Nov 28, 2022 City Council Meeting

YOU'RE READY.

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EVENING

[1. Call The Meeting To Order - Mayor Jeff Gore]

TODAY'S DATE IS NUMBER 28TH, 2022.

WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT SIX 30.

UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.

AND NEXT UP WE HAVE OUR INVOCATION FROM

[2. Invocation - Pastor John Gakwaya Of The Compassion Free Methodist Church At 6875 Old Troy Pike, Huber Heights, Ohio]

ONE, TWO THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME HERE TO PRAY FOR YOU.

SECOND, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE THINGS YOU HAVE DONE FOR DC CITY.

IF YOU WERE NOT THERE, NOTHING COULD HAPPEN HERE.

WE THANK YOU.

WE THANK YOU, AND WE WILL THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND THEN I WANT TO READ FOR YOU SO MANY, IT WAS JUST A BLESSING FOR YOU.

THIS WAS COME FROM IN THE BOOK OF NUMBERS IN THE ORDER TESTAMENT CHAPTER SIX 30, VERSE 24 THROUGH 25.

THE LORD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU, THE LORD.

THEY MAKE HIS DEFENSE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE GRACIOUS TO YOU.

THE LORD TURN HIS FACE TOWARD YOU AND GIVE YOU PEACE.

LET US PRAY OUR HEAVEN.

AND FATHER, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU HAVE DONE MANY, MANY THINGS THROUGH US.

YOU HAVE BEEN WITH US.

YOU CAR FOR US, YOU LOVED US, AND YOU'RE STILL LOVING US.

LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THESE WONDERFUL PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SERVING YOU.

WE PRAY FOR THEM ALWAYS.

WE WANT TO LORD TO GUIDE EACH ONE OF THEM AS THEY SERVE YOU IN THIS SBRA HEIGHTS.

LORD BLESS THEM AND THEY WATCH OVER THEM, AND THEY WATCH FOR ALL THEIR FAMILIES FROM CHILDREN, THEIR WIS.

WE PRAY FOR THEM, WHATEVER THEY ARE, EVEN IN OUR, I ASK ALL OF THE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS.

AMEN.

AMEN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

AND NEXT WE HAVE THE FLAG CEREMONY

[3. Flag Ceremony - Wayne High School Junior ROTC Honor Guard]

[4. Pledge Of Allegiance]

CARRIE COLORS.

COLORS.

COULD YOU BRING UP THE SOUND A LITTLE BIT? DOES IT SEEM LIKE THE LIGHTS ARE AS AS I WISH YOU ALL .

TONY, WOULD YOU CALL

[5. Roll Call]

MS. BAKER? HERE.

MR. CAMPBELL.

MRS. VERGE.

HERE.

MR. OTTO? HERE.

MR. LYONS? HERE.

MRS. KITCHEN.

HERE.

MR. WEBB? HERE.

MAYOR, GO HERE.

MR. CAMPBELL IS, UH, SAID OUT ASKING US TO EXCUSE HIS ABSENCE THIS EVENING.

IS THERE A MOTION? NANCY? I MOVED TO APPROVE HIS ABSENCE.

OKAY.

SECOND TONY CALL RULE, PLEASE.

MS. BAKER? YES.

MRS. VERGE? YES.

MR. OTTO? YES.

MR. LYONS? YES.

MRS. KITCHEN? YES.

MR. WEBB? YES.

MR. YES.

AND HIS ABSENCE APPROVED? SEVEN TO ZERO.

AND NEXT IS

[6. Approval Of Minutes]

ITEM SIX, A CITY COUNCIL EMAILS NOVEMBER 14TH, 2022.

THOSE HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.

ANY QUESTIONS OR CORRECTIONS FROM ANYONE? OKAY, THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.

NEXT UP, IS IT NUMBER SEVEN, SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.

OKAY.

ON THIS EVENING, MAYOR.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND NUMBER EIGHT, CITIZEN'S

[8. Citizens Comments]

I HAVE ONE THIS EVENING.

UM, MR. JEFF MORFORD, IF YOU PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

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MY NAME IS JEFF MORFORD.

I'M A MIAMI COUNTY BETHEL TOWNSHIP RESIDENT.

AGAIN, MY NUMBERS AND INFORMATION MIGHT NOT BE EXACTLY ACCURATE, BUT I HOPE YOU'LL GET THE IDEA.

I HAVE SOME INFORMATION, IDEAS THAT I BELIEVE MIGHT BE OF INTEREST AS IT RELATES TO ANNEXATION REQUESTS FROM MIAMI COUNTY, BETHEL TOWNSHIP, LAND OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS.

PRIOR TO 2020, BETHEL TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES ACCEPTED A ZONING REQUEST AND BUILDING PLAN RELATING TO 93 ACRES ZONED AGRICULTURAL PER NUMBER A ZERO ONE DASH 5 93.

CHANGING 14 PLUS ACRES TO RESIDENTIAL AND BUILDING SIX HOUSES, THE CITIZENS SUCCESSFULLY CIRCULATED A REFEREND PETITION.

IT WAS PLACED ON NOVEMBER 3RD, 2020 BALLOT.

THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE WAS 767 4 AND 2090, AGAINST WHICH EQUALS OVER 71% AGAINST PUTTING THIS PLAN ON HOLD IN FEBRUARY, 2022.

THESE, THIS 93 ACRES WERE SOLD TO O T I C LLC IN THE FALL OF 2022.

THIS COMPANY WITH CUSTODY HAS 60 ACRES REZONED TO BUILD 20 HOUSES.

THE BETHEL TRUSTEES VOTED TWO TO ONE APPROVING THE REQUEST.

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE RESULTS WILL BE, BUT ANOTHER REFERENDUM PETITION WAS CIRCULATED AND THEN TURNED IN TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 20TH, 2022 TO BE PLACED ON THE BALLOT AGAIN FOR THE BETHEL VOTERS TO DECIDE.

IN MY VIEW, OVER 71% OF THE VOTERS VOTED NO TO SIX HOUSES ON 14 ACRES COMPARED TO THE CURRENT REQUEST OF 20 HOUSES ON 60 ACRES.

TIME WILL TELL BRINGING THIS INFORMATION FORWARD TO HELP YOU REALIZE THAT THE CITIZENS OF BETHEL TOWNSHIP DO NOT WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT, NOR THE ANNEXATION AND DEVELOPMENT FROM HUBERT HEIGHTS.

