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DAM SAFETY

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IS AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

ALRIGHT.

[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road July 14, 2020 6:00 P.M. ]

MS. THOMAS, MS. VARGO.

MS. HERE, MR. JEFFREY'S HERE.

MR. WALTON HERE I HAVE WORKDAY LEARNING WITNESSES, SPEED, OR GIVE TESTIMONY OR YOU ALREADY .

SO I ASK EVERYONE TO WRITE, OR I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T WANT TO STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT SPOT YOUR LIFE WHERE GOD FIRST .

THANK YOU.

I'M GOING TO SEE IF THIS WORKS CORRECTLY.

DO YOU SEE THE SIGNED PLANS ON THE SCREEN? YES, SIR.

OKAY, GREAT.

ALRIGHT.

A BIG SANDY SUPERSTORE.

THEY CAME THROUGH FOR A, UH, A MAJOR CHANGE THAT CAME FOR PLANNING COMMISSION AND CAME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND, UH, RECEIVED THEIR APPROVALS, UH, JUST NOT TOO LONG AGO.

AND THEY ARE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE QUITE READY AT THE TIME WAS THEIR SIGNAGE PACKAGE.

SO THEY DECIDED TO WAIT AND COME BACK PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A MINOR CHANGE THAT, UH, SUBMISSION HAS BEEN, UH, UH, PROVIDED TO YOU.

AND, UH, ALSO, UH, SHOWING THAT IT'S ON THE SCREEN, UM, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THREE TOLD SIGNS OR SIGN AREAS, TWO WALL SIGNS AND ONE GROUND SIGN.

SO THE TWO OF THE WALL SIGNS ON THE FRONT AND THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, THE PART THAT SAYS BIG SANDY SUPERSTORE, THEY'RE LOOKING TO HAVE THOSE AS EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE AND COLOR SCHEME AND A, UH, FONT, WHICH, UH, THAT, UM, HAS A, UM, 1241 AND A HALF INCHES IN HEIGHT, UH, BY 23 FEET, SIX INCHES IN WIDTH, THAT AREA IS 305 SQUARE FEET ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

THEY WOULD ALSO LIKE THE SIGNAGE THAT SAYS FURNITURE AND MATTRESSES, HDTV AND APPLIANCES.

SO THAT SECONDARY SIGNAGE WOULD ONLY BE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, NOT ON THE WEST, ELEVATION THAT SIGN IT SECONDARY SIGNAGE, UH, IS ABOUT, UH, 43 SQUARE FEET.

SO THE, UH, THE OTHER SIGNAGE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO TAKE THE EXISTING SIGN THAT'S OUT FRONT AND JUST BASICALLY REWRAP IT TO RE RE DO IT.

THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE SAME SIZE THAT IS OUT THERE CURRENTLY, JUST A, THE BASE OF IT.

THEY LIKE TO WRAP WITH MATERIALS THAT MATCH THE BUILDING AND THEN HAVE THE SIGN ITSELF, WHICH IS, UM, A, UH, NINE FEET AT THE TOTAL OF, UH, NINE FEET TALL BY 10 FEET WIDE.

THAT'S JUST THE SCIENCE ITSELF, UH, FOR 180 SQUARE FEET OR TWO SIDES THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING SIZE.

THIS IS BOTH OF THESE, SOME OF THESE ARE LARGER THAN OUR STANDARD CODE.

UM, BUT THEY, UH, UM, THE BUILDING SITS BACK A LITTLE FURTHER FROM THE STREET WHENEVER Y'ALL ARE ASKING FOR, UH, JUST TO BASICALLY RE REALIZE, UH, SOME OF THE FRAMEWORK OF THE EXISTING SIDE, UM, AND, UH, BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT, UM, IT IS INTERNALLY LIT ON EACH OF THESE SIGNS.

AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE, UH, THE APPLICANT WAS INVITED TO THIS, UH, UM, REMOTE MEETING,

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BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM SHOW UP SO I CAN ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, BUT IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE.

YES, I DO.

UM, ALONG THAT ROAD, I TRAVEL THAT ROAD FREQUENTLY.

