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THE TOPIC HAS

[ AGENDA CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZENS ACTION COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road April 1, 2021 7:00 P.M.]

ALREADY MENTIONED IS GOING TO BE RACISM IS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.

THE PROPOSED STATE FOR THIS FORUM WILL BE HELD WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 9TH, 2021 FROM 6:30 PM UNTIL 8:30 PM.

AND AGAIN, THIS WAS BASED ON THE AVAILABILITY, UM, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THAT TIME.

AND WE DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS, DR.

MICHAEL DUWAN AND DR.

GOING TO BE, AND AGAIN, WE WANT TO USE WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM OR THIS FORM.

SO MADAM CHAIR ON THE FACULTY COMMITTEE, I LIKED WRITING THEN THE COMMISSION PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE THESE TWO FORUMS ON THOSE DATES.

AND TIMES THAT I JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ARE THESE ARE THESE HYBRID EVENTS WHERE THEY COMPLETELY IN PERSON, THEY CAN BE, THEY CAN BE HYBRID.

AND I DID MENTION FINALLY, LIKE THEY MENTIONED BEFORE IN A PRIOR COMMISSION MEETING THAT WE HAVE A HYBRID FORMAT AND DO FACEBOOK LIVE AS A QUESTION SO THAT THERE WILL BE GREATER PARTICIPATION.

SO YOU CAN DEFINITELY WORK ON THE LOGISTICS FOR THAT.

I KNOW YOU SAID THAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE INVOLVED.

THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION WITH CITY.

SO IS THAT CORRECT? THE FIRST ONE WOULD JUST BE A DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND RESIDENTS OF PAPER HEIGHTS, THE CONDITION AND FORMS IN DR.

CARTER, DR.

BURROW WILL FACILITATE THAT DISCUSSION TO MAKE IT MORE COMFORTABLE TO ENGAGE PARTICIPATION IN THAT DISCUSSION.

ANY QUESTIONS SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

WE JUST HAVE ONE MORE JUST FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES.

YES.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

COOL.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THE REFORM COMMITTEE LAST MEETING ON 22 MARCH, AND WE DIDN'T FOLLOW UP ON THAT, BUT THE MEETING WITH, UH, THE CHIEF, UH, T PLAYING THERE AND THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH HE HAD YESTERDAY, SO IN OUR REGULAR MEETINGS THAT WE HAD ON THE 22 MARCH, UM, OUR FOCUS WAS LARGELY ON THE, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAD.

WE DECIDED TO TABLE WELL FROM THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING.

SO WE WANT TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE, UH, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH SURROUNDED LIKE BY, UH, BY THE CAMERA USAGE AND THE MENTAL HEALTH RESPONSE.

AND SO, SO AS A RESULT, LET US TO, TO SAY WE HAD MORE QUESTIONS.

SO LET'S, LET'S HAVE THIS MEETING WITH THE, UH, WITH THE POLICE CHIEF.

AND SO WE WANT TO ASSESS ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WE SHOULD'VE DID PROBABLY INITIALLY BEFORE WE, YES, YOU BOUGHT THOSE MISSIONS.

SO WE, SO, AND WE TOLD THE, UH, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF THAT WE WOULD MAKE SURE IN THE FUTURE THAT WE PHOTOGRAPH, UH, RENOVATION FOR, WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND GET HIS FEEDBACK FOR YOU FOR, AND SO, UH, SO DURING THAT DISCUSSION, SO THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS SURROUNDING THE, UH, THE COMPLAINT PROCESS AND, AND, AND THE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY HAVING INCREASED TRANSPARENCY IN THAT PROCESS, BY FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING, UH, UH, THEN PROVIDE, UH, PERIODIC STATUS UPDATES, INCLUDING FINDINGS DURING AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION.

UM, BUT, UH, WELL SHE DID POINT OUT, UH, I GUESS WOULD BE THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT DOES NOT EAT ANY SHOW THAT SORT OF A SECTION IN THERE THAT BASICALLY SAID DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC, ANY, UH, ONGOING INVESTIGATION DETAILS.

UM, WHAT HE DID SAY WAS, I GUESS, FOR THE INVESTIGATION ACTIVITY LAST, UH, 30 DAYS AND UPON COMPLETION, UH, UPON COMPLETION OF THAT, THEY, THEY RELEASED THE, UM, THE PAPERWORK, IF YOU WILL, AND WE CAN GO IN AND MAKE IT PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC REQUEST FOR THE REPORT.

UM,

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I DID SAY IN SOME CASES, I GUESS, IN INVESTIGATION, SO THERE COULD BE A, UM, AGREED AGREEMENT SAYING THAT HE FILED, WHICH COULD THEN OBVIOUSLY EXTEND THE INVESTIGATION AND IT COULD GO TO ARBITRATION.

SO IT COULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT, BUT WE BEGIN AT THE END OF THE INVESTIGATION, WE COULD OBVIOUSLY REQUEST A COPY OF THE REPORT.

UH, SO WE DID ASK HIM THE CHIEF, UM, HOW DOES HE SEE C HOW DOES HE VIEW THE COMMISSION'S ROLE IN THIS WHOLE COMPLAINT PROCESS? AND SO, UH, AND HE SHARED WITH US, SEE, HE SAW US AS BEING, ESPECIALLY AS A LIAISON BETWEEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE PERSON THAT'S FILING A COMPLAINT.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT PERSON MAY NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO THEY SHOULD HAVE PLAYING WITH US.

AND WE WOULD THEN OBVIOUSLY BE ADVOCATES AND, AND, AND REACH OUT, YOU KNOW, PLEASE KEEP SAYING WHAT Y'ALL TOLD US, YOU KNOW, TO ME DIRECTLY OR WHOMEVER.

I MEAN, I'M TRIED REACH OUT TO HIM DIRECTLY.

AND WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE COMPLAINT OR WITH SOMEONE ELSE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN WE WOULD, UH, WE WOULD RUN BACK TO OUR INITIAL CONDITION, THAT INVESTIGATION.

UM, SO WHICH WAS GOOD.

WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.

I THINK THE ONLY THING WOULD JUST BE WHAT WE POINTED OUT AGAIN, THE, THE, THE CITY MANAGER, SARAH WAS 70.

SHE DIDN'T MAKE SURE THAT THESE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE COMMISSION COMPLAINT PROCESS THAT'S CLEARLY, UM, WRITTEN DOWN AND DOCUMENTED SO THAT WE HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING AS TO HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO HANDLE THESE, UM, THESE COMPLAINTS WHEN THEY COME IN.

UM, NEXT WEEK, THEN WE GOT TO, SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I DID BRING FORWARD AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT A DRUG AND ALCOHOL TEST BE ADMINISTERED TO, UH, TO AN OFFICER THAT STARTS HIS WEAPON.

AND SO, UH, SO IN TALKING WITH THE CHIEF, HE ACTUALLY POINTED OUT IN THERE, UH, CA UH, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THAT POLICY IT'S ALREADY THERE.

IT SAYS, BASICALLY SAYS THAT THEY MAY ADMINISTER A DRUG OR ALCOHOL TEST IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S COVERED, SO WE'LL NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.

SO, UH, AND THEN THAT'S, WE GOT INTO A DISCUSSION ON THE USE OF, UH, THE, THE BODY CAMERAS, RIGHT.

WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE READ THE LANGUAGE, IT SAID, UH, THE OFFICER MAY TURN ON THE CAMERAS INSTEAD OF SHOUT.

YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING MORE FOR HE SHOUT TURN ON THE CAMERA RIGHT NOW TO ME, YOU KNOW? BUT, UH, SO WHEN HE EXPLAINED TO US IN TERMS OF HOW THE CAMERA'S SYSTEM WORKS IS THE CAMERA'S ACTUALLY ALWAYS ON, AT LEAST IN THE VIDEO PORTION IS ALWAYS ON, AND THE OFFICERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECORD AN EVENT BY TURNING ON THE VOICE PORTION OF THE CAMERA.

