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BUT TODAY

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IS MARCH 2ND, 2021.

[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]

THIS IS THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION OF THE, SEE IF HE WERE HEIGHTS HYBRID IN PERSON.

AND, UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER MR. ROGERS CALLS.

MR. SHAW HERE, THIS BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL, MR. CAMPBELL.

WE'RE NOT HEARING THEM CHANGE.

SPEAKERS CHANGED AGAIN.

NOW THIS IS MERGE HERE, MR. OTTO HERE.

MR. LYONS EAR, MR. HILL HERE.

MR. WEBB, MR. WEBB.

YOU'RE VIEWED IT.

YOU'RE ON MUTE MICROPHONES, MUTED AMERICORPS HERE.

YEAH, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, UM, A COMMERCIAL FOR, UH, FOR A VERIZON COMMERCIAL HERE.

YEP.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? EXCUSE ME, MARY? YES.

THANK YOU.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME TO AMEND TONIGHT'S AGENDA TO I'D ADD ITEM THREE F A DISCUSSION OF THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER.

2021.

IS THERE A YES, LET'S READ IT A SECOND THEN.

OKAY.

ANY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO ADDING A ITEM THREE F TO DISCUSS THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER FOR 2021? OKAY.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT BEFORE WE TAKE A BIT? OKAY.

MS. ROGERS, MS. BAKER? YES.

MR. CAMPBELL.

YES.

MRS. BERGE? YES.

MR. OTTO? YES.

MR. LYONS? YES.

MR. HILL.

YES.

MR. WEBB, MR. WEBB, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, YES.

RIGHT.

DO YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THE MOTION? I'M SORRY, TONY.

I HAD TO LOG OUT AND BACK ON TO GET MY VOLUME.

SO I'M MISS THOUGH.

IT'S A MOTION TO, UH, AMANDA AGENDA TO ADD ITEM THREE, AF A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 20, 21 SEASON FOR THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER.

YES.

AND MR. SHAW? YES, CAPE.

SO MOTION DOES CARRY H ZERO.

SO WE WILL ADD ITEM THREE F ROSE MUSIC CENTER

[2. Approval of Minutes]

PICKS UP AS I, NUMBER TWO, WHICH HAS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

UH, TWO EIGHT IS THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 16, 2021.

THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS, CORRECTIONS ON THOSE MINUTES, IF NOT, THEY WILL STAND AS APPROVED AND NOT SAYING ANY OF THOSE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 16TH WILL STAND AS APPROVED.

NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR TOPICS OF DISCUSSION FOR NIGHT'S WORK SESSION

[ City Manager Report]

AND ITEM THREE A IS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT.

WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THAT, ROB.

OKAY.

I HAVE, UH, SEVERAL ITEMS TONIGHT, SO I WANTED TO START OFF.

I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN BRIEFLY.

ONE WOULD THINK, EH, HERE IT COMES.

THERE IT IS.

OKAY.

LET'S SEE IF I MAKE THAT BIGGER.

HERE WE GO.

AH, W WE HAD A DISCUSSION.

I SAID THAT WE WERE GIVEN UPDATE REGARDING THE, UM, GRANITE DISCUSSION, UH, FOR THE VETERANS MEMORIAL.

UM, AS YOU RECALL, WE HAD A CERTAIN SPEC OF GRANITE THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS CALLED OUT, UH, DUE TO THE INTRICACY OF SOME OF THE IMAGING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, ON THE MONUMENTS ITSELF, UH, SOME HAVE SOME DISCUSSION IN SOME CONSTERNATION REGARDING, UH, IT BEING SOURCED FROM ANOTHER CONTINENT, UH, HAS, HAS COME UP AND WE WANTED TO SHOW AND DISPLAY AND DEMONSTRATE WHY, UH, THE PARTICULAR GRANITE OF THAT,

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UM, OF THAT ORIGIN WAS PICKED AND HAS BEEN PICKED ON SEVERAL OTHER MONUMENTS, UH, SOME FEDERAL, SOME MILITARY, SOME LOCAL AND EVERYTHING.

UM, AND, UM, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS A GRANITE FROM, UH, SOURCED HERE WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.

THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED BLACK.

GRANTED THERE'S TWO TYPES, THERE'S A MAASAI AND THERE'S ACADEMY, UM, FROM THIS PARTICULAR QUARRY AND WHAT YOU SEE THERE.

UH, AND I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A CLOSER PICTURE, UH, THE TYPE OF ENGRAVING THAT OCCURS BECAUSE OF THE VEINING AND THE FLAKES AND FLEX WITHIN THE GRANITE, ALTHOUGH IT'D BE A BLACK, UH, WHEN IT'S ENGRAVED IT, IT'S PIXELATED BASICALLY.

SO IT, IT STANDS GOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, LARGE LETTERS AND ENGRAVING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT'S A PIECE OF, UM, UH, SOLID BLACK GRANITE THAT WOULD BE SOURCED FROM, UM, FROM THE ASIAN CONTINENT AND THAT, UM, THAT IS VERY SUITABLE FOR HIGH DETAILED TYPE OF ETCHING.

UH, THERE'S A, ANOTHER PHOTO THAT DOESN'T LIKE TO GO THROUGH.

THIS IS A, UM, UH, NAVAL AVIATION, UH, MONUMENT, UH, SOURCE OF THAT TYPE OF GRANITE WITH THE, UM, DETAILED LASER ETCHING.

UH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IMAGE OF THE TYPE OF GRANITE THAT WOULD BE SOURCED, UM, UH, IN THE STATES OR NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT.

UH, AND AGAIN, AS YOU SEE, UM, IT'S, IT BECOMES PIXELATED.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS, UH, ALTHOUGH VERY ORNATE AND VERY NICE PIECE OF GRANITE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SPEC.

UH, IT JUST DIDN'T MEET THE SPEC.

THIS IS AGAIN THE, UH, THE BLACK GRANITE.

AND, UH, THERE IS ONE OTHER PHOTO, I BELIEVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE, UM, OF THE SOURCE GRANITE FROM, UH, FROM OVERSEAS, UH, MR. AL GRIGGS PROBABLY SET IT RIGHT, AND I HAVE TO REPEAT WHAT HE SAYS, ALTHOUGH WE, WE DO APPRECIATE AND AGREE.

THE FACT THAT HAVING SOMETHING ALL AMERICAN MAIDEN IS, IS BENEFICIAL, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, PAYS TRIBUTE TO OUR SOLDIERS.

UH, HOWEVER IT WASN'T CHINA THAT MADE THIS GRANTED.

IT WAS GOD, AND IT'S A NATURALLY SOURCED, UM, UH, UH, ELEMENT OF THE EARTH AND THAT, ALTHOUGH IT RESIDES IN THAT CONTINENT, IT IS NOT A PRODUCT OF CHINA.

IT'S A, IT'S A PRODUCT OF THIS EARTH AND OF GOD.

SO THAT IS A, I THINK VERY, VERY WELL-STATED AND SPOKEN.

AND ALTHOUGH THAT, UM, THE, THE OWNERS OF THAT LAND HAVE THE ABILITY TO SOURCE IT AND, UH, AND BRING IT FROM THE EARTH.

IT IS NOTHING BUT AMERICANS THAT WILL RECEIVE IT AND GRAVE IT AND PLACE IT, UH, HONOR IT AND COMMEMORATE IT.

