* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. IT IS MONDAY, [ AGENDA ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road September 21, 2026 6:30 P.M. ] SEPTEMBER 21ST AT 6:30 PM I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION TO ORDER. I'M SARAH CHAPMAN, THE CHAIR, AND WE WILL START WITH A ROLL CALL. IF I MAY START FROM MY LEFT, PLEASE TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE AND SAY YOUR NAME. SHOULD I KOTH? MELISSA GWEN, GREG FOX, WENDY NAPP, MASON KNICKERBOCKER. THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR OPENING REMARKS. I WILL LET YOU KNOW, UM, SORT OF A GOOD NEWS, BAD NEWS THING. UH, BAD NEWS. WE HAVE HAD, UH, TWO OF OUR MEMBERS WHO HAVE HAD TO CALL OUT SICK AND OUR NEW MEMBER WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS BECAUSE WE ARE FULLY STAFFED AS A COMMISSION FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY, YOU KNOW, MANY YEARS, WE CAN STILL GET SOME OF OUR WORK DONE. I WILL BE, UH, PLAYING FAST AND LOOSE WITH THE AGENDA TONIGHT AND IT'S MAYBE A SOMEWHAT ABBREVIATED MEETING, BUT WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE MAKING SOME REALLY GOOD HEADWAY. SO, UH, AT THIS TIME I WOULD RECOGNIZE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS, SEEING NONE ON THE FLOOR. DO WE HAVE ANY SENT IN SARAH? NO. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. OLD BUSINESS. I'M BRINGING UP AN OLDIE, BUT A GOODIE, OUR MURAL PROJECT WHERE WHEN LAST WE MET, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THIS MURAL PROJECT WE HAD CONTRACTED WITH A THIRD PARTY COMPANY. IT WAS GOING TO BE AT, UH, LEE'S CHICKEN AND IT WOULD BE A TOPIC HONORING WAYNE ATHLETES. ALL OF THAT MOSTLY STILL REMAINS EXCEPT, UM, OUR CITY ATTORNEYS SAID BECAUSE IT WAS, WELL, WE WANNA HEAR, OH, THEY DIDN'T WANT IT. WE WANT IT. HEAR. OH, THEY DIDN'T WANT IT. OH, WE'LL DO LEE'S AND, UH, LEE'S IS A WONDERFUL CORPORATE CITIZEN. WE WANT TO ENSURE THERE IS NO WHIFF OF, UH, FAVORITISM OR QUID PRO QUO. SO WE NEED TO OPEN A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. SARAH, DO YOU WANNA SAY MORE ABOUT HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK? YES. SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A FORM TO PUT ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE SO THAT ANY, UM, PROPERTY OWNER IN THE COMMUNITY COULD SIGN UP TO BE EITHER PART OF THIS MURAL INSTALLATION. AND THEN WE WOULD BRING IT BACK FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION IF WE HAVE MULTIPLE INTERESTED PARTIES. OR WE CAN ALSO ADD ON THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU MAYBE NOT INTERESTED IN A MURAL, BUT FUTURE PUBLIC ART INSTALLATIONS. AND THAT MIGHT BE A REALLY GOOD WAY TO BEGIN BUILDING OUR ADDRESS BOOK FOR THINGS LIKE THE NUTCRACKER, OR PERHAPS THEY CAN'T DO A MURAL, BUT THEY COULD DO SMALLER INSTALLATIONS OR THEY'D LIKE BE INTERESTED IN GARDENING OR WHATEVER. WE CAN PUT SOME MULTIPLE CHOICE KIND OF THINGS ON THERE JUST TO BUILD THAT ADDRESS BOOK. UM, AND TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, IF THERE IS ANOTHER BUSINESS OUT THERE THAT DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY THEY COULD PUT IN FOR THIS MURAL AS WELL. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CONCERNS KNOWING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THAT STEP? ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. IT DOES SOMEWHAT IN MY MIND. ARE WE SETTING, PUTTING OURSELVES BACK? I MEAN, DID WE HAVE A TARGET DATE FOR THIS OR WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A TARGET DATE FOR THIS. WE'RE ALREADY RUNNING SLOWER THAN, UH, INITIALLY PLANNED. IT'S, IT'S BEEN BUDGETED FOR AND THERE'S STILL MANY STEPS TO GO. SO IF THIS DELAYS US FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, SIX WEEKS WHILE WE HAVE THE, THE PUBLIC INPUT PERIOD AND THEN WE COME BACK TO OUR MEETING AND LIKE, YAY. UM, I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S A PROJECT KILLER. OKAY. BUT SIX WEEKS DELAY PUTS US INTO FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER, WHICH IS REALLY DICEY TRYING TO DO PAINTING OUTDOORS. OH YEAH, WE'RE NOT, OH, THIS ISN'T HAPPENING, UH, UNTIL 27. IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIVE TILL 27. VERY GOOD THEN. I HAVE NO ISSUES. OKAY THEN, UM, IF THERE IS NO, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AS, UH, SUGGESTED BY OUR ATTORNEYS. SO MOVED. MAY I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. CARRIED. ALL RIGHT. UM, NOW THE 2027 PROGRAM LOAD THIS, I'M GOING TO TABLE FOR A FUTURE MEETING. JONAH, SARAH IS VERY KEY TO THIS. CHERYL IS VERY KEY TO THIS. WE'RE GONNA TABLE THIS FOR, UH, NEXT MEETING, BUT I HAVE TAKEN A STEP THAT I WOULD LIKE AN AFFIRMING VOTE ON. UM, PART OF THE [00:05:01] SEQUENCE THAT WE DO THESE THINGS IS LETTING OUR PARKS REPRESENTATIVE KNOW ABOUT WHAT WE WANT BUDGET WISE. UH, LOOKING AT 27, WE HAVE RECOMMENDED A SIMILAR BUDGETARY ASK OF $12,000. AND, UM, KNOWING THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE, UH, NUTCRACKERS ARE GONNA BE, THERE'S A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM IN THERE. AND IF THIS IS A REALLY GREAT IDEA, WHICH IT REALLY IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY'VE NEVER SAID NO TO US, SO IT'S NOT LIKE, OH, WE OUTTA MONEY FOLK. BUT THAT WAS JUST A NUMBER ON THE, THE SCREEN. UM, ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS OR OBJECTIONS TO THAT INSTRUCTION? WELL, HERE'S MY CONCERN IS THESE THINGS, THESE GINGERBREAD MEN, I'D BE SURPRISED IF WE GOT BY FOR LESS THAN THREE TO $5,000. UH, SO PERHAPS MAYBE WE OUGHT TO THROW A MINIMUM OF THREE GRAND INTO THIS 12. UM, IF I CAN SPEAK TO THE TIMELINE A LITTLE BIT. SURE. UM, THE, THE $12,000 THAT WAS ACTUALLY, I LOOKED BACK, IT WAS 11 FIVE THIS YEAR THAT, UM, WAS PUT IN FOR, AND QUITE A BIT OF IT HAS GONE UNSPENT. UM, SO THERE IS, UM, THERE IS WIGGLE ROOM WITHIN THAT 12,000 AND PER TIMELINE. I KNOW JOE WAS GONNA LOOK AT A QUOTE FOR US, AND HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT. I DO NEED TO PUT IN MY FIRST ROUND OF BUDGET ON FRIDAY, BUT IN OCTOBER I WILL HAVE A MEETING ON THAT BUDGET. AND SO IF WE GET A QUOTE BACK FROM JOE THAT SURPRISES US, I WOULD BE ABLE TO AMEND MY BUDGET REQUEST LIVE RIGHT THERE ON THE SPOT IN THAT MEETING AND TALK THROUGH IT. UM, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S PLANNED TO HAVE A REVENUE COMPONENT. SO, UM, WHEN YOU DO YOUR BUDGETING, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE EXPENSE THAT YOU NEED, BUT YOU'RE APT TO GET IT IF THERE IS GONNA BE REVENUE COMING IN ON THE SIDE. SO I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THEY WOULDN'T INCREASE IT EITHER IN THAT OCTOBER MEETING OR IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION, WHICH IS JUST TAKING IT TO COUNCIL IN THE SPRING. UM, I THINK WE WOULD BE OKAY KNOWING THAT THE PLAN IS TO RECOUP THE MONEY. WE WOULD PROBABLY GET THAT NO PROBLEM. MY, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS I DIDN'T WANNA GET INTO A POSITION WHERE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF BACK AND FORTHING MM-HMM . 'CAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, REALLY IT NEEDS TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND I FORESEE THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MINIMUM OF ABOUT 10 MONTHS FROM THE TIME WE ORDER THESE GINGERBREAD MEN TO DELIVERY DATE. SO WE WOULD WANT TO START THIS, I FORESEE WE WOULD WANNA START THIS IN FEBRUARY FOR AN EXPECTED DELIVERY OF, OF NOVEMBER OF 27. AND I IMAGINE WE'RE PAYING UPON RECEIPT ALSO. AND THERE WOULD STILL, THERE WOULD BE TIME TOO. OKAY. TO GET THE BUDGET POTENTIALLY, SINCE WE'VE GOT SO MUCH UNSPENT, IF WE, UH, FIND A LOCATION AND CAN MAKE A DEPOSIT OUT OF THIS YEAR'S FUNDS OR BY THE SAMPLE THAT YOU, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AT THE CHRISTMAS THIS YEAR. UM, IF THEY COULD TURN IT AROUND IN TIME, THERE WOULD BE, THERE IS FUNDS LEFT FOR THAT? YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE ACTUAL THING. I MEAN, A CARDBOARD MOCKUP WOULD BE, UM, FINE. IT JUST, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE TWO 50TH COMMITTEE IS THAT IT WOULD BE VERY NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A BOOTH, HAVE THE MOCKUP AND THEN START SOLICITING THIS YEAR TO GET SPONSORS FOR NEXT YEAR. AND THIS WOULD BE A GREAT TIME. PEOPLE ARE IN THE, IN THE HOLIDAY SPIRIT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY'RE GONNA SAY, OH, I'LL PUT THAT OFF TILL NEXT YEAR IF WE GOT IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. YES. I WOULD ALSO BE, I UNDERSTAND WE WANT TO GET, UH, PEOPLE'S ATTENTION TO IT THIS FALL, BUT ALSO LET'S SAY EACH ONE OF THESE THINGS IS $3,000 EACH AND WE WANNA SELL 10 THE FIRST YEAR. I THINK IT'S HARDER TO GO NOW AND SAY, CAN YOU PUT $30,000 IN MY BUDGET THAT I HAVE REALLY NOTHING TO BACK UP THAT ASK INSTEAD IN THE SPRING, KNOWING DEFINITIVELY THAT THEY ARE $3,000 AND WE'RE TRYING TO SELL 10 AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT EIGHT BUSINESSES SIGNED UP. UM, THAT WOULD BE EASIER TO THEN GO TO COUNCIL AND ASK FOR 30,000. OH SURE. BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT GETTING SPONSORS THIS YEAR. MM-HMM . I JUST THINK THAT THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS TO JUMPSTART THIS YEAR WHILE WE HAVE PEOPLE THERE AT THE FESTIVAL. SO I DO WANNA, UM, I I DO WANNA TABLE ANY SPECIFIC LIKE PROGRAMMING ON THIS UNTIL JOE'S WITH US. 'CAUSE HE'S THE CHAMPION OF IT. UH, WE DO HAVE THE BUDGET THIS YEAR TO PRE-PURCHASE A SAMPLE AND TO DO THOSE THINGS. SO, UH, WE'LL TAKE THAT DEFINITELY AS A FUTURE ACTION NEXT [00:10:01] MONTH WHEN WE DEEP DIVE INTO THIS. BUT I WANNA STAY ON THE BUDGET QUESTION. UM, IS 11 FIVE SUFFICIENT ISH KNOWING THAT WE CAN MAKE A NEW ASK OR AN AMENDED ASK WHEN WE HAVE, UH, UM, WHEN WE HAVE FIGURES? OR DO WE WANT TO GIVE AN INSTRUCTION OF LIKE, NO, I'LL MAKE IT 15 AND CROSS YOUR FINGERS WHAT FEELS RIGHT? I HAVE A POINT OF VIEW, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA RAILROAD EVERYBODY. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GO AHEAD AND ASK FOR 15 NOW WE CAN AMEND IT AS WE GET MORE DATA ON THIS ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE. YEAH, I MAY I GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE, WE CAN MAKE, UH, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF A QUESTION ON 15? I DO. DO WE NEED A SECOND BEFORE WE DISCUSS? WHAT DO WE NEED TO HAVE A SECOND BEFORE WE DISCUSS? UM, BEFORE WE MAKE THE MOTION, I'M ASKING ARE THERE ANY LIKE, HEY, BUT WAIT, I HAVE A THOUGHT. 'CAUSE I DO, UH, SARAH, I ONLY WANT YOUR PERSPECTIVE. UM, I HAVE A TENDENCY TO TRY AND NOT OVER ASK AT A BUDGET. 