ALONG THAT ROAD, THERE ARE TWO MORE, THREE MORE SIGNS FURTHER WEST OF THAT AT THIS TIME, AND THEY ARE, UM, STANDARD OF WHAT WE NORMALLY DO, WHICH IS WHAT IS IT, SIX FOOT HIGH.

UM, OKAY.

AND THIS ONE IS CONSIDERABLY HIGHER.

AND, UH, I, I JUST KIND OF WONDER WHY WE'RE NOT ENCOURAGING TO GO THAT DIRECTION WITH, UM, UH, MORE OF A CONDUCIVE TIME, YOU KNOW, THAT THE SIGHT LINE OF THE CAR TO BE CONSIST.

SURE.

UM, THEIR REQUEST WAS JUST TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

THAT'S A PART OF THAT REASONING.

UM, AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO, UH, UM, RE REQUIRE THEM TO MODIFY THAT TO SOMETHING, UH, TO A TOTALLY NEW STRUCTURE OF A SIX FOOT SIZE, 75 SQUARE FOOT, TOTAL, UH, THAT MEETS THE CODE OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN.

I KNOW THAT WE'RE, UM, STARBUCKS, WE DID NOT GO WITH THE EXISTING SIGN THAT THE CADILLAC JACK HAD.

AND, UM, I DID, I PERSONALLY THINK IT WOULD LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO HAVE THE, ALL THE FOUR SIGNS TO BE THEIR SPORTS SIGNS, TOTAL, TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN LINE WITH EACH OTHER.

I AGREE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE LOOKING AT REPLACING THE EXISTING GROUND SIGNS.

SO THEY'RE BASICALLY LOOKING TO BE APPROVED TO TEAR DOWN THE PLACE, THE CABINET THAT'S UP THERE.

AND THE SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING ITSELF IS FOUR TIMES, OUR GENERAL FOUR TIMES OUR STANDARD OVER FOUR TIMES THE STANDARD ON THE BUILDING, AND THREE TIMES A SUSTAINER ON THE CARNIVAL, I'M KIND OF CONFLICTED, JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, I MEAN, WE DID ALL THAT WORK ON UPDATING THE SIGN CODE WITH FIXTURES, PROPORTIONATELY, IT LOOKS GOOD.

IT DOESN'T LOOK ABSURD.

AND I KNOW WHERE THE MAIN, LIKE BIG SANDY, THEY WANT THAT BIG SIGN.

I'M SURE THE BIG NAMES TO THAT'S PART OF THE BRANDING THEN BY SOME OF THE STORES, THE MALL.

BUT WHEN WE SAID IN OUR MEETING, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE LAST MEETING, EVEN IN OUR NOTES, WE HAVE OUR STANDARD GROUND SIGNAGE AND BALSAMIC, 75 SQUARE FOOT, 150 SQUARE FOOT TOTAL, THEY'RE ASKING FOR 653 SQUARE FOOT OF ALL SIGNAGE, WHICH HAS OVER FOUR TIMES THE ALLOWABLE, NOT SAYING I'M NOT OPEN TO ANYTHING.

IT JUST WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME, I GUESS, SOME RATIONALE OR SOME STAFF INPUT, OR EVEN IF WE UNDID THIS OFF TO LET COUNCIL WE'VE BEEN DECISIONS.

I AGREE WITH ON THE IDEA OF THE SIX FOOT SIGN OUT FRONT.

AND WE DID SAY NO TO STARBUCKS WHEN THERE WAS A CABINET RIGHT THERE FOR THEM TO DO THE SAME REQUEST, THE PURPOSE OF SIGN THAT WAS ALREADY UP THERE.

AND WE DID ASK THEM TO DO A SIX BULLETS.

SO I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SIGN CODE, YOU SHOULDN'T JUST GO AND BREAK IT.

EVERY SUNDAY WE TURNED AROUND AND I DO THINK STARTING RIGHT AFTER YOU'RE JUST A VIDEO, IT WAS STARBUCKS.

IT WOULDN'T LOOK THE BEST TO SAY, SORRY, I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS, BUT YESTERDAY YOU GUYS, WELL, JUST A COMMENT ABOUT WHAT YOU MADE ABOUT POSSIBLY POINTING TO CITY COUNCIL.

THIS DOES NOT GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS AS A MINOR CHANGE.

