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[00:00:02]

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]

THEN I WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, UH, WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

THAT'S A WORK SESSION FOR OCTOBER 20TH, 2020, AND IT IS 6:03 PM.

UH, TONY, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, CALLED RO MR. SHAW, DEAR MS. BAKER HERE, HERE, HERE, MR. LYONS, DEAR MR. HILL HERE.

OK.

UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SEND PRAYERS AND BEST WISHES FOR A FULL RECOVERY TO OUR MAYOR.

JEFF GORE.

I HOPE HE GETS WELL SOON.

THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH,

[2. Approval of Minutes]

UH, ITEM TWO APPROVAL OF MINUTES TO EIGHT.

UH, THE MINUTES ARE FOR OCTOBER 5TH, 2020, UH, ANY DISCUSSION OR CHANGES ON THOSE MINUTES.

OKAY.

NOT SEEING ANY THEN, UH, THE MINUTES WILL STAND AS WRITTEN, UH,

[ City Manager Report]

ITEM THREE, A CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.

MR. SCHOMER.

[00:06:01]

IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING NOW.

NO, NO, NO.

ROB, IT'S JUST BRINGING UP YOUR LIP.

MMM.

ON THE LIVE STREAM, IT'S TINIER A ONE DRIVE IS VERY GO IT'S BEHIND THE ONE DRIVE ERROR MODES.

ROB IS STILL OUT ON THE LIVE STREAMING.

[00:12:06]

ROB.

THAT'S A WONDERFUL CONCEPT THAT, THAT BLENDS, UM, UH, PROJECT BASED LEARNING, WHICH A LOT OF THE SCHOOLS ARE DOING NOW TO ACTUALLY WALK THE HISTORY.

[00:15:05]

YEAH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, ROB.

UH, AND THANK YOU AND, AND JERRY AND EVERYONE INVOLVED IN, IN ALL THE WORK DONE TO GET OUR ACQUISITIONS WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.

AND, UH, AND FOR, UH, VETERANS MEMORIAL, WE'RE REALLY MOVING RIGHT ALONG AND IT SOUNDS WONDERFUL.

UH, ITEM THREE,

[ Disposal of Surplus Property - Fire Division]

BEING A DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS PROPERTY, FIRE DIVISION, UH, CHIEF ASHWORTH.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

I HOPE EVERYBODY'S DOING, UH, HAVING AN ENJOYABLE EVENING.

SO WHAT WE HAVE IS IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, CHIEF NICELY HAD WRITTEN A GRANT TO RECEIVE BRAND NEW STATE OF THE ART AND FPA APPROVED SCBA, WHICH ARE THE BREATHING TANKS THAT WE WERE ON THE BACK OF OUR BACKS AND IN DOING SO THAT MADE THE OTHER EXISTING EQUIPMENT OBSOLETE, WHICH IRONICALLY ENOUGH, WAS WRITTEN BY CHIEF NICELY TO OBTAIN THOSE THROUGH A GRANT AS WELL.

SO THINGS DO TEND TO GO FULL CIRCLE.

UH, SO IT IS, UM, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, IT IS OBSOLETE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT EQUIPMENT THAT WE CANNOT USE THE GRANT IS TO ELIMINATE OR REMOVE THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT.

THEREFORE WE'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND DECLARE IT AS SURPLUS EQUIPMENT.

WE WILL PUT IT ON A GOVERNMENTAL AUCTION SITE AND HOPE TO RECOUP SOME OF THE MONEY EITHER BY A THIRD PARTY OR, UM, ANOTHER CITY THAT IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF SOME SORT OF EQUIPMENT SIMILAR TO THIS.

SO THE ASK WOULD BE TO DECLARED A SURPLUS AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET IT ON THE AUCTION SITE.

AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SEE IF WE CAN RECUPERATE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS.

SO THIS IS STILL USABLE TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY, NOT IN THE UNITED STATES.

THERE'S A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS BUY THESE AND THEY WILL SHIP THEM DOWN TO, UH, OTHER COUNTRIES THAT IS USABLE FOR THEM, BUT OUR STANDARD AND PART OF THE GRANT REPLACED THEM WAS THAT THEY WERE NO LONGER COMPLIANT WITH CURRENT STANDARDS.

SO THAT IS WHY WE WERE ELIMINATING THEM.

AND INSTEAD OF JUST DESTROYING THEM AND THROW THEM AWAY, SOME COLLECTORS WILL BUY THEM.

SOME OTHER THIRD PARTY COMPANIES WILL BUY THEM AND THEN THEY WILL TRY TO THEN SHIP THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOR OTHER NUISANCE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANY COMMENTS? NO.

OKAY.

ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY'S AGENDA? ALL RIGHT.

AND THAT'LL BE ON MONDAY FOR AGENDA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH,

[ 2021 City Employee Health Insurance]

ITEM THREE 2021 CITY EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE.

MS. .

YES.

GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU.

THIS IS OUR ANNUAL LEGISLATION FOR A CITY EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE.

THE CITY CURRENTLY PROVIDES MEDICAL DENTAL, VISION AND LIFE INSURANCE FOR ALL OF OUR ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES ON CITY.

THE RENEWAL FOR HEALTH INSURANCE IS JANUARY 1ST OF 2021.

WE HAVE WORKED WITH OUR INSURANCE AGENT, UM, MARSH MCLENNAN.

THEY REWORKED ON THE RENEWAL PROCESS, WHICH IS NOW COMPLETE.

THEY HAVE PROVIDED US AND RECEIVED A REQUEST, A QUOTE FOR A MEDICAL INSURANCE AT 3.85%, WHICH IS FANTASTIC I'M AND DENTAL AND VISION AND LIFE INSURANCE ARE REMAINING THE SAME.

SO WE WILL SEE JUST THE 3.85% INCREASE FOR 2021.

SO THIS LEGISLATION BEFORE YOU AND STEVE NEED IS TO APPROVE THAT ON MONDAY, IT WOULD BE THE REQUEST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HEALTH INSURANCE SO WE CAN HAVE OPEN ENROLLMENT COME NOVEMBER 1ST, DANNY DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

NOTHING, ANY, UH, ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY'S AGENDA? ALRIGHT.

