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          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          [1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
THEN I WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, UH, WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          THAT'S A WORK SESSION FOR OCTOBER 20TH, 2020, AND IT IS 6:03 PM. 
          UH, TONY, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, CALLED RO MR. SHAW, DEAR MS. BAKER HERE, HERE, HERE, MR. LYONS, DEAR MR. HILL HERE. 
          OK. 
          UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SEND PRAYERS AND BEST WISHES FOR A FULL RECOVERY TO OUR MAYOR. 
          JEFF GORE. 
          I HOPE HE GETS WELL SOON. 
          THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, 
          [2. Approval of Minutes]
UH, ITEM TWO APPROVAL OF MINUTES TO EIGHT. 
          UH, THE MINUTES ARE FOR OCTOBER 5TH, 2020, UH, ANY DISCUSSION OR CHANGES ON THOSE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT SEEING ANY THEN, UH, THE MINUTES WILL STAND AS WRITTEN, UH, 
          [ City Manager Report]
ITEM THREE, A CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. 
          MR. SCHOMER. 
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IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING NOW. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          ROB, IT'S JUST BRINGING UP YOUR LIP. 
          MMM. 
          ON THE LIVE STREAM, IT'S TINIER A ONE DRIVE IS VERY GO IT'S BEHIND THE ONE DRIVE ERROR MODES. 
          ROB IS STILL OUT ON THE LIVE STREAMING. 
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ROB. 
          THAT'S A WONDERFUL CONCEPT THAT, THAT BLENDS, UM, UH, PROJECT BASED LEARNING, WHICH A LOT OF THE SCHOOLS ARE DOING NOW TO ACTUALLY WALK THE HISTORY. 
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YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, ROB. 
          UH, AND THANK YOU AND, AND JERRY AND EVERYONE INVOLVED IN, IN ALL THE WORK DONE TO GET OUR ACQUISITIONS WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND, UH, AND FOR, UH, VETERANS MEMORIAL, WE'RE REALLY MOVING RIGHT ALONG AND IT SOUNDS WONDERFUL. 
          UH, ITEM THREE, 
          [  Disposal of Surplus Property - Fire Division]
BEING A DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS PROPERTY, FIRE DIVISION, UH, CHIEF ASHWORTH. 
          GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. 
          I HOPE EVERYBODY'S DOING, UH, HAVING AN ENJOYABLE EVENING. 
          SO WHAT WE HAVE IS IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, CHIEF NICELY HAD WRITTEN A GRANT TO RECEIVE BRAND NEW STATE OF THE ART AND FPA APPROVED SCBA, WHICH ARE THE BREATHING TANKS THAT WE WERE ON THE BACK OF OUR BACKS AND IN DOING SO THAT MADE THE OTHER EXISTING EQUIPMENT OBSOLETE, WHICH IRONICALLY ENOUGH, WAS WRITTEN BY CHIEF NICELY TO OBTAIN THOSE THROUGH A GRANT AS WELL. 
          SO THINGS DO TEND TO GO FULL CIRCLE. 
          UH, SO IT IS, UM, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, IT IS OBSOLETE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT EQUIPMENT THAT WE CANNOT USE THE GRANT IS TO ELIMINATE OR REMOVE THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT. 
          THEREFORE WE'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND DECLARE IT AS SURPLUS EQUIPMENT. 
          WE WILL PUT IT ON A GOVERNMENTAL AUCTION SITE AND HOPE TO RECOUP SOME OF THE MONEY EITHER BY A THIRD PARTY OR, UM, ANOTHER CITY THAT IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF SOME SORT OF EQUIPMENT SIMILAR TO THIS. 
          SO THE ASK WOULD BE TO DECLARED A SURPLUS AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET IT ON THE AUCTION SITE. 
          AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SEE IF WE CAN RECUPERATE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS. 
          SO THIS IS STILL USABLE TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY, NOT IN THE UNITED STATES. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS BUY THESE AND THEY WILL SHIP THEM DOWN TO, UH, OTHER COUNTRIES THAT IS USABLE FOR THEM, BUT OUR STANDARD AND PART OF THE GRANT REPLACED THEM WAS THAT THEY WERE NO LONGER COMPLIANT WITH CURRENT STANDARDS. 
          SO THAT IS WHY WE WERE ELIMINATING THEM. 
          AND INSTEAD OF JUST DESTROYING THEM AND THROW THEM AWAY, SOME COLLECTORS WILL BUY THEM. 
          SOME OTHER THIRD PARTY COMPANIES WILL BUY THEM AND THEN THEY WILL TRY TO THEN SHIP THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOR OTHER NUISANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY COMMENTS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY'S AGENDA? ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'LL BE ON MONDAY FOR AGENDA. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, 
          [  2021 City Employee Health Insurance]
ITEM THREE  2021 CITY EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          MS. . 
          YES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS OUR ANNUAL LEGISLATION FOR A CITY EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          THE CITY CURRENTLY PROVIDES MEDICAL DENTAL, VISION AND LIFE INSURANCE FOR ALL OF OUR ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES ON CITY. 
          THE RENEWAL FOR HEALTH INSURANCE IS JANUARY 1ST OF 2021. 
          WE HAVE WORKED WITH OUR INSURANCE AGENT, UM, MARSH MCLENNAN. 
          THEY REWORKED ON THE RENEWAL PROCESS, WHICH IS NOW COMPLETE. 
          THEY HAVE PROVIDED US AND RECEIVED A REQUEST, A QUOTE FOR A MEDICAL INSURANCE AT 3.85%, WHICH IS FANTASTIC I'M AND DENTAL AND VISION AND LIFE INSURANCE ARE REMAINING THE SAME. 
          SO WE WILL SEE JUST THE 3.85% INCREASE FOR 2021. 
          SO THIS LEGISLATION BEFORE YOU AND STEVE NEED IS TO APPROVE THAT ON MONDAY, IT WOULD BE THE REQUEST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HEALTH INSURANCE SO WE CAN HAVE OPEN ENROLLMENT COME NOVEMBER 1ST, DANNY DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          NOTHING, ANY, UH, ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY'S AGENDA? ALRIGHT. 
          [  City Staffing Levels/Table of Organization]
ITEM THREE, D COMMITTEE STAFFING LEVELS, TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, UM, WITH NASA. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS LEGISLATION AND THE ONE AFTER THIS, THE SALARY RANGES ARE PROBABLY GOING TO KIND OF COMBINE THOSE TWO. 
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UM, I KNOW WE'LL DO THEM SEPARATE, BUT FOR THE INFORMATION I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU TONIGHT, UH, THEY KIND OF GO TOGETHER. 
          SO THIS IS ANDREW LEGISLATION THAT WE BRING BEFORE COUNCIL TO APPROVE OUR STAFFING LEVELS IN OUR SALARY RANGES. 
          SO WE HAVE CURRENTLY EVERY THREE YEARS, WE TRY TO REVISE OUR SALARY RANGES. 
          UM, AND WE LOOK THROUGH OUR JOB DESCRIPTIONS. 
          SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT, MY GRANT, THE HR GROUP FOR THE CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION STUDY. 
          SO WE WORK WITH THEM TO, UM, ENSURE OUR POSITIONS AND SALARIES REMAIN COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET TODAY. 
          SO THEY HAVE OUR CONSULTANTS SOLICITED SALARY DATA FROM COMPARABLE ORGANIZATIONS, AND THEY EXAMINE EACH POSITION THAT WE HAVE AS TO HOW THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF EACH OF THOSE POSITIONS ALIGN WITH US HERE AND HOW THEY COMPARE TO OTHER SIMILAR POSITIONS WITHIN THE MARKET. 
          THEY LOOKED AT THE EXTERNAL MARKET, COMPARABLE ORGANIZATIONS, UM, INCLUDED THOSE CITIES THAT WE'RE IN DIRECT COMPETITION WITH. 
          SO IT WOULD BE YOUR KETTERING CENTERVILLE, TROY TIP CITY KIND OF LOCALLY, UM, ANYBODY THAT WE WOULD HAVE COMPETITION WITH, UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT FOR OUR POSITIONS, UM, SOME POSITION TITLES HAVE BEEN CHANGED AND AMENDED. 
          THEY'RE MINOR CHANGES TO THOSE TITLES AND IT'S JUST THE TITLES ONLY. 
          IT'S NOT THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION. 
          SO THE POSITION IS ONLY THE TITLE CHANGE, BUT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES REMAIN THE SAME. 
          SO THIS WAY WE'RE COMPARABLE TO THOSE IN THE MARKET, AS FAR AS THE JOB DUTIES GO. 
          SO WHEN YOU SEE THIS LEGISLATION, UM, THE AMENDMENTS, WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM IF YOU'D LIKE, UM, BUT THE TITLES ARE CHANGED AND REFLECTED IN THERE ALSO REFLECTED ON THE TIO. 
          THAT'S ALSO ATTACHED. 
          DON'T CHANGE EITHER THE SALARY RANGES WILL BE NEXT. 
          SO YES, THE SALARY RANGES WILL BE CHANGING. 
          UM, AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE AND THE NEXT ITEM, OR WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM NOW. 
          IT'S HOWEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING BEFORE WE GO TO THOSE. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY, UH, PROPOSED ADDITIONS TO THE STAFFING? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS? NICELY ON NICE. 
          HEY, I'M NOT SEEING ANY, UH, THIS RIDE THEM THREE D OR THREE 
          [  City Salary Ranges and Wage Levels]
E CITY SALARY RANGES AND WAGE LEVELS. 
          SO THE CONSULTANT HAS TAKEN THOSE COMPARABLES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE CREATED, UM, A NEW SCHEDULE. 
          SO THE SALARY SCHEDULE, AND IT'S CREATED A PAY PHILOSOPHY WITH A DESIRED POSITION OF A 53% ABOVE AVERAGE MARKET COMPENSATION. 
          SO WE TOOK THE 50% BEING AVERAGE, AND WE'VE ADDED 3% ABOVE THAT. 
          SO WE'RE CALLING THAT A 53% ABOVE AVERAGE MARKET COMPENSATION. 
          THIS WILL KEEP THE CITY AT, OR JUST ABOVE THE AVERAGE MARKET TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN STAY COMPETITIVE AND, AND RECRUITING OUR TALENT AND PROVIDE SUPPORT TO RETAIN THE PERSONNEL THAT ARE ALREADY HERE. 
          SO IN ORDER TO BE COMPETITIVE FOR RETENTION OF, OF EXISTING PERSONNEL AND HOW SUCCESSFUL RECRUITMENT EFFORTS, WE NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE TARGETED COMPARABLE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS THOUGH WE HAVE DIRECT COMPETITION WITH, UM, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE GREAT TENURE. 
          SO THEY, IN THEIR STUDY, THEY, THEY IDENTIFIED THE OVERALL. 
          UM, WE HAVE AN AVERAGE OF TENURE OF 12.8 YEARS, WHICH IS FANTASTIC WHEN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS 6.8. 
          SO WE ARE KEEPING PEOPLE. 
          UM, BUT WE ARE SEEING THAT OUR WAGES ARE SLIGHTLY, UM, FALLING A LITTLE BIT BEHIND THE ABOVE AVERAGE, WHICH IS WHERE WE WANT TO BE. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE HIGHEST AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE LOWEST. 
          WE WANT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPETITIVE OR WE'RE KIND OF IN THAT SPOT. 
          THAT'S A LITTLE ABOVE AVERAGE. 
          UM, SO OUR GOAL IS FOR ALL TENURED EMPLOYEES, MAYBE BELOW THE BENCHMARK TO PROGRESS FURTHER INTO THE SCHEDULE OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AND, AND TAKE THEM BEYOND THAT 53% MARKET RATE, UM, FOR PROTECT FOR RETENTION PURPOSES. 
          SO THE RECOMMENDED SALARY SCHEDULE YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU HAS CHANGED. 
          UM, WE WILL TAKE THOSE THAT WILL BE AFFECTED WITH THE MINIMUMS. WE WILL TAKE THOSE AND MOVE THEM TO THE MINIMUMS, UM, WHICH IS VERY MINIMAL. 
          AND THEN THIS ACTUAL RANGE WILL HELP WITH COMPRESSION ISSUES IN PLACE, BETTER SEPARATION BETWEEN THE RANKS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS HERE, MRS. KNIFE LIKE THAT? MR. SHAWL, MR. SHAW. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, UM, IT'S NICELY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS QUESTION IS FOR YOU OR MORE FOR, UM, FOR MR. SCHOMER. 
          I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSION TOPIC LATER ON THIS EVENING, UM, WITH THESE PROPOSED CHANGES, WHAT DOES THIS DO? UM, UH, WHAT KIND OF PERCENTAGE CHANGE DOES THE MINIMUM HAVE, UH, WHEN IT COMES 
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TO OUR CITY BUDGET? I HAVE DISCUSSED THAT WITH, UM, MR.  AND IT'S, IT'S LITERALLY, I BELIEVE A 0.2%, I BELIEVE IS WHAT HE MENTIONED. 
          SO IT'S VERY MINIMAL TO OUR BUDGET FOR 2021. 
          OKAY. 
          IN ONE THING, ONE THING. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          PLEASE USE YOUR HANDS. 
          IF YOU SEE ONE THERE, ANY OBJECTIONS BY ME, GO AHEAD. 
          UM, REGARDING, UH, AND I'M SPEAKING IN THIS NOW BECAUSE OF THE DESK MIC, UH, SHORTED OUT ON US AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THOSE WIRELESS THINGS. 
          THAT'S WHY I COULDN'T BE HEARD ON THE LIVESTREAM IT STARTED, BUT THEN IT CUT OUT. 
          SO I'LL USE THE KARAOKE MIC HERE FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT. 
          SO, UH, IF I BREAK OUT INTO TUNE, WELL, IT'S GOT TO DEAL WITH IT. 
          UH, NOW REGARDING THE, UH, THE SALARY CHANGES, UH, EVEN THOUGH THAT THE, UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RANGES, IT DOES NOT AFFECT MOST OF OUR PERSONNEL ARE ALREADY INTO THE MID RANGE. 
          SO THE ACTUAL FISCAL EFFECT OF THE CHANGE IN SOME OF THE LOW POINTS OF OUR STARTING ENTRIES, OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE ALREADY SURPASSED THAT. 
          SO IT WOULD AFFECT POTENTIALLY FUTURE HIRES, UH, BUT FOR OUR BUDGET FROM THIS YEAR TO NEXT YEAR, COMPARING WHAT WE'RE DOING IN PERSONNEL EXPENSES, UH, VERY NOMINAL, UH, VERY MINIMAL. 
          UH, WHAT IT DOES IS IT JUST MAKES ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE RECOMMENDED RANGES AND STRUCTURE OF THEM. 
          SO IT'S NOT A, UM, OVERALL INCREASE OF EVERYBODY'S CURRENT SALARY POSITIONS THAT STILL IS COVERED THROUGH THE STANDARD, UH, MERIT AND STANDARD, UH, ANNUAL INCREASE THAT WOULD BE CALCULATED, UH, IN, IN DISCUSSED AND PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED ON. 
          SO IT DOESN'T COMPOUND ON TOP OF THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          IT DOES. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, ROB, ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY AGENDA, UH, 
          [  Part One - Administrative Code - Huber Heights Codified Ordinances - Changes]
ITEM THREE F PART ONE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE HUBER HEIGHTS CODAFIDE ORDINANCE CHANGES NICELY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, IN REGARD TO WHAT WE WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT, YOU WILL SEE CHANGES TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE. 
          UM, PART ONE. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DIVISION OF PLANNING, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING WILL NOW INCLUDE THE DIVISION OF BUILDING. 
          THE DIVISION OF BUILDING WAS, IS CURRENTLY UNDER DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND REVIEWING ALL THE DOCUMENTS WE FEEL AS THOUGH THE DIVISION OF BUILDING WOULD FIT BETTER UNDERNEATH THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING. 
          SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING THAT OUT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, INTO THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND SECTION TWO, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE DIVISION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT OUT, AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING THAT UNDER WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT SECTION. 
          UM, MOVING THAT UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SERVICES, JUST ACTUALLY REFLECTED, REFLECTED IN OUR, UM, CHARTER. 
          SO WE'RE PUTTING THAT TO WHERE IT'LL STILL BE UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SERVICES BY THE DIRECTOR. 
          SO THOSE TWO WILL BE DELETIONS AND JUST MOVE TO A DIFFERENT SECTION. 
          SECTION THREE DIVISION OF PARKS IS REALLY JUST A HOUSEKEEPING ISSUE. 
          THE DIVISION OF PARKS WILL BE MANAGED BY, IT SAYS CURRENTLY PARKS AND RECREATION MANAGER IT'S THAT WOULD BE JOSH KING, WHICH IS TITLE IS PARKS MANAGER, NOT PARKS AND RECREATION MANAGER. 
          SO THAT'S JUST HOUSEKEEPING. 
          AND AGAIN, WITH THE SENIOR CENTER DIVISION, UM, IT SAYS MANAGED BY THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES. 
          WE ARE CHANGING THAT TO PARKS MANAGER IN SECTION FOUR. 
          THIS SECTION MUST'VE BEEN JUST MISSED DURING THE LAST REVISION OF THE, UM, MINISTRATIVE CODE. 
          SO THIS SECTION DIVISION OF PARKS AND RECREATION WAS ACTUALLY CREATING JUST THE DIVISION OF PARKS. 
          SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING DELETION OF THIS SECTION ONCE IT'D BE 9.03, BECAUSE WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT POSITION. 
          FIRST OF ALL, COMMUNITY SERVICES AND SPECIAL PROJECT MANAGER. 
          AND NOW IT'S JUST A DIVISION OF PARKS AND THAT'S WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES. 
          AND THEN I'M REPLACING THAT DELETION WITH THE DIVISION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, IF THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE, ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M NOT SEEING ANY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY'S AGENDA. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, NANCY, IN AN ORDINANCE. 
          UM, WELL, KATIE, DO WE NEED TO WAIT READING OR WITHOUT, UH, GO TO TWO READINGS? UM, I BELIEVE IT DID GO TO RATINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, WE, WE WOULD JUST NEED THAT, UM, PAST, PRIOR TO JANUARY 1ST, 
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SO WE SHOULD HAVE TIME TO, TO GET THAT DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MRS. BERG. 
          YES. 
          UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO WRAP UP, UH, IN, IN FOLLOWUP AND THINK KATIE AND, UM, AND ALSO BRIAN AND ALSO OUR, UH, OUR GROUP THAT WE HIRED AS HIS COUNCIL RECALLS, WE FUNDED IN THE CAPITOL, UH, FOR THIS YEAR OF STUDY AND THE STUDY HAS GONE ON FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS. 
          SO WHAT YOU JUST HEARD WAS A COMBINATION OF THAT. 
          UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DID A WHOLE LOT OF WORK FOR NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SUGGESTIONS, UH, BUT A LOT OF WORK WAS DONE TO CONFIRM BASICALLY WHERE WE ARE ORGANIZATIONALLY. 
          AND I THINK A LOT OF THE ADVANCEMENTS AND A LOT OF THE, UM, ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRED, UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE KATIE'S BEEN ON BOARD, I WANT TO THANK AND APPRECIATE HER BECAUSE CONSULTANTS COMPARING US TO OTHER NATIONAL TYPE OF MODELS REALLY SHOWED THAT THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT THAT NEEDED ANY MAJOR CHANGES. 
          THERE WEREN'T ANY MAJOR ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURAL CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED, UH, THAT WE TRULY ARE UTILIZING OUR PERSONNEL RESOURCES, UH, IN THE, UH, IN THE BEST, BEST, POSSIBLE WAYS. 
          AND, UM, AND MAKING MOST BEST USE OUT OF, UH, OUT OF THE PERSONNEL RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO, UH, ALTHOUGH THERE WAS NO LONG, UH, MULTI-PHASE APPROACH TO, UH, TO IMPLEMENT THE, UH, PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT STUDY. 
          UH, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT BODES WELL ON HOW WELL ORGANIZED, UH, THAT, THAT THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE OF THE CITY IS CONSIDERING THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO, UH, I'M REAL PROUD OF THAT FACT. 
          AND, UH, AND I THINK EVERYONE HERE SHOULD, SHOULD ALSO, SO I APPRECIATE KATIE TAKING ON IN MANAGING THAT PROCESS, UH, ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GONE ON OVER MULTIPLE MONTHS. 
          SO, UM, BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE, BUT IT'S JUST NOT REALLY EVIDENT IN A VERY BRIEF, MINOR, A MINOR ASK FOR CHANGE. 
          SO, UH, SO JOB WELL DONE. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND I LIKED THE EMPHASIS ON KEEPING US COMPETITIVE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME FOCUSING ON RETENTION BECAUSE WE HAVE SUPER, SUPER PINK BOW HAIR AND I'D HATE TO SEE THEM LEAVE. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM, UH, 
          [  OPWC Grant Application - Mardi Gras Water Main Replacement Project]
IS THE OPEN WPP GRANT APPLICATION, THE MARDI GRAS WATERMELON REPLACEMENT PROJECT, UH, MR. BERMAN, UM, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU STARTED ON THAT REAL QUICK, UM, MR. MCDONALD HAD TO LEAVE TO A FAMILY EMERGENCY, UH, UM, HE JUST SENT ME THAT MESSAGE AND I SAW HIM TRY TO POP UP. 
          SO, UH, UM, JUST PASS IT ON, UH, YES, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. 
          UM, THIS LEGISLATION HERE IS FOR APPROVAL OF SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION FOR A OPWC, WHICH IS THE, HOW PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION, UH, USED TO BE ISSUED TO FUNDING. 
          UH, THIS IS YEARLY APPLICATION PROCESS, WHICH, AND IT'S DUE IN TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. 
          UH, THE APPLICATION FOR THIS YEAR IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WATER MAIN ON MARDI GRAS DRIVE, ALONG WITH PARISH COURT AND A PORTION OF CHARLES GATE ROAD. 
          UH, THERE WAS A MAP I THINK, ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET. 
          UM, THIS AREA HAS HAD A NUMEROUS WATER MAIN BREAKS IN THE PAST YEAR, AND MOST OF IT CAME AFTER THE WATER PRESSURE PROJECT. 
          UM, WHAT THEY FOUND WAS THERE WAS A LOT OF AREAS OF DETERIORATED, UH, PIPE POLES THAT THEY FIXED FOR THE RE FOR THE BRAKES. 
          AND, UH, SO WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE THIS AREA ALONG WITH THE MAIN, IT'D BE FIRE HYDRANTS AND WATER BOWELS. 
          AND, UH, WE'D ALSO, UH, ANY OF THE ROADS THAT ARE AFFECTED WILL BE MILLED AND REPAVED AFTER WE'RE FINISHED. 
          UH, THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE PROJECT IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 400,000 AND WE'LL BE REQUESTING OR ASKING FOR ABOUT 50% OF THAT. 
          AND THE COST OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE OUT OF THE WATER FUND. 
          AND IF IT GETS FUNDED WITH CONSTRUCTION WOULD PROBABLY BE THE END OF NEXT YEAR OR POSSIBLY THE BEGINNING OF 2022. 
          SO ANY GOOD, ANY QUESTIONS I CAN TAKE ON THAT? WHEN ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GET AN ANSWER ON THE, THE GRANT APPLICATION? USUALLY IT COMES WELL THIS YEAR IT'S LATE. 
          THE APPLICATION USED TO BE DUE IN AUGUST. 
          NOW IT'S OCTOBER, IT'S LIKE TWO MONTHS BEHIND AND USUALLY WE GET AN ANSWER IN DECEMBER. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING IT'LL BE JANUARY OR FEBRUARY BEFORE WE GET AN ANSWER. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? KAY. 
          SO WE'LL PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY. 
          YAY. 
          [ City Water System Discussion]
ITEM THREE H CITY WATER SYSTEM DISCUSSION. 
          MR. BERKMAN, UH, I'LL START OFF REAL QUICK. 
          UM, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO TAG RIGHT ALONG WITH THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, UH, AS PART OF THE WATER 
          [00:35:01]
SYSTEM DISCUSSION IS THE, A SERIES OF MAIN BREAKS THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED THUS FAR THIS YEAR. 
          UH, MR. BERKMAN HAS BEEN PUTTING TOGETHER A PROJECT, UH, TO HAVE A, UH, ALIGNING PUT IN THE EXISTING WATER MAINS, WHICH WOULD BE QUICKER AND MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE. 
          SO IF SOMEONE WERE WONDERING WHY WE AREN'T FOCUSING ON THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED FOR THE MARDI GRAS CHARLES GATE AREA INTO THE AREA OF HARSHMAN VILLE, BASCOM, UH, CLAY BECK, UH, AREA THERE IT'S BECAUSE, UM, IT'S A TIMELINESS THING. 
          THE, THE COST OF BEING ABLE TO POTENTIALLY LINE, UH, THE PROBLEM AREAS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UH, WILL BE MUCH QUICKER. 
          WE COULD DO THAT AS EARLY AS THIS SPRING, AS OPPOSED TO WAITING TILL END OF NEXT SEASON FOR POTENTIAL CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, TO HANDLE TWO AREAS OF CONCERN, UH, RATHER THAN ONE. 
          SO, UM, MR. BERGMAN, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT. 
          WE'RE HOPEFUL TO BRING A PROJECT FOR THEM, UH, VERY SOON, UH, TO, UH, TO PUT OUT TO BID. 
          I'D ALSO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL FUNDING TO LINE THE AREAS THAT WE SEEM TO HAVE SOME CONTINUED ISSUES WITH WATER MAIN BREAKS ON. 
          SO, UH, WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT. 
          UH, THE NEXT, UH, ITEM, UH, REGARDING OUR WATER SYSTEM WAS REGARDING A FOLLOWUP DISCUSSION FOR THE NEED MORE WATER OR NEED MORE ROAD, WATER PLANT. 
          UM, WE WENT THROUGH AND WE DID SOME IN HOUSE ANALYSIS AND ALSO REFER BACK TO SOME OF THE REPORTS PROVIDED BY THE EXPERTS IN OUR CONSULTANTS. 
          UH, AND CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE EXPERTS INVOLVED IS SUEZ SINCE THEY'VE MANAGED AND MAINTAINED THAT PLANT. 
          UM, SINCE WE TOOK IT OVER AS A, AS A CITY, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF SCENARIOS THAT WE'LL START OFF FIRST. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF SCENARIOS THAT WOULD, THAT COULD OCCUR THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO NEED A BACKUP RESOURCE. 
          UM, IF WE DID NOT HAVE THE INTERCONNECT OR A BACKUP RESOURCE, UH, THE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN IS THIS, IF TWO WELLS GO DOWN AT THE SAME TIME, UH, IF TWO OF OUR WELLS ON RIP RAP GO DOWN AT THE SAME TIME, THEN THAT COULD CAUSE AN ISSUE OF PRODUCTION. 
          AND WE WOULD THEN BE TAKING SUPPLIES FROM THE WATER TANKS. 
          AND AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THOSE WELLS BEING DOWN, IT COULD CREATE AN ISSUE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A SHORTAGE. 
          UH, THE OTHER WOULD BE IS A HIGH SERVICE PUMPS. 
          IF TWO OF THE HIGH SERVICE PUMPS GO DOWN AT THE SAME TIME, THAT WOULD BASICALLY CREATE THE SAME ISSUE. 
          ANOTHER SCENARIO WOULD BE A WATER MAIN BREAK AND THE WATER MAIN COMING OUT OF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS THE SOURCE OF WATER INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          AND IF THERE IS A FAILURE THERE THAT WOULD ALSO CAUSE, CAUSE THAT KNEE, UH, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THOSE OCCURRING, UH, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD OCCUR UNDER A NATURAL DISASTER OR CERTAIN MAJOR DEFICIENCY THAT WOULD OCCUR. 
          UH, SO, SO CONSIDERING THAT IF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, WHAT WOULD GO, UH, WOULD GO DOWN AND WOULD NEED TO HAVE A BACKUP, UH, WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITEMS FOR OUR DISCUSSION. 
          ONE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL NEW WATER TOWER. 
          IT PROVIDES ABOUT ADDITIONAL SIX HOURS OF WATER BACKUP. 
          SO, UH, PUTTING IN A LARGE TANK WOULD, UM, WOULD PROVIDE US ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL SIX HOURS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AT A COST OF ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION, UH, ADDITIONAL NEW WELL, UH, REGARDLESS OF OUR DECISIONS, AS WE MENTIONED LAST WEEK, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO LOOK INTO DOING, UH, IN THE FUTURE REGARDLESS AND RELATIVELY SOON, IT WAS PART OF OUR MASTER IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE TO BEGIN WITH, BUT ADDING ONE SOONER THAN LATER RIGHT NOW, UH, THAT WOULD PROVIDE A NECESSARY IF THE CALL, IF TWO OF THOSE WELLS WERE TO GO DOWN SIMULTANEOUSLY, DO NEW EVENT OR MAINTENANCE RELATED ISSUE OR SOMETHING, THEREABOUTS THE COST. 
          SO THAT'S ABOUT A MILLION, UM, PLUS, UH, AN ADDITIONAL HIGH SERVICE PUMP WOULD ALSO BE NEEDED AT THAT TIME, UH, TO CONTRIBUTE TO, UM, THE ADDITIONAL WELL, UH, THE ADDITIONAL, UM, PROCESSING THE WATER, AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL CONTINGENCY. 
          UM, HIGH SURFACE PUMP ROOM DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO INSTALL ANOTHER ONE. 
          AND WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME STRUCTURAL CHANGES IN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING, UH, TO DO THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT COST WOULD HAVE TO BE ESTIMATED, BUT THAT CERTAINLY WOULD OUTWEIGH THE COST OF WHAT THE CURRENT INTERNET IN INTERCONNECT COST WOULD BE. 
          UM, IF THE, UH, IF THE SOFTENING, UH, PART OF THE PLANT GOES DOWN, THE PLANT CAN STILL RUN. 
          UM, IF THEY, UH, IF THEIR BAR, IF THEY'RE BYPASSED, UM, BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'D BE PUMPING HARD WATER INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          AND THAT COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS THAT WERE, THAT WERE NOT AWARE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY, UH, OTHER ITEMS CONCERNING THE INTERCONNECTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE, UM, WITH THE DATE AND INTERCONNECT THAT WE'VE TITLED IT. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A SECONDARY SOURCE OF WATER INTO OUR WATER SYSTEM, IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED BY EPA. 
          UH, AND IN FACT, UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, EPA 
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IS LOOKING AND COULD MAKE THIS REQUIREMENT, UH, IN THE FUTURE, UM, IF A SUPPLEMENTAL SYSTEM IS NEARBY. 
          SO THAT WAS PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS AS WELL. 
          UH, THE INTERCONNECT PROJECT WAS ESTIMATED LAST YEAR, IT'D BE 800 TO A MILLION IN THE CIP BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED AND PASSED BY COUNCIL. 
          WE HAD IT LISTED AT 1.5 BASED ON SOME EXISTING, UM, INCREASED AS TO THE DESIGN CAUSE WE WERE THAT MUCH FURTHER ALONG IN THE DESIGN OF IT, UH, IN AN ADDING IN THE $250,000, UH, FOR THE ESTIMATE FOR DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING PLANT, UH, THAT ALSO ADDED AND CONTRIBUTED TO THAT AND BROUGHT IT UP TO THE, UM, ABOUT THE $1.8 MILLION MARK. 
          SO BASICALLY IN OUR ANALYSIS AND REVIEW OF THAT, UH, WE CERTAINLY LIKE THE IDEA OF ADDING ADDITIONAL CONTINGENCIES TO OUR OWN SYSTEM. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE FOCUS ON AND CONTINUE TO DO, UH, AS WE INDICATED, UH, HOWEVER, THE INTERCONNECT IT CAN BE THOUGHT OF AS AN INSURANCE POLICY AND IT WOULD PROVIDE THE IMMEDIATE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE WATER INTO THE SYSTEM, SHOULD SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC HAPPEN. 
          UH, IF WE CHOOSE TO UTILIZE, UM, AVAILABLE FUNDS IN AND, UH, DIFFER FROM THE INTERCONNECT AT THIS TIME, THAT CERTAINLY IS A, IS A DECISION WOULD BE A RISK THAT NEEDS TO BE MANAGED AND CALCULATED WITHIN, UM, THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, AND BARRING A EVENT THAT WOULD CAUSE THE LOSS OF TWO PUMPS OR TWO HIGH SERVICE, TWO HIGH SERVICE PUMPS, OR TWO WELLS SIMULTANEOUSLY, OR A WATER MAIN BREAK. 
          UH, WE WOULD BE OKAY. 
          UM, BUT WE WOULD NOT HAVE THAT INSURANCE POLICY. 
          SO, UM, IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER INSURANCE POLICY. 
          YOU PROBABLY PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR IT THAN WHAT YOU GET OUT OF IT. 
          UM, UNLESS YOU RECKLESS, I GUESS THEN, UM, THEN MAYBE IT, IT PAYS OFF, BUT THEN YOUR RATES GO UP. 
          UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR RECOMMENDATION STILL STANDS THAT, UH, WE FEEL IN EVALUATING ALL POSSIBLE METHODS, UM, KEEPING IN ADVANCED COMPLIANCE TO EPA RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE DO HAVE THAT BACKUP RESOURCE AVAILABLE. 
          UH, IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE SEE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR EXISTING WATER, WATER SYSTEM AND WATER, UM, UH, PRODUCTION PLANT AND THE GROWTH OF THE CITY, HAVING THE ABILITY OF THAT INTERCONNECT, UH, SEEMS TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE STILL, UH, AT LEAST TO US FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO, UH, WE, WE, WE PASS THAT ON AS A MATTER OF A POLICY DECISION FROM COUNCIL IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE, AND WHAT TYPE OF GUARANTEES WE CAN PUT IN PLACE AND, OR WHAT CONTINUED INVESTMENTS WE NEED TO MAKE INTO THE, UH, TO THE WATER SYSTEM. 
          NANCY. 
          YES. 
          ROB COULDN'T STAFF PROVIDE COUNCIL, THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WE ENTER INTO WITH THE CITY OF DAYTON. 
          YES. 
          THERE IS A, A DRAFT AND IT'S STILL UNDER, UH, UNDER DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN RUSS. 
          DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT DRAFT STILL? YES, I DO. 
          I GET THAT TOO? YES. 
          AND DOES IT SPEAK TO, UH, A LIMITED AMOUNT OF GALLONS THAT WE WOULD PUMP TO DAYTON AT ANY GIVEN TIME? I DO NOT THINK SO. 
          UH, WE, WE CAN ONLY SUPPLY THEM WITH ROUGHLY TWO TO 3 MILLION AT THE MOST BECAUSE OF THE CAPACITY OF OUR PLANT. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE IN, WITHIN THE AGREEMENT AT THE TIME, AND THEY WE'VE ALREADY TOLD THEM THAT, BUT IT'S NOT IN AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW. 
          WE STILL HAVE TO FINALIZE THE AGREEMENT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET FROM THEM. 
          WE WERE TOLD FOUR TO 5 MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED FOR A DAY. 
          UH, SO LIKE I SAID, WE'LL WORK, WE'LL FINALIZE THAT AGREEMENT AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT'S IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND WHAT WOULD BE IN THERE? WELL, I MEAN, WE WOULD PUT IN, THERE WOULD BE A MAKING SURE THAT THE EXPECTATION OF GALLONS, IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE WERE HAVING TO SUPPLY THEM WATER, UH, WE WOULD HAVE A LIMITATION ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER BEING ABLE TO BE, UH, BYPASSED AND PUT THROUGH THAT SYSTEM PER DAY. 
          UH, IT'S METERED, UH, THERE WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY A, UH, A PAYMENT FOR THAT WATER, UH, AND SAME WAY COMING TO US AS WELL. 
          THERE WOULD BE A, UM, JUST BY DESIGN OF THE SIZE. 
          THERE'S GOING TO BE A LIMITATION ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER COMING THROUGH. 
          UM, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T PUT OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE IF WE ARE SUPPLYING WATER OUT, THAT WE AREN'T SURGING OUR OWN SYSTEM AND CREATING A, UM, UH, A DIMINISHED LEVEL OF SERVICE TO, TO OUR, OUR RESIDENTS IN OUR WATER SYSTEM AS WELL. 
          SO THE CALCULATIONS OF THAT, UH, ARE ONGOING AND THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE FINAL THINGS THAT'S BEING DONE IN FINAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE, 
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UH, OF THE DRAFT AGREEMENT. 
          AND I REMEMBER ROB, UH, SOMETHING THAT MR. SHAW BROUGHT UP LAST WEEK, UH, IN REGARD TO THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING DATA, SHOULD THEIR SYSTEM BE LESS THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT? UH, DO WE REMEMBER WHEN THE WATER LINE MAIN WAS EXTENDED INTO MIAMI COUNTY WITHOUT US KNOWING WHEN WE WERE ACQUIRING THE WATER UTILITY? I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND, AND I THINK THEY EXTENDED THE WATER UTILITY, THE WATER MAIN INTO MIAMI COUNTY UP TO GIBSON DRIVE. 