THERE ARE, UM, SEVERAL OTHER MONUMENTS, UH, OF SIMILARLY SOURCED, UH, NATURAL RESOURCES THAT ARE USED ALL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

AND, UM, WE HAVE CERTAINLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT UTILIZE THIS PARTICULAR SPEC, UH, BUT THE DETAIL AND THE END RESULT OF WHAT WAS DESIGNED WILL BE AFFECTED, UH, AND, OR MAY REQUIRE KIND OF A REDESIGN OF THE ART PIECES.

AND I WILL REMIND ALSO, UH, EVERYBODY THAT WE ARE ON A TIMELINE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE STILL WAITING TO FINALIZE AND SIGN AND ALLOW THESE LEASINGS TO GET GOING.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE ARE AN AGREEANCE THAT WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORIGINALLY SOURCED GRANTED, UM, THEN WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, UH, WHAT THAT SPEC, UM, BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE AND BEGIN A PROJECT, UH, THAT IS NOT, UM, I GUESS, AGREEABLE OR ACCEPTED OR PLEASURED BY CERTAINLY COUNCIL OR, UH, OR ANYBODY ELSE INVOLVED.

THERE'S ONE ITEM OF UPDATE.

I'M SURE WE CAN, UH, DISCUSS THAT IN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IF WE NEED TO ROB.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST REAL QUICK, I THINK IT'S, I THINK YOU SAID IT BEST WE'RE ON A TIMELINE.

SO I THINK, UM, BRING UP THAT DISCUSSION, AT LEAST AT THE WORK SESSION, ALL THAT INFORMATION'S ALREADY BEEN ALLOWED THROUGH LEGISLATION, CORRECT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, OF, OF THE SOURCING OF IT.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PUT THE COUNCIL WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN PUT THAT TO BED, OR IF WE, UH, OR IF COUNCIL DESIRES TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.

AND, UM, AND LET'S JUST LET STAFF MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE GOING TO DO, BUT LET'S MAKE THAT DECISION JUST ROLLING.

YEAH.

EXCUSE ME.

I WOULD JUST SAY ROB THAT IF, UH, ALL THINGS WERE EQUAL, UH, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A DOMESTIC GRANTED WOULDN'T BE A QUESTION.

YEAH.

IF WE CAN GET A BETTER PRODUCT, UM, UH, SIMILARLY BETTER PRICING OR WHATEVER, THEN THAT'S FINE.

I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, IF, IF WE GOT TO GET A SUBPAR PRODUCT TO GET IT SOURCED MORE LOCAL THAN I WOULD SAY THAT I'D PREFER TO HAVE THE BETTER PRODUCT AS WELL.

YEAH.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SAY SUBPAR, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT PRODUCT, UH, WHERE IT'S SOURCED, UH, W WITHIN NORTH AMERICA, IT'S JUST THE, THE TEXTURE AND THE ABILITY TO LASER EDGE AND HAVE THE CONTRAST OF, UH, THE VERY INTRICATE DETAILS OF THE IMAGING THAT WAS SCOPED OUT IN, IN IMAGES.

WHAT MAKES THAT

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PARTICULAR, UH, SELECTION THAT THE RIGHT CHOICE AND THE RECOMMENDED A BETTER FIT FOR OUR PROJECT IT'S FIT FOR THAT PROJECT? ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY.

MS. BERTRAM? YES.

UH, SINCE COUNSEL'S ALREADY APPROVED TO ALL THE, UH, LEGISLATION, WHEN YOU TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, I WOULD REQUEST IT, UH, UH, OUR CITY MANAGE YOUR RELEASE, OUR AWARD, THE CONTRACT WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO WE DON'T LOSE ANOTHER DAY ON GETTING THIS MEMORIAL ABOUT.

OKAY.

YEP.

THAT'S THE DISCUSSION THAT I WANTED TO HAVE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, UM, MORE OBJECTIONS THEN THAN NOT IN, REGARDING TO LETTING STAFF MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, WITH THE PROJECT AS IT IS.

SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UH, ASIAN SOURCE SCREEN? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UM, ROB, I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO, UH, TO COLD SPRINGS AND WE HAVE VALIDATED THAT THE GRANITE AVAILABLE AND THE THREE US-BASED GRANITE QUARRIES, AS WELL AS CANADA WILL NOT MEET THE SPECS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

WHAT YOU SAW WAS ACTUALLY COLD SPRING GRANITE.

SO, AND, AND I GUESS I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT WE HAVE MADE SURE THAT ALL FOUR NORTH AMERICAN QUARRIES HAS BEEN REVIEWED, AND IT IS NO WAY POSSIBLE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO GET THAT QUALITY HERE.

OKAY.

THE PEOPLE THAT RESEARCHED IT AND SCOPED IT OUT TO THE SPEC FOR THE DETAIL THAT WE HAVE, THAT IS THE GRANITE.

AND THAT'S THE SAME REASON THAT THAT GRANITE IS USED ON MULTIPLE OTHER MONUMENTS WITH SIMILAR TYPE OF LASER ETCHING IN DETAIL, UM, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF IMAGING.

AND, UM, THAT IS WHAT IS RECOMMENDED DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T USE THE OTHER TYPE.

IT JUST MEANS THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK THE SAME.

AND IF WE WANT IT TO LOOK AS IT IS, THEN THAT IS THE GRANITE THAT HAS BEEN AND SCOPED.

UH, AND THAT IS THE SPOT THAT IT IS AVAILABLE.

AND THE OTHER LOCATIONS TO SAY THAT THERE'S NOT GRANT AVAILABLE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SALESMAN FROM THAT INDIVIDUAL COMPANY SAY, OH, NO, OUR GRANT IS THERE AS WELL.

IT WAS, IT WAS EXAMINED.

IT WAS LOOKED AT, AND THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE ENGRAVING THAT DON'T SELL THE GRANITE ARE THE ONES THAT, UM, CREATE THE, UM, UM, THE, THE SPEC ON WHAT THEIR WORK PRODUCT AND WHAT THEIR DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ARE.

UM, IT TURNS OUT BEST ON, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE MARY, IF I, IF I MAY CONTINUE.

UM, I, I GUESS MY BOTTOM LINE QUESTION IS WHEN WE, AS THIS COUNCIL APPROVED THIS PROCESS TO GO THROUGH AND ALLOW LWCC TO DO THE, UM, KIND OF AFTER BID QUESTIONING, UM, IT WAS SAID AT THAT TIME THAT THERE WAS NO NORTH AMERICAN QUARRIES THAT COULD PRODUCE THIS, THEN AFTER SOME LATER COMMUNICATION BETWEEN MYSELF AND I BELIEVE, UH, SCOTT MCCALSKY HAD RECEIVED SOME COMMUNICATION FROM A VENDOR WHO SAYS, YES, WE DO HAVE THREE US AND ONE, UM, CANADA BASED DID LWCC MAKE THAT, UM, A SECOND REVIEWER, WAS THAT DONE HERE IN MY CITY? YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS DONE COLLECTIVELY.

AND THAT EMAIL, YES, NOTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID IS UNTRUE.

THERE IS BLACK GRANTED AVAILABLE, BUT IT LOOKS DIFFERENT AND IT ENGRAVES DIFFERENT AS I INDICATED.

SO IF WE WANTED THE LESS VEINY, LESS SPECKLED, A TRUE BLACK GRANTED, IT'S AN ACTUAL RESOURCE OF A PARTICULAR REGION OF THIS COUNTRY.

