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[1. Call The Meeting To Order - Mayor Jeff Gore]

[00:00:06]

OKAY, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

WELCOME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

REGULAR SESSIONS TODAY IS JUNE 8TH, 2020.

WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT 7:00 PM.

UH, WITH THAT THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.

UH, NEXT UP IS OUR INVOCATION BY PASTOR RANDY GRIFFITH OF THE FREE METHODIST CHURCH AT 68, 75 OLD TROY PIKE.

AND HE WRITES PASTOR DIFFERENTLY.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, YOU TOO, REGARDING HIS DISCIPLES, JESUS PRAYED FATHER.

THEY KNOW THAT EVERYTHING YOU HAVE GIVEN ME COMES FROM YOU FOR, I GAVE THEM THE WORDS YOU GAVE ME AND THEY ACCEPTED THEM.

THEY KNEW WITH CERTAINTY THAT I CAME FROM YOU AND THEY BELIEVED THAT YOU SENT ME.

GOD HAS ENTRUSTED EVERYTHING TO HIS SON.

AND IN TRUSTED US WITH TRUSTING JESUS, AUTHENTIC FAITH IS A GIFT FROM GOD AS HIS AUTHENTIC LOVE, FAITH AND LOVE COME FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE SPIRIT.

WITHIN A BELIEVER, THEY ARE THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT THEY'RE PRODUCED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND NOT BY HUMAN EFFORT OR ABILITY.

WHAT THE FATHER GIVES TO JESUS.

JESUS GIVES TO US CONSIDER JESUS FEEDING OF THE 5,000.

THE PROBLEM WAS THAT THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE AND TOO LITTLE RESOURCES.

THE PRAGMATIC DISCIPLES COULD SEE THE PROBLEM.

PRAGMATIC PEOPLE CAN SEE THE PROBLEM AND OFFER REASONABLE WORLDLY ANSWERS.

BUT JESUS SAW THE FATHER.

THE DISCIPLES WANTED TO DO WHAT ANY REASONABLE PERSON WOULD WANT TO DO.

GIVE THE PEOPLE DIRECTIONS TO TOWN, RECOMMEND SOME RESTAURANTS AND SEND THEM AWAY.

BUT JESUS SAID TO HIS DISCIPLES, YOU GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO EAT.

AND JESUS GAVE TO THEM ALL WHAT THE FATHER GAVE TO HIM LIKE WAITERS.

THE DISCIPLES MERELY PASSED OUT WHAT THE FATHER GAVE TO JESUS AND JESUS GAVE TO THEM.

ALL OF THE PEOPLE WERE SATISFIED AND THERE WAS PLENTY LEFTOVER.

THIS IS MINISTRY AND GODLY SERVICE.

WHAT GOD, THE FATHER, FATHER HASN'T TRUSTED TO JESUS.

JESUS GIVES TO BELIEVERS THROUGH THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN THEM SO THAT THEY MAY GIVE TO OTHERS WHAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD HAS GIVEN THEM.

SO THAT ALL MAY BELIEVE AND BE SATISFIED WITH ETERNAL LIFE LIKE JESUS PRAYED.

THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU.

THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM YOU'VE SENT TO KNOW GOD IS TO TRUST JESUS GOD.

THE FATHER HAS ENTRUSTED ALL THINGS TO HIS SON.

HAVE YOU ACCEPTED THE WORDS OF JESUS HAS GOD ENTRUSTED YOU WITH TRUSTING JESUS, KNOWING THIS WHOMEVER GOT AND TRUSTS.

GOD ENABLES LET'S PRAY.

FATHER.

WE'RE THANKFUL THAT YOU ARE ABOVE ALL THINGS AND HOLD EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

AND THAT YOU HAVE PUT EVERYTHING INTO THE HANDS OF YOUR SON.

AND WE'RE THANKFUL WITH HOW GENEROUS HE IS, WAS SHARING THAT WITH US.

AND SO WE LOOKED AT YOU RIGHT NOW AND ASK FOR YOUR WISDOM AND YOUR GRACE TO BE UPON ALL OF US AS WE MEET TONIGHT.

