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I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION TO ORDER AT 6:01 PM.UM, GOODNESS AND FEEDBACK, HUH? SOMEBODY.
UM, SO, WELL, PAUL, JUST, UH, SAY HERE OR, UH, PRESENT, UM, WHEN YOUR NAME'S CALLED, UH, MR. ALLEN HERE, MR. FANNON HERE.
MR. HENDRIX, MR. HENDRICKS, I THINK YOU'RE MUTED.
THE SWITCH TOLD MY CORD WAS MUTED.
UH, SO YOU'RE PRESENT MR. KITCHEN, MR. OTTO HERE, MR. WAMSLEY HERE.
AND MR. WEBB, MR. WEBB IS NOT JOINED US YET.
UM, AS I, UH, OUTLINED IN THE EMAIL, THIS IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US NOW THAT THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN APPOINTED AND EVERYBODY'S IN PLACE, UH, TO GET TOGETHER AND KIND OF HAVING AN ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING TO KIND OF SET THE PATH FORWARD FROM THIS POINT.
[ Oaths Of Office - Ordinance Review Commission]
SO THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA ITEM TWO A WOULD BE TO ADMINISTER THE OATH OF OFFICE TO EACH OF YOU, UM, UH, FOR THIS POSITION.SO, UH, WE CAN DO THESE AS A GROUP AND, UM, WE'LL PROBABLY DO A CEREMONIAL, UH, RIO THING ONCE WE'RE BACK IN PERSON TOGETHER.
AND I'LL HAVE YOU SIGN THE FORM AT THAT TIME, BUT, UH, FOR THE PURPOSES OF NOW, WE'LL JUST DO IT HERE.
SO I'D ASK EVERYBODY TO RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND TO, UH, REPEAT AFTER ME, IN TERMS OF THE I AND STATE YOUR NAME, YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM
THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE IS CHARGED TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
SO HELP ME, GOD, GOD, CONGRATULATIONS, EVERYONE.
WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY FOR THIS COMMISSION.
[ Introductions]
UM, TO BE ON OUR AGENDA.UM, I JUST PUT DOWN INTRODUCTIONS.
I, I RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW EACH OTHER, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY ELSE, UH, DIRECTLY.
SO, UM, I THOUGHT WE'D JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND GO AROUND AND LET EVERYBODY JUST SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT THEMSELVES.
UH, SO YOU KIND OF KNOW THE BACKGROUND OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO, UM, I THINK EVERYBODY'S MET ME, SO I'LL, I'LL FOREGO THAT, BUT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH JIM.
UM, YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS? UM, MY NAME'S JIM ELLIS.
I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HUBER HEIGHTS SINCE APPROXIMATELY 1982.
UH, I SERVE ON CITY COUNCIL FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS UP UNTIL THE END OF 2011.
UM, I WAS ON THIS COMMISSION TWICE BEFORE, UH, ONCE PRIOR TO HIS BEING ON COUNCIL AND ONCE AS A LIAISON BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION.
AND, UH, I AM A, UH, AN ATTORNEY IN PRIVATE PRACTICE.
MY OFFICE IS DOWNTOWN DAYTON AND, UH, I CAN, UH, EITHER THANK OR BLAME GLENN FOR GETTING ME ON INVOLVED IN THIS COMMISSION.
HE CAN'T, SO WE NEED, WE NEED SEASONED PROFESSIONALS.
UH, HOW ABOUT JONATHAN? WELL, I'M JOHN PAYNE AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT YOU WERE HIRED SINCE ABOUT 2013.
I WORKED FOR THE STATE OF OHIO AND I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE HUBER HEIGHTS BASKETBALL LEAGUE,
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BUT I'LL LOG OFF.I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HUBER HEIGHTS SINCE I ALWAYS GET CONFUSED.
UM, I MOVED HERE BECAUSE I MOVED INTO MY WIFE'S HOUSE AND SHE LIVED IN HUBER.
UM, I PREVIOUSLY LIVED IN DAYTON FOR ROUGHLY 10 YEARS BEFORE THAT I LIVED IN XENI.
I GREW UP IN XENIA, UM, OR SOUTH TANZANIA.
UH, I'M A SOFTWARE ENGINEER FOR NORTHROP GRUMMAN.
UM, I'VE GOT BOTH, UH, A MASTER'S DEGREE IN, UH, UH, UNDERGRAD IN COMPUTER SCIENCE.
OH, AND THEN I, YEAH, MY WIFE AND I, WE HAVE, UH, TWO KIDS, UM, TWO AND A HALF AND ALMOST A YEAR.
UM, SHE'S OUT WITH A FRIEND WALKING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW.
