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          BUT TODAY 
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IS MARCH 2ND, 2021. 
          [1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
THIS IS THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION OF THE, SEE IF HE WERE HEIGHTS HYBRID IN PERSON. 
          AND, UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER MR. ROGERS CALLS. 
          MR. SHAW HERE, THIS BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL, MR. CAMPBELL. 
          WE'RE NOT HEARING THEM CHANGE. 
          SPEAKERS CHANGED AGAIN. 
          NOW THIS IS MERGE HERE, MR. OTTO HERE. 
          MR. LYONS EAR, MR. HILL HERE. 
          MR. WEBB, MR. WEBB. 
          YOU'RE VIEWED IT. 
          YOU'RE ON MUTE MICROPHONES, MUTED AMERICORPS HERE. 
          YEAH, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, UM, A COMMERCIAL FOR, UH, FOR A VERIZON COMMERCIAL HERE. 
          YEP. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? EXCUSE ME, MARY? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME TO AMEND TONIGHT'S AGENDA TO I'D ADD ITEM THREE F A DISCUSSION OF THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER. 
          2021. 
          IS THERE A YES, LET'S READ IT A SECOND THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO ADDING A ITEM THREE F TO DISCUSS THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER FOR 2021? OKAY. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT BEFORE WE TAKE A BIT? OKAY. 
          MS. ROGERS, MS. BAKER? YES. 
          MR. CAMPBELL. 
          YES. 
          MRS. BERGE? YES. 
          MR. OTTO? YES. 
          MR. LYONS? YES. 
          MR. HILL. 
          YES. 
          MR. WEBB, MR. WEBB, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          DO YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THE MOTION? I'M SORRY, TONY. 
          I HAD TO LOG OUT AND BACK ON TO GET MY VOLUME. 
          SO I'M MISS THOUGH. 
          IT'S A MOTION TO, UH, AMANDA AGENDA TO ADD ITEM THREE, AF A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 20, 21 SEASON FOR THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER. 
          YES. 
          AND MR. SHAW? YES, CAPE. 
          SO MOTION DOES CARRY H ZERO. 
          SO WE WILL ADD ITEM THREE F ROSE MUSIC CENTER 
          [2. Approval of Minutes]
PICKS UP AS I, NUMBER TWO, WHICH HAS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          UH, TWO EIGHT IS THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 16, 2021. 
          THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS, CORRECTIONS ON THOSE MINUTES, IF NOT, THEY WILL STAND AS APPROVED AND NOT SAYING ANY OF THOSE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 16TH WILL STAND AS APPROVED. 
          NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR TOPICS OF DISCUSSION FOR NIGHT'S WORK SESSION 
          [ City Manager Report]
AND ITEM THREE A IS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT. 
          WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THAT, ROB. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE, UH, SEVERAL ITEMS TONIGHT, SO I WANTED TO START OFF. 
          I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN BRIEFLY. 
          ONE WOULD THINK, EH, HERE IT COMES. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S SEE IF I MAKE THAT BIGGER. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          AH, W WE HAD A DISCUSSION. 
          I SAID THAT WE WERE GIVEN UPDATE REGARDING THE, UM, GRANITE DISCUSSION, UH, FOR THE VETERANS MEMORIAL. 
          UM, AS YOU RECALL, WE HAD A CERTAIN SPEC OF GRANITE THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS CALLED OUT, UH, DUE TO THE INTRICACY OF SOME OF THE IMAGING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, ON THE MONUMENTS ITSELF, UH, SOME HAVE SOME DISCUSSION IN SOME CONSTERNATION REGARDING, UH, IT BEING SOURCED FROM ANOTHER CONTINENT, UH, HAS, HAS COME UP AND WE WANTED TO SHOW AND DISPLAY AND DEMONSTRATE WHY, UH, THE PARTICULAR GRANITE OF THAT, 
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UM, OF THAT ORIGIN WAS PICKED AND HAS BEEN PICKED ON SEVERAL OTHER MONUMENTS, UH, SOME FEDERAL, SOME MILITARY, SOME LOCAL AND EVERYTHING. 
          UM, AND, UM, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS A GRANITE FROM, UH, SOURCED HERE WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. 
          THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED BLACK. 
          GRANTED THERE'S TWO TYPES, THERE'S A MAASAI AND THERE'S ACADEMY, UM, FROM THIS PARTICULAR QUARRY AND WHAT YOU SEE THERE. 
          UH, AND I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A CLOSER PICTURE, UH, THE TYPE OF ENGRAVING THAT OCCURS BECAUSE OF THE VEINING AND THE FLAKES AND FLEX WITHIN THE GRANITE, ALTHOUGH IT'D BE A BLACK, UH, WHEN IT'S ENGRAVED IT, IT'S PIXELATED BASICALLY. 
          SO IT, IT STANDS GOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, LARGE LETTERS AND ENGRAVING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT'S A PIECE OF, UM, UH, SOLID BLACK GRANITE THAT WOULD BE SOURCED FROM, UM, FROM THE ASIAN CONTINENT AND THAT, UM, THAT IS VERY SUITABLE FOR HIGH DETAILED TYPE OF ETCHING. 
          UH, THERE'S A, ANOTHER PHOTO THAT DOESN'T LIKE TO GO THROUGH. 
          THIS IS A, UM, UH, NAVAL AVIATION, UH, MONUMENT, UH, SOURCE OF THAT TYPE OF GRANITE WITH THE, UM, DETAILED LASER ETCHING. 
          UH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IMAGE OF THE TYPE OF GRANITE THAT WOULD BE SOURCED, UM, UH, IN THE STATES OR NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, AS YOU SEE, UM, IT'S, IT BECOMES PIXELATED. 
          AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS, UH, ALTHOUGH VERY ORNATE AND VERY NICE PIECE OF GRANITE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SPEC. 
          UH, IT JUST DIDN'T MEET THE SPEC. 
          THIS IS AGAIN THE, UH, THE BLACK GRANITE. 
          AND, UH, THERE IS ONE OTHER PHOTO, I BELIEVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE, UM, OF THE SOURCE GRANITE FROM, UH, FROM OVERSEAS, UH, MR. AL GRIGGS PROBABLY SET IT RIGHT, AND I HAVE TO REPEAT WHAT HE SAYS, ALTHOUGH WE, WE DO APPRECIATE AND AGREE. 
          THE FACT THAT HAVING SOMETHING ALL AMERICAN MAIDEN IS, IS BENEFICIAL, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, PAYS TRIBUTE TO OUR SOLDIERS. 
          UH, HOWEVER IT WASN'T CHINA THAT MADE THIS GRANTED. 
          IT WAS GOD, AND IT'S A NATURALLY SOURCED, UM, UH, UH, ELEMENT OF THE EARTH AND THAT, ALTHOUGH IT RESIDES IN THAT CONTINENT, IT IS NOT A PRODUCT OF CHINA. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A PRODUCT OF THIS EARTH AND OF GOD. 
          SO THAT IS A, I THINK VERY, VERY WELL-STATED AND SPOKEN. 
          AND ALTHOUGH THAT, UM, THE, THE OWNERS OF THAT LAND HAVE THE ABILITY TO SOURCE IT AND, UH, AND BRING IT FROM THE EARTH. 
          IT IS NOTHING BUT AMERICANS THAT WILL RECEIVE IT AND GRAVE IT AND PLACE IT, UH, HONOR IT AND COMMEMORATE IT. 
          THERE ARE, UM, SEVERAL OTHER MONUMENTS, UH, OF SIMILARLY SOURCED, UH, NATURAL RESOURCES THAT ARE USED ALL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. 
          AND, UM, WE HAVE CERTAINLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT UTILIZE THIS PARTICULAR SPEC, UH, BUT THE DETAIL AND THE END RESULT OF WHAT WAS DESIGNED WILL BE AFFECTED, UH, AND, OR MAY REQUIRE KIND OF A REDESIGN OF THE ART PIECES. 
          AND I WILL REMIND ALSO, UH, EVERYBODY THAT WE ARE ON A TIMELINE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE STILL WAITING TO FINALIZE AND SIGN AND ALLOW THESE LEASINGS TO GET GOING. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE ARE AN AGREEANCE THAT WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORIGINALLY SOURCED GRANTED, UM, THEN WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, UH, WHAT THAT SPEC, UM, BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE AND BEGIN A PROJECT, UH, THAT IS NOT, UM, I GUESS, AGREEABLE OR ACCEPTED OR PLEASURED BY CERTAINLY COUNCIL OR, UH, OR ANYBODY ELSE INVOLVED. 
          THERE'S ONE ITEM OF UPDATE. 
          I'M SURE WE CAN, UH, DISCUSS THAT IN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IF WE NEED TO ROB. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST REAL QUICK, I THINK IT'S, I THINK YOU SAID IT BEST WE'RE ON A TIMELINE. 
          SO I THINK, UM, BRING UP THAT DISCUSSION, AT LEAST AT THE WORK SESSION, ALL THAT INFORMATION'S ALREADY BEEN ALLOWED THROUGH LEGISLATION, CORRECT. 
          IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, OF, OF THE SOURCING OF IT. 
          SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PUT THE COUNCIL WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN PUT THAT TO BED, OR IF WE, UH, OR IF COUNCIL DESIRES TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. 
          AND, UM, AND LET'S JUST LET STAFF MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE GOING TO DO, BUT LET'S MAKE THAT DECISION JUST ROLLING. 
          YEAH. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          I WOULD JUST SAY ROB THAT IF, UH, ALL THINGS WERE EQUAL, UH, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A DOMESTIC GRANTED WOULDN'T BE A QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          IF WE CAN GET A BETTER PRODUCT, UM, UH, SIMILARLY BETTER PRICING OR WHATEVER, THEN THAT'S FINE. 
          I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, IF, IF WE GOT TO GET A SUBPAR PRODUCT TO GET IT SOURCED MORE LOCAL THAN I WOULD SAY THAT I'D PREFER TO HAVE THE BETTER PRODUCT AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SAY SUBPAR, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT PRODUCT, UH, WHERE IT'S SOURCED, UH, W WITHIN NORTH AMERICA, IT'S JUST THE, THE TEXTURE AND THE ABILITY TO LASER EDGE AND HAVE THE CONTRAST OF, UH, THE VERY INTRICATE DETAILS OF THE IMAGING THAT WAS SCOPED OUT IN, IN IMAGES. 
          WHAT MAKES THAT 
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PARTICULAR, UH, SELECTION THAT THE RIGHT CHOICE AND THE RECOMMENDED A BETTER FIT FOR OUR PROJECT IT'S FIT FOR THAT PROJECT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          MS. BERTRAM? YES. 
          UH, SINCE COUNSEL'S ALREADY APPROVED TO ALL THE, UH, LEGISLATION, WHEN YOU TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, I WOULD REQUEST IT, UH, UH, OUR CITY MANAGE YOUR RELEASE, OUR AWARD, THE CONTRACT WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO WE DON'T LOSE ANOTHER DAY ON GETTING THIS MEMORIAL ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S THE DISCUSSION THAT I WANTED TO HAVE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, UM, MORE OBJECTIONS THEN THAN NOT IN, REGARDING TO LETTING STAFF MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, WITH THE PROJECT AS IT IS. 
          SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UH, ASIAN SOURCE SCREEN? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, ROB, I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO, UH, TO COLD SPRINGS AND WE HAVE VALIDATED THAT THE GRANITE AVAILABLE AND THE THREE US-BASED GRANITE QUARRIES, AS WELL AS CANADA WILL NOT MEET THE SPECS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WHAT YOU SAW WAS ACTUALLY COLD SPRING GRANITE. 
          SO, AND, AND I GUESS I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT WE HAVE MADE SURE THAT ALL FOUR NORTH AMERICAN QUARRIES HAS BEEN REVIEWED, AND IT IS NO WAY POSSIBLE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO GET THAT QUALITY HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE PEOPLE THAT RESEARCHED IT AND SCOPED IT OUT TO THE SPEC FOR THE DETAIL THAT WE HAVE, THAT IS THE GRANITE. 
          AND THAT'S THE SAME REASON THAT THAT GRANITE IS USED ON MULTIPLE OTHER MONUMENTS WITH SIMILAR TYPE OF LASER ETCHING IN DETAIL, UM, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF IMAGING. 
          AND, UM, THAT IS WHAT IS RECOMMENDED DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T USE THE OTHER TYPE. 
          IT JUST MEANS THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK THE SAME. 
          AND IF WE WANT IT TO LOOK AS IT IS, THEN THAT IS THE GRANITE THAT HAS BEEN AND SCOPED. 
          UH, AND THAT IS THE SPOT THAT IT IS AVAILABLE. 
          AND THE OTHER LOCATIONS TO SAY THAT THERE'S NOT GRANT AVAILABLE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SALESMAN FROM THAT INDIVIDUAL COMPANY SAY, OH, NO, OUR GRANT IS THERE AS WELL. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS EXAMINED. 
          IT WAS LOOKED AT, AND THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE ENGRAVING THAT DON'T SELL THE GRANITE ARE THE ONES THAT, UM, CREATE THE, UM, UM, THE, THE SPEC ON WHAT THEIR WORK PRODUCT AND WHAT THEIR DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ARE. 
          UM, IT TURNS OUT BEST ON, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE MARY, IF I, IF I MAY CONTINUE. 
          UM, I, I GUESS MY BOTTOM LINE QUESTION IS WHEN WE, AS THIS COUNCIL APPROVED THIS PROCESS TO GO THROUGH AND ALLOW LWCC TO DO THE, UM, KIND OF AFTER BID QUESTIONING, UM, IT WAS SAID AT THAT TIME THAT THERE WAS NO NORTH AMERICAN QUARRIES THAT COULD PRODUCE THIS, THEN AFTER SOME LATER COMMUNICATION BETWEEN MYSELF AND I BELIEVE, UH, SCOTT MCCALSKY HAD RECEIVED SOME COMMUNICATION FROM A VENDOR WHO SAYS, YES, WE DO HAVE THREE US AND ONE, UM, CANADA BASED DID LWCC MAKE THAT, UM, A SECOND REVIEWER, WAS THAT DONE HERE IN MY CITY? YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS DONE COLLECTIVELY. 
          AND THAT EMAIL, YES, NOTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID IS UNTRUE. 
          THERE IS BLACK GRANTED AVAILABLE, BUT IT LOOKS DIFFERENT AND IT ENGRAVES DIFFERENT AS I INDICATED. 
          SO IF WE WANTED THE LESS VEINY, LESS SPECKLED, A TRUE BLACK GRANTED, IT'S AN ACTUAL RESOURCE OF A PARTICULAR REGION OF THIS COUNTRY. 
          AND THAT IS WHAT WAS SPECKED OUT IN ORDER TO HAVE THE APPEARANCE AND RESULTS THAT WE DESIRED. 
          UM, NOT TO SAY THAT OTHER GRANTED CAN'T BE USED. 
          AND AS I SAID, OTHER SALESPEOPLE IN OTHER COMPANIES MIGHT ARGUE THAT FACT, BUT IT COMES DOWN TO THE, JUST LIKE AN INTERIOR DESIGNER PICKING A PARTICULAR PAINT BECAUSE THE SHADE AND THE COLOR OF THE BLUE IS WHAT IS ASKED OF FROM THE CLIENT. 
          UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WE'RE WHAT, WE'RE WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH MARY IN LIGHT OF THE INFORMATION AT HAND. 
          I STILL STAND IN OBJECTION. 
          HOWEVER, AS I SEE THAT I MAY BE THE LONE OBJECTION AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, I WILL WITHDRAW MY OBJECTION JUST IN ORDER TO MOVE THIS PROJECT, HALAL DISCUSSION, ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE ALL GONNA MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS EVERYONE. 
          AND I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT THAT'S THE INITIAL WANT TO GET OFF THE TABLE HERE? YES. 
          MR. CAMPBELL, OOPS. 
          YES. 
          A ROB UP. 
          I COULDN'T FIND MY HAND TO HOLD, HOLD UP. 
          GOING BACK TO THE GRANITE ISSUE, WHAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? UH, WE RECOMMEND GOING WITH THE, UH, THE SUGGESTED 
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SPECKED OUT PRODUCT THAT WAS PART OF THE DESIGN. 
          AND THAT WAS DEVELOPED THROUGH THE COURSE IN THE PROCESS OF THE, UH, OF THE BID AND THE AWARDED CONTRACTOR THAT, UH, WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. 
          AND HAS THE VETERANS COMMITTEE, UH, BEEN BRIEFED ON, ON THIS TO THE LEVEL OF BEHALF? YES. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THEIR RECOMMENDATION IF THEY HAVE ONE? UH, THEY, UH, AGAIN, I JUST INDICATED THE COMMENTS FROM MR. GRIGGS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HE SAYS, WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, UH, A, UH, PRODUCT CREATED BY GOD, NOT BY A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE AS A NATURAL RESOURCE. 
          AND, UM, UM, IN FACT, MR.  OR MS, MR. MUSSOLINI WHO GAVE THE PRESENTATION, UH, FOR THE ACTUAL, UH, DONATION ACTUALLY INDICATED THAT THEY USE THE SAME SOURCE FOR A, UH, A PROJECT THAT HE WAS WORKING ON. 
          UH, AND IT DESCRIBED THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS OF SOME OF THE ENGRAVING QUALITIES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S BEAUTIFUL GRANITE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD. 
          AND THE, UM, UH, THE, THE CONTRAST PROVIDED FOR THIS PARTICULAR SPEC IS, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT HE'S FAMILIAR WITH AS WELL TOO. 
          SO WHAT I HEARD ORIGINALLY WAS AL GRIGGS HAD AN OPINION, BUT AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THE VETERAN'S COMMITTEE'S OPINION, OR IS THAT HIS OPINION? WELL, THAT WAS AT A VETERANS, UM, UH, MEETING. 
          SO IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST VETERANS COMMISSION MEETING THE UPDATE ON THAT, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED REGARDING, UH, THE SOURCE, IT WAS EXPLAINED. 
          AND, UM, AGAIN, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE HAPPY TO SEE THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. 
          I CAN'T SAY THAT THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION, UH, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          THEY JUST UNDERSTOOD AND APPRECIATED THE INFORMATION. 
          AND, UH, DIDN'T DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONTINUED OBJECTION, QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, BASICALLY BECAUSE OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS BEING SHARED, THAT WE'RE CHOOSING TO USE, UH, CHINESE PRODUCTS AND STUFF, AMERICAN PRODUCTS, WHEN THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF MISINFORMATION. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE GOING BY, UH, WHEN THE QUESTION WAS ORIGINALLY ASKED AND NOT PUTTING WORDS IN A RICHARD CHARLES' MOUTH, BUT IF WHAT I'M HEARING RICHARD SAY IS THAT HE'S DISAPPOINTED THAT WE HAVE TO OUTSOURCE THIS TO CHINA. 
          I TOTALLY AGREE, BUT I THINK I HEARD RICHARD SAY THAT HE'S OKAY WITH IT TO MOVE THE PROJECT ALONG. 
          AND IF THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD HIM TO SAY, I FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. 
          AND IF I MAY REITERATE, I WOULD SAY, UM, A FEW CHOICE WORDS ABOUT USING CHINA PRODUCT ON A, UH, ON A VETERAN MEMORIAL. 
          UM, BUT YES, TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN, IN ORDER TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD, UM, AND TO PROVIDE THE VETERANS OF THIS REGION AND OUR CITY OF THE, UH, HONORED RESPECT, UM, I WILL TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE VETERANS COMMITTEE AND MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD. 
          UH, BUT MY OBJECTION STILL STANDS REGARDING THE GRANTED. 
