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ANYWAY, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND

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CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT,

[ AGENDA REFORM COMMITTEE OF THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZENS ACTION COMMISSION Remote Meeting January 25, 2021 6:30 P.M. ]

UH, LET'S SEE, 6:38 PM.

UH, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND DO A, DO A ROLL CALL, I GUESS WE'LL START WITH, UH, WE'LL START WITH TARA PURPOSE.

OKAY.

UH, ERIC RICHARDSON PRESENT HERE, PRESENT THIS STUFF.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, WELL WE DIDN'T HAVE ON THE AGENDA THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, BUT I GUESS EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, DO THE MINUTES.

UH, YES.

SO IF I COULD, IF I CAN GET SOMEONE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES SECOND.

OKAY.

IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED.

THE SECOND THAT WE ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ALRIGHT, NAYS.

OKAY.

MINUTES ARE APPROVED FROM LAST MONTH.

COOL.

ALL RIGHT.

SO LET'S, UM, MOVE INTO, UM, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA, BUT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT BRIEFLY.

WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, ERIC, LET ME MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, ADD AN AGENDA ITEM BEFORE WE GET INTO DISCUSSION OF THAT AGENDA ITEM.

UM, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ADD AN ITEM TO THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, UM, UNLESS YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION ERIC TO OKAY.

UM, TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, ADD AN AGENDA ITEM.

AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, JUST THE DISCUSSION OF THE WEB PAGE.

THANK YOU FOR HIDES WEBPAGE AND REFORM COMMITTEES, YOU KNOW, NEEDS AND WANTS FOR THAT.

RIGHT.

CAN I GET A SECOND? OKAY.

IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVING THAT WE, UH, ADD AN AGENDA ITEM TO DISCUSS THE, UH, THE COMMITTEE OR THE, UH, COMMISSION WEB PAGE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OKAY.

MOTION HAS PASSED.

UM, SO TARA, DID YOU WANT TO KICK OFF THE DISCUSSION? AND THEN I DIDN'T, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID THINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, ORDER, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO OPEN DISCUSSION, UM, FOR NOT AGENDA ITEMS WITHOUT LIKE FORMALLY.

OKAY.

NO, SOUNDS GOOD.

YEAH.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO, YEAH, SO THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A TASK, IF YOU WILL, THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE, I GUESS, TO THE COMMITTEES TO LOOK AT, UM, COMING UP WITH SOME IDEAS, HOW TO UPDATE OUR, UH, DATE, OUR SITE, YOU KNOW, OUR ULTIMATE DIVERSITY WEBSITE, RIGHT? SO SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE A NEW SITE OR WHETHER OR NOT IT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SITE UP UNDER THE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CITY, THE CITY'S PAGE.

AND IF WE ALL AGREE THAT, UH, WE NEED, WE JUST NEED TO TAKE THE CURRENT PAGE THAT WE HAVE, IT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED ON THE CITY UNDER THIS, UNDER THE CITY SITE AND, AND MAKE SOME UPDATES TO IT, TO REFLECT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE, GOOD INFORMATION THAT WE'D WANT TO GO ON THE SITE.

AND SO, UM, WE COME UP WITH SOME INITIAL, SOME INITIAL THOUGHTS, BUT, UM, SO THE THINKING WAS BORN RIGHT NOW.

SO IF I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ALL HAVE GONE TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, GONE TO THE, TO THE CITY SITE, TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT WEBSITE AND, AND HAD ACTUALLY FOUND THE, YOU KNOW, CULTURAL DIVERSITY WEBSITE, RIGHT.

OR PAGE, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT.

WHEN YOU GO ON THE FIRST PAGE YOU HAVE TO CLICK ON, UM, I GUESS I HAVE TO CLICK ON A COUPLE OF PAGES TO GET TO OUR ACTUAL, UH, SITE, IF YOU WILL.

AND SO THERE WAS SOME, UH, SOME THOUGHTS

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WHERE IT WOULD BE NICE TO MAYBE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO TO THE, TO THE VERY FIRST PAGE, IF YOU WILL, WHEN YOU GO TO THE SITE THAT YOU'D HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY OR HAVE SOME SORT OF LINK THERE, MAYBE YEAH.

LINK THERE TO OUR SITE, OR MAYBE I THINK THE OTHER, OR MAYBE THE OTHER POINT WAS THAT IT TO BE LISTED UNDER THE ESTABLISHED, UM, UH, SITES, IF YOU WILL, UM, LET ME SEE HERE YET.

THAT'S BEEN UPSTAIRS.

SO YEAH, I GUESS IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO MAYBE IF, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN PULL THAT UP THOUGH, LET ME SEE, BE GOOD AND MAYBE PULL IT UP TO ACTUALLY SEE IT, BUT, UH, HOLD ON, OPEN IT UP.

I SHARE MY SCREEN.

I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.

UM, BUT ANYWAY, UM, THE THINKING WAS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE ABLE TO HAVE THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY, UH, COMMISSION, UH, LISTED AS LISTED UNDER THIS STAB CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UM, LINK, IF YOU WILL.

UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, THE THINKING WAS THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO, AS WE LOOK AT THE CURRENT PAGE RIGHT NOW, AS IT'S STRUCTURED, I, UH, THINK IT HAS AT THE, YOU KNOW, AT THE VERY TOP, UM, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE OUR MEETINGS, AT LEAST FOR THE COMMISSION AND THEN IT THEN BELOW IT LISTS ALL THE MEMBERS THAT MAKE UP THE COMMISSION AND THEN BELOW THAT IT HAS, UM, KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE COMMISSION THAT WE HAVE.

AND SO I'M SORT OF THINKING, WAS IT, WELL, MAYBE IT WOULD BE NICE TO MAYBE ON THAT SITE AT THE VERY TOP, YOU KIND OF HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY COMMISSION, IF YOU WILL, AND THEN HAVE KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THAT, WHAT THE COMMISSION IS.

AND THEN FROM THERE YOU WOULD HAVE, UM, POSSIBLY LINKS TO SUSTAIN, RIGHT? WE'VE CREATED FOUR COMMITTEES THAT RESIDE UP UNDER THE COMMISSION, SO THEY CAN HAVE THE LINKS TO, UM, TO THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES.

AND SO LIKE LEAVE FORM AND WE WOULD HAVE A PAGE.

AND WHEN YOU GO TO THAT PAGE, YOU'LL HAVE KIND OF OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE REFORM COMMITTEE IS AND WHAT IT IS.

AND, UH, AND YOU CAN ASK THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT MAKE UP THAT COMMITTEE, AND THEN WE GET, MAYBE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IDENTIFIES KIND OF UPCOMING EVENTS, MEAN MAYBE NOT EVENTS, BUT ACTIVITIES OR THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

RIGHT.

BUT, UM, BUT SO I'M JUST WHAT, WE'VE, WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS BEFORE WE GO BACK, UH, TO OUR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, WE WANTED TO JUST COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS FOR WHAT WE'D WANT TO HAVE ON OUR PAGE.

RIGHT.

UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AND HE SAID THE MISSION LEVEL WAS THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO TO THE SITE THAT MAYBE THERE COULD BE A LINK RIGHT THERE THAT SAYS MAYBE ACTIVITIES, AND WHEN YOU CLICK ON ACTIVITIES AND IT'LL GO TO THOSE TWO, ALL THAT DUTIES THAT ARE OCCURRING WITH NOT ONLY OUR CONDITION, BUT WITH OTHER COMMISSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OTHER THINGS THAT THEY MAY BE DOING, BUT SOMETHING WHERE YOU CAN GET TO IT.