RIGHT? AND SO THE WAY IT WORKS TOO, IS WHENEVER THE SIRENS COME ON, I GUESS THEN THEY STOP THE SIRENS ON THE CAMERA SYSTEM, WORKS IN CONCERT WITH THE, WITH THE BODY CAMERA, UH, UH, BODY CAMERAS.

AND SO THE VOICE RECORDING AUTOMATICALLY COMES ON DURING THAT TIME.

SO THE OFFICER HAS TO, IF HE TURNS IT OFF, HE ACTUALLY HAS TO PROVIDE AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY IT TURNS OFF THE CAMERA.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD THERE.

I CAN GET AN EXPLANATION ON HOW THAT WORKS.

CAMERAS ARE ROLLING.

SO THAT'S WHAT ANY INTERACTION WITH THE POLICE IT'S BEEN REPORTED VIA THE BODY CAMERA, RIGHT, RIGHT.

THAT IT CAN, IT CAN OBVIOUSLY DURING THE NON CASUAL INTERACTIONS, RIGHT.

THEY CAN OBVIOUSLY TURN THEM OFF.

LIKE I HAVE ONE, YOU DON'T WANT TO ALWAYS HAVE THEM ON, BUT AGAIN, THE WAY IT WORKS AGAIN, WHEN THEY SAY THEY PULL SOMEONE OVER FOR IT, RIGHT.

IT CAMERA, THE HILL COMES ON IN THE CAR.

THE, ALSO A RECORDING WHEN IT COMES ON IN THE CAR CAMERAS, THE BODY CAMERAS ALSO TURN ON.

OKAY.

UM, SO WE THEN, UH, MOVE ON TO OUR CONVERSATION ON MENTAL HEALTH, MENTAL HEALTH RESPONSE, RIGHT? SO IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION WE WERE CONSIDERING, RIGHT.

WHICH, WHICH TIED TO ENDED UP POINTING OUT LAST TIME WAS THAT THE CITY OF KETTERING INSTITUTED A POLICY WHERE, UM, THEY HAVE A HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL, MENTAL, SOCIAL WORKERS THAT ARE COMPETENT ACCOMPANY THAT DURING A CERTAIN HEALTHCARE, I HELPED HER HEALTHCARE, BUT CERTAIN MENTAL HEALTH, UH, CRISIS INCIDENCES, IF YOU WILL.

SO, UM, AND SO WHAT HE DID POINT OUT THAT THE POLICE CHIEF POINTED OUT THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE 14 OFFICERS IN THE DEPARTMENT THAT HAVE RECEIVED SOME SPECIAL, CRITICAL INCIDENT RESPONSE TRAINING.

AND SO, UM, TO HELP THEM, I GUESS, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY GO OUT AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH, UM,

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MENTAL HEALTH, UH, CALLS.

AND SO WE ALSO TOOK AN ACTION TO SHARE WITH US THE POLICY THAT THEY HAVE, HOW THEY HANDLE THE MENTAL HEALTH SITUATION.

SO PICKING IT, AS SOON AS THIS MORNING, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THAT BY TO FEEDBACK ON THAT.

YEP.

WE ASK THEM ON THEIR, UM, LIKE THEY HAVE MENTAL HEALTH CARE WORKERS, LICENSED WORKERS AND SOCIAL WORKERS.

I HAVE TO REMAIN CONSTANT PRESERVATION.

I DON'T, I KNOW THAT THEY GET TRAINING, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING THAT HELD THEM ACCOUNTABLE THAT THEY SEE CONSTANT TRAINING THAT THINGS CHANGE CONSTANTLY.

AND THAT'S WHY THOSE PROFESSIONALS RECEIVE THEIR TRAININGS ON A SEMI-ANNUAL OR ANNUAL BASIS.

IS IT, CAN YOU ASK YOU ABOUT WHEN YOU MEET WITH THEM NEXT ON, WHAT IS THE TRAINING PROCESS, ONGOING TRAINING THE PROCESS FOR THOSE OFFICERS WHO THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED IT AS A CRISIS? NO.

THE OTHER QUESTION, YEAH.

WHAT WE DID SEE IN THEIR INITIAL SUBMITTAL DOCUMENTATION THAT WE ASKED FOR LIKE THE POLICIES AND GENERAL ORDERS, IT UNDER THEIR TRAINING, THEY DID SAY THAT THEY WROTE THAT THEY ARE PROVIDED WITH ANNUAL TRAINING ON MENTAL HEALTH.

RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE MET WITH THEM YESTERDAY WAS THE FIRST TIME WE LEARNED ABOUT THIS CRITICAL INCIDENT RESPONSE TRAINING.

I NEEDED SOMETHING DIFFERENT, RIGHT.

SPECIFIC FOR THOSE 14 SOLVER.

BUT I WANT TO ASK ABOUT MAYBE IT'S IN THE POLICY THAT HE SENT TO US, RIGHT.

THAT GETS INTO AN EXPLANATION AS TO HOW THAT .

I UNDERSTAND THAT, LIKE, I CAN TAKE A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS, BUT I'M NOT A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL.

I'M NOT EDUCATED IN THAT.

I'M NOT TRAINED IN THAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK, UM, WHAT CITY KETTERING HAVE DONE IS THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY BROUGHT ON BOARD MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND SPLICE AND SOCIAL WORKERS TO DO THAT.

AND I THINK THAT'S A MORE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE THEN, RATHER THAN SAYING, I HAVE FOUR OFFICERS THAT HAS TAKEN AN ANNUAL TRAINING.

SO THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ON OUR DEPARTMENT MOVE TO, UH, TAKING THAT, UM, TAKING THAT FOLLOW WITH LEAD THAT THE CITY OF CAMERON HAS DONE, WHICH I COMMEND YOU FOR DOING.

UM, BECAUSE THOSE PROFESSIONALS ARE NOT JUST TRAINED THE ANNUALLY, THEY'RE CONSTANTLY UPDATED AND HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, REMAIN THEIR LICENSE LICENSE WITH THE STATE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR INPUT.

LIKE IF YOU COULD SHARE THAT WITH ME.

NO, I REALLY THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WAS A PART OF OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION, BUT HE, WE WANTED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

AND AGAIN, NOW HE'S GOING TO SHARE WITH THE POLICY THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE.

WE WANT TO REVIEW THAT AND WE TOLD HIM WE WILL PROVIDE THE LESSON, FOLLOWING CONVERSATION AND FEEDBACK.

BUT I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THE SCHOOL WE WANT TO HEAD TO IS HAVE A SIMILAR MODEL TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH OTHER PARTS.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, AND THEN, UM, WE MOVED INTO A CALM DISCUSSION ON THE DIBBLING TIE TO THE, TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT HIRING AND RECRUITING RIGHT WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND SO, UM, SO TO FIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE KID THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY ABOUT 10%, AND I KNOW WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, UM, THEY SAY THAT THERE ARE SOME OFFICERS THAT ARE GETTING READY TO RETIRE AND TO BE READY TO DO SOME MORE IRON.

AND SO, UM, WE DID POINT OUT THAT THEY'VE HAD CHALLENGES IN, IN, UH, RECRUITING MINORITIES INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO WE THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT, WHAT CAN, WHAT CAN BE DONE, RIGHT.

WELL, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CHANGE THAT? RIGHT.

AND SO, UM, SO HE MENTIONED, AND HE MENTIONED THAT THIS, THIS PROBLEM, THAT THIS PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE CALLED THE EXPLORER POST PROGRAM AT THE TIME, WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE BIG, MENTIONED IT TO US YESTERDAY.

IT'S A PROGRAM 14 TO 21 YEAR OLD, 21 YEAR OLDS.

AND SO KIND OF GIVES THEM A BIT, UM, INTRODUCTION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY MY NOTICE TO GO INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO I THOUGHT THAT'S A GOOD THING.

AND SO, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT, SO HE SAID, WHERE'S THAT OKAY, WHERE'S THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THAT LOCATED? HE SAID, WELL, YOU GOTTA GO TO THE CITY PAGE, ENDED UP AT THE POLICE PAGE, THIS PAGE HERE THAT IT'S LIKE FOUR, FIVE PAGES DEEP.

RIGHT.