AND THAT IS WHAT WAS SPECKED OUT IN ORDER TO HAVE THE APPEARANCE AND RESULTS THAT WE DESIRED.

UM, NOT TO SAY THAT OTHER GRANTED CAN'T BE USED.

AND AS I SAID, OTHER SALESPEOPLE IN OTHER COMPANIES MIGHT ARGUE THAT FACT, BUT IT COMES DOWN TO THE, JUST LIKE AN INTERIOR DESIGNER PICKING A PARTICULAR PAINT BECAUSE THE SHADE AND THE COLOR OF THE BLUE IS WHAT IS ASKED OF FROM THE CLIENT.

UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WE'RE WHAT, WE'RE WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH MARY IN LIGHT OF THE INFORMATION AT HAND.

I STILL STAND IN OBJECTION.

HOWEVER, AS I SEE THAT I MAY BE THE LONE OBJECTION AT THIS TIME.

UM, I WILL WITHDRAW MY OBJECTION JUST IN ORDER TO MOVE THIS PROJECT, HALAL DISCUSSION, ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS.

OKAY.

WE'RE ALL GONNA MAKE IT HAPPEN.

OKAY.

THANKS EVERYONE.

AND I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT THAT'S THE INITIAL WANT TO GET OFF THE TABLE HERE? YES.

MR. CAMPBELL, OOPS.

YES.

A ROB UP.

I COULDN'T FIND MY HAND TO HOLD, HOLD UP.

GOING BACK TO THE GRANITE ISSUE, WHAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? UH, WE RECOMMEND GOING WITH THE, UH, THE SUGGESTED

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SPECKED OUT PRODUCT THAT WAS PART OF THE DESIGN.

AND THAT WAS DEVELOPED THROUGH THE COURSE IN THE PROCESS OF THE, UH, OF THE BID AND THE AWARDED CONTRACTOR THAT, UH, WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

AND HAS THE VETERANS COMMITTEE, UH, BEEN BRIEFED ON, ON THIS TO THE LEVEL OF BEHALF? YES.

YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THEIR RECOMMENDATION IF THEY HAVE ONE? UH, THEY, UH, AGAIN, I JUST INDICATED THE COMMENTS FROM MR. GRIGGS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HE SAYS, WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, UH, A, UH, PRODUCT CREATED BY GOD, NOT BY A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE AS A NATURAL RESOURCE.

AND, UM, UM, IN FACT, MR. OR MS, MR. MUSSOLINI WHO GAVE THE PRESENTATION, UH, FOR THE ACTUAL, UH, DONATION ACTUALLY INDICATED THAT THEY USE THE SAME SOURCE FOR A, UH, A PROJECT THAT HE WAS WORKING ON.

UH, AND IT DESCRIBED THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS OF SOME OF THE ENGRAVING QUALITIES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S BEAUTIFUL GRANITE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD.

AND THE, UM, UH, THE, THE CONTRAST PROVIDED FOR THIS PARTICULAR SPEC IS, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT HE'S FAMILIAR WITH AS WELL TOO.

SO WHAT I HEARD ORIGINALLY WAS AL GRIGGS HAD AN OPINION, BUT AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THE VETERAN'S COMMITTEE'S OPINION, OR IS THAT HIS OPINION? WELL, THAT WAS AT A VETERANS, UM, UH, MEETING.

SO IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST VETERANS COMMISSION MEETING THE UPDATE ON THAT, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED REGARDING, UH, THE SOURCE, IT WAS EXPLAINED.

AND, UM, AGAIN, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE HAPPY TO SEE THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.

I CAN'T SAY THAT THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION, UH, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THEY JUST UNDERSTOOD AND APPRECIATED THE INFORMATION.

AND, UH, DIDN'T DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONTINUED OBJECTION, QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, BASICALLY BECAUSE OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS BEING SHARED, THAT WE'RE CHOOSING TO USE, UH, CHINESE PRODUCTS AND STUFF, AMERICAN PRODUCTS, WHEN THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF MISINFORMATION.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE GOING BY, UH, WHEN THE QUESTION WAS ORIGINALLY ASKED AND NOT PUTTING WORDS IN A RICHARD CHARLES' MOUTH, BUT IF WHAT I'M HEARING RICHARD SAY IS THAT HE'S DISAPPOINTED THAT WE HAVE TO OUTSOURCE THIS TO CHINA.

I TOTALLY AGREE, BUT I THINK I HEARD RICHARD SAY THAT HE'S OKAY WITH IT TO MOVE THE PROJECT ALONG.

AND IF THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD HIM TO SAY, I FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.

AND IF I MAY REITERATE, I WOULD SAY, UM, A FEW CHOICE WORDS ABOUT USING CHINA PRODUCT ON A, UH, ON A VETERAN MEMORIAL.

UM, BUT YES, TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN, IN ORDER TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD, UM, AND TO PROVIDE THE VETERANS OF THIS REGION AND OUR CITY OF THE, UH, HONORED RESPECT, UM, I WILL TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE VETERANS COMMITTEE AND MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.

UH, BUT MY OBJECTION STILL STANDS REGARDING THE GRANTED.

HOWEVER, I'M NOT GOING TO FIRST FORCE IT FURTHER TO DELAY THE PROJECT.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I CAN'T DISAGREE AND I'M, AND I'M GLAD WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD TONIGHT.

THANK YOU.

LET'S WRAP IT UP.

THANKS.

UM, I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON TOES OR ANYTHING, BUT I WAS AT THE LAST MEETING OF THE VETERANS, UH, COMMISSION.

AND, UM, THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC.

IN FACT, I HAD MADE COMMENT TO A COUPLE AFTER THE MEETING WAS OVER THAT THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL DELAY BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT US SOURCE MATERIALS VERSUS CHINESE.

YEAH, WE, WE, WE DISCUSSED THE, UH, THE DETAIL IN THE SPEC OF THE TYPE OF, UH, DETAILED FOR THE GRANITE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT BEFORE THIS LAST MEETING.

YES.

I SAT RIGHT BACK THERE AND SAID IT.

I KNOW, I KNOW YOU WERE SITTING IN FRONT OF ME.

I DON'T RECALL THAT CONVERSATION THOUGH, ON THE MEMORIAL, BUT OKAY.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

I THINK THEY HAVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION GO WITH THAT RIGHT

[ City Newsletter]

NEXT UP.

OH, YOU HAVE OTHER ITEMS ON YOUR .

YEP.

UH, NEXT IS A NEWSLETTER.

UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN, THERE'S A, UM, ELEMENT OF THE NEWSLETTER THAT WE'RE UTILIZING THE WEBSITE FOR A SIGNUP AND DISTRIBUTION, UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CHECK IT OUT, UM, PLEASE DO.

SO I THINK, UH, THAT IT WAS, SARAH DID A GOOD JOB AND, UH, GETTING A PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY BUILD ON, AND IT'LL BE VERY EASY FOR RESIDENTS TO, UH, SIGN UP FOR AND, UM, AND HAVE DISTRIBUTED AS WE, AS WE PUBLISH IT AND CONTINUE BUILDING THAT NEXT ITEM IS, DID THAT GO AWAY?

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I'M GOOD.

UH, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN, UH, REALLOCATING, THE CDBG MONEY THAT WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY FOR THE MARION, UM, UM, MEADOWS DEMO PROJECT.