UM, ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE, UM, THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS ON THE, WHEN YOU GET TO THE, TO OUR SITE WAS UPDATING CONTACT INFORMATION.

UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK RIGHT NOW IT, IT HAS, UH, SURE IF IT HAS KATIE ON THERE OR NOT, OR THERE'S A KATIE ON THERE.

SO I THINK IT WAS, YEAH.

SO IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOLANDA, YOU KNOW, AS THE, AS THE, AND THEN HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, RHONDA AS THE VICE CHAIR.

RIGHT.

SO INCLUDE THEIR INFORMATION, UM, ON THAT SITE AS, AS THE POINT OF CONTACTS.

AND THEN, UM, YEAH, AND SO AGAIN, THOSE WERE JUST SOME OF THE INITIAL THOUGHTS, BUT AGAIN, WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO WAS I WAS GOING TO MAYBE DRAFT AN INITIAL, AT LEAST FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE REFORM COMMITTEE PAGE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DRAFT UP A, UH, A BRIEF OVERVIEW OR OBJECTIVE, UH, STATEMENT IF YOU WILL, FOR THE REPORT COMMITTEE.

AND WHEN THOSE OUT DRAFTED UP AND I'LL SEND IT TO YOU ALL, AND THEN WE CAN ITERATE ON IT IF YOU WILL.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT IF THERE'S SOME, IF YOU GUYS HAVE SOME OTHER, SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON MAYBE WHAT YOU'D WANT TO SEE ON THE SITE, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THE SITE CURRENTLY HAVE, OR THE PAGE THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE FOR THE COMMISSION.

UM, IF YOU

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HAVE THOUGHTS AND IDEAS OR THINGS OR SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO INCORPORATE ON THE INITIAL PAGE OR THE COMMISSION, AND THEN FURTHERMORE, YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU THINK COULD HAVE REALLY MORE FROM A STRUCTURE PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? FORMAT, STRUCTURE, TYPE OF CONTENT THAT WE'D WANT TO HAVE ON OUR PAGE.

I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT NOW, OR, OR IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US SOME, GIVE US A THOUGHT AND THEN SEND ME SOME SEMI DETAIL, UH, WHAT'S YOUR BEST.

I THINK WE CAN PUT, LIKE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THERE.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE EMAIL K THING, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT OUT THERE, UH, AS WELL, CAUSE RIGHT NOW TO PAGE INFORMATIONAL STUFF, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST LIST THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE ON THERE.

AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE LINKS TO THE MEETINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, KATIE'S ON THERE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD, WOULD JUST BE GOOD TO KIND OF POST THE THINGS THAT, UM, WE GOT GOING ON AND KINDA JUST LINKS TO DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT DIVERSITY.

SO WHEN YOU GO TO THAT SITE, YOU COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MAYBE THE BEST WAY TO SAY THE VISION, RIGHT? YEAH, EXACTLY.

UH, THAT'S FINE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS? NO THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW, I'LL ALL, UH, THINK ABOUT SOME, UH, MORE DETAILED, UH, AREAS FOR DISCUSSION AND SEND IT OVER YOUR WAY AND THEN, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SOUNDS GOOD.

GOOD STUFF.

WELL, LET'S MOVE INTO, UM, THE NEXT TOPIC.

THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS OUR PREPARATION, UH, TO MEET WITH, UH, UH, CHIEF LIGHTER AND ROCK STORM OR THIS, UH, IT'S FRIDAY NOW.

RIGHT? SO, UM, AS YOU KNOW, UM, ROB DIDN'T MEET ROBIN AND SHE FIND IT COULDN'T MEET 11 O'CLOCK THURSDAY.

SO THEY REQUESTED THAT WE, UH, CHANGE TIME.

SO WE ALL AGREE FOUR O'CLOCK EAST AT THIS POINT, UH, FOUR O'CLOCK ON FRIDAY, WE'LL MEET AT CITY HALL.

UM, ERIC, I SAW YOUR COMMENT ABOUT, UM, THEY GIVEN THE FACT THAT HE HAS A HARD STOP AT FIVE O'CLOCK.

I AGREE.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH, UH, EACH OF THE TOPIC AREAS, IF YOU WILL, OR AT LEAST THESE EIGHT POINTS THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS RIGHT.

WITHIN THAT HOUR.

SO, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST WE COULD EITHER, AGAIN, LOOK AT MAYBE SEEING IF WE CAN START THE MEETING MAYBE A HALF HOUR EARLIER.

UM, IF, AND AGAIN, IF YOU, IF YOU GUYS CAN MAKE THAT TIME, IF NOT, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I SEE THIS AS BEING AN INITIAL, INITIAL MEETING THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THEM.

I SEE THIS AS AN ONGOING SERIES OF MEETINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT INITIALLY WE WILL, UM, WANT TO, UH, COME FROM THIS.

SO, UM, BUT YEAH, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY NEED AT LEAST AN HOUR, MAYBE AN HOUR AND A HALF TO GIVE US, GIVE US TIME.

HOPEFULLY GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO AT LEAST WALK THROUGH WHAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS ON ON FRIDAY.

SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS YOU GUYS WANT TO TRY AND MEET AT THREE 30 OR IF YOU, OR IF WE NEED TO SIT THE FOUR O'CLOCK I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO TO THREE 30 AND MAYBE WHAT WE ARE ABOUT IS, UM, MAYBE LET'S TAKE ONE OR EITHER TWO OF THE ITEMS THAT WE WANTED AT LEAST BE ABLE TO DISCUSS AND TALK ABOUT AT THIS MEETING WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT WE NEED TO SET UP ANOTHER MEETING, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO IT JUSTICE IN 60 MINUTES OR 90 MINUTES.

NOT FOR THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT WE HAVE THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS.

SO I JUST THINK MAYBE WE JUST LOOK OUT OF THOSE EIGHT THINGS AND MAYBE PRIORITIZE ONE OR TWO AND THEN JUST SAY, HEY, LISTEN, LET'S TALK ABOUT THESE ONE OR TWO ITEMS AND THEN SET UP, YOU KNOW, FUTURE DATES AFTER THAT.

YEAH.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THOUGHT.

UM, NO, I AGREE.

WE WON'T TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THEM.

RIGHT.

I GUESS THE WAY I WAS GOING TO VIEW IT, WE HAVE EIGHT POINTS.

RIGHT.

SO MY THING IS PAY

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WE'LL WE'LL GET THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET THROUGH AS MANY AS WE CAN UNTIL THE TIME IS UP.

RIGHT.

IS WHAT MY THINKING WAS.

RIGHT.

SO IT MAY ONLY BE HALF OF THEM IF THAT.

RIGHT.

SO WHEREVER WE DON'T FINISH AGAIN, I KNOW THE DISCUSSION CAN, DEPENDING ON, WE CAN GET ON TOPIC ONE AND IT COULD, IT MAY TAKE HALF THE TIME AND THAT'S FINE.

RIGHT.

I MEAN, I, I LOCKED THE START IN ORDER, I GUESS IS MAYBE WHAT I'M SAYING.

AND IF WE CAN GET THROUGH, YOU KNOW, COUPLE OF TWO, THREE, UM, THAT'S FINE.

AND WHEREVER WE, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER WE END UP THAT, UM, WE WILL SAVE, UH, THE REST OF THAT DISCUSSION FOR OUR FOLLOW-ON MEETING.