          AND WHEN WE WENT TO COURT TO TRY TO GET THAT SHUT OFF, THEY WOULD NOT LET US SHUT THE WATER OFF SO THAT SOME CASE LAW THAT WE COULD LOOK AT, BUT I AM CONCERNED LIKE MR. SHAW WAS IN REGARDS TO US, HOOKING UP TO THE CITY OF DAYTON AND NEEDING TO PROVIDE THEM WATER. 
          AND I WOULD HATE FOR THEIR SYSTEM TO GO DOWN AND BECAUSE OF AN AGREEMENT THAT WE ENTERED INTO, UM, WE COULDN'T PROVIDE THE NECESSARY WATER BASED ON SOME CATASTROPHE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE A COPY OF THE DRAFT PROPOSAL, AND I'D ALSO LIKE US TO BE KEPT UP TO DATE REAL TIME ON ANY OF THE CHANGES OR PROPOSALS, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT, UH, WE'RE HEADED INTO A SITUATION THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO INVOLVE SOME EXPERTS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR LIABILITY IS AND RISK IS MEASURED AND MAINTAINED. 
          UM, ROB, DO WE KNOW? OH, WHOSE HAND IS THAT? DON RICHARD CHOCOLATE. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO, UM, TO KIND OF CONTINUE ON, UH, UH, MR. CAMPBELL'S, UH, CONVERSATION, UM, WITH THE, UM, WATER QUALITY AND EFFORTS OF THE CITY OF DAYTON, UH, WITH THEIR MIAMI AND OTTAWA PLANTS, UM, I STILL HAVE A VERY STRONG OBJECTION TO ANY TYPE OF INTERCONNECT WITH THEM. 
          UM, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE SERVICE OF THAT WILL PROVIDE TO THEM AND THE QUALITY OF WATER, BUT VICE VERSA. 
          UM, I THINK THERE WAS A REPORT DONE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO BY THE EPA AND EVEN REGIONALLY, UM, UH, WITH THE WATER QUALITY THAT, UH, THE CITY OF DAYTON HAS WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE, NOT ONLY WITH THE WATER SOFTENING AND THE MEMBRANE USAGE AS WELL. 
          UM, MY CONCERN IS IF THAT GOES INTO OUR PIPES, EVEN FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME, WHAT KIND OF, WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE WILL THAT DO TO US? WE'RE KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          COULD THAT CAUSE, UM, NUMBER TWO, UM, ROB, I, I THINK WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK THE TERM YOU USED WAS NATURAL DISASTER. 
          IF, UH, IF ONE OF THOSE THINGS WAS TO HAPPEN TO OUR WATER PLANT, IN MY OPINION, IF A NATURAL DISASTER WAS TO OCCUR AND THAT, AND THAT SITUATION, THAT CAKES INTO A WHOLE DIFFERENT AVENUE OF FUNDING AVAILABLE TO GET US BACK TO UP AND GOING WITHIN THE STATE OF OHIO FEMA, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO THERE ARE THOSE KIND OF, I GUESS, ONE, ONE TYPE SITUATIONAL FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE STATE AND FEDERALLY THAT WE COULD TAP INTO. 
          IF THAT ONE TIME SITUATION THING COULD OCCUR. 
          NUMBER TWO, OR NUMBER THREE, I THINK I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE US REACH OUT FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR ON A STATE BUDGET REQUEST TO OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO NOT ONLY IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR WATER SYSTEM OR IF A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD ON THIS WATER INTERCONNECT. 
          UM, AND TO MR. CAMPBELL'S POINT. 
          UM, THE LAST THING I WANT US TO DO NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE I THINK OUR STAFF IS VERY COMPETENT, BUT TO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH CYA IS THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS TURN INTO A FLINT MICHIGAN, WHERE WE CHANGE OUR WATER SOURCE OR DO A WATER CHANGE AND NOT HAVE ALL THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE ANSWERED COMPLETELY WITH THE PROS AND CONS OF WHAT COULD AND COULD NOT HAPPEN. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THE COST IS A BIG THING FOR ME, UM, BUT ALSO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND TIME THAT WE PUT INTO UPGRADES AND INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          I SEE ANOTHER HAND. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, JUMP IN KIND OF, UH, ALONG THE SAME VEIN AS RICHARD WAS TALKING ABOUT, BUT, UH, MY BIG CONCERN IS THAT IF WE'RE 
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LOOKING AT OUR, OUR BIGGEST POTENTIAL ISSUES, UM, BEING PREDICATED PRIMARILY ON SOME TYPE OF NATURAL DISASTER, UM, I, I THINK HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT DAYTON IS AFFECTED BY NATURAL DISASTER AS MUCH MORE THAN WE HAVE BEEN. 
          UH, I'M I, MY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES THAT WE NEED SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE BECAUSE THERE'LL BE IN THE SAME OR WORSE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN. 
          AND PERSONALLY, I PREFER TO OUR OWN SYSTEM AND WORK ON, UM, CREATING A MORE MODERN VERSION OF OUR BACKUP, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS, UH, ROB, UH, MAY HAVE WEIGHED DETERMINED WITH THE GROWTH OF OUR CITY AT WHAT POINT WE WOULD, UH, IT WOULD BE ADVISABLE TO GET IT, UH, TO, UH, GET ANOTHER WELL OR, UM, BUILD ANOTHER, UM, WATER TOWER. 
          YES, WE, UH, WE HAVE THOSE PLANS WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO BEGIN LOOKING AT AN ADDITIONAL WELL, UH, FOR PRODUCTION DOWN AT THE PLANT, UH, RELATIVELY SOON, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S SOMEWHAT, I GUESS, SUBJECTIVE, UM, SOON MEETING WITHIN THE NEXT, UH, YOU KNOW, NEXT COUPLE YEARS, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT DOING THAT SOONER, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY WOULD, WOULD LOOK AT DOING THAT SOONER. 
          WE JUST BROUGHT A NEW WELL ONLINE, UH, AS PART OF THE, UM, THE SOFTENING, UH, THAT WELL IS PRODUCING VERY WELL, UH, EXCEEDING EXPECTATIONS. 
          THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF WATER, UH, BEING PULLED OUT OF THE WELLS IN, IN, IN UNISON IS, UM, IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE. 
          UM, BUT FOR THAT FUTURE USAGE, DEMAND AND EXPANSION, UH, AS WE CONTINUE TO ADD HOMES AND BUSINESSES, ET CETERA, IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO BE PREPARED FOR. 
          UM, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT DRAWING THE MINIMUM. 
          WE WANT IT TO HAVE, UH, PLENTY OF SURPLUS AND EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO I SEE SOMEONE ELSE'S HAND UP VICE MAYOR? THIS IS ED LYON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ROB, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR AS WELL AS, UH, THE NECESSARY APPLICATION TO, UH, PROTECTING OUR CITY, OUR CITY'S WATER SOURCE AND THE REDUNDANCIES, UH, THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING. 
          UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE INTERCONNECT WITH DAYTON IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST OVERALL. 
          I DO THINK THAT, UH, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO PROTECT OURSELVES IN THAT AGREEMENT. 
          AND I'M SURE YOU AND, AND RUSS SPOKE TO THIS AS WELL, UH, THAT THAT WILL BE DONE. 
          UH, BUT WE JUST WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT. 
          UH, I CAN SEE, UM, OUR PLAN IN THE FUTURE WHERE WE ACTUALLY DO ALL THREE. 
          WE HAVE THE INTERCONNECT WITH DAYTON. 
          WE HAVE A, AN ADDITIONAL WELL OR YOU'RE DRILLED AND, UH, FOR CAPACITY OR CAPACITY. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, WATER TOWER, UH, THE WATER SUPPLY, UH, TO MR. SHAW'S COM COMMENT. 
          UH, WE DON'T WANT TO END UP LIKE A FLINT, MICHIGAN, AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. 
          I DON'T THINK THIS IS NECESSARILY GOING TO TAKE US THERE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE REDUNDANCIES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR WATER SYSTEM AND OUR WATER, UH, DISTRIBUTION, UM, ONLY MAKES US STRONGER. 
          UH, THAT IS THE HUGE PROJECT THAT, UH, PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAD HAD THE FORESIGHT TO PURCHASE OUR OWN DEPARTMENT. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND INCREASE, UH, THROUGH THE REDUNDANCIES AND MAKE STRONGER. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ROB. 
          I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT NANCY. 
          YES. 
          ROB SCHOMER. 
          YES. 
          IN REGARD TO ALL OF THESE IDEAS THAT ED JUST BROUGHT UP REITERATED BASED ON YEARS AND RAICES COMMENTS THAT WOULD ADD UP TO ABOUT FIVE, SIX, 7 MILLION, CORRECT. 
          IF WE DID A WATER TOWER AND EXTRA WELL, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THE INTERCONNECT. 
          YEAH. 
          I, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK YOU JUMP UP TO THAT AREA FOR ALL THOSE. 
          SURE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          YOU REMIND ME WHAT REFURBING THAT PLANT THE NEED MORE ROAD PLANT WOULD COST. 
          IT COSTS ABOUT THE SAME, BUT THE ISSUE WAS IT STILL WAS PROVIDING HARD WATER. 
          SO THAT WAS THE ISSUE. 
          UH, THE, THE MAIN ISSUE WITH THAT PLANT WAS FINDING A WAY TO EITHER PUT SOFTENING 
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IN THERE OR HAVING TO INSTALL A MAINLINE FROM THAT PLANT ALL THE WAY TO THE, UM, RIP RAP PLANT, UM, IN ORDER TO, UH, TO HAVE THE SAME CHEMISTRY OF WATER GOING TO THE SYSTEM. 
          SO THAT WOULD HAVE A COST THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA TO ESTIMATE AT THIS TIME WE WOULD, UM, WELL WE SAW HOW MUCH THE SOFTENING COST AT THE ONE PLANT, SO THAT PLANT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. 
          UH, SO THAT WOULD ADD PROBABLY ANOTHER 7 MILLION TO IT, MAYBE. 
          UH, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE COST OF A, OF A MAIN LINE TO PUMP IT ALL FROM THERE TO BE SOFTENED FIRST. 
          SO, UH, THAT WAS A CALCULATION THAT WE DIDN'T FACTOR IN. 
          WE WERE JUST FACTORING IN GETTING THE PLANT POTENTIALLY UP TO CODE TO PRODUCE WATER AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          SOMEONE ELSE HAD THEIR HAND UP. 
          OH YEAH, I DID REAL QUICK. 
          I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT. 
          UH, WHEN ROB SAID ABOUT TWO WELLS GOING DOWN OR TWO HIGH SERVICE PUMPS GOING DOWN, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT HAPPENING IS IF THE WELL GOES DOWN TO WHERE A HIGH SERVICE PUMP GOES DOWN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS TO GET IT FIXED A NEW MOTOR, A NEW WELL NEW PUMP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          IT TAKES A WHILE. 
          THAT'S WHY A SECOND ONE GOING DOWN COULD HAPPEN. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, THE SAME DAY, BUT I'M SAYING THAT CHANCES ARE, COULD HAPPEN WITHIN THAT EIGHT WEEKS. 
          THE SECOND ONE GOES DOWN. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, OKAY. 
          ANY MORE COMMENTS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, THEN WHAT'S THE, UH, WHAT'S THE DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED ON TO MONDAY? OR IS THIS JUST ONGOING DISCUSSION? W WELL, I WOULD, UM, RESPECTFULLY ASK COUNSEL TO, UM, UM, PROVIDE WHICH MEASURE AND DIRECTION THAT STAFF SHOULD CONTINUE TO, UH, TO APPROACH IF WE WANT TO, UH, PUT A HALT TO THE, UH, CONTINUED DESIGN EFFORTS AND FINALIZATION OF THE INTERCONNECT, UH, THEN, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S SAVE WHATEVER, UM, MONEY THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SPENT ON THAT. 
          UH, IF, UH, COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO, UM, UH, HIRE IN AN EXPERT OR A CONSULTANT TO EVALUATE WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF WE'LL CALL IT RISK PERCENTAGE OR SAFETY WITHIN OUR EXISTING PLANT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MAYBE NEW TOWER, UH, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, NEW, WELL, NEW HIGH SERVICE PUMP, BUILDING EXPANSION FOR THAT, ET CETERA. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO THROUGH A, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO THROUGH THAT AS WELL. 
          I GUESS WE NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE, UM, WHAT WORK IT IS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO BE CONDUCTING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, PERSONALLY, I, I, I AGREE WITH MR. CAMPBELL, I THINK I'D LIKE TO GET MORE, UH, OF A, UM, AND I DON'T MEAN THIS WRONG OF A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, UM, A CONSULTANT TO COME IN AND GIVE US SOME IDEAS HOW WE CAN CREATE MORE REDUNDANCY WITHIN OUR OWN SYSTEM SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HOOK UP TO DATE. 
          AND, UM, I JUST, UH, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD GIVE US SOME MORE INSURANCE AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW AND, AND IT WOULD JUST MAKE US SOME OF US FEEL MORE OF A LOT BETTER MOVING FORWARD. 
          BUT, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL. 
          UM, SO, SO THE ASK ON MONDAY IS WHETHER WE WANT YOU TO STOP BASICALLY RIGHT NOW, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DATE AND INTERCONNECT. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY, THAT'S THE ASK NOW, UH, CAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ON THE SCHEDULE FOR MONDAY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEGISLATION OR ANYTHING TO BRING, YOU KNOW, THIS BEING A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FOLLOWING UP FROM OUR PREVIOUS, UH, ASKED TO GO TO BID, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING MONDAY WOULD BE AUTHORIZATION. 
          AND WE WERE BRINGING THAT BACK UP TO GO TO BID FOR THE DESIGN OF THE INTERCONNECT. 
          BUT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THAT THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PENDING QUESTION. 
          SO IT WILL NOT COME UP TO COUNCIL UNTIL, UH, THERE IS A DECISION AND AGREEMENT FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE IT BROUGHT TO THEM IN EITHER WAY AGAIN IS, UM, HE IS FINE WITH US. 
          WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE THE BEST USE OF THE TIME BETWEEN THE MEETINGS. 
          RIGHT. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THEN I GUESS THAT EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T VOTE IN THIS MEETING, WE HAVE TO HAVE A SENSE OF WHERE OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS STAND ON THIS ISSUE. 
          SO, UH, I GUESS I WOULD ASK, UH, WHO IS IN, WHO, WHO SUPPORT ROB GOING FORWARD WITH THE, UH, 
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THE DATE AND INTERCONNECT NANCY? YES. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          I THINK THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE RESEARCH ON WHAT IT WOULD COST TO, UH, BOLSTER OUR OWN SYSTEM AND KIND OF PROVIDE OUR OWN BACKUP PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S SEE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO ENTAIL. 
          WHAT ELSE? VICE MAYOR? YES. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDED PLAN TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE THE INTERCONNECT WITH THE CITY OF DAYTON. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. LYONS, MR. CAMPBELL. 
          I LIKE YOUR IDEA, NANCY, AND, UH, I SURELY WOULDN'T WANT TO MOVE ONE INCH FORWARD TO AN INTERCONNECT WITHOUT SEEING THAT AGREEMENT WITH DAYTON AND HAVING IT EMBEDDED THROUGH, UH, A SPECIALIST, UH, IN THIS TYPE OF AGREEMENT. 
          LEGALLY WE, WE COULD, WE COULD HOOK OURSELF IN FOR GENERATIONS TO CITY AND DAYTON AND REALLY TAKE AWAY FROM OUR CITIZENS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE HAVE PROOF AND WE HAVE PROOF OF THAT NORTH OF, UH, UBUR HEIGHTS THAT'S BEEN DONE. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT INPUT BECAUSE MOST OF US DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, MR. WEBB, OR WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ROSS MISSING ANYTHING HERE? UM, NO, I DON'T THINK, I THINK ROB COVERED EVERYTHING, WHAT YOU NEED NEIL TO ADD SOMETHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          RUSS, DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THAT? A WATER EXTENSION INTO MIAMI COUNTY THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? UH, YEAH, THAT HAPPENED BEFORE I GOT HERE, BUT, UM, I DO KNOW THAT THEY, UM, WAS IT WIDELY, I THINK, DID THE PRODUCT, DID IT, HE DID IT ON A WEEKEND AND CONNECTED INTO OUR SYSTEM. 
          YEAH, HE, IT, AT NIGHT WHEN WE WERE FINALIZING THE NEGOTIATIONS TO BUY THE SYSTEM AND WHEN WE WENT TO COURT, THE COURTS WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO CUT THE WATER OFF. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT, UH, YEAH. 
          AND I THINK, AND I THINK THE WATER RUNS INTO THERE TO THIS DAY, DOESN'T IT? NO, IT DOES NOT. 
          UM, BECAUSE THEY EXTENDED THERE'S FINALLY, YES. 
          MIAMI COUNTY CAME THROUGH AN EXTENDED WATER MAIN ON STATE, ROUTE 40, AND THEN THEY WENT UP TROY TO GIBSON AND THIS WAS PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. 
          AND AT THAT POINT THEY DISCONNECT THE DAR CONNECTION AND THEY PUT IN THEIR OWN MASTER METER TO SERVICE THE WILEY BUSINESS PARK THERE. 
          SO OUR WATER THAT WAS TAPPED INTO, AS YOU SAY, ON THE WEEKEND OR AT NIGHT, UH, RAN WATER INTO WILEY'S INDUSTRIAL PARK FOR WHAT? TWO AND A HALF DECADES. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT HAPPENED, BUT YES, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME AND THEY DID HAVE A MASTER METER ON THERE AND WE DID BILL THEM FOR ALL THAT TIME FOR THIS WATER, BUT YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THE ONLY REFERENCE TO THAT IS ONCE YOU TURN A TAP ON, IT GOES BOTH WAYS INTO DAYTON AND INTO UBUR HEIGHTS. 
          IF ANYTHING HAPPENS, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT EASY TO JUST DISCONNECT THAT BECAUSE THAT CONNECTION INTO WILEY'S INDUSTRIAL PARK, WHICH STILL EXISTS TODAY, WOULD IT NOT RUSS IF MIAMI COUNTY HAD WENT TO THE EXPENSE DECADES LATER TO RUN AN ADDITIONAL WATERLINE? YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          YUP. 
          AND I THINK THE NEWSPAPER REPORTED THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY STOLEN FROM US. 
          AND MY POINT IS WE WENT TO COURT AND COULDN'T EVEN GET IT STOPPED. 
          SO THESE AGREEMENTS HAVE TO BE PRETTY IRONCLAD IN MY EXPERIENCE. 
          UH, RIGHT. 
          LET ME CONTINUE DOWN THE DIOCESE OF MR. SHAW. 
          WHAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE? THANK YOU. 
          UM, I AGREE. 
          WE NEED MORE INFORMATION. 
          UH, LIKE MR. CAMPBELL STATED, UH, I THINK, UH, THE AGREEMENT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY VETTED. 