THIS IS IN THE LAPS OF PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, AND SO, UM, AND THEN YOU ASKED ABOUT STATS AND BLITZ.

UM, UM, YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THE SIX BULLET, UH, GROUND SIDE.

I THINK THAT, UH, THE WALL SIGN COULD BE A LITTLE BIGGER THAN STANDARD, UM, WITH THE PLACEMENT OF THAT BUILDING IN THIS LOCATION.

WELL, THEN IT'S ON US AND I AGREE A LITTLE BIT, OR JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF FOUR TIMES MAKERS IS THE ANSWER.

I KNOW YOU SAID FROM THE DRAWINGS TO SCALE, THEY, BUT THEY DON'T LOOK ABSURD.

IT DOESN'T LOOK BAD.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE, SO NONE OF US GOT SOME, SOME RATIONALE OF WHY, AND I'M GOING TO BE IN SETBACK OFF THE ROAD.

THIS IS PART OF IT.

THIS IS NOT BAD FAR BACK, LIKE THE ARMY CENTER OVER AT GAMER.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.

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WE HAVE MUCH SMALLER BOY.

I DON'T KNOW.

UM, WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE OPTIONS HERE.

UM, THE FIRST OPTION IS APPROVE AS IT IS.

SO IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT A PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO GO.

UH, THE SECOND OPTION IS TABLING.

IF YOU WANT TO EFFICIENTLY SEE, UM, WHAT MODIFICATIONS COULD BE MADE, UM, AND WHAT THEY WOULD POSE GIVEN THE COMMENTARY HERE TONIGHT.

UM, AND THEN THE THIRD OPTION IS JUST PUT LIMITATIONS AND WHATEVER THEY SUBMIT THAT MEETS THOSE LIMITATIONS.

I'LL SEND OFF TO YOU TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT THEY ENDED UP WITH.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN SAY THAT, UH, THE GROUND SIGN SHELL, UH, HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET AND 75 SQUARE FEET, TOTAL SIGN AREA DON'T AND THEN THE WALL SIGNAGE.

UM, YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING LIKE SHALL HAVE A MAXIMUM, EITHER A TOTAL MAXIMUM AREA, MAXIMUM AREA PER SIDE, UM, STICK TO THE 150 TOTAL SQUARE FEET GO UP TO 300 OR SOMETHING INSTEAD OF 600 AND SOME, UM, THOSE ARE KIND OF BE THE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.

I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T BE OPEN TO, I MEAN, IF WE TAILOR IT TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND THEY MAY HAVE A RATIONALE THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING IT AS FAR AS SOMETHING ARE ASSIGNED, PEOPLE HAVE TOLD THEM THINGS THAT IS NOT OUR WHEELHOUSE.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CALCULATE THE, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS ACCEPTABLE ON THE WALL.

I JUST KNOW FOR OVER FOUR TIMES KNOW IT'S STANDARD IN THE MEETING THAT THEY WERE AT.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TO JUST SEE, IT'D BE NICE TO GET THEIR INPUT.

WE JUST SAY THE, UH, THE WALL SIGNAGE, THE WAY IT APPEARS TO ME IS THAT IT FITS WITHIN THE FRAME OF THAT NEW PORTION.

AND I THINK THAT'S WAS THEIR GOAL OF JUST FITTING IT IN THAT FRAME.

IS IT, WHY IS THE WALL SIGNS, WHY ARE THEY ENLIGHTED ON WHERE THEY LIVE OR ARE THEY JUST WORK? THERE'S GOING TO BE LETTER.

THEY ARE INTERNALLY, INTERNALLY LIT.

I THINK OF A LOT OF VERBIAGE.

THAT'S THAT'S THEIR BRAND, RIGHT? I THINK ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER TOO, IS THIS, UH, THE ONE SIDE IS GOING TO BE FACING RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A REALLY HUGE STINE 18 RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT ARE NOT THAT FAR AWAY, UM, MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION.

YEAH.

AND SOME OTHER RESTRICTIONS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION COULD PUT ON IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOURS THAT NEEDS TO BE TURNED OFF OR CAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION FOR ABOUT, UM, PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO DIGITAL SIGNAGE WITH A CHANGEABLE COPY, DIGITAL CHANGEABLE, COPY, NOT MAKING SURE THAT IT HAD DIMMING CAPABILITIES THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AT NIGHT IT'S NOT THAT FLASHING BRIGHT TYPE SIGN.

