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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road July 28, 2020 6:00 P.M. ]

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THANK YOU.

THIS CASE CAME FOR PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, TWO WEEKS AGO AT THE LAST MEETING, AND THERE WAS A REQUEST BY PLANNING COMMISSION TO, UH, LOOK AT MODIFYING SOME OF THE SIGNS THAT IT WAS TABLED, THAT THE APPLICANT DID COME BACK WITH A COUPLE OF MODIFICATIONS THAT, UM, I BELIEVE, UH, ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY CLINIC COMMISSION.

UM, AND I AM GOING TO .

ARE YOU SEEING A SIGN ON THE SCREEN? OKAY.

SO THEY CAME BACK FOR THE MONUMENT SIGN SIGN.

THAT'S A TOTAL OF SIX FEET TALL AND A TOTAL THAT'S JUST UNDER 75 SQUARE FOOT IN THE AREA FOR A COMBINATION FOR THE SIDE.

SO THIS MEETS OUR STANDARD SIGN CODE FOR BROWN SIGNS.

SO I BELIEVE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES PLANNING, COMMISSIONS COMMENTS, THAT DIDN'T AMOUNT TO MATCH THE SIZE OF THE OTHER SIGNS UP AND DOWN TERRACE HILL ROAD.

IN SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES, IT IS INTERNALLY LIT.

AND THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT RUN UP, BUT THE LIGHTING OF IT AND HOW THAT AFFECTS NOW BEING RESIDENTIAL, MAYBE AROUND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, THIS SIGN IS PURPOSEFULLY OR TO THE STREETS.

SO IT'S THE LIGHT YOU GO UP AND DOWN THE SCREEN, NOT CROSS TO THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE AREA.

THE NEXT SON IS THE BUILDING SOMETHINGS.

SO THEY CAME BACK WITH SOMETHING WILL SMALLER AND THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES.

SO NOW THAT'S A AREA, 191 SQUARE FEET FOR THE MAIN SIGN INSTEAD OF THE 305 VISUALLY THINKS THIS FITS WITHIN THAT, THAT FRAMEWORK OF THE FACADE.

AND LOOKING AT THAT BIT, IT'S ALSO ASKED THAT SORT OF A SMALLER SIGN THAT SAYS LIKE THE FURNITURE AND MATTRESSES FOLLOW IT.

THAT IS ABOUT THAT SAME SIZE, THE, UM, THE MORTAR SIGNS, ORANGE BEING LIT.

AND I'M LOOKING AT, UM, AS PART OF OUR CODE, WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC LIGHTING ORDINANCE.

THERE WERE SIGNS.

WE HAVE A LIFE MOVEMENTS, BUT THE, I LOOKED AT WHAT THE TYPICAL STANDARDS FOR WORK SIGNAGE IS THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE, AND THERE ARE SO MANY CODES AND SPEAK INDUSTRY STANDARD AT NIGHT IS IT'S MEASURED AT A LEVEL NOT TO EXCEED 23 FOOT CAMPOS OVER THE AMBIENT LIGHTING CONDITIONS AT A DISTANCE OF ABOUT 134 FEET IN THE SUN.

AND IT'S BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE SIGN, HOW FAR AWAY THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT, WHAT THAT LIGHTING IS.

OUR ZONING CODE FOR LIGHTING SAYS THAT ALLOWS FOR A MAXIMUM MOTIVATION AT

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THE PROPERTY.

SEE ONE HALF FOOT CANDLE.

THAT'S KIND OF GOING BY BOTH OF THOSE COMBINATION, THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET TO THAT B-LINE IS 264 FEET.

SO IT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE STANDARD OF MEASUREMENT IS THAT.

SO I'VE ADDED THAT TO THE DECISION RECORD FOR MAXIMUM RUMINATION SHALL BE THE 0.5 FOOT CANDLES AT THE FRONT HERE'S RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT MEETS SOME OF THE ATTEMPT ATTENTIVE.

OUR CODE ALLOWS FOR THE SIGNAGE.

I SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, GIVE THEM THE COLOR SCHEME OF THE SUN AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED.

SO I, THOSE ARE THE YEAH.

REVISIONS.

I DID SEE THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL HERE, MR. DRAKE HAS JOINED THE MEETING.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM, IN ADDITION TO MYSELF, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I CANNOT GIVE AN EXACT SIDE OF IT, ALL THAT WE WERE GIVEN TO US, THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT.

WHAT I SENT OUT YESTERDAY WAS A TYPO BASED ISSUE FOR ME.

UM, I SENT OUT TODAY AS ATTACHED TO THE IDEA OF REVISE.

IT JUST, I GOT RID OF THOSE DIMENSIONS AND KIND OF BE A STEP FOR A COURT THAT IT DIDN'T GIVE THE DIMENSIONS.

IT JUST GAVE ME THE AREA.

SO THAT'S TOTALLY MY FAULT THAT A COPY PASTE MADE SOME CHANGES, BUT NOT EVERY CHANGE OR TALKING YOU'RE ON MUTE.

I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE WAS I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT THE TAG LINE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL BROWN LINE THE NEXT STEP WAS JUST TO APPLY FOR PERMITS SO THIS CASE IS THE OLD TGI FRIDAY'S BUILDING.

OKAY.

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SO, UM, THEY ARE LOOKING AT THAT BUILDING AND SPLITTING IT INTO THREE USERS.

UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, THEY ARE NOT LOOKING TO DO ANY SITE MODIFICATIONS.

SO IF WANT AND ACCESS POINTS, WON'T BE IN SENDING.

SO IT'S JUST DEALING WITH THE MODIFICATIONS ITSELF.

SO I'M LOOKING AT SO, BUT THE MAIN INSURANCE WILL BE ONE USER, A SIDE ENTRANCE WOULD BE A NEW MIDDLE USER AND THEN A FUTURE TENANTS AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING IN THREE DIFFERENT SPACES.

SO THIS WILL BE A COUPLE OF NEW DOORWAYS.

UM, THEY MOVED OUT TO FOLLOW A BUILDING AND FIRE COMMENTS.

UM, THE, UH, THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME THAT WOULD BE ONLY SITE TYPE THINGS AS SOME OF POSSIBLE ADA AND ACCESS, UH, DEPENDS ON THE BUILDING CODE COMMENTS FROM THAT, BUT THAT WOULD JUST MODIFY THE SITE FOR THAT.

UM, THEY HAD NO REQUEST FOR SIGNAGE WITH THIS, BUT, UH, I FEEL THAT, UH, WE CAN SET UP THE SIGN CODE FOR THIS BUILDING SENSE OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUS PREVIOUSLY THERE THERE'S STILL THE BASE FOR A AROUND SIGN THAT, UH, MY, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, UH, SIGNAGE, OUR CITY CODE FOR SIGNS PERMITTED FOR BUSINESS INDUSTRIAL, OTHER NON RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE ONE GROUND SIDE THAT A SIX FOOT TALL, 75 SQUARE FOOT, TOTAL, YOU CAN PUT THREE USERS ON THAT SIGN.

THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY SINCE THIS IS IN YOUR SHOPPING CENTER, THE TENANTS COULD BE PUT ON THEIR OR AS WELL.

AND THEN FOR ROLE SIGNAGE, EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT COULD HAVE 75 SQUARE FOOT OF WALL PUNCH, UM, OF , UH, THAT SPLIT INTO TWO DIFFERENT SAMPLES FOR THAT.

SO THE APPLICANT, I DID TALK WITH HIM EARLIER TODAY.

HE WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE THE MEETING TONIGHT, BUT, UH, THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD.

AND I THINK I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

YES, YOU DON'T HAVE A FAST THEY'RE LOOKING TO MOVE ON THIS MAN.

IS THIS, ARE THESE DEALS ALL NON, AS FAR AS SPECTRUM AND BROADCAST, UM, THEY QUICKNESS IS THEY'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED TO THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY BUILDING PORTRAIT.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO GET THE SHELL PERMITS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THESE SPLITS.

