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[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]

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GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

AGAIN, IT IS SIX O'CLOCK.

SO WE'RE GETTING STARTED RUNNING TIME.

THIS SAYS, SEE IF YOU WERE HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION HYBRID IN-PERSON ROAD MEETING.

UH, TODAY'S DATE IS MARCH 16TH, 2021.

AND WE ARE HERE AT CITY HALL.

THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.

MR. ROGERS, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. SHAWL, HERE BAKER HERE.

MR. CAMPBELL.

HERE.

THIS IS BERGE MR. OTTO HERE.

MR. LYONS HERE, MR. HILL HERE.

MR. WEBB HERE, MAYOR GORE HERE.

[2. Approval of Minutes]

UH, NUMBER TWO IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

UH, ITEM TWO EIGHT FROM MARCH 2ND, 2021.

UM, I THINK MS. ROGERS, THOSE ARE THE MINUTES THAT YOU'RE STILL PREPARING, CORRECT? YEP.

SO THOSE ARE AVAILABLE TONIGHT.

WE'LL HAVE TWO SETS NEXT WEEK.

OKAY.

TWO SETS OF MINUTES NEXT WEEKS FOR APPROVAL.

[ City Manager Resignation Discussion]

NEXT UP IS THAT NUMBER THREE WORK SESSION, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION.

UH, AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, WE HAD A, AND I, WE TALKED ABOUT EVEN ON FACEBOOK TALKING ABOUT THIS, UH, WORK SESSION TO HAVE PART OF THE SAME MANAGER, UH, UH, RESIGNATION DISCUSSION.

AND IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO DID WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT TONIGHT, I CERTAINLY, WE STILL WANTED TO OFFER THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE HAD TOLD YOU PREVIOUSLY THAT WE WOULD, UH, SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, JUST, UH, THE MOTION WAS APPROVED LAST NIGHT.

I I'M NOT MISTAKEN IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION WAS, UM, WAS APPROVED, UH, OR PASSED TODAY AT THE SECOND READING.

UH, BUT I WOULD OPEN IT UP TO, UH, ANYONE WHO HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEY'D LIKE TO SAY OR DISCUSS ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ITEM B, WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT, I HAVE ONE SIGNED UP AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE ONE OTHER PERSON IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS, OKAY.

UM, WHENEVER RENT, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

GOOD EVENING.

IT WOULD APPEAR THAT WE ARE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE OF STANDARD HR PROCEDURES WERE NOT BEING FOLLOWED BY IN OUR CITY.

AND IN ADDITION, WE HAVE A RESIGNATION CONSULTING AGREEMENT THAT ACCORDING TO LAST NIGHT WAS A CUT AND PASTE FROM THAT DONE FOR ANOTHER CITY.

NOW, TO TOP IT ALL OFF THE NUMBERS, GIVEN TO CITY COUNCIL IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND STATED AGAIN, LAST NIGHT FOR THE VOUCHER VALUE, DETERMINATION WERE NOT ACCURATE.

EVEN MYSELF WITH MY EXPERIENCE IN BUSINESS, I RECOGNIZE LAST NIGHT, THAT $5,000 WAS NOT A REASONABLE AMOUNT FOR HEALTH, DENTAL, AND VISION FOR A YEAR, CONSIDERING THAT MOST OF OUR PEOPLE ON COUNCIL ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE, SOME WHO OWN THEIR OWN BUSINESSES, CERTAINLY THAT SHOULD HAVE RUNG A BELL WITH YOU.

I REACHED OUT FOR CONFIRMATION AFTER THE MEETING LAST NIGHT, BECAUSE THERE I DID, IT SOUNDED TO ME MORE OF WHAT THE EMPLOYEE WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING RATHER THAN WHAT THE COST OF THE CITY WAS.

I KNOW WHEN I LEFT A COMPANY AND THEY OFFERED ME COBRA HEALTH ALONE WAS $1,800 A MONTH.

I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT THIS WE SHOULD REALIZE AND LEARN, AND SOME THINGS SHOULD CHANGE.

I'M SURE MR. MCDONALD IS A VERY GOOD PERSON, BUT THIS IS AN EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE MISTAKE THAT HAS BEEN MADE.

DECISIONS WERE MADE THAT WE, THE TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.

I THINK THAT OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERED IF MR. SCHOMER WAS NOT SU SUFFICIENT AS AN EMPLOYEE, WE NEED A LAWYER THAT WILL MAKE SURE THAT HE IS GIVING US ACCURATE INFORMATION WHEN YOU ALL MAKE DECISIONS THAT THE TAXPAYERS HAVE TO BE.

HEY FAR.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

VERY COMMENTS, MR. ROGERS.

UM, NEXT, JUST SPEAK, JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE TODAY.

UH, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IT'S, UH, IT'S ALWAYS AT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, BE A CITIZEN TO COME OUT HERE AND EXPRESS OUR VIEWS.

AND I APOLOGIZE NOT BEING HERE YESTERDAY, AS Y'ALL ALWAYS KNOW, UH, UH, JUST, UH, PAST WEEK, THERE'S ALWAYS JUST BEEN A, UH, MULTIPLE MEETINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED TO LAST MINUTE AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO POUR A TIES, UH, MY LIFE TO, TO COME OUT, TO TRY TO MAKE, UH, UH, A VOICE BE HEARD, UH, IS ALWAYS A, UH, A TOUGH CHOICE TO MAKE DURING THESE, DURING THESE TIMES.

UM, WITH THAT SAID, UH, I WROTE YOU ALL A LETTER.

I SENT THE LETTER, I SENT THE CITY A LETTER REGARDING SOME OF THE CONCERNS I HAD AS, AS, AS A CITIZEN.

UM, I'M NOT A, A BRIGHT NATIVE, I'M NOT AN OHIOAN.

UH, I WAS SENT HERE INITIALLY BY, BY THE MILITARY.

I, UH, WAS, UH, DECIDED TO STAY HERE FOR A PARTNER WHO WAS A POLICE OFFICER AS WELL, AND DECIDED TO CALL THIS MY HOME.

SO AGAIN, I, I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE PUT FORTH TO THIS POINT AND THE DECISIONS YOU'VE MADE AS, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS

[00:05:01]

AND AS THE MAYOR, UH, TO, TO, UH, CONTINUE TO HELP OUR CITY THRIVE, UH, WITH THAT SAID, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, I HAVEN'T LIVED HERE BEFORE.

UM, SO MOST OF THE DECISIONS I MAKE ARE MORE BASED OFF OF AN ANALYTICAL POSITION, UH, USING DOCUMENTS, UH, DATA, UH, TO HELP MAKE AN OBJECTIVE DECISION BASED OFF OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S PUT BEFORE ME.

