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          [1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
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          GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. 
          AGAIN, IT IS SIX O'CLOCK. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING STARTED RUNNING TIME. 
          THIS SAYS, SEE IF YOU WERE HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION HYBRID IN-PERSON ROAD MEETING. 
          UH, TODAY'S DATE IS MARCH 16TH, 2021. 
          AND WE ARE HERE AT CITY HALL. 
          THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER. 
          MR. ROGERS, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. SHAWL, HERE BAKER HERE. 
          MR. CAMPBELL. 
          HERE. 
          THIS IS BERGE MR. OTTO HERE. 
          MR. LYONS HERE, MR. HILL HERE. 
          MR. WEBB HERE, MAYOR GORE HERE. 
          [2. Approval of Minutes]
UH, NUMBER TWO IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          UH, ITEM TWO EIGHT FROM MARCH 2ND, 2021. 
          UM, I THINK MS. ROGERS, THOSE ARE THE MINUTES THAT YOU'RE STILL PREPARING, CORRECT? YEP. 
          SO THOSE ARE AVAILABLE TONIGHT. 
          WE'LL HAVE TWO SETS NEXT WEEK. 
          OKAY. 
          TWO SETS OF MINUTES NEXT WEEKS FOR APPROVAL. 
          [  City Manager Resignation Discussion]
NEXT UP IS THAT NUMBER THREE WORK SESSION, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION. 
          UH, AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, WE HAD A, AND I, WE TALKED ABOUT EVEN ON FACEBOOK TALKING ABOUT THIS, UH, WORK SESSION TO HAVE PART OF THE SAME MANAGER, UH, UH, RESIGNATION DISCUSSION. 
          AND IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO DID WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT TONIGHT, I CERTAINLY, WE STILL WANTED TO OFFER THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE HAD TOLD YOU PREVIOUSLY THAT WE WOULD, UH, SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, JUST, UH, THE MOTION WAS APPROVED LAST NIGHT. 
          I I'M NOT MISTAKEN IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION WAS, UM, WAS APPROVED, UH, OR PASSED TODAY AT THE SECOND READING. 
          UH, BUT I WOULD OPEN IT UP TO, UH, ANYONE WHO HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEY'D LIKE TO SAY OR DISCUSS ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ITEM B, WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT, I HAVE ONE SIGNED UP AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE ONE OTHER PERSON IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS, OKAY. 
          UM, WHENEVER RENT, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          IT WOULD APPEAR THAT WE ARE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE OF STANDARD HR PROCEDURES WERE NOT BEING FOLLOWED BY IN OUR CITY. 
          AND IN ADDITION, WE HAVE A RESIGNATION CONSULTING AGREEMENT THAT ACCORDING TO LAST NIGHT WAS A CUT AND PASTE FROM THAT DONE FOR ANOTHER CITY. 
          NOW, TO TOP IT ALL OFF THE NUMBERS, GIVEN TO CITY COUNCIL IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND STATED AGAIN, LAST NIGHT FOR THE VOUCHER VALUE, DETERMINATION WERE NOT ACCURATE. 
          EVEN MYSELF WITH MY EXPERIENCE IN BUSINESS, I RECOGNIZE LAST NIGHT, THAT $5,000 WAS NOT A REASONABLE AMOUNT FOR HEALTH, DENTAL, AND VISION FOR A YEAR, CONSIDERING THAT MOST OF OUR PEOPLE ON COUNCIL ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE, SOME WHO OWN THEIR OWN BUSINESSES, CERTAINLY THAT SHOULD HAVE RUNG A BELL WITH YOU. 
          I REACHED OUT FOR CONFIRMATION AFTER THE MEETING LAST NIGHT, BECAUSE THERE I DID, IT SOUNDED TO ME MORE OF WHAT THE EMPLOYEE WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING RATHER THAN WHAT THE COST OF THE CITY WAS. 
          I KNOW WHEN I LEFT A COMPANY AND THEY OFFERED ME COBRA HEALTH ALONE WAS $1,800 A MONTH. 
          I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT THIS WE SHOULD REALIZE AND LEARN, AND SOME THINGS SHOULD CHANGE. 
          I'M SURE MR. MCDONALD IS A VERY GOOD PERSON, BUT THIS IS AN EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE MISTAKE THAT HAS BEEN MADE. 
          DECISIONS WERE MADE THAT WE, THE TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. 
          I THINK THAT OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERED IF MR. SCHOMER WAS NOT SU SUFFICIENT AS AN EMPLOYEE, WE NEED A LAWYER THAT WILL MAKE SURE THAT HE IS GIVING US ACCURATE INFORMATION WHEN YOU ALL MAKE DECISIONS THAT THE TAXPAYERS HAVE TO BE. 
          HEY FAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VERY COMMENTS, MR. ROGERS. 
          UM, NEXT, JUST SPEAK, JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE TODAY. 
          UH, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S ALWAYS AT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, BE A CITIZEN TO COME OUT HERE AND EXPRESS OUR VIEWS. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE NOT BEING HERE YESTERDAY, AS Y'ALL ALWAYS KNOW, UH, UH, JUST, UH, PAST WEEK, THERE'S ALWAYS JUST BEEN A, UH, MULTIPLE MEETINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED TO LAST MINUTE AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO POUR A TIES, UH, MY LIFE TO, TO COME OUT, TO TRY TO MAKE, UH, UH, A VOICE BE HEARD, UH, IS ALWAYS A, UH, A TOUGH CHOICE TO MAKE DURING THESE, DURING THESE TIMES. 
          UM, WITH THAT SAID, UH, I WROTE YOU ALL A LETTER. 
          I SENT THE LETTER, I SENT THE CITY A LETTER REGARDING SOME OF THE CONCERNS I HAD AS, AS, AS A CITIZEN. 
          UM, I'M NOT A, A BRIGHT NATIVE, I'M NOT AN OHIOAN. 
          UH, I WAS SENT HERE INITIALLY BY, BY THE MILITARY. 
          I, UH, WAS, UH, DECIDED TO STAY HERE FOR A PARTNER WHO WAS A POLICE OFFICER AS WELL, AND DECIDED TO CALL THIS MY HOME. 
          SO AGAIN, I, I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE PUT FORTH TO THIS POINT AND THE DECISIONS YOU'VE MADE AS, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS 
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AND AS THE MAYOR, UH, TO, TO, UH, CONTINUE TO HELP OUR CITY THRIVE, UH, WITH THAT SAID, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, I HAVEN'T LIVED HERE BEFORE. 
          UM, SO MOST OF THE DECISIONS I MAKE ARE MORE BASED OFF OF AN ANALYTICAL POSITION, UH, USING DOCUMENTS, UH, DATA, UH, TO HELP MAKE AN OBJECTIVE DECISION BASED OFF OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S PUT BEFORE ME. 
          BUT BEFORE ME, UM, THIS PAST WEEK HAS BEEN A TUMULTUOUS TIME FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, AND AS YOURSELVES AS WELL, UH, GOING THROUGH ELECTION YEARS AS, AS, UH, UH, I'VE TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT, UH, I'M GOING TO AVOID POINTING. 
          I'M GOING TO AVOID TO, UH, I'M GOING TO AVOID, UH, REFERENCING SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE ADDRESSED LAST NIGHT, JUST CONSIDERING THAT IT WAS A TOPIC THAT WAS ADDRESSED. 
          AND, UH, I'M AT LEAST SOME OF THE ISSUES WERE, WERE LAID OUT AND, UH, GOT TO A POINT WHERE, UH, IT WAS TO THE BEST BENEFIT TO, TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL MEMBERS TO LEAVE IT THERE. 
          UM, WITH THAT SAID, UM, I HAD SOME AREAS OF CONCERN, UH, BECAUSE OF THE IMMEDIATE, UM, UH, DECISIONS REGARDING THE RESIGNATION AND, UH, WRITING OF THE CONSULTATION AGREEMENT FOR THE SENIOR MANAGER. 
          UH, THOSE CONCERNS ARISE AT, UH, UH, RICE FROM LOOKING AT THE PAST 10 YEARS OF, OF RECORDS, INCLUDING THE AGENDAS AND MEETING MINUTES RELATED TO THE, UH, HIRING, UH, AND RE RE RESERVATIONS OF PREVIOUS, UH, CITY MANAGERS OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT ROTATING CITY MANAGERS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, PUT FORTH BETWEEN, PUT FORTH, PUT FORTH TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, TO LOOK INTO AN APPOINT BASED OFF OF, UH, THEIR HISTORY. 
          UM, SO I WAS ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH 2008, 2009 ALL THE WAY UP TO WOLF CURRENT YEAR, JUST TO UNDERSTAND HOW PROCESSES WORK FOR CITY HEIGHTS, UH, WHAT I WAS ABLE TO FIND AND, UH, WHAT BOTHERED ME AS WELL WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE RECORDS. 
          THERE WAS ONLY ONE TIME IN 2014 THAT A CONSULTATION AGREEMENT WAS WRITTEN FOR HER CITY MANAGER, WHICH WAS THE IN FOR MR. GARY ADAMS. UH, THE CONSULTATION AGREEMENT FOR THEN MR. GARY ADAMS WAS WRITTEN FOR UP TO $10,000, UH, AS WELL AS $50 PER HOUR TO HELP WITH THE TRANSITION PERIOD. 
          SO THAT WAS A RED FLAG FOR ME TO TRY TO COMPREHEND ON WHERE THE ADDITIONAL $150,000 WAS COMING FROM, UH, TO BE ASSIGNED TO, UH, NOW THE RESIGN CITY MANAGER, UH, AGAIN, AS THE PREVIOUS WOMAN HAS STATED, UM, BEING, BEING A BUSINESS PERSON, AS WELL AS AN ANALYTICAL PERSON, UH, UH, 10 TIMES INCREASE TO A CONSULTING CONTRACT, UM, DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AS A BUSINESS PERSON TO, UH, JUSTIFY A 10, 10 TIMES INCREASE FOR CONSULTING AGREEMENT, UH, TO A PERSON WHOM THE CITY DECIDED TO, UH, TO LET GO BECAUSE OF FORMER PERFORMANCE ISSUES. 
          UH, SO NOW YOU'RE PAYING THAT PERSON 10 TIMES AS MUCH, UH, AS A PREVIOUS, UH, UH, ONLY CONSULTING CONTRACT, UH, IN THE PAST. 
          UH, SO THE LINES THAT THE DECISION-MAKINGS IN, IN LINEUP, IN MY PERSPECTIVE, SO THAT WAS RED FLAG FOR ME. 
          NUMBER ONE, I'M TRYING TO JUSTIFY 10 TIMES INCREASE FOR THE THEN CONSULTING AGREEMENT. 
          UH, RED FLAG NUMBER TWO WAS, UH, THE DISPARITIES OF THE PROCESSES WHEN YOU COMPARE THE, UH, RE RESONATION AND CONSULTING PROCESS FOR GARY ADAMS TO, UH, MR. ROB SCHUMER, UM, PROCESS FOR MR. GARY ADAMS THEN WAS TO, UH, PROVIDE THE RESIGNATION RESIGNATION LATER TO CITY COUNCIL BACK IN 2014, UM, AND 2012, AND THEN, UH, PROVIDE THE CONSULTING AGREEMENT WITHIN THE SAME, UH, FORUM, WHICH WAS A GENERAL SESSION TO ALLOW, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF WHERE THE MONEY WAS GOING, AS WELL AS HAVE INPUT ON THE TYPE OF FUNDS THAT WERE BEING SUSPENDED ON THE BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, UH, NO EXPERIENCE WITH HUBER HEIGHTS, I WASN'T BORN HERE, BUT USE THAT INFORMATION. 
          WHAT CONCERNED ME AGAIN WAS, UH, THIS WAS THE ONLY TIME, UH, IN THE PAST 10 YEARS, UM, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO RESIGN, AND THEN, UH, WRITE A CONSULTING AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, DURING A EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, THE PASSING PASS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE PAST 10 YEARS. 
          UM, IT, IT DOES, DID IT MAKE SENSE TO ME? UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME, UH, AND IT STILL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, WHICH IS FINE. 
          WE ARE, ARE THE AGREEMENTS SET INTO PLACE? YOU CAN'T GO FORWARD AND CORRECT THE ACTIONS. 
          UH, AND THAT'S WHERE I BELIEVE WE ARE HERE TODAY IS, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR ACTIONS HAVE DONE. 
          NOW, WHAT PRECEDENTS HAVE WE SET FOR THE INCOMING 
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SYDNEY MANAGERS? WHAT PERFORMANCE ARE THEY GOING TO BE? UH, WHAT FORMATS ARE THEY GOING TO BE SET TO, UM, TO ENSURE THAT DURING THE TRANSITION, UH, THEY TOO, DON'T COME OFF WITH AN ADDITIONAL PACKAGE THAT INCLUDES BENEFITS. 
          UH, IT'S JUST A CONCERNING TIME FOR MYSELF TO, TO LOOK AT HOW THE PROCESSES HAVE COME INTO PLAY AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE IN FACT, WHAT IMPACTING FUTURE DECISIONS. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT CAN BE SAID AROUND THAT. 
          UH, AND I BELIEVE A LOT OF, ALL OF IT WAS ADDRESSED LAST NIGHT. 
          UH, AND SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU TOOK LAST NIGHT TO, TO SIT DOWN AND HEAR THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND, AND, UH, TAKE IN WHAT WE'RE SAYING. 
          UM, WITHOUT FURTHERMORE TO SAY, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. 
          UH, AND I APPRECIATE THE SERVICE YOU'RE DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU'VE TAKEN TO LISTEN TO ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I WILL JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO KIND OF HELP MAYBE EXPLAIN, UH, MAYBE MAKE A PART OF THE REASON IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY THAT'S FINE IN CASE YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP. 
          I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          SO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT EXECUTIVE SESSION LAST NIGHT, SO WE'LL JUST, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE ON THAT, ON THAT LEVEL, UH, THERE BASICALLY. 
          SO THERE WAS THREE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THIS COUNCIL AND, UH, MR. MCDONALD MADE ALL THREE OF THOSE VERY CLEAR TO US. 
          AND SO ONE WAS TERMINATION WITHOUT CAUSE ONE WAS TERMINATION WITH CAUSE, AND THEN THERE'S OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEPARATE THROUGH A RESIGNATION AGREEMENT. 
          UH, IT WAS LEGAL COUNSEL'S ADVICE THAT A WITH CAUSE TERMINATION WAS NOT THE WAY TO GO AND WOULD NOT END UP IN BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. 
          IF THAT WAS THE ROUTE THAT WE HAD CHOSEN A TERMINATION WITHOUT. 
          CAUSE THIS WAS MENTIONED LAST NIGHT THAT MS. RADHA THOUGHT WE WERE DOING A WITHOUT CAUSE TERMINATION WOULD HAVE ENDED UP PAYING MR. SCHOMER ABOUT $152,000 AND ANY WITHOUT CAUSE TERMINATION, WE WOULD JUST BE SAYING, GO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU ANYMORE. 
          AND WE'D STILL BE PAYING $152,000. 
          SO OTHER THAN THE MISCALCULATION ON THE HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS, AND AGAIN, AS WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT $150,000, WE REMINDED EVERYONE LAST NIGHT ABOUT $41,000 OF THAT WAS ACCRUED VACATION PAY AT MR. SCHOMER. 
          SO 41,000 OF THE ONE 50 IS HIS OWN MONEY ANYWAY, THAT HE WOULD HAVE, HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN. 
          SO THE REASON I BELIEVE THAT THROUGH THE DISCUSSION THAT THE CONSULTANT GREAT MADE SENSE WAS BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER. 
          MR. SCHIRMER DOES, AS I HAD STATED, JUST BECAUSE IT WAS TIME TO MOVE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION DIDN'T MEAN THAT HE DIDN'T BRING VALUE TO THE CITY. 
          AND HE COULDN'T ADD VALUE TO MR.  CASE. 
          HE HAD TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT, ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT HE WOULD, UH, USE MR. SCHOMER. 
          SO IN MY MIND, WHEN I LOOK AT, OKAY, HOW DO WE DO THIS? AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION. 
          THAT'S WHY THE DECISION WAS MADE. 
          IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 150, $2,000 TO NEVER SPEAK TO ROB AGAIN, OR SPEND $150,000 TO HAVE ROB AVAILABLE, TO CONSULT WITH THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER. 
          THAT CERTAINLY SEEMED LIKE THE WISEST DECISION, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON THAT ROB DOES HAVE VERY INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE ON ALL THOSE THINGS, COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM WHATEVER EMPLOYMENT ISSUES THAT WE HAD. 
          I BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL VOTED BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THERE WAS SOME VALUE. 
          HE WAS STILL GOING TO BRING THROUGHOUT THIS TRANSITION PROCESS. 
          SO IT KIND OF COME DOWN TO $152,000 AND HE GOES AWAY AND WE NEVER SEE HIM OR $150,000. 
          AND WE STILL HAVE HIS EXPERTISE FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. 
          THAT REALLY WAS WHAT IT IS THEN BASED ON THE LEGAL ADVICE FROM MR. MCDONALD THAT A WITH CAUSE TERMINATION WOULD PROBABLY END UP PRETTY BAD FOR US. 
          SO, SO I THINK IN THE END, THE DECISION WAS MADE. 
          I BELIEVE, I'LL SAY AGAIN, I BELIEVE EVERYONE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE VOTING FOR AND THAT WAS, AND I, EVERY ONE OF THEM, WHETHER THEY DISAGREE WITH ME OR NOT WAS IN THE, WAS MADE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. 
          I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE A SIMILAR STORY TO THAT. 
          UH, WORKING IN THE MILITARY, WE HAD A FLINT, UH, FLIGHT, UH, BRANCH CHIEF WHO, UH, WAS NOT PERFORMING WELL. 
          UM, HE OR SHE, UH, WAS A GS 14 GS FOURTEENS INSIDE OF THE GOVERNMENT AND GET PAID ANYWHERE BETWEEN 111 K TO 250 K UH, HIS PERFORMANCE ISSUES LED TO HIM BEING FORCED INTO AN EARLY RETIREMENT VERSUS TERMINATION SLASH DETERMINATE, UH, TERMINATION, UM, WHAT OUR DEPUTY AND OUR COMMANDER AND OUR GENERAL COULD HAVE DONE IN THAT SPECIFIC SITUATION COULD HAVE BEEN TO LET HIM CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR FLIGHT AND HAVE 
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A CONTINUED PERFORMANCE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE CONTINUITY, UH, BECAUSE OF HIS EXPERIENCE OR LET HIM GO AND, YOU KNOW, HIRE AN ADDITIONAL PERSON TO REPLACE HIM. 
          UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK HE DID PROBABLY CONTINUE THE CONTINUITY. 
          HE DID NOT, UH, EVERYONE IN THE MILITARY, EVERYONE WHO WORKS FOR THE GOVERNMENT, EVERYONE WHO, UH, KNOWS THEIR JOB AND THE POSITION HAS THE ABILITY, UH, TO TAKEOVER WHEN CALLED UPON, UH, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. 
          UM, A HUGE DIFFERENCE, UM, IN THE WAY THINGS ARE MANAGED, UH, HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS. 
          UH, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST THE DOD, OR MAYBE IT'S JUST THE MILITARY. 
          UH, AGAIN, HE WAS A JEW THAT JESS FOR HE, OR SHE WAS A GS 14. 
          SO THERE WERE A CIVILIAN, UM, ON, AT RIGHT PAT, WHICH IS, UH, PRIMARILY SIBLING BASED ORGANIZATION. 
          UM, SO YOU WOULD THINK, UM, I WOULD THINK THAT HAVING A PERSON WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO TAKE OVER WHEN, WHEN CALLED UPON WOULD BE NECESSARY, UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WAS DONE. 
          SO TWO DIFFERENT, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORIES, UH, REGARDING, UH, THE OUTCOME AND TO THIS DAY, UH, THAT SPECIFIC FLIGHT, UH, MANAGES THE PORTFOLIO, UH, BEFORE, UH, UP TO TWO, $2 BILLION PER YEAR. 
          UH, AND THE CONNOR KNEW WHEN YOU STILL TAKES PLACE. 
          UM, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT, UH, WHAT PORTFOLIO, WHAT THE PORTFOLIO, UH, HE WAS MANAGING HERE IF IT WAS UP TO 2 BILLION. 
          UM, BUT KNOWING WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST FOR THE SPECIFIC FLIGHT CHIEF, UM, AND HIM OR SHE BEING, UH, RESIGNED OR FORCED TO RESIGN, RESIGN DIDN'T HAVE ANY IMPACT, UH, TO THE OVERALL PERFORMANCE AND WELFARE OF THE PORTFOLIO THAT THE FLIGHT WAS MANAGING OVER AND THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE REPORTING TO HIM AS WELL. 
          SO TWO DIFFERENT NARRATIVES. 
          AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT, THAT PARTICULAR OUTLOOK, I, AND I, I WAS IN THE ARMY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT SPECIFIC JOB THAT ENTAILED. 
          UM, I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE SPECIFICS ON WHAT THE, WHAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE DON'T HAVE A $2 BILLION BUDGET. 
          WE HAVE A $90 MILLION ANNUAL BUDGET HERE, SO IT'S SMALLER. 
          AND THERE ARE, UM, THE, THE JOB THAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES HERE THEN BECOMES DIRECTLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS COUNCIL THROUGH 40,000 RESIDENTS. 
          SO HE MAY HAVE BEEN OVERSEEING A $2 BILLION BUDGET, BUT I'M NOT SURE HE WAS ACCOUNTABLE TO 40,000 PEOPLE. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS HERE OF WHAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES, IT IS VERY SPECIFIC, BUT IT'S VERY BROAD. 
          HE'S MANAGING EVERYTHING ABOUT THE CITY. 
          AND THERE ARE, UH, AGAIN, WE BROUGHT UP LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL'S APPROVED ABOUT $12 MILLION OF REAL ESTATE PURCHASES THAT MR. SCHIRMER WAS INVOLVED IN. 
          UM, THE SCOTT AGAIN, WENT OVER AND EVERYONE I'D LIKE TO SAY, I MEAN, EVERYONE HAS EXPRESSED THEIR, THEIR FAITH AND CONFIDENCE IN MR. FALKOWSKI, BUT THERE, BUT MR. FALKOWSKI SAID THERE, ADMITTEDLY, SO THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW BECAUSE SCOTT WAS AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IN A DIFFERENT ROLE SPECIFIC TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HE, SCOTT IS A CIVIL ENGINEER BY TRADE. 
          ALL OF THOSE REASONS MADE ME BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 
          NOW, IF IT WOULD HAVE THE DIFFERENCE BEING, IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A $20,000 DIFFERENCE TO SAY ROB GO, OR, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, VERSUS THE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND ONE 52 TO GO, OR WHAT WE BELIEVE BEFORE THE HEALTH INSURANCE ISSUE, ONE 50 TO STILL BE AVAILABLE, THAT SEEMED LIKE THE RIGHT DECISION. 
          IF THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A HUGE DISCREPANCY OF $200,000 AND WHAT IT WOULD HAVE COST ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I WOULD HAVE CERTAINLY UNDERSTOOD THIS COUNCIL SAID, NO, I THINK WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE THAT $200,000 RISK OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS RISK. 
          AND THE DIFFERENCE SCOTT, YOU NEED TO BUCKLE UP AND WE'LL PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE AND WE'LL HELP YOU. 
          AND WE'LL BE A LITTLE LENIENT IN WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENCE OF THE PACKAGE OF ONE 52 TO NEVER TALK TO ROB AGAIN, OR ONE 50 TO HAVE HIM AVAILABLE, THAT JUST MADE SENSE. 
          THERE'S A SET OF PRECEDENTS FOR INCOMING AND OUTGOING SENIOR MANAGERS, ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO NOT, NOT PERFORM AND THEN STILL LEAVE WITH A LUMP SUM PACKAGE. 
          SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL COULD ADDRESS IN WHATEVER INCOMING CONTRACT. 
          YEAH, THAT'LL DO IT. 
           DO THAT. 
          I MEAN, IN MS. MARIMBA SUCCESSION PLANNING, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO BE MORE EFFICIENT AND TO BE BETTER. 
          AND I, AND I DO, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT TOO BIG TO ADMIT THAT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, THERE'S NOT THINGS THAT WE COULD BE BETTER ON, BUT I STILL STAND VERY FIRM IN THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT MOVING IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO GO. 
          WE'VE GOT A COMPETENT INTERIM CITY MANAGER, SERGIO, AND WE HAVE AN OUTGOING CITY MANAGER THAT STILL HAS SOME THINGS 
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TO OFFER, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU COMPARE THE NUMBERS OF WHAT IT WOULD'VE COST FOR WITHOUT CAUSE OR THE CONSULTING AGREEMENT IT'S UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND, AND I, AND STILL THROUGHOUT THIS, I BELIEVE THAT MR. SCHIRMER HAS INTEGRITY. 
          HE WILL FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT. 
          UM, I TALKED TO MR. WAKOWSKI TODAY, THERE'S ALREADY SEVERAL HOURS, UM, AND PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS ALREADY, AND, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN HIM AND MR. SCHOMER. 
          SO I JUST LOOK AT IT, I THINK WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S, AND I THINK WHAT'S EXACTLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COST BENEFIT. 
          WAS THAT DONE OR WAS THAT JUST, YES. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY COMMON SENSE THAT IF WE COULD HAVE SAVED MONEY AND STILL HAD HIS EXPERTISE TO HELP MR.  IN THE PROCESS, THAT SEEMED, I MEAN, JUST, THAT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND THEN ONE FINAL QUESTION. 
          UH, UH, I, MY PRIMARY DUTY, UH, BEFORE AND I NOW WORKED FOR, FOR SPEEDWAY, UH, WAS, UH, WAS, UH, A CONTRACTING OFFICER CONTRACTING OFFICERS OF PERSONNEL WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT. 
          THAT'S OBLIGATED TO SPEND MONEY ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT. 
          UM, THE LARGEST CONTRACT I WAS ABLE TO WORK ON AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON WAS A 1.2 BILLION. 
          UH, IT WAS AN ENLIGHTENING EXPERIENCE, UH, BUT I WAS TRUSTED WITH THAT PROCESS AND TO GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS WELL. 
          UM, ONE OF THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAD WAS TO OBLIGATE THE GOVERNMENT AND WE SOLELY HAD THAT, UH, THAT AUTHORITY TO OBLIGATE THE GOVERNMENT ON THAT BEHALF UNTIL DELEGATED TO AN ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL. 
