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[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]

[00:00:06]

OKAY, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

IT IS SIX OH THREE.

I APOLOGIZE FOR A FEW MINUTES.

WE'RE GETTING LATE HERE.

UH, GETTING OUR COMPUTERS.

I'LL START IT UP.

THIS IS THE CV RIGHTS WORK SESSION.

TODAY IS JANUARY 19TH, 2021.

AND THIS IS A HYBRID IN-PERSON AND REMOTE MEETING COMBINED.

THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.

AND MR. ROGERS, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

MR. SHAW.

DEAR MS. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL.

THIS IS MR OTTO.

DEAR MR. LYONS HERE, MR. HILL.

MR. REP, MR. ROBERT, ARE YOU ON THE CALL HERE? NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER TWO,

[2. Approval of Minutes]

WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

ITEM TWO EIGHT.

THERE'S A JANUARY 5TH, 2021 MINUTES.

THOSE HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.

IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS, OR CORRECTIONS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

NOW, IF NOT THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.

OKAY.

THOSE MINUTES WILL BE APPROVED.

NEXT UP NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.

AND ITEM

[ City Manager Report]

THREE A'S ARE ST.

MANAGER REPORT.

MR. SCHOMER, IF YOU WOULD GET US STARTED, PLEASE.

HEY, GOOD EVENING.

JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS TONIGHT.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE WANTED TO, UH, TO GIVE AN UPDATE, IF YOU RECALL, COUNCIL HAD APPROVED THE APPLICATION OF A COUPLE OF METHODS OF FUNDING, ONE THROUGH CDBG, THE OTHER THROUGH THE LAND BANK REGARDING SOME PROJECTS, UH, SOME REHAB, SOME PROPERTY ACQUISITION AND DEMO, AND THE MIAMI VILLA VILLA AREA.

UH, THE METHODS OF APP, UH, METHODS OF ADMINISTERING THAT GRANT HAS RECENTLY CHANGED.

UH, WHAT THEY WILL BE DOING IS THEY WILL ACTUALLY, AND IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS ACTUALLY.

UM, WHAT THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE DOING IS THEY WILL BE HANDLING, UM, DOING THE BIDDING FOR ANY DEMO OR ANY WORK DONE, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH THE LAND BANK OR THROUGH THE COUNTY.

AND THEN THEY WILL THEN PAY FOR THAT AND THEN GIVE US A BILL FOR WHAT OUR SHARE WOULD BE.

NORMALLY YOU WOULD GET THE AWARD OR YOU WOULD HANDLE IT YOURSELF AND THEN PUT IN FOR REIMBURSEMENT.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR THAT.

UH, IN ADDITION REGARDING THAT, UH, WE'RE STILL AWAITING TO GET ON THE DOCKET, UH, FOR THE ACQUISITION OF A FEW OF THE PARCELS DOWN THERE.

UH, WE HAVE SINCE LEARNED THAT ONE OF THE PARCELS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY ACQUIRING IN THAT PROJECT IS CURRENTLY UNDER, UM, INTEREST OF A THIRD PARTY.

SO, UM, EITHER WAY, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A WIN FOR THAT.

SO, UH, THE TIMING OF IT, WE THOUGHT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER, BUT IT'S JUST, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE IN THE PROCESS, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE STILL ON IT AND IS STILL A PROJECT THAT WE HOPE TO HAVE DONE.

UH, THEY'RE NOT SURE AS FAR AS THE LAND BAKE PORTION, UH, THEY CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACQUIRE AND RETAIN THE PARCELS FOR OWNERSHIP AND THEN POSSIBLE DEMO WITHIN THIS CALENDAR YEAR.

HOWEVER, WE WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO TAKE ANY MONIES AND DIVERT THEM TO OUR SECONDARY PROJECT, WHICH IS DEMO FOR, UH, FOR MARIAN CENTER.

SO, UH, NONETHELESS WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE USE OF THOSE FUNDS, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AND WE'LL KEEP YOU KEEP YOU UP TO DATE AND POSTED.

WE ALSO HAD A BID OPENING FOR THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PROJECT.

UH, LAST FRIDAY WE HAD THREE RESPONDENTS PROVIDE, UM, UH, BIDS AND QUOTES.

THERE WAS SOME, UM, SOME DIFFERENCE, UH, BETWEEN THE HIGH AND THE LOW.

SO, UH, LWCC IS INTERVIEWING THE TWO LOWEST RESPONSES TO VERIFY AND MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, THE BID ITSELF WAS COMPLETE.

UH, AND THEN THEY WILL REVIEW AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO US AS PART OF THE PROCESS, UH, VERIFYING THAT THE, UH, THE BID RESPONSES WERE, UM, UH, IN LINE WITH WHAT THEIR BID PACKET WAS SO ANXIOUS TO GET THAT BACK AS WELL.

AND WE'LL BRING THE RESULTS, UH, FOR, UM, FOR REVIEW BY COUNCIL.

UH, AND, UH, THE, THE FINAL THING IS, IS THEY MIGHT VALLEY MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION, UH, HAS CONTACTED US AND WANTS TO ADOPT OUR PARK, UH, THE PARK OFF OF A LONGFORD IN DIAL WHERE THE, UH, POTENTIAL TRAILS AND MOUNTAIN BIKE THAT WE APPLIED FOR THE GRANT FOR IT TO BE, UH, WE'VE CREATED AN AGREEMENT, LEGAL HAS REVIEWED IT AND LOOKED AT ANY LIABILITIES THEY WANT TO BASICALLY MAINTAIN, UH, AND UPKEEP THOSE TRAILS.

ONCE THEY'RE DONE AGAIN, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE, UH, THE AWARD THAT WAS DEFERRED FROM LAST FALL, UH, IN HOPES THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE THAT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.

AND IF SO, WE'VE GOT A GREAT ORGANIZATION THAT WANTS TO STEP UP AND BASICALLY ADOPT THAT AREA TO PROVIDE, UH, MAINTENANCE, UM, TRIMMING AND UPKEEP OF THE VEGETATION OVER THE TRAILS, ET CETERA, TO KEEP THEM USABLE AND VIABLE, NOT ONLY FOR THEIR ORGANIZATION, BUT ALSO FOR, UH, FOR ANY OTHER PARTIES INTERESTED.

SO, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT I HAD THIS EVENING.

UM, AND, UH, THE REST ARE WITHIN THE AGENDA ITEM.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. SCHOMER REGARDING ANYTHING THAT HE SPOKE OF IN HIS CITY MANAGER REPORT

[00:05:02]

HEARING? NONE WE'LL MOVE ON.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE

[ Disposal of Surplus Property - IT Department]

B THE DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS PROPERTY THROUGH THE IT DEPARTMENT.