IN SUMMARY, I, ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2022, NEW CARLISLE CITY COUNCILED 14 AND FIVE, AGAINST AN ANNEXATION REQUEST, WHICH WOULD HAVE ALLOWED A 300 HOUSE DEVELOPMENT.

THE MESSAGE WAS NO TO ANNEXATION.

OVER THE SUMMER, THE MIAMI COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ATTEMPTED TO DENY AN ANNEXATION REQUEST, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND THIS FAILED, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE INTENT WAS NO TO ANNEXATION, REFERRING BACK MY ORIGINAL INFORMATION ABOUT BETHO TOWNSHIP CITIZENS FILING A REFEREND PETITION AND A 71% NO VOTE ON THE NOVEMBER 3RD, 2022 BALLOT.

I MIGHT BE WRONG, .

AND NOW WITH ANOTHER REFER, REPETITION, A LARGER DEVELOPMENT ON THE SAME PROPERTY, THE MESSAGES NO TO BIG DEVELOPMENTS.

THESE THREE EXAMPLES ARE COMING FROM THREE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, BUT THE IDEA IS THE SAME.

NO TO ANNEXATION AND LARGE DEVELOPMENTS.

IN THE PAST, HUBER HEIGHTS HAS VOTED YES TO ACCEPT ANNEXATION REQUESTS FROM MIAMI COUNTY, BETHEL TOWNSHIP, LAND OWNERS SLASH DEVELOPERS.

BUT IF I MAY SUGGEST THAT THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL, ORDINANCE RESOLUTION, THAT WOULD MANDATE THAT FUTURE ANNEXATION REQUESTS IF ACCEPTED BY THE HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, BE PUT ON THE NEXT BALLOT AS A FINAL SAFEGUARD.

THIS WAY THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITIZENS VOTE WILL TRULY BE A REFLECTION AS TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND HOW THEY WANT THEIR COMMUNITY PROCEED BY THEIR NEIGHBORS.

THE EIGHT HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS MIGHT BE VOTING WITH WHAT IS GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICES, BUT MAYBE YOUR CITIZEN HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA AS TO THE DIRECTION OF THEIR CITY.

I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THIS PROCESS WITH A CITIZEN VOTE, WHAT ACT AS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND A CONFIRMATION OF YOUR ACTIONS OR AS AN INDICATOR OF HOW YOUR CITIZENS FEEL AND MAYBE REDIRECTION OF YOUR VOTES TO ALIGN WITH THAT OF YOUR VOTERS.

I KNOW MY EXAMPLES OF VOTER NUMBERS, ACRES OF LAND INVOLVED NUMBERS OF HOUSES IN QUESTION MIGHT SEEM OF LITTLE SIGNIFICANCE COMPARED TO THOSE NUMBERS COST CROSSING YOUR DESK.

BUT THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO US AND OUR WAY OF LIFE.

AGAIN, PLEASE LET OUR COMMUNITY ASIDE WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

PLEASE SAY NO TO ANY FURTHER ANNEXATION REQUESTS.

YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO VOTE YES.

ALSO, THE GOLDEN RULE DUE UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

NEXT UP, DESIGN NUMBER NINE SESSIONS TREASURED TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS. I HAVE ONE TO SPEAK ON.

ITEM 12 A.

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[10. City Manager Report]

BRIAN.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR, UH, TONIGHT'S, UH, FOR TONIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING.

UH, ONE, JUST A REMINDER THAT EARLIER TODAY, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE SENIOR CENTER MET WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM L WC, THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM ENGAGED TO HELP US DESIGN THE CIVIC CENTER.

UH, THIS MEETING WAS SO THAT THE SENIOR FOLKS COULD OFFER THEIR COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS ON THE PROPOSED BUILDING LAYOUT BEFORE, UH, FORMAL DESIGN COMMENCED.

UH, WITH REGARD TO DESIGN, UH, WE DID NOTIFY COUNSEL, I BELIEVE IT WAS AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, UH, THAT WE HAD RECEIVED NUMEROUS BIDS FOR OUR, UH, ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES OR DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING.

BASED ON A REVIEW OF THOSE PROPOSALS, BOTH THE, UH, CITY ENGINEER AND THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER, UH, WOULD LIKE TO INTERVIEW A FEW OF THOSE FIRMS BASED ON THE, UH, REVIEW OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED, UH, PRIOR TO MAKING A FINAL RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL, UH, FOR THE MOST APPROPRIATE FIRM.

AND THEN FINALLY, UH, JUST A REMINDER THAT THIS SATURDAY IS THE ANNUAL CHRISTMAS CONCERT AND TREE LIGHTING, UH, OVER AT THE IKE.

THE EVENT WILL BEGIN AT 5:00 PM WITH COMMENTS FROM THE MAYOR AND THE TREE LIGHTING THE EVENT INCLUDES FREE, EXCUSE ME, UH, FREE HOT CHOCOLATE AND GOODIES, WAGON RIDES, UH, AND PHOTO OPPORTUNITIES WITH SANTA, THE DAYTON SCOTTISH DANCERS, UH, WILL BE IN ATTENDANCE AS WELL AS THE RUSHMORE AND, UH, CHRISTIAN CHURCH, FIRST CHRISTIAN CHURCH CHILDREN'S CHOIRS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR COUNCIL TONIGHT, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING FOR ME.

THANKS.

ANY QUESTIONS, NANCY? SEE RYAN, UH, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO, UM, GET A COPY OF WHAT L WC PRESENTED TO THE SENIOR CENTER AND A COMPILATION OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, SURE.

WE CAN FOLLOW UP, UH, WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH L WC TO GET THAT INFORMATION.

UH, THE, UM, THE FORMAT THAT THEY ARE SEEING, THE FLOOR PLAN, THE LAYOUT THAT THEY HAVE SEEN IS NOT, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY DISSIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO COUNSEL AS PART OF YOUR REVIEW AND EVALUATION BEFORE, UH, THE CLERK AND I MET WITH L WC, BUT WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE ACTUAL FLOOR PLAN IN THE COMMENTARY.

OKAY.

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, UH, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WOULD CAUSE IT TO STRUCTURALLY CHANGE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORTH BY THE, BY THE MEETING TODAY? SURE.

SURE.

NOPE.

UH, I AM HAPPY TO, UH, ONCE, UH, ONCE L C PUTS THOSE COMMENTS TOGETHER, UH, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE A FOLLOW UP TO COUNSEL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON.