          UM, HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK OUT OF FOUR, FOUR HUBER HEIGHTS? UM, IS IT LIKE JUST WHAT OCCURRED ON MONDAY, COMING OUT AND ACCEPTED A SESSION AND REQUESTING THE, UH, LAW DIRECTOR TO EXECUTE, UH, SO SAID, UH, RESUME RESONATION CONSULTATION AGREEMENT, UM, DOES THAT, UH, DOES THAT GIVE IMPLICIT AUTHORITY FOR THE LAW DIRECTOR TO OBLIGATE MONEY ON BEHALF OF HUBER HEIGHTS? OR WHERE DOES THE OBLIGATION TO HAVE AUTHORITY TO, TO EXPEND APPROPRIATIONS ON PATH OF HUBER HEIGHTS LIE? SO I THINK W YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNEW THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SUPPLEMENTAL TO COME BACK, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE PAST THE EXECUTION OF THE AGREEMENTS WERE TH TH THE COUNCIL BY THAT MOTION DIRECT TO THE LAW DIRECTOR TO, TO, TO GO OUT AND GET THOSE AGREEMENTS, GET THEM SIGNED. 
          I MEAN, THAT WAS THE, UH, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS AT THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL AND THEN THE, TO APPROPRIATE THE MONEY. 
          YES. 
          THERE'S LEGISLATION. 
          THAT'S WHAT WAS PASSED. 
          WELL, WE HAVE A TERM FOR THAT, UH, IN CONTRACTING IT'S CALLED, UH, ANTI DEFICIENT ANTI-DEFICIENCY USE WHEN YOU'RE OBLIGATING THE FUNDS BEFORE YOU HAVE THEM, UM, WHEN WE ARE ANTI DEFICIENT IN THE GOVERNMENT, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, NO-NO, UH, THERE SPECIFIC ACTIONS THAT ARE TAKEN TO CORRECT THOSE MEASURES. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THE ANTI-DEFICIENCY, UM, PROCESS APPLIES IN THIS SITUATION, OR IF THAT'S SPECIFIC TO, UH, THE SPECIFIC SITUATION, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IT'S CALLED IS WHEN YOU, YOU OBLIGATE FUNDS BEFORE YOU HAVE THEM, IT'S AN ANTI DEFICIENT PROCESS. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE, THE F THE FUNDS, THOUGH, THE, IN FACT, IN THE, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT, THE PART OF THE, UH, ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WOULD BE DUE THE CITY MANAGER IN ANY ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS, UH, THE ACTUAL CONTRACT SPECIFIES THAT MONEY IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE AND IT'S THERE IN THE GENERAL FUND AS PART OF BEING AVAILABLE FOR THAT. 
          SO, UM, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD THAT TERM USED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WILL TELL YOU, LOOK, YOU'RE JUST ON A POSITIVE NOTE SAYING HERE AND TALKING TO THEM VERY, VERY, VERY IMPRESSED BY YOU. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TALK TONIGHT ABOUT A, UH, RFP FOR A NEW CITY MANAGER. 
          YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THAT I ENJOY WORKING. 
          I ENJOY WORKING WITH THE DIVERSITY OF COMPANIES, DIVERSITY, DISPOSABLE PERMISSION, AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF, UH, I APPRECIATE IT, BUT, BUT I, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE TAKEN ASIDE, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION. 
          THANK YOU FOR, FOR COMING AND SHARING THAT INFORMATION. 
          I THINK IT'S, UH, COULD BE ENLIGHTENING FOR ALL OF US. 
          SO THANK YOU, MR. AUDIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MA'AM, UH, LAST NIGHT'S DISCUSSION HAD BROUGHT, UH, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS IN MY OPINION, AND, UH, MOSTLY BROUGHT BY, UH, MY, ALL OF THEM BROUGHT BY RESIDENTS, AND I'M JUST, I WANTED TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS TO CLEAR UP. 
          UM, OUR FORMER MAYOR TOMICH MASTERS HAD SENT US SOME EMAILS, SO I, I KIND OF LOOKED AT THOSE BRIEFLY. 
          AND THEN I WENT, I, AND ACTUALLY JUMPED INTO, UM, OUR, UM, OUR RULES OF COUNCIL OR CHARTER THE ORC AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          UH, JERRY AND I KIND OF, IT KIND OF FELT THIS WAY TO ME AS WELL, THE ACTION THAT WE TOOK LAST MONDAY BY A MOTION TO DO THAT, IT'S, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE 
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TO MAKE IT PROPER. 
          IS THAT WHY WE REDID IT LAST NIGHT AS A RESULT? THAT'S NOT WHY WE DID IT LAST NIGHT AS A RESOLUTION, BUT DOING IT LAST NIGHT AS A RESOLUTION MADE ME SLEEP BETTER AT NIGHT, I PASSED IT. 
          IT WAS LEGAL, BUT IT WAS NOT TYPICAL. 
          IT WAS NOT THE WAY WE NORMALLY WOULD DO THINGS, AND THAT WAS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          AND SO I WAS VERY GLAD WHEN THE MAYOR DECIDED HE WANTED TO OPEN IT UP TO PUT IT THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS. 
          I MEAN, I, YEAH, CAUSE I WASN'T EITHER. 
          I, I, I HONESTLY ASSUMED THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BRING THINGS BACK TO US AS, UH, AN ORDINANCE RESOLUTION FOR OUR APPROVAL. 
          THAT WAS MY ASSUMPTION. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING THAT ASSUMPTION APPARENTLY. 
          UM, THE SECOND, UH, SECOND ONE I HAD WAS MR. HENDRICKS HAD BROUGHT A DOCUMENT, UH, CONCERNING THE, UM, THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD WITH MS. HAVE WITH MR. SCHOMER AND MENTIONED METADATA ON THAT ONE. 
          AND YOU HAD STATED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, THE REASON THAT WAS, UH, HAD THE FEBRUARY 6TH DATE ON IT WAS BECAUSE, WELL, THERE WERE SOME CHANGES, IT WAS VANDALIA, HIS OLD ONE. 
          UM, IT HAD BEEN UPDATED OR CHANGED OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          UM, MY QUESTION IS VANDALIA. 
          HIS PROCESS WAS JUNE OF LAST YEAR, 2020. 
          UM, WHY WOULD YOU BE UPDATING THAT IN FEBRUARY IF THIS SITUATION WAS UNKNOWN TO US AT THE TIME? UH, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS A MONTH AFTER THAT MARCH AROUND THE WEEKEND OF MARCH 6TH WAS THE FIRST KNOWLEDGE OF IT TO, TO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          I DON'T RECALL WHEN THE VANDALIA AGREEMENT WAS, I JUST KNOW THAT 22ND OF LAST YEAR. 
          AND IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE VANDALIA AGREEMENT, YOU WOULD SEE THAT THEY'RE BASICALLY HAVE THE SAME ISSUES AND THAT'S FINE. 
          THE DETAILS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S WHY I'M ASSUMING. 
          CAUSE THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT IF THE DOCUMENT WAS CHANGED ON FEBRUARY 6TH, MY QUESTION IS WHY FEBRUARY 6TH? WHY, WHY WERE YOU? I WAS PROBABLY GOING IN, IN THAT DOC I'M AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW METADATA WORKS, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT AND YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE NINE DISPARAGING CLAUSE AND YOUR USERS NEED A NON-DISPARAGEMENT CLAUSE FOR ANOTHER DOCUMENT, I GO BACK TO ONE THAT I'VE DONE AND I GO IN THERE AND PULL IT OUT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PUT A SIGNATURE IN FEBRUARY OR NOT, BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT I WAS NOT WORKING ON ANY TYPE OF AGREEMENT FOR ROB SHOMER UNTIL MONDAY, LAST MONTH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE LAST THING I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ONCE AGAIN, POINT OUT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I'VE HAD A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE SAYING THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. 
          I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND SO ON AND SO FORTH, BUT HERE WE ARE SITTING TODAY WITH, YOU KNOW, AN ADDITIONAL $20,000 COST, GENERALLY SPEAKING FOR ALL THE, FOR THE MEDICAL DENTAL, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          AND, UH, AND THAT WAS UNKNOWN AT THE TIME. 
          SO NOW WE'RE SITTING AT NOT ONE 50, BUT 170,000. 
          SO MY POINT IS I THINK THIS APPEARS TO ME THAT THERE'S CON THERE WAS CONFUSION EVERYWHERE. 
          THIS PRODUCT, THIS PROCESS WAS RUSHED. 
          THIS PROCESS WAS SLOPPY. 
          IT WASN'T DONE PROPERLY. 
          AND I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION AROUND HERE AND, UM, UH, IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, MRS. BERGE. 
          I HAVE NOTHING ON THIS SUBJECT. 
          I JUST WANT TO ASK BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT THAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A STATEMENT. 
          YES. 
          ARE I DO HAVE ONE OTHER PERSON ASKED US TO SPEAK MR. FRICK WILEY. 
          HI, GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, I, WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I DID HAVE SOME FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS BASED ON, UH, WHAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER. 
          THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BACK WHEN YOU LOOK AT 2012 AND 2013, WHEN GARY ADAMS RESIGNED IN HIS FIRST YEAR, AND THEN DAVE STUDEBAKER RESIGNED THE FOLLOWING YEAR WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR, THE CONSULTING AGREEMENTS THAT WERE SET UP AT THAT TIME TO HELP THE TRANSITION. 
          WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THOSE TWO PROCESSES WHEN THEY STILL HAD A LARGE AMOUNT OF THEIR CONTRACT LEFT TO GO VERSUS HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT WITH MR. SCHOMER, WHO ONLY HAD A YEAR LEFT TO GO, JUST SO THAT IT CAN BE KIND OF CLEARED UP BECAUSE THAT KIND OF RANG IN MY MIND. 
          I WAS LIKE, THERE WAS KIND OF A DIFFERENT SARAH WHERE, LIKE YOU SAY, GARY WAS PAID LIKE A $50 AN HOUR CONSULTATION FEE FOR LIKE, IF SCOTT WERE TO NEED THEM, HE CALLED THEM UP. 
          THEY'D BILL IT OUT, ALMOST LIKE AN ATTORNEY KIND OF RATE. 
          BUT WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO RESIGNATIONS THAT WERE ACCEPTED AND BROUGHT FORTH IN CONSULTATION AGREEMENTS WERE IN PLACE VERSUS THIS TIME? IF ANYBODY KNOWS? WELL, I CERTAINLY WASN'T ON THIS COUNCIL IN TWO 12  WAS JUST AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER. 
          SO THERE WAS NO CONSULTANT. 
          THE ONLY OTHER CONSULTING AGREEMENT WAS WITH ADAM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'LL JUST GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE THERE IN THE LAW DIRECTOR IS DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS BACK THEN. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S PEOPLE CAN SPEAK ON THAT SITUATION, BUT I WOULD JUST GO BACK AND 
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REPEAT THAT WE WERE FACED WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR MR. SCHIRMER TO LEAVE OR A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR MR. SCHOMER TO LEAVE, BUT STILL BE REQUIRED TO CONSULT WITH THROUGH THE TRANSITION PROCESS. 
          AND YES, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE HEALTH INSURANCE MONEY, NOT BEING A PART OF THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE KNEW UNTIL TODAY, MR. MCDONALD INFORMED US, BUT GOING OFF THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAD, THEN IT WAS 152 TO GO AND LEAVE US ALONE, OR ONE 50 TO STAY AND CONSULT WITH SCOTT FOR SIX MONTHS. 
          I GUESS THAT WAS THE, THE QUESTION. 
          MAYBE IT WAS ABOUT HOW THE RESIGNATION WAS TEARING. 
          CAUSE I KNOW THAT GARY ADAMS WAS VOLUNTARILY RESIGNED TO GO TO BACK TO ILLINOIS. 
          I BELIEVE HE HAD FAMILY ISSUES THAT HE WAS SAYING HER PERSONAL ISSUES, IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS THE WAY THE RESIGNATION WAS, WAS WHERE WE GOT TO THIS POINT OF, DO WE DO A FORCED RESIGNATION WITH THE 152,000? OR DO WE DO THE PACKERS THAT WAS KIND OF PUT TOGETHER VERSUS HOW MR. ADAMS LEFT? IF THAT WAS THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, I WAS JUST, WHEN THAT PART WAS BROUGHT UP, IT WAS KIND OF CONFUSING TO ME A LITTLE BIT ON THAT PART, IF IT WAS JUST THE MANNER OF WHICH CAUSE MR. ADAMS WAS NOT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, HE WASN'T IN THE SAME PREDICAMENT, I GUESS IS WHERE WE FOUND OURSELVES THIS TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH MR. ADAMS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN, WHEN THIS DISCUSSION HAPPENED, THERE WAS NO CITY MANAGER ON MY MIND, EXCEPT FOR THE CURRENT ONE AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO SEPARATE IN THE BEST POSSIBLE MANNER WHERE THE CITY WOULD GET SOMETHING FOR THE MONEY THAT THEY WERE SPENDING. 
          BECAUSE IF WE CHOSE THE OTHER ROUTE, WE WERE STILL SPENDING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT WE MAY NEVER, WE WOULD NEVER SEE MR SCHOMER AGAIN. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO, SO THAT, THAT IS THE, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING THROUGH MY MIND ABOUT WHAT THAT DECISION WAS, MR. CAMPBELL WAS HERE AT THAT TIME. 
          SO MAYBE IF YOU ASKED TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW LONG GARY WAS HERE. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW LONG GARY WAS HERE, BUT IT WAS A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND GARY WAS PLANNING ON MOVING HIM AND HIS FAMILY TO THE BEST OF MY MEMORY. 
          HE HAD A PERSONAL ISSUE WITH A FAMILY MEMBER THAT HE WAS GOING BACK INTO THE MINISTRY AND HE TOO HAD KNOWLEDGE THAT WE WANTED TO CONTINUE. 
          SO HE HAD KNOWLEDGE AND WAS INVOLVED IN SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO CONSULT WITH, BUT FAR LESS THAN I THINK MR. SEAN MORAN. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT AND FIGURED THAT IF I WANTED SOMETHING REALLY, WASN'T AN APPLES AND ORANGES. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, MRS. BERGY. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE A STATEMENT? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          UM, I WAS PERSONALLY OFFENDED AS OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD BE BY A COMMENT MADE BY MR. LYONS AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING. 
          AND I CALLED FOR A SENSOR OF MR. LIONS FOR THE INFLAMMATORY STATEMENT HE MADE TOWARD COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO VOTED FOR THIS LEGISLATION BY SUGGESTING THAT WE ARE CORRECT OR COULD BE GETTING A BAG OF MONEY ON OUR PORCH AS A RESULT OF OUR VOTES IS, UH, UNBELIEVABLE. 
          AND I FIND IT UNFATHOMABLE THAT SOMEONE RUNNING FOR MAYOR MAYOR WOULD MAKE SUCH A DESPICABLE STATEMENT. 
          IS THAT COMING IN THE FORM OF EMOTION TO CENTRAL MR. LYONS, MRS. MERGE? I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT MR. LYONS BE CENSORED FOR THAT REMARK. 
          IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? MOTION FAILS IS LACK OF A SECOND. 
          APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. 
          SO MR. BIRCH, THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP. 
          WE HAVE 
          [ City Manager Report]
ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE SAME AS YOUR REPORT, MR. AMERSHAM ANDREW MCCALSKY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND GOOD. 
          UM, I HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS I WOULD LIKE TO PASS ON TO COUNSEL. 
          UH, THE FIRST IS, UH, UH, AN UPDATE ON THE CHARGING STATIONS THAT WE SUBMITTED GRANTS FOR LAST YEAR. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED NOTICE THAT, UH, WE HAVE BEEN AWARDED, UM, GRANTS FOR BOTH A TWO PORT 
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SENSE, THOMAS CLOUD PARK, AND FOUR PORTS AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER. 
          AND OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE MVR BC, UM, ON THE NEXT STEPS OF THAT OR THAT SUBMITTAL. 
          UM, AND THE DESIGNED PORTION IS COMING NEXT TO BE ABLE TO GET MOVING ON THOSE. 
          SO, AND ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, MMI ON THE LOCATION OF THOSE, UH, THE PROPER LOCATION OUT AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, UM, FOR THE BEST USE OUT AT THAT SITE. 
          UM, UH, A VERY IMPORTANT, UH, UH, INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE LML THAT, UH, FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN TO ALLOCATE, UH, APPROXIMATELY $7.48 MILLION FOR COVID-19 PANDEMIC RELIEF TO THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS. 
          UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, 50% WOULD BE ALLOCATED IN 2021, 50% IN 2022, SOME OF THE DETAILS ARE STILL BEING WORKED OUT. 
          SO, UM, OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT IS ON TOP OF THIS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE ARE LOOKING FOR WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS BABY, WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR, WHAT IT CAN'T BE USED FOR TIMEFRAMES, UH, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          IT WOULD BE A, UH, A ONE-TIME INFUSION, UM, INTO OUR CITY BUDGETS. 
          AND AS I SAID SO FAR, WE'VE SEEN POTENTIAL OF LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO IT WAS GREAT. 
          WE WILL BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION TO YOU AND DISCUSS, UH, THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FROM THAT. 
          UM, AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE TIMING OF THAT. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. KOSKI. 
          UH, IS THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. KELSEY, MR. OTTO QUICKLY? YEAH. 
          SCOTT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT UPDATE. 
          BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE AWESOME. 
          AND, UH, AND WORKING WITH DR. 
          ELECTRIC DAYTON AND, UH, THE, IN THE STATE, UM, ARM OF THAT AS WELL. 
          UH, W I THINK WE'RE STILL DOING GREAT. 
          I THINK WE'RE ON TOP IN THE REGION, AS FAR AS, UH, ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS AND WHATNOT, AND WE'RE STILL GROWING AND PUSHING THAT, AND IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE LEADING THE PACK AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. 
          MS. BAKER. 
          WELCOME SCOTT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COULD YOU, NEXT TIME WE MEET, UPDATE ME ON THE BMX PARK, IF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT TONIGHT? YES, I WILL, UH, GET A FULL UPDATE ON THAT. 
          I DID DISCUSS THAT WITH OUR PARKS MANAGER, UM, JUST LAST WEEK AND, UH, I WILL GET MORE INFORMATION TO PROVIDE A PROPER UPDATE AND OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR.  MR. SHAW, MARY I'M SITTING A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY TODAY. 
          I THINK I'M TO NEED A LIGHT POLE AT THIS POINT. 
          YEP. 
          UM, I DID WANT TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE THAT, UH, UM, UH, TOMORROW I WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN THE CALL WITH NLC, UM, REGARDING THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT IMPLEMENT IM IMPLEMENTATION. 
          UM, THIS IS IN CORRELATION WITH THE OHIO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE ON SOME ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE THROUGH, UM, UH, TREASURY ON HOW THAT WILL BE GOING OUT. 
          I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEND, UM, ALL OF COUNCIL, A, UH, A WAY TO REGISTER FOR THAT CALL THROUGH OUR MEMBERSHIP. 
          UH, IF YOU'D LIKE, UM, AND I CAN SEND IT OUT TO, UH, TO, TO JIM AND TO SCOTT AS WELL, UM, UH, TO, UH, PUSH THAT THROUGH, UM, IF YOU WOULD, YEAH. 
          IF YOU WOULD JUST SEND THEM USEFULNESS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ADDITIONALLY, UM, I WAS, UH, WITH MY, UM, UH, MY INVOLVEMENT WITH DRIVE ELECTRIC, OHIO DRIVER, LIKE YOUR DAYTON AND CLEAN FIELDS, OHIO AS MR.  STATED, UH, WITH OUR, UM, ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS. 
          UM, I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO, UH, BRING COMMENTS IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL HERE TODAY, UM, TO, UM, ASK FOR ASSISTANCE, UM, AND SUPPORTING A RESOLUTION TO OUR, UH, STATE REPRESENTATIVES, UH, OUR STATE SENATORS AND, UH, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UM, TO, UH, ROLL BACK, UM, THE, UM, REGISTRATION FEES REGARDING HYBRIDS AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES. 
          UM, IT IS IN THE OPINIONS OF A DRIVE ELECTRIC, UM, OHIO CLEAN FUELS, OHIO, AND, AND A DRIVER LIKE YOUR DAYTON, UM, THAT, UH, THOSE WITH, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND HYBRID VEHICLES ARE UNFAIRLY UNJUSTIFIED, UH, WITH THE GAS TAX INCREASE, UM, THAT, UH, WAS SEVERELY, UM, RAISED, UH, THEY ARE REQUESTING THE FEE LEVELS TO BE A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER YEAR, UH, FOR BVS $50 PER YEAR FOR P H EVS AND $0 PER YEAR FOR INTERNAL COMBUSTION HYBRIDS. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, BRING THIS UP FAD TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UM, AND FORMULATE A RESOLUTION, UM, UH, THROUGH A DISCUSSION THROUGH THIS COUNCIL, UM, TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          I KNOW SHE WAS THAT WHERE IF YOU JUST KEEP NOTE OF THAT FOR, UH, FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION, PLEASE, MR. LYONS, THANK YOU, UH, SCOTT WITH RECEIVING 50% OF 
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THE FEDERAL MONEY THIS YEAR AND 50% OF THE MONEY NEXT YEAR. 
          IS THERE, UH, ARE YOU AWARE, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO THAT THIS EXPENDITURE OF THAT MONEY AND CERTAINLY IN THE PROCESS? SO I WOULDN'T EXPECT NECESSARILY YOU TO KNOW ALREADY, BUT I'M JUST ASKING, UM, W WE ARE HEARING THAT THERE WILL BE RESTRICTIONS, UM, THAT IT JUST CAN'T BE USED FOR ANYTHING. 
          UH, WE ARE STILL GETTING THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW, AS I MENTIONED, LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THERE'S GOING TO BE CATEGORIES THAT IT CAN BE USED FOR, UH, POTENTIALLY TO TRY TO HELP SMALL BUSINESSES AFFECTED BY COVID THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SO WE ARE GATHERING ALL THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT OF FRAMEWORKS. 
          YOU CAN START THINKING ABOUT IT AHEAD OF TIME WHEN YOU GET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, SCOTT. 
          THAT IS INCREDIBLE NEWS. 
          THANK YOU, JOHN. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. FALKOWSKI LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE TAKING IT EASY ON YOU THIS FIRST TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP IS 
          [  Supplemental Appropriations]
ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS, MR. BELL, GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SEE A GYM. 
          I WILL BE ATTENDING WELL OVER THE PHONE, UH, WEBINAR, UH, OML IS PUTTING ON TO DISCUSS THE, UH, AMERICAN PLAN EVEN FURTHER ON THURSDAY, SO, OKAY, GREAT. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME MORE DETAILS. 
          SO I'VE JUST GOT SOME, UM, INITIAL NUMBERS ON THAT, BUT, UM, UH, HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR WHERE WE RECEIVED A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION AND, UH, THAT, UH, IT WAS CHALLENGING TO KEEP BRINGING LEGISLATION TO THE COUNCIL, BUT I THINK ANYTIME WE'RE GOING TO GET SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, IT'S WORTH BRINGING ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION AND, UH, ALL THE WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT. 
          SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, UH, TONIGHT I HAVE JUST ONE ITEM FOR YOU FOR THE SUPPLEMENTAL, WHICH WAS IN YOUR PACKET. 
          UH, SO YOU'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER IT. 
          AND IT'S RELATED TO THE OHIO EPA MANDATED WELL FIELD STUDY, WHICH IS ALSO ON THE AGENDA FOR LATER TONIGHT AND HAS ALSO BEEN DISCUSSED BY MR. BERGMAN, I BELIEVE IN THE LAST WORK SESSION. 
          SO, UH, I ASKED HIM, UH, FOR AN ESTIMATE OF, UH, ALL COSTS INVOLVED WITH THAT STUDY AND HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS $100,000, UH, TO HANDLE ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          AND SO I AM BRINGING THAT TO YOU TONIGHT, UH, TO, UH, APPROVE AND, UH, BASED ON HIS TIMELINE, I BELIEVE HE DOES. 
          HE WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE APPROVED MONDAY NIGHT, UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE A THREE WEEK BREAK BETWEEN THIS MEETING AND THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, I DON'T THINK IS TILL THE SECOND MONDAY IN APRIL. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A THREE WEEK DELAY FURTHER. 
          SO, UM, YOU CAN BRING THAT UP WITH HIM LATER AS, UH, WHEN HE'S ON THE AGENDA LATER TONIGHT TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU NEED TO SUSPEND THE ONE READING AND HAVE BOTH READINGS ON MONDAY NIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, JIM. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BELL REGARDING, UH, THAT SUPPLEMENTAL FOR THE EPA? OKAY. 
          WE'LL MOVE THAT ON TO THE, UH, TO THE COUNCIL MEETING FOR MONDAY. 
          NEXT 
          [   Medic - Capital Lease - Fire Division]
UP IS ITEM THREE D WHICH IS THE MEDIC CAPITOL EAST THROUGH THE FIRE DIVISION. 
          YES, THAT IS, UH, ONE OF MY ITEMS ALSO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, GREAT NEWS FOR YOU. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, UM, UM, WHEN WE DO COME AND PURCHASE MEDICS, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT A FIVE-YEAR LEASE. 
          UH, WE DID ONE IN 2017, UH, ALSO ONE IN 2018, AND THERE'LL BE THIS ONE AND, UH, ANOTHER ONE, UH, DUE IN 2022. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU ADVANCE NOTICE OF THAT, BUT I'M VERY HAPPY TO SAY THAT, UH, THE, UH, THE BEST QUOTE I GOT, UH, WHEN I SENT OUT THE, UM, UH, TO THE DIFFERENT FINANCIAL COMPANIES AND BANKS THAT HAVE APPROACHED ME FROM TIME TO TIME AND SAID, HEY, WHENEVER THERE'S A BID OUT, PLEASE SEND ONE TO ME. 
          SO I DID THAT, AND THE BEST RATE WAS 1.2, 5%, WHICH IS A FULL 1% LOWER THAN THE MEDIC FROM 2018. 
          SO I WAS VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THE TOTAL INTEREST ON THIS IS ONLY GOING TO BE $8,000. 
          SO IT'S A TASTE TO PUT THAT OUT TO AS YOU, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT MAKING A WHOLE LOT ON OUR INVESTMENT INCOME RIGHT NOW, IT'S UNDER 1% ON THE PORTFOLIO, BUT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ON THE OTHER SIDE, GET DEBT AT A VERY LOW COST IS, UH, TO OUR ADVANTAGE. 
          SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO BRING THAT TO YOU. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE LOWEST DEBT PROPOSAL I'VE EVER BROUGHT TO, TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS AND, UM, THE, UH, THE DATA, THE DATE THAT'S EXPECTED FOR THE MEDIC TO BE DELIVERED, UH, UH, PRESENTLY IS APRIL 16TH. 
          SO THE DATE OF THIS, UM, UH, THE LEASE AGREEMENT IS TO BE, UH, THE FUNDS WOULD BE DELIVERED TO THE CITY. 
          APRIL ONE WOULD GO INTO AN ESCROW ACCOUNT AND BE HELD THERE UNTIL THE DELIVERY OF THE MEDIC. 
          AND, UH, AS YOU KNOW, MEDICS COULD BE DELIVERED ON TIME. 
          IT COULD BE A WEEKLY, IT COULD BE A WEEK EARLY. 
          SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS WORKING WITH, 
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UH, KEITH NICELY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, UH, IT IS, UM, COUNSEL ACTS ON THIS BEFORE. 
          AND, UH, IN TIME FOR THE DELIVERY OF THAT VEHICLE, ARE YOU REQUESTING A WAVING IN THE SECOND READING OR, UH, I BELIEVE THIS, IS THIS AN ORDER JUST GOING TO BE A RESOLUTION ORDINANCE? IT'S AN ORDINANCE. 
          YES. 
          SO I WOULD ASK THAT IT BE APPROVED ON MONDAY NIGHT. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          IT'S ALSO AN EMERGENCY LEGISLATION. 
          YES, YES. 
          SO IT GOES INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY INSTEAD OF A 30 DAY. 
          WAIT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MR. ROGERS WILL PREPARE THAT FOR US. 
          ANY QUESTIONS, UM, REGARDING THIS, UH, FINDING FOR THE MEDIC OTHER THAN CRAZY GOOD RATE. 
          AND IF I COULD MAKE AN ADDITIONAL STATEMENT, ONE THING I FORGOT TO MENTION WAS, UM, I WOULD NORMALLY GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK AT THIS TWICE, BUT WITH BANKS, THEY WANT TO GIVE A VERY FINITE TIME WHEN THAT RATE IS GOOD. 
          AND SO I ACTUALLY HAD ONE BANK TURNED ME DOWN BECAUSE THEY SAID, UH, HAVING A RATE EFFECTIVE FOUR, BY THE TIME I WAS ASKING FOR IT, IT WOULD BE ABOUT SIX WEEKS TIME PERIOD. 
          AND THEY SAID, UM, THAT'S TOO LONG TO HOLD A RATE, EVEN IN THIS LOW RATE ENVIRONMENT THAT WAS TOO LONG FOR THEM TO HOLD IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I DID HAVE ONE, UH, DECLINE ON THIS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO COME AND PASS AS AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF THE SENSITIVITY OF THE RATE. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE LAST TIME. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UH, PERSONAL BILL, MR. LYONS? YES. 
          THANK YOU, JIM. 
          UH, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE'RE NOT PURCHASING OUTRIGHT INSTEAD OF LEASING? WELL, IT CERTAINLY IS, UH, UM, HAS BEEN OUR POLICY AND, UH, IN WORKING WITH OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER BRAND TCHAIKOVSKY, UM, WE'VE, UH, LIKED TO TAKE AS MANY CAPITAL ITEMS THAT ARE ABLE TO BE, UM, UH, FINANCED OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT AND, UH, AND ENCOURAGING THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT HEADS TO LOOK INTO THAT, UH, AS A WAY OF NOT HITTING THE BUDGET AT ONE TIME, THIS WOULD BE ABOUT A $255,000 HIT TO THE BUDGET IN ONE YEAR. 
          UM, AND LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR HAVING ANOTHER ONE RIGHT BEHIND THIS, IT DOES MAKE MORE SENSE TO SPREAD THAT OUT OVER FIVE YEARS. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU ALL TO APPROVE MONDAY NIGHT AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, JIM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO NO MORE QUESTIONS. 
          [  2021 Street Program - Award Contracts]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE E, WHICH IS THE 2021 STREET PROGRAM AND AWARDING THOSE CONTRACTS, MR. BERGMAN. 
          UH, YES, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. 
          UH, THIS LEGISLATION IS FOR THE 2021 STREET PROGRAM. 
          UH, WE DID BID THIS OUT AND, UH, WE HAD, UH, TWO SECTIONS INVOLVED IN THE BIDDING, UH, SECTION A WAS FOR MILLING AND PAVING OF 16 STREETS WITHIN THE CITY, UH, SCATTERED AROUND THE CITY. 
          UH, I THINK THERE'S A MAP STILL IN YOUR PACKET. 
          YOU CAN LOOK AND LOOK AT THAT IF YOU NEED TO, UH, SOME OF THE MAJOR STREETS WE'RE DOING ARE PORTIONS OF IS KITTREDGE FISHBURG LONGFORD AND POWELL. 
          UH, THERE WERE TWO BIDDERS IN SECTION A, WHICH WAS BARRETT PAVING AND JOHN R JERGENSON. 
          AND THESE ARE THE TWO COMPANIES, LARGER PAVING COMPANIES THAT DO ONLY ONES THAT BID ON THESE PROJECTS FOR, UH, FOR MAJOR CITIES AND, UH, THE LOWEST AND BEST FOR THIS SECTION WAS BARRETT PAVING AT $1,103,104. 
          UH, SO WE'D LIKE TO AWARD THE PROJECT TO THEM. 
          UH, JOHN R JERGENSON DID COME IN ABOUT 8,000 MORE, SO THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE. 
          AND THAT'S USUALLY HOW IT IS EVERY YEAR. 
          UH, SECTION B WAS FOR APPLYING RE-ACCLIMATE TO FEW OF THE STREETS WE, UH, CALLED, UH, SAX AND MINOR STREETS. 
          WE HAVE A, THIS IS LIKE AN ADDITIVE OR SPRAY ON WE PUT ON AFTERWARDS AND IT BINDS THE ASPHALT IN MOST STREETS. 
          WE'VE NOTICED LAST, AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS LONGER IF WE USE THE RIGHT COLUMN LINE. 
          UM, THE ONLY BIDDER ON THAT WAS PAYMENT TECHNOLOGIES AND THE BID PRICE OF $20,580 AND 40 CENTS. 
          WE'D LIKE TO AWARD THAT TO THEM. 
          UH, AND THE LAST THING IS, UH, PART OF THE LEGISLATION IS FOR BOWZER MOURNERS TO DO, UH, UM, INSPECTIONAL SERVICES ON THE PAVING. 
          AND THAT'S 15,000. 
          AND WE DO THAT EVERY YEAR WITH THE PROGRAM. 
          THEY INSPECT THE ASPHALT AS THEY'RE PUTTING IT DOWN. 
          UM, THIS PROGRAM IS FUNDED THROUGH THE DEDICATED STREET CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THESE AWARDED AS SOON AS WE COULD. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BERGMAN. 
          YES. 
          MS. BAKER, DO WE KNOW IF THEY'RE MY NAUGHTY OWNED COMPANIES? UH, I, I BELIEVE THEY'VE NOT, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          NOT THESE TWO, SO ONLY TWO COMPANIES APPLIED AND NEITHER MINORITY AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS EVERY YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY ARE NOW FAVORITE PAVING. 
          AND JOHN JORGENSEN IS THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE BEEN ON THESE PROJECTS. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BERGMAN. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL MOVE THAT ONTO 
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MONDAY'S MEETING. 
          [  2021 Sidewalk Program and the Concrete Portion of the 2021 Street Program]
AND NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE F WHICH IS THE 2021 SIDEWALK PROGRAM AND THE CONCRETE PORTION OF THE 2021 STREET PROGRAM. 
          YES. 
          THIS, UH, THE SPITTING ON THIS PROJECT, UH, IS, WAS IN THREE SECTIONS. 
          AND, UH, THE FIRST SECTION WAS THE, UH, FOR THE REPLACING OF SIDEWALKS AND DRIVE APPROACHES IN THE AREAS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED, UH, LAST YEAR. 
          UM, AND THIS COVERS SIDEWALKS THAT PEOPLE DID NOT REPLACE THEMSELVES. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S A MAP ALSO ENCLOSED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          UH, THERE WERE FOUR BIDDERS ON THIS SECTION, THE LOWEST INVEST BITTER WAS MULTITASK CONSTRUCTION WITH A BIT OF $106,422. 
          A MULTITASK HAS DONE WORK IN THE CITY BEFORE MANY TIMES, AND THEY HAVE DONE THIS PROGRAM BEFORE. 
          SO THEY ARE A GOOD CONTRACTOR. 
          UH, THE SECTION B WAS FOR LEVELING THEM, SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS WHERE, UH, THE SIDEWALKS ARE STILL IN GOOD SHAPE, BUT THEY, UH, SOME HAVE TRIP HAZARDS. 
          UM, WE USE THIS COMPANY AWAN, LEVELING. 
          UH, THEY'VE BEEN ON THIS EVERY YEAR. 
          IT'S A BIT OF $22,925 TO DO THAT. 
          UH, THEY INJECT IT AND THEN LEVEL IT, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE IT. 
          SO, AND THEN SECTION C IS THE CURVE REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, THERE WERE THREE BIDDERS ON THIS MULTITASK WAS AGAIN THE LOWEST AND BEST BIDDER AT $758,855. 
          UH, THAT IS ALL CURVED REPLACEMENT THAT WE DO TYPICALLY IN THE SUMMERTIME. 
          UH, AND IT'S USUALLY ON THE STREETS THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE STREET PROGRAM BEFORE WE PAVE. 
          SO WHEN, ONCE IN AWHILE WE DO A FEW OTHER STREETS. 
          IF WE HAVE SOME LEFTOVER MONEY THERE, WE'LL REPLACE SOME CURVES ON SOME OTHER STREETS. 
          UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO AWARD THIS, UH, SOON AS WE COULD THAT ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BERGMAN ON THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM? THE CONCRETE PORTION? YES. 
          MS. BAKER, SAME QUESTION. 
          CAN WE KNOW THAT? I'M ALMOST SURE THEY'RE NOT MULTITASK IS NOT, I'M SURE THAT'S TRUE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          I'LL MOVE THIS ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING AS WELL. 
          [  Wellfield Study - Award Contracts]
NEXT UP AS I AM 3G, WHICH IS THE WESTFIELD STUDY AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT, I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT MR. BELL WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER FOR THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THIS LEGISLATION WILL ALLOW US TO HIRE WOOD, ENVIRONMENTAL TO PERFORM A WELD TEST AND A REPORT IN ORDER TO EVALUATE WELL, NUMBER SIX AT THE RIP RAP ROAD, UH, WATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A LITTLE TIME AND GO THROUGH TO LET YOU KNOW HOW THIS ALL CAME ABOUT. 
          I DON'T MIND, UH, WELL NUMBER SIX WAS INSTALLED LAST YEAR AS PART OF THE WATER SOFTENING PRO UH, PROJECT. 
          SO IT'S A BRAND NEW WELL IN LATE JULY. 
          UM, THE WELL HAD NOT BEEN APPROVED BY EPA YET. 
          AND WE HAD KIND OF HAD AN EMERGENCY SITUATION DOWN AT THE PLANT WHERE WE, UH, TWO OF THE WELLS HAD GONE DOWN. 
          SO WE NEEDED TO START UP THIS NEW WELL. 
          UM, SO I CONTACTED EPA AND ASKED THEM IF WE COULD GET A RUSH ON PROVING IT A SENTENCE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND THEY CAME BACK AND GAVE US AN APPROVAL LETTER THE NEXT DAY. 
          BUT WITHIN THAT APPROVAL LETTER, IT DID STATE THAT WE HAD TO DO A TEST ON THAT. 
          WELL, BECAUSE PREVIOUS WELL LOGS THEY SUBMITTED WHEN THEY FIRST PUT THE WELL IN SHOW THAT IT AFFECTED, I THINK, WELL, NUMBER THREE, OUT IN FEW FIELD. 
          SO SOMEHOW IT'S, AS THEY'RE PUMPING, IT AFFECTED THE OTHER WELLS AND THEY WANTED A FULL STUDY ON THAT WEALTH TO MAKE SURE THAT HOW MUCH IT, THE OTHER WELLS, UH, AND AT THE TIME OF THAT HAPPENED, WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE STUDY AND THE COST. 
          SO, UM, SO WE DID START THE NEW WELL, AND WE GOT THROUGH THAT PROBLEM, BUT I THEN CONTACTED WOOD, ENVIRONMENTAL, JUST GIVE US A PROPOSAL TO DO THE STUDY. 
          UM, THEY CAME BACK, WELL, THE REASON I CALLED THEM WAS BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS YEAR THEY JUST SOURCE WATER ACTION PLAN FOR US, FOR EPA. 
          IT WAS A REQUIRED STUDY FOR THEM AT THAT TIME. 
          WELL, THEY ANALYZE THE WHOLE WELL FIELD AND THE AQUIFER FIRST, AND THEY DO A MODELING OUT THERE AND DO EVERYTHING. 
          SO THEY'RE KIND OF VERY FAMILIAR WITH OUR WORLD FIELD. 
          UM, THING IS THE FIRST PROPOSAL CAME BACK VERY HIGH AND OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, IT WAS ALMOST $120,000. 
          SO SCOTT AND I HAD, I THINK, ONE CONFERENCE CALL WITH EPI OUT OF A FEW OF THEM, UH, TO TRY TO BRING THAT COST DOWN AND, UM, USING THE PROPOSAL, I BROUGHT IT TO EPA AND HAD THEM ANALYZE IT TO FIND OUT WHAT REALLY NEEDED DONE. 
          AND THERE WERE A FEW THINGS IN THAT PROPOSAL WHERE THEY DID A CO HAD A COUPLE OF EXTRA, THE MONITORING WELLS INSTALLED TO DO EXTRA, UH, TESTING, TO SEE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE WELL FIELD TO SEE. 
          BUT EPA DID SAY WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT PART OF IT. 
          SO NOW WE'RE JUST ANALYZING EVERY WELL ITSELF. 
          AND WE HAVE TO PUT EQUIPMENT OUT THERE, TRANSDUCERS, I GUESS, ON THE WEALTH AND TO KNOW WHAT THE WATER LEVELS ARE WHILE WE DO THE TEST. 
          SO THAT BROUGHT IT DOWN TO ABOUT 70 2005, A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO DO THE TEST. 
          UM, AND AS PART OF THAT TEST, THE NEW WELL HAS TO BE PUMPED NONSTOP AT TOP 
          [00:55:01]
CAPACITY FOR 72 HOURS FIRST TO SEE HOW MUCH IT AFFECTS THE OTHER WELLS. 
          SO THEY TURN IT ON HIGHEST CAPACITY. 
          AND, AND AT FIRST WE WERE GOING TO JUST WASTE THE WATER, DUMP IT ONTO THE GROUND, RIGHT. 
          BUT THERE WERE PROBLEMS, BUT THE PROBLEM WAS EPA. 
          WON'T BE ALLOWED ME TO DO THAT. 
          THEY SAY IT'LL AFFECT THE OTHER WELLS BY THE INFILTRATION THAT WATER AT THOSE WELLS. 
          SO THEN I, I HAD TO LOOK AT A COMPANY THAT DID THE INSTALLED THE WELLS, WHICH WAS A, I BELIEVE NATIONAL WATER. 
          AND, UM, I ASKED THEM IF THERE WAS ANY WAY TO REDIRECT THAT WATER AND WE CAN GET IT, WE CAN GET A HOSE FROM THEM. 
          BASICALLY IT'S GOT A 12 INCH, EITHER HOSE OR PIPE, 500 FEET, TWO RIPRAP ROAD AND DUMPING IT INTO THE RIVER. 
          SO THAT'LL PREVENT THE INFILTRATION. 
          SO THAT CAME AT LIKE $15,000 TO HAVE THEM COME OUT AND PUT THAT HOSE AND INSTALL IT. 
          THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S NO WAY TO GO UNDER THE, THE RODE WITH THAT HOSE. 
          WE HAVE TO LAY IT ON TOP OF THE ROAD, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CLOSE THE ROAD. 
          AND, UH, I'D PROBABLY PUT IT INSIDE THE GATES THAT ARE DOWN NEAR THE FLOOD GATES, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE KIDS AND EVERYTHING KEEP PEOPLE FROM HITTING IT OR RUNNING OVER, BUT THAT'LL BE PROBABLY FOUR DAYS OF ROAD CLOSURE. 
          CAUSE IT'S A THREE-DAY TEST. 
          IT'S NONSTOP. 
          SO, UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IT. 
          UM, OH, GO AHEAD. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? UH, SO THAT'S SO 72 PLUS 15. 
          SO YEAH, IT'S ABOUT 90,000 IN SIZE WITH ASKING FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN CASE THERE'S ANY EXTRA. 
          UM, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO DO THIS IN APRIL OR MAY. 
          THEY DO HAVE LIKE 90 DAY DEADLINES AND AS WE'RE WORKING ON IT, THEY'RE OKAY WITH US EXTENDING THOSE DEADLINES. 
          AS LONG AS I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON THIS. 
          SO IT'S TAKEN A LITTLE WHILE TO GET PR YOU KNOW, TO GET THE PROPOSAL AND EVERYTHING ALL LINED UP. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT. 
          AND I THINK JERRY DID, UH, LOOK AT THEIR, UH, APPROVAL LETTER AND TO FIND OUT FOR SURE WHETHER, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS A REQUIRED TEST AND IT SOUNDS AS IF IT'S A REQUIRED TEST, SO, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I REMEMBER WE WOULD, UH, HAD ASKED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS SOMETHING WE COULD LEGALLY HAVE MADE TO DO SO, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S FRICKING HUSKY. 
          ANOTHER POSITIVE THAT COMES OUT OF THIS IS WE ARE A GROWING CITY AND EXTREMELY HAPPY ABOUT THAT, THAT WE ANTICIPATE ADDING MORE WELLS IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND THIS IS CREATING DATA THAT GOES TOWARDS THE NEXT ONES THAT WELL, AS WELL AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND EXPANDING OUR WELFARE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          THANK YOU, RUSS. 
          ANY, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE, YES. 
          UM, JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. 
          SO WE TAKE IT OUT OF THE, WELL, NUMBER SIX, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THERE SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT PIPE, THE 12 INCH PIPE, IS THERE A NATURAL LANDFALL THAT WILL TAKE IT TO THE RIVER? IF SOMETHING, YEAH, IT WILL FLOW THROUGH A WOODED AREA TO REPREP ROAD. 
          AND IF NOT, IF WE THERE'S A CHANCE, MOST OF IT WILL GO THAT WAY ANYWAYS, BUT SOME OF IT COULD GO DOWN INTO THE WELL FIELD, BUT IT COULD PROBABLY FLOOD THE ROAD IF WE DIDN'T CLOSE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE GOING WITH OVER THE ROAD WITH THE HOSE TO GET IT INTO THE RIVER. 
          HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF GALLONS WAS IT THAT WE HAVE TO SEND INTO THE RIVER? UH, FOR THREE DAYS THAT WE BOUGHT 12 MILLION USE ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION TO 4 MILLION A DAY FOR THE USE OF THE CITY. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BERGMAN, MR. WEBB? NO QUESTION ROSS. 
          I, UH, I'M LOOKING AT OVER HIM. 
          GREAT JOB. 
          I MEAN, HONESTLY, A LOT OF WORK ON THIS KNOW GREAT JOB, ESPECIALLY WORKING WITH THE EPA TO GET THE COSTS DOWN. 
          SO YEAH, WE, WE FIRST GOT THE FIRST PROPOSAL WHEN WE WERE RATHER SHOCKED. 
          IT WAS LIKE, WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT I, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT IT, I THOUGHT IT'D BE A 10 TO $20,000 STUDY, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT INVOLVED THAT MUCH TESTING A GOOD TO GO WITH IT. 
          SO, SO LUCKILY WE WERE ABLE TO BRING IT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WEBB. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE THIS. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          YOUR SHELF. 
          NOPE. 
          YOUR FLAGSHIP FLIGHT INS YOUR HANDCUFFS, THE FLIGHT. 
          NOT THAT ONE. 
          IT WAS GOOD. 
          YES. 
          DO THAT, DO THAT NEXT TIME. 
          UM, RUSS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. 
          UM, I WAS A BIT TAKEN BACK, UH, WHEN I FIRST HEARD THIS ISSUE, UM, 12 MILLION GALLONS THAT SEEMS LIKE QUITE A BIT. 
          THEN YOU EXPLAINED WHAT WE IN THE CITY USE HERE. 
          IT IS STILL QUITE A BIT. 
          UM, BUT I DO FIND IT, UH, UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, UH, RECOUP SOME YEAH. 
          TO USE THE WATER SOMEWHERE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S QUITE UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WATER, THAT'S GOING INTO THE RIVER, WHICH CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. 
          THE EPA HAD AN ISSUE WITH PUTTING WATER INTO THE RIVER AND WHEN WE GOT THE SALT WATER, SALT AND CRAIG, SO YEAH. 
          WOW. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 
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THE ROAD CLOSING BEING DONE FOR FOR FOUR DAYS, UM, I ASSUME PRIOR TO THAT, UM, UH, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO WORK, UM, UH, WITH SCOTT, UH, WE'LL GET SOME NOTIFICATIONS PUT UP SIGNS. 
          UM, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT WE PUT THOSE WAY UP ON THAT CURVE BEFORE THEY GET AROUND THERE. 
          UM, AND, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DO ANY TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, SIGNALING LIGHTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT NIGHT TIME. 
          UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO USE THAT ROAD AS WELL, BUT THE STREET DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE BARRICADES WITH LIGHTS AND THEY USUALLY PUT ONE UP AT, UH, UH, SHOOT BRIDGEWATER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'D BE ONE WAY BACK PROBABLY BY A LITTLE YORK TELLING THEM IT'S CLOSED. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, AND, AND AGAIN, I, I, JERRY, I THINK YOU DID SOME, UH, LEGWORK INTO THE EPA ON, UH, UM, I THINK MY COMMENTS WERE TO GO PACK SAND ON THIS INITIAL A STATEMENT AND YOU CAME BACK AND REVIEWED THIS AND SAID, WE GOT TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY GAVE US THE INITIAL GREEN LIGHT IN JULY. 
          UM, BUT, UH, REALLY DIDN'T GIVE US THE STICKER SHOCK UNTIL LATER. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, DO YOU THINK OUR DECISION WOULD HAVE BEEN ANY DIFFERENT IN JULY? HAD WE GOT THE STICKER SHOCK THEN, AND TODAY NOW IF WE KNEW HOW MUCH IT WAS. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T THINK WE COULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING AT THE MOMENT THAT HAPPENED. 
          IT WAS LIKE A THURSDAY AND I WAS TOLD A SECOND ONE, WELL WAS DOWN AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SIX WEEKS TO FIX AND A SECOND ONE DOWN AND WE WEREN'T, WE WERE BARELY KEEPING UP WITH PRODUCING ENOUGH WATER FOR THE CITY. 
          SO THAT WAS REALLY, WASN'T A CHOICE AT THE TIME IF I HAD KNOWN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD'VE DONE DIFFERENT. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I HAD TO GET THE GOING, SO I JUST HAD TO AGREE TO THE STUDY TO GET IT GOING. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. 
          I'M NOT SEEING THEM. 
          UH, SO WE WILL MOVE THAT ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING AS WELL. 
          NEXT 
          [  Southpointe Crossing - DogTown Development Agreement]
UP IS ITEM THREE H WHICH IS A SUB POINT CROSSING DOGTOWN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          MR. PETOSKEY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT'S, UH, BASED ON ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS TO HAPPEN DOWN AT THE SOUTH CROSSING AREA. 
          UM, DOGTOWN HAS PURCHASED THE BUSINESS OF SIX DAY IN PLAY. 
          UH, SO THE EXISTING SIT STAY IN PLAY BUILDING THAT IS CURRENTLY, THERE IS NOW OWNED BY DOGTOWN AND THEY ARE WISHING TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH BUILDING A NEW BUILDING DOWN THERE. 
          UM, AS PART OF OUR PLANS, OUR OVERALL PLANS IS TO COMPLETELY, UH, DEPAUL, ALL OF THOSE AND THAT BUILDING THAT THEY'RE IN RIGHT NOW IS PART OF THAT, THAT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TO RAISE. 
          SO THEY ARE INTERESTED IN A PORT, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, THE OLD CR DATE AND BUILDING THAT BACK PIECE, WE'LL CALL IT THE LITTLE L THAT GOES BACK THAT DOES NOT FACE BRAND PIKE, THAT, UH, THEY ARE LOOKING TO BUILD A NEW 5,000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY THAT IS, UH, LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT PIECE, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO BE REMODELING. 
          UH, SO I'M IN AGREEMENT MOVE FORWARD. 
          THAT SETS UP THE PROCESS OF MAKING THIS HAPPEN. 
          UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS. 
          SO OVER THE PAST, UH, UH, PROBABLY, UH, FIVE, SIX MONTHS, UH, PURCHASE ONE ACRE OF LAND, UH, THAT IS LOCATED BEHIND, UM, THAT'S WOULD BE FOR $1. 
          THIS WOULD BE, UH, TO JUMPSTART THE PROJECT. 
          UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY, UH, UM, WE WE'VE ALSO TALKED WITH, UH, THE LIBRARY AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR PLANS. 
          UM, SO THEIR PROJECT WOULD BE, UM, GIVE US LIKE THE MICROPHONE IS GOING IN AND OUT. 
          I WOULD SAY, I THINK WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE YOU START PRAYING AROUND SCOTT WITH THERE IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UH, WITH THIS, UH, WE WOULD SET, UH, SOME TIMEFRAMES ON WHEN THEY WOULD START CONSTRUCTION AND WHEN THEY WOULD NEED TO BE COMPLETED WITH CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO THE GOAL IS TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF 2022, AND TO BE OPEN FOR BUSINESS, UM, IN THIS, UH, THE, UH, WHAT THE CITY AT THE REQUEST FOR THE CITY TO AGREE TO IS 
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TO ALSO, UH, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH A TIF DISTRICT ON THIS, UH, AREA. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S PART OF THIS CONSTRUCTION WOULD PUT SOME MORE MONEY INTO THE AREA FOR, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND AS ALSO PART OF THIS, THEY DO HAVE AN EXISTING LEASE WITH THE CITY. 