BUT BEFORE ME, UM, THIS PAST WEEK HAS BEEN A TUMULTUOUS TIME FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, AND AS YOURSELVES AS WELL, UH, GOING THROUGH ELECTION YEARS AS, AS, UH, UH, I'VE TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT, UH, I'M GOING TO AVOID POINTING.

I'M GOING TO AVOID TO, UH, I'M GOING TO AVOID, UH, REFERENCING SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE ADDRESSED LAST NIGHT, JUST CONSIDERING THAT IT WAS A TOPIC THAT WAS ADDRESSED.

AND, UH, I'M AT LEAST SOME OF THE ISSUES WERE, WERE LAID OUT AND, UH, GOT TO A POINT WHERE, UH, IT WAS TO THE BEST BENEFIT TO, TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL MEMBERS TO LEAVE IT THERE.

UM, WITH THAT SAID, UM, I HAD SOME AREAS OF CONCERN, UH, BECAUSE OF THE IMMEDIATE, UM, UH, DECISIONS REGARDING THE RESIGNATION AND, UH, WRITING OF THE CONSULTATION AGREEMENT FOR THE SENIOR MANAGER.

UH, THOSE CONCERNS ARISE AT, UH, UH, RICE FROM LOOKING AT THE PAST 10 YEARS OF, OF RECORDS, INCLUDING THE AGENDAS AND MEETING MINUTES RELATED TO THE, UH, HIRING, UH, AND RE RE RESERVATIONS OF PREVIOUS, UH, CITY MANAGERS OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT ROTATING CITY MANAGERS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, PUT FORTH BETWEEN, PUT FORTH, PUT FORTH TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, TO LOOK INTO AN APPOINT BASED OFF OF, UH, THEIR HISTORY.

UM, SO I WAS ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH 2008, 2009 ALL THE WAY UP TO WOLF CURRENT YEAR, JUST TO UNDERSTAND HOW PROCESSES WORK FOR CITY HEIGHTS, UH, WHAT I WAS ABLE TO FIND AND, UH, WHAT BOTHERED ME AS WELL WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE RECORDS.

THERE WAS ONLY ONE TIME IN 2014 THAT A CONSULTATION AGREEMENT WAS WRITTEN FOR HER CITY MANAGER, WHICH WAS THE IN FOR MR. GARY ADAMS. UH, THE CONSULTATION AGREEMENT FOR THEN MR. GARY ADAMS WAS WRITTEN FOR UP TO $10,000, UH, AS WELL AS $50 PER HOUR TO HELP WITH THE TRANSITION PERIOD.

SO THAT WAS A RED FLAG FOR ME TO TRY TO COMPREHEND ON WHERE THE ADDITIONAL $150,000 WAS COMING FROM, UH, TO BE ASSIGNED TO, UH, NOW THE RESIGN CITY MANAGER, UH, AGAIN, AS THE PREVIOUS WOMAN HAS STATED, UM, BEING, BEING A BUSINESS PERSON, AS WELL AS AN ANALYTICAL PERSON, UH, UH, 10 TIMES INCREASE TO A CONSULTING CONTRACT, UM, DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AS A BUSINESS PERSON TO, UH, JUSTIFY A 10, 10 TIMES INCREASE FOR CONSULTING AGREEMENT, UH, TO A PERSON WHOM THE CITY DECIDED TO, UH, TO LET GO BECAUSE OF FORMER PERFORMANCE ISSUES.

UH, SO NOW YOU'RE PAYING THAT PERSON 10 TIMES AS MUCH, UH, AS A PREVIOUS, UH, UH, ONLY CONSULTING CONTRACT, UH, IN THE PAST.

UH, SO THE LINES THAT THE DECISION-MAKINGS IN, IN LINEUP, IN MY PERSPECTIVE, SO THAT WAS RED FLAG FOR ME.

NUMBER ONE, I'M TRYING TO JUSTIFY 10 TIMES INCREASE FOR THE THEN CONSULTING AGREEMENT.

UH, RED FLAG NUMBER TWO WAS, UH, THE DISPARITIES OF THE PROCESSES WHEN YOU COMPARE THE, UH, RE RESONATION AND CONSULTING PROCESS FOR GARY ADAMS TO, UH, MR. ROB SCHUMER, UM, PROCESS FOR MR. GARY ADAMS THEN WAS TO, UH, PROVIDE THE RESIGNATION RESIGNATION LATER TO CITY COUNCIL BACK IN 2014, UM, AND 2012, AND THEN, UH, PROVIDE THE CONSULTING AGREEMENT WITHIN THE SAME, UH, FORUM, WHICH WAS A GENERAL SESSION TO ALLOW, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF WHERE THE MONEY WAS GOING, AS WELL AS HAVE INPUT ON THE TYPE OF FUNDS THAT WERE BEING SUSPENDED ON THE BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY.

UM, SO AGAIN, UH, NO EXPERIENCE WITH HUBER HEIGHTS, I WASN'T BORN HERE, BUT USE THAT INFORMATION.

WHAT CONCERNED ME AGAIN WAS, UH, THIS WAS THE ONLY TIME, UH, IN THE PAST 10 YEARS, UM, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO RESIGN, AND THEN, UH, WRITE A CONSULTING AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, DURING A EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, THE PASSING PASS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE PAST 10 YEARS.

UM, IT, IT DOES, DID IT MAKE SENSE TO ME? UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME, UH, AND IT STILL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, WHICH IS FINE.

WE ARE, ARE THE AGREEMENTS SET INTO PLACE? YOU CAN'T GO FORWARD AND CORRECT THE ACTIONS.

UH, AND THAT'S WHERE I BELIEVE WE ARE HERE TODAY IS, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR ACTIONS HAVE DONE.

NOW, WHAT PRECEDENTS HAVE WE SET FOR THE INCOMING

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SYDNEY MANAGERS? WHAT PERFORMANCE ARE THEY GOING TO BE? UH, WHAT FORMATS ARE THEY GOING TO BE SET TO, UM, TO ENSURE THAT DURING THE TRANSITION, UH, THEY TOO, DON'T COME OFF WITH AN ADDITIONAL PACKAGE THAT INCLUDES BENEFITS.

UH, IT'S JUST A CONCERNING TIME FOR MYSELF TO, TO LOOK AT HOW THE PROCESSES HAVE COME INTO PLAY AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE IN FACT, WHAT IMPACTING FUTURE DECISIONS.

UM, THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT CAN BE SAID AROUND THAT.

UH, AND I BELIEVE A LOT OF, ALL OF IT WAS ADDRESSED LAST NIGHT.

UH, AND SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU TOOK LAST NIGHT TO, TO SIT DOWN AND HEAR THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND, AND, UH, TAKE IN WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

UM, WITHOUT FURTHERMORE TO SAY, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

UH, AND I APPRECIATE THE SERVICE YOU'RE DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU'VE TAKEN TO LISTEN TO ME.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THAT.