          UM, I HAVE A DIFFERENT AVENUE OF, UH, OF CONCERN WHEN IT COMES TO THE WATER QUALITY THAT MONTGOMERY COUNTY PUTS OUT COMPARED TO WHAT WE PUT OUT WITH THEIR WATER SOFTENING COMPARED TO OURS AND RECENT EPA STANDARDS. 
          UM, AND WHAT TYPE OF LONGTERM, UM, ISSUES THAT COULD CAUSE IF THAT EVEN RAN THROUGH OUR PIPES FOR A HALF A DAY. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY, WHAT TYPE OF CONTINGENCIES THAT WE COULD, UM, INSTILL IN OUR, IN OUR OWN PLANT. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK DEFINITELY MORE RESEARCH, THOROUGH RESEARCH NEEDS TO BE MADE. 
          UM, I MEAN, 
          [01:05:01]
IF WE'RE LOOKING TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, A 1.8 TO, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR $5 MILLION, UM, I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY A TIME WHERE WE NEED TO KIND OF PUMP THE BRAKES AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE OUR DUCKS IN A ROW. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WEBB. 
          I NEVER GOT YOUR ANSWER. 
          YES. 
          I SAID I AGREED WITH THE PRIOR TUESDAY FROM COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL AND COUNSEL THEM WELL, THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, MR. HILL, THANK YOU. 
          UM, YEAH, I AGREE THAT I THINK WE NEED MORE INFORMATION. 
          I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO GET US STUCK INTO SOMETHING WITH DAYTON THAT COULD CAUSE ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD. 
          SO I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN SHAUN, COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL ABOUT THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND KATE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          YES, I CONCUR. 
          I THINK WE JUST NEED TO EDUCATE OURSELVES THE BEST WE CAN BEFORE WE SPEND HER, HER TAXPAYER'S MONEY. 
          AND IT'S, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. KILMER THAT, UH, WE WANT TO PUT A SKID ON THE, UH, INTERCONNECT RIGHT NOW AND LOOK INTO HIRING SOMEONE TO, UH, DO A, UH, MORE IN DEPTH ANALYSIS OF, OF AN INTERNAL OPTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANYONE ELSE? ANY MORE COMMENTS? ALRIGHT. 
          UH, THE NEXT, UH, ITEM IS 
          [  Request For Proposals - Trash Hauling]
THREE. 
          I REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL ON TRASH HAULING. 
          UH, RUSS ACTUALLY A SCOTT'S GOT THIS ONE, SORRY AT YOUR, IS SCOTT. 
          YES. 
          UM, OUR TRASH HAULING CONTRACT HAS NOW IT'S COMING TO AN END FOR OUR FIRST CONTRACT. 
          UH, IT ENDS ON JUNE 30TH OF 2021. 
          SO WE'RE AT THAT POINT TO, UH, DECIDE OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITH THE NEXT STAGE OF IT. 
          SO I PUT A, IN THE PACKET, A DRAFT RFP, UM, AND THAT'S, UH, JUST A DISCUSSION POINT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR LEGISLATION ON MONDAY'S MEETING YET. 
          UM, BUT, UH, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR FOR THE NEXT ROUND. 
          AND, UH, TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE PREVIOUS EIGHT YEARS. 
          UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS, UH, OVER THIS TIME, UM, WE WENT WITH THE BIWEEKLY RECYCLING. 
          UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WANTING TO DO MORE RECYCLING AND BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT AS A WEEKLY THING. 
          SO, UH, AT THE PREVIOUS ONE, WE DID PUT THAT AS AN OPTION SO THAT THEY, THE BITTERS WOULD PUT PRICES ON EITHER WAY. 
          AND THEN THAT DECISION CAN BE MADE AT THE END. 
          ONCE YOU SEE THE PROPOSALS, UM, ALSO ABOUT A SENIOR DISCOUNT, UH, ACUTE CONTINUE TO INCLUDE THAT AS A, THE OPTION IN THERE. 
          AND THEN ALSO BILLING BILLING HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS AS WELL. 
          UM, HAVING THE, THE HAULER BILL OR HAVE US DO THE BILLING, OR THERE WAS THE OPTION OF PUTTING THINGS ON THE, UH, THE TAX BILL AND HAVE IT, UH, JUST A GUARANTEED, UH, PAYMENT THROUGH THE PROPERTY OWNER ITSELF. 
          UM, AND THEN JUST HAVE THE HAULER JUST PICK UP WHATEVER'S AT THE CURB NO MATTER, UH, NO MATTER WHAT, WHETHER THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH PAYMENT OR NOT. 
          UM, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THE, THE TOPICS THAT, UH, UM, WE'VE RUN THROUGH THAT WOULD BE OPTIONS IN THE RFP WE HAVE HAD, UH, UM, OVER THE EIGHT YEARS, WE'VE HAD SIMILAR TO EVERY OTHER CITY, SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT, OH, HEY, YOU MISSED MY HOUSE HERE AND THERE. 
          UM, THAT HAPPENS, UM, WITH EVERY HOLLER AT SOME POINT IN TIME. 
          UM, BUT, UM, SO OVERALL, UM, THINGS HAVE BEEN GOOD. 
          THERE WERE A COUPLE, UH, INCIDENTS THAT, UH, WE GOT THROUGH WITH THE, WITH THE CHANGEOVER ITSELF. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH SOME, UH, SOME MAILINGS ABOUT SOME BILLINGS, SOME COMMUNICATION THINGS WHICH HAVE ALL BEEN, UH, ADDRESSED AND, UH, BEEN RUNNING A LOT SMOOTHER. 
          SO, UM, IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT, HAVE WE EXERCISED ALL THE OPTIONS ON THAT CONTRACT? YES, IT WAS A ORIGINALLY A FIVE YEAR WITH A THREE ONE AN ADDITIONAL THREE YEARS. 
          SO WE'RE AT THE END OF THAT CONTRACT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I NOTICED ON THE LISTING OF THE, UH, THE, THE FACILITIES WHERE YOU WANT TO PICK UP WHERE I DIDN'T SEE FIRE STATION 
          [01:10:01]
25 ON THERE, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S UP TO DATE THERE. 
          AND ALSO, UM, ARE WE PROVIDING FOR THE 10 NEW, UM, UH, SHELTERS AND THE TRASH CANS THAT WILL BE THERE? WELL, ACTUALLY THERE'S NINE NEW ONCE A WEEK. 
          UM, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S UP TO DATE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SCOTT? ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, IS THIS, YOU WANT THIS ON THE AGENDA OR WE'RE JUST A DISCUSSION POINT. 
          NOW THIS WAS JUST DISCUSSION POINT. 
          UM, THIS WILL, UH, COME UP ON THE AGENDA FOR AN ACTUAL LEGISLATION LATER THIS YEAR. 
          WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. 
          THIS IS JUST SO, UM, TO PUT THIS OUT TO YOU, IF, UH, YOU HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR IDEAS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, LET US KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ANY MORE, ANY COMMENTS? OH, I HEARD THE END IS AT THE MR. WEB. 
          I CAN'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I CAN'T SEE HIM TODAY. 
          IT'S ME NANCY FOR SCOTT SCOTT. 
          HOW'S OUR CORN SUPPLIER. 
          GIVEN YOU ANY FEEDBACK FROM THEIR SIDE AS TO PROBLEMS, ISSUES OR THINGS THAT HAVE GONE WALL FOR THEM. 
          UM, OVER THE YEARS, I CAN SAY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, THEY'VE RUN INTO ARE SOME OF THE, UM, WITH PEOPLE, NOT RAPPING MATTRESSES, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO SOME OF THAT'S A LITTLE EDUCATION TYPE THINGS THAT, UH, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PICK UP CERTAIN THINGS, UM, TO MAKE SURE, AND THEN MAKING SURE PEOPLE HAVE THINGS AT THE CURB ITSELF. 
          UM, SOMEBODY MAY COMPLAIN THAT, HEY, THEY DIDN'T PICK UP THIS REFRIGERATOR, BUT IT WAS SITTING NEXT TO THE HOUSE. 
          UH, SO NOT CLOSE ENOUGH. 
          SO, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT, BUT OVERALL, UM, MR. , YOU MAY HAVE MORE INPUT ON THIS. 
          THEY SEEM HAPPY. 
          YEAH, I, I DO THEIR, THEIR, UM, THEIR MAIN ISSUE THAT THEY'VE HAD PRETTY MUCH FROM THE ONSET IS PAYMENT. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE, THEY SEE A BAD DEBT RATIO HIGHER THAN THEIR OTHER ACCOUNTS IN HIGHER THAN WHAT THE AVERAGE WOULD BE. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IN BIDDING OPTIONS, UH, REGARDING COLLECTIONS, CAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT MODELS TO BE USED. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, HAS CAUSED THEM, UH, SOME SIGNIFICANT ISSUES AND LOSS OF REVENUE ON THEIR END. 
          AND IT'S EVEN WITH AN AIR BED. 
          I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND YOU IT'S HIGHER HERE IN WOBURN THAN EVER COMMITTED. 
           I STILL DIDN'T QUITE HEAR TIRES. 
          NO, NOPE, NOPE. 
          I UNDERSTOOD. 
          SHE, SHE SAID, IS IT IT'S HIGHER HERE IN HUBER? UM, IS THAT BECAUSE OF COVID THAT IT'S A HIGHER RATE OF, UH, NO, NOT, NOT AT ALL. 
          THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE SINCE WE CAN ALL RECALL, UM, A COUPLE OF PRESENTATIONS IN COUNCIL REGARDING A COLLECTION AND BILLS AND CHANGEOVERS AND STUFF. 
          SO YES, THIS HAS BEEN A, UM, AN ISSUE PRETTY MUCH SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE, OF THE CONTRACT FOR, UM, FOR PAYMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, CAN I HAVE THE ONE THING THAT, UM, THAT I WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FOCUS ON IS, UH, IF WE TALK ABOUT INCREASED RECYCLING, I'M UNDER, I'VE READ HER BANK ABOUT COMMUNITY, REALLY, UM, GETTING STICKIER ABOUT RECYCLING AND PEOPLE PUTTING, UH, IN THE CONTAINER THING. 
          HE'D BEEN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING WASHING THERE'S GUARDS OUT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO IF, IF WE LOOK AT, WE NEED TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ADD MORE TO THE REQUIREMENT, SO THAT STUFF DOESN'T ULTIMATELY END UP GOING IN THE TRAIL, THAT ROOTS LIFE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, UH, PROJECTS THAT CAN BE MANAGED THROUGH US AS MEMBERS OF SOLID WASTE DISTRICT RECYCLING. 
          CERTAINLY ISN'T AN ISSUE. 
          THE COST OF IT IS, UM, GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY FOR THE TRASH HAULERS, THE, UH, UH, THE MURPHS, UH, THERE'S ONE MAIN ONE DOWN IN CINCINNATI AREA. 
          UH, THEY'RE LIMITED AS TO WHAT THEY CAN AND WILL ACCEPT NOW. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, UH, GLASS AND IN THINGS SUCH AS THAT, UH, WE'RE NOT EXPORTING RECYCLING MATERIALS. 
          LIKE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, TWO, THREE, FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          SO, UH, IT REALLY IS MANAGING A COST THING. 
          [01:15:01]
UH, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO LANDFILL EVERYTHING. 
          YOU STILL WANT TO RECYCLE AND RETURN THOSE GOODS BACK INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          UM, BUT THE, UM, UH, THE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD, I HAVE SOME PLANS REGARDING THAT. 
          THERE'S ALREADY SOME PROGRAMS OUT THERE WHERE YOU BASICALLY GET STICKERS AND TAGS AND TRACKING AND, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES AND, AND IT ALL COMES, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY AT A COST. 
          SO, UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT ALWAYS AFFECTS THE RATE THAT THE CUSTOMER OR CONSUMER PAYS FOR TRASH COLLECTION. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT IN EVALUATING THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, BUT IT'S BASICALLY GOING TO BE UP TO THE RESPONDENTS TO PROVIDE, UH, PLANS FOR HANDLING THE INCREASED COST OF RECYCLING. 
          UH, WHICH INCLUDES PART OF THAT COST IS THE CONTAMINATION OF RECYCLING. 
          AS YOU MENTIONED, PEOPLE PUTTING THE WRONG STUFF IN, UH, SO THAT'LL ALL, HOPEFULLY COME OUT IN WHATEVER PLANS WOULD BE PROVIDED FROM THE, UH, THE TRASH HAULER. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. WEBB. 
          YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION OR FOLLOW UP IN WA BLOPS. 
          UM, ONE THOUGHT HE JUST IMPLEMENTED ANOTHER TWO STRIKES YOU'RE OUT WITH THEIR RECYCLING, WHICH WOULD IMPACT HOW WE WILL BE DOING BILLING, BECAUSE IF THAT WHOLE, OR HAVEN'T GOT ENOUGH ABOUT RECYCLE PROPERLY, OR YOU GET TWO STRIKES AND THE TRASH ISN'T PICKED UP ANYMORE, THAT'LL BE A CONTRACTUAL ISSUE OFF TO DEAL WITH. 
          BUT, WELL, AND I ALSO AGREE WITH THE RECYCLING. 
          I COULD USE RECYCLING EVER WHERE YOU, AND LITERALLY, BECAUSE THE TWO OF US TRASH PICK UP EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS, IT WAS GROSS, BUT ALL RECYCLING EVERYWHERE. 
          WE FILL OUR GUM AND OVER FOR HIM. 
          I SEE ANOTHER MAN. 
          I'M NOT HIS HAND UP. 
          I CAN'T SAY WHO SAID IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT THEN. 
          YEAH. 
          ROB SHOMER. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE AN IDEA GOING INTO THIS NEXT, UH, CONTRACT PERIOD. 
          UH, AND THAT'S CONSIDERING WHERE WE STARTED EIGHT, NINE, 10 YEARS AGO WITH TRASH, AND I'VE, I'VE HEARD EVERY, I THINK, COMPLAINT AND ISSUE THAT COULD EVER BE RAISED REGARDING TRASH. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, STAFF AND REPUBLIC TRASH HAS ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS EVERY ONE OF THOSE. 
          AND, AND I REMEMBER THAT, UH, SOME PEOPLE WOULD PAY AS HIGH AS $90 A QUARTER. 
          I THINK THE LOWEST WAS ABOUT $65 A QUARTER. 
          AND I THINK REPUBLIC CAME IN AT ABOUT $30 A QUARTER, BUT RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S MORE TO THIS THAN PRICE, UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO AS A COMMUNITY, UH, WE WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED TO REPUBLIC TRASH. 
          WE KNOW WHAT SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS ARE, ROB, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE STAFF'S CONCERNS ARE WITH TRASH. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE MAYBE SURVEY OUR RESIDENTS AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. 
          UH, SEE, SEE IF THE PROGRAM IS EVEN OF THEIR LIKING AND IF IT IS, WHAT DO THEY LIKE ABOUT IT? WHAT DON'T THEY LIKE ABOUT IT? AND I THINK THAT INPUT GOING INTO THE NEXT CONTRACT NEGOTIATION WITH THE NEXT TRASH HAULER, UH, COULD BE VERY HELPFUL. 
          AND I SAY THAT TO YOU ROBIN ALSO, SCOTT, WHO SET THIS UP, I'M SORRY. 
          SURE. 
          BUT, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION AS A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE HEARD FROM STAFF, WE'VE HEARD FROM COUNCIL, WE'VE HEARD FROM REPUBLIC NOW LET'S FORMALLY, UH, HEAR FROM OUR RESIDENTS. 
          CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO, SCOTT, ROB. 
          SURE. 
          YUP. 
          PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. 
          YES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN DO IT. 
          THERE'S INFORMAL AND FORMAL, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONING A FORMAL STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT THE REDUCTION FACTORS AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          UH, OR EVEN AS INFORMAL AS A SURVEY MONKEY ON, ON THE WEBSITE, I VENTURED HAD TRY TO NOT MAKE IT A SOCIAL MEDIA EXPERIMENT BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY INVALID AND IT JUST BECOMES A GRIPE SESSION. 
          SO I THINK SOME, UM, PROBABLY GET SOME ASSISTANCE TO TARGET SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO REALLY IDENTIFY, 
          [01:20:01]
UM, YOU KNOW, AREAS OF ISSUES AND CONCERNS AND ALSO AREAS OF, OF SUCCESS AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DESIGN THOSE QUESTIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT GOOD MEASURABLES TO THEM, I THINK WOULD BE VERY, VERY VALID. 
          I, I KNOW QUITE OFTEN WHEN WE GO TO THE TAXPAYERS, THE CITIZENS AND WE ASK THEM ABOUT PROJECTS, UH, THE OUTCOME AND THE EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN VERY POSITIVE. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE DONE TRASH HAULING WITH A SINGLE HOLLER LONG ENOUGH. 
          UH, I KNOW ALL THE POSITIVES, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT HELPS, UH, DAMAGE OUR ROADS LESS, UH, THERE'S SOMETHING BETTER. 
          UH, YOU COULD ADVOCATE FOR HAVING ONE HAUL OR ONE TRASH COMPANY UP AND DOWN THE STREET EACH WEEK, BUT THERE THERE'S GOTTA BE CONCERNS OR EVEN COMMENTS THE CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO RAISE. 
          AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A REAL BENEFIT IF WE ASKED, GOT THAT RESPONSE AND THEN DID SOMETHING WITH IT AND THE INTERIM COUNCIL. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAVE A, UM, ONLY A SUGGESTION. 
          NOPE. 
          I, WE, WE HAVE, UH, AN INTERN THAT'S COMING ON BOARD AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, SO THAT'D BE A PERFECT WAY TO, UM, TO HAVE A PROJECT ASSIGNED THERE. 
          GREAT. 
          YES, MA'AM MR. SHAW WAS FACED. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I, UH, AGAIN, UM, UH, MR. CAMPBELL, UH, STOLE A PART OF MY COMMENT. 
          I COULDN'T AGREE MORE THAT A, I BELIEVE A TYPE OF A REVIEW BY OUR RESIDENTS. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT IS VALID. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY IN MY OPINION, IF WE WENT OUT TO FACEBOOK, TWITTER, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, IT WOULD, UH, NOT GARNER THE RESULTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S A VERY TARGETED, UM, THAT HAS A VERY, UH, UM, A VERY PRECISE SET OF QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD OBTAIN ACTUAL INPUT FROM NUMBER TWO. 
          AND, UH, SCOTT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE FOR YOU OR ROB. 
          UM, IN PAGE 11 OF THE REPORT, IT SPEAKS TO THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS HOUSEHOLD COUNT FROM THE 2010 CENSUS DATA WILL THEN CHANGE IN YOUR OPINION WITH THE UPCOMING CENSUS DATA THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RECEIVING IN MARCH OR APRIL. 