          UM, SO AS WE OWN THE OLD SIT, STAY IN PLAY BUILDING, THEY ARE PAYING RENT AT THAT. 
          SO THEY WILL CONTINUE DOING THAT UNTIL THIS NEW FACILITY IS COMPLETE. 
          UM, THEIR, UH, UH, REQUEST IS THAT IT DOES GET REDUCED PARTWAY THROUGH AS THEY'RE BUILDING. 
          AND THEN AT THE END OF THE PROJECT, IF THEY MEET ALL THE GUIDELINES OF MEETING THEIR DEADLINES OF CREATING THIS, UH, BUILDING AND, UM, THOSE THINGS, THEN THERE IS A REQUEST FOR A, UH, A FINAL GRANT OF $50,000 BACK TO THEM AT THE END OF THAT, IF THEY MEET ALL THESE GUIDELINES. 
          SO, SO IF THEY FINISH TIMELY. 
          SO, UM, THAT IT IS, IS THAT REQUEST FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT WE ARE BRINGING TO CITY COUNTY. 
          AWESOME. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING YOU HAD LOTS OF WORK IN PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. 
          IS THERE ANY EXTRA COMMENTS OR ANYTHING YOU WOULD WANT TO ADDRESS IN THIS BEING THAT YOU WORKED ON THIS AGREEMENT? UM, UH, WELL, A LOT OF THIS WAS, UM, AN OUTCOME OF THE SIT, STAY IN PLAY AGREEMENT, WONDER TO PURCHASE, SIT, STAY IN PLAY. 
          WE HAD TO GET INTO A LETTER OF INTENT THAT SAID WE WOULD WORK IN GOOD FAITH UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. 
          SO THIS AGREEMENT IS NOT A REALLY SUPER FAVORABLE AGREEMENT TO THE CITY BY ALL MEANS, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE, PART OF THE DEAL WITH, UH, TO GET THE SIT-STAND PLATE TO COMPLETE THAT WHOLE PROJECT. 
          UM, GOOD NEWS. 
          WELL, I THINK SCOTT, UH, PRETTY MUCH SAID EVERYTHING. 
          WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO WITH THEM IS KEEP THEM TO A SCHEDULE. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE AN OPTION TO PURCHASE IF THEY FAILED TO START WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD. 
          UM, IF THEY DON'T START CONSTRUCTION BY DECEMBER 31ST TO 2001, WE BUY THE PROPERTY BACK. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT COMPLETED BY DECEMBER, 2022, WE BUY THE PROPERTY BACK FOR A DOLLAR. 
          SO THEY, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAN HAVE THIS PROPERTY AND PARDON THE PUN AND SIT AND STAY IN PLAY. 
          THEY HAVE TO KEEP ON MOVING. 
          UM, THE RENT IS APPROXIMATELY $4,000. 
          UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF NEGOTIATION THEY WANTED THAT REDUCED THAT RENT IS HIGH FOR THIS AREA. 
          AND PART OF THE REASON THAT IT COULD BE HIGH IS BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS TENANT AND THAT'S THE RENT WE TOOK WAS FROM THE PREVIOUS LEASE, WAS PAYING HIMSELF. 
          HE OWNED THE COMPANY, OWNED THE BUSINESS. 
          HE WAS JUST PUTTING THE MONEY IN THERE. 
          WE KEPT THAT SAME RENT. 
          AND SO THE NEW TENANTS ARE SAYING, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE HIGH. 
          WE AGREED TO THAT. 
          WE WOULD DROP IT DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          ONCE THEY STARTED CONSTRUCTION, THEY WANTED IT TO BE DROPPED FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, UM, STAFF, ESPECIALLY MR. CHIP HOUSEKEEPERS, THEY WERE ADAMANT NO FOR ONE YEAR. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE AGREEMENT WAS, AND THAT WILL KEEP THE FEET TO THE FIRE. 
          AND SO THAT'S HOW THIS IS, RIGHT. 
          UM, THIS IS FOR COUNCIL TO REVIEW. 
          I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN GET IT PASSED ON MONDAY, LOOK FOR A RESOLUTION TO GET IT PASSED ON MONDAY. 
          SO WE CAN START THE CLOCK TICKING AND YOU START GETTING THINGS OUT OF THE GROUND. 
          AND, UM, THIS, THIS DOES BUILD INTO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING. 
          THEY OBVIOUSLY CAN'T START UNTIL THEY TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING, BUT THIS STARTS THE CLOCK ON THEM GIVING US THEIR BUDGETS. 
          AND WE CAN DO THE ANALYSIS AND START DOING OTHER THINGS. 
          SCOTT, WHAT D WHAT KIND OF, WHAT IS OUR PROJECTED TIMELINE ON DEMOLITION OF THAT BACK PIECE OF THAT PROPERTY? UM, THAT BACK PEOPLE, THE FIRST PART OF THE MARION MEADOWS, UM, IS GOING TO START WITH HERE WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH, THIS PIECE, UM, WE HAD TRIED TO SCHEDULE AT THE SAME TIME. 
          THERE IS A WATER RISER THAT COMES IN FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT, THAT GOES TOWARDS THE FRONT THAT, UH, CREATED THE ISSUE OF TEARING THAT DOWN UNTIL THAT HAD BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. 
          SO WE HAVE RECEIVED, UH, THE, UM, CALCULATIONS AND THE INFORMATION FROM THE ARCHITECT ON THAT TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE THAT. 
          SO THAT WILL FALL JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEHIND, UH, THE, THE REST OF MARION MEADOWS WITH THAT, UH, DEMOLITION IN THE NEXT FOUR TO SIX WEEKS. 
          WE'D SEE SOME, OKAY. 
          YOU'LL SEE MOVEMENT ON THAT. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          I MEAN, THOSE ARE, I MEAN, THAT'S A VERY, I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT LOOKING BUILDING FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR A PLACE TO LEAVE YOUR DOGS OVERNIGHT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S IT, UM, ONE OTHER PART THAT'S IN HERE THERE'S AN EXISTING CRA IN THAT AREA THAT THEY WOULD 
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BE REQUESTING, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THAT, UM, I MEAN, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS GREAT AND WE CONSIDER WHAT THE AGE AND KIND OF THE SHAPE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT'S IN THAT ENTIRE AREA UP THERE AT BRANDT AND FITCHBURG. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT START TO LOOK OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW BUILDING UP IN THAT AREA. 
          AND I GUESS LET'S IT. 
          I BELIEVE MY QUESTIONS PRETTY WELL BEEN ANSWERED, BUT I JUST WANT TO VERIFY, BECAUSE WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THIS AS WELL, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GREAT DEAL FOR US, BUT I THINK YOU KIND OF EXPLAINED THAT, UH, THIS SOUNDS LIKE THIS WAS PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY WAY WE COULD PUT OUR ARMS AROUND THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE AND, AND HAVE THE ENTIRE AREA FOR OUR PROJECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY WERE GOING TO COME OFF OF THE SPACE THAT THEY ALREADY HAD RIGHT. 
          IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO. 
          THAT'S THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS A THREE-PARTY AGREEMENT BETWEEN OURSELVES SIT, STAY IN PLAY AND DOC YES. 
          I'D SAY PLAY AS THE NAME OF THE COMPANY AND THEN DOGTOWN THE NEW COMPANY. 
          AND SO THEN THEY CLOSED WITHOUT TALENT, UH, BEFORE WE GOT IT FINALIZED. 
          AND NOW IT'S JUST, UH, YEAH, SIT, STAY, AND PLAY CLOSE WITH DOGTOWN. 
          SO, YEAH, IT WAS A THREE-PARTY AGREEMENT WHEN IT FIRST STARTED AND YES, IT WAS TO GET THAT LAST PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, ESPECIALLY CAMPBELL SCOTT? UH, THERE'S AN INCENTIVE CLAUSE BUILT IN IF THEY FINISHED BY DECEMBER OF 2022? YES. 
          FOR A $50,000 GRANT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IN THAT AGREEMENT, THEY MUST START AT A SPECIFIC DATE. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S BY DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF THEY START BY DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, BUT DON'T FINISH BY DECEMBER OF 2022, THEY SIMPLY DON'T GET THE INCENTIVE, CORRECT? YES. 
          AND IS THERE IN THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, ANYTHING WRITTEN WHERE THEY'RE PENALIZED IF IT'S COMPLETED SOMETIME AFTER DECEMBER 20, 20, 22, AFTER IF IT'S NOT COMPLETED BY 2020, IF IT'S NOT COMPLETED BY DECEMBER 31ST, 20, 22, WE CAN BUY THE PROPERTY BACK FOR A DOLLAR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT IF THEY HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY DONE AND THEY DON'T HAVE AN OCCUPANCY PERMIT. 
          IS THAT DETAIL THE AGREEMENT? YES. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I CUT MYSELF OFF A LITTLE TOO, UNLESS THEY'RE WORKING IN GOOD FAITH AND THE DELAY OF CONSTRUCTION IS NOT THEIR FAULT. 
          THEIR CONCERN IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN, IN STRUCTURE IN THERE AND WE CAN BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR. 
          AND SO WE, WE BUILT IT THAT IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING GOOD THING, WHAT THE RENT GOES BACK UP AGAIN FROM THE DOLLAR TO 4,000, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          SO IF THEY DON'T FINISH BY DECEMBER OF 20, 22, THEY DON'T RECEIVE THE $50,000 INCENTIVE, BUT THERE COULD BE CONDITIONS WHERE WE DON'T BUY THE PROPERTY BACK. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          ONLY IF THEY'RE WORKING IN GOOD FAITH AND BY THAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BUILDINGS ON THE GROUND AND IT'S JUST, UH, PERMIT SOMETHING. 
          UM, WE, WE BUILT IN ENOUGH TIME TO THAT. 
          THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THIS BUILT IN TWO YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE RENT AGAIN CURRENTLY THE RENT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNT IS. 
          IT'S 4,000 SOMETHING, 40, 4,500. 
          THEY'RE PAYING THE RENT UNTIL THEY CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          ONCE THEY CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY, THE RENT OF BAITS DOWN TO $1 PER MONTH AND THAT LASTS FOR 12 MONTHS. 
          AND SO THEY HAVE 12 MONTHS BASICALLY TO FINISH AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PAYING RENT. 
          OTHERWISE THE RENT KICKS BACK. 
          AND YOU, YOU FOLKS SAID A DATE OF DECEMBER 20, 21. 
          IS THAT WHEN WE THINK THEY WILL CLOSE OR WOULD THEY CLOSE CENTER? NO, WE BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CLOSE, UH, JUNE 1ST. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF THEY CLOSED JUNE 1ST, WHERE DOES THE YEAR COME IN? IS IT JUST, THEY GET A YEARS, I THINK AT A YEAR'S FREE RENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WOULD KICK IN ON THAT DEADLINE OF THE INCENTIVE TO DECEMBER, 2022, THE OPTION. 
          YES. 
          SO SCOTT, IN REGARDS TO THE TIFF, WHAT WOULD COUNCIL NEED TO DO TO PAUSE THAT AREA TO BE TIFFED? UM, THERE ARE THE, THE SAME PROCESS AS WE DO THE OTHER TIP DISTRICTS THAT WE WILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THE FILINGS THAT WE WILL NEED TO GO THROUGH TO SET UP A TIF DISTRICT IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, SO WE'LL BE, UM, MR. CHUCK KOSKI AND, UH, MR. MCDONALD WILL BE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN MAKING THAT HAPPEN AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE PROPER SYMBOLS. 
          AND IS IT DIFFICULT TO DO THAT IS WHEN THE CR DATE IS RAISED 
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AND BEFORE THEY START CONSTRUCTION TO RESET THE VALUES? YES. 
          AND IS IT TOO EARLY FOR STAFF TO RECOMMEND A SCHOOL OR A NON-SCHOOL TIF? HAVE YOU PUT MUCH THOUGHT INTO THAT YET? I KNEW I WAS GOING TO GET BRIAN TO SPEAK, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NOT, THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US. 
          SO ONE IS GOING TO BE THE TIF AND THEN THERE IS THE CRA WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL WOULD CHOOSE TO NEGOTIATE A VALUE OTHER THAN THE ONE THAT IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT AVAILABLE. 
          WE DO HAVE A TENTATIVE SCHEDULE, UM, LAID OUT FOR THE TIF. 
          UM, AND THAT IS, UH, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE INTRODUCING LEGISLATION TO YOU COUNSEL ON JUNE 22ND IS WHEN WE ANTICIPATE THAT PROCESS BEGINNING. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK FOR, UM, COUNSEL TO MAKE THE SECOND AND FINAL READING ON OCTOBER 25TH. 
          SO THAT BUILDS US IN SOME EXTRA TIME IN CASE THAT PROCESS RUNS LONG FOR WHATEVER REASON, OR WE HAVE ANY, UH, NEGOTIATION ISSUES THAT COME ACROSS. 
          SO ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THEIR FULL BUDGET AND WE UNDERSTAND THEIR FULL TIME TEAM TABLE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THE ESTIMATES ON WHAT WE THINK IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE TIF PROCESS TO BRING FORWARD. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY DURING THAT PERIOD, YOU'D GIVE US ESTIMATE OF VALUES. 
          AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE A CRA ALONG WITH A TIP OR OKAY, CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. 
          IS A BIGGER ONE SIMPLE QUESTION. 
          SO THE CALENDAR STARTS DECEMBER 31ST OF 21 TO DECEMBER 31ST OF 22, CORRECT. 
          A WHOLE 365 DAYS, OR IS IT WHENEVER THEY START CONSTRUCTION IS A 365 DAY PERIOD. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY THOSE? I AM NOT REALLY SURE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, BUT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THEM CLOSING ON THE PROPERTY IN JUNE AND THEN THE RENT WILL STOP IN JUNE. 
          WE'LL GO DOWN TO A DOLLAR AND THAT WILL LAST FOR A YEAR. 
          MEANWHILE, THEY HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER 30, FIRST OF 2021 TO START CONSTRUCTION. 
          IF THEY SIT DOWN, NOTHING'S DONE, WE BUY THE PROPERTY BACK FOR A DOLLAR AND THERE WE'RE ALL DONE WITH, DO WE HAVE A DRAW SCHEDULE WITH THEM REHAB NOTHING YET, EXCEPT FOR THIS AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          COULD WE PUT A DRAW SCHEDULE, LIKE AT THIS POINT IT SHOULD BE THIS FAR MEASUREMENTS. 
          UH, MOST LIKELY WE'RE STILL PART OF THE DEAL IS THAT THEY PROVIDE US WITH DETAILED CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS WITHIN 15 DAYS OF THE EXECUTION OF THIS AGREEMENT. 
          AND THEN, OR MAYBE IT'S WITHIN 30 DAYS, I FORGET THE NUMBER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          THEY HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE IN TURN 15 DAYS TO LOOK AT THAT AND COME BACK WITH THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT MS. MR. PENTHOUSE, YOU DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          JUST SAY THEY WILL COME BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL PROCESS FOR APPROVAL OF THE SITES IN THE BUILDING AS WELL. 
          SO YOU WILL SEE THIS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, THAT PROCESS AS WELL. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS PLEASE? OKAY. 
          AND THEN, SO WE MOVE THIS ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT FOR MONDAY'S MEETING, CORRECT? THAT'S THE ASK. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          I'LL BE PRAYING, PREPARING A RESOLUTION TO THAT EFFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL SEE THAT ON MONDAY. 
          NEXT 
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UP IS THE, UH, ITEM THREE, I, WHICH IS A CULTURE OF DIVERSITY SYSTEMS, ACTION COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UH, BUT SOME OF YOUR HERE, DID YOU HAVE SOME WANT TO TALK TO US? YES, OF COURSE. 
          PLEASE DO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ARE WE GOING TO START WITH THE RESOLUTION? DO YOU WANT TO START THERE BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE DIDN'T, SO YEAH, I THINK SO. 
          THE LAST, MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY AT THE LAST MEETING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RESOLUTION, UH, MR. SCHIRMER HAD SHOWED THE, UH, TALKED ABOUT THE RESOLUTION, BUT THERE WAS SOME, I GUESS, STILL SOME THINGS THAT WASN'T SATISFACTORY WITH THAT. 
          SO I THINK THIS COUNCIL HAD ASKED TO MOVE THIS BACK TO THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION FOR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WITH THIS. 
          SO, SO WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY START THERE. 
          AND THEN IF I'M LOOKING AT MY I'M LOOKING AT MY SHEET ON RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE LAST WORK SESSION, UH, I THINK THERE'S THE, UH, STAFF LEADERSHIP BOARDS, THAT COMMISSION DIVERSITY TRAINING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT. 
          WE'D ALREADY DISCUSSED ADDING THE MLK DAY FOR 2022 ON THE CALENDAR FOR JANUARY 17TH. 
          WE, UH, I BELIEVE WE BRIEFLY 
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TALKED ABOUT THE PROCLAMATION RECOGNITION AND OBSERVANCE FOR THE JUNE, UH, JUNETEENTH DAY, INDIGENOUS PEOPLE DAY. 
          WE WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UH, AROUND THAT, BUT YES, IF YOU WANT TO BEGIN TALKING ABOUT OR HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THE RESOLUTION, UH, OR THAT PART OF THAT PROCESS, WE CERTAINLY CAN START THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BEFORE I GET STARTED, I KIND OF WANT TO LOOK AT THE, TAKE A LOOK AT OUR LEGISLATION, UM, JUST TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT. 
          SO OUR LEGISLATION, THE PURPOSE OF OUR COMMISSION IS OBVIOUSLY TO ACT IN IT IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY TO THE COUNCIL, UM, AND THE CITY MANAGER TO PROMOTE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND FULL EXERCISE OF CIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL PERSONS WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION, BECAUSE OF RACE, ETHNICITY, COLOR, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN, TO COMBAT DISCRIMINATION, RACISM, AND OTHER BIASES THROUGH EDUCATION, MEDIATION, POLICY LEGISLATION, AND COMPLAINT REVIEW RESOLUTION. 
          THE COMMISSION WILL ALSO ENGAGE IN SUCH ACTIVITIES AS MAY BE REFERRED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO I WANT TO KIND OF START THERE AND, AND I WROTE SOME, SOME THINGS YOU GUYS KNOW, I TALK A LOT, SO I HAD TO WRITE SOME THINGS DOWN, BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WITH THE RESOLUTION IS IT WAS NOT REFLECTIVE. 
          UM, AND IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE POWERPOINTS, WE ASKED FOR FIVE CRITICAL KEY POINTS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION. 
          AND WE BENCHMARKED THREE DIFFERENT CITIES. 
          WE LOOKED AT TROTWOOD, WE LOOKED AT OAKWOOD AND WE LOOKED AT PEQUOT. 
          NOW, OBVIOUSLY TROT WOODS DEMOGRAPHICS ARE VERY DIFFERENT FROM HUBER HEIGHTS. 
          UM, AND AS WE LOOK AT OAKWOOD, OAKWOOD PROBABLY HAS A SMALL TO ALMOST NO MINORITY POPULATION. 
          AND THEN LOOKING AT PICK WHAT THEIR POPULATION IS, IS OBVIOUSLY LESS THAN WHAT WE HAVE, PROBABLY MORE THAN WHAT OAK WOOD HAS. 
          SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF LOOK AT SOME DIFFERENT CITIES. 
          UM, AND SO THE FIVE CRITICAL POINTS THAT WE WANTED TO INCLUDE WHERE CONDEMN AND STAND AGAINST RACISM, DISCRIMINATION, AND INEQUITY, AND FORCE, ACCOUNTABILITY, FAIRNESS, EQUITY, AND JUSTICE, AND ALL DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, LISTEN AND LEARN ABOUT HOW TO BETTER EMBRACE, SUPPORT, AND ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST PROMOTE AND EMBRACE DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSIVENESS, AND JUSTICE FOR EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND BEYOND, AND UNDERSTAND AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE PRIVILEGES ENJOYED BY THE MAJORITY THAT OTHERS FROM DIFFERENT RACES, CULTURAL GROUPS IN HERITAGE HERITAGES DO NOT EXPERIENCE AS I STAND TODAY AS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN, AS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN SINGLE WOMAN, AFRICAN-AMERICAN SINGLE MOTHER. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THAT I KNOW BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT RACISM EXISTS. 
          I HAVE EXPERIENCED IT. 
          I'M 48 YEARS OLD. 
          I'VE EXPERIENCED IT THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF MY WHOLE LIFE. 
          IT'S NOT MADE UP. 
          UM, IT'S REAL. 
          AND UNTIL YOU HAVE PUT THESE BOOTS ON AND WALKED IN IT, YOU'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHAT I EXPERIENCED. 
          I'M STANDING HERE TODAY AND I'M LOOKING AT AN ALL WHITE PANEL. 
          WHEN I WALK INTO CITY GOVERNMENT, CITY HALL. 
          I DON'T SEE PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE ME. 
          THAT BOTHERS ME. 
          IT BOTHERS ME AT A CORE BECAUSE IN 2021, WE'RE STILL FIGHTING TO HAVE QUOTE, EQUAL RIGHTS. 
          AND I NEED YOU ALL TO GET THAT. 
          I NEED YOU TO GET IT IN THE CORE OF YOUR BEING, YOU KNOW, ROB WROTE THE LEGISLATION, BUT CAN ROB REALLY SPEAK ABOUT RACISM AND DISCRIMINATION? CAN HE REALLY SPEAK ABOUT WHAT WE EXPERIENCED ON A DAILY BASIS? HE CAN GIVE SOME IDEAS. 
          HE CAN GIVE SOME SUGGESTIONS AS CAN YOU, BUT YOU ALL CAN TRY VERY 
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HARD TO PUT YOURSELF IN OUR SHOES, IN MY SHOES, IN A MINORITY SHOES. 
          AND YOU CAN TRY VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE EXPERIENCE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. 
          I IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO NOT HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW I'M GOING TO WEAR MY HAIR. 
          WHEN I GO TO A JOB INTERVIEW, I IMAGINE WHAT IT MIGHT FEEL LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT I EXCLUDE MY MBA FROM MY NAME ON MY RESUME, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE OVERQUALIFIED. 
          AND THAT CREATES AN ADDITIONAL WAY FOR SOMEONE TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ME. 
          THERE ARE JUST BASIC THINGS THAT AS AFRICAN-AMERICANS, AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK ABOUT WHAT IT'S LIKE TO AFRICAN-AMERICAN. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE ASIAN OR NATIVE AMERICAN, BUT I CAN SURE TELL YOU WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN IN AMERICA. 
          I'M GOING TO READ SOMETHING TO YOU. 
          SO WE PROVIDED A FEW EXAMPLES OF WHAT NEIGHBORING CITIES HAVE USED AS PROCLAMATIONS OR RESOLUTIONS, DECLARING RACISM AS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS OR HEALTH EMERGENCY SINCE 2019 HOLOCENE MAKERS FROM MORE THAN 50 AMERICAN MUNICIPALITIES AND MANY STATES HAVE FORMALLY HIGHLIGHTED RACISM AS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. 
          AND ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2020 REPRESENTATIVE AIYANA PRESLEY FROM MASSACHUSETTS, INTRODUCE THE ANTI-RACISM IN PUBLIC HEALTH ACT IN CONGRESS. 
          IN THE WEEKS AFTER GEORGE FLOYD WAS KILLED BY A MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICER, DOZENS OF CITY COUNCILS, MAYORS, AND GOVERNORS APPROVE RESOLUTIONS, CONDEMNING POLICE VIOLENCE AND CALLING RACISM, A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. 
          ONE OF THE MOST STRONGLY WORDED STATEMENTS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY BY THE GOLETA CALIFORNIA CITY COUNCIL PROCLAIMED THAT BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA CONTINUE TO LIVE IN FEAR OF LOSING THEIR LIVES AT THE HANDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          AS YOU ALL STAND HERE AND LOOK AT ME, DO YOU FEEL WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU? CAN YOU FEEL WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU? CAN YOU TRY TO FEEL WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU AS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN? WHENEVER MY CHILDREN WALK OUT OF THAT DOOR, I FEAR THAT THEY WILL NOT COME HOME TO ME. 
          MY DAUGHTER GOES TO SCHOOL WITH MADDIE. 
          THEY RIDE IN THE SAME CAR. 
          MADDY'S WHITE. 
          ALEX WAS A ASIAN AMERICAN. 
          HE'S A MINORITY, MY DAUGHTER'S BLACK. 
          THEY GET IN THE CAR TOGETHER. 
          THEY HAVE A GOOD TIME. 
          THEY LAUGH. 
          THEY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF WHAT I THINK ABOUT AS A MOTHER. 
          THEY DON'T CARE. 
          ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS BE TOGETHER. 
          WHEN WILL WE GET THERE? WHEN WILL WE GET THERE? THESE KINDS OF DECLARATIONS ARE ONLY AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP BECAUSE THEY FOCUS ON SYSTEMS AND STRUCTURES RATHER THAN DISMISS ANY QUALITIES AS THE FAULT OF INDIVIDUALS. 
          WHEN DID THE CONVERSATION OF RACISM BEING A HEALTH CRISIS BEGIN? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE NAMES OF THE COUNTLESS LIST OF UNARMED BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED AT THE HANDS OF POLICE, SHERIFF DEPUTIES AND SECURITY GUARDS? I HAVE A LIST RIGHT HERE OF 165 BLACK AND BROWN LIVES THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED FROM 1979 TO JANUARY 10TH, 2021. 
          SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT, AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THIS LIST WITH YOU, ANYONE THAT WANTS A COPY. 
          WHEN I TALK ABOUT A RESOLUTION THAT CAN CONDEMN AND STAND AGAINST RACISM, DISCRIMINATION, AND INEQUITY, WHEN WE CAN STATE THAT WE CONDEMN RACISM, I THINK WE'RE READY TO TRULY MOVE THE NEEDLE. 
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SO WE TALK ABOUT POLICE BRUTALITY AND IT'S AS IF THAT WASN'T ENOUGH, THEN WE HAVE COVID 19. 
          THE CURRENT PANDEMIC THAT WE FACE. 
          WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW CORONA VIRUS HAS DISPROPORTIONATELY INFECTED AND AFFECTED AND KILLED MEMBERS FROM BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES, FURTHER SUBSTANTIATES REASONS FOR MAKING THE CASE THAT RACISM IS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS AMONG THE CAUSES FOR THE DECLARATION. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THIS, THAT A FAILURE BY ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL OR CITY LEADER TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE PREVALENT, THE PREVALENCE OF RACISM IN AMERICA AND IN OUR CITY OR ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL OR CITY LEADER WHO WILLINGLY DENIES TO JOIN THE FIGHT TO ERADICATE ITS EFFECTS ON BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES IS NOT A CONSIDERABLE OPTION FOR ME. 