UM, SO I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS WHAT'S SO YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS OF ADDRESSING THE STRATEGIES IN A SEQUENTIAL MANNER MATTER, OR PRIORITIZING THE STRATEGIES AND ADDRESSING IT FROM THAT MANNER.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, GOING IN SEQUENTIAL MANNER VERSUS FOR TYPING? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT COURSE OF ACTION DO YOU THINK WE WOULD GAIN THE MOST OUT OF AND FOR MORE TIME AND THEN TO THESE TIMES AS WELL? RIGHT.

I GUESS THERE'S NO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY THERE'S, THERE'S NO ADVANTAGE UNLESS THERE'S SOME, UNLESS THERE'S A PARTICULAR ITEM THAT, THAT WE FEEL LIKE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT.

UNLESS WE IDENTIFY THAT, THAT'S FINE.

IF WE SAY THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT.

SO WE CAN START WITH THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF EXPENSE THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON ANYONE IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER OR HAVING A PARTY OR A PARTY AS RELATES TO ANY ONE OF THEM.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, I, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A PREFERENCE EITHER WAY.

UM, AND AGAIN, LET'S, UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE, UNLESS THERE'S TWO OR THREE OF THEM THAT YOU SAY, YEAH, I DEFINITELY WANT TO DISCUSS THIS FRIDAY, THEN THAT, AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

UM, WELL, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I AGREE WITH YOU, ERIC, UH, ON PRIORITIZING THE STRATEGIES.

I MEAN, YEAH, I THINK THERE ARE SOME OF THESE POINTS WHERE THEY COULD ADDRESS IT PRETTY SPECIFICALLY AT EASY, WHICH WON'T TAKE A LOT OF TIME UP FOR, YOU KNOW, IN MORE MORRIS, BUT THERE ALSO IS, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF THE AREAS IN WHICH THERE'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, UH, QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION, WHICH IS GOING TO BE NEEDED.

AND, UH, I THINK IT'D BE EASIER FOR US TO, TO GET THOSE PRIORITIES SO WE CAN DIGEST THEM AND ALLOW THEM TO PREPARE FOR, YOU KNOW, THOSE QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS.

THAT'S WHERE MY, MY HEAD FOR, FOR PRIORITIZING.

OKAY.

I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS AREAS WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF GOING ON WITH, UH, STEFAN WAS SAYING, UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON MINUTES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONTEXT AND, AND ONE, AND WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION OVER NUMBER ONE, AND THEN THERE WAS SOME OTHER AREAS THAT THERE WAS JUST VERY LIMITED CONVERSATION, BUT IN ALL HONESTY, UM, IT DID KIND OF GO IN SEQUENTIAL ORDER WHERE WE WERE HAVING THE MOST CONVERSATION.

SO I, I HONESTLY DON'T HAVE A BIG OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER OR THE WAY WE HANDLE IT.

UM, BUT IT, WE DID HAVE THE MOST CONVERSATION OVER THE FIRST TWO, UM, ON THAT EIGHT POINT PLAN.

EXACTLY.

AND THAT'S WHY I CAN DEFINITELY DOUBLE ONE.

I WANT TO, I WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH NUMBER ONE.

RIGHT.

KIND OF GOES TO EVEN GET BACK TO THE, YOU HAVE THE, UM, TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, IN THIS CASE, I HAVE ANY CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD.

RIGHT.

UM, CAN WE THINK ABOUT WHY WE WERE EVEN FORMED RIGHT.

AND OUR PURPOSE.

RIGHT.

AND WE'D UNDERSTAND HOW OUR ROLE IS, HOW AS IT RELATES TO THAT ITEM, NUMBER ONE IN PARTICULAR.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, SO YEAH, THE FIRST COUPLE OF ITEMS I DEFINITELY WANT TO, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ON THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN I ONE, UM, SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW THE CONVERSATION, CAUSE REMEMBER THIS IS JUST AN OPEN PHONE CONVERSATION, RIGHT.

SO WE MAY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE MAY ONLY GET ONE 81 OR TWO.

UM, AGAIN, I'D STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH STARTING WITH ITEMS ONE AND TWO, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE LIKE TO, YOUR POINTS ARE RIGHT.

THERE HAS TO BE THE CONVERSATION.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THESE, ALL OF THEM ARE IMPORTANT.

LIKE THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT.

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I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A, IN MY MIND, I GUESS, IS THERE A PRIORITY PER SE? I DON'T KNOW.

THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT POINTS.

I THINK.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING, WELL, LET'S JUST GO DOWN THE BALANCED SEQUENTIAL LIST, BUT, UM, I'M FINE WITH THE ONE ON THE LIST.

THE ONLY FEAR I HAVE IS, IS IF YOU HAVE AN HOUR FOR DISCUSSION, UM, AND MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS, WE'RE HAVING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE LINE.

UM, AND WHEN WE GET TO STRATEGIES, SO NOW WE HAVE THREE MORE WEEKS AHEAD OF US TO PLAN, TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON ANOTHER TWO OR THREE MORE STRATEGIES.

AND BEFORE YOU KNOW, IT IT'S IT'S SUMMERTIME.

UH, SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN.

I WAS JUST THE TIME THAT IT MAY TAKE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THESE ISSUES.

GOTCHA.

HOW ABOUT LET'S DO THIS THEN? RIGHT.

SO LET'S WALK THROUGH EACH ONE OF, I KNOW WE DID SOMEWHAT LAST MONTH.

RIGHT.

BUT WHAT I'VE DONE AT LEAST THIS TIME, I'VE, I'VE WRITTEN DOWN SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, BASED ON OUR LAST CONVERSATION.

SO MAYBE LET'S KIND OF WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT AT LEAST I, IT DOWN, UH, THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AND THEN KIND OF GO FROM THERE.

RIGHT.

CAUSE A COUPLE OF, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ARE PRETTY EASY.

RIGHT.

BECAUSE THERE WERE A FEW OF THEM, WE WERE LIKE, WE WERE GOOD.

WE JUST, WE JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS LIKE THE BODY CAMERAS.

RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS APPROVED, UH, I GUESS THE PURCHASING OR THE ACQUISITION OF PRODUCT CAMERAS, BUT THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY WEARING THEM NOW? RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT DID THEY START WITH? THOSE WERE PRETTY SIMPLE.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A FEW OTHERS, RIGHT.

THAT ARE JUST PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD.

JUST MAYBE SOME CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS.

RIGHT.

BUT I THINK, BUT LET'S MAYBE JUST KIND OF WALK THROUGH EACH OF THE EIGHT POINTS.

UM, MAYBE LET'S AGREE ON THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK.

UM, AND THEN KIND OF GO FROM THERE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT.

I MEAN, YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

OKAY.

YEAH.

AND SO, UM, SO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, SO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER ONE, RIGHT.

SO, YOU KNOW, SORTA PARAPHRASE HERE, RIGHT.

SO IT HAD TO DO WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF, UM, A CITIZENRY CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, RIGHT.

THAT HAS SUBPOENA POWERS TO INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS REGARDING POLICE CONDUCT.

AND SO, AND I THINK THEY'RE THE INTERIORS.

THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE BOARD BASICALLY A BOARD THAT CAN DO PARALLEL INVESTIGATIONS WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS.

RIGHT.

AND THAT WHATEVER FINDINGS THAT WE HAVE, THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER THOSE FINDINGS THAT WE HAVE.

RIGHT.

THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE NAACP IS LOOKING FOR.

RIGHT.

AND THEN, HOWEVER, THE RESPONSE FROM THE HUBRIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST BASICALLY SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A VERY COMPREHENSIVE COMPLAINT INVESTIGATION PROCESS.