UH, AS WE TALKED ABOUT MOVING INTO THE TIMELINE FOR THE NEXT AWARD FOR THAT CDBG TO PICK BACK UP, UM, IN THE TIMELINE FOR THE LAND BANK FOR ACQUISITION OF SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES IN MIAMI VILLA, UH, IN VR PC, UH, DENIED OUR, UH, CHAMBERSBURG WEST PROJECT.

UH, WE MISSED IT BY THREE POINTS.

UM, BUT IN THE TIMELINE OF THINGS, BASED ON SOME OF THE PROSPECTIVE DEVELOPMENT THAT MIGHT OCCUR DOWN THERE, UH, WITH THEIR WIDENING OF THE ROAD, THE TIMING OF IT MIGHT BE ACTUALLY GOOD TO HAVE IT, UM, IN, IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR CYCLE.

SO, UM, WE DON'T SEE TOO MUCH HARM IN THAT, AND IT SHOULDN'T, UH, UM, OBSTRUCT US TOO MUCH FROM KEEPING ON TO THAT, TO THAT PROJECT.

AND THE OTHER END ODAT IS AGAIN ASKING FOR YET MORE INFORMATION FOR THE CHAMBERSBURG EAST PROJECT, UH, THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED, UH, THE UPDATED INFORMATION FOR THAT MCRPC HAS IN FACT, UM, APPROVED AND BECAUSE, OH, DOT CREATED A DELAY IN THAT, THAT ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF THE CAUSES OF REDUCTION OF POINTS FOR OUR CHAMBERSBURG WEST, UM, APPLICATION.

UH, SO WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL RESOLVE THAT AND GET OUR APPROVAL WITHIN THIS TIMELINE.

UH, BUT WE, UH, THAT'S STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS.

UH, SPEAKING OF PROJECTS, BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD WILL BE CLOSED STARTING NEXT WEEK FOR ABOUT 120 DAYS FOR THE CULVERTS AND THE ROAD WIDENING, UM, UH, PROJECT THERE BETWEEN FITCHBURG AND CHAMBERSBURG, UH, CHAMBERSBURG STEROIDS FOR JUST ABOUT THE SAME TIME.

UH, WE'LL BE CLOSED BY ODAT FOR ABOUT FIVE MONTHS FOR BRIDGE TRUST REPLACEMENT THERE.

UH, AND THAT PROJECT IS COMING UP.

WE ALSO ARE STARTING OUR BUS SHELTER, UH, INSTALLATION, UH, THEY'RE, UH, CREATING, INFORMING SOME OF THE PADS TO, UH, TO GET THAT, UH, GOING FOR THE NINE ADDITIONAL BUS SHELTERS THAT WE'LL BE INSTALLING.

UH, IF YOU RECALL, WE GOT A GRANT TO GET POWER COTS FOR THE MEDICS.

THOSE WILL BE INSTALLED AND BROUGHT IN NEXT WEEK.

UH, THE GRANT THAT WAS APPLIED FOR, FOR THE TRAILS AT THE PARK OFF OF LONGFORD, UM, HAS BEEN DELAYED IN ITS ANNOUNCEMENT.

AGAIN, IT'S HOPEFUL THAT THEY WILL, UH, MAKE THOSE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND DECISIONS NEXT MONTH.

THERE'S NOT BEEN DENIALS, IT'S JUST BEEN DELAYS, UH, WHICH WE HAVE.

UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE A KIND OF A COMMON THING AS PEOPLE ARE, ARE READDRESSING THEIR PHYSICALS FOR, FOR THIS YEAR.

UH, CONSEQUENTLY EPA HAS DELAYED, UH, THEIR DECISION FOR OUR, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT THEY, UH, AT THE MUSIC CENTER, UH, WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DELAY TIME, BUT IT WILL BE NOTIFIED, UM, WHEN THEY MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT, BUT THAT HAS BEEN DELAYED.

UM, SPEAKING OF THE EPA, WE ARE GOING TO BE, UM, REQUIRED TO DO A TEST OF OUR WELL NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS WELL, THAT WAS ADDED, UH, WHEN WE DID THE WATER SOFTENING, IT'S A 76 HOUR LONG TEST THAT, UH, REQUIRES US TO PUMP ABOUT 12 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER AND WASTED INTO THE RIVER.

UM, IT'S GOING TO COST US ABOUT $72,000 TO HAVE THE TEST DONE.

IT'S GOING TO COST US AN ADDITIONAL 15,000 TO ACTUALLY DO THE TEST.

UH, AND THAT WILL ALSO NECESSITATE THE CLOSING OF RIPRAP ROAD DURING THAT 76 HOUR TESTING PERIOD, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PUMP THE WATER IN A PIPE ACROSS THE ROAD AND INTO THE RIVER RATHER THAN FLOODING THE LAND.

SO THE PURPOSE OF THE TEST IS TO SEE THE EFFECT OF THAT WELL, WORKING AT FULL AND OVER CAPACITY ON THE REST OF THE WELLS TO SEE IF, UH, THE HIGH USE OF THAT WOULD DRAW DOWN THE ACCESSIBLE WATER FROM THE OTHER FIVE WELLS.

SO, UM, IT'S JUST A NECESSARY THING THAT IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE, UH, THE TESTING.

UM, WE'VE ASKED, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS IF WE CAN AVOID WASTING THE WATER, UH, WHERE WE COULD INCREASE PRODUCTION TO THE PLANT FROM THAT WELL SOLELY.

SO AS TO NOT, UM, BASICALLY RUN OFF 12 MILLION GALLONS, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THE OTHER WELLS REMAIN FUNCTIONING AS THEY ARE, AND SEE WHAT EXTRA USE DRAWS DOWN THAT.

SO, UH, PART OF THAT REQUIREMENT, AND WE'LL BE FINE.

WE'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO CONDUCT AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING WALKING PATHS AND TOM CLOUD PARK FOR THE RESURFACING PROJECT.

UH, THE WALKING PATHS WERE, UH, IT WAS PART OF A GRANT TO RESURFACE THOSE, UH, BUT THAT WILL BE DELAYED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO CONDUCT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FOR, UM, FOR THE FURBISHED, NONE OF THE EXISTING PATHS.

UM, WE'VE GOT SOME BID OPENINGS, FRIDAY'S BID OPENING FOR THE STREET AND SIDEWALK PROGRAM.

SO WE WILL START TO SEE THAT OPENING AND THEN, UH, SCHEDULED TIMELINES FOR THAT.

THE FOLLOWING FRIDAY WILL BE THE WATER AND SEWER LINING PROJECT THAT WE, UH, THAT WE APPROVED.

UH, AND THE FOLLOWING FRIDAY AFTER THAT WILL BE THE BID OPENING FOR THE, UH, DEMO CONTRACT FOR THE NEED MORE ROAD WATER PLANT, UH, TRASH SERVICE BID

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WILL BE RELEASED THIS THURSDAY.

OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE BID WILL BE RELEASED NEXT THURSDAY.

AND, UH, WE RECEIVED FINAL LETTERS FROM THE ARCHITECTS FOR SOUTH POINT CROSSING DEMO WORK, UH, AND THE CONTRACTORS WILL NOW BE ABLE TO START PULLING PERMITS AND GET THAT ON THEIR SCHEDULE, UM, FOR THAT.

SO WE, UM, HAD TO DO SOME STUDIES ON A RISER, UH, FOR EXISTING WATER SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND, UM, THE REMAINING PART OF THE BUILDING.