WELL, WE GOT TWO DOGS, SO I SEE A SQUIRREL OUT BACK.
I'VE BEEN IN G RIGHT SINCE 2009.
I HAVE, UH, I WORKED FOR STATE AUTO INSURANCE.
IT'S AN INSURANCE COMPANY OUT OF COLUMBUS.
I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN POLITICAL SCIENCE.
I HAVE BEEN IN THE HEBREW HEIGHTS COMMUNITY.
MY NAME'S JERRY WAMSLEY FOR ABOUT 23 YEARS.
UM, I'VE RAISED TWO KIDS THAT HAVE GRADUATED FROM THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
I HAVE A THIRD ONE THAT'S IN THERE.
UM, I'M A FEDERAL MORTGAGE BANKER.
I WORKED FOR THE UNION BANK COMPANY AND THEN I'M ALSO A LICENSED, UH, WHILE REAL ESTATE SALES PERSON.
NO, I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH EVERYONE HERE BEFORE.
SO NOT MUCH TO, TO, TO INTRODUCE ABOUT MYSELF.
I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UM, I'LL BE, I'M HAPPY TO BE SERVING WITH ALL OF YOU ON THIS COMMISSION.
AND THAT, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, DON IS OUR SEVENTH MEMBER, UH, DON'S A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF PAPER HEIGHTS AND A CURRENT MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTING MORE TOO.
UM, AND HE WILL BE JOINING US AS WE GO THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AS WELL.
UM, WE KIND OF FALL INTO A SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE TO HOW THIS OPERATED 10 YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, THE DECISION WAS MADE TO HAVE TWO COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES, BE MEMBERS OF THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION AND THEN FIVE CITIZEN MEMBERS.
UM, I'M NOT A VOTING MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION.
I AM HERE AS YOUR STAFF LIAISON AND FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT, UH, STAFF SUPPORT IN TERMS OF, UH, CARRYING ON SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS AND WORK THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO TAKE PLACE IN BETWEEN THE MEETINGS OF THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION.
AND, UM, THAT WAS A ROLE I PERFORMED 10 YEARS AGO AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF BE BRINGING SOME OF THE BAND BACK TOGETHER AGAIN HERE.
UH, WITH THAT THEN, UM, I JUST ITEM
[ Background Information - Ordinance Review Commission]
TWO C UH, IT WAS JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION.UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT AWARE, THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION IS ESTABLISHED AS PART OF A PROCESS OUTLINED IN THE HUMAN RIGHTS CITY CHARTER, UH, SECTION FIVE OH EIGHT D.
AND IT SAYS WITHIN TWO YEARS AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THIS CHARTER, AND AT LEAST EVERY 10 YEARS THEREAFTER, THE COUNCIL SHALL APPOINT AN ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION OF NOT LESS THAN SEVEN ELECTORS OF THE CITY.
IT SHALL BE THE DUTY OF THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW THE CITY CODE IF ONE EXISTS AND OTHER ORDINANCES OR RESOLUTIONS OF THE CITY, AND TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL FOR THE ELIMINATION OR REVISION OF PROVISIONS OF THE CITY CODES AND OTHER ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS, WHICH MAY IN THE OPINION OF THE COMMISSION HAVE OUTLIVED THEIR USEFULNESS OR PRACTICALITY.
THE COMMISSION SHALL SUBMIT ITS REPORT TO COUNCIL WITHIN YEAR AFTER ITS APPOINTMENT.
COUNCIL MAY TAKE ANY ACTION AT ITS DISCRETION AS A DEEMS WARRANTED WITH RESPECT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMISSION.
SO IN A NUTSHELL, THAT KIND OF SPELLS OUT THE PROCESS.
THIS IS BASICALLY UP TO A ONE-YEAR PROCESS.
UM, YOU GUYS WILL BE GOING THROUGH AN EXHAUSTIVE REVIEW OF THE CODES AS WELL AS CITY ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, EVALUATING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES, ADDITIONS, OR DELETIONS, UH, TO, TO THOSE, UM, DOCUMENTS, UM, AND MAKING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS IN A FINAL REPORT, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED BY A COUPLE OF OUR MEMBERS, THE LAST, UH, ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION 10 YEARS AGO WAS INAUGURATED IN 2010 ABOUT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR.
AND, UH, WENT UNTIL NOVEMBER OF 2011.
UM, AS WE INDICATED, WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS ON THIS COMMISSION THAT SERVED ON THE LAST ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION.
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AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT.DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D WANT TO ADD TO THAT, THAT OUTLINE? NO, I, I THINK YOU COVERED IT.