I'M LIKE, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MISSION PAGE.

YOU TALK ABOUT EVEN, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE PUT THIS ON FACEBOOK OR YOU LOOK AT OTHER WAYS TO ADVERTISE THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS. RIGHT.

SO THAT, SO THAT KIDS KNOW ABOUT LIKE, YES, MA'AM 14 THAT AGE DEMOGRAPHIC, THEY'RE NOT ON FACEBOOK.

I THINK I MENTIONED WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AT THE HIGH

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SCHOOL, EVEN AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, WE, WHETHER IT BE POSTING FLYERS OR WHATEVER.

NO CUTE INFORMATION.

NOW YOU MENTIONED YOU GOT THE SRO WAS THERE, THIS WAS OFFICER'S.

SO AGAIN, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE PEOPLE WITH THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS TO KIND OF TIE IT BACK TO THE WHOLE, CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY RELATIONS INTO AS WELL, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THAT TRUST BETWEEN, UM, ESPECIALLY THIS OFFICER'S.

SO, SO WE WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THAT TO BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO SAY LAW ENFORCEMENT IS A GOOD PROFESSIONAL MOMENT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YOU SHOULD CONSIDER, SO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.

AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SO YOU MENTIONED THAT LIKE THE HUBRIS WAS PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY POLICE ACADEMY.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT I THINK HE MENTIONED THAT LIKE SINCLAIR AND STATE, THEY HAVE LIKE TRAINING PROGRAMS. AND SO, UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REACHING OUT TO YOUR INTERNET RIGHT.

ABOUT WHEN YOU TALK TO THE, UM, THE SCHOOLS ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE TO ATTRACT MINORITIES.

RIGHT.

SO WE WANT TO GET THE WORD OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO, AGAIN, CHANGE THAT, UH, CHANGE THAT PERCEPTION AND GET FALSE COURAGE ENFORCEMENT.

AND SO, UM, AND SO THAT, YEAH, SO WITH THAT, THAT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, YEAH.

IT WAS OUR CONVERSATION.

SO REALLY RECOMMENDATIONS.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, CAUSE I KNOW THAT, THAT I BROUGHT FORWARD FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS SINCE LAST, LAST MONTH.

I THINK A COUPLE OF THEM, WE HAD A SENSE THROUGH THE COMPENSATION LINE, LIKE THE BODY CAMERAS, I THINK IT WAS ADDRESSED THE DRUG AND ALCOHOL TESTING THAT WAS ADDRESSED.

SO DON'T EVEN BREAD, WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION.

AND I THINK THE FIRST ONE HAD TO DO WITH COMPLAINT PROCESS.

I STILL HAVE THE, WE STILL, EVEN THOUGH WE TALKED THROUGH THAT, WE JUST STILL NEED TO GET THAT DOCUMENTED, I GUESS.

UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, STOP OCCURRED TO ME THAT WE CAN DO THAT.

UM, I GOT THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION, WHICH STILL STILL, UH, STILL HERE, WHICH IS TO GET ON THE, UM, THE WEBSITE, ALL THE GENERAL ORDERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO IT STILL HOLDS RIGHT.

SOME WOULD BE TO GET THAT, GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF.

UM, SO AGAIN, YEAH.

AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN FUTURE HAVING SOME, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE CHIEF POLICE, RIGHT.

HE'S, HE'S WORKING AT THE 10,000 FOOT LEVEL.

RIGHT.

AND SO HE'S LIKE, HEY, DID HE GET YOU GUYS ENGAGED WITH SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, OUR LORD'S OF OFFICERS BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY INTERACTING TODAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU KNOW WHAT, EVEN IN DIFFERENT FOLKS AND THEY NEED MAY BE ABLE TO SHARE OUR PERSPECTIVE AND GIVE US SOME INSIGHT AND SOME INPUT.

SO WHAT, OKAY.

MAYBE HAVE SOME FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSIONS, SOME OF THE OTHER LOWER LEVEL OFFICERS EITHER PUSH FROM THEM.

AND LIKE WE TOLD YOU, WE TOLD THE TEAM, HEY, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO HAVE THIS BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY MENTIONED, HE SAID THAT WHEN YOU FIRST MET, WHEN WE FIRST MET, UM, WHAT WAS IT BACK IN JANUARY, ALONG WITH ROB SUMMER AT THE TIME, IT SEEMS A LITTLE APPREHENSIVE RIGHT.

SHAPE AND THIS, AND THIS CLOSER DIVERSITY GROUPS.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.

RIGHT.

SO HE'S A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT IT.

RIGHT.

BUT HE WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, EVEN THAT YESTERDAY HE SAY, I WAS TELLING FOLKS, MAN, I'VE HAD THAT INITIAL CONVERSATION.

WASN'T LIKE, WHEN I FOUND OUT, RIGHT, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A VERY GOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATION AND HONESTLY, YEAH, WE'RE NOT HERE TO ATTACK, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE FORCE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT OUR GOAL IS WE WANT TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP.

RIGHT.

BUT WE DO WANT, WE SAW US TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE THAT, FOR THOSE BAD APPLES, RIGHT.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HELD THE CAMERA.

RIGHT.

AND THAT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.

SO, UH, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE MODEL OF COMMUNITY BASED POLICING AND BUILDING RELATIONSHIP, BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND SO THAT'S LIKE THE GOOD OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF INCIDENCES LIKE WE SAW WITH GEORGIA, FLORIDA, AND SOME OF THE OTHER CASES.

SO AT THAT PROBABLY SORRY.

UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF DAYS, I ACTUALLY HAD A RESIDENT WITH, HAD TO LEAVE BECAUSE THEY FELT THAT THEY WERE TREATED, UM, UNFAIRLY BY POLICE, UH, A WAY THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TREATED AND WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED WITHOUT HAVING BEEN READ MIRANDA RIGHTS.

UM, AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

AND ONE, I KNOW THERE'S A COMPLAINT PROCESS BECAUSE THEY TOLD US THAT.

RIGHT.

BUT WHERE IS IT? IT'S SOMEWHERE ON THE WEBSITE, EMBED IT SOMEWHERE.

WE GOTTA DIG FOR IT.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST ISSUE IS WHEN RESIDENTS HAVE A CONCERN OR AN ISSUE, THEY NEED TO KNOW WHERE TO GO, WHERE TO REPORT THAT.

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AND THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS IN WHICH IT WOULD BE HANDLED.

SO I DEFINITELY AGREE.

UM, I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION WRITTEN DOWN TOO, THAT IT'D BE DOCUMENTED THE COMPLAINT PROCESS DOCUMENTED.

I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT, BUT THE COMPLAINT PROCESS IS VERY BIG ON THE WEBSITE FIRST.

AND I DID HAVE TO DIG FOR IT.

I WAS ABLE TO SEND THAT, UM, THAT LINK TO THE RESIDENT, UM, AND THEY WILL BE SHARING WITH ME WHAT THAT PROCESS IS LIKE FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH THAT COMPLAINT PROCESS.

BUT THEY WERE VERY APPREHENSIVE ABOUT IT BECAUSE SHE SAID, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING AFTER ME.

SHE WAS VERY NERVOUS ABOUT THAT.

SO SHE REALLY DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE REPORTING IT.

THEN IT'S NOT CLEAR AS TO THE WEBSITE STATES THAT THE COMPLAINT WILL BE RECEIVED AND ASSIGNED TO THE APPROPRIATE INDIVIDUAL FOR INVESTIGATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT INDIVIDUAL IS, HOW HIS RETIREMENT, IT COULD BE THE POLICE OFFICER WHO ABUSED HER, BASICALLY WHAT SHE SAID.

UM, IT COULD BE THEIR BEST FRIEND, I DON'T KNOW.

RIGHT.

UM, AND IT SAYS, WHAT RESPONSE WILL BE SENT, ADVISE HIM THAT THE COMPLAINT IS UNDER INVESTIGATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE IS FOR THAT, THE TIMELINE FOR SENDING THEM A LETTER.

UM, HOW CAN THEY PUT AN UNBIASED PERSON IN THIS PROCESS? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.