SO, UM, THOSE KINDS OF RESTRICTIONS CAN BE PUT IN AS WELL.

I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE US KEEP THAT AROUND BECAUSE YOU NEED, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SIGN, THE GROUND SIGN IN THE WALL, SIGN SOME OF THE HOUSES OUT FRONT, EVEN IF IT'S DAN AS A NEIGHBOR, LOOKING OUT AND STILL WITH YOUR SEMINARY LIVING ROOM, WATCHING TV OR WHATEVER.

IT'S LIKE HAVING THIS CAR IN YOUR DRIVEWAY THE WHOLE TIME POSSIBLE.

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING ON OUT.

THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.

I AGREE.

I AGREE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR CODE REQUIRES.

MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HALF OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE UP THERE.

NOW WE'LL START THERE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT WHAT THEY WANT, NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO GET, UH, A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, UH, IDEAS OF WHAT FLOODED, WHAT ARE SHOWING THAT.

OKAY.

SO I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT, BASICALLY THE CUSTOMER, YOU GOTTA SIGN, WE'LL PASS THIS INFORMATION ON AND, UM, SEE WHAT THEY COME BACK WITH.

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NORTHWEST PORTER ROAD WITHOUT DOUBT.

OKAY.

THIS IS A PROJECT THAT I HAD MENTIONED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET PRE-APPLICATION FOR BEFORE, BUT THERE'S BEEN SO MANY ISSUES ON AND OFF.

UM, BUT, UM, THERE'S A, SEEMS TO BE A, UH, UH, AN AGREEMENT FOR THE LAND NOW THAT'S POSSIBLE OUT THERE.

AND, UH, YEAH, AND A COUPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO FIND, UH, LOOKING FOR SOME LAND, TO DO AN APARTMENT, A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, AS SOON AS A PIECE OF LAND THAT WAS DESIGNATED, IT WAS SPLIT ALL FROM THE SUBDIVISION YEARS AGO, UM, AND PURCHASED BY A CHURCH GROUP.

AND THEY HAD PLANS TO BUILD A CHURCH AT THIS LOCATION, BUT, UH, IT, UH, NEVER, UH, MOVE FORWARD.

THEY HAD DECIDED THAT, UH, THEY WOULD LOOK TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND, UM, THEY HAVE, UH, WHAT APPEARS TO BE ANY WILLING BUYER.

SO I RECOMMENDED THAT WE COME TO KIND OF A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE TO SHOW SOME GENERAL CONCEPTS AND, UH, GETS SOME OF THE INPUT FROM PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT, UH, HOW MANY FORWARD, UH, IF THIS DOES MOVE FORWARD, WHAT THEY HAVE APPLICATION WOULD BE, WOULD BE FOR, UM, A, UH, IT WOULD BE A SUBMITTAL FOR APB PLANNED RESIDENTIAL TO PLANNING COMMISSION PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL CITY COUNCIL WOULD MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON THIS AS A, THIS DO WANT TO SHOW YOU JUST A, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS THIS AREA AS RESIDENTIAL.

UM, THIS AREA WAS DESIGNATED AS SINGLE FAMILY BACK 10 YEARS AGO, UM, AS THAT WAS A PART OF THE PLAN FOR THE OAKS.

SO AS ALSO, IF YOU NOTICE ACROSS THE STREETS WHERE THE SENIOR LIVING WENT IN, THAT WAS ALSO DESIGNATED A SINGLE FAMILY AT THAT TIME, BUT, UM, THE PROJECT, SO IT WENT THROUGH WITH, UM, SOME MULTIFAMILY FOR THE, THE SENIOR LIVING.

SO, SO THE, UH, I WILL PASS THIS ON TO, UH, MR. KAYLOR AND MS. LANG THAT, UM, THEY CAN DESCRIBE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO.

AND SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, YOUR COMMENTS AND WHAT THE NEXT STEPS MAY BE.

OKAY.

THANKS, SCOTT.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

YES.

OKAY.

