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OKAY.

IT'S

[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call:]

SIX O'CLOCK.

SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

THIS IS A SAFE HARBOR HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

TODAY'S AUGUST 18TH, 2020.

IT IS 6:00 PM.

WE'RE GETTING STARTED WITH OUR REMOTE MEETING.

SO AT THIS POINT, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.

AND MR. ROGERS, IF HE WOULD CALL HER UP, PLEASE, MR. SHAW BEAR, MS. BAKER BAKER.

YOU'RE THERE.

SHE JUST CALLED ME AND SO GOOD AND FINISH THE ROLL, TONY.

WE'LL SEE WHAT WE GOT HERE, MR. CAMPBELL HERE.

IT SAYS BERGE.

MR. OTTO HERE, MR. LYONS HERE, MR. HILL HERE, MR. WEB STIR WEB.

YOUR WEB DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE ON AMERICORPS.

OKAY.

SO, UH, CAN YOU JUST MESSAGE AND SAID THAT SHE WAS HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING LOGGED ON? OKAY.

I SEE MR. WEBB.

SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT KATE HAS THE CORRECT LINK.

JUST GIVE HER ANOTHER SECOND HERE FOR, CAN WE HAVE A QUORUM? WE'LL WE'LL GET MOVING.

I CAN RE SEND HER THE LINK IF YOU'D LIKE SOME FEEDBACK FROM SOMEONE THAT MAY BE ME, TONY.

YUP.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL JUST, UH, SO TONY IS GOING TO RESEND THE LINK TO SIGN UP.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED, UM, NOT HOLD UP ANY FURTHER AND WE'LL SEE IF SHE'S ABLE TO.

[2. Approval of Minutes:]

OKAY.

SO ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR, UH, AUGUST THE FOURTH, 2020 MEETING.

SO THAT'S ITEM TWO EIGHT.

UH, THOSE EVENTS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.

ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS NOT MENTAL, SAME AS APPROVED.

WE, THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.

NEXT UP

[ City Manager Report]

IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR WORK, UH, WORK SESSION TOPICS DISCUSSION FOR THIS EVENING.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH ITEM THREE EIGHT, WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT.

ROB, IF YOU WOULD JUST THANK YOU.

UH, JUST FEW THINGS TONIGHT.

UM, THE, UH, CURB PROGRAM THAT'S, UH, UNDERWAY IS A NEAR COMPLETION AND GOING AS SCHEDULED OUR MASS ARM PRO UH, PROJECT AT CHAMBERSBURG IN BRANDT IS GOING TO BE DELAYED ABOUT ANOTHER MONTH.

WE'RE BEING TOLD, AS YOU RECALL, THERE WAS THE COVERT DELAY, UH, TO AUGUST.

UH, NOW IT'S A COVERT DELAY TILL SEPTEMBER.

SO, UH, HOPEFULLY THE SUPPLIER IS ABLE TO GET THOSE, UM, PRODUCED AND SHIPPED OUT AND WE CAN, UM, GET THAT PROJECT WRAPPED UP, UM, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, IT'S LITERALLY READY FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THAT.

SO ONCE THEY ARE IN, UH, THEN THE COMPLETION OF IT SHOULD, UH, SHOULD GO ON.

WE'RE HOPING TO GET A LOT DONE BEFORE THE ASPHALT PLANTS CLOSE THAT'S FOR SURE.

UH, THE NEXT THING THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT WAS A LAMENDOLA AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THERE WITH, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, ALSO WITH PEOPLE

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BREAKING INTO THE BUILDING, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL FIRES THERE.

WE'VE HAD, UM, PEOPLE SQUATTING, ET CETERA.

SO IT'S POSED AS SECURITY RISK.

WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO GET THE BUILDING OWNER TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION AND HAS NOT.

THE BUILDING HAS REMAINED UNDER VIOLATION FOR SOME TIME FOR THOSE THINGS.

UH, IT HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IT WAS, UM, UH, VOTED ON TO BE ABATED.

WE HAVE DONE THAT ABATEMENT THAT A BATEMAN HAS INCLUDED, UH, UH, PERMANENTLY SEALING OFF THE LOWER FLOOR OF THE BUILDING, UH, WITH CAGES AND WIRING, THE PLI, THE PLYWOOD THAT WAS USED IS JUST FEELING, BEING PEELED BACK OR BROKEN THROUGH.

SO NOW IT IS, UM, FORTIFIED.

UM, THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS, IS THE COST.

THE COST WAS NEARLY $12,000 FOR ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE TO THE BUILDING, WHICH WILL BE ASSESSED OF COURSE, UH, AND WILL ALSO BE ACTUALLY ADMINISTRATIVELY BUILT.

AND IF NOT PAID, THEN WE'LL BE ASSESSED.

BUT WHAT THAT HAS DONE IS THAT HAS DEPLETED THE MAJORITY OF OUR ABATEMENT FOR THE YEAR.

SO AS, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL, WE WERE JUST GETTING THE FIGURES TODAY CAUSE THEY JUST COMPLETED THE WORK YESTERDAY.

UM, AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK IS, UH, DURING THE SUPPLEMENTAL DISCUSSION TO INCLUDE FOR MONDAY'S MEETING IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THAT LINE ITEM, AS IT STANDS NOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH, UM, UM, OUT OF THE $15,000 OR $16,000 THAT WAS BUDGETED TO THE CONTRACTOR FOR ABATEMENTS.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT $500 LEFT.

SO IF WE HAD ADDITIONAL TRASH ABATEMENTS OR CLEAN UP A BATEMAN'S THROUGH THE REST OF THE YEAR, UH, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO INCREASE THAT, UH, EXPENDITURE, UH, NOT ONLY TO THAT CONTRACTOR, BUT ALSO NOT LINE ITEMS. SO, UH, WE WILL BE, UH, WE WILL BE ASKING TO DO THAT.

UM, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, AND I'M SURE WE'LL RECOUP THOSE COSTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT FOR NOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURES AT LEAST TO THE VENDOR.

UH, BUT NONETHELESS, IT WAS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO SECURE THAT, UM, UH, REDUCE THE RISK OF SAFETY GOING INTO THE BUILDING SINCE, AS WE INDICATED, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL FIRES THERE AND SEVERAL BREAK-INS AND TRESPASSERS, AND THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP THEM OUT IS TO FORTIFY THE BUILDING.