AND IT'S IN CHRIST'S NAME.

WE PRAY.

AMEN.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AMERICA.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL MR. ROGERS, IF YOU'D CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

MR. SHAW HERE.

MS. BAKER HERE.

MR. CAMPBELL HERE.

MRS. BERG HERE.

MR. OTTO HERE.

MR. LYONS, MR. HILL EAR, MR. REP HERE, MIRA GORE HERE.

[5. Approval Of Minutes]

OKAY.

NEXT UP IS NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS OUR APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

IT'S LIKE ITEMS A AND B.

THERE ARE TWO SETS OF, WELL, THE ONES THAT HAVE CITY COUNCIL, REGULAR MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 11TH, 2020.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 14TH OF 2020.

THAT WAS THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO EVERYONE.

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IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS CHANGES, CONCERNS, PLEASE LET US KNOW IF NOT THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS A PRINT.

OKAY.

SEEING NO NEEDED CORRECTIONS, THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.

NEXT UP IS OUR NUMBER SIX FOR SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.

MR. ROGERS, ARE THERE ANY OF THE SEATING OR NOT NECESSARILY? THE MAN

[7. Citizens Comments]

NEXT UP IS NUMBER SEVEN.

CITIZENS' COMMENTS.

ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS THIS EVENING? UH, YES, I HAVE TWO.

UH, THE FIRST UP WOULD BE MRS. TONY GORE, PLEASE COME TO THE BATHROOM.

I HAVE TO GET MY ADDRESS.

OKAY.

WE DROPPED THAT.

WE DROPPED THAT.

OKAY.

UM, GOOD EVENING.

I WANTED TO COME TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION TO MR. SCHOMER FOR THE PRO, HOW THE PROTEST WAS HANDLED ON SATURDAY EVENING.

UM, I REALIZED THAT SOME MAY TRY TO DISCOUNT WHAT I SAY BECAUSE I'M THE WIFE OF THE MAYOR OR THAT I'M BIASED OR THAT THIS IS AN OVERABUNDANCE OF PRAISE, BUT THAT'S FINE.

CAUSE I'M GOING TO SAY IT ANYWAY.

SOME PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND EVEN SOME ON THE DIETS HAVE CRITICIZED MR. SCHOMER FOR NOT LIVING IN THE CITY AND HAVE EVEN STATED THAT THEIR END GOAL WAS TO HAVE HIM REMOVE THE CITY MANAGER.

HE HAS DEVOTED HIS WORKING CAREER TO THE CITY.

SO FOR SOME TO SAY THAT HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT HUBER HEIGHTS IS JUST NOT ACCURATE.

ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO SET UP RESIDENTS IN A CITY TO HAVE A LOVE FOR THAT CITY.

TAKE ME, FOR EXAMPLE, I'VE BEEN WITH THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR 21 YEARS AND HAVE NOT ALWAYS LIVED IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I DON'T HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THIS COMMUNITY AND A LOVE FOR THIS TOWN AND THE PEOPLE IN IT, ESPECIALLY FOR MY STUDENTS.

I GREW UP IN FAIRBORN.

I HAVEN'T LIVED IN FAIRBORN FOR, SINCE I WAS 23 YEARS OLD, BUT THAT'S STILL MY HOMETOWN AND IT WILL STILL HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART.

AND I STILL CARE VERY DEEPLY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT TOWN.

LOOKING BACK AT LAST WEEK, MR. SCHUMER'S LOVE FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND THE COMMITMENT TO DO WHATEVER HE COULD TO PROTECT IT.

AND ITS CITIZENS WAS NEVER MORE EVIDENT.

HE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO PREPARE FOR, FOR SATURDAY WORKING WITH THE POLICE CHIEF AND OTHER SURROUNDING LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE OF HUBER HEIGHTS AND THE OTHERS THAT JOINED THE PROTEST WOULD BE SAFE.

HIS PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS DEFINITELY AN ASSET IN HELPING TO COORDINATE AND PREPARE FOR THE PROTEST.

ON SATURDAY.