AND, UH, WE HAD TO HAVE SOME ARCHITECTURAL WORK ON THAT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S DONE IN PERMITS CAN BE FILLED, UH, TAYLORSVILLE AND TWO OH TWO, A MASS FARM AND TURN LANE WIDENING PROJECT A IS BEGUN.

THEY STARTED TO CLEAR SOME VEGETATION, YOU SEE SOME MARKERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT OUT THERE.

THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON IS YOU RECALL PART OF OUR, UM, UH, MASSIVE ENERGY PRODUCT OR PROJECT THAT INCLUDE INSTALLATION AND REFURBISHMENT OF THAT INTERSECTION FROM AS TERMS TO IMPROVE, UH, SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY TO THAT INTERSECTION FLOWING INTO TWO OH TWO.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE A CURRENT SAFETY STEADY ONGOING FOR STATE ROUTE TWO OH TWO, UH, TO SEE WHAT ELIGIBLE FUNDS THROUGH ODAT SAFETY PROGRAM, UH, WOULD, WOULD BE USED FOR OUR UPCOMING, UM, PROJECTS AND IMPROVEMENTS ARE ONGOING PROJECTS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO STATE ROUTE TWO OH TWO, UH, IN THAT CORRIDOR.

UH, AND WE WILL BE COMING HERE SOON FOR AN RFP TO DO AN ACTUAL, UH, ENGINEERING AND DESIGN STUDY FOR, UH, LANE IMPROVEMENTS NORTH OF MERELY WAY AND TO ACCESS.

UH, SO, UH, WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE THAT FORTHCOMING, UH, AND FINALLY REGARDING ROADS, WE HAD A, UM, UM, UH, A PAVEMENT ISSUE AND CONCERNS ON ALTAR NEAR MONTICELLO.

AND, UH, WE HAVE BEEN OUT AND WE HAVE EXAMINED, WE HAVE REPAIRED THE SURFACE OF THE PAVEMENT FOR THE TIME BEING UNTIL THE ASPHALT PLANTS OPEN, AND WE WILL DO THE PERMANENT REPAIRS.

UH, BUT I THINK THE STREETS GUYS DID A GREAT JOB, AND WE ALSO DID SOME STRESS TESTING OF THE AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO DEGRADATION OF THE SUB-BASE.

UH, AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH SOME CORE SAMPLING, UH, BEYOND OUR, UH, OUR HEAVY PRESSURE TEST THAT WAS CONDUCTED WITH SOME HEAVY EQUIPMENT, UM, UH, TODAY AND YESTERDAY.

SO, UH, THAT AREA HAS BEEN, UM, HAS BEEN REPAIRED, BUT THAT REPAIR IS NOT PERMANENT, BUT IS, IS, IS VERY SUITABLE FOR, UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE NEEDED THERE.

AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ALL THE ITEMS I HAD FOR THIS EVENING.

SO THE FLOOD GATES OPEN WITH A LOT OF THE BIDS AND OPENINGS AND, AND PROJECTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND A LOT OF UPDATES THAT WE'VE GOT REGARDING SOME PENDING STUFF.

SO HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK I'LL HAVE NOTHING, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. SCHOMER REGARDING ANY ITEMS AND THE CITY MANAGER REPORT YES.

SHOP.

UM, WOW.

THAT WAS A LOT, YEAH.

MARATHON.

YEAH, THAT WAS A QUITE A BIT, UM, ROB, I WOULD SAY, UH, ALL GOOD INFORMATION.

UH, THE ONLY ONE THAT'S, UH, UM, UH, BECOMING A HARD PILL FOR ME TO SWALLOW IS THE ROUGHLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND WASTING OF WATER CLOSING DOWN OUR ROAD.

UM, ALL BECAUSE THE EPA, UM, NEEDS TO BOOST THEIR REVENUE.

UH, IS THIS ON THE OHIO EPA COUNTY EPA FEDERAL EPA, OR IS THIS JUST SOME GUY IN A ROOM SAYING THAT WE GOT TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE PUT A WELL IN AND HE'S LOOKING TO RUIN OUR DAY? WELL, THE ABOVE I'LL LET ALL THAT SCOTT TALKED ABOUT SOME SPECIFICS, UM, BECAUSE HE'S INVOLVED, BUT, UH, YEAH, IT IS, IT IS PART OF, AND WE KNEW THIS PART OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE WELL, BUT SCOTT AND THEN MY SECONDARY FOLLOWUP SCOTT, WHILE YOU'RE ENTERING, IF JERRY, UH, UM, MCDONALD, IF, UH, YOU CAN FIND SOME KIND OF WAY, UH, WHILE SCOTT'S ANSWERING MY FIRST QUESTION, UM, THAT W WE CAN POLITELY TELL THE EPA TO PACK SAND, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED TOO.

SCOTT, I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST.

OKAY.

UM, THIS IS OKAY.

IT IS WORKING.

UM, SO TH THE EPA REQUIREMENT IS WHEN YOU INSTALL A NEW WELL THAT YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY DO A STRESS TEST ON YOUR SYSTEM TO SEE HOW THAT AFFECTS THE OTHER WELLS WE OPENED WHEN WE DID OUR SOFTENING PROJECT AND ADDED A, WELL, THIS WAS A REQUIREMENT.

THEY ALLOWED US TO OPEN OUR PLANTS AND ACTIVATE THAT WELL, UM, WITHOUT THIS INFORMATION, KNOWING THAT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD REQUIRE IN THE FUTURE.

UH, IT, THE COST FOR IT IS NOT GOING TO THE EPA.

IT'S GOING TO THE CONSULTANT THAT HAS TO BRING IN ALL THE EQUIPMENT.

THEY HAVE TO PUT IN DIFFERENT DEVICES, INTO EACH OTHER.

WELL, TO MEASURE THINGS, RUN THE REPORTS, THE CALCULATIONS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

UM, THE WASTING OF THE WATER ITSELF, WE, THAT ADDITIONAL 15,000 OR SO TO THE RIVER IS A, UM, LET'S SAY A BETTER OPTION THAN TRYING TO ALLOW IT TO GO STRAIGHT OUT, UH, NEXT TO THE WELL, BECAUSE THAT'LL AFFECT THAT, THAT WAS SOAK DOWN

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INTO THE GROUND, AND THAT WILL AFFECT THE INFILTRATION AND WHAT THE WELLS ARE PRODUCING.

SO, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY THAT PUTS IN A NEW WEALTH HAS TO DO.

IT'S NOT JUST US ON THIS PROJECT.

UM, AND THE COST GOES TO THE CONSULTANTS AND THE RENTING OF DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT.

SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, AND JERRY, THIS IS GOING TO BE WHERE THE FOLLOWUP IS GOING TO COME TO YOU.

WE'VE HAD THIS WELL IN THIS WATER SOFTENING OPERATING FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE PUT IT THROUGH A TEST AND IT'S WORKING, UM, AND EPA ALLOWED US TO OPERATE AT THE BEGINNING WITHOUT THIS HAPPENING.

WHY ARE THEY COMING BACK NOW, AS WE JUST FELL ON THEIR SCHEDULE, THEIR RADAR TO PICK ON TIME, OR IT WAS PART OF ALLOWING US TO OPEN IT WHEN WE WANTED TO OPEN.

AND WE DID ASK THAT EXACT QUESTION, A COUPLE MEETINGS WITH THEM AND SAID, HEY, WE ARE RUNNING IT.

WE CAN SHOW YOU HOW IT IS RUNNING.