          HOWEVER, I'M NOT GOING TO FIRST FORCE IT FURTHER TO DELAY THE PROJECT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I CAN'T DISAGREE AND I'M, AND I'M GLAD WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LET'S WRAP IT UP. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON TOES OR ANYTHING, BUT I WAS AT THE LAST MEETING OF THE VETERANS, UH, COMMISSION. 
          AND, UM, THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC. 
          IN FACT, I HAD MADE COMMENT TO A COUPLE AFTER THE MEETING WAS OVER THAT THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL DELAY BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT US SOURCE MATERIALS VERSUS CHINESE. 
          YEAH, WE, WE, WE DISCUSSED THE, UH, THE DETAIL IN THE SPEC OF THE TYPE OF, UH, DETAILED FOR THE GRANITE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT BEFORE THIS LAST MEETING. 
          YES. 
          I SAT RIGHT BACK THERE AND SAID IT. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW YOU WERE SITTING IN FRONT OF ME. 
          I DON'T RECALL THAT CONVERSATION THOUGH, ON THE MEMORIAL, BUT OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. 
          I THINK THEY HAVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION GO WITH THAT RIGHT 
          [  City Newsletter]
NEXT UP. 
          OH, YOU HAVE OTHER ITEMS ON YOUR . 
          YEP. 
          UH, NEXT IS A NEWSLETTER. 
          UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN, THERE'S A, UM, ELEMENT OF THE NEWSLETTER THAT WE'RE UTILIZING THE WEBSITE FOR A SIGNUP AND DISTRIBUTION, UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CHECK IT OUT, UM, PLEASE DO. 
          SO I THINK, UH, THAT IT WAS, SARAH DID A GOOD JOB AND, UH, GETTING A PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY BUILD ON, AND IT'LL BE VERY EASY FOR RESIDENTS TO, UH, SIGN UP FOR AND, UM, AND HAVE DISTRIBUTED AS WE, AS WE PUBLISH IT AND CONTINUE BUILDING THAT NEXT ITEM IS, DID THAT GO AWAY? 
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I'M GOOD. 
          UH, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN, UH, REALLOCATING, THE CDBG MONEY THAT WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY FOR THE MARION, UM, UM, MEADOWS DEMO PROJECT. 
          UH, AS WE TALKED ABOUT MOVING INTO THE TIMELINE FOR THE NEXT AWARD FOR THAT CDBG TO PICK BACK UP, UM, IN THE TIMELINE FOR THE LAND BANK FOR ACQUISITION OF SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES IN MIAMI VILLA, UH, IN VR PC, UH, DENIED OUR, UH, CHAMBERSBURG WEST PROJECT. 
          UH, WE MISSED IT BY THREE POINTS. 
          UM, BUT IN THE TIMELINE OF THINGS, BASED ON SOME OF THE PROSPECTIVE DEVELOPMENT THAT MIGHT OCCUR DOWN THERE, UH, WITH THEIR WIDENING OF THE ROAD, THE TIMING OF IT MIGHT BE ACTUALLY GOOD TO HAVE IT, UM, IN, IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR CYCLE. 
          SO, UM, WE DON'T SEE TOO MUCH HARM IN THAT, AND IT SHOULDN'T, UH, UM, OBSTRUCT US TOO MUCH FROM KEEPING ON TO THAT, TO THAT PROJECT. 
          AND THE OTHER END ODAT IS AGAIN ASKING FOR YET MORE INFORMATION FOR THE CHAMBERSBURG EAST PROJECT, UH, THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED, UH, THE UPDATED INFORMATION FOR THAT MCRPC HAS IN FACT, UM, APPROVED AND BECAUSE, OH, DOT CREATED A DELAY IN THAT, THAT ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF THE CAUSES OF REDUCTION OF POINTS FOR OUR CHAMBERSBURG WEST, UM, APPLICATION. 
          UH, SO WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL RESOLVE THAT AND GET OUR APPROVAL WITHIN THIS TIMELINE. 
          UH, BUT WE, UH, THAT'S STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS. 
          UH, SPEAKING OF PROJECTS, BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD WILL BE CLOSED STARTING NEXT WEEK FOR ABOUT 120 DAYS FOR THE CULVERTS AND THE ROAD WIDENING, UM, UH, PROJECT THERE BETWEEN FITCHBURG AND CHAMBERSBURG, UH, CHAMBERSBURG STEROIDS FOR JUST ABOUT THE SAME TIME. 
          UH, WE'LL BE CLOSED BY ODAT FOR ABOUT FIVE MONTHS FOR BRIDGE TRUST REPLACEMENT THERE. 
          UH, AND THAT PROJECT IS COMING UP. 
          WE ALSO ARE STARTING OUR BUS SHELTER, UH, INSTALLATION, UH, THEY'RE, UH, CREATING, INFORMING SOME OF THE PADS TO, UH, TO GET THAT, UH, GOING FOR THE NINE ADDITIONAL BUS SHELTERS THAT WE'LL BE INSTALLING. 
          UH, IF YOU RECALL, WE GOT A GRANT TO GET POWER COTS FOR THE MEDICS. 
          THOSE WILL BE INSTALLED AND BROUGHT IN NEXT WEEK. 
          UH, THE GRANT THAT WAS APPLIED FOR, FOR THE TRAILS AT THE PARK OFF OF LONGFORD, UM, HAS BEEN DELAYED IN ITS ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          AGAIN, IT'S HOPEFUL THAT THEY WILL, UH, MAKE THOSE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND DECISIONS NEXT MONTH. 
          THERE'S NOT BEEN DENIALS, IT'S JUST BEEN DELAYS, UH, WHICH WE HAVE. 
          UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE A KIND OF A COMMON THING AS PEOPLE ARE, ARE READDRESSING THEIR PHYSICALS FOR, FOR THIS YEAR. 
          UH, CONSEQUENTLY EPA HAS DELAYED, UH, THEIR DECISION FOR OUR, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT THEY, UH, AT THE MUSIC CENTER, UH, WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DELAY TIME, BUT IT WILL BE NOTIFIED, UM, WHEN THEY MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT, BUT THAT HAS BEEN DELAYED. 
          UM, SPEAKING OF THE EPA, WE ARE GOING TO BE, UM, REQUIRED TO DO A TEST OF OUR WELL NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS WELL, THAT WAS ADDED, UH, WHEN WE DID THE WATER SOFTENING, IT'S A 76 HOUR LONG TEST THAT, UH, REQUIRES US TO PUMP ABOUT 12 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER AND WASTED INTO THE RIVER. 
          UM, IT'S GOING TO COST US ABOUT $72,000 TO HAVE THE TEST DONE. 
          IT'S GOING TO COST US AN ADDITIONAL 15,000 TO ACTUALLY DO THE TEST. 
          UH, AND THAT WILL ALSO NECESSITATE THE CLOSING OF RIPRAP ROAD DURING THAT 76 HOUR TESTING PERIOD, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PUMP THE WATER IN A PIPE ACROSS THE ROAD AND INTO THE RIVER RATHER THAN FLOODING THE LAND. 
          SO THE PURPOSE OF THE TEST IS TO SEE THE EFFECT OF THAT WELL, WORKING AT FULL AND OVER CAPACITY ON THE REST OF THE WELLS TO SEE IF, UH, THE HIGH USE OF THAT WOULD DRAW DOWN THE ACCESSIBLE WATER FROM THE OTHER FIVE WELLS. 
          SO, UM, IT'S JUST A NECESSARY THING THAT IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE, UH, THE TESTING. 
          UM, WE'VE ASKED, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS IF WE CAN AVOID WASTING THE WATER, UH, WHERE WE COULD INCREASE PRODUCTION TO THE PLANT FROM THAT WELL SOLELY. 
          SO AS TO NOT, UM, BASICALLY RUN OFF 12 MILLION GALLONS, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THE OTHER WELLS REMAIN FUNCTIONING AS THEY ARE, AND SEE WHAT EXTRA USE DRAWS DOWN THAT. 
          SO, UH, PART OF THAT REQUIREMENT, AND WE'LL BE FINE. 
          WE'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO CONDUCT AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING WALKING PATHS AND TOM CLOUD PARK FOR THE RESURFACING PROJECT. 
          UH, THE WALKING PATHS WERE, UH, IT WAS PART OF A GRANT TO RESURFACE THOSE, UH, BUT THAT WILL BE DELAYED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO CONDUCT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FOR, UM, FOR THE FURBISHED, NONE OF THE EXISTING PATHS. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT SOME BID OPENINGS, FRIDAY'S BID OPENING FOR THE STREET AND SIDEWALK PROGRAM. 
          SO WE WILL START TO SEE THAT OPENING AND THEN, UH, SCHEDULED TIMELINES FOR THAT. 
          THE FOLLOWING FRIDAY WILL BE THE WATER AND SEWER LINING PROJECT THAT WE, UH, THAT WE APPROVED. 
          UH, AND THE FOLLOWING FRIDAY AFTER THAT WILL BE THE BID OPENING FOR THE, UH, DEMO CONTRACT FOR THE NEED MORE ROAD WATER PLANT, UH, TRASH SERVICE BID 
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WILL BE RELEASED THIS THURSDAY. 
          OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE BID WILL BE RELEASED NEXT THURSDAY. 
          AND, UH, WE RECEIVED FINAL LETTERS FROM THE ARCHITECTS FOR SOUTH POINT CROSSING DEMO WORK, UH, AND THE CONTRACTORS WILL NOW BE ABLE TO START PULLING PERMITS AND GET THAT ON THEIR SCHEDULE, UM, FOR THAT. 
          SO WE, UM, HAD TO DO SOME STUDIES ON A RISER, UH, FOR EXISTING WATER SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND, UM, THE REMAINING PART OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND, UH, WE HAD TO HAVE SOME ARCHITECTURAL WORK ON THAT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S DONE IN PERMITS CAN BE FILLED, UH, TAYLORSVILLE AND TWO OH TWO, A MASS FARM AND TURN LANE WIDENING PROJECT A IS BEGUN. 
          THEY STARTED TO CLEAR SOME VEGETATION, YOU SEE SOME MARKERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT OUT THERE. 
          THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON IS YOU RECALL PART OF OUR, UM, UH, MASSIVE ENERGY PRODUCT OR PROJECT THAT INCLUDE INSTALLATION AND REFURBISHMENT OF THAT INTERSECTION FROM AS TERMS TO IMPROVE, UH, SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY TO THAT INTERSECTION FLOWING INTO TWO OH TWO. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE A CURRENT SAFETY STEADY ONGOING FOR STATE ROUTE TWO OH TWO, UH, TO SEE WHAT ELIGIBLE FUNDS THROUGH ODAT SAFETY PROGRAM, UH, WOULD, WOULD BE USED FOR OUR UPCOMING, UM, PROJECTS AND IMPROVEMENTS ARE ONGOING PROJECTS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO STATE ROUTE TWO OH TWO, UH, IN THAT CORRIDOR. 
          UH, AND WE WILL BE COMING HERE SOON FOR AN RFP TO DO AN ACTUAL, UH, ENGINEERING AND DESIGN STUDY FOR, UH, LANE IMPROVEMENTS NORTH OF MERELY WAY AND TO  ACCESS. 
          UH, SO, UH, WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE THAT FORTHCOMING, UH, AND FINALLY REGARDING ROADS, WE HAD A, UM, UM, UH, A PAVEMENT ISSUE AND CONCERNS ON ALTAR NEAR MONTICELLO. 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE BEEN OUT AND WE HAVE EXAMINED, WE HAVE REPAIRED THE SURFACE OF THE PAVEMENT FOR THE TIME BEING UNTIL THE ASPHALT PLANTS OPEN, AND WE WILL DO THE PERMANENT REPAIRS. 
          UH, BUT I THINK THE STREETS GUYS DID A GREAT JOB, AND WE ALSO DID SOME STRESS TESTING OF THE AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO DEGRADATION OF THE SUB-BASE. 
          UH, AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH SOME CORE SAMPLING, UH, BEYOND OUR, UH, OUR HEAVY PRESSURE TEST THAT WAS CONDUCTED WITH SOME HEAVY EQUIPMENT, UM, UH, TODAY AND YESTERDAY. 
          SO, UH, THAT AREA HAS BEEN, UM, HAS BEEN REPAIRED, BUT THAT REPAIR IS NOT PERMANENT, BUT IS, IS, IS VERY SUITABLE FOR, UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE NEEDED THERE. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ALL THE ITEMS I HAD FOR THIS EVENING. 
          SO THE FLOOD GATES OPEN WITH A LOT OF THE BIDS AND OPENINGS AND, AND PROJECTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          AND A LOT OF UPDATES THAT WE'VE GOT REGARDING SOME PENDING STUFF. 
          SO HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK I'LL HAVE NOTHING, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. SCHOMER REGARDING ANY ITEMS AND THE CITY MANAGER REPORT YES. 
          SHOP. 
          UM, WOW. 
          THAT WAS A LOT, YEAH. 
          MARATHON. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS A QUITE A BIT, UM, ROB, I WOULD SAY, UH, ALL GOOD INFORMATION. 
          UH, THE ONLY ONE THAT'S, UH, UM, UH, BECOMING A HARD PILL FOR ME TO SWALLOW IS THE ROUGHLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND WASTING OF WATER CLOSING DOWN OUR ROAD. 
          UM, ALL BECAUSE THE EPA, UM, NEEDS TO BOOST THEIR REVENUE. 
          UH, IS THIS ON THE OHIO EPA COUNTY EPA FEDERAL EPA, OR IS THIS JUST SOME GUY IN A ROOM SAYING THAT WE GOT TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE PUT A WELL IN AND HE'S LOOKING TO RUIN OUR DAY? WELL, THE ABOVE I'LL LET ALL THAT SCOTT TALKED ABOUT SOME SPECIFICS, UM, BECAUSE HE'S INVOLVED, BUT, UH, YEAH, IT IS, IT IS PART OF, AND WE KNEW THIS PART OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE WELL, BUT SCOTT AND THEN MY SECONDARY FOLLOWUP SCOTT, WHILE YOU'RE ENTERING, IF JERRY, UH, UM, MCDONALD, IF, UH, YOU CAN FIND SOME KIND OF WAY, UH, WHILE SCOTT'S ANSWERING MY FIRST QUESTION, UM, THAT W WE CAN POLITELY TELL THE EPA TO PACK SAND, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. 
          THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED TOO. 
          SCOTT, I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THIS IS OKAY. 
          IT IS WORKING. 
          UM, SO TH THE EPA REQUIREMENT IS WHEN YOU INSTALL A NEW WELL THAT YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY DO A STRESS TEST ON YOUR SYSTEM TO SEE HOW THAT AFFECTS THE OTHER WELLS WE OPENED WHEN WE DID OUR SOFTENING PROJECT AND ADDED A, WELL, THIS WAS A REQUIREMENT. 
          THEY ALLOWED US TO OPEN OUR PLANTS AND ACTIVATE THAT WELL, UM, WITHOUT THIS INFORMATION, KNOWING THAT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD REQUIRE IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, IT, THE COST FOR IT IS NOT GOING TO THE EPA. 
          IT'S GOING TO THE CONSULTANT THAT HAS TO BRING IN ALL THE EQUIPMENT. 
          THEY HAVE TO PUT IN DIFFERENT DEVICES, INTO EACH OTHER. 
          WELL, TO MEASURE THINGS, RUN THE REPORTS, THE CALCULATIONS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          UM, THE WASTING OF THE WATER ITSELF,  WE, THAT ADDITIONAL 15,000 OR SO TO THE RIVER IS A, UM, LET'S SAY A BETTER OPTION THAN TRYING TO ALLOW IT TO GO STRAIGHT OUT, UH, NEXT TO THE WELL, BECAUSE THAT'LL AFFECT THAT, THAT WAS SOAK DOWN 
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INTO THE GROUND, AND THAT WILL AFFECT THE INFILTRATION AND WHAT THE WELLS ARE PRODUCING. 
          SO, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY THAT PUTS IN A NEW WEALTH HAS TO DO. 
          IT'S NOT JUST US ON THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THE COST GOES TO THE CONSULTANTS AND THE RENTING OF DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT. 
          SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, AND JERRY, THIS IS GOING TO BE WHERE THE FOLLOWUP IS GOING TO COME TO YOU. 
          WE'VE HAD THIS WELL IN THIS WATER SOFTENING OPERATING FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE PUT IT THROUGH A TEST AND IT'S WORKING, UM, AND EPA ALLOWED US TO OPERATE AT THE BEGINNING WITHOUT THIS HAPPENING. 
          WHY ARE THEY COMING BACK NOW, AS WE JUST FELL ON THEIR SCHEDULE, THEIR RADAR TO PICK ON TIME, OR IT WAS PART OF ALLOWING US TO OPEN IT WHEN WE WANTED TO OPEN. 
          AND WE DID ASK THAT EXACT QUESTION, A COUPLE MEETINGS WITH THEM AND SAID, HEY, WE ARE RUNNING IT. 
          WE CAN SHOW YOU HOW IT IS RUNNING. 
          WE CAN TURN IT ON FULL, FULL BLAST TOO, WITH OUR SYSTEM, UM, AND GIVE YOU ALL THE RESULTS THAT WE ARE GETTING FROM THE PLANT. 
          AND THEY JUST SAID, THAT'S NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ROUTE OF GETTING THE INFORMATION. 
          SO THERE IS ANOTHER TEST THAT CAN BE DONE THAT DOESN'T WASTE THE WATER TO THE RIVER, BUT IT'S ABOUT DOUBLE COST THAT, THAT MADE ZERO SENSE BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S MEASURED IN THE DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT AND THE DIFFERENT, UM, UH, WAYS TO DO THE ANALYSIS, UH, THAT, UH, IT, IT, THERE'S MORE COST IN ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT AT DIFFERENT PLACES WITHIN THE SYSTEM DO IT. 
          SO WE'VE LOOKED AT FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THINGS TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO BRING THE COSTS DOWN, BUT THIS IS THE CHEAPEST OF ANYTHING THAT'S COME UP WITH. 
          WE ORIGINALLY HAD ABOUT $130,000 FOR THE COST OF THE TEST. 
          SO, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TEST AND GET IT DOWN TO 72. 
          SO I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE IN THE ROOM THAT THINKS, YEAH, I'M SAYING IT NICELY, PROBABLY. 
          UM, AND I GUESS MARY, IF I MAY, UH, FOLLOW UP WITH JERRY, JERRY, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN TELL THE EPA THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE BEEN OPERATING THIS PLANT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THEIR TEST IS RIDICULOUS AND IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY AND IT'S WASTE OF WATER. 
          YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODES TO PARTICULARLY WHAT IT IS THAT THEY REQUIRING OF US TO SEE IF THERE'S AN APPEAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING WITH THE APA, IT'S JUST SHUT UP AND DO IT. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          SO I'LL WORK, BUT I WILL LOOK INTO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY, MY OPINION, UH, AS, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I MEAN, THAT'S ALMOST, I DON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN YOU SAY LIKE 70 PLUS HOURS THAT WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN 76, 76 HOURS, SHUT THE ROAD DOWN AND WASTE A BUNCH OF WATER, UH, BRINGING IN A CONSULTANT TEAM. 
          UM, AND, UH, I THINK I HEARD 70 PLUS 15. 
          I'M JUST GOING TO SAY ROUGHLY 90, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M I THINK AT LEAST MY OPINION, LOOKING INTO THAT APPEAL PROCESS IS BENEFICIAL. 
          AND MR. MAYOR, THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          ROB, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL THE SURE. 
          DID. 
          WE KNOW? I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY, WE KNEW THIS TEST WAS REQUIRED AS IT WAS SO OPENING, OPENING THE WELL BEING THE WATER RUNNING AGAIN WAS CONDITIONAL UPON THIS FUTURE TEST IS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THE COST. 
          UM, WE KNEW THAT THEY WANTED A TEST TO SEE THE SYSTEM THAT'S WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DO THAT TEST. 