[ City Staffing Levels/Table of Organization]

ITEM THREE, D COMMITTEE STAFFING LEVELS, TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, UM, WITH NASA.

YES.

THANK YOU.

THIS LEGISLATION AND THE ONE AFTER THIS, THE SALARY RANGES ARE PROBABLY GOING TO KIND OF COMBINE THOSE TWO.

[00:20:01]

UM, I KNOW WE'LL DO THEM SEPARATE, BUT FOR THE INFORMATION I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU TONIGHT, UH, THEY KIND OF GO TOGETHER.

SO THIS IS ANDREW LEGISLATION THAT WE BRING BEFORE COUNCIL TO APPROVE OUR STAFFING LEVELS IN OUR SALARY RANGES.

SO WE HAVE CURRENTLY EVERY THREE YEARS, WE TRY TO REVISE OUR SALARY RANGES.

UM, AND WE LOOK THROUGH OUR JOB DESCRIPTIONS.

SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT, MY GRANT, THE HR GROUP FOR THE CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION STUDY.

SO WE WORK WITH THEM TO, UM, ENSURE OUR POSITIONS AND SALARIES REMAIN COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET TODAY.

SO THEY HAVE OUR CONSULTANTS SOLICITED SALARY DATA FROM COMPARABLE ORGANIZATIONS, AND THEY EXAMINE EACH POSITION THAT WE HAVE AS TO HOW THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF EACH OF THOSE POSITIONS ALIGN WITH US HERE AND HOW THEY COMPARE TO OTHER SIMILAR POSITIONS WITHIN THE MARKET.

THEY LOOKED AT THE EXTERNAL MARKET, COMPARABLE ORGANIZATIONS, UM, INCLUDED THOSE CITIES THAT WE'RE IN DIRECT COMPETITION WITH.

SO IT WOULD BE YOUR KETTERING CENTERVILLE, TROY TIP CITY KIND OF LOCALLY, UM, ANYBODY THAT WE WOULD HAVE COMPETITION WITH, UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT FOR OUR POSITIONS, UM, SOME POSITION TITLES HAVE BEEN CHANGED AND AMENDED.

THEY'RE MINOR CHANGES TO THOSE TITLES AND IT'S JUST THE TITLES ONLY.

IT'S NOT THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION.

SO THE POSITION IS ONLY THE TITLE CHANGE, BUT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES REMAIN THE SAME.

SO THIS WAY WE'RE COMPARABLE TO THOSE IN THE MARKET, AS FAR AS THE JOB DUTIES GO.

SO WHEN YOU SEE THIS LEGISLATION, UM, THE AMENDMENTS, WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM IF YOU'D LIKE, UM, BUT THE TITLES ARE CHANGED AND REFLECTED IN THERE ALSO REFLECTED ON THE TIO.

THAT'S ALSO ATTACHED.

DON'T CHANGE EITHER THE SALARY RANGES WILL BE NEXT.

SO YES, THE SALARY RANGES WILL BE CHANGING.

UM, AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE AND THE NEXT ITEM, OR WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM NOW.

IT'S HOWEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING BEFORE WE GO TO THOSE.

UM, ARE THERE ANY, UH, PROPOSED ADDITIONS TO THE STAFFING? NO.

OKAY.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS? NICELY ON NICE.

HEY, I'M NOT SEEING ANY, UH, THIS RIDE THEM THREE D OR THREE

[ City Salary Ranges and Wage Levels]

E CITY SALARY RANGES AND WAGE LEVELS.

SO THE CONSULTANT HAS TAKEN THOSE COMPARABLES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

UM, AND WE HAVE CREATED, UM, A NEW SCHEDULE.

SO THE SALARY SCHEDULE, AND IT'S CREATED A PAY PHILOSOPHY WITH A DESIRED POSITION OF A 53% ABOVE AVERAGE MARKET COMPENSATION.

SO WE TOOK THE 50% BEING AVERAGE, AND WE'VE ADDED 3% ABOVE THAT.

SO WE'RE CALLING THAT A 53% ABOVE AVERAGE MARKET COMPENSATION.

THIS WILL KEEP THE CITY AT, OR JUST ABOVE THE AVERAGE MARKET TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN STAY COMPETITIVE AND, AND RECRUITING OUR TALENT AND PROVIDE SUPPORT TO RETAIN THE PERSONNEL THAT ARE ALREADY HERE.

SO IN ORDER TO BE COMPETITIVE FOR RETENTION OF, OF EXISTING PERSONNEL AND HOW SUCCESSFUL RECRUITMENT EFFORTS, WE NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE TARGETED COMPARABLE ORGANIZATIONS.

AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS THOUGH WE HAVE DIRECT COMPETITION WITH, UM, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE GREAT TENURE.

SO THEY, IN THEIR STUDY, THEY, THEY IDENTIFIED THE OVERALL.

UM, WE HAVE AN AVERAGE OF TENURE OF 12.8 YEARS, WHICH IS FANTASTIC WHEN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS 6.8.

SO WE ARE KEEPING PEOPLE.

UM, BUT WE ARE SEEING THAT OUR WAGES ARE SLIGHTLY, UM, FALLING A LITTLE BIT BEHIND THE ABOVE AVERAGE, WHICH IS WHERE WE WANT TO BE.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE HIGHEST AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE LOWEST.

WE WANT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPETITIVE OR WE'RE KIND OF IN THAT SPOT.

THAT'S A LITTLE ABOVE AVERAGE.

UM, SO OUR GOAL IS FOR ALL TENURED EMPLOYEES, MAYBE BELOW THE BENCHMARK TO PROGRESS FURTHER INTO THE SCHEDULE OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AND, AND TAKE THEM BEYOND THAT 53% MARKET RATE, UM, FOR PROTECT FOR RETENTION PURPOSES.