HE WALKED AROUND SPEAKING WITH MANY OF THE PROTESTERS, SOME WHO WEREN'T ALL, ALL THAT FAVORABLE TO CITY OFFICIALS AND POLICE.

AND HE HANDLED HIMSELF WITH DIGNITY AND GRACE.

HE MADE THE RIGHT DECISIONS AT THE RIGHT TIMES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE EVENT TO HELP KEEP THE PROTESTS SAFE FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.

AND I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T HAVE WANTED TO HAVE ANYONE ELSE AT THE HELM.

THANK YOU, MR. SCHOMER FOR MAKING SURE THE PROTEST WAS SAFE FOR NOT ONLY MYSELF, HUBER, RESONANCE AND OTHERS FROM OUTSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR MY FORMER STUDENTS BOTH PAST AND PRESENT WHO WERE IN ATTENDANCE, EXERCISING THEIR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO PROTEST FOR A CAUSE THEY BELIEVED IN MS. CRYSTAL GOLF.

HELLO.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

HELLO.

UM, SO I'M SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS ABLE TO SEE THE POST THAT WAS POSTED ON BEHALF OF THE CHAMBER REGARDING THE PROTEST THAT WAS HAPPENING ON SATURDAY.

UM, WHEN I FIRST SAW THE POST, I WAS THROWN OFF DISGUSTED AND FELT LIKE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WERE WANTING TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY IN WAS BEING ATTACKED AND THE ASSUMPTIONS WERE PUT OUT THERE THAT IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE A POSITIVE EVENT.

UM, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL PROTESTS IN OUR SURROUNDING AREA THAT HAVE HAD A VERY PEACEFUL PROTEST.

UH, BEAVER CREEK WAS THE EXCEPTION.

THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A MISHAP WHEN IT HAD FIRST HAPPENED, EVERYTHING CALMED DOWN AND IT WAS FINE.

UM, I THINK THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WITH THEIR PROTEST WAS MAYBE BROUGHT TO LIGHT MORE.

SO, UM, IN THE STATEMENT THAT WAS RELEASED AND IT KIND OF PUT THE ASSUMPTION OUT THERE THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO BE AS PEACEFUL AS WHAT EVERYBODY HAD WANTED.

UM, NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS NOT THE CITY WHO HAD RELEASED THAT STATEMENT.

I'M SORRY THAT IT WAS RELEASED ON BEHALF OF THE CHAMBER WHO REPRESENTS THE BUSINESSES IN HEBREW.

HOWEVER, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT ARE NOT ONLY MY AGE, BUT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER WHO ARE JUST NOW STARTING TO FOLLOW SOME OF THE POLITICS THAT ARE GOING ON, DID NOT REALIZE

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THAT TO THEM.

IT WAS LIKE THE CITY WAS SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF WHAT WAS TO COME.

AND, UM, THEY ALSO FELT LIKE IT WAS VERY BIASED IN, UM, THAT THE ASSUMPTION WAS PUT OUT THERE THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING NEGATIVE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL MOVEMENT ITSELF AND WHY THEY WERE OUT THERE.

UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE CAN MAYBE FIGURE OUT HOW, WHEN STATEMENTS LIKE THIS ARE RELEASED IN THE FUTURE, THAT THEY COULD BE BROUGHT TO MAYBE MR. SCHIRMER'S ATTENTION PRIOR TO BEING RELEASED, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS OR REFLUX, I'M SORRY.

UM, THE CITY AS A WHOLE, UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MARK PROBABLY COULD HAVE WORDED HIS STATEMENT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, UM, AND WAS, AND WASN'T SO NEGATIVE WITH A LOT OF THE PINPOINTS THAT HE HAD BROUGHT UP IN THAT STATEMENT THAT WAS RELEASED.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, CRYSTAL.

SO I GUESS A COUPLE OF POINTS TO BE MADE HERE.

SO THE, FOR ANYBODY WHO ISN'T AWARE, THE, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION AND THEY CAN MAKE STATEMENTS PUT OUT STATEMENTS.

THEY CAN, THEY CAN REPRESENT THEIR MEMBERS, UM, IN ANY WAY THAT THEY WOULD, UH, BUT THEY SEEM FIT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THEIR, OF THEIR MEMBERS.