'CAUSE THEN THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THAT'S SILLY. WE AIN'T GIVING YOU THAT. UH, IF WE GO FROM 11 FIVE TO 15 WITHOUT, UH, A WRITTEN BUSINESS PLAN, WILL THE COUNCIL POO IT? AND I SEE THERE'S, UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH IS UNSPENT AT THIS POINT OF THE 11 FIVE? OH, A LOT OF YOUR BUDGET IS UNSPENT. OH YEAH. WE'VE, WE'VE SPENT VERY LITTLE. I DO THINK, I THINK MASON MIGHT NOT SPEAK FOR HIM. BE USING A LITTLE BIT ON THE TREES. THAT WAS, THERE WAS 2,500 A YEAR MARKED FOR THAT. UM, AND THEN THERE'S QUITE A BIT, UM, LEFT UNSPENT FROM THE ART SHOW MOSTLY. YEAH, WE THOUGHT WE'D SPEND IN THE THOUSANDS, WE SPENT IN THE HUNDREDS. I THINK SO. , I'M SORRY I THAT OFF OFFHAND. YEAH. UM, I WAS THINKING WHENEVER I'VE DONE BUDGETS, I'VE ALWAYS ASKED FOR MORE AND THEN USUALLY THEY COME DOWN TO WHAT I WANT. UM, AS FAR AS THE ART SHOW GOES, WE'VE, EVERYTHING WE PURCHASED PRETTY MUCH WE CAN USE AGAIN. MM-HMM . I WOULD JUST BE REQUESTING MORE OF THE, THE DISPLAY AT RACKS MAYBE THREE OR FOUR MORE. AND THEN OF COURSE IF YOU WANNA MAKE IT BIGGER AND DO OTHER THINGS WITH IT, LIKE THE JAZZ THING OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT MONEY TOWARD THAT AS WELL. UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, I WOULD WANT A LITTLE MORE MEAT BEHIND WHY WE'RE GOING TO 15. IF WE KNEW THAT THE COST OF ONE WAS 3,500 AND THEN PERFECTLY 15, SO WE WANNA BUY ONE OFF THE BAT, I COULD JUSTIFY THAT. HOWEVER, IF WE THINK WE'RE GONNA SELL 10, 15, 20, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL FOR THE 30 OR 60,000 OR HOWEVER IT COULD POSSIBLY BE. UM, SO IF WE'RE GOING TO COUNCIL ANYWAY, I WOULD RATHER GO WITH THE, THE MORE SUBSTANTIATED DOLLAR AMOUNT OF 11 FIVE. MY INCLINATION IS SINCE WE HAVE SO MUCH UNSPENT, IS TO STICK WITH WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR FOR THE ASK RIGHT NOW, OR 12,000 IF THAT'S PREFERRED TO THE 11 FIVE. SO WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE PREPARED MOTION TO GO FOR 15. WE HAVE ONE PREPARED MOTION TO GO FOR 11 FIVE. ANY OTHER CONVERSATION AROUND THIS? ACTUALLY, I WOULD GO WITH WHATEVER THE GROUP WANTS TO GO WITH. OKAY. I DID HAVE A QUESTION. THE, I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE GINGERBREAD MEN, WERE THE BUSINESSES FRONT LOADING THE MONEY TO BUY THEIR OWN OR WERE WE BUYING IT AND THEN THEY PAY US BACK? IS THAT WHAT UM, AGAIN, JOE'S NOT HERE, BUT UH, I BELIEVE WE WOULD BE BUYING IT AS THE CITY AND THEN BUSINESSES WOULD SPONSOR IT AND WOULD PAY. SO THAT'S THE REVENUE ELEMENT. OKAY. THANKS. I BELIEVE, BUT, BUT IF WE CAN GET SOME BUSINESSES OR ORGANIZATIONS TO COMMIT TO SOME OF THAT UPFRONT MONEY, WE CERTAINLY AREN'T GONNA SAY NO. RIGHT? UM, HOW ABOUT IF I SPLIT THE BABY AND TO TRY AND FIND A MIDDLE GROUND SINCE WE'RE ALL JUST KINDA STICKING OUR FINGER IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW WITHOUT A A DEEPER QUOTE, COULD WE, UM, 13 FIVE. 13 FIVE. WOULD SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION FOR 13? FIVE MOVED? ANY SECOND? SECOND. [00:15:02] ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? PAY US. OKAY. OKAY. SO THEN, UH, THAT'S THE PROGRAM'S WORK ALSO RELATED TO THAT, THE ARTS MASTER PLAN ITEM FIVE C UH, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IS, UH, FUTURE WORK. THAT IS, UM, IT IS WHY WE'VE SOMEWHAT TABLED THE, UH, POLICY CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THE MASTER PLANNING WILL, UH, GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION THERE AGAIN, UH, SARAH WILL COME TO A FUTURE MEETING WITH MORE DETAILS ON THAT. WE ARE NOT GONNA DEEP DIVE TODAY. ALL RIGHT. NEW BUSINESS. YOU WERE GIVEN A HANDOUT THAT IS A PHOTOCOPY FROM THE, UH, HANDBOOK YOU ALL GOT, BUT IT WAS JUST, IT WAS WORTH LIKE PULLING THESE OUT. THIS IS, UH, VERY SHORT, BUT IT IS SEPTEMBER IN OUR DECEMBER MEETING. WE GENERAL GENERALLY ALI VOTE ON OFFICERS FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. I'VE BEEN CHAIR FOR TWO YEARS. I HAVE A THREE YEAR WARRANT. I HAVE ONE YEAR LEFT ON MY WARRANT. AND SO I THINK IT APPROPRIATE THAT I DO NOT RUN FOR CHAIR. AND WE HAVE A NEW CHAIR AND THEN I WILL HAVE ANOTHER YEAR SITTING ON THE COMMISSION AS YOUR SUPPORT. AND SO I WANTED TO