          COULD THAT POTENTIALLY CHANGE, OBVIOUSLY, IN MY OPINION, WE'RE GOING TO SEE HIGHER NUMBERS THAN THAT. 
          UM, COULD THAT CHANGE THE OVERALL PRICING THAT WE WOULD BE RECEIVING FROM THE LAST CONTRACT? WELL, WE WON'T HAVE THAT BY THE TIME THIS NEEDS TO GO OUT TO BID. 
          UM, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE THEIR PRICING STRUCTURE BASED ON WHAT WENT OUT. 
          SO IT'LL WOULD BE ADJUSTED AFTER WE'VE RECEIVED THAT'LL WORK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THIS IS FOR SCOTT ONLY BECAUSE I PROBABLY WOULDN'T REMEMBER IF I WERE DOWN TO CALL AND TELL YOU, UM, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BLOWING, THERE'S BEEN MANY INSTANCES WHERE I'VE ANSWER PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK ABOUT HER POSSIBLY ONLINE. 
          I DO THE AUTOMATIC MONTHLY BILLING WITH REPUBLIC SPERRY USING MAYBE A WAY TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO USE THE AUTOMATIC BILLING WOULD BE, I HEARD A SENIOR DISCOUNT, MAYBE AN INCENTIVE FOR SIGNING UP FOR THE AUTOMATIC BILLING WOULD ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO DO THAT. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S A, DON'T FORGET THAT ONE IT'S REALLY EASY, BUT THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO IT OTHER THAN IT'S A SIMPLE, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER HAND UP. 
          UH, YES. 
          UM, MS. BERG, UM, I WANTED TO ACTUALLY TACKLE ON TO MR. WEBB'S POINT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF REPUBLIC SERVICES, UM, YOU KNOW, IS OUR NEW TRASH VENDOR, UM, AFTER THE RFP OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. 
          UM, I THINK A GOOD WAY TO DO THAT INCENTIVIZING, UM, AND MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE IS STRAIGHT FROM OUR CITY APP, UM, TO GIVE RESIDENTS THE EASY, UM, ELECTRONIC METHOD OF MAKING THAT AVAILABILITY OF QUICK, EASY PAYMENTS AND EVEN PAYMENT REMINDERS, UM, THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, GO BOTH WAYS THROUGH THERE. 
          UM, EVEN VICE VERSA WHEN IT COMES TO ROUTE SCHEDULES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          UM, I KNOW I GET HIT UP A LOT WHEN IT COMES TO HOLIDAYS. 
          HEY, IS, UH, IS THE TRASH OFF A WEEK OR A DAY OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. 
          IS 
          [01:25:01]
THERE A SPECIAL ALERT OUT? THOSE ARE GREAT THINGS THAT WE CAN SEND THROUGH OUR, UM, OUR CITY APP, UM, TO OUR RESIDENTS TO GET THAT COMMUNICATION GOING BOTH WAYS. 
          I DON'T, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE TRASH HAULER AND OBVIOUSLY FOR US AS, AS A CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HOW THAT CAN WORK ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYMORE. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          WELL, UM, WE'LL WAITING FOR YOUR NEXT UPDATE. 
          UM, GOT THE NEXT STEP. 
          THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, THREE 
          [  Rip Rap Park - Parking Lot Paving - Award Contract]
J RIP RAP PARK, PARKING LOT PAVING AWARD, UH, OUT AGAIN, THE PARKING LOT DOWN AT RIP RAP PARK, UM, GETS FLOODED, UM, QUITE A BIT AND AS AN, A, A, A BAD STATE OF DISREPAIR RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, UM, UH, MR. KING WENT OUT AND, UH, GOT SOME QUOTES AND TALK TO SOME, UH, VENDORS ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REPAVE THAT AND REPAIR, UM, NOT JUST A STRAIGHT, UH, REPAVING, BUT, UH, LOOKING AT DOING SOME BASE WORK AS WELL, UH, TO FIX SOME OF THE DAMAGE DOWN THERE, UM, BECAUSE OF, UH, SOME OF THE, THE WEAR AND TEAR AND, UH, THE, THE FLOODING ISSUES AND, UM, JUST THE, THE AGE OF THAT PARKING LOT. 
          AND, UH, CAME BACK WITH, UH, THREE QUOTES ON THAT. 
          AND WAGNER PAVING WAS THE LOWEST OF THOSE. 
          UM, THIS IS, UH, FOR, UH, UH, $39,850 WAS THEIR QUOTE PLUS SOME ADDITIONAL, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY MAY FIND WHEN THEY, UM, ACTUALLY DIG IT OUT, UH, POTENTIAL OF OTHER REPAIRS. 
          SO OUR REQUEST IS FOR A, NOT TO EXCEED 45,000 TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, UH, REPAVING THAT, UH, PARKING LOT. 
          UM, AND, UH, THERE IS MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO DO THAT. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD REQUEST TO BE ON MONDAY'S AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IS THERE ANY DRAINAGE THAT THEY CAN PUT IN THERE TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF IT? UM, AND THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NOT BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE TO DRAIN TO, SINCE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE RIVER ITSELF, UM, THAT IT'S THE RIVER THAT HAS CAUSING THE FLOODING. 
          AND SO ANY ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE WOULD JUST BACK UP INTO IT. 
          UM, SO WITHOUT THE EXTREME EXPENSE OF RAISING IT COMPLETELY, UM, BUT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE JUST HAVE TO MAINTAIN. 
          HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE ROOF REPLACED IT LAST TIME? UM, I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME WE REPAVED THAT TO, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE DONE IT IN MY TIME HERE, WHICH IS OVER 11 YEARS. 
          SO JOSH JUST MESSAGED ME SAYING IT'S BEEN OVER 25 YEARS. 
          WOW. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I HOPE WE GET ANOTHER 25 YEARS OUT OF THIS PARTY OUT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANY, AND ANY QUESTIONS FOR SCOTT? OH, I SEE SOMEBODY NAMED TAN. 
          YES, GO AHEAD. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, JUST GO AHEAD. 
          I GUESS, INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW, UM, HOW IN THE WORLD WE'RE HAVING SUCH A DISCREPANCY IN BIDS FROM 39,000 TO 107,000. 
          IS THERE SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY MISSED OR, OR IS IT A QUALITY OF WORK? UM, HELP ME OUT HERE. 
          SO I WENT THROUGH THE, THE, THE DETAILS THAT THEY PROVIDED, WHAT WAS ASKED OF THEM IS BASICALLY JUST SAYING, HEY, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO FIX THIS PARKING LOT? SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT OF MATERIALS FROM THEIR OWN MEASURING. 
          SO I WENT AND KIND OF DID SOME OF MY OWN RECALCULATION THAT, OKAY, YOU WERE A LITTLE HIGHER BECAUSE YOU HAD AN ADDITIONAL 80 SQUARE YARDS OF SOMETHING. 
          IF YOU COMPARE THAT BACK DOWN TO THE OTHERS, DOES THAT BRING THEIR COSTS DOWN? AND IT DIDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO IF IT WITH LESS MATERIAL, THAT'S PART OF IT. 
          UM, AND THEN PART OF IT IS JUST KIND OF AN ASSUMPTION ON MY END ON ONE OF THE, THE, THE HIGHEST ONE THAT, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK OUT THERE. 
          AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE BID A LITTLE HIGHER, UM, THAT IF THEY GET THE WORK, THEY'RE GLAD TO GET IT. 
          UM, BUT THEY MAY NOT NEED IT AS MUCH. 
          SO, UM, THERE MAY BE A LITTLE MORE PROFIT IN THERE AND, UH, THESE TYPE OF COMPANIES, UM, ALL DO PREVAILING WAGE WORK ANYWAYS, NO MATTER THE SIZE OF THE JOB. 
          SO THIS IS PREVAILING WAGE FOR, FOR ALL THREE OF THE CLUBS. 
          IT'S GOT A FOLLOWUP TO THAT. 
          UM, FOR THOSE WHO MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, I'M OBVIOUSLY 
          [01:30:01]
IN THAT PARKING LOT THERE AT RIP RAP IS, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, A KIND OF A CITY STORAGE, UM, BUILDING, UM, WHAT IS THE LONGTERM GOAL OF THAT BUILDING? UM, I'M HONESTLY, I'M NOT SURE, UM, WHAT THE LONG TERM IS. 
          UM, I, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF, UH, WHERE A STORAGE BUILDING IS THERE AND NOW WE'RE, YEAH. 
          I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT, UH, BUILDING TO THERE, THE OLD FIREHOUSE, PERHAPS. 
          YES. 
          OH, RIGHT. 
          WELL, THE PARKING LOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ACTUALLY AT THE, UM, IN THE OTHER AREA. 
          YEAH, NO, I, I W Y WAS ON THE TOPIC, I WAS IN THE FORM OF RIP RAP. 
          I WAS ASKING FOR BOOK BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A TOPIC THAT WE'D HAD A LONG CONVERSATION AGO WITH PATCH STEVENS AND THEIR GROUP. 
          SO WHY WE WAS ON THE ROAD OF RIP RAP. 
          I FIGURED I'D JUST BRING THAT UP AS WELL, BECAUSE I HAD BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH HER ON ANOTHER PROJECT DOWN IN RIP RAP. 
          AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY TOUCH BASE ON THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          I DIDN'T MOVE ON YET. 
          UM, BUT, UM, I, I KNOW PUBLIC WORKS, UH, CURRENTLY USES THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT OF STORAGE AND EVERYTHING, BUT FROM A LONGTERM AND, UM, WE'RE ALWAYS UP FOR SUGGESTIONS OR, OKAY. 
          UM, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE'LL BE IN COMMUNICATION ON. 
          UM, I KNOW THERE IS A BUSINESS OWNER DOWN THERE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO SOME, UM, CAPITAL, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVEMENT AND, UH, AND, UM, I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY GET A GOOD BANG FOR OUR BUCK AND, UH, HAVE A NICE RENOVATION DOWN THERE, UM, ON RIP RAP, NOT ONLY WITH THIS PROJECT, UM, WITH THE NEW PARK THAT WE JUST DID A DOWN THE ROAD. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          SOMEONE ELSE HAVE A HAND UP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, THEN THIS'LL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY. 
          THE NEXT ITEM 
          [  Supplemental Appropriations]
IS THREE K SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS, MR. BELL, GOOD EVENING, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UH, I HAVE, UH, JUST, UH, ONE SMALL MATTER TONIGHT, UH, UH, FOR THE SUPPLEMENTAL AND, UH, WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR WHEN WE SET UP THE 2020 BUDGET. 
          UH, WE KNEW THAT, UH, ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE WAS BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD WIDENING AT THAT TIME, WE WEREN'T SURE JUST LIKE THIS YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ANOTHER ISSUE TO PROJECT, UH, THIS DID GET ISSUE TO FUNDING, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A PLACEHOLDER IN THE BUDGET FOR IT. 
          SO IT WAS PUT INTO THE BUDGET IN THE FORM OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND. 
          AND SO WITH THIS SUPPLEMENTAL, I'M ASKING YOU TO MOVE IT OVER TO THE, UM, ISSUE TO FUND WHERE THE REVENUES WILL COME IN FOR IT. 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR A $250,000 GRANT AND A $250,000 LOAN. 
          SO OVER HALF OF THE TOTAL PROJECT OF 960,000 IS BEING PROVIDED BY, UM, WELL, PART OF IT IS ALONE, BUT IT'S 0%, 0% LOAN ON THAT. 
          SO, UM, WHAT I'M ASKING HERE IS THAT YOU REDUCE THE $960,000. 
          THAT'S IN THE CURRENT BUDGET, IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND, YOU INCREASE THE, UM, ISSUE TO FUND. 
          AND THEN, UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, AS THESE ISSUE, TWO PROJECTS THAT I BROUGHT TO YOU BEFORE, UH, WE NEED MONEY TO UPFRONT THOSE COSTS, UH, BEFORE WE ASKED FOR REIMBURSEMENT. 
          SO I WOULD ASK THAT THOSE WOULD BE AN ADVANCE COMING FROM THE, UM, WELL, PART OF IT IN ADVANCED PART OF A TRANSFER FROM THE GAS TAX FUND. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE. 
          SO THAT IS THE, UH, ONLY ITEM I HAVE FOR TONIGHT. 
          SUPPLEMENTAL, DO WE NEED TO PASS THAT NEXT MONDAY? YES. 
          YES. 
          I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING THAT MONDAY, I BELIEVE. 
          UM, UM, RUSS AND HIS STAFF NEED TO GET WORKING ON SOME EXPENSES ON THIS, SO THEY WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE, UH, READY TO BE APPROPRIATED IN THE PROPER FUND. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ANY COM ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM? OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          ANY OBJECTIONS TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY? ALRIGHT. 
          THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. 
          UH, 
          [  CARES Act Expense Declaration]
THREE L CARES ACT EXPENSE DECLARATION, MR. BELL. 
          UH, YES. 
          I TALKED TO TONY EARLIER TODAY. 
          UM, UH, I, I, MIGHT'VE BEEN RUSHING A LITTLE BIT TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, UM, BECAUSE, UH, WE GOT SOME MORE, UH, UH, CHARISMATIC MONIES, OBVIOUSLY. 
          UH, BUT I'D RATHER WAIT MAYBE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING OR THE ONE AFTER THAT, UNTIL WE, UNTIL I CAN FINALIZE THE EXACT FINAL DOLLARS SPENT IN ALL AREAS OF ACT. 
          NOW, THIS IS JUST ONE ANOTHER DECLARATION OF THE EXPENSES BEING NECESSARY. 
          AND I'D RATHER COME BACK TO, UH, WHEN WE HAVE THE FULL, UM, 
          [01:35:01]
LAST DOLLARS TO SPEND. 
          UH, THERE'S JUST A, THERE'S A FEW ITEMS THAT ARE, UM, ENCUMBERED THAT MAY NOT BE THE FULL EXPENSE, UH, WHEN THEY'RE FINISHED. 
          AND SO I'D RATHER NOT DO ONE NOW AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN. 
          SO WHEN IT CAN HAVE A FINAL NUMBERS TO YOU, I'D RATHER COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, NOW HERE'S THE WHOLE, ALL OF THE DOLLARS THAT WE RECEIVED, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DECLARING AS NECESSARY EXPENSES TO COVER ALL THOSE DOLLARS. 
          AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T. 
          WE REALLY HAVEN'T UNTIL I BELIEVE IT'S NOVEMBER 20TH TO, UM, TO HAVE THAT FINISHED. 
          I SUBMITTED, UH, THE FIRST, UH, TODAY I SUBMITTED THE FIRST SET OF, UM, UH, EXPENSES THAT WE'VE DONE, UH, IN THEIR PORTAL AND THEIR FINANCE PORTAL. 
          AND SO THERE'S STILL MORE DOLLARS THAT ARE ENCUMBERED. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE BIG END CONFERENCES IS THE TOUCHLESS FEATURES THAT ARE GOING IN A LOT OF CITY BUILDINGS. 
          SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT COMES IN AND IT BECOMES IN SHORT OF THE ENCUMBRANCE, THEN WE NEED TO SPEND THAT MONEY ELSEWHERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE GOT THREE, THREE DISBURSEMENTS, RIGHT? UNDER THE CARES ACT. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          YOU HAVE TO BE ENCUMBERED BY NOVEMBER. 
          YES. 
          EITHER SPENT OR ENCUMBERED. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH IN SALARIES THAT I CAN POINT THAT MONEY AT. 
          BUT, UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, ROBIN, UM, OTHER STAFF MEMBERS TO, UM, HAVE AS MANY EXPENSES AS POSSIBLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE TRULY COVID TYPE EXPENSES, PPE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THE TOUCHLESS FEATURES AT THE MUSIC CENTER THAT'S IN THERE. 
          AND, UM, AND, UH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF REIMBURSEMENTS THAT, OF THINGS THAT WERE SPENT BACK IN MARCH, APRIL, MAY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ONSET OF THE CORONAVIRUS. 
          UM, THIS IS KIND OF A LITTLE OFF TOPIC, BUT WHEN DO WE EXPECT TO GET THE NEXT GAS TAX DISBURSEMENT? WELL, WE GET THOSE MONTHLY AND, UM, IT IS, UM, WE'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A DROP IN THAT, BUT ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT WE'RE SEEING INCREASES OVER WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. 
          SO IN THE LAST HALF OF 2019 WAS WHEN WE STARTED GETTING THE INCREASE THAT WENT INTO EFFECT. 
          AND I'M LOOKING AT THE VERY FIRST DISBURSEMENT IN SEPTEMBER. 
          I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT TOOK A DIP DURING THE CORONAVIRUS MONTHS, SAY MARCH, APRIL, MAY, AND JUNE, UH, THIS SEPTEMBER'S, UM, MONIES THAT CAME IN WERE JUST SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN LAST SEPTEMBER. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT THEY'RE BACK TO A GOOD NORMAL LEVEL, AND I'LL BE BUDGETING REVENUES ACCORDINGLY IN THE 2021 REVENUE BUDGET. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BELL? ALRIGHT, WE'LL PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY. 
          UH, I KNOW THAT ITEM DOES NOT NEED TO BE ON THE AGENDA. 
          OH, I DID THE CARES ACT. 
          NO, WE'RE GOING TO I'LL BRING THAT BACK TO EITHER THE NEXT MEETING OR THE ONE AFTER THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ITEM 3M, 
          [  Issuance of Notes  * Property Acquisition - City Administrative Offices]
ISSUANCE OF NOTES. 
          YES. 
          UH, THE NEXT THREE ITEMS, UH, M UM, WELL, ACTUALLY THEY'RE ALL THREE UNDER M UH, THESE ARE, UH, NOTE ISSUES TO TAKE CARE OF THE COSTS OF THE, UM, PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO OTHER EXPENSES IN THERE FOR A DEMOLITION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND, UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, OUR BOND COUNCIL, CHRIS BRONSMAN AT SQUARE PATTON BOGGS. 
          AND, UH, UM, AND THEN BRIAN ALSO WAS TALKING TO HIM ABOUT HOW THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE, UM, UH, DIFFERENTIATED. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, UM, TWO OF THESE NOTE ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE TAX EXEMPT. 
          ONE IS GOING TO BE TAXABLE. 
          UH, THE ONE THAT'S TAXABLE, THE $4,370,000 ONE IS BECAUSE IT'S FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES. 
          UM, THE TWO THAT ARE TAX EXEMPT ARE FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, WHETHER IT BE FOR GOVERNMENT FACILITIES OR POTENTIAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES, UH, WHEN IT'S A GOVERNMENT PURPOSE, THEN IT CAN BE A TAX EXEMPT. 
          AND, UM, THOSE, AND, AND REALLY THE RATES ARE SO SPECTACULAR RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE'S A, THE A ONE YEAR NOTE RATE RIGHT NOW FOR A TAX EXEMPT IS ESTIMATED TO BE 0.5, 5%. 