I WILL JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO KIND OF HELP MAYBE EXPLAIN, UH, MAYBE MAKE A PART OF THE REASON IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY THAT'S FINE IN CASE YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP.

I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

SO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT EXECUTIVE SESSION LAST NIGHT, SO WE'LL JUST, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE ON THAT, ON THAT LEVEL, UH, THERE BASICALLY.

SO THERE WAS THREE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THIS COUNCIL AND, UH, MR. MCDONALD MADE ALL THREE OF THOSE VERY CLEAR TO US.

AND SO ONE WAS TERMINATION WITHOUT CAUSE ONE WAS TERMINATION WITH CAUSE, AND THEN THERE'S OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEPARATE THROUGH A RESIGNATION AGREEMENT.

UH, IT WAS LEGAL COUNSEL'S ADVICE THAT A WITH CAUSE TERMINATION WAS NOT THE WAY TO GO AND WOULD NOT END UP IN BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY.

IF THAT WAS THE ROUTE THAT WE HAD CHOSEN A TERMINATION WITHOUT.

CAUSE THIS WAS MENTIONED LAST NIGHT THAT MS. RADHA THOUGHT WE WERE DOING A WITHOUT CAUSE TERMINATION WOULD HAVE ENDED UP PAYING MR. SCHOMER ABOUT $152,000 AND ANY WITHOUT CAUSE TERMINATION, WE WOULD JUST BE SAYING, GO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU ANYMORE.

AND WE'D STILL BE PAYING $152,000.

SO OTHER THAN THE MISCALCULATION ON THE HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS, AND AGAIN, AS WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT $150,000, WE REMINDED EVERYONE LAST NIGHT ABOUT $41,000 OF THAT WAS ACCRUED VACATION PAY AT MR. SCHOMER.

SO 41,000 OF THE ONE 50 IS HIS OWN MONEY ANYWAY, THAT HE WOULD HAVE, HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN.

SO THE REASON I BELIEVE THAT THROUGH THE DISCUSSION THAT THE CONSULTANT GREAT MADE SENSE WAS BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

MR. SCHIRMER DOES, AS I HAD STATED, JUST BECAUSE IT WAS TIME TO MOVE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION DIDN'T MEAN THAT HE DIDN'T BRING VALUE TO THE CITY.

AND HE COULDN'T ADD VALUE TO MR. CASE.

HE HAD TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT, ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT HE WOULD, UH, USE MR. SCHOMER.

SO IN MY MIND, WHEN I LOOK AT, OKAY, HOW DO WE DO THIS? AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION.

THAT'S WHY THE DECISION WAS MADE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 150, $2,000 TO NEVER SPEAK TO ROB AGAIN, OR SPEND $150,000 TO HAVE ROB AVAILABLE, TO CONSULT WITH THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

THAT CERTAINLY SEEMED LIKE THE WISEST DECISION, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON THAT ROB DOES HAVE VERY INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE ON ALL THOSE THINGS, COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM WHATEVER EMPLOYMENT ISSUES THAT WE HAD.

I BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL VOTED BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THERE WAS SOME VALUE.

HE WAS STILL GOING TO BRING THROUGHOUT THIS TRANSITION PROCESS.

SO IT KIND OF COME DOWN TO $152,000 AND HE GOES AWAY AND WE NEVER SEE HIM OR $150,000.

AND WE STILL HAVE HIS EXPERTISE FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.

THAT REALLY WAS WHAT IT IS THEN BASED ON THE LEGAL ADVICE FROM MR. MCDONALD THAT A WITH CAUSE TERMINATION WOULD PROBABLY END UP PRETTY BAD FOR US.

SO, SO I THINK IN THE END, THE DECISION WAS MADE.

I BELIEVE, I'LL SAY AGAIN, I BELIEVE EVERYONE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE VOTING FOR AND THAT WAS, AND I, EVERY ONE OF THEM, WHETHER THEY DISAGREE WITH ME OR NOT WAS IN THE, WAS MADE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY.

I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE A SIMILAR STORY TO THAT.

UH, WORKING IN THE MILITARY, WE HAD A FLINT, UH, FLIGHT, UH, BRANCH CHIEF WHO, UH, WAS NOT PERFORMING WELL.

UM, HE OR SHE, UH, WAS A GS 14 GS FOURTEENS INSIDE OF THE GOVERNMENT AND GET PAID ANYWHERE BETWEEN 111 K TO 250 K UH, HIS PERFORMANCE ISSUES LED TO HIM BEING FORCED INTO AN EARLY RETIREMENT VERSUS TERMINATION SLASH DETERMINATE, UH, TERMINATION, UM, WHAT OUR DEPUTY AND OUR COMMANDER AND OUR GENERAL COULD HAVE DONE IN THAT SPECIFIC SITUATION COULD HAVE BEEN TO LET HIM CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR FLIGHT AND HAVE

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A CONTINUED PERFORMANCE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE CONTINUITY, UH, BECAUSE OF HIS EXPERIENCE OR LET HIM GO AND, YOU KNOW, HIRE AN ADDITIONAL PERSON TO REPLACE HIM.

UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK HE DID PROBABLY CONTINUE THE CONTINUITY.

HE DID NOT, UH, EVERYONE IN THE MILITARY, EVERYONE WHO WORKS FOR THE GOVERNMENT, EVERYONE WHO, UH, KNOWS THEIR JOB AND THE POSITION HAS THE ABILITY, UH, TO TAKEOVER WHEN CALLED UPON, UH, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

UM, A HUGE DIFFERENCE, UM, IN THE WAY THINGS ARE MANAGED, UH, HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.

UH, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST THE DOD, OR MAYBE IT'S JUST THE MILITARY.

UH, AGAIN, HE WAS A JEW THAT JESS FOR HE, OR SHE WAS A GS 14.

SO THERE WERE A CIVILIAN, UM, ON, AT RIGHT PAT, WHICH IS, UH, PRIMARILY SIBLING BASED ORGANIZATION.

UM, SO YOU WOULD THINK, UM, I WOULD THINK THAT HAVING A PERSON WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO TAKE OVER WHEN, WHEN CALLED UPON WOULD BE NECESSARY, UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WAS DONE.

SO TWO DIFFERENT, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORIES, UH, REGARDING, UH, THE OUTCOME AND TO THIS DAY, UH, THAT SPECIFIC FLIGHT, UH, MANAGES THE PORTFOLIO, UH, BEFORE, UH, UP TO TWO, $2 BILLION PER YEAR.

UH, AND THE CONNOR KNEW WHEN YOU STILL TAKES PLACE.

UM, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT, UH, WHAT PORTFOLIO, WHAT THE PORTFOLIO, UH, HE WAS MANAGING HERE IF IT WAS UP TO 2 BILLION.