UM, WHEN IN FACT, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR ME, IT WAS A CHAMBER MEMBER WHO ACTUALLY SENT THAT TO ME.

I WASN'T ABLE TO SEE IT FOR WHATEVER REASON WHEN IT WAS MADE.

IT WAS A CHAMBER MEMBER WHO SENT ME THAT STATEMENT AND ASKED KIND OF WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS GOING ON.

AND THEN I STARTED GETTING SCREENSHOTS FROM PEOPLE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT POSTS AND THINGS WERE BEING MADE ON THEIR, ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE.

AND, AND THAT'S THE AT TIME THEN I THOUGHT I NEEDED TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE CLEARLY THERE WERE STATEMENTS MADE WHERE THERE WERE LOTS OF PEOPLE POSTING WHO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY AND THE CHAMBER ARE NOT TOGETHER, BUT THEY DON'T REPRESENT US.

WE DON'T REPRESENT THEM OR THEY DON'T SPEAK FOR US.

SO WE DON'T SPEAK FOR THEM SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA IS, AS WE ALL KNOW, FACEBOOK IS A WAY THAT WE ALL, UM, COMMUNICATE WITH SOME RESIDENTS MAYBE IN THE, IN THE QUICKEST FORM OR FASHION.

SO, UM, I MADE A STATEMENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THE CHAMBER WAS NOT THE CITY AND THE CITY WASN'T THE CHAMBER AND THEY DIDN'T SPEAK FOR US, REPRESENT US.

AND, YOU KNOW, I DID ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, I WAS, UM, I WAS OFFENDED BY THAT STATEMENT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS, UM, INSENSITIVE AND TONE DEAF TO SAY THE LEAST CONCERNING THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE ONGOING, UH, NOT ONLY IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT IN THE NATION AS A, AS A WHOLE RIGHT NOW.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IF, IF THEY WANTED TO SEND THAT TYPE OF A MESSAGE TO BUSINESS OWNERS THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED SPECIFICALLY BY WHERE THE PROTESTS WERE SCHEDULED TO HAPPEN, UM, MAYBE THAT WOULD BEEN OKAY, BUT THEN TO SHARE THAT TYPE OF POST TO BUSINESS OWNERS AND ON BUSINESS OWNERS, UH, LIKE, UH, ON A PUBLIC FORUM WHERE THE CITY WAS KINDA TIED INTO THAT NEGATIVITY, YOU KNOW, THE LINE NEEDED TO BE DRAWN FOR ME IN THAT.

AND THAT WAS IN, I THINK, I THINK I ADDRESSED THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AT THAT TIME.

SO I WOULD AGREE.

AND IN SEVERAL ONE KNOWS, I SENT AN EMAIL TO MR. BRUNS, UH, ADDRESSING THE SITUATION, ACKNOWLEDGING THEY CAN REPRESENT THEIR MEMBERS, HOWEVER THEY WANT.

BUT I DID ASK THEM TO REMOVE THE POST AND, UH, ISSUE AN APOLOGY OF SOME SORT TO TRY TO CALM THE WATERS OF, OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BEING SAID, BECAUSE ON THEIR PUBLIC PAGE, IT WAS QUITE A BIT OF OUTRAGE.

AND THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE THAT WERE, UM, INCITING VIOLENCE, EVEN MORE THE TERM LYNCHING, SOMEONE USED ON THEIR PUBLIC FACEBOOK PAGE.

AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE CHAMBER AT ALL.

THEY JUST KIND OF LEFT ALL THAT OPEN.

SO I'VE, HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM MR. BRUNS AND I HAVEN'T, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE POST IS STILL UP ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE WITH ALL THOSE, WITH ALL THOSE COMMENTS.

SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S MY POSITION.

THAT'S MY TAKE.

I WOULD ASK ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE, YOU CERTAINLY CAN AND FEEL WELCOME TO YES.

MR. CAMPBELL, THE DO MAYOR.

UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT AND, UH, THE SCORE.

I, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS MORE.