          AND IN MY OPINION IS UNFIT FOR ANY POSITION OF POWER. 
          IT'S AN UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION TO HAVE WHEN IT'S ELECTION TIME, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS HAPPY. 
          BUT AS I SAT IN A MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, IF I WAS SITTING IN YOUR SEAT, AND IF I LOOKED LIKE YOU, I WILL WALK AWAY FROM MY POSITION AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. 
          IF IT MEANT THAT I DIDN'T SPEAK OUT HONESTLY, ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I KNOW IS IMPACTING PEOPLE ALL OVER THIS WORLD. 
          IT IS A PROBLEM WHEN PEOPLE HAVE INFLUENCE AND POWER AND THEY DON'T USE IT TO MAKE CHANGES THAT ARE NECESSARY SO THAT THERE IS EQUITY FOR EVERYBODY, WHETHER REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, YOU ARE ELECTED TO SEE PROTECT, SERVE ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT COLOR I AM. 
          CAN YOU HONESTLY SAY THAT EVERY VOTE THAT YOU CAST REPRESENTS EVERY CITIZEN IN THE BEST LIGHT POSSIBLE? I WAS SITTING HERE, WHAT NOT SITTING HERE. 
          I WAS ACTUALLY LIVE STREAMING AND I, I HEARD HOMEOWNERS TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LET RENTERS COME INTO A COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID THAT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES WOULD DROP. 
          NOW, I'M NOT A HOMEOWNER, BUT MY PARENTS ARE, I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE, BUT I'M NOT. 
          BUT I TAKE JUST AS GOOD A CARE IS MY PROPERTY AS ANY HOMEOWNER DOES. 
          I HAVE JUST AS MUCH PRIDE AS A RESIDENT OF THIS CITY AS ANY HOMEOWNER DOES, BUT BECAUSE I'M A RENTER, I'M SEEING A CERTAIN WAY. 
          SO WE TALK ABOUT LEVELS. 
          IF I'M BLACK, THAT'S A STRIKE. 
          IF I'M A WOMAN, THAT'S A STRIKE. 
          IF I'M A SINGLE MOTHER, THAT'S ANOTHER STRIKE. 
          IF I'M POOR, THAT'S A STRIKE. 
          IF I HAVE A FELONY, THERE'S ANOTHER STRIKE. 
          IF I'M A PART OF THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY, THERE'S ANOTHER STRIPE. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT RACISM, THE REASON WE CAN'T JUST FOCUS ON PARADES AND FESTIVALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET TO THE CORE OF THE ISSUE, THE STRUCTURAL PART, THE PROCESSES AND SYSTEMS THAT DISENFRANCHISED POPULATIONS, BEFORE WE CAN HAVE UNITY BEFORE WE CAN HAVE DIVERSITY, WE HAVE TO FIX THAT. 
          WE HAVE TO NOT BE OKAY WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. 
          THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. 
          WE HAVE TO GO BEYOND EQUALITY. 
          EQUALITY IS NOT ENOUGH. 
          WE NEED EQUITY. 
          WE CAN'T GIVE EVERYBODY THE SAME THING AND THINK WE'VE DONE ENOUGH. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE GAVE THIS RESOLUTION BACK BECAUSE IT, IT, IT, IT DIMINISHES THE TRUE ISSUE WHEN WE'RE NOT WILLING TO SAY THAT RACISM IS AN ISSUE AND THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE DISENFRANCHISED BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE ARE DISENFRANCHISED IN AMERICA. 
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IS ANYBODY WILLING TO SAY THAT OPENLY ON THIS DIOCESE? I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN EVIDENCE OF THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY ANYBODY ELSE. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS. 
          IT STARTS RIGHT HERE WITH YOU ALL MAY OR GORE. 
          WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS. 
          YOU KNOW, WHERE I STOOD ON THIS WHEN I WAS SITTING ON THE OTHER BOARD, UM, I REMEMBER OUR CONVERSATION VERY VIVIDLY IN THAT ROOM. 
          YUP. 
          UM, CULTURE, DIVERSITY, RACIAL EQUITY. 
          CAN'T BE FORGOTTEN. 
          THAT'S A HUGE PIECE. 
          RACIAL EQUITY IS NECESSARY BEFORE YOU CAN GET TO DIVERSITY BECAUSE IF PEOPLE IN LEADERSHIP DON'T BUY INTO THAT PIECE, YOU'LL NEVER GET TO DIVERSITY. 
          IF I ONLY HIRE PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE ME, YOU'LL NEVER HAVE A DIVERSE STAFF. 
          IF I NEVER ALLOW ANYONE TO SIT IN THAT SEAT. 
          NOW, GRANTED, YOU ALL ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN PEOPLE ARE APPOINTED BECAUSE SEATS BECOME EMPTY. 
          CORRECT. 
          WHAT ARE WE DOING TO DIVERSIFY COUNCIL? ARE WE HOLDING CITY MANAGERS ACCOUNTABLE? WHEN CITY LEADERSHIP IS NOT LOOKING AT A DIVERSE POOL OF CANDIDATES? ARE WE HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT MINORITY CONTRACTORS AND MINORITY BUSINESSES? ARE WE ENSURING THAT CITY LEADERSHIP REFLECTS OUR COMMUNITY? BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? I LOOKED AT ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN OUR CITY AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY SENIOR LEADERSHIP IN THIS CITY THAT IS NOT WHITE HIGH LEVEL? OUR IT DIRECTOR BRANDON. 
          YEP. 
          SO WE GOT ONE, JUST ONE AND SEE TO ME THAT SHOULD KEEP YOU ALL UP AT NIGHT. 
          THAT SHOULD KEEP YOU ALL UP AT NIGHT. 
          YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT LOOKS TO THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED YOU INTO OFFICE. 
          BECAUSE IMAGINE FOR A MINUTE THAT ALL OF YOU LOOKED LIKE ME. 
          SO WE HAD AN ALL-BLACK COUNCIL AND YOU WERE SEATED OUT HERE AND YOU WERE LOOKING AT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. 
          HOW WOULD YOU FEEL? WOULD IT MAKE YOU FEEL ANXIOUS TO COME TO MEETINGS? WOULD IT MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR CITY? UM, HOW WOULD IT MAKE YOU FEEL AND SEE, THESE ARE THE TOUGH CONVERSATIONS THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HAVE. 
          I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH GLENN OTTO ABOUT WHY I WEAR A BONNET ON MY HEAD AT NIGHT. 
          DO YOU THINK ANYBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH GLENN MAYOR GORE OTHER THAN RHONDA? PROBABLY NOT. 
          I, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU DID, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THEM. 
          SO, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU RAISE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. 
          NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. 
          WHAT I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, SCOTT. 
          UM, AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY PRETTY EASY INFORMATION TO GET THROUGH. 
          KATIE IS JUST LOOKING BACK AT WHAT OUR TURNOVER HAS BEEN AND OUR SENIOR LEVEL. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD SOMEBODY IN A SENIOR LEVEL POSITION FOR 15 YEARS, WHO'S STILL THERE. 
          YOU KNOW? SO I'M JUST INTERESTED TO FIND OUT HOW LONG THE PEOPLE THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE IN OUR, THAT OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE SENIOR LEVEL LEADERS, HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN IN THOSE POSITIONS. 
          SO WE CAN SEE WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME WE HAVE AND WHAT THE OPPORTUNITY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST. 
          AND THEN I CERTAINLY THINK THAT ONLY BY LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENED TO BE ABLE TO BASE HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIX IT MOVING FORWARD. 
          BUT I, I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE THAT INFORMATION TO KNOW HOW LONG SOME OF OUR SENIOR LEADERS HAVE BEEN IN THE POSITIONS. 
          SO WE KNOW WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE, HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE KNOW HOW WE CAN FIX THAT MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE GOOD INFORMATION FOR THIS COUNCIL TO HAVE. 
          SO, AS YOU ALL, AND YOU ALL ARE CAPABLE OF PUTTING A RESOLUTION TOGETHER, YOU DON'T NEED OUR INPUT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOLANDA SAID. 
          IT'S LIKE WRITING AN APOLOGY LETTER TO MYSELF. 
          WHEN I WRITE A RESOLUTION THAT RACISM IS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS OR A PROCLAMATION. 
          EVERYBODY SAID THAT THEY KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE. 
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YOU KNOW WHAT AFFECTS HEALTHCARE, RIGHT? THERE'S HEALTHCARE INEQUITY. 
          WE'VE SEEN THAT THROUGH THIS WHOLE PANDEMIC. 
          WE KNOW IT AFFECTS HOUSING MARKETS, RACISM AFFECTS EDUCATION. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE WHOLE STANDARDIZED TESTING, BUT AT THE CORE OF EVERYTHING, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE CITY THAT WE LIVE IN THROUGH THE LENS OF EQUITY, YOU'LL GET ALL THE ANSWERS THAT YOU NEED. 
          THE ANSWERS ARE THERE. 
          WE JUST HAVE TO BE OPEN, HONEST AND TRANSPARENT. 
          AND WE NEED TO REALLY, I MEAN, WE NEED TO ASK QUESTIONS AND HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE AT EVERY LEVEL. 
          AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS THAT I'VE LIVED HERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING OPEN, HONEST AND TRANSPARENT. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU FOR ASKING THE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW MANY MINORITIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I DID GO TO YOUR LAST MEETING AND I LEARNED, AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO PROBABLY ALWAYS GOING TO ASK, JUST SO THAT YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT A COMPANY WOULD HAVE A BID COMES IN. 
          I CAN ASK. 
          AND I DIDN'T KNOW. 
          I COULD ASK. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S IT, WE JUST NEED TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS. 
          WE NEED TO BE WILLING TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. 
          UM, AT EVERY LEVEL ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS BECAUSE WHEN WE DO THAT, IT'S NOT HARD TO WRITE A RESOLUTION FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU TRULY BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART NEEDS TO HAPPEN. 
          AND I BELIEVE EVERYBODY THAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, IS HERE BECAUSE THEY TRULY ARE VESTED IN THIS CITY AND THAT MATTERS, BUT I NEED YOU ALL TO ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE WANTING, HOPING, PRAYING THAT YOU ALL DO, WHAT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST. 
          AND SO WRITE THE RESOLUTION BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE GAVE YOU. 
          WE GAVE FEEDBACK, BUT TAKE OUR FEEDBACK AND THEN JUST LOOK IN YOUR HEART. 
          START THERE, GET OUT OF YOUR HEAD, LOOK IN YOUR HEART AND SEE WHAT, WHAT YOU COME UP WITH. 
          YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK SO I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, KIND OF THE POTENTIAL OR THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION THAT WAS DONE, UM, PROVIDED BY MR. SCHUMER. 
          AND A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ADDRESSED, UH, ARE, ARE IN THIS RESOLUTION. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'LL PROBABLY THE DIFFICULTY THAT WE HAVE IS JUST THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN. 
          AND WHEN WE MEET AND HOW DO WE PUT TOGETHER A RESOLUTION WHEN ALL OF US ARE HERE TOGETHER AS ACTIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE ONLY WAY THAT I SEE IN MY MIND FOR THAT MAKES SENSE, I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT WOULD BE REALLY TO KIND OF TASK EACH ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION THAT IS HERE AS A TEMPLATE, MAKE NOTES, MAKE SUGGESTIONS AS INDIVIDUALS, AND THEN BRING THOSE BACK AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THEM. 
          BECAUSE I, I JUST FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE ALL SETTING IN AN OPEN SESSION, TRYING TO, TRYING TO MANEUVER THIS, IT, THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NINE DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO SUGGEST ONE THING VERSUS ANOTHER, UH, KNOWING THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          I THINK IT JUST HAS TO HAPPEN IN THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MANAGE NUMBER ONE, SO IT DOES GET DONE. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS, IS, UM, MR. ROGERS MAKES SURE THAT A COPY OF THE, UH, AT LEAST THIS RESOLUTION AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OTHER RESOLUTIONS. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WE HAD EXAMPLES OF FROM OTHER CITIES TO MAKE THOSE AVAILABLE TO EACH ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL. 
          I HAVE THE THREE THAT SHE REFERENCED. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          SO IT WAS, UH, TROTWOOD OAKWOOD PICK ONE. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT. 
          WE HAVE THOSE THERE'S SLEW. 
          I MEAN A SLEW OF OTHER ONES, IF YOU JUST GOOGLE RESOLUTION. 
          SURE. 
          BUT I THINK BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, IT, ISN'T OUR LENS. 
          IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE USED TO, SO IT IS, IT IS DIFFICULT. 
          I CAN, I CAN ADMIT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND I KNOW, I FEEL I COULD PUT THAT ON PAPER, BUT I ALSO WANT TO, I WOULD HOPE THAT AND PREFER THAT IT LOOKS SOMETHING LIKE WHAT A, WHAT A RESOLUTION WOULD LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU AND I, AND YOLANDA AND ROB WERE ON THE CALL WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT EVEN DOWN TO THE DETAIL OF, IS THIS AN EMERGENCY OR IS IT A CRISIS? AND WE AGREED ON 
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THE WORD CRISIS BECAUSE THAT KIND OF SEEMED MORE IMMEDIATE. 
          IT SEEMED MORE FOCUSED TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN HEBREW HEIGHTS VERSUS JUST A BROAD LEVEL EMERGENCY EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING. 
          SO WE HAD A CONVERSATION EVEN DOWN TO THAT, THAT CONVERSATION ALONE WAS PROBABLY 15 MINUTES JUST PICKING OUT THAT WORD OVER, OVER ANOTHER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK THE EASIEST WAY TO MANAGE THIS PROCESS IS JUST THAT EVERYBODY TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE. 
          EVERYBODY MAKE SOME NOTES, EVERYBODY TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THIS RESOLUTION. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE INTERVENE AS A COUNCIL, AGAIN, WE CAN ALL TALK ABOUT THAT AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OPENLY AND PUBLICLY. 
          AND WHY YOU THINK THAT'S IN THERE RATHER THAN TRYING TO DEVELOP IT WHILE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER. 
          I JUST THINK THAT PROCESS, I THINK, WOULD BE TOO HARD TO MANAGE WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THOUGH. 
          WHEN YOU WRITE IT, DON'T WRITE IT FROM WHERE, FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR FRAME OF REFERENCE, YOU'RE NOW A MINORITY MALE, YOU'RE A MINORITY WOMAN, A MINORITY MALE, A MINORITY MALE, A MINORITY, MALE, MINORITY, MALE, NANCY, AND MINORITY WOMAN, ANDY, A MINORITY MALE AT A MINORITY MALE. 
          WRITE IT FROM THAT LENS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT'S HARD, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE WORK STARTS. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE WORK STARTS. 
          YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO DIG DEEP BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T, YOU'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND ANYBODY THAT YOU SERVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE WORK STARTS. 
          IT'S EASY WHEN YOU'VE NEVER HAD AN EQUITY, BUT WHEN YOU'VE HAD AN EQUITY, YOU UNDERSTAND INEQUITY. 
          AND IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO'S EXPERIENCED IN EQUITY? YES. 
          NOBODY ELSE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND EVEN AS WOMEN, YOU KNOW, WE FACE INEQUITY AS WOMEN. 
          SO JUST, JUST LOOK AT IT FROM ANOTHER LENS, CALL ANY OF US, IF YOU NEED TO BOUNCE SOMETHING OFF OF US, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL OPEN TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS. 
          SO DON'T, I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS A VERY FORMAL SETTING, RIGHT. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE ALL HUMAN. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY INFORMAL SETTINGS. 
          YOU THINK? SO THE WORK SESSION SUPPOSED TO BE OKAY. 
          WELL, IT FEELS FORMAL TO ME BECAUSE YOU'RE BEHIND THE DIETS. 
          RIGHT? SO COME FROM BEHIND THE DIETS AND EXPERIENCE, WHAT SOMEONE ELSE EXPERIENCES ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT? TALK TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS IN YOUR WARDS, TALK TO YOUR, TALK TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW, HOW THEY FEEL. 
          AND IF THEY FEEL INEQUITY, TALK TO THEM. 
          I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE TALK TO MY WARD REP. 
          NOW, OTHER THAN KATE, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE. 
          AND TO ME, THAT'S TELLING, SO I THINK THAT WE CAN ALL DO BETTER. 
          WE'RE ALL IN A POSITION TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE TOUGH CONVERSATIONS. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN THIS RESOLUTION, BUT MAYOR, TO BE QUITE HONEST, THIS FOCUSES A LOT ON MEDICAL AND HEALTH INEQUITY. 
          THAT'S JUST ONE FORM OF INEQUITY. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHERS. 
          AND ONE OF THOSE IS ONE OF THE HEALTH INEQUITIES IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CERTAIN TYPE OF INSURANCE, YOU'RE NOT GETTING SEEN BY A DOCTOR. 
          HOW MANY RESIDENTS IN OUR CITY ARE HAVING TO TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY TO GET HEALTHCARE NEEDS MET BECAUSE DOCTORS DETERMINED. 
          AND THEY CAN'T SAY, I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE POOR. 
          I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE BLACK. 
          BUT WHAT THEY CAN SAY IS I DON'T ACCEPT YOUR INSURANCE. 
          SO THEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT INSURANCE, THEN GUESS WHAT? HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, COVID CHOLESTEROL AND ALL OF THESE HEALTH ISSUES. 
          NOW YOU EITHER HAVE TO TRAVEL. 
          AND WHAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CAR THEN WHAT? SO PEOPLE JUST AT SOME POINT GIVE UP, THEY GIVE UP. 
          SO AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THINGS TO PUT IN THIS RESOLUTION, THINK ABOUT IT AS IF YOU WERE A MINORITY, MALE OR A MINORITY, IMAGINE THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE A JOB AND THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CAR AND THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE. 
          AND BOY, I'M TELLING YOU TABLES TURN. 
          NO, NONE OF US KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO 
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BE TOMORROW, BUT YOU HAVE TO SEE IT THROUGH A DIFFERENT LENS AND GIVE IT BACK TO YOU, MAYOR GORE AS ALWAYS THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE YOU. 
          AND THAT IS AS HEARTFELT AS, AS ANYTHING. 
          I REALLY, I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS. 
          I KNOW HOW PASSIONATE YOU ARE ABOUT THIS. 
          I THINK THAT I THINK THE CITY HAS TAKEN SOME STEPS TO MOVE IN IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY IMPROVEMENT THAT CAN BE MADE. 
          AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU HOWEVER WE CAN MAKE THIS BETTER. 
          AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE THAT I THINK EACH COUNSELOR NEEDS TO, UH, TAKE, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. 
          SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WORK ON, UM, ON SOME STATEMENTS THAT COULD BE PART OF THIS TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, ALL THINGS THAT MISS SOMEONE HAS SAID. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN ALSO I WOULD ASK WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE, I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT LEAST HAD SOME LEVEL OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RESOLUTION TO ESTABLISH THE COMMISSION AND TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT INCLUDING MAKING SURE WE HAD ALL THE DIFFERENT DIVERSITY AND DIFFERENT CULTURES AND ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS AND THE LGBT COMMUNITY AND ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          SO IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED AMENDED TO THAT RESOLUTION, THEN LET'S, LET'S WRITE THOSE DOWN. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT IT THE SAME WAY THAT WE WOULD THEN TALK ABOUT ANOTHER SESSION, UH, ISSUES OF THE ACTUAL, UH, OF THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION. 
          WHEN I CAME TO YOUR LAST MEETING AFTERWARDS, I SAT WITH ANOTHER MEMBER OF YOUR COMMUNITY, YOUR PANEL, AND WE HIGHLIGHTED DIFFERENT THINGS THEY WANTED IN AND THEY WANT IT OUT. 
          IF, IS IT, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET THE ELECTRONIC FILE FROM ROB'S THAT HE WROTE THAT RESOLUTION? COULD THAT BE EMAILED OUT? I WILL FIND IT. 
          IF NOT, YOU COULD TALK TO HIM AND YOUR CONSULTATION. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF YOU COULD EMAIL IT TO ME, I'LL START WORKING ON IT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT MAYBE SUNDAY AND TRY WHAT THE PERSON THAT I SPOKE ABOUT AND SEND IT AS A ROUGH DRAFT AND A STARTING POINT TO TRY TO START. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S ALL I COULD DO IS TRY AND START. 
          YEP. 
          AND THEN STARTING AS THE ONLY PLACE ALL OF US CAN GET STARTED. 
          YEP. 
          AND THE THING THAT I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THOUGH, BEFORE WE CAN FOCUS ON EVERYTHING, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE STRUCTURAL PIECE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AS I SAID, RACISM IS LAYERED. 
          SO I WANT YOU TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT, DO WE WANT TO SERVE, DO WE WANT, UM, SERVE THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY? ABSOLUTELY. 
          THEY'RE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S NOT WHY WE ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR LEGISLATION SAYS THOUGH, BUT IS THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY AFFECTED? IF THERE ARE A BLACK AND BROWN PERSON? ABSOLUTELY. 
          IT'S MULTI-LAYERED. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT IMPACTING ALL OF THESE GROUPS, WE HAVE TO START WITH THE FACT THAT RACISM IS REAL AND BENEATH ALL OF THAT. 
          THERE ARE LAYERS BELOW THAT INCOME, SEXUALITY, ORIGIN, GENDER, IT ALL LAYERS, BUT IT STARTS HERE WITH STRUCTURAL RACISM. 
          AND SO UNTIL WE CAN DISMANTLE THAT PIECE, WE CAN'T EVEN GET TO THE OTHER PARTS. 
          DIVERSITY, TRUE DIVERSITY AND UNITY WILL NEVER HAPPEN. 
          IF STRUCTURAL RACISM IS NOT DISMANTLED, WE HAVE TO GET SO UNCOMFORTABLE. 
          AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DISAGREE ON SOME THINGS. 
          I KNOW THAT I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO WILL REMAIN NAMELESS ABOUT COLOR, BLIND BEING COLORBLIND. 
          NOBODY IS COLORBLIND. 
          EVERYBODY SEES COLOR. 
          JUST LIKE I SEE YOU. 
          YOU CAN SEE ME. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO, TO FACE SOME HARD TRUTHS. 
          AND TRUST ME, IT'S NOT EASY FOR US BECAUSE HAVING A CONVERSATION WHERE I'D SAY, WHEN I TELL YOU THAT I FEEL LIKE I AM BEING DISMISSED BECAUSE I'M A WOMAN AND I'M A BLACK WOMAN. 
          THAT'S NOT AN EASY CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH SOMEONE THAT'S WHITE. 
          WHO'S ALWAYS BEEN NICE TO ME. 
          THAT'S AN UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION TO HAVE, BUT MY FRIENDS UNDERSTAND AND THEY LISTEN. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT TRUE FRIENDSHIP IS TRUE. 
          ALLYSHIP IS YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST THAT YOU UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU'RE WILLING 
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TO GO TO BAT TO MAKE CHANGES. 
          NLC, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT ORGANIZATION SAYS TO ME, WHEN YOU'RE PARTICIPATING IN RACIAL EQUITY CONFERENCES SAYS TO ME THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE, YOU'RE MOVING THE NEEDLE. 
          KATE, WHEN YOU'RE WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH US AFTER YOU ATTEND A MEETING, IT SAYS TO ME THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE MAYOR. 
          WHEN YOU'RE WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS TYPE OF A COMMISSION. 
          IT SAYS THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE GLENN, WHEN YOU'RE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT MY BROTHER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND HOW, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SEE THINGS EYE TO EYE, BUT WE ALWAYS AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THINGS. 
          IT SAYS THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE. 
          AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING. 
          WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT YOU'D BE WILLING TO HAVE THE TOUGH CONVERSATIONS. 
          AND IF, IF WE AGREE TO DISAGREE, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, GUESS WHO WINS OUR COMMUNITY? NO. 
          NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME, MR. CAMPBELL. 
          THANKS FOR COMING. 
          UH, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE START IS THE RESOLUTION. 
          IT THAT'S THE START BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT UNTIL WE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT AS A CITY, WE CA WE, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE'S, BUY-IN AT THE LEADERSHIP LEVEL. 
          UM, IT'S GREAT THAT THE COMMISSION EXISTS, BUT IF YOU GO TO OUR SURROUNDING CITIES, THEY'VE GOT BANNERS ON THEIR WEBPAGES. 
          THEY'VE GOT PROCLAMATIONS AND RESOLUTIONS. 
          UM, AND I THINK TO BE HONEST, IT'S TAKEN US TOO LONG TO DO THAT MUCH. 
          AND YOU HAD MENTIONED HAVING RESOLUTIONS FROM TROTWOOD OAKLAND AND PICK ONE. 
          ARE ANY OF THOSE SUITABLE SOMETHING? YES. 
          YES. 
          AND I PUT KEY POINTS IN THE POWERPOINT. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SLIDE, THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION NUMBER FOR THOSE CITIES IS THERE ON THAT. 
          SO ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR US TO ADOPT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND ONCE WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION MOVING FORWARD, WHAT WOULD MAYBE THE NEXT STEP BE IN YOUR OPINION? SO, UM, AFTER THE RESOLUTION, DEFINITELY I WOULD WANT TO, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS PLAYS OUT BECAUSE YOU ALL TOLD ME YESTERDAY, YOU HAVE THREE EMPLOYEES, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS TO SEE, TO MAYBE DO POLICY REVIEWS, UM, AND TO LOOK AT MAYBE WHERE WE'RE STRONG AND WHERE WE'RE WEAK, WHERE WE CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND WOULD THAT BE DONE THROUGH YOUR COMMISSION? YES. 
          YES. 
          WITH YOU ALL'S APPROVAL. 
          OF COURSE. 
          UM, SO I DON'T WANT TO CONTRADICT ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID TONIGHT, BUT IF, IF THERE'S A SUITABLE RESOLUTION AND WE COULD ADOPT THAT, IT IS THERE A REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE? I THINK THE, UM, UH, THAT'S, I'M JUST BEING HONEST. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS STRUGGLING WITH A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE IF THERE, IF THERE IS A SUITABLE RESOLUTION ISN'T PRESENTED, THAT CERTAINLY SEEMS LIKE THE EASIEST WAY TO MAKE IT MOVE FAST. 
          BUT THEN I FEEL LIKE THAT DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH WHAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO DO. 