UM, AND, UH, AND THEY, THEY PROVIDE, DON'T HAVE A REVIEW BOARD, RIGHT.

AS CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, THAT'S A PART OF IT.

AND ONLY THING THEY DO IS THEY PROVIDE A ANNUAL REPORT AT THE END OF THE YEAR THAT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

SO AS WE DISCUSSED, RIGHT, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT MEETS THE INTENT OF WHAT THE ASK IS.

RIGHT.

AND SO I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, COULD WE PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN PLACE, RIGHT.

I MEAN, IS THERE ANY, UH, OPPOSITION TO ACTUALLY PUTTING A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD? NOW I KNOW NAACP WAS TALKING ABOUT ELECTING PEOPLE TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN OPTION, RIGHT? THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WE, AS THE COMMISSION, THAT GROUP, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE GROUP IS.

RIGHT.

I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT.

RIGHT.

I THINK WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME GROUP THAT COULD, AGAIN, SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS, BE ABLE TO DO OUR OWN INVESTIGATION, PROVIDE OUR RESULTS, UH, TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, AS INPUTS, RIGHT.

AS THEY'RE RUNNING THEIR INVESTIGATIONS.

SO, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ASK OR THE QUESTION THAT, HOW COULD WE PUT, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, ARE THEY WILLING TO, OR ARE THEY, UM, AND SUPPORTIVE DOING THAT? AND THEN WE JUST, THEN FROM THERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE STRUCTURALLY DO THAT? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND THEN AGAIN, THAT COULD BE SOME DISCUSSION, RIGHT? THERE'D BE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

BUT I MEAN, THAT'S SORTA HOW I SUM UP NUMBER ONE,

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THOUGHTS.

WELL, I THINK, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S A WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

I GUESS WHEN I WAS KIND OF LOOKING AT, AND MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE, IS SAFE.

I'M THINKING OF IT MORE FROM THE, FROM A RESIDENCY STANDPOINT, BECAUSE IF I FILE A COMPLAINT WITH HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY DO THEIR OWN INTERNAL AFFAIRS.

THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO REVIEW IT.

THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO RENDER A JUDGMENT.

AND THAT'S IT.

MY THOUGHT ON THIS CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD WILL BE, IS OKAY, SO SAY I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THE RESULT THEY CAME UP WITH NOW, WHAT ARE TURNITIN DO I HAVE AS A RESIDENT TO SEE IF WAS IT PROPERLY INVESTIGATED? WAS IT PROPERLY LOOKED INTO? AND SO I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT ON IT IS TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, OH, DO I HAVE AN AVENUE? AND I CAN HAVE SOME OF MY PEERS RIGHT.

TO TAKE A LOOK AT MY COMPLAINT AND SEE WASN'T JUSTIFIED, DID THEY DO IT RIGHT INTO IT? AND THAT KIND OF THING.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M LOOKING AT TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT BENEFIT COULD THAT BE TO A RESIDENT HERE, HERE.

RIGHT.

GOTCHA.

HOWEVER THOUGH, THAT'S NOT THE W SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE OKAY.

THAT'S THE ANGLE YOU'RE COMING.

AND THAT'S FINE.

I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE, THE POINT IS OR WHAT THE ASK IS, RIGHT.

THE WAY I'M INTERPRETING, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT.

OH, ABSOLUTELY.

I AGREE.

YEAH.

IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE NAACP IS.

RIGHT? EXACTLY.

SO THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO THAT'D.

THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT TALKED ABOUT COMPLAINTS AND HOW YOU ADDRESS COMPLAINTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT A CASE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE AN OFFICER HAS BEEN, I GUESS, ACCUSED OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE CASE MAY BE.

RIGHT.

AND THERE'S AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION THAT'S HAPPENING.

RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

AND THEY'RE SAYING, WAIT, WE WANT TO HAVE A BOARD, A GROUP THAT'S DOING A PARALLEL INVESTIGATION.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

SO, SO MAY I ASK THIS QUESTION, ARE, IS ANYONE ON HERE OPPOSED TO OPPOSE, TO, TO HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HAVING A PARALLEL REVIEW BOARD, I GUESS FIRST THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO REACH AGREEMENT ON THAT.

UM, I'M FOR IT, I'M JUST ALWAYS GOING BACK TO OUR, BASICALLY OUR CHARTER AND FOR THE LAST MINUTES OF THE DUTIES RESPONSIBILITIES, IT SAYS THE COMMISSION MAY OR MAY ALSO SERVE AS A REVIEW SLASH ADVISORY PANEL FOR AN INVESTIGATOR COMPLAINT RESOLUTION FOR BIAS BASED ISSUES BROUGHT ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY OR A CITY.

SO WHEN I WAS FIRST REVIEWING THIS, THE MAP THAT I SAW WAS BASICALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT THOSE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR US.

UM, BUT DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THOSE DUTIES THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMISSION TO HELP FILL THAT GAP.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS THAT I ALREADY SAID THAT WE HAVE THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES TO HELP WITH THE INVESTIGATION PROCESS AND BEING AN ADVISORY PANEL FOR INVESTIGATIONS, FOR, YOU KNOW, BIASED BASED COMMUNITY ISSUES.

HOW DO WE DO THAT? YEAH, EXACTLY.

I THINK THAT'S THE THING, IT'S THE IMPLEMENTATION PART, RIGHT? BECAUSE YEAH.

YOU CAN DEFINE THE SCOPE OF WHAT IT IS, BUT WHAT DOES IT REALLY LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY EXECUTING IT? RIGHT.

WHAT DOES THAT REAL PROCESS? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE FINE.

RIGHT? WE NEED, WE NEED TO FEED BACK FROM THE CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT COMMISSION, WHAT IT MEANS FROM THE, FROM THE CITY ON HOW THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, RIGHT.

HOW WOULD YOU IMPLEMENT THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE SORTED.

AND THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE PART THAT I'M SAYING, THAT'S WHAT EXACTLY WHAT, AS STEFAN SAID, HOW DO WE DO THAT? BECAUSE THAT IS A PIECE THAT'S THERE, BUT THERE'S NO REVIEW OF THAT IN THE DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY SENT US, AS FAR AS IF A CITIZEN HAS A COMPLAINT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, NOTHING ADDRESSES THAT.

AND SO, AND THEN AGAIN, RIGHT, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, WHAT THE NAACP IS ASKING FOR IS THEY'RE BEING SPECIFIC, RIGHT.

AND THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, WE WANT THIS GROUP TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY CONDUCT THEIR PARALLEL WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS, RIGHT.

AGAIN, THE QUESTION TOO, TOO CHEAP FLIGHT IN THERE.

AND ROB, ARE WE OPPOSED TO THAT SPECIFIC? SO WE CAN SAY HAVING AN INVESTIGATION PROCESS, LOOKING AT COMPLAINTS, BUT ARE, ARE WE DEALING WITH ACTUALLY DOING WHAT THIS SPECIFICALLY IS ASKING FOR? THIS HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC.

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I THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE PUT THAT MEAN, HOW DO THEY PROPOSE MAYBE PUTTING THAT IN PLACE? SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, AGAIN, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF WHAT THE NAACP IS ASKING FOR.

RIGHT.

AND THEN, UH, GETTING, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET A RESPONSE BACK FROM THE CITY AS TO, UM, CAUSE AGAIN, I SEE THEIR RESPONSE AND IT DOES, IT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS THE QUESTION.

RIGHT.

IT DOESN'T, UM, AT LEAST NOT FULLY.

SO, UM, OKAY.