SO THE RECOMMENDED SALARY SCHEDULE YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU HAS CHANGED.

UM, WE WILL TAKE THOSE THAT WILL BE AFFECTED WITH THE MINIMUMS. WE WILL TAKE THOSE AND MOVE THEM TO THE MINIMUMS, UM, WHICH IS VERY MINIMAL.

AND THEN THIS ACTUAL RANGE WILL HELP WITH COMPRESSION ISSUES IN PLACE, BETTER SEPARATION BETWEEN THE RANKS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS HERE, MRS. KNIFE LIKE THAT? MR. SHAWL, MR. SHAW.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, UM, IT'S NICELY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS QUESTION IS FOR YOU OR MORE FOR, UM, FOR MR. SCHOMER.

I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSION TOPIC LATER ON THIS EVENING, UM, WITH THESE PROPOSED CHANGES, WHAT DOES THIS DO? UM, UH, WHAT KIND OF PERCENTAGE CHANGE DOES THE MINIMUM HAVE, UH, WHEN IT COMES

[00:25:01]

TO OUR CITY BUDGET? I HAVE DISCUSSED THAT WITH, UM, MR. AND IT'S, IT'S LITERALLY, I BELIEVE A 0.2%, I BELIEVE IS WHAT HE MENTIONED.

SO IT'S VERY MINIMAL TO OUR BUDGET FOR 2021.

OKAY.

IN ONE THING, ONE THING.

OKAY.

YEAH.

PLEASE USE YOUR HANDS.

IF YOU SEE ONE THERE, ANY OBJECTIONS BY ME, GO AHEAD.

UM, REGARDING, UH, AND I'M SPEAKING IN THIS NOW BECAUSE OF THE DESK MIC, UH, SHORTED OUT ON US AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THOSE WIRELESS THINGS.

THAT'S WHY I COULDN'T BE HEARD ON THE LIVESTREAM IT STARTED, BUT THEN IT CUT OUT.

SO I'LL USE THE KARAOKE MIC HERE FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT.

SO, UH, IF I BREAK OUT INTO TUNE, WELL, IT'S GOT TO DEAL WITH IT.

UH, NOW REGARDING THE, UH, THE SALARY CHANGES, UH, EVEN THOUGH THAT THE, UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RANGES, IT DOES NOT AFFECT MOST OF OUR PERSONNEL ARE ALREADY INTO THE MID RANGE.

SO THE ACTUAL FISCAL EFFECT OF THE CHANGE IN SOME OF THE LOW POINTS OF OUR STARTING ENTRIES, OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE ALREADY SURPASSED THAT.

SO IT WOULD AFFECT POTENTIALLY FUTURE HIRES, UH, BUT FOR OUR BUDGET FROM THIS YEAR TO NEXT YEAR, COMPARING WHAT WE'RE DOING IN PERSONNEL EXPENSES, UH, VERY NOMINAL, UH, VERY MINIMAL.

UH, WHAT IT DOES IS IT JUST MAKES ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE RECOMMENDED RANGES AND STRUCTURE OF THEM.

SO IT'S NOT A, UM, OVERALL INCREASE OF EVERYBODY'S CURRENT SALARY POSITIONS THAT STILL IS COVERED THROUGH THE STANDARD, UH, MERIT AND STANDARD, UH, ANNUAL INCREASE THAT WOULD BE CALCULATED, UH, IN, IN DISCUSSED AND PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED ON.

SO IT DOESN'T COMPOUND ON TOP OF THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

IT DOES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, ROB, ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY AGENDA, UH,

[ Part One - Administrative Code - Huber Heights Codified Ordinances - Changes]

ITEM THREE F PART ONE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE HUBER HEIGHTS CODAFIDE ORDINANCE CHANGES NICELY.

YES.

THANK YOU.

SO, IN REGARD TO WHAT WE WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT, YOU WILL SEE CHANGES TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE.

UM, PART ONE.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DIVISION OF PLANNING, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING WILL NOW INCLUDE THE DIVISION OF BUILDING.

THE DIVISION OF BUILDING WAS, IS CURRENTLY UNDER DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND REVIEWING ALL THE DOCUMENTS WE FEEL AS THOUGH THE DIVISION OF BUILDING WOULD FIT BETTER UNDERNEATH THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING.

SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING THAT OUT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, INTO THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING.

AND THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND SECTION TWO, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE DIVISION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT OUT, AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING THAT UNDER WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT SECTION.

UM, MOVING THAT UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SERVICES, JUST ACTUALLY REFLECTED, REFLECTED IN OUR, UM, CHARTER.

SO WE'RE PUTTING THAT TO WHERE IT'LL STILL BE UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SERVICES BY THE DIRECTOR.

SO THOSE TWO WILL BE DELETIONS AND JUST MOVE TO A DIFFERENT SECTION.

SECTION THREE DIVISION OF PARKS IS REALLY JUST A HOUSEKEEPING ISSUE.

THE DIVISION OF PARKS WILL BE MANAGED BY, IT SAYS CURRENTLY PARKS AND RECREATION MANAGER IT'S THAT WOULD BE JOSH KING, WHICH IS TITLE IS PARKS MANAGER, NOT PARKS AND RECREATION MANAGER.

SO THAT'S JUST HOUSEKEEPING.

AND AGAIN, WITH THE SENIOR CENTER DIVISION, UM, IT SAYS MANAGED BY THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES.

WE ARE CHANGING THAT TO PARKS MANAGER IN SECTION FOUR.

THIS SECTION MUST'VE BEEN JUST MISSED DURING THE LAST REVISION OF THE, UM, MINISTRATIVE CODE.

SO THIS SECTION DIVISION OF PARKS AND RECREATION WAS ACTUALLY CREATING JUST THE DIVISION OF PARKS.

SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING DELETION OF THIS SECTION ONCE IT'D BE 9.03, BECAUSE WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT POSITION.

FIRST OF ALL, COMMUNITY SERVICES AND SPECIAL PROJECT MANAGER.