          THAT'S 0.55%. 
          AND EVEN THE TAXABLE RATE IS 0.7. 
          SO EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT RATES TO BE TAKING ON DEBT AT THIS TIME. 
          AND, UH, AND OBVIOUSLY THE, THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS NOW IS TO JUST TAKE IT OUT ONE YEAR AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT ONE YEAR FROM NOW. 
          MAYBE WE, UM, MAYBE THAT LAND GETS SOLD, UH, TO A DEVELOPER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE IT OUT LONGTERM. 
          THERE'S NO REASON TO TAKE IT OUT ALL THESE THREE OUT LONGTERM NOW, UNTIL WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE, UM, MOVING FORWARD. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF BRIAN OR ROB WANT TO HAVE ANY MORE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THAT, BUT, UH, THESE NOTES NEED TO BE, 
          [01:40:01]
UM, APPROVED MONDAY NIGHT ON EMERGENCY THE, UH, THE PRICING, UH, IN THE MARKET WOULD TAKE PLACE ON NOVEMBER 4TH WITH, UH, FINAL, UH, FUNDS RECEIVED BY US AROUND NOVEMBER 18TH, KEVIN MR. BELL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST WOULD LIKE TO, UH, I KNOW YOU MADE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT IT, BUT THESE, THESE DOLLAR AMOUNTS DO INCLUDE WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING AS COST FOR DEMOLITION AND REMEDIATION AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF THERE THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING ADDITIONAL COMING DOWN THE PIKE LATER ON ON THIS STUFF. 
          I BELIEVE THAT, UM, UM, BRIAN AND ROBERT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE, UH, POTENTIAL EXPENSES THAT COULD HAPPEN, THAT I WANT TO REMIND YOU TOO, THAT THIS ALSO INCLUDES REIMBURSING FOR, UM, THE MARION MEADOWS PURCHASE, A PROPERTY THAT WAS PURCHASED, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR, AS WELL AS, AS ADDITIONAL EXPENSES THAT WILL BE NEEDED THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN THAT CASE, THEN THAT AMOUNT IS NOT AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT, BUT A REPLACEMENT AMOUNT. 
          YES, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, WE, AT THAT TIME, WE REDUCED THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE, UH, AND TOOK SOME OF THE BALANCE FROM THE, UH, THE TED THE TRANSFORMATIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND. 
          AND SO THOSE MONIES WOULD GO BACK INTO, UH, AND AT THAT TIME IT WASN'T ADVANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND $2.6 MILLION. 
          SO THESE PROCEEDS WE'LL GO INTO THE TED FUND. 
          AND THEN THE TED FUND WOULD BE RETURNING THE ADVANCE TO THE GENERAL FUND OF $2.6 MILLION. 
          AND THAT WILL HELP OUR DEBT RATING NEXT YEAR, UH, TO NOT SHOW SUCH A LARGE DECREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE, THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS KEEPING OUR CURRENT DEBT RATING, WHICH I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD DO, UM, NEXT YEAR WE'LL MAYBE GO LONGTERM ON, UH, SOME OF OUR OTHER DEBTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, JIM. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. 
          UM, THEN DIESEL GO TO, UM, TO THE, AGAIN ON MONDAY FOR PASSAGE, UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS 
          [  2021 City Budget]
THREE N FOR 2021 CITY BUDGET. 
          BRIAN, THANK YOU. 
          MA'AM UM, SO TONIGHT, UM, WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS, UH, JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH BASE WITH COUNCIL REGARDING ON THE 20, 21 BUDGET AND WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT, UM, AS WE GO FORWARD THROUGH THIS PROCESS, VERY SIMILAR TO THE PRESENTATION THAT, UH, I GAVE LAST YEAR. 
          SO ABOUT THIS TIME. 
          SO I'M WANT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A SIMILAR PRESENTATION, AND I TOLD HER TO PULL THAT UP HERE AND, UH, WHILE I'M DOING THAT, UH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT LET'S SEE HERE, RIGHT. 
          CAN EVERYBODY SEE THAT? OKAY. 
          UM, SHOULD SAY 20, 21 BUDGET PREVIEW. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE NOTE HERE, ANYTHING. 
          SO I'M GOING TO ASSUME WE'RE OKAY. 
          SO I'M GOING OVER MY NOTES FROM LAST YEAR. 
          UM, AND SOME OTHER THINGS, OH, I TELL YOU WHAT, LET ME, UM, I BET I COULD PROBABLY DO THAT. 
          UM, HOW ABOUT HERE WE GO. 
          HOW ABOUT WE DO THIS SHARE CONTENTS NOW LET'S TRY IT. 
          HOW'S THAT? NOPE. 
          NOPE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, ON THAT CASE, YES. 
          LET ME, HEY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I KNEW I'D GET IT RIGHT ONE OF THESE TIMES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE 20, 21 BUDGET PREVIEW ON THE SCREEN. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, GOING TO TRY AND MAKE THIS QUICK, UM, GET THROUGH, UM, A LOT OF, UH, KIND OF LEADING INFORMATION RELATIVELY QUICKLY. 
          UM, AND, UH, UNLIKE LAST YEAR I PROMISE THIS YEAR I WILL NOT BE, UH, BORING YOU WITH, UM, AN AMOUNT OF WORD COVERAGE IN THE SLIDES. 
          UH, WE'LL WORK FROM JUST SOME HIGH NOTES AND, UM, AND SOME BASE COMMENTS. 
          SO, UM, A QUICK LOOK BACK LAST YEAR, AGAIN, THIS TIME WE WERE SITTING AROUND, WE WERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, UH, WITH COUNCIL AND WE TALKED ABOUT TWO THINGS, A FISCAL MANAGEMENT POLICY AND A BUDGET FORECASTING, AND THE VALUE OF BOTH, UM, AS WE BUILD BUDGETS AND WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE AND WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          SO NOW THAT WE'RE HERE, UH, IN THE FUTURE, UH, 12 MONTHS FROM WHERE WE WERE, WHEN WE FIRST HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS, UM, THE FISCAL MANAGEMENT POLICY HAS BEEN STARTED, UH, BUT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO FINISH IT, UH, TO 
          [01:45:01]
SUPPORT THIS BUDGET SIMPLY BECAUSE WE HAD TO PUT THE BRAKES ON, UM, AND DEAL WITH, UH, THE IMPACTS OF THE CORONAVIRUS AND THE VARIETY OF WAYS THAT IT IMPACTED OUR ORGANIZATION. 
          SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET STARTED ON, LIKE I SAID, SOME FOUNDATIONAL EFFORTS. 
          SO WE BUILT SOME, UH, WE BUILT SOME INITIAL THEORY, RIGHT? WE PUT TOGETHER SOME ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTS OF WHAT THAT, UH, OF WHAT THAT POLICY MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, AND WE WERE GETTING READY TO BEGIN PUTTING IN, UM, UH, NUMBERS AND VALUES IN TEST RUNNING FORMULAS TO SEE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE BEFORE, UH, THE CORONA VIRUS PUT A STOP TO THAT. 
          SO, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO PROGRESS, AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE BACK FOR YOU, UH, 12 MONTHS FROM TODAY. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WE, UM, HAD SPOKEN ABOUT, UM, WAS, UH, THE FORECASTING. 
          AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER THE FORECAST AND WE DID SHARE THAT WITH YOU LAST TIME. 
          UM, AND THE MODEL THAT WE HAD PUT TOGETHER, UH, WE HAD PREDICTED A SMALL DEFICIT AND I APOLOGIZE THAT THIS CAME OUT AS A PERCENTAGE, BUT, UM, THE MODEL THAT WE HAD PREDICTED, UH, WAS A DEFICIT SPEND OF RIGHT AROUND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, WHERE WE ARE AS OF, UH, LAST WEEK WAS WE WERE TRENDING AT ABOUT $230,000, UH, DEFICIT SPEND NOW, UH, BASED ON, UH, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT JIM AND I HAVE HAD, UH, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT JIM IS SEEING. 
          WE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR, WE WILL GET CLOSER TO A BALANCED BUDGET SITUATION. 
          SO, UM, IF ALL THINGS REMAIN EQUAL, WE SHOULD FALL SOMEWHERE BETWEEN OUR INITIAL PREDICTION OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND, A DEFICIT SPEND TO A BALANCED BUDGET. 
          SO A LOT OF FACTORS STILL IN PLAY. 
          UM, A LOT OF THEM RELATIVE TO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE CORONAVIRUS IMPACTS AS WE ROLL THROUGH THE END OF THIS YEAR. 
          UM, BEFORE WE CAN GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER, BUT, UH, OUR MODEL IS IT'S TURNED OUT TO BE FAIRLY ACCURATE NOW. 
          OH, SURE, SURE. 
          UM, WE, YEAH, LET ME, UM, LET ME PULL THAT ALL RIGHT. 
          I AM DOWN HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO, LET ME PULL UP THIS PRESENTATION HERE ONE MORE TIME, AND THEN JUNIOR, WHERE YOU WANT THEM TO BE WHEN YOU NEED THEM TO BE THERE. 
          UH, SEE WHERE WE GO. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WANT TO, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IS THAT A RETURN TO, CAN EVERYBODY SEE THAT? OKAY. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND SO IF WE GO TO SLIDE SHOW FROM THE BEGINNING, ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S SKIP AHEAD. 
          WE'VE COVERED THE INTRO. 
          WE COVERED THE QUICK LOOK BACK, AND NOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS SLIDE ON THE BUDGET FORECAST. 
          UM, AND SO AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF RECAP. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELL THEN I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST TALK TO IT AND YOU'LL HAVE THE UNFORTUNATE CONSEQUENCES OF, UM, SEEING MY SMILING FACE AS WE, UH, AS WE GO OVER THIS. 
          UM, SURE. 
          SO, UM, UH, AGAIN, UM, OUR INITIAL FORECAST WAS TWO. 
          JIM IS ABOUT, UH, LOOKS LIKE, UH, WE WILL BE, UM, RIGHT AROUND THAT MARK, IF NOT THAT ORIGINALLY PREDICTED MARK OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DEFICIT TO BALANCE. 
          SO OUR CONDITION IS IMPROVING IN THAT WAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, EARLIER IN THIS MEETING AND, UM, TO SOME EXTENT WITH THE BUDGET, UH, OUR COVID RELATED, AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CARES ACT, UM, EARLIER, UH, JUST TO TOUCH ON, ON THAT, UH, THE CARES ACT IS BROUGHT IN THIS YEAR ABOUT 2.2, $4 MILLION IN REVENUE TO OUR BUDGET, UH, RELATIVE OR OFFSETTING EXPENSES SO FAR THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED A TOTAL, ROUGHLY 
          [01:50:01]
1.7 MILLION. 
          SO THERE'S A ROUGHLY HALF A MILLION DOLLAR GAP. 
          UM, IN OTHER WORDS THAT WE HAVE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS WITH A CARES ACT MONEY TO APPLY TOWARDS ONGOING EXPENSE, UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT YET CALCULATED OR TABULATED FOR. 
          SO WHEN YOU TAKE THAT DEFICIT SPEND CONDITION THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT WHERE WE ARE, AND WE ADD IN THAT CARES ACT, YOU CAN SEE HOW WE CAN QUICKLY GET TO ZERO. 
          UH, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER TWO AND A HALF MONTHS WORTH OF, OF REVENUES COMING IN OR REDUCED REVENUES COMING IN, UH, AND THEN RELATIVE EXPENSES OCCURRING. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET TO ABOUT THAT ZERO POINT. 
          SO, UM, SO THE CARES ACT THAT MONEY THAT WE'VE SEEN, SOME OF THE SPENDING CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE INTERNALLY HAVE REALLY HELPED TO KEEP US ON TRACK, UH, WITH OUR 2020, UM, PROJECTIONS, UM, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS JUST CRAZY YEAR. 
          SO, UH, THIS CRAZY YEAR ALSO, UH, IS GOING TO SET UP OF A CRAZY 2021. 
          SO BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR, UH, WE ARE PREDICTING TO HAVE REDUCED REVENUES IN 2021. 
          AND, UH, JUST TO TOUCH ON A FEW OF THOSE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, INCOME TAX, UM, BEING DOWN ABOUT $1.7 MILLION RELATIVE TO 2019, UH, AND THAT IS ON PAR WITH EARLIER MODELING, UM, HOTEL MOTEL TAX. 
          UH, WE PROJECT WILL BE DOWN ABOUT 50% OR DOWN ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          UM, CONCERT REVENUES. 
          UH, WE ANTICIPATE WILL BE DOWN ABOUT, UH, $950,000. 
          AND OF COURSE THIS IS AGAIN, ALL RELATIVE TO 2019, UM, AND INTEREST INCOME WILL ALSO BE DOWN AS A RESULT OF IMPACTS FROM THE MARKET, UM, UH, IN 2021. 
          AND THAT'LL BE DOWN ABOUT $120,000, 125, ALRIGHT, ALLISON DOLLARS. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE WE'RE OR KIND OF GOING TO START OFF THE YEAR WITH, UH, WITH ONE LEG TIED BEHIND HER OR ONE ARM TIED BEHIND OUR BACK, UM, W WHEN WE'RE GETTING OUT OF THE GATE WITH REVENUE. 
          SO, UM, WE WERE HOPEFUL THAT THESE ARE OVERLY CONSERVATIVE, BUT THEY ARE BASED ON TREND DATA THAT WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. 
          UM, ALL OTHER INCOME WE PROJECTED AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, WILL BE RELATIVELY STABLE GOING FORWARD THROUGH, UH, THE NEXT MONTHS. 
          UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS WE DO EXPECT IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS RELATIVE TO THE BUDGET AND TO OUR FISCAL CONDITION. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED, UM, JUST MOMENTS AGO ABOUT SOME OF THE DEFICIT, OR EXCUSE ME, NOT THE DEFICIT, SOME OF THE REDUCED REVENUES, UH, THAT, UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING, UM, W WE DO ANTICIPATE HAVING TO TOUCH OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNTS, UH, TO SOME DEGREE, UH, TO PAY BILLS IN 2021. 
          UM, WE ARE EXPECTING SOME EARLY UPS AND DOWNS, UH, AND OUR 2021 BUDGET. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING READY TO COME UP ON. 
          UM, WE'RE GETTING READY TO COME UP ON A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. 
          THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO AFFECT, UM, MARKETS AND TRENDS AND CONSUMER CONFIDENCE. 
          UH, SO WE'RE GOING TO EXPECT TO SEE THAT, UH, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'LL HAVE TRANSITIONED FROM ONE FISCAL YEAR INTO ANOTHER FISCAL YEAR, UM, AMIDST THE FULL IMPACT OF THE CORONA VIRUS. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S GONNA AFFECT A LOT OF THINGS, UH, RELATIVE TO REVENUES AND EXPENSES. 
          UM, HUH. 
          HOWEVER, ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS FIRST QUARTER OF 2021, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK IN FAMILIAR, UH, PANDEMIC GROUND, RIGHT? SO MARCH AND APRIL IS WHEN, UH, THE REAL IMPACTS OF CORONAVIRUS CAME ON US LAST YEAR. 
          AND SO WE ANTICIPATE AND SUSPECT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT, WE ARE NOW BACK IN FAMILIAR TERRITORY. 
          AND SO THINGS WILL BEGIN TO STABILIZE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME COMPARATIVES, UM, TO WHERE WE ARE IN 2021, WHERE WE WERE IN 2020. 
          SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO START LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE, RIGHT? WHAT IS THE END OF 2021 GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHAT IS THE START OF 20, 22 GOING TO LOOK LIKE? AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO REFOCUS ON THE FUTURE, UH, STARTING IN QUARTER TWO, UH, OF 2021. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I WANT COUNCIL TO KNOW, AND I WANT COUNCIL TO, TO, TO CONSIDER AND HOLD TO THE IDEA THAT WE ARE OUR OWN CREATURE. 
          WE ARE OUR OWN AND BEING, YOU KNOW, IN GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW, THE FUNCTION IS UNIVERSAL. 
          AND SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO COMPARE OURSELVES, HOW ARE OTHER GOVERNMENTS DOING? WE ARE OUR OWN ECONOMY, WE HAVE OUR OWN UNIQUE MAKEUP, AND WE ARE IMPACTED UNIQUELY TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND TO ALL OF OUR COMPARATIVES. 
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SO, UM, WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES YOU MAY HEAR, UH, ARE GOOD OR BAD, BUT THE BAD IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE HEAR ABOUT A NEW CYCLE. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE YOU HEAR IT IN ONE PLACE, OR BECAUSE YOU HEAR IT IN TWO PLACES DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IT HERE IN HUGER, BECAUSE WE ARE OUR OWN COMMUNITY. 
          WE HAVE OUR OWN ECONOMY. 
          UM, AND SO WE ARE IMPACTED DIFFERENTLY THAN ANY OTHER COMMUNITY THAT WE MIGHT COMPARE OURSELVES TO. 
          SO, UM, KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE ROLL THROUGH, UH, 20, 20 TO 2021, BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FOR EVERYBODY FOR A LITTLE WHILE LONGER, UM, LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR. 
          UM, SO WE ANTICIPATE PROVIDING COUNSEL A HARD COPY OF THE BUDGET, UM, AT YOUR, UH, OCTOBER 26 MEETING. 
          SO YOU CAN TAKE THAT DOCUMENT AND YOU CAN REVIEW AND EVALUATE THAT, UM, IN ADVANCE OF THE NOVEMBER 3RD WORK SESSION, WHICH WILL BE YOUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR INPUT AND QUESTION, UH, ABOUT THE DOCUMENT NOVEMBER NINE WOULD THEN BE THE FIRST READING, UH, WITH NOVEMBER 17 WORK SESSION VIA OPTION TO, OR OPPORTUNITY TO FOR COUNCIL INPUT AND DISCUSSION, UH, REGARDING THE BUDGET, UH, FOR A FINAL READING ON THE 22ND SO OF NOVEMBER. 
          SO IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES OR CONCERNS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED BY COUNCIL, AND EITHER ONE OF THOSE WORK SESSIONS, THE THIRD OR THE 17TH, THERE IS AMPLE TIME FOR US TO BE ABLE, UH, TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS PRIOR TO THAT NOVEMBER 22ND FINAL READING. 
          UM, AND IF THOSE CHANGES NEED TO BE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES, WE DO HAVE THAT MEETING IN DECEMBER THAT WE CAN PUSH, UH, THE FINAL READING TOO, SO THAT COUNCIL'S COMFORTABLE WITH A DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER. 
