Aug 03, 2026 Council Work Session

[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]

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>>> OKAY, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION. TODAY IS AUGUST 3RDRD SPT 2026.

WE ARE GETTING STARTED AT:02. THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY STARTED TO ORDER SO WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE?

>> MR. DAVIDSON. >> PRESENT.

>> MS. BAKEER? MR. CAMPBELL?

>> HERE. >> MRS. BYRGE.

>> HERE. >> MAYOR GORE.

>> HERE. >> MR. AIKENS.

>> OKAY SO WE ARE MISSING THREE OF OUR COLLEAGUES THIS EVENING BUT THEY HAVE ALL LET US KNOW AND GIVEN US THE REASON WHY THEY AREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND. NOT NECESSARY FOR A WORK SESSION BUT WANT THE REST OF COUNCIL TO KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH US. AS TO WHY THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT. BEFORE WE GET INTO THE-- I'LL CALL TIGHT MEAT AND POTATOES OF THE MEETING.

WE DO HAVE A PRETTY HEFTY AGENDA THIS EVENING.

BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

JUST ITEMS THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDERER TO BE TOPICS OF INTEREST FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND I KIND OF WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE. AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME NEWS MEDIA HERE BASED ON SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON AROUND-- SEVEN SPECIFICALLY.

BUT THEN ALSO SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING HOW CITY COUNCIL MAKES DECISIONS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE TRANSPARENT AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME THINGS. SO I'M GOING TO SPEND SOME TIME ON THIS. SO I WOULD ASK AND HOPE THAT EVERYONE KIND OF BEARS WITH ME AS I GO THROUGH SOME OF THIS.

SOME MIGHT BE DETAILED. I'M GOING TO BE LISTENING-- LISTING OFF SOME DIFFERENT ORDINANCE NUMBERS AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT IN THE END I PROMISE THIS IS ALL VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION. SO ON MARCH 20 OF 2026, ORC 9 6 WAS AMENDED THROUGH HOUSE BILL 184.

NEW LANGUAGE BROADLY STATED THAT INFORMATION SUBMITTED TO A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION, PORT AUTHORITY OR TAX INCENTIVE REVIEW COUNSELLED BY AN APPLICANT OR RECIPIENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE INCLUDING ASSISTANCE SUCH AS GRANTS, EXEMPTIONS, CREDITS, LOANS, AWARDERS, COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS OR SIMILAR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE IS CONFIDENTIAL AND NOT PUBLIC RECORD UNDER ORC 149.43.

THIS INFORMATION IS MADE CONFIDENTIAL BY STATUTE.

THE PRESENT OR FORMER PUBLIC OFFICIAL OR EMPLOYEE WHO DISCLOSES OR USES IT WITHOUT APPROPRIATE AUTHORIZATION MAY VIOLATE ORC102.03. B, A VIOLATION OF ORC102.3 MAY BE PROSECUTED AS A FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOR UNDER ORC 102.99B.

MYSELF FOR ONE WISH NOT TO COMMIT ANY CRIMES.

OR BE PROSECUTED FOR ANY TYPE OF MISDEMEANOR UNDER THIS NEW LAW.

ALEX, YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE AS THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER THAT HANDLES FINANCE AND OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAMS, I'M GOING TO ASK YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THIS LAW WAS ACTUALLY PASSED OR CHANGED IN

MARCH? >> SO MY OPINION IS IN MARCH WHERE THE LEGISLATOR TOOK THESE ACTIONS AND THE LAW WENT INTO EFFECT AS YOU STATED MARCH 20TH BECAUSE THE STATE OF OHIO IS COMPETING FOR BUSINESSES WITH OTHER STATES.

AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE STATE OF OHIO WAS FOR EXAMPLE IF WE WERE TRYING, WE AS THE STATE OF OHIO, WAS TRYING TO BRING A BUSINESS TO OUR STATE, THE OTHER STATE THAT WAS TRYING TO EITHER KEEP THEM OR COURT THEM WOULD BE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, SEE WHAT WAS BEING NEGOTIATED AND OFFER EITHER THE SAME OR BETTER THE OFFER. NOW, THIS EXTENDS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT. SO WE COMPETE LOCALLY FOR BUSINESSES TO COME TO CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS WITH OTHER CITIES AND OUR COMMUNITY IN THE GREATER MIAMI VALLEY AREA.