NEXT UP IS ITEM 11, PENDING BUSINESS ITEM 11 A.

ITEM 11 A, AN ORDINANCE FOR MAKING APPROPRIATIONS FOR EXPENSES OF THE CITY OF HUB RIGHTS OHIO FOR THE PERIOD BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST, 2023, AND ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2023 AT THE SECOND READING.

AND BRIAN, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? UH, JUST A REMINDER, COUNSEL, THAT THE REQUEST WAS FROM THE FINANCE DIRECTOR THAT THIS ITEM BE MOVED TO A THIRD READING SO THAT ANY FINAL ADJUSTMENTS CAN BE MADE WITH RESPECT TO FUND BALANCES AND ANY LAST MINUTE EXPENSES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY STAFF PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL ADOPTION.

SO WE WOULD COUNCIL MOVE THAT THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE WORK SESSION PASS TIME TO A THIRD READING.

ANY OBJECTIONS? YES, IT, UH, NO OBJECTIONS.

MAYOR BRIAN.

UM, AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE WATER MAIN STUDY.

YES.

WATER SYSTEM STUDY.

AND THE RECOMMENDATION WAS PUT 4 MILLION IN THE BUDGET, UH, FOR CONSECUTIVE YEARS.

UM, UH, YOUR STATEMENTS WERE TO, UM, BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL EARLY NEXT YEAR, AND I THINK, UM, SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS VOICE THEIR, UM, RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT BE BROUGHT BACK SOONER AS OPPOSED TO LATER.

UH, WITH THE BUDGET, UH, COMING UP FOR, UH, VOTE NEXT MONTH, DO YOU ANTICIPATE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE THAT IN THE NEXT WORK SESSION? UH, I RECALL AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, MY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, MY RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL WAS THAT, UM, YOU ALLOW US TIME, UH, YOU ALLOW STAFF TIME TO PUT TOGETHER A MORE, UH, STRUCTURED PRESENTATION ON OUR RECOMMENDATION ON HOW SUCH FUNDS WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE, UM, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD, UH, AND THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE HAD TO RESPOND TO THAT INFORMATION.

AND ITS RELATION TO THE BUDGET.

THAT'S WHAT I RECALL.

YES.

MY COMMENTS BEING AS PART OF THAT.

YES.

I DON'T RECALL THERE BEING A DEFINITIVE DIRECTION FROM THE MAJORITY OF MEMBERS OF COUNSEL TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE BUDGET AS WE HAD PROPOSED.

AND THAT IS ALSO TRUE.

YES.

SO, UM, THAT IS WHY THE BUDGET, AT LEAST AS IT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT FOR THE SECOND READING AND WOULD BE PRESENTED FOR THE THIRD READING, UNLESS WE'RE DIRECTED OTHERWISE TONIGHT, WOULD INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL 1.3 MILLION THAT WE HAD BUDGETED FOR THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.

AND ANY SUBSEQUENT CHANGES TO THAT BUDGET AMOUNT COULD BE MADE BY COUNSEL FOLLOWING PRESENTATIONS LATER IN THE YEAR BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE WOULD BRING FORWARD.

THAT'S

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SURE.

UM, SOONER THAN LATER WAS THE DIRECTIVE THAT WAS PUT OUT, BUT THERE WERE NO DATES AND MONTHS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, BRIAN.

THANK YOU.

SURE.

UH, OUR INTENT IS THE, UM, UH, ONE OF THE AUTHORS OF THE STUDY WILL BE HERE TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS OF THE STUDY, UH, IN GREATER DETAIL THAN OUR INITIAL SUMMARY, BUT IN OBVIOUSLY, UH, A MORE CONCISE MANNER THAN THE REPORT ITSELF, UH, ON, UH, ON FEBRUARY 23RD, I BELIEVE IS THE WORK SESSION THAT THAT, AND I THINK I SEEM TO REMEMBER YOU MENTIONING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, CORRECT? I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE IF YOU MENTIONED IT THE FIRST TIME, BUT I DO REMEMBER YOU SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PRESENTATION TO BE BROUGHT IN.

SO, NO, NO, I, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR THE BUDGET FOR THAT LINE ITEM INCREASE AND THE ANSWER'S NO FOR NEXT MONTH.

AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

CORRECT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

SURE.

YES, GLENN, I CAN ADD TO THAT.

I'LL JUST RESTATE MY COMMENTS FROM THE WORK SESSION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A NUMBER MUCH CLOSER TO THAT 4 MILLION BEFORE I CAN SUPPORT THIS.

UH, I THINK THAT, UH, IT'S VERY URGENT AND IMPORTANT FOR OUR CITY, AND, UM, I BELIEVE WE CAN FIND IT IF WE PUT OUR, OUR NOSE TO THE GRINDSTONE, IT'S, WE FIND IT FOR OTHER THINGS.

I THINK WE CAN FIND IT FOR THIS BEING THIS IMPORTANT.

SO THANK YOU.

YES.

I NEED IT.

I SECOND WHAT GLEN SAID.

I WILL NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF IT UNLESS WE GET MORE INTO THE WATER.

FINE.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

SO WITH NO OBJECT AS WE MOVED ON TO THE, TO A THIRD READING.

OKAY.

NEXT IS ON NUMBER 12, NEW BUSINESS 12

[ A Resolution Establishing And/Or Amending The City Of Huber Heights Organizational Chart And Authorizing The New Personnel Staffing Levels As Detailed Below. (first reading)]

OKAY.

AND I'LL CALL IN, UH, BRIAN FOR MONTHS.

UH, YES, SIR.

AS, UH, COUNSEL WAS BRIEFED IN THE WORK SESSION LAST WEEK, UH, THIS ITEM PROVIDES FOR THE, UH, VARIOUS STAFFING POSITIONS HERE WITHIN, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, THE ORGANIZATION AND THE NUMBER OF THOSE POSITIONS, UH, WE WOULD ASSET COUNCIL ADOPTS ITEM, UH, THIS EVENING.

OKAY.

I KNOW WE HAVE A REGISTERED, UH, COMMENT ON THIS PART TOPIC, BUT AS OF NOW, DO, IS THERE A MOTION? OKAY.

MOVE TO ADOPT PLEASE, NANCY.

SECOND OF A MOTION AND A SECOND.

AND AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION, WE'LL HAVE, UH, THE REGISTERED SPEAKER, PLEASE, MR. VIZ, KINGER, YOU PLEASE COME AND CONFIRM.

GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

UH, VINCE KING, RESIDENT OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

SO TODAY I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION CHART, UM, THAT WAS PRESENTED LAST WEEK DURING THE WORK SESSION.

UM, SO I, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UM, AND I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME OF MY OWN, UM, SO PARDON WITH THE, I HAVE THEM WRITTEN HERE.

UM, SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, UM, I HAD SOME CONCERNS.

UM, I SAW THAT THE, UM, PARTS MANAGER POSITION WAS BEING TAKEN FROM A, FROM THE PARKS MANAGER DOWN TO A PARKS TECHNICIAN.

SO I HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND SOME CONCERNS AS EXACTLY WHAT WILL THAT DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY, WHAT WILL THAT DO FOR THE CITY, FOR THE PARTS, FOR ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO? WHAT WILL THAT DO FOR YOU? UM, SINCE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THAT POSITION IN, UM, 2019, I THINK, AND EVER SINCE, UH, WE DECIDED, OR WE WANTED, THE CITIZENS RECOMMENDED THAT IN THE PARK, SORRY, IN THE MASTER PARKS PLAN, IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, UM, THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE SOMEONE FOCUS AND DEDICATED ON OUR PARKS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THIS TO ME SEEMS LIKE A COMPLETE 180.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING A POSITION THAT IS NO KIDDING, DEDICATED, UM, TO FOCUSING ON OUR PARTS, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE AMENITIES THAT WE NEED, THAT WE'VE HAD THE REPAIRS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN, AND WE'RE DOING A COMPLETE 180.

SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, ARE YOU TRULY IN SUPPORT OF THIS? UM, AND WHAT WILL THIS DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY? WILL WE HAVE SOMEONE FOCUSED ON THAT IN THE FUTURE? ADDITIONALLY, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE A VOICE IN THAT AS WELL.

UM, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, AS A COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE NOT MOVING BACKWARDS.

THIS, TO ME, FEELS AS IF WE'RE MOVING BACKWARDS.

I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, THAT WE LIVE UP TO OUR SLOGAN, COME GROW WITH US, UM, THAT WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING ONE PERSON, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE AN ENTIRE DEPARTMENT

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WE HAVE THE, THE Y M C A AT THE HEIGHTS, WHO'S FOCUSED ON IT.

WE HAVE A CURRENT PARKS MANAGER WHO'S FOCUSED ON, UM, ON NEARLY EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT AND IS TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT HAPPEN.

BUT ONE PERSON CAN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN ON THEIR OWN.

SO WHAT DO THEY RELY ON? THEY RELY ON THE VOLUNTEERS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

THEY RELY ON YOU.

SO WE, WELL, I'LL SAY ME.

UM, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHY WE, WHY DO WE NEED TO MAKE THIS CHANGE, AND HOW WILL THIS NOT ONLY AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THAT INDIVIDUAL AND THEIR FAMILIES AS WELL? AND THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE.

THANK YOU.

THANKS, VINCE.

ANY QUESTIONS? GLENN? NO QUESTIONS.

UM, UH, VINCE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

I TOO HAD SIMILAR THOUGHTS, UM, AND, AND HAD TO KIND OF RE-LOOK OVER EVERYTHING, BUT, UH, I AGREE.

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

I THINK WE HAD MADE A MOVE TO BOLSTER OUR PARKS SYSTEM BY PUTTING IN A PARKS MANAGER.

UM, I HAD HOPED THAT THAT WOULD LEAD TO AN ACTUAL PARKS DEPARTMENT TO THE SIZE OF OUR CITY.

HONESTLY, WE ARE, UH, ONE OF THE LARGEST AROUND HERE.

AND, UH, THE ONES BIGGER THAN US HAVE FULL-TIME PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENTS, AND MANY OF THE SMALLER ONES HAVE FULL-TIME REC, DEPART PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.

UM, I THINK IT WOULD CERTAINLY SERVE OUR CITY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE THAT WE HAVE.

I THINK IT'S MORE THAN, UH, DESIROUS, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S NECESSARY, HONESTLY, WITH THE AMOUNT OF PARK SPACE WE HAVE.

UM, SO NO, I, I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

I THINK THAT, UH, IT FEELS LIKE A MOVING KIND OF, WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS A LITTLE BIT.

UM, AND, AND I'M CURIOUS AS WELL, WHAT, UH, WHAT, HOW DID WE GET TO THAT AND ARE WE FOLDING IT BACK INTO PUBLIC WORKS COMPLETELY OR DOES IT STAND STILL AS A PARK SYSTEM? UM, UH, YEAH, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL STOP THERE.

OKAY.

RICHARD AND DON AND NANCY, BUT I THINK PERSON WHO'S MADE THIS DECISION, I THINK BRIAN CERTAINLY NEEDS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ABSOLUTELY ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

AS FAR AS WHAT I HEARD IN, IN THE, UH, IN BRIAN'S DISCUSSION, THIS DURING THE WORK SESSION, UM, WAS A MOVE TO EFFICIENCY.

UM, THAT WAS KIND OF THE BIG THING THAT, THAT I HEARD AND I TOOK OUT OF IT.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I'M, I, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY I WAS A, A LITTLE FRUSTRATED THAT THIS TYPE OF CONVERSATION AND DIDN'T COME UP AT THE ACTUAL WORK SESSION WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF, RATHER THAN WAITING UNTIL WE GET TO ANOTHER MEETING.

AND NOW HAVING ALL THIS DISCUSSION, I SURELY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, BUT THAT'S WHAT OUR WORK SESSIONS ARE FOR, IS TO HAVE THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION.

AND NOBODY SAID ANYTHING AT THE WORK SESSION.

SO FIRST I'LL GO TO BRIAN, LET BRIAN ADDRESS THE REASONING AND WHY THIS RECOMMENDATION IS BEING MADE FROM A STAFF LEVEL.

AND THEN CERTAINLY BE HAPPY TO GET COUNSEL'S COMMENTS.

SO I, UM, I GUESS I'M, UH, I GUESS I'LL, I'LL JUST READ THE EMAIL THAT I HAD SENT TO ALL MEMBERS OF COUNSEL ON THE 18TH OF NOVEMBER, UH, TO EXPLAIN, UH, WHY THIS, UH, WHY THIS RECOMMENDATION IS BEING MADE.

UH, SO QUOTING FROM THAT EMAIL PARKS TECHNICIAN FORMALLY TITLED PARKS MANAGER, THIS POSITION'S TITLE CHANGE IN REALLOCATION ON THE, THE TO ARE REFLECTIVE OF THE FOLLOWING CONSIDERATIONS.

OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE CITY HAS INVESTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PARK INFRASTRUCTURE.

OPERATIONAL EFFORTS NEED TO EXPAND BEYOND ACTIVATION OF NEW OR UPDATED RECREATIONAL SPACES, SPACES TO INCLUDE GENERAL ASSET OVERSIGHT AND MANAGEMENT.

THIS POSITION IS REFLECTIVE OF MORE TIME SPENT IN THE FIELD ADDRESSING ASSET MAINTENANCE AND MANAGEMENT ISSUES TO PROTECT THE CITY'S RECENT INVESTMENTS.

OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY IS ALSO A KEY REASON FOR THE REALLOCATION OF THIS PO EXCUSE ME, FOR THE RELOCATION OF THIS POSITION IN THE, TO THE PARKS DIVISION HAS NO MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT OR STAFFING OF ITS OWN RELYING ON SUPPORT FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION IN THE PAST.

THIS CONDITION HAS CREATED SITUATIONS WHERE THE WORK NEEDS OF THE PARKS CONFLICT WITH THE WORK OF PUBLIC WORKS.

LOCATING THIS POSITION UNDER THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION SHOULD SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE THESE WORK CONFLICTS AND INCREASE, INCREASE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY.

THE Y M C A IS PLANNING TO INCREASE THEIR PROGRAMMING OUTREACH IN 2023 TO A NUMBER OF OUR FACILITIES, INCLUDING THE SENIOR CENTER COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THE EEL BERGER WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE ACTIVITIES, AND THROUGH THE UTILIZATION OF OTHER TECHNICAL ADVANCEMENTS OF THE Y M C A FUNCTIONS OF THE PARKS MANAGER POSITION, SUCH AS PROGRAMMING AND FACILITY RESERVATIONS ARE NOT INTERNALLY NECESSARY MOVING FORWARD.

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RICHARD, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, IN LIGHT OF, UH, DISCUSSION EVENTS, I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

UM, AND, AND MARY, TO YOUR POINT, UH, THERE WAS NO CONVERSATION AT THE WORK SESSION.

UM, THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO, UH, TO REVIEW, UM, AND, AND FURTHER SLEEP ON, UH, THIS MATTER.

UM, I HAVE A SECONDARY ISSUE, NOT JUST WITH THE PARKS, BUT ALSO WITH OUR, OUR TAX DIVISION AS WELL.

I'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT OUR TAX DIVISION NEEDS HELP.

UM, I HAVE SPOKEN DIRECTLY TO CURRENT AND PREVIOUS EMPLOYEES OF THE TAX DIVISION.

THEY NEED HELP.

UM, AND, UH, MERIT TONIGHT.

MY REQUEST TO FURTHER THIS CONVERSATION IS TO PUSH US OFF TO, UH, THE NEXT WORK SESSION FOR ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION, UH, IN DISCUSSION, UH, ON THE MERITS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED.

THANK YOU.

ANY COMMENTS? IT, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, UH, I TOO HAD TIME, UH, TO THINK AND DIGEST ABOUT THIS.

UH, BRIAN, I DO APPRECIATE YOU REMINDING US ABOUT THE EMAIL YOU SENT OUT IN NOVEMBER, UH, OR EARLIER.

UM, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

I, I DO FIND IT, UM, UH, A LITTLE BIT HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW, UH, MOVING, UH, THE DIRECTOR OF OUR PARKS UNDERNEATH THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, DIRECTOR, UM, SEEMS LIKE THAT, WELL, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SEEM, IT IS MOVING ANOTHER LAYER OF DECISION MAKING OVER THE PARKS.

AND FOR EFFICIENCY, IT SEEMED, IT, IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT TO HAVE IT COMPLETELY SEPARATE DECISIONS MADE.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THE CITY MANAGER YOURSELF WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE IF THAT IS GOING TO GO HAPPEN.

AND THEN IF IT DOES, THEN IT GETS PUT ON THE SCHEDULE FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR WORKS THAT IN WITH HIS SCHEDULE.

SO NOW IT'S, UH, THE ORG CHART SHOWS IF OUR, UH, PUBLIC WORKS TECHNICIAN, DID I, OR, UH, OUR PARKS TECHNICIAN, DID I GET THE NAME RIGHT? TECHNICIAN NOW? YES.

UM, OUR PUBLIC OR OUR PARKS TECHNICIAN REQUESTS SOMETHING, THEN PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR CAN UM, SAY NO.

AND THEN IT'S, IT'S DEAD THERE.

SO I, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S MORE EFFICIENT.

THAT SEEMS LESS EFFICIENT TO ME.

WELL, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT IS LESS EFFICIENT, BUT, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

UH, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT WITH THE EXTRA TIME I'VE HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT.

UM, ON A SEPARATE SUBJECT, UM, I NOTICED THE ORG CHART DOESN'T HAVE, UH, NUMBERS, UH, ON EACH INDIVIDUAL POSITION, BUT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THE ORG CHART HAS, UH, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF POSITIONS BROKEN DOWN.

UH, IN THE FIRE DIVISION, THERE'S 63 FULL-TIME POSITIONS.

UM, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC NON-SUPERVISORY POSITIONS? WOULD YOU KNOW? I WOULD NOT, SIR, BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAD ASKED THE FIRE CHIEF TO BE IN ATTENDANCE AT THE WORK SESSION, SO THAT IN THE EVENT YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION, WE WOULD HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PERSON HERE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

BUT YOU DID NOT ELECT TO ANSWER OR ASK THAT QUESTION AT THAT TIME, SO, RIGHT.

UM, I'M, I'M UNFORTUNATELY WITHOUT AN ABILITY TO ANSWER THAT SPECIFICALLY.

OKAY.

UH, ONE THING, IT IS IN THE LEGISLATION ITSELF, UM, ABOVE THE TO, UH, WHERE IT LISTS BY, UM, POSITION THE NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH POSITION.

OKAY.

I NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

LEGISLATIVE IS SPEAKING, I BELIEVE WE ADOPTED LEGISLATION TO HIRE ADDITIONAL THREE FIREFIGHTERS, WHICH WOULD BRING THE NUMBER FROM 39 TO 42.

WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AT LEAST 37 TIMES THAT I CAN THINK OF.

YES.

I WOULD SAY 42 FIREFIGHTERS.

YES.

42 FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS.

YES.