          SO, UM, THAT IS THE PRESENTATION IN, UH, IN SHORT AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR, UH, FOR NOT HAVING, UH, NOT HAVING THAT, UH, PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, BY MY POLISH NATURE, UH, SOMETIMES I AM A WITH TECHNICAL CHALLENGES, SO, UH, MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, UH, THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE REGARDING ANY OF THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE SHARED TONIGHT, UH, REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, FOR YOU, BRIAN, UM, UM, THE, UM, IS IT'S THIS SUPPOSED TO BE A, UH, VERY ESTIMATE OR 2021? I'M SORRY. 
          ONE MORE TIME IS FOR, IS THIS CONSIDERED A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE OF WHERE WE WILL BE FOR 2021? YES. 
          MA'AM BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GAVE YOUR BRIEFING LAST TIME, OF COURSE WE DIDN'T HAVE COVID, WE DIDN'T HAVE, UH, THE GAS TAX, UH, WE DIDN'T TO ANTICIPATE NOT GETTING THE ROSE INCOME. 
          UM, SO I CAN SEE WHERE SOME OF THE SHORTAGES THAT YOU IDENTIFIED THIS YEAR ARE TENUOUS. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT IF WE GET THE CORONAVIRUS UNDER CONTROL, THAT WE COULD HAVE A ROSE MUSIC CENTER, UH, SEASON THIS YEAR, WHICH WOULDN'T, UH, WOULDN'T ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF THE 950,000 THAT YOU MENTIONED, UM, THAT THE, UH, GAS TAX WOULD ALSO, UH, DO THAT, UH, BRING IN. 
          AND I SUSPECT IF, IF THE PANDEMIC GOES, WE WILL CONTINUE TO GET CARES FUNDING, WHICH, UM, WOULD PROBABLY CONTINUE TO HELP US A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S DEPENDING ON THE ELECTION TOO. 
          UM, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I DIDN'T HEAR YOU ADDRESS, WHICH I'VE HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT IS THAT THEM CHANGING THE, UH, PROCESS, UH, FOR, UH, HOW THEY TAX PEOPLE SINCE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE TELEWORKING. 
          NOW THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THEIR TAXES PAID, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE THEY'RE LIVING, NOT WHERE THEY'RE WORKING, YOU KNOW, CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WE ARE, UH, EFFECTIVELY, WE'RE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THIS INSTANCE, MOST OF OUR FOLKS EXPORT FOR THEIR WORK, RIGHT? SO THEY WORK OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY. 
          AND IN OUR PARTICULAR INSTANCE, UM, OUR NUMBER ONE SUPPLIER, OUR NUMBER ONE, UH, JOB CATEGORY IS GOVERNMENT. 
          MOST OF OUR FOLKS WORK AT THE BASE. 
          SO THEY'RE BEING TAXED, NOT WHERE THEY WORK, BUT WHERE THEY LIVE RIGHT TO BEGIN WITH. 
          AND MOST OF OUR, UM, MOST 
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OF OUR LARGE EMPLOYERS, UM, ARE ALL, UM, ARE ALL, UM, IN THE MANUFACTURING COMPONENT OR IN THE TRANSIT AND LOGISTICS. 
          SO THEY ARE PHYSICALLY WORKING IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO TO MY COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE OUR OWN ENTITY, WE ARE AN ECONOMY, UM, BECAUSE OF JUST THE NATURE OF OUR LOCAL ECONOMY, WE ARE NOT OVERLY CONCERNED BY THAT CHANGE, THAT POTENTIAL CHANGE IN THE TAX LAW. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPORT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IN PARTICULAR, THE HIGH END OR THE, THE TECHNICAL JOBS THAT CAN BE REMOTELY, UM, DATE AND WOULD BE LARGELY IMPACTED, KETTERING WOULD BE LARGELY IMPACTED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T IMPORT THOSE TYPES OF JOBS HERE. 
          WE EXPORT OUR LABOR. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT, WHICH WAS, UH, UH, WHICH IS WHY IT'S NOT BEEN A FACTOR IN THE CONVERSATIONS AND THE CONSIDERATIONS WE'VE PUT TOGETHER IN OUR BUDGET. 
          WHAT ARE YOU ESTIMATING TO BE THE PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTS AT WORK AT RIPERT? UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          I'D HAVE TO PULL OUT THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE ON FILE DOWNSTAIRS IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE. 
          BUT I CAN SAY THAT, UM, IT IS RIGHT. 
          PATTERSON IS OUR NUMBER ONE EMPLOYER BASED ON THE INCOME TAX FILINGS THAT, UH, THAT WE HAVE FROM, UH, THE TAX OFFICE, UM, TRACY AND HER FOLKS. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RYAN NANCY? I DO. 
          OKAY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE BRIDGE, UH, BETWEEN WHERE WE'RE AT NOW AND WHERE WILL BE AFTER COVID, UH, GOING INTO SOME OF THE RESERVES, CORRECT. 
          VERSUS ANY TYPE OF SPENDING CUTS. 
          UM, I, CAUSE YOU KNOW, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY SPENDING CUTS, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          UM, AND, UH, YEAH. 
          AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY, UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THOSE AREN'T THINGS THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER OR RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING, I THINK THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO RELAY IS THAT IT'S TRYING TO FEED THE BRIDGE BASED ON OUR RESERVES. 
          AND YOU THINK THE, YOU THINK THE BRIDGE IS SHORT ENOUGH THAT THE RESERVES WILL CARRY US CORRECT. 
          AND THESE THINGS LOOK TO OCCUR OR WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT, THAT THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, DEFICIT SITUATIONS MAY OCCUR. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF THESE. 
          SO, UH, LET ME, LET ME PUT SOME CLARITY OR SOME DEFINITION AROUND WHAT, WHAT WE'RE THINKING HERE, RIGHT? SO WE MAINTAIN A SPECIFIC RESERVE LIMIT, UM, WITHIN THE GENERAL FUNDS SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO ISSUE DEBT IN AN AFFORDABLE WAY. 
          AND AS COUNSEL IS WELL AWARE, WE'RE GETTING READY TO ISSUE SOME SHORT TERM DEBT, BUT WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HEAR IS THE LONGTERM DEBT. 
          SO ANY SIGNIFICANT TOUCH TO ANY OF THE RESERVES THAT WE HAVE MOST SPECIFICALLY TO, TO THE GENERAL FUND WOULD IMPACT THE SALE PRICE OF THOSE LONGTERM BONDS, UM, THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE MARION MEADOWS, THE BRAND PIKE REDEVELOPMENT. 
          SO ANY TYPE OF, UM, TOUCH THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY SMALL COMPARED TO THE OVERALL SIZE OF OUR BUDGET. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE IF WE WERE ANYWHERE NORTH OF HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN ANY ONE FUND IN THE SHORT TERM, KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE'RE AN OPERATION THAT RUNS ROUGHLY RIGHT AROUND $80 MILLION OR SO. 
          SO I WANT TO PUT THAT, THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLAR IN CONTEXT AND BRIAN, BRIAN, WE HAVE KEPT FOR YEARS A HEALTHY CASH CARRYOVER FOR REASONS LIKE THIS, CORRECT. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT HERE HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB. 
          THE MANAGEMENT HERE HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE ADEQUATE RESOURCES TO RUN THIS COMMUNITY IN TIMES OF A TIGHT BUDGET. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE THINK ABOUT BORROWING IN, IN JIM, JUMP IN, BUT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT BORROWING, WE GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO ALL THREE FIRE STATIONS, A COURT'S FACILITY, A POLICE FACILITY, CITY HALL, UH, ACQUIRING THE WATER UTILITY IN 1995. 
          AND IF THEY'RE NOT PAID OFF, WE'VE ASSESSED OUR BOOKS AND THERE'S REVENUE STREAM AMPLE ENOUGH TO COVER THE DEBT SERVICE ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS. CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU'RE MUTED, BUT YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND ROB, COULD YOU, COULD YOU SHARE WITH US SOME OF THE DEPTH THAT WE'VE TAKEN ON IN THE LAST DECADE FIVE YEARS, AND WE WE'VE POINTED TIF REVENUE TO OFFSET 
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THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE BORROWED HAS STAFF RESEARCHED, UH, IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO AND IDENTIFIED THAT YES, THIS PROJECT IS FULLY PAID FOR BY ADEQUATE TIFF OUT OF THE GROUND, GENERATING ENOUGH INCOME TO OFFSET THE DEBT SERVICE. 
          COULD YOU GIVE US A HIGHLIGHT OR AN UPDATE ON THAT DURING THIS BUDGET TALK? YES, ACTUALLY, THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, UH, QUITE A PART OF IT. 
          WE'VE GOT KIND OF A, I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A SEPARATE PRESENTATION, BUT IT IS. 
          WE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR HERE OVER THE LAST, I'D SAY PROBABLY WHAT BRIAN, FOUR MONTHS. 
          I PROBABLY, UH, IN, IN ACTUALLY TAKING A LOOK AT THAT, UM, SOME OF OUR, SOME OF OUR AGREEMENTS, SOME OF OUR DEBT DEBT ISSUANCES AND OUR PROJECTS, UH, THERE IS NO QUESTION TO HAVE A LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY TO THEM, RIGHT. 
          AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN, UM, VERY SUCCESSFUL, CALCULATED RISKS THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS TAKEN ON. 
          AND PART OF OUR LOOKING FORWARD IS WE WANTED TO, UH, FIND OUT OUR PROGRESS ON THAT. 
          AND, AND THAT IS, THAT IS JUST ABOUT DONE BEING PUT TOGETHER IN A, IN A FINALIZED FORM, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A SNEAK PEEK. 
          AND IN THAT IS THAT THE OUTLOOK IS VERY GOOD REGARDING OUR ABILITY TO POINT REVENUES TOWARDS SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS. 
          AND WE HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE REVENUE POINTED TO SOME OF THOSE, UH, TO SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS SUCH AS THE MUSIC CENTER, SUCH AS THE AQUATIC CENTER, ET CETERA. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE ARE WORKING, AND WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE SOME EXTENDED GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, THAT, THAT HAS CERTAINLY HELPED THAT WE WERE COUNTING ON THAT CERTAINLY CAME. 
          SO, UM, I KNOW A LONG ANSWER FOR YOUR QUESTION, BUT, UM, WELL GIVE ME A SH GIVE ME A SHORT ANSWER. 
          YEAH. 
          BEFORE WE ALL BUST HO HOW ARE WE DOING WITH REVENUE OUT OF THE GROUND TO COVER DEBT SERVICE? LIKE THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, DEBT SERVICE. 
          WE STILL HAVE SOME TO GO LONG AS WE KNOW. 
          AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, BUT LOOKING AT IT, THERE IS AN AMPLE REVENUE COMING OUT, UH, IN COMING THROUGH THE TIF GENERATED FOR COVERAGE OF THAT DEBT SERVICE. 
          SO, SO, SO WHAT'S COVERING THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER WOULD BE PROJECTS WITHIN TIF DISTRICTS IN UBUR HEIGHTS AND THE MONEY THAT WE'RE KEEPING AT HOME, NOT SENDING TO MONTGOMERY COUNTY, YOUR EXPERT HAS IDENTIFIED THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH REVENUE FROM, TO COVER THE DEBT SERVICE. 
          YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AND, OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          NOW THAT'S A BIG, BIG PAT ON THE BACK TO BRIAN AND, AND, AND JIM, THAT IS, THAT'S QUITE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. 
          SO YOUR REPORT RYAN, IS THAT WE NEED TO BRIDGE A GAP BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF COVEN, YOUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO TAP INTO THE CASH RESERVE A LITTLE BIT, GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE ROB. 
          YOU'RE TELLING US THAT THE PLANS THAT WE'VE HAD IN PLACE FOR, IN SOME CASES, DECADES IS PAYING OFF. 
          AND I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT, BUT IS THAT THE CASE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, THE 20, 25 PLAN IS WHAT I'M REFERRING TO AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD A LOT OF THOUGHT AND A LOT OF FINANCIAL RESTRUCTURING AND SOME NEW POLICIES THAT BY COUNSEL REGARDING THAT IN THE APPROACH AND, UH, IT IT'S WORKING. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          AND OUR, AND OUR INCOME TAX, UH, REVENUE WAS GROWING ON, UH, WELL ABOVE WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED AND EXPECTED, UH, WHEN, UH, WHEN THE, UH, CORONAVIRUS CAME, CAME TO ROOST, SO TO SPEAK. 
          AND, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR LOCAL ECONOMY WAS, WAS GROWING ROBUSTLY BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE SEEING FROM THE, THOSE INCOME TAX NUMBERS. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME UNTIL WE CAN RETURN TO THAT CONDITION. 
          BUT, UH, BUT TO YOUR POINT, MR. CAMPBELL, YES, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANY DEFICIT SPEND ANY TOUCH OF THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT IS SIMPLY A BRIDGE TO GET US THROUGH THIS, THIS POINT IN TIME UNTIL, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR ECONOMY IS BACK UP AND RUNNING AND PRODUCING. 
          LIKE IT WAS, UH, JUST UP UNTIL JUNE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUNE OR JULY OF THIS YEAR, RYAN, YOU KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD OR JIM, WHAT MAY BE OUR CASH CARRY OVER AS EACH YEAR, JUST ROUGHLY, WELL, I CAN TELL YOU COMING INTO THIS YEAR, A $10 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND TENANTS, GENERALLY, WHAT ABOUT A TOTAL CASH CARRY OVER? NOT ONLY IN THE GENERAL FUND, BUT, BUT ALL THE MAJOR ACCOUNTS, I BELIEVE IT WAS NORTH OF 40 MILLION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL, CORRECT? UH, IT DEPENDS FROM CITY TO CITY. 
          I MEAN, NO, I MEAN, THIS CITY, THIS CITY IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT MAY, IT MAY RANGE FROM 40 TO 45 MILLION, IS THAT CORRECT? TRUE. 
          YES. 
          YES, 
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NO. 
          WE WENT THROUGH SOME HARD TIMES. 
          I MEAN, WE HAD GENERAL FUND CARRY OVER AS LOW AS ABOUT $3 MILLION. 
          UH, WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO BUILD THAT OVER TIME. 
          AND OF COURSE THE, THE, UH, THE INCREASE IN THE INCOME TAX BACK IN 2015 WAS A BIG HELP TO THAT. 
          AND SO WE'VE BEEN VERY GOOD STEWARDS. 
          THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN EXCELLENT STEWARDS OF THE FUNDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GROW THAT GENERAL FUND BALANCE AND, UH, HELP US TO GET BETTER DEBT RATINGS WHEN WE DO GO OUT. 
          AND, UH, AS BRIAN AND ROBERT HAVE ALLUDED TO THE NEXT YEAR, WHEN THE SHORT TERM DEBT COMES DUE, THE $8 MILLION ON THE, UH, THE ROSE, UH, WE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT LONGTERM. 
          WE NOW HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE ZIP REVENUES COMING IN TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT LONGTERM. 
          HEY, JIM, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE? WHAT YEAR DID YOU GET HERE? UH, 1111. 
          SO THAT WAS RIGHT IN THE MIDST OF THE GREAT RECESSION. 
          UH, JUST FOLLOWING IT. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          2009, 2010. 
          YES. 
          SO WE WE'VE COME A LONG WAY. 
          VERY LONG WAY. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I HATE TO DOMINATE THE DISCUSSION, BUT I, I, COULDN'T BE MORE PROUD OF THE CITY, THE COUNCIL AND THE STAFF. 
          THANKS, BRIAN. 
          THAT'S A GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DESPITE KRONA, COVID-19, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL ON ALL EIGHT CYLINDERS, CORRECT? EVERY ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE CONTINUED TO WORK, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          NO, ONE'S WENT HOME. 
          WE'RE STILL PROVIDING THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE. 
          WE ALWAYS HAVE MY HATS OFF TO EVERYBODY ON THIS CALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST HAVE ONE SMALL CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE COUNCIL. 
          WE'LL FIRST SEE THE DETAILS OF THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION. 
          SO, UM, I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED OCTOBER 26, BRIAN, WHICH WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT TOMORROW. 
          UM, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT QUITE READY TO SEND IT OUT TOMORROW FOR YOUR PACKET ON MONDAY. 
          SO, UM, IT'LL BE CONSIDERED FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HER BRIAN OR KIM. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MA'AM UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS THREE 
          [  City Skate Park/BMX Course - Monita Field]
OH FOUR VMX COURSE MANITA FIELD SCOTT. 
          ACTUALLY, JOSH IS GOING TO TAKE THIS ONE. 
          AND, UH, YOU HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE IMAGE TO SHARE, OR DO YOU NEED ME TO TRY TO PULL IT UP, JOSH? I DON'T HAVE IT WANT TO SHARE IT. 
          UH, IF NOT, WE CAN SEND IT TO THEM LATER. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, START PULLING THAT UP IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, UM, PER THE REQUEST OF THE MAYOR AND YOURSELVES, UH, DID SOME RESEARCH WITH, UM, THE COMPANY THAT HAS ALSO, UH, GIVEN US THE DESIGNS FOR DIAL PARK, UH, AMERICAN, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S AMERICAN RAMPS OR MARRIOTT AMERICAN RAMP COMPANY. 
          AND, UH, THEY SENT BACK SOME DESIGNS BASED ON THE AERIAL PHOTOS OF MONITA FIELD, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DESIGNS, BUT THE ONE THAT SEEMS TO MATCH OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, SIMILAR TO OSBORNE PARK AND FAIRBORN AND COMMUNITY PARK AND MIAMIS BURG, UH, THAT, UH, COMES BACK AT ABOUT 325,000, JUST FOR THE RAMPS. 
          UM, IT'S A 118 FOOT BY 118 FOOT CONCRETE PAD. 
          SO THAT'D BE ABOUT ANOTHER, A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN FOR THE DIRT TRACK, IF WE JUST WANT A COMMUNITY TYPE DIRT TRACK, UH, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, PLAN ON BUDGET AND ABOUT 50 TO 60,000, IF WE WANT AN ACTUAL RACE TYPE TRACK, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING UPWARDS OF A HUNDRED TO 120 FOR THAT. 
          UH, IF ROB CAN FIND THE PICTURE FOR THE DESIGN, IF NOT, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU LOOK UP OSBORNE PARK AND FAIRBORN, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE. 
          THEY'RE COMPOSITE RAMPS, NOT CONCRETE. 
          SO IF SOMETHING DOES BREAK, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TAKE OUT AN ENTIRE CONCRETE STRUCTURE, YOU CAN JUST REPAIR WHAT, UM, WHAT BREAKS, SEE IF I CAN PULL IT UP. 
          JOSH WROTE WITH JAKE A CON, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET A CONCRETE STRUCTURE BREAK? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST, I MEAN, JUST WEAR AND TEAR. 
          I MEAN, CONCRETE DOES TWO THINGS. 
          IT GETS HARD AND IT CRACKS. 