SO LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, WHICH IS, LET'S SEE INITIATIVE TO CREATE A MORE TRANSPARENT PROCESS AROUND ACCOUNTABILITY OF OFFICERS VIOLATE A CITIZEN'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, UH, POLICE ETHICS DEPARTMENT POLICY BY MAKING THEIR NAMES AND DISCIPLINARY RECORDS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, SO IF YOU, IF WE LOSE ERIC, HE'S STILL ON THE RIGHT.

OKAY.

I JUST DON'T SEE HIM.

ALL RIGHT.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I DIDN'T NOTICE HIM.

ALL RIGHT.

SO HERE.

RIGHT.

SO, UH, AGAIN, SO IN LOOKING AT THE RESPONSE FROM THE HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, UH, I'M PARAPHRASING, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY, THEY, THEY COMMENT BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'RE COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, UH, AND, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ACKNOWLEDGES PERSON THAN RICE WITHOUT PEOPLE TO RECORD POLICE ACTIVITY AND, UH, TALK ABOUT IT, THEN THEY GO INTO DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, HOW THEY HAVE THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO, TO, UM, INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO INVESTIGATE OFFICER ALLEGATIONS.

RIGHT.

AND THEN THEY HAVE COMPLAINT FORMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AS SORT OF WHAT THEY, THEIR RESPONSE WAS.

RIGHT.

SO I JUST, AGAIN, IF I'M JUST READING THE INTENT OF WHAT THE NAACP IS LOOKING FOR, I DON'T THINK IT'S THEIR RESPONSES ADDRESSING THAT.

RIGHT.

UM, CAUSE THEY'RE ASKING FOR IN THIS CASE, RIGHT.

IF THE OFFICER'S INVOLVED IN SOME SORT OF, UM, MISCONDUCT, RIGHT.

WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE, THERE IS NO RECORD.

I MEAN, AT LEAST AS FAR AS I KNOW, RIGHT.

THEY MAKE THE RECORDS MADE AVAILABLE, RIGHT.

THE PERSON'S NAME AND WHAT THEY DID OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE.

RIGHT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.

RIGHT.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN, EVEN IN SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY SENT TO US, RIGHT.

THEY HAD A RIGHT.

THEY PROVIDED ANNUAL REPORT.

AND AT THE END, AT THE REPORT, THIS DIDN'T HAVE ANY BODIES.

IT DID KIND OF AT A HIGH LEVEL, DESCRIBE WHAT MAYBE WHAT THE, MAYBE WHAT THE POINT WAS OR WHAT THE INCIDENT WAS, BUT IT DIDN'T GET ANY MORE DETAILS THAN THAT.

FROM WHAT I REMEMBER AGAIN, I LOOKED AT THAT MAYBE A MONTH OR SO AGO.

RIGHT.

SO, SO THE QUESTION HERE IS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? HOW, HOW SHOULD THIS, IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, IF AN OFFICER WAS INVOLVED IN SOME SORT OF, UH, MISCONDUCT, RIGHT.

HOW SHOULD THAT BE? AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NAACP IS IN TENDERS IN TERMS OF MAKING IT PUBLIC, WHETHER THAT'S VIA A CITY'S WEBSITE.

I DON'T KNOW.

RIGHT.

BUT AGAIN, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THEY REALLY ADDRESSED THE INTENT OF WHAT NAACP IS LOOKING FOR THOUGHTS.

PERHAPS THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN ALSO, UM, MAYBE KICK AROUND AND ADD TO THE WEBSITE, OUR REFORM AREA ON THE WEBSITE, AN AREA FOR TRANSPARENCY, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, THE STATS, THE REPORTING, THE THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT THEY ARE ASKING FOR A MORE TRANSPARENT PROCESS.

SO I THINK OUR FIRST QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY THAT PRIZES COMFORTABLE WITH? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M NECESSARILY AN AGREEMENT THAT ANYTIME THERE'S AN INCIDENT, WE NEED TO BE PUBLICIZING NAMES AND INFORMATION.

I DO AGREE IF THERE ARE LARGE LIFE TAKING OR LIFE-THREATENING INCIDENCES THAT YES, WE NEED TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH THAT INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY WHEN THAT'S MAYBE PERSON THAT HAS TO HAVE HAD MORE THAN ONE EXPERIENCE LIKE THIS.

UM, BUT EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE HUBER HEIGHTS, UM, THE POLICE PAGE OF THE WEBSITE, UM, IT HAS HAD A, THERE'S NO LIKE LINKS TO THE FORM OR WAYS TO DO THINGS ANONYMOUSLY.

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AND THAT'S A PART OF THE PROCESS FOR TRANSPARENCY AND THAT I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS IN ADDITION.

YEP.

YEP.

NO, I AGREE.

I AGREE.

YES.

OTHER THOUGHTS? I AGREE WITH, I THINK THE RESPONSE ON THE OUTLINE THAT THEY PROVIDED PROVIDED THE, THE INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THEY KEEP TRACK OF THESE COMPLAINTS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST TO, YOU KNOW, GET THAT INFORMATION, WHICH WE, YOU KNOW, TAKE TIME ON BEHALF OF, UH, THE AVERAGE CITIZEN.

BUT THE QUESTION HERE IS HOW DO WE MAKE THAT PROCESS MORE TRANSPARENT BEING THE KEYWORDS.

AND AGAIN, WHAT'S THAT COMFORTABLE LEVEL THAT, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT AND OUR CITIZENS ARE, UH, ARE HAPPY WITH.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY IT'S GONNA REQUIRE A LOT MORE RESEARCH AND REACH OUT TO OTHER COMMUNITIES WHO'VE, YOU KNOW, ALREADY PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE TRANSPARENT PROCESSES AND IMPLEMENTING SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME BEST PRACTICES.

BUT I, I, I AGREE.

THIS HAS TO GO ALONG THE LINES OF BEING MORE TRANSPARENT.

IT'S TRANSPARENT.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GRAB INFORMATION THROUGH A FOLDER REQUEST.

HOW DO WE GET THE PROCESS TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT? SO, YEAH.

I AGREE WITH YOU, TERRY.

YEP.

YEP.

DEFINITELY.

YEAH.

CAUSE AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT HERE TO DEFINE WHAT THAT SHOULD BE, RIGHT.

AGAIN, ALL I'M SAYING HERE IS I'M LOOKING AT WHAT THE END OF THE NAACP, THEY DON'T REALLY DEFINE IT EITHER.

RIGHT.

IT'S JUST, THEY WANT MORE TRANSPARENCY.

THEY SAID THEY WANT NAMES TO BE MADE AVAILABLE, BUT AT THE SAME, AT THE SAME POINT, RIGHT.

I WANT TO BE CAREFUL TOO.

RIGHT.

YOU START PUBLISHING NAMES OF OFFICERS IN THEIR RECORDS.

RIGHT.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT OFFICERS AT RISK.

RIGHT.

I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE OR WHAT THE SITUATION DID.

RIGHT.

SO, I MEAN, WE WANT TO BE FAIR TO THE POLICE FORCE RIGHT OVER TO THE OFFICERS ARE INVOLVED IN WHAT HAPPENED, I GUESS AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE SITUATION IS, BUT, BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE JUST NEED TO FIND SPECIFICALLY WHAT THAT, AGAIN, I CAN TALK ABOUT THE RIGHT.

WE DO WANT TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT, BUT WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S REASONABLE, RIGHT.

TERMS OF WHAT MAYBE THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, UM, AND WHAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOME, HOPEFULLY SOME HAPPY, HAPPY MEDIUM THAT WE CAN FIND TO.