IF I REPORT SOMETHING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE RECOURSE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE.

AND TO BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW HOW COMFORTABLE I WOULD FEEL.

IF I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE POLICE, I'M GOING TO GO REPORT TO THE POLICE THAT HAS HAD A PROBLEM.

SO SOMEWHERE WE HAVE GOT TO FIX THIS PROCESS WHERE WE HAVE AN UNBIASED PERSON IN THIS.

OTHERWISE, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN.

THINGS CAN BE SWEPT UNDER THE RUG.

WE HOPE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT IT CAN HAPPEN.

UM, THERE'S NO TIMELINE.

I HEARD YOU SAY THAT 30 DAYS, BUT THAT'S NOT DOCUMENTED.

THERE'S NOTHING WRITTEN WRITTEN ON THE WEBSITE ABOUT THAT.

UM, WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE ABOUT THAT AGAIN, RIGHT.

IT'S, IT'S NOT TRANSPARENT.

UM, AND HOW LONG DO THEY HAVE THE CONTEXT OF THE PERSON THAT THE COMPLAINT IS ADMITTED AND WHO'S COPIED ON THE COMPLAINT.

THOSE ARE ALL QUESTIONS THAT WHAT WE DON'T KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED AGAIN, JUST THE TRANSPARENCY PIECE.

UM, AND I DID HEAR, I THINK IT WAS COUNCILMAN SHAW SAID SOMETHING ABOUT AN AD OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T KNOW.

AND WE DON'T HAVE AN AVENUE FOR PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS AND THEIR COMPLAINTS.

AND THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.

SO I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE MORE CLARIFICATION ON THAT DOCUMENTATION PROCESS AND NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY LAID OUT.

UM, AND I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TOO, THAT I CAN SUBMIT THE ONES THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

UM, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I ASKED ABOUT THE BODY CAM, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE THIS, THIS RESIDENT'S CONCERN, UM, AND THIS ONE WAS FRESH ON MY MIND BECAUSE THEY JUST TALK TO ME TODAY, BUT I'VE HAD A FEW RESIDENTS REACH OUT TO ME ABOUT IT, BUT SHE, UM, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE POLICE OFFICER COMES TO YOUR HOUSE.

THEY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU AND THEY DON'T READ THEIR RESCUE, BUT THEY DON'T READ THEIR MIRANDA RIGHTS TO YOU.

UM, YOU'RE WELCOME TO HANDLE.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE BODY CAMERA LETS THE BODY CAMERA RECORDING ALL OF THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST STEPPING INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ALSO LIKE, IS IT CONTINUOUSLY, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT THERE, ANSWERING THEM, ANSWERING THE CALL, UM, AT LEAST THE VIDEO PORTION OF THE CAMERAS.

THEY HAVE TO ENGAGE THE AUDIENCE.

RIGHT? SO AS SOON AS THIS BE TO BE AWARE OF WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE AND I WANT TO PROTECT THEM, BUT IT PROTECTS US BECAUSE I SEE THE POLICE AS WELL.

SO IT'S BOTH SIDES.

IT JUST HAS TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT.

SO YOU HAD, WHAT WERE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS I THINK WERE TAKING FORWARD? UM,

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SO THERE'S REALLY, I GUESS TWO AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? THE ONE, THE ONE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT JUST HAVING THE PROCESS DOCUMENTED, DOCUMENTED, OBVIOUSLY VISIBLE, RIGHT.

UM, YOU KNOW YEAH.

HERE'S THAT HAPPENING? THAT THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING TO THE POLICE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AND SO, UM, SO THAT THE ONE THAT WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT AT THIS POINT, UM, OBVIOUSLY CONTINUES AS WE REVIEWED DOCUMENTS.

UM, MR. STEVEN, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT EXISTS THAT TELLS THE RESIDENTS, IF THIS HAPPENS, DO THIS, LIKE IF POLICE COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND THEY DON'T READ YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS, DO YOU TECHNICALLY HAVE TO SPEAK TO THEM? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT KIND OF GIVES A PROCESS FOR HOW THINGS SHOULD HAPPEN IF THEY WANT TO SEARCH YOUR HOUSE AND THEY DON'T HAVE A WARRANT, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, THAT EDUCATION PIECE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN EDUCATION OR REFORM, I'M NOT SURE WHICH, WHICH COMMITTEE WOULD HANDLE OR MAKE YOU VOTE TOGETHER.

MORE OF LOOKING AT CURRENT POLICIES, RIGHT? WITH THE DEPARTMENT POLICE OR ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT, WE CAN MAKE CHANGE A RECOMMENDATION TO THEIR POLICY IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY DO.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT PART EDUCATION RIGHTS AS CITIZENS KNOW WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE, RIGHT.

IN A SITUATION WHERE, AND ARE THEY REQUIRED TO THE MIRANDA RIGHTS? ARE THERE, IS THAT A REQUIREMENT UNDER ARREST, LIKE A TRAFFIC TICKET AS A CITIZEN? YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT YOU, EVEN IF YOU'RE UNDER ARREST, BUT TO BE OUT OR ARRESTED, DO YOU HAVE TO READ YOU YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS? AND SO EVEN SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THAT, AND WE SAW THAT EVEN WITH SANDRA BLAND, WHEN SHE, YOU KNOW, HE TOLD HER TO GET OUT OF THE CORNER, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING ME FOR, WITH YOUR CIGARETTE OUT? YOU CAN'T ASK ME TO PUT MY CIGARETTE OUT, BUT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, AND WHEN FEAR DRIVES YOU AND YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IN A SITUATION, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE FACED WITH A SITUATION LIKE YOURS.

SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, THEN YOU MIGHT DO THE WRONG THING AND THAT MAY CREATE MORE OF AN ISSUE FOR YOU.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WHERE CITIZENS.

NOW, IF THIS HAPPENS, THIS IS WHAT YOUR RIGHT IS.

THEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THIS OR NOT DO THIS.

SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GUESS.

AND DEFINITELY LAST TIME AS A PRIORITY, I WOULD AGREE.

I THINK IT IS FOR EDUCATION.

I THINK FOR ONE THING THEY'RE GOOD TO DO.

AND SO I, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, HOW LONG HAS IT INVESTIGATION? WHERE DOES IT GO? WELL, DURING THE ORDER SIX OH TWO IS WHAT SPELLS ALL OF THAT STUFF OUT.

RIGHT.

BUT GUESS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HECK NO, I CAN'T HELP YOU.

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO I THINK OUR, THE WEBSITE, I MEAN, THAT INFORMATION HAS TO BE, I THINK, NEEDS TO BE THERE.

SO LIKE, CAUSE THIS IS IT'S VERY CLEAR

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ABOUT WHERE CAN I, AND IT SAYS IT HERE.

I DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THEM MY NAME.

SO IF I WANT TO MAKE IT ANONYMOUS, I CAN FILE IT ANONYMOUS.

IF I WANT SOMEONE TO FILE IT FOR ME, SOMEONE ELSE CAN FOLLOW IT FOR ME BECAUSE I'M AFRAID TO GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

CAUSE THEY ALREADY, THEY JACKED ME UP, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO DO A GOOD JOB.

AND I THINK SOUNDS LIKE WITH THE CHEAPEST WILLING TO DO WITH US IS TO LET'S GET THESE THINGS ON THE WEBSITE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE ACCESS, NOT EVERY GENERAL ORDER THAT SOME STUFF IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NOT BE AS IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK HOW ABOUT FILE A COMPLAINT? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

I THINK WHAT TYPE OF BEHAVIOR I SHOULD EXPECT WHEN A POLICE OFFICER PULLS ME OVER, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE TO PUT ON THE WEBSITE, WHEREAS EASY.

I DON'T HAVE TO SEARCH, YOU KNOW, 50 MILLION PLACES TO FIND.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU WITH, THEY SEEM TO BE ALL, UM, PRETTY MUCH WEBSITE RELATED AND VISIBILITY RELATED, UM, IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE.

I KNOW THAT AT SOME POINT WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BODY CAM INFORMATION BEING DONE ON THE WEBSITE.