MY PHONE'S GOING TO RUN ALL THESE POLITICAL CALLS.
DON'T KNOW HOW TO SHUT THIS OFF.
[ Election of Chair/Vice Chair]
ITEM TWO D UH, IS THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, UM, FROM THIS POINT, UH, THE CHAIR WOULD BE THE PERSON THAT WOULD BE RUNNING THESE MEETINGS AND, AND HELPING GUIDE THE DISCUSSION AND THE PROCESS FORWARD.UM, AND I WOULD, I WOULD GO BACK TO MY STAFF LIAISON ROLE.
UM, WE DO ELECT A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR, SO THAT IN THE ABSENCE OF THE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR COULD STEP IN AND PERFORM THAT FUNCTION.
UM, SO, UH, THIS IS STANDARD PROCESS WITH ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
SO WE WOULD, UM, START BY ASKING IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS AN INTEREST IN SERVING AS THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, AND WE'LL SEE, WHO'S INTERESTED AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE ALL JUMPER, NOBODY.
OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION OF SOMEONE YOU'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, TO SERVE AS THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, THAT WOULD ALSO BE A POSSIBLE, WELL, DON'S NOT HERE CAN HOOK HIM PRETTY EASY, ACTUALLY.
JIM, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN SHARING THIS COMMITTEE WERE FINE JOB? YEAH, I WILL AGREE TO DO LIKE, UM, TIME, TIME SOMETIMES CAN BE PRESSING FOR ME, BUT OTHERWISE I'M FINE.
UM, SO, UH, IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A NOMINATION FOR, UM, JIM ELLIS IS THE CHAIR FOR EMOTION.
WE'LL, WE'LL VOTE ON THAT NOMINATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MOTION TO NOMINATE JIM ELLIS AS OUR CHAIR.
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION? OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION HE'S, HE'S THE GUY THAT, THAT TWO TIMES BEFORE, RIGHT? YEAH.
CAN I, YOU CAN KEEP US MOVING, JIM.
WE'LL CALL THE ROLE THEN ON THAT MOTION TO APPOINT JIM ELLIS AS CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION.
MR. WEBB IS NOT ABSENT MR. ELLIS.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN TURN OVER THE SELECTION OF THE VICE CHAIR TO YOU AND LET YOU PROCEED WITH THE REST OF THE AGENDA.
UM, I'LL BE, I'LL BE HERE TO HELP YOU.
UM, SIMILARLY, AS TONY MENTIONED, UM, WE NEED TO APPOINT AND ELECT A VICE CHAIR TO, TO, UH, THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, RUN THE MEETINGS.
AND, UH, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON I CAN'T BE PRESENT.
UM, SO IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED AND SERVING IN THAT SLOT? DON'T LEAVE ME HANGING OUT HERE ALL BY MYSELF FOLKS.
IF YOU WANT TO NOMINATE SOMEONE, THAT'S FINE.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE GLENN AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE BOTH OF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED ON HOW THESE THINGS SHOULD PLAY OUT AND THE PROCESS AND KEEPING US FOCUSED ON, ON THE TOPICS.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE, AT LEAST FOR MY FIRST YEAR, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LEARNING EXPERIENCE THAT I CAN LEARN FROM BOTH OF YOU.
GLENN, ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT? SURE.
I THINK THE LAST GO ROUND TWO.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A NOMINATION FROM JERRY WAMSLEY.
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UM, IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND JOSEPH HENDRICK SECONDS.AND ANY DISCUSSION HEARING NONE.
I'LL CALL THE ROLE MR. HENDRIX.
[ Ordinance Review Commission Process Discussion]
MOVING ON NEXT TO THE, THE ACTUAL PROCESS DISCUSSION.UM, AS I MENTIONED, I'VE BEEN ON, I'VE SERVED ON TWO AND THE METHODOLOGY THAT WAS USED, UH, THE FIRST GO ROUND WAS WHERE THE VARIOUS SECTIONS OF THE CODE AS WE WORKED OUR WAY THROUGH, IT WERE DIVIDED UP SO THAT, UM, CERTAIN PERSONS ON THE COMMITTEE REVIEWED CERTAIN SECTIONS AND THEN BROUGHT BACK REPORTS.
THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS, THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE REVIEWED ALL THE SECTION SECTIONS AS WE WENT THROUGH.
AND BASICALLY WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE DIVIDE UP THE, UH, THE, THE, THE CODE ORDINANCES AND SAY, OKAY, THIS NEXT MEETING, WE'D BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THESE SECTIONS, YOU KNOW, FROM CODE SEXUAL 1.01 TO WHATEVER.