THANK YOU, ROB.

UM, MAYOR, I BELIEVE I MIGHT'VE BEEN THE PERSON THAT SENT YOU, UH, A LETTER FROM THE ACCOUNT THAT, UH, THE CHAMBER STILL HAS ME LISTED ON, UH, AS A FORM BUSINESS WITH THE CHAMBER.

YOU ARE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, ALSO I WAS, I WAS TAKEN BACK BY THE LETTER AND THAT PROMPTED MY CALL TO YOU.

AND I WAS HOPING THAT, UH, UM, WE CAN TALK

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THROUGH YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER AND KEEP OUR THOUGHTS, UH, CONSISTENT.

AND, UH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT YOU SENDING A LETTER, AN EMAIL TO THE CHAMBER, AND YOU'RE SAYING TONIGHT, YOU DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSES PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

LAST TIME I CHECKED, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM MR. BROWNS OR I'VE HEARD FROM ANYBODY FROM THE CHAMBER.

YEAH, I WAS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORD RIOT, UH, WAS ON THE LETTER.

I KNOW THAT IT WAS VERY CONFUSING.

I HAD SEVERAL, EVEN FAMILY MEMBERS ASKED ME, UH, IF THAT WAS THE CITY OR THE CHAMBER.

AND, AND, AND I THINK THE CONFUSION LIED THERE AND WHO AUTHORED THE LETTER.

UM, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS THAT I THINK MESSAGES LIKE THAT SHOULDN'T BE CENTRALIZED.

AND, AND IF IT'S GOING TO INVOLVE THE CITY, THEY SHOULD GO THROUGH YOUR OFFICE AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

BUT YES, UH, UH, JUST TO STATE, SINCE YOU'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO COME TONIGHT, I, I WAS TAKEN BACK BY THE LETTER, UM, AND, AND DID DISCUSS WITH YOU MAYOR.

UM, MY CONCERNS.

YEAH, I, THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE.

I MEAN, SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME THROUGH, UM, PRIVATE MESSAGE EMAIL THROUGH, UM, AT THE PROTEST ON SATURDAY, MY WIFE AND I ATTENDED A BABY SHOWER FOR ONE OF HER FORMER STUDENTS ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON.

UH, THERE WAS A BUSINESS OWNER THERE THAT RECEIVED THAT.

UH, SO THERE WERE, UM, THE, THE COMMENT THAT I MADE ON SOCIAL MEDIA SEPARATING THE BUSINESSES AND THE CHAMBER, UM, FROM THE CITY I THOUGHT WAS NECESSARY.

AND, UH, IN A TIME LIKE THIS, I FELT IT WAS CERTAINLY OKAY.

AND PERTINENT FOR ME TO MAKE MY OWN PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT WHAT I FELT ABOUT, ABOUT THE STATEMENT.

UM, YES, MR. ADAMS. YEAH.

I'LL, UH, I'LL ADDRESS THIS AS I, UH, I, WE HAD SPOKEN, UM, THAT DAY AND, UM, I PROVIDED YOU MY COMMENTS TO THAT AND, AND I DID AGREE THAT THEY APPROACH COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH SOFTER.

UM, IT COULD HAVE BEEN PREFACED.

UM, I AGREE WITH THEM.

AND THEN I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MARK BRUNS AS WELL, AND THE SAME MESSAGE WAS GIVEN TO HIM AS WELL.

UM, NOW DURING THAT MESSAGE, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT HE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH BUSINESS OWNERS, UH, THE OWNER OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER AND OTHERS, UM, IN WHICH A LOT OF THESE THINGS WERE DISCUSSED.

AND MANY OF THOSE BUSINESSES, FROM WHAT HE TOLD ME HAD ASKED IF THEY COULD PUT SOMETHING OUT TO, TO THEM OF THAT NATURE, NOT MAYBE NOT THAT SPECIFICALLY.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT PIECE WAS DERIVED.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY MADE IT UP OR IF IT WAS PULLED FROM SOMETHING ELSE.

I COULDN'T TELL YOU ON THAT ONE.