IS THERE ANY UPDATE ON THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WE HAVE BY THE HANDS SAID, SO IT'S SOMETHING GENERAL ORDERS, RIGHT? SO THAT AFRICAN GUY JOKED ABOUT IT YESTERDAY, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS CHIEF AND SAID, WE HAVE ALL THIS DOCUMENTATION, BUT MOST PEOPLE NEED THIS STUFF.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW? UM, NOW THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU TRY TO EXTRACT CERTAIN KEY THINGS FROM CERTAIN DOCUMENTS AND THE THINGS THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT AND PUT IT MAYBE MORE IN LAYMAN'S TERMS OR SOMETHING SUMMARIZED SOME OF THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, KEEP THESE ARE PEOPLE MOST INTERESTED IN.

MAYBE THAT'S AN OPTION FOR THAT FROM AN EDUCATION PERSPECTIVE.

UM, BUT IT IS SPELLED OUT IN THE GENERAL ORDERS POLICY.

RIGHT? SO IT'S THERE, BUT, BUT, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THEM, ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'LL ASK TO PUT ON THE WEBSITE, I UNDERSTAND THAT PORTION OF IT.

I THINK THAT'S ME BECAUSE I THINK I SHARED IT IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS THAT I HAD TO ME AFTER THIS.

IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY BODY CAMERAS, UM, IN RESIDENTS, RASCALS, BUT AGAIN, THEY HADN'T ALREADY BEEN AWARE, BUT THAT'S COMES TO THE FOREFRONT OR THEIR MIND BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING IN NEIGHBORING CITIES.

SO I WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO TACKLE IN OUR CITY THAT WE HAVE THAT TRANSPARENCY THAT WE USE.

OKAY.

SO, UM, YOU, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO ADD BACK, YOU MAKE A PIPE PROCESS ON THE LEFT SIDE, WHO'S ACTUALLY DOCUMENTING THAT PROCESS.

WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THEM? SO I, SO IN THAT CONVERSATION WITH SCOTT WAS THERE AND THAT'S WHAT I LOOKED TO HIM TO KNOW.

AND I GUESS FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO TAKE THE ACTION COMPLAINT PROCESS, I THINK YOU'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT A WHOLE, HOW CAN, BECAUSE OF COMPLAINTS WILL BE MORE, NOT JUST FROM A POLICE STANDPOINT, BUT IF YOU CAME TO HERE AND YOU FELT YOU WEREN'T TREATED RIGHT HERE IN THE LOBBY.

SO THAT COMPLAINT PROCESS IS GOING TO BE ENCOMPASSED EVERYTHING, NOT JUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

OKAY.

I'LL GO TO THE CITY OFFICE OR WHATEVER, AND I HAVE AN ISSUE, BUT ONE THING WE DID TALK ABOUT IS TRYING TO SEPARATE THOSE COMPLAINTS.

OKAY.

SO ONCE THEY DO GO IN IS OKAY, WHICH ONES ARE SITTING RIGHT.

VIOLATIONS IN THAT TIME, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON.

HOW WOULD THAT GATHER? CAUSE THAT DOES NOT EXIST TODAY.

AND WE ALSO, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, SO LET'S SAY PLANT COMES IN, RIGHT COMPLIANCE.

SO THE REFORM COMMITTEE, WHEN THEY ACTUALLY SEE THE BIKE, I THINK IT'D BE OPEN TO ANYBODY ON THE COMMISSION, RIGHT.

WITH THE COMMISSIONER AS A WHOLE CLIENTS PROVIDE FEEDBACK.

WHAT HAPPENS,

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COUPLE OF COMMENTS YOU DON'T MIND.

UM, SO IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE OFFICER TO PROVIDE INFORMATION REGARDING THE STOPS AND, YOU KNOW, TAKING THAT, THAT OPTION OVER TO THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE, UM, ACO HAS, UH, UH, UH, BASIC FORMAT ON SOME INFORMATION THAT CAN BE PINPOINTED TO, TO, TO REFERENCE, UH, BECAUSE IT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT, ESPECIALLY TO KNOW YOUR RIGHTS AS A CITIZEN, UM, DURING THESE THESE INSTANCES.

UM, SO I DO APPRECIATE EDUCATION COMMUNITY TRYING TO TAKE IT ALL BECAUSE IT IS A HIGH ENGINE, 40 FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND THEN THE COMPLAINT PROCESS IN ITSELF.

UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RECOMMENDATION BE MODIFIED TO INCLUDE A TIMEFRAME FOR COMPLETION.

UM, THAT WAY WE'RE ABLE TO HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE.

UH, IF, IF 60 DAYS IS, IS, IS OUR EXPECTATION FOR THEM TO IMPLEMENT OR PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON WHEN THEY'RE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT, UM, THE, UH, THE POLICIES ON THE WEBSITE, UM, THAT WE HAVE THAT FOR EDITOR TO ATTEND THAT.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION I HAVE REGARDING THAT IS JUST SOME TYPE OF A TIMEFRAME FOR EFFICIENT.

SO IT'S A WHOLE, I'VE REFERENCED THE DATE, HUMAN RELATIONS COUNCIL.

THE HRC HAS A COMPLAINT PROCESS ON THEIR WEBSITE.

AND IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S ONLY ONE CLICK AWAY.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT HIDDEN, BUT THEY DO BREAK DOWN THEIR LIKE TYPE OF COMPLAINTS AS EMPLOYMENT, HOUSING CREDIT.

THAT WAY, WHEN YOU DO YOUR COMPLAINT, IT BREAKS IT DOWN TO WHAT CATEGORY.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING, IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE HUMAN RELATIONS, COUNCIL HRC IS A DATING HRC, ONE WORD THAT BORDER, BUT THEY, THEY DO, UM, IT'S, IT'S, THEIR COUNCIL IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR COMPLAINT PROCESS, CAUSE THEY'VE HAD THAT SET UP, THEY ACTUALLY ALSO HOLD, UM, I THINK IT'S QUARTERLY CIVIL RIGHTS HEARINGS.

SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE HEARINGS AS WELL.

SO, AND THAT PUBLIC, SO THAT WAY, IF THEY WANT TO DO, IF THERE'S A, A LOT OF TIMES IT HAS TO DO WITH HOUSING BECAUSE A LOT OF LANDLORDS VIOLATE THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THEY'LL HAVE THOSE.

BUT, UM, IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, THE CITY SIMILAR TO HOW THEIR COMPLAINT PROCESS GOES, BECAUSE THEY ALSO HANDLE, THEY ACTUALLY HANDLE COMPLAINTS THAT COME TO THEM.

SO I DO WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION, UM, IS IT, WOULD IT, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF THE TIME KIND OF FRAME? WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE TO TWO MONTHS AGO.

THAT'S THAT'S WHEN THE INITIAL CONVERSATION STARTED.

SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN 60 DAYS.

TIME-LAPSE I THINK ASKING FOR ANOTHER 60 DAYS WOULD BE REASONABLE.

UM, UH, ANY REFERENCE POINT JUST CONSIDERING SINCE, SINCE, UH, SINCE THE ACTUALLY ACTIONS BEING TAKEN.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.

LET'S SAY ONE 30 DAYS, I THINK THEY'D BE REASONABLE WITH THE REQUEST.

I THINK WE NEED TO PROVIDE THIS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

AND I THINK YOU CAN SET A TIMELINE.

IS THERE A TIMELINE WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM? OH, I'M SORRY.

WAS THIS THE COMPLAINT FOR THE POLICIES, THE POLICIES AND THE COMPLAINT PROCESS? I WAS THINKING IT A, THE POLICY STARTED OPENING THAT PEOPLE WERE FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH, BUT I WAS THINKING THE POLICIES SPECIFICALLY IN YOUR OWN COURSE, UH, THE WEBSITE, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST 60 DAYS COMPLAINT PROCESS.

I AGREE.

I THINK WE SHOULD OUTLINE WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS AND THEN FIND THE GAPS AND FILL THE GAPS AND FIND OUT THAT BY RACE, WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF MOVING AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION AND A TIMEFRAME PERIOD ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SO, RIGHT.