YEAH.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, A RANCH STYLE EVOLVED, SINGLE STORY, UM, MULTIFAMILY.

THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOU WERE ORIGINALLY TALKING SIX MINUTES EACH, BUT WE KIND OF MAPPED IT OFF THAT THE SHAPE OF THIS LAND, WE WERE THINKING THAT THESE FOUR UNIT H STYLE WORKED BETTER.

I THINK SO FOUR UNITS EACH IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 1500, 1800 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT TWO CAR GARAGE IN EACH ONE.

SO THAT WOULD BE BRIAN'S, THEY'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AGE, ON YOUR SIDE, UM, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE UPON STYLE.

THERE WERE A FEW PLACES AROUND THE DAYTON AREA AND YEAH, SO WHEN WE HAD PLANNED THE GREEN STRIP, AND THIS IS PHOTOSHOP BY NAME, BUT THE GREEN STRIP IS A TO KIND OF GIVE SOME DISTANCE BETWEEN THE OAKS AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

AND, UM, I TALKED TO ROSS ABOUT THE LAND.

HE ONLY THE PENSION WOULD BASICALLY HAVE TO GO WHERE I PUT IT ALREADY.

THAT'S THE LOW POINT, BUT YEAH, WE WERE HUGGING.

UM, SO I PUT 10 IN HERE.

SO IT WOULD BE, I, THE MATH IN MY HEAD, UH, OR 50 UNITS OR SORRY, 40 UNITS AND MORE ACRES, WHICH IS NOT SUPER DENSE.

I THINK I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE TO SAY ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S THE DESIGN WE WANTED TO GO FOR, GET MORE DETAIL OBVIOUSLY, BUT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS AND WE JUST LIKE TO SEE YOUR THOUGHTS AND, UM, AND THINK WE CAN IMPROVE HERE VIA A REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY, BASICALLY SET UP A GREEN SPACE OR KIND OF PLACE.

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SO W WE DON'T WANT TO GO SUPER, SUPER HUGE HERE.

THIS IS THE WHOLE PLAN.

I THINK GREEN SPACE IS REASONABLY, WE THOUGHT ABOUT POSSIBLY PUTTING A HOUSE THERE LATER, CAUSE WE'VE DONE OUR BARN AS OPPOSED BY ON BELT AND ROAD.

WE HADN'T REALLY DECIDED.

UM, BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS DANCE.

WE WANT TO HAVE SOME GREEN SPACE IN THIS AREA HERE.

UM, SO MAYBE I'LL SAY AT LEAST PARTIALLY LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT CORNER PART AS IT GROWS UP BY THE HEALTH AND WOULD DEFINITELY BE GREEN SPACE, BUT MAYBE ON THE GROUND.

MMM.

YEAH, I CAN'T THINK OF, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GO SUPER HUGE HERE.

THIS IS OUR, UH, ONE OF OUR FIRST EFFORTS.

AND, UH, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE UPCOMING PRODUCT, UH, FOR IF ANYBODY DOESN'T KNOW THE BILL IS AT BENCH ROCK, THEY'RE JUST OFF OF OLD CHOY.

AS YOU ENTER INTO THE CARRIAGE TRAILS, UH, DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S THE PRODUCT LINE.

THIS IS JIM QUICK QUESTION, I GUESS.

WOULD WE NEED TO HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE ADDING THE TWO CUTTING HEADS AS FAR AS TRAFFIC FLOW OR ANYTHING? ARE WE THINKING THIS IS A LOW ENOUGH AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.

IT'S NOT GOING TO MATTER TO HAVE THE STREET? WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT, UM, IN THE FINAL DESIGN ABOUT WHERE THOSE COME OUT.

UM, BUT FROM A QUICK TRAFFIC LOOK, UM, THIS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ACTUALLY WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN, UM, ONE POSSIBLY THE CHURCH USE.

AND ALSO IF THIS WAS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BY THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, UH, THERE, I THINK THEY MIGHT'VE HAD A LITTLE, A COUPLE MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THEN THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS HERE.

SO IN GENERAL, I DON'T SEE THIS AS AN ISSUE, BUT WE LOOK AT WHERE THOSE COME OUT, HOW THAT COMPARES TO THE GRADING AND SIGHT LINES AND DRIVEWAYS ON THE OTHER SIDE, THAT KIND OF THING.