40, 39 THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, PLUS THREE AS IT ALWAYS HAS.

YEP.

EQUALS 42.

THERE IT IS.

ON PAGE ONE OF THE RESOLUTION.

YEP.

RIGHT THERE.

OKAY.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, AND MAYOR, I, I UNDERSTAND, SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH THAT STATEMENT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND, I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH WHAT PEOPLE THINK OR FEEL ON THIS ISSUE.

I'M NOT EITHER.

I'M CONCERNED MY PAST THE MATH, MY PAST EXPERIENCE HAS SHOWN I LIKE TO.MY I'S AND CROSS MY T'S CUZ SOMETHING CHANGES IN ONE ORG CHART, THEN IT'S DONE.

SO, BUT ANYWAY, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MAYOR.

THAT'S WHAT THE LEGISLATION HAS BEEN THAT WE APPROVED THREE, FOUR MONTHS AGO.

39 PLUS THREE EQUALS 42.

THANK YOU, DON.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

VINCE, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU ASKED US HERE, BECAUSE WE DID GO INTO THIS IN SOME DETAIL AND TALKED ABOUT IT.

AND AT THE SIMPLEST EXPLANATION, WHAT WE HAD WAS,

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HE HAS NO STAFF, HE HAS NO, THERE'S NOTHING DEDICATED TO THE PARKS MANAGER.

SO THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAD CREATED WAS, WE HAD A PARKS MANAGER WHO LITERALLY HAD TO GO BACK TO HIS BOSS EVERY TIME.

I CAN'T SAY HIS BOSS TO HIS PEER, TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND SAY, I NEED THESE GUYS TO DO THIS.

I NEED THESE GUYS TO DO THAT.

IT'S JUST MY UNDERSTANDING.

I DON'T SAY IT AS A STEP BACKWARDS, I SEE IT AS A MORE EFFICIENT UTILIZATION BECAUSE PUBLIC WORKS ON PARKS ARE THE, THE PEOPLE WHO TAKE CARE OF THE PARKS ARE IN PUBLIC WORKS, PUBLIC WORKS.

UM, UH, TO ME, WE ARE ELIMINATING THIS LOOP AROUND THAT OUR PARKS MANAGER HAD TO GO THROUGH TO GET THINGS DONE.

I THOUGHT BRIAN EXPLAINED IT, UH, CLEARLY WHEN, UH, HE MADE THE STATEMENT THAT AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THE PARKS, WHAT DO WE CALL THIS GUY AGAIN? YEAH.

DIRECTOR, WHATEVER, UM, THAT, UH, UM, HE WOULD BE REPORTING TO THE PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER AND THEREFORE THEIR COMMUNICATION WOULD BE, UM, MORE IN LINE WITH GETTING THE JOB DONE.

SO I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

I THINK IT'S A, A MATTER OF, UM, ALIGNING THINGS SO THAT THEY WORK.

WHERE BEFORE WE HAD OUR PARKS MANAGER OUT THERE WITH ZERO SUPPORT.

I, LIKE YOU, WHEN THE PARKS MANAGER CAME UP, I WAS, UH, I WAS A HUGE CHAMPION FOR THAT.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS ONE GUY OUT THERE DOING IT ALL BY HIMSELF WITHOUT A SUPPORT STAFF UNDERNEATH HIM MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.

I SUPPORT THE REALIGNMENT AS IT IS.

THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH.

YES, NANCY? YEAH.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK BRIAN FOR REREAD REREADING THE, UH, EMAIL HE SENT OUT, BECAUSE I, I INTERPRETED IT EXACTLY AS, AS YOU STATED, THAT, UM, THAT IT WAS FOR EFFICIENCY.

AND SO, UM, I, I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

UM, AND, AND THE OTHER THING, BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE HERE, IT IS REALLY UP TO DEPARTMENT HEADS TO DICTATE WHAT THEIR MANPOWER REQUIREMENTS ARE.

NOT COUNSEL.

WE CAN HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON IN THERE.

AND TO TALK TO AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON WITHIN A DEPARTMENT IS JUST NOT THE WAY THAT YOU DECIDE WHAT MANPOWER REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT COMES FROM THE LEADERSHIP.

UM, THE, UM, I THINK WHAT WOULD CLEAR THIS UP MORE THAN ANYTHING WOULD HELP VINCE AND, AND, AND COUNSEL AND, AND ANYONE ELSE THAT'S LISTENING IS THAT, UM, IF, IF BRIAN, IF YOU COULD REAFFIRM THE STAFF'S COMMITMENT TO THE DIRECTION THAT THE PARKS HAVE BEEN GOING IN UP TO THIS POINT AND WHERE YOU PLAN FOR IT TO GO IN THE FUTURE, REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU HAVE REALIGNED THE STAFF.

OKAY, SURE.

THE, UM, THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS NOT TO GO BACKWARDS, BUT TO GO FORWARD.

AND AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE INVESTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN OUR PARK ASSETS AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THOSE ASSETS.

AND WHEN, AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, BOTH IN MANPOWER, UM, AND BOTH IN, UM, IN EQUIPMENT ARE BEING ALIGNED ACCORDINGLY.

SO THE IDEA HERE IS THAT, UM, THE PARKS TECHNICIAN WILL PIVOT MORE TOWARDS THE OPERATIONAL COMPONENT AND LESS TOWARDS THE PROGRAMMING COMPONENT BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER RESOURCES WHO CAN SUPPORT THE PROGRAMMING COMPONENT THAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR.

AND THAT SOMEBODY WITH, UH, THE PARKS MAN, THE PARK MANAGERS OR THE PARK TECHNICIANS SKILLS, UH, AND HIS KNOWLEDGE BASED ON THE TRAINING THAT HE'S BEEN AFFORDED, WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN THE FIELD MORE OFTEN AND UTILIZE THOSE SKILLS AND THAT INFORMATION AND, UH, UM, THOSE CERTIFICATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EQUIPMENT AND THAT THE ASSETS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS INVESTED IN

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THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION, TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, SIR, THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DICTATE AND TO DEDICATE AND TO FOCUS EMPLOYEES THE WAY THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES DO.

AND SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AND LOOK AT NEW WAYS TO TRY AND ACCOMPLISH WHAT IT IS WE WANT TO DO.

I DON'T WANT, WANT THIS TO BE A FAILURE.

I DON'T WANT THIS TO NOT BE SUCCESSFUL.