SO THAT HAS DONE, OR THE NEXT THING WE HAVE, UM, A GRANT OPPORTUNITY FOR LEVEL TWO CHARGING STATIONS.

I KNOW HAVE INFORMED YOU ABOUT THAT BEFORE.

UH, WE'VE HAD SOME STAFF GO AND, UM, AND ATTEND A WORKSHOP CRPC AND AN APPLICATION FOR THE REGION.

HOWEVER, UH, ON TOP OF THAT, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO, UM, CHASE IT INDEPENDENTLY, UM, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE A ADDITIONAL CHANCES AND CHOICES.

SO THE REQUEST FOR A IS FOR PUBLIC PROPERTIES ONLY AT THIS TIME FOR THIS FIRST ROUND REGARDING THE LEVEL TWO CHARGING STATIONS, UH, THE FUNDING IS $7,500 FOR A SINGLE PORT AND 15,000 FOR A DUAL PORT.

UH, AND THERE'S A TOTAL OF 115,000 PER COUNTY.

SOON AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, GOBBLED UP RELATIVELY QUICKLY.

SO WE WANT TO REMAIN AS COMPETITIVE AS WE CAN.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO SEEK, UM, A SEPARATE AS WELL DEADLINE TO SUBMIT SITES IS AUGUST 20TH, WHICH IS THIS THURSDAY AND THE SITES THAT WE'VE CHOSEN, UH, ARE THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, THOMAS CLAUDE PARK, AND, UH, UH, KIND OF ALTERNATIVELY THE WHITE, THE HEIGHTS, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AREAS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTLY OFF OF INTERSTATES, UH, BECAUSE SOME OF THE MAJOR CHARGING GROUPS HAVE PLACED THOSE, BUT THIS IS MORE, UH, WITHIN, UH, TRAVEL AREAS.

AND WE FIGURED A PARK SETTING IS CERTAINLY GOOD.

AND AGAIN, THE CAVEAT IS ONLY PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY, UH, AT THIS TIME FOR THIS APPLICATION.

SO WITH US HAVING CONTROL OF THOSE PROPERTIES, UNLESS ANYBODY HAD ANY DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS, WE FELT THAT THAT WOULD BE THE LIKELIHOOD OF A, THE MOST AMOUNT OF CARS AND, AND USE THERE.

AND B GIVES BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH LOCATION, UH, FOR RESIDENTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT IF WE ARE AWARDED THAT PARTICULAR GRANT.

UH, SO, AND, AND WE CAN ALSO ADDITIONALLY CHOOSE WHETHER WE CHARGE A FEE OR NOT FOR IT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE ELECTRICITY BILL IS GOING TO BE PAID BY SOMEBODY.

SO, UM, UH, IF THERE WAS ANY DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS, IF ANYBODY HAD IN MIND, WE'VE GOT TILL THURSDAY, UH, SO, UH, IF YOU WANNA SHOOT ME AN EMAIL OR YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT NOW THAT'S FINE.

BUT, UH, I'M, I CAN'T REALLY THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE TOO MANY OTHER SPOTS THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT'S PUBLICLY OWNED AND THAT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR A HIGHER AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND EASILY ACCESSIBLE BY THE POTENTIAL ELECTRIC VEHICLE TRAVEL.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD TO SEE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND WE HOPE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO, UH, TO SEIZE IT.

SO WITH THAT, UH, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE FOR THE SAME BIG PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR ANYBODY WANT TO DISCUSS, UH, THE ISSUE HERE ON THE CHARGING STATIONS THAT WE'VE ROBBED TALKED? UH, NANCY.

YES.

UM, ACTUALLY THE QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT THE LAMENDOLA SITE.

UM, ROB, IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH SINCE WE'RE PUTTING MONEY INTO

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IT TO TRY TO GET, UH, KEEP IT SAFE? IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH WE CAN, UH, DECLARE THAT PROPERTY AND NUISANCE? I IMAGINE THAT THERE IS, THIS WOULD CERTAINLY BE A FACTOR TO MAKE THAT DECLARATION, UH, BUT SINCE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME RELATIVE ACTIVE INQUIRIES AND POTENTIAL PURCHASES OF THE CONTRACT OR OF THE PROPERTY OF RECENT, UM, WE'RE REALLY NOT TO THAT POINT TO THAT POINT YET.

UH, WE WERE ABLE TO ABATE THROUGH A NUISANCE ABATEMENT, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, UH, SO TO, UH, UH, TO TAKE THE ENTIRE BUILDING OR PROPERTY, UH, THIS WOULD BE A STEP.

AND IF THERE'S NOTHING DONE WITH THE PROPERTY, I WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, WE CONTINUE TO BE AGGRESSIVE IN THAT APPROACH TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IF THAT IS AN ULTIMATE, UM, I, I GUESS, UH, THINGS WE DO YEAH.

SOLUTION THAT WE DO, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING, BUT, OKAY, THANK YOU.

SURE.

WELL, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A HARD ENOUGH TIME JUST DEALING WITH A BURN DOWN HALF VACANT BUILDING ON A RIP RAP.

UH, THAT'S NEEDED TO BE TORN DOWN NOW FOR, WELL OVER A YEAR, THAT'S STUCK IN THE BUREAUCRACY OF, UH, UM, CIVIL DOCKETS AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

SO I'M CERTAINLY NOT AN EASY OR A QUICK PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.

SO THIS WAS THE MORE IMMEDIATE THING THAT WE CAN AT LEAST IDENTIFY THE, THE IMMEDIATE ISSUE.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, YES.

MR. SURE.

THANK YOU.

UM, ROBERT, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHERE WE'VE STARTED OUR ABATEMENT FUND OUT IN 2020, 16,000 AND WITH THE, UM, THE EBY CHARGING STATION GRANT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES, UM, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

THIS IS A STEP ONE, UM, OF THAT, UH, CHARGING PROCESS.

I KNOW ME AND YOU HAVE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNICATION OVER THE PAST YEAR, UH, WITH DRIVE ELECTRIC DAYTON, AND SEVERAL OTHER ENTITIES ON THE INCREASE OF, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

UM, I KNOW TRIMBLE IS A, IS A HUGE PROPONENT OF THIS AS THEY, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF CHARGING STATIONS AT THEIR FACILITY, UM, WITH THIS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER GRANT APPLICATION PRECEDENT.

I BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE FAST CHARGERS.