BUT, UM, WHAT I DO KNOW, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY MALINTENT INVOLVED IN THAT.

UM, MARK BRONZE IS A, UH, RETIRED POLICE DETECTIVE FROM HUBER HEIGHTS.

UH, I THINK IS A, AND, AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT, UM, MR. SCHUMER MAY AGREE THAT ONCE YOU'VE GOT THAT MENTALITY GOING, YOU KIND OF THINK TOWARDS POLICE ONCE YOU'VE BEEN THERE, YOU CAN TAKE THE GUY OUT OF THE POLICE FORCE, BUT NOT THE POLICE FORCE OUT OF THE GUY.

AND, AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT WAS, WAS SIMPLY JUST VERY DIRECT AND VERY BARE.

UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS INTENTIONAL.

I THINK IT JUST MAYBE COME UP, IT CAME OUT THAT WAY AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING MEANT TO OFFEND.

UM, I KNOW THE PROTESTORS WEREN'T ADDRESSED AT ALL IN THAT STATEMENT, FROM WHAT I SAW, I DIDN'T SEE PROTESTERS ANYWHERE IN IT.

UM, AND IT WAS A WHOLE LOT OF IFS.

IF YOU FIND YOURSELF IN THIS SITUATION, IT WAS ABOUT PROTECTING PEOPLE AND NOT PROPERTY.

UM, THAT WAS THE BIG MESSAGE I GOT FROM IT OVERALL WAS THAT THEY WERE SAYING, LOOK, FOLKS, UH, THE BUSINESS CAN BE REBUILT.

YOUR EMPLOYEES AND YOURSELF CAN NOT BE.

SO, UM, I'M SORRY THAT IT DID STATE THAT IN WINERIES, IN AREA PROTESTS, THINGS TO KNOW ARE THE BUSINESS OWNER OR BUSINESS MANAGER.

AND HE WENT ON TO NOT ONLY COPYING THE SAFETY TIPS, BUT ALSO THE PICTURE OF THE ACTUAL STATEMENT THAT WAS RELEASED.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT IT WAS NEVER IMPLIED THAT THERE WOULD BE A RIOT.

THERE WAS STATED AS, AS AN F THERE'S ALWAYS POSSIBILITIES.

AND I KNOW EVEN OUR OWN POLICE FORCE PREPARED FOR THAT POTENTIAL, CAUSE IT WOULD REALLY BE STUPID NOT TO PREPARE.

WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THINGS LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN TURBULENT TIMES AND THESE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED IN OTHER CITIES ACROSS OUR COUNTRY.

UM, AGAIN, THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS ON, I DON'T PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY MALINTENT.

UM, I THINK, UM, IT WAS JUST SIMPLY MEANT TO BE A, UH, AN EDUCATIONAL PIECE TO, TO LET THOSE BUSINESSES KNOW THAT, HEY, HERE'S SOME STEPS YOU CAN TAKE AND PROTECT YOUR BILL OR PROTECT YOUR PEOPLE, NOT YOUR PROPERTY.

THOSE ARE MINE.

HE HAD MENTIONED ERRORS FINGER TO THEM

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AS PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE LIKE A MOM TYPE OF A MENTALITY.

NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PIECE OR THIS STATEMENT AT THE TOP.

I MUST NOT HAVE CAUGHT THE ONE YEAR.

IT'S THE, IT'S THE SECOND PINPOINT CRYSTAL, IF YOU WOULD JUST, JUST TO MAKE NO, NO, YOU CAN GO UP HERE.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE MIC ACTUALLY PICKED, PICKED YOU UP.

SO THE SECOND PINPOINT ON HIS STATEMENT STATES THAT PSYCHOLOGISTS USE A TERM CALLED MOB MENTALITY TEACHERS TO DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENS DURING A RIOT.

AND THERE IS EVEN A WHOLE BUNCH, A WHOLE BRANCH OF STUDY FOR CROWD PSYCHOLOGY.

WHEN PEOPLE GET INTO GROUPS, THE GROUP MENTALITY SEEMS TO TAKE OVER FUELED ON BY THE MOM.