UM, BUT KNOWING WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST FOR THE SPECIFIC FLIGHT CHIEF, UM, AND HIM OR SHE BEING, UH, RESIGNED OR FORCED TO RESIGN, RESIGN DIDN'T HAVE ANY IMPACT, UH, TO THE OVERALL PERFORMANCE AND WELFARE OF THE PORTFOLIO THAT THE FLIGHT WAS MANAGING OVER AND THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE REPORTING TO HIM AS WELL.

SO TWO DIFFERENT NARRATIVES.

AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT, THAT PARTICULAR OUTLOOK, I, AND I, I WAS IN THE ARMY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT SPECIFIC JOB THAT ENTAILED.

UM, I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE SPECIFICS ON WHAT THE, WHAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES.

UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE DON'T HAVE A $2 BILLION BUDGET.

WE HAVE A $90 MILLION ANNUAL BUDGET HERE, SO IT'S SMALLER.

AND THERE ARE, UM, THE, THE JOB THAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES HERE THEN BECOMES DIRECTLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS COUNCIL THROUGH 40,000 RESIDENTS.

SO HE MAY HAVE BEEN OVERSEEING A $2 BILLION BUDGET, BUT I'M NOT SURE HE WAS ACCOUNTABLE TO 40,000 PEOPLE.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS HERE OF WHAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES, IT IS VERY SPECIFIC, BUT IT'S VERY BROAD.

HE'S MANAGING EVERYTHING ABOUT THE CITY.

AND THERE ARE, UH, AGAIN, WE BROUGHT UP LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL'S APPROVED ABOUT $12 MILLION OF REAL ESTATE PURCHASES THAT MR. SCHIRMER WAS INVOLVED IN.

UM, THE SCOTT AGAIN, WENT OVER AND EVERYONE I'D LIKE TO SAY, I MEAN, EVERYONE HAS EXPRESSED THEIR, THEIR FAITH AND CONFIDENCE IN MR. FALKOWSKI, BUT THERE, BUT MR. FALKOWSKI SAID THERE, ADMITTEDLY, SO THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW BECAUSE SCOTT WAS AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IN A DIFFERENT ROLE SPECIFIC TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, HE, SCOTT IS A CIVIL ENGINEER BY TRADE.

ALL OF THOSE REASONS MADE ME BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

NOW, IF IT WOULD HAVE THE DIFFERENCE BEING, IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A $20,000 DIFFERENCE TO SAY ROB GO, OR, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, VERSUS THE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND ONE 52 TO GO, OR WHAT WE BELIEVE BEFORE THE HEALTH INSURANCE ISSUE, ONE 50 TO STILL BE AVAILABLE, THAT SEEMED LIKE THE RIGHT DECISION.

IF THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A HUGE DISCREPANCY OF $200,000 AND WHAT IT WOULD HAVE COST ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I WOULD HAVE CERTAINLY UNDERSTOOD THIS COUNCIL SAID, NO, I THINK WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE THAT $200,000 RISK OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS RISK.

AND THE DIFFERENCE SCOTT, YOU NEED TO BUCKLE UP AND WE'LL PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE AND WE'LL HELP YOU.

AND WE'LL BE A LITTLE LENIENT IN WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENCE OF THE PACKAGE OF ONE 52 TO NEVER TALK TO ROB AGAIN, OR ONE 50 TO HAVE HIM AVAILABLE, THAT JUST MADE SENSE.

THERE'S A SET OF PRECEDENTS FOR INCOMING AND OUTGOING SENIOR MANAGERS, ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO NOT, NOT PERFORM AND THEN STILL LEAVE WITH A LUMP SUM PACKAGE.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL COULD ADDRESS IN WHATEVER INCOMING CONTRACT.

YEAH, THAT'LL DO IT.

DO THAT.

I MEAN, IN MS. MARIMBA SUCCESSION PLANNING, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO BE MORE EFFICIENT AND TO BE BETTER.

AND I, AND I DO, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT TOO BIG TO ADMIT THAT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, THERE'S NOT THINGS THAT WE COULD BE BETTER ON, BUT I STILL STAND VERY FIRM IN THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT MOVING IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO GO.

WE'VE GOT A COMPETENT INTERIM CITY MANAGER, SERGIO, AND WE HAVE AN OUTGOING CITY MANAGER THAT STILL HAS SOME THINGS

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TO OFFER, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU COMPARE THE NUMBERS OF WHAT IT WOULD'VE COST FOR WITHOUT CAUSE OR THE CONSULTING AGREEMENT IT'S UNDERSTOOD.

AND, AND I, AND STILL THROUGHOUT THIS, I BELIEVE THAT MR. SCHIRMER HAS INTEGRITY.

HE WILL FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT.

UM, I TALKED TO MR. WAKOWSKI TODAY, THERE'S ALREADY SEVERAL HOURS, UM, AND PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS ALREADY, AND, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN HIM AND MR. SCHOMER.

SO I JUST LOOK AT IT, I THINK WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS.

RIGHT.

SO I THINK THAT'S, AND I THINK WHAT'S EXACTLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COST BENEFIT.

WAS THAT DONE OR WAS THAT JUST, YES.

SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY COMMON SENSE THAT IF WE COULD HAVE SAVED MONEY AND STILL HAD HIS EXPERTISE TO HELP MR. IN THE PROCESS, THAT SEEMED, I MEAN, JUST, THAT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

YES, SIR.

AND THEN ONE FINAL QUESTION.

UH, UH, I, MY PRIMARY DUTY, UH, BEFORE AND I NOW WORKED FOR, FOR SPEEDWAY, UH, WAS, UH, WAS, UH, A CONTRACTING OFFICER CONTRACTING OFFICERS OF PERSONNEL WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S OBLIGATED TO SPEND MONEY ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT.

UM, THE LARGEST CONTRACT I WAS ABLE TO WORK ON AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON WAS A 1.2 BILLION.

UH, IT WAS AN ENLIGHTENING EXPERIENCE, UH, BUT I WAS TRUSTED WITH THAT PROCESS AND TO GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS WELL.

UM, ONE OF THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAD WAS TO OBLIGATE THE GOVERNMENT AND WE SOLELY HAD THAT, UH, THAT AUTHORITY TO OBLIGATE THE GOVERNMENT ON THAT BEHALF UNTIL DELEGATED TO AN ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL.

UM, HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK OUT OF FOUR, FOUR HUBER HEIGHTS? UM, IS IT LIKE JUST WHAT OCCURRED ON MONDAY, COMING OUT AND ACCEPTED A SESSION AND REQUESTING THE, UH, LAW DIRECTOR TO EXECUTE, UH, SO SAID, UH, RESUME RESONATION CONSULTATION AGREEMENT, UM, DOES THAT, UH, DOES THAT GIVE IMPLICIT AUTHORITY FOR THE LAW DIRECTOR TO OBLIGATE MONEY ON BEHALF OF HUBER HEIGHTS? OR WHERE DOES THE OBLIGATION TO HAVE AUTHORITY TO, TO EXPEND APPROPRIATIONS ON PATH OF HUBER HEIGHTS LIE? SO I THINK W YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNEW THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SUPPLEMENTAL TO COME BACK, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE PAST THE EXECUTION OF THE AGREEMENTS WERE TH TH THE COUNCIL BY THAT MOTION DIRECT TO THE LAW DIRECTOR TO, TO, TO GO OUT AND GET THOSE AGREEMENTS, GET THEM SIGNED.