AND THEY SIMPLY AS WE ARE NEGOTIATING AND SENDING E-MAILS AND LOOKING HOW TO OUT-PERFORM US.

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SO ONE OF THE THINGS OUR LEGISLATOR DID WAS TO PROVIDE A PROTECTION, A LEVEL OF PROTECTION NOT ONLY OF COURTING BUSINESSES FROM OTHER STATES TO COME TO THE STATE OF OHIO, BUT ALSO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LOCAL LEVEL.

WE OFFER AS A CITY, PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER CITIES AND THEN SOME CASES TOWNSHIPS AND COUNTIES CAN OFFER.

WE OFFER THE ALPHABET SOUP JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

>> WE USE THE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX.

>> YES THAT ARE THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY.

WE HAVE TIFFS AND CRAS. WE HAVE ENTERPRISE ZONES.

WE HAVE NOW NCA WHICH OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE HAD BEFORE US.

WHAT WE DON'T OFFER, WHAT OTHER CITIES DO OFFER LOCALLY IS INCOME TAX REBATES OR CREDITS. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE OFFER HERE AT THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

SO I WILL TELL YOU IN MY 35 YEARS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THIS IS-- AND TONY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG AND WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC RECORDS BECAUSE HE'S THE EXPERT, THIS IS THE ONLY EXEMPTION THAT I'VE SEEN COME OUT THAT ACTUALLY IS TIED TO A FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOR. WHICH MEANS IF I MESS UP AND SAY SOMETHING LIKE AT A COUNCIL MEETING, I CAN BE CHARGED WITH A FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOR. BY VIOLATING THE BUSINESS RIGHTS OF KEEPING THIS INFORMATION CONFIDENTIAL.

NOW IF I RELEASED-- AND THE SAME THING FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES. COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, VILLAGE COUNCILS, THEY ARE ALL HELD TO THE SAME STATUS AND LAW.

THE BUSINESS HAS TO WAIVE THIS EXEMPTION FOR US TO PRESENT IT TO YOU AS A COUNCIL. SO IF YOU RECALL, THE CANAL HEIGHTS LEGISLATION PASSED A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO.

THAT ALMOST GOT POOLED BECAUSE OF THE NEW LAW.

WE WERE PROVIDING FINANCIAL DATA TO YOU IN A PUBLIC MEETING.

SO WE HAD TO GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPER AND ASK THEM TO WAIVE THIS SECTION. NOW IF THEY REFUSE TO WAIVE IT, THEN WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT IT IN A PUBLIC FORM.

SO THIS IS NEW LAW. OBVIOUSLY JUST PASSED THIS YEAR.

AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S STARTING TO UNDERSTAND IT.

I KNOW I'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH MY TEAM AND STAFF.

EVEN WITH DEVELOPERS WITH OUR LAW DIRECTOR OVER THIS TOPIC.

>> SO PRYER TO-- I'LL JUST ASK-- WHAT TYPE OF-- I'M NOT SPEAKING IN TERMS OF ANY SPECIFIC OR INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS, WHAT TYPE OF PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST DID WE GET IN THE PAST FROM OTHER BUSINESS ENTITIES WHO WERE USING THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAWS JUST AS A WAY TO FIND OUT WHAT WE HAD GOING ON IN THE CITY?

DID THOSE TYPES OF THINGS OCCUR? >> YES.

>> LIKE A LOT? >> ON A REGULAR BASIS WE'D GET WANTING FINANCIAL INFORMATION. YOU KNOW IT'S-- I WOULD RELATE IT TO JUST LIKE OUR TAX DIVISION.

I MEAN EVERYBODY AS A CITIZEN HAS TO FILE WITH OUR TAX DIVISION. NOW WE EXEMPT THOSE INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR FINANCES. AS A CITIZEN IN THIS COMMUNITY.

WE EXEMPT THAT FROM PEOPLE ASKING FOR PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. WHAT WE'RE EXEMPTING HERE IS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE INCENTIVES AND DISCUSSING IT WITH ANY BUSINESS, OKAY WHETHER IT'S ALL THE WAY FROM THE GRANT PROGRAM TO TIFFS TO CRAS TO NCAS, WE LOOK UNDER THE HOOD EVENTUALLY. WE LOOK AT THEIR FINANCIALS.

NOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE EMBARRASSING IF WE RELEASED SOME OF THAT INFORMATION ABOUT PROFIT AND LOSS.