UM, AND, UH, I PERSONALLY, I FOUND THAT TO BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER BECAUSE I THINK WE GOT MORE INPUT FROM ALL THE MEMBERS, UH, SINCE THEY, WE WERE ALL LOOKING AT THE SAME THINGS AT THE SAME TIME, UM, CLAN, YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THAT, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT? I WASN'T THERE FOR THE FIRST GO ROUND, BUT I THOUGHT IT WENT PRETTY SMOOTH LAST TIME.
IT DID GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THROUGH ALL OF IT AND BRING WHATEVER COMMENTS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE OR SUGGESTIONS.
UM, I ALSO LIKE HOW IT WAS KIND OF BROKEN DOWN BY THE WEIGHTINESS OF EACH SUBJECT.
WE KIND OF PUT A WHOLE LOT IN A BASKET WHEN WE HAD LIGHTER SUBJECTS.
AND THEN WHEN WE GOT TO THE HEAVIER ONES, WE SHRUNK THOSE DOWN TO GIVE US MORE TIME TO, TO PULL DETAILS.
SO I THOUGHT IT WORKED OUT VERY OKAY.
AND, UH, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, GLEN, WHEN WE WOULD GET INTO THE VARIOUS SUBSTANTIVE AREAS OF THE CODE, WE WOULD, A LOT OF TIMES HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM STAFF WHO WOULD BE PRESENT TO HELP, UM, BRING THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE TO THE VARIOUS ORDINANCES.
I, I RECALL WE HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM POLICE FIRE, UH, THE, THE WATER COMPANY, UH, WE HAD PRETTY MUCH EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD CAME IN WHEN THEIR SECTION CAME INTO PLAY FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND THEY WOULD GIVE THEIR OPINION ON IT.
AND AGAIN, I THOUGHT THAT WORKED OUT WELL, CAUSE THEY, THEY, I DO RECALL THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE PICKED UP AND POINTED OUT FROM THEM THAT WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT.
SO YEAH, WITH THEM BEING, HAVING THEIR FEET ON THE GROUND AND IT, THEY BROUGHT A PERSPECTIVE THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE.
AND I HAVE DISCUSSED ALREADY WITH, UH, THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY STAFF ABOUT THIS PROCESS AND THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THEY WOULD BE ENGAGED IN THEIR RESPECTIVE AREAS OF, OF THE CODE REVIEW.
UM, AS WELL AS WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR, UH, BEING AVAILABLE TO RUN ISSUES OF LEGALITY AND, UH, SUCH BY, UM, IN TERMS OF INTERPRETATIONS OF THE CODE OR REWRITINGS OF THE CODE THAT THE LAW DIRECTOR WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS AS WELL.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE, THE OUTSIDE END OR THE, THE END OF IT.
UM, AS TONY MENTIONED EARLY ON THE, ONE OF THE, UM, THE END PROCESS WILL BE A REPORT ISSUED BY THE COMMISSION, UM, AFTER WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE ORDINANCES.
UM, AND THEN WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL, UH, FOR THEIR REVIEW TO DETERMINE THOSE THINGS THAT WE FELT THAT, UH, MIGHT BECOME, YOU KNOW, W WARREN, UH, LOOK BY THEM FROM A LEGISLATIVE POINT OF VIEW.
AND, UM, IN THE PACKET THAT EVERYBODY GOT TODAY, I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS THE SUMMARY OF ALL THE VARIOUS ORDINANCES THAT WERE REVIEWED, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE.
UH, SOME OF THE THINGS REQUIRED TO GO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE THERE WERE LIKE TONY MENTIONED LEGALITY INVOLVED.
AND SO WE WANTED THE CITY ATTORNEYS TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE IT WENT TO COUNCIL, AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT, AND THEN ALL THE VARIOUS THINGS WHERE THE STATUS WAS COMPLETED.
AND TONY, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE, WHEN IT SAYS STATUS COMPLETED, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT WAS ACTED UPON BY COUNCIL OR JUST OUT OF COMMITTEE? YES.
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IN THE PACKET WAS THE FINAL REPORT WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE END OF THE LAST, UH, ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION.UH, THE COMPLETION REPRESENTS, UH, COUNCIL ACTION ON THOSE ITEMS. UM, I THINK IN THE REPORT COMPLETION MEANT THAT IT HAD GONE THROUGH ALL OF OUR REVIEW, BUT I DO KNOW THERE WAS THIS A SEPARATE FOLLOW-UP WITH COUNCIL AND, UM, I BELIEVE ALL, BUT ONE LITTLE MINOR ITEM, UH, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS PREVIOUSLY WERE, UH, SUBSEQUENTLY ENACTED BY COUNCIL INTO, UH, THE, OKAY, THANK YOU.
UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE REPORT THAT WAS ATTACHED, YOU KNOW, UM, WE DID A FAIRLY, A VERY THOROUGH REVIEW AND NOT ALL OF THE CODE SECTIONS ARE ACTUALLY MENTIONED, BECAUSE IF THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WE RECOMMENDED, ANY CHANGES OR ANY, UH, FURTHER REVIEW BY COUNCIL, THEN THOSE WERE NOT MENTIONED.
SO NOT ALL THE GENERAL DEFINITIONS, UH, WERE, WERE SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT AND RECOMMENDATIONS MADE.
SO, UM, BUT, UH, AND THEN THE OTHER THING TOO IS, AND I FOUND, AND GLEN, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER WE ALSO, AT THE END, WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THE VARIOUS RESOLUTIONS THAT WERE ADOPTED BY THE CITY.
UM, AND THOSE WENT VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE'S, THEY WERE LIKE 500 OF THEM.
IF I RECALL SOMETHING OF A VERY LARGE NUMBER, BUT MOST OF THOSE WERE VERY SPECIFIC ITEM, UM, UH, RESOLUTIONS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S A RESOLUTION GIVING SOMEBODY AWARD.
SO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS DON'T REALLY REQUIRE ANY ACTION OR YOU DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO REVISE OR GET RID OF THEY'RE JUST CAUSE THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE CODE, BUT WE DID LOOK AT THEM AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS REALLY PART OF THE MANDATE FOR THIS CONVENTION OR NOT.
WE, WE DID IT, BUT, AND, UH, WE STILL, LIKE WE DID BACK THEN MAINTAIN A LOG OF ALL THE ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS BY TITLE.
UM, SO WE WENT BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO THE COMMISSION AGAIN, UH, WITH THE CURRENT LOG OF ABOUT THE ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS, IN ADDITION TO THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES, UH, TO PROVIDE, AT SOME POINT DURING THE REVIEW NOW, TONY ARE ALL THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES ON THE WEBSITE, OR WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO BE DOWNLOADED AND EMAILED TO EACH ONE OF US SO THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM, WE'LL HAVE THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE CODE.
UH, THE W THE WEBSITE IS CURRENT.
UM, SINCE WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE, UH, BACK THEN WE USED TO WORK WITH OUR CODIFICATION PROVIDER AND ONLY UPDATE THE CODE ANNUALLY.
UH, WE WERE WITH THE NEW PROVIDER NOW WHERE THEY UPDATE THE CODE, UM, EVERY QUARTER.
SO, UH, THERE'S A LOT MORE FREQUENCY TO THE UPDATES AND GETTING THAT INFORMATION CODIFIED IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER.
UM, BUT WE COULD ALSO MAKE A PDF COPIES, UM, OF THE CODE SECTIONS AS THEY'RE SCHEDULED FOR REVIEW AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE, IF THEY WOULD LIKE THAT.
IN ADDITION TO THE ACCESS TO THE, UH, THE ONLINE CODE, THE ADVANTAGE WITH THE ONLINE IS YOU HAVE MORE SEARCHABILITY, UH, CAPABILITIES AND, UH, THAT, UH, REFERENCE LINKS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA FIND, UH, THAT OUR COMFORT LEVEL WITH ONE OR THE OTHER METHODS, EITHER A PDF OR THE, THE INTERACTIVE CODE ITSELF.
THE SHOW, HOW LONG AGO IT WAS, WE HAD THE BIG GREEN BOOKS WHEN THE LAST TIME I DID IT, WE HAD TO WEAR THOSE THINGS AROUND.
I GOT REAL STRONG DURING MY BOOK.
I'VE, I'VE STAYED UP, WE STILL HAVE, UH, A FEW COPIES OF THE GREEN BOOKS.
UH, BACK THEN WE HAD ABOUT 30 COPIES, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO REDUCE WASTE AND IN THE UPDATE AND MAINTENANCE OF THOSE BOOKS, UH, WE'RE DOWN TO ABOUT 10, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UH, BUT WE DO HAVE A FEW HARD PAPER COPIES OF, UH, THE ENTIRE CODE AS WELL.
UM, WE JUST ALSO, UH, WHEN WE WENT TO THE NEW PROVIDER, WE REPUBLISHED THE CODE, UH, IN 2019.
SO IT'S BEEN RECENTLY REDONE AND, UM, ALL RECONFIGURED AND MADE A LITTLE BIT NICER AND A LITTLE BIT MORE ORGANIZED.
I WILL MENTION ALSO IN THE PACKET THAT I SENT OUT, UM, I DID INCLUDE THE TABLE OF CONTENTS OF THE CURRENT CODE.