I MEAN, THAT WAS THE, UH, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS AT THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL AND THEN THE, TO APPROPRIATE THE MONEY.

YES.

THERE'S LEGISLATION.

THAT'S WHAT WAS PASSED.

WELL, WE HAVE A TERM FOR THAT, UH, IN CONTRACTING IT'S CALLED, UH, ANTI DEFICIENT ANTI-DEFICIENCY USE WHEN YOU'RE OBLIGATING THE FUNDS BEFORE YOU HAVE THEM, UM, WHEN WE ARE ANTI DEFICIENT IN THE GOVERNMENT, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, NO-NO, UH, THERE SPECIFIC ACTIONS THAT ARE TAKEN TO CORRECT THOSE MEASURES.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THE ANTI-DEFICIENCY, UM, PROCESS APPLIES IN THIS SITUATION, OR IF THAT'S SPECIFIC TO, UH, THE SPECIFIC SITUATION, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IT'S CALLED IS WHEN YOU, YOU OBLIGATE FUNDS BEFORE YOU HAVE THEM, IT'S AN ANTI DEFICIENT PROCESS.

UM, THAT'S ALL I HAD.

OKAY.

SO THE, THE F THE FUNDS, THOUGH, THE, IN FACT, IN THE, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT, THE PART OF THE, UH, ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WOULD BE DUE THE CITY MANAGER IN ANY ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS, UH, THE ACTUAL CONTRACT SPECIFIES THAT MONEY IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE AND IT'S THERE IN THE GENERAL FUND AS PART OF BEING AVAILABLE FOR THAT.

SO, UM, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD THAT TERM USED.

OKAY.

UM, I WILL TELL YOU, LOOK, YOU'RE JUST ON A POSITIVE NOTE SAYING HERE AND TALKING TO THEM VERY, VERY, VERY IMPRESSED BY YOU.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK TONIGHT ABOUT A, UH, RFP FOR A NEW CITY MANAGER.

YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THAT I ENJOY WORKING.

I ENJOY WORKING WITH THE DIVERSITY OF COMPANIES, DIVERSITY, DISPOSABLE PERMISSION, AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF, UH, I APPRECIATE IT, BUT, BUT I, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE TAKEN ASIDE, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU FOR, FOR COMING AND SHARING THAT INFORMATION.

I THINK IT'S, UH, COULD BE ENLIGHTENING FOR ALL OF US.

SO THANK YOU, MR. AUDIT.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM, UH, LAST NIGHT'S DISCUSSION HAD BROUGHT, UH, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS IN MY OPINION, AND, UH, MOSTLY BROUGHT BY, UH, MY, ALL OF THEM BROUGHT BY RESIDENTS, AND I'M JUST, I WANTED TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS TO CLEAR UP.

UM, OUR FORMER MAYOR TOMICH MASTERS HAD SENT US SOME EMAILS, SO I, I KIND OF LOOKED AT THOSE BRIEFLY.

AND THEN I WENT, I, AND ACTUALLY JUMPED INTO, UM, OUR, UM, OUR RULES OF COUNCIL OR CHARTER THE ORC AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

UH, JERRY AND I KIND OF, IT KIND OF FELT THIS WAY TO ME AS WELL, THE ACTION THAT WE TOOK LAST MONDAY BY A MOTION TO DO THAT, IT'S, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE

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TO MAKE IT PROPER.

IS THAT WHY WE REDID IT LAST NIGHT AS A RESULT? THAT'S NOT WHY WE DID IT LAST NIGHT AS A RESOLUTION, BUT DOING IT LAST NIGHT AS A RESOLUTION MADE ME SLEEP BETTER AT NIGHT, I PASSED IT.

IT WAS LEGAL, BUT IT WAS NOT TYPICAL.

IT WAS NOT THE WAY WE NORMALLY WOULD DO THINGS, AND THAT WAS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

AND SO I WAS VERY GLAD WHEN THE MAYOR DECIDED HE WANTED TO OPEN IT UP TO PUT IT THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS.

I MEAN, I, YEAH, CAUSE I WASN'T EITHER.

I, I, I HONESTLY ASSUMED THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BRING THINGS BACK TO US AS, UH, AN ORDINANCE RESOLUTION FOR OUR APPROVAL.

THAT WAS MY ASSUMPTION.

I APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING THAT ASSUMPTION APPARENTLY.

UM, THE SECOND, UH, SECOND ONE I HAD WAS MR. HENDRICKS HAD BROUGHT A DOCUMENT, UH, CONCERNING THE, UM, THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD WITH MS. HAVE WITH MR. SCHOMER AND MENTIONED METADATA ON THAT ONE.

AND YOU HAD STATED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, THE REASON THAT WAS, UH, HAD THE FEBRUARY 6TH DATE ON IT WAS BECAUSE, WELL, THERE WERE SOME CHANGES, IT WAS VANDALIA, HIS OLD ONE.

UM, IT HAD BEEN UPDATED OR CHANGED OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

UM, MY QUESTION IS VANDALIA.

HIS PROCESS WAS JUNE OF LAST YEAR, 2020.

UM, WHY WOULD YOU BE UPDATING THAT IN FEBRUARY IF THIS SITUATION WAS UNKNOWN TO US AT THE TIME? UH, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS A MONTH AFTER THAT MARCH AROUND THE WEEKEND OF MARCH 6TH WAS THE FIRST KNOWLEDGE OF IT TO, TO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

I DON'T RECALL WHEN THE VANDALIA AGREEMENT WAS, I JUST KNOW THAT 22ND OF LAST YEAR.

AND IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE VANDALIA AGREEMENT, YOU WOULD SEE THAT THEY'RE BASICALLY HAVE THE SAME ISSUES AND THAT'S FINE.

THE DETAILS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S WHY I'M ASSUMING.

CAUSE THAT'S FINE.