JUST GIVE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, DOG AND PONY FOR HOW I HAVE DONE SOME OF THE CHAIRSHIP. YOU SEE THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENTS HERE AND EVERY PERSON CAN, CAN MAKE IT THEIR OWN. I GENERALLY HAVE, UM, MAYBE NOT EVERY MONTH, BUT PRETTY REGULARLY. SARAH AND I WILL HAVE A MONTHLY MEETING. UM, IF THERE'S A QUESTION, SHE WILL TEXT ME. I KNOW THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN A CHAMPION FOR A PROJECT, SHE WILL DO THE SAME FOR YOU. IT'S LIKE BEING A CHAMPION FOR THE COMMITTEE VERSUS BEING A CHAMPION FOR THE PROJECT. UM, YOU WILL A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR GIVE A REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. I'LL BE DOING THAT TOMORROW NIGHT. YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO ATTEND. UM, WE FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. I FOLLOW SARAH'S RULES OF ORDER , SO IT'S NOT HARD AND FAST. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS, UM, IN MY MIND, IN MY THING IS OUR RELATIONSHIPS HERE. THIS IS A WEIRD FORMAL THING. WE'RE ON CAMERA AND WE SEE EACH OTHER A COUPLE HOURS A MONTH. BUT THE, THE POSITIVE INTERACTIONS WE HAVE, THE LITTLE BIT OF LAUGHTER WE HAVE ONCE IN A WHILE, BRINGING STACKS AND CHAIRING IT MAKES THIS NOT ONEROUS AND IT MAKES IT NOT LIKE, OH GOD, ANOTHER MEETING. AND, UM, IF I COULD GIVE ONE, LIKE IF YOU'RE THINKING OF BEING, YOU KNOW, PUTTING YOURSELF FORWARD FOR CHAIR, THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD SHEPHERD OUR RELATIONSHIPS. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY COME OUT AT SOME MEATY STUFF. WE MAY DISAGREE. AND SO HOW YOU, HOW YOU SHEPHERD THOSE CONVERSATIONS. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. WE ARE ABOUT TO HAVE A FULL COMMITTEE AND I THINK IT'S PARTIALLY BECAUSE PEOPLE DIDN'T COME TO ONE MEETING AND GO, I'M OUT. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT CONTINUES AND I WILL BE A SUPPORT. BUT, UM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE ROLES LOOK LIKE, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CONVERSATION OR QUESTION. BUT I'M BRINGING THIS UP NOW IN SEPTEMBER SO THAT, UH, IN THE NOVEMBER MEETING WE COULD PERHAPS, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, HEY, WHO ARE WE GONNA NOMINATE? LIKE LET'S SOME KNOW SO WE CAN LIKE OFFICIALLY KNOW THAT IN IN THE DECEMBER MEETING AND BRING THEM IN CONVERSATION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. THERE'S NO SHAME IN SAYING, I WANT THE JOB. NO, SOMEONE WILL NOMINATE YOU. THERE IS, YOU CAN SAY IT. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. MASON KNICKERBOCKER . I WAS GETTING GOOD EYE CONTACT, SO I JUST, I JUST CALLED YOU OUT . UM, YEAH, HONESTLY, WHEN I CAME INTO MY LITERAL FIRST MEETING AND IT WAS OKAY, WE NEED TO VOTE IN A CHAIR, AND I OPENED MY MOUTH ABOUT A TOPIC AND CHERYL WAS LIKE, WELL, SHE SOUNDS LIKE SHE'D BE A GOOD CHAIR. AND I'M JUST EGOTISTICAL ENOUGH TO BE LIKE, YEAH, I WOULD BE A GOOD CHAIR . SO, UH, CHERYL HAS BEEN MY, UH, BUT I ALSO KNEW THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW. SO I ASKED IF CHERYL, OUR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR LONGER TERM MEMBERS WOULD BE A VICE CHAIR. SO IF YOU'RE A NEWER MEMBER THINKING ABOUT A VICE CHAIR, SOMEBODY WHO CAN, LIKE IF I'M OUT, CAN RUN A MEETING FOR YOU. [00:20:01] IT'S A, IT'S A NICE THING TO DO. WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS HAD ONE, BUT IT DOES, IT DOES HELP. UM, ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT IS THAT TOPIC. UM, ADDITIONAL BUSINESS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS I DID CALL OUT TOMORROW NIGHT IS OUR ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION REPORT BEFORE COUNCIL, UH, I WILL BE SHARING THAT WE ARE FULLY STAFFED. YAY. ALL CELEBRATE. UM, WE WILL BE SHARING THE OPENING OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THE RECOMMENDATION TO PARKS AND REC THAT WE OPEN PUBLIC COMMENTARY ON THE MURAL. UM, AND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR NEXT YEAR, INCLUDING A TEASER ABOUT OUR 2028 CHRISTMAS PLAN. JUST TO SHOW THAT WE ARE NOT IN A, HEY, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO NEXT MONTH? THAT WE ARE A LONG-TERM VISION COMMISSION. ANY OTHER BUSINESS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS? UH, THAT NO. IS THAT GONNA BE AT SIX TOMORROW? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU MASON. UH, I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE BRADFORD PAIR. I DON'T HAVE, WELL, I'VE DONE, YEAH. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO THROW IN A COUPLE THINGS. IF IT COMES UP IN THE MEETING TOMORROW, IF YOU WANT TO THROW EXTRA YES. SAUCE ON WHAT, WHAT'S COMING UP. UH, I MET WITH SARAH AND TALKED THROUGH, UH, WHAT THAT INITIATIVE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE. I HAD AGREED TO CHAMPION AT THE LAST MEETING, SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT OH YEAH. WHAT, UH, WHAT I'VE GOT FOR US. SO, UH, I HAVE IT IN KIND OF TWO PHASES. PHASE ONE IS INFORMATION CAMPAIGN. AND SO WE'LL START HERE THROUGH THIS FALL AND ACROSS THE WINTER, GETTING OUT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE BRADFORD PAIRS AND WHY IT'S A PROBLEM. GATHER SOME OF THE RESOURCES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUT TOGETHER INTO A, A PAMPHLET THAT WE CAN PRINT AND DISTRIBUTE AND TO PUT ONLINE. UM, WE'LL GET THOSE SIGNS THAT, UH, THE WOMAN FROM THE OD NR MENTIONED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TREE COMING SOON EXPLAINING TO THE PUBLIC WHY WE'RE, WE'RE MISSING SO MANY TREES, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN GET BROUGHT TO THOSE, THOSE RESOURCES. AND THEN SOCIAL MEDIA, MAKING SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITY IS CUTTING DOWN THE BRADFORD PARISH, WHICH THE PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK ARE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT DOING, BUT NOT EVERYBODY'S ON FACEBOOK. IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, GOOD PHYSICAL, UH, INFORMATION GOING OUT. UH, AND THAT IS ALL IN PREPARATION FOR THE SPRING. UM, AND UH, WHAT I DISCUSSED WITH SARAH IS DOING A SPRING PICNIC AS WE COME INTO THE PLANTING SEASON SO THAT WE CAN GET IN OUT MORE INFORMATION, KIND OF GET PEOPLE INTO THE MINDSET OF, UH, THE CITY HAS CUT DOWN ALL THEIR BRADFORD PEAS AND IT'S A GOOD THING AND HERE'S WHY. AND THEN ONCE WE GET INTO THE SPRING, SAY, HEY, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, DO YOU WANNA FOLLOW THE CITY'S LEAD AND CUT DOWN YOUR BRADFORD PAIRS? UM, AND THAT WOULD BE THE KICKOFF FOR, UM, UH, THE, THE INTRODUCTION OF BRADFORD BOUNTIES TO, TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CUT DOWN THEIR, UH, TREES AND THEN THEY GET A T-SHIRT FOR IT. UM, T-SHIRTS GENERALLY ADVERTISING THE INITIATIVE AND THE IMPORTANCE OF CUTTING DOWN THE BRADFORD PAIRS. UH, AND THEN WE DISCUSSED A SCHOLARSHIP TO HELP PAY, I GUESS IT WOULDN'T BE A SCHOLARSHIP, IT'D BE A GRANT KIND OF TO PAY FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL PLANNINGS, UH, PLANTINGS. IF PEOPLE SHOW PROOF OF REMOVAL. UM, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING ONE PER WARD AND RESIDENTIAL ZONES. IF PEOPLE SHOW US, HEY, I'VE CUT DOWN A BRADFORD PEAR, WE'LL GIVE YOU ONE, ONE, UH, PERSON PER WARD, WE'LL GET A TREE TO REPLACE THAT. AND THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE OTHER, THE TREE