AND I SAID, I LIKE YOUR POINT TO WRITE ABOUT MAYBE ON OUR, ON OUR SITE, YOU KNOW, JUST THESE REPORTS.

RIGHT? SO WE, A LOT OF THIS DATA THAT I GOT FROM ROB, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU CAN FIND THAT AT.

RIGHT.

I JUST, I MEAN, OF COURSE I ASKED, YOU KNOW, WE PUT TOGETHER THE LIST OF QUESTIONS AND HE PROVIDED ALL THIS DATA TO US.

RIGHT.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

THE AVERAGE PERSON IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO LOOK FOR IT, BUT I GUESS IF WE COULD MAKE IT MORE EASILY AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE, GET TO IT, THAT WOULD BE THAT'S, THAT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

UM, YOU KNOW, UM, GETTING THROUGH THE DAY WE WANT TO BUILD, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COMMUNITY TO BUILD A STRONGER RELATIONSHIP WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

RIGHT.

AND VICE VERSA.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE.

UM, IT SHOULD BE A WIN-WIN SITUATION FOR WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.

RIGHT.

IT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW.

SO, UM, I KNOW IT HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOME GIFTS ON BOTH, BOTH ENDS.

SO, UM, COOL.

ANY MORE THOUGHTS ON, ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, JUST ONE LAST THING.

UM, REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT DAYTON'S WEBSITE.

THE CITY OF DAYTON IS, I MEAN, THEY'RE HERE WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

UM, THEY HAVE POLICE REFORM HAS ITS OWN WEBSITE FOR DATING.

AND WITHIN THAT, THERE ARE SO MANY TABS WHERE YOU CAN REPORT YOUR CONCERN, UM, YOUR DATA REQUESTS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE EVERYTHING THAT WE REQUESTED BELIEVER CONTRACTS.

ALL OF THE POLICE POLICIES ARE LISTED.

THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE ASKING A LOT, BUT IT IS AN AMAZING BENCHMARK OF WHERE TRANSPARENCY CAN BE.

AND COPY FOR ONE SECOND.

SORRY.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.

I ADDED THAT AS A LATE AGENDA ITEM.

THAT WAS GREAT.

CAUSE I, I THINK THAT THAT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE A USEFUL, UH, RESOURCE RESOURCE FOR US.

RIGHT.

BUT I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT, BUT YEAH, LET'S, LET'S DEFINITELY CIRCLE BACK ON THAT TOPIC, UM, BEFORE WE END THIS CALL.

UM, WE'RE GOOD.

BUT YEAH.

SO THE OTHER THING I KIND OF HAD HERE TOO, IS,

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UM, I GUESS I PUT DOWN THERE, HOW CAN WE HAVE A MORE REAL-TIME REVIEW? OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

I CAN'T READ MY WRITING HERE.

UH, I CAN BE REVIEWED THE PROCESS.

I HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE WHAT I, THIS COMMENT I HAD, BUT ANYWAY, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE WAIT, SO RIGHT NOW YOU MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, RIGHT? THE ONLY WAY TO FILL OUT A FORM, UM, A COMPLAINT FORM BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO VISIT THE POLICE STATION, RIGHT.

OR YOU CAN CALL AND ASK FOR THE SUPERVISOR AND FILE A COMPLAINT THAT WAY.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S NOT IDEAL.

UM, SO I, I THINK WE JUST PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT OTHER WAYS AND MEANS OF, OF, UH, SUBMITTING COMPLAINTS.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE USER FRIENDLY IF YOU WILL, UH, OR CITIZENS FRIENDLY.

UM, SO I THINK, YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME, MAYBE SOME, SOME OTHER WAYS, SOME ALTERNATIVE WAYS OR TO, TO SUPPORT THAT, THAT, UH, THAT END.

UM, SO GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THAT'S ALL I HAD ON, ON ITEM TWO.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS EVERYBODY CAN EVERYONE GOOD ON SORT OF WHAT WE WANT TO FOCUS THE DISCUSSION ON ITEM TWO.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO ITEM THREE, UM, HAS TO DO WITH, UH, C YOU KNOW, CREATE POLICIES WHERE OFFICERS THAT DISCHARGE A WEAPON OR, OR USE EXCESSIVE FORCE AGAINST AN ARM ON PERSON THAT COULD BE SUSPENDED WITHOUT PAY PENDING FURTHER INVESTIGATION.

AND HE ALSO MAKE THE POINT ABOUT MAKING THEIR TEAMS AVAILABLE, UH, AND THEIR RECORDS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, AND THEY SAID, OKAY, SO WHO PROVIDES THE PROPER? JUST SAID, THEY SAID IT WENT EIGHT.

SO THEY DID SAY THAT WHEN AN OFFICER IS INVOLVED IN A, A DEATH ACTION OR A SERIOUS INJURY INVESTIGATION, UH, OR A SERIOUS INJURY INCIDENT, UH, THOSE OFFICERS PUT ON, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE I'LL JUST PUT ON LEAVE OF DUTY.

HERSA IS IMMEDIATELY, UH, RELIEVED.

OKAY.

HE'S IMMEDIATELY RELIEVED THE FULL DUTY.

NOW, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHEN THEY SAY, IS THIS PLEASE BELIEVE FULL DUDE.

DOES THAT MEAN HE'S LIKE ON DESK DUTY OR DOES HE JUST NOT COME TO WORK AT ALL? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT RIDING AROUND IN YOUR, IN YOUR SQUADRON CAR, YOU KNOW, SQUAT WITH SQUADRON CAR, SO OUT THERE IN THE FIELD.

RIGHT.

SO I DON'T, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MORE OF A QUESTION.

DOES THAT MEAN THEY'RE IN THE OFFICE? UM, OR ARE THEY AT HOME WHILE THE INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING? UM, NOW OF COURSE THE, IF YOU NOTICE HERE, THE ASK REQUEST THAT YOU ENDED UP WITH A CP HAS, IS THEY'RE ALSO ASKING THAT THE PERSON NOT BE PAID.

RIGHT.

SO, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A QUESTION IN, IN, IN THIS CASE WHERE AN OFFICER'S INVOLVED IN A, AGAIN IN A SHOOTING OF AN UNARMED INDIVIDUAL, WHAT HAVE YOU, RIGHT.

DO THEY, ARE THEY STILL GETTING PAID? AND IT JUST THE QUESTION AND ARE THEY DOING A DESK JOB? IT'S JUST A QUESTION.

UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE THOUGHTS ON IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

UM, AND SO W THOUGHTS, YOU GUYS HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE, ADDRESSING YOUR QUESTION.

IT'S, IT'S ADDRESSED INSIDE OF GENERAL ORDER ONE OH FOUR, SECTION FIVE, DISCHARGE DISCHARGING FIREARMS REPORT INVESTIGATION, SECTION FIVE, UM, UH, ITEM B RELIEF FROM PHIL DUTY.

SO THAT'S WHERE YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY IS ADDRESSED AT, REGARDING WHAT SPILLS OUT.

SO BASICALLY SAYING, WELL, PARAGRAPH TWO OF SECTION PART FIVE, UH, SAYS THAT DURING THE PERIOD OF TIME IN THE INVESTIGATION INTO INCIDENT IS CONDUCTED, THE CHIEF OF POLICE MAY AT HIS OR HER OPTION TO SIGN, TO EMPLOY INVOLVED TO INCITE DUTY, SUCH RELIEF FROM DUTY WILL NOT CONSIDERED A SUSPENSION OR DISCIPLINARY ACTION AGAINST THE EMPLOYEE, BUT RATHER ADMINISTRATOR COURSE OF ACTION.