BUT IF THE DOCUMENT WAS CHANGED ON FEBRUARY 6TH, MY QUESTION IS WHY FEBRUARY 6TH? WHY, WHY WERE YOU? I WAS PROBABLY GOING IN, IN THAT DOC I'M AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW METADATA WORKS, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT AND YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE NINE DISPARAGING CLAUSE AND YOUR USERS NEED A NON-DISPARAGEMENT CLAUSE FOR ANOTHER DOCUMENT, I GO BACK TO ONE THAT I'VE DONE AND I GO IN THERE AND PULL IT OUT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PUT A SIGNATURE IN FEBRUARY OR NOT, BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT I WAS NOT WORKING ON ANY TYPE OF AGREEMENT FOR ROB SHOMER UNTIL MONDAY, LAST MONTH.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE LAST THING I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ONCE AGAIN, POINT OUT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I'VE HAD A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE SAYING THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND SO ON AND SO FORTH, BUT HERE WE ARE SITTING TODAY WITH, YOU KNOW, AN ADDITIONAL $20,000 COST, GENERALLY SPEAKING FOR ALL THE, FOR THE MEDICAL DENTAL, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND, UH, AND THAT WAS UNKNOWN AT THE TIME.

SO NOW WE'RE SITTING AT NOT ONE 50, BUT 170,000.

SO MY POINT IS I THINK THIS APPEARS TO ME THAT THERE'S CON THERE WAS CONFUSION EVERYWHERE.

THIS PRODUCT, THIS PROCESS WAS RUSHED.

THIS PROCESS WAS SLOPPY.

IT WASN'T DONE PROPERLY.

AND I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION AROUND HERE AND, UM, UH, IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU, MRS. BERGE.

I HAVE NOTHING ON THIS SUBJECT.

I JUST WANT TO ASK BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT THAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A STATEMENT.

YES.

ARE I DO HAVE ONE OTHER PERSON ASKED US TO SPEAK MR. FRICK WILEY.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

UM, I, WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I DID HAVE SOME FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS BASED ON, UH, WHAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BACK WHEN YOU LOOK AT 2012 AND 2013, WHEN GARY ADAMS RESIGNED IN HIS FIRST YEAR, AND THEN DAVE STUDEBAKER RESIGNED THE FOLLOWING YEAR WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR, THE CONSULTING AGREEMENTS THAT WERE SET UP AT THAT TIME TO HELP THE TRANSITION.

WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THOSE TWO PROCESSES WHEN THEY STILL HAD A LARGE AMOUNT OF THEIR CONTRACT LEFT TO GO VERSUS HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT WITH MR. SCHOMER, WHO ONLY HAD A YEAR LEFT TO GO, JUST SO THAT IT CAN BE KIND OF CLEARED UP BECAUSE THAT KIND OF RANG IN MY MIND.

I WAS LIKE, THERE WAS KIND OF A DIFFERENT SARAH WHERE, LIKE YOU SAY, GARY WAS PAID LIKE A $50 AN HOUR CONSULTATION FEE FOR LIKE, IF SCOTT WERE TO NEED THEM, HE CALLED THEM UP.

THEY'D BILL IT OUT, ALMOST LIKE AN ATTORNEY KIND OF RATE.

BUT WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO RESIGNATIONS THAT WERE ACCEPTED AND BROUGHT FORTH IN CONSULTATION AGREEMENTS WERE IN PLACE VERSUS THIS TIME? IF ANYBODY KNOWS? WELL, I CERTAINLY WASN'T ON THIS COUNCIL IN TWO 12 WAS JUST AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

SO THERE WAS NO CONSULTANT.

THE ONLY OTHER CONSULTING AGREEMENT WAS WITH ADAM.

OKAY.

SO I'LL JUST GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE THERE IN THE LAW DIRECTOR IS DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS BACK THEN.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S PEOPLE CAN SPEAK ON THAT SITUATION, BUT I WOULD JUST GO BACK AND

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REPEAT THAT WE WERE FACED WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR MR. SCHIRMER TO LEAVE OR A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR MR. SCHOMER TO LEAVE, BUT STILL BE REQUIRED TO CONSULT WITH THROUGH THE TRANSITION PROCESS.

AND YES, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE HEALTH INSURANCE MONEY, NOT BEING A PART OF THAT.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE KNEW UNTIL TODAY, MR. MCDONALD INFORMED US, BUT GOING OFF THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAD, THEN IT WAS 152 TO GO AND LEAVE US ALONE, OR ONE 50 TO STAY AND CONSULT WITH SCOTT FOR SIX MONTHS.

I GUESS THAT WAS THE, THE QUESTION.

MAYBE IT WAS ABOUT HOW THE RESIGNATION WAS TEARING.

CAUSE I KNOW THAT GARY ADAMS WAS VOLUNTARILY RESIGNED TO GO TO BACK TO ILLINOIS.

I BELIEVE HE HAD FAMILY ISSUES THAT HE WAS SAYING HER PERSONAL ISSUES, IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS THE WAY THE RESIGNATION WAS, WAS WHERE WE GOT TO THIS POINT OF, DO WE DO A FORCED RESIGNATION WITH THE 152,000? OR DO WE DO THE PACKERS THAT WAS KIND OF PUT TOGETHER VERSUS HOW MR. ADAMS LEFT? IF THAT WAS THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, I WAS JUST, WHEN THAT PART WAS BROUGHT UP, IT WAS KIND OF CONFUSING TO ME A LITTLE BIT ON THAT PART, IF IT WAS JUST THE MANNER OF WHICH CAUSE MR. ADAMS WAS NOT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, HE WASN'T IN THE SAME PREDICAMENT, I GUESS IS WHERE WE FOUND OURSELVES THIS TIME.

YEAH.

I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH MR. ADAMS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN, WHEN THIS DISCUSSION HAPPENED, THERE WAS NO CITY MANAGER ON MY MIND, EXCEPT FOR THE CURRENT ONE AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO SEPARATE IN THE BEST POSSIBLE MANNER WHERE THE CITY WOULD GET SOMETHING FOR THE MONEY THAT THEY WERE SPENDING.

BECAUSE IF WE CHOSE THE OTHER ROUTE, WE WERE STILL SPENDING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT WE MAY NEVER, WE WOULD NEVER SEE MR SCHOMER AGAIN.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO, SO THAT, THAT IS THE, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING THROUGH MY MIND ABOUT WHAT THAT DECISION WAS, MR. CAMPBELL WAS HERE AT THAT TIME.

SO MAYBE IF YOU ASKED TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW LONG GARY WAS HERE.

I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW LONG GARY WAS HERE, BUT IT WAS A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

AND GARY WAS PLANNING ON MOVING HIM AND HIS FAMILY TO THE BEST OF MY MEMORY.

HE HAD A PERSONAL ISSUE WITH A FAMILY MEMBER THAT HE WAS GOING BACK INTO THE MINISTRY AND HE TOO HAD KNOWLEDGE THAT WE WANTED TO CONTINUE.

SO HE HAD KNOWLEDGE AND WAS INVOLVED IN SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO CONSULT WITH, BUT FAR LESS THAN I THINK MR. SEAN MORAN.

OKAY.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT AND FIGURED THAT IF I WANTED SOMETHING REALLY, WASN'T AN APPLES AND ORANGES.

GOTCHA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MRS. BERGY.

UH, DO YOU HAVE A STATEMENT? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

YES.