AGAIN, WAS THAT IN THE PIECE THAT WAS IN THE ACTUAL STATE, IT WAS IN THE STATEMENT.

IT WAS THE SECOND PINPOINT OF THAT STATEMENT.

WE ARE A VERY DIVERSE COMMUNITY AS, AS YOU KNOW.

YEAH, YEAH, WE'RE AT, CAN YOU SHOW ME, LET ME PUT THIS THE SECOND PINPOINT YOU COULDN'T EITHER, BUT I MEAN, WERE THERE MULTIPLE POSTS? ARE THESE, THE ONLY ONE I SAW WAS ONE THAT YOU HAD PUT UP? GOD, I NEVER SHARED ANYTHING.

I SHARED IT ALL I DID PERSONALLY.

I'M VERY SORRY THAT YOU TOOK IT THAT WAY.

RESPONSE.

AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS IN THE ACTUAL PIECE OF LITERATURE, NOT THEY HAD A PREFACING STATEMENT.

OKAY.

I'M WRITING ON THIS NOW, SO OKAY.

EITHER WAY.

UM, I JUST, OH, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL END MY COMMENTS THERE.

CAUSE I HAVE MORE COMMENTS FOR LATER.

I THINK I WILL BE ADDRESSING THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC AS WELL.

GOTCHA.

TOWARDS THE END OF THE MEETING.

SO, OKAY.

I JUST FEEL THAT WITH US BEING AS DIVERSE AS WE ARE, IT NEEDED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSITIVE TO WHAT IS GOING ON.

JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE CITIES LIKE CLEVELAND, CINCINNATI, OR THEY, OR EVEN COLUMBUS THAT ARE A LOT BIGGER THAN HEBREW HEIGHTS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THAT INTENT IS HERE.

OKAY.

DO YOU BELIEVE THE CHAMBER BELIEVED THAT THERE WOULD BE WRITING OR WAS TRYING TO CREATE AN ISSUE BASED ON THE STATEMENT THAT WAS RELEASED? THE RESPONSE I PERSONALLY GOT FROM THE CHAMBER, I DON'T KNOW WHO ANSWERED IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T SIGNED.

I, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT, UM, THEY THOUGHT THAT THE ILL INTENT WAS THERE AND IT CREATED A DIVIDE AMONGST PEOPLE.

THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO GO.

AND THEN WHEN THAT STATEMENT WAS ISSUED, THEY'RE LIKE, I DON'T, I'M NOT GOING, I DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE VIOLENT.

IT WAS NEVER GOING TO BE VIOLENT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS CAN HAPPEN.

AND YOU KNOW, OUR POLICE FORCE, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PREPARED FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN, NOT AS THEIR JOB, BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT A STATEMENT LIKE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO INSTILL FEAR AND ANYBODY WHO LIVES IN THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS WHO WAS GOING TO ATTEND THE, DO YOU BELIEVE THE INTENT WAS TO INSTILL FEAR? I DO.

AND I STAND BY THAT.

WE DISAGREE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT MR. BRUNS, NOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WOULD INTENTIONALLY TRY TO CREATE AN ATMOSPHERE LIKE THAT.

I JUST SIMPLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT.

I'M SORRY.

WELL, I MEAN, IT'S FUNNY, WE DON'T AGREE ON IT.

UM, BUT I JUST, I, I HONESTLY FEEL THAT HE, YES, AND I, AND I'VE KNOWN MARK, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM MY PREVIOUS JOB AS WELL.

AND I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE CAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH EVER.

I FELT THAT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SENSITIVE TO WHAT IS GOING ON, ESPECIALLY IN A COMMUNITY THAT IS AS DIVERSE AS WHAT WE ARE.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER? YES.

I BELIEVE IN THE AGE OF CONNECTIVITY THAT WE'RE IN, EVERYBODY'S CONNECTED.

AND WHEN SOMEONE REACHES OUT TO YOU AND SAY, YOU'VE OFFENDED PEOPLE AND ASKED TO TAKE DOWN THE MESSAGE OR GIVE AN APOLOGY THAT WAS NOT ACHIEVED AT THIS POINT.