AND THEN, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, I USED TO HAVE A QUESTION COMING IN WHERE THE ROAD COMES IN OFF OF BELT FOUNTAIN, JUST RIGHT.

AND RIGHT OFF THE ROAD, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A JOG OUT OF THE ROAD WOULD BE KIND OF A CUTOFF STREET AS IF NORMALLY THAT WOULD INDICATE WHERE WE HAVE PLANS TO EXTEND THAT ROAD IS NOT JUST THERE FOR ANY REASON, OR IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING POSSIBLY WITH ADDING ON AT SOME POINT, IS THERE A PLAN FOR THAT I GUESS, OR IS IT JUST, DO THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE THERE? I W WE WERE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.

WE THINK MAYBE, MAYBE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE SAME THING OR POSSIBLY PUT OUR OWN HOUSE OR POSSIBLY BRAND SPACE, BUT THAT ALLY WAS THINKING, IT'S THIS, LIKE, IF WE PUT THE UMS OR ALL THE WATER OR BENDING IT AROUND, MAYBE LEAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S COMMON AFTER POT.

THE REASON I ASKED, I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN SOME SINCE LAST AND SOME PLANS COME THROUGH WHERE THE YARDS KIND OF GET ALL CUT UP AND ROAD GETS SHIFTED BASED ON THE SPACE THAT'S THERE.

THE PLAN IS TO ADD MORE OF THESE AFTER THE FACT I'D LIKE TO, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, HEY, HERE'S A BRAND MASS, THE POINT OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH LONGTERM SO THAT EVERYBODY FITS NICELY PERSONALLY BE A FAN OF SAYING YES TO A SINGLE FAMILY, BOOM, GOING ON IN THE LOT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO RAISE ON THE PLOT AS MULTIFAMILY SUNBELTS, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY.

UM, MY SON, MY THOUGHT IN TERMS OF LIKE A LONGTERM PLAN, UM, WE WANT TO GET A MAN TO POLE AND I THINK IT WOULDN'T BE TOO BIG OF A JUMP TO ADD A FEW MORE OF THESE, LIKE THE LITTLE OFFSHOOTS, GREAT ELLA, MORE OF THESE UNITS, IF THAT WAY.

I AGREE.

EVEN IF HE DID SOME TWO UNIT, INSTEAD OF FOR, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A MARKET FOR THOSE.

I THINK THERE'S A MARKET LEADER.

LIKE I DID SANDY, I WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, THE FACT THAT THERE WOULD BE.

UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, I GUESS, DEFINITE IDEA OF WHAT YOU REALLY ARE PLANNING TO DO WITH THE WHOLE TIME.

UM, IT SEEMS TO BE, UM, INDECISIVE, BUT IN PARTS OF IT.

AND I'D LIKE TO JUST SEE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, DECIDED ON A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG.

SO COULD YOU TELL ME, GET KIND OF

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IN TERMS OF, UM, ALL, UM, IF WE HAD AN EXPERT WAS GREAT THERE AND MAYBE A FEW MORE 40 MINUTES OR SOME, UM, SOMETHING THAT TO, I GUESS, WHAT, WHAT WOULD MEAN, WOULD THAT BE PALPABLE? EVERYONE IS A, I USED TO THAT MAYBE A LITTLE GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE.

THIS IS SANDY.

I WOULD AGREE.

UH, I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF TWO UNITS.

AND I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING GREEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE THE MUD TRAILS OR SOME, UH, DOG AREA OR TREES AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH.

IT'S A LITTLE BETTER THAN WE HARVESTED.

WE TRIED TO GET THE LAND NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS 10 ANGERS AND WE LOST IT AND THAT WAS ALREADY BIG ON OUR RESOLVE.

AND MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST PUT SURE.

TO PUT MORE IN, BUT WE CAN, THAT WILL MODIFY THE CULTURE.

THAT WOULD BE OVERALL ON MY SIDE.

IF WE'RE TALKING A REZONING, LOOKING AT MULTIUNIT RANCH, CONDO TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOODS, WHETHER IT'S ADDING THAT ALSO THAT GROUP, I JUST, AND I'M GOING TO SAY WHAT THE COMMIT TO EXTENDING THAT ROAD TO SAY EIGHT OR NINE, AM'S ASSAULTED THE EXTENSION START THERE.