HOW ARE YOU, SIR? I'M WELL, HOW ARE YOU, SIR? GOOD, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

UH, THIS RESOLUTION IS FOR THE DISPOSAL OF OUR OLD ASMR 400, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 15 YEARS OLD.

IBM WILL NO LONGER SUPPORT IT.

AND ALSO WAS OUR OLD CAT, UH, SERVER THAT WE USE FOR OUR CAT DISPATCHING SYSTEM.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE COUNCIL APPROVAL TO, UH, DISPOSE OF IT BECAUSE OF THE COST THAT WE PAID FOR IT ORIGINALLY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? THAT SOUNDS SIMPLE ENOUGH.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT ON TO ME? OKAY.

MOVE IT TO MONDAY.

NEXT UP IS

[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount – SHI International - IT Department]

ITEM THREE.

YOU SEE THE INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR SHI INTERNATIONAL.

YES.

UM, SSI IS OUR, UM, VENDOR THAT WE USE FOR OUR OFFICE THREE 65 LICENSES.

UM, THEIR COSTS WILL THE $25,000 FOR THE LICENSES.

SO WE NEED TO HAVE COUNCIL APPROVAL TO EXCEED THAT AMOUNT FOR ONE CALENDAR YEAR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MR. SHAW.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR BRIAN, A QUICK QUESTION.

UM, IN THE PAST YEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING THE PANDEMIC, I'M SURE WE HAD SOME STAFF, YOU KNOW, WORKING FROM HOME, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

HAS THAT PLAYED A ROLE INTO THIS INCREASE IN ADDITIONAL LICENSING OR IS IT JUST THE LICENSING THEMSELVES THAT'S INCREASED? UH, SOME OF THAT DID PAY IT, PAY AN INCREASE.

UM, WE HAD, UM, WE HAD TO MOVE FROM LICENSES, GAVE, UM, SOME OF THE USERS, THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE ONE 800 CALL FEATURE.

UM, SO WE HAD ADDITIONAL, UH, 20 ADDITIONAL LICENSES ADDED, BUT THE COST WAS GOING TO EXCEED 25,000 ROUGHLY AROUND ABOUT 29.

BUT WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL LICENSES, IT TOOK THE COSTS ABOUT 34,000.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.

YES.

GOOD THINKERS WHEN YOU'RE COMING OUT.

OKAY.

SO EVERYBODY JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE, UM, MIKES ARE MUTED.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

[ Request For Qualifications – Community Needs Assessment – Inclusivity, Diversity, and Equality]

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE D THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR INCLUSIVITY DIVERSITY AND THE QUALITY, THE SHUM.

YES.

THANK YOU.

AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE, UH, ACTUALLY AT THE UPDATE FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING, WE SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE BRINGING A, A RESOLUTION, UH, TO BEGIN THE PROCESS FOR THE REQUEST FOR STATEMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS.

THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES THAT, UH, THE, UM, UH, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS, UM, AS, UH, MET PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR TIMES AT LEAST TO DISCUSS THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AND UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF THE TASKS INVOLVED IN THIS AS BE ABLE TO HELP DEVELOP THE SCOPE AND TO BRING BACK A, WHAT WOULD BE A, A VERY GOOD IDENTIFIED, UM, EITHER REQUISITES FOR FIRMS AND SCOPES FOR IT.

SO WE WILL BE RELYING ON, ON THE WORK AND EXPERTISE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, TO HELP PUT THIS TOGETHER.

AND ONCE IT'S ASSEMBLED, THEN WE WILL GET IT OUT AND SEE WHAT THE RESPONSES ARE AND THEN TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, ROB, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WE'RE GOING TO, YEAH, YES.

I'M SURE I'LL GO.

YEAH.

I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT AFTER OBSERVING THE LAST MEETING, I JUST, I WANTED TO BE CERTAIN THAT IT SOUNDED TO ME, LIKE THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED WITH PLAYING A VERY ACTIVE ROLE IN THAT SELECTION.

AND THEN I ASSUME THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THAT.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE PART OF, AS YOU SAID, CREATING THAT SCOPE AND DECIDING WHAT INFORMATION THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IN THAT RFQ.

YEAH.

THAT'S UM, AND I, WHEN WE GAVE THE UPDATE LAST WEEK, I THINK HE EVEN INDICATED THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, W WE'LL RESPECT THEIR REQUEST TO BE INDEPENDENT FOR MANY OF THE EFFORTS AND RESOURCES OF THE CITY AND, UM, INTAKE PRETTY MUCH A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND ALLOW THEM TO, UH, TO TAKE THIS TASK ON THEMSELVES.

THANK YOU FOR GOTCHA.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT ON TO OUR MEETING TODAY? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL SEE THAT AS MONDAY NEXT UP.

[ Huber Heights Community Center]

WAS I IN THREE E THE HEAT BRIDES COMMUNITY CENTER, ROB, HAVING THAT BIG? SURE.

I'LL JUST OPEN IT UP AND THEN PASS IT OFF TO A MR. KING.

WHO'S ONLINE HERE.

UM, THE POWELL ROAD BUILDING THE BLUE BUILDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IN EMPOWERMENT PROGRAM BUILDING, UM, THAT WAS, UH, BUILT UNDER A CDBG GRANT, UH, HAS GONE THROUGH A, UM, A SERIES OF USES.

UH, AND THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN DEFINED AROUND A, UH, LEAST CONTRACTOR CHARTER USE FOR THE BUILDING.

UH, HOWEVER, SINCE THERE IS NOT ONE, WE WERE AT A DECISION POINT TO SAY, WELL, ARE WE GOING TO, UM, PUT A LITTLE MONEY INTO IT TO GET THE BUILDING UP AND STANDING, OR, UH, RETURNING TO THE EARTH FOR WHERE IT CAME IN, IN, IN TEAR IT DOWN BECAUSE IT HAD SAT, UH, NOT BEING USED.

[00:10:01]

UH, SO, UH, HAVING THE STAFF, UH, JOSH AND SOME OTHER, UM, OPPORTUNITIES, WE, UM, UH, WE BASICALLY PUT A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, UH, ELBOW GREASE INTO IT AND SOME, UH, UH, SOME REPAIRS, UH, WE'VE SINCE HAD A COUPLE OF GROUPS BEGIN TO USE IT, CAUSE THEY WERE IN NEED OF A SPACE AND WE'D COME TO FIND OUT THAT IT WOULD BE A GREAT COMMUNITY CENTER.