          AND THE FIRST ONE THAT CAME BACK WAS THAT 130,000 OR SO, UM, WE WAXED EPA TO ASK THEM THAT QUESTION SAYING, HEY, THIS IS RIDICULOUS. 
          AND WE TALKED THROUGH EACH POINT TO SEE FRAME OFF OF THAT TO GET DOWN TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          I JUST, THE BIG THING, I THINK WITH WHAT JERRY SAID, WHEN EPA TELLS YOU SOMETHING, YOU TYPICALLY, YOU JUST DO IT BECAUSE WHAT THE EPA HAS THE ABILITY TO JUST COME BACK AND LEAVE YOU A BUNCH OF FINES AGAINST THE CITY, WHICH THEY HAD ALREADY THREATENED US AT ONE TIME BEFORE WE GOT A LETTER ABOUT THE, ONE OF THE, THE, THE OLD SYSTEM. 
          UM, OH, I ASKED THAT QUESTION. 
          WELL, HOW MUCH IS FINE? IS IT LESS THAN A, WELL, YEAH, SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE IT'S DAILY. 
          I THINK IT WOULD ALL BE FUN TO TELL THE EPA TO GO, GO PACK SAND AS MR. SHAW SAID, BUT, UM, NOT IN REGARD TO THEN, WELL, THEN YOU GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          FINE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UH, I THINK WE JUST GOTTA BE SMART ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, AND I'M SURE JERRY WILL, WAS, HE LOOKS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, ANY APPEAL THERE, MR. LYONS. 
          THANK 
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YOU. 
          MAYOR, MAYOR DE A BRIDGE ON CHAMBERSBURG OVER ROUTE FOUR AND TWO 35. 
          ABOUT HOW LONG IS THAT SCHEDULED TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION? I THINK I HEARD MR. SCHIRMER SAY ABOUT FIVE MONTHS. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          WAS THAT FIVE MONTHS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, PROJECT ON BELL FOUNTAIN BETWEEN CHAMBERSBURG AND FISHBURG, WAS THAT THE 120 DAYS? THAT IS CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CAMPBELL. 
          YES. 
          UH, BACK TO THE EPA SCOTT BELL KOSKI. 
          YES. 
          UH, WHAT IS THE ORDER AND WHEN IS IT? UH, THE WHAT'S THE ORDER FROM THE EPA AND WHAT'S THE DEADLINE? THE ORDER IS TO RUN A TEST ON THE SYSTEM TO CHECK THE CAPACITY OF THE WELL FIELD AND EACH OF OUR EXISTING WELLS AND HOW THE NEW WELL AFFECTS THOSE WELLS. 
          UM, THE DEADLINE, THEY, UM, HAVE JUST ASKED US TO PROPOSE SOMETHING. 
          UM, THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN A FLAT DEADLINE OF THAT. 
          SO WE ARE LOOKING TO TRY AND DO THIS AFTER THE SPRING SEASON, AFTER THE WET WEATHER, UM, WHEN IT'S A LITTLE DRY. 
          SO, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TIME FOR JERRY TO DO SOME RESEARCH. 
          YES. 
          AND JERRY, HOW LONG DO YOU SEE YOUR RESEARCH TAKING PLYMOUTH NARROWLY AFTER I GET MY HEAD AROUND EXACTLY WHAT THE ORDER IS ON, WHERE THEIR AUTHORITY FOR THAT ORDER COMES FROM. 
          UM, I CAN HAVE IT BY THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE IN MR. SCHOMER SAY MANAGER UPDATE. 
          OKAY. 
          [  Supplemental Appropriations]
ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS. 
          I BELIEVE JIM HAS HAD TO DIAL IN. 
          HE WAS HAVING, UM, SOME LAPTOP ISSUES. 
          JIM, ARE YOU ONLINE LIVE? I AM ANDY A LONG TIME LISTENER. 
          FIRST TIME CALLER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME FEEDBACK I, I JUST JOINED, UM, LIVE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE ME SOME YEARS. 
          WE DON'T SEE YOU, BUT WE HEAR YOU, BUT YEAH, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME FEEDBACK. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M HEARING THAT FEEDBACK. 
          SO I'M GOING TO LOG OFF AND THEN JUST STAY ON THE PHONE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT, UM, FOR, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, CHANGES TO THE BUDGET. 
          AND, UH, THERE ARE NO CHANGES FROM WHAT I SUBMITTED IN YOUR PACKET FOR THIS WEEK. 
          THE FIRST ITEM IS A TRANSFER FROM THE FIREFIGHTERS ASSISTANCE GRANT FUND. 
          AND THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT ROB MENTIONED EARLIER, THE POWER HOT, UH, THIS WAS ACTUALLY, UH, ENCUMBERED IN THE FIRE CAPITAL FUND. 
          AND THE REASON THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS TRANSFER IS BECAUSE THE GRANT MONEY IS COMING IN AS THE FIREFIGHTERS ASSISTANCE GRANT FUND. 
          SO I'LL BRING IT INTO THAT FUND. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU WERE TRAINING FOR THAT MONEY OVER TO THE FIRE CAPITAL FUND TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WILL BE 90% OF THAT PROJECT, THE OTHER 10% IS COMING OUT OF THE FIRE CAPITAL FUNDS. 
          SO THAT EXPENSE HAD NOT BEEN A BUDGETED ITEM. 
          NUMBER TWO, $167,247 IS, UM, UH, THIS YOU MIGHT REMEMBER IS THE, UH, CONTRACT FOR THE RMS AND CAD SOFTWARE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY WITH ANOTHER COMPANY AND IS NOW WITH MOTOROLA, UH, DUE TO THE FACT THAT SOME MONEY HAD ALREADY BEEN PAID TO THAT OTHER COMPANY. 
          WE NEED TO, UM, UH, ADD TO THE BUDGET THAT ONE 67, TWO 47 TO THE MOTOROLA, UH, TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF THAT ENTIRE CONTRACT. 
          UH, THEN THE NEXT ITEM IS $10,000. 
          UH, THIS IS, UM, WE FINALLY ARE STARTING TO SEE SOME TIFF DOLLARS COME IN TO THE, UM, MONTGOMERY COUNTY CENTRAL TIP FUND, WHICH IS THE, UH, FAMILY DOLLAR PROPERTY. 
          SO WE'LL, WE WILL HAVE SOME EXPENSES IN THERE. 
          AND, UH, $10,000 IS MY ESTIMATE AS TO WHAT SHOULD COVER THAT FOR OUR 2021 EXPENSES. 
          AND THEN FINALLY THE FOURTH ITEM IS A, UM, WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THE BUDGET, 
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THERE'S ALWAYS THE, UH, NINE 11 WIRELESS EXPENSES. 
          THAT'S AN ESTIMATE AT THAT TIME AND IT WAS OVERESTIMATED. 
          AND SO I'M ASKING COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY REDUCE THAT BUDGET BY $302,415 TO GET THAT TO THE EXACT AMOUNT OF THE FUNDS THAT HAVE COME IN FOR THAT PROGRAM. 
          SO THE FULL IMPACT IS, UM, OF ALL FUNDS IS A NET REDUCTION TO THE OVERALL BUDGET OF $125,168. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BELL, APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, ALWAYS LIKED TO SEE A BUDGET HEADING THAT DIRECTION. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS MRS. BURCH? YES. 
          JIM, DID WE GET THE MONEY BACK FROM THE OTHER COMPANY WE STARTED WITH, WITH MOTOROLA? NO, WE, WE, WE DID NOT. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE WORK THAT HAD BEEN DONE UP TO THAT POINT, WE JUST STOPPED. 
          UM, THEY HAD DONE SOME WORK AND THEY WERE PAID, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE DESIGNS OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT. 
          IF YOU RECALL THAT WE WERE ONLY GOING TO PAY BASED ON PERFORMANCE. 
          AND, UH, UM, UH, PART OF THE AGREEMENT FOR SEPARATION WAS THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO OWE THEM ANYTHING MORE. 
          AND WE WERE SETTLED WITH WHAT WE HAD PAID UP TO THAT POINT. 
          WE HAD A THEN CURRENT INVOICE THAT WE DID NOT PAY, UH, BUT WHAT HAD BEEN PAID PREVIOUS. 
          UM, WE DID NOT RECOUP BECAUSE, BECAUSE WORK HAS WORK WAS DONE FOR THAT, FOR THAT PORTION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. LYONS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, JIM, IT'S GREAT TO HEAR ABOUT THE, UH, POWER CUTS AND THE PURCHASE WITH THE TRANSFER, THE MONEY, UM, MAYOR, UH, HOW MANY WEEKS AGO WAS IT THAT THE NEW FIRE CHIEF WAS? I THINK WHAT JUST, UM, PROBABLY THE LAST 30 TO 45 DAYS. 
          I WOULDN'T THINK IT WAS ANY LONGER THAN THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, AMERICAN WAY CLARIFY, IF THAT A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS LEGISLATION, TWO RATINGS ARE THE SECOND RATING NEEDS TO BE WAIVED. 
          YES, MR. BELL, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THIS, UH, IMMEDIATELY, SO, UH, ON, UH, MONDAY NIGHT. 
          SO THAT WAY THAT, UH, DOLLARS FOR THE MOTOROLA CONTRACT COULD BE ADDED AND ALSO WITH THE INSTALLATION OF THE COTS COMING NEXT WEEK, THE A, THE INVOICE WILL BE DUE SHORTLY THEREAFTER. 
          SO, SO JUST WAVING IN THE SECOND READING OR DOES THAT NEED TO BE EMERGENCY? JUST WAVING A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SUPPLEMENTAL? OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP AS ITEM 
          [  Culture and Diversity Citizens Action Commission Recommendations]
THREE C, WHICH IS THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY SYSTEMS ACTION COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO I KNOW WE HAD, UH, AT A PREVIOUS WORK SESSION, WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM, UH, MRS. STEVENS AND MS. SOMEONE REGARDING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM BELL IS NOW EXITING. 
          SO THEY HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, IN A PRESENTATION THEY'D MADE FOR COUNCIL TO, UH, TO CONSIDER. 
          AND I THINK SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UM, WERE, UH, CERTAINLY A LITTLE MORE URGENT THAN, THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO HAVE THIS ITEM BACK ON THE AGENDA TO, TO BRING SOME OF THESE ITEMS BACK UP AGAIN, TO KEEP THEM IN FRONT OF COUNCIL SO THEY COULD MAKE SOME DECISIONS BASED ON, UH, WHAT THEY SAW FIT AND MOVING THINGS TOGETHER FASTER. 
          UH, I'LL JUST I'LL START. 
          I KNOW MR. MCDONALD HAD MENTIONED, WE HAD TO MAYBE THINK ABOUT, OR WORRY ABOUT HOW SOME OF THE FUNDS WERE GOING TO BE SPENT REGARDING THAT. 
          UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE POETRY CONTEST OR THE ESSAY CONTEST FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. 
          AND I THINK MY INTERPRETATION OF, OF JERRY'S EMAIL TO ME WAS AS LONG AS IT'S NOT, UM, MONEY THAT WOULD BE LEFT UP TO CHANCE, THEN I THINK, UH, THE CITY IS FULLY CAPABLE THEN OF FUNDING A PROJECT LIKE THAT. 
          UH, AND I THINK THIS WOULD, UH, IN MY OPINION, AND WE'LL GET JERRY'S, BUT IF THERE ARE JUDGES THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY JUDGING THIS ESSAY CONTEST SPECIFICALLY FOR A WINNER, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SETS UP TO CHANCE. 
          I THINK THAT IS BEING JUDGED ON ITS MERITS. 
          AND THEREFORE WE COULD PROVIDE THAT MONEY TO THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION TO DO THAT. 
          SO IT'S NOT DEEMED AS GAMBLING, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIG THING WE DON'T, UM, ISSUE MONEY OR, UH, PROVIDE MONEY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED GAMBLING. 
          BUT THIS IS FOR A SPECIFIC REASON SPECIFIC CONTEST IT'S BEING JUDGED BASED ON THE MERITS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUBMITTING, UH, OR THE STUDENTS THAT ARE SUBMITTING THEIR ESSAYS. 
          SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD KIND OF BE THE FIRST, THE FIRST ONE FOR COUNCILS 
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CONSIDER FUNDING THAT PROJECT FOR THEM. 
          UH, I THINK THE ISSUES OF THE WEBSITE. 
          UM, SO IF I JUST GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE COMMISSION AT THAT WORK SESSION OR FROM MRS. STEVENS AND MISS SOMEONE, WE HAD THE SOME WEBSITE UPDATES. 
          SO, UM, STATEMENT ON THE CITY, IF HE WRITES WEBSITE DENOUNCING RACISM, UH, REVISING THE WEBSITE, UH, THROUGH A DIVERSE EQUITY LENS, UH, I CAN, UH, WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I'VE KIND OF BEEN ON THE WEBSITE AND LOOKED, OUR WEBSITE IS MORE ABOUT PLACES AND THINGS. 
          AND WHEN I THINK OF THE IMAGES THAT ARE ON THERE AND NOT SO MUCH, UH, PEOPLE, BUT IF WE, IF WE WANT TO MAKE IT, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT CHANGING THE OVERALL THEME. 
          AND I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY WRONG WITH THAT. 
          I'VE, I'VE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER CITY WEBSITES AND SEEN PHOTOS OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WORKING, PEOPLE ENGAGED IN THEIR WORK AND THEIR JOB IN THE CITY. 
          UH, SO IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING THAT TYPE OF A CHANGE IN HOW WE LOOK IN THE FIELD, NOT THE LOOK, BUT THE FEEL OF THE WEBSITE THROUGH PHOTOS. 
          AND I CERTAINLY THINK WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE, UH, SOME INCLUSIVE PICTURES THAT ARE, THAT ARE INVOLVED, BUT AGAIN, UH, CERTAINLY THE COUNCIL DISCRETION, UM, THE WEBPAGE LAYOUT FOR THE COMMISSION. 
          SO EACH COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE A LINK TO THEIR OWN DESIGNATED PAGE. 
          UM, AND THEN THOSE PAGES COULD BREAK OUT TO INCLUDE WHAT THE MISSION ACTIVITIES WERE, A COMMITTEE MEMBER, CONTACT INFORMATION, RESOURCES, ET CETERA, AND THEN PROVIDE AN UNBIASED REPORTING PROCESS FOR CITIZENS TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS AND SUBMIT COMPLAINTS THROUGH AN UNBIASED MEANS WITHOUT FEAR OF RETALIATION. 
          AND I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE CITI APP THAT WE HAD IN THAT LAST DISCUSSION WHERE, UM, PEOPLE COULD USE THAT AS A, POSSIBLY A FORM TO, UH, TO MAKE THOSE COMPLAINTS AND STILL BE ABLE TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS, UH, UH, AS A WAY THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING RETALIATED AGAINST. 
          SO FROM ANY WEBSITE, UM, SO FIRST I WOULD ASK JUST ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF OVER THE BUDGET. 
          JERRY, DID I GET THAT RIGHT? IN TERMS OF FUNDING, THE, THE MONEY FOR, UH, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ESSAY CONTEST WAS MY INTERPRETATION OF YOUR EMAIL, CORRECT? YEAH, THERE WAS, THERE'S MULTIPLE PARTS TO IT. 
          ONE OF THEM WAS THAT IT CAN'T BE, UM, BY CHANCE, WHICH IS WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE OTHER ONE IS THERE HAS TO BE A FINDING THAT IT'S A PUBLIC PURPOSE, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT IS RELATIVELY EASY TO DO. 
          IS THAT JUST THROUGH COUNCIL DECLARATION THAT THE, OR COUNCIL ACTION THAT THAT CONTEST IS, IS PUBLIC. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          SO THAT, SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE FAIRLY EASY AND FAIRLY QUICKLY BECAUSE THE CONTEST IS, I BELIEVE PROBABLY JUST, JUST NOT SURE. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE CONFUSIONS, AT LEAST FROM MY PART, IN SOME CONCERNS OF OTHERS WAS ON THE, UM, A FACEBOOK ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WAS MADE. 
          UM, THE TERMINAL CASH WAS USED, UM, UH, THROUGH THE, UM, CITY SPONSORED CULTURE AND DIVERSITY, UH, FACEBOOK PAGE, THE WORD CASH PRIZE WAS USED. 
          UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN JERRY'S EMAIL THE WAY, UM, MY INTERPRETATION WAS THIS COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO PUT A PIECE OF LEGISLATION TOGETHER, ALLOWING THAT PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY NOT HANDING OUT CASH DIRECTLY, BUT IN, IN DIFFERENT FORMS OF PAYMENT AND SUCH. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE CONFUSION MAY LIE. 
          UM, AND MAYBE THAT THE TERMS IN THAT ADVERTISEMENT MAY NEED TO BE ALTERED OR CHANGED OR REDEFINED, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COUNCIL AND THE CITY IS PROTECTED, UH, THROUGH THE LEGISLATION THAT WE WOULD PUT TOGETHER TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. 
          UM, SO THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I SAW SOME FOLKS HAD BROUGHT THAT TO MY ATTENTION. 
          AND I THINK IT WAS VERY WELL-DEFINED IN JERRY'S EMAIL AS WELL. 
          YEP. 
          AND I THINK, AND MR. ROGERS, I THINK YOU SAID WE COULD USE, WE COULD PURCHASE GIFT CARDS IN THE WORLD. 
          THE REWARD WOULD ACTUALLY BE, OR THE AWARD, MAYBE A VISA GIFT CARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S, ARE WE GOING TO CHECKS OR YEAH. 
          I MEAN, HOWEVER, SO I THINK THE, SO I THINK, YEAH, THE DEVIL'S MIGHT BE IN THE DETAILS. 
          UM, NO, I THINK IT WAS 500 TUNNEL, 500 TOTAL. 
          IT WAS TO FIRST PLACE AWARDS OF 150 FOR EACH GRADES AND TO SECOND PLACE AWARDS OF, OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR EACH GRADE. 
          SO IT WAS A TOTAL OF $500. 
          SO I THINK THAT THE BIG ISSUE HERE IS, IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM COUNCIL TO MOVING FORWARD AND, AND DESIGNING WHATEVER LEGISLATION WE NEED TO DESIGNATE THAT A PUBLIC PURPOSE AND THEN, AND THEN ACCOUNTING FOR THOSE FUNDS. 
          OKAY, MARY, I WOULD JUST HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION. 
          UM, IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT LEGISLATION TOGETHER OF THAT NATURE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, AND ANTONIO COULD CORRECT ME, UM, UH, PROCEDURALLY, UM, WOULD WE NOT BE ABLE TO ENCOMPASS THE ENTIRE BUDGET REQUEST AFTER ONCE DISCUSSED AND TO THAT ONE PIECE OF LEGISLATION, UH, THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE PIECE OF LEGISLATION TO DECLARE A PUBLIC PURPOSE. 
          IF THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE BUDGET FOR THAT PARTICULAR COMMISSION THAT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH THE SUPPLEMENTAL PREPARATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND, 
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AND, AND I, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFICATION ON THAT. 
          I KNOW JIM HAD JUST MADE HIS SUPPLEMENTAL, UM, YOU KNOW, DECLARATION, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE MOVE FORWARD AND START THAT DISCUSSION, IF WE WANT TO AMEND THAT FOR MONDAY, IF THIS COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE ITEMS. OKAY. 
          SO I THINK I WOULD, UM, I WOULD LOOK FOR, UH, COUNCIL DIRECTION AT THAT END ONCE WE KINDA, UH, AS WE GET THROUGH THIS, UM, IN DETERMINING WHAT OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, AND THEN WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT ORDER AND WHAT THE LEGISLATION NEEDS TO SAY AND, AND GET THOSE DETAILS WORKED OUT. 