AND, UH, THAT GIVES YOU KIND OF AN IDEA OF THE SCOPE OF THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE CODE.
UM, IT GOES FROM, UH, PARTS ONE THROUGH 15, BUT THERE'S ONLY PARTS FOR THE ODD NUMBER, UM, UH,
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ARE ODD NUMBERED SECTIONS THROUGH ONE AND 15.SO IN TOTAL THERE'S EIGHT, UH, MAJOR PARTS TO THE CODE, STARTING WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE AND WORKING THROUGH SUCH THINGS AS THE GENERAL OFFENSES CODE, THE TRAFFIC CODE, THE BUILDING CODE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING CODE, UM, AND, AND SO FORTH.
UM, SOME OF THOSE ARE MORE AS JIM KIND OF REFERENCED MORE INVOLVED AND MORE IN DEPTH THAN OTHERS, UM, AND MIGHT NEED TO BE BROKEN UP INTO SMALLER PIECES.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN A MONTH'S TIME, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, DILIGENTLY GET THROUGH LIKE THE PLANNING AND ZONING CUT IN ONE SETTING.
SO, UM, WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT, AS WE GO ALONG PIECEMEALING SOME OF THE OVERALL PARTS, UM, INTO SMALLER SECTIONS FOR YOU, I'M TONY, YOU HAD MENTIONED TAKING EACH SECTION AND CREATING PDFS THAT YOU COULD DO.
WOULD THAT BE MUCH WORK? WOULD IT BE A LOT OF WORK FOR YOU? NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S RELATIVELY SIMPLE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE NICE AS WE'RE FOCUSED ON WHATEVER SECTION OF COATS THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT SECTION BY ITSELF TO JUST LOOK AT THAT AND NOT HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DIG THROUGH THE WHOLE DEAL.
SO, YEAH, IT'S NOT HARD TO DO A PDF IF WE WERE GOING TO DO A TON OF PRINTING.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PAGES, BUT, UH, IF EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WORKING WITH, UH, ELECTRONIC DOCUMENT, THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT FROM OUR END.
UM, IN TERMS OF GOING FORWARD BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SET A SCHEDULE, UM, WHAT I WAS GOING TO, AND AGAIN, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE CODE, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW MUCH, WHAT KIND OF VOLUME WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
UM, BUT TO KIND OF GET EVERYBODY'S FEET WET AND KIND OF GET A SENSE FOR WHAT THE CODE LOOKS LIKE, HOW IT'S LAID OUT.
UM, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WOULD WANT TO MAYBE LIMIT THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE LOOK AT NEXT MEETING TO, IF YOU'VE GOT THE TABLE OF CONTENTS HERE, PART ONE, TITLE, ONE UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, IT'S THE GENERAL PROVISIONS, AND IT'S BASICALLY, UH, ABOUT 27 PAGES.
I THINK OF DOCUMENT OF, OF CODE, I BELIEVE.
AND THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN KIND OF GET A FEEL BETWEEN NOW AND THEN EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE CODE, HOPEFULLY GET ONLINE, KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN ITS TOTALITY, TERRI, YOU KNOW, STATE, BUT THEN ALSO W SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT THOSE PROVISIONS THAT WAY.
AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON, GIVE US SOMETHING TO DO AT THE FIRST MEETING, ACTUALLY SUBSTANTIVELY, AND THEN HOPEFULLY BETWEEN NOW AND THEN EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT, DO WE WANT TO TACKLE, YOU KNOW, TITLE THREE AND FIVE NEXT, OR JUST TITLE THREE.
UM, AND, UH, CAUSE I, I, THE ONE THING I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN YOU GET TO TITLE FIVE UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE, IT'S A FAIRLY, IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT LARGE A NUMBER OF PAGES, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SUBSTANCE OF THERE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, BUT UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE CODE, YOU REALLY, IT'S HARD TO KIND OF SAY, OKAY, WELL, LET'S DO THIS SECTION UNTIL YOU HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THAT SECTION ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE.
YEAH, JIM, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
WE COULD BE PREPARED TO, UH, DISTRIBUTE, UM, NEXT WEEK FOR EVERYBODY'S REVIEWED THAT INITIAL SECTION.
AND THEN, UM, MAYBE EVERYBODY COULD ALSO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST KIND OF GENERALLY BROWSE THE CODE, TO GET A FEEL FOR THE VOLUME OF, UH, AND SCOPE OF THE VARIOUS SECTIONS.