UM, AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT, UH, UH, TESLA IS LOOKING AT A COMMUNITY RELATIONS OPPORTUNITY STARTING NEXT YEAR TO KIND OF COINCIDE WITH THAT.

UM, SO I BELIEVE THIS IS KIND OF STEP ONE TO WHAT I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE A LARGER, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IN OUR REGION.

IT'S REALLY JUMP ON THE MAP.

UM, WHAT WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YES, I BELIEVE THE NEXT ROUND AND, AND SCOTT COULD CLARIFY, BUT AGAIN, FROM, FROM ATTENDING THE WORKSHOP, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S PUBLIC SPACES, UH, THE, UH, THE LEVEL TWO CHARGING STATIONS AND THEN THE QUICK CHARGERS AND THEN POSSIBLY OPENING UP TO OTHER THAN PUBLIC SPACES FOR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES IN FUTURE, UH, AND FUTURE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.

WHAT WAS THERE? THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

PERFECT.

UM, AND, UM, ONE LAST QUESTION.

I KNOW THIS WASN'T ADDRESSED DURING THIS PARTICULAR, UM, CITY MANAGER UPDATE, BUT PREVIOUSLY, UM, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH SUEZ ON, UH, UM, REVIEWING OUR, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOME OF OUR RECENT WATER MAIN BREAKS? YEAH, WE'RE STILL, UH, WE'RE STILL UNDERGOING THAT.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A COUPLE MORE, UH, WE'VE GOT A CONSULTANT THAT'S WRITTEN A LETTER AND, UH, WE TALK ABOUT AND MET ABOUT THAT THIS MORNING.

SO WE STILL GOT A FEW MORE ITEMS TO CHECK OFF BEFORE WE'RE READY TO COME BACK WITH ANY IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL, UM, UH, CAUSES.

AND, UH, AS SOON AS WE, AS SOON AS WE HAVE SOMETHING, UM, EITHER CONCLUSIVE OR NOT, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK.

SO WE'RE STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, AND I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A RESPONSE HERE TODAY, BUT I KNOW IT'S BEEN ON MY MIND WITH THE CITY OF DAYTON, HAVING A LOT OF THEIR MAJOR WATER MAIN BREAKS AND HAS CAUSED A LOT OF SERVICE DISRUPTIONS OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF.

I BELIEVE I I'M UP TO MAYBE THREE OR FOUR MAJOR ONES.

UM, AND WE ARE LOOKING TO CONNECT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY USE PIPE TO THE CITY OF DAYTON AND MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REVIEW FROM THE CONSULTANT ON HOW THAT ISSUE COULD AFFECT HUBER HEIGHTS IF WE EVER HAD TO.

UM, I KNOW PREVIOUSLY WE DISCUSSED A LOT OF THE, WHAT IF ISSUES, AND IT SEEMS LIKE OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF CITY OF DAYTON HAS ALMOST CHECKED EVERY ONE OF THOSE, WHAT BOXES.

UM, SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE NEED TO REVISIT AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, RICHARD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR ROB IN THIS

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HEARING? WE

[ 2021 Energy Aggregation Agreement]

WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE, WHICH IS OUR 20, 21 ENERGY AGGREGATION AGREEMENT.

UH, YES, I CAN TAKE THAT ONE.

UH, THIS, THIS IS RESOLUTION WE HAVE HERE IS FOR AS CONCERNING OUR ENERGY AGGREGATION PROGRAM.

UH, WE ARE IN THE FINAL MONTHS OF OUR THREE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH A P ENERGY, WHICH WAS FOR A 5.02 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR FOR ELECTRIC SUPPLY TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.

UM, I HAVE RICH SERVICE FROM ENERGY ALLIANCE HERE WITH US, UH, TONIGHT, SO HE CAN GO OVER THE NEW AGREEMENT FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.

SO RICH, UH, THANK YOU, ROSS.

THANKS EVERYBODY FOR HAVING ME.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'VE BEEN WITH THE CURRENT AGGREGATION AND THEN KIND OF WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD.

AND THEN I KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COUNCIL WAS NOT THERE WHEN WE DID THE FIRST TIME AROUND, SO PLEASE STOP ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR NEED ANY KIND OF, UH, EXPLANATIONS ABOUT THE AGGREGATION PROGRAM.

SO JUST STOP ME AT ANY TIME.

SO, UH, AS RUSS SAID, UH, WE ARE COMING TO THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS OF, OF THE PROGRAM AT 5.02 CENTS.

UH, THROUGH MAY, WE WERE ABLE TO RUN SOME OF THE PERFORMANCE FIGURES, UM, AND I HAVE SHARED THOSE WITH BRAS, UH, OVER THE QUARTERS.

UH, THE, THE RESIDENTS AND SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE SAVED ABOUT $271,000 SINCE DECEMBER OF 2017.

UM, SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, PERFORMED VERY WELL.

IT'S ABOUT A TWO AND A HALF PERCENT SAVINGS COMPARED TO DEEP PNLS RATES.

UM, AND WE, WE AVERAGED ABOUT 50, SORRY, 1770 500 CUSTOMERS A MONTH, UH, ON AVERAGE SHOULD BE IN THAT PROGRAM.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CHURN.

YOU KNOW, WE DO REESE WEEPS UP, PICKS PEOPLE UP, AND THEN AS PEOPLE MOVE OUT, WE SEE ABOUT A ONE OR 2% CHURN PER MONTH, UH, WITH PEOPLE LEAVING THE PROGRAM.

UM, BUT WHAT I HAVE GOING FORWARD AND WENT OUT TO BID, UH, TO MULTIPLE SUPPLIERS AND WE GOT, I GOT ACTUALLY THREE BIDS BACK AND IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT, UH, ADP DID COME BACK, UH, WITH, WITH THE BEST BID.

SO THEY ARE THE, UH, THE INCUMBENT SUPPLIER.

AND, UH, IN MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE STAY WITH THEM BASED ON THE PRICING THAT THEY HAD TO OFFER, AS WELL AS I FEEL THE, THE SERVICES THAT THEY OFFERED AND JUST OVERALL HOW THEY'VE HELPED US RUN THIS PROGRAM.

I THINK IT'S, UH, THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.

UM, I'LL ADMIT THAT OUR HUBRIS WAS THE FIRST PROGRAM WE EVER DID WITH, UM, AP ENERGY.

UM, AND WE'VE ADDED A FEW CENTS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICES THAT THEY'VE HAD THAT THEY'VE BROUGHT IN.