AND NOW IT'S JUST A DIVISION OF PARKS AND THAT'S WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES.

AND THEN I'M REPLACING THAT DELETION WITH THE DIVISION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, IF THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE, ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE.

OKAY.

I'M NOT SEEING ANY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY'S AGENDA.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, NANCY, IN AN ORDINANCE.

UM, WELL, KATIE, DO WE NEED TO WAIT READING OR WITHOUT, UH, GO TO TWO READINGS? UM, I BELIEVE IT DID GO TO RATINGS.

OKAY.

YEAH, WE, WE WOULD JUST NEED THAT, UM, PAST, PRIOR TO JANUARY 1ST,

[00:30:01]

SO WE SHOULD HAVE TIME TO, TO GET THAT DONE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

MRS. BERG.

YES.

UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO WRAP UP, UH, IN, IN FOLLOWUP AND THINK KATIE AND, UM, AND ALSO BRIAN AND ALSO OUR, UH, OUR GROUP THAT WE HIRED AS HIS COUNCIL RECALLS, WE FUNDED IN THE CAPITOL, UH, FOR THIS YEAR OF STUDY AND THE STUDY HAS GONE ON FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS.

SO WHAT YOU JUST HEARD WAS A COMBINATION OF THAT.

UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DID A WHOLE LOT OF WORK FOR NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SUGGESTIONS, UH, BUT A LOT OF WORK WAS DONE TO CONFIRM BASICALLY WHERE WE ARE ORGANIZATIONALLY.

AND I THINK A LOT OF THE ADVANCEMENTS AND A LOT OF THE, UM, ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRED, UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE KATIE'S BEEN ON BOARD, I WANT TO THANK AND APPRECIATE HER BECAUSE CONSULTANTS COMPARING US TO OTHER NATIONAL TYPE OF MODELS REALLY SHOWED THAT THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT THAT NEEDED ANY MAJOR CHANGES.

THERE WEREN'T ANY MAJOR ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURAL CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED, UH, THAT WE TRULY ARE UTILIZING OUR PERSONNEL RESOURCES, UH, IN THE, UH, IN THE BEST, BEST, POSSIBLE WAYS.

AND, UM, AND MAKING MOST BEST USE OUT OF, UH, OUT OF THE PERSONNEL RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.

SO, UH, ALTHOUGH THERE WAS NO LONG, UH, MULTI-PHASE APPROACH TO, UH, TO IMPLEMENT THE, UH, PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT STUDY.

UH, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT BODES WELL ON HOW WELL ORGANIZED, UH, THAT, THAT THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE OF THE CITY IS CONSIDERING THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.

SO, UH, I'M REAL PROUD OF THAT FACT.

AND, UH, AND I THINK EVERYONE HERE SHOULD, SHOULD ALSO, SO I APPRECIATE KATIE TAKING ON IN MANAGING THAT PROCESS, UH, ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GONE ON OVER MULTIPLE MONTHS.

SO, UM, BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE, BUT IT'S JUST NOT REALLY EVIDENT IN A VERY BRIEF, MINOR, A MINOR ASK FOR CHANGE.

SO, UH, SO JOB WELL DONE.

I APPRECIATE IT.

YEP.

THANK YOU.

AND, AND I LIKED THE EMPHASIS ON KEEPING US COMPETITIVE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME FOCUSING ON RETENTION BECAUSE WE HAVE SUPER, SUPER PINK BOW HAIR AND I'D HATE TO SEE THEM LEAVE.

ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM, UH,

[ OPWC Grant Application - Mardi Gras Water Main Replacement Project]

IS THE OPEN WPP GRANT APPLICATION, THE MARDI GRAS WATERMELON REPLACEMENT PROJECT, UH, MR. BERMAN, UM, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU STARTED ON THAT REAL QUICK, UM, MR. MCDONALD HAD TO LEAVE TO A FAMILY EMERGENCY, UH, UM, HE JUST SENT ME THAT MESSAGE AND I SAW HIM TRY TO POP UP.

SO, UH, UM, JUST PASS IT ON, UH, YES, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

UM, THIS LEGISLATION HERE IS FOR APPROVAL OF SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION FOR A OPWC, WHICH IS THE, HOW PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION, UH, USED TO BE ISSUED TO FUNDING.

UH, THIS IS YEARLY APPLICATION PROCESS, WHICH, AND IT'S DUE IN TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.

UH, THE APPLICATION FOR THIS YEAR IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WATER MAIN ON MARDI GRAS DRIVE, ALONG WITH PARISH COURT AND A PORTION OF CHARLES GATE ROAD.

UH, THERE WAS A MAP I THINK, ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET.

UM, THIS AREA HAS HAD A NUMEROUS WATER MAIN BREAKS IN THE PAST YEAR, AND MOST OF IT CAME AFTER THE WATER PRESSURE PROJECT.

UM, WHAT THEY FOUND WAS THERE WAS A LOT OF AREAS OF DETERIORATED, UH, PIPE POLES THAT THEY FIXED FOR THE RE FOR THE BRAKES.

AND, UH, SO WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE THIS AREA ALONG WITH THE MAIN, IT'D BE FIRE HYDRANTS AND WATER BOWELS.

AND, UH, WE'D ALSO, UH, ANY OF THE ROADS THAT ARE AFFECTED WILL BE MILLED AND REPAVED AFTER WE'RE FINISHED.

UH, THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE PROJECT IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 400,000 AND WE'LL BE REQUESTING OR ASKING FOR ABOUT 50% OF THAT.

AND THE COST OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE OUT OF THE WATER FUND.

AND IF IT GETS FUNDED WITH CONSTRUCTION WOULD PROBABLY BE THE END OF NEXT YEAR OR POSSIBLY THE BEGINNING OF 2022.

SO ANY GOOD, ANY QUESTIONS I CAN TAKE ON THAT? WHEN ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GET AN ANSWER ON THE, THE GRANT APPLICATION? USUALLY IT COMES WELL THIS YEAR IT'S LATE.

THE APPLICATION USED TO BE DUE IN AUGUST.