AND, UM, AT THAT NEXT MEETING, WE COULD MAYBE BREAK IT DOWN INTO MANAGEABLE CHUNKS TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LOOK FORWARD TO HOW WE MIGHT PROCEED WITH THOSE, UH, WITH THE REST OF THE CODE FROM THERE SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, IT SEEMED THAT SEEMED TO WORK GLASGOW ROUND TOO.
SO, AND THEN I WOULD EXPECT THAT I WOULD DEVELOP SOME SORT OF TRACKING MECHANISM TOO, LIKE WE DID BEFORE TO TRACK, UH, YOU KNOW, DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE IN CHANGES AND RECOMMENDATIONS AS BEING DONE, AND THEN FILTERING THOSE THROUGH A PROCESS OF STAFF AND, AND LEGAL REVIEW, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THAT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD AS WE MOVE ON TO OTHER ITEMS AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING A COMPILATION AS WE NEAR THE END OF THE PROCESS OF ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN TOTALITY.
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OKAY.ONE THING THAT WE DID, I, THE LAST TIME THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL WAS WHEN WE MET THE VARIOUS CODE SECTIONS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WERE PUT UP ON A SCREEN.
SO WE COULD ALL LOOK AT THEM TOGETHER, UM, IN THE ERA OF REMOTE MEETINGS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK WITH SO THAT WE COULD ALL KIND OF LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON OUR COMPUTER SCREENS, WHAT THE CODE SECTION IS SO WE CAN ALL MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME PAGE, THE SAME LANGUAGE.
THERE IS A IN MICROSOFT TEAMS, A FUNCTION WHERE YOU CAN UPLOAD A DOCUMENT, LIKE I CAN PUT A DOCUMENT UP NOW AND EVERYBODY BE ABLE TO SEE IT ON THE SCREEN AND SHARE, UM, THAT WOULD REPLACE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW WITH EVERYBODY'S FACES.
UM, AND, UH, THAT IS AVAILABLE.
WE, I KNOW FROM THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, SOMETIMES WE HAVE SOME TECHNOLOGICAL DIFFICULTIES, UH, WITH IT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WORKS SOMETIMES BETTER THAN OTHERS, BUT, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, FOR SURE.
AND IF WE GET BACK TO, UM, A SITUATION WHERE WE ARE HAVING IN-PERSON MEETINGS, UH, WHICH FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK MAYBE IS A LITTLE MORE USEFUL.
UM, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROJECT THAT ON THE SCREENS IN THE, IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, UM, AS WELL.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS SIZE GROUP, IF WE'RE NOT OPENING THE MEETINGS TO THE PUBLIC AND WE MOVED IN PERSON MEETINGS, THERE IS SUFFICIENT DISTANCE, PROBABLY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS TO, YOU KNOW, WORK OUT, UH, THE SEATING ARRANGEMENT THAT WOULD NOT PUT ANYONE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER.
UM, IF, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE DECIDED TO MOVE AT SOME POINT, I'D SAY THE QUICKER WE COULD GET US TOGETHER, PHYSICALLY, PROBABLY THE BETTER FOR THE SUBJECTS.
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I GUESS THEN MOVING ON TO, UM, A MEETING SCHEDULE, UM, IF I RECALL LAST TIME WE DID, BASICALLY WE MET ABOUT ONCE A MONTH.UM, AND FOR ME PERSONALLY, THE ONLY NIGHT I CANNOT MEET AS TUESDAY NIGHT AS TONY REMEMBER, THAT'S MY BOWLING NIGHTS.
SO I HAVE A PRIOR CONFLICT, BUT ANY OTHER EVENING I CAN MAKE IT.
SO, UM, I'M WIDE OPEN TO WHAT NIGHT OF THE WEEK THEY WOMEN.
AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, GLEN AND DON'S GOT CONFLICTS BECAUSE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS, BUT WEDNESDAY NIGHTS ARE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.
UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT, UM, WE DID, AS YOU MENTIONED, LAST TIME, HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS THAT ALLOWS SOME TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO REVIEW THE SECTIONS THAT THEY HAVE IN THE INTERVENING PERIOD, AS WELL AS FOR STAFF TO, UH, PURSUE REWRITES AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TASKS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO US AS WELL AS GETTING THE MINUTES OF THE MEETINGS PREPARED AND STUFF.
UM, THE ONE LIMITATION THAT WE HAVE IS, UM, THAT THE AVAILABILITY OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, UM, BECAUSE THE STREAMING EQUIPMENT, UM, THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO GIVE THE PUBLIC ACCESS THROUGH THE LIVE STREAM AND THE RECORDING OF THE MEETINGS, UM, AS SUCH WE'RE DOING TONIGHT, UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT COUNCIL CHAMBERS ROOM IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, THERE'S ONLY LIMITED NIGHTS OF AVAILABILITY THAT EITHER COUNCIL IS NOT USING THE ROOM OR THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ALREADY HAVE A REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULE.