AND, AND A SECTION THREE SAYS THE CHIEF WILL DETERMINE THE PERIOD OF TIME SPAN ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE OR INSIDE DUTY.

SO IT ADDRESSES WHAT RELIEF FROM FILL DUTY SPECIFICALLY MEANS IN THE THREE PARAGRAPHS

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GABBY.

AND I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION AND WHAT OCCURRED RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY HERE, THEY'RE SPEAKING TO, UM, AND THIS IS ALL A SUBJECTIVE THING, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU GET ITEM THREE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THE CASE ASSUMPTION HERE IS THAT THE OFFICER WAS IN THE WRONG LIGHT, I GUESS WHEN YOU READ NUMBER THREE, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, HE DISCHARGED HIS WEAPONS IN, OR USES EXCESSIVE FORCE AGAINST AN UNARMED PERSON.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S IN THAT CASE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MADE THE, I STILL TO THE DISCRETION OF THE POLICE CHIEF OR WHAT HAVE YOU AS TO WHETHER OR NOT HE'S GOING TO SUSPEND HIM WITHOUT PAY.

AND, AND HE STAYS AT HOME.

I DON'T KNOW.

RIGHT.

I JUST WANT SOME DISCUSSION, BUT, UM, ANYTHING ELSE? I MEAN, UH, TAR ERIC, YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? YOU GUYS ARE GOOD.

OKAY.

SO LET'S MOVE ITEM FOUR.

UM, SO IT SAYS, OKAY, YOU ENSURE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY BY REQUIRING FRONT FACING CAMERAS AND AT LEAST TWO IN CAR FACING CAMERAS, ONE FACING THE STREET AND THE OTHER TOWARD THE PERSON IN CUSTODY.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, AGAIN, I MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, RIGHT? WE KNOW THAT LIKE WE WERE AT ANY, I KNOW I WAS AT THE, WHAT WAS IT? THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING LAST FALL, WHERE THEY HAD, UH, I GUESS THE APPROVED OR, UM, WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY GOT APPROVAL TO REQUIRE THE, THE BODY CAMERAS.

SO, UM, WHICH IS GOOD.

THE ONLY QUESTION IS, ARE THEY, ARE THEY WEARING THEM NOW? I JUST DON'T KNOW.

AND THEN WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THIS, UM, THE, SO THE, OKAY, SO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAYS, HEY, WE HAVE THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE IS AT THE TIME, RIGHT? AGAIN, THIS, WHEN THEY RESPONDED, THIS WAS AUDIO, BODY CAMERA, UM, PURCHASE WAS APPROVED.

CAUSE THEIR RESPONSE WAS, UH, THEY STATED THAT THEY USE IN CAR CAMERA SYSTEM IS WHAT THEY STATED AND THEIR RESPONSE TO THE NAACP.

RIGHT.

SO MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHAT WAS IT? ONE CAMERA, TWO CAMERAS.

WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE CAMERA FACE IT'S JUST REALLY ASKING, DID THEY ADDRESS OR ARE THEY ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING IT THE WAY THE NAACP RECOMMENDED? I'M NOT SAYING IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG.

IT'S JUST, I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION AS TO, IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING OR THEY'RE NOT, THEN THEY'RE JUST NOT, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION.

NOPE.

EVERYONE'S GOOD.

COOL.

YOU GUYS ARE GETTING QUIETER NOW.

ALL THE TOXINS.

ALL RIGHT, COOL.

LET'S GO TO ITEM FIVE.

SO, UM, I JUST WOULD, I WOULD SEE, COULD WARRANT SOME CONVERSATION MORE SO TO JUST KIND OF BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, SO INCLUDE IN OFFICER'S CORE TRAINING AND EMPHASIS ON MENTAL HEALTH DEESCALATION COMMUNITY RELATIONS, UM, WAS WHAT THE, WHAT THE NAACP WAS ASKING FOR.

AND SO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPONDED BASICALLY SAYING THAT THEY TRAIN, UM, PERSONNEL ANNUALLY ON MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

UM, AND I THINK I WENT TO THERE.

I FORGET WHAT GENERAL ORDER IT WAS.

I DID LOOK AT THAT BRIEFLY AND LOOKED AT THEIR TRAINING PLAN.

AND I NOTICED THAT THEY, THERE IS A, THERE IS A ANNUAL, UM, TRAINING ON, I THINK IT WAS CALLED MENTAL HEALTH OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT THERE WAS AN ANNUAL TRAINING THAT THEY DO ON MENTAL HEALTH.

DON'T KNOW WHAT, OBVIOUSLY WHAT'S PUT THAT INCLUDES WHAT THAT ENTAILS, BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT.

AND THEN THEY, UH, THEY MENTIONED, UH, THEY HAVE A DIRECTIVE ON RECOGNIZING AND DEALING WITH PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ISSUES.

UM, AND THEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE HEALTH PROGRAM.

I GUESS IT'S A DATABASE

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THAT, UH, KEEPS TRACK OF PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS.

UM, SO THAT WAS BASICALLY THEIR RESPONSE.

AND SO I JUST THINK THE QUESTION HERE IS JUST, WELL, I GUESS WHAT I HAD HERE WAS JUST TO GAIN A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THAT PROCESS, OF HOW THAT PROCESS IS.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I CAN, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU BETTER EXPLAIN HOW THE PROCESS IS ADMINISTERING, UH, OR HIGHER PROCESS ADMINISTERED WHEN DEALING WITH PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS, RIGHT.

HOW DOES HPD WORK WITH THE CRISIS CARE? CAUSE THEY MAY HAVE, UH, MAYBE KINDA EXPLAINED SOME DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES, SO JUST KIND OF BETTER UNDERSTANDING HOW DO THEY REALLY, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENT THAT, RIGHT? HOW IS IT REALLY, HOW DO THEY REALLY OPERATE, UH, IN A SITUATION, UM, WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A MENTAL, UH, MENTAL ISSUE OR IS HAVING A MENTAL CRISIS, RIGHT.

IT'S JUST REALLY UNDERSTANDING THEIR PROCESS A LITTLE BIT BETTER IS SORT OF ALL I REALLY CAPTURED.

UM, SO I JUST ASSUMED, THEY'LL JUST KIND OF MAYBE WALK US THROUGH THAT AND HOW THEY, AGAIN, HOW THEY WORK WITH THE CRISIS CARE AND, AND, AND ANY OTHER, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, UM, WHEN, WHEN CALLED TO DEAL WITH AN INDIVIDUAL.

SO IT HAS THOSE ISSUES, UH, A, A, ANY ADDS, ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS, I GUESS THE ONLY ADD I HAD WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY CALLS THEY GO ON THAT FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF, UH, UH, STRANGE MENTAL HEALTH CALLS, I SUPPOSE.

AND, UH, I GUESS, UH, DISCOURSE OF THOSE CALLS OR THOSE LIKE CAREGIVERS THAT ARE CALLING ON, YOU KNOW, PLEASE ASSISTANCE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THE, THAT, THAT, WHO DID THEY KNOW THAT THE PERSON OR INDIVIDUAL IS GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, A MENTAL BREAKDOWN OR IS IT SOMEBODY WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND YOU HAVE A CERTAIN CITIZEN THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, CAUSE A POLICE BECAUSE OF A PERSON GOING THROUGH A MENTAL BREAKDOWN, YOU KNOW, TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, BUT IN PACKING THE SAME PERSONNEL, I'M JUST CURIOUS ON HOW, HOW OFTEN DOES THAT OCCUR.