          I THINK WE JUST, W WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT A LOT OF THESE ITEMS LAST TIME. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NOTHING SPECIFIC THAT WAS MOVED FROM THE LAST WORK SESSION. 
          IT WAS MORE DISCUSSION PRESENTATION. 
          SO THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, SO I WANTED TO BRING THEM BACK AT THIS TIME, SO WE COULD GET SOME RESOLUTION ON, ON THESE ITEMS THAT THEY BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. 
          SO, YES, YEP. 
          UH, TO THE, UH, THE WEBSITE HERE WERE SOME OUTSIDE CREATING A WEBPAGE LAYOUT FOR THE COMMISSION WHERE THE COMMITTEES HAVE THEIR OWN PAGE AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF WITH MISSION ACTIVITIES, MEMBER, CONTACT INFORMATION, DOES THAT KIND OF ALREADY EXIST WITH OUR DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE BOARD DOES, WHO THE MEMBERS ARE AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF. 
          YEAH. 
          IT SURE DOES. 
          UM, THE COMMITTEES SUB COMMITTEES OF THAT COMMISSION. 
          NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT, IT HAS SOMETHING SEPARATE FOR THAT, IF THAT'S NO, NO, I THINK THE COMMISSION ITSELF, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          IT HAS ITS INDIVIDUAL PAGE. 
          AND, UH, WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING HERE IS TO HAVE A SEPARATE PAGE FOR YOU, WHICH ARE THE FOUR COMMITTEES OF THE COMMISSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK OUTREACH, OUTREACH, EDUCATION, ADVOCACY, ADVOCACY REFORM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO HAVE ADDED TO. 
          UM, IT'S NOT A HYBRID, IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT OF A PROCESS. 
          WELL, ONE WOULD SAY THAT, BUT IT'S, IT REQUIRES ADMINISTRATION AND IT REQUIRES, UM, THE UPKEEP BECAUSE IT'S CREATED TO MAINTAIN THE MAINTENANCE. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND IT SEEMS AS IF THAT THE REQUEST BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I WAS PRIVY TO WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS RE REGULARLY UPDATED, UH, CHANGED, MODIFIED CONTENT, ADDED, YOU KNOW, THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE, UM, SOMEWHAT INTENSIVE. 
          UH, THEY TALKED ABOUT, UM, UH, RESOURCE GUIDES, UH, DISTRIBUTION LISTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND ALL THOSE THINGS ARE CERTAINLY POSSIBLE AND CAPABLE. 
          UM, JUST BETWEEN, I THINK THE COMMISSION IS DOING GOOD WORK NOW. 
          THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE TO MEET. 
          AND AGAIN, AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S AN URGENT MATTER, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL COULD CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT AND DECIDE ONCE WE SEE WHAT THE, WHAT RESOURCES MIGHT NEED TO BE NEEDED. 
          UM, AND DOING THAT, YES, I, I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, ALLOW EXTERNAL INPUT TO THE PUBLIC COMMUNITY CALENDAR. 
          UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE AT TO BE ABLE TO DO TO GRANT ACCESS FOR THAT CHIRP ON THE NEW HE NEWSLETTER. 
          WE HAVE KIND OF UPCOMING EVENTS. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY INCLUDE ALL OF THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I WOULD PREFER THAT ALL THE ACTIVITIES OF ALL THE BOARDS COMMISSIONS OUTSIDE, IT COULD BE CONSOLIDATED INTO ONE AREA SO THAT PEOPLE CAN FIND IT A LOT EASIER YET IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT STAFF HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO EVEN EXTENDING WITH BOARDS AMBITIONS, BUT ALSO WE HAD SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE POLICE AND FIRE KIND OF HAD, UH, I WOULDN'T SAY SEPARATE WEBPAGES OR FACEBOOKS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF WAS, AND, UH, SARAH, UM, HAS REALLY DONE A GOOD JOB OF KEEPING THE MESSAGING CONSISTENT AND KIND OF IN ONE SOURCE. 
          AND, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, WITH ALL OF THEM TO TRY TO COMMUNICATE THAT MESSAGE SO THAT AS IT'S COMMUNICATED, IT'S ACTUALLY A COMMUNICATION OF, OF THE CITY THROUGH THE THROUGHPUT OF OUR, YOU KNOW, STANDARD THINGS, ONE COMMON WEBSITE AND, OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR, OR COMMENTS ON THE DISCUSSION FROM THE ISSUES, UH, ON THE WEBSITE? I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, I, I BELIEVE WAS THE, UH, THE UNBIASED REPORTING PROCESS. 
          AND I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE GOT THE APP, WE HAVE A RESOURCE THAT COULD BE DONE, BUT THEN I THINK IT'S ALSO ABOUT, UM, MAKING SURE 
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THAT IF THAT'S THE, IF THAT'S THE FORM WE'RE GOING TO USE OR IF THAT'S HOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          AND I KNOW PART OF THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, AT LEAST WHEN I TALKED TO THEM TO THE MEMBERS, I THINK PART OF THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT WOULD SHOW THAT THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS FOR THEM WAS DETERMINING A WAY TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF, UH, UH, OF AN UNBIASED REPORTING SYSTEM. 
          IF, IF THAT'S THE FORM WE USE AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY ARE WE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THAT IS THE FORM WE'RE USING, UM, AND, AND GET THE APP USED MORE WIDESPREAD. 
          UM, SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S THERE AND IT EXISTS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONALITY OF IT. 
          UH, BUT THIS COULD BE, THIS COULD BE ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO GET THAT WORD OUT ABOUT THE APP AND WHAT IT CAN DO. 
          SO, BUT I THINK IT, AGAIN, I GUESS KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR HERE TOO, IS DISCUSSION AROUND, IS THAT THE DIRECTION WE WANNA GO, DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE TYPE OF SYSTEM, DO WE THINK THE APP HAS THE CAPABILITIES OF, OF, OF HANDLING THAT AT THIS POINT? AND IF SO, THEN WE JUST NEED TO START FINDING WAYS TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT OUT THERE FOR, SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT EXISTS, UM, BAKER, AS I UNDERSTOOD, AND MAYBE, MAYBE I GOT IT. 
          MAYBE I DIDN'T, UM, THEY EXPRESS AN UNBIASED INVESTIGATION AREA THAT WOULDN'T BE HELD, HANDLED BY SOMEBODY INSIDE THE DEPARTMENT. 
          IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD? YEAH. 
          AND I CAN KIND OF PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT THAT THIS ACTUALLY CAME FROM A SUGGESTION FROM A MEETING THAT I ACTUALLY HAD WITH ONE OF THE COMMITTEES. 
          SO THEY WERE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY KIND OF BEHIND IN THE RECOMMENDATION, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON. 
          SO, UH, WE'VE ALREADY, UM, AND I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT HAVING, AND I WAS GONNA SEND IT AND SHARE IT, BUT WE'VE ALREADY HAD, WE'VE ALREADY HAD AN ELEMENT ON THE APP THAT'S USED, WE'VE ALSO, WE'VE ALREADY GOT POLICY, UM, DETAILED POLICY MULTI-PAGE POLICY REGARDING A, UH, OVERALL, UH, COMPLAINT PROCESS, UH, FOR ANY CITY EMPLOYEE. 
          AND WE'VE ALSO TARGETED AND IDENTIFIED METHODS THAT, WHICH THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WOULD HAVE ISSUE OR COMPLAINT WOULD HAVE, UM, AFFORDED TO THEM TO MAKE IT, UH, ONE OF WHICH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STANDARD ONES CALL STOP BY IN PERSON, UH, TALKED TO A SUPERVISOR AND ALL THOSE STANDARD ONES. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, DESIGNATED INDIVIDUALS OF THE, UM, CULTURAL DIVERSITY COMMISSION THAT THEY WOULD ALSO BE A RECEIVING POINT OF INFORMATION THAT THEY WOULD GATHER IF, UH, IF AN INDIVIDUAL WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE RELAYING THEIR INFORMATION TO THEM, THEY WOULD NOT BE THE INVESTIGATIVE BODY. 
          UH, THEY WOULD MERELY BE THE SOURCE OF REPORTING AND ADVOCATE AND WORK WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL. 
          AND THEN, BUT THE PROCESS ITSELF IS STILL ADMINISTRATIVE AND IT'S STILL CONDUCTED, YOU KNOW, BY, YOU KNOW, AUTHORITY AND DIRECTION WITHIN THE CITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO ALL OF THAT IS DONE. 
          WE, UM, UH, HAVE THE, THE POLICY DEVELOPED, IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE, UM, SOME TIME AGO, UH, AND, UH, WAITING ON ANY INFORMATION. 
          UM, HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK YET. 
          I'M SURE THEY'RE STILL LOOKING THROUGH IT. 
          AND, UM, AS SOON AS THAT'S DONE, WE'VE DISTRIBUTED INTERNALLY, WE'LL BE DISSEMINATING A COUPLE OF OTHER POLICIES THAT WERE ALREADY IN, UH, IN PLACE. 
          UM, ONE OF WHICH WE ASKED BACK IN, I WANT TO SAY OCTOBER FOR SOME INPUT, UH, WE RECEIVED NONE. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ONE. 
          UH, AND THAT'S A BIAS BASED SERVICE. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE COMPLAINT, PROCESS AND PROCEDURE, UH, WE'VE GOT A SEGMENT IN THE APP ALREADY SET UP, UH, IT'LL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE, UH, TO THE WEBSITE, UM, AND OTHER THINGS WITHIN THE APP AS WELL, NEWSLETTER AND ALL THAT STUFF WE'RE, WE'RE INCORPORATING. 
          SO THAT PIECE OF THE, UH, OF THE REQUEST WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY ADMINISTRATIVELY WERE WORKING ON AND THAT WE WILL, WE WILL ACCOMMODATE, WE THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 
          AND I HAD A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING WITH, UM, WITH THE REFORM COMMITTEE, UH, AND, AND THE MEMBERS THERE, AND, UH, TOOK ALL THOSE SUGGESTIONS AND INCORPORATED INTO, UH, INTO A PROCESS. 
          SO WE'VE GOT IT DONE. 
          I, I UNDERSTOOD THEM TO THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY. 
          THEY WANT IT TO OVERSEE THE COMPLAINTS THEMSELVES. 
          I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN. 
          THEY, THEY CERTAINLY WOULD BE A, UH, AN ADVOCATE. 
          UH, BUT IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, THERE'S ALL THOSE THINGS REGARDING ANY TYPE OF COMPLAINT OR INVESTIGATION. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T RE FOREGO THEM TO, UH, TO WORK WITH, UH, GATHER, YOU KNOW, SPEAK WITH PEOPLE, UM, TO, TO HELP GATHER INFORMATION AND HELP US RELAY, UNDERSTANDING, AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POTENTIAL RESOLUTIONS. 
          SHOULD THAT NEED BE. 
          BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO 
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INVESTIGATING FACTUAL CIRCUMSTANCES FOR ALLEGATIONS OF MISCONDUCT, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE, UM, REPERCUSSIONS AGAINST AN EMPLOYEE, UH, THERE'S ALREADY SET PRACTICES STANDING FOR THAT. 
          AND THOSE ARE STILL GOVERNED BY, UH, THE AUTHORITIES OF, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCES, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS, UH, HIGH EMPLOYMENT LAW, THINGS LIKE THAT, ALL THOSE THINGS, CORRECT? YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, UH, AND, AND WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE, THE COMMITTEE ITSELF, UM, THEY WERE REALLY INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, REACHING OUT AND MAKING THE COMPLAINTS, NOT NECESSARILY AN INVESTIGATIVE, UH, TYPE OF TYPE OF PORTION REALITY. 
          UH, AGAIN, AT LEAST THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE FORMED COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND I HAD THAT DISCUSSION. 
          SO, UM, WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE PLANE OF ACTION, I THINK IS VERY SUITABLE, INCLUDING THEM AS AN OPTION. 
          UH, AND THE MAIN KEY ELEMENT OF IT THAT WE DISCOVERED IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROCESS IS, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS ACCESSIBILITY FOR SOMEONE TO RAISE AN ISSUE OF CONCERN OR COMPLAINT. 
          UH, AND QUITE OFTEN IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS IN AN ORGANIZATION WHERE YOU SAY, SURE, WE'VE GOT A PROCESS HERE, COME TALK TO SOMEBODY OR REDUCE IT IN WRITING. 
          AND THAT CAN BE SOMEWHAT OBTRUSIVE AND CONFRONTATIONAL FOR SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT HAVE A DELICATE ISSUE. 
          SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE COMPLAINT, THE INVESTIGATION, THE OUTCOME, AND THE PROCESS ITSELF REALLY ISN'T THE ISSUE. 
          IT'S THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO BE WILLING AND COMFORTABLE COMING FORWARD WITH ANY ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN BREAK ANY OF THOSE BARRIERS DOWN THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          AND I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT ROB, BECAUSE I THINK YOU, IN MY MIND, THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE TOO, IS PEOPLE BEING COMFORTABLE, UH, FEELING THEY'VE GOT SOMEPLACE TO GO, TO BE ABLE TO LODGE A COMPLAINT IF THEY HAVE ONE, AND THEN AS LONG AS PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THAT, THAT'S GOING TO GO A LONG WAY IN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COVERING, COVERING THAT GAP AND RELIEVING SOME OF THE PAIN OF WHATEVER THE PEOPLE HAVE JUST BY NATURE OF FEELING THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE AT DOING IT. 
          AND AS YOU SAID AT THIS PROCESS ALLOWS THAT HEALING OR WHATEVER THAT CASE IS TO, UM, THAT BRIDGE THE GAP. 
          I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY IN HELPING THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO W UH, WHAT ARE THOUGHTS ABOUT A STATEMENT ON THE CITY OF RIGHTS WEBSITE, DENOUNCING RACISM? I THINK THAT'S, UM, COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE. 
          UH, HOWEVER, UH, I THINK PART OF THAT COULD BE, UM, A SECTION WEBSITE THAT LEADS TO THE, UH, THE SECTION OR WHAT THE PROCLAMATION, UH, WOULD BE ON RACISM AS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. 
          I THINK THAT COULD ALL BE TIED INTO ONE, ONE, ONE AREA ON THE WEBSITE OR ONE LINK THAT SHOWS THAT SHOWS ALL THAT. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, JUST ROB, REMIND ME, W WE'RE WE, I KNOW WE'VE PUT INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROCLAMATION. 
          THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION ON THE PROCLAMATION AND OTHER DIFFERENT CITIES. 
          ARE WE AWAY OR WAITING FOR THEM TO PHYSICALLY WRITE SOMETHING? ARE WE, ARE WE WRITING THAT, ARE WE HELPING THEM, OR ARE WE JUST KIND OF, ARE WE WAITING FOR THAT TO COME TO US? THEY WERE GIVEN THE RPC RESOLUTION, DENOUNCING RACISM DECLARING A PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY. 
          THEY WERE ALSO, THEY WERE ALSO GIVEN THE DRAFT THAT I WROTE AFTER OUR MEETINGS, UM, SOME TIME AGO, AND THAT STILL SITS OUT THERE. 
          SO I, I FORMATTED A RESOLUTION BASED ON, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU SAW EMAILS AND THIS, THERE WAS, UM, AN EXCHANGE THAT, THAT ISN'T WHAT WAS DESIRED. 
          AND SO FIND THEN INCLUDE WHAT WAS DESIRED. 
          AND THEN WE'RE ASKED TO PUT A RESOLUTION TOGETHER. 
          SO WE DO HAVE A DRAFT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL OR THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE BROUGHT, UH, AS AN AGENDA ITEM TO INTRODUCE AND DISCUSS, THEN THAT THAT'S READY TO GO. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IT, AGAIN, IT'S EASIER TO EDIT AND CREATE. 
          SO WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY CREATED SOMETHING. 
          SO IF COUNCIL WANTED TO EDIT IT AND ADD TO IT, TO SEE IF IT'S LANGUAGE THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE PASSING, UH, THAT IS ALREADY DONE IN, IN DRAFT FORM IN OUR FORMAT AS A RESOLUTION FOR COOPER HEIGHTS, NOT JUST A COPY OF SOMETHING ELSE THAT I DID THAT A WHILE AGO. 
          SO DO WE KNOW, SO HAVE THEY VIEWED OR NOT VIEWED THAT? ARE WE WAITING FOR FEEDBACK? I'VE GOT NO IDEA. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN A RESPONSE SINCE THE LAST EXCHANGE THAT, UH, THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, IN LIGHT OF THE CITY MANAGER'S STATEMENTS, THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A STALEMATE OF, UH, COMMUNICATION, UH, BREAKDOWN, I GUESS, ON THIS TOPIC, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, A DRAFT STATEMENT, DENOUNCING RACISM, AND, UM, AND THE DRAFT RESOLUTION. 
          SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CHECK THAT OFF THE LIST AND GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF WITH A WEBSITE UPDATES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND I BELIEVE, AND I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY, UH, MEMBERS OF THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION WATCHING THIS THIS EVENING. 
          SO IF THERE IS ANY OTHER INPUT, 
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YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE, IF WE'RE ANXIOUS IN GETTING THIS STUFF ON THE WEBSITE, THEN, UH, IF THERE'S A DRAFT RESOLUTION, THAT'S THERE, THAT'S BEEN PUT TOGETHER. 
          UH, I THINK THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IF THEY'VE GOT INPUT BEFORE, BEFORE WE JUST PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND DRAFTED. 
          SO I WOULD JUST OFFER THIS AS ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY, PLEASE, FOR THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THAT DRAFT AND LET US KNOW, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH? AND THEN WE CERTAINLY CAN HAVE STAFF PUT THAT TOGETHER AND HAVE IT PRESENTED AND READY TO GO, MR. ODDO. 
          YEAH, I WAS GOING TO PRETTY MUCH SAY THE SAME THING. 
          I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THEIR REVIEW AND EDITS OF WHATEVER THAT STATEMENT'S GOING TO BE BEFORE. 
          UH, I MEAN, MAYBE NOT BEFORE WE SEE IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE OF COURSE WE PASS IT AND, UH, BECAUSE IT'S THE LAST THING I WANT IS TO DO SOMETHING, JUST TO DO SOMETHING, BUT IT NOT BE WHAT THEY WANTED US TO DO, BECAUSE LIKE WE'VE CROSSED THAT BRIDGE BEFORE TOO. 
          AND THAT'S THE REASON WE KIND OF SAID, OH, AND WE'VE KIND OF COME BACK ON A LOT OF THIS STUFF. 
          SO, UM, SO YEAH, I THINK SO IF YOU'RE WATCHING, UH, YOU CAN LET ME KNOW, UM, MS. STEVENS, I HAD LET YOU KNOW THIS WAS GOING TO BE ON THE, UH, I GUESS I'M TALKING TO YOU THROUGH THE SCREEN HERE, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE WATCHING. 
          CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED AND DISCUSSED, THESE EYES ARE GONNA BE IN THE AGENDA. 
          SO, UH, IF YOU GUYS COULD JUST REPEAT THAT PLEASE FOR US. 
          SO WE HAVE, UH, SO WE'RE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION TO BRING THAT LEGISLATION FORWARD, UH, TO GET THAT DONE. 
          AND THEN WE CAN ADD THAT DRAFT, UH, THAT RESOLUTION TO THE WEBSITE AND ATTACH IT WITH THE, UH, WITH THE STATEMENT DENOUNCING, UH, RACISM AND DECLARING, UH, RACISM AS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. 
          SO, SO, OKAY. 
          SO IT IS A MR. LYONS QUESTION COMMENT. 