          SO IF YOU GET SOMETHING IN THERE AND IT CRACKS, I MEAN, THEN YOU GOT TO REPAIR IT. 
          SO, I MEAN, HAVE YOU SEEN THE ONE DOWN ON SEVEN 25? I HAVE NOT. 
          IF YOU CAN WORK ON GETTING THAT UP, I REALIZE THAT, UM, MY SCREEN AS WELL, IT IS ATTACHED TO THE LIVE SCREEN, LIVE STREAMING. 
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OKAY. 
          LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT HERE REAL QUICK. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M GOING BACK HERE AND PULL IT UP HERE. 
          GIVE ME ONE SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO. 
          SEE IF I CAN GET THIS TO LOAD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          GO BACK HERE. 
          AND I NEED TO HIT SHARE SCREEN, CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          RIGHT THERE. 
          CAN EVERYBODY SEE THAT? YEP. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE GENERAL LAYOUT OF IT. 
          VERY SIMILAR, LIKE I SAID, UH, OSBORNE PARK IN FAIRBORN. 
          UM, AND, UH, SO THAT PAD, THAT CONCRETE PAD, THERE'S A 118 FOOT BY 118. 
          UM, SCOTT GOT ON, UM, OUR GIS SYSTEM AND KIND OF PLUGGED THOSE MEASUREMENTS AND IT DOES FIT WELL AT MANITA AND THEN JUST KIND OF WORK IN THAT DIRT BMX. 
          UM, HOWEVER, YEAH, HOWEVER WE WANT TO WORK THAT IN THERE. 
          WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK AS WELL. 
          WELL, THAT TAKES OUT THE BALL FIELD, UH, THAT I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT AREA SCOTT HAD THAT LAID IN OR NOT. 
          THEY DIDN'T REALLY GIVE ME A DESIGN WITH OUR, THEY JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE SIZE OF IT. 
          NOW, THE IDEA IS THIS WOULD BE WHERE THE OLD POOL WAS. 
          SO THIS WOULD NOT AFFECT THE BALL FIELDS AT ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, NANCY? YES. 
          J JOSH KING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          NICE WORK. 
          I'M UH, I'M TOTALLY FOR THIS. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE A FINE ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY AND THAT CAN, THE KIDS WOULD HAVE REAL ENJOYMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          I AGREE. 
          AND THERE'S GRANTS OUT THERE. 
          LOTS OF GRANTS FOR THIS KIND OF, SO WE, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE MR. OTTO. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU, NANCY. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK, CAUSE LAST JUNE, JUNE OF LAST YEAR, I'M SORRY. 
          JUNE OF 2019, UH, PRESENTATION WAS MADE AT THE PARKS AND REC BOARD MEETING AND IT WAS WELL RECEIVED FOR THE DIAL PARK, UH, UH, PUMP TRACK AND INTERMEDIATE AND TRACK AND TRAILS AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF. 
          AND IT WAS ACTUALLY PLACED ON THE, UM, PLACE TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE, IF NOT AT THE TOP OF THE PRIORITY LIST FOR THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. 
          ARE WE STILL LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AS WELL? UM, OR IS THAT BEEN SCRAPPED? AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DISTANCE STEP I ASKED BECAUSE THAT, AGAIN, THAT WAS WELL RECEIVED. 
          THE PARKS AND REC BOARD REALLY LIKED THE IDEA. 
          THEY, THEY BACKED UP AND TRUTH BE TOLD OUTSIDE OF GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO RIP RAP OR, OR CANAL LOCK PARK. 
          THERE ARE NO PARKS WITHIN THE, THE BULK OF WARD ONE. 
          THERE WAS NOTHING HERE FOR KIDS TO DO. 
          AND, UH, SO, SO I'M REALLY, REALLY GOTTA BEHIND THAT. 
          AND, AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR THAT, UH, THAT SET UP. 
          AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE, LIKE JOSH, UH, THE TOTAL SCOPE OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR MONITA WOULD, WOULD BE WHAT IT COSTS BASED ON EVERYTHING COMBINED AROUND FOUR 85 WITH JUST THE PRICES HE GAVE ME SO FAR, WHICH IS, I WOULD SAY IF MEMORY SERVES ME, CORRECT, I'VE BEEN MORE THAN, THAN THE, THE DIAL PARK PROJECT. 
          NOT, NOT BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS, BUT I WANT TO SAY IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE THREE, $400,000 RANGE, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          WE'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR BACK FOR THE GRANT ABOUT DIAL PARK. 
          THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THIS MONTH. 
          I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING AS OF YET, BUT DIAL PARK WILL BE DONE IN PHASES AS WELL. 
          UM, SO THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE THING AND OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE LOOK TO, WITH, TO ADD TO THE CIP FOR IN THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          AGAIN, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUES WITH ADDITIONAL FEATURES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MORE WE CAN GIVE OUR, OUR, OUR YOUTH TO DO THE BETTER. 
          UM, BUT I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE, THE DIAL PART PROJECT GO ON ON THE BACK BURNER AND BE FORGOTTEN ABOUT, UM, I PUT IN A LOT OF WORK TO GET A HOLD OF THAT PROPERTY, AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE WITH IT, FOR THE BENEFIT OF WARD ONE. 
          SO JUST TO, UH, JUST, JUST TO ADD TO THAT AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MISRATA A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTLY IS ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          NOTHING WAS PUT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO A BACK BURNER. 
          IN FACT, UH, MANY HOURS AND EFFORT WERE PUT TOGETHER. 
          YOU REMEMBER OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH SOME FOLKS, UH, THROUGH THE DAYTON MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, JOSH WORKED WITH THEM ALSO WORK WITH, UH, INDIVIDUAL, THE VOLUNTEERS, SOME TIME, UH, MATERIALS AND, AND, AND TECHNICAL SKILLS FROM TRIMBLE, UH, IN SOME DESIGN 
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WORK. 
          UH, AND THAT'S WHAT LED US UP TO BEING ABLE TO BRING TO COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT, UH, THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE STILL HOPEFUL IN A WAITING TO HEAR AN AWARD ON. 
          WE, WE FEEL PRETTY HOPEFUL, UH, IN GETTING THAT AWARD. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT PROJECT IS UNDERWAY IS STARTED AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS HAD, IS DESIGNED IN SUCH, AND THIS IS JUST AS YOU PUT IT, UH, SOMETHING KIND OF, UH, IN ADDITION, IN A SEPARATE PROJECT. 
          SO, UH, FOCUS IS STILL ON THE, ON THAT PARK, UH, AND EFFORTS WERE PUT INTO IT AND CONTINUE, AND, UH, WE WILL, UH, WITHOUT A DOUBT, SEE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT, IN THAT PARK AND RECREATION AREA AS WELL. 
          OKAY, EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR JOSH? THANK YOU, JOSH. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          UH, AND THAT ONE, NOW THAT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY. 
          WELL, THERE'S, UM, UH, PROBABLY A LITTLE PREMATURE FOR THAT. 
          UH, WHAT WE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, COUNCIL IS GOOD WITH THIS MOVING FORWARD AS A PROJECT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THAT BRINGS INTO MIND. 
          UM, FIRST QUESTION IS FUNDING. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN THE BUDGET. 
          IT IS CERTAINLY A SIGNIFICANT COST IF WE WANT TO SEEK, UM, UH, ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES, SUCH AS GRANTS, ET CETERA. 
          I KNOW MRS. BERG, YOU SAID THAT THERE'S TONS AND TONS OF GRANTS OUT THERE, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF THING. 
          AND ALTHOUGH WE RUN INTO MANY GRANTS THAT INVOLVE RECREATIONAL COMPONENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT AS PLENTIFUL AND HE'S EASILY TO GET ON A TIMELY TIMELINESS, UH, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE WOULD THINK SO WE WOULD HAVE TO EXPLORE THAT. 
          UM, AND I GUESS IT IS A QUESTION OF, AT WHAT POINT IN TIME DOES COUNCIL WANT TO INITIATE THIS AS A PROJECT? AND THEN WE WILL START HAVING, UH, DELIVERABLES AND A, UM, ACTUAL RESOLVED, UH, TASKS AND ITEMS TO, UH, TO BRING TO COUNCIL FOR, FOR APPROVAL. 
          THIS WAS PRELIMINARY, OBVIOUSLY, NO FINAL DESIGN, NO RFPS ARE PREPARED AND READY TO GO OUT. 
          THIS WAS JUST, HEY, FIND OUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE AND WHAT IT WOULD COST TO TURN THIS INTO A PROJECT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. 
          AND, UH, WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW AT WHAT POINT IN TIME COUNSEL WOULD WANT US TO BRING THIS BACK TO INITIATE IT AS A PROJECT NANCY? YES. 
          ROB SCHOMER, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP? IF WE PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY, MAYBE A FEASIBILITY AND A BUDGET AND SOME IDEA OF WHERE THE FUNDING WOULD OR COULD HAVE COME FROM? YES, EXACTLY. 
          I THINK THAT COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO IDENTIFY ITS INTENT TO GO AHEAD AND SPEND THE MONEY. 
          AND, UH, UM, MUCH LIKE SOME OTHER PROJECTS WE WOULD, UM, EITHER INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE BUDGET AND SEE WHAT ALTERNATIVE FUNDING AVENUES WERE AVAILABLE. 
          BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT TO IDENTIFY IT AS A PROJECT, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE COST AND IDENTIFY WELL, IF WE GO AHEAD AND PUT IT OUT AND HAVE IT DESIGNED, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE MUCH LIKE THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PROJECT, UH, BEFORE WE SPEND THE FINAL MONEY TO INITIATE THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, UH, THE FINAL DECISION FOR FUNDING COULD COME THEN, AYE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          SO WHAT I, OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MR. SCHOMER WOULD, OR, OR, UH, JOSH, WOULD YOU GUYS SUGGEST DOING THIS FACES? YEAH, I THINK JOSH IDENTIFIED TWO DIFFERENT THINGS IN THERE. 
          THE, UH, THE, THE DIRT BMX PARK AND THEN THE ACTUAL SKATE PARK. 
          SO I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT. 
          YEAH, IT CAN BE DONE IN PHASES, BUT, UM, AND AT ONE PHASE IS SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER THAN THE OTHER. 
          SO EITHER WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, 400,000 PLUS DOLLAR COST AT ONE TIME, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE MAIN SKATE PARK PORTION OF IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EXCUSE ME, JOSH? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          MA'AM HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO BUILD THIS? I DON'T KNOW. 
          WE DID. 
          I DIDN'T GET THAT FAR INTO THE DISCUSSION WITH THEM AS TO WHAT THE LOGISTICS WOULD BE. 
          I THINK A LOT OF THE RAMPS COME PREASSEMBLED AND IT'S KIND OF CONCRETE GETS DONE. 
          THEY COME IN AND SET SOME MOUNTING HARDWARE IN, AND THEN THEY JUST START DROPPING STUFF IN PLACE, BUT I DIDN'T GET AS FAR AS INTO THE CONVERSATION AS A TIMELINE WITH THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE TEMPERATURE NEEDS TO BE APPROPRIATE TO AT LEAST POUR CONCRETE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HEY JOSH, COULD YOU GET US A, KIND OF A TIMELINE, 
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A NOTIONAL TIMELINE FROM, UH, AMERICAN RAMP IN TIME FOR A DISCUSSION ON MONDAY? YEAH. 
          I CAN SEND AN EMAIL OUT TO ALEC AND JUST KIND OF SEE IF I CAN GET A ROUGH TIMELINE OF WHAT A PROJECT LIKE THAT WOULD BE START TO FINISH. 
          THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONCRETE PADS, SO HE COULDN'T GIVE ME AN ESTIMATE ON THAT PORTION OF IT, BUT I CAN AT LEAST GET AN ESTIMATE ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PART THAT THEY BUILT. 
          SURE. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY, IF WE WENT FORWARD WITH THIS, WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE THE CONCRETE PAD DONE WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE STRUCTURES TO BE DELIVERED. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, DEPENDING IF WE WENT THE ROUTE OF A GRANT OR NOT AT ALL, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE WENT WITH A GRANT, IT ALL JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE GRANTS STATED, UH, WHEN WORK CAN BEGIN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT YEAH, I WOULD IMAGINE ONCE YOU ORDER, I DON'T THINK THEY JUST HAVE THIS STUFF SITTING AROUND AND IT'S PROBABLY MADE TO ORDER. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          HEY ROB SHOMER. 
          YES. 
          WHO DID THE CONCRETE WORK IN THE BARN? OUR FOLKS DID, IS THERE ANY OF THIS PROJECT THAT OUR FOLKS COULD DO AND HELP CUT SOME OF THE COSTS? THERE? THERE MIGHT BE SOME, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IS, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN TO SEE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FOUNDATION FOR THIS WOULD BE. 
          UM, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT DONE BY THE COMPANY AND PROVIDED TO US BEFORE WE COULD EVALUATE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW MR. CAMPBELL LOOKING AT SCALE, THE BARN WAS ROUGHLY 20 YARDS THAT PAST 172 YARDS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE SCALE IS QUITE A BIT MORE AND WOULD BE QUITE AN UNDERTAKING, I BELIEVE FOR OUR GUYS, BUT I MEAN, THERE MAY BE SOME PREP WORK THAT THEY COULD DO, YOU KNOW, TO GET IT READY. 
          OKAY. 
          I W I WOULD ALSO JUST TO MAKE SURE TO MANAGE EXPECTATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE, WE JUST HAD, DID HAVE OUR BUDGET PRESENTATION. 
          SO WE WERE COUNTING ON THIS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER AS A PROJECT, ALTHOUGH WE COULD START RFPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT AREN'T COST TYPE OF MEASURES, UH, UH, FOR THIS YEAR IN LOOKING AT A, UH, NEXT YEAR ACTUAL EXPENDITURE PROJECT. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO MANAGE THAT EXPECTATION CAUSE NOW I'M HEARING WHAT MRS. BIRD'S COMMENT WAS. 
          WAS THERE AN EXPECTATION THAT WE BEGIN AND TRY TO GET UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND ADD THIS TO THE 2020 BUDGET? UH, IF, UM, IF SO WE KIND OF WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT SOONER THAN LATER, I MEAN THE 20, 21 BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          OUR ASSUMED EXPECTATION WOULD BE TO IDENTIFY THE PROJECT, SEE THE COSTS, GET THE RFPS, THE QUOTES, UH, HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT HAND IS WHAT THE EXACT COST WOULD BE WHILE SEEKING FUNDING AND COUNTING ON IMPLEMENTATION AND FINAL DECISION IN 2021. 
          NOT TRY TO GET IT ALL DONE BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF DECEMBER. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          MR. SHAW, UH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, YES, I HAVE NO PROBLEM SEEING THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD AND, UH, IDENTIFYING IT AS A PROJECT I HAD, UM, MONDAY'S MEETING, I THINK THE NAME TONIGHT TO GIVE YOU PLENTY OF TIME TO WORK WITH JOSH ON, UH, UH, AND MR. SCHOMER AND STAFF ON SEVERAL OF THE GRANTS THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THAT WAY WE CAN, UH, SEE WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT WILL BE IN THE 2021 BUDGET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ACTUALLY I'VE ALREADY PROVIDED AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT TWO, BUT I'LL GO BACK AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN FIND SOME MORE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT, NANCY? I DO. 
          OKAY. 
          HEY JOSH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WHAT IF WE WANTED TO SCALE THE PROJECT TO 200 TO TWO 50? IS THERE ANY CONCEPTS THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE TO US ON THAT BUDGET? YES, WE HAD CONCEPTS RANGING FROM, UH, I BELIEVE JUST WHAT THE SKATE PARK PORTION, UH, THE RAMPS AND STUFF BETWEEN 60,000, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE 325, UH, 60,000 I BELIEVE WAS JUST A HALF PIPE. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS DIFFERENT VARIATIONS IN THERE. 
          SO YES, THERE ARE SOME THAT COULD GREATLY LOWER THE PORTION OF THE COST. 
          YES. 
          AND THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT WAS YOUR COMMENT REGARDING THE YARDS OF CONCRETE. 
          THAT'S A HUGE PAD. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          SO, SO WHEN I SAW YOUR RENDERING, I DIDN'T COMPREHEND ITS SIZE. 
          SO I'M WONDERING IF, IF, IF WE CAN SCALE THAT BACK AND, AND MAYBE PROVIDE SOME 
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OPTIONS LIKE THAT AS WELL, LET ME PULL UP, UH, WELL, I MEAN, I CAN SEND THEM TO YOU. 
          WE'VE GOT A FEW OTHERS. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'VE GOT A FEW OTHERS THAT HE'S SENT OVER WITH PRICING AND STUFF, BUT WE CAN GET THOSE OUT TO YOU GUYS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IN THE, UH, THE PARK IN WARD ONE, UH, I CAME TO THE TABLE TONIGHT THINKING THAT PROJECT WAS UNDERWAY. 
          SO, SO I'M NOT FOR THIS PROJECT VERSUS THAT PROJECT. 
          I'M FOR BOTH PROJECTS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND, UM, ONE THING THAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE US DO IS SCALE IT BACK SO MUCH THAT IT TAKES MOST OF THE CHALLENGE AWAY. 
          UM, IF YOU'VE EVER GONE TO A SKATE PARK, THE KIDS THAT ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THAT WOULD GET VERY BORED IF IT WAS JUST A VERY BASIC PARK. 
          SO THERE MIGHT BE A MIDPOINT IN THERE THAT, THAT I THINK WOULD MEET EVERYBODY'S NEEDS, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE THE MINIMUM ANY MORE QUIET. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THEN WE'LL SQUEEZE SOMETHING ON THIS ON MONDAY ON THE AGENDA. 
          AND THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 
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THREE P THE 2021 CITY COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULES. 
          TONY. 
          YES. 
          I'VE PREPARED THE 2021 COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULES FOR ABOUT THE WORK SESSIONS AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, THIS IS PART OF OUR USUAL PROCESS AND PREPARATION FOR THE COMING YEAR. 
          UM, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE AND GET THESE IN PLACE ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY, UH, THAT ALLOWS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUSH OUT THESE DATES AND ALSO FOR THE CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO BUILD THEIR MEETING SCHEDULES AROUND, UH, THE COUNCIL DATES. 
          SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE REQUEST IS TO HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL ON MONDAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THEN HE'LL BE ON THE AGENDA MONDAY. 
          UM, NO NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY, UH, WE WERE GOING TO, BUT, UM, FOR, UM, PENDING REMANENT LITIGATION, UH, HOWEVER, UM, WE WILL RESCHEDULE THAT FOR MONDAY. 
          UM, UH, WHEN MR. MCDONALD IS ABLE TO, UH, TO BE PRESENT SINCE THE ATTORNEY IS REQUIRED FOR THAT REASON. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WELL, THEN I GUESS, UH, WELL ON THE MEETING.
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