NOW IT'S OCTOBER, IT'S LIKE TWO MONTHS BEHIND AND USUALLY WE GET AN ANSWER IN DECEMBER.

SO I'M ASSUMING IT'LL BE JANUARY OR FEBRUARY BEFORE WE GET AN ANSWER.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? KAY.

SO WE'LL PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY.

YAY.

[ City Water System Discussion]

ITEM THREE H CITY WATER SYSTEM DISCUSSION.

MR. BERKMAN, UH, I'LL START OFF REAL QUICK.

UM, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO TAG RIGHT ALONG WITH THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, UH, AS PART OF THE WATER

[00:35:01]

SYSTEM DISCUSSION IS THE, A SERIES OF MAIN BREAKS THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED THUS FAR THIS YEAR.

UH, MR. BERKMAN HAS BEEN PUTTING TOGETHER A PROJECT, UH, TO HAVE A, UH, ALIGNING PUT IN THE EXISTING WATER MAINS, WHICH WOULD BE QUICKER AND MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE.

SO IF SOMEONE WERE WONDERING WHY WE AREN'T FOCUSING ON THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED FOR THE MARDI GRAS CHARLES GATE AREA INTO THE AREA OF HARSHMAN VILLE, BASCOM, UH, CLAY BECK, UH, AREA THERE IT'S BECAUSE, UM, IT'S A TIMELINESS THING.

THE, THE COST OF BEING ABLE TO POTENTIALLY LINE, UH, THE PROBLEM AREAS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UH, WILL BE MUCH QUICKER.

WE COULD DO THAT AS EARLY AS THIS SPRING, AS OPPOSED TO WAITING TILL END OF NEXT SEASON FOR POTENTIAL CONSTRUCTION.

AND, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, TO HANDLE TWO AREAS OF CONCERN, UH, RATHER THAN ONE.

SO, UM, MR. BERGMAN, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT.

WE'RE HOPEFUL TO BRING A PROJECT FOR THEM, UH, VERY SOON, UH, TO, UH, TO PUT OUT TO BID.

I'D ALSO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL FUNDING TO LINE THE AREAS THAT WE SEEM TO HAVE SOME CONTINUED ISSUES WITH WATER MAIN BREAKS ON.

SO, UH, WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT.

UH, THE NEXT, UH, ITEM, UH, REGARDING OUR WATER SYSTEM WAS REGARDING A FOLLOWUP DISCUSSION FOR THE NEED MORE WATER OR NEED MORE ROAD, WATER PLANT.

UM, WE WENT THROUGH AND WE DID SOME IN HOUSE ANALYSIS AND ALSO REFER BACK TO SOME OF THE REPORTS PROVIDED BY THE EXPERTS IN OUR CONSULTANTS.

UH, AND CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE EXPERTS INVOLVED IS SUEZ SINCE THEY'VE MANAGED AND MAINTAINED THAT PLANT.

UM, SINCE WE TOOK IT OVER AS A, AS A CITY, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF SCENARIOS THAT WE'LL START OFF FIRST.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF SCENARIOS THAT WOULD, THAT COULD OCCUR THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO NEED A BACKUP RESOURCE.

UM, IF WE DID NOT HAVE THE INTERCONNECT OR A BACKUP RESOURCE, UH, THE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN IS THIS, IF TWO WELLS GO DOWN AT THE SAME TIME, UH, IF TWO OF OUR WELLS ON RIP RAP GO DOWN AT THE SAME TIME, THEN THAT COULD CAUSE AN ISSUE OF PRODUCTION.

AND WE WOULD THEN BE TAKING SUPPLIES FROM THE WATER TANKS.

AND AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THOSE WELLS BEING DOWN, IT COULD CREATE AN ISSUE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A SHORTAGE.

UH, THE OTHER WOULD BE IS A HIGH SERVICE PUMPS.

IF TWO OF THE HIGH SERVICE PUMPS GO DOWN AT THE SAME TIME, THAT WOULD BASICALLY CREATE THE SAME ISSUE.

ANOTHER SCENARIO WOULD BE A WATER MAIN BREAK AND THE WATER MAIN COMING OUT OF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS THE SOURCE OF WATER INTO THE SYSTEM.

AND IF THERE IS A FAILURE THERE THAT WOULD ALSO CAUSE, CAUSE THAT KNEE, UH, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THOSE OCCURRING, UH, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD OCCUR UNDER A NATURAL DISASTER OR CERTAIN MAJOR DEFICIENCY THAT WOULD OCCUR.

UH, SO, SO CONSIDERING THAT IF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, WHAT WOULD GO, UH, WOULD GO DOWN AND WOULD NEED TO HAVE A BACKUP, UH, WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITEMS FOR OUR DISCUSSION.

ONE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL NEW WATER TOWER.

IT PROVIDES ABOUT ADDITIONAL SIX HOURS OF WATER BACKUP.

SO, UH, PUTTING IN A LARGE TANK WOULD, UM, WOULD PROVIDE US ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL SIX HOURS.

UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AT A COST OF ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION, UH, ADDITIONAL NEW WELL, UH, REGARDLESS OF OUR DECISIONS, AS WE MENTIONED LAST WEEK, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO LOOK INTO DOING, UH, IN THE FUTURE REGARDLESS AND RELATIVELY SOON, IT WAS PART OF OUR MASTER IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE TO BEGIN WITH, BUT ADDING ONE SOONER THAN LATER RIGHT NOW, UH, THAT WOULD PROVIDE A NECESSARY IF THE CALL, IF TWO OF THOSE WELLS WERE TO GO DOWN SIMULTANEOUSLY, DO NEW EVENT OR MAINTENANCE RELATED ISSUE OR SOMETHING, THEREABOUTS THE COST.

SO THAT'S ABOUT A MILLION, UM, PLUS, UH, AN ADDITIONAL HIGH SERVICE PUMP WOULD ALSO BE NEEDED AT THAT TIME, UH, TO CONTRIBUTE TO, UM, THE ADDITIONAL WELL, UH, THE ADDITIONAL, UM, PROCESSING THE WATER, AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL CONTINGENCY.