SO, UH, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TODAY, UM, IS TO ALLOW, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW THE RESOLUTION HAS WRITTEN UP TO ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN A DEAL REALLY AT ANY TIME BEFORE THE END OF THE CURRENT PROGRAM, UM, TO, FOR A, FOR A, YOU KNOW, NOT TO EXCEED 4.697 FROM AT LEAST DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR THROUGH DECEMBER OF 2021.

SO THAT'S A 12 MONTH PRODUCT.

SO WE DID THREE YEARS BEFORE, AND I'M SUGGESTING WE DO 12 MONTHS NOW.

SO YOU KNOW, WHY THE TASK WELL, THE MARKET HAS BEEN OKAY, EXTREMELY VOLATILE LATELY.

YOU KNOW, THIS HOT SUMMER HAS, HAS MOVED PRICES A LOT.

UM, WE SENT OUT FORBIDS, UH, SOMETIME IN, I THINK IT WAS MID-JULY EARLY TO MID JULY AND OUR PRICES ARE UP AROUND 4% SINCE THEN.

UM, AND WE, THE MARKET SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT INFLATED RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK WE COULD SEE THINGS COME OFF.

UM, I THINK THOSE THAT ARE ON COUNCIL OR, YOU KNOW, A PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID THIS, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY HAD TO COME BACK A FEW DIFFERENT WEEKS TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS AND LOCK IT IN.

AND WHEN WE CAME BACK THE FIRST TIME, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A PRICE THAT WAS SUB 5 CENTS.

AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY WHEN WE HAD TO COME BACK TWO WEEKS SLATER AND WENT ABOVE 5 CENTS.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BECAUSE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TIME THE MARKET, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND WE DO THIS WITH A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES IS, IS SORT OF SET THE CEILING SO THAT THE COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THERE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO AS FAR AS PRICE, BUT THEN THAT IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO WATCH THE MARKETS WORK WITH THE SUPPLIER.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT YOU TRANSACT WITH IN THIS CASE, THE CITY MANAGER, UH, WHEN WE FEEL THAT THE TIME IS RIGHT.

SO IF WE HAPPEN TO GET LUCKY THAT THE MARKET COMES OFF PRETTY SHARPLY IN THE NEXT WEEK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN I LIKELY TALK TO RUSS AND THE TEAM AND SAY, HEY, I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FEEL IT'S A GOOD TIME TO DO IT.

AND WE LOCK IN A PRICE WITH THE HOPES THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE KNOW IT'D BE LOW ENOUGH, IT'S 600, BUT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY OUR HOPE IS TO BRING YOU GUYS SOMETHING LOWER THAN THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE USE IT, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR THIS SO THAT YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT US ON TO HELP YOU WATCH THE MARKETS AND DENVER THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND NOT HAVE TO TIME IT AROUND A COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH, WHICH CAN OBVIOUSLY LEAVE A LOT OF ROOM FOR VOLATILITY IN THE MARKET.

UM, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHY 12 MONTHS COMPARED TO 36 MONTHS, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF UNKNOWNS IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW.

UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH YOU'VE

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SEEN, UM, IN THE NEWS ABOUT, UH, THINGS WITH ENERGY POLICY IN THIS STATE, THINGS WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, LARRY HOUSEHOLDER WITH, WITH THE FORMER SPEAKER LARRY HOUSE, HER, UM, SO, SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY IN THE STATE OF OHIO WITH WHEN IT COMES TO ENERGY POLICY, UH, EVEN THINGS THAT WHEN WE CAME TO YOU GUYS THREE YEARS AGO, THERE WERE SOME KNOWNS IN THE MARKET THREE YEARS OUT.

AND, AND, AND SOME OF THAT STUFF HAS BEEN DELAYED.

UM, SO I DON'T WANT TO, TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OR THE RESIDENTS OR ANYBODY ELSE TAKE ON RISKS FOR TOO MUCH UNKNOWN.

I MEAN, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE OUR BEST GUESTS ON SOME AND THEN FEEL COMFORTABLE WHERE WE DO AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT THAT 12 MONTHS.

BUT I'D LIKE FOR THE MARKET TO KIND OF SORT SOME THINGS OUT, I LIKE FOR SOME POLICY THINGS AND SOME REGULATORY THINGS TO SHAPE UP A LITTLE BIT BEFORE EXTENDING THAT ON.

SO IT'S WHY I'M SAYING 12 MONTHS, BECAUSE I THINK AS FAR AS A PRICE, THAT WAS KIND OF A NICE SWEET SPOT AND THEN LET, LET'S NOT TAKE ON TOO MUCH UNKNOWN RISK, UM, WHETHER IT BE PRICE OR POLICY, UM, FOR THE CITY AND FOR ITS RESIDENTS.

THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT AS FAR AS AT A, AT A HIGH LEVEL.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEP.

SO NUMBER ONE, I THINK THANKS FOR, FOR COMING IN AND BRINGING THIS TO US.

SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT, TIME, MONEY, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT TO ANYTHING ELSE? SO EASY THINGS ARE GOING TO SEE YOUR HAND.

YES, STACY, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

OKAY.

I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO A 12 MONTH CONTRACT.

UM, AND, AND KNOWING THAT, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE BIT, I WATCHED THE RATES VERY CLOSELY AND, UH, IF I WERE TO GO ON TO P UCO TODAY AND LOOK AT THE RATES FOR EVEN AEC P THEY'RE LOWER THAN, THAN WHAT YOU HAVE QUOTED US.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GET THAT RATE FOR 12 MONTHS, UH, WITH NO CANCELLATION, NO FEES, ANYTHING ELSE.

SO I'M KINDA CURIOUS, UM, PROBABLY FOR THE LAST 10 MONTHS, WE'VE BEEN LOWER THE RATE OUT THERE, THE CHEAPEST RATE HAS BEEN LOWER THAN WHAT YOU'RE QUOTING US.

SO, UM, I'M, I'M KIND OF INTERESTED, UM, NUMBER ONE ON THE 4.69, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S PROBABLY AN AGGREGATE, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE.

UM, BUT SINCE, SINCE THE RATES ARE GOING DOWN AND ACTUALLY MY RATE RIGHT NOW IS POINT ARE 3.99.

UM, I GUESS I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY IT'S 4.69.

YEAH, SURE.

IT'S A, THAT'S A FANTASTIC QUESTION.