AND USUALLY THAT INDICATES A PLAN AT SOME POINT SOMETHING ELSE POTENTIALLY IN ONE OF WORK.

RIGHT.

BUT I MEAN, EVEN AS IS ANYTHING ELSE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF, I THINK THAT THERE IS A MARKET FOR ME, IT WOULDN'T MAKE TO SAY IT TO LAY OUT UNDER A FORMAT OF BASICALLY IT GOES VERY WELL AND WE NEED TO EXTEND PART OF WHAT'S LEFT THAT SHOULD LAY THAT OUT.

AND THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY COME IN THE LATER STAGES.

IT'S NOT THE, NOT THE INITIAL DISCUSSION TIME OBVIOUSLY, BUT I LIKE THE QUAD MODEL IN GENERAL.

SO LIKE A LEVEL OF DETAIL WHEN YOU COME TO THE APPLICATION, UM, W WHAT ALL, HOW MANY DRAWINGS OR THE, TO GO ALONG WITH THE APPLICATION? ALL RIGHT.

SO, SO THE NEXT STEP, IF YOU DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION IS WHAT WE CALL OUR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO IT'S A BASE ELEMENT PLAN IS, UM, WHERE BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE GETTING APPROVED IS THAT THE CONCEPT AND THE GENERAL LAYOUT, THEN YOU'LL COME BACK LATER WITH THE DETAILED PLANS THAT THE DETAILED PLANS LATER HAVE THE THINGS LIKE, OKAY, WHAT IS THE OFFICIAL DEPTH OF THE SEWERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT ONLY INITIAL IT'S, UH, YOU'LL HAVE A SITE DRAWING, SHOWING THE LAYOUT, SHOW ME WHERE THE DETENTION IS.

LIKE, I KNOW YOU SHOW IT HERE, BUT HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL DRAINAGE OF THE AREA, UM, WHAT IS THE STREET SET UP, UM, GENERAL WITH PARKING, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

IS THERE GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THROUGHOUT FOR VISITORS, OR IS THERE ENOUGH AUTHENTIC COMMUNITY BUILDINGS THAT, THAT KIND OF THING, ARE YOU THINKING OF THINGS LIKE WHITE PALACES PLAYGROUND? UM, ANY OF THAT? SO THE DETAIL LEVEL IS, UH, IN BETWEEN THIS AND FINAL GROWINGS.

UM, SO SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN, AND I CAN, I CAN SEND YOU SOME OTHER EXAMPLES OF WHAT SOME OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS, SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, UH, SOME GOOD EXAMPLES.

OKAY.

THAT'S GREAT.

DO WE DO ANY LIKE AN ENGINEER TO DRAW THIS, OR LIKE THIS DRAWING IS THE SCALE, BUT THIS WAS ME IN A COUPLE HOURS, ANYONE, OR A SURVEY OR ANYTHING YOU TYPICALLY, THESE ARE DONE BY ENGINEERS.

I MEAN, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A 100% FINAL SCALE DRAWING.

SO WE'VE HAD SOLID WHERE ARCHITECTS HAVE DONE IT, UM, THAT, UM, SO THERE IS A LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT IS REQUIRED, BUT AS I SAID, NOT, NOT SORT OF FINAL DETAILS YET.

SO, UM, WE DO SEE THEM DONE BY THE PROFESSIONALS.

I MEAN, QUICK QUESTION, SCOTT TOO, ON THAT.

SO SINCE THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF THE OATS ITSELF, DO WE HAVE ANY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW ABOUT, AS FAR AS BUILDING MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS OR SQUARE FOOTAGE, MINIMUM, THEY SHOULD WORK KIND OF THE SERVING THE FLOW OF THE AREA, OBVIOUSLY THE COST OF LOANS AND THE OAKS VERSUS WHAT THESE ARE GOING TO BE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TARGETED RENT PRICES OR TARGETED PRICE POINTS, ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT WE SHOULD COVER AT ALL, OR IS THAT LATER? WELL, THAT I'M SURE THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED IN THE PROCESS OF THE MEETINGS.