          AND THAT IS REALLY TAKE A DEEP LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE AND DEVELOPING IT OUT OF, KIND OF, OF OUR OWN PERSONAL VIEWS OR WHATEVER. 
          SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE PIECE I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH IS THAT I DON'T WANT TO JUST PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. 
          IT'S OUT THERE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          SO I'M A LITTLE SOBER EITHER, BUT I THINK FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, AND IT'S TAKEN TOO MUCH TIME IN THE MEETING THAT I PRESIDED OVER WHEN JEFF WAS OUT OF TOWN, UH, MY COMMENT THEN JUST SAYING, NOW THEY HAVE CHANGED. 
          SOMETHING'S GOT TO CHANGE. 
          WE HAVE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION OR WE WE'RE NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME POINTS. 
          YES. 
           I THINK THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION. 
          THERE ARE SOME POINTS IN THAT RESOLUTION THAT ARE GREAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE KIND OF DISMISSIVE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE TIMES THE CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, WHEN YOU TALK BLACK AND WHITE, IT KIND OF DISARM SOME PEOPLE, THEY GET DEFENSIVE, BUT RACISM IS A BLACK AND WHITE ISSUE. 
          CAN ANYBODY ADMIT THAT? AND IF YOU CAN'T ADMIT THAT THAT'S A PART OF THE ISSUE, RACISM IS BLACK AND WHITE. 
          IT'S NOT GRAY. 
          IT'S NOT 
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PURPLE. 
          IT'S NOT BLUE, IT'S BLACK AND WHITE. 
          AND UNTIL WE CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT UNTIL WE CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT POLICE BRUTALITY EXISTS, WE DON'T NEED TO CREATE, CREATE ANY NARRATIVE TO DEFEND GOOD POLICE. 
          THERE ARE GOOD COPS EVERYWHERE, BUT GUESS WHAT? THERE'S SOME BAD ONES TOO. 
          AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO BE REACTIVE. 
          WE WANT TO BE PROACTIVE. 
          ARE THERE PEOPLE WHO DO THE RIGHT THINGS IN THIS CITY? ABSOLUTELY. 
          FOR THE RIGHT REASON, BUT ARE THERE POSSIBLY SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T DO THE RIGHT THINGS? PROBABLY SO, SO WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO LOOK AT IT ALL WE CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE, YOU KNOW? AND SO HE DOES HAVE SOME GREAT POINTS IN THE RESOLUTION. 
          SO I'M NOT SAYING START FROM SCRATCH, TAKE SOME OF WHAT SCOTT, NOT SCOTT. 
          I GOT SCOTT IN THE HEAD ROB PROVIDED. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT AND ASK YOURSELF IF I WERE A BLACK MAN, WOULD THIS RESOLUTION SEEM LIKE IT SERVED ME WELL, IF I WERE A BLACK WOMAN, WOULD THIS RESOLUTION SEEMED LIKE IT SERVED ME WELL. 
          AND I'M TELLING YOU, IF YOU DO THAT, YOU'LL HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS YOU NEED. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK SO OUR NEXT WORK SESSION WOULD BE TWO WEEKS FROM WHERE WE'D BE THREE WEEKS FROM NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PLENTY OF TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO GET A REALLY GOOD START ON AT LEAST SOME THEIR OWN OWN NOTES RESEARCH, WHAT YOU CAN FIND, AND THEN WE CAN, AND THEN CERTAINLY OPEN TO HAVING THAT DISCUSSION OTHER OPENLY ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO. 
          AND I'LL JUST SAY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT I, UM, I GO BACK TO THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU AND I HAD WHEN WE, WHEN WE VERY FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS COMMISSION. 
          AND THAT IS WHEN WE, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NAME AND I KNOW THE NAME OF THE COMMISSION IS FAIRLY LONG, BUT, UH, BUT I DO REMEMBER VERY SPECIFICALLY THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THAT YOU MADE IT A VERY, VERY STRONG POINT THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT THIS COMMISSION TO BE JUST SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WE JUST SAT AROUND AND TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND I MEAN, THAT WAS THE BIG FOCAL POINT IN THE AGREEMENT. 
          AND RHONDA WAS EXTREMELY ADAMANT ABOUT ADDING THE NAME OR THE TERM ACTION INTO THE ACTUAL NAME OF THE COMMISSION. 
          AND I THINK THAT IS CERTAINLY, UH, THAT WAS THE RIGHT WORD BECAUSE, UH, I THINK IT DOES TAKE ACTION AS MR. CAMPBELL SAID, SOME HAVE CHANGED SOME SOMEBODY'S GOT TO START TO CHANGE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T ANYBODY ON THIS DICE AT ALL THAT I BELIEVE IS AN INTERESTED IN MOVING THE NEEDLE FORWARD A LOT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT ABOUT ALL MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE, THAT WE'RE ALL INTERESTED IN, THAT WE ALL HAVE AN EXTREMELY VESTED INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          WHEN I GO TO WORK EVERY DAY, I SEE STUDENTS THAT LOOK LIKE AND RESEMBLE THEIR FAMILIES AT HOME. 
          I'VE SAID THAT THOSE KIDS DIDN'T JUST POP UP FROM SOMEWHERE. 
          THEY RESEMBLE, THEY COME FROM FAMILIES. 
          THEY LOOK LIKE, UH, THE HOMES THAT THEY COME FROM. 
          AND ME PERSONALLY, I HAVE, UH, I HAVE LOTS OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND OTHER MINORITY STUDENTS. 
          SO I KNOW A PERSON, I THINK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT, THAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE LOOKING INTO THIS. 
          I'M ALSO GOING TO TRY TO LOOK AT IT THROUGH THE EYES OF THE STUDENT. 
          WHO'S WHO'S YOUNG, WHO'S GOT AN INCREDIBLE FUTURE AHEAD OF THEM, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE RACISM THAT YOU SPEAK UP. 
          SO I THINK I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHERE I'M GOING TO START. 
          AND I THINK EVERYBODY TOO, I THINK IF THEY REALLY CONSIDER THIS AND LOOK AT THE OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN REALLY COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT DOES THE COMMUNITY PROUD. 
          DOES THE COMMISSION PROUD? AND WE CAN START TO MOVE THAT NEEDLE FURTHER. 
          YEAH, I DO BELIEVE, UH, I DO BELIEVE MY HEART, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO AND THAT WE CAN WORK ON AND THEN WE CAN GET BETTER AT, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S GONNA BE PERFECT. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALL GONNA LEARN AS WE GO. 
          AND I THINK AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD THESE RELATIONSHIPS AND, AND WORK WITH THE COMMISSION, I THINK IT'LL JUST GET STRONGER AS WE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND I DO AGREE THAT SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE TOUGH DISCUSSIONS. 
          AND I THINK IT'S SO DIFFICULT NOWADAYS, TO DISAGREE WITH ANYBODY BECAUSE OF HOW PEOPLE LOOK AT YOU FOR WHATEVER YOUR OPINION IS. 
          AND I THINK THEN THE DISAGREEING ABOUT ISSUES ABOUT RACE AND EQUITY, IF SOMEBODY HAS A FEELING THAT DISAGREES THERE, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A CRUCIAL TOPIC. 
          AND SOMETIMES AS YOU MENTIONED, UNCOMFORTABLE TOPIC ABOUT RACE, PEOPLE THAT ARE AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT THEIR OPINIONS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S AFRAID OF WHAT SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO THINK OF THEM. 
          AND I THINK JUST THAT ALONE ABOUT HOW UNCOMFORTABLE 
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I GET IN SOME OF THOSE SITUATIONS. 
          SO THE LENS I CAN LOOK THROUGH WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR YOU TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH ME. 
          SO I DO THINK WE CAN, I DO THINK WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. 
          I REALLY DO. 
          AND I, AND I WANT TO, AND I GUESS MR. CAMPBELL, AFTER YOU, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ENCOURAGE MY AGENTS AND MY, MY AGENTS THAT I MENTOR IS THAT I SEE YOU AND I HEAR YOU. 
          AND I THINK IF, IF WE CAN ADOPT THAT MENTALITY THAT I SEE YOU. 
          SO I SEE YOU, RIGHT? AND I HEAR YOU NOW, NOT IN MY SHOES, BUT AT LEAST YOU'RE WILLING TO SEE ME AS A WOMAN, AS A BLACK WOMAN. 
          AND TO HEAR ME TO HEAR WHAT I'M TELLING YOU, I DEAL WITH ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, AS AN EDUCATED BLACK WOMAN HAS WORKED HARD TO GET TO THE PLACE THAT SHE IS. 
          I STILL DEAL WITH RACISM AND HE WRITES, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. 
          SO THAT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE AT A GOOD STARTING PLACE. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, ANY OF YOU THAT ARE, THAT WANT TO TALK TO ME ON A ONE-TO-ONE BASIS OR ANY OF US, I KNOW THERE'S NONE OF US ON THAT COMMISSION THAT WOULDN'T BE WILLING TO HAVE A ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE START CITY LEADERSHIP AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHO I AM, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION. 
          THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS. 
          YES. 
          MR. KIM, IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT DURING THE WORK SESSION, GET OUR WORK RAMPED UP AND HAVE A RESOLUTION TO VOTE ON. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          AND I WANT TO LEARN, AND ONE OF THE FIVE ITEMS YOU HAD POINTED OUT WAS TO LISTEN AND LEARN. 
          I WANT TO LEARN WHAT YOU SEE. 
          AND AGAIN, WE HAVE SUITABLE RESOLUTIONS THAT WE CAN PULL OFF THE SHELF. 
          YES. 
          CUSTOMIZE MAYBE TO US AND GETTING PAST. 
          YES. 
          AND WHEN WE DO THAT SOONER THAN LATER, WE CAN GET AND START THE WORK. 
          YES. 
          WE'RE NOT WORKING YET WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THIS RESOLUTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, HOW, UM, SEPTEMBER, I THINK WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF STUFF BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT THIS PIECE IS CRUCIAL BECAUSE THIS SAYS THAT OUR CITY IS COMMITTED TO THIS RACIAL EQUITY, UM, DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION WORK. 
          AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY THING WE'RE MISSING. 
          NO, W WE'RE ALL ENGAGED. 
          SO I WOULD EXPECT THAT WE COULD GET SOMETHING PASSED PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          WE COULD LITERALLY PULL SOMETHING OFF THE SHELF AND PASS THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEM. 
          THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO NOTE THE POWERPOINT GIVES CLEAR, CRITICAL FIVE CRITICAL POINTS. 
          WE'VE GOT TROTWOOD OAKWOOD AND PICK ONE. 
          AND THERE'S A SLEW OF OTHERS, DAYTON THAT MONTGOMERY PUBLIC HEALTH THERE. 
          THEY'VE GOT ONE, UM, MV, PRC, I THINK I SAID THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY'VE GOT ONE. 
          SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF LANGUAGE. 
          UM, AND NOBODY REALLY CRAFTED THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. 
          PEOPLE HAVE PROBABLY COPIED AND PASTE IT. 
          UM, BEST PRACTICES. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S JUST WORK STARTS AFTER THE RESOLUTION. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S JUST THE FIRST STEPS THE FIRST. 
          SO I HAVEN'T LEARNED ANYTHING ELSE. 
          I LEARNED THAT'S THE FIRST STEP, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          GET YOUR COPY AND PASTE GAME ON. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT, THAT'S IT, THAT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE WE COULD DO THAT PRETTY SOON. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE COULD WRAP THIS UP AND HONESTY. 
          WHEN IS THE NEXT WORK SESSION? OKAY. 
          WHAT'S THE DATE OF THE NEXT WORK SESSION? IT'S THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, WE COULDN'T PASS IT AT THAT WORK SESSION. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED A FORMAL COUNCIL MEETING. 
          WHEN'S THE NEXT ONE OF THOSE MONITOR MONDAY? YEAH. 
          I THINK MONDAY IS TOO SOON FOR US TO, AT EXCITED FOR ME TO PUT, SO IF MR.  COULD FORWARD ME THE ELECTRONIC AND THAT WE CAN START THERE. 
          AND THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER FROM THE DIVERSITY COMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT SEPARATING SOME OF THE PARAGRAPHS OFF AND JUST GETTING THE MEAT OF IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYONE I'M JUST READY TO GET STARTED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ME TOO. 
          SO YEAH. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? YEP. 
          I'M NOT READY TO GET STARTED FOR ANY OTHER REASON THAN I WANT TO LEARN RIGHT NOW. 
          [02:10:02]
AND HOPEFULLY WHAT I LEARNED IS THAT WE CAN CHANGE A COMMUNITY. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT YET BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE THROUGH THOSE GLASSES, BUT I WANT TO, I THINK WE CAN, I'M, I'M AN ETERNAL OPTIMIST. 
          I BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. 
          AND I THINK IF WE ARE ALL A UNIFIED FRONT, THEN I THINK IT CAN HAPPEN QUICKER. 
          HUBER UNITE. 
          WELL THEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I MEAN, THERE'S, SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT HOW TO DRAFT THIS OR TIMING. 
          UM, LOOK, I'M, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO, I MEAN, WHATEVER COUNCIL'S WISHES AND HOW YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, IF YOU WANT TO DO, UM, A COPY OF A DRAFT RESOLUTION FROM ANOTHER CITY, THAT'S OKAY. 
          OR IF WE WANT TO TAKE SOME TIME AND A COMBINATION OF BOTH, BUT THEN BEING TIME SENSITIVE ABOUT WHEN TO BRING THIS BACK, CAUSE WE'RE IN A SITUATION APRIL'S THAT THREE WEEK OR KIND OF THAT FIFTH WEEK, MONTH. 
          SO THEN THAT OTHER MEETING GETS PUSHED OFF. 
          SO AS MR. OTTO SAID, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE FOLLOW THE IDEA OF COMING BACK AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION WITH A DRAFT RESOLUTION, IN SOME, IN SOME OPTIONS THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT, THAT WOULD BE THAT FOLLOWING MONDAY WHEN WE WOULD ACTUALLY APPROVE THAT RESOLUTION. 
          SO I'M JUST OPEN TO WHATEVER COUNSEL WISHES. 
          YES. 
          MR. WEBB. 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          UM, I LIKE WHAT, UH, COUNCILMAN, UM, VERY COURTHOUSE HAS STATED IF SHE CAN COORDINATE THIS WITH, WITH THE SKELETON OF A DOCUMENT AND WE CAN ALL, UM, AS RON HAS STATED, PUT OUR HEARTS INTO IT. 
          I THINK COMING BACK AT THE THREE WEEK WORK SESSION, WORKING TOGETHER IN AN OPEN MEETING TO FINALIZE WHAT WE SEE AS THIS LANGUAGE, THEN THE FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEETING WOULD BE AN IDEAL TIME, PUT IT INTO EFFECT. 
          I'LL TRY TO GET A DRAFT OUT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE DIVERSITY COMMITTEE. 
          AND HOPEFULLY BY MONDAY WE CAN HAVE, WE MAY REALLY GET EVERYTHING DONE, BUT AT LEAST HAVE SOME IDEAS IN ROUND. 
          ROBIN WAS A COUPLE OF THE ORIGINAL MODIFICATIONS AND MAYBE A CUT AND PASTE OF SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT HAVE ALREADY DONE THE HARD WORK. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND START WITH, START WITH THOSE THREE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME REALLY OAKWOOD, I AM SUPER IMPRESSED WITH WHAT WELL, THAT'S WHERE WE CAN START. 
          RIGHT. 
          MR. CAMERON, NOT SURE IF YOU'VE EVER HAD A SPECIAL MEETING, SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING, BUT WE CAN SCHEDULE ONE OF THOSE. 
          I THINK WE'VE HAD A COUPLE, WE CAN GET THAT. 
          I LOVE THOSE BECAUSE WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET STARTED UNTIL WE PASS THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO A SPECIAL MEET IS THAT POSSIBLE TO DO A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THIS RESOLUTION? OKAY, GREAT. 
          I AGREE THAT FORMAL COUNCIL MEETING, HOW FAR AWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE IF WE WANT TO PASS THIS, EVEN IF WE JUST WORKED ON IT BECAUSE WE CAN WORK ON IT AND WE CAN GET IT PASSED, BUT WE'VE WORKED ON THIS SINCE SEPTEMBER. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN SOME PUSHBACK VOLLEYED BACK AND FORTH. 
          SO YEAH. 
          NEW HORIZONS, NEW HORIZONS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO SPECIAL MEETING WILL BE GREAT. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYBODY, ONE COMMISSION WOULD BE AGAINST THAT YOU CAN CELEBRATE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          WELL THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IF, IF KATIE CAN KIND OF START THAT ESTABLISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE TO WORK ON THAT AS WELL THEN. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF THE PROCESS. 
          WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK THEN AND HAVE THE PIECE OF WORK THROUGH THAT. 
          OR JUST THROUGH ELECTRONIC EMAIL, WE CAN ALL WORK ON IT AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY AGREES. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS A COUPLE DIFFERENT VERSIONS. 
          DOES IT? FIRST OF ALL, GUYS, DOES THAT VIOLATE ANYTHING? JERRY, IF WE HAVE A EMAIL OF SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTION LIKE THAT GOING BACK AND EVERYBODY'S KIND OF PARTICIPATE IN THAT SINCE IT'S GOING TO BE A RESOLUTION BACK AND FORTH TO SEE WHAT ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SO, SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT. 
          CAN YOU, SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE JUST, WE'RE LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO, WHICH IS, IT COULD BE ONE WAY DISTRIBUTION. 
          LIKE IF KATE WORKS ON SOMETHING AND DISTRIBUTES ALL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, BUT YOU'RE NOT ALL DISCUSSING IT ELECTRONICALLY, CAN WE, CAN WE MAKE CHANGES AND SEND BACK TO KATE? AS LONG AS I WASN'T SAYING, HEY GLENN, I ADDED THIS. 
          WHAT DID YOU ADD? I MEAN, IS THAT I THINK THE BEST WAY WOULD PROBABLY BE TO SEND THEM TO ME. 
          SO I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE BODY AND THEN I CAN DISSEMINATE THEM BACK. 
          THAT'D BE PERFECT. 
          YOU'LL GIVE IT TO US. 
          SO THE DIVERSITY COUNCIL OR THE COMMITTEE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHATEVER PROCESS GUYS CAN, CAN YOU GUYS NOT DO A GOOGLE DOC WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE CHANGES THE PROMISE? WE CAN ONLY DO BUSINESS HERE, BUT YOU CAN'T WORK ON A DOCUMENT ON GOOGLE DOC WHERE YOU CAN MAKE OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WOULD CERTAINLY GET OUR HANDS STUCK CAMPBELL. 
          [02:15:01]
YEAH. 
          AND DID YOU SAY THAT, UH, THE OAKWOOD DOCUMENT YOU REALLY LIKED? YEAH. 
          AND LET ME TELL YOU THE ONE THING THAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THEM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I ASK OUR PREVIOUS MANAGER TO CHECK WITH THE CITY LAW DIRECTOR ABOUT, WHICH HE NEVER DID. 
          UM, OAKWOOD HAS AN S THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED A FIVE OH ONE C3. 
          SO THEY ARE SEEN AS A QUASI GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATION. 
          MY QUESTION WAS, COULD WE BE THAT, COULD WE BE, IS THERE ANY WAY BY WHICH WE COULD BE SEEN AS QUASI GOVERNMENTAL? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN LOOK INTO FOR US? YES, PLEASE. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          LET'S GIVE IT TO YOU. 
          SEE WHAT THAT IS, BECAUSE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN INCREASE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO MORE WORK, WE WANT TO DO THAT. 
          I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME, SOME OF THOSE GRANTS WITH NLC. 
          WE WANT TO LOOK AT ANY WAY THAT WE CAN BRING MONEY INTO OUR CITY TO HELP FUND THE WORK THAT WE WANT TO DO IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS. 
          AND I HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, UM, WITH ROB REGARDING THAT, TO LOOK IN, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT AS THE CITY, WE CAN TAKE DONUT BECAUSE YOU ARE A PART, A COMMISSION, YOU'RE AN UN BY LEGISLATION APPROVED COMMISSION OF THE CITY. 
          UM, JUST IN THAT NATURE ALREADY, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO MAKE A DONATION TO, OR BE ABLE TO RAISE FUNDS OR DOLLARS, THAT WOULD A DEDUCTIBLE DOLLARS INTO THE CITY BECAUSE YOU'RE ESTABLISHED AS A COUNCIL APPOINTED COMMISSION THROUGH, THROUGH LEGISLATION. 
          UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO RESTRUCTURE, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT COULD BE DONE. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT BECAUSE THE PURPOSE IS FOR GOOD PURPOSES. 
          PURPOSE FOR GOOD. 
          I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT AT ALL. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE WILL GET WE'LL, WE'LL GET WORKING ON THE DOCUMENT. 
          SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, AT THE OAKWOOD DOCUMENT, SURE. 
          THERE'S A FORMAT WHERE WE CAN BIG CHANGES. 
          HOWEVER, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT, IF THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE THINK IS THE, IS THE, IS THE BEST ONE. 
          AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS SORT OF, OKAY, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, SEND THAT BACK BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT. 
          THAT MIGHT BE THE MOST COMPLETE DOCUMENT ALREADY. 
          ONCE THAT'S DONE, WE'LL MAKE THOSE, ONCE WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT, THEN I'LL KNOW WHEN I CAN SCHEDULE THE MEETING TO THEN HAVE ANY FINAL DISCUSSION AND THEN PASSING THE LEGISLATION. 
          I CAN'T SCHEDULE THAT NOW BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET TO THAT PROCESS? MS. RADHA? UH, BASED ON WHAT I SAID EARLIER, I THINK IT WOULD BE PROBABLY, UH, WORK BEST AND BE CLEANER INSTEAD OF ANY ONE OF US BEING AT PIVOT PERSON ON IT, TO MAKE TONY THAT PIVOT, SHE GETS, IT WORKS AND SENDS IT TO US. 
          WE MAKE ANY CHANGES IN THERE. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          TONY, TONY WOULD THEN DISTRIBUTE. 
          OKAY. 
          HE ASKED TO BE THE CENTER POINT, CORRECT. 
          OR WHATEVER SHE DO WITH THAT DOCUMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEND HIM TONY. 
          IT'S MAINLY THE INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH. 
          SO ARE YOU GUYS HAVING DISCUSSIONS DIRECTLY AMONGST EACH OTHER, OUTSIDE OF A PUBLIC MEETING AND WE ALREADY HAVE THAT OR THIS YES. 
          AGENDA. 
          SO I'M HOPING TO GET THE EDITABLE ONE FROM MR. KOSKI AND THAT WILL WORK OUT AND YOU'LL HAVE IT IN THE MORNING. 
          THEY'LL PASS IT ON TO YOU ALSO IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE ONE, THE ONE OTHER THING THAT I NOTICED THAT WAS MISSING FROM ROB'S DOCUMENT IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, HE TALKS ABOUT SUPPORTING POLICIES TO FOCUS ON PROGRESSING COMMUNITY INFORMATION AND EDUCATION. 
          UM, DO WE WANT TO SUPPORT POLICIES? DO WE WANT TO CREATE POLICIES? DO WE WANT TO DEVELOP POLICIES? BECAUSE I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THERE AREN'T REALLY POLICIES THAT SPEAK TO STRUCTURAL RACISM AND DISCRIMINATION. 
          UM, AND IF THERE ARE I QUESTION WHY THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE. 
          SO SOME OF THE LANGUAGE TO ME LOOKING AT IT FROM MY LENS, I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE WITH. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, LOOKING AT IT FROM A BLACK MALES LENS, A WHITE, A BLACK WOMAN'S LANDS, LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT LENS AND ASK YOURSELF, DO WE REALLY NEED TO SUPPORT POLICY? DO WE NEED TO CREATE, DO WE NEED TO ENACT LEGISLATION? WHAT IS IT THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO TO IMPACT CHANGE? WELL, WE, UH, ALSO PROVIDE TONY THE OAKWOOD RESOLUTION. 
          IF YOU HAVE ALL THAT, THE LINKS TO THOSE THREE RESOLUTIONS WERE IN THE PACKET. 
          YOU ALSO HAVE, YOU ALREADY HAVE THE OUTPUT RESOLUTION. 
          [02:20:01]
IF IT JUST SAID YOU WERE HEIGHTS WOULD BE OKAY, YOU KNOW, OAKWOOD IS A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO THERE, BUT I LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE POPULATION THAT WE HAVE OF MINORITY RESIDENTS. 
          AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS AMAZING. 
          AND THEY ARE EMPOWERING THEIR CITIZENS TO ACTUALLY BE MEMBERS OF THEIR COALITION. 
          SO MEMBERS CAN ACTUALLY BE A PART OF THEIR DIVERSITY COALITION. 
          I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. 
          SO I LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          I LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY'VE GOT THAT FRONT OF MINE AND OAKWOOD WAS HUGE TO ME. 
          YEP. 
          THANKS RON. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          SO IF WE GO NOW TO KIND OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAD BEEN DEALING WITH BEFORE, I THINK I KIND OF TALKED TO MR. ROGERS ABOUT THIS. 
          THE, UH, WE'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH LEGISLATION ON KIND OF THE MONEY AND, UM, AND THE BUDGET. 
          UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, FROM A WEBSITE PERSPECTIVE, UM, LOOKING AT SOME THINGS, OR I NEED SOME STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT WE COULD DO. 
          THE, I HAVE KIND OF GONE THROUGH THE WEBSITE. 
          AND SO MUCH OF IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE, KIND OF THE PICTURES OF THE ROADS. 
          I THINK THERE WAS ONE OF THE FLAG RAISING CEREMONIES THAT WERE THERE. 
          THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PICTURES WHERE WE'VE GOT REAL INTERACTION WITHIN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          I DO THINK, UM, SO THINGS ARE BROUGHT UP WHEN WE WERE DOING THE WEBSITE BEFORE. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING ONE PERSON SPEAKING. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA OF MORE INTERACTIVE PICTURES, WHERE WE SEE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, WORKING TOGETHER, DOING THINGS, VOLUNTEERING, JUST WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WHERE EVEN THOUGH IT IS A BUSINESS CITY WEBSITE, IT IS MORE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE DO, WHO WE ARE. 
          AND THERE'S TONS OF VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON. 
          THERE'S LOTS OF INTERACTION. 
          UM, THE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN, UM, UH, US AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, YOU MEAN THAT THOSE THINGS ARE HAPPENING. 
          THOSE THINGS ARE GOING ON. 