UM, SO AS YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THE PRICING IS THE AGGREGATE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE THE LOAD SHAPE OF EVERY ACCOUNT IN THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COME UP WITH A FORECAST, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WHY IS THAT RIGHT THERE? AND THEN WHAT'S OUT THERE ON THE PUCO APPLES TO APPLES.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE GOING TO BE LOWER RATES.

I MEAN, IN THOSE A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCES, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE RATES WOULD START TODAY.

AND I GUESS I'LL EVEN TAKE ONE FURTHER STEP BACK, UH, JUST LIKE THE CURRENT PROGRAM, AS WELL AS THE FUTURE PROGRAM.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NO TERMINATION FEES, RIGHT? THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN COME AND GO AS THEY WANT.

SO IF THEY WANT TO SHOP ON THE WEBSITE, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD DO THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHETHER THEY TAKE THE AGGREGATION OFFER OR A SHOP ON THEIR OWN, EVERYBODY SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE ACCEPTING.

SO THE LOWER PRICE IS THERE, SOME OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, THOSE START NOW.

SO THERE ARE SOME, AGAIN, KIND OF THE SHAPE, LIKE I'VE SAID THERE, WE DO SEE PRICE IS SORT OF INCREASING.

SO IF YOU'RE ON THAT WEBSITE AND YOU LOOK AT THINGS SAY, WELL, UNDER THE NEGATIVE FIRST 12 MONTHS, SAY ZERO TO 12 MONTHS, AND THEN YOU LOOK FOR 12 TO 24, YOU'LL SEE THE PRICE HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN A BIG JUMP UP.

SO, SO WE'RE SORT OF AVERAGING THAT IN, BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T START TILL DECEMBER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT, THAT BLENDING OF, UH, PRICES.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I WILL SAY ABOUT THE EVAPORATE, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST LIKE WHEN YOU DO ANYTHING, RIGHT, LIKE YOU COULD BUY GAS, YOU COULD ALWAYS FIND A CHEAPER ACROSS THE STREET AND PEOPLE WANTED TO SHOP, THEY CAN, BUT, BUT THE NUMBERS SHOW THAT LESS THAN 25% OF PEOPLE ACCEPT OFFERS FROM A RETAIL SUPPLIER ON THEIR OWN.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SWITCHED IN THE STATE OR HAVE DONE THAT THROUGH AGGREGATION.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD TELL EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, HEY, THERE'S, THERE'S THIS PRICE THAT, ON THAT APPLES TO APPLES AND THE NUMBERS SHOW THAT KNOW, WE'LL EVEN SAY, WE'LL BUMP IT UP, BUT LESS THAN 30%, WE'LL ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW? SO THE IDEA ABOUT THE AGGREGATION IS TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THEM, YOU KNOW, A FAIR PRICE, RIGHT.

WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED COME AND GO, AS THEY WANT, IF THEY WANT TO SHOP, THEY COULD DO THAT.

UM, YOU

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KNOW, I THINK A BIG THING THAT WE SEE WITH A LOT OF TIMES IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL SIGN UP FOR THOSE PROGRAMS AND THEY FORGET, RIGHT? NO, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET A LETTER IN THE MAIL, BUT WE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THIS, THIS SUMMER WHO WERE SEEING PRICES 7 CENTS, 8 CENTS, 9 CENTS.

I MEAN, I TALKED TO SOMEBODY DOWN YET, SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN, WE'RE JUST OUTSIDE OF CINCINNATI.

I TALKED TO SOMEBODY WHO WAS 13 CENTS.

SO, SO, SO THE PROTECTION AT THE AGGREGATION GIVES YOU THAT SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS DON'T IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DILIGENT ON THOSE.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WHEN YOUR CONTRACT COMES TO IT, BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRICE IS GOING TO BE.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEND THE TIME TO SHOP AND GO THROUGH AND YOU DON'T CHASE AND CHASE THOSE PRIZES.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE MAKE THE PROGRAM EASY TO GO DO THAT FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO SPEND THE TIME TO DO THAT.

SO AGAIN, THE AGGREGATION PROGRAM IS SUPPOSED TO BE EASY.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO OFFER PROTECTIONS THAT PRICE IS JUST, ARE NOT GONNA SKYROCKET AT THE END OF THE PROGRAM.

UM, AND IT'S ALSO WHY I'M KIND OF GOING A LITTLE BIT SHORTER TERM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT LOOKING AT, AT THIS POINT, I THINK LOCKING INTO A MUCH LONGER TERM RATE, YOU KNOW, WE, THOSE UNKNOWNS, I THINK WE CAN MISS.

AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WERE ON A RISK WITH THE RESIDENTS OF KIND OF PUTTING THEM INTO TOO LONG OF A DEAL THAT MAY NOT.

UM, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE, AGAIN, IT'S ANYWHERE ELSE, THE MINUTE WE SIGNED THIS DEAL, IT COULD BE THE BEST PRICE.

YOU'LL FIND SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE APPLES TO APPLES CHEAPER, BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEM HAVE TERMINATION FEES.

A LOT OF THEM WILL HAVE THAT LITTLE THING THAT SAYS INTRODUCTORY PRICE.

YOU KNOW, FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, A LOT OF THEM ARE VERY SHORT TERM.

THEY S YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OFFERING SUB 4 CENTS, BUT IT'S A THREE MONTH DEAL.

THE SIX MONTH DEAL.

AGAIN, THOSE DEALS ARE GREAT.

IF PEOPLE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GO OUT THERE AND DO THE PROCESS EVERY YEAR, THREE TO SIX MONTHS, UM, AND THAT OPTIONS THERE, BUT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE AGGRAVATION PROGRAM.

YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS HAVE TO CONSTANTLY KIND OF CHASE THAT WE WANT TO OFFER A, A STEADY AND FAIR RATE FOR SOMEBODY TO TAKE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR A FAIR LENGTH OF TIME AND BECAUSE I'M OFFERING, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M SAYING, I THINK WE SHOULD DO 12 MONTHS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A VERY SIMILAR MEETING ABOUT 12 MONTHS FROM NOW TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO, UH, AFTER DECEMBER OF 2021.

THANK YOU, RICHARD.

I SEE YOUR HAND.

DOES THAT FOR, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION, OR DID YOU NOT TAKE IT DOWN FROM THE LAST DISCUSSION? UH, NO.

UH, NO, MARY, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, RICH, I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR INPUT.