UM, THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW

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THE SAME DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF THEO OPS.

MAYBE YOU WANT IT TO, UM, THAT BECAUSE ONE, JUST REMEMBER THIS WORLD WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE DO NOTIFY THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORING USES.

SO, UM, WE, THE RESIDENTS OF THE OATS WILL GET COPIES OF THESE AND BE ABLE TO COME IN AND HAVE INPUT.

AND THEN IT'LL EVENTUALLY IT'LL BE UP TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT THE APPROVAL IS, BUT IF THERE IS A CONNECTION TO, UM, THE DESIGN OR SOMETHING OF THE OATS, THAT GOES A LONG WAY, UH, WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY SHOWN ABOUT, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF BUFFER MOUND TREES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT GOES ALONG THE WAY AS WELL.

UM, BUT, UH, JUST AS WOULD THERE BE A REQUIREMENT TO MEET A DESIGN STANDARD OF YOLKS METAL? NOT NECESSARILY, OKAY.

WE DROVE AROUND THERE RECENTLY HANGING OUT EXACTLY THIS.

IT ISN'T VERY HIGHLY VARIED, LIKE THE NUMBER SIGNING CHOICES.

AND THEY'RE VERY NICE.

IT'S A LOT OF RYAN HAIR, WE COULD PROBABLY PICK SOMETHING TO MAKE IT WAS OF, AND THERE WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF, YOU CAN ONLY USE, YOU KNOW, GRAY NUMBER THREE SITE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, ON THOSE IN THERE.

SO, UM, I CAN GET YOU A COPY OF WHAT THE PART OF IT'S WERE PUT ON.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE IF ANY OF THOSE FIT TO HELP, UH, DO A GOOD BLEND BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY, MULTI FAMILY PRODUCT.

OKAY.

UM, AS FAR AS THE APPLICATION GOES, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS WE DON'T UNDERSTAND.

WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE HERE, OR SHOULD WE BE CONTACTING LATER? I CAN TALK TO YOU OFFLINE ABOUT THAT, ABOUT HOW IT FELT THE APPLICATION AND WHAT INFORMATION TO PROVIDE.

LIKE, UM, I THINK, UH, THIS VENUE IS, UH, MORE TO GET YOUR IDEAS OUT AND SEE ABOUT, UH, PLANNING, COMMISSION, UM, AND GUIDANCE, KNOWING THAT NOTHING'S GETTING SOLVED HERE NIGHT, NOTHING'S GETTING APPROVED.

SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER THAT'S EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THAT COULD STILL CHANGE THEIR MIND LATER ON AND HAVE A THOUGHT NOW THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT WHEN THEY SEE SOMETHING FINALLY.

OKAY.

YEAH.

ON, HEY SCOTT, CAN I ASK ONE QUICK KIND OF QUESTION IT'S IT'S ABOUT THAT BRIDGE? DO YOU KNOW, IS THERE THAT BRIDGE? OH, YES.

UH, THAT IS A, UH, MONTGOMERY COUNTY HAS CONTROL OF THAT GREAT STRUCTURE.

SO THAT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS, BUT, UM, THAT IS BEEN OUT TO BID AND THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS ARE DONE, SO CONSTRUCTION SHOULD START, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE LATER THIS YEAR.

IT'S, UH, MIGHT NOT BE DONE UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.

OKAY.

THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR, BECOME, TURN AROUND SPOT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PROBABLY UM, WELL, AS OF, UH, UH, SEVERAL MINUTES AGO, WE NOW HAVE A, UH, AN ITEM THAT WAS TABLED FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, AND THAT IS THE ONLY AGENDA ITEM AT THIS TIME.

SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, I WILL GET RID OF THEM AND FIND OUT, UH, WHAT THEY LIKE TO DO WHEN THEY, UH, COULD GET SOMETHING QUICK ENOUGH TO COME BACK HERE IN TWO WEEKS, OR IF THEY WANT TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING, WHEN THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER APPLICATIONS AS WELL.

SO THAT'LL BE UP TO THEM AND THEIR SPEED OF WORKING OUT SOME NEW ASSIGNING DRONES.

OKAY, GREAT.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE .

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Speech-to-Text.