          UH, YES, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ONE OF, UH, MY, I GUESS, PERCEPTIONS IN THE LAST MEETING WHEN THIS WAS DISCUSSED, UM, I THOUGHT YOU HAD SAID YOU WOULD WORK WITH, UH, MRS. STEPHENS. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE'LL BRING SOMETHING BACK TO US. 
          WAS MY UNDERSTANDING IF, UH, THAT WAS INCORRECT, CERTAINLY, UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE ON ME BY, UH, HAS, HAS, UH, HAVE YOU, OR HAS STAFF WORKED WITH, UH, MRS. STEPHENS ON, UM, THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT'LL BE ON THE WEBSITE FOR RACISM, A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS OR NO, MY UNDERSTANDING, AT LEAST MY INTENTION WAS TO, UH, BRING US BACK MORE FOR FURTHER, FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION SO WE COULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BRING FORTH. 
          I THINK, DECIDING ON WHAT ISSUES WOULD EITHER NEED TO BE DONE THROUGH LEGISLATION THAT WOULD NEED TO MOVE TO AN ACTUAL COUNCIL MEETING OR, UH, JUST BY LACK OF OBJECTION OR AGREEMENT THROUGH MOTION, UH, AT THE WORK SESSION. 
          UH, BUT NO, I HAVE NOT HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MRS. STEVENS REGARDING THE SPECIFICS. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, THIS WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THIS EVENING'S WORK SESSION. 
          SO WE COULD DISCUSS IN MORE DETAIL, LIKE WE'RE DOING ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD SPECIFICALLY ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS. OKAY, UNDERSTOOD. 
          UM, SO AS THIS, AS A DISCUSSION TOPIC, UH, I'M FINE WITH EITHER WAY, UH, WE CAN BRING IT, UH, YOU KNOW, PIECEMEAL, UM, AND DISCUSS IT AMONGST COUNCIL. 
          I'M FINE WITH, UH, LETTING STAFF AND, UH, THE MRS. STEVENS, UH, TO WORK ON IT AND BRING IT BACK. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, UH, EITHER AT A MEETING OR THROUGH AN EMAIL, JUST TO UPDATE BEFORE, UM, IT COMES LIVE ON OUR CITY WEBSITE, UM, BY A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR, I THINK THE COMPLAINT PROCESS, IF IT IS ANONYMOUS, UH, WHICH I THINK WAS A MAJOR, UH, POINT FOR THE CULTURE DIVERSITY COMMISSION, UH, AS LONG AS IT'S ANONYMOUS COMPLAINT PROCESS OR AT LEAST A PART OF IT IS, AND THEY'RE FINE WITH THAT. 
          UM, THEN I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS, BUT I KNOW THAT WAS AN ISSUE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE WEBSITE ANTI-RACISM STATEMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT, I THINK CHANGING THE WEBSITE TO REFLECT THE, UM, THE DIVERSITY IN OUR ENRICHMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, UH, WOULD, IS CERTAINLY A GOOD IDEA, UH, THE MONEY THAT WE'RE USING FOR THE, UH, OUTREACH FOR THE ESSAY CONTEST. 
          UM, CERTAINLY I'M FINE. 
          IT'S SUCH A LOW AMOUNT. 
          I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'LL BE A PROBLEM TO PULL OUT OF THE, UH, COUNCIL BUDGET. 
          UH, BUT WE HAVEN'T STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE 
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AND WE NEED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT EVENTUALLY, UH, STAFF CAN RECOMMEND SOMETHING POSSIBLY. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, AND I THINK SO FAR WE'VE GOT, UH, SOME GOOD WORK TO GO AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO TALKING ABOUT THE REST OF THE ISSUES. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR IMAGE LINES. 
          JUST WONDER SHOW THE DOCUMENTATION TO SHOW WHAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          SO THERE'S THE DRAFT RESOLUTION THAT WAS CREATED AND THAT WAS SHARED. 
          SO TO ANSWER MR. LYONS QUESTION, IF YOU WERE STAFF HAS DONE ANY WORK OR COMMUNICATED. 
          YES. 
          AND, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THAT IS ALSO THE COMPLAINT PROCESS, JUST TO EXPLAIN SHOW SHOWED YOU, THIS WAS A, WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH, UH, WITH ICONS THAT WILL GO, UH, BOTH ON THE WEBSITE VISIBLY AND ON, ON THE APP, UM, HOW THOSE COMPLAINTS WERE MET AND THEN THE OUTLINE OF THE HANDLING PROCEDURES, UM, AGAIN, UH, RELATIVELY COMPREHENSIVE AND, UH, A LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT PUT INTO IT. 
          SO JUST, UH, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL BRING IT, YEAH. 
          BRING, YEAH. 
          W WE WANNA, WE WANT TO FINALIZE IT IN, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR DELIBERATION PURPOSES, WE WERE BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL. 
          UM, I CAN EASILY EMAIL IT OUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO DO, AND IT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. 
          SO, UM, WHATEVER COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO DO, WE CAN EMAIL IT AND INCLUDED AND ALL THAT. 
          SO IT'S EASILY DONE. 
          THANKS, ROBIN. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE MENTION TOO. 
          I MEAN, I, I REALIZE THE, UM, I MEAN WITH, AGAIN, WITH THE EMAILS, UM, FROM THE COMMISSION TO, UH, TO ROB AND, UH, IT'S A KATIE, WHO'S KIND OF BEEN THE LIAISON THERE. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE IS, UH, I WOULD JUST SAY THERE HAS BEEN MONUMENTAL AMOUNT OF WORK THAT HAS GONE ON ALREADY TO GET TO WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO WHERE WE ARE. 
          AND SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK WHERE WE ARE IS NOT FAR, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO WHERE WE ARE, HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS. 
          IT'S, IT'S TAKEN, UM, AN UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNT OF TIME AND, AND STAFF TIME TO GET US TO, UH, TO GET US TO WHERE WE ARE. 
          SO, UH, I AM, I AM APPRECIATIVE OF THAT AND AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, THAT RESOLUTION AND WHAT, YOU'VE, WHAT YOU SHOWED IN THE COMPLAINT PROCESS. 
          I KNOW THAT'S JUST A, A SMALL GLIMPSE OF THE KIND OF TIP OF THE ICEBERG OF THE UNDERLYING WORK THAT'S GONE ON, UH, FROM STAFF BACK AND FORTH WITH THE COMMISSION OVER THE COURSE OF THEIR MEETINGS AND, AND SUCH, UH, QUITE FRANKLY, IF I COULD, AND I'M GOING TO BE TO BE FRANK, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THIS GOING TO BE WORK THAT THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO DO? IF SO, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, RETURN OF INPUT AND, AND COMMUNICATION AND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD THE WORD, WHAT STAFF COMES UP WITH STAFF COMES UP WITH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT THE RECOMMENDING BOARD, RIGHT? THE COMMISSION IS NOT STATIC. 
          AND I THINK THAT IS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I WILL, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH, WITH MRS. STEVENS AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT MESSAGE IS DELIVERED. 
          IT IS THEY ARE THE RECOMMENDING BODY. 
          THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND THEN STAFF CAN HELP THAT COUNCIL BOARD WITH WHATEVER THE FINAL PRODUCT IS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          MR. BIRCH, I, YES. 
          UM, ARE WE, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SOME INPUT FROM THE, UH, COMMISSION PRIOR TO, UH, DISCUSSING IT AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION? YEAH, SO I'M, I'M, I WOULD SAY I'M 99% POSITIVE THAN, UH, MS. STEVENS. 
          AND, UH, AS SOMEONE YOU MEET ON THURSDAY, SO THEY'RE GOING TO MEET, BUT I'M AGAIN, 99% SURE. 
          THEY'RE W THEY'RE WATCHING THE BROADCAST, SO THERE WILL BE COMMUNICATION. 
          AND CERTAINLY THEIR INPUT WILL BE, WILL BE ASKED FOR. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT, UM, IF THEY HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES TO THE, TO THE RESOLUTION THAT, UM, ROB HAS SHOWED US THAT MAYBE THEY HAVE A PARTICIPANT AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION SO THAT WE CAN, UH, MAKE SOME EDITING REAL TIME AND BE ABLE TO MOVE IT ON FOR APPROVAL FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEETING. 
          I CERTAINLY HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK BOTH, UM, COUNCIL STAFF AND THE COMMISSION, I THINK THE, THE WORD WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR AND WANTING MORE OF IS COLLABORATION ON, ON, ON HOW WE PUT THIS TOGETHER. 
          IF WE WERE SPENDING THE TIME AND THE RESOURCES AND THE MONEY AND THE EFFORT TO DO THIS, UM, THEN I THINK IT 
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ALL NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WHAT EVERYBODY'S, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO HAVE INPUT, OH, I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT. 
          IT'S JUST THAT I THINK THAT WE'RE PROBABLY VERY CLOSE RIGHT HERE AND AFTER DISCUSSIONS THAT THEY'RE MEETING AND, AND THEN AT THE FOLLOW-UP, UM, COUNCIL WORK SESSION, THAT, THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE VERY, VERY CLOSE AS I THINK, I THINK SO, TOO. 
          SO TONIGHT, UM, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL ADDRESS THE, UM, WE'LL ADDRESS, THE WEBSITE ISSUE, WHICH I THINK WE'VE DONE, UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE. 
          UM, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF CHUNK THAT INFORMATION OFF, UM, AND, AND DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES. 
          AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION. 
          WE'LL HAVE THAT RESOLUTION WE'LL HAVE HAD SOME INPUT FROM, FROM THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION, AND THEN WE'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UM, THE OTHER ITEMS, WHICH WAS THE, BUT I THINK HERE, I THINK IT'S REAL SIMPLE HERE THAT, UM, JUST A REGISTRATION ABOUT MLK DAY 2022, THAT'LL BE VERY SIMPLE TO START ADVERTISING AS AN UPCOMING EVENT. 
          WE KNOW WHAT THAT DAY IS, AND WE'LL GET INTO MORE OF THE PROCLAMATION. 
          ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS. 
          AND THEN I KNOW THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION ABOUT DIVERSITY TRAINING AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM COUNCIL AND STAFF AND CITY LEADERSHIP. 
          SO WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE BACK AT THE NEXT, AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION. 
          SO TO WRAP THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE, THE BUDGET THEN. 
          SO THE CITY BUDGET OR CITY COUNCIL WOULD PROVIDE FUNDING TO SUPPORT EDUCATION, OUTREACH, ADVOCACY REFORM TO DATE. 
          OUR COMMISSION HAS BEEN ALLOTTED $1,000 FOR THE YEAR OF 2021 TO TAKE ON THE CULTURE, DIVERSITY INITIATIVES THOUSAND DOLLARS, NOT BEING ADEQUATE INVESTMENTS WITH DIVERSITY INITIATIVES AND DOES NOT CAPTURE THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          SO THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS, UH, EDUCATION FORMS TO HAVE AN INVESTMENT OF $5,000 FOR QUARTERLY FORUMS. THIS WOULD COVER EDUCATIONAL FORUMS DURING THE 2021 YEAR, THEY ANTICIPATE FOUR DIFFERENT QUARTERLY FORUMS. OUTREACH WOULD BE THE MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL FOR JUNE 12TH AND AN INVESTMENT OF $5,000 THERE, INCLUDING, UH, ENTERTAINMENT, SOUND, TENTS, AND SUPPLIES. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE THE OTHER OUTREACH, UH, EXPENDITURE WAS FOR THE ESSAY CONTEST OF THE $500. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE'VE ALREADY ALLOCATED AS THE THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          THEY'RE ASKING FOR $10,000 AS PART OF THE BUDGET FOR THE OUTREACH AND THEN $500 FOR THE ESSAY. 
          SO IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS TO, TO FINDING THAT MONEY, ALLOCATE THAT MONEY, HAVING STAFF, IF I WERE GOING TO SOURCE THAT MONEY AND THEN SAME THING, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY ISSUES OR OBJECTIONS TO THE $500 FOR THE ESSAY CONTEST. 
          SO THEY ASKED FOR 10,000, WE'VE ALREADY GAVE A MILLION. 
          SO IT'S, WELL, WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN A THOUSAND OUT OF THE 10, SO THAT'S 9,000. 
          WE'RE GOING TO COME TO THE $500 ESSAY. 
          SO THAT'S 8,500, I THINK THE WAY I'M READING THIS IS THEY'RE ASKING FOR $10,000, 10,500, $10,500 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS IT'S ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          YEAH, LET'S WRAP IT UP. 
          THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IN HERE IS THE OUTREACH SECTION PORTION OF IT. 
          UH, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          THERE'S GOING TO BE MONEY NEEDED FOR THAT. 
          UM, THE SCHOOL ESSAY CONTEST, OF COURSE, WITH THE PRIZES MONEY NEEDED FOR THAT, UH, THE, THE COMMUNITY EDUCATION FORUMS, WHAT WERE THE COST FACTOR BE THERE FOR THAT? WOULD THAT JUST BE, UH, WITHIN THE CITY? I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THAT DO WHERE WHERE'S THE COST TO COME IN ON, UH, ON THIS? YEAH, I WAS GONNA, I WAS GONNA SAY JUST, JUST, UH, PARTICIPATING HERE IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS, UH, THE IDEAS BEHIND IT WERE TO OFFER, UM, UH, CERTAIN DIVERSITY INCLUSIVITY TRAINING THAT WOULD BE OPEN UP FOR ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE CITY. 
          AND THEY WOULD BE BRINGING IN, UH, EXPERTS FOR SPEAKERS ON RESPECTIVE TOPICS. 
          UH, I KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IN SPEAKING WITH, WITH KATIE AND OUR ADMIN STAFF, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO JOIN IN, UH, IN ANY BROUGHT IN TRAINER OR SPEAKER REGARDING ANY OF THOSE TOPICS THAT, YOU KNOW, CITY EMPLOYEES WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AS WELL. 
          UH, BUT THEIR IDEAS WERE, UH, MAINLY THE COST WOULD BE BRINGING IN, UH, EXPERTS TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THOSE IDEAS AND THEN OPEN UP THROUGH THE COMMISSION TO SPONSOR, UH, THROUGH SOME OTHER BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS TO ATTEND AND, UH, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, UM, EXTERNALLY AS WELL. 
          I THINK SPEAKERS FEES ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS BECAUSE I JUST, I WAS TRYING TO THINK, WHERE WOULD THE COST BE ON HAVING A, A FORM WITHIN THE CITY TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON THINGS? CORRECT? YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE SHE THAT'S WHAT SHE HAD BEEN. 
          SHE HAD MENTIONED, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR RECOLLECTION OF THAT, BUT I, I KNOW I'VE HEARD THAT SOMEWHERE AND I'M THINKING THAT'S WHERE I HEARD IT, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN A DISCUSSION WITH YOU, RON, 
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MR. SHELTON, THANK YOU MAYOR, IN ORDER TO WANT TO PUT A BOW AROUND THIS BUDGET DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON MONDAY THAT WE ALLOCATE A, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $15,000 FROM THE COUNCIL BUDGET, UH, FOR ALLOCATION TO THE COMMUNITY AND CULTURAL DIVERSITY ACTION COMMITTEE, UH, FOR THE YEAR 22, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY ON THE COUCH TO DO WITHOUT SACRIFICING OTHER THINGS. 
          I MEAN, TYPICALLY THE BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS ARE FUNDED AS PART OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS OR IN THE YEAR NOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE, UH, THAT THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED. 
          BUT, UH, WE, WE, CAN'T JUST, I MEAN, WE'VE CARVED OUR BUDGETS TO THE BAIL BONDS WITH BUDGET CUTS AND STUFF THROUGH THAT. 
          SO, I MEAN, TO ME, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION, WHICH WOULD BE AN ADDITION TO THE BUDGET. 
          YEAH. 
          I CERTAINLY DO APOLOGIZE. 
          I WAS TAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCILMAN LION'S UNDERSTANDING THAT HE MAY HAVE ALREADY REVIEWED THAT. 
          SO MY APOLOGIES MIRROR, I WILL, UH, I WILL CHANGE THAT TO, UH, UM, UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GET A, UM, REVIEW FROM OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, UM, WHERE THE $15,000 COULD BE ALLOCATED FROM, UM, AND, UH, BRING THAT FORWARD, UH, TO US, UH, FOR RECOMMENDATION, UNLESS THE CITY MANAGER HAS ANY SENSE. 
          IT, IT, IT, IT JUST SIMPLY BE A SUPPLEMENTAL TO THE EXISTING BUDGET. 
          SO YEAH. 
          THEN I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          ADDING THAT AS AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO, UH, TO, TO MONDAY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE SPENT BEFORE WE GIVE IT TO, WELL, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE BUDGETED WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH STUDY STAFF AND OUR APPROVAL PROCESS FOR PURCHASE ORDERS AND STUFF BEFORE IT CAN BE SPENT. 
          IT CAN'T BE UNILATERALLY SPENT BY THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, SOME, THEY DON'T HAVE A PURCHASING POWER THAT'S HELD BY THE STAFF, SO THEY WOULDN'T BRING THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO STUDY STAFF. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD GET THE NECESSARY, UH, PURCHASE REQUISITIONS ON SIGNAGE. 
          THIS WOULD BE FOR THEM, THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE IN KNOWING THEY'VE GOT A BUDGET THAT THEY CAN, THAT THEY CAN SPEND FROM. 
          AND THEN ANY OF THOSE DETAILS WOULD COME BACK. 
          WE'D COME BACK AND AS A, AS A CAVEAT TO THAT, UH, MIRROR, UM, UH, MOVING THAT, UH, MOTION, UH, FOR THE AMENDMENT OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL, UM, I WOULD ALSO REQUEST A FORM OF COMMUNICATION, GO OUT TO THE, UH, CULTURE AND DIVERSITY ACTION COMMISSION, UH, THAT AS A, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          AND I THINK AS AN ENTIRE COUNCIL, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET, UM, UH, IF NOT, UH, MONTHLY UPDATES REGARDING THEIR MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL PLAN FOR JUNE 12TH, UM, AS IT IS A COMMUNITY MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL, I THINK, UH, THIS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO BE JUST, UH, BROUGHT TO SPEED IN THE LOOP ON THEIR PLANS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          OTHER CULTURALS, ANY MASTERED INCLUDE, YES, THE JEWISH, THE MUSLIM GAY PRIDE, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO DO FOR THAT? RIGHT. 
          IRISH IS ST. 
          PATRICK'S DAYS THIS MONTH, I THINK GERMAN FESTIVAL. 
          UM, I CAN GO ON, I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AND I DO AGREE. 
          I THINK THERE'S THERE, WE'VE ADDRESSED THIS. 
          I THINK THERE WERE SPECIFIC, THERE ARE SPECIFIC REASONS THAT THIS DIVERSITY COMMISSION WAS CREATED. 
          AND THEN I THINK IT, THERE CERTAINLY HAS TO BE THE BROADER SCOPE OF THE CITIZENS THAT WE'RE SERVING IN REGARD TO THE DIVERSITY AND, UH, AND, AND CULTURE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. 
          SO, SO I DO UNDERSTAND THE REASON AND THE PURPOSE BEHIND WHY THIS BOARD CAME TO BE, BUT I DO THINK WE WOULD BE NOT SERVING ALL THE RESIDENTS IN THE DIVERSE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE, IF WE DON'T FIND A WAY TO INCORPORATE ALL THOSE THINGS COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER. 
          UH, SO, SO YES, I, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AND I THINK THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS THE POSITION OF THE COUNCIL. 
          IT IS A COUNCIL APPOINTED BOARD. 
          THEY ARE A RECOMMENDING BOARD BACK TO COUNCIL, AND I THINK I'VE HEARD ENOUGH FROM THIS COUNCIL THAT THEY WANT ALL THOSE ETHNIC AND CULTURAL GROUPS INVOLVED. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT BOARD NEEDS TO SERVE MERIT TO THAT POINT. 