UM, I KNOW I'VE SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE REGARDING A HOUSE, BILL SIX, UH, AND IT'S POSSIBLE A REPEAL.

UM, I KNOW THE GOVERNOR HAS KIND OF TIPTOED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE POLICY AND SOME CHANGES THAT WOULD BE MADE IN THERE IN YOUR OPINION.

UM, HOW WOULD THE REPEAL OF HOUSE BILL SIX AND ANY CHANGES AFFECT THE AGGREGATION ITSELF OR THE ENERGY CONSUMPTION THROUGHOUT THE STATE? WELL, I THINK, I THINK IN THE SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY REALLY IMPACTS, RIGHT? IF THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CONTINUE TO GO DOWN THE PATH THAT THEY'RE GOING, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL LIKELY GET CAUGHT IN THE COURTS FOR A LONG TIME.

RIGHT? THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE RETAIL SUPPLIERS, LIKE AN AP ENERGY, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR KIND OF COMPANY LIKE THAT WITH, WITH ENERGY HARBOR'S NAME IN IT, THEN YOU HAVE A FIRST ENERGIES, FIRST ENERGY, THE APPARENT UTILITY, YOU KNOW, HIS NAME.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I THINK IF ANYTHING, THIS, THIS WORKS WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR THE AGGREGATION PROGRAM AND FOR DEREGULATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S SAYING THAT THERE WERE THINGS IN THE MARKET THAT WERE DOING THINGS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY, AND NOT THE RIGHT WAY, RIGHT.

TO, TO POTENTIALLY SUBSIDIZE NOT ECONOMIC GENERATION.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS HURTING AND, UH, MAKING THEM STEP BACK ON SOME POLICIES THEY HAD FOR RENEWABLE AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

SO I THINK REALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS IF IT PLAYS OUT THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SEEMS THAT IT IS, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR THE STATE.

CAUSE I THINK IT BRINGS IT MORE TOWARDS LIKE AN OPEN MARKET, RIGHT? THE MARKET WILL DECIDE WHAT THE PRICES SHOULD BE, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT SUBSIDIES OR, OR POLICY THAT WE KNOW WAS PUT IN PLACE, UM, IN A MAYBE NOT FAIR MANNER.

UM, BUT ESPECIALLY IN THE SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, 12 MONTHS OUT FOR THIS ONE, I DON'T SEE ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS AT ALL BECAUSE IT'LL BE, I THINK YOU'LL SPEND A LOT MORE TIME IN THE COURTROOM, UH, SORTING THOSE THINGS OUT.

SO YOUR SUGGESTION, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M COMPLETELY CLEAR IS WE'D GO AHEAD WITH THIS 12 MONTH, UM, UH, PROPOSAL.

UM, AND WE AWAIT TO SEE WHAT, UH, THE LEGISLATURE BRINGS BACK WITH A REPEAL AND REPLACEMENT OF HOUSE BILL SIX.

YEAH.

AND I THINK, AND THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT.

LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT SORT OF GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S LET THIS PLAY OUT.

AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF REVISIT THIS A YEAR FROM NOW AND JUST SEE WHERE PRICES ARE.

I MEAN, CAUSE THE P AND L WOULD HAVE REFRESHED THEIR PRICES AT THAT POINT.

WE'RE HOPING THAT THE CAPACITY MARKET THAT TYPICALLY RUNS, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR FOR THREE YEARS OUT, UH, WE'RE RUN

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THEY'RE ABOUT A YEAR BEHIND.

SO THAT'S ABOUT MAKES UP OF ROUGHLY 20 TO 25% OF YOUR BILL IS THAT PART.

AND USUALLY WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW GOING MORE THAN TWO YEARS OUT.

SO, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THAT, BETWEEN HOUSE BILL SIX AND WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN WITH THAT, UH, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE SOME THINGS SHAKE OUT THAN TO, TO, TO HAVE YOU GUYS, UH, AGREE TO A DEAL JUST TO AGREE TO A DEAL.

THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE.

EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW MR. BIRCHER COMMENTS.

ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL LINES? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, RICH, THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, ONE OF THE POINTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT WITH THE ENERGY AGGREGATION PROGRAM, EVEN THOUGH, UM, IT'S REALLY A HELPFUL, UH, SAFETY FOR OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S ALSO A BULK RATE PURCHASING.

SO I WOULDN'T EXPECT, UH, ONE OF THE BETTER PRICES COMING IN.

HANG ON.

JUST SAY, YEAH, I WOULD EXPECT ONE OF THE BETTER PRICES COMING IN, UH, FOR THIS NIGHT.

I REMEMBER YOU SPEAKING, UH, ABOUT THE COST, UH, TRANSFERS AND A LITTLE BIT MORE INTRODUCTORY RATES AND ALL OF THAT MAKES SENSE.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM, UH, GIVES THE AUTHORITY TO THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THIS AGREEMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S WHAT WE PROPOSED AND NOT TO EXCEED THAT PRICE.

OKAY.

SO MY LAST QUESTION MAYOR WILL BE FOR ROB, UH, ROB, UH, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? CAUSE THAT PUTS A GOOD DEAL OF RESPONSIBILITY ON YOU AND STAFF.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE ON? YEAH.

WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS EITHER WAITING TO GET A PRICE TO COME BACK TO HAVE YOU LEGISLATE AN, AN AUTHORIZED THAT PRICE.

WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE AUTHORIZING A PRICE TONIGHT OR BETTER.

SO AT WHATEVER TIME WE ARE READY TO DO IT, YOU'RE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER AGREEMENT YOU'RE AUTHORIZING US TO DO IT.

AND WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT, WE WILL DO IT.

A WORST CASE SCENARIO IS 4.69, UH, AND YOU'RE BASICALLY LEGISLATING AND IMPROVING THAT AGREEMENT, UH, AND US TO EXECUTE THAT AT THE RIGHT TIME, THE GOAL WOULD BE BETTER.

UH, AND RICH AGAIN FEELS PRETTY CONFIDENT.

UM, AND, AND I HAVE NO ISSUES.

I THINK THAT THE, UH, THE PROCESS IS THE SAME.

WE DID LAST TIME.

WE'RE JUST GETTING AHEAD OF IT SO THAT IF WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOCK IN SOMETHING MAY BE SUB FOR, UH, WE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AND MAKE THAT DECISION.

SO COUNCIL'S DECISION IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY BEING 4.6, NINE OR LOWER.