UM, I WAS PERSONALLY OFFENDED AS OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD BE BY A COMMENT MADE BY MR. LYONS AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING.

AND I CALLED FOR A SENSOR OF MR. LIONS FOR THE INFLAMMATORY STATEMENT HE MADE TOWARD COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO VOTED FOR THIS LEGISLATION BY SUGGESTING THAT WE ARE CORRECT OR COULD BE GETTING A BAG OF MONEY ON OUR PORCH AS A RESULT OF OUR VOTES IS, UH, UNBELIEVABLE.

AND I FIND IT UNFATHOMABLE THAT SOMEONE RUNNING FOR MAYOR MAYOR WOULD MAKE SUCH A DESPICABLE STATEMENT.

IS THAT COMING IN THE FORM OF EMOTION TO CENTRAL MR. LYONS, MRS. MERGE? I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT MR. LYONS BE CENSORED FOR THAT REMARK.

IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? MOTION FAILS IS LACK OF A SECOND.

APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.

SO MR. BIRCH, THANK YOU.

NEXT UP.

WE HAVE

[ City Manager Report]

ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE SAME AS YOUR REPORT, MR. AMERSHAM ANDREW MCCALSKY.

THANK YOU.

THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

THANK YOU.

AND GOOD.

UM, I HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS I WOULD LIKE TO PASS ON TO COUNSEL.

UH, THE FIRST IS, UH, UH, AN UPDATE ON THE CHARGING STATIONS THAT WE SUBMITTED GRANTS FOR LAST YEAR.

WE HAVE RECEIVED NOTICE THAT, UH, WE HAVE BEEN AWARDED, UM, GRANTS FOR BOTH A TWO PORT

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SENSE, THOMAS CLOUD PARK, AND FOUR PORTS AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER.

AND OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE MVR BC, UM, ON THE NEXT STEPS OF THAT OR THAT SUBMITTAL.

UM, AND THE DESIGNED PORTION IS COMING NEXT TO BE ABLE TO GET MOVING ON THOSE.

SO, AND ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, MMI ON THE LOCATION OF THOSE, UH, THE PROPER LOCATION OUT AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, UM, FOR THE BEST USE OUT AT THAT SITE.

UM, UH, A VERY IMPORTANT, UH, UH, INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE LML THAT, UH, FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN TO ALLOCATE, UH, APPROXIMATELY $7.48 MILLION FOR COVID-19 PANDEMIC RELIEF TO THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, 50% WOULD BE ALLOCATED IN 2021, 50% IN 2022, SOME OF THE DETAILS ARE STILL BEING WORKED OUT.

SO, UM, OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT IS ON TOP OF THIS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE ARE LOOKING FOR WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS BABY, WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR, WHAT IT CAN'T BE USED FOR TIMEFRAMES, UH, THAT KIND OF THING.

IT WOULD BE A, UH, A ONE-TIME INFUSION, UM, INTO OUR CITY BUDGETS.

AND AS I SAID SO FAR, WE'VE SEEN POTENTIAL OF LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT WAS GREAT.

WE WILL BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION TO YOU AND DISCUSS, UH, THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FROM THAT.

UM, AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE TIMING OF THAT.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. KOSKI.

UH, IS THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. KELSEY, MR. OTTO QUICKLY? YEAH.

SCOTT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT UPDATE.

BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE AWESOME.

AND, UH, AND WORKING WITH DR.

ELECTRIC DAYTON AND, UH, THE, IN THE STATE, UM, ARM OF THAT AS WELL.

UH, W I THINK WE'RE STILL DOING GREAT.

I THINK WE'RE ON TOP IN THE REGION, AS FAR AS, UH, ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS AND WHATNOT, AND WE'RE STILL GROWING AND PUSHING THAT, AND IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE LEADING THE PACK AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES.

MS. BAKER.

WELCOME SCOTT.

THANK YOU.

UM, COULD YOU, NEXT TIME WE MEET, UPDATE ME ON THE BMX PARK, IF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT TONIGHT? YES, I WILL, UH, GET A FULL UPDATE ON THAT.

I DID DISCUSS THAT WITH OUR PARKS MANAGER, UM, JUST LAST WEEK AND, UH, I WILL GET MORE INFORMATION TO PROVIDE A PROPER UPDATE AND OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. MR. SHAW, MARY I'M SITTING A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY TODAY.

I THINK I'M TO NEED A LIGHT POLE AT THIS POINT.

YEP.

UM, I DID WANT TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE THAT, UH, UM, UH, TOMORROW I WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN THE CALL WITH NLC, UM, REGARDING THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT IMPLEMENT IM IMPLEMENTATION.

UM, THIS IS IN CORRELATION WITH THE OHIO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE ON SOME ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE THROUGH, UM, UH, TREASURY ON HOW THAT WILL BE GOING OUT.

I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEND, UM, ALL OF COUNCIL, A, UH, A WAY TO REGISTER FOR THAT CALL THROUGH OUR MEMBERSHIP.

UH, IF YOU'D LIKE, UM, AND I CAN SEND IT OUT TO, UH, TO, TO JIM AND TO SCOTT AS WELL, UM, UH, TO, UH, PUSH THAT THROUGH, UM, IF YOU WOULD, YEAH.

IF YOU WOULD JUST SEND THEM USEFULNESS.

THANK YOU.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, UM, I WAS, UH, WITH MY, UM, UH, MY INVOLVEMENT WITH DRIVE ELECTRIC, OHIO DRIVER, LIKE YOUR DAYTON AND CLEAN FIELDS, OHIO AS MR. STATED, UH, WITH OUR, UM, ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS.

UM, I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO, UH, BRING COMMENTS IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL HERE TODAY, UM, TO, UM, ASK FOR ASSISTANCE, UM, AND SUPPORTING A RESOLUTION TO OUR, UH, STATE REPRESENTATIVES, UH, OUR STATE SENATORS AND, UH, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UM, TO, UH, ROLL BACK, UM, THE, UM, REGISTRATION FEES REGARDING HYBRIDS AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

UM, IT IS IN THE OPINIONS OF A DRIVE ELECTRIC, UM, OHIO CLEAN FUELS, OHIO, AND, AND A DRIVER LIKE YOUR DAYTON, UM, THAT, UH, THOSE WITH, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND HYBRID VEHICLES ARE UNFAIRLY UNJUSTIFIED, UH, WITH THE GAS TAX INCREASE, UM, THAT, UH, WAS SEVERELY, UM, RAISED, UH, THEY ARE REQUESTING THE FEE LEVELS TO BE A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER YEAR, UH, FOR BVS $50 PER YEAR FOR P H EVS AND $0 PER YEAR FOR INTERNAL COMBUSTION HYBRIDS.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, BRING THIS UP FAD TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UM, AND FORMULATE A RESOLUTION, UM, UH, THROUGH A DISCUSSION THROUGH THIS COUNCIL, UM, TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I KNOW SHE WAS THAT WHERE IF YOU JUST KEEP NOTE OF THAT FOR, UH, FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION, PLEASE, MR. LYONS, THANK YOU, UH, SCOTT WITH RECEIVING 50% OF

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THE FEDERAL MONEY THIS YEAR AND 50% OF THE MONEY NEXT YEAR.