WE CAN TURN IT ON FULL, FULL BLAST TOO, WITH OUR SYSTEM, UM, AND GIVE YOU ALL THE RESULTS THAT WE ARE GETTING FROM THE PLANT.

AND THEY JUST SAID, THAT'S NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ROUTE OF GETTING THE INFORMATION.

SO THERE IS ANOTHER TEST THAT CAN BE DONE THAT DOESN'T WASTE THE WATER TO THE RIVER, BUT IT'S ABOUT DOUBLE COST THAT, THAT MADE ZERO SENSE BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S MEASURED IN THE DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT AND THE DIFFERENT, UM, UH, WAYS TO DO THE ANALYSIS, UH, THAT, UH, IT, IT, THERE'S MORE COST IN ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT AT DIFFERENT PLACES WITHIN THE SYSTEM DO IT.

SO WE'VE LOOKED AT FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THINGS TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO BRING THE COSTS DOWN, BUT THIS IS THE CHEAPEST OF ANYTHING THAT'S COME UP WITH.

WE ORIGINALLY HAD ABOUT $130,000 FOR THE COST OF THE TEST.

SO, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TEST AND GET IT DOWN TO 72.

SO I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE IN THE ROOM THAT THINKS, YEAH, I'M SAYING IT NICELY, PROBABLY.

UM, AND I GUESS MARY, IF I MAY, UH, FOLLOW UP WITH JERRY, JERRY, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN TELL THE EPA THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE BEEN OPERATING THIS PLANT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THEIR TEST IS RIDICULOUS AND IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY AND IT'S WASTE OF WATER.

YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODES TO PARTICULARLY WHAT IT IS THAT THEY REQUIRING OF US TO SEE IF THERE'S AN APPEAL.

RIGHT.

UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING WITH THE APA, IT'S JUST SHUT UP AND DO IT.

THAT'S FINE.

SO I'LL WORK, BUT I WILL LOOK INTO IT.

YEAH.

AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY, MY OPINION, UH, AS, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I MEAN, THAT'S ALMOST, I DON'T KNOW.

YEAH.

I MEAN, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN YOU SAY LIKE 70 PLUS HOURS THAT WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN 76, 76 HOURS, SHUT THE ROAD DOWN AND WASTE A BUNCH OF WATER, UH, BRINGING IN A CONSULTANT TEAM.

UM, AND, UH, I THINK I HEARD 70 PLUS 15.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY ROUGHLY 90, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH.

I'M I THINK AT LEAST MY OPINION, LOOKING INTO THAT APPEAL PROCESS IS BENEFICIAL.

AND MR. MAYOR, THAT'S ALL I GOT.

ROB, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL THE SURE.

DID.

WE KNOW? I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY, WE KNEW THIS TEST WAS REQUIRED AS IT WAS SO OPENING, OPENING THE WELL BEING THE WATER RUNNING AGAIN WAS CONDITIONAL UPON THIS FUTURE TEST IS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THE COST.

UM, WE KNEW THAT THEY WANTED A TEST TO SEE THE SYSTEM THAT'S WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DO THAT TEST.

AND THE FIRST ONE THAT CAME BACK WAS THAT 130,000 OR SO, UM, WE WAXED EPA TO ASK THEM THAT QUESTION SAYING, HEY, THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

AND WE TALKED THROUGH EACH POINT TO SEE FRAME OFF OF THAT TO GET DOWN TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.

RIGHT.

I JUST, THE BIG THING, I THINK WITH WHAT JERRY SAID, WHEN EPA TELLS YOU SOMETHING, YOU TYPICALLY, YOU JUST DO IT BECAUSE WHAT THE EPA HAS THE ABILITY TO JUST COME BACK AND LEAVE YOU A BUNCH OF FINES AGAINST THE CITY, WHICH THEY HAD ALREADY THREATENED US AT ONE TIME BEFORE WE GOT A LETTER ABOUT THE, ONE OF THE, THE, THE OLD SYSTEM.

UM, OH, I ASKED THAT QUESTION.

WELL, HOW MUCH IS FINE? IS IT LESS THAN A, WELL, YEAH, SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE IT'S DAILY.

I THINK IT WOULD ALL BE FUN TO TELL THE EPA TO GO, GO PACK SAND AS MR. SHAW SAID, BUT, UM, NOT IN REGARD TO THEN, WELL, THEN YOU GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

FINE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, I THINK WE JUST GOTTA BE SMART ABOUT THIS.

UM, AND I'M SURE JERRY WILL, WAS, HE LOOKS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, ANY APPEAL THERE, MR. LYONS.

THANK

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YOU.

MAYOR, MAYOR DE A BRIDGE ON CHAMBERSBURG OVER ROUTE FOUR AND TWO 35.

ABOUT HOW LONG IS THAT SCHEDULED TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION? I THINK I HEARD MR. SCHIRMER SAY ABOUT FIVE MONTHS.

THAT IS CORRECT.

WAS THAT FIVE MONTHS? YES.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE, UH, PROJECT ON BELL FOUNTAIN BETWEEN CHAMBERSBURG AND FISHBURG, WAS THAT THE 120 DAYS? THAT IS CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. CAMPBELL.

YES.

UH, BACK TO THE EPA SCOTT BELL KOSKI.

YES.

UH, WHAT IS THE ORDER AND WHEN IS IT? UH, THE WHAT'S THE ORDER FROM THE EPA AND WHAT'S THE DEADLINE? THE ORDER IS TO RUN A TEST ON THE SYSTEM TO CHECK THE CAPACITY OF THE WELL FIELD AND EACH OF OUR EXISTING WELLS AND HOW THE NEW WELL AFFECTS THOSE WELLS.

UM, THE DEADLINE, THEY, UM, HAVE JUST ASKED US TO PROPOSE SOMETHING.

UM, THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN A FLAT DEADLINE OF THAT.

SO WE ARE LOOKING TO TRY AND DO THIS AFTER THE SPRING SEASON, AFTER THE WET WEATHER, UM, WHEN IT'S A LITTLE DRY.

SO, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TIME FOR JERRY TO DO SOME RESEARCH.

YES.

AND JERRY, HOW LONG DO YOU SEE YOUR RESEARCH TAKING PLYMOUTH NARROWLY AFTER I GET MY HEAD AROUND EXACTLY WHAT THE ORDER IS ON, WHERE THEIR AUTHORITY FOR THAT ORDER COMES FROM.

UM, I CAN HAVE IT BY THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

ALRIGHT.

THANKS MAYOR.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE IN MR. SCHOMER SAY MANAGER UPDATE.

OKAY.

[ Supplemental Appropriations]

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.

I BELIEVE JIM HAS HAD TO DIAL IN.

HE WAS HAVING, UM, SOME LAPTOP ISSUES.

JIM, ARE YOU ONLINE LIVE? I AM ANDY A LONG TIME LISTENER.

FIRST TIME CALLER.

THANK YOU.

I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME FEEDBACK I, I JUST JOINED, UM, LIVE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE ME SOME YEARS.

WE DON'T SEE YOU, BUT WE HEAR YOU, BUT YEAH, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME FEEDBACK.

YEAH.

I'M HEARING THAT FEEDBACK.

SO I'M GOING TO LOG OFF AND THEN JUST STAY ON THE PHONE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT, UM, FOR, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, CHANGES TO THE BUDGET.

AND, UH, THERE ARE NO CHANGES FROM WHAT I SUBMITTED IN YOUR PACKET FOR THIS WEEK.