AND THEN OFTEN I GUESS, DO THEY GO BACK AND REFLECT ON THOSE MOMENTS TO SEE IF THEY HAD IT APPROPRIATELY AND HOW CAN THEY HANDLE IT BETTER IN THE FUTURE? SO THAT'S ALL I WAS THINKING.

THAT'S GOOD.

SO, UM, GOOD.

DO YOU HAVE THAT, HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING ANYBODY ELSE? I GUESS IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, BUT WITH THE EMPHASIS ON THE MENTAL HEALTH, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, ATOMISED FORD FUNDING FOR, UM, CRISIS RESPONSE TYPE OFFICERS, BUT LIKE SOCIAL WORKERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND I GUESS KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON A STEFAN, IF THERE IS ENOUGH INCIDENTS OUT HERE, HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LOOKED INTO RETAINING SOMEBODY THROUGH GRANT FUNDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT RESPOND IN THOSE INCIDENTS, NOT JUST TRAINING ADDITIONAL OFFICERS OR OFFERING ADDITIONAL TRAINING.

UM, THEY JUST HIRED SOMEBODY IN KETTERING AND THERE'S A JOB POSTING FOR DAYTON FOR THAT POSITION, UM, WHICH ARE SOCIAL WORKERS.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY QUESTION IS IF IT WOULD BE NECESSARY OR IF IT WOULD BEHOOVE US AND HUBER TO LOOK INTO THAT ADDITIONAL SOURCE FOR SOMEBODY TO RESPOND IN THESE INCIDENTS.

YEAH.

IT'S GOING TO BE A WIN-WIN SITUATION, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION ON SEEKING, YOU KNOW, THE OUTSIDE SOURCES LIKE TARA WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, AND THEN THAT THEN TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITY AND STRESS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT TO NOT HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION.

AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

I THINK THAT IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S INDIVIDUAL WHERE THERE COULD BE LIKE AN, A POSITION THAT CAN BE CREATED FOR FUNDING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TAX PERIODS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF.

UH, I THINK IT CAN BE LIKE A WIN-WIN FOR, FOR BOTH OUR COMMISSIONER AND THE CITY, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MENTAL HEALTH, MENTAL HEALTH IS ALWAYS A, A BIG ISSUE WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL ALWAYS WANT TO, I COME FROM A BACKGROUND WHERE MY PARENTS, YOU KNOW, WERE CAREGIVERS AND TOOK CARE OF THE MENTALLY, MENTALLY CHALLENGED INDIVIDUALS.

SO IT'S EASY TO SEE HOW COSTS CAN GO STRAY WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE PROPER TRAINING OR JUST DON'T

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HAVE THE TIME TO PROPERLY DEAL WITH THE SITUATION.

SO IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH, WITH THE SPECIFIC STRATEGY.

YEAH, I AGREE AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I SEE THIS ONE WARRANT AND SOME GOOD CONVERSATION, RIGHT.

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IDEAS AND POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT.

UH, SO ERIC, YOU WERE ON MUTE.

I THINK YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING, YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED.

DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD BECAUSE YOU'RE ON MUTE? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

YOU'RE STILL ON MUTE.

YEP.

THERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I AGREE WITH, UH, WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS HERE.

AND I THINK IT WOULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO SEE IF THERE'S, UH, MOMMY, YOU KNOW, OFFERS, UM, PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY TRY TO HELP EDUCATE.

UM, AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN OFFER COMMUNITY TOO, AS WELL, TO HELP EDUCATE KIND OF LIKE WHAT ASTONISHED AS ESTEFAN SAID, HOW DO I MAKE THAT CALL, YOU KNOW, SAYING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? CAUSE YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS THERE.

THEIR MAIN JOB IS WHAT IS MY BREAKING, THE LAW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU KNOW, AND A MENTAL HEALTH PERSON, YES.

COULD BREAKING THE LAW, BUT THE SITUATION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UH, AND IT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED DIFFERENTLY.

SO, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD AGREE.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN THOSE CALLS KIND OF COME INTO, YOU KNOW, DISPATCH FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SOME HELP AND SOME GUIDANCE THERE AS WELL TO TRY TO HELP, YOU KNOW, STEER THAT CALL IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

YEAH.

OH YEAH.

I'M WITH YOU.

SO AGAIN, GUYS, KEEP IN MIND.

SO THE WAY WE'LL, WE'LL WALK THROUGH THIS, RIGHT.

I GUESS I'LL, I'LL LEAD OFF WITH SOME QUESTIONS.

RIGHT.

BUT AGAIN, GUYS, FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN, YOU KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, ASK ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.

RIGHT.

UM, SO AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL LEAD OFF QUESTIONS, BUT AGAIN, I, I, UH, LOOK TO YOU ALL TO, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET INTO THE CONVERSATION, UM, YOU KNOW, IF COMPLIMENTS, RIGHT.

LET'S TRY AND CAPTURE SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS AND THINGS.

UM, SO, OKAY, GOOD.

GOOD, GOOD, GOOD, GOOD, GOOD DISCUSSION.

UH, SO LET'S GO TO, I KNOW WE ALREADY, IT'S BEEN AN HOUR, RIGHT.

IT'S ALREADY OVER NOW.

SO LET'S TRY AND GET THIS DONE BEFORE EIGHT O'CLOCK IF THAT WORKS.

UM, SO THE SIXTH, SO I DIDN'T SIX, RIGHT? IT'S ABOUT THE BAN BAN, THE USE OF NI AND CHARCOAL.

RIGHT? SO, UM, THERE WAS, UH, HUGH PRICE RESPONSE BASICALLY SAID YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REVISION.

A REVISION HAS BEEN DRAFTED, MOVED NECK, NECK HOLDS ALSO DEPARTMENT MENTIONED THAT ALL USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS ARE REVIEWED AND THE, AND THEY, AND THEY ALSO, YOU KNOW, REVIEW THE OUT THERE, USE OF FORCE POLICY, YOU KNOW, ANNUALLY, RIGHT.

TO MAKE UPDATES AS NEEDED.

SO, UM, I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION HERE, YOU KNOW, THEY MENTIONED THAT IT WAS AVERAGE DRAFT REVISION.

I JUST DON'T THIS QUESTION IS, HAS IT BEEN ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED AND APPROVED? THAT'S ALL I THINK WE JUST NEED TO KNOW, IS IT ACTUALLY IN EFFECT, RIGHT.

IS, IS WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW.

UM, BUT I JUST, ONE OTHER QUESTION IS THEY MENTIONED THEY REVIEW AND MAYBE MY QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, HOW OFTEN HAVE THEY, I GUESS THEY REVIEW IT ANNUALLY.

HOW OFTEN HAVE THEY MADE CHANGES OR MAYBE BE NICE TO KNOW OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WHAT CHANGES HAVE THEY MADE? UH, YOU KNOW, AS THEY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE USE OF POLICY, JUST, JUST MORE OF A QUESTION AND UNDERSTANDING AS TO, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT MAY HAVE MAY HAVE HAD IN THE PAST.

AND THEY'RE NO LONGER THERE.

I JUST, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION TO PUT ON THE TABLE, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY, HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR CONCERNS ON THIS ONE? ANYONE ELSE? NO, NOT AT THIS POINT.

YEAH.

SO, UH, AND THEN THE C OKAY.

SO I'D HAVE SAID THAT ALL APPLICANTS AND RECRUIT OFFICERS TO REFLECT, UH, DEMOGRAPHICS BASICALLY, AND THE PSYCHOLOGICAL VALID EVALUATION.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE ASK IS FROM THE, FROM THE PCP.

UM, SO THE HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPONDED BY SAYING,