PLANTING STUFF. UM, SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S MY PITCH FOR THE DIFFERENT BRADFORD PAIR THINGS. I'LL COME TO OCTOBER WITH, UM, BUDGET ON THAT. MORE SPECIFICALLY. IT'S NOT GONNA GO OVER THE 2,500 THAT WAS ALLOTTED FOR IT, UH, THIS YEAR, I DON'T BELIEVE. EXCELLENT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR BRADFORD CHAMPION? I WILL SAY I LOVE BRADFORD BOUNTY. I THINK THAT IS, I I'M A BOUNTY HUNTER. LIKE NO, THIS IS THE WAY I'M, I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME DIFFERENT BRANDING THINGS TO MAKE IT, UH, STICK FOR PEOPLE. I'M CALLING THE GENERAL PROJECT OPERATION CALORIE CAST OUT. 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALSO CALLED CALORIE PAIRS. ALL RIGHT. ALLITERATION IS A CALORIE PAIRS OR BRADFORD PAIRS. OH, OKAY. INTERCHANGEABLE. FANTASTIC. ARIS CALL HARRIS. YEAH. SHADAY. UM, I DID EMAIL THE TREASURER OF MR. BRIAN JANSEN AND HE LET ME KNOW IF WE WANTED DO LIKE THE ART GRANT, UM, OR THE SCHOLARSHIP FOR THE SCHOOLS. THEY WOULD CREATE AN ACCOUNT FOR US AND THEN WHEN THE, WE WOULD HAVE THE MONEY, THE SCHOOL BOARD WOULD VOTE THE MONEY IN AND THEY WOULD GO INTO THE ACCOUNT FOR THAT. SO THEY WOULD HOLD THE MONEY THERE. BUT I KNOW YOU WANTED TO KNOW LIKE IF THEY WOULD HAVE AN ACCOUNT SPECIFICALLY FOR US TO PUT OUR MONEY INTO. SO THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. [00:25:02] I LOVE WHEN EVERYONE DOES THEIR HOMEWORK. IT'S SO AMAZING. UM, ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL BUSINESS? UM, I KNOW WE'VE GOT THE TWO 50 TEAMS, WE HAVE THE HISTORICAL COUNCIL. UM, ANY OTHER THINGS YOU'D JUST LIKE TO SHARE WHILE YOU HAVE THE, THE TEAM'S ATTENTION? DID WE TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A TABLE AT THE TREE LIGHTING? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT AT TWO 50. RIGHT. UM, ANY, UM, ANY NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION OR CITY BORDER COMMISSIONS, WELCOME TO HAVE A TABLE TO DO SOMETHING AT THE TREE LIGHTING IF YOU'D LIKE. IF, IF WE ARE GONNA HAVE A CARDBOARD CUTOUT OR SOMETHING BY THEN IT MAKES SENSE. YOU CAN ALSO ALWAYS JUST, IF NO ONE CAN ATTEND, STICK THAT CARDBOARD CUT OUT IN FRONT OF THE PARKS TENT AND WE'LL PUT OUT INFO. UM, AND THEN ALSO ON THAT NOTE, THE HALLOWEEN HAUNTED TRAIL TOO. IF THE GROUP WANTED TO BE A STOP ON A TRAIL. TWOFOLD EVENTS. I SAW A LOT OF HEAD NODS OF A BOOTH IN THE NONPROFIT SECTION OF THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING, KNOWING THAT WE WOULD ALL NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WORK TOGETHER AND STAFF IT SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT, HEY, HERE'S THE REALLY COOL NUTCRACKER THING. YEAH. LIKE, SO I'M GONNA BE WORKING ALL DAY 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING SOMETHING AT THE LIBRARY FOR THE TREE LIGHTING. SO I'M YEAH. OUT. OKAY. WHAT DAY IS THE LIGHTING? SATURDAY, DECEMBER 5TH. WHAT HOURS WOULD WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE SCHEDULED TO, UM, YOU WOULD NEED TO BE THERE PROBABLY BY TWO 30 TO BE COMFORTABLE IF THE EVENT STARTS AT THREE AND ENDS AT SIX. AT SIX IS WHEN THE DRONE SHOW LAUNCHES. SO, YOU KNOW, THE VENDORS ARE ALL TEARING DOWN, BUT MOST PEOPLE ARE STARING AT THE SKY. SO, UM, WHAT I RECOMMEND IS, SINCE WE'VE TABLED THE PROGRAM DISCUSSION, LET'S TENTATIVELY, UH, HOLD A BOOTH AND, UH, LET'S MAKE SURE JOE'S COOL WITH IT. AND THEN EVERYONE CHECK YOUR SCHEDULES AND DECIDE IF YOU CAN WORK AN HOUR OR TWO AS THE, UH, NUTCRACKER HYPE PERSON, GINGERBREAD HYPE, WHATEVER, WHICHEVER ONE WE'RE DOING. I CAN'T KEEP A TRACK. MY BRAIN IS SWISS CHEESE. UM, OKAY. SO WE'LL DO THAT. ANYTHING ELSE? UH, WENDY AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT THE DATE FOR