          AND I DO THINK IT'D BE NICE TO SEE OUR WEBSITE, AT LEAST FROM THE PHOTOS AND THE PICTURES REFLECT WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE KIND OF SOME THINGS COME BACK FROM, FROM, FROM STAFF ABOUT WHAT, HOW WE COULD DO THAT. 
          I DON'T MEAN AN ENTIRE REVAMPING, BUT I KNOW IN MAKING A WEBSITE, THERE'S PLENTY OF AREAS FOR PICTURES ON THERE. 
          EVEN IF THERE'S A SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT A WHOLE SEPARATE SECTION ON THE WEBSITE THAT TALKS ABOUT OUR DIVERSITY IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THEN SOME EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT WE DO. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME ROOM THAT WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE SOME CHANGES IN THE WEBSITE AS RABBIT TIP, QUESTION OR COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU, MARILYN. 
          I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. 
          UH, IN SPEAKING TO YOLANDA, WE WERE ON A ZOOM MEETING, UM, UH, DURING ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, THE WEBSITE WAS BROUGHT UP AND I MENTIONED, I FOLLOWED THE WEBSITES SINCE THERE'S BEEN A CITY WEBSITE. 
          AND AT ONE TIME IT WAS A LOT MORE, IT WAS A LOT LESS FORMAL, MORE PERSON AND PEOPLE ORIENTED. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN A KIND OF SCOTTISH, ALMOST A DELIBERATE MOVE TOWARDS A MORE STERILE LOOKING BUSINESS LOOKING WEBSITE. 
          AND I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WEBSITE THAT TELLS PEOPLE OUR STORY AND LETS THEM KNOW THE, THE EXPERIENCES AND THE DIVERSITY AND THE ORGANIZATIONS AND THE THINGS WE HAVE HAPPENING. 
          UH, I'LL USE A HORRIBLE TERM HERE, BUT I LIKE TO SEE IT A LOT MORE WARM AND FUZZY THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES AMERICORPS, UH, STATED IT'S JUST HERE WE ARE. 
          HERE'S WHAT WE DO. 
          UM, CITY OFF POINT BLANK, POINT 40,000. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MORE REFLECTIVE OF THIS FABULOUS COMMUNITY WE'VE GOT GOING HERE. 
          THANKS MAN. 
          ALTHOUGH IF WE, WE MAKE OUR WEBSITE REALLY, REALLY AWESOME, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO YOUR LEFT AND RIGHT ALREADY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IF I SAY THAT IN JEST, BUT, BUT THE TRUTH IS WE ARE GROWING RIGHT NOW, UM, LIKE CRAZY. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT WHEN THE CENSUS COMES OUT AND I WOULD LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW WHEN THEY LOOK AND THEY RESEARCH AND THEY, AND THEY FIND A WEBSITE, HE WRITES ABOUT PLACES THEY WANT TO LIVE, THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS REALLY INVITING WHERE SOMEONE SAYS, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'VE HEARD OF THAT. 
          BUT ON THE LIST OF PLACES WE WANT TO GO, WHEN WE LOOK, I WANT TO GO THERE. 
          CAUSE I REALLY LIKE THE WAY I FEEL WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT WEBSITE. 
          SO, SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, LET'S LET, LET ME, LET'S JUST KIND OF LOOK IN AND SEE WHAT WE CAN SEE, WHAT WE CAN DO. 
          YES. 
          IT WAS BAKER. 
          [02:25:01]
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO ASK OUR CITIZENS TO SUBMIT A FAMILY PHOTO AND THEIR BIOGRAPHY? MAYBE YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR THREE YEARS. 
          CAUSE THE MILITARY BROUGHT YOU HERE. 
          MAYBE YOU WERE LIFELONG RESIDENT AND THIS IS YOUR PICTURE OF YOUR FAMILY. 
          WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT OUT THE CALL BECAUSE WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET IT, WHICH IS, WE ALL LOOK ALIKE HERE. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          IT'S JUST, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE THE, UM, I MEAN THE PHOTOS KIND OF ON THE, ON THE HOMEPAGE, THEY ALREADY KIND OF FLAILED, BUT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T FLIP A LOT. 
          SO I MEAN, IF WE HAD A LOT OF SUBMISSIONS, I MEAN, IT MIGHT TAKE SEVEN DAYS TO SEE YOUR PICTURE BASED ON HOW FAST THOSE PHOTOS KIND OF, UH, AND I'M NOT A WEB DESIGNER, SO I COULD BE COMPLETELY SPEAKING OUT OF, OUT OF TUNE HERE. 
          BUT I THINK CERTAINLY THAT TECHNOLOGY EXISTS. 
          WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO LOOK MEAN ANYTHING. 
          ANY OF THOSE INITIATIVES I THINK ARE JUST, ARE, I THINK ARE, ARE GOOD. 
          I THINK THEY'RE GOOD. 
          THEY'RE, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN GO WRONG BY DOING THE RIGHT THING. 
          WE'LL LOOK INTO ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND JUST HAVE THE FAMILIES, LIKE WHEN THEY SAY I WANT TO SIT MY, MY FAMILY OR MY HUSBAND, THEY WORKING ON A CAR OR PLANNING A GARDEN, THEY WOULD SIGN OFF ON. 
          YES. 
          I AUTHORIZE THIS PICTURE TO BE USED. 
          RIGHT. 
          GREAT DISCUSSION. 
          THE, UM, SO I THINK I TALKED TO, I TALKED TO TONY ABOUT THE STAFF LEADERSHIP FOR BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, DIVERSITY TRAINING. 
          UM, MR. ROGERS HAD NOTED ALSO WE ALREADY HAVE SOME HR TRAINING THAT'S AVAILABLE THAT CITY STAFF GOES THROUGH. 
          SO I THINK IT'S JUST THE CONVERSATION TO, UH, TO KATIE TO OPEN THAT UP. 
          AND I THINK THEY'RE ALL, WEB-BASED CORRECT, MR. ROGERS, THEY HAVE BEEN WEB AND SOME HAVE BEEN IN PERSON. 
          SO IT'S CERTAINLY ADAPTABLE. 
          CERTAINLY A GOOD, A GOOD START WOULD BE, UM, ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE THAT'S WEB-BASED THAT WE COULD, UM, WORK THROUGH AS, YOU KNOW, AS TIME WE HAVE AVAILABLE. 
          I THINK, I THINK THE BIG, GOOD START THIS SUMMER. 
          WE'RE I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, I JUST CALL YOUR RHONDA ADMINS. 
          I TRY TO BE, TRY TO BE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE'RE FRIENDS AND YOU'RE ON THIS. 
          SO YEAH. 
          SO ONE THING I WILL RECOMMEND WITH THE STAFF LEADERSHIP BOARDS, COMMISSIONS DIVERSITY TRAINING, WEB BASED IS FINE. 
          I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED SOME MORE INTERACTIVE TYPE TRAINING. 
          UM, IN THAT TRAINING, YOU GET TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS, YOU GET TO DO ICEBREAKERS, YOU GET TO HAVE ACTIVITIES BECAUSE WEB-BASED TRAINING IT, IT CHECKS THE BOX, RIGHT. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT JUST TRYING TO CHECK A BOX, WE'RE TRYING TO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK. 
          AND SO IN THESE TYPES OF SCENARIOS WHERE YOU'RE HAVING INTERACTION, YOU'RE ASKING EACH OTHER QUESTIONS, THERE ARE SCENARIOS THAT ARE BEING PLAYED OUT. 
          AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO, WE'RE A BIG ENOUGH CITY. 
          WE'VE GOT A BIG ENOUGH BUDGET THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING MORE THAN WEB BASED TRAINING. 
          AND I THINK SO LET'S THINK ABOUT STRATEGICS HERE, RIGHT? SO THAT ISN'T, UH, THE, THE BUDGETING PIECE OF, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          I'M THINKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY STAFF MEMBERS ALL COME TO WORK HERE EVERY DAY. 
          SO THEY'RE HERE. 
          WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE HAVE, PLUS THE COUNCIL, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SCHEDULES, TRYING TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE THAT. 
          I THINK I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE LOGISTICS OF TRYING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN WITH, WITH EVERYBODY'S DIFFERENT SCHEDULE. 
          UM, ONCE SUMMER GETS HERE, MY SCHEDULE OPENS UP PRETTY GOOD, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE IS WORKING, TRYING TO FIND, YOU KNOW, A GROUP TO COME IN AND WE ALL HAVE A DAY TO DAY. 
          I, I, AGAIN, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE CONSIST OF, BUT EVERYBODY TRYING TO MANAGE THOSE SCHEDULES TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          I SEE IT MORE OF A LOGISTIC PROBLEM THAN I DO A, UH, A MONETARY OR A BUDGET PROBLEM FROM, FROM THAT TYPE OF TRAINING. 
          SO I'M THINKING ABOUT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF, YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAPPENS. 
          SO WE START DOING SOMETHING, AT LEAST IN THE MEANTIME, WE KNOW WE HAVE THOSE WEB-BASED TRAININGS AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT. 
          AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START SCHEDULING. 
          I JUST SEE THAT AS REALLY DIFFICULT, ALL THE MEMBERS OF ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS. 
          BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THEM IN THE D AND THE JOBS THEY HAVE AND WHERE THEY WORK DURING THE DAY, SECOND SHIFT, THIRD SHIFT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SCHEDULES, UH, PEOPLE ON THE DICE. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE TOUGH FOR EVERYBODY COLLECTIVELY TO DO AND PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE HAVE THINGS LIKE THAT AVAILABLE, WE ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE AS WE CAN, SO WE CAN EXPLORE A MULTI-FACETED APPROACH WITH SOME SUGGESTION. 
          SURE. 
          WE'VE DONE IT IN A VARIETY OF FORMATS IN THE PAST. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          SO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING I THINK THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO AND THEN, UH, WE'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH, UM, I THINK IT WAS THE LAST WORK SESSION. 
          AGAIN, MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY FOR 2022 IS GOING ON JANUARY 17TH. 
          THAT'S COME THAT'S ON THE CALENDAR. 
          AND 
          [02:30:01]
THEN I WILL GET WITH, UM, IN, UNLESS THERE'S ANY ISSUES THAT I'M LIVING IN ANY ISSUES OR ANY OBJECTIONS I'LL GET WITH TONY, BECAUSE TONY PREPARES ALL OUR PROCLAMATIONS FOR, UM, FOR THE, UH, JUNETEENTH AND THEN THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE DAY, WHICH IS COLUMBUS STUDY. 
          SO TONY CAN, UH, WORK TOGETHER TO PUT TOGETHER SOME PROCLAMATIONS FOR THAT. 
          ONCE THE QUESTION I DID HAVE OUR MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL ARE THERE COVID 19 GUIDELINES THAT THE CITY HAS, UM, IN PLACE FOR FESTIVALS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          WE HAD SCOTT TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          I KNOW WE HAD SOME, SOME LOTS OF THINGS ARE CHANGING AND WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS MIGHT BE LIFTED 30 DAYS FROM NOW. 
          IT MIGHT BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN MORE THAN WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO SCOTT SURE. 
          UM, I'LL DEFINITELY GET WITH YOU ON WHAT'S CURRENT. 
          UM, WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR, WE HAD OUR FIREWORKS. 
          WE DID NOT, NOT HAVE SOME OF OUR, LIKE THE MARIGOLD FESTIVAL, BUT WE DID HAVE MOVIE NIGHTS. 
          SO THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE DID ON EACH OF THOSE, UM, SPACING AND, YOU KNOW, HAND-WASHING STATIONS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          UM, I'LL DEFINITELY GET WITH YOU AND WE'LL WORK ALL THAT OUT. 
          I THINK I READ SOMETHING WHERE THE GOVERNOR ACTUALLY MENTIONED THAT HE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO HAVE FAIRS AND THINGS LIKE THAT OVER THE, OVER THE SUMMER, GETTING BACK TO HAVING THOSE FAIRS. 
          SO I THINK THERE, I THINK A LOT OF THOSE THINGS CHANGING, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY QUICK OR PRETTY CLOSE ON THE HORIZON. 
          SO, BUT THAT'S AN EFFORT THAT'S NEVER CHANGING THINGS TOMORROW. 
          IT COULD CHANGE OR FOR THE WORST, OR YOU COULD MAKE IT ALL FOR THE BETTER TOO. 
          SO I THINK WE'LL JUST HAVE TO PLAY THAT BY EAR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          WELL, MY NAME IS JANE NEWBIE AND I AM ALSO A MEMBER OF A HEBREW HEIGHTS CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION IN MIRACLE. 
          OR I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON WHAT YOU JUST STATED AS FAR AS THE COMPLEXITY OF THE LOGISTICS, AS FAR AS HAVING DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION TRAINING. 
          WELL, I CHAIR THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE AND ONE OF THE FIRST QUARTERLY FORUMS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETIME IN THE SUMMER WILL BE HERE, WHETHER IN THE COMMUNITY ROOM AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR PHYSICALLY HERE TO HAVE THAT ONE-ON-ONE DIALOGUE, AS FAR AS THE CONVERSATIONS THAT MS.  JESS ALLUDED TO, BECAUSE YES, WEB BASED TRAINING IS GREAT, BUT FOR AN ISSUE SUCH AS RACISM AND PREJUDICE, YOU NEED TO HAVE THOSE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS, PERIOD. 
          YOU CANNOT, YEAH. 
          YOU CANNOT LEARN THAT THROUGH A WEBINAR IN A DAY OR TWO. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT POINT WAS ADDRESSED AS FAR AS HAVING THAT TYPE OF DIALOGUE. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THAT'S NOT THE PREFERENTIAL WAY TO GO. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S, IF THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE FOR MR. ROGERS TO LOOK INTO THAT AND LET US KNOW, AND THEN WE'LL CERTAINLY MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME THAT COMES AROUND, WE WON'T BE AS LIMITED TO JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 20 CHAIRS IN HERE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER SOME MEETINGS WHERE THIS PLACE WAS ABSOLUTELY PACKED, SO MAYBE WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          SO HOPEFULLY SOME OF THESE GUIDELINES DO GET A LITTLE MORE, LESS RESTRICTIVE. 
          SO, SO WE, SO WE CAN DO THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, I, I DO, I SEE THIS AS, I DON'T THINK IN MY MIND, I DON'T THINK IN ANYBODY'S MIND, WE CREATED THIS COMMISSION TO THINK, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE ALL THESE PROBLEMS AND IN A, IN A NINE MONTH TIMEFRAME, AND THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CHECK OFF THE LIST THAT THAT IS NOT AT ALL WHAT I HAD IN MIND WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT FORMING THIS COMMISSION, I THINK THIS IS A LEARNING PROCESS FOR ALL OF US AS WE, AS WE GO AND AS WE MOVE AND I THINK IT'S AN EVER EVOLVING SITUATION AND I HOPEFULLY CAN BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN CELEBRATE OUR SUCCESSES AND LOOK BACK AND SAY, OH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE DIDN'T GET THAT RIGHT. 
          LET'S GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND TRY IT AGAIN. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THAT POSITION ON LOTS OF DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE. 
          SO I MOST DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY. 
          AND DEFINITELY ON BEHALF OF THIS COMMITTEE AND THE COMMISSION, WE LOOKED DEFINITELY ENGAGED CITY COUNCIL, AS FAR AS OUR PLANS FOR THAT. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THAT POINT AS FAR AS HAVING A FORUM TO HAVE THOSE DIALOGUES AND CONVERSATIONS. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES, IT WAS BAKER. 
          OKAY. 
          I BELIEVE THERE WAS. 
          HOW MANY INITIATIVES DID YOU GIVE US RHONDA 15? I DON'T, I CAN'T KEEP, I DON'T RECALL THE EIGHT. 
          I THINK WE GOT THROUGH THE FIRST EIGHT AND WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE NEXT, THERE WAS LIKE THE BACK OF THE PAGE. 
          [02:35:01]
YEP. 
          YEP. 
          WE'RE GOING TO DO THOSE. 
          NO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY HE JUST WENT THROUGH THE, WHAT WAS LEFT WAS THE STAFF LEADERSHIP AND BOARDS FOR THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION TRAINING. 
          UM, MLK DAY WAS AN EASY ONE. 
          WE DEALT WITH THAT THE FIRST TIME AND THE NEXT IS THE TONY'S GOING TO WORK ON THE PROCLAMATIONS FOR JUNETEENTH AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY. 
          SO WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH ALL THERE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU PAGE. 
          AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS JUST RESOURCES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS A GREAT DISCUSSION. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          UH, 
          [  City Newsletter]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, J WHICH IS THE CITY NEWSLETTER, UH, WAS THAT IT WAS JUST A FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION FROM THE LAST COUNCIL WORK SESSION THAT YOU WERE AT. 
          OH YEAH. 
          WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO JUST STICK ELECTRONICALLY. 
          OR IF WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING, A MASS MAILING OF THE NEWSLETTER TO THE COMMUNITY, IS THERE ANY NEW DISCUSSION ON THAT OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE, I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE CERTAINLY, AT LEAST IN THE MEANTIME WE'VE TAKEN A GOOD STEP WITH THE ELECTRONIC NEWSLETTER. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS EVENING? UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION OR WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE THIS AND TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN IN A LATER DATE, UM, JUST, UH, THAT WE LOOKED INTO SOME COSTS. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME COSTS ON THINGS TO HELP, UH, THAT INFORMATION AND LET US HAMMOND, UM, TO DO A WATER BILL INSERTS. 
          SO A PRINTED FORMAT QUARTERLY, UM, THE PRINTING COSTS OF BLACK AND WHITE IS ABOUT $6,000 FOR THE YEAR AND DIGITAL SCAN. 
          UM, ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS PRINT IN COLOR ABOUT DOUBLES THAT, SO THE 6,000 GOES TO ABOUT 12,000 OF THAT. 
          UM, POSTAGE IS ALREADY INCLUDED WITH THE WATERVILLE, HENCE ON THE WEIGHT. 
          IT MAY GO UP A LITTLE BIT, UH, BASED ON THOSE, UM, DIGITAL NEWSLETTER. 
          WE JUST DID IT THAT WAY. 
          THERE IS A, UH, COMPUTER PROGRAM TO HAVE A HIGHER QUALITY, UH, THAT IS, UH, ABOUT, UH, $2,600 A YEAR OR TWICE $600 TO PURCHASE A PROGRAM THAT WOULD CREATE THE NEWSLETTER TO BE ABLE TO DO A DIGITAL VERSION IN A BETTER QUALITY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF WE DID A COLOR VERSION OF A NEWSLETTER THAT WENT OUT AND EVERYBODY'S WATER BILL IS ROUGHLY ABOUT A $50,000 A YEAR EXPENSE, GIVE HER GIVE OR TAKE, UH, FOR THAT WAS THAT QUARTERLY, QUARTERLY. 
          OKAY. 
          APOLOGIES. 
          THE PER RUN COST BLACK AND WHITE OF $1,500. 
          DOUBLE THAT FOR A COLOR. 
          SO $3,000. 
          SO FOR THE YEAR, SO QUARTER THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO QUARTERLY 12. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I LOOK, I, I WOULD JUST SAY, I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EXPENSE OF, UH, $12,000 FOR THE YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S INFORMED NOT, AND I GET, MOST PEOPLE HAVE CELL PHONES, LET'S SEE WE'LL HAVE COMPUTERS, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T, UM, I KNOW THERE'S ONE PARTICULAR PERSON I'VE TALKED TO. 
          UH, I'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION WITH, REGARDING COMMUNICATION TO THE CITY. 
          AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A, UM, AN ONGOING WANT AND DESIRE OF COMMUNICATION. 
          $12,000 DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT OF MONEY TO ME, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT SOMETHING PRINTED QUARTERLY THAT GOES OUT THAT, UM, THE RESIDENTS CAN SEE. 
          MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE PROACTIVE ENOUGH WITH THAT. 
          THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS HAVE A NEWSLETTER SHOW UP IN SOMEBODY'S WATER BILL AND ALL THE INFORMATION THEY'RE READING IS STUFF THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, SIX WEEKS AGO. 
          SO I THINK THAT REALLY IS THE, WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOST DIFFICULT PART ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT I THINK FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, $12,000 TO COMMUNICATE WITH EVERYBODY THAT WE KNOW IS GETTING A WATER BILL, THAT EVERYBODY IS GETTING SOMETHING IN THEIR HANDS IN THE CITY TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, TO KEEP THEM INFORMED AND UPDATED AS LONG AS WE CAN STAY AHEAD OF THAT SCHEDULE. 
          SO THEY CAN SEE THAT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT GETTING OLD INFORMATION I'M ON FAVOR OF I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ABRAHAM. 
          YES. 
          MR. WEBB, THANK YOU, MARY SCOTT, THE 2,600 WAS A, IS THAT A ONE-YEAR LICENSE OR IS THAT ACTUALLY PURCHASING A PROGRAM? UM, I BELIEVE THAT IS PURCHASING THE PROGRAM, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE, IT'S NOT AN ANNUAL THING ON IT. 
          SO ONE TIME COST, UM, IS IT HOSTED THROUGH THE CITY WEBSITE OR IS IT A STANDALONE? UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S A STANDALONE PROGRAM, LIKE A POWERPOINT, LIKE A, YOU KNOW, UM, THOSE KINDS OF PROGRAMS FOR STAFF MEMBERS TO UTILIZE. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW DO PEOPLE ACCESS THEM IN THE COMMUNITY? OH, THEY WOULDN'T ACCESS THAT PROGRAM. 
          THAT'S THE CREATION OR JUST TO CREATE A NEW ZONE. 
          WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD UTILIZE OUR WEBSITE, FACEBOOK PAGES AND DIRECT MAILING DIRECT EMAIL 
          [02:40:01]
TO ANYBODY WHO SIGNED UP FOR THOSE DIRECT FOR DIGITAL VERSIONS. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE PHYSICAL VERSIONS, IF THAT'S THE ROUTE WE GO. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE BOTH PRINT GOING OUT AND A, UM, DIGITAL VERSION AVAILABLE. 
          SO YES. 
          GOOD COMMUNICATION ALL AROUND. 
          YES. 
          I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. 
          I THINK $12,000 GIVE OR TAKE IS A GREAT INVESTMENT SO MUCH TO DO THAT. 
          IT'S NOT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT I WAS ANTICIPATING ACTUALLY, BECAUSE I WAS EVEN GOING TO SEND YOU A 50 GRAND. 
          I MEAN, THAT WAS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS TO GET THAT DONE, UM, THAT'S MORE ONLINE WHAT I WAS EXPECTING. 
          SO NOW YOU'RE $12,000 FOR THAT. 
          I MEAN, A THOUSAND BUCKS A MONTH TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR IT. 
          IT'S A NO BRAINER. 
          LET'S TRY IT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MISSED THE FIRST PART, BUT I CAME IN, UM, WHAT I HEARD AS FAR AS, UH, PUSH THAT NEWSLETTER BACK OUT AND A UTILITY WATER BILL, A GREAT IDEA. 
          I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY MISS THAT. 
          IT, I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IT WENT UP ON MY REFRIGERATOR EVERY TIME I GOT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT YOU MS. SCOTT BASICALLY SAID IT'S ABOUT $3,000 A QUARTER GIVE OR TAKE A LITTLE BIT, DEPENDING ON THE WEIGHT OF THE NEWSLETTER AND THE WATER BILL, BECAUSE THE POST IS ALREADY INCLUDED THE WATER BILLS GOING OUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IF THE WAY OF THE NEWSLETTER CHANGES, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE POSTAGE, BUT IT'S BASICALLY THREE GRAND A QUARTER. 
          I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE TO KEEP HER RESIDENTS INFORMED. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YES, FOR SURE. 
          THAT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA. 
          I KNOW WE USED TO DO IT, GOT AWAY FROM IT. 
          I KNOW WE USED TO GET A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS WHEN WE DID. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD JUST SAY THAT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN THE THRESHOLD OF AN EXPENDITURE. 
          I THINK COUNCIL IS, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WOULD NEED FOR US INTO FORMALLY LEGISLATE THAT? OR CAN YOU JUST TAKE THAT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL THIS EVENING AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN FOR THERE'S NO NEED FOR LEGISLATION IT'S WITHIN THE, UH, PURCHASING THRESHOLDS. 
          I DO WANT TO, I AM, UH, BEING, UH, CORRECTIVE, UH, THIS WILLIAMS, THE, THE COMPUTER PROGRAM, UM, IS A YEARLY LICENSE. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH AND IF IT'S CREATING THE QUALITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND EVERYTHING WE COULD STOP, IF IT'S NOT AND GO BACK TO A DIFFERENT ROUTE, BUT, UH, THE, UH, $2,600 IS A YEARLY LICENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT. 
          OR ARE WE TALKING TO A PROGRAM FOR DESIGN OF A, OF A PRINTED NEWSLETTER? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          WOULD PUBLISH OR NOT WE'RE, I MEAN, WE'RE ALREADY LICENSED ON MICROSOFT WHO WOULD PUBLISH OR NOT WORK TO ACCOMPLISH THE TASK. 
          THIS IS FOR A HIGHER QUALITY FOR THE DIGITAL VERSION AND FISCAL VERSION, UH, THEN, UH, OKAY. 
          WHAT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING SCOTT GO AHEAD AND GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF FOR HIM. 
          GREAT. 
          AND I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS, UM, YOU WANT ME TO LOOK AT, AND I KNOW THIS IS A LOT OF WORK AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF GOING, HEY, DO THIS, DO THIS, DO THIS. 
          BUT I THINK WE COULD, UM, TONY, IF YOU COULD HELP KEEP TRACK OF OUR WORK SESSIONS, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US TO STAY UP ON GOING TO GO ON THAT NEWSLETTER AND HAVE INPUT WITH THAT, TRYING TO STAY AHEAD OF THAT INFORMATION. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING I WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN AND READ ON FACEBOOK IS, HEY, THE CITY MADE $12,000 FOR INFORMATION THAT HAPPENS SIX WEEKS AGO. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT HAPPEN. 
          SO, SO WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY PROACTIVE. 
          SO I THINK THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME AGENDA ITEMS ON OUR WORK SESSION THAT WE'RE MANAGING AND KEEPING UP WITH THAT LOOKING PROACTIVE, NOT, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO GET BEHIND. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET BACK. 
          THAT'S ALL YOU ON. 
          TYPICALLY YOU'D HAVE LIKE A SCHEDULE FOR WHEN THE MAILINGS WOULD TAKE PLACE ON A QUARTERLY BASIS AND NOT A DEADLINE IN ADVANCE OF THOSE DATES TO, UH, HAVE SUBMISSIONS FOR THAT PER CIRCULAR. 