UM, HIGH SURFACE PUMP ROOM DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO INSTALL ANOTHER ONE.

AND WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME STRUCTURAL CHANGES IN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING, UH, TO DO THAT AS WELL.

UM, AND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT COST WOULD HAVE TO BE ESTIMATED, BUT THAT CERTAINLY WOULD OUTWEIGH THE COST OF WHAT THE CURRENT INTERNET IN INTERCONNECT COST WOULD BE.

UM, IF THE, UH, IF THE SOFTENING, UH, PART OF THE PLANT GOES DOWN, THE PLANT CAN STILL RUN.

UM, IF THEY, UH, IF THEIR BAR, IF THEY'RE BYPASSED, UM, BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'D BE PUMPING HARD WATER INTO THE SYSTEM.

AND THAT COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS THAT WERE, THAT WERE NOT AWARE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY, UH, OTHER ITEMS CONCERNING THE INTERCONNECTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE, UM, WITH THE DATE AND INTERCONNECT THAT WE'VE TITLED IT.

UM, ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A SECONDARY SOURCE OF WATER INTO OUR WATER SYSTEM, IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED BY EPA.

UH, AND IN FACT, UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, EPA

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IS LOOKING AND COULD MAKE THIS REQUIREMENT, UH, IN THE FUTURE, UM, IF A SUPPLEMENTAL SYSTEM IS NEARBY.

SO THAT WAS PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS AS WELL.

UH, THE INTERCONNECT PROJECT WAS ESTIMATED LAST YEAR, IT'D BE 800 TO A MILLION IN THE CIP BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED AND PASSED BY COUNCIL.

WE HAD IT LISTED AT 1.5 BASED ON SOME EXISTING, UM, INCREASED AS TO THE DESIGN CAUSE WE WERE THAT MUCH FURTHER ALONG IN THE DESIGN OF IT, UH, IN AN ADDING IN THE $250,000, UH, FOR THE ESTIMATE FOR DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING PLANT, UH, THAT ALSO ADDED AND CONTRIBUTED TO THAT AND BROUGHT IT UP TO THE, UM, ABOUT THE $1.8 MILLION MARK.

SO BASICALLY IN OUR ANALYSIS AND REVIEW OF THAT, UH, WE CERTAINLY LIKE THE IDEA OF ADDING ADDITIONAL CONTINGENCIES TO OUR OWN SYSTEM.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE FOCUS ON AND CONTINUE TO DO, UH, AS WE INDICATED, UH, HOWEVER, THE INTERCONNECT IT CAN BE THOUGHT OF AS AN INSURANCE POLICY AND IT WOULD PROVIDE THE IMMEDIATE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE WATER INTO THE SYSTEM, SHOULD SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC HAPPEN.

UH, IF WE CHOOSE TO UTILIZE, UM, AVAILABLE FUNDS IN AND, UH, DIFFER FROM THE INTERCONNECT AT THIS TIME, THAT CERTAINLY IS A, IS A DECISION WOULD BE A RISK THAT NEEDS TO BE MANAGED AND CALCULATED WITHIN, UM, THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, AND BARRING A EVENT THAT WOULD CAUSE THE LOSS OF TWO PUMPS OR TWO HIGH SERVICE, TWO HIGH SERVICE PUMPS, OR TWO WELLS SIMULTANEOUSLY, OR A WATER MAIN BREAK.

UH, WE WOULD BE OKAY.

UM, BUT WE WOULD NOT HAVE THAT INSURANCE POLICY.

SO, UM, IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER INSURANCE POLICY.

YOU PROBABLY PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR IT THAN WHAT YOU GET OUT OF IT.

UM, UNLESS YOU RECKLESS, I GUESS THEN, UM, THEN MAYBE IT, IT PAYS OFF, BUT THEN YOUR RATES GO UP.

UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR RECOMMENDATION STILL STANDS THAT, UH, WE FEEL IN EVALUATING ALL POSSIBLE METHODS, UM, KEEPING IN ADVANCED COMPLIANCE TO EPA RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE DO HAVE THAT BACKUP RESOURCE AVAILABLE.

UH, IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE SEE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR EXISTING WATER, WATER SYSTEM AND WATER, UM, UH, PRODUCTION PLANT AND THE GROWTH OF THE CITY, HAVING THE ABILITY OF THAT INTERCONNECT, UH, SEEMS TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE STILL, UH, AT LEAST TO US FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.

SO, UH, WE, WE, WE PASS THAT ON AS A MATTER OF A POLICY DECISION FROM COUNCIL IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE, AND WHAT TYPE OF GUARANTEES WE CAN PUT IN PLACE AND, OR WHAT CONTINUED INVESTMENTS WE NEED TO MAKE INTO THE, UH, TO THE WATER SYSTEM.

NANCY.

YES.

ROB COULDN'T STAFF PROVIDE COUNCIL, THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WE ENTER INTO WITH THE CITY OF DAYTON.

YES.

THERE IS A, A DRAFT AND IT'S STILL UNDER, UH, UNDER DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN RUSS.

DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT DRAFT STILL? YES, I DO.

I GET THAT TOO? YES.

AND DOES IT SPEAK TO, UH, A LIMITED AMOUNT OF GALLONS THAT WE WOULD PUMP TO DAYTON AT ANY GIVEN TIME? I DO NOT THINK SO.

UH, WE, WE CAN ONLY SUPPLY THEM WITH ROUGHLY TWO TO 3 MILLION AT THE MOST BECAUSE OF THE CAPACITY OF OUR PLANT.

SO THAT WOULD BE IN, WITHIN THE AGREEMENT AT THE TIME, AND THEY WE'VE ALREADY TOLD THEM THAT, BUT IT'S NOT IN AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW.

WE STILL HAVE TO FINALIZE THE AGREEMENT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET FROM THEM.

WE WERE TOLD FOUR TO 5 MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED FOR A DAY.