THE ART SHOW. WHAT DID WE DECIDE OR, I COULDN'T REMEMBER SO I WASN'T GONNA BRING IT UP. IT WAS, IT'S IN OUR EMAIL EMAILED AND I, I AM CHECKING ON IT. OKAY. . WE WILL INCLUDE THAT IN NEXT MONTH'S, UH, DEEP DIVE INTO OUR PROGRAMS. AWESOME. ANY DESIRE TO BE A STOP BELONG TO OR HAPPY HAUNTED TRAIL? I KNOW THAT I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT. I AM, I AM BOOKED SOLID. UM, OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT WOULD THAT ENTAIL? UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR CREATIVITY IS, UM, APPRECIATED, YOU KNOW, WILL BE APPRECIATED. BUT JUST, UM, PEOPLE MEANDER THROUGH COMMUNITY PARK. IT IS MADE FOR CHILDREN. SO IT IS LAUGHING. IT IS NOT SCARY. AND, UM, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WE HAD A WITCH AND SHE GAVE OUT LITTLE STUFFED KITTENS, UH, 'CAUSE SHE WAS, YOU KNOW, A WITCH WITH TOO MANY CATS. YOU KNOW, SO CUTE. MOLLY SAID, WE'RE NOT GIVING OUT CANDY. WE'RE NOT GIVING OUT CANDY. UM, BORING. IT'S NOT A TRUNK OR TREAT SITUATION. SO NO NEED TO COME WITH LIKE A BAG. UM, YOU KNOW, NOT OPPOSED TO THE KIDS GETTING A PIECE OR TWO ALONG THE WAY IF IT'S THEMATIC TO YOUR STOP. BUT, UM, IT IS, IT IS A HAUNTED TRAIL. BUT FOR SMALL CHILDREN OR PEOPLE WITH WHO MIGHT NOT LOVE BEING SCARED, A BRADFORD PAIR, AN ANGRY BRADFORD PAIR AND WE CAN INDOCTRINATE THEM. WHY THE PAIR IS BAD. YOU COULD GIVE OUT WHAT IS THAT PAIRS AND YES, YOU COULD GIVE OUT GOOD PAIRS. YEAH. MM-HMM . NOT THE SAME PAIR. OR WE COULD HAVE TALKING TREES LIKE THE WIZARD OF OZ THAT WOULD THROW PAIRS AT PEOPLE. IT IS OCTOBER 23RD WITH A RED, THROWING PAIRS AT CHILDREN MIGHT BE A BAD IDEA. NO, NO. MASON, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. OCTOBER 23RD, RAIN OUT DATE OF OCTOBER 30TH. AND WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL IS A WAY FOR BOTH OF THOSE NIGHTS FOR FOOTBALL. SO IF THAT MATTERED TO ANYONE, I RECOGNIZE THAT PEOPLE HAVE PRETTY FULL CALENDARS. SO, UM, IF YOU WANT TO EMAIL SARAH AND REPLY TO ALL SO THAT EVERYBODY IS, AND SARAH, THAT YOU ARE FREE AND INTERESTED AND WE'LL SEE IF WE HAVE ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT WORK AND THEN WE CAN COME UP WITH AN IDEA. COOL. [00:30:04] THANK YOU. THE LAST ITEM IS THE MEETING MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH. THESE WERE PROVIDED AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS BASED ON WHAT WERE PROVIDED? TEEN. TINY CORRECTION. UM, NUMBER NINE, UPCOMING MEETINGS. SEPTEMBER 21ST, NOT 21ST. UH, , WHAT WAS THE CORRECTION? IT SAYS 21ST. SO WHERE'S, OH, 21 COMMA. WOW. OKAY. MAN. I'M NEVER LETTING YOU PROOFREAD ANY OF MY STUFF. . NEVER ASK THE LIBRARIAN. YEAH. OR ALWAYS PROOFREAD MY CRAP. ANY OTHER ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? THEN? UH, IF I MAY HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED. SO MOVED. MAY I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. A ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT MEETING IS OCTOBER THE 19TH. IT IS GOING TO BE A DEEP DIVE INTO ALL THINGS PROGRAM COMMITTEE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? GINGERBREAD PERSON IS GONNA BE A, A BIG PART OF IT. I, I DARE YA. TO PULL OUT YOUR UGLY CHRISTMAS SWEATER. OOH, I LOVE IT. IN THE MIDDLE OF SPOOKY SEASON, WEAR YOUR CHRISTMAS TO OCTOBER. JUST FOR FUN. JUST FOR CRAPS AND GIGGLES. REMEMBER THAT WHOLE RELATIONAL THING? YEAH. THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN, UH, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOME COOKIES OR SOMETHING. OKAY. WITH THAT, UH, SEEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. ANY SECONDS? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? BE QUIET. MOTION CARRIED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.