I AM RECOMMENDING THIS BASED ON MY 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND AN ASSESSMENT OF THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE AND THE NEEDS AND THE WANTS OF THIS COMMUNITY.

IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE'LL TRY SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT THIS ISN'T INTENDED TO SET BACK IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

THIS IS INTENDED TO PIVOT TO THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US IN RESOURCES AND IN PERSONNEL AND ADVANCE WHAT IT IS THIS COMMUNITY WANTS.

AND THAT'S ALL THAT IT IS.

SO THAT IS WHY I RECOMMENDED WHAT I'VE RECOMMENDED.

THAT IS WHY I THINK THIS IS THE BEST STEP FORWARD, AND THAT IS WHY THE TO HAS BEEN PRESENTED IN THE WAY THAT IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.

I WOULD ASK THAT ALL OF YOU CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS TONIGHT, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD VOTE FOR IT, BUT I RECOGNIZE THAT YOU ARE THE ONES WHO CAST THE VOTE AND CAST THE VOTE FOR YOUR, UM, FOR WHAT, FROM WHATEVER YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS.

BUT THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT ONE POSITION IN THE ORGANIZATION.

THIS TO AFFECTS SEVERAL HUNDRED, 220 SOME ODD POSITIONS AS WELL.

SO WHAT YOU DO TONIGHT FOR MAYBE ONE POSITION, BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT YOU ARE USED TO, HAS AN ABILITY TO AFFECT 200 AND SOME OTHER POSITIONS THAT ARE JUST AS MEANINGFUL OR JUST AS VALUABLE AND JUST AS IMPORTANT.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO I JUST HAD ONE FOLLOW, ONE QUESTION.

SO WITH THAT SAID, UM, OTHER THAN, SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THE Y WOULD TAKE ON SOME ADDITIONAL PROGRAMMING, UM, THE MUSIC SERIES AND ALL THE OTHER PROGRAMMING THAT WE'VE BEEN GROWING TOWARDS, WHO WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE ON THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES? OR WOULD WE BRING THAT BACK? RIGHT.

SO THERE WAS A TIME AND A PLACE FOR ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS.

THESE ARE ALL CONVERSATIONS THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE.

THESE ARE ALL CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE PLANNED TO HAVE, BUT CERTAIN THINGS HAVE TO HAPPEN IN A CERTAIN ORDER JUST BY THE NATURE OF HOW OUR BUSINESS WORKS.

SO WE ARE PREPARED TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE WITH THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE AND THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE'S WORK TO DATE HAS BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR AND CONSIDERED.

AND THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF EVERY GROUP INVOLVED ARE GOING TO BE MET TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.

BUT THIS IS THE FIRST DOMINO THAT HAS TO FALL IN A SERIES OF OTHER CONVERSATIONS AND A SERIES OF OTHER ACTIONS.

SO ONCE THIS LEGISLATION PASSES, WE'LL HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS INTERNALLY WITH STAFF.

WE'LL HAVE SOME, UM, WE'LL HAVE SOME MEETINGS TO ENSURE THAT VARIOUS ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE CLEARLY ASSIGNED, BOTH INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY.

WE'LL MEET WITH OUR EXTERNAL PARTNERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ON BOARD WITH ALL OF THOSE.

AND THEN WE'LL CIRCLE AROUND TO ALL OF OUR ADVISORY GROUPS AND ALL OF OUR VOLUNTEERS AND MEET WITH ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHO HAS ASSIGNED WHAT.

BUT NONE OF THOSE CAN HAPPEN UNTIL THE FIRST DOMINO FALLS.

AND THIS IS THE FIRST DOMINO.

SO WE HAVE THOUGHT AND CONSIDERED ALL OF THESE MATTERS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES.

AND THIS JUST SIMPLY HAPPENS TO BE WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN FIRST.

OKAY, MAYOR? YES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU MR. KING FOR COMING FORWARD AND TALKING TO US.

I APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT AND INPUTS.

UM, I WAS IN FAVOR OF THIS TO PIGGYBACK ON COUNCILMAN WEBS COMMENTS.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD BY PUTTING THIS UNDER PUBLIC WORKS, NOT ONLY DOES THIS TEAM LEAD, WHAT'S THAT, THEIR PART NAME FOR THE POSITION? PARK, PARK TECHNICIAN.

THANK YOU.

NOT ONLY WILL THEY HAVE A TRUCK, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE LAWN MOWERS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A TOOL SHOP.

I MEAN, IT'S ALL KIND OF GOES IN THERE TOGETHER.

THEY HAVE A SIGNS TO MAKE THE SIGNS.

I MEAN, IT'S ALL IN THAT ANGELINA, IF YOU WILL.

THAT'S WHY I WAS IN FAVOR OF THIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

OKAY, SO THERE IS A, UH, A MOTION MADE BY KATE IN A SECOND BY NANCY.

SO THEN WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR RICHARD TO MOVE TO A THIRD READING.

KATE, I GUESS IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, KATE, WE NEED TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION.

AND THE ANSWER WOULD HAVE TO WITHDRAW THE SECOND OR CALL THEM IT.

YES, GLENN, I WOULD SUPPORT RICHARD'S RECOMMENDATION TO

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MAY I ASK WHY? SOME MORE DISCUSSION AS TO, UM, I MEAN, CAN WE, CAN WE PULL THAT SINGULAR SECTION BACK OUT IF THAT'S THE BIG HITCH ON THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART? AND, UH, THAT COULD BE MAYBE CONSIDERED FOR, UH, A LATER TIME.

IF, IF SO, IF THAT'S, UH, APPROPRIATE OR IF WE CAN COME TO A, A AGREEMENT THAT, THAT WOULD WORK BEST.

AND SO BE IT.

I'M SORRY.

UM, HOW DO WE MAKE AN ASSESSMENT THAT MOVING THAT POSITION TITLE FROM ONE, FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER IS GOING TO IMPACT HOW, UH, THE POSITION OPERATES? I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU BASICALLY, WE, WE CAN'T WITHDRAW THAT ONE, THAT ONE POSITION AND PASS THE BUDGET LEAVING THAT ONE PERSON HANGING.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

WE, YEAH, WE COULD TURN THAT BACK.

ABSOLUTELY.

NO, YOU COULDN'T.

YOU'RE GOING, BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE IT OUT OF THERE, THEN WE'RE GONNA APPROVE A BUDGET.

NO, THIS IS THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE GONNA APPROVE.

I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT REAL QUICK.