UH, SO LIKE I SAID, WE'LL WORK, WE'LL FINALIZE THAT AGREEMENT AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT'S IN THERE.

OKAY.

AND, AND WHAT WOULD BE IN THERE? WELL, I MEAN, WE WOULD PUT IN, THERE WOULD BE A MAKING SURE THAT THE EXPECTATION OF GALLONS, IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE WERE HAVING TO SUPPLY THEM WATER, UH, WE WOULD HAVE A LIMITATION ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER BEING ABLE TO BE, UH, BYPASSED AND PUT THROUGH THAT SYSTEM PER DAY.

UH, IT'S METERED, UH, THERE WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY A, UH, A PAYMENT FOR THAT WATER, UH, AND SAME WAY COMING TO US AS WELL.

THERE WOULD BE A, UM, JUST BY DESIGN OF THE SIZE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A LIMITATION ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER COMING THROUGH.

UM, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T PUT OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE IF WE ARE SUPPLYING WATER OUT, THAT WE AREN'T SURGING OUR OWN SYSTEM AND CREATING A, UM, UH, A DIMINISHED LEVEL OF SERVICE TO, TO OUR, OUR RESIDENTS IN OUR WATER SYSTEM AS WELL.

SO THE CALCULATIONS OF THAT, UH, ARE ONGOING AND THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE FINAL THINGS THAT'S BEING DONE IN FINAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE,

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UH, OF THE DRAFT AGREEMENT.

AND I REMEMBER ROB, UH, SOMETHING THAT MR. SHAW BROUGHT UP LAST WEEK, UH, IN REGARD TO THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING DATA, SHOULD THEIR SYSTEM BE LESS THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT? UH, DO WE REMEMBER WHEN THE WATER LINE MAIN WAS EXTENDED INTO MIAMI COUNTY WITHOUT US KNOWING WHEN WE WERE ACQUIRING THE WATER UTILITY? I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

YEAH.

AND, AND, AND I THINK THEY EXTENDED THE WATER UTILITY, THE WATER MAIN INTO MIAMI COUNTY UP TO GIBSON DRIVE.

AND WHEN WE WENT TO COURT TO TRY TO GET THAT SHUT OFF, THEY WOULD NOT LET US SHUT THE WATER OFF SO THAT SOME CASE LAW THAT WE COULD LOOK AT, BUT I AM CONCERNED LIKE MR. SHAW WAS IN REGARDS TO US, HOOKING UP TO THE CITY OF DAYTON AND NEEDING TO PROVIDE THEM WATER.

AND I WOULD HATE FOR THEIR SYSTEM TO GO DOWN AND BECAUSE OF AN AGREEMENT THAT WE ENTERED INTO, UM, WE COULDN'T PROVIDE THE NECESSARY WATER BASED ON SOME CATASTROPHE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE A COPY OF THE DRAFT PROPOSAL, AND I'D ALSO LIKE US TO BE KEPT UP TO DATE REAL TIME ON ANY OF THE CHANGES OR PROPOSALS, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT, UH, WE'RE HEADED INTO A SITUATION THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO INVOLVE SOME EXPERTS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR LIABILITY IS AND RISK IS MEASURED AND MAINTAINED.

UM, ROB, DO WE KNOW? OH, WHOSE HAND IS THAT? DON RICHARD CHOCOLATE.

OH, THANK YOU.

UM, SO, UM, TO KIND OF CONTINUE ON, UH, UH, MR. CAMPBELL'S, UH, CONVERSATION, UM, WITH THE, UM, WATER QUALITY AND EFFORTS OF THE CITY OF DAYTON, UH, WITH THEIR MIAMI AND OTTAWA PLANTS, UM, I STILL HAVE A VERY STRONG OBJECTION TO ANY TYPE OF INTERCONNECT WITH THEM.

UM, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE SERVICE OF THAT WILL PROVIDE TO THEM AND THE QUALITY OF WATER, BUT VICE VERSA.

UM, I THINK THERE WAS A REPORT DONE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO BY THE EPA AND EVEN REGIONALLY, UM, UH, WITH THE WATER QUALITY THAT, UH, THE CITY OF DAYTON HAS WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE, NOT ONLY WITH THE WATER SOFTENING AND THE MEMBRANE USAGE AS WELL.

UM, MY CONCERN IS IF THAT GOES INTO OUR PIPES, EVEN FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME, WHAT KIND OF, WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE WILL THAT DO TO US? WE'RE KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES.

COULD THAT CAUSE, UM, NUMBER TWO, UM, ROB, I, I THINK WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK THE TERM YOU USED WAS NATURAL DISASTER.

IF, UH, IF ONE OF THOSE THINGS WAS TO HAPPEN TO OUR WATER PLANT, IN MY OPINION, IF A NATURAL DISASTER WAS TO OCCUR AND THAT, AND THAT SITUATION, THAT CAKES INTO A WHOLE DIFFERENT AVENUE OF FUNDING AVAILABLE TO GET US BACK TO UP AND GOING WITHIN THE STATE OF OHIO FEMA, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO THERE ARE THOSE KIND OF, I GUESS, ONE, ONE TYPE SITUATIONAL FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE STATE AND FEDERALLY THAT WE COULD TAP INTO.

IF THAT ONE TIME SITUATION THING COULD OCCUR.

NUMBER TWO, OR NUMBER THREE, I THINK I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE US REACH OUT FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR ON A STATE BUDGET REQUEST TO OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO NOT ONLY IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR WATER SYSTEM OR IF A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD ON THIS WATER INTERCONNECT.

UM, AND TO MR. CAMPBELL'S POINT.

UM, THE LAST THING I WANT US TO DO NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE I THINK OUR STAFF IS VERY COMPETENT, BUT TO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH CYA IS THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS TURN INTO A FLINT MICHIGAN, WHERE WE CHANGE OUR WATER SOURCE OR DO A WATER CHANGE AND NOT HAVE ALL THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE ANSWERED COMPLETELY WITH THE PROS AND CONS OF WHAT COULD AND COULD NOT HAPPEN.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THE COST IS A BIG THING FOR ME, UM, BUT ALSO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND TIME THAT WE PUT INTO UPGRADES AND INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS FOR RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, GOOD.