PEOPLE WANTED A BIRTHDAY, PEOPLE HAVE SMALL GROUPS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HAVE A NEED.

IT'S A, IT'S REALLY A WELL LAID OUT WELL-DESIGNED SPACE, A LOT OF ACREAGE FOR SOME OUTDOOR USE.

UH, AND, UH, WE REALLY WANT TO TURN IT INTO THE FACILITY THAT, UM, UH, THAT, THAT IT, IT ALWAYS COULD BE, UH, SINCE THERE ISN'T A, UH, AN ORGANIZATION, UH, THAT'S ABLE TO REALLY ACTIVATE IT TO THE EXTENT THAT IT SHOULD BE ACTIVATED, UM, AND REALLY HAVE BENEFIT FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

SO TURN OVER TO JOSH AND LET HIM TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE AND SOME OF THE, UH, IDEAS MOVING FORWARD.

HEY, COME ON, JOSH ROB SAID THE, UH, THE OLD NDP BUILDING OUT ON POWELL ROAD.

UM, NO, WE, UH, WERE LOOKING FOR A SPACE.

WE WERE APPROACHED BY GIRL SCOUTS.

THEY NEEDED SOMEWHERE IN THE COLD WEATHER MONTHS TO GO.

AND, UH, WE MADE SURE THE BUILDING WAS USABLE FOR THEM.

AND THEN WE PICKED UP A CUB SCOUT TROOP AS WELL.

THAT'S BEEN USING IT FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, JUST AS A PLACE TO MEET AT.

UM, BUT UPON THEM USING IT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SAW SOME OTHER NEEDS THAT WERE, THAT NEEDED DONE THERE.

SO WE HAD THE FLOORS, UH, REDUNDANT, A COUPLE OF AREAS, HAD ALL THE INTERIOR LIGHTS AND ONE AREA OF THE BUILDING UPDATED, UH, AND REDONE BECAUSE NONE OF THE BULBS WORK HAD EVERYTHING UPDATED, LED THEIR EXTERIOR LIGHTING, UM, YOU KNOW, REDONE AND UPDATED LED AS WELL.

UM, AND JUST KIND OF LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, LIKE ROB SAID, A RENTABLE SPACE FOR PEOPLE FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES, UH, THINGS OF THE SUCH THE SCOUT TROOPS ARE ALREADY EXCITED TO CONTINUE USING IT.

AND WITH THE ACREAGE, THAT'S THEIR WHOLE CAMP OUTS AND STUFF.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF ALLOWS IN THE SPRING, UH, PLENTY OF SERVICE HOURS AVAILABLE FOR SCOUTS AS WELL WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT GARDEN PLOTS THERE THAT NEEDED ATTENDED TO, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF SCOUT TROOPS, UH, EXPRESS INTEREST IN HELPING PAINT THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.

SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA KIND OF USE OUR ART SHOW THAT ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION IS DOING AT THE END OF FEBRUARY AS A KICKOFF TO ANNOUNCE THAT THAT PROPERTY IS AVAILABLE FOR RENT, UH, BEEN WORKING WITH SARAH TO GET A FORM TOGETHER AND A CALENDAR ONLINE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND SEE, YOU KNOW, THE AVAILABILITY AND JUST KIND OF TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING ONLINE THERE.

HOPEFULLY THANK YOU, JOSH.

I THINK THAT'S, I MEAN, ALL, I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC USE OF THE SPACE.

WE HAVE IT.

UM, AND I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR WHAT COULD HAPPEN THERE, UH, WE COULD SUPPORT THE CITY.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT LOCATION.

IT'S A GREAT BUILDING.

AND I THINK IT WAS GREAT FOR CITING TO SIGN, TO PUT SOME MONEY, TO INVEST INTO THAT.

I MEAN, THAT'S FROM REAL, DEFINITELY THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK WE'LL SEE SOME, UH, I THINK WE'LL SEE SOME DIVIDENDS PAID JUST IN, IN THE YOUTH AND THE ENJOYMENT PEOPLE GET OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY.

SO I THINK THAT'S, UH, A GREAT THING ONLY AROUND, SO I APPRECIATE THAT UPDATE, JOSH.

THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

OKAY.

SO THIS WAS JUST UPDATE AND NOTHING NEEDED FROM COUNCIL, NO ASHES KIND OF EXACTLY.

IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A RECREATION AMENITY JUST LIKE THE REST ON THE ASSET LIST FOR THE CITY.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO ACTIVATE IT, UH, GET IT TO WHERE IT'S ABLE TO BE USED AND ENJOYED BY THE COMMUNITY.

UH, AS JOSH MENTIONED, THIS PARK SHELTER, THERE THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS AND, UM, IN THE UPCOMING SPRING TIME, WHEN PEOPLE ARE READY TO GET OUTSIDE AND DO SOME THINGS, AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER SPACE FOR, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ENJOY.

THANKS, ROB, APPRECIATE THAT.

[ ZC 20-31 - Major Change - Basic Development Plan - Koehler & Wang - The Oaks Subdivision]

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE F WHICH HAS A ZEC TWO ZERO DASH THREE ONE A MAJOR CHANGE TO BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR KILLER AND WANG AT THE OAKS SUBDIVISION.

MR. , HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

UM, AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE LEFT OUTSTANDING THAT, UM, W WE WERE REQUESTED TO INVESTIGATE A LITTLE BIT, UH, BEFORE THIS WENT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING IN YOUR PACKET IS A POTENTIAL PROPOSED AMENDED ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESSES A COUPLE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.

UH, THE FIRST ISSUE WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC STREETS, UM, IN LOOKING AT THAT AND DISCUSSING WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY ARE AGREEABLE TO MAKE THOSE PUBLIC STREETS WITH SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.

UM, SO THAT TAKES OUT ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, PRIVATE STREETS AND FUTURE MAINTENANCE, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME OF THOSE WITHIN THE CITY THAT HAVE TURNED INTO SOME ISSUES YEARS DOWN THE ROAD OF, UM, HOW THOSE GET MAINTAINED AND, UM, FUTURE REQUESTS FOR THE CITY TO TAKE THEM OVER IF THEY WEREN'T DESIGNED TO PROPER STANDARDS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

[00:15:01]

SO THAT TAKES THAT OFF THE TABLE AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THE PUBLIC STREETS ON THAT.

UM, THE NEXT ISSUE IS ABOUT THE, UH, MAINTENANCE OF, UH, THE, THE, THE LANDSCAPING MOUND THAT SURROUNDS THE PROPERTY.