          UM, THIS COUNCIL APPROVED THE ORGANIZATION OF THE BOARD, I BELIEVE. 
          AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. 
          YOU SAID YOU, UM, YOU STARTED THAT BOARD WITH FOUR INDIVIDUALS THAT CAME TO YOU PERSONALLY, UH, FOR DISCUSSION, UM, I GUESS TWO POINTS. 
          WAS IT CLEAR TO THEM DURING THE FOUR, UH, FORMING OF THIS GROUP OR DURING THE OPERATION OF THIS COMMITTEE? WE HAVE NOW THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOW COME TO LIGHT THAT WE NEED TO FULLY, UM, ENCOMPASS THIS BOARD AND DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF, SO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE BY LEGISLATIVE ACTION THROUGH THIS COUNCIL THAT WE TELL THIS, THIS BOARD WHAT THEIR MISSION IS AND, AND HOW THEY'RE TO ENCOMPASS THAT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND I, SO I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, QUITE RICHARD, A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH, A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FOR ME 
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WHEN WE STARTED THE, UM, THOSE INITIAL MEETINGS, AGAIN, I THINK I'M FULLY AWARE OF THE REASON THAT I WAS APPROACHED WAS RIGHT AFTER THE GEORGE FLOYD INCIDENT. 
          SO WE KNOW KIND OF THE, THE INTENT AND THE REASON BEHIND ALL THIS. 
          AND THEN CERTAINLY WE, WE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, WE HAD VERY SPECIFIC DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT SILOS, DIFFERENT CULTURES PEOPLE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND, AND A LOT OF THE COMMUNICATION BARRIER IS YES, WE IT'S OKAY TO KNOW THAT WE'RE A DIVERSE COMMUNITY, BUT VERY SPECIFICALLY, WE DON'T HAVE COMMUNICATION AMONGST THE DIFFERENT CULTURES AND DIVERSITY. 
          SO COMMUNICATION WAS KIND OF THE KEY TO BREAK DOWN THOSE BARRIERS. 
          SO YES, THERE ABSOLUTELY WAS CONVERSATION REGARDING THAT. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT WE'VE, AND EVEN TO THE POINT OF THE APPOINTMENTS OF, OF THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE, ON THE BOARD, SO IT STARTED WITH THOSE FOUR INDIVIDUALS, BUT THEN WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, I THINK WE HAD 26, 27 APPLICATIONS FOR THAT PARTICULAR BOARD. 
          SO THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, MR. ROGERS WAS INVOLVED IN, IN, ON THE, ON THAT COMMITTEE TO APPOINT PEOPLE. 
          SO WE HAVE, UH, A DIVERSE MEMBERSHIP ON THAT BOARD. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION THAT WE ARE ASKING THE, THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF WHAT THEY WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH OR OUTSIDE OF, OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE THE OVERALL, UM, SERVICING TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS COUNCIL APPOINTED BOARD WOULD BE. 
          BUT, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, IT'S, IT'S THE CONVERSATIONS HAPPENED, AND I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY GROWN INTO SOMETHING BIGGER AS WELL. 
          AND, AND, AND JUST TO RECLARIFY, I THINK JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS BOARD AS DOES OUR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAS A VERY DIRECTIVE FROM THIS COUNCIL ON WHAT WE EXPECT THEM TO DO AND, AND TO REPORT BACK TO US. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ZERO MISCOMMUNICATION WITH THE CULTURAL AND ACTION, UH, DIVERSITY COMMISSION THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE RULE OF THIS COUNCIL BY WHAT THEY WERE ESTABLISHED TO DO. 
          UM, AND TO MAKING SURE THAT ALL AREAS ARE ENCOMPASSED AND ALL SILOS ARE ADHERED TO, UM, PROBABLY MYSELF, I BELIEVE, UH, COUNCILMAN BERGE AND BAKER, AND A LOT OF OTHERS HAVE, I'VE MADE SIMILAR COMMENTS TO THAT NATURE. 
          AND IF, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A REDIRECTION OR THROUGH THE DECLARATION OF, OF THE MOTION, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS A REITERATED POINT ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, I THINK SO, AND THAT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE AT ALL. 
          I THINK WHAT I, WHAT WE CAN DO IS, IS ACTUALLY WE CAN BRING THE LEGISLATION. 
          UM, SO AS WE'RE PUTTING A BOW ON THIS PIECE, UH, YOU YOU'VE MADE YOUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          YES, I WILL MOVE FORWARD THAT, AND I THINK, UH, IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO REVIEW THE LEGISLATION THAT CREATED THE BOARD. 
          AND WE CAN CERTAINLY AMEND THAT IN ANY WAY THAT WE WOULD NEED TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE COMMISSION IS, IS ACTUALLY DOING THE PURPOSE OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL INTENDS IT TO DO. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S YOUR JOB REGARDING A FOLLOW-UP ON THE RESOLUTION. 
          UM, MS. STEVENS JUST SENT AN EMAIL REGARDING THAT, AND, UM, I GUESS I'M GOING TO NEED SOME CLARIFICATION, OR AM I GOING TO BRING THIS TO, TO COUNCIL AS WAS, UM, OR IS THIS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THESE ARE DETAILS THAT THE COMMITTEE SHOULD LOOK AT. 
          UH, HER COMMENTS WERE THAT THE RESOLUTION DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ISSUES, WHICH IS TO DOWNSIZE RACISM ON A RESOLUTION TITLED DENOUNCING RACISM. 
          UM, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT MORE THAT WE AS STAFF CAN DO REGARDING THAT. 
          UM, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE AND REALLY ENCOURAGE THAT. 
          UH, AND I MISS THE STEVENS IS, IS LISTENING TO BRING HER CONCERNS DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL RATHER THAN PASSING THROUGH STAFF BECAUSE, UM, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THIS REALLY GETTING ANY PROGRESS. 
          I THINK CUTTING US OUT AS THE MIDDLE PERSON, HAS THE COMMISSION COME AND SPEAK THEIR CONCERNS WITH COUNCIL AND HAVE COUNSEL ACTUALLY EXPRESS AND SHOW WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE SEE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I'VE GOT CLEARLY LANGUAGE THAT STARTS OFF WITH DENOUNCING RACISM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME MISCOMMUNICATION THAT IT DOESN'T DENOUNCE RACISM. 
          SO I, I'M NOT SURE WHERE ELSE TO GO WITH THAT. 
          SO I'LL JUST ASK IT, IS IT THE, IS IT THE WISH OF THIS COUNCIL FOR, UM, THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION TO, UH, TO DEVELOP A, A RESOLUTION OR EDIT THAT RESOLUTION, THAT THE DRAFT THAT'S THERE, UM, AND THEN MAKE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO COUNCIL TO APPROVE MAY I MAY, UH, REFER TO OUR CLERK, UM, I BELIEVE IN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HANDBOOK, THIS COUNCIL CAN DIRECT ANY OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO TAKE UP AN ITEM UPON THEIR AGENDA AND REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL IMMEDIATELY. 
          THEREFORE, AM I 
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CORRECT ON THAT? YEAH, THERE'S A PROCESS FOR DOING THAT. 
          I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY HAVE THEIR MONTHLY MEETING ON THURSDAY OF THIS WEEK, UM, THAT THEY BE ASKED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND, AND OFFER THEIR INPUT AND THEN WAIT TO GET THAT BACK IN TIME FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL WORK SESSION. 
          THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING, THAT WE CAN BAKE AND BE PRESENT, UH, LIKE MR. SCHOMMER SUGGESTED, UH, TO ADVOCATE THEIR POSITION ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED OR, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ATTENTION TO WHAT THE RESOLUTION THAT MR. SHAW HAD DRAFTED AS WELL AS THE ARMY RPC RESOLUTION THAT WAS SENT TO THEM ONCE THE GAME THAT RAN AND FEEDBACK. 
          AND ANDREW BRING A WORK PRODUCT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          SO JUST SAY, SO I KNOW THERE'S MEMBERS LISTENING IN MS. STEVENS, PLEASE ADD THIS, ADD THIS DRAFT RESOLUTION TO YOUR AGENDA FOR THE, FOR THE THURSDAY MEETING AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THIS DRAFT AND THEN, UH, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, EDITS SPECIFIC BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THAT IN THIS COUNCIL CAN ACT ON WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE. 
          MAYOR, IF I COULD MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS FORMALLY DONE, IF WE CAN ASK THE CLERK TO REACH OUT TO THE CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS PROPER EMAIL COMMUNICATION AND TIMELINE, AND THAT WE ARE NOTIFYING THAT ON THEIR AGENDA FOR THURSDAY, AND THEN THEY ARE TO REPORT BACK TO THIS COUNCIL AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE THING, THAT'S CERTAINLY THE THING OFF CONTACT WITH HER TOMORROW. 
          THANK YOU, MRS. BURCH. 
          UH, YES. 
          UM, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UH, IF THEY'RE NOT SEEING WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN THERE, THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THE RAFT THAT ROBERTS PUT TOGETHER AND EDIT IT. 
          AND BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN THERE AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE IT GET LOST. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW EXTENSIVE THEIR EDIT WOULD BE. 
          THAT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT, OR THEY COULD JUST PROVIDE A DRAFTED RESOLUTION TO US. 
          UH, MY SECOND POINT IS THAT WHAT, WHAT, UH, WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER, I READ THE PURPOSE STATEMENT. 
          WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE ASSESSMENT AND IT IS VERY BROAD. 
          THERE'S NO NEED TO ALLEGE IT TO, UH, EDIT THE LEGISLATION. 
          IT IS TO COVER A BROAD GROUP OF PEOPLE. 
          AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A NEEDS ASSESSMENT OR A ROUGH DRAFT, A RESOLUTION, YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THE 30TH THAT AT THE COMMENT I HAD WAS THAT, UH, THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION HAS A WONDERFUL, UH, FACEBOOK PAGE WHERE THEY HIGHLIGHT THEIR EVENTS AND MAYBE THE, UH, CULTURAL DIVERSITY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMISSION MIGHT WANT TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR IF THEY HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY TO FURTHER GET THE WORD OUT, NOT AS A REPLACEMENT TO THE WEBSITE, BUT TAKE IT OUT TO A, ANOTHER SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND I THINK ON, ON THE EDITS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK CLEARLY AS OF TIMES MEETING THE WISHES OF COUNCIL IN REGARD TO THAT DRAFT RESOLUTION OF INMATE PRETTY CLEAR, UH, AND MR. ROGERS IS GOING TO REACH OUT, UM, MR. SHAW, YOU HAD MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR A, NOT TO EXCEED $15,000. 
          IS THAT STILL THE RECOMMENDATION, MR. MAYOR? THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION. 
          UH, THAT WAY THE COMMITTEE, IN MY OPINION, HAS THE, UM, UH, ADDITIONAL CUSHING, IF ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COSTS OR ITEMS COME UP THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS COVID HOPEFULLY CONTINUES TO UNWIND THROUGHOUT IT. 
          SO REBELS IN OUR REGION, UH, THERE MAY BE OTHER ITEMS THAT THEY CAN, UM, UH, PLAN AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          I THINK THAT IT IS AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT. 
          I'D LIKE TO START OUT FOR DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MR. ROGERS, THE SECOND ON THAT ARE JUST FOR BY OBJECTION. 
          COULD THAT BE, UH, I ASSUME ROBERT MENTIONED IT TO JAM AND I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH JIM AS WELL, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, UH, AMENDING THE SUPPLEMENTAL. 
          YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S YEAH. 
          THAT CAN EASILY BE DONE BY, UH, BY THE PACKET SUBMISSION FOR MONDAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO JUST GENERALLY COMMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE OTHER, I WANT TO SAY THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE QUESTION ASKED, UH, CONCERNING A MISSION STATEMENT FOR THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY COMMISSION. 
          AND THERE IS NOT ONE, IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD? ANY PARTICULAR? PARDON? I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE IN THE LEFT. 
          I THOUGHT WHEN WE STARTED THE COMMITTEE, IT SPELLED OUT A PURPOSE, IT HAD A PURPOSE AND IT TALKED ABOUT, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUSIVE OF CORRECT CULTURES AND SPECIAL NEEDS AND RELIGION. 
          CORRECT. 
          WELL, I DON'T THINK IT WENT THAT FAR IN THE LEGISLATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ON THE LEGISLATION I PUT DOWN TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION, HAVE THAT ORIGINAL GOAL OR LEGISLATION FOR DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE, UM, UH, QUOTE, MR. SHAW PUT A BOW ON SECTION FOR THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS, AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL COME 
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BACK AND ADD, UH, WE'LL HAVE AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UH, WE'LL WRAP UP THE OTHER, UH, THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION LISTS. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYTHING ELSE WAS PRESSING AT THE, AT THE MOMENT, ACTUALLY, THERE WAS ONE OTHER PERSON ITEM ON THAT LIST, WHICH WAS A GRANT REQUEST BY THE COMMITTEE. 
          UM, I BELIEVE IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT. 
          UM, THERE WAS A GRANT THAT WAS UPCOMING THAT THE COMMITTEE REQUESTED REVIEW A DEADLINE OF MARCH 10TH, UH, FOR THE UNITED WAY GRANT FOR RACIAL EQUITY FOR $2,500. 
          WELL, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I, I JUST SAW THE ONE ON THE FRONT PAGE OF, UH, IT WAS OVER FEBRUARY 10TH. 
          SO YES, THERE IS ONE FOR MARCH 10TH. 
          UM, SO YOU'RE NOT ONLY A GRANT FOR RACIAL EQUALITY FOR $2,500. 
          AND THE DEADLINE WAS MARCH 10TH AS MR. SCHULTZ SAID, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN, YEAH, WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED INTO THAT. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, AWAITING AN INTERPRETATION, UH, BASED ON THE THRESHOLD OR THE, UH, THE DESCRIPTION OF QUALIFYING ORGANIZATIONS WE DO NOT. 
          UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SEE AS IF THE CAUSE SINCE THE COMMISSION IS A COMMISSION OF THE CITY, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THE ORGANIZATION HAS A BUDGET LESS THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          UM, BEING THE CITY, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE DON'T, AND THAT, THAT IS GEARED TOWARDS LIKELY OTHER NONPROFITS, SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS. 
          HOWEVER, WE ARE ASKING FOR AN INTERPRETATION, IF THE COMMISSION ITSELF WOULD BE ABLE TO BE CONSIDERED IN THEIR EYES, A, THE, THE ENTITY THAT WOULD, UH, UM, THAT WOULD APPLY. 
          SO A BUDGET OF $15,000, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BASED UPON WHAT THEIR INTERPRETATION WE CAN APPLY. 
          UM, UH, BUT THAT STOOD OUT AND WE WOULD JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULDN'T BE, UM, OBVIOUSLY IGNORING ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WERE THE REQUISITES. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO AT THIS, IN YOUR UPDATE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, THEN THAT, BECAUSE THAT'D BE PRIOR TO THE 10, LET ME GO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE STAND WITH THAT PARTICULAR, IF WE, IF WE KNOW BETTER THAN THAT, YOU ABSOLUTELY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE WILL MOVE, UH, FORWARD NOW TO, UH, ITEM THREE D, WHICH IS THE CITY NEWSLETTER ASK TO HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA, BUT I THINK IT'S BEEN SOMEWHAT PREEMPTED BY THE SETTING MANAGERS. 
          YES. 
          WELL, THAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE WE WERE, YEAH. 
          CAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY, WHEN WE WERE GOING TO HAVE YOU GET BACK TO AN ACTUAL REGULAR QUARTERLY NEWSLETTER OR PAPER WATERVILLE, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO, UM, YEAH. 
          THANKS FOR JOGGING. 
          MY MEMORY. 
          DOES THAT MEAN, UM, SO I, I GUESS IF I MAY, SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. 
          ARE WE LOOKING AT DOING THAT? I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A STEP BACK, BUT FOR A LOT OF FOLKS THAT IT WAS ALWAYS VERY WELCOME TO GET THAT PIECE AND THEN WATER BILL. 
          YEAH. 
          THE PAPER VERSION THAT YOU COULD POP UP ON THE FRIDGE AND HAVE THOSE DATES HIGHLIGHTED THAT YOU WANTED TO GO TO THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          ARE WE LOOKING TO DO THAT AGAIN TOO? WE WEREN'T, WE WERE TO GO ALL ELECTRONIC BASED ON THE RESULTS OF, UH, THE LAST SURVEY THAT WE HAD OVER A WELCOMINGLY EVERYBODY SAID THAT EMAIL AND ELECTRONIC WAS THEIR PREFERRED METHOD AND BASED ON THE CIRCULATION AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE COST IT'S 10,000 BUCKS A HIT, UH, TO, UH, TO PRINT AND DISTRIBUTE, UM, THAT, AND THE RESULTS MAY OVERWHELMINGLY HAVE BEEN TOWARDS ELECTRONIC, BUT HOW DID WE DO THE SURVEY ELECTRONICALLY? SO OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE RESULTS. 
          I MEAN, IF WE DID A PHONE SURVEY ON THIS SUBJECT, YOU MIGHT FIND A LOT OF FOLKS SAYING I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT QUARTERLY PAPER. 
          WELL, MAYBE NOT, BUT I MEAN, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. 
          THE, THE FORMAT THAT WE HAVE HERE, WE WOULD BASICALLY HAVE TO CREATE TO THEN, BECAUSE THE FORMAT THAT WE HAVE HERE IS DONE IN A, THROUGH THE WEBSITE, IT'S NOT A PRINTABLE FORMAT, UM, PER SE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE RIGHT THING THAT THE PRINTERS WANT TO SEE, I HAVE. 
          SO WE WOULD LITERALLY HAVE TO CREATE TWO, UM, AND, OR PDF AND GET AN EMAIL LIST AND THEN MANAGE A DISTRIBUTION LIST AND EMAIL IT OUT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY A METHOD OF, UH, JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY HAS INTERNET ACCESS. 
          EVERYBODY CAN JUMP ON AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE WEBSITE. 
          UM, AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE PRINTED THING AND WE CAN DO THAT. 
          UH, WE'RE JUST GOING TO NEED TO ALLOCATE SOME, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS, UH, AND TIME AND BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          THAT WAS A BIG, UM, ONE COMMUNITY DOES A ONE-CALL FOR LIKE SNOW THEY'LL PARK YOUR CARS IN THE STREETS. 
          UM, THIS, THIS ROAD'S CLOSED BECAUSE OF FLOODING. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING WE'VE DONE OR COULD WE DRIVE OF THAT? SURE. 
          THAT WE'VE USED THE ONE CALL FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS, LIKE, LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE. 
          I THINK WE CAN USE IT FOR BAD ANYTHING. 
          UM, I'D HAVE TO CHECK TO SEE WHAT THE PACKAGE OF MINUTES THAT WE HAVE FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS AND THINGS. 
          I KNOW THAT THERE IS A FREE TEXT ALERT, I THINK, AS PART OF THAT, UM, THAT WE UTILIZE MAINLY INTERNALLY. 
          UM, BUT, UM, I'D HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT. 
          WELL, I THINK THE QUESTION WOULD BE LIKE, WELL AND ASK PEOPLE, WOULD YOU RECEIVE 
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A LITTLE NOTE ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR WATER BILL? WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET A PHONE, ONE CALL OR WOULD YOU LIKE SOMETHING PUSHED BUTTONS THROUGH YOUR MESSAGE THROUGH YOUR PHONE AND LIKE, AND THAT'S FAIR TO ASK PEOPLE TOO, BECAUSE I THINK ALL, ALL AGES OF PEOPLE USE DIFFERENT VENUES OF COMMUNICATION, LANGUAGE SORT OF UPSET, RIGHT. 
          AND AGAIN, WE JUST WEREN'T PLANNING TO, TO DO A PRINTED ONE. 