I THINK MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN AT THIS POINT IS, UM, IN, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO RESPOND TO ME OR AGAIN, WHATEVER THERE IS, ARE AN INDEPENDENT AGENCY, BUT I WOULD SAY THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THE, UM, QUITE FRANKLY, IS THE VIOLENCE THAT PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT OPENLY ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE THAT THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS.

NOBODY SAID, HEY, NO, WE SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT LYNCHING PEOPLE IN THEIR FRONT YARD.

NOBODY FROM THE CHAMBER SAID THAT THAT'S ON THEIR WEBPAGE, THAT'S ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE.

THEY DIDN'T SAY IT.

BUT SOMEBODY DID WHO READS THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE.

SOMEONE MADE THAT STATEMENT AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE CHAMBER

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SAYING, HEY, THIS ISN'T RIGHT.

WE SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

THAT IS, THAT IS ON A BIGGER SCALE.

THAT'S MY BIGGER CONCERN.

THEY CAN DEAL WITH THEIR MEMBERS.

AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO SAY THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO SAY.

WE'RE ALL ABOUT TO SAY THINGS WE WANT TO SAY.

THERE'S CONSEQUENCES TO THE THINGS THAT WE SAY.

AND IN THE TIME PERIOD OF WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY SENSITIVE TO WHAT WE SAY AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T FIND WHAT WAS SAID OFFENSIVE, I THINK IS THE WHOLE REASON THAT THEY'RE PROTESTING TO BEGIN WITH.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE DON'T GET THAT, BUT PEOPLE THINK THAT WASN'T OFFENSIVE WHEN THEY READ THOSE THINGS.

IF YOU'RE A BUSINESSMAN, DITCH YOUR JACKET, ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES AND BLEND IN WITH THE CROWD THAT'S OFFENSIVE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY IT, BUT THERE'S CONSEQUENCES TO THAT.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, IT WAS MR. BIRCH.

YES.

UM, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I WAS, UH, OFFENDED AND DISAPPOINTED IN, IN THE CHAMBERS POST, UM, TO SEE A HEADACHE ON A PUBLICATION FROM THEM THAT STARTS OUT BY SAYING RIOTS SAFETY TIPS FOR BUSINESSES, SORT OF SETS AN EXPECTATION IN ITSELF.

UM, THE CHAMBER DID NOT CONVEY IN ANY OF WHAT I SAW POSTED THAT THEY HAD COORDINATED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DIVISION TO FIND OUT HOW THEY WERE PLANNING, UH, FOR THE DEMONSTRATION.

AND CONSEQUENTLY, NONE OF THAT WAS CONVEYED IN THEIR, UH, CORRESPONDENCE TO THEIR BUSINESSES.

AND AS A FORMER POLICE PERSON, I WOULD THINK THAT HE WOULD BE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT, UH, THE POLICE WOULD GO OUT AND TALK TO ALL THE BUSINESSES AND, AND GIVE THEM INSIGHT INTO HOW TO DEAL WITH VARIOUS SCENARIOS.

AND FOR HIS CORRESPONDENTS TO SIMPLY DISCUSS RIOTS, UH, TO ME, IS, IS INCENDIARY.

IT'S IT JUST, IT JUST RUBBED ME THE WRONG WAY.

MMM.

THE RESULTS OF SUCH A DISCUSSION WOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, A BETTER AND A MORE POSITIVE MESSAGE FOR THEM TO SEND TO THEIR MEMBERS AND INSTEAD OF A MESSAGE THAT PROMOTED PEACE AND UNITY, IT CAME ACROSS AS PLANNING FOR A POTENTIAL RIOT.

AND IT, AND THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN GET AROUND THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MENTION A PEACE IN UNITY OR AN ALTERNATE WAY OF DEALING WITH THE, UH, UH, AND DEALING WITH THE, UH, SITUATION AS IT WAS.

UM, AND FINALLY, I FEEL LIKE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE CANNOT SUCCESSFULLY AND PRODUCTIVELY REPRESENT THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

IF IT WON'T COMMUNICATE AND COORDINATE WITH CITY STAFF AND OUR PUBLIC