AND, UH, IT'S TWOFOLD.

UM, ONE PROPOSED, UH, AMENDMENT TO ITEM NUMBER 10 IS TO ADD THAT, UM, AT THE POINT OF A SUBDIVISION PLATS, THAT THOSE EASEMENTS, UH, FOR THAT LANDSCAPING, UM, INCLUDE A CONSERVATION EASEMENT, UM, ON THOSE LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREAS WITH THE DEFINITIONS OF WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE TOUCHED WITH THAT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, DISEASED AND DEAD TREES CAN BE REMOVED, BUT WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED IN KINDS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

SO THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, A, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, HOW DO WE ENFORCE THIS DOWN THE ROAD? UM, SO THAT'S THAT NUMBER 11 IN THAT PROPOSAL, WHICH, UM, COMBINED SOME OF OUR EXISTING PUD AGREEMENT REQUIREMENTS AND ADDS A LITTLE EXTRA INTO IT ABOUT HOW THAT DOES GET RECORDED AND, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, UM, THAT IN THAT PHASE, THEY'LL INCLUDE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY REMEDIES FOR NON-COMPLIANCE.

SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT AGREEMENT IS WHAT THE CITY CAN DO, WHETHER IT'S THAT THE CITY WILL GO, AND IF THERE'S A TREE REMOVED AND THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO REPLACE IT, THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO GO REPLACE IT AND CHARGE BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.

UM, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WHOLE AGREEMENT WOULD BE, UH, PUT INTO PLACE PRIOR TO ANY ZONING PERMIT BEING ISSUED.

SO THOSE WERE THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.

AND THEN IF, UH, IT'S COUNCIL'S WISH THIS WOULD MOVE ON TO A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY AND SCHEDULED FOR TWO READINGS OF THE ORDINANCE.

UM, AFTER THAT, ALL RIGHT.

QUESTIONS TO COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MR. .

I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

HOWEVER, I'VE SPOKEN WITH RESIDENTS IN THE OAKS, AND ONE IN PARTICULAR HAD REQUESTED, UH, SHE COULDN'T COME OUT DUE TO COVID CONCERNS.

SHE WANTED TO SPEAK, BUT SHE HAD ASKED IF I COULD READ A LETTER FOR HER, AND I'D LIKE TO DO THAT.

UM, IT'S A BIT LENGTHY, BUT I THINK I CAN GET IT IN THE FIVE MINUTES.

YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO SPEAK A MAJORITY CONCERN WE HAVE WITH THE KOHLER OR KAYLOR K KAYLA WING PROJECT IS ITS DENSITY.

SINCE THE CONCEPTION OF OUR PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE HAS BEEN MUCH DISCUSSION REGARDING INTENSITY IS NOT JUST BEEN A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER, THE CITY, BUT ALSO INCLUDED OUR NEIGHBORS AND SHADY OAK FITCHBURG AND BELL FOUNTAIN.

WHEN THE CHURCH WAS ADDED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND ROADWAYS WERE REROUTED THE MINUTES OF THE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION REFLECT MANY LENGTHY DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THE RESISTANCE TO ANY INCREASED DENSITY.

WITH THAT IN MIND, WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THE FOLLOWING FOR CONSIDERATION TO THE COUNCIL OR PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS 116.9 ACRES.

THE PARCEL, UH, KAYLOR WANG OWNS IS 14.2 ACRES OBSTRUCT SUBTRACTING THE KAYLA WANG PARCEL FROM ITS 116.9 LITERS, 102.7 ON THE REMAINING ACREAGE, 202 PREMIUM LOTS HAVE EITHER BEEN BUILT OR CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.

AND THERE ARE 15 STATE LOTS MAKING A TOTAL OF 217 LOTS, 217 LOSS DIVIDED BY ACREAGE OF ONE OH 2.7 IS A DENSITY OF 2.11 ON THE KAYLOR WANG PORTION.

THEY'RE PROPOSING 46 LOTS ON 14.2 ACRES RESULTING IN A DENSITY OF 3.24.

THIS IS AN INCREASED DENSITY OF 54% IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE 2.1, ONE DENSITY OF THE REMAINDER OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO THE 14.2 ACRES, THIS RESULT AND AROUND THE 30 LOTS FOR THIS IS THE RESULT IN AROUND 30 LOTS FOR THIS PARCEL.

THIS IS SUPPORTED BY THE ORIGINAL BDP SHOWING 31 LOTS ON THAT PARCEL.

WE ASKED THE COUNCIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS INEQUITY AND FOR KALER WAYNE TO MATCH THE DENSITY OF THE REST OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PASS ATTEMPTS TO INCREASE DENSITY WITHIN THE PUD HAVE BEEN REFUSED.

THERE IS A PRECEDENT PRECEDENT FOR THIS REQUEST SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS NOT A SLIGHT INCREASE IN DENSITY.

IT IS BUILDING 46.

HOMES WERE ORIGINALLY 31 WERE PLANNED.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE PROJECT MATCH THE REST OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, NOT ONLY MATERIALS USED FOR CONSTRUCTION, BUT IMPORTANTLY, THE DENSITY TO SHOW A CONSISTENT LOOK INTO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

SINCE KAYLA WAYNE PROJECT FRONTS ON BOTH FITCHBURG AND BELL FOUNTAIN, IT IS STRIKING VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

WE IMPLORE THE COUNCIL TO MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT LOOK TO OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT, BOTH INSIDE SPACE AND CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS IN GENERAL, OVERALL APPEARANCE, ALL DEVELOPERS IN OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT HAVE HONORED THIS DENSITY.

AND WE ASKED THAT THIS PARCEL NOT BE ALLOWED TO DEVIATE FROM THIS.

UM, ON ANOTHER MATTER, MR. KAYLOR STATED DURING THE JANUARY 5TH, 2021 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, THAT THEY WERE MODELING THEIR PROJECT ON AN EPCON DEVELOPMENT IN KILOMETERS.

WE VERIFY WITH MR. , WHICH SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT MR. KAYLOR REFERENCED DOING BOTH ONSITE AND ONLINE

[00:20:01]

RESEARCH.

WE DETERMINED THE FOLLOWING ONE.

THEY ARE NOT RENTALS.

THESE ARE OWNER OCCUPIED.

UH, THAT'S PROVIDING PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP, INVOLVEMENT AND MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP TO THE DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT USE ALL OF THE AVAILABLE LAND FOR HOUSING.