SO I DID REVIEW THAT, UM, UH, THE THERE'S THREE NIGHTS OF THE MONTH THAT ARE STILL AVAILABLE ON A REGULAR ROTATION.
IF WE WANT TO TRY TO STICK WITH A REGULAR, UH, MEETING NIGHT EACH MONTH, UM, THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH, UH, WOULD BE ONE, UM, IT'S FREE ALL NIGHT THAT, THAT EVENING, THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH, WHICH WAS TONIGHT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE FIRST MONDAY OF EACH MONTH IS ALSO A POSSIBILITY, UH, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE IN NOVEMBER ON THAT DATE, UH, BECAUSE COUNCIL'S ALREADY HAS A COMMITMENT IN THERE AS THEY CHANGE THEIR MEETING BECAUSE OF ELECTION DAY.
SO, UM, THOSE WOULD BE THE THREE BEST OPTIONS FOR FLEXIBILITY ON TIME AND ACCESS TO THE RECORDING EQUIPMENT AND IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS ROOM ITSELF.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S LIKE ANY OF THOSE THAT SOUND LIKE IT SAID, I ABSOLUTELY CAN'T DO THAT ONE.
WE CAN JUST KNOCK IT OUT AS A DISCUSSION AND WORK FROM THERE.
WITH ANY OF THE THREE I AM AS WELL.
DO WE WANT TO JUST DO THE THIRD WEDNESDAY THEN SINCE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, WE CAN DO THAT.
I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THE THIRD WEDNESDAY, IF IT IS BETTER
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THAN THE SECOND WEDNESDAY.CAUSE, UH, SECOND, WEDNESDAY NEXT MONTH WOULD BE VETERAN'S DAY AND THE CITY WOULD BE CLOSED.
SO, UM, WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE A CONFLICT FOR THAT DAY.
WHEN WE GOT WITH THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH, UH, THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE NOVEMBER 18TH.
AND THEN, UM, DECEMBER 16TH WOULD BE THE DECEMBER MEETING, UM, AT THE I'LL ACCEPT THE MOTION TO, UH, SCHEDULE THE MEETINGS GOING FORWARD EACH ONE EACH MONTH ON THE THIRD, WEDNESDAY, IS THERE A MOTION OR WE WANT TO SET A TIME WITH THAT SIX O'CLOCK.
IS THAT GOOD FOR EVERYBODY? YEAH.
THERE IN PERSON, I MIGHT HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING THERE BY SIX O'CLOCK.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I CAN PROBABLY GET THERE AT SIX O'CLOCK.
I, IF I HAD TO, IF I HAD 30 MORE MINUTES, I PROBABLY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET, GET THERE ALMOST EVERY TIME IF IT'S AN IN-PERSON MEETING VIRTUAL.
UM, IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT FOR SETTING THE MEETING SCHEDULE IS THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH AT 6:30 PM.
UH, SO WE NOW HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULE.
SO, UM, TONY, SOMETIME BETWEEN THE NEXT FEW DAYS, YOU'LL BE GETTING US THE, UH, THAT FIRST SECTION OF THE CODE FOR US ALL TO LOOK AT.
AND YOU CAN EXPECT THAT BY THE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK.
UH, LAST NIGHT HE WAS KIND OF, UH, WITH SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING RECENTLY, I WAS LIMITED INTO WHAT I COULD DO.
SO, UH, YOU GOT IT RATHER LAST MOMENT THAT I, MOST OF YOU TO KNOW ME KNOW I'M, UH, VERY SAD ABOUT SCHEDULES AND ROUTINES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO KEEP THINGS MOVING.
SO, UM, MOVING FORWARD YOU'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION MUCH MORE IN ADVANCE THAN YOU WOULD.
UH, THEN YOU GOT LAST, LAST NIGHT FOR THIS MEETING.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO BRING UP BEFORE WE ADJOURN? NOPE.
I WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
THE MEETING MOTION TO ADJOURN.
IS THERE A SECOND BY SECOND SUGARY? OKAY.
WELL, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU.
UM, YOU WILL, BY THE END OF THE DIME, YOU WILL PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT MORE HOW THE CITY WORKS AND YOU PROBABLY CARE TO KNOW EXACTLY.
WELL, THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR TAKING THE TIME AND, AND WORKING WITH US TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO THIS POINT, UM, WHERE WE APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYBODY.
SO, UH, HAVE A GREAT EVENING AND WE'LL BE IN TOUCH SOON.