SO I'M CLEAR, RIGHT? WE'RE ALL CLEAR, RIGHT? I THINK WHERE REMEMBER TWO WORDS, WHICH I AGREE WITH THAT TIME TABLE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT A, THIS COMPLAINT PROCESS DETAIL OUTLINE, RIGHT.

WHAT AI IS AND WHAT OUR ROLE.

AND SO WE SHARED THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN WITH

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SCOTT AND HIS TEAM YESTERDAY, SO I THINK IT'S 60 DAYS COME BACK AND SAY, HERE IS DOCUMENTED PROCESS AND SUBMIT THAT TO US AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK OR SET IT AS IT IS FOR.

WE HAD, I THINK, I THOUGHT EVEN, I THINK BACK, RIGHT, ANDREW, I THINK HE HAD LISTED JUST FOLLOWED THROUGH ON THAT.

SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LET'S MOVE FORWARD RECOMMENDATION.

I THINK THE 60 DAYS IS MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME, TO BE HONEST.

I THINK IT'S TOO MUCH TIME BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR AWHILE AND I THINK THAT IT, SHOULD WE ALREADY HAVE, THEY ALREADY HAVE A PLANNING PROCESS FROM WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IT'S JUST THAT IT NEEDS TO BE STREAMLINED AND IT NEEDS TO BE TRANSPARENT AND PUT ON THE WEBSITE.

I DON'T THINK THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT COULD UNDERTAKE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT THEY STARTED THE WORK ART.

SO THEY HAVE A COMPLAINT PROCESS, I GUESS I HAVE TO SAY IT NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS COMMISSION WHERE A NEW ENTITY, RIGHT.

SO IT'S NOW DOWN TO THE RIGHT PLACE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK.

YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SORRY.

YEAH.

SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A SUGGESTION.

I UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF HAVING TIMELINES AND COMMITTEE GOALS AND DELIVERABLES.

UM, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THAT.

WE GET THINGS DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER, BUT, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT OUR PROCESS OF HOW WE TAKE INPUT.

SO YOU MIGHT HAVE THE DISCUSSION HERE, BUT THAT DISCUSSION HAS TO TRANSLATE INTO A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

AND COUNCIL HAS TO TRANSLATE THAT INTO A DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER, TO KIND OF BACK DOWN TO STAFF, RICK, TO BE AN ACTIONABLE ITEM.

SO WHILE THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR 60 DAYS, IF IT HASN'T GONE UP TO COME BACK DOWN, WE AS STAFF AREN'T PUTTING ANY TIME INTO IT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED THROUGH OUR CHAIN OF COMMAND.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE FOR THIS OR FOR OTHER GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE STAFF ADDRESS IS THAT PERHAPS MAYBE PICK A SPECIFIC DATE ON THE CALENDAR, LIKE SAY JUNE 30, RIGHT? SO NOW THAT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET BEFORE COUNCIL.

THAT'S GOING TO GIVE, WHEN THAT MESSAGE COMES DOWN.

NOW THE POLICE CHIEF FOR MYSELF OR SOMEONE ELSE ON STAFF KNOWS THE TARGET DATE YOU'RE WORKING AGAINST.

AND THEN BASED ON THE OTHER TASKS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO, WE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, I CAN GET THAT DONE OR NO, WE'RE GOING TO NEED ADDITIONAL TIME.

AND WE THINK WE CAN.

AND THEN THAT WAY IT'S NOT, YOU SAID 60 DAYS.

AND THEN BY THE TIME SOMEBODY ON STAFF GETS A DIFFERENT, A LITTLE BIT 21 DAYS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME OTHER ISSUES.

SO, UM, I'M ON THE CONDITION TO BE ABLE TO GET A PRODUCT AND EXPECT A PRODUCT AND HAVE THAT BE REASONABLE FOR BOTH PARTIES.

AND SO JUST RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S A WHOLE COMMUNICATION PROCESS UP THE CHAIN, AND THEN BACK DOWN THE CHAIN, UM, RECOGNIZE THAT IN INSTANCES WE'RE NOT DELIBERATELY NOT DOING WORK OVER IGNORING WORK, BUT IT JUST HASN'T TRANSLATED UP AND DOWN THE CHAIN TO EXPEDITE THAT WORK.

SO JUST A SUGGESTION, BUT PERFECTLY, AND THE COMMISSION DOESN'T MIND IF I CAN COORDINATE WITH YOU ON HOW THE PROCESS FROM RECOMMENDATION TO COMMUNICATION, IT'S UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS, THE TIMEFRAMES THAT WE HAVE ARE WE MANAGE EXPECTATIONS AS WELL AS GET THEM GETTING BETTER.

AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, TO, TO EXECUTION, BUT WHAT'S HOLDING, UH, WRAP IT UP.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE LAST THAT, UM, THIS MORNING THAT THEY, THEY HAVE TIME FOR ANOTHER SAID THROUGHOUT CITY COUNCIL HAS SO MANY DAYS IN WHICH THEY WILL RESPOND, BEEN INVOLVED BACK.

SO I THINK WE'VE DEFINITELY, WE NEED TO HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE, THAT BACK AND FORTH AND TIMELINE

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AND ALL OF THAT.

UM, YEAH.

UM, I DON'T WANT ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.

WE HAVE ONE SITTING HERE WE REPORT DIRECTLY TO CORRECT.

THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

THAT'S THAT WAS MY STAFF IS YOUR ASSISTANT TO FACILITATE DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL INFORMATION, THINGS OF THAT MATTER.

BUT TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, ALL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE DIRECTLY AND YOU WOULD GIVE THE RANK OF JUST STAFF BASED ON OUR DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS.

OKAY.

SO CAN YOU STAY FOR THE RECOMMENDATION? IT'S JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR BASED ON THE CONVERSATION, UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE DOCUMENT, THE PROCESS SORT OF BAG THE TIMELINE UM, SO TO HAVE THE CITY DOCUMENT SO WE WILL MOVE THOSE TWO THINGS TO COUNCIL ADVOCACY.

ALRIGHTY.

ADVOCACY.

WE HAVE OUR LAST MEETING ON MARCH 17TH, UM, AND DISCUSS SEVERAL THINGS.

FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS THANK EVERYBODY FOR ATTENDING THE STOP ASIAN EIGHT UNITY RALLY, WHICH TOOK PLACE ON MARCH 27TH, UH, WHEN YOU HAD 60 TO 75 PEOPLE, MAYBE THERE, UM, HAD SOME GREAT SPEAKERS, UM, FROM THE ASIAN AMERICAN PACIFIC ISLANDER COMMUNITY, UM, AND GOT A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT.

SO, UM, THANK YOU ALL WHO ATTENDED.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, AND THEN, SO SOME OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, WE WENT TO FIGURE OUT A DEFINITE PROCESS FOR RAPID RESPONSES TO MAJOR INCIDENTS.

LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE BLACK LIVES MATTER? UH, I'M SORRY, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO GEORGE CHLOE? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ASIAN AMERICANS IN THE SALON INCIDENTS IN ATLANTA? UM, WE WANT A DEFINITE RESPONSE PROCESS FOR HOW WE, AS A COMMUNITY, RESPOND TO THOSE INCIDENTS.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS BETTER THAN FINE, WHAT A MAJOR INCIDENT WILL BE.

SO IT TO DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT SOME OF OUR SISTER CITIES AND LOOK AT HOW THEY'RE RESPONDING TO MAJOR INCIDENTS.

I DID LOOK AT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND THEY HAVE, UM, HATE CRIMES JUST DEFINED AS HATE CRIMES AND THAT HATE INCIDENTS.

OKAY.

UM, AND HATE INCIDENTS OR JUST THOSE THINGS.

ALL OF THE OTHER VARIABLES ARE THERE.

THEY JUST HASN'T ESCALATED TO A CRIME.

SO WE WANT IT TO FIND OUT HOW OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRST OF ALL, GET ASSIGNED A HATE CRIME IF THEY EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED

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A PAINT CANS TODAY.