THERE ARE AMENITIES INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE BENEFIT AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS AND CLEANING AND CLUBHOUSE POOL FITNESS CENTER PONDS, A LARGE GREEN SPACE WALKING PAST AN EXTRA PARKING AREAS THAT TAKE UP A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ACREAGE DOING ONLINE RESEARCH.

THE UPCOMING MODEL INCLUDES THESE AMENITIES ALSO INCLUDING MANY OTHER, EXCUSE ME, I'M SO SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.

IT'S LIKE YOU'RE READING AND IT'S LIKE, EVERY WORD IS GARBLED AND WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE MICROPHONE IS TOO FAR AWAY FROM YOU OR PEOPLE STILL WANT TO MUTE IT.

I'M SO SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU MR. OTTO, BUT WE JUST CAN'T HEAR.

OKAY.

I APOLOGIZE.

I DON'T WANT TO START.

OKAY.

DON'T WANT TO START THIS OVER.

IT'S IT'S A BIT LENGTHY AND THERE'S STILL A BIT LEFT.

UM, WHAT I WILL DO IS I'LL STOP THERE AND I'LL SUBMIT THIS TO TONY.

CAN I HAVE THE EMAILS? I'LL PUT IT UP IN AGENDA QUICK ON THE WEBSITES BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

THANK YOU.

UM, AND, UH, AND MY DISCUSSIONS WITH FOLKS, IT SEEMS THAT AMONGST THE THEY'RE SMALLER ITEMS OF CONCERN, BUT REALLY THOSE ARE WORKABLE AND, AND THEY, THEY CAN GET AROUND THEM IN DENSITY.

IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO COME UP AS THE PRIMARY ISSUE THAT I'M, THAT I'M HEARING FROM THEM.

SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN WORK TO REDUCE DENSITY IN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE IT GIVE IT THAT, THAT SPACING, THAT THAT FEELS LIKE IT'S, IT'S A PART OF THE OAKS.

I THINK THAT THAT WOULD GO VERY, VERY FAR WITH THE RESIDENTS AND BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, UM, FROM THOSE FOLKS.

SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT.

THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO BRING, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL INFORMATION, CAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS WAS COVERED, BUT THE, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE EXISTING, UM, PUD, UH, THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT IS FOR THAT.

AND, UH, JUST TO, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT REALLY MADE THE TRANSITION OR FILLED THE GAP AS TO HOW IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL.

NOW, AS YOU RECALL, THE LAND WAS ALL OWNED BY ONE PERSON THAT ONE PERSON CREATED THE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, HAD ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, THE PD AND THE ZONING AND ALL THAT STUFF, UH, CREATIVE WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE HOUSES OF THE LIKES WITHIN THE ENTIRETY OF THE, UH, OF THE LAND ASSEMBLY, THEY STOPPED BUILDING.

UM, THEN THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO SELL PART OF THE LOT OFF BECAUSE THEY WERE CHANGING THE DIRECTION OF THEIR PLANS.

SO THEY SOLD OFF A PART OF THE LAND AND CHANGED IT TO THE CHURCH, WHICH IS THERE NOW, UH, THE CHURCH NEVER BUILT, UH, THERE WAS NO MOVEMENT ON THAT.

SO NOW WE HAVE, UM, UM, THE, THE COUPLE THAT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY HERE, WHICH BRINGS THAT IN AS WELL.

SO EFFECTIVELY WHAT THE, UH, THE HISTORY OF IT IS, IS THAT ALL TRUE? UM, THE INTENTION ISN'T TRYING TO MATCH, UH, AND I THINK THAT IT'S MAKING THE APPEARANCE, THAT THIS WOULD STILL BE INCLUDED OF WHAT WAS INTENDED TO BE A KIND OF CONTINUATION, BUT THAT CONTINUATION STOPPED WHEN THE ORIGINAL OWNERS OF THE LAND CHOSE TO STOP WHERE THEY WERE AND THEN SO PARCEL PART OF IT OFF.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL STEP IN THERE THAT WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH STILL THE ORIGINAL ASSEMBLY OF LAND, THE, THE, UH, UH, THE, THE IDEA AND THE CONCEPT AND USE OF IT, UH, HAS BEEN CHANGED, WANTS TO, AND THEN, UH, AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING THE DENSITY AND ALL THAT.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOR, UM, UH, FILLING IN HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS THAT THAT OCCURRED, UM, AT A BREAKING POINT ONCE THE DIRECTION OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT HAD HAD CHANGED.

SO CURRENTLY IT'S OWN TO HAVE THE CHURCH IN IT.

UM, AND, UM, UH, THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST TO CHANGE WOULD BE.

I KNOW THAT'S REAL EVIDENT AND CLEAR, BUT TO PUT ALL THOSE STEPS TOGETHER AS HOW IT HAPPENED, I JUST TO CHRONOLOGICALLY LIST THAT OUT.

SO, YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.

CAUSE I DO THINK THERE IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING, BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, I KNOW THAT THAT SECTION, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT 14 ACRES IS LEGALLY, TECHNICALLY NOW A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PIECE OF PROPERTY ENTITY, LAND MASS, SEPARATE FROM THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY THAT WAS DEVELOPED AS THE OAKS.

BUT IN SAYING THAT, I MEAN, I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, UH, MY SHARE OF RESIDENTS HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME AND, UH, AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, UM, WITH RESIDENTS.

I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, WITH MRS. SMITH WHO SENT THAT EMAIL.

AND, UH, I THINK THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD AGREE THAT THE OVERALL SENSE OF THE PROJECT IS IT HOUSES LOOK GREAT.

I THINK THEY THEY'RE HIGH VALUE.

THEY, THEY RENT FOR A LOT THERE.

UM, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY OF THEM, IT'S IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO THAT DENSITY ISSUE ABOUT HOW THAT FITS IN WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY.

AND I THINK EVEN CONVERSATION WASN'T SO MUCH ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SHE HAD EVEN SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO LIVE THERE, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE OVERALL

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FEELING OF DENSITY AND WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE SEPARATE FROM, UH, THE WAY THAT WHOLE AREA, ONCE YOU START MOVING, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT EAST OF THE CITY ON THAT OR HOW THAT WAS ALL GONNA GO TOGETHER.

SO, UM, I THINK IF I TRY TO CON CONSIDER EVERYONE'S PERSONAL FEELINGS ASIDE, I THINK THAT EVERYTHING THAT I'VE GATHERED FROM EVERYONE I'VE TALKED TO, IT COMES DOWN TO THAT DENSITY NUMBER AS WELL.