THE FIRST ITEM IS A TRANSFER FROM THE FIREFIGHTERS ASSISTANCE GRANT FUND.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT ROB MENTIONED EARLIER, THE POWER HOT, UH, THIS WAS ACTUALLY, UH, ENCUMBERED IN THE FIRE CAPITAL FUND.

AND THE REASON THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS TRANSFER IS BECAUSE THE GRANT MONEY IS COMING IN AS THE FIREFIGHTERS ASSISTANCE GRANT FUND.

SO I'LL BRING IT INTO THAT FUND.

AND THEN WHEN YOU WERE TRAINING FOR THAT MONEY OVER TO THE FIRE CAPITAL FUND TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WILL BE 90% OF THAT PROJECT, THE OTHER 10% IS COMING OUT OF THE FIRE CAPITAL FUNDS.

SO THAT EXPENSE HAD NOT BEEN A BUDGETED ITEM.

NUMBER TWO, $167,247 IS, UM, UH, THIS YOU MIGHT REMEMBER IS THE, UH, CONTRACT FOR THE RMS AND CAD SOFTWARE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY WITH ANOTHER COMPANY AND IS NOW WITH MOTOROLA, UH, DUE TO THE FACT THAT SOME MONEY HAD ALREADY BEEN PAID TO THAT OTHER COMPANY.

WE NEED TO, UM, UH, ADD TO THE BUDGET THAT ONE 67, TWO 47 TO THE MOTOROLA, UH, TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF THAT ENTIRE CONTRACT.

UH, THEN THE NEXT ITEM IS $10,000.

UH, THIS IS, UM, WE FINALLY ARE STARTING TO SEE SOME TIFF DOLLARS COME IN TO THE, UM, MONTGOMERY COUNTY CENTRAL TIP FUND, WHICH IS THE, UH, FAMILY DOLLAR PROPERTY.

SO WE'LL, WE WILL HAVE SOME EXPENSES IN THERE.

AND, UH, $10,000 IS MY ESTIMATE AS TO WHAT SHOULD COVER THAT FOR OUR 2021 EXPENSES.

AND THEN FINALLY THE FOURTH ITEM IS A, UM, WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THE BUDGET,

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THERE'S ALWAYS THE, UH, NINE 11 WIRELESS EXPENSES.

THAT'S AN ESTIMATE AT THAT TIME AND IT WAS OVERESTIMATED.

AND SO I'M ASKING COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY REDUCE THAT BUDGET BY $302,415 TO GET THAT TO THE EXACT AMOUNT OF THE FUNDS THAT HAVE COME IN FOR THAT PROGRAM.

SO THE FULL IMPACT IS, UM, OF ALL FUNDS IS A NET REDUCTION TO THE OVERALL BUDGET OF $125,168.

GOOD.

THANK YOU, MR. BELL, APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, ALWAYS LIKED TO SEE A BUDGET HEADING THAT DIRECTION.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS MRS. BURCH? YES.

JIM, DID WE GET THE MONEY BACK FROM THE OTHER COMPANY WE STARTED WITH, WITH MOTOROLA? NO, WE, WE, WE DID NOT.

UM, BECAUSE THE WORK THAT HAD BEEN DONE UP TO THAT POINT, WE JUST STOPPED.

UM, THEY HAD DONE SOME WORK AND THEY WERE PAID, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE DESIGNS OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT.

IF YOU RECALL THAT WE WERE ONLY GOING TO PAY BASED ON PERFORMANCE.

AND, UH, UM, UH, PART OF THE AGREEMENT FOR SEPARATION WAS THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO OWE THEM ANYTHING MORE.

AND WE WERE SETTLED WITH WHAT WE HAD PAID UP TO THAT POINT.

WE HAD A THEN CURRENT INVOICE THAT WE DID NOT PAY, UH, BUT WHAT HAD BEEN PAID PREVIOUS.

UM, WE DID NOT RECOUP BECAUSE, BECAUSE WORK HAS WORK WAS DONE FOR THAT, FOR THAT PORTION.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MR. LYONS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, JIM, IT'S GREAT TO HEAR ABOUT THE, UH, POWER CUTS AND THE PURCHASE WITH THE TRANSFER, THE MONEY, UM, MAYOR, UH, HOW MANY WEEKS AGO WAS IT THAT THE NEW FIRE CHIEF WAS? I THINK WHAT JUST, UM, PROBABLY THE LAST 30 TO 45 DAYS.

I WOULDN'T THINK IT WAS ANY LONGER THAN THAT.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, AMERICAN WAY CLARIFY, IF THAT A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS LEGISLATION, TWO RATINGS ARE THE SECOND RATING NEEDS TO BE WAIVED.

YES, MR. BELL, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THIS, UH, IMMEDIATELY, SO, UH, ON, UH, MONDAY NIGHT.

SO THAT WAY THAT, UH, DOLLARS FOR THE MOTOROLA CONTRACT COULD BE ADDED AND ALSO WITH THE INSTALLATION OF THE COTS COMING NEXT WEEK, THE A, THE INVOICE WILL BE DUE SHORTLY THEREAFTER.

SO, SO JUST WAVING IN THE SECOND READING OR DOES THAT NEED TO BE EMERGENCY? JUST WAVING A SECOND.

OKAY.

I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SUPPLEMENTAL? OKAY, THANK YOU.

NEXT UP AS ITEM

[ Culture and Diversity Citizens Action Commission Recommendations]

THREE C, WHICH IS THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY SYSTEMS ACTION COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO I KNOW WE HAD, UH, AT A PREVIOUS WORK SESSION, WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM, UH, MRS. STEVENS AND MS. SOMEONE REGARDING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM BELL IS NOW EXITING.

SO THEY HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, IN A PRESENTATION THEY'D MADE FOR COUNCIL TO, UH, TO CONSIDER.

AND I THINK SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UM, WERE, UH, CERTAINLY A LITTLE MORE URGENT THAN, THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS.

SO I JUST WANT TO HAVE THIS ITEM BACK ON THE AGENDA TO, TO BRING SOME OF THESE ITEMS BACK UP AGAIN, TO KEEP THEM IN FRONT OF COUNCIL SO THEY COULD MAKE SOME DECISIONS BASED ON, UH, WHAT THEY SAW FIT AND MOVING THINGS TOGETHER FASTER.

UH, I'LL JUST I'LL START.

I KNOW MR. MCDONALD HAD MENTIONED, WE HAD TO MAYBE THINK ABOUT, OR WORRY ABOUT HOW SOME OF THE FUNDS WERE GOING TO BE SPENT REGARDING THAT.

UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE POETRY CONTEST OR THE ESSAY CONTEST FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

AND I THINK MY INTERPRETATION OF, OF JERRY'S EMAIL TO ME WAS AS LONG AS IT'S NOT, UM, MONEY THAT WOULD BE LEFT UP TO CHANCE, THEN I THINK, UH, THE CITY IS FULLY CAPABLE THEN OF FUNDING A PROJECT LIKE THAT.

UH, AND I THINK THIS WOULD, UH, IN MY OPINION, AND WE'LL GET JERRY'S, BUT IF THERE ARE JUDGES THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY JUDGING THIS ESSAY CONTEST SPECIFICALLY FOR A WINNER, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SETS UP TO CHANCE.

I THINK THAT IS BEING JUDGED ON ITS MERITS.

AND THEREFORE WE COULD PROVIDE THAT MONEY TO THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION TO DO THAT.