UM, BUT A MAJOR INCIDENT TO US, THOSE THAT WE RESPONDED TO SO FAR ARE, UM, ACTS OF VIOLENCE, VANDALISM, AND WHAT SEEM TO BE HATE CRIMES TO US MAY NOT BE HATE CRIMES TO POLICE.

AND WE KNOW THAT THAT CAN BE VERY DIFFERENT TO ME.

IF YOU KILL SOMEBODY AND THEY'RE FROM A MINORITY CULTURE GROUP, THAT'S A HATE CRIME, BUT TO THE POLICE, IT MAY NOT BE.

AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING SO THAT WE KNOW HOW TO RESPOND TO THOSE, THOSE EVENTS PROPERLY.

UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED WAS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS OCCURRED.

SO LET'S SAY WE HAD AN INCIDENT IN FEWER HEIGHTS, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO GEORGIA FLOYD? WHAT WOULD WE WANT TO SEE FROM OUR CITIES PER THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE? THERE'S NORMALLY A 24 HOUR RESPONSE TO AN INCIDENT OF THAT MADNESS.

SO IN 24 HOURS, I DON'T KNOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM CITY GOVERNMENT THAT THIS ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE IN OUR CITY, WHETHER THAT BE A PUBLIC STATEMENT, UM, SOME TYPE OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, UM, TO THE FAMILY OR TO WHOEVER, TO WHOEVER THIS IS AFFECTED.

UM, WITHIN 48 HOURS, WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM THE ADVOCACY COMMITTEE.

THAT COULD BE A LETTER, JUST A LETTER OF SUPPORT.

OKAY, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THIS HAPPENED, AND WE WANT TO SHOW YOU OUR SUPPORT.

AND THEN, UM, SEVEN DAYS RESPONSE WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF SOLIDARITY ACTION, WHETHER IT WOULD BE AN EVENT, WHETHER IT BE, IT WOULD BE A PHONE CALL, WHATEVER IT WOULD BE, WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT PART OUT.

AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN REALLY DO THAT IS TO SORT OF BENCHMARK WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.

UM, IT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE FEASIBLE TO DO A SOLIDARITY EVENTS IN SEVEN DAYS.

AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZE EVERYBODY MAY NOT ALWAYS BE ABLE TO ATTEND A SOLIDARITY EVENTS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONSISTENT PROCESS SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT EXPECT.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN, THAT OUR CITY IS SHOWING SUPPORT TO LOCAL CITIES.

SO, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEEN DONE SO FAR AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS, BUT IF SISTER CITIES ARE HAVING THINGS TAKE PLACE OR THINGS ARE HAPPENING AROUND THE WORLD, WHAT I'M SEEING FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES IS THEY ARE SHOWING THEIR SUPPORT, WHETHER IT'S A LETTER OR A PUBLIC STATEMENT OR WHATEVER, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE FRIENDLY TO OTHER CITIES.

UM, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT MAKES US LOOK GOOD, BUT BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO BECAUSE WE NEVER KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THAT CITY SITUATION.

SO, UM, THAT IS, IT'S ACTUALLY A RECOMMENDATION THAT I AM GOING TO, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING TO COUNCIL THAT THE MAYOR, WHERE HIS DESIGNEE WOULD SEND A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO CITIES THAT HAVE HAD A MAJOR INCIDENT, UM, AND THE DESIGNEE CAN BE WHOEVER HE DECIDES, WHETHER IT'S VICE MAYOR, A MEMBER OF COUNCIL, WHOEVER THAT WOULD BE.

UM, BUT WE NEED TO GIVE SOME TYPE OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT TO SHOW THAT WE SEE YOU AND TO HEAR YOU THAT NEEDS, THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS MINORITY BUSINESS RECOGNITION AND HOW WE ARE RECOGNIZING OUR MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS THE MINORITY OWNED BUSINESS OF THE MONTH.

AND ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS FOR FINDING ANY MINORITY OWNED BUSINESS OF THE MONTH WAS TO ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO SUGGEST A MINORITY OWNED BUSINESS, UM, THAT WOULD BE DONE VIA OUR WEBSITE OR A CITY, THE CITY'S WEBSITE, THAT PROCESS WE STILL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH, BUT WE THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR CITY RESIDENTS TO TELL US WHO THEY THINK A GOOD CANDIDATE WILL BE FOR MINORITY ON BUSINESS SUPPORT DOES TWO THINGS FOR THE BUSINESS.

WELL, TWO THINGS, ONE, IT GIVES THE MINORITY OWNED BUSINESS RECOGNITION THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE OTHERWISE RECEIVED.

UM, AND WE KNOW MINORITY ON BUSINESSES MAY NOT ALWAYS HAVE THE MARKETING BUDGET AND AN ADVERTISING DOLLARS TO EXPOSE THEIR BUSINESS.

SO IT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE SEEN.

THEN ALSO IT GIVES US OPPORTUNITIES TO SELECT THE BUSINESS BASED ON WHAT

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THE COMMUNITY HAS TEST MAJESTIC GIVES THE COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE ENGAGEMENT AMONGST OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

UM, SOMETHING ELSE WE TALKED ABOUT IS TRACKING, UM, MINORITY BUSINESSES COMING INTO OUR CITY.

SO CURRENTLY I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS FOR HOW, UM, HOW ARE WE, HOW ARE WE FLAGGING? HOW DO WE BECOME AWARE OF A MINORITY OWNED BUSINESS? I'M NOT SURE IF THE HUBER HEIGHTS CHAMBER IS DOING ANYTHING TO, UM, KEEP TRACK OF MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES THAT COME INTO THE CITY, BUT THAT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, ONE THERE'S DOLLARS THAT MINORITY OWNED BUSINESS OWNERS CAN GET.

THERE'S ALL TYPES OF CERTIFICATIONS, MICRO ENTERPRISE CERTIFICATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND WE JUST KNOW THAT MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES AND THEY NEED THAT EXTRA LAYER OF SUPPORT.

SO DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND, IF THERE IS A PROCESS FOR, UM, KEEPING TRACK OF MINORITY ON BUSINESSES GROWING? SO IF IN TURN WE DON'T TRACK THAT INFORMATION.

A LOT OF TIMES, IF YOU KNOW, BUSINESS GOES, THERE'S A PARTICULAR STYLE OF BUSINESS AND IT'S REPLACED BY ALIKE OR SIMILAR BUSINESS APPROPRIATELY, WE WOULD NEVER KNOW THAT THAT TRANSACTION EVER REALLY OCCURRED.

OKAY.

SO THEN I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT IS HOW WE CAN CREATE MORE VISIBILITY FOR MINORITY BUSINESSES.

UM, SO THAT WE KNOW WHEN THEY'RE COMING INTO OUR CITY, HOW ARE THEY, ARE THEY HAVING GRAND OPENINGS? WHAT SUPPORT DO THEY NEED? AND THEN ALSO WE, WE DISCUSSED STARTING A MINORITY BUSINESS CHAMBER FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD IT COME RIGHT AWAY.

BUT, UM, I DO HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED IN YOLANDA AND TERROR.

I HAVEN'T TALKED TO YOU ALL ABOUT THE SHERIFF FOR FRIDAY, APRIL 16TH, WITH SOMEONE FROM THE OHIO CENTRAL OHIO AFRICAN-AMERICAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

UM, AND HE IS HAPPY TO SUPPORT US WITH HOW THAT MIGHT HAPPEN.

SO IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND THAT MEETING, I CAN SEND YOU THE INFORMATION.

BASICALLY WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS GETTING INFORMATION.

WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD WANT US TO DO.

BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET SOME SUPPORT FOR MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES.

I KNOW LOCALLY IS THE, IN HISPANIC.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY ORGANIZATION I KNOW LOCALLY DATE HERE IN CINCINNATI.

COLUMBUS HAS A, THEY HAVE TONS OF ALL THE CHINESE, THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF MONEY, BUT THE DAY KNOWING WHAT I KNOW IS IT'S ROBERT SILLINESS AS THE ONLY LOCAL ORGANIZATION, THEY HAVE ONE AND THEY GET NINE AT WAY.