          YES. 
          AND I THINK IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS FROM EACH OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS FREE TO BE READY TO DISCUSS THAT. 
          WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME ROAD PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ON? WHAT ARE PART PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ON? YOU WERE DEVELOPING THE PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW ARE, AND NOTHING'S WRONG WITH SAYING ANTICIPATED. 
          SO IF SOMETHING FELL THROUGH IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          I'D MUCH RATHER BE IN THAT POSITION THEN TO AGAIN, PRODUCE A NEWSLETTER THAT WE PAID FOR, THAT PEOPLE ARE READING AND THEY'RE GOING OKAY, WELL, THAT'S OLD NEWS, SO YES. 
          SO OUR MEETINGS WORK SESSIONS DEPARTMENT. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BOARDS, TONY LIKE THAT ALSO THE MEETING DATES ARE, THOSE WOULD ALSO BE ON THERE. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE CERTAINLY THIS IS THE CITY CALENDAR WOULD CERTAINLY FOR UPCOMING EVENTS LOOKING AT THE NEXT QUARTER OUT, CERTAINLY HAVING A CALENDAR AND ALL THAT STUFF, COUNSEL. 
          YES. 
          OH, THAT'D BE MY, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY VIEW OF IT. 
          SURE. 
          THEY'D BE INCLUSIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO PUT ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS BECAUSE OF A LARGE NUMBER OF THEM. 
          AND THEY FREQUENTLY CHANGE. 
          IF THEY GET RESCHEDULED, SOMETHING GETS CANCELED OR THEY DON'T HAVE A QUORUM 
          [02:45:01]
AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, MAJOR COMMUNITY EVENTS LIKE THE FREE COMMUNITY SHREDDING OR, UH, YOU KNOW, 4TH OF JULY EVENTS, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT OR GREATER SIGNIFICANCE WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER TO PUT INTO A CALENDAR. 
          AND THOSE ARE MORE FIXED IN THIS FOUR, EIGHT BY 11 FRONT AND BACK ONE SHEET. 
          AND IF WE FIND THAT WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN, UH, THAT WORKS FOR IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS OF EXPANDING THAT, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT GOES INTO TO, TO FIT IT INTO THE WATER BILLS, THE RIGHT SIZING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT? OKAY. 
          NEXT UP 
          [  City Manager Search - Request For Proposals]
IS ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS THE SAME MANAGER SEARCH REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS. 
          UH, MR. ROGERS, DO YOU WANT TO KIND OF START US OFF ON THIS? WELL, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION OBVIOUSLY IN THE DAYS FOLLOWING MR. SCHIRMER'S DEPARTURE ABOUT, UH, THE SEARCH FOR A CITY MANAGER. 
          SO, UH, A MAYOR TASKED ME WITH, YOU KNOW, DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH INTO THIS. 
          I, I'VE ALSO BEEN INVOLVED WITH, UM, A NUMBER OF THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER SEARCHES WHEN THEY'VE BEEN CONDUCTED IN THE PAST. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO GO IN TERMS OF A CITY MANAGER SEARCH. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE COULD DO THAT IN HOUSE, BUT I DON'T REALLY THINK WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT FOR A NATIONAL SEARCH. 
          LIKE THE ONE THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. 
          UM, A SECOND OPTION WOULD BE TO RESEARCH FIRMS THAT DO THIS TYPE OF, UH, CITY MANAGER SEARCHES AND, UM, TO BRING A RECOMMENDATION, UM, FOR A FIRM TO COUNSEL, UH, THROUGH A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT, UM, OR, UM, TO GO OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, FOR, UH, SEARCH FIRMS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT WE GET IN TERMS OF THOSE FIRMS AND THEN, UH, EVALUATE AND VET THAT, THOSE, AND THEN SELECT A FIRM, UH, TO UTILIZE IN THAT TYPE OF SEARCH. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE. 
          UM, FOR ME, I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION, UH, ON ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS SO THAT WE COULD START, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOME TIME AND EFFORT AND RESOURCES INTO ADVANCING, UH, THAT OPTION, WHICHEVER IS SELECTED AND, UH, GATHERING SOME INFORMATION TO IDENTIFY A FIRM THAT, UH, COULD HELP US, UH, SET THE PARAMETERS FOR THE SEARCH. 
          THE COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO SEE TAKE PLACE. 
          UH, I, I, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, I THINK BEING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF IN THIS PROCESS, UH, THERE IS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON FOR US TO NOT DO EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE WE'VE LOOKED FAR AND WIDE FOR THE, FOR THE RIGHT PERSON. 
          I MEAN, I THINK I WOULDN'T SEE IT AND WE'RE CERTAINLY IN CAPABLE HANDS. 
          I DON'T SEE A REASON THAT WE NEED TO RUSH THE PROCESS. 
          SO I THINK A PROCESS OF AN RFP TO FIND THE RIGHT FIRM WHO, UM, THAT CAN COME BACK TO US, THAT WE COULD ALL LOOK AT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I, I, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS LOOKING AT IT FROM, WELL, HOW MANY CITY MANAGERS HAVE YOU HAD, WHAT EXPERIENCE IN GOVERNMENT HIRING DO YOU HAVE? WHAT IS YOUR REACH? UH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW SOME SUCCESSFUL STORIES OF CITY MANAGERS THEY HAVE FOUND, AND THEY HAVE PLACED AND PUT IN, YOU KNOW, UH, DIFFERENT POSITIONS OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, SO I, I THINK THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING OUR TIME TO MAKE SURE THIS PROCESS IS AS DETAILED AND AS THOROUGH AS POSSIBLE IN THAT RFP SELECTION, I THINK IS WHAT I THINK WOULD GET US THERE. 
          UM, WILLOW COUNSEL BEING THOUGH MRS. BIRCH. 
          AND THEN, UM, I'LL COME TO YOU, MISS ROBIN. 
          YES. 
          UM, TONY, HAVE YOU PREVIOUSLY, UH, UH, WE WE'VE DONE INTERNAL SEARCHES. 
          UH, WE'VE DONE, UH, TWICE WHERE WE HAD USED A HEADHUNTER SEARCH, UH, FROM, UH, FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND THEY BROUGHT US CANDIDATES THAT WE'VE EVALUATED. 
          UH, ONE TIME WE UTILIZED, UH, THE PUBLIC POLICY CENTER AT KENT STATE UNIVERSITY, UH, TO PERFORM THAT ROLE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE A PUBLIC ENTITY, THEY, UH, HAVE AN ABILITY TO CONTRACT WITH US AND, AND ACT IN A SEARCH CAPACITY, UH, TO HELP IDENTIFY CANDIDATES. 
          AND THAT WAS THE PROCESS THAT BROUGHT, UH, GARY ADAMS TO THE CITY. 
          SO DID WE PAY A FEE? OH YEAH. 
          YOU, YOU, YOU PAY A FEE TO THEM. 
          UH, GENERALLY IT'S A SET FEE, UH, FOR THE CONTRACT TO SEE US FROM IDENTIFYING CANDIDATES, UH, GETTING APPLICATIONS AND HELPING TO SCREEN THOSE APPLICANTS AS PART OF AN INTERVIEW PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I DID SOME PRELIMINARY RESEARCH IN, UM, THERE WERE TWO FIRMS ARE 
          [02:50:01]
TWO SOURCES THAT, UM, JUMPED OUT AND ONE OF THEM WAS CALLED I C M A N. 
          UM, THEY DO THIS SPECIFICALLY FOR GOVERNMENT JOBS. 
          AND I THINK BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S, UH, ENERGETIC, UH, INNOVATIVE, READY TO HIT THE FLOOR RUNNING BECAUSE WE'RE IN AN ECONOMIC BOOM HERE, UH, THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON SOMEONE WITH PRIOR GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE SECOND SITE, HE IS AN INTERNATIONAL CITY MANAGERS ASSOCIATION. 
          SO THAT IS A RESOURCE AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEIR FEE IS, UH, I THINK 20% OF THE FIRST YEAR SALARY OF THE, UH, THE PERSON THAT GETS HIRED. 
          UH, BUT THERE'S A SECOND SOURCE. 
          THAT'S A GOVERNMENT JOBS.COM/EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRMS. AND THEY HAVE A LIST OF OTHER COMPANIES, BUT YOU CAN GO ON THERE AND REALLY, UH, FINE TUNE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY A FEE FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S A GOVERNMENT JOBS, UH, SEARCH BOARD. 
          UH, BUT THEY DO LIST A LOT OF RE RECRUITING FOR FIRMS. AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES THAT, UM, ADVERTISE WE CAN ADVERTISE ON. 
          BUT, UM, I, I THINK THAT IF WE GO OUT WITH AN RFP, WE MIGHT END UP WITH SOMEONE THAT ARE CANDIDATES THAT, UH, DO NOT HAVE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE AND IT WOULD BE WASTING THEIR TIME MAN HOURS. 
          SO WE NEED TO KIND OF, UM, NARROW DOWN EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TO, UH, GET THE BEST CANDIDATE, THE SEARCH FIRMS LIKE THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH IN THE PAST. 
          I ASSUME IT'S THE SAME NOW, UH, WOULD HELP US, UH, IDENTIFY THE CRITERIA THE COUNSEL IS SEEKING, UH, IN A CITY MANAGER APPLICANT. 
          AND THEN THEY WOULD TARGET, UH, THEIR RECRUITMENT IN SEARCH OF APPLICANTS FOR, UH, PEOPLE WHO MEET THAT CRITERIA, WHETHER IT BE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE OR PREVIOUS WORK AS A CITY MANAGER EXPERTISE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          SO, UH, ALL OF THOSE COULD BE DEFINED, UM, WITHIN THE ENTITY THAT WAS SELECTED TO, TO ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF CRITERIA. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD GO MULTIPLE SOURCES, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF WE, IF WE WENT THROUGH ONE OF THOSE, IF WE COULD POST IT OUTSIDE OF THAT, BUT, UM, WE'D NEED TO THROW A WIDE NET OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE FIRM WOULD, UH, WORK WITH US TO DECIDE WHAT AVENUES FOR ADVERTISEMENT FOR APPLICATIONS WOULD BE, WOULD BE SOUGHT. 
          AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD JUST HELP STRUCTURE THE PROCESS AND DO SOME OF THE SCREENING, BUT MULTIPLE METHODS OF RECRUITMENT COULD BE UTILIZED EVEN WITH THE USE OF A SINGLE SURGEON. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DID YOU GET SO GOOD MR. OTTO? THE MR. WEB? YEAH. 
          UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THINKING SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR IF I MISUNDERSTOOD MS. BERG, BUT I WAS ASSUMING THEY RFP WAS TO FIND THE SEARCH FIRM. 
          AND, UM, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, I WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE EXAMPLES LOCALLY OF HOW THESE SEARCH FIRMS HAVE REALLY ACCOMPLISHED THEIR GOALS. 
          I SAT IN, I WAS A PART OF THE SEARCH FOR OUR SUPERINTENDENT. 
          I SAT ON THAT PANEL. 
          UH, I ALSO SAT WITH THE BETHEL'S PANEL ON SOME STUFF. 
          THEY DID THE SAME THING, WENT THROUGH A SEARCH FIRM. 
          AND I KNOW VANDALIA RECENTLY USED SEARCH FIRM FOR THEIR SEARCH. 
          AND I THINK THEY ALL BELIEVE THAT THEY GOT REALLY QUALIFIED PEOPLE THROUGH THOSE SEARCHES AND DID VERY WELL. 
          SO I THINK CERTAINLY THAT, THAT CASTING THAT NET THROUGH A SEARCH FIRM IS CERTAINLY OUR, OUR, THE WAY WE SHOULD GO WITH THIS TO GET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT, FRANKLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          MS. BAGEL, MR. WEBB THEN MS. BAKER, THANK YOU. 
          MA'AM UH, I JUST WANTED TO I'LL FOLLOW UP ON MR. AUTO'S COMMENT. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO DO AN RFP TO FIND THAT SEARCH FIRM. 
          I WANT TO SEE WHAT DIFFERENT SEARCH FIRMS ARE GOING TO BRING TO THE TABLE. 
          AND THEN WE, AS A COUNCIL CAN EVALUATE THOSE DIFFERENT CRITERIA WHEN THEY COME BEFORE US. 
          I WANT TO KNOW WHAT A SEARCH FIRMS TRACK HISTORY IS ALL A COMMENT TO RONDA'S EARLIER STATEMENT. 
          I WANT TO KNOW THAT THE SEARCH FIRM IS, UH, ACTIVELY SEEKING DIVERSITY CANDIDATES. 
          I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY POSSIBILITY TO GET THE BEST SEARCH FIRM. 
          THEN WE CAN MOVE INTO THE CRITERIA WE WANT TO SEE IN A CITY MANAGER. 
          I HOPE I'M UNDERSTANDING MY RIDE ON THAT. 
          YES. 
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I THINK THAT WHEN I SPOKE TO TONY ABOUT ADDING THIS TO THE AGENDA, IT WAS THE RFP FOR THE SEARCH FIRM RIGHT NOW WE'LL COME BACK AND THEN WE WILL HAVE, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND THE INTERVIEW PROCESS FOR US TO DETERMINE WHO WE'RE GOING TO USE. 
          THEN WE CAN START THE PROCESS OF HOW ARE THEY GOING TO, HOWEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DETERMINE AND WHATEVER THEIR INTERVIEW PROCESS AND CANDIDATE SELECTION PROCESS IS. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE PLACES MIGHT LOOK AT ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, I GOT THE PERFECT PERSON, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK IN, IN FACT AS WE, UM, I WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE AS WELL WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT FOR THE SCHOOLS K-12 AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SAID IS ONCE THAT POSITION CAME OPEN IN HEBREW HEIGHTS, THEY HAD A VERY GOOD IDEA. 
          LIKE I KNOW THEY WENT AFTER MR. BESARA AND SAID, HEY, WE THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU, THAT YOU'RE GONNA WANT. 
          SO THEY, THEY HAD THAT RELATIONSHIP. 
          THEY REACHED OUT AND THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW THAT CAME TO BE. 
          SO, UM, WHO KNOWS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO, BUT I THINK THE, THE SEARCH FIRM WILL WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIGURE OUT WHO THAT'S GOING TO BE, AND WHO'S GOING TO BEST SERVE THE CITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          MS. BAKER, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE OR WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE TO USE A SEARCH ENGINE, THE JOB SEARCH ENGINES, THEN THERE, WOULD THERE BE ANY BENEFIT IN, IN COLLUSION WITH A RECRUITER? I MEAN KIND OF THINK OF HOW THOSE WORK, I THINK PROBABLY WHAT ARE, WELL, I THINK WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS ONCE WE IDENTIFIED THE FIRM, WHO'S GONNA, WHO'S GOING TO DO THIS. 
          I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT GETS INVOLVED IN THE, THE DIFFERENT SEARCH ENGINES AND ALL THE DIFFERENT HEALTH VEHICLES OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GENERATE A CANDIDATE LIST. 
          PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO DEFINE THE STRATEGIES THAT WE WOULD UTILIZE AS A CITY TO DO THAT IN RECRUITMENT. 
          SO, UH, WHETHER IT BE JOB SEARCH ENGINES, UH, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS LIKE ICM OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THEY WOULD BE FACTORED IN ONE OTHER POINT. 
          I, I DID, UH, WE HAVE ABILITY TO CONTACT THE CLERKS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, THROUGH THEIR HYDRO CLERKS ASSOCIATION, THROUGH AN EMAIL BLAST. 
          AND I DID REACH OUT, UH, THE OTHER DAY TO THE CLERKS IN THAT CAPACITY. 
          AND, UH, I ALREADY HAVE, UH, FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT SAMPLE RFPS. 
          OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE USED, UH, FOR CITY MANAGER SEARCH FIRM REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS. 
          SO, UM, I'M SURE I'LL GET SOME MORE AND, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AND, AND USE THOSE AS A STARTING POINT FOR, UH, DEVELOPING AND FORMULATING THE RFP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UM, HAVING MR. ROGERS PUT THAT TOGETHER? SORRY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SOMETIMES YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WAY DOWN THERE. 
          SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOT TO SAY, I HAD TO SWITCH SEATS CAUSE THAT'S THE BROKEN SEAT. 
          DID YOU? OKAY? I KNOW I TOOK THE BROKEN ONE AND PUT IT BACK THERE. 
          MY BAR, I DIDN'T REALIZE MR. CAMPBELL HAD HIS HAND UP, SO I'M GONNA GO TO MR. CAMPBELL AND WE'LL GO TO MR. SHAWN. 
          YOU'RE BROKEN UP. 
          I AGREE WITH WHAT, UH, GLENN SAID, AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT SOME HISTORY OF IN DOING THAT. 
          I BELIEVE WE HIRE A SEARCH FIRM. 
          IF WE DO AN RFP, WE'RE GOING TO GET THE RIGHT FIRM AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THEM. 
          WE GET THAT ON THE NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA, GOING THROUGH A WORK SESSION FIRST AND CAN GET THE PROCESS STARTED. 
          SO I THINK, UM, SO TONY, YOU'LL BRING BACK THE, BRING BACK THE RFP, CORRECT FOR, YEAH. 
          I MEAN, UM, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE ONES I'VE RECEIVED IN DEPTH, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT THOSE AND NARROW THEM DOWN TO THE ONES THAT SEEM THE BEST FIT FOR US. 
          AND THEN MAYBE GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF SAMPLES TO LOOK AT, AND THEN WE'LL TWEAK THEM. 
          AND LIKE MR. CAMPBELL SAID, WE COULD, UH, EASILY THEN ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO PROCEED WITH THAT REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL PROCESS. 
          ONCE YOU GUYS WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THE, THE PARAMETERS OF THE RFP, THE ONE THING I DON'T WANT TO DO IS RUSH THIS PROCESS. 
          I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S, WE DON'T HAVE A REASON TO HAVE TO RUSH IT. 
          I THINK WE CAN, I WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BE THOROUGH IN EVERY STEP OF THE, EVERY STEP OF THAT PROCESS. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE PREPARED AND YOU HAVE THOSE READY AND YOU UNDERSTAND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, YOU BRING THEM BACK TO US. 
          WE'LL THEN I'LL REPEAT A PASS THAT RESOLUTION AND THEN WE'LL, THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE PROCESSED AS LONG AS THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, MR. SHAW. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, NO, I THINK THAT'S A, IT'S A GREAT IDEA OF GOING THROUGH THE VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, UH, OR THE CLERK'S ASSOCIATION IS A GREAT TOOL TO UTILIZE. 
          UH, OHIO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE HAS GOT A LOT OF TOOLS, NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES. 
          WE CAN GO ON FOR DAYS. 
          I THINK OUTSIDE OF LOOKING AT A FIRM AND OBTAINING AN RFP TO FIND THE BEST ONE IS GREAT. 
          I THINK WE, AS A COUNCIL ALSO NEED 
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TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT OUR LIST OF PRIORITIES OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE WAYS I'D LIKE TO START DOING THAT IS FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SURVEY OR A FEEDBACK FORUM THAT WE CAN PUT OUT A BLAST TO OUR RESIDENTS FOR 30 DAYS FOR THEM TO PUT WHATEVER THEY WANT, WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN THEIR CITY MANAGER. 
          THEN THAT FEEDBACK COMES TO THIS COUNCIL. 
          THIS COUNCIL CAN SAY, WELL, AND MY NEXT CITY MANAGER, I WANT TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FROM A DIVERSE BACKGROUND. 
          UH, THEY HAVE PREVIOUS, UH, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION. 
          THEY THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LEAVING NO STONE UNTURNED. 
          UM, I THINK USING ALL OF OUR T TO THE MIRROR'S POINT, THERE'S NO NEED TO RUSH. 
          WE, WE PULL OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          EVERY ONE OF THEM, WE USE EVERY AVENUE, ASK EVERY QUESTION, SEEK EVERY FEEDBACK POSSIBLE, OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, BE THE WHOLE NINE YARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE MAKE THAT SELECTION, THAT THAT SELECTED CITY MANAGER REPRESENTS EVERYBODY, EVERY COMMUNITY MEMBER, EVERY BUSINESS. 
          AND IT HAS ALL OF THE ATTRIBUTES THAT WE HAVE SET HERE AND DISCUSSED TIMELY THOROUGHLY AND DEBATED. 
          AND THAT IS THE CITY MANAGER, LIKE SO MANY WITHIN OUR REGION THAT WILL BE HERE FOR 20 TO 30 YEARS TO COME. 
          THAT'S MY COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY, UM, ANY OTHER FURTHER? YES, MS. BAKER, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO START THAT PROCESS NOW WITH OUR COMMUNITY BOARDS AND OUR COUNCIL AND OUR RESIDENTS NOW, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE TWO WEEKS WHEN THE NEXT MEETING IS THREE WEEKS AWAY UNTIL OUR NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, IS THAT RIGHT? THE NEXT WORK SESSION WOULD BE 33 WEEKS FROM TONIGHT. 
          AND THEN THE COUNCIL MEETING WOULD BE THE SUBSEQUENT MONDAY. 
          I PUT SOMETHING ON THE WEBSITE AND JUST ASKED FOR INPUT. 
          NOW, I THINK IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, SO THEN IT GETS DOWN TO THE ISSUE OF, OKAY, IF WE DID A, IF WE DID A SURVEY, IF WE DID ANOTHER SURVEY, UM, LIKE THE LAST TRASH SURVEY WE DID, IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEN IT'S A MATTER OF, WELL WHO BUILDS THE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, WHO PUTS THE QUESTIONS ON THERE. 
          THAT'S GOING TO GO TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND CITIZENS AND ALL THAT TO, TO DO THAT, OR IS THERE, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT ONE OF THE FIRMS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ASSIST US WITH THAT AS PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ELEMENTS TO THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH, UM, FROM EARLY ON INPUT, UH, THROUGH HAND WRITTEN SURVEYS TO, UH, AS WE NEAR TO, TO A FINAL POOL OF CANDIDATES, WE HAD A RECEPTION AND THEN THE COMMUNITY WAS INVITED TO COME IN AND MEET THE, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE IN THE FINAL RUNNING, UH, TO GIVE THEIR INPUT BEFORE COUNCIL MADE A FINAL DECISION. 
          SO I LOVE, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THAT PROCESS. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT JUNCTURES AT WHICH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE PREMATURE TO IMMEDIATELY START. 
          SO I THINK, YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I THINK WHAT WE WOULD FIND IS IN THE RFP, I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO IS BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND THEN LET THE SEARCH FIRM, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, BE VERY SPECIFIC TO THE STRATEGY THEY WOULD USE. 
          AND THEN WE MIGHT SEE THAT THERE IS A FIRM THAT SAYS, NO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE'RE GOING TO HOLD, UM, COMMUNITY ZOOM MEETINGS ON TUESDAY NIGHTS AND WEDNESDAY NIGHTS FOR THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS. 
          AND PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN AND HAVE COMMUNICATION AND TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          THEY MIGHT SAY, HAVE COMMUNITY FORUMS IN HERE WHERE WE'RE GOING OPEN UP TO PEOPLE, COME IN AND TALK. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN WE DID THE SUPERINTENDENT SEARCH, THAT'S ALL WE DID. 
          WE HAD GROUPS OF PEOPLE WE ALL MET AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND WE SAT DOWN IN GROUPS AND THERE WERE LISTS OF THINGS. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THE ATTRIBUTES OF THE PERSON AND THEIR CHARACTER AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WAS ALL PART OF THE K-12 WAS THE NAME OF THE SEARCH FIRM. 
          UM, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS ALL PART OF THAT PROCESS. 
          AND IT WAS VERY COMMUNITY ORIENTED. 
          AND I LOVE THAT IDEA. 
          I THINK MOST OF US LEARNED A NEW WORD IN 2017 AND WE CAN HAVE CHARRETTES REMEMBER THAT ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR COMMUNITY INPUT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I REMEMBER THAT ONE  SURVEY DESIGN CHARRETTES WHERE JUST GOT TOGETHER AND PLACE A LITTLE DOTS ON, OH YEAH, NO, WE HAD ALL WE, YEAH, WE HAD ALL OF OUR BOARDS UP HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT LIKE THE CITIZENS AND THEN, UM, BUT I DO THINK IT'S FAIR TO, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING, BE THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU LIKE AS INPUT AND ASK THE STAFF, ASK THE BOARDS AND PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE CITIZENS 
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TO START HEARING AND START THINKING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE IS A NEED, BELIEVE IT OR NOT FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING, MR. ROGERS, IF YOU WOULD, UH, PLEASE STATE THE REASONING FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, THREE DIFFERENT REASONS FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING. 
          UH, THE FIRST IS, UH, PERSONAL MATTERS TO CONSIDER THE, UH, COMPENSATION OF A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE. 
          UH, THE SECOND IS TO CONSIDER THE SALE OR OTHER DISPOSITION OF UNNEEDED PROPERTY BY COMPETITIVE BIT. 
          AND THE LAST IS TO, UM, CONSIDER CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION RELATED TO THE MARKETING PLAN, SPECIFIC BUSINESS STRATEGY, PRODUCTION TECHNIQUES, TRADE SECRETS, OR PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF AN APPLICANT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE, WHERE THE INFORMATION IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE REQUEST FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM ASSISTANCE. 
          UNDER ONE OF THE LISTED PROGRAMS IN ORC SECTION ONE 21.22 G A A AND UH, JUST A REMINDER. 
          THE THIRD REASON FOR GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION DOES REQUIRE THE UNANIMOUS VOTE OF COUNCIL TO DO SO FOR THAT REASON. 
          OKAY. 
          WITHOUT RESTATING ALL OF THAT. 
          EVERYONE HEARD THAT MOTION. 
          UM, MR. WEBB, I'LL ALSO MOVE. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? MS. BAKER? SECOND. 
          YES. 
          SECOND, MR. ROGERS. 
          MS. BAKER. 
          YES. 
          MR. CAMPBELL. 
          YES. 
          MRS. OKAY. 
          YES. 
          MR. OTTO? YES. 
          MR. LYONS? YES. 
          MR. HILL. 
          MR. WEBB. 
          YES. 
          MR. SHAW? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES A ZERO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL ASK EVERYBODY ELSE TO CLEAR THE ROOM. 
          UH, YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT YOU'RE ALSO FREE TO GO HOME. 
          OKAY. 
          EVERYONE. 
          IT IS 10 50 AND WE HAVE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC ACTION ITEMS TAKEN. 
          UH, THIS MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED.
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