          WE WERE UTILIZING THE BUDGET AND RESOURCES THAT WE HAD KNOWING THAT, UH, SO MANY PEOPLE AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR MORE USE OF THE WEBSITE, THE APP AND, UH, THE ELECTRONIC STUFF. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCORPORATED, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. 
          IT'S, UH, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE. 
          WE WOULD EITHER BE DUPLICATING WHAT WE JUST DID, UM, TO CREATE A PRINTED VERSION BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT COMPATIBLE. 
          UM, YOU JUST CAN'T SEND THAT TO A PRINTER AND HAVE THEM PRINTED. 
          IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, JUST, I MEAN, YOU COULD, BUT IT'D BE CHINCY. 
          UM, AND WE WON'T WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY. 
          UM, AND, UM, WE WOULD JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATE THE, UH, THE EXPENSE, BE ABLE TO DO IT. 
          IT WAS ABOUT 10,000 A QUARTER. 
          SO IT WAS ABOUT $40,000 A YEAR TO PRESENT IT, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR PREVIOUS ONE, WHEN WE WERE PUBLISHING THEM AND SENDING THEM OUT, IT WAS ABOUT 10,000 A HIT. 
          WE HAD TO SEND ALL HOUSEHOLDS FOR THE COST OF PRINTING PRODUCTION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAILING AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT WOULD WE ONE CALL CLOSED? OH, THAT TYPE OF STUFF. 
          OH, WE'RE THE LAST MINUTE. 
          OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, THAT'S WHAT WE DO UTILIZE. 
          UH, WE WOULD UTILIZE IT FOR, FOR CERTAIN, I THOUGHT WE WERE RELATING IT TO, UM, TO NEWSLETTER ALL YEARLY CALENDAR STUFF. 
          OKAY. 
          I SAW SOME PANIC IN ROB'S EYES THERE FOREVER. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE CODE RED, UH, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE A ONE CALL. 
          UM, SOME PEOPLE CALL IT A REVERSE NINE 11. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A CON IT'S AN ANNUAL CONTRACT THAT WE DO. 
          AND I BELIEVE IT'S $25,000 A YEAR. 
          NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IT ALSO HAS WEATHER LEARNING, UH, EMERGENCY REGISTRATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IT ALSO ENABLES US TO, IF WE HAD, AND WE'VE DONE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF AN AUTOMATIC THING, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE USED IT FOR IS LIKE A MISSING, UM, A MISSING CHILD, MISSING A DAUGHTER, SOMETHING WE CAN DRAW A RADIUS ON A MAP AND IT WILL HIT THE REGISTERED PEOPLE WITHIN THE RADIUS OF THAT MAP AND MAKE THAT CALL. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE THAT. 
          AND IT'S CALLED, I WAS CONFUSING MYSELF AS TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. 
          I KNOW WHAT ONE CALL IS TO WE, THE SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING USED THAT, BUT WE USE CODE RED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE DO HAVE THAT SERVICE. 
          AND, UH, OUR CONTRACT IS, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S 25,000 A YEAR. 
          UM, THAT, THAT IS YES. 
          YES. 
          THAT IS, I BELIEVE THEY USED TO HAVE X AMOUNT OF USES, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, I BELIEVE THEY EITHER ROLL OVER. 
          WE'VE GOT, UM, EXTENDED USE OF NOW BECAUSE THEY'VE CHANGED TO THE TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED AND IT'S BECOME A LOT EASIER, ESPECIALLY SINCE PEOPLE HAVE GONE AWAY FROM LANDLINES ON TO MOBILE PHONES, MORE PEOPLE HAVE TO REGISTER FOR IT NOW BECAUSE IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY PICK UP EVERYBODY. 
          IT WILL IF THEY HAVE A LANDLINE. 
          SO I THINK WE CAN GET BACK TO, UM, WE'LL BRING THIS PARTICULAR ITEM BACK AROUND AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION. 
          I'LL GIVE SOME COUNSELORS JUST SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT, UH, A PUBLISHED NEWSLETTER AND COSTS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE JUST JUMP INTO DESIGN AND MOVE THIS TO THAT PILLAR ITEM TO, UH, TO A COUNCIL MEETING. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ON A NEWSLETTER. 
          ONCE COUNSELORS HAVE HAD SOME TIME TO WRAP THEIR BRAINS AROUND THAT BUDGET AND THAT PROCESS, UH, ADDING A PAPER NEWSLETTER ALONG TO THE, UM, TO THE ONE NOW AND, UH, TIME TO FIND OUT WHAT THE COST WOULD BE, ADD A ONE-CALL SERVICE WITH ANY OTHER EMERGENCY NOTIFICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN THE NEXT WORK SESSION. 
          MAYOR, MAY I ASK ONE OTHER TOPIC OF RESEARCH IF WE COULD, UH, UM, REACH OUT TO MAYBE THE MIAMI VALLEY CAREER TECHNOLOGY CENTER OR, UH, UM, EVEN, UH, BETHEL OR TO WAYNE TO SEE IF OTHER HIGH SCHOOL CLASSES HAVE ANY DESIGN CLASSES THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP FORMULATE A CITY NEWSLETTER PRINTED VERSION, UH, FOR US THAT WAY WE'RE INCORPORATING THE SCHOOLS AS WELL. 
          UM, AND I THINK IT COULD PROBABLY BE DONE AT A LOWER COST IN COLLABORATION WITH THEM AS WELL. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AND SEE IF IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          SURE. 
          NO, IN FACT, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE, WE'RE IN THE SCHEDULING PROCESS FOR ACTUALLY FOR NEXT YEAR RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I KNOW THERE ARE SOME ACTUAL DIGITAL MEDIA DESIGN CLASSES OFFERED AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND, UH, MS. TCU ACTUALLY TEACHES THAT CLASS IS NOT A WRITES THESE SCHOOLS EMPLOYEE, SHE'S A, UH, CTC EMPLOYEE WHO WORKS IN, UH, THE HIGH SCHOOL OFFERING THAT PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, THE TEACHERS THAT PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, DIGITAL MEDIA DESIGN CLASS. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S ROOM TO AT LEAST 
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HAVE A DISCUSSION AND FIND OUT, UM, COULD WE COLLABORATE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THAT USE THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT PROJECT FOR SOMETHING FOR HER. 
          AND I BRING THAT FORWARD AS MY SON DOES ACTUALLY. 
          AND WHY IS IMPORTANT? JUST WENT THROUGH HIS DESIGN COURSE IN THERE AND WAS ACTUALLY DOING ABOVE ITEMS AND THE CLASSROOM, JUST BECAUSE IT WAS SO ENTERTAINING TO SO MANY OF, SO MANY OF THE STUDENTS, THEY ENJOYED IT. 
          AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THE HIGH SCHOOL OFFERS. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY LOOK INTO THAT. 
          [  Board and Commission Appointments      *  Personnel Appeals Board - Reappointment]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE E THE BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, GOT QUITE A FEW OF THESE, THE SAVINGS. 
          SO I'M JUST GOING TO PREFACE ALL OF THEM FIRST BY SAYING THAT, UH, WERE APPROPRIATE, BUT NECESSARILY BACKGROUND CHECKS AND, UH, UNDERTAKEN. 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL REAPPOINTMENTS AND THEN SOME NEW APPOINTMENTS, UH, TO DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO, UH, THIS EVENING. 
          UM, ALL OF THESE REAL QUICK, MR. ROGERS, AND I WOULD JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANY, UH, FURTHERING OR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ABOUT ANY ONE OF THE PARTICULAR APPOINTMENTS, JUST DO THAT, THEN, THEN I'LL HAVE TO ASK HIM WE'RE DONE AND THEN WE'LL JUST MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW, JUST WITHOUT OBJECTION, MOVE ON TO THE MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, WITH THE, UH, REAPPOINTMENTS, THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF CITY STAFF ON THE NEW APPOINTMENTS, UH, THAT INDIVIDUALS APPLICANTS, UH, DID GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF INTERVIEW WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL AND, UM, CITY STAFF INTERVIEW PANEL, WHICH, UH, SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, UH, DID PARTICIPATE IN. 
          SO, UH, THE FIRST IS A REAPPOINTMENT TO THE PERSONNEL APPEALS BOARD. 
          WE RECOMMEND THE REAPPOINTMENT OF LARRY JOHNSON TO THE PERSONNEL APPEALS BOARD FOR A TERM ENDING MARCH 31ST, 2024. 
          UM, NEXT IS, UH, REAPPOINTMENTS TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD. 
          UH, THERE ARE TWO REAPPOINTMENTS BRIAN, DADDY AND BLAKE KIRSTEIN FOR A TERM ENDING MARCH 31ST, 2024. 
          UH, NEXT WE HAVE AN, UH, UH, TWO APPOINTMENTS TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. 
          UH, BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE NEW APPOINTMENTS. 
          UH, GREG MOCK TO THE BZA FOR A TERM ENDING JANUARY 31ST, UH, 2026. 
          AND THE APPOINTMENT OF SCOTT DAVIDSON TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR A TERM ENDING JANUARY 31ST, 2023. 
          NEXT, I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF DERRIUS SMITH TO THE CITIZENS, WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD FOR A TERM ENDING JANUARY 1ST, 2022. 
          AND LASTLY, I HAVE A NEW APPOINTMENT TO THE PERSONNEL APPEALS BOARD, UH, JEFF SCHWEINFURTH, UH, FOR A TERM ENDING MARCH 31ST, 2022. 
          SO, UH, IF COUNCIL HAS NO OBJECTIONS, I WOULD ASK THAT ALL OF THESE MOTIONS FOR REAPPOINTMENT AND APPOINTMENT BE ADDED TO MONDAY'S AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MS. ROGERS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS THAT MR. ROGERS, JUST AS CASEY, NO OBJECTIONS. 
          WE'LL MOVE ALL THOSE APPOINTMENTS ON FOR A VOTE. 
          YEAH. 
          ON MONDAY NEXT WOULD BE THE, UH, AMENDED ITEM THREE F FOR DISCUSSION ON THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER. 
          UH, MR. SHAWL, YOU'D ASKED TO ADD THIS ITEM TO BE AMENDED. 
          SO THANK YOU, MARION COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS DISCUSSION, AS I'M SURE MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE. 
          UM, THE GOVERNOR HAS FINALLY COME OUT AS OF THE 25TH OF FEBRUARY WITH HIS, UM, UPDATED RESTRICTIONS IN REVIEWING THOSE RESTRICTIONS AND THE CAPACITY ALLOWED BY THE MUSIC CENTER OF 30%, WHICH I BELIEVE IS COME TO AN AMOUNT OF A 1,260 SEATS PER SHOW. 
          UM, I WANTED TO OPEN THIS DISCUSSION UP TO COUNCIL AND STAFF AND FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR PLANS ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER THIS YEAR, AS WE CURRENTLY, I BELIEVE HAVE 12 SCHEDULED SHOWS ONE POSSIBLE WAITING FOR RESCHEDULE, UM, AS I GO THROUGH SOME OF THE PREVIOUS YEARS, UM, I GUESS THE $20 MILLION QUESTION IS AT 30% CAPACITY. 
          IF WE OPEN UP THIS MUSIC CENTER, ARE WE GOING TO BE PROFITABLE? ARE WE GOING TO BREAK EVEN WHERE WE AT? AND I JUST REALLY, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A TRANSPARENT CONVERSATION REGARDING THAT. 
          I KNOW THE SAME TYPE OF CONVERSATION IS GOING ON DOWN IN THE CITY OF KETTERING SPEAKING WITH A FEW OF THOSE DOWN THERE, SAME CONVERSATION AT 30%. 
          UM, AND EVEN IF WE'RE ABLE TO SELL OUT AT 30%, UM, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE TICKET PRICES TO MAKE, DO WITH THE OPERATING COSTS OF THE PREVIOUS 2019 YEAR, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE PROFITABLE? HOW DOES THAT LOOK? AND I, AND I DON'T, I, I'M NOT EXPECTING TO ANSWER HERE TONIGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO BRING THIS UP TO A DIFFERENT WORK SESSION. 
          UM, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT. 
          OKAY. 
          I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION. 
          SO I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL BRING US BACK TO A WORK SESSION DISCUSSION. 
          SO 
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MR. SCHOMER CAN BE, UH, AT LEAST BE PREPARED TO HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT OUR SCHEDULES WISE, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS TOO, THAT I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE CLEAR OF, AND I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          I KNOW THE DISCUSSION ALWAYS KIND OF KEEPS COMING UP. 
          SO I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE UNDER UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE FACILITY AND THE MORTGAGE AND, AND THE, THE ACTUAL PAYMENT THAT WE MAKE. 
          SO IT'S NUMBER ONE, THE BUSINESS MODEL FOR THE ROSE WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE THAT TICKET SALES ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THE BUILDING. 
          SO, SO THAT IS, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT PIECE OF THAT AS CLEAR TICKET SALES THAT WE SELL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW THE PAYMENTS ARE MADE ON THE PHYSICAL BUILDING ITSELF. 
          THE TIF REVENUE IS GENERATED IS GEARED TOWARD THOSE PAYMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, WITH MORE DISCUSSIONS THAN I CAN COUNT WITH, UH, MR. BELL AND, AND ROB ABOUT HOW THAT FINANCING WORKS, THAT WE, WE COULD PAY THE MORTGAGE ON THAT, ON THE ROWS THAT WE HAVE, IF WE NEVER SOLD ANOTHER TICKET AND ITS ENTIRE EXISTENCE, WE COULD PAY OFF THE MORTGAGE OF THE ROWS UNDER THE PAYMENT SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE TICKET SALES NEVER, EVER PAY. 
          AND WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS MODEL WAS NOT MEANT TO PAY FOR THE MORTGAGE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE PIECE OF IT. 
          SO THEN I THINK TO THE PROFITABILITY MEASURE, YES. 
          WHAT IS THE, EXCUSE ME, THERE ARE CERTAINLY COSTS TO RUN A SHOW, THE STAGE HANDS, ALL THE CONTRACTS THEY HAVE, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, UH, SHOW HOW THAT WORKS, THEY MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW, WE, THEY TELL US HOW MUCH THEY WANT TO WANT TO GET PAID. 
          WE MAKE AN OFFER. 
          MAMIE ENDS UP WORKING THAT PARTICULAR ITEM OUT ON WHAT WE GOT TO PAY THEM, LOOKING AT WHAT THE OVERALL COSTS ARE GOING TO BE THE BEST CONCERT. 
          I THINK THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT WHAT WOULD, UH, THE OFFER HAS TO BE BASED ON A 30% SELLOUT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT SPECIFIC CONCERT PROFITABLE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE AT THE END AND ALL THE REPORTS THAT MR SCHUMER HAS GIVEN US, YEAH, IT HAS BEEN VERY PROFITABLE, BUT THOSE, THOSE PROFITS FROM TICKET SALES PROFITS FROM, UH, OH, THEY BROUGHT ALL THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE SALES. 
          THOSE ITEMS ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE THAN THE ACTUAL FACILITY. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT EV, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT NOT COUNCIL, BUT ALSO THE QUESTIONS WE GET FROM THE PUBLIC, NOT DEPENDING OF TICKET SALES HAS EVER PAID THE MORTGAGE PAYMENT THAT, THAT REVENUE GENERATED THROUGH TIF. 
          THAT'S ALREADY ALLOCATED IN A BUCKET THAT PAYS ALL THOSE PAYMENTS. 
          AND IF, AND IF WE NEVER SOLD ANOTHER TICKET TO THE ROSE OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME, WE HAVE IT, WE COULD STILL PAY THAT. 
          SO JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE ARE TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE ITEMS. SO, SO ROB, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF INFORMATION YOU HAVE ON HOW WE WOULD ADJUST OR LOOK AT EACH SHOW TO THEN DETERMINE, CAN THE SHOW BE PROFITABLE, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY BEEN IN A SITUATION IN THE PAST WHERE WE'VE HAD TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE GOING TO OFFER TO BRING TALENT IN FOR A SPECIFIC SHOW AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT SHOWED ME PROFITABLE. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY GONE THROUGH THAT EXERCISE EVEN WHEN WE HAD, WHEN COVID DIDN'T EXIST. 
          WE PROBABLY WENT THROUGH THAT EXERCISE ABOUT, IS THE SHOW GONNA BE PROFITABLE? AND IS IT WORTH GOING THROUGH THAT EXERCISE TO, TO BRING IN A SPECIFIC TALENT AT THAT SHOW? SO, UM, I'M GOING TO GO TO ROBIN, YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION. 
          WE'LL LET HIM GO THROUGH IT AND THEN CERTAINLY ALLOW FOLLOW-UP. 
          SO ROB, PLEASE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL JUST ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS, BUT JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, BRIEFLY TO YOUR COMMENTS, EVERY SHOW ACTUALLY WE GO THROUGH AND ESTABLISH A BUDGET. 
          SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SEASON, EACH SHOW HAS A BUDGET AND IT'S TO THE, TO THE WIRE, RIGHT. 
          UM, 30% IT'S IT MEANS NOTHING. 
          UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN HOLD A SHOW. 
          CAUSE 30% MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE TICKET COST BY 70% OR ASK THE ARTIST TO REDUCE, UM, THEIR, THEIR CHARGE CHARGING PRODUCTION COSTS BY 70% TO MATCH THE 30% THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY GET. 
          SO CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ISSUE, NOT JUST FOR US OR KETTERING IT'S FOR EVERY VENUE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE STATE, THE INDUSTRY ITSELF IS WORKING ON SOME COLLABORATION. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT ACTUALLY WITH KETTERING. 
          UH, WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, KIND OF A JOINT, UM, SHALL WE SAY, UH, APPEAL, UH, TO THE, UH, THE BOARD OF HEALTH, UH, REGARDING THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AN ALLOWED OPERATING CAPACITY, DIFFERENT FROM LIKE A SPORTS STADIUM SPORTS STADIUM THAT CONTEST IS GOING TO GO ON. 
          UM, THE REASON OF THE SPECTATORS IS BECAUSE THE SPORTS CONTEST IS THERE. 
          UM, THE 
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SPORTS CONTEST DOESN'T EXIST JUST BECAUSE OF THE SPECTATORS, THE SPORTS CONTEST IS THERE DUE TO THE LEAGUE AND THE SPORTS CONTEST ITSELF, A PERFORMANCE VENUE. 
          THE REASON THERE IS A PERFORMANCE IS BECAUSE THERE WERE SPECTATORS. 
          SO IT'S, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL. 
          UM, SO, UH, WE HAVE BEEN FULLY AWARE MONITORING ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          UH, WE HAVE, UM, UH, WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH, UH, WITH OUR OPERATOR MIMI, UM, UH, HAVE ANOTHER ONE TOMORROW. 
          AND, UH, WE ALSO STAY IN CONTACT WITH OTHER, UM, UH, WITH OTHER AMENITIES. 
          THERE'S ALSO OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME FUNDING THAT HAS BEEN CIRCULATED AROUND, UH, WHICH WE WILL, UH, WHICH WE WILL TAP INTO. 
          BUT REGARDING THAT, I THINK THAT IT'S, I THINK THAT IT'S EARLY. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WE HAVE, UH, INDICATIONS LOOKING, UH, WE WERE PREPARED THAT IT'S LIKELY EARLY SUMMER WAS NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD MAINTAIN A SCHEDULE, BUT GOING INTO MID AND LATE SUMMER AND INTO EARLY FALL IS WHAT WE'VE KIND OF ALWAYS PLANNED ON KNOWING THAT EVEN AS WE GROW OUT OF THIS, UM, AND, UH, VACCINES AND ALL THE PROGRAMS AND THINGS THERE'S HAS TO BE SOME TIME. 