YOU'VE GOT, I THINK SHE COMPLETELY DISSOLVED HER ORGANIZATION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ONE ENOUGH, IT WAS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN WAS CALLED THE FOCUS FOR YOU, OR MAYBE AFFILIATED WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WITH MINORITY BUSINESSES.

THAT MAY BE ANOTHER .

THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE ON HERE WAS, UM, THE ADVOCACY COMMITTEE BEING A PART OF THE CITY'S QUARTERLY NEWSLETTER.

AND DO YOU REMEMBER WHERE WE PUT THAT? I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT BEING A PART OF THAT QUARTERLY.

WELL, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING JUST EVERY KIND OF GROUP OF THE COMMISSION HAVING A QUARTER OR A PIECE OF THAT NEWSLETTER.

AND WE COULD HAVE LIKE AN ADVOCACY CORNER FOR, COULD BE THINGS THAT ARE NEW ISSUES OR UPCOMING THINGS OR ADVOCACY EVENTS, UM, THAT WE COULD UTILIZE IN THAT KIND OF AREA IN THE NEWSLETTER.

THAT'S BASICALLY IT, OUR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR, UH, APRIL THE 21ST, UM, AT SIX O'CLOCK BASED ON OUR THIRD, WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH SCHEDULE.

IS THAT STILL GOOD FOR YOU

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DURING THAT TIME? YOU WON'T FIGURE THAT OUT YET.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE FOR A WHILE.

WE HAD A REALLY BAD WON'T COME OUT A WHILE BACK.

I'VE HAD MAJOR COMPLAINTS BUT THEY AREN'T OFFENDED.

THEY'RE MENTIONING RINGING HIM BACK.

I DON'T EXACTLY WHAT DOES SHEET EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE LIKE, UM, USE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGE SYSTEMS COMPARED RIGHT HERE, BUT THEIR COMMUNICATIONS STUDENTS TO DO SOME INTERNSHIP OPPORTUNITIES TO PRAY OR NEWSLETTERS? BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN THE STAFF IS SO BUSY WITH A LOT OF THINGS, BUT THIS WOULD GIVE STUDENTS NOT JUST THE HIGHER EDUCATION.

I MEAN, THIS WILL GIVE THE STUDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT EDUCATION COMPONENT AND GET THEIR DEGREE REQUIREMENT, BUT IT ALSO GIVES THE CITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND AND OUTREACH TO, TO THOSE STUDENTS AND GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY.

BUT IT FREES UP ESSENTIAL STAFFING.

THE HIGH SCHOOL HAS CERTAIN COURSES.

SO THIS IS, IT'S NOT A LABOR ISSUE, IT'S A COST ISSUE.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE COMMUNICATION ELECTRONICALLY.

AND SO THE OBJECTIVE OF THE NEWSLETTER IS EFFECTIVELY TO KIND OF SPLIT THE BABY IF YOU WILL.

AND SO, UM, THE NEWSLETTER WOULD BE EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11 DOUBLE-SIDED AND IT'S DESIGNED TO BE A PHYSICAL REMINDER TO DRIVE PEOPLE TO THE WEBSITE, TO GET MORE DETAILED INFORMATION.

AND WHAT MAKES IT COMPLICATED IS TO KEEP THE COST DOWN.

IT HAS TO BE AN INSERT WITH THE UTILITY BILL AND THE COMMUNITY IS DIVIDED UP INTO QUARTERS.

AND SO THAT CALL UP WHATEVER MONTH IT IS THAT IT GOES OUT.

ONE QUARTER GOES OUT THE FIRST WEEK OR QUARTER.

IT GOES OUT THE SECOND WEEK.

SO IT'S A ROLL IN THE NEWSLETTER AS WELL.

SO THE NEWSLETTER THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT THIS POINT IN TIME, ISN'T GOING TO BE THAT 12 PAGE FOLDED OVER TWICE, YOU KNOW, MAIL BOOKLET, PEOPLE WERE USED TO GETTING, BECAUSE THAT'S AN INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE DOCUMENT TO CREATE.

SO THIS IS OUR ATTEMPTS TO FORTE BACK INTO OCCASIONAL WRITTEN COMMUNICATION.

AND IF THAT'S SUCCESSFUL, THEN I'M SURE COUNSEL WILL PROVIDE DIRECTION AND ADVICE FOR STAFF IN ANOTHER OUTLET OR ANOTHER WEDDING, DEPENDING UPON WHETHER OR NOT THEY FEEL THAT'S A SUCCESSFUL COMMUNICATION.

BUT AT THIS POINT, THAT'S OUR PUSH TO GET OUT.

WE'RE WORKING TO HAVE A TIMELINE FOR THE FIRST WRITTEN NEWSLETTER TO GO OUT IN Q3 AND Q4 OF THIS YEAR.

SO IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SCHEDULING ISSUES THAT WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH TO GETTING INTO INTERNSHIPS, JUST GET STUDENTS OPPORTUNITY FEEDBACK TO SOMETHING.

AND RHONDA VIEW POINTED OUT TOO.

I KNOW WITH NEWER BUSINESSES COMING IN, WHEN THE CHAMBER BECOMES AWARE, I KNOW THEY DO VISITS A LOT OF IT'S SOLICITATION, BUT YOU KNOW, TO JOIN, BUT THEY, THEY ALWAYS OFFER ANY NEW BUSINESS.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT MEMBERS OF GRAND OPENING TYPE OF SITUATION, AND, UH, I MAKE IT A POINT TO TRY TO VISIT EVERY NEW BUSINESS.

I SEE TO TRY TO SPOTLIGHT THEM A LITTLE BIT ON SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS AND WHATNOT.

SO I'LL GET IN AND TRY TO MEET WITH THE HOMEOWNER IT'S PICTURES.

TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THEY DO.

AND I THINK THAT'S IT'S FIT.

I FEEL IT'S BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL IN THE PAST AND GETTING PEOPLE AWARE OF USING.

SO WHEN I GOT SENT TO THE CITY, THE CHAMBER, WHEN THEY KNOW THAT THEY WILL REACH OUT IF THEY KNOW ABOUT IT THOUGH.

GOTCHA.

OKAY.

SO I GUESS THE KEY WOULD BE BECAUSE LIKE BRIAN SAID, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR BUSINESSES ROLLING INTO A LOCATION, YOU KNOW, SAY AN OFFICE BUSINESS, LIKE AN INSURANCE AGENCY, NOBODY KNOWS THAT THAT BUSINESS CAME IN.

ABSOLUTELY.

BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINE FOR A BUSINESS PERMIT.

YEAH.

THERE'S NO REAL PERMIT FOR A BUSINESS FOR THAT.

AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THAT ZONING PERMIT, THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO DO IS THAT ANNUAL FIRE CHECK.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE DIDN'T HAVE ON THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE'VE EVER DONE.

I WAS GOING TO COMMENT ON THESE NEWSLETTER AS WELL.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, THERE IS A NEWSLETTER THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAP.

THAT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY QUICK TOOL TO USE.

I MEAN, I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN

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PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

THIS IS A REALLY GOOD TWO MONTHS.

AND IF THESE, IF PEOPLE WANT TO GET INFORMATION OUT, UM, SO I WOULD SAY IF YOU CAN DO A LIVE FOR THAT TOOL AND UTILIZE THE I'M GONNA CALL IT THE MONITOR REPORT, UTILIZING BOTH WANT TO GET SOMETHING OUT MORE RAPIDLY TO THAT.

SO HOW DO YOU GET TO, ONCE YOU CLICK ON THAT? NO, GO SHOW THIS BOX AGAIN.

I WOULD CLICK ON AND CLOSE CLICK ON THE LINK AND IT'LL TAKE YOU RIGHT THERE.

OKAY.

BUT WHAT IF YOU ALREADY CLICKED ON THAT BOX AND IT DOESN'T POP UP NOW, WHEN YOU GO TO THE CITIES ONE, JUST CLOSE YOUR PAGE.

OKAY.

SO HAVE WE COVERED EVERYTHING? YEAH.

ADVOCACY.

SO YOU, BEFORE, WHEN YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE RAPID RESPONSE INCIDENT PROCESS YES.