AND IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH IT, THEN I AM TOO.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, ROB.

THAT HELPS QUITE A BIT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

IT THINKS THERE'S YOUR LINES AND MR. WEBB, THANK YOU, MIRA.

HERE'S COURAGE.

UM, YOU MENTIONED THE SAVINGS THAT RESIDENTS IN THE BUSINESSES MADE THROUGH THE CURRENT PROGRAM.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT TOTAL PERCENTAGE OF HOUSEHOLDS HAVE OPTED OUT? COUNCILMAN, BERGES DONE CHOSEN A SUPPLY ROOM.

UM, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT OFFHAND.

UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN GET.

UM, I'LL GET THAT TO RUSS AND RUSS, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF JENNA, BUT I COULD TALK WITH AEP.

SO WOULD THEY HAVE THE, ALL THE NUMBERS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE INITIALLY ELIGIBLE AND THEN HOW MANY PEOPLE OPTED OUT AND KIND OF, THEY, THEY CALL IT THE WATERFALL.

I KNOW I WILL GET THE LATEST ONE FOR YOU.

OKAY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM MRS. BURCH.

SO THE QUESTION, UH, YEAH, JUST SO, UM, I WANT TO FOLLOW UP, UH, MR. WEBB'S COMMENT.

UH, JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS I WAS IN THE AGGREGATE FOR THE FIRST 10 YEARS AND, AND BECAUSE THE RATES FELL, UH, QUITE A BIT, THEN THAT'S WHAT I GOT OUT, BUT THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF OUR SYSTEM.

AND SO IF, IF IT TURNED THE OTHER WAY, THEN HAVE IT JUST GET RIGHT BACK IN.

SO, YEAH.

THANKS MS. BERG, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR RABO ORIGINAL RUSS REGARDING DISAGREEMENT? YES.

PATRICIA, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, UM, SECTION ONE OF THE RESOLUTION, UM, THE LAST SENTENCE IN THE RESOLUTION READS, UH, TO EXTRICATE SUBSEQUENT AGREEMENTS AS NEEDED WITH REGARD TO REDUCING ENERGY, OR I'M SORRY, ELECTRIC COST.

UM, IS THAT JUST REFERENCING THIS PARTICULAR 12 MONTH AGREEMENT? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SUBSEQUENT AGREEMENTS THEREAFTER? CAUSE THAT

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KIND OF SOUNDS KIND OF GREAT TO ME.

THE INTENT IS REALLY FOR JUST THIS 12, RIGHT? WE WOULD COME BACK AND IT WOULD HAVE TO DO THIS ALL AGAIN BECAUSE JUST AS THE DATES AT THE TOP, SAY YOU'RE ONLY AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE IT FOR A PRICE THAT PRICE THROUGH A SET TERM.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND EVEN SORT OF PIGGYBACK ON THAT TOO, BECAUSE THE NEXT AGREEMENT GOES TO THAT TERM.

I'VE, I'VE ALREADY STARTED TO TALK WITH, UH, APD SINCE WHETHER WE'D USE SOME SORT OF BLEND AND EXTEND, LIKE, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO START THE NEW PRICE SOONER, YOU KNOW, BLENDING IN WITH THE PRICE, WE HAVE SOME C YOU KNOW, START TO LOWER PRICES.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING I'M, I'M WORKING WITH THEM ALREADY, BUT THAT IS FOR A SET TERM, NOT BEYOND THAT.

AND RICHARD, I GUESS VICE VERSA.

UM, LET'S SAY WE ENTER INTO THIS PRICE OF 4.69.

UM, AND LET'S SAY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BLEND IT AND STARTED, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, UM, HOUSE BILL SIX OR, UH, A SUBSEQUENT ENERGY BILL GETS PASSED, LET'S SAY MARCH OF NEXT YEAR, AND THERE'S DRASTIC REDUCTIONS, UH, WITHIN THE MARKET.

UM, THEN WE, WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE LEFT OUR RESIDENTS OUT, YOU KNOW, PAYING A HIGHER PRICE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

WHAT RAMIFICATIONS DO WE HAVE THERE WITH THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT? TH THAT, THAT IS ONE NICE THING.

I MEAN, SO SOMETIMES A 12 MONTH TERM CAN BE TOO SHORT, RIGHT? BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THE REASON YOU WANT TO GO TWO OR THREE YEARS LIKE WE DID IS BECAUSE WE KNEW THE MARKET THIS FAR OUT WAS LOWER.

SO WE WERE GIVING THE RESIDENTS CHEAPER PRICES THREE YEARS AGO FROM WHAT WE SAW IN THE MARKET, YOU KNOW, FOR THREE YEARS OUT LIKE THAT CAPACITY AND SOME OTHER THINGS.

SO, SO THE REALLY NICE THING ABOUT THE 12 YEAR, THE 12 MONTH IS THAT A SAFE THINGS DO DECLINE FOR SOME REASON, WHETHER IT BE REGULATORY OR JUST SAY THE MARKET COLLAPSES, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER COVID SITUATION, BUT THE MARKET KNOW WE'RE UP ALMOST 10% SINCE THEN, BUT SAY COLLAPSES BECAUSE WE HAVE A SHORT TERM TO BLEND IN, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LONGER.

IT MAKES IT PRETTY NICE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BLEND THEM, YOU KNOW, SAY A HIGHER PRICE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME WITHIN A, YOU KNOW, A LOW PRICE.

IF WE ADD AS MANY MONTHS AS WE CAN OFF THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STARTING TO AVERAGE IN YOU HOPE LOWER NUMBERS.

SO THAT SORT OF DRIVE THAT THING LOWER.

SO YES, WITH US HAVING A 12 MONTH PROGRAM, I THINK IT GIVES US A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY TO WORK WITH AEP, UM, TO, TO OFFER A BLEND AND EXTEND AS SOON AS SOME OF THESE POLICY THINGS, UH, IT COULD BE SMALL TO BIG START TO PLAY OUT.

AND IF WE FEEL IT'S IN THE RIGHT SITUATION, UM, THEY'VE BEEN BEING ANOTHER REASON WHY I'M, I I'M, I'M SUGGESTING AP IS THAT THEY'VE BEEN FANTASTIC WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES, VERY RECEPTIVE TO THINGS LIKE BLENDING EXTENDS, UH, TO, TO WORK WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES.

SO I THINK, AGAIN, THAT, THAT SETS UP VERY WELL FOR US TO CONTINUE TO WATCH THE MARKET.