SO IT'S NOT DEEMED AS GAMBLING, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIG THING WE DON'T, UM, ISSUE MONEY OR, UH, PROVIDE MONEY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED GAMBLING.

BUT THIS IS FOR A SPECIFIC REASON SPECIFIC CONTEST IT'S BEING JUDGED BASED ON THE MERITS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUBMITTING, UH, OR THE STUDENTS THAT ARE SUBMITTING THEIR ESSAYS.

SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD KIND OF BE THE FIRST, THE FIRST ONE FOR COUNCILS

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CONSIDER FUNDING THAT PROJECT FOR THEM.

UH, I THINK THE ISSUES OF THE WEBSITE.

UM, SO IF I JUST GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE COMMISSION AT THAT WORK SESSION OR FROM MRS. STEVENS AND MISS SOMEONE, WE HAD THE SOME WEBSITE UPDATES.

SO, UM, STATEMENT ON THE CITY, IF HE WRITES WEBSITE DENOUNCING RACISM, UH, REVISING THE WEBSITE, UH, THROUGH A DIVERSE EQUITY LENS, UH, I CAN, UH, WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I'VE KIND OF BEEN ON THE WEBSITE AND LOOKED, OUR WEBSITE IS MORE ABOUT PLACES AND THINGS.

AND WHEN I THINK OF THE IMAGES THAT ARE ON THERE AND NOT SO MUCH, UH, PEOPLE, BUT IF WE, IF WE WANT TO MAKE IT, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT CHANGING THE OVERALL THEME.

AND I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY WRONG WITH THAT.

I'VE, I'VE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER CITY WEBSITES AND SEEN PHOTOS OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WORKING, PEOPLE ENGAGED IN THEIR WORK AND THEIR JOB IN THE CITY.

UH, SO IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING THAT TYPE OF A CHANGE IN HOW WE LOOK IN THE FIELD, NOT THE LOOK, BUT THE FEEL OF THE WEBSITE THROUGH PHOTOS.

AND I CERTAINLY THINK WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE, UH, SOME INCLUSIVE PICTURES THAT ARE, THAT ARE INVOLVED, BUT AGAIN, UH, CERTAINLY THE COUNCIL DISCRETION, UM, THE WEBPAGE LAYOUT FOR THE COMMISSION.

SO EACH COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE A LINK TO THEIR OWN DESIGNATED PAGE.

UM, AND THEN THOSE PAGES COULD BREAK OUT TO INCLUDE WHAT THE MISSION ACTIVITIES WERE, A COMMITTEE MEMBER, CONTACT INFORMATION, RESOURCES, ET CETERA, AND THEN PROVIDE AN UNBIASED REPORTING PROCESS FOR CITIZENS TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS AND SUBMIT COMPLAINTS THROUGH AN UNBIASED MEANS WITHOUT FEAR OF RETALIATION.

AND I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE CITI APP THAT WE HAD IN THAT LAST DISCUSSION WHERE, UM, PEOPLE COULD USE THAT AS A, POSSIBLY A FORM TO, UH, TO MAKE THOSE COMPLAINTS AND STILL BE ABLE TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS, UH, UH, AS A WAY THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING RETALIATED AGAINST.

SO FROM ANY WEBSITE, UM, SO FIRST I WOULD ASK JUST ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF OVER THE BUDGET.

JERRY, DID I GET THAT RIGHT? IN TERMS OF FUNDING, THE, THE MONEY FOR, UH, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ESSAY CONTEST WAS MY INTERPRETATION OF YOUR EMAIL, CORRECT? YEAH, THERE WAS, THERE'S MULTIPLE PARTS TO IT.

ONE OF THEM WAS THAT IT CAN'T BE, UM, BY CHANCE, WHICH IS WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.

RIGHT.

THE OTHER ONE IS THERE HAS TO BE A FINDING THAT IT'S A PUBLIC PURPOSE, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT IS RELATIVELY EASY TO DO.

IS THAT JUST THROUGH COUNCIL DECLARATION THAT THE, OR COUNCIL ACTION THAT THAT CONTEST IS, IS PUBLIC.

YES.

OKAY.

YEP.

SO THAT, SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE FAIRLY EASY AND FAIRLY QUICKLY BECAUSE THE CONTEST IS, I BELIEVE PROBABLY JUST, JUST NOT SURE.

SURE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I THINK ONE OF THE CONFUSIONS, AT LEAST FROM MY PART, IN SOME CONCERNS OF OTHERS WAS ON THE, UM, A FACEBOOK ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WAS MADE.

UM, THE TERMINAL CASH WAS USED, UM, UH, THROUGH THE, UM, CITY SPONSORED CULTURE AND DIVERSITY, UH, FACEBOOK PAGE, THE WORD CASH PRIZE WAS USED.

UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN JERRY'S EMAIL THE WAY, UM, MY INTERPRETATION WAS THIS COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO PUT A PIECE OF LEGISLATION TOGETHER, ALLOWING THAT PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD.

UM, OBVIOUSLY NOT HANDING OUT CASH DIRECTLY, BUT IN, IN DIFFERENT FORMS OF PAYMENT AND SUCH.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE CONFUSION MAY LIE.

UM, AND MAYBE THAT THE TERMS IN THAT ADVERTISEMENT MAY NEED TO BE ALTERED OR CHANGED OR REDEFINED, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COUNCIL AND THE CITY IS PROTECTED, UH, THROUGH THE LEGISLATION THAT WE WOULD PUT TOGETHER TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

UM, SO THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I SAW SOME FOLKS HAD BROUGHT THAT TO MY ATTENTION.

AND I THINK IT WAS VERY WELL-DEFINED IN JERRY'S EMAIL AS WELL.

YEP.

AND I THINK, AND MR. ROGERS, I THINK YOU SAID WE COULD USE, WE COULD PURCHASE GIFT CARDS IN THE WORLD.

THE REWARD WOULD ACTUALLY BE, OR THE AWARD, MAYBE A VISA GIFT CARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, THAT'S, ARE WE GOING TO CHECKS OR YEAH.

I MEAN, HOWEVER, SO I THINK THE, SO I THINK, YEAH, THE DEVIL'S MIGHT BE IN THE DETAILS.

UM, NO, I THINK IT WAS 500 TUNNEL, 500 TOTAL.

IT WAS TO FIRST PLACE AWARDS OF 150 FOR EACH GRADES AND TO SECOND PLACE AWARDS OF, OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR EACH GRADE.

SO IT WAS A TOTAL OF $500.

SO I THINK THAT THE BIG ISSUE HERE IS, IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM COUNCIL TO MOVING FORWARD AND, AND DESIGNING WHATEVER LEGISLATION WE NEED TO DESIGNATE THAT A PUBLIC PURPOSE AND THEN, AND THEN ACCOUNTING FOR THOSE FUNDS.

OKAY, MARY, I WOULD JUST HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION.

UM, IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT LEGISLATION TOGETHER OF THAT NATURE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, AND ANTONIO COULD CORRECT ME, UM, UH, PROCEDURALLY, UM, WOULD WE NOT BE ABLE TO ENCOMPASS THE ENTIRE BUDGET REQUEST AFTER ONCE DISCUSSED AND TO THAT ONE PIECE OF LEGISLATION, UH, THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE PIECE OF LEGISLATION TO DECLARE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.

IF THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE BUDGET FOR THAT PARTICULAR COMMISSION THAT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH THE SUPPLEMENTAL PREPARATION.

OKAY.

UH, AND,

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AND, AND I, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

I