STATEMENTS AND THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE ARE JUST NEGOTIATING WITH A BUSINESS TO COME HERE.

AND WE'RE ALSO NEGOTIATING AGAINST OTHER COMMUNITIES.

>> MAYOR-- COULD I. >> ACTUALLY YEAH.

I WAS GOING TO REFER TO YOU TO SEE IF YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT YOU DID WANT TO ADD FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE.

>> I DO. THERE IS A ROBUST COTTAGE INDUSTRY IN THE AREA OF PUBLIC RECORDS.

MINE DATA THAT'S ONLY GOTTEN WORSE WITH THE USE OF AI.

NOT PASSING JUDGMENTS ON WHETHER THAT'S GOOD OR BAD.

BUT WHAT THEY DO IS THEY LOOK FOR INFORMATION THAT THEY CAN THEN MARK IT BECAUSE IT GIVES ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE.

IMAGINE YOU ARE NEGOTIATING AND A CITY WANTS TO GIVE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES. PERFECTLY LEGAL AND APPROPRIATE.

DONE EVERY DAY. BUT THROUGH PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST AND KEEP IN MIND, OTHER CITIES CAN MAKE THESE REQUESTS TOO. THEY CAN USE THAT FOR COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE TO SWEETEN DEALS.

TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

UNDERMINE ALL THAT HARD WORK THAT IN MANY CASES WITH THE

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SO THE PASSAGE OF 966D IS A RECOGNITION THAT YOU HAVE TO CREATE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR EVERYONE.

IN ADDITION I WILL ADD THAT WITHIN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY A FEW YEARS AGO, THE MEMBERS OF THE BELLBROOK SCHOOL BOARD WERE CHARGED CRIMINALLY FOR A RELATIVELY MINOR USE OF SCHOOL MOON IN LEVEE TO A CAMPAIGN. THAT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES DISCUSSION. I WOULD TELL YOU HISTORICALLY EXPENDITURE OF $5,000 WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED A DIMINIMUS AMOUNT AND PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE DONE MORE THAN PERHAPS A REPRIMAND. THAT CASE WAS PROSECUTED CRIMINALLY THAT ENDED IN PLEAS. SO ONE CANNOT ASSUME THE FACT OF THE LEGISLATURE. CRIMINAL LAW THE STATUTE ONE CAN'T ASSUME THEY WON'T ENFORCE WHAT THEY PASSED.

>> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I THINK FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE YOUR OPINION MEANS A LOT.

AND AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND DEALT WITH FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OVER THE 30 SOME YEARS YOU'VE B BEEN, YOUR OPINION MEANS MORE TO ME THAN MOST. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PARCELS HERE ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT'S IN QUESTION.

OVER SEVERAL YEARS THE CITY STRATEGICALLY ACQUIRED AND ASSEMBLED PROPERTY ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD TO SUPPORT THE-- MUSIC CENTER. HEIGHT CENTRE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND RELATED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITYS.

PROPERTIES WERE SUBSEQUENTLY DIVIDE.

APPROVED. RETAINED FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE OR CONVEYED TO PRIVATE DEVELOPERS AS INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS ADVANCED.

OUT OF THE ONE TWO-- SEVEN PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN PURCHASED, SOLD FROM THE CITY, TWO OF THE DEVELOPERS THOSE PROJECTS, THAT LAND SALES SO FAR, HAVE GIVEN A NET REALIZE GAIN TO THE CITY AND THEREFORE THE CITY TAX PAYERS OF $1.895 MILLION. SO IN LAND SALES, WE'VE GENERATED ALMOST $2 MILLION' WORTH OF PROFIT ON LAND SALES AND EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD. AND I THINK WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, IS THAT THESE TRANSACTIONS REFLECT A LONG-TERM LAND DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF YEARS.

AS THE LAW DIRECTOR SAID, THESE THINGS TAKE A LONG TIME TO DEVELOP AND TO MAKE HAPPEN. AND I FOR ONE ALONG WITH THIS COUNCIL LOOKS AT THINGS FROM A BIG PICTURE.

A BIG PICTURE PERSPECTIVE NOT ONE PARTICULAR PARCEL AT A TIME.

BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT THE OVERALL ADVANTAGE AND VALUE OF THESE PROJECTS ARE. AND WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BRING TO THE CITY. AND IN THIS CASE, ALMOST $2 MILLION SINCE WE'VE BEEN BUYING PROPERTY AND SELLING PROPERTY ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD. NEXT SAYS OUR DECISION MAKING ABILITIES HAVE COME INTO QUESTION.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF WHAT WE CALL IS A TRANSFORMATIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND. YOU'LL HEAR IT REFERRED TO AS THE TED FUND. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT A LOT. WHEN WE HAVE OUR LEGISLATION HERE. WHERE WE'RE MOVING MONEY IN AND OUT OF THE TED FUND TO COVER THIS OR COVER THAT.

SO WHEN YOU HEAR TED THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS.

TRANSFORMATIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.

AND WHAT THE CITY MANAGER'S AUTHORITY IS.

NOW FIRST OF ALL WHAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT SOME OF THESE RESOLUTIONS ARE PASSED. IN 2018 AND 2019 AND THEN AGAIN THEY PICK BACK UP IN 2024. SO NOT EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL WAS ACTUALLY ON COUNCIL WHEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND FIRST STARTED. BUT, CITY COUNCIL LIKE ANY GOVERNING BODY IS A CONTINUING BODY.

THE RESOLUTIONS THAT PASSED IN 2018 AND 2019 DIDN'T JUST GO AWAY BECAUSE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE ELECTED.

THOSE ORDINANCES ARE STILL ON THE BOOKS AND THOSE ARE STILL LAWS. ON TOP OF THE ONES THAT WERE PASSED WITH NEW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

SO RESOLUTION NUMBER 2018-R-6693 WAS PASSED IN NOVEMBER OF 2018.

AND THE BASIC SUMMARY OF THAT, IT ESTABLISHED, AND I NEED YOU TO HEAR THIS, THIS ESTABLISHED THE TRANSFORMATIVE ECONOMIC

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THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON THIS FUND WAS ESTABLISHED TO BEGIN WITH. PROPERTY SALE PROCEEDS.

LIKE THE ALMOST $2 MILLION I JUST TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY.

PROPERTY SALE PROCEEDS GO INTO THAT FUND.

WHAT'S NOT IN IS INCOME TAX OR PROPERTY TAX.

SO NOT A PENNY OF YOUR INCOME TAXES.

NOT A PENNY OF YOUR PROPERTY TAXES GO INTO THAT FUND WHERE WE'RE GIVING THAT MONEY AS ECONOMIC INCENTIVES OR GRANTS TO BUSINESSES. YOU NEED TO HEAR THAT.

YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. DECEMBER 17TH ABOUT A MONTH LATER, RESOLUTION NUMBER 2018-R-6702.

THORZ DESIGNATED CITY OWNED PROPERTIES TO BE TRANSFERRED INTO THE TED FUND AND DIRECTED THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND THE CITY MANAGER TO COMPLETE THE NECESSARY PROPERTY AND ACCOUNTING TRANSACTIONS WHICH THEY DID AND JIM I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB OF THAT.

AUGUST 26TH 2018 ORDER NANCE NUMBER 2019-0-2392.

THIS AUTHORIZED UP TO $3.75 MILLION IN NOTES TO ACQUIRE APPROXIMATELY 51 ACRES NEAR BRENT PIKE AND EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND COMPLETE THE RELATED SITE PREPARATION.

THAT IS THE LAND THAT EVERYBODY REFERS TO AS SOME OF THOSE FARMS UP THERE. I FORGET THE NAME OF THE OTHER ONE FURTHER ON DOWN. WHAT WAS IT? NEW BAUER FARM AND-- FARM. THAT'S WHAT ALLOWEDTOUS PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY WHICH NOW TURNED INTO THE ECONOMIC BOOM THAT EVERYBODY HAS SEEN UP THERE. THIS SAME COUNCIL HAS BEEN RAKED OVER THE COALS BECAUSE WHEN THE FIRST SIGN UP THAT SAID THE HEIGHT AND IT WAS GOING TO BE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR-- HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY, AND EVERYBODY GOT BLAMED FOR THAT. WELL THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS AND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY.

SO SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE FINE WINE, GETS BET WERE AGE AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING TO OUR ECONOMIC GROWTH HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS. NOW THAT LEADS US TO 2024.

I'M SORRY ONE MORE SEPTEMBER OF '23.