SO WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A DISCUSSION WE'RE AT NOW.

IS, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE BY KATE AND NANCY, YOU'VE SECONDED THAT MOTION.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE TIME FOR ARGUING AND DISCUSSION ON THIS AT THAT POINT IS OVER, UNLESS WE DO MOVE THIS TO A THIRD READING.

I'M SORRY, SECOND READING, BUT KATE HAS TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION FIRST.

IF KATE DOESN'T WITHDRAW THE MOTION, YOU DON'T WITHDRAW THE SECOND.

WE'LL TAKE A VOTE AND WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES.

OKAY.

TONY, CALL THE ROPE, PLEASE.

MRS. VERGE.

YES.

MR. OTTO? NO.

MR. LION? NO.

MRS. KITCHEN? NO.

MR. WEBB? YES.

MR. SHAW? YES.

MS. BAKER? YES.

FAILS FOUR TO THREE.

OKAY.

NEXT UP IS ITEM

[ A Resolution Establishing And/Or Amending The Salary Ranges And Wage Levels For Employees Of The City Of Huber Heights, Ohio. (first reading)]

ITEM 12 B, A RESOLUTION, ESTABLISHING AND OR AMENDING THE SALARY RANGES AND WAGE LEVELS FOR EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS OHIO.

HIT THE FIRST READING.

BRIAN.

UH, THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, FOR THE VARIOUS POSITIONS, UH, WITHIN THE CITY'S TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, THIS LEGISLATION SETS THE SALARY RANGES FOR THOSE POSITIONS.

WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL ADOPT THIS MATTER.

WE HAD ASKED THAT COUNCIL ADOPT THIS MATTER TONIGHT.

UH, BUT I GUESS IN LIGHT OF, UM, BEEN APPROVED, THE FIRST ITEM, DID THIS CHANGE? NO.

WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL, WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL, MOVE ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT, PLEASE.

YEAH.

CAUSE THIS AFFECTS EVERYTHING THAT WAS YES, SIR.

THAT JUST FAILED IN THE PREVIOUS ITEM.

SO, OKAY.

SO WE WON'T DO ITEM 12 B.

OH, NO, NO.

I'M, I'M SORRY, SIR.

WE WOULD, WE WOULD ASK THAT WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU ADOPT THIS MEASURE THIS EVENING.

YEAH.

CAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE TITLE IS.

IT'S THE SAME MANPOWER.

OH, IT'S NOT.

OKAY.

WELL, THE, IT DOES LIST IN THE SALARY RANGES BY POSITION TITLES.

SO THERE WOULD BE, LIKE, THE PARKS TECHNICIAN WOULD BE ON THIS ALSO, UM, WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.

IT'S A ACCOMPLISHED, UM, CORRECT.

HOWEVER, UM, HOLD ON ONE MOMENT, PLEASE.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE PASSED TO ANOTHER READING.

AND THEN IF THERE WAS GONNA BE SOMETHING BROUGHT BACK THAT RELATES TO ITEM 12 A, THEN, UM, THIS ONE COULD BE AMENDED TO REFLECT WHATEVER CHANGES ARE MADE WITH THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART.

UM, OR IT COULD BE VOTED IN, YOU KNOW, SO THERE ARE OTHER PROVISIONS WITHIN THIS CHART THAT MATTER.

AND SINCE OR WITHIN THIS LEGISLATION, AND SINCE EFFECTIVELY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE POSITION THAT I'M AWARE OF, UM, THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS LEGISLATION ARE MORE IMPORTANT, UH, WITH REGARD TO ALL OF THE REMAINING POSITIONS.

SO WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL, ADOPT THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION TONIGHT.

OBVIOUSLY WITH THE FAILURE OF THE PREVIOUS LEGISLATION, UM, UH, WITH THE FAILURE OF THE PREVIOUS LEGISLATION, NONE OF THE POSITION TITLES ARE CHANGING.

AND, UH, SO THEREFORE, WE WOULD ASK THAT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM BE ADOPTED TONIGHT.

UM, AND SINCE I HAVE THE FLOOR, MR. MAYOR, IF YOU MIGHT INDULGE ME FOR JUST ONE MOMENT, I WOULD REMIND COUNSEL THAT THIS LEGISLATION AND THE LEGISLATION PRIOR ARE NOT JUST ABOUT POSITIONS, BUT ARE ALSO ABOUT PEOPLE.

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SO I WOULD ASK, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL I CAN DO, THEN I WOULD ASK THAT THOSE OF YOU WITH CONCERNS UTILIZE THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH MY OFFICE IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC FORUM SO THAT I CAN ADDRESS ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AS THOROUGHLY AS I CAN IN THE MOST APPROPRIATE VENUE BEFORE WE'RE BACK IN THIS ROOM WHERE WE HAVE TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT OUR COMMENTS, AND WE HAVE TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT, UH, OUR STATEMENTS ON NOT JUST OUR POSITIONS WITHIN THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, BUT OUR EMPLOYEES.

I WOULD REMIND YOU OF THAT.

AND WITH RESPECT TO THOSE COMMENTS, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ADOPT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION IN CONSIDERATION FOR ALL OF THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE IN THOSE POSITIONS.

BRIAN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BACK UP AND SAY, APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

AND I WILL SAY THE SAME THING.

WE'VE, WE'VE ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE BEFORE ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBERS COMING TO COUNCIL MEETINGS, NOT PREPARED AT THE WORK SESSION TO ADDRESS THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE AGENDA.

WE HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE WE COME TO WORK SESSIONS AND NOBODY SAYS ANYTHING.

EVERYONE KEEPS THEIR MOUTHS CLOSED.

THEY DON'T HAVE DISCUSSION.

BRIAN'S ON EMAIL, WELL IN ADVANCE OF A WEEK REGARDING THIS, THAT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER GOT.

AND THEN TONIGHT WE HEAR, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME.

SO I'VE HEARD A LOT OF, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME LATELY.

THAT'S WHAT THE POINT OF THE WORK SESSIONS ARE FOR.

I'M GOING TO EVENTUALLY ASK THEN, WHY DO WE STILL HAVE WORK SESSIONS IF WE HAVE ALL THIS DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL MEETINGS? THE IDEA OF THE WORK SESSIONS, IT SEEMS TO BE IN MONUMENTAL WASTE OF TIME IF YOU DON'T COME TO THE WORK SESSION PREPARED TO DISCUSS THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND WAIT UNTIL THE COUNCIL MEETING.