* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. AND WELCOME TO [1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call:] THE CFPB HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION. TODAY'S DATE IS OCTOBER 5TH, 2020, AND WE'RE GETTING STARTED AT SIX OH TWO HERE IN LOT OF FEEDBACK AND THERE, I JUST TURNED IT DOWN. TURN IT DOWN. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT OUR AGENDA IS TO OFFICIALLY CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER MR. ROGERS, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. SHAW IS BAKER IS ON HER WAY. MR. CAMPBELL HERE. IT SAYS BIRTH MRS. BERG. MR. OTTO, ERIC. MR. LYONS, MR. HILL HERE. MR. WEBB HERE, MIRA GORE HERE. UH, BEFORE WE GET TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, HEBREW HEIGHTS I'D WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO KEEP OUR RIGHTS AS SUFFERED SOME, SOME PRETTY GREAT LOSSES OVER, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. AND I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON THAT BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE GET STARTED IN THE MEETING, UH, FIRST OFF, UH, WAS ACTUALLY MR. SHAW HAD MESSAGED ME IN THE MORNING, LET ME KNOW THAT CAROL MOSS HAD, HAD PASSED AWAY. AND CAROL WAS AN EXTREMELY PART OF THIS COMMUNITY IN RELATION TO THE YOUTH AND OUR FAMILIES. UH, SHE WAS INVOLVED IN THE, ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE, UH, OR YOUR SOCCER CLUB. AND I HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS WHO'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT SOCCER PROGRAM, UH, WHOSE KIDS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT PROGRAM. AND IT'S JUST, UH, I'M NOT SURE ANYBODY CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT TYPE OF A LOSS, UH, CAROL IS, UH, TO THIS COMMUNITY. SHE SERVED AS RECENTLY AS 2017, WHEN OUR PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, SHE WAS JUST EXTREMELY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. AND, UH, WE CERTAINLY SOME THAT OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS TO HER FAMILY CAROL WILL BE GREATLY MISSED BY THIS COMMUNITY. WE ALSO LOST ANOTHER LONGTERM COMMUNITY MEMBER, MR. BRUCE DOLL. I'M NOT SURE, UH, HE WAS INVOLVED IN OUR SCHOOLS. SO ALMOST THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I WAS IN THE HEBREW HIGH SCHOOLS FOR THOSE 12 YEARS, MR. DAHL WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD AND HE SERVED ON THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR 16 YEARS. AND AGAIN, REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE YOUTH OF THE COMMUNITY. HE WAS A WRESTLING COACH. HE TAUGHT, UM, AND XENIA HIGH SCHOOL FROM 1971. UP UNTIL THE TIME HE RETIRED, HE TAUGHT THERE FOR 34 YEARS. UH, HE WAS A WRESTLING COACH. HE WAS ARRESTING OFFICIAL. HE OFFICIATED SEVEN OR EIGHT DIFFERENT OHIO STATE WRESTLING TOURNAMENTS. UH, SO THAT WRESTLING COMMUNITY, AND, YOU KNOW, AT WAYNE, WE HAVE A HUGE WRESTLING COMMUNITY. AND AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER, UH, TREMENDOUS LOSS AS SOMEBODY WHO GAVE MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS TO THIS COMMUNITY. SO, UH, AGAIN, BRUCE DOLL, WE ALSO SIMILAR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS FOR YOUR FAMILY, HIS YOUNGEST SON, MIKE, I GRADUATED WITH IN 1990 FROM WAYNE, HIS OTHER SON, GARY, UH, GARY DAHL IS BEEN WITH THE RIGHT CITY SCHOOLS, FOLLOWED IN HIS DAD'S FOOTSTEPS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. UH, HE GRADUATED FROM WAYNE 97. HE'S CURRENTLY THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR THE HEBREW HEIGHTS CITY SCHOOLS. SO AGAIN, ANOTHER, UH, TREMENDOUS LAWSUIT WISH THAT FAMILY THE BEST UNCOMFORT IN THIS TIME, A LITTLE MORE OF A PERSONAL LEVEL. UM, MATT CHOMPER WAS A, HAS BEEN A FRIEND OF MINE SINCE HIGH SCHOOL, VERY CLOSE FRIEND, ONE OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS. IN FACT, UM, BEFORE I WAS ABLE TO DRIVE, MATT PICKED ME UP EVERY DAY AND BROUGHT ME TO SCHOOL AND HIS SILVER CHEVETTE. AND PRIOR TO ME EVEN BEING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND RIDING WITH FRIENDS, MATT'S MOTHER, SARAH WAS MY SCHOOL BUS DRIVER. SARAH WAS ALSO THE SPOUSE TO THIS CITY'S FIRST MAYOR. AND ONE OF OUR CITY'S FOUNDING FATHERS, UH, MAYOR DICK SCHUMPER. DICK WAS THE MAYOR FROM 1981 TO 1986. UH, I KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING OVER AT MATT'S HOUSE AND AROUND HIS MOM, SHE WAS LIKE A SECOND MOM TO ME. AND A LOT OF MY FRIENDS WHO WERE, UH, SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THE SHOPPER HOUSEHOLD, UH, ESPECIALLY DURING THOSE YEARS WHEN DICK WAS THE MAYOR. AND I REMEMBER SEEING ALL THE CANDIDATE POLITICAL SIGNS IN THE GARAGE AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE THINGS. SO LOTS OF GREAT MEMORIES. AND AGAIN, MATT BEING SUCH A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, HE CALLED ME THIS AFTERNOON TO LET ME KNOW. AND IT WAS VERY QUICK, VERY SAD. AND SHE PASSED TODAY AT HOSPICE ABOUT ABOUT 4:30 AM LEAVE. IT WAS SO AGAIN, JUST VERY RECENT. I KNOW THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT DICK SPENT IN THE CITY. MMM. UH, MR. CAMPBELL, YOU [00:05:01] WERE AROUND, YOU KNOW, BACK THEN, YOU KNOW, A TIME THAT HE'S DONE WITH THE CITY, CERTAINLY HAVING A, UM, A SPOUSE WHO'S UNDERSTANDING AND SUPPORTIVE OF ALL THE TIME THAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN TO GET HEBREW HEIGHTS TO EVEN BECOME A CITY AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WAS HAPPENING AT THAT TIME AS DAYTON WAS ATTEMPTING ANNEXATION, UH, WITH MR. MANITA, ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN MAKING KEEPER HEIGHTS, WHAT IT IS. SO, UH, SARAH WAS THE FIRST, FIRST LADY OF THE CITY AND SHE IS GOING TO BE GREATLY AND DEEPLY MISSED AS WELL. AND YOU HAVE TO MY FRIEND, MATT, UH, I'M SORRY, BROTHER. I WE'VE BEEN THERE. AND, UH, SO YEAH, MY, MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. SO THIS HAS BEEN A, THIS HAS BEEN A TOUGH WEEK, UH, FOR SOME HUGE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I JUST WANT TO TAKE THE TIME BEFORE WE GOT STARTED TODAY, UH, TO, TO BRING REMEMBRANCE TO THEM AND, AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT THEY MADE. AND AGAIN, THEY WILL, THEY WILL BE SORELY MISSED. UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I WOULD ASK, IS THERE ANYBODY YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING OR, UH, JUST THAT MAY HAVE KNOWN THEM, OR JUST ANY GENERAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? YES, MS. RADO, UH, I, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH ANY OF THE OTHERS OUTSIDE OF, UH, DICK, SHAWN PERE. HE WAS A BROTHER WITH ME AND AT THE LODGE, UM, AND HE WASN'T, HE WAS A GREAT GUY. UM, BUT, UH, OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'LL SPEAK TO, UM, CAROL MAS, UM, HER AND HER HUSBAND, AND INDEED WERE A DRIVING FORCE IN HUBER HEIGHTS BEHIND THE, UM, THE SOCCER PROGRAMS. AND REALLY JUST, I MEAN, JUST CREATED THAT SOCCER COMMUNITY HERE IN NEWBURG HEIGHTS. SHE WAS HIGHLY INVOLVED IN AND I AGREE WELL DEARLY. YES. THANK YOU, MS. TROTTER. YES. MR. DERRICK, OUR FIRST MAYOR, HE PASSED AWAY IN 2009, JANUARY OF 2009. SO YES, MR. CAMPBELL, WHAT STANDS OUT TO ME THE MOST IS THAT WE'VE LOST, UH, THREE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE CAN HONESTLY LOOK BACK AND SAY THAT THEIR ENTIRE FAMILIES HAD VOLUNTEER HEARTS. UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, MS. SHOPPER WAS, UH, RICHARD'S BETTER HALF AND ALL WE SUPPORTED HIM. AND, UH, IF IT WASN'T FOR DICK SHOPPER, WE WOULDN'T BE IN A CITY. UM, BRUCE DOLL, AGAIN, HIM AND HIS ENTIRE FAMILY, HIS SON CONTINUES THE TRADITION, UH, CAROL MOSS. THERE IS A LADY THAT WAS A TRUE VOLUNTEER. I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING SHE EVER ASKED BACK. SHE ALWAYS CAME. SO, UH, THREE TREMENDOUS, UH, INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES. MY HEART GOES OUT TO ALL THREE. THINK OF MR. KIMMEL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ANYTHING, ANYTHING ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SAY BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YES. MR. SHAWN, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, LIKE YOU, MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE FAMILIES OF THE ONES THAT, UH, WE'VE LOST, UH, THIS WEEK, UM, IN THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS, OUR, OUR COMMUNITY IS DEFINITELY MORNING. UM, SOME, SOME TRUE LEGENDS, UM, W WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, MEREDITH IT IS MY REQUEST THAT I ASKED THIS COUNCIL TO AMEND TONIGHT'S AGENDA TO ADD AGENDA ITEM AT THE END. IT IS MY REQUEST THAT WE HAVE THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS LOOK TO HONOR AND MEMORIALIZE CAROL MAS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. UM, IT IS MY REQUEST TO, UM, RENAME THE SECTION OF FISHBURG ROAD BETWEEN TROY PIKE AND RIP RAP ROAD, UM, IN HONOR OF CARA MAS AND THE DEDICATION THAT SHE HAD PROVIDED TO THIS COMMUNITY, UM, THIS CITY AND THE YOUTH OF THIS CITY, UM, UH, NOT ONLY, UH, WITH THE OHIO SOCCER ASSOCIATION, UM, WHERE YOUR, UH, THE PARKS AND REC BOARD, THE, OUR OWN PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN THAT WE USE TODAY AS SHE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING TO CREATE. UM, I MEAN, WE COULD SIT HERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AND SAY SO MANY GOOD WORDS. UM, YOU KNOW, JUST RECENTLY A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, RECEIVED ONE OF THE HIGHEST HONORS OF THE CITY AND A KEY TO THE CITY. UM, AND, UH, IT IS, IT IS MY REQUEST THAT THE CITY, UM, UH, FULLY HONOR HER AND THAT WAY. UM, SO EVERY TIME THAT VISITORS TO OUR COMMUNITY OR FOLKS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY VISIT THE WARRIOR SOCCER COMPLEX, UM, NOT ONLY ENTERING INTO THE CARROLL AND HANK MAS FIELDS, UM, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, TRAVELING DOWN THE ROAD THAT SHE TRAVELED SOME SO MANY TIMES, UH, TO COACH SO MANY OF OUR YOUTH AND, AND SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY. SO I WOULD MAKE THAT REQUEST HERE TONIGHT, MARE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. SHAW. UH, THIS IS A INTERESTING [00:10:01] TIME AS THIS ALL HAPPENS. MR. SCHOMER HAD, HAD BROUGHT UP TO ME OR EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT ANOTHER POSSIBLE DEDICATION AROUND IN NEBRASKA, NEBRASKA AVENUE THERE. UM, SO I THINK IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, UH, IF, IF COUNCIL WAS HE TO AMEND THIS AGENDA ITEM, WHEN WE ADD THAT THERE, IF WE COULD ALSO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE ISSUE THAT YOU BROUGHT UP WITH NEBRASKA ON THE, UM, MILITARY VETERANS ASSOCIATION, KIND OF WHAT, WHAT THEY HAD DISCUSSED. YES. SO, UH, I THINK THAT CERTAINLY FITTING, UH, MR. SHAW HAS MADE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA. IS THERE A SECOND MICHIGAN? SECOND? SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON AMENDING, UH, THE AGENDA TO ADD ITEM Q? OKAY. MR. ROGERS, WE CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. MS. BAKER. UH, YES, YES. UH, MR. CAMPBELL. YES. MRS. BURCH. YES. MR. OTTO. YES. MR. LYONS? YES. MR. HILL. YES. MR. YES. MR. SHAW? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO ADD ITEM Q, UH, CARRIES EIGHT ZERO. NEXT UP IS ITEM [2. Approval of Minutes:] NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. UH, THERE ARE TWO SETS OF MINUTES THIS EVENING ITEM A ITEM TWO, A SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2020, UH, WAS AT THE REQUEST OF MRS. BERG TO HAVE THOSE MINUTES, UH, REVIEWED AND THEN POSSIBLY DISCUSSED. UM, MR. ROGERS WAS, UH, COUNCIL'S REQUEST AT THE LAST WORK SESSION TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THE VIDEO AND MAKE ANY CORRECTIONS NECESSARY TO THOSE MINUTES THAT, UH, MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN, UH, ACCURATE A SUMMATION OF THE MINUTES UNDER WHAT OUR NORMAL PROCESS IS FOR WORK SESSION. UM, MR. ROGERS HAS REVIEWED THAT. THERE'S, UH, I BELIEVE BASICALLY VERBATIM, UH, MINUTES HAVE BEEN ADDED BASED ON THAT MEETING AND THOSE MINUTES WERE DISTRIBUTED. SO IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANY REVIEW OF THAT DISCUSSION, UH, THE NEW, THE NEWLY ADJUSTED MINISTER, MR. ROGERS WOULD, WOULD STAND AS APPROVED FOR SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2020. OKAY. SEEING NONE, THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. NEXT UP IS ITEM TWO B, WHICH IS THE WORK SESSION MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2020. AND THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED. IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IN REGARD TO THOSE EVENTS, THEY WOULD ALSO STAND AS APPROVED. EXCUSE ME, MAYOR. YES. MS. BIRCH, DID YOU JUST SAY THAT THE AMENDED MINUTES ARE APPROVED? YES. I HAD ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSION OR REVIEW OR ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2020, THAT MR. ROGERS HAD REDONE AND SENT OUT. AND I DIDN'T HEAR ANY, UH, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY DISCUSSION. I HEARD THAT. I JUST WASN'T SURE. WHICH VERSION. SO IT WAS THE SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2020. THOSE WERE THE REVIEWED MINUTES. THOSE WERE APPROVED. AND NOW I'M ASKING FOR DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 22ND. OKAY. SEEING NONE THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2020, UH, WITH STANDARDS APPROVED, ALSO ARE APPROVED AS A STANDARD ITEM. NUMBER [ City Manager Report] THREE IS OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING. AND, UH, ITEM THREE IS OUR ST MANAGER REPORTS. AND MR. SCHOMER, IF YOU WOULD GET US STARTED, UH, KICKED OFF THE SAME THING, THAT'D BE APPRECIATED. CERTAINLY A COUPLE OF UPDATES TONIGHT. UM, THE MASK ARMS HAVE BEEN DELIVERED AND, UH, THE NEXT WEEK THEY WILL BE INSTALLED FOR THE BRAND PIKE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD PROJECT. UH, IN ADDITION, UH, WE FINALIZE THE APPLICATION, UH, FOR THE MVR PC, UH, PROGRAM, UH, FOR THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, WIDENING CURB WORK, ET CETERA, FOR OLD TROY PIKE TO THE WEST, UH, THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED. AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THAT RUNS INTO FIVE YEARS OF REARS. UM, SO AGAIN, AS WE KEEP ON THAT PROJECT, AS WE DESIGNATED THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT OR INCENTIVE DISTRICT, UH, PREVIOUSLY WE HAD INDICATED THAT WE WOULD APPLY FOR FUNDING, UH, TO SEE IF WE CAN BE AWARDED FOR THAT AS WELL, TO HELP OFFSET AND, UH, AND FUND THAT, UH, THAT WILL BE, UM, THAT WILL BE SENT OUT. UH, UNFORTUNATELY WE WERE PLAYING WITH SOME ADDITIONAL WATER MAIN BREAKS THIS WEEKEND. UH, WE HAD A DRY SPELL, NO PUN INTENDED, BUT, UH, WE DID FOR AWHILE AND WE HAD SEVEN OVER THE WEEKEND. SO, UH, UM, UNEXPLAINED OTHER THAN ONE, ONE GOES AT 10 STUN CHANGE, THE COURSE OF THINGS BLOW. SO WE CONTINUE OUR QUEST TO IDENTIFY A, UM, ALIGNING, PERHAPS ALIGNING SOLUTION, UH, AND OR REVIEWING WHAT PARTICULAR, UH, ADDITIONAL STRESS POINTS MIGHT BE [00:15:01] WITHIN THE SYSTEM. UH, LUCKILY THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE MINIMAL. I BELIEVE THERE WAS A, A BOY LOADER ISSUED AND IN CONTACTED, UH, ONE OF WHICH AFFECTED, UM, ONE OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS FOR TODAY. UH, BUT THAT WAS ALL HANDLED AND TAKEN CARE OF WITH THAT INCIDENT. UH, ADDITIONAL, LAST THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP IS A COUPLE OF, UM, I GUESS, LATE IN THE SEASON AND MAYBE LAST CHANCE TO GET OUT AND, UH, HAVE EVENTS, UH, FOR, UH, FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS HERE AND BEFORE THE WEATHER TURNS ON US. UM, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A NICE, UH, NICE WARM FALL AND, AND A VERY MILD WINTER, BUT NONETHELESS, IF WE DON'T, UH, TOMORROW NIGHT IS THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, TOUCH A TRUCK, A VARIETY OF ACTIVITIES AT ROSE MUSIC CENTER AT 6:00 PM. UH, ON THE, UM, UH, ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER THE 10TH, WE HAVE THE, UM, MOVIE NIGHT AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER AS WELL. THAT WILL ALSO INVOLVE, UH, SOME FOOD TRUCKS AND A CRUISE IN THE MOVIE IS GREECE. SO KIND OF A CAR THING THERE. AND THEN AGAIN, ON THE 17TH OF OCTOBER, WE HAVE THE BIKES IN THE HEIGHTS, AND THAT WILL ALSO BE AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER. SO, UH, SOME FULL EVENTS COMING UP, AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION TODAY ALSO THAT AS THE WEATHER, UH, POTENTIALLY TURNS AND THE FARMER'S MARKET KIND OF TURNS INTO A FALL HARVEST TYPE OF MARKET, UH, WE WILL LIKELY BE MOVING VENUES TO THE BARN, UH, THAT WAY IT HAS SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME COVERING FROM POTENTIAL ELEMENTS AND GET THAT HARVEST TYPE OF A THEME AND, UM, MAKE USE OF THAT SPACE AS WELL AND ACTIVATED. SO WE'LL MAKE ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THAT UPCOMING, UM, HERE SHORTLY. SO OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THIS EVENING AND, UH, MANY ITEMS IN THE AGENDA TO, UH, TO GET THROUGH AND DISCUSS. THANK YOU, MR. SCHIRMER, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR, UH, FOR ROB, REGARDING ITEMS IN HIS REPORT? YES. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, YEAH, ROB, I WAS GONNA JUST ASK ABOUT, I'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF CALLS ABOUT THE, UM, THE WATER MAIN BREAKS AS WELL. UM, I, AND I UNDERSTAND FULLY THAT WITH ALL OF THE UPGRADES AND CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE TO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME STUMBLES HERE AND THERE THAT THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE IS OLD AND, UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S PAST ITS TIME AND IN MOST CASES, BUT ANYWAY, UM, I I'VE REASSURED FOLKS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING ON THESE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, WE ARE, WE'RE JUMPING ON THEM QUICK. THE, THE WATER COMPANY IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF DOING THE REPAIRS. UH, ARE WE STILL, UM, UH, SPEAKING TOWARDS LIKE A PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE TYPE OF THING, ARE WE STILL LOOKING, OR WE DIDN'T INSPECTING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS WE'RE RESURFACING STREETS COMBINING THOSE, UM, LIKE WE HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE ANY TYPE OF PREVENTATIVE THAT WE CAN DO TO LOCATE THOSE I HAD, AND I KNOW THAT'S A DIFFICULT, ODD QUESTION IF THE ANSWER IS NO, I GET THAT ACTUALLY NOT, UNLESS WE SHUT THE SYSTEM DOWN AND RUN A CAMERA OR DIG IT UP AND TAKE A PHYSICAL LOOK. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE HAVING A PROBLEM IN A SPECIFIC AREA, LIKE WE ARE, UH, I THINK WE CAN MAKE SOME CONCLUSIONS AND EDUCATED ASSUMPTIONS THAT, UM, PERHAPS THERE WAS A WHOLE, UM, BATCH OF PIPE THAT WAS MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO CROZIER AND SOONER THAN OTHERS. AND YOU KNOW, THAT AREA OF THE COMMUNITY WAS ALL BUILT AROUND THE SAME TIME. AND WE FEEL THAT WE JUST HAVE, UM, CONDITIONS WHERE THAT AREA, UH, THE PIPE IS, IS FAILING AND QUOTING AT A QUICKER PACE THAN WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE. UM, RUSSELL. IT'S USUALLY ABOUT A 50 YEAR CYCLE FOR, FOR WATER PIPES. OKAY. 68, WE'RE RUNNING THERE CLOSE TO 60 BRYAN. RIGHT? MOST OUR BREAKS WE'RE HAVING HER WITHIN LIKE A QUARTER MILE, HALF MILE RADIUS AROUND. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. SOME REASON THAT AREA. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A POTENTIAL LINING SOLUTION, AND THAT WOULD BE NOT OBTRUSIVE WOULDN'T REQUIRE DIGGING THINGS UP, BUT ET CETERA. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE LINES OF, OF REPAIRING, I'VE GOT TO, UM, I GOT TO SPEAK OUT HOW, UM, HOW LUCKY WE ARE. AND I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S TAKEN FOR GRANTED. UM, THERE'S ONLY FOUR INDIVIDUALS THAT GO OUT AND WORK ON THESE MAIN BREAKS. UH, MOST COMMUNITIES OF OUR SIZE HAVE A TEAM, UH, PROBABLY DOUBLE OF THAT, IF NOT MORE. AND WE'LL OFTEN LET A MAIN BREAK GO A COUPLE, FEW DAYS UNTIL THEY GET TO IT. UM, CAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE WATER IS STILL FLOWING. IT'S JUST FLOWING OUT AS WELL. UM, 24 HOURS A DAY, UH, WITHOUT REST, THEY ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY'RE OUT WORKING IN GETTING OUR REPAIRS DONE IN A VERY, VERY RAPID, TIMELY MANNER, UH, COMPARED TO THE REPAIR TIME THAT IT TAKES, UH, IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, UH, THE SAME SIZE, SMALLER AND LARGER THAN US. SO, UH, REALLY, UM, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH SUEZ AND THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE, UM, AND, AND THE EFFORTS PUT FORTH BY THE LONGSTANDING TENURED CREW [00:20:01] THAT WORKS FOR THEM. SO JUST WANTED TO PASS ON MY, THANKS FOR THAT AND PUBLICLY, UH, AS WELL. AND, UM, OUR, OUR COMMUNITY IS AS WELL SERVED BY THAT PARTNERSHIP WITHOUT A DOUBT. INDEED. INDEED. I AGREE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM MR. SCHOMER REGARDING HIS REPORT THIS EVENING? YES. MR. WEBB, THANK YOU. MA'AM ROB, WOULD I BE CORRECT IN SAYING THAT MONTGOMERY COUNTY EXPERIENCE A MUCH LARGER THAN NORMAL NUMBER OF WATER BREAKS AS WELL? ISN'T IT TRUE THAT IT'S KIND OF COMMUNITY WIDE OR AREA ON WATER BRIDGE? I THINK THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, UM, SOME LARGE SCALE BREAKS WITHIN THEIR SYSTEM, WHETHER THEY'RE HAVING MORE THAN NOT. I REALLY COULDN'T SPEAK TO THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR PROBLEM SEEMS TO ME IN ONE CONCENTRATED AREA, NOT SYSTEM-WIDE. AND, UM, I THINK THAT AT A CERTAIN TIME OF THE SUMMER, THERE WERE SEVERAL MAIN BREAKS AND SEVERAL COMMUNITIES AND EVERYBODY ATTRIBUTED TO A VERY HIGH HEAT AND DRY AND POTENTIAL SHIFTING OF SOME OF THE GROUND MUCH LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE WINTER TIME. UH, BUT WE'RE KIND OF BEYOND THAT FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, MOST RECENT OCCASIONS IN OUR SPECIFIC AREA, BUT, UM, YEAH, THE, UH, UM, MCHENRY COUNTY SYSTEM AND THE DATING SYSTEM HAS HAD A COUPLE OF SIGNIFICANT EVENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO REGARDING THEIR SYSTEM. UM, WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO SIMILAR ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS OR NOT. I, UM, I COULDN'T SPEAK TO THAT, MR. BERTRAM. YES. UH, ROB ON THE, UM, DISCUSSION ON THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, UH, FROM OLD TROY PIKE WEST, UH, WHAT'S HIS STARTING AND STOPPING POINT ON THAT PROJECT. YOU'RE PROPOSING ALL TROY PIKE AT CHAMBERSBURG GOING WEST TO THE CITY LIMITS. OH. AFTER 10 UP TO ENDICOTT AND THE CAUCUS. SO IT WAS ABOUT ANOTHER 50 FEET, BUT YEAH, AND THE COTTON. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. AND, UM, WHAT ABOUT THE PROJECT? UM, THAT GOES EAST AND THE NEXT PHASE OF, OF THE EAST EXPANSION GOING TOWARD, RIGHT. THAT, THAT IS A STILL IN PROGRESS. THERE WAS A, UM, AS WE RECALL, THERE WAS KIND OF A STAY, UH, FOR A BIT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT OUR PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AND THEY ARE GOING BACK THROUGH SCOTT. DO YOU HAVE A, A BRIEF UPDATE ON THAT? JUST BRIEFLY? YES. THERE'S MORE INFORMATION THAT THEY WANTED ON USE AND SOME LANGUAGE CHANGE, UH, THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL, UM, BEFORE, UM, TO BE SUBMITTED, UM, BY THE END OF THE YEAR, THAT'S THEIR SCHEDULE. YES. YOU, YOU NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YES. FOR SOME LANGUAGE, UM, REVISIONS WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S JUST, JUST SOME DEFINITIONS. OKAY. ONE SECOND HAPPEN. THAT'LL BE WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, BECAUSE WE WILL GET THAT BACK TO THEM BY THE END OF THE YEAR. OKAY. AND WHEN IS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUPPOSED TO BE DONE? WHERE ARE YOU ARE GOING TO REDO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STARTING NEXT YEAR AFTER ALL THE CENSUS DATA IS IN? UM, THAT'S A, THAT WAS PART OF THE BUDGETS THAT'S IN PROCESS. WE ORIGINALLY WERE GOING TO START THIS YEAR, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET ALL OF THE CENSUS DATA. SO THAT'S GOING TO GO OUT TO BID FOR A CONSULTANT TO HELP US WITH THAT FOR NEXT YEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. OKAY. NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, [ Requests for Proposals - Power Cots - AFG Grant - Fire Division] B REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS, POWER COTS, THE AFG GRANT THROUGH THE FIRE DIVISION. RIGHT. AS A, IF YOU RECALL, WE WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE THE SYSTEMS OF FIRE FIRE SERVICE GRANT, AND THE RESOLUTION WOULD ALLOW US TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD AND REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR THAT ACTUAL CUT SYSTEM. IF YOU RECALL, IT WAS AN AUTOMATED CAUGHT HYDRAULIC SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS A SAFER LOADING. UM, IT CREATES A SAFER OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH THE PATIENTS AND OUR PERSONNEL. SO THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZED US TO GO OUT AND SEEK PROPOSALS FOR THOSE ITEMS AND, UM, GET THAT PROJECT UNDERWAY. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR, UH, FOR RUB [00:25:01] ON THAT PARTICULAR GRANT? MRS. BIRCH, I SEE YOUR HAND IS RAISED. IS THAT A NUMEROUS? NO PROBLEM. OKAY. ANY OBJECTIONS INTO MOVING THIS ONTO, UH, MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THAT TO MONDAY. UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE [ Supplemental Appropriations] ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS TO SAFETY. MR. BELL, HOW ARE YOU, SIR? GOOD EVENING. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK IN PERSON AFTER BEING REMOTE FOR AWHILE. UH, I HAVE, UM, SUBMITTED TO YOU IN YOUR PACKETS, A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION. AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS A CHANGE THAT I SUBMITTED THROUGH TONY, UH, UM, KIND OF LATE THIS AFTERNOON CAME TO YOU PROBABLY AROUND FIVE O'CLOCK AND, UM, I'LL START WITH THE FIRST ITEM. AND THE FIRST ITEM IS A CARES ACT RELATED, UM, MONIES THAT WE RECEIVED BACK IN APRIL AND, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS READY TO START SPENDING THOSE MONIES. AND THIS IS SEPARATE FROM ALL OF THE OTHER CARES ACT FUNDING THAT YOU'VE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT OVER THE LAST MONTH OR TWO. UH, THIS WAS A SMALL DOLLAR AMOUNT, UH, BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, UH, WE PROVIDE, UM, H UH, EMS SERVICES. UH, THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS 34,003, 2218. IT WAS, UH, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE REPORTED THE SAME WAY AS ALL THE OTHER CARES ACT FUNDING DOES. I WAS DEPOSITED IN THE FIRE FUND AND NOW THE FIRE CHIEF ASHWORTH HAS ASKED THAT WE, UM, REPLENISHED SOME MONIES THAT THEY'VE SPENT ON PPE EQUIPMENT. ANYTHING THAT'S NOT SALARIES IS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SPEND THIS ON. SO I HAVE PUT THAT IN YOUR PACKET TO INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR THAT. AND THEN, UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD TONIGHT, UH, QUITE A LARGE AMOUNT OF 1 MILLION, $374,908. AND THIS IS OUR SOON TO BE RECEIVED. THIRD DISTRIBUTION OF THE CARES ACT FUNDING THAT WE ALL HEAR ABOUT. UM, THE GOVERNOR DID SIGN A HOUSE BILL SIX 14, WHICH THIS INCLUDED THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT. AND, UH, THIS IS A COMBINED DOLLAR AMOUNT FROM THE REPORTS THAT I HAVE, WHAT WE WILL RECEIVE FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND MIAMI COUNTY. AND I'D LIKE THIS, I'D LIKE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS IN THIS SUPPLEMENTAL, BECAUSE I WANT TO REPORT THIS. UH, THE FIRST DEADLINE TO REPORT IS OCTOBER 20TH, WHICH WOULD BE BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. SO IT'D BE NICE TO GET THIS APPROVED AS A SPENDABLE MONEY. AND THEN I COULD, UM, UH, AS I'VE LISTED HERE, UM, TRANSFER MONIES TO REIMBURSE SALARIES THAT WERE IN, UH, PAID FOR FIRE SALARIES AND POLICE SALARIES, WHICH ARE, UM, UH, VERY CLEARLY SPELLED OUT AS A REFUNDABLE EXPENSES THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN ON ALREADY THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THEIR, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY DEDICATED SERVICES. OKAY. AND IS THAT FOR THE SUPPLEMENTAL? SO THOSE TWO, YES, THOSE TWO. SO IT WOULD BE SPENDING OUT OF THE CORONAVIRUS FUND AS TRANSFERS OVER TO THE POLICE AND FIRE FUND, AND OBVIOUSLY INCREASING THE REVENUE GOING INTO THE POLICE AND FIRE FUND TO COVER THAT. SO BASICALLY IT'S A WASH ON BOTH OF THESE DOLLAR AMOUNTS. IT'S MONEY CAME IN. MONEY'S GOING OUT WHEN YOU WERE OUT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BELL REGARDING EITHER OF THESE TWO SUPPLEMENTALS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ITEM ONTO MONDAY? OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. BELL, NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE [ Tax Rate Certification - Montgomery County] D THE TAX RATE CERTIFICATION FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY AS WELL. ME AGAIN. YES. I'M. SOMEBODY PUTS THIS AGENDA TOGETHER AND THINGS, SOMEBODY DOES A GOOD JOB OF THAT. THANK YOU, TONY, BETTER THAN BEING ITEM NUMBER THREE AND 10. SO, UM, I WON'T TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT. THAT'S, UH, THIS ITEM, UH, WAS ON THE AGENDA LAST MEETING. UM, WHEN I THOUGHT THAT, UH, MONTGOMERY MIAMI COUNTY IS, WOULD HAVE THEIR TAX RATES CERTIFICATIONS READY AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH THEY NORMALLY DO, UH, AS YOU KNOW, PROPERTY TAXES WERE DELAYED A MONTH AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY AUDITOR, UH, CARL KEITH. AND SO THE TAX RATES CERTIFICATIONS CAME TO ME LATER. AND SO, UM, WE ALSO HAVE A LATER DEADLINE, SO IT WAS REMOVED FROM LAST, UH, TWO WEEKS. IT GOES AGENDA. AND I SAID IT WOULD BE COMING BACK TONIGHT. UH, THIS IS JUST CERTIFYING, UH, AS WAS IN YOUR PACKET. ALL OF THEIR ESTIMATED DOLLARS THAT THEY BELIEVE WILL COME INTO HUBER HEIGHTS NEXT YEAR FOR PROPERTY TAX LEVIES. AND, UM, THIS IS THE FINAL, UM, PART THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED IN ORDER TO GET THOSE LEVIES CERTIFIED AND APPROVED, UH, TO PUT ON THE TAXES TO BE COLLECTED NEXT. THANK YOU, MR. BELL, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TAX RATE? OKAY. ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY. AND NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, WHICH IS THE ENERGY PERFORMANCE PROJECT. [ Energy Performance Project * Final Project Scope/GESPC] [ * Capital Lease Agreement/GESPC] IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE DISCUSSING THE FINAL PROJECT SCOPE FROM GSPC. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, HOW ARE YOU, SIR? I'M GOOD. HOW ABOUT YOURSELF? I'M REAL GOOD. [00:30:01] GOOD. UM, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE REACHED THE END OF THE LONG AND WINDING ROAD THAT HAS BEEN THE, UH, ENERGY PERFORMANCE PROJECT. UM, COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE'D LIKE TO GO OVER, UM, AND ASK COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, UH, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING NEXT WEEK. UM, AND THOSE ARE ONE LEGISLATION TO DETERMINE THE FINAL SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AS WELL AS FINANCING. SO, UH, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH COUNCIL, UH, I'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE INTERCHANGEABLY JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CONVERSATION AND FLOW. SO THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE HERE, UM, WE BRIEFED COUNCIL ON WHAT WE THOUGHT A POTENTIAL PROJECT SCOPE MIGHT LOOK LIKE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE WORK THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE OUTSTANDING ITEM AT THAT TIME WERE MAST ARM POLES. WE WERE WAITING FOR THOSE BIDS TO COME IN. UM, AND YOU'VE HEARD THE CITY MANAGER TALK ABOUT THAT ISSUE, UM, RELATED TO A DIFFERENT PROJECT, UH, THE LAST TWO MEETINGS AS WELL. UH, THE OTHER THING WAS FINANCING. WE HAD, UH, WE HAD JUST GOTTEN READY TO RELEASE OUR PROPOSAL FOR FINANCING AND THAT FINANCING PACKAGE DID GO OUT AND IT WAS DUE INTO US ON FRIDAY MORNING. SO, UH, AFTER THE PACKETS HAD GONE OUT, SO, UH, TALKING TO THE FINANCING, WE SUBMITTED FOUR, NINE PROPOSALS, UH, ESG. I REACHED OUT TO NINE VENDORS, UH, AND ASK THEM TO SUBMIT, UM, OF THOSE NINE. WE HAD SIX RESPOND, UH, AND WE WERE ESTIMATING INTEREST RATES BETWEEN TWO AND TWO, FIVE. UH, THE HIGH WAS 2.83, AND THE LOW WAS 2.01. AND THAT IS FROM A BANK. UH, I WANT TO SAY IT'S BANK ONE, UH, YES, U S BANK CORP, UH, AND GOVERNMENT LEASING AND, UH, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, UH, AND THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR HAVE REVIEWED AND EVALUATED, UH, THE INITIAL TERMS, UM, AND BELIEVED THAT TO BE A MARKET COMPETITIVE PROPOSAL. UH, AND THEN WE ARE WAITING ON THE FINAL DETAILED DOCUMENTS TO COME IN. SO, UH, ONE PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT WE WOULD ASK YOU TO ENTERTAIN ON MONDAY NEXT WEEK, UH, WOULD BE, UH, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A LEASE AGREEMENT SUBJECT TO THE LAW DIRECTOR'S APPROVAL, UH, FOR THIS, UH, PARTICULAR INTEREST DETERMINED CONDITION, UH, WITH, UH, WITH US BANK CORP. SO, UH, THAT IS ITEM ONE. NOW THAT RELATES TO, UH, THE FINAL SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, UH, IN THE LEGISLATION, THE DRAFT LEGISLATION THAT WE HAD INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, UH, AS WE HAD TALKED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, UM, WE WERE OPTIMISTIC IN THE HOPES THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET A PROJECT THAT WAS CLOSER TO 2.6 MILLION AS OPPOSED TO 3 MILLION. UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE DID GET, UH, NUMBERS FROM THE POLL VENDORS THAT CAME IN SOMEWHAT HIGHER THAN WE HAD HOPED. AND THE ACTUAL ESTIMATED COST OF THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE 2.9 MILLION IN CHANGE. SO ON THE HIGHER END, UM, OF THE ESTIMATES, UH, REACHED BY ESG, BUT STILL WITHIN THE SCOPE THAT AFFECTED SOME OF THE OR VALUES THAT WE HAD PROPOSED TO YOU EARLIER ON. SO IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD GIVEN YOU ESTIMATED PROJECT VALUE AND THEN AS WELL, WE HAD GIVEN YOU WHAT WE THOUGHT ADDITIONAL MONEY THE CITY WOULD NEED TO BRING TO THE TABLE. AND SO THAT NUMBER HAS CHANGED A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THE NUMBER THAT IS CURRENTLY LISTED AS THE PROPOSED, UM, VALUE IN THE COUNCIL PACKET IS $60,750. NOW THAT IS SOMEWHAT ELEVATED FROM THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE TOGETHER. AND FOR TWO REASONS, FIRST OF ALL, UH, THE REASON, UH, THAT WE INITIALLY DISCUSSED WERE THE MASTER ON PRICES. THE MASTER AND PRICING CAME AT HIGHER THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED. WE HAD ALSO HAD SOME DISCUSSION AROUND, UH, THE OFFICE ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST USE OF THIS SPACE. AND AT 2%, UH, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, THAT'S ALMOST FREE. SO, UH, THE ESG TEAM HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THE CITY ONLY BORROWING THE MONEY THAT IT NEEDED. SO OUR ESTIMATES WERE BASED ON A $1.8 MILLION BORROW, OR A ONE POINT AN $8 MILLION LEASE WHILE AT 2% INTEREST IN CONSIDERING OTHER TRANSACTIONS THAT CITY COUNCIL HAD AUTHORIZED. WE ASKED FOR THE FULL VALUE OF THE PROJECT TO BE INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE LEASE. SO THE MONEY OR THE VALUES THAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT LEGISLATION REPRESENT BORROWING OR LEASING THE FULL 2.99 MILLION. SO WE WANT TO MAKE CLEAR TO YOU THAT WHILE THE VALUE THAT YOU ARE SEEING WITHIN THE LEGISLATION IS DIFFERENT THAN WE HAD DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT CHANGE, AND IT IS BASED ON INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS REGARDING ENSURING THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE MONEY'S ON HAND, UH, AND THE APPROPRIATE POLICY FOR COUNCIL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE OUT IT'S, UH, ITS GOALS AND OBJECTIVES BEYOND, UH, JUST THIS MATTER. SO THAT IS A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED. UH, WE WILL FINALIZE THE, UH, THE LANGUAGE, UH, IF IT IS COUNCIL'S WILL TO ENTERTAIN THIS NEXT WEEK, UH, THAT WILL INCLUDE THE UPDATED FINANCING, UH, PERCENTAGES ON THAT WILL ALSO BRING DOWN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'LL NEED TO BRING TO THE TABLE BECAUSE THE BUDGET WAS BASED ON 2.3, I BELIEVE WAS THE 2.5, 2.35 WAS THE, UH, WAS THE [00:35:01] MODELING. AND SO WE'RE AT 2.01. SO THAT 60,000 NUMBER WILL COME DOWN TO ABOUT 55, 56, SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA. BUT, UH, THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE, UH, IN THE LEGISLATION. UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS. I THINK MR. CAMPBELL, YOU HAD A FEW IN MR. SHAW, YOU HAD A FEW AT THE LAST MEETING, WE DID INCLUDE SOME INFORMATION AS PART OF THE WORK SESSION PACKET THAT I HOPE ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, BUT IF THEY DID NOT, UH, MYSELF, UH, KEITH AND LARRY, WHO ATTEMPTED TO JOIN THIS LAST, UH, LAST TIME, UH, REMOTELY, THEY ARE BOTH HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT, UH, THAT YOU ONLY HAVE. SO WITH THAT, MR. MAYOR, I'LL YIELD THE FLOOR TO YOU AND COUNSEL FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. OKAY. SO, UH, I WOULD DEFER TO MR. SHAUN, MR. CAMPBELL HERE IN THE BEGINNING TO SEE IF, UH, THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE CONCERNS THAT YOU RAISED HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, OR IF YOU HAD ANY FOLLOW UP ON THAT, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO A BROADER DISCUSSION AMONGST COUNSEL, YES. MINE HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT PRESENTATION. UH, I'M GLAD WE ARE EXTENDING THE BORROWING CAPACITY OUT A LITTLE BIT. I THINK THAT'LL HELP THE CITY IN GENERAL. AND, UH, AT 2.01, WE MIGHT WANT TO BORROW MORE. NO, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT AND THE FOLLOW UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. CAMPBELL, MR. SHAW, THANK YOU. UH, IN REVIEWING THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, UM, IN THE PACKET AND, UM, EXTERNALLY AS WELL. UM, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK KEITH FOR THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED, ENTERED ALL MY CONCERNS AND, UH, UM, THE OBJECTIVES MOVING FORWARD. I SEE NO REASON, AT LEAST FROM THIS COUNCIL MEMBER'S PERSPECTIVE, UH, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, UH, TO BE CONSIDERED NEXT WEEK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. BASED ON THE PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING THAT WAS, UH, ALL THE DETAILS IN THE PACKET MOVING FORWARD, MRS. BURCH. YES. MS. BURCH YOU'RE MUTED, MRS. BURGESS. THIS IS BERG. YOU WERE MUTED. SO ANYTHING THAT YOU HAD JUST SAID, NONE OF US HEARD, I'M SORRY, THERE YOU GO. COST PROVIDED TO US, UM, THE WAY THAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW AT ALL, OR TH THE COSTS WITH RESPECT TO THE FINANCING OR WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE PROJECT THEMSELVES. SO THE FEES CATEGORIES AND THE COST. SO THE FEES ARE OF THE, UH, CONTRACT THAT, UM, THE AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD ENTER INTO WITH, UM, ESG, UM, AND HOW THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY STRUCTURED, I WOULD DEFER TO KEITH OR LARRY TO, TO ADDRESS THOSE. SO, UH, LET ME SIP AWAY SO THAT THEY CAN, UH, ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. YEAH. SO, UH, THIS IS A TRADITIONAL FOUR PROJECT OF, OF THIS, THIS TIME. THIS IS A TRADITIONAL KIND OF BREAKDOWN THAT WE HAVE WOULD PROVIDE IN TERMS OF A PROJECT ENGINEERING, UH, OUR SUBCONTRACTOR COSTS AS, AS PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PERFORMANCE RISK. ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, IT IS, UH, VERY MUCH A MULTI-DISCIPLINE PROJECT. SO WE'RE WORKING EVERYTHING FROM OUT IN THE STREETS, IF YOU WILL, UH, LIGHTING INTO BUILDINGS, HPAC, UH, UH, ET CETERA, AND AS WELL AS THE HVC IN CONTROL. SO FROM A PROJECT MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT, IT'S A FAIRLY COMPLEX PROJECT AND IT'S OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH WITH THE, UH, THE MASS ARMS, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT AS WELL. SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO EXTEND OUR CONSTRUCTION TIME. UM, SO AGAIN, ONE OF THE VALUES OF, OF A PROJECT LIKE THIS IS YOU'RE ABLE TO MOBILIZE WANTS, AND, UH, HAVE A SINGLE POINT OF ACCOUNTABILITY TO PULL THIS PROJECT FORWARD. UH, AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS, IT'S VERY OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT TO US, UH, WHETHER WE'RE WORKING IN THE BUILDINGS ON LADDERS, OR IF WE'RE WORKING IN, UH, ON THE STREETS, SAFETY IS A, A HUGE CONCERN. SO IT'S, AGAIN, A LOT OF THE COSTS ARE BUILT AROUND MAKING SURE WE WORK IN THE SAFE ENVIRONMENT. AND THEN FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, AGAIN, I CAN GO THROUGH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT, UH, NUMBER. UM, TYPICALLY WE WOULD DO THAT, ALL THAT ENGINEERING INTERNALLY, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE, WE INVOLVE THE LOCAL ENGINEERING COMPANY TO DO THE ENGINEERING, UH, ON THE INTERSECTION, WHICH IS A LITTLE BEYOND OUR SCOPE. AND, UH, IN TERMS OF COSTS, I MEAN, ALL THIS STUFF IS SCRUTINIZED INTERNALLY AND WE HAVE, UH, WE NOT [00:40:01] ONLY, UH, SCRUTINIZE OUR SUBCONTRACTORS, BUT WE ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE, UH, PROVIDING, UH, THE BEST, BEST POSSIBLE COST THE CITY. SO WE CAN GET THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE TRYING TO REACH THE GOALS OF THE, WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION, THE COUNTS WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, TO GET TO, WHICH WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PROJECT WOULD MOVE THE CITY FORWARD. SO, UH, THESE ARE, THESE ARE VERY CUSTOMARY FOR OUR, UM, OUR BUSINESS AND BASED ON THE COMPLEXITY AND THE RISK OF THIS, UH, OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. OKAY. UM, AND I THINK YOUR, YOUR PERCENTAGES, UM, ARE REASONABLE. I JUST WONDERED HOW ARE YOU INCENTIVIZING YOUR, YOUR SUBCONTRACTORS TO, TO BEAT THE ESTIMATES? UH, WE ARE INCENTIVIZING OUR, UH, PUT IT A DIFFERENT WAY. WE ARE ENSURING OUR SUBCONTRACTORS, UH, STICK TO A FIXED COST IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'VE QUOTED US IN TERMS OF THE SCOPE OF WORK. CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY CHANGE ORDERS, UNLESS WE'RE DIRECTED BY THE CITY TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK THAT'S BEYOND THE CONTRACT. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, THE BUCK STOPS HERE WITH ESG IN TERMS OF ENSURING THAT WE PROVIDE THE SCOPE OF WORK BACK TO THE CITY THAT WE HAVE DESIGNED, AND THAT THE COST STAY BASED ON THE PRICE THAT WE'VE GIVEN. THERE'S NOBODY ELSE TO POINT TO, EXCEPT FOR US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH WOKE UP LIKE YOU, THANK YOU FOR THAT VERIFICATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. THAT ANOTHER AREA THAT, UH, I REMEMBER WHEN GOING OVER THE PAPERWORK, THE MOLLY FACETED APPROACH THAT YOU'RE TAKING, WHERE YOUR ONE STOP SHOP BASICALLY IN THE FEE STRUCTURE SEEMS, UH, AND MAYBE BRIAN, YOU DID SPEAK TO THE VETTING PROCESS, BUT IT SEEMS VERY REASONABLE TO ME AND IN THE OVERAGES, UH, YOU'LL COVER IF IT'S NOT A CHANGE THAT WE IMPLEMENT OVER AND ABOVE THE AGREEMENT. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO, YEAH, I WAS VERY PLEASED WITH THE STRUCTURE, THE FEE AMOUNT AND, AND I'M SURE BRIAN AND HIS TEAM THAT IT DID VERY WELL. YES. WE'VE HAD A SERIES OF MEETINGS. WE TRY TO GET, KEEP IT AS OPEN AS POSSIBLE, UH, TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING FOR YOUR DOLLAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE BANG FOR OUR BUCK. I'M SORRY. YES, EXACTLY. I WAS GETTING THERE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO AUGMENT THAT, UH, FEEDING OFF OF WHAT MR. CAMPBELL SAID, UM, PROMPTED BY MRS. BURGESS QUESTION. YES. I THINK AN ADDITIONAL ADVANTAGES IF THE CITY ITSELF WERE TO TAKE ON THESE PROJECTS, ONE BY ONE WITH A BAD PROPOSAL, ET CETERA, THE COST OF MULTIPLE MOBILIZATIONS ENDED UP ITSELF IS GOING TO INCREASE THE COST SIGNIFICANTLY. AND WE ALL KNOW AND HEAR THE STORY THAT, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT PAYS A LITTLE BIT MORE. THIS IS A PRIVATE ENTITY, UH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING TOGETHER THESE, THESE COSTS WITH THESE CONTRACTORS. SO FOR, UM, FOR REGARDING THE FEES AND THE WORK PUT INTO IT, UH, MR. CAMPBELL WAS RIGHT FIRST. WE DID AN RFP TO IDENTIFY ESG AND WE VETTED SEVERAL COMPANIES IN, IN TO THAT PART. UM, AND I'M SURE COUNSEL REMEMBERS THAT. SO, UM, I THINK THAT THOSE COSTS FEES THAT MRS. BURNS REFERRED TO ARE PROBABLY BETTER THAN WHAT WE OURSELVES WOULD BE ABLE TO DO AS I MUNICIPALITY. THANK YOU, MR. SCHIRMER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. MR. SHAW, THANK YOU. THIS IS MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE QUESTION, ROB. UM, I SEE THE, THE DRAFT AGREEMENT, UM, THAT WE HAVE HERE. IT'S OBVIOUSLY MISSING ALL OF THE PLUGGED IN INFORMATION. WHEN WILL COUNCIL BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THE PLUGGED IN INFORMATION WE'LL HAVE THAT, UH, UH, FOR, FOR THE AGREEMENT WITH ESG? YES. UH, FOR THE FINAL SCOPE, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT PLUGGED IN FOR THE PACKET, UH, FOR APPROVAL, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T ASK YOU TO, UH, RESOLVE OR PASS AN EXHIBIT WITHOUT IT BEING COMPLETED. SO WORKING THROUGH THAT AND FINALIZING THAT FOR THE, UH, FOR THE RELEASE OF THE PACKET FOR MONDAY. PERFECT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? CAN YOU SING ON ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ITEM ON TO UNTIL MONDAY? OKAY. SEEING NONE HEARING NONE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO MONDAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT UP IS ITEM [ Rezoning - Valvoline, LLC - 7480 Old Troy Pike] THREE F UH, IT'S A REZONING ISSUE FOR VALVOLINE LLC AT 74 80 ON TROY PIKE. Y'ALL, UH, I'LL START WITH THIS. AND, UH, I KNOW SCOTT HAS SOME, SOME DETAILS UP THERE. IF COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN SEEING ANY, UH, ANY OF THE DIAGRAMS THAT'S IN SUCH A, THIS CASE WAS BROUGHT TO A PLANNING COMMISSION LAST WEEK. UM, I WAS, UH, FORTUNATE ENOUGH [00:45:01] TO GET MY, UM, I GUESS GET MY FEET WET IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORLD. UH, NONETHELESS, I'M TRYING TO THIS PARTICULAR, I'M SORRY. YEAH. TRIBAL FIRE. RIGHT. UM, FOR, FOR, FOR BOTH ME AND THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. SO, UH, UH, NONETHELESS, UH, THIS PARTICULAR CASE CAME, UH, WITH A STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, STAFF HAS, UH, HAS VETTED ALL OF THE INFORMATION THERE. AND THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS AROUND A COUPLE OF, COUPLE OF A COUPLE OF ITEMS. UH, FIRST OF ALL, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THIS WAS RECOMMENDED FOR A PLANNED COMMERCIAL AREA, UH, IS DUE TO A COUPLE OF VARIANCES IN THE STRICT OR IN THE STRAIGHT ZONING CODE. ONE IS THE TECHNICAL DISTANCE OF RIGHT AWAY BEING A MINIMUM OF 75 FEET. UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THIS CASE IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION. AS YOU KNOW, UM, OUT ON TWO OH TWO IN TAYLORSVILLE, QUITE A BIT OF YARD THAT YOU ASSUME IS THEIR YARD. AND WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY NOT, IT'S REALLY PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEN YOU GET TO THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS PRETTY FAR SETBACK AND THEN THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK. SO WHEN WE FACTOR THAT THE NORMAL RIGHT AWAY, THERE'S MORE THAN AMPLE ROOM. UH, AND EVEN THOUGH THIS IS AN EXAMPLE AND WHY WE HAVE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS FOR SPECIFIC PROJECTS, NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER. THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR AN ADDITIONAL TURN LANE THAT WAS DISCUSSED THAT WAS, UH, NOTED IN EVERYTHING. UH, ANOTHER CONCEPT THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS THE IDEA OF SIGNAGE AND OR LIGHTED PORTION OF THE, UH, OF THE BUILDING. AND AS YOU SEE THERE, UM, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT A PORTION OF IT FACING A RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND IT WAS DISCUSSED IN PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, THERE WAS A, I WILL CALL IT AN AGREEMENT TO RESOLVE THAT IN. THAT WAS SOME TIMING OF THE, UH, OF THE SIGNS ON A PARTICULAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING. UH, NONETHELESS PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, DECIDED NOT TO APPROVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. UM, I WILL NOTE STAFF HAS NOTED AND INDICATED THAT ALL 12 OF THE STANDARDS FOR APPROVAL, UH, SEEM TO HAVE A PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE AS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, AND ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED WITHIN THE VARIANCES IN THE DESIGNED, UM, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UH, HAVE BEEN MET. AND IT CERTAINLY IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT COUNCIL, UM, OVERRIDES THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVES THIS APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO, UH, SCOTT, IF YOU WANT TO GO OVER ANY OF THE PARTICULAR DETAILS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW, I KNOW THE APPLICANTS HERE AS WELL AND APPRECIATE THEM COMING AGAIN. AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. SCOPE OF REAL QUICK GET STARTED. I, SO I WAS AT THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT, THAT I'D HEARD THAT NIGHT. SO ON A CAUSE I THINK WHAT ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLAN TO COMMERCIAL. IF THIS WAS JUST A STRAIGHT ZONING TO A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEN YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, VALVOLINE SAYS YOU WANT THAT. CORNER'S NOT REALLY WORKING OUT FOR US. AND THEY LEFT ANY OF THE BUSINESS. IT WAS JUST STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL COULD COME IN AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND NOT HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL. CORRECT, BECAUSE IT WOULD JUST BE A STRAIGHT ZONE JUST TO STRAIGHT ZONING TO COMMERCIAL. BUT BECAUSE THIS IS A CHANGE TO PLANNED COMMERCIAL, ANYTHING AFTER WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO COME BACK TO A PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ANY CHANGE MOVING FORWARD. IS THAT, DOES THAT CORRECT? I CALL, I CALL SCOTT THE EXPERT. I'M GOING TO SPEAK AS A LAYMAN ON IT AND JUST, I'M DOING THIS AS A TEST FOR ME. OKAY. THIS IS, THIS IS AN EXERCISE THAT SCOTT CAN, SCOTT CAN AND CAN, CAN CORRECT ME IF WE WERE TO REMAIN THE STRAIGHT ZONING ON THIS. UH, ALL THEY'D HAVE TO DO IS MOVE THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT, MAKE SURE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE, IT'S A BETTER CONDITION FOR THE STRUCTURE TO BE PLACED WHERE IT IS IN THE CONDITIONS TO ALLOW SOME OF THE VARIANCES, THEY COULD MOVE THE BUILDING BACK FURTHER AND WOULD BE ACTUALLY CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND STILL, UH, BASICALLY CONSTRUCT THIS WITH STRAIGHT ZONING AND THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, REALLY NONE OF THIS WOULD BE HAPPENING. SO TH THE BENEFIT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT FITS A BETTER USE BECAUSE STRAIGHT ZONING IS GOOD UNTIL IT'S NOT A GOOD FIT. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALLOW SOME THINGS LIKE ADJUSTMENTS OF ADDITIONAL BUFFERS, UH, YOU KNOW, BETTER SIGHT POSITION, SIGNAGE, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, UM, IN STRAIGHT ZONING IS, UM, WOULD APPLY. AND THEY COULD BASICALLY COULD HAVE DESIGNED THEIR BUILDING PLACED ON THE SITE, SUBMITTED STRAIGHT ZONING CERTIFICATE AND LIKELY FALL WITHIN COMPLIANCE IF THEY CHOSE TO DO. AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THOSE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. I THINK THE, THE, THE BIGGER CONCERN WOULD BE IF IT WAS APPROVED AT STRAIGHT ZONING, WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN 10 YEARS FROM NOW WHERE YOU GOT A 24 HOUR GAS STATION OR SOMETHING THERE THAT'S, WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE REALLY INTERFERING WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS. SO, [00:50:01] SO THE PLAY, SO I JUST VERIFYING PLAIN COMMERCIAL IS THE RIGHT WAY AND NOTHING ELSE, OTHER THAN WHAT WE'RE SAYING CAN BE DONE, UNLESS THE CHANGE COMES BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST AT THAT, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S REALLY THE KEY THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS WE'RE GETTING ON. THAT IS CORRECT. IT IS STRAIGHT ZONE, THEY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. SO THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF COMMERCIAL USES THAT CAN GO IN THERE RIGHT NOW WITHOUT COMING THROUGH CITY COUNCIL PROCESS. BUT PLAN COMMERCIAL IS EXACTLY, AS YOU SAID, UM, ANY CHANGE TO THIS PLAN WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF TIME OR GOOD, CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT I WANTED TO, I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT AND BECAUSE I HEARD THAT DISCUSSION AT THE MEETING, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY. SO, YEAH, PLEASE GO AHEAD. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU, MR. SCHOMER FOR, UH, HANDLING THIS AND, UH, DID A GREAT INTRODUCTION ABOUT IT. UM, THE I MAY ASK HIM TO DO IT AGAIN SOMETIME, SO, UM, BUT BASICALLY, UH, THAT THE PROPERTY ITSELF, THERE'S THE EXISTING, UH, MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING AT THE SITE THAT, UM, THEY ARE LOOKING TO SELL TO, UH, VALVOLINE TO PLACE A NEW BUILDING. THIS NEW BUILDING IS SMALLER AND FURTHER AWAY FROM THOSE PROPERTY LINES AS THE CURRENT BUILDING ITSELF. SO AS YOU SEE THAT DUTY IS PUSHED OUT FURTHER TO OLD TROY PIPE THAN WHAT THAT CURRENT BUILDING IS, UM, DOES HAVE ACCESS FROM BOTH STREETS, UM, DOES HAVE, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER IMPERVIOUS AREA. SO, UH, THE DRAINAGE, UH, WORKS, UM, UTILIZING THE EXISTING, UH, STORM SEWER SYSTEM AND THEY ALL SEWER AND WATER FOR THE SITE ITSELF. UM, THEY ARE ADDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AROUND THE SITE ITSELF, UM, IMPROVING ON SOME OF THOSE BUFFERS BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS AND THE SITE. AND THEN ALSO, UH, WITH STREET TREES, UH, ALONG, UH, TAYLORSVILLE AND OLD TROY WITHIN THIS SITE. UM, THE SIGNAGE THAT WAS MENTIONED, UM, OUR STANDARD CODE, UH, THE GROUND SIGN MEETS OUR STANDARD CODE FOR HEIGHT AND AREA, AND THEN THE WALL SIGNAGE. UM, IT DOES ALSO ALLOW FOR MULTIPLE SIGNS ON CENSUS OF THE ONE CORNER TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. SO IT IS UNDER THAT 150 SQUARE FEET, TOTAL OF ALL SIGNAGE, UM, AS MR. WARNER MENTIONED, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT WAS ABOUT THE BRIGHTNESS OF ONE OF THE SONGS. UM, I HAVE GONE OUT TO LOOK AT OTHER VALVOLINE'S, UM, AND BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DO THESE, UM, THE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF BRIGHTNESS THAT DOES COME OUT OF, UM, THESE SIGNS AT NIGHT, AND THERE IS A HEAVY BUFFER ALONG EACH OF THOSE PROPERTY LINES AS WELL CURRENTLY BEFORE THEY ADD ADDITIONAL BUFFER. AND THERE'S A PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE LINES OF NEWER PRIVACY FENCE AS WELL. THE, UH, THE BUILDING IS ALL MASONRY. UM, SO THAT ALSO MEETS OUR COMMERCIAL DESIGN STANDARDS. SO, UM, THE LIGHTING ITSELF, THEY, UM, MEET OUR STANDARD CODE ABOUT, UH, HAVING THE CUT OFF FIXTURES AND MAKING SURE THAT THE LIGHTING LEVELS AT PROPERTY LINES MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS OF GETTING DOWN TO THE LEVEL IT NEEDS TO NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. THAT CAN ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT. IN ADDITION, AS WAS MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS, THE CITY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH A LEFT TURN OR A RIGHT TURN LANE ON OLD TROY PIKE IN FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, THAT HAS BEEN PART OF SOME OF OUR SAFETY STUDIES AND, UM, CORE OR STUDIES ALONG OLD TROY PIKE THAT WILL ONLY IMPROVE THE WHOLE AREA. I DID HAVE ONE OTHER THING AS PART OF, UM, IS YOU'LL SEE, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIGN ON THE BUILDING AND LIGHTING. UM, IF COUNCIL STILL WISHES TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NOT AN ILLUMINATION OF THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE NIGHT, UH, I WOULD, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, DO ONE TO TWO THINGS, UM, EITHER JUST MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THEY ARE TO COMPLY WITH THE EXISTING LIGHTING STANDARDS, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM ANY COMMERCIAL AREA, UH, ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, UH, OR HAVE IT TO WHERE THE ON BUILDING SIGNS WOULD BE, UH, EITHER ALL ON OR ALL OFF AT A SPECIFIC TIME. THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE IT WOULD APPEAR AS IF PART OF THE SIGN WOULD BE IN DISREPAIR, IF TWO SIDES ARE ON AND ONE SIDE IS OFF. UH, AND I THINK THAT THAT ENDED UP ITSELF KIND OF CONFLICTS WITH SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR LIGHTED SIGNS, UH, IN, IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK JUST TO [00:55:01] BE CONSISTENT AND FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT OF THE BUSINESS IN CONSISTENCY, I WOULD SAY JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING LIGHTING CODE, UH, MAYBE, UM, MAYBE APPROPRIATE. HOWEVER, IF COUNCIL WAS JUST TO KEEP THE ELEMENT OF THE, WAS IT THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING? UH, AGAIN, THERE ARE NO WINDOWS OR ANY HOMES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IF THAT IS A CONCERN, UH, I THINK THAT, UM, WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT SOMEBODY WOULD DRIVE BY AND SEE THE BUSINESS AND ASSUME, OH, HEY, HALF OF THEIR SIGN DOESN'T EVEN WORK. UM, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, I GUESS, BENEFICIAL. SO DOES ANYONE FROM A COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? YES. AS A BAKER GUEST, PLEASE KEEP YOUR MIC, TURN IT ON. YES. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. ABOUT SEVEN TO EIGHT, UM, WORKERS AT THAT SIDE, USUALLY A MAN IS STORE MANAGER AND THE REST ARE UNIFORMED EMPLOYEES THAT DO THE WORK. OKAY. AND WHAT WOULD BE THE TIMELINE FOR THE WORK? I DON'T KNOW, GENERAL OFFICE, UH, SORRY. OUR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE ABOUT SET UP EIGHT TO SEVEN DURING THE WEEK EIGHT TO SIX ON SATURDAYS AND 10 TO FIVE. AND WHAT WOULD BE THE TIMELINE FOR CONSTRUCTION CHANGEOVER PERIOD? WE CAN START IN THIS SPRING. IT TAKES US ABOUT FIVE MONTHS TO CONSTRUCT. SO LOOKING AT IT. AND HOW HIGH WOULD THE FENCE BE AROUND THE BACK TO THE BUFFER? EXISTING FENCE IS ABOUT SIX FEET. I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T MEASURED IT, BUT I DROVE THROUGH THERE AND IT'S, IT'S A REAL POLICY. AND AS IT STANDS NOW, THEY, THEY PUT A GATE THERE TO DETER TRAFFIC FROM CUTTING THROUGH. WOULD THAT STAY OR WOULD THAT GO? THAT'LL GO WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL, UH, MR. WINKOWSKI, UH, THE LIGHT LIGHTING THAT A MYSTERY SHAMA BROUGHT UP, WHAT WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE? UM, AFTER LOOKING AT THE SITE FURTHER, UM, MY INITIAL RECOMMENDATION WAS THE EAST FACING SIGN SINCE IT IS HIGHER THAN THE FENCE THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THAT IT COULD CREEP OVER THE FENCE AND THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT. IF YOU GO OUT THERE, THE VEGETATION NOW IS GROWN UP OVER THAT FENCE. SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THAT SIGN WITH THAT VEGETATION IN PLACE. PLUS THEY'RE ADDING MORE IN THAT AREA AS WELL. SO I SEE NO MEAT IN, UM, REQUIRING THAT TO BE, UH, TURNED OFF NOW BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE THROUGH THAT SCREENING. SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO COMPLY TO THE EXISTING SIGNING SIGN CODE, OUR EXISTING LIGHTING PLANNING. YOU HAVE THE SIGNS? YES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. MR. SHAW. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, UH, IN REVIEWING THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AND, UM, THE ATTACHMENTS THERE TOO. UM, I PERSONALLY MOVED FOR APPROVAL ON, UH, ON MONDAY, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UM, THE LIGHTING DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD HERE TONIGHT. I CAN, MR. SHAW, THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE, I THINK SO LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, UH, I LIKE WHAT YOU'VE DONE THERE, AND I THINK THE, THE EFFORT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR I THINK IS, IS EVIDENT. SO, AND CERTAINLY AS A BUSINESS, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL OVERALL CONCERN, MAKING SURE THAT AN AREA THAT WE PUT A BUSINESS IN THAT'S SO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, W WE'VE GOT TO KEEP EVERYBODY IN MIND AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, BUT THAT IT'S THE RIGHT MARRIAGE. UH, I THINK, UH, YOUR, YOUR COMMENT TO THAT DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ABOUT HOW SO MANY OF THESE TYPES OF SERVICE ORIENTED FACILITIES ARE, ARE TAKE PLACE AND ARE PRESENT WITHIN COMMUNITIES BECAUSE IT'S THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT ACTUALLY USE THOSE SERVICES. SO FOR ME TO GET MY OIL CHANGE, IF I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE 10 MILES DOWN THE ROAD OR GO INTO ANOTHER COMMUNITY, I'VE GOT SOMETHING RIGHT HERE, LOCALLY, THAT SERVICES, UM, YOU KNOW, MY NEEDS, UH, I DON'T CHANGE MY OWN OIL. I PAY THOSE PRICES TO HAVE AT MY OLD CHANGE. SO I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY CHANGE THEIR OWN. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T. SO, UH, SEEING THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, HEARING YOUR DISCUSSION, UH, I THINK THE, THE DESIRE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THOSE, UH, NEIGHBORS ALONG THE BOUNDARY, I THINK EXISTS. AND, UH, AND I [01:00:01] THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF A BUSINESS, THAT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO GET USED. I, I SEE IT AS A BUSINESS. THAT'S GOING TO BE USED BY OUR, BY OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY MAJOR HEARTBURN OVER, OVER THAT MARRIAGE OF THE BUSINESS THERE, UH, AS CLOSE AS IT MAY BE TO WHAT THOSE, THOSE RESIDENTS ARE. IT'S NOT A MACHINE SHOP, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A LOT OF MECHANICAL WORK GOING ON IN THE CARS. IT'S, IT'S, UH, I THINK PEOPLE GO THERE BECAUSE IT'S CONVENIENT. IT'S QUICK. SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TIME TO CREATE A BUNCH OF NOISE. SO, UH, SO YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH WHAT RICHARD SAID. DOESN'T GIVE ME ANY, ANY MAJOR HEARTBURN, BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE CERTAINLY UP TO, UP TO THIS COUNCIL TO, UH, TO APPROVE EVEN BASED ON WHAT OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, RECOMMENDATION WAS. SO, UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. MA'AM. WHO AM I MISSING? UH, I DO HAVE A PUBLIC CITIZENS COMMENT THAT WAS RECEIVED AROUND PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, THIS WAS RECEIVED TODAY AT 2:57 PM. THE SUBJECT REZONING VALVOLINE, LLC AT 74 80 OLD TROY PIKE, HUBER HEIGHTS COUNCIL. WE HAVE SOME SERIOUS RESERVATIONS REGARDING THEIR REQUEST FOR REZONING AT THE LOCATION ABOVE OUR RESIDENTS BACKS UP TO THE EAST SIDE REAR OF THIS PROPERTY. THE EXCESSIVE NOISE THAT WILL BE GENERATED BY THE IMPACT RANCHES AND COMPRESSORS USE FOR SUCH A BUSINESS ARE UNWANTED. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN OUR BACKYARD AND THIS NOISE WOULD BE VERY DISRUPTIVE TO US AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS WOULD ADD CONGESTION AT AN ALREADY OVERLY CROWDED INTERSECTION. ALL THE RETAIL ACROSS THE STREET, WHERE RIGHT PACK CREDIT UNION IS LOCATED, CAUSES TRAFFIC JAMS, ADDING TRAFFIC FROM VALVOLINE WOULD OVERLOAD THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE INTERSECTION, TRASH BLOWING INTO OUR YARD FROM THAT LOCATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE AS WELL. I'M SURE THIS WILL INCREASE IF THE REZONING IS PERMITTED, WE'VE LIVED IN HUMAN RIGHTS FOR ALMOST 21 YEARS. WE WOULD NOT HAVE PURCHASED OUR HOME WITH THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS NEXT DOOR. IF IT IS THE REASON WE MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER LEAVING HEBREW RIOTS, WE HELP YOU WILL SERIOUSLY RECONSIDER THIS REZONING APPLICATION REGARDING JENNIFER ROSS AND ROGER STUMP, 55 CLAXTON COURT. HE WRITES OHIO FOUR OR FIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. ROGERS, UH, ANY OTHER COUNCILORS HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD AFTER HEARING, UM, A RESIDENT VOICE, VOICE, THEIR CONCERN? YES MA'AM. YEAH. UM, I'LL SAY I'VE WORKED IN MANAGED FACILITIES OF THIS TYPE IN THE PAST. AND, UH, I WOULD ASK YOU, AND I THINK I KNOW WHAT THESE ANSWERS ARE, BUT, UH, WOULD THERE BE ANY TYPE OF VEHICLE MAINTENANCE GOING ON FROM THE STANDPOINT WHERE YOU WOULD USE A LOT OF IMPACT WRENCHES OR SO FORTH? AND IF YOU HAD A COMPRESSOR, WOULD IT BE LOCATED WITHIN A COMPRESSOR ROOM OR WITHIN A PIT WHERE YOUR, WHERE YOU'D BE DRAINING OIL? I WOULD SAID COMPRESSORS LOCATED IN A ROOM DEDICATED TO IT, AND IT HAS SOUND, SOUND INSTALLATION AROUND IT. AND IT'S A ABOUT A THREE HORSE MOTOR AND IT'S OF NEW DESIGN. AND YOU JUST DON'T HEAR, ONCE THE DOORS ARE SHUT AND THEY'RE SHOT IN WITH, UH, INSULATED HOLLOW METAL DOORS, YOU CAN'T HEAR IT. AND THEN THE IMPACT RANCH, MAYBE 10, 15% WILL ROTATE TIRES OF OUR, OF OUR CLIENTS, WHICH OUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 35, 40 CARS A DAY. SO, YOU KNOW, A HANDFUL OF CARS A DAY THAT MIGHT GET THEIR TIRES ROTATED. SO WE'LL DO, UH, DO THEM. EVERYTHING IS INSIDE THE BUILDING ITSELF. UH, NOTHING GOES OUTSIDE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING. WE DON'T PRAY A LOT OF NOISE GOES, THEY'RE NOT DOING BODY WORK AND THAT SORT OF THING, BODY SHOPS, THAT THEY TEND TO CREATE A LOT OF NOISE, BUT WE, WE DO NOT. IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST MAINTENANCE AND CHANGING THE WORLD. IT WOULD BE SAFE TO SAY THIS WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A REPAIR FACILITY. NO, NO, WE'RE JUST PURE MAINTENANCE. THANK YOU. SO ONCE THE CAR GOES IN BOTH BAY DOORS, FRONT AND BACK, OR BOTH OF THOSE CLOTHES, SO IT WAS ALL THE WORK BEING DONE INSIDE OF INSIDE OF A CLOSED AREA, OR ARE YOU LEAVING ONE OF THOSE DOORS OPEN IN THE SUMMER? WE DON'T HEAT. WE DON'T CALL A LOT. IT'S HARD TO CALL THAT SPACE. SO WE TRY TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN FOR OUR STAFF, BUT IN WINTER WE'LL HAVE IT CLOSED BECAUSE WE HAVE RADIANT HEATERS ABOVE THEM TO KEEP THEM WARM. BUT GENERALLY THERE IT'S SEASONAL, UH, DEPENDS ON WHAT SEASON IT IS. AND HOW MANY CARS PER DAY DID YOU SAY? WHAT IS AVERAGE OR WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT A SERVICE ON A DAILY BASIS PROJECTED IN THE 45 CARS PER DAY RANGE? SO WE DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. YES. MR. SHAW, THANK YOU. UM, FIRST MY, MY COMMENT WOULD BE TO OUR CLERK, IF YOU COULD DISSEMINATE THAT EMAIL TO ALL OF COUNCILS SO WE COULD HAVE THAT. UM, SECOND, UM, I PLAN ON REACHING OUT TO [01:05:01] THE, TO THE RESIDENT AND, UH, AND HOPEFULLY INFORMING THEM, BUT SOME OF THE DISCUSSION HERE TONIGHT, UM, SUCH AS THE ADDITIONAL TURN LANE THAT'S, THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO DECREASE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ISSUES AROUND THERE. UM, THE ADDITIONAL BUFFER, UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, VISITED SEVERAL OF THE FACILITIES, UM, AS, AS OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HAS STATED, UM, THERE'S NOT A, IN MY OPINION, A WHOLE LOT OF NOISE. UM, THE PROPERTIES ARE VERY WELL MAINTAINED. UM, AND I THINK THIS WOULD INCREASE, UH, THE BEAUTIFICATION IN THAT AREA, IN MY OPINION, UM, AS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPES OF NOISE AS COUNCILMAN OTTO HAD STATED, UH, TYPICALLY THOSE COMPRESSORS, UH, YOU KNOW, OF FLOOR JACKS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UM, ARE BUFFERED AND THINGS. UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF SOUND. UM, I, I'M GOING TO HAVE MORE SOUND COMING OUT OF MY GARAGE, NOT JUST FROM THE COMPLAINING, BUT, UH, OF MY OWN IMPACT, WRENCHES OF MY OWN COMPRESSOR COMING OUT OF MY GARAGE, THAT MY NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO HEAR, UH, INCLUDING, UH, THE, UH, VERY LOUD, UM, UH, MUSIC THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING FROM MY GARAGE. SO, UH, UM, I DON'T SEE THAT CAUSING A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND, UH, AND MARY, I WOULD DEFINITELY SUGGEST A ADDITIONAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, POSSIBLY REACHING OUT OR, YOU KNOW, VISITING A VALVOLINE, UH, LOCATION, UH, SUCH AS THIS ONE BEING PROPOSED, UH, BEFORE A MONDAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANYONE ON COUNCIL? AND I KNOW WITH THE, UH, SOME OF THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS THAT ARE UP, I'M ONLY SEEING ONE. SO IF, UH, IF, IF MR. HILL OR MR. WEBB, UH, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN'T SEE YOU YET. I WOULD, I WOULD NEED YOU TO VOICE YOUR OPINION THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION, UH, IF NOT, THAT'S FINE. ANYONE ELSE? YES. MR. WAKOWSKI, UM, JUST A REMINDER THAT MONDAY THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND A MASS. IT IS AN ORDINANCE IT'S SCHEDULED FOR TWO RATINGS, UM, IN LAST CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO WAIVE THE SECOND RATE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO I'M SEEING NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY AS A FIRST READING IN PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH THIS ONTO MONDAY. THANK YOU. NEXT UP AS ITEM [ Major Change - Basic Development Plan - Larkspur Storage Facility - 7650 Waynetowne Boulevard] THREE G A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASE OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN, LARKSPUR STORAGE FACILITY. IT'S 76 50 WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD. I'M NOT SURE WHO TO GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT. UH, 76 50 WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD IS THE OLD DAN BERRY THEATER SITE, UM, THAT THERE'S, UH, UP FOR SALE. AND THERE'S A POTENTIAL OF A PURCHASE FOR A, UM, STORAGE FOR, AT THE SITES. THE EXISTING SITES, AS I MENTIONED, IS BEING USED IN COMMERCIAL USE. IT IS PLANNED COMMERCIAL. NOW THAT IS THE ZONING OF THAT. AND ALL OF THE PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA, UM, THE REQUEST IS TO, IS FOR, UM, STORAGE, INDOOR STORAGE, UM, ONLY NO EXTERIOR STORAGE LIKE RVS OR, UH, BUILDING MATERIALS OR ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THESE WILL BE RENTAL UNITS THAT ARE ACCESSED FROM THE OUTSIDE, AND, UH, THEY ARE LOOKING TO UTILIZE THE PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE SITE FOR, UH, THESE TYPE OF BUILDINGS THEMSELVES. UM, WITH THAT THE ACCESS COMES OFF OF WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE TWO ACCESS POINTS. THEY ARE LOOKING TO CLOSE. ONE OF THE CURB CUTS AND ONLY HAVING THE NORTHERN CURB CUT BE USED FOR THE FACILITY. THEY WILL HAVE, UH, A SECURITY FENCING AROUND THE WHOLE FACILITY, UM, AND A, AN OFFICE AT THE FRONT ITSELF. UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS LOOKED AT THIS FOR ACCESS AND, UH, THERE'S, UH, IN THE, THIS IS FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, REQUEST IN THE DETAILED PHASE. THEY WILL, UH, WORK ON SOME OF THE TURN RADIUS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, UH, THROUGH. SO THE REQUEST IS FOR THE USE CHANGE TO ALLOW FOR THE, UH, STORAGE UNITS THEMSELVES. UM, THIS IS, UH, CURRENTLY ALL AROUND. IT ARE COMMERCIAL USES. UM, AS YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH WAS APPROVED FOR THE, UH, THE NEW, UH, FURNITURE STORE AND DIRECTLY TO THE EAST IS THE BACK OF THE, UH, THE WING TOWN SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF. UM, THE, UH, MR. SCHOMER [01:10:01] MAY BE ABLE TO, UH, TALK TO SOME OF THE DISCUSSION IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SINCE I WAS NOT THERE. UM, BUT, UM, AS THIS, THIS DOES HAVE PUBLIC UTILITIES AT THE SITE AND THEY WOULD BE MODIFYING THE EXISTING DETENTION BASIN THAT IS LOCATED ON THE SITE, UM, TO BRING IT UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS AS THIS WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED YEARS AGO. UM, AND, UH, SOME OF THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED. SO, UM, UH, THAT WILL BE PART OF THIS PROCESS AND WE'LL GET A FINAL, UH, DETENTION CALCULATIONS AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT STAGE. SO LIKE THE 12 ACRE PARKING LOT. YES. UM, SO A PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS FOUR TO ONE. UM, AND AS THE SAME AS THE LAST ONE, THIS WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY AND SCHEDULED FOR TWO READINGS. AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH, UH, SO, UM, THEY WOULD COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION WITH FINAL ENGINEERING DRAWINGS FOR THE DETAILED PLAN. UM, THE ALSO ANOTHER HEAVILY LANDSCAPED SITE, UM, SO AROUND THE WHOLE FENCE LINE, UM, TREES ALONG LANE TOWN BOULEVARD, AND THEN ALSO ALONG, UH, THE, UH, THE EXTERIOR OF THE SITE ITSELF AND, UH, THE, UH, THE BUILDING MATERIALS AND EVERYTHING ARE STANDARD CODE FOR, UM, THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS THE ALL MASONRY. UM, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGH THAT PROCESS HAS THE ABILITY TO APPROVE SOME MODIFICATIONS THERE, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY AND THE APPLICANTS HERE AS WELL. OKAY. MR. OTTO, SCOTT WITH THE, UH, THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, THE ENTIRE PARCEL, OR WOULD THERE BE ANY ROOM LEFT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OR OUTLINES? IS THERE A PLAN IS TO UTILIZE THE WHOLE PROPERTY, UM, JUST FOR STORAGE, UH, THE, UH, NORTHWEST CORNER YOU SEE THERE, THAT'S WHERE THE DETENTION IS. SO THAT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR AN OUTLET AS MUCH AS THEY COULD. SO THEY WOULD TAKE DOWN THE TWO STORY THEATER. YES. IT WOULD BE A COMPLETE RAISING OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND REDEVELOPING THE WHOLE SITE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. MR. SHAW, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, UM, HAVING, UH, HAVING REVIEWED THIS AND EVEN SPEAKING WITH, UH, SOME OF THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM BIG SANDY'S, UH, WHO WAS CURRENTLY DOING WORK AT THE OLD RACQUETBALL CLUB RIGHT NEXT DOOR. UH, THEY ARE VERY EXCITED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT ONLY INCREASES THEIR BEAUTIFICATION ALONG THAT AREA. UM, UH, I KNOW WHEN I, FIRST I SPOKE WITH, UH, SOME OF THE REPRESENTATIVES IN THE FORMAT OF THE SITE OVER THERE, THEY ACTUALLY ASKED ME WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THAT BIG EYESORE OVER THERE. AND I SAID SOON, SO, UH, UH, I, I'M PERSONALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD. UM, SCOTT, YOU DID SAY THAT A PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BE ABLE TO MODIFY THE MASONARY REQUEST. IS THAT CORRECT? IT WOULD BE ABLE TO APPROVE BASICALLY LIKE A VARIANCE, BUT IN THE DETAILS AND THE DETAILS. SO WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THE BASIC, THE DETAILED IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH, WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO PLANNING COMMISSION ON SAYING HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ADDRESSED, UM, PERSONALLY, UM, I THINK JUST THE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING, THE BEAUTIFICATION ALONG WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD, UM, WILL ENHANCE THAT AREA A HUNDRED FOLD. UM, I KNOW FOR THE LONGEST TIME, UH, DRIVING THROUGH THERE, UM, IT'S JUST A HUGE EYESORE, UH, IT'S GOT, AS YOU SAID, A VERY LARGE PARKING LOT IN IT AND, UH, NOT VERY MAINTAINED, I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT SOME KIDS OVER THERE THAT USES IT FOR, UH, SOME, UH, CAR SHOWS OR WHATNOT THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER ON A TICK TOCK, SNAPCHAT, OR ONE OF THOSE WINGDING THINGS THAT THEY GOT GOING ON. UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S MY, MY OPINION. UM, I, UM, I LIKED THE, I LIKED IDEA I HAVEN'T VISITED, UM, AND REVIEWED A COUPLE OF, UM, UH, THESE POTENTIAL AREA, THESE POTENTIAL SITES THAT, UH, THE INDOOR STORAGE, UH, THEY'RE VERY, VERY GOOD LOOKING PROPERTIES. UH, THEY'RE NOT YOUR STANDARD, UM, KIND OF A SLAP UP AND GO. THEY ARE ON SOLID FOUNDATION. UM, SO, UH, REALLY EXCITED FOR THAT BEAUTIFICATION IN THAT AREA. THANK YOU. I KNOW, EVEN JUST AS EARLY AS LAST YEAR, I REMEMBER WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, WITH MAINTENANCE OF IT, THE NOT MAINTENANCE, BUT, UH, THE YELLOW SIGNS. SO THEY WERE, YEAH, I MEAN THE PROPERTY OWNER CURRENTLY WASN'T EVEN MAINTAINING, CUTTING THE GRASS. UM, I SEEN SOME COHEN AND FINALLY SOMEBODY HAD GOT THERE AND HAD DONE THOSE GRASS OVER THE FRONT END OF CARS AND PEOPLE COMPLAINING [01:15:01] AND WERE UPSET AND MAD. AND SO I THINK JUST FROM A, FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE TO SOMETHING ALONG THERE THAT, UH, ENHANCES THAT, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY AN AREA THAT WE'VE ALL LOOKED AT AND, AND, AND JUST WONDERED WHAT, WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING ON, WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S THE BEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY? WHAT, WHY ARE WE NOT REDEVELOPING THAT AREA, UM, WITH GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, TO THE NORTH. SO THAT, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A BIG QUESTION TO ME AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING ON. SO I AM EXCITED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT. THE ONLY THING THAT I DON'T LIKE IS I KNOW I, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT STORAGE FACILITIES, IT'S PROBABLY ONE EMPLOYEE AND WORKING 40 HOURS A WEEK. SO THERE'S NOT MUCH OF AN INCOME TAX, YOU KNOW, REVENUE THERE. I KNOW THEY'RE EXTREMELY PROFITABLE BUSINESSES THOUGH. SO FROM BUSINESS TAX AND, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE SOME INCOME INTO THE CITY ON THE PROFITABILITY OF THE BUSINESS, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT TAKES UP A LOT OF SPACE, UH, WITH ONE OR TWO EMPLOYEES. UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT, BUT IT'S NOT, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN STOPPING, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS GROWTH OF THE CITY OVER THAT. UM, IT'S JUST A COMMENT THAT COMMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD. UH, SO RAY KNOWS KIND OF WHERE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THIS? YES. MRS. BAKER. WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR CONSTRUCTION? I'M SORRY. HI, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JEFF PADDOCK. I REPRESENT LOCKSBURG PROPERTIES. WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT AN EIGHT MILE, UH, CONSTRUCTION TIME, STARTING IN. WE'RE HOPING TO GET STARTED. PROBABLY I WOULD SAY JANUARY. AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUILDINGS GO ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO THE ENDS OF EACH OF THE FENCE. SO WOULD THE CARS BE ABLE TO PULL AROUND THE END OR CAN WE SPEAK TO THAT? UM, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU A RENDERING THAT WE HAVE I'M PULLING IN HERE SOMEWHERE WHEN YOU'RE ON THE ENDS OF THE BUILDING BOULEVARD. SO THERE'LL BE INTERNAL CIRCULATION. I WAS JUST WORRIED ABOUT WORD SECRETS, NOT BEING ABLE TO GO AROUND. THEY NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO GET A HOLLOW BUILDING, CIVIL ENGINEER, FIRE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. YEAH. THEN THE FIRE TRUCK GENERALLY CAN GET AROUND. THERE WERE SOME PERIODS THAT ARE A LITTLE TIGHT, WHICH IS WHY THEY COMMENT IT FOR US TO KIND OF TWEAK THE BUILDINGS OVER. AND ONCE WE GO BACK TO THE FINAL DETAILS, HAVING MOVED SEVERAL TIMES, IT'S NO FUN TO BACK UP A TRAILER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE YOU. WELCOME TO WEAVER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. TO SHOP. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T CATCH IT. IT WAS A JEFF. YES, JEFF. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS. UM, JUST OUT OF MY OWN CURIOSITY. UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE POTENTIAL INVESTMENT IS? UM, ON THIS? I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER THAT TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY. MY POSITION IS DIRECTOR OF DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, AND HE WILL BE ATTENDING NEXT WEEK'S MEETING. PERFECT. OKAY. THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THAT QUESTION IS PROBABLY COMING. YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR ANY ONE OF THE, FOR THE REPS? ANY OBJECTIONS, ANY OBJECTIONS DID YOU HAVE, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING PLEASE CONFERRING WITH SCOTT AND JERRY'S STAFF EARLIER THIS WEEK? AND I WAS JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE MY CLIENT, I UNDERSTAND LIKE THE PROCESS, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE HERE NOW FOR CITY COUNCIL, IT'LL GO READING ON MONDAY AND THEN OUR FINAL DETAILED PLAN JUST GOES BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION. IS THAT CORRECT? CAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE CONCERNS ON THE BUILDING MATERIAL TYPE. YES. UM, AND JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, CAUSE IT'S A PLANT COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TECHNICALLY ALLOWED TO DIVERT FROM THAT WITHOUT A VARIANCE. UM, BUT THE CODE STRICTLY READS COMMERCIAL SHOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, MASONRY, WHICH, UH, THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR THESE BUILDING TYPES. AND SO I THINK FOR MY CLIENTS WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT [01:20:06] I GIVE A LITTLE INSIGHT INTO THAT, UM, GENERALLY THE AREAS THAT WOULD FACE THE STREET FRONTAGE, UM, THAT THAT'S THE TYPE OF STUFF THAT GENERALLY, UH, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR FOR AS MUCH COMPLIANCE TO THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS. YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU GET INTO THE INTERIOR OF THE, UH, OF THE COMPLEX, IT'S LIKELY NOT AS IMPORTANT. UH, IN FACT, A COUPLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS WERE KIND OF PRELIMINARILY DISCUSSING THAT. SO, UM, AND THAT'S, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FINALIZING THE ELEVATIONS TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT THEY SAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND THEN THE ACTUAL, THE OFFICE PORTION OF IT, OR THE END CAP THAT FACED THE ROAD TYPICALLY ARE THE NICER, YOU KNOW, MASONRY. AND THEN THEY USE MORE OF THE EFS MATERIAL, CORRECT? YES. YES. AND THEN IF THIS IS FINE, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE RELEVANT WHEN YOU, UH, SUBMIT FOR A DETAILED PLAN. THAT'S ALL. I JUST, I APPRECIATE IT. SURE. NO PROBLEM. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE FOR FUTURE DISCUSSIONS. SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE GUIDELINE FOR THAT. OKAY. SO I'LL ASK HIM MORE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM, UH, ANY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, BEFORE MOVING FORWARD AGAIN, THERE WE GO. SO THERE'S A MRS. VIRGIN, MR. WEBB. SO SING NO QUESTIONS THERE, ANY OBJECTIONS THEN TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY EVENING FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST READING. OKAY. SEEING NONE HEARING NONE. WE'LL DO THAT. OKAY. WE'LL SEE YOU MONDAY NEXT WEEK. WAS THAT IN THREE [ Request For Proposals - 2021 Nuisance Mowing/Abatement Contracts] H REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS FOR THE 2021 NUISANCE MOWING AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS AS WELL? I'VE GOT THAT AS WELL. SCOTT. SO EVERY YEAR OUR, UH, ZONING DEPARTMENT, UM, CONTRACTS WITH, UH, USUALLY A SEPARATE CONTRACTORS FOR MAUI AND FOR NUISANCE ABATEMENTS. UM, THE PAST TWO YEARS THAT HAS BEEN THE SAME CONTRACTOR AND WE'VE HAD TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO ALLOW FOR, UM, AN INCREASE IN, UM, THE ALLOWABLE SPENDING WITH ONE CONTRACTOR. UH, WE PUT THIS OUT TO BID EVERY YEAR. UH, SO OUR REQUEST THIS YEAR, UM, THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT IS WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST AHEAD OF TIME TO PLACE THIS OUT TO PUBLIC BID, TO ALLOW FOR THE FULL 26,000 FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ONE VENDOR TO BID FOR BOTH. AND THE POSSIBILITY OF GETTING BOTH CONTRACTS, IF THEY HAVE THE LOWEST AND BEST BID, UH, FOR THAT, UM, OR TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE SEPARATE. SO WE'D LIKE TO GET THAT OUT TO BID NOW TO BE READY FOR THE FIRST OF THE, UH, WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THE MOWING UNTIL MARCH OR APRIL, BUT THE NUISANCE ABATEMENTS, UH, THERE ARE TIMES IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, WE'VE HAD TO, UH, UTILIZE THEIR SERVICES. SO OUR REQUEST IS TO GO OUT TO BED. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS OR MR. KOSKI? YES. JUST FUN COMMENT JUST TO PROLONG THE MEETING A LITTLE BIT. UM, REMEMBER THE EXTRA THAT WE ADDED FOR THE ABATEMENT OF MENLO PARK. WELL, SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, THEY MANAGED TO BREAK INTO IT. SO, UH, BUT LUCKILY WE, WE CAUGHT THEM AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY RESTITUTION FOR THE, UH, METAL GATE WORK. AND OUR, THAT WAS BUILT BOLT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY BROUGHT PLASMA CUTTERS WITH THEM OR WHAT, BUT SOME KIND OF BULK CUTTERS HERE. RIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT, UH, THAT BED TO MONDAY, SEEING NOT HEARING THAT AND MOVE THAT ONTO MONDAY NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, [ Extension - Temporary Waiver Of Restrictions And Enforcement Activities - Responsible Restart Ohio] WHICH IS AN EXTENSION, THE TEMPORARY WAIVER OF RESTRICTIONS AND ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES FOR RESPONSIBLE RESTART OHIO SCOTT, AS YOU RECALL, BACK IN MAY, UH, CITY COUNCIL PASSED A LEGISLATION, UH, AUTHORIZED IN THE CITY MANAGER TO ISSUE TEMPORARY WAIVERS OF THINGS LIKE SOME THINGS THAT ARE SIGNED CODE AND ALSO SOME OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS FOR, UH, BUSINESSES. WE'RE STARTING TO GET CLOSE TO THE DEADLINE, WHICH WE ORIGINALLY PUT AS SIX MONTHS OR THE, UH, CANCELLATION OF THE RESTRICTIONS FROM THE STATE. UH, WHICHEVER IS, UH, COMES FIRST. WELL, THE, UH, THE STATE HAS NOT REMOVED THOSE RESTRICTIONS YET. WE'RE COMING UP ON THAT SIX [01:25:01] MONTH TIME PERIOD IN NOVEMBER. SO THE REQUEST IS TO EXTEND THAT AND, UM, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO EXTEND TO 30 DAYS AFTER THE STATE REMOVES THOSE RESTRICTIONS. SO WHENEVER THAT MAY BE, UH, INSTEAD OF HAVING, UM, THE, UH, THE SIX MONTH PART SIX MONTH WAS KIND OF, UH, SEE HOW IT GOES AND IT'S GONE VERY WELL. THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THIS AND, UH, ARE VERY THANKFUL, UH, FOR CITY COUNCIL FOR, UH, UH, ALLOWING FOR THIS TYPE OF THING, WITH THAT ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE AND SOME OF THOSE, UH, OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS. THE WINTER IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING HOW THEY CAN DO SOME OF THAT, BUT, UM, THIS GIVES US THE POWER TO HELP WORK WITH THEM. THANKS, THANKS SCOTT, FOR THOSE COMMENTS. AND THAT REALLY WAS MY ONLY COMMENT OR QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE PASS THOSE, WE PASS THAT ORDINANCE ALLOWING FOR THAT. AND ON THE SURFACE, IT SEEMS REALLY GOOD, YOU KNOW? YEAH. WE'VE DONE THAT TO ALLOW, UH, THOSE BUSINESSES SOME HELP, BUT ON THE GROUND, ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE REALLY SEEING THE, THE ADVANTAGE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT GAVE THEM. I MEAN, I KNOW I'VE, I'VE SEEN SOME, BUT I MEAN, IS THAT IS THE FEELING AROUND OUR BUSINESS COMMITTEE. THAT WAS, IT WAS A GREAT THING TO DO. YEAH. SO, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, THERE, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE UTILIZED THIS IN SOME WAY. UM, WHETHER IT'S ADDING AN ADDITIONAL, UM, WE'LL CALL IT PATIO AREAS OUT ON THE SIDEWALKS. UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, ELTORO DID THAT. AND LAS PYRAMID IS A, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE SIGNAGE IS ONE OF THE BIG ONES THAT, UM, UH, A MAJORITY OF THE RESTAURANTS HAVE UTILIZED THAT TO SAY, HEY, YES, WE'RE OPEN, COME SEE US. OKAY. IT'S JUST ALWAYS NICE TO KNOW THAT THE THINGS THAT WE, THAT WE DO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT IT'S ACTUALLY HAVING A REAL WORLD EFFECT. IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE ALL VOTE ON AND PASS, BUT IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT IT'S, THAT THAT'S WORKING AT THE LEVEL THAT IT WAS MEANT TO WORK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. YES. MR. OTTO, QUICK COMMENT. NOT ONLY DO I SUPPORT THIS, BUT I APPRECIATE STAFF'S ACTIONS TO ACTUALLY BE PROACTIVE ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I HAD TALKED TO SOME FOLKS WHO, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S SPECIFICALLY, THE SIGNAGE HAS HELPED A LOT TO, TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT, HEY, WE'RE STILL IN BUSINESS, COME ON IN. YOU KNOW, WE WERE ACCOMMODATING. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. I THINK I SHOT IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. MR. SHAW, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR SCOTT. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GOVERNOR'S ORDERS ON ALL MEASURES, UH, AND AS OF DECEMBER 1ST, UM, THAT WOULD PUT A TIME TABLE ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION, THE ONLY WAY. AND THEN THIS IS FROM, FROM MY READING AND MY CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, MANY OF OUR, UH, FOLKS IN COLUMBUS, UM, THAT THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT CAN BE EXTENDED OUT OF DECEMBER 1ST IS BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OR THE GOVERNOR EXTENDING THOSE ORDERS OUT. AND THAT'S JUST NOT ON THE DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY THAT'S ON THE BLANK ON ALL ORDERS. UH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO HAVE JERRY LOOK INTO AND, AND CONFIRM, AND WE CAN JUST PUT A DECEMBER 1ST DATE ON THERE, UM, AND, OR LOOK AT IT INTO A FUTURE. SO, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES HAVE SOME SORT OF FORECASTING ON THAT. UM, BUT, UH, BUT NO, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN EXTEND THAT OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A CHARTER COMMUNITY, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST TO LOOK AT IF WE CAN MOVE THAT FORWARD AND DO THAT. UM, BECAUSE I WILL SAY THERE'S SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE THAT HAS HURT MANY OF OUR RESTAURANTS AND SMALL BUSINESSES, UH, HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I KNOW THIS COUNCIL AND THE CITY HAS DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BETTER, UM, AND TO TRY TO KEEP THOSE BUSINESSES OPEN. SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS, UH, AS WE CAN SEE THOSE COMING DOWN THE PIKE. UM, AND IF DECEMBER 1ST IS OUR CUTOFF DATE, WHAT CAN WE DO AFTER THAT? UM, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO IT DOESN'T REALLY COME. SO I WOULD THINK THEN THAT'S PROBABLY A DEEPER DISCUSSION WE TO HAVE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. CAUSE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR TIMELINE, EVEN COUNCIL MEETINGS, WE HAVE ONE MORE IN OCTOBER ONE IN NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER TWO, NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR. SO, SO WE'D HAVE THREE MORE MEETINGS AFTER MONDAY BEFORE WE WOULD GET TO DECEMBER 1ST, WHERE WERE THOSE ORDERS AND WHAT WOULD GO AWAY. SO I THINK, UH, IF WE'RE AT THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO EXTEND THAT TIME LANE, THAT TIMELINE ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT DECEMBER 1ST, WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW MANY MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY PERTINENT THAT WE TALK ABOUT THAT AND FIGURE THAT OUT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. WELL, I, YEAH, AND I, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY SOMETHING TO FOLLOW UP WITH JERRY. I MEAN, THE, THE WHOLE PRETEXT OF THIS AND OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, THAT HAVE OCCURRED AS A RESULT OF THE DECLARATION OF THE EMERGENCY REALLY ARE DERIVED AROUND THE [01:30:01] EXISTENCE OF THAT STATE OF EMERGENCY WHAT'S. THE STATE OF EMERGENCY IS OVER, ARE NO LONGER VALID. THEN MANY OF THOSE MEASURES ARE NOT, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE BASED ON IT. SO IS THAT HB ONE 97? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? UC ONE 97 THAT GOES AWAY DECEMBER 1ST OR WILL BE ONE 97 AS A COMPONENT OF A FEW OF THE OTHER DIRECTORS AND THE HOUSE BILLS, BUT THEY'RE ALL TIED TO THE DECLARATION WRITERS. SO WHILE THE CURRENT LEGISLATION READS THAT, UM, WHATEVER THE DATE IS IN NOVEMBER AT THAT DATE, THIS LEGISLATION EXPIRES. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE EXTENSION, EVEN IF IT IS TWO 30 DAYS AFTER THE DECEMBER 1ST, OR IF THE GOVERNOR DOES EXTEND IT OR WHATEVER, THEN WE'RE COVERED. LOOK, WE PICKED THE 30 DAYS FOR PEOPLE TO MIGHT TAKE SOME TIME TO YOUR FACE. IF THEY'VE GOT STRUCTURE SET UP TO BREAK THEM DOWN, ET CETERA, TO GO BACK TO FULL CAPACITY, UH, WITHIN THEIR EXISTING THINGS. SO THAT'S WHY WE SAID, WELL, WHENEVER IT'S OVER, THEN THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO REGAIN BACK INTO COMPLIANCE OF THE EXISTING CODE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. MRS. BURCH, YOU'RE ON MUTE. SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU START TALKING, AS, UM, SCOTT MENTIONED, THIS DOES EXPIRE ON NOVEMBER 11TH, UM, AS A MINIMUM, I THINK WE SHOULD EXPECT EXTENDED TILL, UH, THE END OF DECEMBER, BUT IF WE PUT IT ON THERE, UM, AT THE END OF THE EMERGENCY, CAUSE WHAT I THINK MIGHT HAPPEN IS BECAUSE THIS BASICALLY FACILITATES, UH, UH, THE BUSINESSES DURING THE WARMER CLIMATE THAT, THAT MAY NOT GET EXPEND A, YOU KNOW, EXTENDED BY THE GOVERNOR OVER THE WINTER MONTHS. UM, AND THEN IF, IF THIS GOES ON, THEN HE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, SPECULATING PURELY YOU DON'T PUT IT BACK ON IN THE SPRING SO THAT THE BUSINESSES CAN RESUME THIS PRACTICE. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN LEGISLATIVELY, UH, OVERRIDE OR EVEN EXTEND WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER IS SAYS. IT SAYS RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'LL, IT WOULD GO UNTIL DECEMBER 1ST OR WHENEVER THE EMERGENCY ENDED, IF IT WAS BEFORE THAT, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE, UH, WHAT WE JUST SAID IS THAT WE IT'S ALL PREDICATED ON THE EXISTENCE OF THE EMERGENCY AND WHEN OUR EMERGENCY IS OVER, THEN THIS IS OVER, BUT WE ARE ALLOWING KIND OF A 30 DAY PERIOD OF RE COMPLIANCE BACK INTO THE EXISTING CODE. BUT CAN WE DO THAT LEGALLY? YES, WE CAN'T. WE, WE MADE THE PROVISIONS FOR EXEMPTION. WE CAN REMOVE IT. OKAY. WELL MAYBE I, OKAY. I WAS JUST THINKING THAT WE, WE COULD EXTEND IT TO THE END OF THE YEAR THERE OR UNTIL THEIR ORDERS OR, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T, WE CAN'T EXTEND PROVISIONS FOR EXEMPTIONS FOR A STATE OF EMERGENCY IF A STATE OF EMERGENCY DOESN'T EXIST. SO THE WHOLE PREMISE AND FOUNDATION OF THE EXEMPTION WILL BE BASED AROUND BECAUSE THERE IS A DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY. AND IF THAT STATE OF EMERGENCY IS NO LONGER VALID, THEN THE PREMISE OF THE EXEMPTION THEREBY IS NO LONGER VALID. SO I THINK THAT THE ISSUE WOULD BE, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO EXTEND IT FOR 60 DAYS AFTER IT WAS OVER? OR IF THE STATE TAKES OVER TO GIVE MORE TIME OR SOMETHING. BUT I THINK SO, BUT YOU'RE JUST RECOMMENDING 30. AND THEN IF IT NEEDED TO BE EXTENDED FURTHER, WE'D HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. WE DON'T SEE WHY IT WOULD NEED TO BE. UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S COLD AND ONCE RESTAURANTS CAN GO BACK TO THEIR FULL CAPACITY, UM, IT'S PROBABLY A MOOD ISSUE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT IS WHAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS. THIS IS WHEN OR AFTER BUSINESSES CAN GO BACK TO OPERATING AS NORMAL, WE'RE JUST GIVING THEM AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS TO BE ABLE TO REVERT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL CODE. SO WHATEVER CHANGES THAT THEY'VE MADE IN SIGNAGE AND ALL THAT, THEY HAVE A 30 DAY OPPORTUNITY TO GET BACK TO MEETING THE STANDARD CODE. OKAY. MR. AUTO. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT CONFUSED HERE BECAUSE WHEN SCOTT FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT IT WAS A, WE DIDN'T HAVE A DATE ON IT SPECIFIC. IT WAS UNTIL THE EMERGENCY [01:35:01] ORDERS ARE LIFTED. SO WE JUST HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONVERSATION ABOUT DATES AND I WAS WONDERING WHY. YEAH. OKAY. RELEVANT. CAUSE THERE'S NO REAL, WE'RE NOT PUTTING A DATE ON THIS. THIS WILL JUST BE IN EXTENDED INDEFINITELY UNTIL THE ORDERS LIFTED. AND THEN EVERY BUSINESS HAS 30 DAYS TO COME BACK INTO NORMAL COMPLIANCE. GREG. THAT IS CORRECT. IF THE STATE TAKES ACTION, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD WERE EXTENDED AUTOMATICALLY BY DEPARTMENT. RIGHT. IT'S TIED TO THAT EMERGENCY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR CONFUSING. ALL OF US, RICHARD, WHEN YOU'RE BORN DECEMBER 1ST, I WAS, I WAS TRYING TO BRING SOME CLARIFICATION INTO AN AISLE. IT LOOKS LIKE ALL I DID WAS JUST A MESS UP THE WHEELHOUSE. SO I APOLOGIZE. I WILL KEEP THE ADULT CONVERSATION SO MANY. WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. THAT WAS A GOOD EXERCISE. NICE EXTENDED MEETING. YEAH. ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT ONTO MONDAY? OKAY. SEEING, NOT HEARING THEM. UH THAT'S WHERE IT'LL GO. AND NEXT UP AS ITEM THREE, I, WHICH IS EXTENSION FOR THE TEMPORARY WAIVER OF RESTRICTIONS. OH NO, I'M SORRY. YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO TOUCH IT. WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT ONE AGAIN. I DIDN'T MARK IT OFF YET. UH, SO NEXT [ Moral Claim - Sanitary Sewer Backup - Showplace Drive] UP IS ITEM THREE, J WHICH IS THE MORAL CLAIM FOR SANITARY SEWER BACKUP ON SHOWPLACE DRIVE. I GOT THAT AS WELL. YEAH. UM, BACK IN MAY, THERE WAS A, UH, WEATHER EVENTS THAT, UH, AND THEN THERE WAS A SANITARY SEWER BACKUP ON PLACE DRIVE. UM, THE, UH, RESIDENTS AT ONE OF THE HOUSES ON THAT STREET, UH, CALLED OUT A PLUMBER. AND THEN ALSO, UH, UH, UH, SUEZ WAS CALLED OUT TO LOOK AT THE MAIN LINE. IT TURNS OUT THE MAIN LINE WAS CLOGGED. UH, SO THAT WAS PART OF THE PUBLIC SEWER THAT HAD THE ISSUE, UM, IN THE LINE ITSELF THAT CAUSED A BACKUP INTO THAT RESIDENCE. UM, THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE AND CLEAN UP WITHIN THAT RESIDENCE WAS, UH, UH, JUST UNDER $14,000. THEIR HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE COVERED $10,000 OF THAT. SO THEY ARE REQUESTING FROM THE CITY TO BE REIMBURSED THE DIFFERENCE, WHICH IS $3,981 AND 17 CENTS. UH, THE SEWER LINE ITSELF, UM, HAD BEEN CLEANED PER OUR STANDARD CONTRACT. SO IT WAS WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME, UM, THAT, UH, SO THE R SUEZ, UH, UM, HAD CLEANED IT, I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT FOUR YEARS BEFORE THAT. AND OUR CONTRACT IS EVERY FIVE YEARS, THEY NEED TO CLEAN OUT EACH OF THOSE SEWERS. SO THERE HAS HAPPENED TO BE A BLOCKAGE THAT WAS IN OUR MAIN LINE AND THE REQUEST IS FOR THAT, THE DIFFERENCE TO BE REIMBURSED. OKAY. THANK YOU, SCOTT. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THAT? YES. MR. WEBB, THANK YOU. MA'AM SCOTT WILL IN ANY WAY PREJUDICE THE INSURANCE COMPANY, AS FAR AS THEM COMING AFTER US FOR THE REMAINDER? I DON'T THINK I CAN ANSWER THAT. THAT'S MORE OF A LEGAL THING, I THINK. YEAH. UM, IN, IN DISCUSSING WITH, UH, MR. MCDONALD, THIS, UH, THIS VERY TOPIC, UM, IT'S NOT BELIEF, SO THEY DO HAVE COVERAGE. UH, IT'S ALREADY A CLAIM THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND COVERED. UH, THIS IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE HOMEOWNER AND THE CITY, UH, NOT THE INSURANCE COMPANY TO RELIEVE, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, BURDEN BEYOND THE INSURANCE CLAIMS. SO, UH, IT, IT SHOULD BE A SEPARATE AND DISTINCT, UM, AGREEMENT THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE TERM OF THEIR POLICY AND, OR, UM, THE AWARD OF THAT CLAIM FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. WEBB, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING US TO THE GREEN? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE THIS ON TO THE COUNCIL MEETING. AND NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE [ Request For Proposals - Parking Area - Belle Plain Park] K REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, PARKING AREA, BILL PLANE PARK, C SCOTT MESSING WITH THE COMPUTER. SO, OKAY. UM, OUTLET, UH, BELLE PLAINE PARK. UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE DID SOME IMPROVEMENTS AT, UH, UH, THAT PARK THAT INCLUDES SOME NEW PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. AND FROM THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL USAGE AT THAT PARK THAT WE'VE NOTICED. AND WE'VE, UH, HEARD SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT PARKING, UM, ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THAT PARK TO THE NORTH IS MARK [01:40:01] AVENUE, WHICH MARK AVENUE ITSELF HAS A SMALLER THAN NORMAL STREET SECTION. IT IS FROM BACA CURVED BACK CURB OF ONLY 20 FEET. OUR STANDARD STREET, LOCAL STREET IS 27 FEET. SO WE HAVE PUT UP SIGNS ALONG MARK AVENUE STATING NO PARKING. UH, SO THERE'S NO AVAILABILITY TO PARK, NOT THE NORTH END OF THIS, UH, PARK ITSELF DOWN ON THE SOUTH. YOU HAVE BELL PLAIN DRIVE THAT, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN OUR STANDARD. IT'S 30 FEET WIDE, BUT WE HAVE A, IT'S A WITH A, THE, A YELLOW STRIPE IN THE CENTER. UM, THERE IS, UH, ALSO WITH SOME DRIVEWAYS AND EVERYTHING. IT'S A LITTLE HARDER TO PARK IN THAT AREA AS WELL. UM, UM, BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S STRIPED AND IT'S NOT STANDARD, UM, PARKING AREA FOR A PARK. SO WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IS TO KEEP IMPROVING OUR PARKS ABOUT ADDING SOME PARKING SPACES, UH, AT THE, UH, ON THE BELLE PLAINE DRIVE SIDE OF THE PARK THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR, UH, EASIER ACCESS TO THE SITES, UM, AND ALLOW FOR A HANDICAP PARKING SPACE, AS WE DID ADD SOME ADA EQUIPMENT THAT, UH, THIS WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO MAKE IT EASIER TO GET IN AND OUT OF THIS LOCATION, UM, OF WHAT I'VE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN AS A, AS A DRAWING OF WHAT, UH, TO ALLOW FOR ABOUT NINE PARKING SPACES. WE DID ADD A, UM, ANOTHER WALKWAY THAT LEADS FROM THE CURB UP TO THAT WALKING PATH. THIS LAYOUT HERE WILL ALLOW FOR YOU TO DO PULL IN PARKING ANGLED, PARKING, TO, UH, KEEP FROM HAVING TOO MUCH INTRUSION INTO THE PARK. UM, IT LOOKED AT THE IDEA OF POSSIBLY PUTTING WE'LL CALL IT A PARKING LOT INSIDE THE PARK, BUT THAT TAKES A LOT OF ROOM AND A LOT MORE MODIFICATION TO, UM, WHERE THE EXISTING SIGN IS AND SOME OF THE TREES AND THE WALKING PATH THAT WAY. SO THIS WAY YOU BE ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE PARKING SPACES, UH, PULL DIRECTLY IN, UH THERE'S UH, AND THEN, UH, BE ABLE TO BACK OUT AND STAY OFF OF THE STREET ITSELF. SO THE REQUEST IS TO PUT THIS OUT TO BED, UM, AND, UH, TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, TO CONTINUE IMPROVING OUR PART. THANK YOU, SCOTT CERTAINLY SEEMS REASONABLE ENOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, MR. SHAW. THANK YOU, SCOTT. UH, WHAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND THE ANGLE PARKING ANGLED PARKING IN THIS AREA IS SO THAT IT'S EASIER TO BACK UP INTO THE DRIVE LANE OF BELL PLANE. UM, SO THAT'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT SINCE THERE'S TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU'RE, AS YOU BACK UP WITH AN ANGLE, YOU STAY IN THE LANE, THAT'S TRAVELING IN ONE DIRECTION ONLY, AND NOT CROSS OVER THAT YELLOW LINE. SO IN ORDER TO ACCESS THOSE SPOTS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE TRAVELING WESTBOUND ON BELL PLANE. THOSE WHO ARE COMING EASTBOUND, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE TO TURN AROUND SOMEWHERE OR BACK INTO THE SPOT. I'VE SEEN THAT THIS TYPE OF LAYOUT IS USED QUITE A BIT, UM, IN, WE CALL THEM LIKE SOME DOWNTOWN AREAS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF TIMES AS PEOPLE WILL BACK INTO THOSE. I DO KNOW THAT AREA HAS KIND OF A RAISED CURB A LITTLE BIT OVER THERE. UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE IN THE RFPS, IF WE'RE GOING TO LEVEL THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT TO GET IN THERE, THE, THE INTENT IS TO REMOVE THE EXISTING CURB AND PUT IN, UM, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT RACED CURB IN THAT AREA. IT'S MAKE IT A SMOOTHER TRANSITION, UM, ESPECIALLY THE, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, UTILIZING, UH, FOR THE ADA, ADA ACCESSIBLE AND THAT KIND OF PERFECT. EXCELLENT. ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, MR. . I JUST WANT TO ADMIT THAT WHEN I SAW A PARKING LOT AT ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, I, MY MIND WENT TO A DIFFERENT PLACE SEEING THIS IT'S IT'S VERY MUCH PUT AT EASE. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE PERFECTLY FINE. I THINK IT WOULD FIT VERY WELL THERE, SCOTT, I APOLOGIZE IF YOU'VE ALREADY STATED THIS, BUT WHAT IS YOUR TIMELINE? THE TIMELINE WOULD BE AS SOON AS COUNCIL APPROVES, PUT IT OUT TO BID AND DEPENDING ON ASPHALT PLANTS, WHETHER THEY CAN BE ABLE TO GET THIS IN THIS YEAR OR NOT. IF THE ASPHALT PLANTS CLOSE BEFORE THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THE WORK, THEY WILL BE FIRST THING IN THE SPRING. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, AND RIGHT NOW, MRS. BERG AND MR. HILL, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE YOU. I COULD ONLY HEAR YOU BECAUSE OF THE, UH, UH, KIND OF THE DIAGRAM UP ON THE, ON THE SCREEN. SO IF YOU DID HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT, I WOULD NEED YOU TO VERBALLY LET ME KNOW. CAUSE I CAN'T SEE. YEAH. UM, THE DAILY THING I HAVE TO SAY IS I KNOW THAT, UH, PEOPLE ARE ENJOYING THIS PARK NOW, SINCE WE'VE BEEN PROVED IT [01:45:01] IN. AND I WAS HOPING THAT WE WOULD START MOVING ON, GETTING SOME PARKING IN THERE. UM, THAT'S KIND OF HOPING IT WOULD BE OFF, OFF THE STREET MORE, BUT, UH, THIS, THIS WILL WORK AND, AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE IT COME TO FRUITION. LET ME GET HIS VERSION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. LET'S MAKER AS GROWING UP NEAR THE PARK. IT IS MUCH NEEDED. THANK YOU. PERSONAL TESTIMONY. AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THIS QUESTION. YES. HEY SCOTT WOULD, UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IF WE CAN'T GET ASPHALT, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO DO THE EXCAVATION AND MAYBE LAY A GROUND BASED WHERE PERHAPS IT COULD BE USED AND UNTIL THEN? SURE. CAN WE CAN, UH, GET A GRAVEL LOT DOWN UNTIL SURFING, LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S COMING. I THINK YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO THE COUNCIL MEETING? SEEING NONE HEARING NONE. OKAY. ONLY SIX ITEMS LEFT THREE L ACCEPTANCE [ Acceptance of Streets/Public Infrastructure - Artisan Walk Subdivision - Section 2] OF STREETS, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE ARTISTS AND WALKS SUBDIVISION SECTION TO MR. BERGMAN. HOW ARE YOU, SIR? GOOD, GOOD, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. UM, THIS FIRST ITEM IS FOR ARTISTS AND WALK SECTION TWO. UH, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AT THE CORNER OF BELT, FOUNTAIN AND CHAMBERSBURG, A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF THAT, THE, UM, THIS LEGISLATION IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE STREETS IS ACCEPTING THE STREETS. UH, ALL THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN COMPLETED. THERE, THERE IS A MAP I THINK, IN YOUR PACKET OF TWO STREETS, UM, THOSE TWO STREETS ARE BOSTELMAN AND BOLLARD. UM, ALL WORK HAS BEEN INSPECTED. THE FINAL COURSE OF ASPHALT IS IT HAS BEEN INSTALLED. UM, BASICALLY THIS LEGISLATION GIVES US THE RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE OVER THE STREETS AND FOR MAINTENANCE AND FOR PLOWING. SO, UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT, UH, IT'S ON FOR MONDAY NIGHT AND BY AS ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I KNOW AT ONE TIME THERE WAS AN HOA THAT WAS GOING TO MANAGE THAT IS THAT HOA DID THAT NEVER COME TO FRUITION IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING THE PLOWING OR LIKE FOR SNOWPLOW ON THAT OR, OR WHEN ALL THAT TRANSITION HAPPENED WITH, WITH THE BUILDER OF THAT CHANGE, BEING PUBLIC STREETS, THE HOA, WHAT DOTS TAKE CARE OF THAT TOO? UM, ON THE LANES WERE ALL GONE. SO SINCE IT'S A PUBLIC STREETS THAT TURNS INTO OUR RESPONSIBILITY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING SOME, UH, MOVING ONTO MONDAY. OKAY. [ Bellefontaine Road Improvement/Culvert Replacement - Solicit Bids] FIVE LEFT ITEM THREE IN BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD IMPROVEMENT, CULVERT REPLACEMENT, SOLICITING BITS. YES. THIS ONE IS FOR THE ADVERTISING AND RECEIVING BIDS FOR THE BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. UH, THIS IS FROM CHAMBERSBURG ROAD GOING SOUTH TO THE OAKS SUBDIVISION. UH, THE MAIN REASON WE WANT TO DO THIS PROJECT, UH, IS TO REPLACE A LARGE CULVERT THAT'S THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DIP OF THE ROAD. THERE'S A 10 FOOT CORRUGATED METAL, CARVER THAT'S VERY OLD. UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THAT WITH A CONCRETE BOX, 10 FOOT BY EIGHT FOOT CONCRETE BOX. AND WE'RE ALSO WITH THAT RAISING THE ROAD, UH, AT LEAST FIVE TO SIX FEET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DIP THERE, UM, THAT WILL HELP ELIMINATE A SCIENTIST, THIS PROBLEM THAT YOU CAN FIT IN THAT AREA, SMALL ONE, BUT IT IS A ISSUE IF YOU'RE COMING FROM CHAMBERSBURG, UM, THE ROAD WILL ALSO BE WIDENED TO THREE LANES AT THAT POINT FROM, FROM THAT AREA CHAMBERSBURG TO THE OAKS, UH, BE TWO LANES IN THE CENTER TURN LANE. UM, THAT'S THE, UH, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN SHOWS, UH, THAT ROAD TO BE EVENTUALLY A THREE LANE ROAD AT SOME POINT. SO, UM, THIS PART PROJECT IS PARTIALLY FUNDED BY OHIO PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION, WHICH IS THE OLD ISSUE TOO. I THINK IT'S ISSUE ONE. NOW WE DID GET FUNDED LAST YEAR FOR GRANT MONEY OF 250,000 PLUS A 250,001, UH, THE COST OF THE PROJECT IS ESTIMATED AT A, NOT TO EXCEED OF $940,000. UM, AFTER THIS IS BID OUT, WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR AN AWARD FOR THE, FOR THE CONTRACTOR WHO, UH, WHOEVER WE SELECT AT THAT TIME. AND, UH, WE'RE THINKING THAT THE CONSTRUCTION WILL PROBABLY BEGIN AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND BE COMPLETED PROBABLY AROUND MAY AT THAT TIME. UH, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. I, IS THERE MUCH LENGTH OF TIME FOR TRAFFIC REROUTING OR THAT PEOPLE GET TO COME OUT OF THE OAKS AND GO DOWN TO THE FITCHBURG? YEAH, YOU'RE GOOD. WE'LL BE CLOSING THE ROAD. SO IT WOULD BE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IF YOU'RE OUT OF THE OAKS, YOU'D GO DOWN [01:50:01] TO FITCHBURG. SO, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. SEEING NONE, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON TO MONDAY. OKAY. MISSING HOW YOU'RE HEARING IT ANY EITHER. SO THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT. [ Dayton Emergency Water Interconnect - Solicit Bids] NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE IN A DANE EMERGENCY WATER INTERCONNECT. SO LISTENING TO BIDS, AND WE'VE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT IN YOUR LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. YEAH. THIS ONE IS ALSO FOR ADVERTISING RECEIVING BIDS FOR THAT THE HUBER HEIGHTS AND CITY OF DAYTON EMERGENCY INTERCONNECT PROJECT. UM, THIS IS LOCATED ON NEEDMORE ROAD AT THE WATER OLD WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH IS ALSO NEXT TO THE TRI-CITIES WASTEWATER PLANT. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA THERE, UH, THE WORK INCLUDES INSTALLING A NEW 16 INCH WATER MAIN FROM NEEDMORE, WHICH WE'RE CONNECTING TO THE CITY DAYTON'S LINE AND THEN WOULD BE RUNNING UP THE DRIVE, GOING INTO THE, A WATER PLANT. UM, THEN THE CONNECTION IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND NEED MORE ROAD. SO THEY'LL BE DOING A BORING UNDERNEATH THE ROAD THERE AND THEN RUNNING AT ABOUT 1600 FEET UP TO THE OLD PLANT. AND AT THAT POINT WE'LL BE INSTALLING A NEW BOOSTER STATION AND, UH, WHICH WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE ONES WE BUILT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THREE. WE BUILT VERY SIMILAR TO THAT ALONG WITH THE NEW BUILDING THAT WILL BE FOR ALL THE VOWELS AND THE METERS THAT ARE GONNA BE THE TWO METERS FOR US GOING EACH WAY. ONE FOR STATIN NEEDS SOME WATER WHERE WE CAN MEET HER AND FOR THEM, AND IT'LL BE FOR US METER FOR THE USAGE OF THEIR WATER. SO IT GOES BOTH WAYS. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF DAYTON IT'S ALREADY BEEN STARTED. WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED THAT YET, BUT THAT SHOULD BE COMING REAL SOON. UM, PROJECT CONCLUDES THE DEMOLITION OF THE OLD PLANT AND THAT'LL BE THE BUILDINGS OUT THERE AND THE WELLS THEMSELVES WILL BE CAPPED OFF AND THEN WE'LL MOVE THE PUMPS THAT ARE OUT THERE. UM, I'D LIKE TO BID THIS PROJECT AS SOON AS WE CAN. WE'RE WAITING ON EPA APPROVAL. WE JUST SUBMITTED IT LAST WEEK. SO WITHIN A FEW WEEKS, HOPEFULLY WE CAN START TO GET THIS OUT TO BID, UM, THE NOT TO EXCEED ON THIS IS THAT 1.8 MILLION. UH, AND THEN WE'LL BE DOING THIS THROUGH O WDA LOANS AND JIM BELL'S WERE COMING ON THOSE, UM, WE WERE FEELING THE COMPLETION SHOULD BE BY, UH, AROUND SUMMER, BEGINNING OF SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR. IT WILL BE IS ABOUT A FOUR OR FIVE MONTH TIMEFRAME TO GET THE BOOSTER STATIONS BUILT. AND THOSE CAN'T BE STARTED UNTIL THE CONTRACTOR IS SELECTED, BUT THEY CAN DO SOME OF THE WATER MAIN WORK BEFOREHAND. UM, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. IT'LL BE ON NEXT WEEK'S MEETING ALSO. AND ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, MR. OTTO, UM, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING KIND OF THE COST BENEFIT TO CLOSING THE SECONDARY PLANT OR DURING THE INTERCONNECT? UM, WE WERE, UH, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, WE WERE AT AN 800,000 NUMBER AND NOT A $1.8 MILLION NUMBER. DOES THIS ONE POINT INCLUDING, UH, WHAT, UH, WAS THERE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL THAT WAS THROWN IN OR THEY WERE, THE VALVE BUILDING WAS NOT PART OF THAT AND IT JUMPED THE PRICE AND THE PRICE OF THE BOOSTER STATIONS WERE HIGHER THAN WE ANTICIPATED. SO, BUT YEAH, AT THE TIME THAT WAS AN INITIAL WAY BEFORE WE EVEN GOT INTO THIS, HOW MUCH IT WAS GOING TO BE. AND WE CAME BACK, I THINK AT 1.2 TO 1.5 MILLION EARLY COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND THEN IT ENDED UP BEING 1.8 BUCKS AND ALSO INCLUDING DEMO AND CAPPING OF THE, OF THE WELLS TOO. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST THE INSTALLATION OF THE BOOSTER STATION, BUT IT ALSO IS REMOVING THE EXISTING PLANT. THIS AMOUNT DOES COVER THAT. AND THAT COVERS ALL OF THAT AS WELL. YES. YEAH. SO THAT, THERE'S, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT CHUNK OF THAT. THAT IS PART OF THAT. AND PART OF THAT WAS BORING UNDERNEATH NEED MORE ROAD. WELL, TH THAT, THAT, THAT IN ITSELF MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN MY MIND IF IT WAS JUST THE ONE POINT IN JUST FOR THIS AND WE STILL HAD TO DO ALL THAT, UH, THE CONVERSATION WOULD, MY THOUGHTS WOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BEFORE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE MIGHT WANT TO SAVE THAT, BUT THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. YEAH. AND IT'S ENTIRETY TO, TO CONVERT AND REMOVE THE NEED MORE ROAD PLANT AND, UH, CONVERT TO THE INTERNET. THIS IS THAT WHOLE DEAL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I WOULD ALSO ADD REGARDING THE EPA, SINCE THAT WAS MENTIONED, WE HAVE FIRED OFF A LETTER. UM, MR. MCDONALD CONTINUES TO WORK ON THAT, SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP THEM UPDATED WITH OUR PLANS AND OUR PEAS AND ALL THAT. SO WE SHOULDN'T BE OKAY. MR. CAMPBELL? YES. FOR US, THE LINE ITEM DESCRIBES A WATER INTERCONNECT FOR EMERGENCIES. RIGHT. AND ROB, YOU HAD MENTIONED, UH, HOW MANY TIMES IN THE PAST WE HAD TO USE THAT OLD PLANT, LIKE ONE TIME IN 10 YEARS? YES. OKAY. IS THAT WHAT WE WOULD HOPE TO SEE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS? [01:55:01] WE WOULD HOPE SO. UH, I'M MEAN EVERYBODY'S GETTING OLDER. THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM, BUT WE HAVE UPGRADED OUR NEW PLANT AND WE NOW HAVE A LARGER GENERATOR. SO WE'RE OPEN THAT TAKES CARE OF ANY, YOU KNOW, LONGTERM ELECTRICAL PROBLEM, BUT IT MIGHT EVEN BE LESS THAN THAT. YOU WOULD HOPE YES. REASONABLY, WE WOULD THINK RISK WOULDN'T BE GREAT. YEAH. YEAH. BUT A LARGE PART OF THE OLD PLANT, THE PLANT ITSELF, LARGE PART OF IT'S STILL NOW 15 YEARS OLD AND GETTING OLDER AND IT COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, PUMPS BREAK DOWN OR WELLS GO DOWN THAT WE COULD STILL HAVE AN ISSUE. AND MY FOCUS IS GOING TO BE ON THE INTERCONNECT AND THAT IT'S FOR EMERGENCIES. RIGHT. OKAY. SO IF WE USE THAT ONE TIME IN 10 YEARS, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OF WATER WE MIGHT'VE USED THAT DAY? A TYPICAL DAY FOR US, WE USE ABOUT 4 MILLION TO FOUR AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS A DAY. AND THAT, AND THAT WILL SUPPLY FROM THEM. WE CAN GET THAT AMOUNT FROM THEM. OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THOUGH, GOING BACK TO THEM, IT'LL BE A LESSER AMOUNT BECAUSE WE CAN'T PRODUCE THAT MUCH TO SUPPLY US AND THEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY ARE ASKING FOR, BUT IT'S, IT'LL GIVE THEM SOME, WHAT'S A TYPICAL STANDPIPE HOME IN THE WAY OF GALLONS, A MILLION TO MILLION AND A HALF. OKAY. HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO INTEGRATE MAYBE A DIFFERENT CONCEPT FOR THE EMERGENCY ASPECT OF THIS? WELL, WE'RE NOT SURE THAT THERE'S, YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE TWO OPTIONS. YOU HAVE UTILIZING YOUR EXISTING STORAGE, WHICH WE HAVE STORAGE THAT WOULD COVER US FOR A DAY OF COMPLETE DEMAND. UH, AND THEN THE SECOND WOULD BE, HAVE A SECONDARY WATER PLANT OR, UH, HAVE A SECONDARY WATER SOURCE THAT WOULD EXTEND BEYOND THAT. SO THAT REALLY IS THE ONLY THING THAT WE COULD, AND, AND I'M JUST SPITBALLING HERE, BUT, BUT I WANTED TO ASK THIS QUESTION A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES, BUT MY THOUGHTS JUST WEREN'T TOGETHER, BUT WOULD THERE BE A WAY OF SPENDING ABOUT THE SAME MONEY OR LESS AND INTEGRATE SOME STANDPIPES AND MAYBE ENHANCE THE SYSTEM WE HAVE ON A DAILY BASIS INSTEAD OF AN EMERGENCY INTERCONNECT, THAT'S GOING TO BE USED ONCE EVERY DECADE IS WELL, BUT THIS GIVES US MORE OF A LONGTERM THING. IF THAT WHATEVER THE OUTAGE IS CAUSED BY IF WE NEEDED IT FOR THREE DAYS, IF WE HAVE LIKE, KNOW TORNADO, COME THROUGH AGAIN, IF WE NEED WATER FOR THREE OR FOUR DAYS, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONNECTION TO THEM. OKAY. AND ALSO IT IS SOFT WATER COMING FROM THEM ALSO, IF WE HAD OUR OWN PLACE AND IT WOULD BE SOFT WATER IN OUR STANDPIPES. YES. SO, SO THAT WOULDN'T BE AN ARGUMENT AGAINST DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. OKAY. RIGHT. SO WE TALKED ABOUT SAFEGUARDS THAT OUR SYSTEM HAS INTEGRATED INTO IT, WHICH ARE STANDPIPES. CORRECT. AND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT MOST COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE A SECOND PLANT. CORRECT. AND THAT WAS OUR POSITION. I TOTALLY AGREED. WHY DO WE HAVE THIS OLD PLANT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BANDAID TOGETHER? HOW MANY SYSTEMS HAVE AN EMERGENCY INTERCONNECT? IT IS THAT, IS THAT CUSTOM CUSTOMARY TO HAVE IN A MUNICIPALITY, AN INTERCONNECT WITH A NEIGHBOR, I WOULD SAY NO, BECAUSE TYPICALLY MOST CITIES, UNLESS THEY'RE CONNECTED, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A CITY FURTHER AWAY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO INTERCONNECT WITH THEM. SO ANY OTHER RURAL AREAS WOULD NOT, IF THEY HAVE A TOWN THERE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, THE ONLY REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP IS, IS SO STAFF WOULD HAVE MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK ABOUT BEFORE WE PULLED THE TRIGGER ON THIS. WHEN GLEN TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING GOING FROM 800,000 TO 1,000,008, THAT ALSO CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. AND THAT'S QUITE FRANKLY WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP. IS THERE ANOTHER OPTION B BECAUSE WITH AN EMERGENCY INTERCONNECT BASED ON HISTORY, WE'RE GOING TO USE IT ONCE EVERY DECADE VERSUS HOWEVER MANY TIMES DAYTON IS GOING TO USE IT. AND I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT MY FOCUS RIGHT. IN TRYING TO HELP THEM OUT NECESSARILY, BUT WOULD, WOULDN'T BE SELLING THEM THE WATER. YEAH. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION I'M NOT COMING TO NIGHT ADVOCATING, THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION I'M JUST ASKING. SURE. W W WOULD IT BE OF ANY THOUGHT TO THINK ABOUT, WELL, YOU HAD MENTIONED POSSIBLY ANOTHER, I GUESS YOU MEANT ANOTHER STANDPIPE OR ANOTHER WATER TOWER. YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO AND A HALF MILLION TO BUILD A WATER TOWER. SO, AND THAT'S THE ONLY GIVES YOU ANOTHER MILLION, MILLION AND A HALF. SO THAT WOULD GIVE YOU ANOTHER, MAYBE HALF DAY. AND THIS WOULD BE A ONETIME THING FOREVER, EVEN IF YOU DON'T USE IT. BUT I STILL THINK IN THE YEARS, 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW, AS THEY'RE PLAYING, KEEPS GETTING OLDER, IT'S GOING TO USE MORE OFTEN. OKAY. YOU THINK THE INTERCONNECT WILL, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, COULD BE CONSIDERED, UM, AS AN IDEA, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS FUTURE EXPANSION IS AN ADDITIONAL, [02:00:01] UH, ADDITIONAL WELLS, UH, AT OUR, AT OUR WATER PLANT. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TOOK THIS ON, EARLY ON, IT SEEMED VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE, WE GOT USED TO HAVING A SECOND SOURCE OF WATER SUPPLY. AND, UM, AS WE'VE TALKED THAT IT'S IT'S AROUND, BUT IT'S NOT EVERYBODY HAS THE ADVANTAGE OF A SECOND SOURCE OF WATER SUPPLY. SO THIS CERTAINLY IS THE ABILITY FOR US TO GUARANTEE THAT WE HAVE A SOURCE OF WATER SUPPLY, UM, IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. AND IT IS, I MEAN, IF YOU WERE GOING TO SAVE FOR, AND LIKE A USER FOR 10 YEARS, IS IT WORTH A $1.8 MILLION IN, IN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TOTAL AND AGAIN, THAT'S DEMO AND EVERYTHING OF THE EXISTING ONE, BUT LET'S SAY MILLION DOLLARS, UM, THEN, UH, A BASIC EVALUATION OF THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, PROBABLY NOT. IT'S, IT'S AN INSURANCE POLICY. UM, BUT WE COULD EXAMINE THE FEASIBILITY OF TAKING THAT COST AND APPLYING IT TO ADDITIONAL WELLS FOR, UM, CONTINGENCY PURPOSES. NOW THAT WOULD BE, IF A WELL GOES DOWN, WE'RE STILL GENERATING WATER. AND THAT'S CONSIDERING THAT THE PLANT ITSELF DOESN'T GO DOWN. AND I GUESS IN OUR MEASUREMENTS, THE LIKELIHOOD OF A FAILURE OF TWO OF OUR WELLS WOULD PUT US INTO A, UM, NOT AN EMERGENCY, BUT IT WILL PUT US IN A, IN A CONSERVATION MODE, POTENTIALLY IF WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER, WE LOSE TWO OF OUR EXISTING WELLS. WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSERVATIVE CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO START DRAWING DOWN THE TOWERS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, AND LOOKING AT BUILDING MORE USABLE CONTINGENCIES INTO OUR EXISTING PLANT. AND I THINK USABLES MY POINT. YES. SINCE YOU USED THAT WORD. SO, SO IN THAT DAY, WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS, WE USED ABOUT 4 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER. THAT ONE DAY WAS DOWN. YES. YES. OKAY. AND IN A STANDPIPE TYPICALLY HOLDS HOW MUCH ABOUT A MILLION. OKAY. AND HOW MANY GALLONS DOES OUR OTHER ADDITIONAL STANDPIPES HOLD? WELL, THERE ARE DIFFERENT ONES, UH, TOO, WE HAVE ENOUGH, WE ALL THEM TOGETHER HOLD ABOUT 40. OKAY. SO WE HAVE THAT BACKUP BUILT INTO THE STANDPIPES. YES. THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD THAT TIME. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE DID WELL, WE BUILT ANOTHER STANDPIPE ARM DOING WATER TOWER DOWN BY ROUTE 40 LATELY. SO I JUST THINK IT'S A LOT OF MONEY NOT TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS. I JUST DON'T THINK THERE REALLY IS MUCH OTHER OPTIONS BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING MONEY ELSEWHERE. LIKE I SAID, FOR A NEW TOWER, IF THAT'S, THAT'S JUST GOING TO HOLD WATER FOR THE DAY MIGHT GET YOU A LITTLE LONGER PERIODS OF TIME. BUT ONCE AGAIN, THE TOWER IS GOING TO COST YOU AS WELL. SO THAT'S, IF THE DESIRE IS, UH, AND THE POLICY SET BY COUNCIL IS THAT WE WANT A COMPLETE SECONDARY WATER SOURCE. IF WE WOULD RATHER TAKE THAT MONEY AND LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL SUPPLY AND USABLE OPTIONS FOR MAYBE MORE WATER PRODUCTION FOR ADDITIONAL WELLS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN RELATIVELY QUICKLY EVALUATE WHAT THAT WOULD BE AND, UM, AND, AND CONTINUE THAT. AND, BUT EVEN THAT THE, WHAT HAPPENED FOR THAT ONE DAY IS THAT THE MAIN LINE COMING OUT OF THE PLANT COMING UP, TAYLORSVILLE HAD A WATER MAIN BREAK. WE HAD TO SHUT THE WHOLE PLANT DOWN BECAUSE THAT WAS THE MAIN SOURCE OF WATER. IF YOU, EVEN, IF YOU HAD A WELL DOWN THERE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE THAT WATER MAIN WILL JUST SHUT US DOWN. SO THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO GET THAT MUCH WATER FOR A ONE DAY PERIOD OF TIME. OKAY. BESIDES GETTING IT FROM SOMEBODY ELSE. YEAH. AND IF, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO STILL HAVE AS OUR INSURANCE POLICY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO, BUT IF WE FEEL CONFIDENT OF APPLYING THE SAME RISKS THAT, YOU KNOW, OTHER COMMUNITIES MIGHT SERVE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN DAYTON LOST POWER TO THEIR PLANT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, A FEW DAYS, SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOMETHING SUBMIT, BUT IF WE HAVE A BREAK, WE CAN HAVE THE BREAK REPAIRED, UH, GENERALLY WITHIN THE TIME AND BE BACK ONLINE WHILE OUR, WHILE OUR, WHILE OUR WATER TOWERS WOULD SUFFICE. SO BARRING THE UNUSUAL OCCURRENCE THAT LIKELY WILL HAVE EFFECT ON OTHER THINGS. UM, WE SHOULD HAVE A SYSTEM CONTAIN ANY MAJOR MALFUNCTION TO HAVE IT REPAIRED WITHIN A DAY. IF WE LOSE A WELL, WE'VE GOT A BACKUP, YOU KNOW, AND IF WE HAVE A MAIN BREAK, WE'RE FEEDING FROM TOWERS, CLOSING SOME, UM, SOME VALVES AND SENTRA. SO, UM, UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT TRULY IS IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO KIND OF HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND BRING THAT BACK, UH, CAUSE, [02:05:01] CAUSE I AGREE IT IS A, IT'S A DIS NO INVESTMENT, THE, UH, UH, THE PUMP HOUSE, THE VALVES, WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATED BY THE, UH, BY THE CONSULTANT, UH, WE DID HAVE THE 800,000 TO A MILLION ISH, UM, ADD IN THE BUILDING, THE LENGTH, THE BORING, AND ALL THAT STUFF. NOW THAT WE'VE GOT SOME MORE FINITE PRICES PLUS THE COST OF DEMO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S ADDED, UM, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AND I'M ONLY ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T TURNED EVERY ROCK OVER, DO, IF YOU HAVE, I APPLAUD, I REALLY, I REALLY FEEL THAT THE ONLY THING YOU COULD DO IS NOT DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE JUST, DON'T TAKE YOUR CHANCES THOUGH. I MEAN, AND I DON'T THINK, YEAH, 10 YEARS WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN BY WITH NOTHING, BUT I STILL THINK 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN EVERYTHING GETS OLD, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PROBLEMS. THE RISK IS GOING TO GO. YEAH. AND YOU'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GOING TO REALLY BENEFIT FROM THIS, MY SUGGESTION ISN'T TO PUT US AT MORE RISK. IT WAS TO FIND ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WHERE MAYBE WE CAN BENEFIT FROM THIS EXPENDITURE ON A MORE DAY TO DAY BASIS. RIGHT? YEAH. I THINK WE LOOK AT, WE LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF, UH, UH, THE COST OF ADDITIONAL WELLS AND, OR THE COST OF APPLYING THAT IN A SCHEDULED, UM, UH, ESCROW OR EQUITY TYPE OF MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR REFURB OF MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE WATER PLANTS, UM, AND HOW THAT SCHEDULES OUT. CAUSE IF WE ARE, WHETHER IT NEEDS, WHETHER IT'S DOWN OR NOT REPLACING MAJOR MECHANICAL THINGS WITHIN THE PLAN AND KEEPING THEM WITHIN THAT 10 TO 15 YEAR THRESHOLD OF, YOU KNOW, REFURBISHMENT, THEN OUR LEVEL OF RISK OF FAILURE HAS REDUCED GREATLY RATHER THAN KEEPING THINGS GOING AND REPAIR IT WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND COUNT ON EMERGENCY DISPLAY, UH, YOU KNOW, SUPPLY AFTERWARDS. SO, UM, YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS BASED. THE WHOLE THING WAS BASED ON THE DESIGN THAT COUNCIL, LIKE HAVING A SECOND SOURCE, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE WAS TO EITHER THE COST TO REBUILD THE CURRENT PLANT, BRING IT UP TO SPECS OR WHAT OUR ALTERNATIVE WAS. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I TEND TO AGREE THAT I WANTED A 10 YEAR THING OR THAT'S A, THAT'S A CALCULATED RISK. NOBODY LIKES TO HEAR THAT, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS CERTAINLY WORTH MORE DISCUSSION. LIKE I TH I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A, AND I HEAR EVERYTHING THAT YOU WERE SAYING OR THE ENGINEER OR THE EXPERT, BUT I THINK WHAT COUNTS DID THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE MISSING HERE IS WHAT RISK TOLERANCE COUNSEL HAS, UH, AS A WHOLE ON, YOU KNOW, A COMPLETE CATASTROPHIC FAILURE TO WHERE WE ARE JUST STUCK WITH THE WATER. CAUSE I'M HEARING IS THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROBABLY WITH JUST ABOUT EVERY SCENARIO, SHORT OF THE CACHACA FAILURE, WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO REPAIR AND HAVE WATER FLOWING WITHIN A 24 TO 48 HOUR TIME PERIOD, MAYBE BARRING A UNUSUAL OCCURRENCE. RIGHT. SO, SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE, THE, THE CONVERSATION IS WHAT LEVEL OF RISK. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT DISCUSSION NEEDS TO HAPPEN A LITTLE MORE, UH, OPENLY AMONGST COUNSEL, WHAT RISKS THERE IS. AND THEN MR. CAMPBELL'S POINT, I THINK WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW CLEARLY HOW MUCH MONEY IS THE INTERCONNECT PIECE, HOW MUCH MONEY IS THE DEMO PIECE, BECAUSE EVEN IF WE DID UPGRADE AND ADD WELLS, THE EXISTING PLANT, WE STILL HAVE TO TEAR ONE DOWN. RIGHT? SO NOT ALL OF THAT $1.8 MILLION IS GOING BACK TO REINVEST INTO NEW WELLS BECAUSE SOME OF THAT MONEY IS THE, TO GET SPENT. SO I THINK, I THINK SHORT OF JUST SAYING, YES, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. I THINK THERE'S STILL ENOUGH UNKNOWNS THAT IT WOULD WARRANT FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM, FROM, FROM COUNSEL MR. AUDIT. YEAH, I WAS, I WANTED TO ASK, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN BACKUPS OR FAIL SAFES WITHIN THE PRIMARY PLANT, SUCH AS THE GENERATOR FOR ELECTRICITY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM, I MEAN, COULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO IMAGINE, OR RE-IMAGINE THAT PLANT WHERE IT HAS ITS OWN KIND OF BACKUP SET UP FOR AS A FAIL SAFE? BECAUSE I MEAN, I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU. THIS IS NO, WELL, MAYBE IT IS, BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT A DIRECT DIG ON DAYTON, BUT I TRUST OUR WATER PLAN A LOT MORE THAN THEIRS. THEIRS WAS GOING DOWN MORE THAN OURS. AND I HAVE A FUNNY FEELING THAT IF WE FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE OURS IS DOWN, BECAUSE OF SOME CATASTROPHIC LOCAL EVENT, THERE'S, WE'LL PROBABLY BE DOWN AS WELL. AND I'D RATHER DEPEND ON UPON OURSELVES THAN ANOTHER COMMUNITY. SO, I MEAN, THAT MAY BE A THOUGHT TO LOOK INTO THE EXPANSION OF A COUPLE OF WELLS AND SOME BACKUP SCENARIOS WITHIN THE MAIN [02:10:01] PLANT ITSELF. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE PIGGYBACK IN A MAIN, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE EXPENSE OF AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PUMP HOUSE OR WHATEVER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. IT WOULD BE JUST EXPANSION AND CAPACITY OF THE PLANT WOULD, WOULD SIMPLY BE AT, BUT IF COMPONENTS FAIL, THEY FAIL AND YOU WOULD EITHER HAVE DUPLICATE COMPONENTS IN A SECOND WATER PLAN, OR YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR MAIN ONE THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT WATER PRODUCTION AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WATER TREATMENT AND THEN NOW WE'VE GOT SOFTENING. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO ALSO CONSIDER IT. AND WE DID, WE BUILT IN ADDITIONAL CAPACITY IN THE, IN THE SOFTENING FOR, FOR FUTURE, BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT IN 10 YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LIKELY MORE DEMAND AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED ADDITIONAL WELL, UH, BY THE END. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY LOOKING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. UM, BUT IF AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT NOW, UM, MANAGING AND IN CALCULATING THAT RISK AND BEING WILLING TO TAKE IT, UM, MIGHT BE WORTH MAKING INVESTMENTS INTO BUILDING CAPACITY INTO THE SYSTEM NOW BETTER. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT REALLY IS A POLICY DECISION AS TO WHAT YOU KNOW, REALLY THAT RISK THRESHOLD. AND I THINK THAT, AND THAT IS THE DISCUSSION AND YOU, WHETHER OR NOT THAT DISCUSSION FINISHES TONIGHT OR NOT, I THINK THAT DISCUSSION NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE. WHAT WE CAN DO, IS IT, YOU KNOW, W WE ARE, WE ARE GETTING INTO A TIMELINE HERE FOR, FOR SURE. UM, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WORKED WITH DAYTON AND HAD KIND OF A MUTUAL PLAN. SO IF WE DO WANT TO CHANGE DIRECTIONS, WE WANT TO WORK RELATIVELY QUICK. UM, BUT LET US GO BACK. AND THEN FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UM, YOU KNOW, BUMP US BACK A COUPLE OF WEEKS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CHECK WITH OUR CONSULTANT AND DO SOME OTHER THINGS AND TRY TO HAVE, UM, UH, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD MAKESHIFT, BUT A, UH, AT LEAST A, UM, A NOTIONAL RISK ASSESSMENT OF WHAT THOSE POSSIBILITIES COULD BE AND WHAT, WHAT COULD WE DO TO THE PLANET NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HAVE LIKE A LOSS OF A WELL, AND JUST KIND OF LIST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE LIKELY TO HAPPEN THAT COULD HAPPEN, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS VERSUS AN UNUSUAL OCCURRENCE OR CATASTROPHE. UM, AND IT HAS SOMETHING TO MEASURE AND WEIGH AGAINST. SO WE GOT EVEN OVER, OVER THOSE LONGER 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW, IF WE CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEM IMMEDIATELY WITH UPGRADING OUR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE 30 YEARS FROM NOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT TYPE OF SITUATION MIGHT BE, UH, IF, IF IT, IF WE FOUND TWO OR THREE OR FOUR TIMES IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, WELL, THEN THERE'S ALWAYS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT INTERCONNECT AGAIN, AT SOME POINT DOWN IN THE FUTURE, IF WE FEEL LIKE, WOW, WE'RE, IF WE EVER GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE THINK, MAN, WE SHOULD'VE DONE THAT IN 2020, WE CAN DO THAT IN 2030 IF WE EVER GET TO THAT POSITION. BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE KINDS OF DOLLARS, IF THERE IS A SOLUTION UPGRADING OUR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE WORKING HELP SOMEBODY ELSE. MRS. AND THEN WE'LL GO TO MR. SEAN FOR COMMENTS. YES. UH, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. WELL, I'VE A COMMENT AND A QUESTION. UM, WOULD WE CONSIDER PUTTING OUT A BID TO, UH, CAP THE EXISTING WELL AND TAMALE THE OLD PLANT SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT THAT COST IS AND ACCORDING TO THE EPA WE REALLY NEED TO DO. AND THEN THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO DECIDE WHAT OUR ALTERNATE PLAN WOULD BE FOR A BACKUP. AND THEN MY SECOND COMMENT IS IF WE DO THIS DATE AND EMERGENCY INNER WATER INTERCONNECT, IF DAYTON GOT INTO AN EMERGENCY, COULD THEY PULL WATER FROM US? YES. THE RFP ACTUALLY INCLUDED THE DISCUSSION OF BIDDING THE DEMO OF THE PLANT. SO WE CERTAINLY WILL BE DOING AN RFP FOR THAT. UH, AND SECOND, YES. UM, AS DISCUSSED, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY FINALIZING AND WORKING ON, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE A TWO WAY METERING SYSTEM WITHIN THE PUMP HOUSE, UM, THAT IF THEY NEEDED TO SERVE A PORTION OF THEIR COMMUNITY CLOSE TO CUBA, THEN IT WOULD BE A TWO WAY AGREEMENT. THAT WAS A PART OF THE AGREEMENT. AND NOW ONE OF THE REASONS THE COST WENT UP A LITTLE WAS THAT EXTRA METERING, EXTRA VALVING, LARGER PUMP BUILDING, OR A VALVE BUILDING TO DO THAT, THE BACKUP WOULD BE COVERING THE COST OF THEIR SIDE OF THE METERING INSURANCE, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO, AND I THINK I, AND I, I MEAN, I RECOGNIZE HER SAYING, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT COST TO OWN THIS, AND IT'S NOT THAT I'M AGAINST THE COST. IT'S LOOKING AT THE COST, LOOKING AT THE RISK, WHAT COULD WE DO TO OUR OWN SYSTEM TO HELP? I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, TO PREVENT A SITUATION [02:15:01] WHERE WE HAD, I WOULD RATHER HAVE, I'D RATHER IT BE DEPENDENT ON HERSELF. THIS IS RHONDA SAID THAT THAN SOMEBODY ELSE. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST $2 MILLION, IT'S NOT THE OVERALL, IT'S NOT THE MONEY THAT GIVES ME THE HEARTBURN. IT IS, WHAT ELSE, WHAT ELSE COULD WE BE DONE? COULD WE DO, AND HAVE WE, MR. KIM SAID, WE EXHAUSTED AND OVERTURNED ALL THOSE ROCKS TO SEE WHAT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE, BUT WHAT, LIKE I SAID, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE'LL, WE'LL KICK A COUPLE MORE ROCKS AND HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA WITHOUT A COMPLETE SECONDARY CONTINGENCY. UH, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO EVALUATE FOR THE POLICY THAT THEY CHOOSE TO SET, AND THEN WE'LL BRING THAT BACK. SO IF ANY IDEAS OR QUESTIONS COME UP IN THE MEANTIME, SEND THEM OUR WAY WE'LL, WE'LL GET THEM ANSWERED. THANKS ROB. ALRIGHT, MR. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? THANK YOU. UM, BACK TO, UH, MR. CAMPBELL'S POINT, I'M WANTING TO SAY IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT. UM, I THINK MYSELF, UH, FORMER COUNCILMAN MORGAN AND MR. CAMPBELL HAD A CONVERSATION BACK IN MAY AND JUNE OF THAT SAME, YOU KNOW, INVESTMENT INTO OUR OWN. AND I THINK MR. CAMPBELL'S COMMENTS WERE JUST, AS HE STATED HERE, I'M STILL TRYING TO PIECE THIS ALL TOGETHER AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION. WELL, HERE WE ARE TONIGHT. WE GOT THE INFORMATION AND I DO, AND I'VE STAYED. I BELIEVE I'VE STATED MY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN PRETTY ON PAR THAT GOING TO GET WATER FROM THE CITY OF DAYTON WHERE THEIR OWN OTTAWA AND MIAMI PLANTS NEED SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS AND, AND UPKEEP, UM, THEIR OWN QUALITY OF WATER. YES, IT MAY BE SOFTENED IS ODD A HUNDRED TIMES IN MY OPINION, LESS THAN WHAT OUR WATER IS. SO EVEN IF WE WAS TO, AND AGAIN, NOT HAVING AN ENGINEERING DEGREE, WHAT THE FACTS THAT I KNOW IF WE WAS TO PUT THEIR WATER THROUGH OUR LINES, EVEN FOR A DAY, WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN. UM, AND, AND WHO KNOWS IF THEIR PLANS COULD EVEN SUSTAIN THAT? UM, BECAUSE I TRULY DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEIR OWN WATER COMPANY AND ENGINEERS HAVE PUT THAT KIND OF CAPACITY TO TEST. SO, I MEAN, WE, AS A CITY ARE PUTTING ALL OF OUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET ON A UNUSUAL SCENARIO. AND I STATED BACK IN APRIL AND MAY OF LAST YEAR, OUR COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY THAT, YOU KNOW, I THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A ROAD I'M LOOKING TO GO DOWN, BUT AT THE SAME POINT IN TIME, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE COMMUNITY AT RISK, I BELIEVE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IN THIS COUNCIL, JUST WITHIN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS AS APPROVED AND PUT INTO PLAY ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND WELLS AT OUR OWN PLANT, IF MEMORY SERVES ME, CORRECT, THERE IS LAND AVAILABLE FOR EXPANSION. IF MEMORY SERVES CORRECT, WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT MOVES THAT FORWARD. LET'S GET A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE TO THAT. I MEAN, THIS COMMUNITY HAS ALREADY SHOWN, AND IT WENT TO THE BALLOT BOX AND STATED THAT WE ARE FOR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT. I BELIEVE IT WAS 70 30 FOR, YOU KNOW, THE WATER SOFTENING. SO I BELIEVE AS, AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS COMMUNITY, WE ARE SITTING HERE SHOWING THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS AND GETTING THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK, WITH OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. AND WE, IF WE HAVE TO GO TO OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE AND ASK FOR A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THROUGH THE STATE BUDGET, THEN I SAY WE DO IT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP IN THIS SITUATION AS A CITY OF DAYTON, WHERE EVENTUALLY, AND I BELIEVE AS THE MAYOR WAS ALLUDING TO, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, WE MAY HAVE A STRONG ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE AND WEALTH SYSTEM AND A PLAN WHERE WE CAN, AND I BELIEVE THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE HAPPENED PREVIOUSLY, LOOK TO OTHER COMMUNITIES SUCH AS NEW CARLISLE TROTWOOD VANDELIA TO SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD WATER. WE'VE GOT THE CAPACITY. WHY DON'T YOU COME OVER TO US? BECAUSE MONTGOMERY COUNTY IN THE CITY OF DAYTON IS ROBBING YOU BLIND. SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT REVENUE COSTS DOWN THE ROAD TO AMORTIZE THAT OUT. I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD POTENTIAL HERE IF WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. I THINK WE HAD THE, WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION BACK IN MAY AND JUNE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE REASON THAT I THINK THE REASON THAT WE ENDED UP TALKING ABOUT THE INTERCONNECT WAS BECAUSE THE COST OF FIXING THAT OLD PLAN, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME, CORRECT, WAS LIKE FOUR OR $5 MILLION OR SOMETHING TO THAT FINE. LIKE I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT A $4 MILLION FIGURE. SO WE'RE FACED WITH, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, THE THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR UPGRADE WE WERE DOING TO THE WATER PLANT AND THE SOFTENING, ALL THAT AT THAT POINT IN ADDING ANOTHER $4 MILLION TO FIX THE WHOLE PLANT, THAT'S 60 YEARS OLD, THEN THE INTERCONNECT SEEMED LIKE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, HEY THAT, OKAY. THAT, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD BARGAIN. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. NOW THAT WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER 2 MILLION. AND AGAIN, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT'S SEPARATED OUT. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS AND COMMENTS I'VE HEARD TONIGHT THAT SAYS, YEAH, WE SHOULD, [02:20:01] WE SHOULD JUST LOOK INTO IT. AND I THINK ROB, YOU'VE ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT YOU'LL, WE WILL, WE'LL BRING IT BACK IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS WITH SOME MORE INFO. I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY, UM, THERE ARE, EVEN IF YOU BUILD AN EXTRA, WELL, YOU'VE PUT IN MORE FILTERS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THERE ARE STILL OTHER THINGS WHICH I'M GOING TO TALK TO THE PLANT OPERATOR, OTHER THINGS THAT CAN GO WRONG. EVEN IF YOU PUT EXTRA STUFF DOWN THERE AS A BACKUP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND WE'LL GET ALL THAT BREAKS DOWN, THINGS COULD STILL GO WRONG AND THEY CAN BE SHUT DOWN. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. YOU KNOW, LIKE THE WATER MAIN BREAK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLANT. SO YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE UPGRADES AT THE PLANT THAT WOULD HAVE MADE ANY DIFFERENCE. SO THE INTERCONNECT IS IF WE HAD COMPLETE WATER, COMPLETE WATER SHUT OFF AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS, THAT IS CORRECT. I THINK IN 99.9% OF THE CASES WE CAN BE BACK UP AND RUNNING IN A PRETTY, IN PRETTY SHORT ORDER. YES, YES. THAT IS TRUE. I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET A LIST OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN PERFECT. FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AND MY PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S ALL WE CAN ASK FOR. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE PAY YOU TO FIGURE ALL THAT OUT. WE TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS SERIOUSLY, BUT I THINK THERE THERE'S ENOUGH OF A, OF AN ARGUMENT DISCUSSION HERE THAT SAYS, YEAH, LET'S JUST, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'VE DONE EVERY BIT OF INVESTIGATION DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE CAN DO TO FIGURE THIS OUT. SO, UH, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION, BUT BY EVERYONE, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK GREAT POINTS ARE MADE. I THINK THIS WILL, UH, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME, I'LL FEEL BETTER THAT WE'RE MAKING, WHEN IT COMES TO DECISION TIME, I'LL FEEL BETTER. WE'RE ABSOLUTELY MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION. CAUSE WE'VE GOT MORE INFORMATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY. THANK YOU AGAIN, EVERYONE APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION, RIGHT. OKAY. THANKS. OKAY. SO NEXT UP IS [ Discussion - Intersection - Carriage Trails Boulevard/State Route 201/MVRPC Funding Application - Chambersburg Road West] ITEM THREE, WHICH HAS THE DISCUSSION, UH, ABOUT THE INTERSECTION FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS BOULEVARD, STATE ROUTE TWO OH ONE. AND THEN ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS IS THE MVR PC FUNDING APPLICATION FOR, UH, CHAMBERSBURG ROAD WEST, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE, UH, TWO, ONE SECTION DOWN TO RIP RAP, CORRECT? THAT'S AS TO TWO FROM TWO TO TWO. YES. SO, UH, I THINK TH I DON'T, THIS COULD END UP BEING A LONG DISCUSSION. IT COULD BE SHORT DISCUSSION BASED ON, UM, ON HOW THIS GOES FIRST. I THINK WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED THAT WAS ASKED TO BE READ THIS EVENING. SO, UH, BEFORE I ENDED UP KIND OF MY COMMENTS, UH, MR. ROGERS, HE WOULD READ WHAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THE CV. AND THEN WE WILL, UH, MOVE IN, MOVE INTO THIS DISCUSSION. UH, THE COMMENT WAS DATED OCTOBER 5TH, 2020 COMMENTS ABOUT THE STATE ROUTE TWO OH ONE CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY INTERSECTION FROM LORI SEBASTIAN. UH, SHE NOTES THAT SHE'S BEEN A BETHEL SCHOOL DISTRICT RESIDENT FOR 18 YEARS OF BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER FOR FIVE YEARS AND MIAMI COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER FOR SIX YEARS. UM, STATES I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROUTE TWO OH ONE AND CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY. WHEN IT WAS FIRST DESIGNED, THE AREA WAS TO BE A GOLF COURSE AND MINIMAL HOUSING. NOW THE CARRIAGE TRAILS DEVELOPMENT IS EXPECTED TO INCLUDE MORE THAN 2000 RESIDENCES WHEN COMPLETED WITH CHILDREN. AND MANY OF THESE HOUSEHOLDS HANDLING TRAFFIC FLOOD NORTH TO BETHEL SCHOOLS IS IMPERATIVE SCHOOL BOARDS AND ADMINISTRATORS SPEND SIGNIFICANT TIME DISCUSSING STUDENT SAFETY. OUR DISTRICTS, RECENT SAFETY FOCUS IS REGARDED COVID-19, BUT IN ALL HONESTY, THE ODDS OF A STUDENT DYING IN A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT ARE FAR GREATER THAN THE STUDENT DYING FROM COVID-19. MULTIPLE BUSES TURNED LEFT FROM CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY AND NEAR SUCCESSION EACH MORNING. AND THE DISTRICT ANTICIPATES ADDING WAR BUSES TO HANDLE THE INCREASE IN STUDENTS FROM THE CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ALSO HAS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PARENTS AND STUDENT DRIVERS WHO TURN LEFT FROM CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY TO STATE ROUTE TWO OH ONE AND ROUTE TO SCHOOL EACH MORNING, ACROSS SOUTHBOUND RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC. IT IS NOT REASONABLE FOR THIS NORTHBOUND SURGE OF BUS DRIVERS AND FAMILIES TO TURN LEFT ON A MAJOR STATE ROUTE WITHOUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT. I WANT YOU TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SAFER LEFT TURN OPTION FROM CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY. IN ADDITION TO THE PLAN NORTHBOUND TURN LANE FROM STATE ROUTE TWO OH ONE, A SOLUTION SHOULD CONSIDER NOT ONLY THE CURRENT TRAFFIC FLOW, BUT ALSO THE PLAN AND PROBABLE FUTURE GROWTH REDOING THE INTERSECTION. NOW IN A WAY THAT DOES DOESN'T PROVIDE SAFE OPTIONS FOR ALL ROUTES WILL ONLY BE MORE CUMBERSOME TO FIX IN THE LONGTERM. GIVEN THAT AN INTERSECTION UPGRADE WILL TAKE SUBSTANTIAL TIME. I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST TO IMMEDIATE STOP GAP ACTIONS TO REDUCE [02:25:01] THE POTENTIAL FOR ACCIDENTS. ONE EXTEND THE 35 MILE PER HOUR ZONE ON STATE ROUTE TWO OH ONE NORTHBOUND PAST CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY TO MAKE STATE ROUTE TWO OH ONE APPROACHING THE CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY INTERSECTION, A NO PASSING ZONE AND BOTH DIRECTIONS. THIS IS THE CASE AT SINGER MAN ROAD, JUST TO THE NORTH, WHICH SEES SUBSTANTIALLY LESS TRAFFIC. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND TIME IN THIS MATTER, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I ARE BETHEL SCHOOLS CAN ASSIST IN EFFORTS TO INCREASE SAFETY AT THE CENTER SECTION, LAURIE SEBASTIAN. OKAY. SO FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK MS. SEBASTIAN FOR THOSE COMMENTS. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL EMAILS KIND OF BACK AND FORTH, LOTS OF DISCUSSION, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH, THROUGH PUBLIC EMAIL REGARDING CONCERNS, UH, AT CARRIAGE TRAILS AND TWO OH ONE. SO I'M, I'M GOING TO GET THROUGH THROUGH MY THOUGHTS ON THIS, AND THEN CERTAINLY OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION EVERYONE. SO WE HAVE A REALLY COMPLEX SITUATION THERE MAINLY BECAUSE OF LET'S JUST FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM OWNERSHIP. SO IF ANYBODY LISTENING, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY QUITE A PEOPLE FROM CARRIAGE TRAILS LISTENING TONIGHT, PAYING ATTENTION, UH, CARES SHOWS BOULEVARD BELONGS TO THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS. ONCE YOU PROGRESS OR MOVE ONE INCH OFF OF CARE SHELLS BOULEVARD ON TO STATE ROUTE TWO OH ONE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT BELONGS TO THE STATE TO STAY ROUND. SO PART OF THIS AS A MIAMI COUNTY ISSUE, PART OF THIS AS AN ODD ISSUE AND WHAT HUBER HEIGHTS HAS THE ABILITY TO FIX IS WHAT'S ON CARRIAGE CHELS BOULEVARD PRIOR TO MOVING OUT ONTO STATE ROUTE TWO OH ONE. SO THERE HAS TO BE LOTS OF COMMUNICATION, LOTS OF WORK, AND LOTS OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN HE WRITES MIAMI COUNTY AND STATE OF OHIO. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE BROUGHT UP WAS, UH, EXTENDING THE 35 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT. DO, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE, UH, SPEED SOMEBODY ON SARAH TO A ONE, OR IS THAT THAT'S ALL, I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S ALL STATE AS WELL. YEAH. W WE WOULD NEED TO, UH, UH, TAKE THAT THROUGH A HIGH DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. SO THEY HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE REGULATES SPEED LIMITS, AND IT'S SET BY THE OAC, UH, IN ANY VARIANCE FOR THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BY, UH, ODO. OKAY. AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WOULDN'T LOOK INTO DOING THAT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WILL ASK. IT'S JUST NOT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN GO OUT THERE IMMEDIATELY AND STICK A NEW, YOU KNOW, US PASS LEGISLATION, LEGISLATIONS, TAKE A SIGN IN THE GROUND THAT SAYS IT'S 35 MILES AN HOUR. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO IMMEDIATELY YET. YEP. MR. BOURBON. OKAY. SO TOWNSHIP CAUSE THE CITY LIMITS STOP RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF CURD SHELLS BOULEVARD. WE, THAT, THAT IS, WE JUST, WE JUST, WE JUST DISCUSSED THAT. OKAY. SO, SO MY CONCERN OBVIOUSLY IS SAYING, AS I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS DIOCESE CONCERN IS SAFETY. SO DO I THINK THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT INTERSECTION SAFER OR ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS OURS AND I, YEAH. AND I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. SO I THINK, I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT, SO THERE, THERE IS THE, THERE IS SOME, THE LIGHTING THAT'S THERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT GREAT. THERE'S BEEN A NEW MONUMENT THAT'S PLACED THERE. THERE'S SOME LIGHTING THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T DO A LOT WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU DRIVE AND I GO INTO CARE SHOWS QUITE OFTEN, WHEN YOU DRIVE NORTH ON BRANT PIKE TO TURN IN THERE, IT REALLY IS QUITE DARK. YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE WAY OUT IN A, UH, IN A VERY URBAN AREA. AND, AND THERE'S JUST NOT MUCH, THERE'S JUST NOT MUCH LIGHT. AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW IT CAN BE USING CAUSE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT ROADS COMING OUT ONTO BRANDT PIKE. YOU'VE GOT ROADS GOING INTO BRANDT PIKE OR ON THE CARRIAGE TRAILS. AND IT JUST DOESN'T LIVE VERY WELL. SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT AN IMMEDIATE A SOLUTION, I THINK ABOUT LIGHTING. SO IF, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIXING THIS, I KIND OF SEE THIS BEING BROKEN DOWN INTO DIFFERENT PHASES. SO A PHASE ONE FIX THAT WOULD BE IMMEDIATE BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT WOULD FALL IN PHASE TWO OR EVEN PHASE TWO, IF THERE IS A PHASE TWO OR PHASE THREE IS GOING TO DEPEND ON PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF OUR LOCAL CONTROL, RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEPEND ON MIAMI COUNTY RENT TO DEPEND ON ODAT, WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO TAKE. SO I'M TALKING ABOUT A PHASE ONE BEING WHAT WE CAN CONTROL, WHAT WE CAN FIX. SO I THINK LIGHTING NUMBER ONE, I THINK IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED. SO THIS IS NOT MY [02:30:01] IDEA, I THINK, BUT IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF REFLECTIVE PAINT ON THE CURB AREAS THERE, UH, IN BETWEEN THE, THE ROADS WHERE THEY GO IN AND KIND OF WHERE THEY COME OUT. UM, YEAH, JUST SO WHEN THE LIGHT IS ON, WE HAVE MORE LIGHTING. PEOPLE CAN SEE WHERE THOSE CURB CUTS ARE AT. IT'S JUST MORE VISIBLE. AND I THINK THAT MAKES IT SAFER, UH, WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP IN THE REFLECTIVE, UM, PIECES YOU SEE ON THE HIGHWAY, BUT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE ROAD WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE WHERE THAT GOES IN, UH, ALONG BRANDT PIKE AND WELL, THE CARRY SHELLS BOULEVARD. SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO THAT LIGHTS UP OR CHANGES WHERE THAT GIVES PEOPLE, PEOPLE MORE VISIBILITY ABOUT HOW TO ENTER. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BIGGEST CONCERNS IS, WHERE DO I TURN IN GOING NORTH? AND IF I'M SETTING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF TWO OH ONE GOING NORTH AND THERE'S TRAFFIC COMING SOUTH, AND I'M AT A STOP WAITING TO TURN I LEFT. AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE ISSUE OF THE SPEED LIMIT. WORRYING ABOUT PEOPLE CALLING OUT THE COMMENTS I'VE HEARD IS ALWAYS CHECKING MY REAR VIEW MIRROR TO MAKE SURE NOBODY IS COMING UP ON ME AT 55 MILES AN HOUR WHILE I'M SITTING STILL AND THEY'RE GONNA RUN, YOU KNOW, RUN INTO ME. SO PEOPLE BROUGHT UP, CAN WE MAKE OR EXPAND THE SECTION OF TWO OH ONE RIGHT THERE AND CREATE SOME ASPHALT OVER, ONTO THE SHOULDER WHERE YOU COULD HAVE PEOPLE PASSING. AND I THINK EVEN THE LIGHTING SITUATION, IF, IF I'M SITTING THERE AT NIGHT OR WE GET INTO WINTER WHERE IT'S DUSK, WHEN I'M COMING HOME WHERE THERE'S LOTS OF TRAFFIC, IF THERE'S MUCH BETTER LIGHTING AT THAT INTERSECTION, NOW I'M IN A SITUATION WHERE IF I AM DRIVING NORTH, I HAVE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO SEE SOMEBODY STOPPED IN FRONT OF ME, ALONG WITH THEIR BRAKE LIGHTS, AS OPPOSED TO JUST AS OPPOSED TO BEING SO DARK. SO, SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE, THAT WE CAN DO. I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT SAFER, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD, AGAIN, AS WE EVEN TALK ABOUT EXPANDING THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD TO ALLOW FOR A CAR WHERE IF A CAR WAS, YOU KNOW, PAWN NORTH ONTO ONE AND THEY REALIZE, OH, THERE'S A CAR IN FRONT OF ME. THEY'VE GOT SOME PLACE TO GO OTHER THAN INTO THE REAR END OF A CAR IN FRONT OF THEM. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOME TYPE OF A CHANGE TO TWO OH ONE. I'M ASSUMING THE SHOULDER AS PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, ALL BELONGS TO THE STATE AS WELL. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, C ISSUE NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS IT'S NOT IN OUR CONTROL, NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO UNLESS WE HAVE COOPERATION FROM, FROM THE, FROM THE STATE, NOT EVEN SO MUCH AS THE COUNTY. SO I'D LIKE EVERYONE TO CARRY SHELVES. TO KNOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION, WE UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION, ANYBODY WHO'S DRIVEN NORTH ON BRANT PIKE TO TURN INTO CARRIAGE TRAILS HAS EXPERIENCED WHAT ALL OF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE IDEA OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, THAT THAT'S NOT A DECISION THAT HE WRITES WOULD MAKE. THAT'S A DECISION THAT THE STATE OF OHIO WOULD MAKE, OH, DOT BASED ON THE STATE ROUTE. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AND DO THEIR OWN TRAFFIC STUDIES. AND I BELIEVE MAYBE SOME HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE OF WHETHER A TRAFFIC LIGHT IS EVEN NECESSARY THERE. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN THE ARGUMENT MADE WHILE THERE'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT RANT PIKE AND SHOAL. AND THERE'S THE ARGUMENT OF BRANT PIKE IN AN EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD. UM, THOUGH IT WAS A TERM THAT THOSE WERE NECESSARILY TRAFFIC LIGHTS BASED ON TRAFFIC STUDIES FROM MADONNA, CAUSE THAT'S STILL AT, UM, ON A STATE ROUTE. SO WHICH LEAVES US REALLY IS WHEN WE CIRCLE AROUND HERE, WHAT CAN WE DO ON OUR PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT INTERSECTION SAFER? AND I, FOR 1:00 AM FOR ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT INTERSECTION SAFER, MORE VISIBLE, UH, AS MAYBE A PHASE ONE UNTIL WE SEE WHAT OTHER COOPERATION WE'RE GOING TO GET FROM COUNTY AND STATE. SO, UH, FOR ANYONE LISTENING, I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE. IT ISN'T THE WORD NOT WANTING TO DO ANYTHING. IT'S JUST BOUNDARIES. WE DON'T, WE DON'T LEGALLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. SO WE'LL GO TO MR. WEBB AND I'LL COME RIGHT BACK HERE. MR. BROWN, MR. WEBB, MAKE YOU TAKE IT OFF ME. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU MIRROR. UH, MISS SEBASTIAN'S LETTER ADDRESSED ONE OF THE YEARS IS, AND THAT IS WITH BUSES AND, UM, PARENTS GETTING THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL AND YOU ADDRESSED ANOTHER ONE. AND THAT WOULD BE THE ISSUE OF NIGHTTIME UP THERE. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND THE TURNING AND LIGHTING, UH, BEING A BIG PRIORITY IN THERE. ALONG WITH THAT, WE SOLICITED INPUT ON FACEBOOK, UM, FROM A POST ABOUT CARRIAGE TRAILS AND THE CHARACTER CHARLES PAGE. [02:35:01] A LOT OF THAT INPUT CAME BACK WITH A DOZEN DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS. AND WHAT I DID IS I JUST SORT OF CATEGORIZE THEM INTO WHAT IS EXPENSIVE AND DIFFICULT AND WHAT IS COST EFFECTIVE AND PERHAPS A BIT EASIER AND EXPENSIVE AND DIFFICULT BECAUSE MOST OF WHAT THE CHANGES THAT THEY WOULD BE ASKING FOR AS FAR AS LEFT TURN LANES, EXPANDING THE PAVEMENT, WORKING WITH ODAT TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES THAT THEY'RE LONG TERM ARE GONNA COST A LOT OF MONEY AND ARE DIFFICULT TO DO, BUT COST EFFECTIVE AND EASIER. I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT LIGHTING AND I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR ODAT TO APPROVE A REDUCTION IN THE SPEED LIMIT THERE THEN WOULD BE TO GET THEM TO SAY AGREED, TO PUT IT HIGHER ON THE PRIORITY LIST TO HAVE PLANES. SO GETTING THEM TO REDUCE THE SPEED AND PERHAPS ON OUR PART, COMING UP WITH SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAT WOULD HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE TURNAROUNDS ARE, WHAT, WHAT ENTRANCE IS, WHAT THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT I THINK WE COULD DO EFFECTIVELY AND IN THE LONG TERM PLAN WITH ODAT TO MAKE PERMANENT CHANGES, TO HELP THAT, UM, INTERSECTION. THANK YOU, MR. WEBB, MR. OTTO, AND THEN MRS. BURCH. YEAH. I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS IN CARRIAGE TRAILS, IN ADDITION TO FOLKS IN BETHEL, UH, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU GUYS WERE MENTIONED, AND THERE ARE SO MANY IDEAS OUT THERE I'M GONNA, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH, YOU'RE SAYING, TAKE IT HERE AT APPROACH TO IT, TO, TO KNOCK OUT SOME OF THE QUICK, EASY THINGS LIKE LIGHTING IS CERTAINLY AN ISSUE THERE. THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT'S A COMMON, COMMON THEME. UM, WE CAN PUT SOME TYPE OF SIGNAGE BECAUSE I KNOW IT SEEMS THE TWO PRIMARY DIFFICULTIES ARE TURNING IN WHEN YOU'RE GOING NORTH ON TWO OH ONE, IT'S HARD TO IDENTIFY THAT PARTICULAR ENTRANCE SOMETIMES. AND THEN I'M PULLING OUT ONTO TWO OH ONE TO GO NORTH, SAME THING. SO, YOU KNOW, SOME MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH SOME OF THEM. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW, UM, I CAN UNDERSTAND A LOT OF LAWYERS, SEBASTIAN'S COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS. AND AGAIN, I THINK A, YOU KNOW, AN ADDITIONAL LANE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE ON TWO OH ONE OR A SPEED LIMIT CHANGE WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE THAT MUCH SAFER. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO ODAT AND THAT'S GOING TO BE AN EVENTUAL THING, NOT A QUICK THING. UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUTSIDE OF SOME LINE LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE CHANGES AS DON SUGGESTED AS WELL, UH, WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THERE BEEN SOME STUDIES IN THE PAST. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING CURRENT. I LIKE TO SEE WHAT MAYBE SOME TYPES OF RECOMMENDATIONS OR WERE, UH, IF THERE WAS ANY CAVEATS TO A POTENTIAL GROWTH OR IT WOULD BE RESURVEY MADE, OR IF THE GROWTH EXCEEDED SO MUCH, THEN MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY. CAUSE SOMETIMES THAT'S THE CASE. UM, BUT YEAH, WITH A COUPLE THOUSAND HOMES BACK IN THERE AND POURING OUT TO GO TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY, I CAN SEE THAT TRAFFIC BEING A NIGHTMARE. AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU GOT THAT LANE JUST SHOOTING BY AT 50 AND YOU GOT A BUS TRYING TO GET OUT IN THE MORNING, I DID TEST THAT, UH, ONCE IN THE EVENING. AND ONCE IN THE MORNING YOU CAN SIT THERE FOR SEVERAL MINUTES JUST, AND THAT'S JUST ME AND MY VEHICLE, UM, THAT I CAN GET OUT WITH PRETTY QUICK. I CAN'T IMAGINE A BUS. SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT ON HIM, LIGHTING SIGNAGE EARLY, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING TEAR THIS OUT, UM, WORK WITH ODAT ON SOME LONG AND MORE LONGTERM CHANGE, BUT I'D LIKE TO, I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT KIND OF STUDIES AS WELL THAT THEY'VE HAD OR CURRENTLY HAVE ON THAT AREA. IF WE HAVE ANYTHING, DO WE KNOW WHEN THE LAST, UH, TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE ON TWO ONE, THEY'RE LIKE, WHEN'S THE LAST TIME THAT WAS LOOKED AT FOR LIGHT? UH, I DON'T, I THINK THAT WE HAD A STUDY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAD AN ACTUAL TRAFFIC LIGHT WARRANT STUDY DONE. UM, DO WE RECALL ANY OF THAT? OKAY. FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT OR FOR JUST THE INTERSECTION? I THINK IT JUST LOOKED AT THE INTERSECTION, RIGHT? MAYBE THEY HAD NO TRAFFIC COUNTS TO KNOW RIGHT HERE. OKAY. AT THREE YEARS IS THAT THAT'S, THAT'S RELATIVELY CURRENT, BUT AT THREE YEARS, I WOULD SAY THOSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR BILLS A HUNDRED IT'S THREE YEARS. YEAH. RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S 400, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S GROWTH AND 70 NEW FOR SURE. NEW RESIDENTS I'LL REVERT BACK TO WHAT ROSEANNE SAID. SO IS THAT WE CAN, OR SHOULD WE ENCOURAGE MIAMI COUNTY ABOUT THE TOWNSHIP TO REQUEST THOSE ADDITIONS? OR IS THAT, OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO ON BEHALF OF OUR RESIDENTS? [02:40:01] I THINK WE CAN DO REQUESTS, BUT I DON'T KNOW. IT WOULD PROBABLY BETTER. I THINK WE CAN TRY AND DO THAT. RIGHT. I WAS JUST THINKING THE SAME RULE WOULD APPLY IF IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY, IF IT'S NOT US, WOULD IT BE BETTER FOR THEM TO REQUEST THAT THE SAME AS THEY, THE ANSWERS? I MEAN, IN MY OPINION, THE ANSWER IS IT'S, IT'S A CONCERN AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM BOTH COMMUNITIES. SO WE'VE GOT A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH BETHEL TOWNSHIP. IN FACT, I JUST MET WITH A TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR, UH, EARLIER IN THE WEEK WE TALK AND, AND MEET REGULARLY. AND, UM, UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF COMING TOGETHER FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS AT MUTUAL RACHEL. RIGHT. SO, UM, TAKE SOME NOTES ON SOME COMMENTS TO FOLLOW UP ON WHERE OUR FACES ARE AND WHAT OUR PLAN OF ACTION COULD BE MOVING FORWARD. SO IF, UM, I'M GOING TO GET TO MISS MS. BIRD JOHNSON SAW MRS. BERG. YEAH. A COUPLE OF THINGS AND KIND OF FOLLOWING ON WHAT ROB JUST SAID. I THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA IF THE TOWNSHIP AND THE CITY GOT TOGETHER AND WENT TO THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND, OR ODAT KIND OF IN A, YOU KNOW, A UNITED FRONT AND SAY, WE WANT TO WORK THIS ISSUE AND TO SHARE OUR CONCERNS. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE MORE WEIGHT IF WE WENT IN TOGETHER. UM, THE, UH, THE OTHER, MY SECOND QUESTION WAS, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO INSTALL LIGHTING ON THE CARRIAGE TRAIL SIDE ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF CARRIAGE TRAILS RATHER THAN OUT ON TWO OH ONE. AND MY THIRD QUESTION IS WHO INSTALLED? DO YOU KNOW WHO INSTALLED THE SIGN, THE LEFT TURN SIGN THAT SAYS TURN IN HERE TO CARRIAGE TRAILS AND IT POINTS LEFT BECAUSE THAT SIGN ACTUALLY POINTS TO THE EXIT LANE AND IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED FORWARD, UH, NEEDS TO BE MOVED NORTH TO ACTUALLY POINT TO THE ENTRANCE, TO, UM, TO CARRIAGE TRAILS. YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT POINT, NANCY. I THINK THAT WHEN, SO THE ONLY SIGN THAT REALLY SHOWS WHERE TO TURN IS PROBABLY A HUNDRED FEET BEFORE WHERE THE ACTUAL ENTRANCE IS. SO I THINK THAT WE JUST DEFER THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIGNAGE, UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING I THINK WE CAN HANDLE IN HOUSE OR ROOM. WELL, YEAH, THOSE ARE, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CALLED, UM, YOU KNOW, DIRECTIONAL WARNING SIGNS. AND AGAIN, THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE PLACED TO ALERT YOU OF YOUR UPCOMING TURN, NOT, HEY, THERE WAS SCARCE TRAILS, RIGHT. SO IT DOES NO GOOD TO HAVE THE SIGN THAT I'VE HEARD THIS, AND I'VE, I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH MANY PEOPLE. WHY DON'T YOU, WHY, WHY IS IT THE SIGN RIGHT AT THE STREETS? BECAUSE IT'S ATTENDED TO SAY, HEY, CARRIAGE TRAILS IS COMING UP THAT WAY. YEAH, IT DOES NO GOOD TO SAY, OH, THERE IT IS. UH, SO IS THERE A BALANCE SOMEWHERE IN THERE? YES. BUT BE AWARE THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A SIGN THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS IS COMING UP MEANS THAT IT IS BEFORE YOU MAKE THE TERMS. AND I TOTALLY GET THAT. I THINK UNDER ANY NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WAS AS CONFUSING AS THAT PARTICULAR SITE, I WOULD BE ALL. YEAH, SURE. AND THAT'S FOR SOMEBODY THAT PROBABLY ISN'T FAMILIAR, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE MAINLY TALKING ABOUT FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE. SO I, BY NOW I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY KNOW WHERE THAT THEY KNOW. RIGHT. SO PHASE ONE, I THINK A LOT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE PROBABLY A PHASE ZERO BEFORE PHASE ONE, AND WE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED THAT. I REMEMBER THAT WAS THE MONUMENT SIGN THAT IS LIT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT CERTAINLY HAS HELPED VISIBILITY TO THAT INTERSECTION. CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WASN'T THERE PRIOR AND IT IS NOW. AND IT'S HUGE. I MEAN, IF YOU MISS THAT, UM, MAYBE STOP BACK AND DO THAT EYE EXAM FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE DRIVER'S LICENSE. BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE SEEING THAT ONCE YOU, RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION, UH, FOR THE, THE PAPERBARK IS THE LIGHTING AND SIGNS AND ALL THOSE THINGS, THE, UH, WELL THERE IS ONE ORNAMENTAL STREETLIGHT THERE, UH, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A COUPLE OTHERS ON EITHER SIDES OF THE INTERSECTION TO INCREASE ADDITIONAL LIGHTING IS CERTAINLY THERE. SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S UTILITIES THERE. SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SEE IF HAVING A ADDITIONAL DECORATIVE, UM, UH, LIGHT FIXTURES PUT UP THERE AS WELL, UH, PAVEMENT MARKINGS AND PAINTING IT, LOOKED AT IT. AND, UM, THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME ADDITIONAL STUFF THAT THAT CAN BE DONE ON, ON WHAT WE'LL CALL OUR PORTION. AND THAT IS, UM, WHERE THERE'S CALL IT, UH, A MEDIAN, IF YOU WILL, BUT IT'S, IT'S CREATED WITH PAINT. UH, NOW WITH SOME OF THOSE DRIVES, MAYBE THERE'S SOME OF THOSE, UH, APPLIED REFLECTORS, UH, THAT CAN BE PUT ON THE ROWS OF THOSE HAZARDS TO SHOW THAT, LOOK, THIS IS [02:45:01] NOT A TURN LANE. YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP MOVING UP THAT WAY. SO TOO, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK VISIBLY LAYERS, A LOT OF THINGS, UM, THE PLACEMENT AND THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGNS ARE VERY, VERY CRITICAL, UM, IN TERMS OF WHERE IT GOES. PERHAPS IF SOMEBODY IS LOOKING TO THE LEFT, MAYBE WE HAVE A CARRIAGE TRAIL SIGN THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS WAY UP INSTEAD OF WHERE IT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, TO THE LEFT AND GO TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT THAT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN STANDPOINT. UH, I WAS TALKING TO MR. CAMPBELL EARLIER ABOUT, UH, UM, UH, THE OTHER DAY ABOUT SIGNS AND SOME OTHER STUFF. UH, HE WAS, UH, HE WAS ASKING ABOUT, UH, DOWN IN WARD FIVE AND, UH, WE GOT TO TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNS THAT ARE AT TWO OH TWO AND 70, RIGHT? THE SIGNS THAT I HAD PUT IN THAT ARE LOW TO THE GROUND, THAT YOU CAN'T HELP, BUT TO LOOK AT, IF YOU'RE PULLING UP THAT SAYS, NO TRESPASSING, NO ADVERTISING, WE'VE NOT HAD A SIGN PUT THERE SINCE WE PUT THOSE SIGNS UP. RIGHT. SO THE EFFECTIVENESS AND THE PLACEMENT OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THE SIGNS, I THINK REALLY HAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN ASPECT. SO, UM, I, WHAT WE CAN DO IS GO BACK, UM, YOU KNOW, RUSS HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THAT INTERSECTION, THE STUDIES, UH, HE HE'S DONE SOME WORK HIMSELF. UH, I THINK WE CAN COMPILE ALL OF THAT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IN THAT PHASE. ONE IMMEDIATE THING THAT HAS TO DO WITH LOOK AT IT FROM A DRIVER'S PERSPECTIVE. I KNOW THE HIGHER ADMINISTRATIVE CODE SAYS, PUT A SIGN HERE AND SHALL SAY THIS, BUT WHAT OTHER THINGS COULD WE ENHANCE FROM THAT ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN PERSPECTIVE OF A PERSON IN A CAR DRIVING AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SEE AND LOOK AT? AND I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON, UH, ON DRAWING MORE ATTENTION TO THE SPECIFIC OUTPUTS AND INPUTS OF THAT INTERSECTION, UH, REGARDING SOME OF THE OTHER COST FEATURES AND THINGS THAT WOULD GET INTO CAUSE, UH, THE THING THAT, UH, RUSS HAS TALKED ABOUT AND THAT, UH, HE HE'S, HE'S STARTING TO WORK ON, UH, IS A, IS AN APPLICATION TO THE STATE OF OHIO FOR SAFETY FUNDING. AND WHAT THAT DOES, DOES THAT INVOLVE ZIP TO REVIEW IT FOR, UH, SOME SAFETY CONCERNS? SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN SOME SAFETY CONCERNS BROUGHT UP, UH, THE, THE ASPECT OF SITTING IN WAITING TO TURN LEFT WITH A FAST APPROACHING, UH, YOU KNOW, A LINE OF CARS. I THINK THAT MORE THAN WARTS AND JUSTIFIES A SLOW DOWN OF THE SPEED LIMIT, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY WORK WITH ODAT TO GET IT IN THAT AREA, BUT IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INTERSECTION, UH, MODIFICATIONS SUCH AS A PASS LANE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THERE WILL BE COSTS. THAT'S WHAT THE SAFETY FUNDING IS THERE FOR. SO WE'LL WORK IN GETTING THE APPLICATION, UH, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, RUSS HAS ALREADY A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THAT AND WE'LL FINISH GETTING THAT PUT TOGETHER, UH, IN COMBINATION WITH ANY INPUT IN A JOINT APPLICATION WITH, UH, WITH BETHEL TOWNSHIP AS WELL. SO ONCE WE GET BACK FROM ODAT THE AVAILABILITY OF ANY SAFETY FUNDING, THEY'LL BASICALLY MAKE A DETERMINATION OF THE LEVEL OF RISK AND HAZARD OF THAT INTERSECTION TO THAT PROCESS. SO THAT WILL BE HELPFUL, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD AS WELL, TOO. SO, UH, I, I THINK THAT, UH, IN, IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND ADDRESS SIGNAGE, PAVEMENT MARKINGS, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S RELATIVELY EASY. UM, IT'S NOT FREE OBVIOUSLY, BUT YOU KNOW, THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS ARE GOING TO CONTRACT THAT STUFF OUT. UM, IS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPLYING REFLECTORS OR ANYTHING, UH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. UM, AND THEN THE LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, WE'LL, WE'LL FIND OUT HOW MUCH THAT IS. I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE HUGELY COSTLY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THERE'S A COST TO THAT. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THE SOONER WE CAN MOVE ON THAT, THE BETTER, AND MAINLY BECAUSE AS WE'RE MOVING INTO THIS TIME OF YEAR, IT GETS DARKER A LOT FASTER WHERE WHEN PEOPLE ARE GETTING OFF OF WORK AND COMING HOME AT FIVE 30, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S YEAH. AND SOME OF THE NEW LIGHTING TECHNOLOGY OUT SINCE THAT FIXTURE WAS INSTALLED, THERE MAY BE A NEW HAND OR SOMETHING TO PUT ON THAT THAT EMITS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MORE LIGHT. AND SINCE WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH SOME FOLKS THAT, UH, VERY AWARE THAT, AND WE'LL TAP INTO THEIR EXPERTISE AS WELL TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT WE CAN DO. SO, UM, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN HOUSE ON A FEW THINGS WITH THAT FALLS, RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING TO FACE IN APPROACH, BUT I THINK THE MAIN EVALUATION OF IT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION FOR SOME SAFETY FUNDING AND KIND OF CAUSE A REVIEW OF YESTERDAY, THERE WERE A FEW ACCIDENTS OVER REVIEW, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT AND THE INFORMATION THAT SEBASTIAN AND ANY OTHERS HAVE SUBMITTED WILL INCLUDE THAT, UM, AS SOME OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS. AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT, UH, WHAT ODO HAS TO SAY IF, UM, IF THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, UH, THEN THAT'S WHAT SAFETY FUNDINGS FOR, AND THAT SHOULD, THAT SHOULD EASILY APPLY. I THINK YOU'RE UP. HOLD ON ONE SECOND, MR. WEBB, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. THE NC YEAH. JAIL. THE, THE, UH, THE, I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS, IS AT [02:50:01] NIGHTTIME. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE US TO GET ANY LIGHTS INSTALLED, BUT IF YOU GO UP THERE AT ANY GIVEN TIME, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF SKID MARKS WHERE PEOPLE STARTED TO GO INTO THE, WHAT I'LL CALL THE EXIT LANE AND THEN, AND THEN STOPPED. AND, UH, IF WE COULD JUST HAVE THAT SIGN MOVE. SO AT NIGHTTIME, YOU SEE THAT LEFT ARROW AND THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S SO HARD TO SEE UP THERE, THEN PEOPLE WOULD BE LESS LIKELY TO TURN INTO THE ACCIDENT. YOU KNOW, THE EXIT LANE. YEAH. MAYBE WE CAN PUT A COUPLE LIGHTS UP OR SOMETHING TO HELP THAT OUT. OKAY. YES. MR. WEB ONE POINT I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND REFERENCE LORI SEBASTIAN'S LETTER TO COUNSEL, UH, AND IN THAT, UH, REMEMBER THAT SHE IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE SCHOOL BOARD AND AS SUCH ROB, SHE MIGHT BE A RESOURCE TO INCLUDE AS WELL AS TOWNSHIP WHEN I'M APPROACHING ODAT. IF WE HAVE COMMENT FROM BETHEL SCHOOLS, THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE. SO THAT'D BE MY FIRST POINT. UH, THE SECOND POINT, UH, ECHOES KIND OF WHAT NANCY WAS SAYING. I GO UP THERE A LOT FREQUENTLY AT NIGHT. YOU WOULD THINK THAT BY NOW I WOULD BE USED TO WHERE YOU TURN IN, BUT I ACTUALLY KIND OF PRAY FOR A CAR TO BE TURNING IN AHEAD OF ME SO I CAN SEE WHERE THEIR TAILLIGHTS ARE GOING. AND THEN THAT WOULD HELP ME TO KNOW WHERE TO TURN IN AND OUT. I DO THINK LIGHTING IS A PRIORITY TO SOLVE ONE OF THE ISSUES AND THAT IS AT NIGHT. IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'RE OUT THERE. THANK YOU, DAWN. I THINK, UM, HOPEFULLY EVERYONE LISTENING KNOWS THAT, UH, EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS WE'VE GOT SOME INSTRUCTORS THERE. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. UH, WE THINK THAT THERE'S SOME QUICK FIXES THAT WE CAN MAKE, UH, TO MAKE IT SAFER. AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT WHATEVER, WHATEVER THEIR TIERED OR PHASED APPROACH THAT WE NEED TO DO, UH, TO WORK WITH BETHEL, UH, AND THE STATE FOR, FOR ANY OTHER FUNDING TO DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN OUTSIDE OF OUR, OF OUR LOCAL CONTROL. AND THAT ALSO GIVES US A BAROMETER FROM THE STATE AND SOME EXPERTS AS TO THE LEVEL OF SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED. OKAY. SO, AND IF THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE NEEDED AND FUNDED, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING THEIR APPROVAL CAUSE THEY'LL BE DOING IT. OKAY. AND THEN, OKAY. SO YES, MS. BAKER, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU GUYS SAID. I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE EVEN ASK FOR TWO LANES GOING NORTH AND TWO LANES COMING SOUTH AND A TURN LANE FROM SHELL ROAD JUST 40. THEY LET THAT GO THROUGH. YEAH. SO AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE, I MEAN, THAT'LL BE A BIG, IT'S A BIG PROJECT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LIKE A JOINT MCRPC APPLICATION FOR BETHEL TOWNSHIP. UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, BE A, BE A CO-SIGNER OF IT, BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE A FUNDING MECHANISM THAT THE TOWNSHIP ITSELF WOULD, WOULD WANT TO WORK ON. SO WHEN, UH, WHEN THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE, WE'LL WE'LL PARTNER WITH THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU, KATE. SO IT SEEMS LIKE, OR SOUNDS LIKE AT LEAST WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF CIRCLED THE WAGON THERE ON THE CURVES TRAILS ENTRANCE, UH, ROB, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT THE MCRPC FUNDING APPLICATION ON CHAMBER'S WORK REQUEST. IS THAT SOMETHING ELSE WE NEED TO ADDRESS AT THIS TIME? UH, WE, WE CAN MOVE THAT. YEAH. I MENTIONED THAT IN MY CITY MANNERS OR JEFF, YOU KNOW, THAT THING. OKAY. SAY MANAGER'S UPDATE. OKAY. SO I WOULD JUST SAY AT THIS POINT, I THINK EVERYBODY IS IN AGREEMENT. UH, STAFF WILL COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, UH, IN THE, IN THE IMMEDIATE, RATHER THAN, THAN THE LONG TERM. OKAY. SO NEXT [ 2021 Miami County Public Defender Agreement] UP IS ITEM THREE P WHICH IS THE 20, 21 MIAMI COUNTY PUBLIC DEFENDER. I HAVE THAT MIRROR. YES. MR. ROGERS. UH, THIS IS FOR THE, UH, 2021, UH, PUBLIC DEFENDER AGREEMENT FOR MIAMI COUNTY. UH, WHAT THIS DOES IS, UH, PAYS FOR PUBLIC DEFENDER REPRESENTATION FOR INDIGENT PERSONS, UH, WHO ARE RESIDENTS OF MIAMI COUNTY. UH, THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED TO US IS TO KEEP THE CONTRACT THE SAME AS IT'S BEEN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, WHICH IS A COST OF $826 AND 88 CENTS PER CASE. AND, UH, SO THE TERMS AND, AND THE COST OF THE AGREEMENT, UH, FOR 2021 REMAINED THE SAME AS THEY WERE IN 2020, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, WE'D LIKE TO GET THIS IN PLACE PRIOR TO JANUARY 1ST. [02:55:02] UM, THERE'S SEVERAL STEPS THAT IT HAS TO GO THROUGH IN TERMS OF, UH, SIGNINGS AT DIFFERENT LEVELS, INCLUDING THE STATE PUBLIC DEFENDER. SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE A RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY TO, UH, APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT, UH, FOR 2021. OKAY. THANKS MS. ROGERS. ANY OBJECTIONS TO MR. ROGERS, ASK CASING DOWN, HEARING NONE OF THAT ONTO MONDAY AND THERE'LL BE A MONTGOMERY COUNTY ONE THAT'LL COME AT A LATER TIME. OKAY. NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE Q, WHICH IS THE, UH, ITEM THAT WE HAD AMENDED THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. UM, SO, UH, AT THIS TIME, UH, I WOULD, UH, ASK MR. SHAW TO READ AND DISCUSS THIS AND TALK ABOUT WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE, UH, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT, UH, UH, UH, THAT HE HAD WITH ME, WHAT HE ASKED OF ME WHEN HE CALLED. SO, UH, MR. SHAWL, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, IT IS MY, UM, MY ASS TO THIS COUNCIL IN ORDER TO, UM, HONOR, UH, THE LEGACY OF, UM, CAROL MAS, UH, IN THE HEBREW HEIGHTS COMMUNITY TO, UM, UH, RENAME THE SECTION OF FISHBURG, UH, ROAD FROM BETWEEN, UH, TROY PIKE AND RIP RAP. UM, UH, AND IN HONOR OF HER, UM, AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UM, WARRIOR SOCCER COMPLEX, UH, MAIN ENTRANCE IS ON FITCHBURG. SO IT WOULD BE ON THAT SECTION. UM, A LOT OF THE VISITORS THAT WE HAVE TO OUR COMMUNITY FOR SOCCER, UM, UH, IT WOULD EITHER COME FROM FITCHBURG OR TO RIP HER UP, UM, OBVIOUSLY, UM, WITH THE, UH, JUST RECENT, UH, UH, NAMING OF THE FIELDS IN HER HONOR, AS WELL AS HER HUSBAND, HANK, UM, UH, JUST LAST YEAR AS WELL. UM, I COULD SIT HERE AND I THINK WE CAN GO ON AND I CAN, I COULD SPEND SOME TIME TELLING YOU ABOUT ALL THE ACCOMPLISH ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT I BELIEVE WARRANTS, UH, UH, CAROL, UH, THIS, UH, THIS HONOR, UM, NOT JUST HERE IN THE REGION, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE ENTIRE STATE. UM, SO THAT, THAT IS MY ASK. UM, I WOULD ALSO REQUEST TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCIL DOES CONSIDER THIS, UM, THAT WE REACH OUT TO HER, TO HER FAMILY, ONCE THE SIGNS ARE COMPLETED, UH, FOR A DEDICATION HERE AT CITY HALL. UM, AND, UM, AND MAYBE EVEN, UM, YOU KNOW, A REMEMBRANCE AS WELL, UM, WITH THAT AND A PROCLAMATION FROM THIS COUNCIL, UM, I KNOW JUST A FEW YEARS BACK, UM, SHE DID RECEIVE, LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE CITIES CITIES HIGHEST HONORS, AS WELL AS THE KEY TO THE CITY. UM, SO, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT'S DEFINITELY WARRANTED. UM, THAT IS, THAT IS MY ASK OF COUNCIL. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE, UM, WE WOULD NEED TO PREPARE SUCH A SIGN. UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, UH, UM, PUT A RECOMMENDATION FOR ON MONDAY F LEGISLATION IS NEEDED, UM, AND HAVE THAT DONE A FUTURE TIME WHEN, UH, WHEN THE FAMILY CAN BE PRESENT. UM, I KNOW IT WAS KIND OF SOON AS A, AS SHE HAD JUST PASSED THIS WEEKEND. UM, I KNOW THAT WE ONLY HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEETINGS THROUGH THE END OF THIS YEAR. UM, SO THAT'S A IT'S, UM, NO TIME LIKE THE PRESENT. UM, BUT, UH, THAT IS MY, YES. THANK YOU. SO, AND, AND MR. SHAW, I UNDOUBTEDLY SUPPORT THAT ACTION A HUNDRED A HUNDRED PERCENT. WELL, MY ONLY, MY ONLY QUESTION IS THE BOUNDARIES BETWEEN HEBREW HEIGHTS AND DAYTON DOWN THERE ARE REALLY FUZZY TO ME STILL AFTER 48 YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, GOING, GOING DOWN FITCHBURG, TORE, RIP RAP, IF THERE'S A SIGN SOMEWHERE IN THE COT, OR EVEN ON CHAMBERSBURG, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE KNOW THAT'S HUBER HEIGHTS, BUT THEN SO EVEN IF WE COULDN'T PUT A SIGN FURTHER DOWN, BECAUSE THAT'S DAYTON, YOU KNOW, WHAT NUMBER ONE WOULD WOULD, COULD WE TALK TO DAYTON AND FIND OUT IF THEY WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT OR WHAT THAT SOLUTION MIGHT BE, BUT MOST PEOPLE, WHEN THEY SEE THAT, THEN THEY'RE JUST GOING TO ASSUME THAT THAT'S THE NAME OF THE ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN. MY CONCERN IS COMING BACK UP. IF, IF WE CAN'T CHANGE THE NAME OF FITCHBURG FROM RIP REP COMING BACK UP, BECAUSE THAT'S SAY A DATE, AND THEN AS MR. SHAW HAD SUGGESTED, AS PEOPLE COME, ARE COMING OUT THAT WAY, THEY REALLY WOULDN'T KNOW THAT SHE'S BEING RECOGNIZED AND THE FIELDS ARE ART FURTHER AWAY FROM ENDICOTT, IF ENDICOTT IS WHERE THE, WHERE THAT BOUNDARY IS AT. SO, SO, OH, I SUPPORT IT AS A HUNDRED PERCENT. I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK WITH DATA TO MAKE IT REAL CLEAR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND IF DAYTON DOESN'T AGREE, WHERE CAN WE WORK? CAN WE PUT THAT? YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE WOULDN'T REALLY BE REMOVING [03:00:01] THE NAME FISHBURG GROUP. WE WOULD BE ADDING, UM, UH, MEMORIAL PARKWAY TO THE NAME SO MUCH LIKE VETERAN'S MEMORIAL PARKWAY ON TAYLORSVILLE, TAYLORSVILLE ROAD IS STILL THE ADDRESS. SO AS FAR AS SIGNAGE GOES, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE SIGNAGE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, UH, IT ALMOST EXTENDS DOWN TO THERE. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AT, AT TWO OH TWO OR, YOU KNOW, TROY PIKE, UH, HAVING A, YOU KNOW, INDICATIONS THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MEMORIAL PARKWAY, UH, THAT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE AT ALL. AND IT REALLY IS MORE OF A DEDICATION AND, YOU KNOW, SIGNAGE AND CEREMONIAL TYPE OF THINGS. SO, AND THEN HAVING A SIGN AGAIN AT, UH, AT ENDICOTT, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS THERE'D BE AIRLINE WOULD BE THE OTHER CROSS STREET AS WELL. YOU KNOW, WE COULD PLACE THE SIGNAGE AT, YOU KNOW, AT THE CROSS STREETS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, AND COMING FROM THE, UM, FIELDS, UH, TWO, UH, AS SOON AS WE GET INTO HUBER HEIGHTS, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT THERE, JUST OUT, I'LL JUST OUTSIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, AT THE CORPORATION LIMITS EVEN, YOU KNOW, PUT A ROADWAY, UH, ASSIGN, YOU KNOW, CAROL MOSS MEMORIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, ROADWAY. SO I, I THINK, I THINK THAT OUR OBJECTIVE CAN EASILY BE MET, UH, WITHOUT, UM, NEEDING ANY TYPE OF ACTUAL RENAMING OF THE ROAD. I THINK PLACING THE MEMORIAL, UH, INDICATION OVER TOP OF IT. WE CAN DO THAT, UH, VERY EASILY. PERFECT. AND I THINK 90% OF THE PEOPLE AROUND HERE PROBABLY THINK THAT HUBERT GOES ALL THE WAY RIPRAP ANYWAY. RIGHT. IT'S LIKE ONE OF THOSE FACEBOOK QUESTIONS. HOW MANY DAYS WERE YOU WHEN YOU FOUND OUT HE WERE STOPPED? IT WAS YESTERDAY. AND WE'LL SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE FURNISHED THE COST OF THE MATERIALS AND THE SIGNS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE THE LOGISTICS OF, UH, OF CHECKING WITH THE CITY OF DATE FOR THE SHORT PORTION THERE FROM RIP RAP, IF SOMEBODY WERE TURNING ON FROM RIPRAP. UH, BUT AT WORST CASE SCENARIO, ONCE YOU GET UP TO THE SOCCER COMPLEX, UM, THE VISIBILITY WITHIN CUBEWRITER, WE CAN S WE CAN CLEAR THE DENOTE THAT IS MOST, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE ROADWAY. PERFECT. MR. WEBB, MR. BURCH. YES. UM, ACTUALLY I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE PRETTY NICE TO PUT A REAL NICE MEMORIAL PLAQUE RIGHT THERE AND, UH, THE WARRIOR SOCCER FIELD, UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE CONSOLIDATE AND, UH, WHERE THEY WOULD, WOULD SEE IT MORE READILY THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVING A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE PARKWAY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO COME INTO THE FIELDS IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND, AND SOMETHING REALLY NICE THERE TO RECOGNIZE HER WOULD BE PRETTY COOL. I THINK THE ORGANIZATION IS WORKING ON DOING SUB TO NOTIONS WITHIN THEIR COMPLEX. AND IN FACT, WHEN THEY REACHED OUT TO US TODAY AND TALK WITH MY GREY, UH, WE OFFERED UP, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, DONATING ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, SIGNAGE OR INDICATION FROM WITHIN THAT WE CAN PROVIDE. SO, UH, I THINK THE ORGANIZATION IS WORKING ON DOING SOMETHING WITHIN THEIR COMPLEX. YES, MR. CAMPBELL, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE LEGISLATION ON WHEN THE NIGHT'S MEETING AND GET MOVING FORWARD. ROB, YOU COULD GET THE STREETS DEPARTMENT TO START RIGHT AWAY ON THE SIGNAGE. OKAY. YEAH. I'M LIKE RICHARD, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT DONE SOONER THAN LATER. PERFECT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO. THERE WAS A SECOND POINT. WE DID HAVE ALL THE SAME LINES. UH, THE, UH, OUR MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION HAS ASKED, UM, UH, ABOUT NAMING IN SIMILAR FASHION, UH, MASTER SERGEANT LOU BROWN MEMORIAL PARKWAY ON NEBRASKA TO THE EAST FROM TWO OH ONE, UH, AS HE WAS VERY INVOLVED IN THE, UH, AMVETS VFW AND ALL VETERANS ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. UH, AND THEY HAD ASKED THAT IN MEMORY OF HIM THAT WE CAN, UH, NAME THAT PORTION OF NEBRASKA, UH, IN MEMORIAM IN HIS, UH, IN HIS NAME AND HONOR. AND IF THAT IS OKAY, THEN WE CAN COMBINE THAT WITHIN THIS, UH, YES, MAYOR, THANK YOU. UM, LIKE TO, UM, PARROT THAT INFORMATION TO MONDAY, UH, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE SAME RESOLUTION, SEPARATE, UH, BY GET THAT MOVEMENT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AS WELL. I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA. YES. [03:05:01] YEAH. IT WOULD JUST BE A, YOU KNOW, MASTER SERGEANT, UH, LOU BROWN MEMORIAL DRIVE. OKAY. LAYERED ON TOP OF YES. YEAH. LAYERED ON, ON THE NAME OF THE STREET. CORRECT. REAL QUICK. I, UM, CERTAINLY HAVE NO ISSUES THERE AT ALL. I'M JUST, I'D BE REMISSED IF I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, UM, JACK. SO WHEN, UH, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT MEMORIALIZING A VETERAN UP THERE BETWEEN THE AMBITS BITS AND VFW, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO NOT THINK ABOUT JACK BRAIN CAMP. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, COULD IT BE BROWN BRAIN CAMP, MEMORIAL PARK, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UM, MAYBE YOU COULD TALK TO THE VETERANS COMMISSION ABOUT? I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, LOU'S PASSING IS PROBABLY MORE RECENT MEMORY OF, OF EVERYONE, UM, THAN JACK, BUT I JUST, FOR ME PERSONALLY, WHEN I THINK ABOUT MEMORIALIZING OF, OF A VETERAN WHO, UH, WORKED WITHIN THE END BETS OR IN VFW FRUIT FOR SO MANY YEARS, I JUST CAN'T NOT THINK ABOUT JACK BRAIN CAMP. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD THINK ABOUT AS A DUAL NAME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR ONE SECTION FROM BLUE AND THE OTHER SECTION, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S, I'M JUST TALKING, CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S COMING TO MIND. I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE VETERAN'S COMMISSIONED, UM, THOUGHTS ON THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YA. UM, I DO HAVE THE SAME SENTIMENT. UH, I MEAN, JACK BREEN CAMP WAS, IT WAS A HUGE STAPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY, UH, NOT JUST WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE VETERANS ORGANIZATIONS CHAMBER OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. UM, I MEAN, I THINK HE WAS THE CITY'S PERSONAL PHOTOGRAPHER FOR MANY. UM, SO I, I DO COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT. I JUST DON'T KNOW. IN WHAT WAY? UM, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE, I BELIEVE IT'S BANNERS RIGHT HERE AS A NUT. UM, YEAH. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, HE IS, UH, HE IS DEFINITELY SEEN EVERY DAY WHEN I DRIVE BY HERE. UM, BUT, UH, I, I WOULD AGREE. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WAY WOULD BE FOR THAT. UM, AND I THINK I WOULD PERSONALLY PUT THAT ON THE VETERANS AND I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THE, THEY BROUGHT IT UP. SO THEY'VE CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, TALKED TO ROB ABOUT IT BEING, YOU KNOW, FOR, UH, FOR LOU, I ALMOST HATE TO EVEN BRING THAT UP, BUT I WOULD, I'D FEEL HORRIBLE IF I DIDN'T TO MAKE SURE THAT DISCUSSION DIDN'T AT LEAST HAPPEN. SO YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD TALK TO THEM, ROB AND JUST SEE WHAT, SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THAT. AND I KNOW SINCE IT WAS THE ULTIMATE, IT ULTIMATELY IS GOING TO BE A COUNCIL POLICY DECISION. SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE THE PRACTICE OF NAMING, UH, YOU KNOW, A PORTION OR A ROADWAY AFTER TWO PEOPLE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN, UH, WE CAN EMPLOY THAT PRACTICE AND, AND JUST DO IT. AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO THIS KIND OF, THAT THOUGHT IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WAS MORE OFF THE CUFF. UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT UP UNTIL I BROUGHT IT UP, SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. SO, ALRIGHT, HOLD LIKE, PULL THAT OFF FOR MONDAY AND THEN WE'LL, UH, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. AND I KNOW THAT LOU WAS A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, SO, UH, I CERTAINLY SEE WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEIR MINDSET IS AT AND THE DIRECTIONS ARE GOING. I TOTALLY GET THAT. I JUST, UM, I LIKE JACKIE LACEY, PART OF THAT DISCUSSION FOR THEN COUNSELOR CONSIDER I'LL PULL IT OFF. UH, I, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I KNOW TONIGHT WAS A LENGTHY MEETING, UH, WAS PROBABLY ONE OF ONE OF OUR LONGHORNS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA EARN OUR KEEP. SO, UH, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I WOULD ASK IF THERE'S ANY CLOSING COMMENTS OR, UH, OR AS A BUSINESS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS BEFORE, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY ADJOURN FOR THIS EVENING, UH, GO TO MR. OTTO. AND THEN MR. I'LL BE VERY QUICK MAYOR. UH, I WAS ASKED BY, UH, SOME MEMBERS OF THE, UH, HEBREW HEIGHTS, ROTARY CLUB TO BRING A PROPOSITION TO US. UM, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE NECESSARILY LOOKING FOR A ASSISTANCE OR PERMISSION OR, OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. JUST KIND OF OUR SUPPORT ON THIS. UH, THEY'RE LOOKING TO START A NEW PROGRAM CALLED, UH, FLAGS ACROSS THE HEIGHTS AND WHAT THIS IS IS DESIGNED TO DO. AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE A BUSINESS OR INDIVIDUAL COULD SIGN UP FOR THIS PROGRAM. AND THEN ON CERTAIN DAYS AROUND THE YEAR WHERE FLAGS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, SUCH AS MEMORIAL DAY, 4TH OF JULY, LABOR DAY, FLAG DAY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY COME OUT AND PUT THOSE FLAGS UP FOR THOSE PEOPLE FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN COME OUT AND REMOVE THEM. AND YOU BASICALLY SIGN UP [03:10:01] TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO TOO, AS, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THE ROTARY COLLABORATORS IS A LOT OF MONEY AND DOES THINGS, A LOT OF THINGS LOCALLY. AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH THESE FUNDS IS TO, UH, HELP TO RETURN SOME MONEY TO OUR PARK SYSTEM. UM, THEIR FOCUS RIGHT NOW IS ON TOM CLOUD. THEY'D LIKE TO DO ASSIST US WITH TOM CLOUD AND SOME UPGRADES AND THEN MOVE ON TO SOME OTHER AREAS AS WELL. UM, BUT THEY'VE ASKED ME TO BRING THIS. SO, UM, I JUST KINDA WANTED TO, TO TRY THIS OUT AND, AND I'VE GIVEN A COPY TO MR. SCHIRMER AND TO THE MAYOR, AND I CAN GO AHEAD. IF ANYONE WANTS ANY OF THIS INFORMATION, I'D BE HAPPY TO FORWARD IT TO THEM. UM, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT REALLY ASKING FOR ANY TYPE OF ASSISTANCE, PRETTY MUCH JUST A, UM, WELL, THEY, THEY THEY'RE, THEIR REQUESTS SPECIFICALLY WAS WE'D LIKE THE COUNCIL'S BLESSING TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT. UM, AND THAT'S REALLY ALL THEY'RE ASKING FOR, BUT, UH, I TOLD THEM I WOULD PRESENT IT TO EVERYBODY. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. AND, UH, IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN THIS INFORMATION, LET ME KNOW. UM, I HAVE IT, OR I'M, LIKE I SAID, MR. SCHIRMER, MR. GORE HABIT AS WELL. SO ABSOLUTELY SO REAL QUICK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UM, SO YOU GOT THIS JUST KIND OF PRIOR TO ME, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO REALLY GO THROUGH IT, BUT I'LL TELL YOU, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WHAT THIS WAS WHEN YOU FIRST GAVE IT TO ME. SO, UH, MY, MY SON LIVES, UH, JUST OUTSIDE OF KATY, TEXAS, AND IN A MASSIVE SUBDIVISION, PROBABLY FIVE TIMES THE SIZE OF CARRIAGE TRAILS. AND THEY JUST BOUGHT THEIR HOUSE THERE A FEW BACK IN THE SUMMER. AND WE WERE JUST DOWN THERE FOR THE WEDDING. AND THIS WAS INCREDIBLE BECAUSE THEY DO THAT. THEY'RE OKAY. AND JUST TO THE, SO IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, JUST TO THE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, THERE'S KIND OF A FLAGPOLE SAND HOLLOW STAND, AND SOMEBODY GOES OUT THERE AND I'M NOT SURE WHO IT WAS. SO, AND SO EVENTS HAS ONE, BUT IT ISN'T, IT'S AN INCREDIBLE SITE. WHEN YOU TURN INTO A DEVELOPMENT, YOU TURN A CORNER AND YOU SEE NOTHING BUT FLAGS FOR AS FAR AS YOU CAN SEE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, IN A COMMUNITY IT'S, IT'S IMPRESSIVE. AND SO I ASKED MYSELF, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY NEAT. I MEAN, WE SHOULD, UM, SOMETHING THAT'D BE REALLY COOL IF WE DID THAT. AND HUBER, I WAS LIKE, WHO DID IT? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. SOME, SOMEBODY JUST CAME BY, UM, AS I WANT TO FLAG IN THE YARD AND, YOU KNOW, UH, KIMRA WOULD FOR 25 BUCKS AND WE GOT FLAT. SO HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO DID IT, BUT I MEAN, IT IS, IT REALLY IS QUITE IMPRESSIVE. IT'S A REALLY, REALLY NEAT SITE TO SEE. AND I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND HUMOR TO GET PEOPLE REALLY INVOLVED, UH, FLAGS EVERYWHERE. I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. I'VE SEEN IT IN ACTION ON A LARGE SCALE AND IT'D TAKE YOUR BREATH AWAY. MY FRIEND'S SUBDIVISION ALSO DOES THIS. SO COULD WE PUT THAT FLYER UP ON OUR CITY WEBPAGE AND LET THE CITIZENS SIGN UP FOR IT? SURE. AND THEY COULD TAKE IT FROM THERE. THEY GET THEIR INFORMATION ON THEIR WEBSITE. I THINK ANYTHING WE COULD DO TO SUPPORT THAT WOULD BE A, WOULD BE ALL IN FAVOR OF, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE THE FLYER. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. YES. DO WARMS OR CERTAIN AREAS. THIS WOULD BE PURELY RAN BY THE ROTARY CLUB ITSELF, THE MEMBERS OF THE ROTARY CLUB. UM, THEY WOULD HAVE FOLKS THAT WOULD BE OUT AND ABOUT DURING THESE HOLIDAYS. AND, AND AGAIN, YOU WOULD SIGN UP FOR AN ANNUAL PERIOD AND THEN THEY WOULD COME OUT ON THOSE PARTICULAR HOLIDAYS. AND, AND LIKE, LIKE THE MAYOR WAS SAYING, THERE WAS, THERE'D BE SOMETHING IN THE GROUND ALREADY SET AND THEY WOULD JUST COME OUT, DROP YOUR FLAG, GO TO THE NEXT PLACE AND SIGNED UP WITH THE PERSON WHO SIGNED UP WOULD HAVE TO DO NOTHING. ALL OF A SUDDEN THE FLAG WOULD POP UP AROUND THAT HOLIDAY TO ALLOW THIS FLAG TO BE PLACED IN THEIR YARD. THAT'S IT? IT WOULD POP UP AT THE ROTARY. DOES IT? YEAH. AND THEN THEY COME PICK IT UP AFTER THE HOLIDAY IS OVER AND THEN COME NEXT HOLIDAY. IT HAPPENS AGAIN. WOW. YEAH. AND I WILL SAY THAT EVEN JUST DOWN SOUTH IN MIDDLETOWN, THEY DO A SIMILAR THING LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY ON MAJOR HOLIDAYS, THEM, THE AVENUE OF FLAGS AND KIND OF TO THE MAYOR'S POINT. I MEAN, YOU'RE JUST DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND SOME OF THEIR MAIN STREETS, UH, THEIR MAIN SUBDIVISIONS. IT'S JUST AMAZING. YEAH. WOW. MR. WEBB, THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCILMAN, CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT TONY GETS A COPY OF THAT? SEND IT OUT TO ALL OF US. YES, INDEED. YEAH. TONY'S GOT COPIES. SO YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO BOARD IT OUT TO EVERYBODY, TONY THAT'D BE APPRECIATED. YEAH. I JUST DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS WHEN YOU FIRSTHAND, YOU EXPLAINED IT. I'M LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. THIS IS GREAT. AND THE OTHER, A OFFICIAL REPORT, JUST COMMENTS BEFORE, BEFORE WE ADJOURN. OKAY. THANKS FOR, I KNOW THIS WAS A LONG ONE. IT IS NINE 17. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE YOUR GREAT DISCUSSION THIS EVENING. I THINK WE DID A LOT TO, TO MOVE US FORWARD. UH, AT NINE 17, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.