23RD OF 2019 RESOLUTION 2019-R-6794 ESTABLISHED EXPEDITED PROCUREMENT, PROCEDURES AND AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER TO SELECT, NEGOTIATE WITH AND CONTRACT FOR PROFESSIONAL AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE TED PROJECT AREA NUMBER 1. AND BACK THEN, WE ONLY HAD ONE TED AREA. NOW I'VE MOVED TO SEPTEMBER 23RD OF 2024. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024-0-2663.

AUTHORIZE NOTES TO ACQUIRE APPROXIMATELY 16.5 ACRES ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND FUND THE RELATED SITE PREPARATION.

NOW I MOVE TO MAY 15TH 2025. ORDER NANCE NUMBER 2025-0-2702 RENEWED INCREASED EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD PROPERTY ACQUISITION AND SITE PREPARATION FINANCING TO APPROXIMATELY $2.4 MILLION.

NEXT JUNE 9TH 2025 RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025-R-7571.

THIS AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE PROPERTY PURCHASES, SALES, LEASES, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS WITHIN TED PROJECT AREA.

AND WE HAVE-- NOW ONE TWO AND THREE.

SUBJECT TO TED GOALS AND COUNCIL REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.

ALEX CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THE COUNCIL REPORTED REQUIREMENTS WERE ADDED TO THAT LEGISLATION PLEASE?

>> YEAH, SO WHEN YOUR NEW MANAGEMENT TEAM UNDER THE DIRECTION OF CITY MANAGER AND COMMUNICATING UPDATING THE TED AREAS, WE ALSO ADDED TED AREA FOUR.

IN THAT RESOLUTION. CITY MANAGERER AND MYSELF AND THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER THOUGHT THAT THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE MORE GUARDRAILS IN REGARDS TO LETTING COUNCIL KNOW

WHAT WE ARE DOING. >> SO YOU MEAN THAT LEGISLATION LAYMAN TERMS, THAT LEGISLATION THAT WAS PUT IN THE LEGISLATION COUNCIL PASSED IT TO MAKE SURE STAFF WAS NOT OUT SPENDING

MILLIONS WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

LITTLE MORE RESTRICTION. FROM THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTIONS

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THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. >> OKAY SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE RESOLUTIONS THAT THE TED FUND DEALT WITH TO DATE.

SO I'M GOING TO ASK. NOT EVERYBODY HERE IN THIS COUNCIL WAS HERE FOR ALL OF THEM BUT SOME WERE FOR SOME AND SOME WERE HERE FOR OTHERS. IS THERE ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL. SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE. ANYBODY WHO DID NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WERE VOTING FOR WHEN YOU VOTED FOR THESE RESOLUTIONS.

BECAUSE IF WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MINUTES I'M PRETTY SURE THEY ALL PASS UNANIMOUSLY. DID ANYONE NOT KNOW WHAT THEY VOTED FOR WHEN YOU VOTED FOR IT? OKAY SO I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD WRAP UP THE CONVERSATION THAT HIDING THINGS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE VOTING ON.

BECAUSE I WILL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU.

WE HAD A COUPLE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS DEAL WITH THIS A COUPLE YEARS AGO. IF YOU'RE UP HERE VOTING FOR STUFF THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE VOTING FOR, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON, DON'T VOTE FOR IT OR MAKE SURE YOU GET CLARIFICATION ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU CAST YOUR VOTE. SPECIFICALLY LET'S TALK ABOUT PROPERTY THAT DUBLIN SERVEN IS SITTING ON.

THAT PARCEL ORIGINALLY WAS ABOUT SIX ACRES.

AND IT WAS SUBDIVIDED. AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON HAPP OF IT IS THE TRUE HOTEL. CITY MONEY INVESTED IN THAT PROPERTY WAS ABOUT $305,000. IT WAS SOLD TO THE HOTEL FOR $575,000. ALMOST $300,000 PROFIT JUST ON 2.25 ACRES THAT WAS SUBDIVIDED OUT OF THE SIX ACRES TOTAL.

THAT $300,000 PROFIT IS ALMOST A THIRD OF THE MONEY THAT PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT. THAT ARE BEING GIVEN TO DUBLIN SEVEN. AND ALMOST A THIRD OF THAT CAME FROM JUST THE SALE OF ONE PARCEL.

TO THE HOTEL. SO NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS OF WHY WE BELIEVE THIS WAS A GOOD INVESTMENT.

SO BASED ON THE PROJECTED TIFF, NCA AND PAYROLL TAX REVENUES BEGINNING IN 2027. CURRENTLY IN VALUE OF DUBLIN SEVEN PROPERTY IS $355,950. THAT NUMBER IS PROJECTED TO BE RECOVERED IN APPROXIMATELY FOUR YEARS AND ONE MONTH.