I SEE ANOTHER HAND.

YEAH.

I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, JUMP IN KIND OF, UH, ALONG THE SAME VEIN AS RICHARD WAS TALKING ABOUT, BUT, UH, MY BIG CONCERN IS THAT IF WE'RE

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LOOKING AT OUR, OUR BIGGEST POTENTIAL ISSUES, UM, BEING PREDICATED PRIMARILY ON SOME TYPE OF NATURAL DISASTER, UM, I, I THINK HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT DAYTON IS AFFECTED BY NATURAL DISASTER AS MUCH MORE THAN WE HAVE BEEN.

UH, I'M I, MY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES THAT WE NEED SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE BECAUSE THERE'LL BE IN THE SAME OR WORSE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN.

AND PERSONALLY, I PREFER TO OUR OWN SYSTEM AND WORK ON, UM, CREATING A MORE MODERN VERSION OF OUR BACKUP, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, UH, ROB, UH, MAY HAVE WEIGHED DETERMINED WITH THE GROWTH OF OUR CITY AT WHAT POINT WE WOULD, UH, IT WOULD BE ADVISABLE TO GET IT, UH, TO, UH, GET ANOTHER WELL OR, UM, BUILD ANOTHER, UM, WATER TOWER.

YES, WE, UH, WE HAVE THOSE PLANS WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO BEGIN LOOKING AT AN ADDITIONAL WELL, UH, FOR PRODUCTION DOWN AT THE PLANT, UH, RELATIVELY SOON, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S SOMEWHAT, I GUESS, SUBJECTIVE, UM, SOON MEETING WITHIN THE NEXT, UH, YOU KNOW, NEXT COUPLE YEARS, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT DOING THAT SOONER, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY WOULD, WOULD LOOK AT DOING THAT SOONER.

WE JUST BROUGHT A NEW WELL ONLINE, UH, AS PART OF THE, UM, THE SOFTENING, UH, THAT WELL IS PRODUCING VERY WELL, UH, EXCEEDING EXPECTATIONS.

THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF WATER, UH, BEING PULLED OUT OF THE WELLS IN, IN, IN UNISON IS, UM, IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE.

UM, BUT FOR THAT FUTURE USAGE, DEMAND AND EXPANSION, UH, AS WE CONTINUE TO ADD HOMES AND BUSINESSES, ET CETERA, IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO BE PREPARED FOR.

UM, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT DRAWING THE MINIMUM.

WE WANT IT TO HAVE, UH, PLENTY OF SURPLUS AND EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

DO I SEE SOMEONE ELSE'S HAND UP VICE MAYOR? THIS IS ED LYON.

THANK YOU.

UH, ROB, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.

UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR AS WELL AS, UH, THE NECESSARY APPLICATION TO, UH, PROTECTING OUR CITY, OUR CITY'S WATER SOURCE AND THE REDUNDANCIES, UH, THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING.

UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE INTERCONNECT WITH DAYTON IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST OVERALL.

I DO THINK THAT, UH, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO PROTECT OURSELVES IN THAT AGREEMENT.

AND I'M SURE YOU AND, AND RUSS SPOKE TO THIS AS WELL, UH, THAT THAT WILL BE DONE.

UH, BUT WE JUST WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT.

UH, I CAN SEE, UM, OUR PLAN IN THE FUTURE WHERE WE ACTUALLY DO ALL THREE.

WE HAVE THE INTERCONNECT WITH DAYTON.

WE HAVE A, AN ADDITIONAL WELL OR YOU'RE DRILLED AND, UH, FOR CAPACITY OR CAPACITY.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WATER TOWER, UH, THE WATER SUPPLY, UH, TO MR. SHAW'S COM COMMENT.

UH, WE DON'T WANT TO END UP LIKE A FLINT, MICHIGAN, AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS NECESSARILY GOING TO TAKE US THERE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE REDUNDANCIES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR WATER SYSTEM AND OUR WATER, UH, DISTRIBUTION, UM, ONLY MAKES US STRONGER.

UH, THAT IS THE HUGE PROJECT THAT, UH, PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAD HAD THE FORESIGHT TO PURCHASE OUR OWN DEPARTMENT.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND INCREASE, UH, THROUGH THE REDUNDANCIES AND MAKE STRONGER.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ROB.

I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT NANCY.

YES.

ROB SCHOMER.

YES.

IN REGARD TO ALL OF THESE IDEAS THAT ED JUST BROUGHT UP REITERATED BASED ON YEARS AND RAICES COMMENTS THAT WOULD ADD UP TO ABOUT FIVE, SIX, 7 MILLION, CORRECT.

IF WE DID A WATER TOWER AND EXTRA WELL, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THE INTERCONNECT.

YEAH.

I, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK YOU JUMP UP TO THAT AREA FOR ALL THOSE.

SURE.

SO, OKAY.

YOU REMIND ME WHAT REFURBING THAT PLANT THE NEED MORE ROAD PLANT WOULD COST.

IT COSTS ABOUT THE SAME, BUT THE ISSUE WAS IT STILL WAS PROVIDING HARD WATER.

SO THAT WAS THE ISSUE.

UH, THE, THE MAIN ISSUE WITH THAT PLANT WAS FINDING A WAY TO EITHER PUT SOFTENING

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IN THERE OR HAVING TO INSTALL A MAINLINE FROM THAT PLANT ALL THE WAY TO THE, UM, RIP RAP PLANT, UM, IN ORDER TO, UH, TO HAVE THE SAME CHEMISTRY OF WATER GOING TO THE SYSTEM.

SO THAT WOULD HAVE A COST THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA TO ESTIMATE AT THIS TIME WE WOULD, UM, WELL WE SAW HOW MUCH THE SOFTENING COST AT THE ONE PLANT, SO THAT PLANT WOULD BE A LITTLE