IS THERE, UH, ARE YOU AWARE, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO THAT THIS EXPENDITURE OF THAT MONEY AND CERTAINLY IN THE PROCESS? SO I WOULDN'T EXPECT NECESSARILY YOU TO KNOW ALREADY, BUT I'M JUST ASKING, UM, W WE ARE HEARING THAT THERE WILL BE RESTRICTIONS, UM, THAT IT JUST CAN'T BE USED FOR ANYTHING.

UH, WE ARE STILL GETTING THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW, AS I MENTIONED, LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THERE'S GOING TO BE CATEGORIES THAT IT CAN BE USED FOR, UH, POTENTIALLY TO TRY TO HELP SMALL BUSINESSES AFFECTED BY COVID THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO WE ARE GATHERING ALL THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

IT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT OF FRAMEWORKS.

YOU CAN START THINKING ABOUT IT AHEAD OF TIME WHEN YOU GET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, SCOTT.

THAT IS INCREDIBLE NEWS.

THANK YOU, JOHN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. FALKOWSKI LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE TAKING IT EASY ON YOU THIS FIRST TIME.

THANK YOU.

NEXT UP IS

[ Supplemental Appropriations]

ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS, MR. BELL, GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SEE A GYM.

I WILL BE ATTENDING WELL OVER THE PHONE, UH, WEBINAR, UH, OML IS PUTTING ON TO DISCUSS THE, UH, AMERICAN PLAN EVEN FURTHER ON THURSDAY, SO, OKAY, GREAT.

UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME MORE DETAILS.

SO I'VE JUST GOT SOME, UM, INITIAL NUMBERS ON THAT, BUT, UM, UH, HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR WHERE WE RECEIVED A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION AND, UH, THAT, UH, IT WAS CHALLENGING TO KEEP BRINGING LEGISLATION TO THE COUNCIL, BUT I THINK ANYTIME WE'RE GOING TO GET SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, IT'S WORTH BRINGING ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION AND, UH, ALL THE WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, UH, TONIGHT I HAVE JUST ONE ITEM FOR YOU FOR THE SUPPLEMENTAL, WHICH WAS IN YOUR PACKET.

UH, SO YOU'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER IT.

AND IT'S RELATED TO THE OHIO EPA MANDATED WELL FIELD STUDY, WHICH IS ALSO ON THE AGENDA FOR LATER TONIGHT AND HAS ALSO BEEN DISCUSSED BY MR. BERGMAN, I BELIEVE IN THE LAST WORK SESSION.

SO, UH, I ASKED HIM, UH, FOR AN ESTIMATE OF, UH, ALL COSTS INVOLVED WITH THAT STUDY AND HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS $100,000, UH, TO HANDLE ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND SO I AM BRINGING THAT TO YOU TONIGHT, UH, TO, UH, APPROVE AND, UH, BASED ON HIS TIMELINE, I BELIEVE HE DOES.

HE WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE APPROVED MONDAY NIGHT, UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE A THREE WEEK BREAK BETWEEN THIS MEETING AND THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, I DON'T THINK IS TILL THE SECOND MONDAY IN APRIL.

SO THAT WOULD BE A THREE WEEK DELAY FURTHER.

SO, UM, YOU CAN BRING THAT UP WITH HIM LATER AS, UH, WHEN HE'S ON THE AGENDA LATER TONIGHT TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU NEED TO SUSPEND THE ONE READING AND HAVE BOTH READINGS ON MONDAY NIGHT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, JIM.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BELL REGARDING, UH, THAT SUPPLEMENTAL FOR THE EPA? OKAY.

WE'LL MOVE THAT ON TO THE, UH, TO THE COUNCIL MEETING FOR MONDAY.

NEXT

[ Medic - Capital Lease - Fire Division]

UP IS ITEM THREE D WHICH IS THE MEDIC CAPITOL EAST THROUGH THE FIRE DIVISION.

YES, THAT IS, UH, ONE OF MY ITEMS ALSO.

OKAY.

AND, UH, GREAT NEWS FOR YOU.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, UM, UM, WHEN WE DO COME AND PURCHASE MEDICS, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT A FIVE-YEAR LEASE.

UH, WE DID ONE IN 2017, UH, ALSO ONE IN 2018, AND THERE'LL BE THIS ONE AND, UH, ANOTHER ONE, UH, DUE IN 2022.

SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU ADVANCE NOTICE OF THAT, BUT I'M VERY HAPPY TO SAY THAT, UH, THE, UH, THE BEST QUOTE I GOT, UH, WHEN I SENT OUT THE, UM, UH, TO THE DIFFERENT FINANCIAL COMPANIES AND BANKS THAT HAVE APPROACHED ME FROM TIME TO TIME AND SAID, HEY, WHENEVER THERE'S A BID OUT, PLEASE SEND ONE TO ME.

SO I DID THAT, AND THE BEST RATE WAS 1.2, 5%, WHICH IS A FULL 1% LOWER THAN THE MEDIC FROM 2018.

SO I WAS VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

AND THE TOTAL INTEREST ON THIS IS ONLY GOING TO BE $8,000.

SO IT'S A TASTE TO PUT THAT OUT TO AS YOU, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT MAKING A WHOLE LOT ON OUR INVESTMENT INCOME RIGHT NOW, IT'S UNDER 1% ON THE PORTFOLIO, BUT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ON THE OTHER SIDE, GET DEBT AT A VERY LOW COST IS, UH, TO OUR ADVANTAGE.

SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO BRING THAT TO YOU.

AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE LOWEST DEBT PROPOSAL I'VE EVER BROUGHT TO, TO CITY COUNCIL.

SO I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS AND, UM, THE, UH, THE DATA, THE DATE THAT'S EXPECTED FOR THE MEDIC TO BE DELIVERED, UH, UH, PRESENTLY IS APRIL 16TH.

SO THE DATE OF THIS, UM, UH, THE LEASE AGREEMENT IS TO BE, UH, THE FUNDS WOULD BE DELIVERED TO THE CITY.

APRIL ONE WOULD GO INTO AN ESCROW ACCOUNT AND BE HELD THERE UNTIL THE DELIVERY OF THE MEDIC.

AND, UH, AS YOU KNOW, MEDICS COULD BE DELIVERED ON TIME.

IT COULD BE A WEEKLY, IT COULD BE A WEEK EARLY.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS WORKING WITH,

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UH, KEITH NICELY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, UH, IT IS,