ARNE JANUARY OF 2031. TOTAL MODELLED $855,000 INCLUDING LAND SXRAL HALF MILLION DOLLAR TENANT IMPROVEMENT ALLOWANCE PROJECTED TO BE RECOVERED IN APPROXIMATELY EIGHT YEARS AND NINE MONTHS AROUND SEPTEMBER 2035.

BASED ON CURRENT REVENUE PROJECTIONS, DUBLIN SEVEN PROJECT HAS A VERY COMPARABLY FAVOURABLE PAYBACK PERIOD RELATIVE TO MANY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ON IN THIS CITY. IT'S NO DIFFERENT.

OUR ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE PROBABLY CONSERVATIVE. IT CONSIDERS MUNICIPAL INCOME TAX WITHHOLDING. IT INCLUDES TIFF REVENUE.

IT INCLUDES PROPOSED 1.5% NCAA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CHARGE AND GROWTH IN THE REVENUES OVER THE OPERATING PERIOD.

BUT WHAT THE ANALYSIS DOESN'T COVER OR ASSIGN ANY VALUE TO AT THIS TIME IS MUNICIPAL NET PROFIT TAX.

THAT'S NOT INCLUDED. CONSTRUCTION RELATED INCOME TAX.

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE UP THERE BUILDING, THEY ARE PAYING INCOME TAXES TO THE CITY. THEY ARE EATING LUNCH.

THEY ARE SPENDING THEIR MONEY. AND IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR ANY INCREASED REVENUE GENERATED BY THE OTHER NEARBY BUSINESSES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, CAN YOU HAVE TOO MANY RESTAURANTS IN ONE PARTICULAR AREA? NO, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL DRIVE TO AN AREA KNOWING THEY ARE HUNGRY.

THINK ABOUT HOW YOU INTERACT. DOES ANYBODY REALLY GO TO MILLER LANE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO A SPECIFIC RESTAURANT? OR DO YOU KIND OF THING YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT BUT YOU GET UP THERE AND THEN YOU DECIDE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DINNER.

WHEN YOU HAVE MASS RESTAURANTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN A SPECIFIC AREA OF BUSINESS, PEOPLE TRAVEL TO THAT AREA AND THEN THEY'LL MAKE UP THEIR MIND WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.

IF-- WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE COMPETITION FOR DUBLIN SEVEN DID THEY EVER SAY THAT TO US? NOPE.

IF TJ CHUMPS-- WHAT WAS TJ CHUMPS BEGGING US FOR FOR YEARS? SITTING ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD BY THEMSELVESS?

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MARK WHAT DID THEY WANT? >> MORE RESTAURANTS.

>> MORE RESTAURANTS. BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT'S GOING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THE AREA AND THEY ARE GOING TO SPEND THEIR MONEY. THAT'S HOW ALL THIS WORKS.

SO INCREASED REVENUE SHARED BY BUSINESSES IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS OVERALL TIMELINE. SO AT A VERY CONSERVATIVE RATE, BETWEEN EIGHT AND NINE YEARS, THE INVESTMENT THE CITY IS MAKING AND THE DUBLIN SERVEN IS GOING TO BE RECOUPED AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE HELL OF A LARGE PARTY EVERY ST. PATRICK'S DAY. I THINK WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND TOO IS THAT THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING WE'VE DONE FOR OTHER BUSINESSES.

MAYBE NOT ON THE SAME SCALE, BUT IF YOU COMPARE INCOME FOR SOME BUSINESSES VERSUS WHAT THEY'VE GOTTEN IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANTS, VERY WELCOME PARABLY COULD BE THE SAME SIZE.

IN 2025, WE INTRODUCED AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT PROGRAM. TOTAL PROGRAM FUNDING FOR THAT, $125,000. THE CITY GAVE AWAY-- YES $125,000 TO SMALL BUSINESS. THROUGH PARTNERSHIP MATCHING GRANTS. SMALL PROFIT GRANTS.

BETTERER KNOWN BUSINESS. MINORITY-OWNED BUSINESS GRANTS THAT TOTALLED $125,000. I DON'T REMEMBER A SOUL DOING PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST OR COMING TO A COUNCIL MEETING OR TALKING ON FACEBOOK ABOUT WHY WE WERE GIVING AWAY MONEY AND GRANTS TO THESE SMALL BUSINESSES. NOT A WORDER WAS SAID.

