* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call] [00:00:06] OKAY, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. IT IS SIX OH THREE. I APOLOGIZE FOR A FEW MINUTES. WE'RE GETTING LATE HERE. UH, GETTING OUR COMPUTERS. I'LL START IT UP. THIS IS THE CV RIGHTS WORK SESSION. TODAY IS JANUARY 19TH, 2021. AND THIS IS A HYBRID IN-PERSON AND REMOTE MEETING COMBINED. THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER. AND MR. ROGERS, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. MR. SHAW. DEAR MS. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL. THIS IS MR OTTO. DEAR MR. LYONS HERE, MR. HILL. MR. REP, MR. ROBERT, ARE YOU ON THE CALL HERE? NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER TWO, [2. Approval of Minutes] WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. ITEM TWO EIGHT. THERE'S A JANUARY 5TH, 2021 MINUTES. THOSE HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS, OR CORRECTIONS, PLEASE LET US KNOW. NOW, IF NOT THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED. OKAY. THOSE MINUTES WILL BE APPROVED. NEXT UP NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING. AND ITEM [ City Manager Report] THREE A'S ARE ST. MANAGER REPORT. MR. SCHOMER, IF YOU WOULD GET US STARTED, PLEASE. HEY, GOOD EVENING. JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS TONIGHT. UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE WANTED TO, UH, TO GIVE AN UPDATE, IF YOU RECALL, COUNCIL HAD APPROVED THE APPLICATION OF A COUPLE OF METHODS OF FUNDING, ONE THROUGH CDBG, THE OTHER THROUGH THE LAND BANK REGARDING SOME PROJECTS, UH, SOME REHAB, SOME PROPERTY ACQUISITION AND DEMO, AND THE MIAMI VILLA VILLA AREA. UH, THE METHODS OF APP, UH, METHODS OF ADMINISTERING THAT GRANT HAS RECENTLY CHANGED. UH, WHAT THEY WILL BE DOING IS THEY WILL ACTUALLY, AND IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS ACTUALLY. UM, WHAT THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE DOING IS THEY WILL BE HANDLING, UM, DOING THE BIDDING FOR ANY DEMO OR ANY WORK DONE, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH THE LAND BANK OR THROUGH THE COUNTY. AND THEN THEY WILL THEN PAY FOR THAT AND THEN GIVE US A BILL FOR WHAT OUR SHARE WOULD BE. NORMALLY YOU WOULD GET THE AWARD OR YOU WOULD HANDLE IT YOURSELF AND THEN PUT IN FOR REIMBURSEMENT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR THAT. UH, IN ADDITION REGARDING THAT, UH, WE'RE STILL AWAITING TO GET ON THE DOCKET, UH, FOR THE ACQUISITION OF A FEW OF THE PARCELS DOWN THERE. UH, WE HAVE SINCE LEARNED THAT ONE OF THE PARCELS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY ACQUIRING IN THAT PROJECT IS CURRENTLY UNDER, UM, INTEREST OF A THIRD PARTY. SO, UM, EITHER WAY, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A WIN FOR THAT. SO, UH, THE TIMING OF IT, WE THOUGHT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER, BUT IT'S JUST, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE IN THE PROCESS, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE STILL ON IT AND IS STILL A PROJECT THAT WE HOPE TO HAVE DONE. UH, THEY'RE NOT SURE AS FAR AS THE LAND BAKE PORTION, UH, THEY CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACQUIRE AND RETAIN THE PARCELS FOR OWNERSHIP AND THEN POSSIBLE DEMO WITHIN THIS CALENDAR YEAR. HOWEVER, WE WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO TAKE ANY MONIES AND DIVERT THEM TO OUR SECONDARY PROJECT, WHICH IS DEMO FOR, UH, FOR MARIAN CENTER. SO, UH, NONETHELESS WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE USE OF THOSE FUNDS, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AND WE'LL KEEP YOU KEEP YOU UP TO DATE AND POSTED. WE ALSO HAD A BID OPENING FOR THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PROJECT. UH, LAST FRIDAY WE HAD THREE RESPONDENTS PROVIDE, UM, UH, BIDS AND QUOTES. THERE WAS SOME, UM, SOME DIFFERENCE, UH, BETWEEN THE HIGH AND THE LOW. SO, UH, LWCC IS INTERVIEWING THE TWO LOWEST RESPONSES TO VERIFY AND MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, THE BID ITSELF WAS COMPLETE. UH, AND THEN THEY WILL REVIEW AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO US AS PART OF THE PROCESS, UH, VERIFYING THAT THE, UH, THE BID RESPONSES WERE, UM, UH, IN LINE WITH WHAT THEIR BID PACKET WAS SO ANXIOUS TO GET THAT BACK AS WELL. AND WE'LL BRING THE RESULTS, UH, FOR, UM, FOR REVIEW BY COUNCIL. UH, AND, UH, THE, THE FINAL THING IS, IS THEY MIGHT VALLEY MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION, UH, HAS CONTACTED US AND WANTS TO ADOPT OUR PARK, UH, THE PARK OFF OF A LONGFORD IN DIAL WHERE THE, UH, POTENTIAL TRAILS AND MOUNTAIN BIKE THAT WE APPLIED FOR THE GRANT FOR IT TO BE, UH, WE'VE CREATED AN AGREEMENT, LEGAL HAS REVIEWED IT AND LOOKED AT ANY LIABILITIES THEY WANT TO BASICALLY MAINTAIN, UH, AND UPKEEP THOSE TRAILS. ONCE THEY'RE DONE AGAIN, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE, UH, THE AWARD THAT WAS DEFERRED FROM LAST FALL, UH, IN HOPES THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE THAT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. AND IF SO, WE'VE GOT A GREAT ORGANIZATION THAT WANTS TO STEP UP AND BASICALLY ADOPT THAT AREA TO PROVIDE, UH, MAINTENANCE, UM, TRIMMING AND UPKEEP OF THE VEGETATION OVER THE TRAILS, ET CETERA, TO KEEP THEM USABLE AND VIABLE, NOT ONLY FOR THEIR ORGANIZATION, BUT ALSO FOR, UH, FOR ANY OTHER PARTIES INTERESTED. SO, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT I HAD THIS EVENING. UM, AND, UH, THE REST ARE WITHIN THE AGENDA ITEM. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. SCHOMER REGARDING ANYTHING THAT HE SPOKE OF IN HIS CITY MANAGER REPORT [00:05:02] HEARING? NONE WE'LL MOVE ON. NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE [ Disposal of Surplus Property - IT Department] B THE DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS PROPERTY THROUGH THE IT DEPARTMENT. HOW ARE YOU, SIR? I'M WELL, HOW ARE YOU, SIR? GOOD, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. UH, THIS RESOLUTION IS FOR THE DISPOSAL OF OUR OLD ASMR 400, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 15 YEARS OLD. IBM WILL NO LONGER SUPPORT IT. AND ALSO WAS OUR OLD CAT, UH, SERVER THAT WE USE FOR OUR CAT DISPATCHING SYSTEM. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE COUNCIL APPROVAL TO, UH, DISPOSE OF IT BECAUSE OF THE COST THAT WE PAID FOR IT ORIGINALLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? THAT SOUNDS SIMPLE ENOUGH. ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT ON TO ME? OKAY. MOVE IT TO MONDAY. NEXT UP IS [ Increase Not To Exceed Amount – SHI International - IT Department] ITEM THREE. YOU SEE THE INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR SHI INTERNATIONAL. YES. UM, SSI IS OUR, UM, VENDOR THAT WE USE FOR OUR OFFICE THREE 65 LICENSES. UM, THEIR COSTS WILL THE $25,000 FOR THE LICENSES. SO WE NEED TO HAVE COUNCIL APPROVAL TO EXCEED THAT AMOUNT FOR ONE CALENDAR YEAR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MR. SHAW. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR BRIAN, A QUICK QUESTION. UM, IN THE PAST YEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING THE PANDEMIC, I'M SURE WE HAD SOME STAFF, YOU KNOW, WORKING FROM HOME, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. HAS THAT PLAYED A ROLE INTO THIS INCREASE IN ADDITIONAL LICENSING OR IS IT JUST THE LICENSING THEMSELVES THAT'S INCREASED? UH, SOME OF THAT DID PAY IT, PAY AN INCREASE. UM, WE HAD, UM, WE HAD TO MOVE FROM LICENSES, GAVE, UM, SOME OF THE USERS, THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE ONE 800 CALL FEATURE. UM, SO WE HAD ADDITIONAL, UH, 20 ADDITIONAL LICENSES ADDED, BUT THE COST WAS GOING TO EXCEED 25,000 ROUGHLY AROUND ABOUT 29. BUT WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL LICENSES, IT TOOK THE COSTS ABOUT 34,000. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON TO MONDAY? OKAY. YES. GOOD THINKERS WHEN YOU'RE COMING OUT. OKAY. SO EVERYBODY JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE, UM, MIKES ARE MUTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. [ Request For Qualifications – Community Needs Assessment – Inclusivity, Diversity, and Equality] NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE D THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR INCLUSIVITY DIVERSITY AND THE QUALITY, THE SHUM. YES. THANK YOU. AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE, UH, ACTUALLY AT THE UPDATE FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING, WE SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE BRINGING A, A RESOLUTION, UH, TO BEGIN THE PROCESS FOR THE REQUEST FOR STATEMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS. THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES THAT, UH, THE, UM, UH, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS, UM, AS, UH, MET PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR TIMES AT LEAST TO DISCUSS THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AND UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF THE TASKS INVOLVED IN THIS AS BE ABLE TO HELP DEVELOP THE SCOPE AND TO BRING BACK A, WHAT WOULD BE A, A VERY GOOD IDENTIFIED, UM, EITHER REQUISITES FOR FIRMS AND SCOPES FOR IT. SO WE WILL BE RELYING ON, ON THE WORK AND EXPERTISE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, TO HELP PUT THIS TOGETHER. AND ONCE IT'S ASSEMBLED, THEN WE WILL GET IT OUT AND SEE WHAT THE RESPONSES ARE AND THEN TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP. OKAY. THANK YOU, ROB, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WE'RE GOING TO, YEAH, YES. I'M SURE I'LL GO. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT AFTER OBSERVING THE LAST MEETING, I JUST, I WANTED TO BE CERTAIN THAT IT SOUNDED TO ME, LIKE THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED WITH PLAYING A VERY ACTIVE ROLE IN THAT SELECTION. AND THEN I ASSUME THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THAT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE PART OF, AS YOU SAID, CREATING THAT SCOPE AND DECIDING WHAT INFORMATION THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IN THAT RFQ. YEAH. THAT'S UM, AND I, WHEN WE GAVE THE UPDATE LAST WEEK, I THINK HE EVEN INDICATED THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, W WE'LL RESPECT THEIR REQUEST TO BE INDEPENDENT FOR MANY OF THE EFFORTS AND RESOURCES OF THE CITY AND, UM, INTAKE PRETTY MUCH A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND ALLOW THEM TO, UH, TO TAKE THIS TASK ON THEMSELVES. THANK YOU FOR GOTCHA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. OKAY. ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT ON TO OUR MEETING TODAY? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL SEE THAT AS MONDAY NEXT UP. [ Huber Heights Community Center] WAS I IN THREE E THE HEAT BRIDES COMMUNITY CENTER, ROB, HAVING THAT BIG? SURE. I'LL JUST OPEN IT UP AND THEN PASS IT OFF TO A MR. KING. WHO'S ONLINE HERE. UM, THE POWELL ROAD BUILDING THE BLUE BUILDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IN EMPOWERMENT PROGRAM BUILDING, UM, THAT WAS, UH, BUILT UNDER A CDBG GRANT, UH, HAS GONE THROUGH A, UM, A SERIES OF USES. UH, AND THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN DEFINED AROUND A, UH, LEAST CONTRACTOR CHARTER USE FOR THE BUILDING. UH, HOWEVER, SINCE THERE IS NOT ONE, WE WERE AT A DECISION POINT TO SAY, WELL, ARE WE GOING TO, UM, PUT A LITTLE MONEY INTO IT TO GET THE BUILDING UP AND STANDING, OR, UH, RETURNING TO THE EARTH FOR WHERE IT CAME IN, IN, IN TEAR IT DOWN BECAUSE IT HAD SAT, UH, NOT BEING USED. [00:10:01] UH, SO, UH, HAVING THE STAFF, UH, JOSH AND SOME OTHER, UM, OPPORTUNITIES, WE, UM, UH, WE BASICALLY PUT A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, UH, ELBOW GREASE INTO IT AND SOME, UH, UH, SOME REPAIRS, UH, WE'VE SINCE HAD A COUPLE OF GROUPS BEGIN TO USE IT, CAUSE THEY WERE IN NEED OF A SPACE AND WE'D COME TO FIND OUT THAT IT WOULD BE A GREAT COMMUNITY CENTER. PEOPLE WANTED A BIRTHDAY, PEOPLE HAVE SMALL GROUPS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HAVE A NEED. IT'S A, IT'S REALLY A WELL LAID OUT WELL-DESIGNED SPACE, A LOT OF ACREAGE FOR SOME OUTDOOR USE. UH, AND, UH, WE REALLY WANT TO TURN IT INTO THE FACILITY THAT, UM, UH, THAT, THAT IT, IT ALWAYS COULD BE, UH, SINCE THERE ISN'T A, UH, AN ORGANIZATION, UH, THAT'S ABLE TO REALLY ACTIVATE IT TO THE EXTENT THAT IT SHOULD BE ACTIVATED, UM, AND REALLY HAVE BENEFIT FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. SO TURN OVER TO JOSH AND LET HIM TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE AND SOME OF THE, UH, IDEAS MOVING FORWARD. HEY, COME ON, JOSH ROB SAID THE, UH, THE OLD NDP BUILDING OUT ON POWELL ROAD. UM, NO, WE, UH, WERE LOOKING FOR A SPACE. WE WERE APPROACHED BY GIRL SCOUTS. THEY NEEDED SOMEWHERE IN THE COLD WEATHER MONTHS TO GO. AND, UH, WE MADE SURE THE BUILDING WAS USABLE FOR THEM. AND THEN WE PICKED UP A CUB SCOUT TROOP AS WELL. THAT'S BEEN USING IT FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, JUST AS A PLACE TO MEET AT. UM, BUT UPON THEM USING IT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SAW SOME OTHER NEEDS THAT WERE, THAT NEEDED DONE THERE. SO WE HAD THE FLOORS, UH, REDUNDANT, A COUPLE OF AREAS, HAD ALL THE INTERIOR LIGHTS AND ONE AREA OF THE BUILDING UPDATED, UH, AND REDONE BECAUSE NONE OF THE BULBS WORK HAD EVERYTHING UPDATED, LED THEIR EXTERIOR LIGHTING, UM, YOU KNOW, REDONE AND UPDATED LED AS WELL. UM, AND JUST KIND OF LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, LIKE ROB SAID, A RENTABLE SPACE FOR PEOPLE FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES, UH, THINGS OF THE SUCH THE SCOUT TROOPS ARE ALREADY EXCITED TO CONTINUE USING IT. AND WITH THE ACREAGE, THAT'S THEIR WHOLE CAMP OUTS AND STUFF. UM, YOU KNOW, IF ALLOWS IN THE SPRING, UH, PLENTY OF SERVICE HOURS AVAILABLE FOR SCOUTS AS WELL WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT GARDEN PLOTS THERE THAT NEEDED ATTENDED TO, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF SCOUT TROOPS, UH, EXPRESS INTEREST IN HELPING PAINT THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA KIND OF USE OUR ART SHOW THAT ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION IS DOING AT THE END OF FEBRUARY AS A KICKOFF TO ANNOUNCE THAT THAT PROPERTY IS AVAILABLE FOR RENT, UH, BEEN WORKING WITH SARAH TO GET A FORM TOGETHER AND A CALENDAR ONLINE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND SEE, YOU KNOW, THE AVAILABILITY AND JUST KIND OF TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING ONLINE THERE. HOPEFULLY THANK YOU, JOSH. I THINK THAT'S, I MEAN, ALL, I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC USE OF THE SPACE. WE HAVE IT. UM, AND I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR WHAT COULD HAPPEN THERE, UH, WE COULD SUPPORT THE CITY. I THINK IT'S A GREAT LOCATION. IT'S A GREAT BUILDING. AND I THINK IT WAS GREAT FOR CITING TO SIGN, TO PUT SOME MONEY, TO INVEST INTO THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S FROM REAL, DEFINITELY THE COMMUNITY. I THINK WE'LL SEE SOME, UH, I THINK WE'LL SEE SOME DIVIDENDS PAID JUST IN, IN THE YOUTH AND THE ENJOYMENT PEOPLE GET OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY. SO I THINK THAT'S, UH, A GREAT THING ONLY AROUND, SO I APPRECIATE THAT UPDATE, JOSH. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. OKAY. SO THIS WAS JUST UPDATE AND NOTHING NEEDED FROM COUNCIL, NO ASHES KIND OF EXACTLY. IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A RECREATION AMENITY JUST LIKE THE REST ON THE ASSET LIST FOR THE CITY. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO ACTIVATE IT, UH, GET IT TO WHERE IT'S ABLE TO BE USED AND ENJOYED BY THE COMMUNITY. UH, AS JOSH MENTIONED, THIS PARK SHELTER, THERE THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS AND, UM, IN THE UPCOMING SPRING TIME, WHEN PEOPLE ARE READY TO GET OUTSIDE AND DO SOME THINGS, AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER SPACE FOR, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ENJOY. THANKS, ROB, APPRECIATE THAT. [ ZC 20-31 - Major Change - Basic Development Plan - Koehler & Wang - The Oaks Subdivision] NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE F WHICH HAS A ZEC TWO ZERO DASH THREE ONE A MAJOR CHANGE TO BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR KILLER AND WANG AT THE OAKS SUBDIVISION. MR. , HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. GOOD TO SEE YOU. UM, AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE LEFT OUTSTANDING THAT, UM, W WE WERE REQUESTED TO INVESTIGATE A LITTLE BIT, UH, BEFORE THIS WENT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING IN YOUR PACKET IS A POTENTIAL PROPOSED AMENDED ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESSES A COUPLE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP. UH, THE FIRST ISSUE WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC STREETS, UM, IN LOOKING AT THAT AND DISCUSSING WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY ARE AGREEABLE TO MAKE THOSE PUBLIC STREETS WITH SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. UM, SO THAT TAKES OUT ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, PRIVATE STREETS AND FUTURE MAINTENANCE, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME OF THOSE WITHIN THE CITY THAT HAVE TURNED INTO SOME ISSUES YEARS DOWN THE ROAD OF, UM, HOW THOSE GET MAINTAINED AND, UM, FUTURE REQUESTS FOR THE CITY TO TAKE THEM OVER IF THEY WEREN'T DESIGNED TO PROPER STANDARDS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. [00:15:01] SO THAT TAKES THAT OFF THE TABLE AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THE PUBLIC STREETS ON THAT. UM, THE NEXT ISSUE IS ABOUT THE, UH, MAINTENANCE OF, UH, THE, THE, THE LANDSCAPING MOUND THAT SURROUNDS THE PROPERTY. AND, UH, IT'S TWOFOLD. UM, ONE PROPOSED, UH, AMENDMENT TO ITEM NUMBER 10 IS TO ADD THAT, UM, AT THE POINT OF A SUBDIVISION PLATS, THAT THOSE EASEMENTS, UH, FOR THAT LANDSCAPING, UM, INCLUDE A CONSERVATION EASEMENT, UM, ON THOSE LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREAS WITH THE DEFINITIONS OF WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE TOUCHED WITH THAT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, DISEASED AND DEAD TREES CAN BE REMOVED, BUT WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED IN KINDS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. SO THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, A, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, HOW DO WE ENFORCE THIS DOWN THE ROAD? UM, SO THAT'S THAT NUMBER 11 IN THAT PROPOSAL, WHICH, UM, COMBINED SOME OF OUR EXISTING PUD AGREEMENT REQUIREMENTS AND ADDS A LITTLE EXTRA INTO IT ABOUT HOW THAT DOES GET RECORDED AND, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, UM, THAT IN THAT PHASE, THEY'LL INCLUDE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY REMEDIES FOR NON-COMPLIANCE. SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT AGREEMENT IS WHAT THE CITY CAN DO, WHETHER IT'S THAT THE CITY WILL GO, AND IF THERE'S A TREE REMOVED AND THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO REPLACE IT, THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO GO REPLACE IT AND CHARGE BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. UM, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WHOLE AGREEMENT WOULD BE, UH, PUT INTO PLACE PRIOR TO ANY ZONING PERMIT