AND I DO NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SIGNED PAPERWORK USERS.

SO EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE USERS LISTED ON THIS DRAWING THAT THEY SUBMITTED, THAT'S NOT A GUARANTEE, ANY IDEA ON THE THIRD TENANT OF WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS THEY ARE GOING AFTER, OR IF THEY CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT, IF THERE IS JUST A COMMERCIAL TYPE USER, I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY HAVE ANY YET.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FIVE GUYS.

UM, A LOT OF THE PLACES NOW ARE DOING PATIO TYPE, UM, MISLEADING FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE VIRUS.

UM, WHAT IS OUR REGULATIONS AND STIPULATIONS ON THAT? UM, FROM A TEMPORARY POINT OF VIEW, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED OR OUTDOOR SEATING EQUAL TO THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF INTERIOR SEATING THAT THEY COULD HAVE HAD IF THEY HAD FULL OCCUPANCY, THAT THEY DON'T ALLOW TO UTILIZE OUTDOOR SPACE AND PARKING LOT SPACE.

UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO PRO VIRUS TIMES, IF THEY HAD NOT SEEN A A HUNDRED SEATS AND NOW BECAUSE OF THE EASE OF DISTANCE AND SPACING, THEY CAN ONLY GET 50 SEATS INSIDE.

THEN WE ALLOW 50 SEATS OUTSIDE.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THEY'VE GOTTA MEET FIRE CODES.

AND CERTAINLY THOSE KINDS OF RESTRAINTS, JUST OTHER SPACING.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DO GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AND THAT'S UP, THAT'S ON A TEMPORARY BASIS.

SO NOW WHEN ALL OF THIS IS OVER AND EVERYTHING'S BACK TO NORMAL, IF THEY WANT ANY KIND OF OUTDOOR SPACE, THEY CAN COME BACK THROUGH WITH 800 CHANGE DUMPSTERS AND TRASH ENCLOSURE, SINCE THERE'S MULTIPLE OCCUPANTS AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE MULTIPLE AREAS

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ACROSS THE BACK, THEY ARE PLANNING ON SHARING THAT, THAT SPACE.

SO THE EXISTING SPACE, THEY'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL, SORRY.

SO THIS IS SHARON.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR TRASH RECEPTACLES, WHAT'S IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE WITH FIVE GUYS IN A RESTAURANT TRASH CAN GET PRETTY, UH, PRETTY HEFTY.

SOMETIMES IT WAS A RESTAURANT SHOULDN'T SEE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.

MAY A SMALLER SPACE MIGHT EQUAL UP TO A LITTLE BIT SMALLER TRASH CAN, BUT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT WILL, UH, KEEP TRACK OF.

OKAY, LET ME SPLIT THE THREE BUILDINGS ALL USING THE SAME COULD BE, SO IT BECOMES A PROBLEM.

UM, THEN THEY KNEW THAT CORE, MINOR CHANGE TO REVISE.

OKAY.

THE COMING IN FROM TWO OH TWO TO THE BACKSIDE OF THAT BUILDING THERE.

YES.

WINNING DIRECTION COMING THROUGH.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A HIGHER VOLUME OF TRAFFIC AND TIME.

AND THEN FRIDAY'S IS, UH, AS IS THAT, UH, INTERNALLY.

UM, SO I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD USE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT AND NOT JUST GO THROUGH A SHOPPING CENTER, BUT TO ANALYZE IT, YOU HAVE SHOP ET CETERA, NO QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AS THE LANDLORD THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON BUILDING THAT SPACE.

WE DO HAVE CASES FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, UM, WHICH IS THE SECOND TUESDAY IN AUGUST.

UH, WE HAVE TWO FINAL PLANTS FOR KAREN STRAIGHTER.

OKAY.

THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR THAT.

MEANING THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS THAT, UH, UM, SOME REZONINGS AND SOME MINOR CHANGES, UM, COME WITH AFTER THAT.

SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH IT.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Speech-to-Text.