          SO THE 30% MOVE IS A GOOD MOVE TO SHOW THAT, HEY, OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO OPEN BACK UP, YOU KNOW, LARGE FACILITIES AND MASS GATHERING STUFF. 
          UM, DO WE THINK THAT THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER? NO, WE'RE HOPEFUL NOT. 
          AND THERE ARE CERTAINLY ACTIONS, UH, AND DESIRES NOT ONLY FROM US, BUT OTHER, UH, ENTITIES, OTHER FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, WORK TOGETHER. 
          UM, WE HAVE A VERY GOOD PARTNER IN MIMI IN THE SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SOME NATIONAL REACH. 
          UH, THEY, UH, OBVIOUSLY HAVE MULTIPLE FACILITIES, UH, AND HAVE, UH, HAVE ACCESS TO WHAT THE TRENDS WOULD BE AND TO BE ABLE TO RAISE, UM, YOU KNOW, GOOD JUSTIFIED REASONS, UM, LOOK AT INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES, BUT YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THAT IF IT REMAINS AT 30%, THE ANSWER IS, IS THAT THAT'S, THAT'S NO SEASON FOR US. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, UH, THE LEVEL OF SHOWS THAT WE'RE USED TO HAVING, UM, AS FAR AS PROFITS WOULD EVEN COME OUT FOR 30 FOR 30%, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT, I'M, I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO REALLY CHANGE THE WHOLE SHAPE OF NEGOTIATIONS. 
          SO, UH, AS WE SAY, SO WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE NORMALLY HAVE, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S JUST NO WAY, BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A 20,000 SEAT FACILITY, UH, AND WOULD BE ABLE TO SCALE IT DOWN TO 30%, YOU CAN STILL PRODUCE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE THE SCALE THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD HAVE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION. 
          THE, YOU KNOW, THE CROWD SIZE AND 30% HAVE WE HAD SOME SHOWS THAT HAVE 1200 PEOPLE, WE CERTAINLY HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S NO DOUBT, BUT THEN YOU GET ON TOP OF THAT OF JUST THE LOGISTICS OF SEATING MANIFESTS. 
          SO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE, UH, YOU WANT TO GO TO THE CONCERT? WELL, THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND YOU WANT FOUR TICKETS. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          BUT THEN YOU WANT TO GO TO THE CONCERT AND YOU JUST WANT TO, SO HOW DO YOU PLAN OUT WHAT THE NUMBER OF TICKETS EACH PERSON IS GOING TO PURCHASE AND WHERE YOU SPACE THEM OUT TO MAINTAIN THAT DISTANCE? UH, I KNOW THE SPORTS STADIUMS HAVE DEVELOPED SOME POD THINGS BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THAT EXPANSE OF SPACE, BUT THAT MODEL FOR THE SIZE OF FACILITY THAT WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE BRAINSTORMED. 
          UH, BUT IF THERE'S A WILL, THERE'S A WAY. 
          AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'VE, WE'VE GIVEN UP. 
          WE, WE ARE WORKING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, EVEN IF IT WOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE TO CHANGE THE MODEL, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS, UH, TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR ABSOLUTELY THE, THE MODEL OF THE FACILITY, THE PAYMENT FORD AND ALL THAT IS NOT DEPENDENT ON SHOWS, BUT USE OF THE BUILDING CERTAINLY IS DEPENDENT ON SHOWS. 
          AND ALTHOUGH WE'VE HAD A CERTAIN MODEL, IF WE HAVE TO MODIFY THAT, IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT TO WHERE IT'S NOT A NEGATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT, THEN YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT SOME VERY CREATIVE AND VERY EXPERIENCED MINDS TO HELP US DO THAT. 
          BUT WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, THE PHRASE IN, IN KETTERING, UH, SPOKE TO MR. SWEDERMAN A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS, UH, THEIR CITY MANAGER AND, UM, YOU KNOW, W WE ALL ARE HOPING TO APPEAL, UH, TO SOME, UH, INCREASED ALLOWANCES AND CHANGES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE 1ST OF MARCH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY AS THINGS PROGRESS, UH, WE'RE CERTAINLY HOPEFUL THAT WE CONTINUE TO GET THAT, UH, UH, OPENING APPROACH, UH, FROM THE STATE, BUT WE'LL BE RIGHT THERE MAKING SUGGESTIONS AND TRYING TO WORK WITH IT, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL ALONG. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE VERY AWARE OF IT ON, AND WE WORK DILIGENTLY BECAUSE OUR, WE WANT, UM, IT WAS TOUGH LAST YEAR TO NOT HAVE NOT HAVE THAT FACILITY OPEN. 
          AND, UH, NOT JUST, NOT JUST FOR THE ECONOMICS, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE MENTAL HEALTH THING. 
          SO MANY PEOPLE, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE BIGGEST, BEST THING JUST TO FEEL THE VIBE AND THE ENERGY, THE PEOPLE JUST STAY. 
          THEY COME IN WITH SMILES ON THEIR FACES AND THEY LEAVE WITH SMILES ON THEIR FACES. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THE MOST VALUED THING THAT YOU CAN GET OUT OF IT, YOU KNOW, REMOVING THE ECONOMICS 
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SIDE EFFECT IS, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC LEAST DONE GOOD. 
          SO I DID SEE TODAY IN A, IN AN UPDATE ARTICLE THAT THE U S IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE ENOUGH VACCINES BY THE END OF MAY TO HAVE EVERY, UH, EVERY ADULT VACCINATED, UM, BY THE END OF MAY, THAT CERTAINLY WOULD LOOK GOOD AND HEALTHY GOING INTO A CONCERT SEASON. 
          SO IF I COULD DO A QUICKLY RE UH, REDIRECT, UH, UM, WHAT WAS THAT LIKE? I'M GOING TO GO TO, UH, GLEN CAUSE HE HAD TALKED BEFORE AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO MARK AND WE'LL COME BACK FOR REDIRECT. 
          SO MR. RADO. 
          YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY WELL DRESSED AT THAT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE MORTGAGE, YOU KNOW, D P AND L ISN'T GOING TO TAKE 30% AND, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE THESE HARD COSTS AND THESE HARD COSTS THAT WE JUST CAN'T GET PAST THEM. 
          AND IF THOSE AREN'T ENOUGH TO JUST OPERATE IT OR NOT EVEN CLOSE TO OPERATING IT, I MEAN, THE, THE MONEY THAT GOES TO THE ARTIST, DOESN'T JUST PUT MONEY IN THE ARTIST, SPANK, IT PAYS HIS CREW, HIS ROADIES, HIS, ALL HIS PEOPLE THAT COME WITH HIM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE LESS, UM, SO SELL A HAMBURGER FOR THE COST THAT IT TAKES TO PRODUCE A HAMBURGER, THEN YOU JUST DON'T SELL HAMBURGERS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, BUT I THINK WE ARE INCIDENTALLY LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, UH, I'LL, I'LL COME BACK TO THAT. 
          I KNOW THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS THAT MR. CAMPBELL AND RICHARD WE'LL COME BACK TO, YOU KNOW, YES. 
          MAYOR, UH, AS YOU INDICATED, UH, PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN HAS ANNOUNCED TODAY AFTER HIS 3%, UH, POSITION ON OUTDOOR VENUES THAT, UH, HE'S TWO MONTHS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE ON EVERY ADULT IN THE U S HAVING A VACCINE BY, UH, WHEN THE MANAGEMENT ARM OF THE CINCINNATI SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA DECIDED TO PARTNER WITH US AND MANAGE OUR MUSIC VENUE. 
          UH, I WAS VERY HAPPY THAT DAY. 
          UH, I, I WASN'T SURE THAT I COULD BE MORE HAPPY, BUT I DEFINITELY WAS WHEN COVID STRUCK. 
          AND I KNEW THAT THEY WERE AT THE HELM AND THAT THEY WERE GUIDING AND DIRECTING US WITH OVER 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. 
          AND RICHARD, I WELCOME. 
          AND I APPRECIATE BRINGING THIS TOPIC UP AND ALLOWING US TO ADD IT TO THE AGENDA. 
          I THINK WE DO NEED TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT AND ANY WAY THAT WE CAN HELP KETTERING, WE SHOULD. 
          AND I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO BE FINE. 
          AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO HOLD ENTERTAINMENT AT ROSE MUSIC CENTER FOR 2021, I BELIEVE MAYBE WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. 
          AND THERE ARE HARD COSTS AND THEY'LL FACTOR ALL OF THAT IN, AND I, FOR ONE VERY CONFIDENT, NOT ONLY WITH OUR MANAGEMENT STAFF, BUT ALSO WITH MIMI, BUT THE NEWS THAT WE GOT WHILE WE'VE BEEN AT COUNCIL TONIGHT, THAT WE'RE TO HIT TWO MONTHS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE ON THE VACCINE. 
          THAT'S TREMENDOUS NEWS BASED ON THIS TOPIC THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. 
          THANKS JEFF FROM, YES. 
          UH, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL FOR THOSE COMMENTS, BECAUSE THAT LEADS DIRECTLY UP INTO MY NEXT COMMENT THAT I WANTED TO BRING PART TWO OF THIS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO THIS. 
          UM, AS I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE INTERACTION WITH THE CITY OF KETTERING AS THE CITY MANAGER HAD STATED, THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONVERSATION ON GOING. 
          UM, I WOULD ASK THAT THE CITY MANAGER, UM, UH, CONTACT THE KETTERING CITY MANAGER AND MIMI, UM, FOR A JOINT, UM, UH, APPEAL LETTER DIRECTLY TO GOVERNOR DEWINE, UM, ON BEHALF OF, UH, THIS COUNCIL, THE CITY OF KETTERING AND, UM, AND MIMI TO APPEAL THE, UM, UH, THE PERCENTAGES THAT ARE PROVIDED, UM, AND ASK FOR A QUICK AND EFFICIENT APPEAL PROCESS AND RESOLUTION TO THAT AS IT IS, IN MY OPINION, UM, A MATTER OF ECONOMIC, MENTAL HEALTH AS, AS YOU HAD STATED CITY MANAGER, UM, UH, TO NOT ONLY OUR COMMUNITY, BUT OUR REGION. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A BOLD AND EVASIVE ACTION QUICKLY, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS MUSIC CENTER HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS IN 2021 IS OPEN, IS PROFITABLE, NOT ONLY FOR OUR REGION, BUT OUR, FOR OUR COMMUNITY, UM, AND, AND OTHER VENUES. 
          AND IF WE HAVE TO SPEARHEAD THAT, BEING THE FIRST COMMUNITY TO SEND THAT OFFICIAL LETTER APPEAL PROCESS, I'M SURE JERRY MCDONALD, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER AND WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          I'D LOVE TO HAVE THE CITY OF KETTERING ON BOARD AND THEIR COUNSEL AND THEIR CITY MANAGER. 
          UM, AND, UH, AND EVEN IF THE, THE CITY OF DAYTON AND LEVITT PAVILION WANT TO JOIN IN ON THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, I THINK WE GOT TO TAKE A STAND AND IT'S TIME TO, YOU KNOW, GET OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR LIFE BACK. 
          AND, AND IF, UM, AND I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, ROB, IF YOU TALKED TO, UH, MR. SWEDERMAN AND, AND EVEN WITH THE, UH, MS. DICKSON AND DAYTON REGARDING THE PAVILION, IF THEY'RE NOT 
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INTERESTED, THEN I CERTAINLY THINK OF A DRAFT LETTER FROM THIS COUNCIL WITH OUR SIGNATURES TO THE GOVERNOR. 
          I WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO SIGN THAT LETTER WITH ALL OF YOU AS WELL. 
          YUP. 
          UM, GO AHEAD. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, TH TH THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD COMMENT BASED ON THAT SUBJECT, AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH, UH, RICHARD, UH, THAT THIS IS A NATIONAL ISSUE, NOT A LOCAL ISSUE, AND THAT, UH, I REALLY HOPE THAT THE VACCINE IN THE PLEAD THOSE OUT NATIONALLY, UH, THESE PERFORMERS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD TALKING TO ROB, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ROB TOLD US LAST YEAR, UH, WE COULD HAVE OUR VENUE OPEN, BUT IT'S NOT PROFITABLE FOR THE PROMOTER OR THE PERFORMER TO GO TO JUST ONE VENUE IN THE NATION. 
          SO I HOPE THAT IT'S SOMETHING RICHARD THAT, THAT WE COULD ESTABLISH AND START LOCALLY, BUT THAT COULD A SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THROUGHOUT THE NATION. 
          COULDN'T AGREE MORE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE THE ROWS OPEN, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CONTINUE TO SCHEDULE FOR THE KROGER POOL AND, UM, OUR PARADES AND OUR COMMUNITY THINGS TO GO FORWARD AS A PLAN. 
          AND WE CAN ALWAYS CANCEL IT, LIKE, LIKE MR. SCHIRMER SAID, LAST YEAR, WE KEEP PLANNING AND PLANNING AND PLANNING. 
          AND IF WE HAVE TO WE'LL MAKE OTHER ARRANGEMENTS LATER. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THE UPDATES ON THE VACCINE ARE, ARE FANTASTIC, BUT I WOULD THINK I WOULD I SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW, BEGINNING OF MARCH, I SEE NO REASON WHY WE WOULD EVEN CONSIDER LOOKING AT CANCELING THE PARADE, UM, THE AQUATIC CENTER, UH, ANY OF THE OTHER EVENTS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IN THE SUMMER AND THE FESTIVALS. 
          I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK WE'VE REACHED THAT POINT WHERE THINGS ARE JUST ALL ANTICIPATED TO GET BETTER. 
          AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY ASSUME WE JUST KEEP PLANNING. 
          LIKE WE ALWAYS PLAN W WE'RE ALREADY APPROVED OPEN YEAH. 
          THE AQUATIC CENTER, UH, UNDER THE SAME THINGS FOR THE, UH, BOARD OF HEALTH. 
          SO WE'RE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF PLANNING ALL THAT STUFF. 
          AND, UH, ALL THINGS THAT WE DID LAST YEAR, UH, THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ALLOWABLE THIS YEAR COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. 
          SO WE KIND OF PUSHED THROUGH AND CREATED SOME PRACTICES OURSELVES, UM, IN, IN DOING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID. 
          SO WE'LL SEE EVERYTHING THAT WE SAW LAST YEAR. 
          AND THEN SOME, UH, IN WHAT I WAS GOING TO START TO SAY IS, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY OUT OF ALL OF THIS HAS ALLOWED US SINCE WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SCHEDULE IN MAY AND JUNE IS TO, UH, UM, HAVE THIS FACILITY BE USED FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, USES, UH, FOR GRADUATIONS, UH, AND, UH, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, UM, WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO BECAUSE OF SCHEDULING IN TIMEFRAMES, BUT THIS YEAR THAT ALLOWS IT. 
          SO IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, HAVE SOME DIFFERENT USES AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY BY DOING THAT AND HAVING EVENTS IN, IN SHOWING SOME PRACTICES, UH, AND, AND USE THAT WILL HELP CONTRIBUTE TO THE, UM, UH, I GUESS THE BELIEF IN THE SECURITY OF, UM, AND THE SAFETY OF, OF OPERATING THE FACILITY AT, AT A HIGHER AND FULLER CAPACITY. 
          SO, MARY, I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT IF I MAY. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          I KNOW I'M JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER AND NOT ABLE TO DIRECT THE, UH, THE LAW DIRECTOR. 
          HOWEVER, UM, I THINK IT'D BE BENEFICIAL FOR THIS COUNCIL TO KNOW IT'S A LEGAL PARAMETERS, UM, TO, UM, TO OBJECT INTO A, UM, MOVE FORWARD, UH, AND AN OPENING THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO, UH, NOT ONLY, UH, POSSIBLY BRING SUIT AGAINST THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, UH, FOR THESE, UH, FOR THESE ISSUES, UH, EITHER IF IT'S IN JOINT WITH KETTERING, THE CITY OF DAYTON OR MIMI, UM, TO, UH, TO SAY THAT THIS DISORDER IS RIDICULOUS. 
          UM, I KNOW A LOT OF OTHER, UM, STATES AND COMMUNITIES HAS DONE THAT EXACT ITEM. 
          UM, AND IT HAS BEEN ABLE TO BE VERY FRUITFUL FOR A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH IN A NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES TO, UH, MOVE THEIR GOVERNOR AND THEIR, UM, HEALTH DIRECTOR INTO A POSITIVE WAY. 
          UH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE THE LAW DIRECTOR CAN DO SOME, A SMALL AMOUNT OF RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE, UH, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN ACT UPON. 
          UM, AND MAYBE ALSO REACH OUT TO A CITY OF KETTERING AND DAYTON AS WELL. 
          UM, AGAIN, IT'S MY OPINION. 
          IF WE, AS A COMMUNITY DON'T SET FORTH AND BRING THIS REGION TOGETHER AND OPEN IT BACK UP, UM, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE, UH, TO HAMSTRUNG. 
          AND I KNOW THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES ARE READY TO GET OPEN, UM, IN A SAFE MANNER. 
          UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE OBJECTIONS TO, UM, HAVING MR. MCDONALD, UH, DO SOME RESEARCH OR PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR US BY THE NEXT, UM, THE NEXT WORK SESSION, 
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KEN NOT SEEING ANY. 
          SO, UH, MR. MCDONALD, IF YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFICATION, UH, OF WHAT YOUR, I SAW YOU WRITE IN THERE. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED? DO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE A CLEAR DIRECTION OR, OR, UM, DO WE NEED TO RE CLARIFY OR HAVE MR. SHAWL EXPLAIN AGAIN? I'M CLEAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NO, UH, FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE ROWS. 
          UH, WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          I HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING. 
          SO WE, UH, I KNOW THERE ARE PROBABLY A FEW DIFFERENT REASONS. 
          SO MR. ROGERS HAS, UM, MOTIONS READY FOR COUNCIL TO ACT UPON. 
          DO WE NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE, UH, VOTES REGARDING EACH ONE, OR CAN THIS ALL BE DONE COLLECTIVELY? OKAY. 
          UH, UH, REASONS IN THE MOTION FOR THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSIDER THE SALE OR OTHER DISPOSITION OF UNNEEDED PROPERTY BY COMPETITIVE BID, AND TO CONSIDER CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION RELATED TO THE MARKETING PLANS, SPECIFIC BUSINESS STRATEGY, PRODUCTION TECHNIQUES, TRADE SECRETS ARE PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF AN APPLICANT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE, WHERE THE INFORMATION IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE REQUEST FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE UNDER ONE OF THE LISTED PROGRAMS AND A HIGHER REVISED CODE SECTION ONE 21.22 G EIGHT A AND I WILL NOTE THAT FOR THE SECONDARY REASON, UH, THAT DOES REQUIRE THE UNANIMOUS CONSENT OF ALL OF COUNCIL TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THAT PROGRESS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. ROGERS, MR. CAMPBELL. 
          SO MOVE MR. WEBB AND DISCUSSION MR. ROGERS, MR. CAMPBELL. 
          YES. 
          MRS. BERG. 
          YES. 
          MR. OTTO. 
          YES. 
          MR. LYONS. 
          YES. 
          MR. HILL. 
          YES. 
          MR. WEBB. 
          YES. 
          MR. SHAW. 
          YES. 
          MS. BAKER. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, HAS BEEN PASSING AMSA EIGHT ZERO IS REQUIRED. 
          SO WE WILL, UH, TAKE THAT OF PRECAUTIONS NOW FOR, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION THROUGH THIS REMOTE, UM, IN PERSON HYBRID MEETINGS. 
          LEMME KNOW WHEN YOU ROLL KAYLA, WE'RE ON, IT IS NINE 33, AND WE HAVE, UH, ADJOURN FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AND NO SPECIFIC ACTION ITEMS OR DECISIONS WERE MADE. 
          SO AT NINE 33, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
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