BEING ISSUED. SO THOSE WERE THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP. AND THEN IF, UH, IT'S COUNCIL'S WISH THIS WOULD MOVE ON TO A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY AND SCHEDULED FOR TWO READINGS OF THE ORDINANCE. UM, AFTER THAT, ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS TO COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MR. . I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. HOWEVER, I'VE SPOKEN WITH RESIDENTS IN THE OAKS, AND ONE IN PARTICULAR HAD REQUESTED, UH, SHE COULDN'T COME OUT DUE TO COVID CONCERNS. SHE WANTED TO SPEAK, BUT SHE HAD ASKED IF I COULD READ A LETTER FOR HER, AND I'D LIKE TO DO THAT. UM, IT'S A BIT LENGTHY, BUT I THINK I CAN GET IT IN THE FIVE MINUTES. YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO SPEAK A MAJORITY CONCERN WE HAVE WITH THE KOHLER OR KAYLOR K KAYLA WING PROJECT IS ITS DENSITY. SINCE THE CONCEPTION OF OUR PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE HAS BEEN MUCH DISCUSSION REGARDING INTENSITY IS NOT JUST BEEN A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER, THE CITY, BUT ALSO INCLUDED OUR NEIGHBORS AND SHADY OAK FITCHBURG AND BELL FOUNTAIN. WHEN THE CHURCH WAS ADDED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND ROADWAYS WERE REROUTED THE MINUTES OF THE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION REFLECT MANY LENGTHY DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THE RESISTANCE TO ANY INCREASED DENSITY. WITH THAT IN MIND, WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THE FOLLOWING FOR CONSIDERATION TO THE COUNCIL OR PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS 116.9 ACRES. THE PARCEL, UH, KAYLOR WANG OWNS IS 14.2 ACRES OBSTRUCT SUBTRACTING THE KAYLA WANG PARCEL FROM ITS 116.9 LITERS, 102.7 ON THE REMAINING ACREAGE, 202 PREMIUM LOTS HAVE EITHER BEEN BUILT OR CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. AND THERE ARE 15 STATE LOTS MAKING A TOTAL OF 217 LOTS, 217 LOSS DIVIDED BY ACREAGE OF ONE OH 2.7 IS A DENSITY OF 2.11 ON THE KAYLOR WANG PORTION. THEY'RE PROPOSING 46 LOTS ON 14.2 ACRES RESULTING IN A DENSITY OF 3.24. THIS IS AN INCREASED DENSITY OF 54% IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE 2.1, ONE DENSITY OF THE REMAINDER OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO THE 14.2 ACRES, THIS RESULT AND AROUND THE 30 LOTS FOR THIS IS THE RESULT IN AROUND 30 LOTS FOR THIS PARCEL. THIS IS SUPPORTED BY THE ORIGINAL BDP SHOWING 31 LOTS ON THAT PARCEL. WE ASKED THE COUNCIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS INEQUITY AND FOR KALER WAYNE TO MATCH THE DENSITY OF THE REST OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PASS ATTEMPTS TO INCREASE DENSITY WITHIN THE PUD HAVE BEEN REFUSED. THERE IS A PRECEDENT PRECEDENT FOR THIS REQUEST SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS NOT A SLIGHT INCREASE IN DENSITY. IT IS BUILDING 46. HOMES WERE ORIGINALLY 31 WERE PLANNED. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE PROJECT MATCH THE REST OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, NOT ONLY MATERIALS USED FOR CONSTRUCTION, BUT IMPORTANTLY, THE DENSITY TO SHOW A CONSISTENT LOOK INTO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. SINCE KAYLA WAYNE PROJECT FRONTS ON BOTH FITCHBURG AND BELL FOUNTAIN, IT IS STRIKING VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT. WE IMPLORE THE COUNCIL TO MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT LOOK TO OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT, BOTH INSIDE SPACE AND CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS IN GENERAL, OVERALL APPEARANCE, ALL DEVELOPERS IN OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT HAVE HONORED THIS DENSITY. AND WE ASKED THAT THIS PARCEL NOT BE ALLOWED TO DEVIATE FROM THIS. UM, ON ANOTHER MATTER, MR. KAYLOR STATED DURING THE JANUARY 5TH, 2021 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, THAT THEY WERE MODELING THEIR PROJECT ON AN EPCON DEVELOPMENT IN KILOMETERS. WE VERIFY WITH MR. , WHICH SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT MR. KAYLOR REFERENCED DOING BOTH ONSITE AND ONLINE [00:20:01] RESEARCH. WE DETERMINED THE FOLLOWING ONE. THEY ARE NOT RENTALS. THESE ARE OWNER OCCUPIED. UH, THAT'S PROVIDING PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP, INVOLVEMENT AND MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP TO THE DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT USE ALL OF THE AVAILABLE LAND FOR HOUSING. THERE ARE AMENITIES INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE BENEFIT AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS AND CLEANING AND CLUBHOUSE POOL FITNESS CENTER PONDS, A LARGE GREEN SPACE WALKING PAST AN EXTRA PARKING AREAS THAT TAKE UP A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ACREAGE DOING ONLINE RESEARCH. THE UPCOMING MODEL INCLUDES THESE AMENITIES ALSO INCLUDING MANY OTHER, EXCUSE ME, I'M SO SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. IT'S LIKE YOU'RE READING AND IT'S LIKE, EVERY WORD IS GARBLED AND WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE MICROPHONE IS TOO FAR AWAY FROM YOU OR PEOPLE STILL WANT TO MUTE IT. I'M SO SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU MR. OTTO, BUT WE JUST CAN'T HEAR. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T WANT TO START. OKAY. DON'T WANT TO START THIS OVER. IT'S IT'S A BIT LENGTHY AND THERE'S STILL A BIT LEFT. UM, WHAT I WILL DO IS I'LL STOP THERE AND I'LL SUBMIT THIS TO TONY. CAN I HAVE THE EMAILS? I'LL PUT IT UP IN AGENDA QUICK ON THE WEBSITES BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU. UM, AND, UH, AND MY DISCUSSIONS WITH FOLKS, IT SEEMS THAT AMONGST THE THEY'RE SMALLER ITEMS OF CONCERN, BUT REALLY THOSE ARE WORKABLE AND, AND THEY, THEY CAN GET AROUND THEM IN DENSITY. IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO COME UP AS THE PRIMARY ISSUE THAT I'M, THAT I'M HEARING FROM THEM. SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN WORK TO REDUCE DENSITY IN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE IT GIVE IT THAT, THAT SPACING, THAT THAT FEELS LIKE IT'S, IT'S A PART OF THE OAKS. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD GO VERY, VERY FAR WITH THE RESIDENTS AND BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, UM, FROM THOSE FOLKS. SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO BRING, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL INFORMATION, CAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS WAS COVERED, BUT THE, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE EXISTING, UM, PUD, UH, THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT IS FOR THAT. AND, UH, JUST TO, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT REALLY MADE THE TRANSITION OR FILLED THE GAP AS TO HOW IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL. NOW, AS YOU RECALL, THE LAND WAS ALL OWNED BY ONE PERSON THAT ONE PERSON CREATED THE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, HAD ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, THE PD AND THE ZONING AND ALL THAT STUFF, UH, CREATIVE WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE HOUSES OF THE LIKES WITHIN THE ENTIRETY OF THE, UH, OF THE LAND ASSEMBLY, THEY STOPPED BUILDING. UM, THEN THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO SELL PART OF THE LOT OFF BECAUSE THEY WERE CHANGING THE DIRECTION OF THEIR PLANS. SO THEY SOLD OFF A PART OF THE LAND AND CHANGED IT TO THE CHURCH, WHICH IS THERE NOW, UH, THE CHURCH NEVER BUILT, UH, THERE WAS NO MOVEMENT ON THAT. SO NOW WE HAVE, UM, UM, THE, THE COUPLE THAT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY HERE, WHICH BRINGS THAT IN AS WELL. SO EFFECTIVELY WHAT THE, UH, THE HISTORY OF IT IS, IS THAT ALL TRUE? UM, THE INTENTION ISN'T TRYING TO MATCH, UH, AND I THINK THAT IT'S MAKING THE APPEARANCE, THAT THIS WOULD STILL BE INCLUDED OF WHAT WAS INTENDED TO BE A KIND OF CONTINUATION, BUT THAT CONTINUATION STOPPED WHEN THE ORIGINAL OWNERS OF THE LAND CHOSE TO STOP WHERE THEY WERE AND THEN SO PARCEL PART OF IT OFF. SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL STEP IN THERE THAT WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH STILL THE ORIGINAL ASSEMBLY OF LAND, THE, THE, UH, UH, THE, THE IDEA AND THE CONCEPT AND USE OF IT, UH, HAS BEEN CHANGED, WANTS TO, AND THEN, UH, AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING THE DENSITY AND ALL THAT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOR, UM, UH, FILLING IN HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS THAT THAT OCCURRED, UM, AT A BREAKING POINT ONCE THE DIRECTION OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT HAD HAD CHANGED. SO CURRENTLY IT'S OWN TO HAVE THE CHURCH IN IT. UM, AND, UM, UH, THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST TO CHANGE WOULD BE. I KNOW THAT'S REAL EVIDENT AND CLEAR, BUT TO PUT ALL THOSE STEPS TOGETHER AS HOW IT HAPPENED, I JUST TO CHRONOLOGICALLY LIST THAT OUT. SO, YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. CAUSE I DO THINK THERE IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING, BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, I KNOW THAT THAT SECTION, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT 14 ACRES IS LEGALLY, TECHNICALLY NOW A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PIECE OF PROPERTY ENTITY, LAND MASS, SEPARATE FROM THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY THAT WAS DEVELOPED AS THE OAKS. BUT IN SAYING THAT, I MEAN, I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, UH, MY SHARE OF RESIDENTS HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME AND, UH, AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, UM, WITH RESIDENTS. I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, WITH MRS. SMITH WHO SENT THAT EMAIL. AND, UH, I THINK THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD AGREE THAT THE OVERALL SENSE OF THE PROJECT IS IT HOUSES LOOK GREAT. I THINK THEY THEY'RE HIGH VALUE. THEY, THEY RENT FOR A LOT THERE. UM, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY OF THEM, IT'S IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO THAT DENSITY ISSUE ABOUT HOW THAT FITS IN WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. AND I THINK EVEN CONVERSATION WASN'T SO MUCH ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SHE HAD EVEN SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO LIVE THERE, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE OVERALL [00:25:01] FEELING OF DENSITY AND WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE SEPARATE FROM, UH, THE WAY THAT WHOLE AREA, ONCE YOU START MOVING, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT EAST OF THE CITY ON THAT OR HOW THAT WAS ALL GONNA GO TOGETHER. SO, UM, I THINK IF I TRY TO CON CONSIDER EVERYONE'S PERSONAL FEELINGS ASIDE, I THINK THAT EVERYTHING THAT I'VE GATHERED FROM EVERYONE I'VE TALKED TO, IT COMES DOWN TO THAT DENSITY NUMBER AS WELL. SO, UH, I THINK THAT IS THE, FROM, FROM THE RESIDENT'S PERSPECTIVE WHO LIVE AROUND THERE, WHO BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMPACTED, THE MOST DENSITY DENSITY IS THE, IS THE CONCERN. UM, YES, MRS. MERGER, THERE ARE FOUR OF US THAT ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THIS. UM, A VERY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION. UM, WE NEED TO FIX THE VIDEO OR THE AUDIO PROBLEM RIGHT NOW, SO WE CAN HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION, BUT WITHOUT HEARING WHAT'S BEING SAID AT THAT END, UH, IT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING IN THE SETUP. IF ALL FOUR OF US NOT HEAR YOU AND WE NEED TO STOP THIS MEETING UNTIL WE GET IT FIXED. SO WE, YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE. KAY. IS, DOES THAT ANY BETTER? THAT'S FINE. I'M GLAD YOU CAN. HOLD ON. I'M JUST, I'M ASKING, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IF IT WAS A DIFFERENT SPEAKING THROUGH MY MASK OR NOT THE MASK, IS THAT GARBLING ANY OF, ANY OF MY VOICE, MR. WEB, I'VE BEEN TRYING DIFFERENT THINGS AND NONE OF THEM ARE WORKING. SO IT NEEDS TO BE IT MOST LIKELY. IS IT YOU'RE IN, UM, MIRROR? YES. MR. WEBB. YEAH. IT'S EXTREMELY GARBLED. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MICROPHONE IS FOR YOU GUYS TONIGHT. IT IS ONLY FROM YOUR END TO US, UM, PERSON TO PERSON ON THIS END. WE SOUND GREAT. LIKE WE ALWAYS DO IN THE, UM, UH, LIVE STREAM MEETINGS, BUT YOU GUYS ARE TOTALLY GARBLED, MR. AUTOS, UM, LETTER THAT HE READ WAS TOTALLY UNINTELLIGIBLE. WE COULDN'T HEAR A WORD OF IT OR MAKE ANYTHING OUT OF IT. AND, UH, IT'S JUST A DEEP RUMBLE ACCOMPANYING ALL OF YOUR VOICES. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR MICROPHONE IS LOCATED TONIGHT, BUT WHEREVER IT IS, IT IS NOT TRANSMITTING TO THE, UM, TEAMS UP VERY WELL THICK. ARE YOU HEARING IT? YOU'RE ON MUTE, BABE. SORRY. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THEM OR HEAR HIM EITHER. I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS MY SPEAKER ON MY TABLET, BUT I HEAR YOU TWO PERFECTLY, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND MAYBE ONE OUT OF EVERY 10 SENTENCES THAT COMES OUT OF THERE. I'M JUST GETTING BITS AND PIECES. I HEARD THE WORD DENSITY. I HEARD THE WORD CONCERN, BUT THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT OUT OF IT. ROB. YOU'RE SOUNDING GOOD RIGHT THERE. I THINK IT'S JUST BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU'RE COMING THROUGH THE SPEAKER UP TOP AND SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT QUIET. DOES THE AUDIO COME THROUGH ANY BETTER WHEN I DON'T HAVE A MASK ON? I CAN HEAR YOU STILL GARBLED MIRROR. OKAY. ROB SOUNDS GOOD. HOW ABOUT NOW? IS IT ANY BETTER? WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING THAT JEFF SAID. WE DIDN'T KNOW. I HEAR WHAT MR. SCHOMER SAID. SO NOTHING IS BETTER NOW EITHER. HEY, YOU'RE STILL FAR AWAY. JEFF. ELLIE IS, IS THERE NOT A WAY FOR US TO, AT ALL PATCH INTO THE SOUND SYSTEM THERE THROUGH AT, AT INTERFACE. OKAY. WHAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'D DONE IN THE PAST. UM, MR. SCHUMER HAS DONE THE SET UP AND HE SAYS THERE'S NOTHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS SETUP THAN WHAT THERE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST. THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU MAYOR. SORRY. I REMEMBER US HAVING . [00:30:38] HOW DOES THE SOUND COME ACROSS NOW? IS THAT ANY BETTER? IS THAT ANY BETTER? THAT'S BETTER THAN IT WAS MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THE MICROPHONE THAT WAS AT THE PODIUM WAS PLUGGED IN. SO NOW THAT THAT'S UNPLUGGED, MAYBE THAT MICROPHONE'S NOT PICKING UP, UH, UH, BACKGROUND OR REVERB OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS ANYBODY WHO DOES WISH TO SPEAK AT THE PODIUM. UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY WILL, HOW THEY WILL COME THROUGH EITHER OR IF WE HAD, UH, A WIRELESS MIC. SO, OKAY. SO ARE WE GOOD TO CONTINUE AT THIS POINT? AUDIO? OKAY. SO THE, THE, UH, THE EMAIL THAT, UH, MR. OTTO READ MR. ROGERS IS GOING TO DISTRIBUTE THAT EMAIL. SO EVERYONE WILL HAVE THAT IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ALREADY, UM, I BELIEVE SHE SENT IT TO MANY OF US, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS DISTRIBUTED. OKAY. YES. SO WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT ONLINE WHERE EVERYBODY CAN CAN SEE THAT. UH, THE ONLY EXTRA COMMENTS THAT I ADDED WAS, YOU KNOW, I, I SPOKE TO HER AS WELL. AND I THINK THAT THE OVERALL, UM, VARYING ISSUE ON THIS PROJECT SEEMS TO BE THE, THE DENSITY AND THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES ON THAT SPECIFIC ACREAGE. I THINK THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPERS MAKING IS IN THE ZONING CHANGE. IT'S NOT PART OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A SEPARATE LANDMASS ALTOGETHER. THAT 14 ACRES IS DIFFERENT. COME IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER. NICE CEILING TILES, ROB. I THINK THE THIRD LIGHT BULB OVER NEEDS TO CHANGE IS THE AUDIO ANY BETTER? I CAN HEAR YOU, ROB. WE HAVE A FULL VIEW OF THE CMR. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. OKAY. UH, JERRY, YOU, MR. MAGELLAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR, YOU KNOW, BUT I'D HAVE TO CONCUR WITH EVERYONE ELSE BEFORE LOOKING AT THE CEILING TILES, EVERYTHING WAS PRETTY GARBLED. OKAY. HOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU? CAUSE WHERE I'M AT NOW? UM, I'M ABOUT READY TO ASK THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE, THERE'S FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, PLUS ME, DO I COUNT AS A CORUM? BECAUSE IF, IF THE REST OF COUNCIL CAN'T HEAR THE WE'RE GONNA RESCHEDULE THIS MEETING UNTIL WE CAN, WE CAN FIX IT OR GET IT RIGHT. SO AM I A NUMBER FIVE PART OF A QUORUM TO CONTINUE THIS MEETING? IF NO ONE ELSE CAN HEAR OR DOES IT REQUIRE FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS? WE CAN'T HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OH, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO FIX THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, MR. MCDONALD'S BUY FIVE OR DOES IT REQUIRE A FIFTH COUNCIL MEMBER BE HERE? JERRY? HE IS ASKING IS, UM, DOES JEFF COUNT AS THE FIFTH COUNCIL MEMBER? CAUSE THERE'S FOUR THERE OR DOES IT REQUIRE FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS? BECAUSE HE'S WONDERING IF THEY HAVE A QUORUM WITHOUT US. OH YEAH. I'M LOOKING AT TONY. THERE'S ONLY, THERE'S ONLY THREE HERE ALREADY, SO I'M NOT SURE. SO NOBODY ELSE, UH, CAN, UH, HELLO, COUNCIL ROGERS. HE CAN HEAR US. SO THE ISSUE IS IF WE, IF WE DON'T HAVE A CORUM, IF THERE'S NO AUDIO ON THE OTHER END, THEN WE'RE GOING TO RESCHEDULE THE MEETING. JEFF, IF YOU CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN, QUORUM [00:35:01] IS FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS OTHER THAN THE MAYOR. OKAY. SO WE HAVE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT. THERE ARE OTHERS VIA REMOTE, AND IF THEIR AUDIO IS NOT WORKING TOWARD, THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING. THEN I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND WE ADJOURN THIS EVENING AND RESCHEDULE FOR ANOTHER NIGHT WHERE WE HAVE, WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT TO CONTINUE THIS. THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION LOOKING AT, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. COULD WE RECONNECT AS A TEAMS MEETING? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER OPTION. OKAY. UH, WE'RE GOING TO RECESS. DO I NEED A MOTION TO RECESS? YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO RECESS FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES. WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT. WE'LL ALL GET YOU THERE BACK ON THE TEAMS MEETING. AND IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN AND WE'LL PICK THIS MEETING BACK UP ONCE WE'VE GOT A QUORUM. OKAY. SO WELCOME EVERYBODY BACK. IT IS NOW SIX 48. WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP A CONTINUE. SO I, I DO THINK THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION ITEM ON THE, UH, ON THE MAJOR CHANGE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WELL, WE'LL CONTINUE HERE. SO WE HAD A RESIDENT, UH, SEND A LETTER AND THAT LETTER, UM, MR. AUTO READ, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME, UH, ISSUES IN THE AUDIO, BUT THAT A LETTER HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND IT'S NOW BEEN PUT UP ON THE, ON THE WEB, ON FOR THE AGENDA. YEP. SO IT WILL BE THIS EVENING. SO EVERYONE CAN READ THAT IN THE CONCERNS. UM, THE BIG CONCERN THAT WAS EXPRESSED IN THAT LETTER THAT MR. OTTER READ WAS THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MAIN CONCERN THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE. UH, I'VE SPOKEN TO RESIDENTS THERE AS WELL. AND THAT WAS THE MAIN THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO ME, NOT THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSES, NOT THE, UM, NOT THE SIZE, NOT THE, NOT THE COST. YOU KNOW, NONE OF THOSE THINGS WERE BROUGHT UP. THEY'VE BEEN SATISFIED WITH SOME OF THE CONCESSIONS THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAS, HAS, HAS CHOSE TO MAKE, UM, TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF A COMPROMISE. I THINK I EVEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, WHEN I SPOKE TO ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, I EVEN SAID, LOOK, A COMP, THE BEST COMPROMISE IS WHEN NOBODY GETS EVERYTHING THEY WANT. RIGHT? SOME, EACH, EACH PARTY HAS TO GIVE SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY. THAT IS, THAT IS THE BEST FORM OF COMPROMISE. SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING TOWARD THAT END. BUT THE BIGGEST QUESTION SEEMS TO REMAIN THE BIGGEST PROBLEM SEEMS TO REMAIN A QUESTION OF DENSITY, EVEN THOUGH THAT PARTICULAR LAND MASS, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF THE YOLKS. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AS A CHURCH THAT STILL DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, TAKE AWAY THE FACT THAT IT'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT SITS RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR PROPERTY. SO, SO THOSE CONCERNS FOR THE CONTINUITY OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW IT ALL LOOKS, THE DENSITY IS, HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN THE MAIN ISSUE. UM, SO MR. OTTO HAD ASKED THE QUESTION IS, IS DENSITY OR LOWER DENSITY SOMETHING TO DEVELOP OR CONSIDER? UH, WE HAVEN'T ASKED THAT QUESTION DIRECTLY, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE MINDS OF THE, OF THE RESIDENTS WHO, WHO CURRENTLY LIVE THERE, WHO ARE CURRENT OCCUPANT, TAX-PAYING CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY. SO WE HAD, UH, SOME YOU BASICALLY, BECAUSE OF THESE REMOTE MEETINGS AT THE, UH, AT THE WORK SESSION, LAST TIME WE DID GIVE, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM KEVIN WANG, AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOG IN AND BE PART OF THAT WORK SESSION. AND I KNOW WE'D HAD SOME REQUESTS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO COME, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, UH, AS WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, THE DECISION TO GO TO A REMOTE HYBRID MEETING WAS, WAS MADE RECENTLY. SO, UM, WE HAVE ALLOWED AND I MADE THE DECISION TO, UH, ALLOW DEBRA TO BE ON THE MEETING AS WELL AS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE HOA. SO RATHER THAN HAVING 50, 60 HOMEOWNERS OR HOW MANY EVER LOG INTO ONE MEETING, UM, WE'VE ALLOWED, UH, DEBRA TIP TO BE PART OF THE MEETING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS, CONCERNS IDEAS WERE AS ONLY TO BE FAIR FROM A WORK SESSION PERSPECTIVE, NOT JUST AT A COUNCIL MEETING OR A PUBLIC HEARING, WE ALLOWED THE DEVELOPER TO WORK SESSIONS, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE HOA TO SPEAK. SO, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS MS. MCNEELY, IS THAT CORRECT? I HATE TO CALL YOU BY YOUR FIRST NAME, BUT, UM, NO, THAT'S FINE. YOU CAN CALL ME. OKAY. SO WE DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE WANT YOU TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE HOA, BUT IF YOU WOULD, UH, JUST FOCUS ON SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH AND CLEAR ENOUGH THAT ALL OF US IN THE ROOM CAN PICK YOU UP THROUGH THE MICROPHONE TOO, SO WE CAN HAVE GOOD DISCUSSION AND ANY TYPE OF QUESTION, ANSWER [00:40:01] BACK AND FORTH. CERTAINLY IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE THAT YOU'D WANT TO ADDRESS TO THE DEVELOPER SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU'RE OPEN TO ANSWERING SOME QUESTIONS, IF SHE HAS ANY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO HEAR YOU AS WELL. SO THAT BEING SAID, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. AND, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAND THE MIC OFF TO YOU. THANK YOU. YES. UM, THERE WERE SOME THINGS IN THE LAST MEETING THAT UNFORTUNATELY I WASN'T ABLE TO BE AT, AND I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TIME BY REITERATING. WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT I HAVE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE ASKING ME THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER. AND YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT THE DENSITY. THAT'S BEING THE BIGGEST CONCERN FROM A SAFETY ISSUE, AS WELL AS FROM AN AESTHETICS ISSUE. UH, WE FEEL THAT WITH ALL OF THE HOUSES, ARE YOU PICKING UP A LOT OF BACKLASH FROM MY STICKER? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. WE TRIED TO TURN THE VOLUME UP. JUST MAKE SURE WE COULD HEAR YOU, BUT WE JUST NEED YOU TO SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT LOUDER BECAUSE WHEN WE TURN THE VOLUME UP HERE, THAT'S WHEN IT, THAT'S WHEN IT GIVES YOU YOUR FEEDBACK. OKAY. JUST LET ME KNOW IF I'M, IF YOU CAN'T HEAR ME AND I'LL GO LOUDER. UH, ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE DENSITY, THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES THAT WERE BEING BUILT ON SUCH A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, FROM A, UH, AN AESTHETIC POINT OF VIEW AND FROM A DANGER POINT OF VIEW, WHEN YOU PUT THAT MANY HOUSES THAT CLOSE TOGETHER, SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ONE LIKE A FIRE. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT SPREAD RATHER QUICKLY. WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO LOOK SINCE WE ARE A FAMILY COMMUNITY AND A RURAL FAMILY COMMUNITY. I KEPT HEARING LAST TIME. THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT IN COLUMBUS. BUT YOU KNOW, CUBA IS A WONDERFULLY GROWING CITY, BUT IT IS VERY FAMILY ORIENTED. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT KIND OF LOOK AND APPEAL TO FAMILIES WHERE THEY HAVE SPACE, THE LIMIT GREENSPACE, WHOEVER'S LIVING IN THOSE HOMES. THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS WHERE THEY CAN SPEND TIME OUTDOORS. AND HUBER IS A VERY OUTDOOR ACTIVITY PLACE WHERE WE CAN WALK TO OUR FARMER'S MARKETS. AND I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE FAMILIES ARE GOING TO DO THAT ARE LIVING THERE. UM, WE HAD QUESTIONS AS TO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR TRASH CANS, CERTAIN PLACES, IF YOU HAVE NO CARBS, NO GREEN SPACE, WHERE ARE YOU KEEPING ALL OF THESE THINGS? AND IT JUST BECAME A BIG ISSUE. AESTHETICS WISE, DANGER WISE. WHY DOES THERE NEED TO BE SO MANY HOUSES CRAMPED UP IN SUCH A SMALL ACREAGE OF LAND? I DON'T THINK THAT THEY EVER REALLY ANSWERED WHY THEY WANTED TO KEEP INCREASING THE NUMBER OF HOUSES THEY WERE PUTTING IN. OKAY. SO I THINK WE CAN, I'M GOING TO GO TO MR. KOSKI BECAUSE HE HAS WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER AND I, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WE, SHE BROUGHT UP AN ISSUE OF SAFETY IN HOUSES BEING CLOSE TOGETHER ARE WHEN I THINK BACK ABOUT THE DISCUSSION BEFORE ONE OF THINGS WAS BROUGHT UP, I KNOW THESE HOUSES LOOK DIFFERENT AND THEY FIT DIFFERENTLY ON, ON THE ACTUAL LUCK. CORRECT? SO THESE ARE MORE NARROW AND DEEP. WHAT IS, IS THE, IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THESE HOUSES, ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE, THAN THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOUSES IN THE OAKS OR WHERE, WHERE IS THE DIFFERENCE? BECAUSE THE HOUSE SETS ON THE LOT DIFFERENTLY. SO THESE HOUSES ARE LESS WIDE THAN THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES WITHIN THE OAKS. OKAY. DISTANCE IN BETWEEN THEM ARE THE SAME. WHAT IS THE 10 FOOT WHEN EACH SIDE IS THE SAME, WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE NORTHERN, IN THE YOLK SUBDIVISION OR ON THIS IS THAT THIS FOOT FROM, SO HERE'S THE WALL OF THE HOUSE. I GOT 10 FOOT THEN, IS THERE ANOTHER 10 FOOT BEFORE I GET TO THE OTHER HOUSE? SO THERE WAS A TOTAL OF 20. THAT IS CORRECT. SO EACH HOUSE HAS A 10 YARD SIDE YARD, 20 FEET BETWEEN HOUSEHOLD A HOUSE WALL. YES. AND THAT'S THE SAME AS IT IS IN THE UPS. YES. AND THEN THESE HOUSES THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY ARE DEEPER, THEY ARE LARGER THAN THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BUILT IN THE US. THEY HAVE A BIGGER FOOTPRINT THAN THOSE. SO THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS IT GOES DEEPER INTO THE BACKYARD. SO THERE'S WHERE THESE LOTS ARE SMALLER BECAUSE THERE'S LESS OF A REAR YARD. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. THE, A PLACE FOR A TRASHCAN IS THE SAME REGULATION FOR, FOR THESE AS EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT TYPE THING OF WHERE THEY [00:45:01] WILL PUT THEIR TRASHCAN. IT'S THE EXACT SAME, NO MATTER WHICH RESIDENTIAL HOUSE YOU LIVE AT. SO, SO THE DENSITY ISSUE. SO WHAT HAPPENS THEN IF, UM, LET'S JUST SAY 30 HOUSES WENT IN THERE AND INSTEAD OF 46, IF WE WENT TO A REGULAR ZONING, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SIZE OF THE SIDE YARD? AT THAT POINT, THERE'LL BE A LOT LARGER GAP IN BETWEEN HOUSES LARGER. CURRENTLY, IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE, YEAH. 40 FEET IN BETWEEN HOUSES RATHER THAN 20. SO THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY CHANGE THE CONSISTENCY OF THE LOOK OF THE THAT'S CORRECT OF THE PROPERTY, THE SAME AD. SO WHAT THEY'VE GOT NOW LOOKS IS GOING TO LOOK MORE OF THE SAME WITH WHAT IS IN THE OAKS THAN WHAT WOULD BE, IF IT WAS LESS DENSE, IT HAS THE SAME FRONT TREATMENTS OF MASONRY AS THE HOUSES THAT ARE IN THE OAKS. SO THIS IT'S JUST THE STYLE IS THAT IT'S THE LESS WIDE AND DEEPER, BUT THE SAME SPACING IN BETWEEN THE HOUSES. SO AS YOU DRIVE DOWN, YES, YOU SEE MORE HOUSES AS YOU DRIVE DOWN A SAME TYPICAL STREETS, BUT WITH SAME MATERIALS AND SAME SPACING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MA'AM YES. MR. CAMPBELL, UH, SCOTT, THANKS FOR THE WORK YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING, THIS MEETING, MARK, MAKE SURE YOU JUST GET INTO YOUR MIC A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UH, ALSO DO THE STREETS HAVE CURB AND GUTTER. YES. IF THEY'RE BUILT AND DONATED BACK TO THE CITIZENS. YES. THEY WILL BE BUILT TO THE SAME STANDARD OF CURB AND GUTTER, THE WIDTH, THE 27 FOOT BACK TO BACK. AND THIS WILL BE A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, NOT TWO SIDES. UM, BUT AT THE SAME QUALITY OF PAVEMENT DEPTHS AND EVERYTHING AS THE REST OF THE OAKS SUBDIVISION AND FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT OF THE HOMES, WILL THAT BE SIMILAR IN THIS DEVELOPMENT COMPARED TO THE OAKS? IT WOULD BE SIMILAR. YES. UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING THE, UH, 20 FOOT GOING SETBACK. SO THEY'D BE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. UM, K FINE. A LITTLE BIT CLOSE FIVE FEET. OKAY. AND YOU DESCRIBED THE BACKYARDS. YES. AND THE LENGTH BEING SHORTER. HOW MUCH TAKE YOUR TIME? SO THE IT'S A 40 FOOT MINIMUM REAR YARD IN THE EXISTING SECTIONS. THIS PROPOSAL IS 25 FEET. SO IT WAS A 15 FOOT DIFFERENCE IN MINIMUM. SO THERE THE HOUSE ITSELF, AS IT SITS THERE, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 25, WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE MINIMUM PROPOSED IS. AND WOULD THAT INTERPRET TO BE MORE DENSE PER ACRE THAN THE OAKS? YES. OKAY. HAVE YOU DISCUSSED WITH THE DEVELOPER IF THEY WOULD COMPROMISE ON DENSITY? I HAVE NOT. MAY I DO THAT TO THEM? OF COURSE. HEY, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UH, IF, IF YOU WOULD JUST YES, BUT, UM, SINCE WE UNPLUGGED IT, PLUGGED IT BACK IN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S PART OF THE FIX. YES, YES. YEAH. SO WE, WE, WE APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. SO, UM, WE, WE, WE ARE WILLING TO COMPROMISE A LITTLE BIT. UM, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS, UM, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS MULTI-FAMILY, BUT WHY DON'T WE S WE'VE BEEN KIND OF WHITTLING AWAY. SO WE HAVE COMPROMISED A BIT. OUR INITIAL PLAN WAS A 55 FOOT LOT THAT WE COPIED THE LOT WITH, FROM ARTISAN WALK, WHICH IS ADJACENT. SO THERE'S A CORNER TOUCHING WHERE THE EDGE OF THE OAKS WAS ORIGINALLY. WHEREAS WE HAVE A, A, YOU KNOW, BIGGER BORDER, BUT IT'S STILL RIGHT THERE. SO WE, WE TOOK THAT 55 FOOT MINIMUM, AND THAT WAS OUR INITIAL PLAN. AND WE COMPROMISED UP TO MOST OUR 60 FOOT TO GET THAT FULL 10 FEET ON EACH SIDE TO LOOK EQUIVALENT. AND THERE'S A COUPLE WHERE ON THE INSIDE, LIKE FARTHER FROM THE OAKS AREA WHERE THERE'S A COUPLE THAT ARE LIKE 58 TO MAKE THE LAYOUT WORK. UM, WE, WE, UM, ACTUALLY, CAN I SHOW YOU GUYS SOMETHING, WE BROUGHT A PRINTOUT ALONG JUST TO JUST SHOW YOU WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE. [00:50:01] I CAN EMAIL THE ARTISTS AND WALK. THIS IS JASON. WHAT WITCHES CAN YOU IDENTIFY? THIS IS ARTISTS AND WALL. OKAY. THIS IS THE, UM, AND YEAH, SO THOSE ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 55 WIDE AND LIKE 108 TO 115 DEEP. AND WE BROUGHT SOME COMPS ALONG THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY SELLING FOR MORE IN THE RECENT COMPS, THEN THE HOUSES IN THE OAKS ARE SELLING FOR. UM, SO WE, WE REALLY FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE MORE OF OUR STYLE. IT'S MORE OF, UH, WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING NOW. IT'S, IT'S, THE WIDTH IS SMALLER. AND ALSO THE DEPTH, THE MINIMUM IS TWENTY-FIVE FEET, BUT THERE'S QUITE A FEW, LOTS WHERE IT'S MORE THAN 25 FEET BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF THIS PARCEL THAT WE HAVE TO SQUEEZE IT INTO. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, I GUESS THAT'S ON SCREEN SO WE CAN'T GET IT UP THERE. BUT, UM, WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE RIGHT NOW. NOW WE COULD CERTAINLY BUMP THEM ALL UP TO 60 WIDE SO THAT EVERY HOUSE, NOT JUST 90% OF THEM HAVE THAT FULL 20 FEET IN BETWEEN TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE EQUIVALENCE, BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY EQUIVALENT RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE ARTISTS AND WALK AND HOW CLOSE IT IS. I MEAN, THAT WAS A, A SEPARATE LANDMASS TOO. AND LIKE WE SAID, WE'RE NOT PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WORK. WE'RE TRYING TO SEPARATE OURSELVES WITH THE, THE MOUND AND THE BUFFERING. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING, JUST KEEP, I MEAN, I'M GLAD I'M ACTUALLY, WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS WHERE ORANGE RATE COURTYARD, WE'RE NOT OAKS. WE ARE, WE HAVE OUR OWN THEM. I KEEP CALLING THE BIPOLAR AND THE ACCIONA. JUST PUBLISHED OUR INFLAMMATION AS WELL. WAIT A SECOND CLASS WAS ORANGE AND MURDERED COURTYARD. YEAH. WE TO OUR OWN MAN. AND THAT, THIS IS, I THINK IT'S A SEPARATED, I GUESS. YEP. YEAH. SO, SO SCOTT, WHAT I'M HEARING THE APPLICANTS SAY IS THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THAT SAME WIDTH THROUGHOUT THE SUBDIVISION. SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, BETWEEN THIS MEETING AND THE NEXT MEETING ATTEMPT TO DO THAT, GO AHEAD. UM, I, FROM A QUESTION YOU ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE DEPTH OF THE REAR YARD, THEIR HOUSES, 70 FEET, EIGHT INCHES, UH, GIVE OR TAKE IN DEPTH. THE LOTS THAT ARE UP AGAINST EXISTING LOTS ARE 130, TWO FEET DEEP. THAT LEAVES FOR ABOUT 41 FEET BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THE REAR YARD. SO THEY HAVE THE, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE CALLING OUT A 25 FOOT REAR SETBACK, THEY HAVE 40. OKAY. SO, SO THE BACK SETBACK IS EQUAL. YES. YOU'LL WORK WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT THE WIDTH ON THE SIDE YARD IS THE SAME. MY NEXT QUESTION IS SOMETHING THAT I HEARD YOU SAY AT THE LAST MEETING, AND THAT IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PHASE THIS PROJECT IN, YOU'RE GOING TO NOT BUILD THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT OUT AT ONE TIME. YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD IT IN PHASES. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? THE WAY I ANSWERED THE QUESTION? YEAH, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT WAS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YEAH. UM, THAT THAT'S, UH, THAT THE IT'S, HE'S NOT ASKING HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE SPENDING OR WHERE YOU'RE GETTING YOUR MONEY. IT'S ABOUT THAT YOU ARE PHASING AND THAT'S THAT ALL PROJECTS HAVE PHASES AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF PHASES. THAT'S DEFINITELY A LEGITIMATE QUESTION TO ASK. AND, AND MY QUESTION YOU ARE GOING TO, WE'RE NOT LIKE A HUNDRED PERCENT NAILED OUT UNTIL WE GET TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YES. BUT THE ANSWER IS YES. OKAY. SO THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT, ALTHOUGH YOU'RE GOING TO PHASE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOMES, YOU'RE GOING TO DO ALL THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE AT ONE TIME, THE BERM, THE STREETS, ALL OF THAT WILL BE DONE. YEAH. [00:55:01] UH, YOU KNOW, THE THING WITH UNDER THE GUM OR THE GRAVEL, ALL THAT WE'VE GOT ON GET DONE ONE TIME. YES. OKAY. BUT BUILDING A VERTICAL WAY, GOING UP WILL BE DIFFERENT TIME. THAT WILL BE OKAY. BECAUSE WHEN I, WHEN I HEARD THAT YOU WERE GOING TO NOT BUILD ALL THE HOMES AT ONE TIME, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS COMPLETE. OKAY. SIDEWALKS, THE STREETS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WOULD BE DONE. AND THEN YOU'LL BUILD THE HOUSES AS YOU MARKET AND ARE ABLE TO RENT THEM. WELL, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT FULLY NOW. AND I APPRECIATE AGAIN, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH STAFF AND ENSURE THAT THE SIDE YARDS ARE IN FACT EQUAL TO THE OAKS. AND NOW WHAT WOULD THAT CHANGE BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO AGAIN IN TEXT, LIKE LAST TIME WE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION, UM, THE CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, IS VERY BUSY TO GET THE, THE LOT PLAN WITH LIKE ONE LOT SQUEEZED OUT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL 60 COULD BE ONEROUS AT THIS TIME BECAUSE OF HIS SCHEDULING. IT'S ACTUALLY THE SAME GENTLEMAN WHO DID OURS AND WALK, BUT HE HAS A LOT OF PROJECTS. UM, JUST THAT ONE LITTLE CHANGE, IF WE COULD TEXTUALLY, PUT IT IN THERE AND THEN HAVE HIM DRAW IT UP FOR THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND SCOTT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HANDLED THAT CAN BE A CONDITION ADDED? UM, AND I CAN COME UP WITH THE RIGHT WORDING, UM, TO ENSURE THAT, UM, THERE'S THE, THE PROPER SIDE GUARD, SETBACKS, REAR YARD SETBACKS WITH OF LOTS, WHATEVER THAT CALCULATION TURNS OUT TO BE, UH, BASED ON THEIR HOUSES. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, WE CAN COME UP WITH LANGUAGE FOR. THANK YOU, MICHELLE. THANK YOU. UM, SINCE THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND, UH, PLEASE I'M KIND OF NOT REALLY PLAYING CATCH UP. UH, THE LAST TIME THIS WAS DISCUSSED, I HAD SERIOUS INTERNET ISSUES AS A REMOTE MEETING. AND, UM, ACTUALLY IT WAS IN THE TARGET PARKING LOT ABOUT FOUR ITEMS DOWN AFTER THIS HAD BEEN TAKEN PLACE ANYWAYS. UM, OVER THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS, UM, I HAVE RESPONDED TO ALMOST 28, UM, COMPLAINTS, UH, REGARDING YOUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, UM, OF THOSE 28 COMPLAINTS. THOSE ARE JUST ELECTRONIC, NOT INCLUDING THOSE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY TAKEN THE TIME TO WRITE IN. UM, TO ME, THAT'S SOMETHING TO STOP IN AND THEN READ AND, AND FIGURE OUT WHY ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSED TO COME IN AND BUILD HOUSES, IMPROVE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE CITY. SO AS I START READING THROUGH THEM AND, UM, AND THESE ARE JUST ELECTRONIC COMPLAINTS, THAT'S IN OUR PACKET. I DON'T KNOW. HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE SENT IN? WELL, I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE PROOF IF IT WAS EVERYTHING, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE READ QUITE A BIT THAT WAS FORWARDED TO US. OKAY. OKAY. SO ON, ON OUR WEBSITE, UM, ON OUR CLERK AND I'M SURE SCOTT CAN GET WITH YOU. UM, THERE IS A LOT OF RESIDENT CORRESPONDENCE THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE REQUIRED TO, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO, UM, I'M JUST SAYING IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. UM, AND SCOTT, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE I CONTINUE? YES. ON THAT END, UM, FROM ALL THE LETTERS THAT THE CITY RECEIVED PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, THEY RECEIVED, UH, COPIES OF THOSE AND WE WENT THROUGH 40 DIFFERENT QUESTIONS IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND ADDRESSED EACH OF THOSE WITH ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO, UM, IT HAS BEEN THROUGH, LIKE I SAID, PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE MORE THAT WE'VE SENT ON SINCE THEN. UM, BUT ISSUES THERE, UM, THAT THE LATEST ONE FROM MS. SMITH HAD A COUPLE OF NEW THINGS, BUT THE OTHER DID NOT HAVE ANY NEW ISSUES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DISCUSSED, THE DISCUSSED AND, AND CORRECT. AND I DID WATCH THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND I BELIEVE, AND SCOTT MAYBE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THE FIRST PLANNING COMMISSION, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT TOOK PLACE. THE ITEM WAS TABLED. IT WAS BROUGHT BACK THERE SHORTLY AFTER I THINK THAT WAS CHANGED ONE, UM, MAYBE TWO THAT CAME OUT AND THEN, UM, THEN IT WAS FURTHER DISCUSSION. [01:00:01] DO I HAVE A TIMELINE? CORRECT. THEY CAME FOR A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE FIRST AT PLANNING COMMISSION. THEN THE ACTUAL SUBMITTAL THAT WAS TABLED. THEY MADE SOME REVISIONS, IT WENT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THAT'S WHEN PLANNING COMMISSION MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'VE GOTTEN THE TIMELINE, UM, PRETTY MUCH IRONED OUT AND, AND AGAIN, THE, THE BOATLOAD OF CORRESPONDENCE THAT I'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH IS BEEN WELL ENLIGHTENING, UH, BECAUSE I PERSONALLY ENJOY WHEN RESIDENTS TAKE A MOMENT TO GET INVOLVED IN THEIR, IN THEIR CITY, GOVERNMENT AND, AND THEIR CITY. UM, SO WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH THIS AND I'VE LISTED A FEW OF THOSE THINGS OUT HERE, MY COLLEAGUE, MR. CAMPBELL, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, TOUCHED ON ONE OF THEM, WHICH IS THE DENSITY, UM, THE OTHERS. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TELLING YOU, I AGREE, DISAGREE, OR I'M TAKING A STANCE ON THESE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, FOLKS THAT ARE REACHING OUT TO ME OR TO, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR HOME VALUES, UM, TRAFFIC FLOW, UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, SIDEWALKS, GREEN SPACE, COMMON AREA, OTHER RETENTION POND, TOPOGRAPHY OF WATER, WATER FLOW, AND RUNOFF. THE FACT THAT, WELL, THEY JUST, FRANKLY, DON'T LIKE RENTAL UNITS NEXT TO THEIR HOME. UM, AND THE BUILDING MATERIALS ARE THEY GOING TO BE COMPARABLE? THOSE ARE PROBABLY SOME OF THE TOP ITEMS THAT I'VE HEARD, UH, THROUGHOUT. I'M NOT GOING TO CALL THEM COMPLAINTS, BUT CORRESPONDENCE THAT I'VE RECEIVED. SO I REALLY DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP MUCH MORE OF YOUR TIME ON THIS, BUT I WILL SAY THAT I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU, UH, TO, UH, TO SIT DOWN, UH, WITH MR. OR WHATEVER LANGUAGE CAN BE DRAFTED UP. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THAT DENSITY, UH, REVIEWED. UM, I WOULD, AGAIN, ENCOURAGE, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED MAYBE TO TAKE ANOTHER REVIEW OF SOME OF THAT CORRESPONDENCE, SOME OF THE NEW THINGS THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED. UM, AND, UH, AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THERE THAT'S WORTH ADDRESSING BEFORE THIS COUNCIL, UM, UH, PUTS THIS ITEM TO A VOTE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YES. MR. MCCALSKY AND THEN WE'LL GO TO MRS. BERG. UM, I GUESS IN THIS COULD WAIT AS WELL. I JUST WANT, AS I DISCUSSED THIS WITH THEM AND GO OVER SOME OF THESE THINGS, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED SO FAR ABOUT MAKING SURE ABOUT THE DEPTHS, THE WIDTH AND THAT THE WAY I SEE IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE DENSITY. UM, SO THE NUMBER OF HOUSES IT APPEARS CAN STILL BE PUT ON THIS PIECE OF GROUND WITH THOSE SIDE YARD, SETBACKS, REAR YARD, SETBACKS, THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, THAT KIND OF THING. SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE IF, IF THERE IS A NUMBER OF HOUSES ISSUE, IF THAT CAN BE GIVEN TO THE APPLICANT NOW IN REWORKING SOMETHING, UM, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE COME BACK TO YOU, UM, COULD ALLOW FOR THE SAME NUMBER OF HOUSES ON THIS PROPERTY. I JUST, IF THAT CAN BE CLEARED UP BEFORE WE MOVE ON. YEAH. I APPRECIATE THAT SCOTT. AND ACTUALLY, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW QUICK YOU'D BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THAT, BUT THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK WAS A 60, YOU KNOW, A 60 FOOT LOT ON ALL OF THEM. WHAT DOES THAT DO? DOES THAT KNOCK ONE HOUSE OUT? DOES THAT KNOCK TWO HOUSES OUT? THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL THOUGHT, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT AND SAYING, ADDING FIVE FOOT TO THE, TO THE HOUSES THAT DON'T HAVE A 60 FOOT LOT, CAUSE YOU HAD SAID 90% OF THEM DO. SO IF WE ADD THOSE EXTRAS, I MEAN, ARE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY OF 3.14 TO 3.06? I MEAN, EVEN IF IT'S ONE HOUSE TAKEN OUT, BUT IF ALL OF THEM ARE STILL IN THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ADDRESSES THAT THE DENSITY ISSUE. AND I THINK WHAT ALL, IF WE, IF WE JUST KIND OF COME DOWN TO THIS THING, THE REAL BIG ISSUE THAT EVERYBODY HAS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DENSITY WHAT'S UNDERNEATH OF THAT, IS, IS THIS GONNA MAKE MY HOUSE VALUE MORE? WE'RE JUST GONNA MAKE THE VALUE OF MY HOUSE LESS. I THINK THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT EVERYBODY IS CONCERNED ABOUT IN THE END IS WHAT IS THEIR OWN PERSONAL INVESTMENT AND THEIR HOUSE? WHAT IS THIS GOING TO DO TO THAT? UM, SO I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DENSITY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND ALL THOSE THINGS. WHAT REALLY MATTERS TO PEOPLE IS WHAT DOES IT DO TO THEIR INVESTMENT? WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE VALUE OF THEIR HOUSE? AND I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY KNOWS THAT. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS WHAT ANY, ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT IN RESIDENTIAL DOES TO THEIR HOME VALUES UNTIL TILL IT'S THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE QUANDARY THAT ALL OF US HAVE NOW WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS IS IF IT LOOKS THE SAME, FEELS THE SAME AS WHAT'S IN THE OAKS, IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE SIDE YARDS, THE BACKYARD, YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO SEE, THAT'S NOT AN AESTHETICS ISSUE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME DISTANCE ON BOTH [01:05:01] SIDES OF THE HOUSE, AS YOU DO IN ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S CLOSE. THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT DENSITY WOULD MATTER IF IT WAS FIVE UNITS PER ACRE. IF THE AESTHETICS WERE ALL THE SAME. I THINK THE BIG ISSUE IS THAT VISUALLY THE HOUSE WAS JUST DIFFERENT. THEY'RE NOT AS WIDE AND THEY'RE LONGER. UM, AND I THINK THE, WHAT IT DOES TO EXISTING HOME VALUES AROUND THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE. THE BRASS TAX IS WHAT THEY'RE REALLY CONCERNED WITH IS WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY? UM, I DON'T KNOW. AND I THINK SCOTT ASKS A VERY BALANCED QUESTION. IF THE ISSUE IS DENSITY, THEN I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR TO THE DEVELOPER TO GIVE THEM SOME GUIDELINES AND WHAT THEY NEED TO TRY TO WORK WITHIN BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW DENSITY OBVIOUSLY IS, UH, MONEY. I DON'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN HERE, I'M A SENIOR PERFORMANCE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT, MINUS ONE, MINUS TWO MINUS THREE HOUSES DOES TO YOUR PERFORMANCE. IT STILL MAKES IT WORK. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PHASING PROGRAM IS YET. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE DETAILS ARE. WE HAVE TO TRUST THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY ARE AND IF, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, I THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO CHANGE. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY WE'LL JUST COME BACK BECAUSE IF THEY ARE AIMING AT A MOVING TARGET AND THEY SOLVE A PERFORMANCE TO ME, UM, I'M NOT SURE IT'S FAIR TO ASK THEM TO DO THAT. I'M GOING TO GO TO MRS. BIRCH AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO MR. CAMPBELL, MRS. BURCH, MS. BERGER, I'M YOU OKAY. YEAH. SO W OH, WELL, YEAH. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO MR. CAMPBELL AND THEN WE'LL, UH, MS. BIRCH GETS BACK TO, THEN WE'LL GO TO HER. AND THEN I KNOW, UM, MR. WEBB HAS A QUESTION. SO MR. CAMPBELL, SCOTT, UH, HOW WOULD WE DEFINE, UH, DENSITY? WOULD IT BE BASED ON THE LOT SIZE OR WOULD IT BE BASED ON THE HOME? IT, IT, IT WOULD BE BASED ON TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS WITHIN THE ACREAGE PROVIDED. OKAY. SO IF YOU BUILT A HOME WITH MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON AVERAGE, YOU'D HAVE THE SAME DISTANCE DENSITY, CORRECT. OKAY. SO WHAT IS THE DENSITY PER ACRE IN THIS SUBDIVISION COMPARED TO THE OAKS? THE BEST YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS MORE DENSE. UM, DIDN'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER, UM, BUT IN THE RANGE OF COMPARING TWO AND A HALF UNITS STAKE, OR TO 3.1 UNITS, AN ACRE GIVE OR TAKE, SO HOW MANY HOMES WOULD WE ELIMINATE OUT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE SIMILAR DENSITY? I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT 12 OR 13. AND TO THE DEVELOPER, IF TOOK 12 HOMES OUT OF YOUR SUBDIVISION, WOULD THAT NOT MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK FOR YOU? THAT WOULD NOT WORK FOR IT WOULD NOT TAKE IT TO OUT OF WORK. SO THAT'S ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD DO TO MAKE THEM ALL 60 WIDE. IT'D BE ABOUT ONE OR TWO OUT, BUT TAKE IT ALL OUT DOES NOT WORK. UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S SIMPLE. OKAY. SO IT DOESN'T MATCH JUST DOESN'T FINANCIALLY IT FINANCIALLY DESTROYS THE PROJECT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MR. BURCH. WHAT MR. MCGEE. YEAH. SORRY. I TOOK A BREAK. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, FIRST OF ALL, OUR COMMENTS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD BE THE ONES THAT TELL, UH, THAT SUGGEST TO THE DEVELOPER, HOW MANY TO TAKE OUT. I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO, UH, SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WHERE THEY HAVE MENTIONED THAT THEY MODELED THIS DEVELOPMENT AFTER THE ARTISTS AND WALK. AND THAT CONCERNS ME GREATLY BECAUSE THE HOMES AND ARTISTS AND WALK VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY ARE IN THE OUT. THE VALUE IS DIFFERENT. THE BUILD IS DIFFERENT. UH, AND, AND I, I GUESS I'M CONCERNED THAT THEY DIDN'T MODEL IT AFTER THE OUT, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT FROM THE 42 PAGES, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE INCLUDED ARE IN OUR PACKAGE TODAY, PLUS ALL THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, PROVIDED BY THE RESIDENTS WHEN THEY'VE CALLED, UH, UH, MANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, THAT MAYBE THE FOCUS HAS BEEN ON THE WRONG [01:10:01] DEVELOPMENT IN PLANNING FOR THIS ONE, I'VE HEARD COMMENTS FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONTINUITY, SOMETHING THAT COMPLIMENTS THE OAKS NOT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S ALIEN TO WHAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW. AND IN ORDER TO GET THERE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, UH, A COMMUNITY WITH, UH, MORE COMMON AREAS TO ACCOMMODATE THESE FAMILIES THAT ARE COMING IN WITH THEIR CHILDREN. UM, THEY LIKED TO SEE IT MIMIC MORE OF THE DESIGN OF THE OAKS. UM, AND, UM, ANOTHER ONE I HAD WAS, UH, I AGREE ON THE PHASE BUILDING. UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, STAYING WHERE THAT'S GOING. I'VE HEARD NO DISCUSSING, UH, DISCUSSION ON WHETHER, WHAT KIND OF LIGHTING OR FRONTAGE TO BE PUT ON THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE PUT, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE LIGHTING AT THE ENTRANCES THERE? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE LIGHTING THROUGHOUT, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE POST-FLIGHT. UM, AND THEN WE'VE NOT SEEN ANYTHING THAT, UM, THAT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE SHOWS, THE, UH, SIDEWALKS THAT THEY HAVE AGREED TO INSTALL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OR THE EFFECTS OF THE, UH, LAND IS BEING USED FOR THAT AND THE RESTRUCTURING OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AND WHAT IMPACT THAT WILL HAVE ON DRAINING. SO I, I BELIEVE THAT FROM MY STANDPOINT, THAT REALLY THUMBS UP, UM, WHAT, WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE, AND IF THE DEVELOPER UNDERSTANDS THAT, THEN THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND, AND EDIT THEIR PLAN IF THEY THOUGHT IT AND PUT IN COMMON AREAS AND TO PICK OUT THE NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT AND MAKE THIS MORE, UM, MORE, MORE LIKE THE OATS, IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT LIKE THAT, OR MORE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE OH, AND LIKE PUTTING ANOTHER ARTIST IN WALK RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU. UM, IN ANSWER TO A COUPLE OF THOSE, THE DRAWING ITSELF THAT'S SUBMITTED SHOWS A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT STREET, WHETHER IT WAS FROM THE ORIGINAL ONE, IT WAS GOING TO BE PRIVATE OR PUBLIC. SO THAT DOES NOT GET CHANGED AT ALL. TO ADD A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE THAT'S WITHIN THAT 50 FOOT RIGHT. OF WAY, WHICH IS STANDARD, UM, TYPICAL SECTION. SO THOUGH THAT LINE WORK DOES NOT CHANGE THE LOTS AT ALL BY HAVING SIDEWALKS THERE. UM, ALSO THE HOUSES THEMSELVES THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD COULD BE BUILT WITHIN THE OAKS TODAY BY THE ZONING OF THE OAKS, IF IT FITS ON THE LOT THAT YOU CAN PLOP ONE IN TODAY. SO THE, THE MATERIALS AND THE SIZE, LIKE I SAID, THE SIZE IS LARGER THAN WHAT THE MINIMUMS ARE FOR THE OAKS. UM, SO YOU CAN TAKE EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING AND FIND A LOT THAT HAS THE 40 FOOT REAR YARD, THE TWENTY-FIVE FOOT FRONT, AND PLOP IT IN THERE. AND IT WOULD BE APPROVED BY ZONING. OKAY, SCOTT, BUT THE OTHER PART OF THAT, HAVING COMMON AREAS OR HAVING ROOM FOR THE CHILDREN TO PLAY IS THE WAY THAT HAS BEEN LAID OUT. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE WILL BE CARS PARKED ON THE STREET. KIDS WANT TO PUT A BASKETBALL NET IN THERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FACILITY SOMEWHERE, UM, WHATEVER THIS WITH THE COMMUNITY, ISN'T SAYING, KIDS ARE INVITED, BUT YET THE HOUSE IS BUILT FOR KIDS. SO, AND, AND THE SAFETY OF THE FAMILIES. SO THAT WAS THEIR CONCERN, RESPOND TO THAT. SO WE WANT TO SHOW SOME COMPS HERE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT HOUSE VALUE. UM, AND WE BROUGHT ALONG SOME COMPS. THEN I THINK MY, MY WORDS WERE TAKEN A LITTLE BIT OUT OF CONTEXT THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REBUILD ARTISTS AND WALK IT'S MUCH NEWER THOUGH, AND IT IS ADJACENT WITH A CORNER TOUCHING. SO THAT, THAT KIND OF MADE SENSE. YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ASK THESE OUT, WE'VE GOT COMPS OF RECENT SALES, UM, LIKE LAST TWO-ISH YEARS FROM THE OAKS AND ARTISTS AND WALK AS WELL. UM, AND WE CAN EMAIL THESE OUT. AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT THE HOMES THAT ARE CLOSER TO OURS, THE NEWER HOMES ON THE SMALLER LOTS ARE SELLING FOR MORE AND THE RECENT COMPS, UM, AND A COUPLE OTHER POINTS THERE. WE DO HAVE A COMMON AREA THAT IS GREEN SPACE. [01:15:02] AND I BELIEVE, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THE PICTURE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S MORE THAN WHAT THE OAKS CURRENTLY HAS. I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE MUCH IN A WAY OF GREEN SPACE, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY TO ALL OF THAT. I THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE. WE DO HAVE COMMON AREAS AND THE HOUSE PRICES THAT THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S 15 YEARS OLD IS SELLING FOR LESS THAN THEY WERE DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SO I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY REASONABLE FOR US TO LOOK AT NOT JUST ARTISTS AND WALK. WE LOOKED AT CARRIAGE TRAILS. WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF STUFF IN HUBER HEIGHTS, AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE DEVELOPMENT. I MENTIONED LAST TIME, THE EPCON DEVELOPMENT, UM, TO COME UP WITH THIS PLAN, IT'S NOT TRYING TO RECREATE OUR SUNBLOCK, BUT I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY REASONABLE TO LOOK AT THAT. THE PROXIMITY. YEAH, THAT'S IT. OUR, SO WALK ONE HOUSE. SO ABOUT ONE MONTH AGO, IT IS TWO, $273,000. AND WE HAVE COMPARISON WITH THE OLDEST, THE COMPARISON, AND THEY ARE THE PRICES AND LOWER EXTRA DAYS. AND OUR SON WALKS THIS ONE. NOW THIS IS A NEW SALE AND WALK. THE OTHER ONES WERE A COUPLE WHO BOUGHT IT AND SOLD IT. THAT ONE WASN'T PAUSED STRAIGHT FROM THE BUILDER. AND IT SOLD FOR CONSIDERABLY HIGHER. LIKE IT WAS 200 $6,300 EQUIVALENT SIZE, AND THE OAKS ARE JUST NOT, NOT SELLING MUCH. SO THAT'S HOW WE WOULD RESPOND TO ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE ABOUT PROPERTY VALUE. AND THIS IS FACT OF WHAT THEY'RE SELLING FOR RIGHT NOW. WHAT ABOUT THE HOUSE FOR THEN THAT THEY WERE TELLING? SO THE OAKS, I HAVE EXAMPLE OVER HERE IS THE 61 53 WHITE OPIOID DATA OHIO. SO THIS HOUSE, SO THE AUGUST WHEN THEY FIRST 2019 AND PRICE, SO IS 219 AND $900. MA'AM THEY'RE SELLING NOW, WHY DIDN'T YOU GET A CURRENT PRICE? EMBARRASS THEM. THERE'S NO HOUSE. SO EXTRA. IT WAS THIS WRONG. YEAH, WE, WE HAVE MORE HOUSES. SO THOUGH IN OUR, SOME WALK RECENTLY THAN, OH, THAT'S WHY THIS IS ACCOUNT. SO WE GOT THERESA MAY. OKAY. SO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING INTO AN AREA WHERE WE'RE TALKING A LOT MORE DETAILED THAN WE, THAN WE NEED TO AT THIS POINT. I THINK THE, I MEAN, LOOK, SO TH TH THE RISK ASSESSMENT ON THIS AS WITH ANY BUSINESSES WITH ANY DEVELOPER IS IT'S YOUR MONEY. YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT LEVEL OF RISK YOU'RE GOING TO PUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND THE TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD AND SELL OR RENT TO SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, THEY, YEAH, I'M TRYING TO BE AS OBJECTIVE ABOUT THIS AS I CAN. YOU HAVE A TARGET MARKET THAT YOU'RE AFTER, WHEN IT COMES SO DENSITY TO ME ON HOW IT AFFECTS PROPERTY VALUES OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND THEM MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, BECAUSE THAT'S A LEGITIMATE DISCUSSION, HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT KIDS ARE GOING TO WANT TO PLAY. THERE IS NOT A LEGITIMATE DISCUSSION BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT BE TARGETING FAMILIES WITH KIDS. WE DON'T, AND THAT'S NOT OUR DECISION TO MAKE THAT THAT'S YOUR DECISION TO MAKE AS WHAT LEVEL OF RISK YOUR ASSESSING, WHAT RESEARCH YOU'VE DONE THAT SAYS THIS TYPE OF A PROJECT WILL WORK, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO RENT THEM TO PEOPLE AT X AMOUNT OF PRICE. SO I, I I'M, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO ALL THOSE OTHER DETAILS AT THIS POINT, THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE THE REAL ISSUE OF THE ZONING. AND I THINK THE ZONING AND THE DENSITY ISSUE IS VERY LEGITIMATE, BUT KIDS PLACE SPACES AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T LIVE THERE, CAN'T SAY, WELL, I DON'T LIKE IT. WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE THERE. YOU, YOU LIVE SOMEPLACE ELSE. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT SOMEBODY ELSE COMING IN MIGHT NOT WANT TO LIVE THERE. SO, UM, SO AGAIN, I, I SEE BOTH SIDES. I UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT TRYING TO BE OBJECTIVE, I THINK WE'RE GETTING OUTSIDE THE REALM OF WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HERE TONIGHT. SO I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT IS I THINK THIS PROBABLY DOES NEED TO MOVE TO [01:20:01] A PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK PEOPLE WHO DO HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THIS NEED TO HAVE A FORUM WHERE THEY CAN COME VOICE THEIR OBJECTIONS, PEOPLE WHO ARE FOR THIS, UH, I'VE SEEN SOME COMMENTARY. PEOPLE DID LIKE IT, UM, COULD COME AND SPEAK FOR IT. YOU CAN SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF AGAIN AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN I THINK AT THAT POINT, THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT AND DECIDE AFTER HEARING PUBLIC COMMENTARY, DOES THIS NEED TO GO BACK TO A WORK SESSION? LIKE WE ARE NOW AND DISCUSS SOME OF THAT COMMENTARY AGAIN, OR CERTAINLY THEN MOVE OR MOVE ON TO A SECOND, A SECOND READING WHERE THE VOTE WOULD TAKE PLACE SO THAT I WOULD, THAT'D BE MY RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT IS THAT THIS MOVES TO A PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONDAY, WHERE WE CAN HAVE SOME OTHER OPEN DISCUSSION FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SHOW UP AND DISCUSSING AND TALKING ABOUT IT. THAT'S THE, THAT IS OUR POINT OF VIEW OF A PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN COUNCIL CAN MAKE THE DECISION ON, ON WHERE TO MOVE THIS PROJECT AFTER THOSE COMMENTS ARE MADE. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT FAIR TO ASSUME THAT ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL CAN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE THINKING. THAT'S WHAT THESE COUNCIL MEMBERS JOBS ARE AND TRYING TO BECOME, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE A BUSINESS FRIENDLY COMMUNITY, UNDERSTANDS THE DEVELOPERS. AND, AND WE DO WANT TO GROW. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GROWING, RIGHT. WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS. WE'RE GROWING IN THE RIGHT AREAS. SO, SO ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BY THIS COUNCIL, I BELIEVE. AND I BELIEVE ULTIMATELY THEY WILL. SO, UM, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE US MOVE ON TO A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE, AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY. HEARING NO OBJECTIONS. WE'LL MOVE THIS ON TO A PUBLIC HEARING. YES. HERE'S YOUR LINES. OH, THANK YOU. UH, I DID HAVE MY HAND UP, BUT IT WAS A LITTLE LATE, UM, WITH ALL OF THE ISSUES DEALING WITH, UH, DENSITY. UH, I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD A DIRECTION FOR THE DEVELOPER, SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS AT THIS MOVING FORWARD AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS, MRS. BAKER? WERE YOU MARRIED? THANK YOU. I ASKED HIM HOW MANY HAND UP, UM, I THOUGHT IN OUR PREVIOUS WORK SESSION, THE DEVELOPER, AND MAYBE MR. GREENHOUSE, YOU BROUGHT THIS UP, BUT THEY'D BE RENTALS. YES. THEY'RE BEING, THEY'RE BEING BUILT TO, TO BE RENTED WELL IN THE DAYTON DAILY NEWS THAT SAID THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOLD. SO CAN WE CLARIFY THAT THOUGH? WHAT'S WRONG. SHE TALKED TO ME FOR LIKE TWO MINUTES AND SHE CALL IT THE CAUSE, EVEN THOUGH WE TOLD HER THE NAME, WHAT IS IT? 10 TIMES ARE NOT, WERE NOT FOLKS. NONE OF US HAVE EVER BEEN MISQUOTED IN THE DAY TO DAY THE DISHES. THAT'S NOT, SHE WANTS TO COME. THEY WILL BE RENTAL. YES. THEY'RE BEING, THEY'RE BEING BUILT TO, TO SERVE, TO SERVE AS RENTAL PROPERTIES. YES. THEY WILL OWN ALL OF THEM. THEY WILL RENT THEM. THEY WILL BE MAKING THE DECISIONS ON WHO'S LIVING THERE. SO NOT ONLY ARE THEY A DEVELOPER, YOU'RE MAINTAINING THEM AS THE PROPERTY MANAGERS. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT? YEAH. WE, WE WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE ANYONE ELSE. SO, I MEAN, WE'VE KIND OF GATHERED, NOBODY BELIEVES WE'RE GOING AROUND. I DON'T KNOW. LIKE THEY THINK WE'RE GOING TO SELL THEM LATER AND SOMETHING SOMETHING'S GONNA, BAD'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE WANT TO JUST BE TREATED LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, WHETHER WE GO IN, CAUSE YOU CAN RENT HOUSES IN THE OAKS TOO. LIKE IF WE DIDN'T EVEN MENTION THAT WE COULD HAVE RENTED THEM LATER, WE COULD HAVE JUST SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO BE OPEN WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. SO YEAH, THE PLAN IS TO WRAP IT AND THE PLAN IS TO KEEP IT NICE. UM, AND YEAH, LIKE WE JUST WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. WE WANT A FAIR SHAKE. WE'RE WE'RE CURIOUS IF, CAUSE I KNOW THAT OURS AND WALKING SO CLOSE. I'M CURIOUS IF THE DENSITY THING CAME UP, GIVEN THAT THERE'S A CORNER ADJACENT ON THAT PROPERTY, HOW WAS THAT TREATED? LIKE WE'RE NOT RYAN HOMES HERE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED THE SAME WAY. THAT'S ALL WE'RE REALLY HOPING FOR HERE. MR. WEBB. UM, I DO WANT TO JUST REITERATE WHAT YOU SAID. WE ARE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A MAJOR CHANGE, BASIC, UM, DEVELOPMENT. AND AS SUCH, I AM QUESTIONING SCOTT. I DON'T SEE ELEVATIONS ON HERE AT ALL, WHICH WOULD GIVE ME A CLUE AS TO HOW THE APPLICANT PLANS TO HANDLE RUNOFF. AND I DON'T SEE A DRAWING BEFORE ME WITH SIDEWALK WOULD BE PART OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. [01:25:01] AND SO BECAUSE OF THE, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE WHAT IT IS THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING AND BECAUSE SO MANY THINGS ARE GOING TO BE TEXT AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE NORMALLY SEE AT THIS STAGE. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE SEE A PLANT OR A, THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND. I DIDN'T POP OFFICES, THE RUNOFF THAT ENCOMPASSES THE SIDEWALKS. UH, AND IF THE LOTS ARE RESIZED THAT ENCOMPASSES A LAYOUT SLOT, THERE IS A DRAWING IN THERE THAT DOES SHOW WHERE THE DETENTION BASIN IS AS YOU ENTER FROM BELL FOUNTAIN. THE FIRST LOT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE, UH, DETENTION LOCKED. UM, AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, SIDEWALK WILL BE WITHIN THE TYPICAL SECTION WITHIN THAT 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS. AND THIS IS JUST THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT, THE FURTHER DETAILS, UM, OF EXACT SLOPES AND EVERYTHING WOULD BE A PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IF I MAY MAYOR YES. AT THE LAST MEETING, WE WERE TOLD THAT IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY THAT, UM, THERE, THE DRIVEWAYS WERE A CERTAIN LANE AND NOW WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT A SIDEWALK CAN IN FACT BE PUT IN WITHOUT COMPROMISING THAT DRIVEWAY LANE. UM, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THIS TIME. AND SCOTT, OF COURSE I SAID YOUR RETENTION BASED ON, ON THERE, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING TO GIVE ME ANY INDICATION WHETHER THE WATER FLOW IS GOING TO BE BETWEEN THE UNITS, JUST THE BACK AND DOWN TO THE RETENTION BASIN OR WHETHER IT WILL BE STORM, UH, CULVERTS THAT LEAD TO THE RETENTION BASIN FROM THE STREET. UM, AGAIN, IT'S LACKING IN A LOT OF DETAIL THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT A BASIC DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. YEAH. MR. MCCASKEY, THAT'S TYPICALLY NOT THE LEVEL OF DETAIL ON A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. UM, BUT THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY, SCOTT, IF I MAY, IT MAY NOT BE A TYPICAL LEVEL OF DETAIL, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BACKYARDS OF RESIDENTS IN THE OAKS WHO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT STORM WATER IS GOING TO BE GOING DOWN A SWALE IN THEIR BACKYARD FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT MOUND OR WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE DIRECTED OUT OF THE STREET DOWN TO THE RETENTION BASIN. THERE ARE LITERALLY A DOZEN OTHER CONCERNS RESIDENTS HAVE BROUGHT UP. UH, I WANT YOU TO ADDRESS THOSE INDIVIDUALLY, BUT THOSE TWO POP OUT, MAYBE THERE ARE NO ELEVATIONS ON THIS DRAWING TO GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO MOVE EARTH AND WHERE ARE THERE GOING TO SUMMER WATER AND WE'RE THROWING IN SIDEWALKS. YOU RECALCULATE THE RETENTION BITS FOR THE NEW IMPERVIOUS AREA. GO AHEAD, SCOTT. OKAY. UM, THERE IS, UM, LANDSCAPE MOUNDS THAT THE REARS OF THOSE LOTS. SO THE DRAINAGE WOULD BE ON THE HOW SIDE OF A LANDSCAPE MOUNT AND THAT'S WHERE DRAINAGE WILL FLOW. THAT CURRENTLY FLOWS FROM WEST TO EAST THAT GOES THROUGH THE REAR YARD, SAYS WHAT'S DISCUSSED. AND WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING AS WELL. THAT THERE'S A, THAT BASICALLY ACTS AS A SWALE IN THOSE RARE YARDS, THAT MOUNTAIN WILL BLOCK ALL OF THAT WATER FROM GOING INTO THOSE RARE YARDS. SO IT WILL BE CAUGHT BEFORE IT GETS TO THE NEIGHBORING YARDS AND DIRECTED TO THE DETENTION BASIN AND FINAL CALCULATIONS FOR A DETENTION BASIN TYPICALLY COMES AT THE DETAILED PLAN FACE, MRS. BERG. I'M NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH THIS. UM, I AGREE WITH MR. WEBB THAT I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO ACCEPT A LOT OF UNKNOWNS. UM, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, ABOUT A QUESTION OR CONCERN HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND, AND I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE READY TO GO FORWARD, BUT WITH A PUBLIC MEETING WITH SO MANY UNKNOWNS, WELL, I THINK THIS WOULD CERTAINLY REQUIRE TWO READINGS, THE FIRST READING, AND THEN BEING THE PUBLIC HEARING THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS TO GIVE PEOPLE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY COME FORWARD AND SPEAK PUBLICLY ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS IN A PUBLIC HEARING. WE MIGHT NOT JUST HAVE ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH WAY, BUT THERE MAY BE SEVERAL HOMEOWNERS [01:30:01] WHO WOULD WANT TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING. AND THERE WOULD BE HOMEOWNERS THAT WOULD WANT TO COME AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF IT. SO MY, MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE AT LEAST GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SO WE CAN HEAR THAT PUBLIC DISCOURSE OR, OR PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED. SO THEN COUNCIL CAN MAKE A DECISION ONCE THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS DONE, ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAPPENS, COUNCIL CAN DECIDE WHETHER IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING BEFORE IT GOES TO A SECOND READING. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. OKAY. NOW HOLD ON, HOLD ON. I SEE SCOTT THAT CORRECT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL COULD DECIDE, WE NEED TO TAKE US BACK TO A WORK SESSION AFTER WE'VE HEARD PUBLIC COMMENTARY TO WORK SESSION. YES. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SO SORRY IF I MISSED IF I MISSTATE IT. SO AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL MEETING, IF THERE NOW NEW CONCERNS ARISE, WHICH THERE MIGHT BE, AND THERE MIGHT NOT BE, BUT ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAPPENS, COUNCIL HAS THE DISCRETION TO SAY THIS, ISN'T GOING TO GO TO A SECOND READING YET. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS BACK TO A WORK SESSION SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TO IRON OUT THOSE DETAILS THAT CAME UP IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT THAT WAS MY POINT OF VIEW FOR RECOMMENDING THIS TO A PUBLIC HEARING MAINLY. SO WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR MORE PUBLIC INPUT, TO DETERMINE IF IT NEEDS A WORK SESSION AGAIN, OR IF IT GOES TO A SECOND READING AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD BE, HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION. AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE GET TO SEE ANY DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS FROM THE DEVELOPER AT THE PUBLIC MEETING. SCOTT, WHEN I ANSWERED THAT OR W HOW WELL, SO WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT IS WE'VE, THE QUESTION HAS MAINLY HAS BEEN DENSITY. THE TWO QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED FROM THE LAST MEETING THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD TO THIS MEETING WAS, ARE WE GOING TO GO TO PRIVATE OR PUBLIC STREETS VERSUS PRIVATE STREETS? AND ARE WE GOING TO ADD THE SIDEWALK AND THE ISSUE OF THE MOUNDING AND THE LANDSCAPE AND THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT OF THE MOUNDING BEHIND PROPERTY? SO THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWO ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD OUT OF THE LAST WORK SESSION TO BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT. NOW, CERTAINLY THROUGH PUBLIC EMAIL AND CONVERSATIONS, WE CAN HAVE ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT, THAT WE WANT, BUT IT'S MY OPINION. WE'RE AT THE LEVEL OF MOVING TO A PUBLIC HEARING. SO THE PUBLIC CAN BE HEARD. AND THEN COUNCIL HAS A DECISION TO EITHER GO BACK TO A WORK SESSION OR MOVE IT TO A SECOND READING. NOBODY HAS TALKED ABOUT WAIVING THE SECOND READING. WE HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE FULLY VETTED THROUGH THE FULL PROCESS TO FOUR READINGS. YOU GUYS HAVE THE DISCRETION AND HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE COULDN'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO GET PUBLIC COMMENTARY AT A PUBLIC MEETING TO FURTHER DISCUSS THIS. THAT WAS MY RECOMMEND. THAT'S WHY I MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. MR. SHAW, THANK YOU, MIRROR. UM, I, I DO AGREE THAT THIS NEEDS TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOT ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 CONCERNS THAT STILL REMAIN, UM, UNRESOLVED, AND, UH, AND MAYBE IF NO PHOTO COULD FALL OUT OF YOUR OWN, UM, I JUST NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH. UM, ADDITIONALLY, I'M NOT SAYING I HAVE MY MINDSET, UM, BUT, UH, I AM VERY CONFIDENT THAT, UH, YOU'LL GO AND REVIEW SOME OF THOSE CORRESPONDENCE AND MAYBE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CORRESPONDENCE, AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO MAYBE BENEFICIAL SUGGESTED. UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT WOULD BE HEALTHY FOR THIS, UH, COMMUNITY, THE FOLKS OF THE HOA, UH, TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, ANSWERED, RESOLVED LINE BY LINE, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. UM, I MEAN, AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, DOES WANT TO GROW SUCCESSFULLY SMART. UM, BUT AT THE SAME POINT IN TIME, WHEN, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 27 AND 30 RESIDENTS COMING AT ME OVER ONE CONCERN, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND. AND IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, FOUR YEARS, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY BIG. THAT MEANS WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE. UM, I'M SORRY, WAS THAT ONE CONCERN? OH, THAT ONE CONCERN WAS DENSITY AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, UM, DIDN'T TAKE PLACE. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THIS. I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHEN THAT MANY RESIDENTS DRAW THE CONCERN OF, YOU KNOW, ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THIS COMMUNITY, WELL, WE HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THINGS AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. UM, ONE OF MY BIGGEST THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO ANY RESEARCH ON ME IS, WELL, I LIKE TO DO MY RESEARCH, UM, WHEN 27 RESIDENTS EMAIL ME OR WHEN I GET CORRESPONDENCE FROM 27 RESIDENTS OR THE HOA PRESIDENT OR FOLKS THAT MR. OTTO AND THE MAYOR SPOKEN WITH, UM, THEN YEAH, I'M GOING TO REACH OUT TO THEM DIRECTLY AND I'M GOING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT THEIR PROBLEMS ARE. UM, AS THE MAYOR ALLUDED TO SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS, I WAS ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, [01:35:02] THE HANDLE WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO SET SOME OF THE RECORDS STRAIGHT. SOME OF THOSE, I, I COULDN'T, UM, AS THE MAYOR ALLUDED TO, I THINK A COUPLE OF THE BIG ISSUES IS DENSITY HOME VALUES. AND OVERALL JUST CONCERNS THAT, I MEAN, AGAIN, PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT RENTALS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT AGAIN, AND PLEASE ALLOW ME TO FINISH. THAT'S JUST THE CONCERNS OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS. I'M NOT SAYING THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. I'M JUST SIMPLY SHARING THOSE WITH YOU, UM, TO, TO HOPEFULLY, UM, YOU KNOW, DRAW SOME CONCLUSION AND, AND SO WE CAN GET TO A PUBLIC HEARING, MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, MR. MURRAY. THAT'S ALL I GOT YOUR REPLY, PLEASE. YES. REAL QUICK. UH, CAN YOU JUST RAISE THE QUESTION AND YOU MENTIONED THE, OR RENTALS. UM, I KNOW THE CITY WAS PLANNING RENTALS AT THAT, THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT SLIGHTLY TO THE WEST. UM, W WAS THERE ANY ANALYSIS THERE IN TERMS OF LIKE GUIDANCE, MAYBE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, PIGGYBACK ON IN TERMS OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE LIBRARY, THE PLANT SHOWED SOME WHAT LOOKED TO BE KIND OF HIGH DENSITY RENTALS IN THAT AREA. SO THOSE RENDERINGS WERE CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS SHORT, SO THERE'S NO SPECIFIC DEVELOPER, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC, UM, UNITS. THERE'S NO SPECIFIC NUMBER OF UNITS. I MEAN, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SHOWED A MIXTURE, UH, CONCEPT OF MULTI-FAMILY SOME SINGLE FAMILY JUST IN THERE TOGETHER. SO, I MEAN, THERE'S NOBODY I CAN SAY, HEY, GO TALK TO THIS. THAT'S JUST THE RESEARCH THAT THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN SOMETHING. YEAH. MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY, UM, UH, IT'D BE PROBABLY BENEFICIAL TO POINT THEM IN THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION STUDY WHERE RENTALS WAS DISCUSSED IN THERE AND THE AMOUNT AND PERCENTAGE OF RENTALS THAT WE DO HAVE AN OVERALL COMMUNITY. ALSO THE DAYTON AREA BOARD OF REALTORS WOULD BE ONE FOR YOU TO DO A LITTLE IN DEPTH REVIEW AND RESEARCH WITH AS WELL. IF THAT'S A PARTICULAR TOPIC THAT YOU'RE LOOKING INTO, AGAIN, I'M JUST PUTTING YOU ON THAT DIRECTION. NOT SAYING THAT'S AN ISSUE OF MINE CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE'S BROUGHT UP, BUT SINCE YOU REBUTTALED THE QUESTION BACK TO ME AS THE MERIT STATED THOSE WERE CONCEPTIONAL DRAWINGS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT RENTAL PROPERTIES ARE GOING IN THERE THAT HASN'T BEEN THROUGH A PLANNING COMMISSION OR ANYTHING ELSE OF THAT NATURE, BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, HOPEFULLY THAT CAN DRAW SOME CONCLUSION TO YOUR QUESTION. YOU SAID RE GRANT PIKE REVITALIZATION STUDY. WHAT'S THE NAME OF IT? YES. OKAY. AND JUST ONE, ONE MORE QUESTION REAL QUICK, AND THEN I'LL SHUT UP HERE. UM, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT WITH SCOTT ABOUT THE, LIKE THE POSSIBILITY OF GOING STRAIGHT ZONED INSTEAD OF A PUD. UM, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A SEPARATE PIECE OF LAND AND WE'VE KIND OF BEEN GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR GOING STRAIGHT DOWN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, MIGHT THAT SIMPLIFY THINGS, BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE A LOT OF LIKE THE DISCUSSION IS BRANCHING OFF EVERY WHICH WAY AT THE END OF THE MEETINGS. AND THAT MIGHT BE A SIMPLER WAY IF WE COULD MAKE JUST A FEW CHANGES THAT GO, UH, STRAIGHT ZONED, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WOULD THAT SIMPLIFY? YEAH. I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO HAVE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH SCOTT IN REGARDS TO WHAT THAT WOULD, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN TO THE OVERALL, YOU KNOW, TO THE OVERALL PLAN. BUT I THINK I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I WOULD LIKE TO, SO JUST AT THIS POINT, WHAT IS IT THAT COUNSEL IS REQUESTING? WHAT WOULD THE COUNCIL NEED TO SEE FROM THE DEVELOPER TO BE OKAY, THAT SCOTT, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO PREPARE PRIOR TO A PUBLIC HEARING? BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THAT A POLICY IN PUBLIC HEARINGS HAPPEN WHERE THE DEVELOPERS AND RESIDENTS TALK AND I'VE SEEN THOSE ISSUES GET IRONED OUT RIGHT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING WHERE QUESTIONS HAVE HAPPENED. AND THEN THE RESIDENTS HAD, THEY GOT THEIR ANSWERS QUESTION, UH, THEIR QUESTIONS TO ANSWER AND, AND LEFT HAPPY. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT SAME THING WOULDN'T HAPPEN HERE IN, IN THE OPPORTUNITY OF A PUBLIC HEARING WHEN THAT HAPPENED, BUT WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A REALISTIC TIMEFRAME OF WHAT COUNCIL'S ASKING FOR TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH A PUBLIC HEARING AND WHETHER OR NOT SCOTT AND THE DEVELOPER CAN WORK BETWEEN NOW AND MONDAY TO PRODUCE THAT IF THAT'S NOT A REALISTIC TIMEFRAME OF WHAT CAN BE PREPARED BY TUESDAY BY MONDAY, THEN I WOULD AGREE. WE NEED TO GO TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION BEFORE WE GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL IS ASKING FOR WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRING BY A MAJORITY TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH A PUBLIC HEARING, TO START THE PUBLIC COMMENTARY, MS. RADHA. SO I'LL KEEP [01:40:01] MY COMMENTS PRETTY BRIEF AND GET DIRECT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE CATCHING A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF ALL AT ONCE, BUT I THINK AGAIN, LIKE I STATED EARLIER IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS IN THE AREA, THERE WERE A LOT OF SMALL ISSUES, BUT I THINK THOSE COULD BE WORKED OUT MENTALLY. I MEAN, IT'S AN ACCEPTANCE ISSUE IN A LOT OF CASES, WHEN IT COMES TO RENTALS, I COULD THROW A BASEBALL TO FOUR HOUSES FROM MY FRONT PORCH THAT ARE RENTALS. SO, AND IT'S IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, TWO VALUES. I THINK WE'LL FIND THAT THESE VALUES WILL MATCH. AND WITH THE RENTS, THE WAY THEY ARE, IT'S GOING TO BE AN EXCLUSIVE PRODUCT. AGAIN, IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT DENSITY'S THE KEY HERE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO MATCH THE DENSITY IN THE OAKS, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO FEEL THE PRODUCT, UM, MORE, UH, I DUNNO WHAT COMPLEMENTS THEIR CURRENT HOMES THAN STANDS IN CONTRAST TO IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE AND THEN LOT SIZES AND WHATNOT. SO THIS COUNCILMAN'S OPINION DENSITY'S KEY RIGHT NOW. AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE GOT TO GO ALL THE WAY AGAIN. I LIKE THE MAYOR SAID A COMPROMISE IS WHERE WE NEED TO BE. UM, I THINK, AND I THINK DENSITY IS WHERE WE NEED TO DO IT TO REALLY GET A GOOD PRODUCT. MR. WEBB, THANK YOU MIRROR. IN FAIRNESS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE GROUNDWORK DONE HERE BEFORE THEY PRESENT THIS TO CARE. THE APPLICANT IS BEING ASKED TO COME BACK TO A MEETING AFTER MEETING TO PRESENT WHATEVER CHANGES I FULLY EXPECT IT TONIGHT, SEE A SIDEWALK, AT LEAST A LINE DRAWN AROUND A PLAN SHOWING ME WHICH SIDE OF THE STREET THE SIDEWALK WAS GOING TO GO ON AND HOW THAT WOULD CONNECT. SO I THINK THE I'M TRYING TO BE THE APPLICANT AS WE CAN, IF MOVING TO A PUBLIC HEARING IS ONLY GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO THE APP, SPENDING THE NEXT TWO MEETINGS, LISTENING TO AND ADJUSTING TO DIFFERENT COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE AT THE MEETINGS. THEN LET'S GET THE APP AS MUCH NOW SO THAT THEY CAN COME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT WE CAN ALL GET BEHIND. AND THAT WILL BE MY FINAL COMMENT FOR TONIGHT. THANK YOU. SO SCOTT, SO, SO YOU'VE HEARD WHAT WE'VE HEARD. EVERYBODY'S COMMENTARY THIS EVENING, UH, FROM A, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE AND FROM THE APPLICANT'S PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WOULD THE RECOMMENDED NEXT STEP BE STAFF RECOMMENDING A PUBLIC HEARING OR STAFF RECOMMENDING THAT WE GO BACK TO A WORK SESSION THAT GIVES THE APPLICANT AND STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT TOGETHER, TO PUT TOGETHER ANOTHER PLAN? OR ARE YOU SAYING, NO, THIS IS OUR PLAN. I MEAN, WE DIDN'T, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT SO WE KNOW HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. WELL, I'LL BE HONEST, I'M NOT IN A PLACE TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, WHETHER THEY'D LIKE TO SEE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IF, UH, A LINE FOR A SIDEWALK CAN BE DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE NIGHT, UM, AND THE DENSITY QUESTION, THAT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT. WE COULD CERTAINLY GET THE LINE ON THERE FOR THE SIDEWALK. UM, THE DENSITY, LIKE WE NEED SOMETHING CONCRETE OF WHAT TO DO. I'M TELLING YOU IT, WELL, LOTS WILL NOT WORK FINANCIALLY ALL THE TIME, TOO. UM, AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE WAY BEYOND WHAT IS NEW STUFF IN THE AREA, BUT WE ARE A LITTLE FLEXIBLE THERE. I, I, I WOULD JUMP IN AND HELP AUGMENT SCOTT'S ANSWER IN THE SENSE THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ASKING TO BE FAIR TO THE APPLICANT AS MR. WEBB INDICATED. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE TONIGHT KNOWING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, THE PROCESS WOULD BE. I LIKE TO FALL BACK TO A PROCESS AND ALLOW THE PROCESS TO WORK THROUGH, TO, TO COME UP WITH THE RESOLUTION. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF THIS IS THE TIME AND THAT THE APPLICANT IS PREPARED TO ENDURE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO GET THAT INFORMATION, WHAT ELSE ARE THEY GOING TO GO BY? UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY OR WE, OR ANYBODY HAS ANY CERTAIN DIRECTION RIGHT NOW, OTHER THAN PUT IT UP TO A VOTE AND SEE WHETHER YOU'LL PASS IT OR NOT. AND IN ORDER TO GET THERE, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF THE APPLICANT IS PREPARED AND IF IT HAS BEEN NOTICED, AND IF IT FALLS WITHIN THE PROCESS THAT'S ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE ORDINANCES OF THE CITY, THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING. BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IS IS IF A PENDING FACTOR TO DETERMINE WHAT DIRECTION THIS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVE FORWARD, IT'S GOING TO BE NECESSARY TO GET THAT INFORMATION [01:45:01] THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, WITHOUT THAT I THINK THAT YOU ARE SITTING AT A STALEMATE WITH THEM, NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DO, US NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DO, AND QUITE FRANKLY, YOU NOT HAVING THE RIGHT INFORMATION TO DELIBERATE AND MAKE A DECISION. SO IF THAT'S HELPFUL, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDED. YEAH. THANK YOU, ROB, BECAUSE I THINK IN WHAT I'VE HEARD IS, YOU KNOW, NINE DIFFERENT PEOPLE PROBABLY GIVE SEVEN DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE APPLICANT. UM, YES. MR. CAMPBELL, SCOTT, VAL KOSKI, IS IT PERMITTED FOR YOU TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT BETWEEN NOW AND THE DATE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING? SURE. OKAY. I THINK, UH, MR. OTTO HIT ON WHAT THE MAJOR ISSUE IS, AND IT IS DENSITY. AND I DON'T THINK I HEARD MR. OTTO SAY, YOU NEED TO CUT OUT 12 HOMES, BUT YOU NEED TO CUT OUT SOME HOMES. SO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER MAXIMUM CAN BE. AND I WOULD WORK WITH SCOTT BOUND KOSKI, AND I WOULD COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER AND I'D BE READY AT THE PUBLIC HEARING TO EXPLAIN THAT TO THE PUBLIC. YOU KNOW, I HEARD A LOT OF FOLKS TONIGHT THAT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THIS, SAY THEY'RE NOT THERE. SO, UM, FOR THE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE DAYAS, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COMPROMISE. AND I THINK THE NUMBER ONE COMPROMISE FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS DENSITY. WE CAN COMPROMISE SOME OF DENSITY. OKAY. SO, SO ARE YOU PREPARED, SO WILL YOU BE PREPARED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WITH WORKING WITH SCOTT OVER THE COURSE OF THIS WEEK FOR MONDAY? IS THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU IN A POSITION THAT YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE OR TO DO SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT PREPARED FOR, BUT IF YOU ARE, THEN THAT'S STUCK IN MY RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD. IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING VIA TEXT THAT WE ARE COMFORTABLE, IF WE HAVE TO REDRAW THE ENTIRE THING WITH AN ENGINEERED DRAWING IT, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET IT DONE. I CAN GET THE SIDEWALK ON THERE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AS GOOD AS MR. CAMPBELL SCOTT OUT KOSKI. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN HANDLE FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, PREPARED FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ILLUSTRATE THE REDUCTION IN THE DENSITY, CORRECT. WITHOUT AN ENGINEER GOING. YES. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THAT I WILL SPEAK WITH THEM TOMORROW. AND IF SOMEWHERE DURING THIS PROCESS OF ME SPEAKING WITH THEM, THAT WE RUN INTO SOME HICCUPS, THEN WE'LL REQUEST THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING BE CANCELED. IT ALSO NOTE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE READING OF THE ORDINANCE THE SAME NIGHT AS THE PUBLIC HEARING. RIGHT. SO IF, IF WE NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION, I THINK IT'S JUST, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS TO THE, SORRY, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS TO THE APPLICANT, I THINK IT'S CRUCIAL TO HEAR FROM THAT PUBLIC HEARING STEP IN THE PROCESS, WE CAN ALWAYS NOT DO THE ORDINANCE AS WELL. THE NEXT TIME, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE DRAWINGS OR SOMETHING, THOSE COULD STILL BE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YEAH. SO I THINK THE KEY IS THAT THIS COUNCIL STILL HAS JUST BECAUSE DO A PUBLIC HEARING DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE OPTIONS FOR THIS COUNCIL AS BEING REMOVED, I THINK IT OPENS UP MORE OPTIONS ONCE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, SO AFTER HEARING FROM, FROM SCOTT, MS. REV, YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT. SO AFTER HEARING FROM SCOTT, YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT HEARING, WHAT I'M HEARING, I WOULD, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION IS STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR MONDAY. UH, AND I, I KNOW WE'VE HAD TO OBJECT AND NOT COME MOVING FORWARD, BUT, UH, AS WE DO ON EVERYTHING AND IT WORKS SESSION TO MOVE TO A COUNCIL MEETING, UH, I WOULD NEED TO SEE A MAJORITY OBJECTION, UM, TO NOT MOVE THIS FORWARD. IF THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY OF FIVE OBJECTION TO MOVING FORWARD, THEN WE WOULD MOVE THIS TO A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY. SO, UH, ARE THERE OBJECTIONS AND IF SO, HOW MANY MR. LYONS? UH, YES, MAYOR, UH, LET ME JUST RECAP EXACTLY WHAT I'M AGREEING OR NOT AGREEING TO, UM, YOUR SUGGESTION MOVING FORWARD FROM THIS WILL BE A HEARING ONLY AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, AND THERE WILL NOT BE A FIRST READING OR WILL THERE BE A FIRST READING? I THINK THAT'S STILL TO BE DECIDED THEN I GUESS, IS THAT, UM, OKAY. UM, YEAH, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. LET ME CLARIFY HERE. FIRST REASON I CAN AGREE TO THIS, MR. SHELL AT THIS TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, IN DISCUSSION, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, UH, CITY MANAGER'S COMMENTS OCCURRED TO ME THAT WE CAN HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH I AM PROPOSING, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH. WE CAN HAVE A FIRST READING OF THAT ORDINANCE AND NOTHING SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO READINGS OR THREE [01:50:01] RATINGS GO BACK TO, TO A CITY WORK SESSION OR FIVE OR SIX, NOTHING IN OUR CHARTER STATES THAT WE CAN ONLY HAVE JUST TWO. WE CAN HAVE AS MANY AS WE WANT, BUT AT THE SAME POINT IN TIME, I THINK FOR, FROM THE PUBLIC'S PERSPECTIVE, WE NEED TO HAVE THIS NOTICE AND PUBLIC AND MOVE FORWARD. FOR THE DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE, WE NEED TO HAVE THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO THEM THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING, THROUGH THE ORDINANCE BEING READ AND MOVE FORWARD. YEAH. SO MR. LYONS, IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UM, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS WE CAN'T HAVE MULTIPLE BREEDINGS AFTER THE PUBLIC HERE. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD MY DECISION. OKAY. THERE'S GOING TO BE A FIRST READING. UM, I'M NOT SUPPORTING THIS AT THIS TIME DUE TO THE LACK OF AGREEMENT ON THE DENSITY, K SPECIAL OBJECTS MOVING FORWARD. ARE THERE ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS? OKAY. HEARING NONE. WE'LL MOVE THIS TO A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE MONDAY MEETING. AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, COUNCIL CAN DECIDE, UH, THE DIRECTION THEY WANT TO MOVE AFTER, UH, AFTER THE PUBLIC HERE. APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. THANK YOU. I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS A PROCESS, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING BACK AND BEING INVOLVED IN TRYING TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. I KNOW THIS ISN'T EASY, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. FOR CLARIFICATION WORLD, THERE'D BE A FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE. YES, WE WILL HAVE A FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE AND THEN COUNCIL CAN DECIDE ON A SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH OR FIFTH. OKAY. THANK YOU. [ Request For Proposals - Comprehensive Plan] NEXT UP AS ITEM 3G REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MR. SHARMA, OR MR. FLIP IT OVER TO SCOTT, HE'S GOT IT. AS WE DISCUSSED, WE ARE WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UH, THE LAST TIME WE UPDATED IT WITH, IT WAS IN 2011 AND IT'S RECOMMENDED TO DO EVERY 10 YEARS. IT'S 2021. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, UM, IN THE, BUT THERE IS A BUDGET ITEM OF $120,000, AND WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RFP PROCESS. I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH MCRPC, UM, ABOUT, UH, COLLABORATING WITH THEM ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS AS WELL. OKAY. THANKS SCOTT. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION COMMENTS? YES. MR. OTTO, THE PLAN FROM 2011. WAS THAT, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THAT? IT WAS THAT THE 2025 PLAN IS THAT A 2011. THAT WAS THE 2011 UPDATE TO THE CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. OKAY. CAN WE GET THAT JUST DISTRIBUTED JUST AS A READER? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SURE, SURE. THANK YOU. OTHERWISE I SHOULD HAVE IT ON THE WEBSITE. IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT NOW, BUT I CAN MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE PACKET. THANK YOU. IT, YEAH. THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. MURKOWSKI, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVE UNTIL MONDAY? OKAY. SEEING NONE. WE'LL MOVE THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING. [ Marian Meadows – Site Improvement/Building Demolition Update] NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE H WHICH IS A MARION MEADOWS SITE IMPROVEMENT BUILDING DEMOLITION UPDATE. YEAH. I'LL LET SCOTT HIT THIS AGAIN. UM, HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE, UH, WITH THE VENDORS. SO THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE, UH, GIVEN THAT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT, UH, PER UH, THE ORDINANCE OR THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR, UM, ABOUT, UH, THE PROJECT ITSELF WE HAVE NOW PURCHASED, UH, ALL OF THE LAND WITHIN THE AREA THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. UM, WE ARE GETTING READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DEMOLITION OF THE NORTHERN PART OF THE MARION MEADOWS SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS FROM THE FAR NORTHERN END DOWN TO THE FURNITURE STORE. THE FURNITURE STORE IS STILL OPEN AND SUSTAINED PLAY AND IT'S STILL OPEN. UH, SO THOSE WILL NOT BE, UM, PART OF THE DEMO AT THIS TIME, BUT THEN ALSO FROM THE PIECE OF THE, UH, WHAT WAS THE CR DATE AND PROPERTY THE BACK HALF, UM, THAT DOES NOT FACE BRANT PIKE. WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DEMOLITION OF THAT AS WELL. UM, THAT'S BACK WHERE THE HEAT NIGHTCLUB WAS IN THAT AREA. UM, WE ARE, UH, LEAVING THE PARKING LOT IN, AT THIS POINT IN TIME FOR ACCESS FOR THE EXISTING USERS. UM, AND UNTIL THERE'S A FINAL DESIGN FOR A LIBRARY AS THAT GOES THROUGH, UH, SO THAT'LL COME AT A LATER DATE. SO, UM, UM, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, WITHIN THIS WHOLE THING IS, UH, MIAMI VALLEY WAY. UM, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS A PRIVATE STREET RIGHT NOW. AND, UH, WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, MAKING THAT A PUBLIC STREET AS THAT WILL BE MOVING FORWARD AND HAVE MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS FOR FUTURE USERS. SO THAT'S JUST AN UPDATE TO COUNCIL ON WHERE WE'RE AT IN THIS PROCESS. UM, AS PART OF THAT DEMOLITION, THERE'S SOME ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, ISSUES THAT, UH, WE ARE DEALING WITH AS WELL WITH SOME ASBESTOS AND SOME GROUND, UH, ISSUES THAT, UH, SOME OF THE DIRT WILL BE TAKEN TO A DIFFERENT PLACE, UH, TO BE TAKEN. SO ALL THOSE STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE. AND THAT'S JUST WHERE WE ARE. I WOULD NOTE THAT PART OF THE PROCESS THAT COUNCIL PASSED [01:55:01] WAS A ACCELERATED REVIEW AND BIDDING PROCESS WAVING COULD THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL THESE TYPES OF SERVICES. AND THAT PROCESS WAS TO RECEIVE WRITTEN QUOTES, EVALUATE THEM. AND WE DID THAT, UH, IS STILL SO, UH, WE, WE DID GO WITH THE, UM, UH, WITH THE FIRM THAT IS UTILIZING SOME ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALTY TYPE OF MANEUVERS FOR THE, UH, FOR THE DEMO. UH, SO WE DID HAVE, UM, SOME OTHER RESPONSES AND QUOTES TO LOOK AT. SO WE DIDN'T JUST PICK ONE. WE FOLLOWED THE PROCESSES THAT WORK. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. SHOWMAN, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR MR. ? OH YES. MR. RONAN REALLY? IT'S JUST A REQUEST, UM, ON THE TOPIC OF THAT, THAT AREA ITSELF, I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT DURING THE, THE REVITALIZATION STUDY AND SURVEYS AND ALL THE GOOD STUFF THAT WE DID, UH, I HEAVILY RELIED UPON THE DISCOVER BRAND PIKE.COM A WEBSITE, WHICH IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE. DO WE HAVE, I'M SURE WE HAVE RECORDS OF, OF THE PROPOSALS THAT WE HAD, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE DRAWING, SOME OF THE, UM, THE PAPERWORK AND WHATNOT THAT WENT WITH THAT. I, I KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE A WHILE TOO. WE'RE BUILDING SOME STUFF THERE, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THAT'S, CAN THAT BE PULLED OUT AND CAN I, I CAN UPDATE OUR CITY WEBSITE WITH THAT INFORMATION LINKS TO THAT? WE, YES. WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. YES. SO IF IT'S, I GUESS SOME OF IT WE DID, BUT THERE'S MORE INFORMATION AND WHEN THEY PULLED THAT SIDE, IT KIND OF EVERYTHING. YEAH. THAT WAS KIND OF MY ACCESS. SO THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. MR. SHAW. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THAT I'M STILL WAITING ON A DATE AND TIME TO SWING A SLEDGEHAMMER. UM, MY CALENDAR IS WIDE OPEN FOR THAT, AND IF I GOT TO BRING MY ON BULLDOZER, SO BE IT. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. THANKS FOR THE UPDATE. APPRECIATE THAT. NEXT [ Metronet - City Wide Fiber Project] UP IS ITEM THREE. I METRONET CITY-WIDE FIBER PROJECT. WHO'S HANDLING THIS, UM, SCOTT, WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT AND I'M NOT SURE IS, UH, OKAY. YES. UH, THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE FROM METRO NET. THAT'S ON THE LINE TONIGHT, UH, PATIENTLY WAITING THAT, UH, METRO THAT IS A FIBER UTILITY THAT, UH, CAME TO THE CITY SAYING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND. THEY EXPANDING A LOT OF THE CITIES. UM, NAMELY, AS THEY'RE GETTING CLOSER TO OUR AREA, THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH VANDALIA AS WELL, AND THEY'RE WANTING TO PROVIDE ANOTHER OPTION IN THE CITY, UM, JUST AS OTHER UTILITIES, CABLE, AND, UH, UM, THAT ARE OUT THERE. SO THEY ARE LOOKING TO RUN FIBER THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, AND, UH, FOR PRETTY MUCH ALL RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AREAS, THERE'S SOME AREAS THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT ARE SOME OF THE OUTLIER, UH, TYPE THINGS. UM, BUT, UH, WE WANTED THEM TO COME IN AND JUST SPEAK ABOUT THEIR PROCESS AS THEY WILL BE COMING THROUGH AND DOING SOME WORK, DOING SOME BORING WORK, THERE'LL BE HANGING SOME LINES ON EXISTING POLES, BUT SOME AREAS WHERE WE REQUIRE UNDERGROUND THAT WE'D PUT IN UNDERGROUND, THERE'LL BE IN PEOPLE'S YARDS WITHIN EASEMENTS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PLACE THIS AND THEN, UM, EVENTUALLY BE ABLE TO, UH, PROVIDE A NEW SERVICE FOR THE RESIDENTS. SO I'LL PASS IT ON, UH, MS. SMITH. THANK YOU, MR. COCKY. GOOD EVENING, MS. SMITH. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I APPRECIATE IT. UM, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME, I DO HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION. UM, AND I'LL PROVIDE FOR YOU GUYS THAT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO WE ARE AS A COMPANY, AND WHAT WE DO, IS THAT OKAY TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL? YEAH, SO AGAIN, MY NAME'S CHRIS SMITH, I'M ACTUALLY THE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS MANAGER FOR MORE FOR METRONET. I'VE BEEN WITH METRONET FOR A LOVER 11 YEARS. WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT FIBER OPTIC INTERNET TV AND PHONE COMPANY ESTABLISHED IN 2004 IN INDIANA. WE CURRENTLY SERVE OVER 90 COMMUNITIES ACROSS NINE STATES. UM, AS SCOTT MENTIONED TO YOU GUYS, FIBER BENEFITS YOUR COMMUNITY IN MANY, MANY WAYS. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, AND IT WAS INTERESTING. YOU BROUGHT UP A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING. UM, FIBER CAN ACTUALLY INCREASE HOME VALUES BY 3.1%, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR THAT. THAT WAS A STUDY COMPLETED BY THE WALL STREET JOURNAL. UM, WE ALSO BRING COMPETITION TO A COMMUNITY, OR I LIKE TO SAY THAT YOU'RE BRINGING CHOICE TO YOUR RESIDENTS. THEY CAN CHOOSE THEIR CHOICE OF TELECOMMUNICATION PROVIDERS. IT ALSO, UM, WHICH YOU IN THE EXCLUSIVE CLUB OF ONLY 20% OF THE HOMES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT HAVE ACCESS TO 100% FIBER AND IT'S VERY [02:00:01] FAST INTERNET. UM, IT BENEFITS YOUR COMMUNITY IN MANY WAYS. UM, BUT AS WE KICK OFF OUR PROJECT WITH YOU, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO REVIEW HOW METRONET IS GOING TO SUPPORT, UM, YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO COMMUNICATE WITH RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO DO, AND I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE CONSTRUCTION'S MESSY. IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE. AS SCOTT MENTIONED, WE'LL BE OPERATING OR, UM, IT PLACING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IN EASEMENTS, ALSO CONNECTING, UH, ARIEL THROUGH YOUR, UH, EXISTING POLES. SO ABOUT 45 TO 30 DAYS PRIOR TO STARTING IN AN AREA WITHIN HUBER HEIGHTS, WE WILL SEND LETTERS TO RESIDENTS IN CASE THOSE LETTERS GET MISSED IN THE MAIL, UH, 10 TO 14 DAYS PRIOR TO OUR START DATE, WE'LL SEND THESE GREEN CONSTRUCTION POSTCARDS THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE AT THE TOP. UM, THOSE TEND TO CATCH EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. AGAIN, LOTS OF INFORMATION ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING CONSTRUCTION. HERE'S THE BEST WAY TO CONTRACT METRONET SO THAT WE CAN HELP, UH, DIVERT SOME OF THE FALLS THAT MIGHT BE COMING INTO THE CITY OFFICES. FINALLY, ABOUT THREE TO FIVE DAYS PRIOR TO START WE'LL PLACE YARD DARTS. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE THERE. IT'S SIMILAR TO, IF YOU HAD YOUR LAWN SPRAY TYPE SIGN, AND THEN WHEN APPLICABLE WE'LL POLICE SAY CONSTRUCTION UNDERWAY, AND AGAIN, HOW TO CONTACT, METRONET A LARGER VERSION AT THE END. HEY, CHRIS, UH, WE'RE NOT SEEING YOUR SCREEN. UM, WELL, THAT'S NOT DOING YOU ANY GOOD. IS IT? I MEAN, YOU'RE DESCRIBING EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING VERY WELL. YEAH. GREAT. WHEN I, WHEN I HEARD YARN DARK, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING. I'M LIKE, I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SEEING SOMETHING. YEAH, I THINK, YEAH. UM, SEE WHY I WOULDN'T HAVE THAT UP FOR YOU GUYS. CAN YOU SEE ME NOW? THERE WE GO. THANKS FOR STOPPING ME. I WAS ON ROW, BUT IT HELPS TO BE CONCEIVED ME. SO HERE'S THE YARD DIRT THAT I MENTIONED. UM, AND I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP IT IN THIS FORMAT SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE SEEING ME MO THE BIG KEY OF THIS IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO COMMUNICATE, COMMUNICATE, COMMUNICATE TO YOUR RESIDENTS. I WANT TO, AGAIN, DIVERT AS MANY CALLS INTO YOUR CITY OFFICES, AS I POSSIBLY CAN. I WANT RESIDENTS TO FEEL COMFORTABLE TO CONTACT US WITH QUESTIONS. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO OFFER THAT I WANT TO REASSURE YOU ABOUT IS WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION WEBSITE THAT'S DEDICATED STRICTLY TO THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND WHAT PEOPLE CAN EXPECT WITH THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD, WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT TO SEE, UM, WITH OUR CREWS. AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO FEEL LIKE IF YOU SEND SOMEONE TO THIS WEBSITE, YOU'RE NOT FORCING THE INTRANET, IT'S STRICTLY DEDICATED TO CONSTRUCTION AND WHAT TO EXPECT. THERE'S ALSO SOME VIDEOS LOCATED THERE THAT REVIEW SOME OF THE MACHINERY WE USE. THEY'RE VERY QUICK MINUTE YOUTUBE VIDEOS. I SEND A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION ALSO OVER TO, UH, SCOTT AND LET HIM KNOW IF THERE'S THINGS THAT I CAN PROVIDE YOU GUYS FOR SOCIAL MEDIA. SO AGAIN, YOU CAN PUT RESIDENTS AT EASE. THAT'S MY GOAL. UM, ONE THING I'M VERY PROUD OF, AND THEN I'LL MENTION, UH, PROBABLY TWO OR THREE TIMES IS ANYTIME WE RECEIVE A QUESTION, A CONCERN FROM YOUR RESIDENTS, THERE IS A 99% RESPONSE RATE THAT WE'LL REACH BACK OUT TO THAT RESIDENT WITHIN 24 HOURS. NOW THAT IS BUSINESS HOURS. IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE FRIDAY AFTERNOON, THEY MIGHT NOT GET A PHONE CALL FROM OUR CONSTRUCTION TEAM TILL MONDAY, BUT WE WANT TO RESPOND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AGAIN, TO PUT FOLKS AT EASE, UM, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN OVER HERE, YOU'LL SEE, THIS IS ALSO THIS CONSTRUCTION WEBSITE IS ALSO A GREAT RESOURCE. SO RESIDENTS CAN VISIT THAT AND THEY CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE INTERACTIVE MAP AND THEY CAN FIND OUT IS THOSE, THAT GROUP THAT I SEE OUT THERE IS THAT A METRONET CONSTRUCTION PERSON OR NOT. UM, ALSO PLEASE NOTE THAT ANY WORKING FOR METRONET WILL HAVE SIGNS ON THEIR VEHICLES. THEY'LL WEAR SAFETY VESTS THAT ARE BRIGHT ORANGE THAT SAY METRONET, AND ANY CONTRACTORS WORKING FOR US, WE'LL WEAR A NAME BADGE WITH EXCELLENCE AND WE'LL HAVE THEIR NAME ON IT. UM, WE HAVE A STRONG COMMITMENT AT METRONET TO RESTORATION AND SAFETY. UM, SO WE DO STORE AREAS AS WE GO. IN MOST CASES WITH ARIEL FOLKS, NEVER KNOW WE WE'RE THERE, WE'RE IN WE'RE OUT. UM, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT WITH UNDERGROUND. IT IS A LOT MORE INVASIVE. WE DIG, UM, AND WE PLACED INFRASTRUCTURE. WE POTHOLE AS [02:05:01] A SAFETY BEST PRACTICE. SO WE DO GET A LOT MORE QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THAT. SO WHAT WE DO RESTORE AREAS AS WE GO AGAIN, USING THAT CONSTRUCTION WEBSITE, YOU CAN TAKE SOME HELPFUL VIDEOS ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE CAN EXPECT. UM, AND AGAIN, I RECOGNIZE IN ALMOST EVERY CITY THAT I WORK WITH, THIS TYPE OF UTILITY WORK HAS OCCURRED SINCE THE 1950S SIXTIES. SO I WANT TO COMMUNICATE WITH RESIDENTS, REALLY PUT THEM AT EASE, UM, IS HOW CAN RESIDENTS LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR PRICING AND SERVICES? WE OFFER A WEBSITE METRONET INC COM IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO CONSTRUCTION. AND AS WE RAMP UP AND CONSTRUCTION RELEASES AREAS AGAIN, WE RELEASE AS WE GO, THEN YOU'LL START TO SEE, UM, ADVERTISING, UH, MULTIPLE FORMS, BUT, BUT ALWAYS METRONET EAT.COM WILL HAVE THE LATEST OFFERS AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE TO REVIEW. UM, MY LAST SLIDE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST SOME OF OUR EXAMPLES OF STANDARD PRICING THAT WE OFFER. WE'LL HAVE SOME SPECIAL, UH, SPECIAL OFFERS THAT WE'LL RELEASE AS WE RELEASE IN HUBER HEIGHTS. AND THEN THIS IS MY CONTACT INFORMATION. I WOULD HOPE THAT ANYONE, UM, IN TONIGHT'S MEETING OR WITH THE CITY, ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO REACH OUT TO ME WITH QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, ESCALATIONS, I WANT TO ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE MY INFORMATION. WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR ME AND MS. SMITH? MR. WEBB HAS A QUESTION. SO MR. ROBERT, IF YOU WOULD, THANK YOU MIRROR. HI CHRIS. I ACTUALLY, UH, WENT TO CONSTRUCTION DOT METRO NET INC COM PRIOR TO TONIGHT'S MEETING, UM, FOUND IT VERY EASY TO USE, EASY TO NAVIGATE CLICKED ON YOUR RIGHTS, OHIO AND BROUGHT UP YOUR MAP. MY QUESTION IS THE, UH, HOW OFTEN IS THE MAP UPDATED? HOW ALIVE IS THAT PICTURE OF CONSTRUCT, UH, COMPLETED, UM, UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND FORECASTED GREAT QUESTION. IT'S ACTUALLY UPDATED WEEKLY. UM, AS WE UPDATE OUR CONSTRUCTION MAPS, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU, UH, I BELIEVE JAMIE FRY REACHED OUT TO ME TODAY AND THERE WAS SOME THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE CORRECTED FOR THE HUBER HEIGHTS WEBSITE. UM, I'M HAPPY TO REPORT, I HAD ALL OF THOSE UPDATED AND CORRECTED JUST PRIOR TO YOUR MEETING TONIGHT. RIGHT. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. I LIVE UP IN FUTURE SECTION. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING METRONET COME THROUGH AND I'M ASSUMING THOSE ARE YOUR CREWS. WE'RE SEEING OUT HERE, UH, DOING A GREAT JOB, UM, RUNNING THE, UM, I'M GUESSING CONDUIT, UH, UNDERGROUND FOR YOUR LAWNS. SO YES, SIR. YES. OR WE'RE STARTING ON. UM, WE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR TRIBAL LANGUAGE, I LIKE TO CALL IT THE SPINE, BUT THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS THAT MAIN THOROUGHFARE THERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS. AND THANK YOU FOR THOSE POSITIVE WORDS ABOUT OUR CONTRACTORS. I HOPE THAT CONTINUES. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MA'AM. THANK YOU, MR. WEBB, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU HAVE MR. SHERMAN? YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK. UH, COUNSEL WILL RECALL. WE, UH, DEALT WITH METRONET WHEN THEY CAME IN TO PUT THERE, I GUESS THE HUB, I GUESS, WOULD BE CALLED OUT ON BELL FOUNTAIN, IRONICALLY ACROSS FROM THE OAKS, SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE EXTRA SEATING. UM, AND JUST, UH, I WANTED TO TELL, UH, MS. SMITH, UM, THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE DILIGENCE THAT THEY PUT INTO NOTIFYING THE RESIDENTS. WHEN WE MET WITH THEM EARLY ON IN THAT STAGE, THEY SAID, THAT'S THE METHODOLOGY THAT THEY USE. UH, WE WENT AND CHECKS THERE'S SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES, UH, THEY'VE ALL HAD GOOD EXPERIENCES. UH, THEY'RE VERY, VERY GOOD AT RESTORING AREAS. UH, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO TELL THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GETTING THESE NOTICES THAT, UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE WOULD BE A SLIGHT DISRUPTION, THEY'VE BEEN VERY, VERY GOOD ACCORDING TO OTHER COMMUNITIES FOR THE RESTORATION. I'VE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND MYSELF. AND I WOULD SAY THAT, YES, THAT IS VERY TRUE. UH, AND WE JUST WANTED TO GET OUT AHEAD. THEY WENT A LITTLE BIT FASTER THAN WHAT WE EXPECTED THEM TO AS FAR AS THEIR NOTICES. SO YOU CAN TELL THEY'RE VERY DILIGENT. THEY ARE OUT THERE IN, IN VERY PREVALENT. SO, UH, WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND, UH, WE JUST WANTED TO REMIND, UH, THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS A, A, UM, UH, A PRIVATE INVESTMENT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT AND WITHIN THE UTILITY RIGHT AWAY OF THE, UH, OF THE CITY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, ALLOWED AND SOMETHING THAT EVEN IF WE WANTED TO SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T DO IT. UH, THERE ARE, THERE ARE UTILITIES, BUT RIGHTS FOR THAT. AND, UH, WE THINK THAT IT WILL BE A GREAT BENEFIT, UM, OVERALL FOR ADDITIONAL ACCESS FOR THOSE THAT WOULD SEEK IT. SO, UM, WE'RE NOT CONTRACTED WITH METRO NET. UH, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS ASKED THEM TO DO. UH, THEY HAVE ASKED TO COME INTO OUR CITY AND PROVIDE THE INVESTMENT, AND I'M NOT SURE CHRIS COULD DO YOU KNOW WHAT, THE AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE [02:10:01] AND WAGES AND STUFF THAT, UH, THAT THE CITY WOULD SEE AS A BENEFIT OF THE PROJECT OVERALL, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, I WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. I APPRECIATE THAT ON, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. NO, SIR. IT WAS SIGNIFICANT WHEN WE HAD OUR INITIAL DISCUSSION. SO, UM, YEAH. YES. YEAH. I THINK IF IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IS, UH, IF ANYBODY AROUND HERE PAYS ATTENTION TO SOCIAL MEDIA, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY THAT C WOULD BE UPSET BY HAVING MORE CABLE AND INTERNET OPTIONS. YEAH. UH, MR. AND MRS. BURCH. UM, WE HAVE OUR WEBSITE, OUR WEBSITE, READY TO GO WITH A LINK TO THE CONSTRUCTION, ALL THAT INFORMATION. PLUS WE GET DAILY EMAILS FROM METRO NET ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING. WE WILL MAKE SURE THOSE ARE UP AND DAILY, THAT AS WE GET THOSE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL UNITS, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE WORKING. SO I THINK THIS IS A CASE WHERE SOCIAL MEDIA COULD BE USED AS A VERY POSITIVE. I THINK IF WE ALL TOOK THE TIME TO MAYBE TO MAYBE JUST TRY TO SHARE THE INFORMATION, AT LEAST TO LET RESIDENTS KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND THEN IF THEY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, THEN REFER THEM BACK TO THE CITY WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION REGARDING WHERE THEY'RE GOING, WHERE THEY'RE AT. I THINK THIS IS JUST ONE AREA WHERE COMMUNICATION WITH ALL THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE A REALLY IMPORTANT, LET THEM KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT'S HAPPENING, UM, BECAUSE THE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO COME. SO LET'S JUST TRY TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION OUT THERE AS POSSIBLE. MRS. BURCH, MS. BIRD YOU'RE MUTED. I THINK THERE YOU GO. I WANT TO STAY OFF. UM, I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR MAP AND, UH, WE'RE ALSO IN THE FUTURE, UH, PLAN. WHAT DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO HAPPEN? OR WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO COMPLETE THE, UH, THE UNDER CONSTRUCTION? UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, WE ARE SLATED IF I BELIEVE THIS IS ABOUT A SIX TO EIGHT MONTH PROJECT. I I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO IT'S CONSTRUCTION, SO I LIKE TO TALK AND SEES IT. AND SO I WOULD SAY PROBABLY DECEMBER, IT COULD BE SOONER THAN THAT. WHAT I CAN PROMISE YOU IS THAT YOU WILL BE NOTIFIED AT LEAST 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE START OF THE CONSTRUCTION. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ONES THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION SHOULD ALL BE DONE BY DECEMBER, AND THEN YOU GO INTO THE FUTURE PROJECT. I'M SORRY. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M SAYING THAT FIT THAT HUBER HEIGHTS PROJECT OH. SHOULD BE COMPLETED AT THAT POINT. UM, I DON'T HAVE A MAP IN FRONT OF ME, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT OR HOW FAST THAT TURNAROUND WILL BE. THANK YOU. IT'S EXCITING. THANKS MISS VIRGINIA. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. MR. SHARP. THANK YOU, MR. UH, MR. MAYOR, UM, UH, SMITH. I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION HERE TONIGHT. UM, I KNOW DOING SOME QUICK RESEARCH ON THIS, UM, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, UH, COMPANY, UH, ABOUT NINE STATES, 50 CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AM I ROUGHLY CORRECT? YES. UM, AND AM I ALSO CORRECT THAT YOU ACTUALLY DO PARTNER WITH CITIES, UH, TO BECOME GIGABYTE CITIES? UM, AND I BELIEVE I MAY HAVE THROWN THAT TERMINOLOGY A BED. I KNOW JUST RECENTLY DOWN IN KENTUCKY, UH, YOU INVESTED A, YOUR COMPANY INVESTED ALMOST FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, AND I MAY BE A LITTLE SHY ON THAT NUMBER, UH, TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE AND A UTILITY TO RESIDENTS IN A COMMUNITY, UM, THAT REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. AND REALLY IS NOW A BEACON ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AM I GOT THAT ON THE HEAD THERE? YOU'VE GOT IT JUST ABOUT DEAD CENTER AND VERSAILLES. IT WAS A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH. YES. WHAT WE'LL BE DOING FOR YOU IS BRETT. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SAY HUBER HEIGHTS IS NOW A GIGABIT CITY, WHICH IS HUGE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND I'M SURE I DON'T HAVE TO COACH YOU ON THAT. UM, BUT DEFINITELY IT'LL PUT YOU IN THE SAME BALLPARK AS CITIES LIKE LEXINGTON, KENTUCKY, WHERE WE INVESTED OVER $90 MILLION. UM, SO YES, THAT'S WHAT IT WILL DO FOR YOU. THANK YOU, MS. SMITH AND MR. MAYOR, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING WITH, AND I'M SURE OUR CITY MANAGER'S AHEAD ON THAT AS WELL AS OUR ECONOMIC DEPARTMENT, AS, UH, AS EIGHT CITIES IN THE STATE OF OHIO TO, UH, TO HAVE THIS FIBER RAN THROUGH AND TO BE ABLE TO CLASSIFY ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAGE OF BEING A GIGABYTE CITY, UM, I THINK IS HUGE IN OUR, IN OUR TECHNOLOGY AGE. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY CHAMPION AND, AND, UH, AND, AND, AND SEE HOW WE CAN DEFINITELY GRAB THAT AND MOVE THAT FORWARD. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. SMITH FOR YOUR TIME. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE RESIDENTS I'VE SPOKEN WITH HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED YOUR GREEN POSTCARDS. I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN YOUR CREWS ACROSS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL, UM, UH, TODAY, UH, YOU'RE DOING A LOT OF WORK IN OUR COMMUNITIES. WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE OUTCOME [02:15:01] AND I, UH, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO FROM NOW, WE'RE REALLY GONNA START REAPING THE BENEFITS OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO OFFER. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. SCHULTE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY, WELL, YOU CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE UPDATE. I THINK, I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LOOK I ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10 ON SOME EXCITING NEWS, I MEAN, THIS HAS GOT TO BE ON A 9.5. SO, UH, I THINK WE'RE ALL EXCITED AND APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR INVESTMENT IN THE CITY. AND, UH, WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL WE CAN, UM, HAVE THAT OPTION TO START USING THAT SERVICE. SO, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AFTER THIS OR ANYONE EVER HAS ANY ESCALATIONS OR QUESTIONS FOR ME, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. NEXT [ Streets Improvements Policy] UP. WAS I ON THREE J THE STREETS IMPROVEMENT POLICY? I CAN START OFF. I KNOW ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD IN PREVIOUS MEETING WAS MOVING FORWARD WITH A, UM, UM, POLICY FOR A POLICY ON, UM, ON STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND IT CENTERED AROUND MORE, YOU KNOW, WHICH IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WOULD INCLUDE SIDEWALKS. SO WHAT WE'VE BEGUN TO DO INTERNALLY IS TO LOOK AT THE VARIOUS PROGRAMS AND ANNUAL THINGS THAT WE DO AS WELL AS SPECIAL PROJECTS AND CLASSIFY THEM IN COORDINATION WITH HOW IT MEETS OUR UPCOMING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, RE RE REVAMPING AND REDOING, AND ALSO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. UH, SO, UM, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY PROPOSED POLICY AS OF YET, BUT I THINK AS WE, UH, CONTINUE TO GET INTO THOSE, THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE SLATED FOR THIS YEAR, AS WELL AS, UH, THE, THE PROJECTS FOR THE COMP PLAN AND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO BASICALLY IDENTIFY AND STANDARDIZE THE METHODS. ONE, ONE EXAMPLE WOULD BE THIS, UM, WHEN WE DO, UH, LET'S SAY THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM, WHAT FACTORS AND ELEMENTS, AND WE HAVE THEM, IT'S JUST MORE OF INTERNAL POLICIES, BUT RATHER HAVE THEM, UM, PRONOUNCED AND RESOLVED IN THE FORM OF, UH, LEGISLATIVE POLICY. WHAT FACTORS ARE CONTRIBUTED TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, THE AREAS AND THE PRIORITIES THAT WE DO. DO WE, UH, LOOK AT GAPS, PERCENTAGES FOR SIDEWALKS, THEN WE GET INTO STREET SURFACING. THEN WE GET INTO, UH, THOROUGHFARE EXPANSION, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, UH, ONE OF THE UPCOMING PROJECTS THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT AND EVALUATING IS ON FITCHBURG, WHERE YOU'VE GOT A GAP, UH, IN THE WIDTH AND SIDEWALKS BETWEEN TROY AND, UM, AND WELL, PRETTY MUCH ALL THE WAY TO BRAND, BUT BASICALLY WE'RE FOX, UH, FOX TRACES AND THE BIKE SHOP, UH, THAT AREA THROUGH THERE WERE SUBS. THAT WAS A PART OF A, UH, ORIGINALLY DESIGNATED PLAT, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS WHERE, UH, THE ROAD WITH MAY NEED TO BE, UH, LOOKED AT SIDEWALKS INSTALLATIONS, ET CETERA, ALL BASED BELONG, YOU KNOW, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. SO, UH, WE WANTED TO STANDARDIZE AND STRUCTURE A, A POLICY AND A PRIORITY SYSTEM. AND, UM, AND THAT WAY WE'RE CERTAIN THAT AS WE LOOK AT, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, AS THE SYSTEM GOES NOW, UH, WE WERE KIND OF DOING THAT. AND THEN WE BRING THOSE PROJECTS AND THEN BASICALLY THEY'RE JUST ASKED TO BE APPROVED. UH, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY FEEL THAT THE, THE TRUE REVIEW OF IT SHOULD BE A PROCEDURE WHERE A PRIORITIZATION IS SET. THERE ARE SOME INPUT AND DELIBERATION FROM COUNCIL BASED ON THE INPUT FROM THE CONSTITUENTS, OF COURSE, AND THEN WE CAN PRIORITIZE AND DEVELOP WHAT PLANS BASED ON THAT. AND THEN THE APPROVAL LEVEL WILL BASICALLY BE ALREADY HAVE INCLUDED ALL THOUGHTS AND PROCESSES, UM, UH, THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE ABOUT THOROUGHFARE, PEDESTRIAN, WALKABILITY, TRAFFIC, WAYS, ALL THOSE THINGS, UH, REGARDING. SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT AND ITEMIZING THAT INTO A ARTICULABLE TEXTUAL FORM. AND, UM, START FROM THERE. THANKS. THANKS, ROB. AND I THINK THIS IS, UM, I THINK THIS WAS A GREAT PROGRESS JUST FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A PROCESS IN PLACE THROUGH POLICY. IF WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC PROCESS THAT WE DO, CAUSE IT'S KIND OF ALL ORIGINATED BASED AROUND THE STREET IMPROVEMENT. SO IF WE, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO A STREET IMPROVEMENT, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE. THEN WE HAVE A POLICY WE GO THROUGH THAT DOES THE PRIORITIZATIONS, LIKE YOU MENTIONED. SO WE, WE'RE NOT GOING BACK A MEETING OR TWO MEETINGS OR THREE MEETINGS LATER, WE WENT, OH, WE MISSED THAT. WE NEED TO RE WE NEED TO REDO THAT. SO I LIKE THIS PROCESS GETTING INVOLVED WITH, WITH A POLICY IN THE WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC STREET PROGRAM OR STRAIGHT IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THAT'S COMING UP. SO I THINK THIS IS, UM, I THINK THIS IS MOVING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. YEAH. THERE'S BEEN SUCH GOOD SUCCESS FOR OUR INTERIOR STREETS PROGRAM. SO WE KIND [02:20:01] OF WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MODEL SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS INTO THOROUGHFARE IMPROVEMENTS, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. SO IN TERMS OF, UM, WHEN YOU MIGHT SEE A POLICY THAT COMES FORWARD FOR COUNCIL TO EVALUATE AND TAKE A LOOK AT, YEAH, I WOULD SAY, UM, WE, TO KIND OF, FACT-FIND HERE A LITTLE BIT, AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT THE, UH, ONE PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON FITCHBURG, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO RUSH IT. I'M JUST TRYING TO, YEAH, I'D SAY, I'D SAY WE BRING IT BACK. UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MEETINGS NEXT MONTH, UH, KIND OF IS, UH, SOME INITIAL THOUGHTS AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF DEVELOP HOW THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FORM OF A, UH, UH, OF, INCLUDING INTO THE ORDINANCES. AND I THINK, RIGHT, TH ACTUALLY THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION, WASN'T THERE ABOUT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS? UH, SO KIND OF WORKING WITH THAT AS WELL. I THINK THE POLICY AND THE PROCEDURE GETTING AT RIGHT IS CERTAINLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE TIMING. I'M JUST CURIOUS AGAIN, JUST THE TIMEFRAME, BUT I THINK MAKING SURE WE GET THAT POLICY RIGHT. IS SORT OF, IS MOVING MORE FORWARD, SCOTT. YEAH. SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WE WERE HAVING WITH MCRPC, THEY'VE GOT A CONFERENCE COMING UP AT THE END OF THIS MONTH THAT RUSS IS GOING TO ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. SO WE'RE INCLUDING SOME OF THAT IN TO ALL THAT AS WE GO THROUGH. AND THEN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE ORIENTS REVIEW COMMISSION TO SEE. SO WE'RE REVIEWING ALL THAT AS WELL, SO, OKAY. UM, SOMETIME MID FEBRUARY, SO WE STILL HAVE SOME OUTLINE ROUGH DRAFT. OKAY. SO AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST MORE, MORE OF AN UPDATE THIS EVENING. NOTHING ELSE? CORRECT? YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR, UH, UH, EITHER ROB OR SCOTT. [ Board and Commission Appointments] OKAY. NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS. MR. ROGERS? UH, YES, JUST ONE THE SAME THING. UH, WE HAVE A RECOMMENDED APPOINTMENT OF KENNETH OR HER STEAM TO THE PERSONNEL APPEALS BOARD FOR TERMINATING MARCH 31ST, 2023. UH, HIS, UH, THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE INTERVIEW PANEL. UM, HE WAS THE ONLY APPLICANT FOR ONE OF THE TWO VACANCIES WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THIS BOARD. IT'S NOT A BOARD THAT MEETS VERY FREQUENTLY, BUT THAT'S GOOD NEWS WHEN IT DOES NOT. SO, UM, WE HAVE TO BACKGROUND, CHECK AND PROCESS WITH HUMAN RESOURCES RIGHT NOW. AND, UH, ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED, WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL TAKE ACTION ON THIS APPOINTMENT ON MONDAY. OKAY. ANY OBJECTIONS TO MR. HURSTON ON THE, UH, ON THE COMMISSION? LET'S TRY IT. OBJECTION WHATSOEVER IS NOW. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'VE KNOWN AGAIN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND WE'D BE LUCKY TO HAVE HIM ON JUST ABOUT ANY BORDER COMMISSION. HE IS REALLY COULDN'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING FORWARD? CHEMISTRY WRITERS WE'LL SEE THAT ON MONDAY'S MEETING NEXT [ 2021 Rules of Council] UP IS ITEM THREE L WHICH IS THE 2021 RULES OF COUNCIL. UH, THE ONLY, UH, RECOMMENDATION OR ENDING DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD PREVIOUS WAS, UH, REGARDING, UH, REMOTE MEETINGS. UH, MS. ROGERS, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO, I MEAN, AS FAR AS I KNOW IN DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD DEVELOPED ANYTHING, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF BACK TO A HYBRID NOW, SO I'M JUST, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, IF ANY CHANGES TO THE RULES WOULD NEED TO BE BASED ON KIND OF HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. I THINK THE, THE COUNSELORS THAT AREN'T HERE TONIGHT EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN COMING BACK ONCE THE VACCINE WAS AVAILABLE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, A COUNCIL RULE CHANGE BASED ON WHERE RIGHT NOW, THE HYBRID MEETING, WE'VE DONE HYBRID MEETINGS BEFORE, IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADING. NOW YOU LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK BASED ON THE DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING, A RULE CHANGE IS NEEDED. YEAH. BASED ON THE DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING, I HAD PULLED SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES TO SEE WHAT THEY HAD DONE IN THIS REGARD. UM, I DID, UH, BEFORE KNOWING WE WERE GOING TO A HYBRID MEETING, UH, DRAFT A SECTION THAT ADDRESSED VIRTUAL AND REMOTE MEETINGS, UM, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. UM, I THINK SOME OF THAT'S NEGATED BY THE FACT OF THE DECISION TO MOVE TOWARDS THE HYBRID MEETINGS. UM, SO, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, JUST TO, UH, LEAVE THE RULES OF COUNCIL AS THEY ARE AT THIS POINT AND, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, REAFFIRM THEM FOR 2021. UM, COUNCIL CAN MAKE CHANGES TO THE RULES OF COUNCIL THAT YOU'RE GOING. SO THE CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD CHANGE. UM, IN THIS REGARD WE CAN ALWAYS REVISIT THIS ISSUE AND BRING IT BACK, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL TIME. THANKS, MR. ROGERS. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I MEAN, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD SORT OF BE MY, MY UNDERSTANDING OF RECOMMENDATION AS WELL. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A NEED TO, TO CHANGE ANY RULES WITH COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY CAN BE AMENDED AT ANY TIME IF THE REASON OR IF THE NEED ARISES. SO, UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, MR. ROGERS RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE 20, 21 RULES? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE WILL LEAVE THOSE RULES AS SAY ABOUT, [02:25:01] DO WE NEED TO HAVE, UM, DO THEY NEED TO BE, DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE ROLES OF COUNCIL ON THE COUNCIL MEETING TO, UH, TO REAFFIRM THEM OR BY LACK OF CHANGE? ARE THEY REFERRED? WE, WE WOULD JUST HAVE A MOTION TO AFFIRM FOR 2021 COUNSEL. OKAY. THANKS MR. ROGERS. UH, OKAY. SO NUMBER FOUR IS A GERMAN, BUT BEFORE WE GET THERE, MR. SCHOMER IS NOTIFIED NEW. WE DO NEED TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO, UH, SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION PLEASE, OR ROBIN. YEAH. I W I WOULD ASK THAT SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION TO CONSIDER CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION RELATED TO THE MARKETING PLAN, SPECIFIC BUSINESS STRATEGY, PRODUCTION TECHNIQUES, TRADE SECRETS, OR PERSONAL FINANCE STATEMENTS OF AN APPLICANT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE. PERFECT. MR. CAMPBELL. SO MOVE. IS THERE A SECOND, MRS. BAKER SECONDS, UH, MR. ROGERS, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT THIS TYPE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION DOES REQUIRE A UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THIS REASON. PERFECT. THANK YOU, MS. ROGERS CALDWELL, MR. MAYOR. YEAH. UH, PRIOR TO ROLL CALL, I DO HAVE A DISCUSSION FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT AS WE WERE ENTERING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND, UH, TO THE, UH, UH, FRANK THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAD NOTED, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO INQUIRE FURTHER AS, WHAT ABOUT THIS CAN NOT BE MADE PUBLIC AND, OR AFTER THIS DISCUSSION, WILL ANY INFORMATION BE MADE PUBLIC? YES, I, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, THIS DISCUSSION BEGINS THE FINALIZATION OF IT BECOMING, UM, UM, PUBLIC, UH, THE APPLICANTS, UH, FOR ECONOMIC, UH, ASSISTANCE, UM, IN THEIR DEMONSTRATION RIGHT NOW HAVE CERTAIN TRADE SECRETS FOR COMPETITIVENESS OF POTENTIAL REAL ESTATE PURCHASES ALSO FOR THEIR PARTICULAR PRODUCT AND, UM, IN SPECIALTIES WITHIN THEIR MARKET. UH, AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PUBLIC PROJECT ON THEIR BEHALF, UH, AND THE COMPETITIVE NATURE, UH, THEN, UM, THAT'S THE REASON THAT IT WOULD BE, WOULD BE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION MUCH LIKE ALL THAT WAS RED THERE. SO, UM, UM, THE APPLICANT DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD, THEN IT WOULD BE PUBLIC AT THAT TIME. ABSOLUTELY. MR. ROGERS, MS. BAKER. YES. MR. CAMPBELL. YES. MRS. SPURGE. YES. MR. OTTO? YES. MR. LYONS? YES. MR. HILL. YES. MR. WEBB? YES. MR. SHAW? YES. OKAY. MOTION TO EXECUTIVE SESSION IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY EIGHT ZERO. OKAY. IT IS NOW NINE 33, AND WE HAVE, UH, COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THERE WERE NO SPECIFIC DECISIONS VOTED OR ACTED UPON. SO AT NINE 33, UH, THIS EVENING'S WORK SESSION. IS IT YOUR. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.