SO, UH, I THINK THAT IS THE, FROM, FROM THE RESIDENT'S PERSPECTIVE WHO LIVE AROUND THERE, WHO BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMPACTED, THE MOST DENSITY DENSITY IS THE, IS THE CONCERN.

UM, YES, MRS. MERGER, THERE ARE FOUR OF US THAT ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THIS.

UM, A VERY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION.

UM, WE NEED TO FIX THE VIDEO OR THE AUDIO PROBLEM RIGHT NOW, SO WE CAN HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION, BUT WITHOUT HEARING WHAT'S BEING SAID AT THAT END, UH, IT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING IN THE SETUP.

IF ALL FOUR OF US NOT HEAR YOU AND WE NEED TO STOP THIS MEETING UNTIL WE GET IT FIXED.

SO WE, YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE.

KAY.

IS, DOES THAT ANY BETTER? THAT'S FINE.

I'M GLAD YOU CAN.

HOLD ON.

I'M JUST, I'M ASKING, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IF IT WAS A DIFFERENT SPEAKING THROUGH MY MASK OR NOT THE MASK, IS THAT GARBLING ANY OF, ANY OF MY VOICE, MR. WEB, I'VE BEEN TRYING DIFFERENT THINGS AND NONE OF THEM ARE WORKING.

SO IT NEEDS TO BE IT MOST LIKELY.

IS IT YOU'RE IN, UM, MIRROR? YES.

MR. WEBB.

YEAH.

IT'S EXTREMELY GARBLED.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MICROPHONE IS FOR YOU GUYS TONIGHT.

IT IS ONLY FROM YOUR END TO US, UM, PERSON TO PERSON ON THIS END.

WE SOUND GREAT.

LIKE WE ALWAYS DO IN THE, UM, UH, LIVE STREAM MEETINGS, BUT YOU GUYS ARE TOTALLY GARBLED, MR. AUTOS, UM, LETTER THAT HE READ WAS TOTALLY UNINTELLIGIBLE.

WE COULDN'T HEAR A WORD OF IT OR MAKE ANYTHING OUT OF IT.

AND, UH, IT'S JUST A DEEP RUMBLE ACCOMPANYING ALL OF YOUR VOICES.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR MICROPHONE IS LOCATED TONIGHT, BUT WHEREVER IT IS, IT IS NOT TRANSMITTING TO THE, UM, TEAMS UP VERY WELL THICK.

ARE YOU HEARING IT? YOU'RE ON MUTE, BABE.

SORRY.

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THEM OR HEAR HIM EITHER.

I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS MY SPEAKER ON MY TABLET, BUT I HEAR YOU TWO PERFECTLY, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND MAYBE ONE OUT OF EVERY 10 SENTENCES THAT COMES OUT OF THERE.

I'M JUST GETTING BITS AND PIECES.

I HEARD THE WORD DENSITY.

I HEARD THE WORD CONCERN, BUT THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT OUT OF IT.

ROB.

YOU'RE SOUNDING GOOD RIGHT THERE.

I THINK IT'S JUST BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU'RE COMING THROUGH THE SPEAKER UP TOP AND SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT QUIET.

DOES THE AUDIO COME THROUGH ANY BETTER WHEN I DON'T HAVE A MASK ON? I CAN HEAR YOU STILL GARBLED MIRROR.

OKAY.

ROB SOUNDS GOOD.

HOW ABOUT NOW? IS IT ANY BETTER? WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING THAT JEFF SAID.

WE DIDN'T KNOW.

I HEAR WHAT MR. SCHOMER SAID.

SO NOTHING IS BETTER NOW EITHER.

HEY, YOU'RE STILL FAR AWAY.

JEFF.

ELLIE IS, IS THERE NOT A WAY FOR US TO, AT ALL PATCH INTO THE SOUND SYSTEM THERE THROUGH AT, AT INTERFACE.

OKAY.

WHAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'D DONE IN THE PAST.

UM, MR. SCHUMER HAS DONE THE SET UP AND HE SAYS THERE'S NOTHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS SETUP THAN WHAT THERE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.

THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU MAYOR.

SORRY.

I REMEMBER US HAVING .

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HOW DOES THE SOUND COME ACROSS NOW? IS THAT ANY BETTER? IS THAT ANY BETTER? THAT'S BETTER THAN IT WAS MAYOR.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SO THE MICROPHONE THAT WAS AT THE PODIUM WAS PLUGGED IN.

SO NOW THAT THAT'S UNPLUGGED, MAYBE THAT MICROPHONE'S NOT PICKING UP, UH, UH, BACKGROUND OR REVERB OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS ANYBODY WHO DOES WISH TO SPEAK AT THE PODIUM.

UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY WILL, HOW THEY WILL COME THROUGH EITHER OR IF WE HAD, UH, A WIRELESS MIC.

SO, OKAY.

SO ARE WE GOOD TO CONTINUE AT THIS POINT? AUDIO? OKAY.

SO THE, THE, UH, THE EMAIL THAT, UH, MR. OTTO READ MR. ROGERS IS GOING TO DISTRIBUTE THAT EMAIL.

SO EVERYONE WILL HAVE THAT IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ALREADY, UM, I BELIEVE SHE SENT IT TO MANY OF US, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS DISTRIBUTED.

OKAY.

YES.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT ONLINE WHERE EVERYBODY CAN CAN SEE THAT.

UH, THE ONLY EXTRA COMMENTS THAT I ADDED WAS, YOU KNOW, I, I SPOKE TO HER AS WELL.

AND I THINK THAT THE OVERALL, UM, VARYING ISSUE ON THIS PROJECT SEEMS TO BE THE, THE DENSITY AND THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES ON THAT SPECIFIC ACREAGE.

I THINK THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPERS MAKING IS IN THE ZONING CHANGE.

IT'S NOT PART OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S A SEPARATE LANDMASS ALTOGETHER.

THAT 14 ACRES IS DIFFERENT.

COME IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

NICE CEILING TILES, ROB.

I THINK THE THIRD LIGHT BULB OVER NEEDS TO CHANGE IS THE AUDIO ANY BETTER? I CAN HEAR YOU, ROB.

WE HAVE A FULL VIEW OF THE CMR. I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

OKAY.

UH, JERRY, YOU, MR. MAGELLAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR, YOU KNOW, BUT I'D HAVE TO CONCUR WITH EVERYONE ELSE BEFORE LOOKING AT THE CEILING TILES, EVERYTHING WAS PRETTY GARBLED.

OKAY.

HOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU? CAUSE WHERE I'M AT NOW? UM, I'M ABOUT READY TO ASK THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE, THERE'S FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, PLUS ME, DO I COUNT AS A CORUM? BECAUSE IF, IF THE REST OF COUNCIL CAN'T HEAR THE WE'RE GONNA RESCHEDULE THIS MEETING UNTIL WE CAN, WE CAN FIX IT OR GET IT RIGHT.

SO AM I A NUMBER FIVE PART OF A QUORUM TO CONTINUE THIS MEETING? IF NO ONE ELSE CAN HEAR OR DOES IT REQUIRE FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS? WE CAN'T HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

OH, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO FIX THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, MR. MCDONALD'S BUY FIVE OR DOES IT REQUIRE A FIFTH COUNCIL MEMBER BE HERE? JERRY? HE IS ASKING IS, UM, DOES JEFF COUNT AS THE FIFTH COUNCIL MEMBER? CAUSE THERE'S FOUR THERE OR DOES IT REQUIRE FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS? BECAUSE HE'S WONDERING IF THEY HAVE A QUORUM WITHOUT US.

OH YEAH.

I'M LOOKING AT TONY.

THERE'S ONLY, THERE'S ONLY THREE HERE ALREADY, SO I'M NOT SURE.

SO NOBODY ELSE, UH, CAN, UH, HELLO, COUNCIL ROGERS.

HE CAN HEAR US.

SO THE ISSUE IS IF WE, IF WE DON'T HAVE A CORUM, IF THERE'S NO AUDIO ON THE OTHER END, THEN WE'RE GOING TO RESCHEDULE THE MEETING.

JEFF, IF YOU CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN, QUORUM

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IS FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS OTHER THAN THE MAYOR.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT.

THERE ARE OTHERS VIA REMOTE, AND IF THEIR AUDIO IS NOT WORKING TOWARD, THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING.

THEN I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND WE ADJOURN THIS EVENING AND RESCHEDULE FOR ANOTHER NIGHT WHERE WE HAVE, WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT TO CONTINUE THIS.

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION LOOKING AT, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

COULD WE RECONNECT AS A TEAMS MEETING? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER OPTION.

OKAY.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO RECESS.

DO I NEED A MOTION TO RECESS? YEAH.

WE'RE GOING TO RECESS FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES.

WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

WE'LL ALL GET YOU THERE BACK ON THE TEAMS MEETING.

AND IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN AND WE'LL PICK THIS MEETING BACK UP ONCE WE'VE GOT A QUORUM.

OKAY.

SO WELCOME EVERYBODY BACK.

IT IS NOW SIX 48.

WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP A CONTINUE.

SO I, I DO THINK THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION ITEM ON THE, UH, ON THE MAJOR CHANGE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

WELL, WE'LL CONTINUE HERE.

SO WE HAD A RESIDENT, UH, SEND A LETTER AND THAT LETTER, UM, MR. AUTO READ, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME, UH, ISSUES IN THE AUDIO, BUT THAT A LETTER HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND IT'S NOW BEEN PUT UP ON THE, ON THE WEB, ON FOR THE AGENDA.

YEP.

SO IT WILL BE THIS EVENING.

SO EVERYONE CAN READ THAT IN THE CONCERNS.

UM, THE BIG CONCERN THAT WAS EXPRESSED IN THAT LETTER THAT MR. OTTER READ WAS THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT.

THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MAIN CONCERN THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE.

UH, I'VE SPOKEN TO RESIDENTS THERE AS WELL.

AND THAT WAS THE MAIN THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO ME, NOT THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSES, NOT THE, UM, NOT THE SIZE, NOT THE, NOT THE COST.

YOU KNOW, NONE OF THOSE THINGS WERE BROUGHT UP.

THEY'VE BEEN SATISFIED WITH SOME OF THE CONCESSIONS THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAS, HAS, HAS CHOSE TO MAKE, UM, TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF A COMPROMISE.

I THINK I EVEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, WHEN I SPOKE TO ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, I EVEN SAID, LOOK, A COMP, THE BEST COMPROMISE IS WHEN NOBODY GETS EVERYTHING THEY WANT.

RIGHT? SOME, EACH, EACH PARTY HAS TO GIVE SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY.

THAT IS, THAT IS THE BEST FORM OF COMPROMISE.

SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING TOWARD THAT END.

BUT THE BIGGEST QUESTION SEEMS TO REMAIN THE BIGGEST PROBLEM SEEMS TO REMAIN A QUESTION OF DENSITY, EVEN THOUGH THAT PARTICULAR LAND MASS, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF THE YOLKS.

IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AS A CHURCH THAT STILL DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, TAKE AWAY THE FACT THAT IT'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT SITS RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR PROPERTY.

SO, SO THOSE CONCERNS FOR THE CONTINUITY OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW IT ALL LOOKS, THE DENSITY IS, HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN THE MAIN ISSUE.

UM, SO MR. OTTO HAD ASKED THE QUESTION IS, IS DENSITY OR LOWER DENSITY SOMETHING TO DEVELOP OR CONSIDER? UH, WE HAVEN'T ASKED THAT QUESTION DIRECTLY, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE MINDS OF THE, OF THE RESIDENTS WHO, WHO CURRENTLY LIVE THERE, WHO ARE CURRENT OCCUPANT, TAX-PAYING CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE HAD, UH, SOME YOU BASICALLY, BECAUSE OF THESE REMOTE MEETINGS AT THE, UH, AT THE WORK SESSION, LAST TIME WE DID GIVE, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM KEVIN WANG, AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOG IN AND BE PART OF THAT WORK SESSION.

AND I KNOW WE'D HAD SOME REQUESTS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO COME, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, UH, AS WELL.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE DECISION TO GO TO A REMOTE HYBRID MEETING WAS, WAS MADE RECENTLY.

SO, UM, WE HAVE ALLOWED AND I MADE THE DECISION TO, UH, ALLOW DEBRA TO BE ON THE MEETING AS WELL AS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE HOA.

SO RATHER THAN HAVING 50, 60 HOMEOWNERS OR HOW MANY EVER LOG INTO ONE MEETING, UM, WE'VE ALLOWED, UH, DEBRA TIP TO BE PART OF THE MEETING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS, CONCERNS IDEAS WERE AS ONLY TO BE FAIR FROM A WORK SESSION PERSPECTIVE, NOT JUST AT A COUNCIL MEETING OR A PUBLIC HEARING, WE ALLOWED THE DEVELOPER TO WORK SESSIONS, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE HOA TO SPEAK.

SO, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS MS. MCNEELY, IS THAT CORRECT? I HATE TO CALL YOU BY YOUR FIRST NAME, BUT, UM, NO, THAT'S FINE.