AND IF SOMETHING CHANGES SAY EARLY TO MID NEXT YEAR, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING TO THEM AND SAYING, HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO? HOW DO WE START BLENDING IN THOSE LOWER PRICES? YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU.

ONE OF MY LAST, I GUESS, KIND OF QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS, AND ROB THIS MAY MAYBE TO YOU AS WELL.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UM, UH, THE NOTIFICATION TO OUR RESIDENTS, I KNOW PREVIOUSLY WE DID A WHOLE FORM LETTER OF ADVERTISING ON HOW THAT, UM, ARE WE GOING TO USE THAT SAME LETTER WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY ALTERATIONS? UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW AHEAD OF TIME? SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

YES.

WE'LL, WE'LL BASICALLY USE THE SAME, UH, SOURCE.

I IMAGINE THAT IT WOULD, UH, HAVE ANOTHER SOLICITATION, UH, WHICH WILL BE PART OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS TO EDUCATE AND INFORM PEOPLE AS FAR AS HAVING LETTER TO REVIEW.

WE, WE CHECK ON THAT INTERNALLY.

UH, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A, A PROCESS THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO CHECK OFF ON, BUT NORMALLY WE WOULDN'T DO THAT.

WE WOULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT GENERALLY THAT IT'S GOT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE, UH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF, THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEFORE IT GOES OUT, BUT WE ALWAYS DO.

UM, RICH HAS BEEN GOOD ABOUT SENDING THAT LETTER.

UM, I KNOW RUSS HAS MADE SOME AMENDMENT, I HAVE TO DO SOME PREVIOUS LETTERS AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT INFORMATION IS OUT IN WORD CORRECTLY AND EVEN BRANDED CORRECTLY, UH, BEFORE IT GETS OUT.

SO, NO, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE FIRST LETTER, UM, THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WE DID AND MOVING THAT FORWARD.

UM, I, I PERSONALLY DON'T NEED TO REVIEW IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COPY OF ONE BEFORE IT DOES GO OUT WITH THIS NEW, UM, UH, MARKETING.

AND IF WE COULD HAVE THOSE DATES AS WELL, JUST IN CASE RESIDENTS HIT US DIRECTLY WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS SAYS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, UH, WE CAN ANSWER THAT AND ALSO DIRECT THEM TO OUR CITY WEBSITE AS WELL.

YEAH, WE WILL.

WE'LL MAKE SURE TO GET THE NOTICE POSTED OUT AS WELL BEFORE PEOPLE START RECEIVING IT IN THE MAIL, UH, SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS IF THEY ARE CHECKING OUR WEBSITE OR SOCIAL MEDIA.

SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE GET SARAH TO HELP COORDINATE THAT AS WELL.

EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU.

AND JUST FOR TIMELINE WITH THAT, I MEAN, LETTERS, ASSUMING IT'S A DECEMBER START, WE DON'T BLEND

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IT IN ANYTIME SOONER, LET US GO OUT TO RESIDENT AND SOMETIMES STARTING IN MID OCTOBER.

SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE DAY OR THE DAY AFTER AN AGREEMENT IS SIGNED, I'LL HAVE A FORMAL LETTER TO GIVE TO, YOU KNOW, TERROR, TO ROSS AND TO ROB AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEND TO RESIDENTS.

IT'S LIKELY GOING TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME ONE SINCE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN AND I'LL HAVE ALL THE DATES FORMED IN AND THAT'S WHEN I CAN TELL THEM EXACTLY WHEN THE OP THAT WILL BE A MORE FORMAL FORM OF ALL THAT STUFF THAT WE'RE ABOUT TWO MONTHS AWAY LETTERS EVEN HAVING TO GO OUT.

AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE SOME TIME TO KIND OF WATCH THE MARKET AND GET THAT DONE.

SURE, SURE.

I SEE YOUR HAND.

IS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION OR YOU JUST DON'T TAKE IT DOWN FROM PREVIOUSLY.

OH, THERE WE GO.

SORRY.

GOOD.

WELL, MR. WEBB.

OKAY, WELL, WE WILL MOVE ON TO, WELL BEFORE THAT THE OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS LEGISLATION ON MONDAY TO EXCEED RATE OF 4.69 CENTS.

BUT HOPEFULLY THAT KAREN OBJECTIONS THAT ON TWO UNTIL MONDAY.

THANKS, RICH.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

TAKE CARE OF ROLLING.

[ Installation of Bus Shelters - Award Contract]

NEXT UP IS THREE C, WHICH IS THE INSTALLATION OF BUS SHELTERS.

OKAY.

YEAH.

AND WHAT THIS IS, IS A LEGISLATION IS TO APPROVE A CONTRACT WITH LJ .

UM, THIS IS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF NINE BUS SHELTERS AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN THE CITY.

UM, THEY WERE THE LOWEST AND BEST FITTER FOR THE PROJECT.

UM, IN YOUR PACKET, IT SHOWS THE THREE BITTERS THAT WERE, UM, INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT AND, UH, UH, LJ JULIUS WAS THAT 128,330.

THE OTHER TWO WERE W NEXT ONE WAS ONE 45,000 AND THE OTHER ONE WAS 215,000.

MMM.

DO WE S LET'S SEE, I'M SORRY.

THE ESTIMATE I HAD ORIGINALLY WAS 141,728, COME IN.

GOOD.

UM, WE HAVE A, NOT TO EXCEED THEM 145,000 WITH HIS LEGISLATION MESSES TO COVER ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGE ORDERS WE MAY HAVE, OR WE MAY HAVE TO, UH, CHANGE OR REVISE SOME SIDEWALK WHEN WE PUT SOME OF THE SHELTERS IN.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL IS FOR.

UM, RTA WILL COVER PERCENT OF THIS PROJECT, UH, AS A REIMBURSABLE COSTS.

AND, UH, THEY DID HAVE 200 CALENDAR DAYS FROM COMPLETION FOR THIS.

UH, THE REASON FOR THAT BEING SO LONG IS THERE IS A THREE TO FOUR MONTHS, UH, LEAD TIME TO ORDER THE SHELTERS AND HAVE THEM DELIVERED.

SO LOT OF TIMES THEY WORK ON THE SLABS AND STUFF AHEAD OF TIME, AND THEN THEY WAIT FOR THE SHELTERS TO COME IN AND I DON'T PUT THEM