YOU CAN CALL ME.

OKAY.

SO WE DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.

UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE WANT YOU TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE HOA, BUT IF YOU WOULD, UH, JUST FOCUS ON SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH AND CLEAR ENOUGH THAT ALL OF US IN THE ROOM CAN PICK YOU UP THROUGH THE MICROPHONE TOO, SO WE CAN HAVE GOOD DISCUSSION AND ANY TYPE OF QUESTION, ANSWER

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BACK AND FORTH.

CERTAINLY IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE THAT YOU'D WANT TO ADDRESS TO THE DEVELOPER SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU'RE OPEN TO ANSWERING SOME QUESTIONS, IF SHE HAS ANY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO HEAR YOU AS WELL.

SO THAT BEING SAID, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

AND, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAND THE MIC OFF TO YOU.

THANK YOU.

YES.

UM, THERE WERE SOME THINGS IN THE LAST MEETING THAT UNFORTUNATELY I WASN'T ABLE TO BE AT, AND I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TIME BY REITERATING.

WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT I HAVE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE ASKING ME THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER.

AND YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT THE DENSITY.

THAT'S BEING THE BIGGEST CONCERN FROM A SAFETY ISSUE, AS WELL AS FROM AN AESTHETICS ISSUE.

UH, WE FEEL THAT WITH ALL OF THE HOUSES, ARE YOU PICKING UP A LOT OF BACKLASH FROM MY STICKER? YEAH.

OKAY.

YEAH.

WE TRIED TO TURN THE VOLUME UP.

JUST MAKE SURE WE COULD HEAR YOU, BUT WE JUST NEED YOU TO SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT LOUDER BECAUSE WHEN WE TURN THE VOLUME UP HERE, THAT'S WHEN IT, THAT'S WHEN IT GIVES YOU YOUR FEEDBACK.

OKAY.

JUST LET ME KNOW IF I'M, IF YOU CAN'T HEAR ME AND I'LL GO LOUDER.

UH, ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE DENSITY, THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES THAT WERE BEING BUILT ON SUCH A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, FROM A, UH, AN AESTHETIC POINT OF VIEW AND FROM A DANGER POINT OF VIEW, WHEN YOU PUT THAT MANY HOUSES THAT CLOSE TOGETHER, SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ONE LIKE A FIRE.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT SPREAD RATHER QUICKLY.

WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO LOOK SINCE WE ARE A FAMILY COMMUNITY AND A RURAL FAMILY COMMUNITY.

I KEPT HEARING LAST TIME.

THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT IN COLUMBUS.

BUT YOU KNOW, CUBA IS A WONDERFULLY GROWING CITY, BUT IT IS VERY FAMILY ORIENTED.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT KIND OF LOOK AND APPEAL TO FAMILIES WHERE THEY HAVE SPACE, THE LIMIT GREENSPACE, WHOEVER'S LIVING IN THOSE HOMES.

THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS WHERE THEY CAN SPEND TIME OUTDOORS.

AND HUBER IS A VERY OUTDOOR ACTIVITY PLACE WHERE WE CAN WALK TO OUR FARMER'S MARKETS.

AND I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE FAMILIES ARE GOING TO DO THAT ARE LIVING THERE.

UM, WE HAD QUESTIONS AS TO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR TRASH CANS, CERTAIN PLACES, IF YOU HAVE NO CARBS, NO GREEN SPACE, WHERE ARE YOU KEEPING ALL OF THESE THINGS? AND IT JUST BECAME A BIG ISSUE.

AESTHETICS WISE, DANGER WISE.

WHY DOES THERE NEED TO BE SO MANY HOUSES CRAMPED UP IN SUCH A SMALL ACREAGE OF LAND? I DON'T THINK THAT THEY EVER REALLY ANSWERED WHY THEY WANTED TO KEEP INCREASING THE NUMBER OF HOUSES THEY WERE PUTTING IN.

OKAY.

SO I THINK WE CAN, I'M GOING TO GO TO MR. KOSKI BECAUSE HE HAS WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER AND I, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WE, SHE BROUGHT UP AN ISSUE OF SAFETY IN HOUSES BEING CLOSE TOGETHER ARE WHEN I THINK BACK ABOUT THE DISCUSSION BEFORE ONE OF THINGS WAS BROUGHT UP, I KNOW THESE HOUSES LOOK DIFFERENT AND THEY FIT DIFFERENTLY ON, ON THE ACTUAL LUCK.

CORRECT? SO THESE ARE MORE NARROW AND DEEP.

WHAT IS, IS THE, IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THESE HOUSES, ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE, THAN THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOUSES IN THE OAKS OR WHERE, WHERE IS THE DIFFERENCE? BECAUSE THE HOUSE SETS ON THE LOT DIFFERENTLY.

SO THESE HOUSES ARE LESS WIDE THAN THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES WITHIN THE OAKS.

OKAY.

DISTANCE IN BETWEEN THEM ARE THE SAME.

WHAT IS THE 10 FOOT WHEN EACH SIDE IS THE SAME, WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE NORTHERN, IN THE YOLK SUBDIVISION OR ON THIS IS THAT THIS FOOT FROM, SO HERE'S THE WALL OF THE HOUSE.

I GOT 10 FOOT THEN, IS THERE ANOTHER 10 FOOT BEFORE I GET TO THE OTHER HOUSE? SO THERE WAS A TOTAL OF 20.

THAT IS CORRECT.

SO EACH HOUSE HAS A 10 YARD SIDE YARD, 20 FEET BETWEEN HOUSEHOLD A HOUSE WALL.

YES.

AND THAT'S THE SAME AS IT IS IN THE UPS.

YES.

AND THEN THESE HOUSES THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY ARE DEEPER, THEY ARE LARGER THAN THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BUILT IN THE US.

THEY HAVE A BIGGER FOOTPRINT THAN THOSE.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS IT GOES DEEPER INTO THE BACKYARD.

SO THERE'S WHERE THESE LOTS ARE SMALLER BECAUSE THERE'S LESS OF A REAR YARD.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY DIFFERENCE.

THE, A PLACE FOR A TRASHCAN IS THE SAME REGULATION FOR, FOR THESE AS EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT TYPE THING OF WHERE THEY

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WILL PUT THEIR TRASHCAN.

IT'S THE EXACT SAME, NO MATTER WHICH RESIDENTIAL HOUSE YOU LIVE AT.

SO, SO THE DENSITY ISSUE.

SO WHAT HAPPENS THEN IF, UM, LET'S JUST SAY 30 HOUSES WENT IN THERE