WHY? WHAT'S DIFFERENT NOW? IN 2026, WE JUST APPROVED-- COUNCIL JUST APPROVED ANOTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT PROGRAM FOR $150,000.

SO 125 PLUS 150 SO THAT'S $275,000 IN ECONOMIC GRANTS THAT THE CITY IS GIVING AWAY TO SMALL BUSINESSES BETWEEN 2025 AND 2026. ANYBODY GUESS WHERE THAT MONEY'S COMING FROM? THE TED FUND.

WHICH MEANS WE ARE ABLE TO HELP INCENTIVIZE, HELP OUR SMALL BUSINESSES WITH MONEY THAT'S GENERATED FROM PROFIT ON LAND SALES THAT THIS COUNCIL HAD THE VISION AND WAS WISE ENOUGH TO PASS AND PURCHASE TO BE ABLE TO SELL IT SO WE COULD DO THINGS LIKE THIS. TO HELP OUR CITY GROW AND TO HELP SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN A COMPANY APPLIES FOR AN EDGE GRANT, ALEX? DO WE DO SOME MATCHING FUNDS OR PERCENTAGES WHEN EDGE GRANTS

HAPPEN? >> SO PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THE GRANT PROGRAM, THE ANSWER IS NO. AS PART OF THE GRANT PROGRAM AS YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT WAS PASSED ON 25, A CHUNK OF MONEY IS SET ASIDE FOR EITHER COUNTY, OTHER STATE GRANTS OR JOB OHIO GRANTS. AND ONE OF OUR BUSINESSES JUST RECEIVED A JOBS OHIO GRANT. AND SO I'M ASSUMING THEY ARE GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR THAT SECTION FOR US TO MATCH THAT.

ONCE AGAIN, WHEN WE GO TO THESE COUNTY MEETINGS AND THE EDGE COMMITTEE IS DECIDING WHO SHOULD GET THIS FUND, THESE FUNDS, THEY ARE IN THE EDGE PROGRAM GRANT. THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE PUTTING SOME FUNDS INTO THAT MAKING THEIR GRANT APPLICATIONS SCORE HIGHER. I USED TO SERVE REPRESENTING CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS ON THAT COMMITTEE.

AND IT WAS HARD TO LOOK AT A PROJECT WHERE A COMMUNITY SAID WELL WE THINK THIS PROJECT IS SO IMPORTANT.

TO GET COUNTY FUNDING THROUGH SALES TAX REVENUE AND ADD SOME OF THE LOCAL AS A PART OF THIS. SO-- AS WE SAW MORE COMPETITIVE GRANTS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, I THINK IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT THAT AS A LOCAL LEVEL AND USING TED FUNDS MADE SENSE BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, WE'RE NOT USING INCOME TAX OR PROPERTY TAX. WE HAVE A STRIP MALL AS WELL AND THOSE LEASE PAYMENTS FOR THE STRIP MALL THAT THE CITY OWNS GOES INTO THE TED FUND AS WELL. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY NEAT THAT A CITY IS REINVESTING THESE FUNDS BACK AND TO YOUR POINT MAYOR, HELPING SMALL BUSINESSES, NON-PROFITS, MINORITY-OWNED BUSINESSES, VETERAN-OWNED BUSINESSES.

AND I ENCOURAGE ANYBODY AS DR. AIKEN SAID AS THE COUNCIL REP TO THE GRANTS COMMITTEE JUST LOOK AT THE QUOTES AND THE PRESENTATION THAT JASON MAY OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OF HOW WE WERE ABLE TO HELP A LOT OF THESE SMALL BUSINESSES IN OUR

COMMUNITY. >> THANKS ALEX.

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AND WHEN I SAY STEVE, I MEAN STEVE TIEBER WHO IS THE OWNER OF DUBLIN SEVEN. AND I THINK WHAT FRUSTRATES ME THE MOST ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT WITH DUBLIN SEVEN THAN WE WOULD FOR ANOTHER BUSINESS OF THAT STATUER TO HELP THEM IN THE CITY.

AND AGAIN I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THE MONEY THAT'S BEING INVESTED INTO DUBLIN SEVEN IS COMING FROM THE TED FUND.

WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS STARTED BUT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT FUND WAS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING.

WITHOUT SPENDING PROPERTY TAX MONEY.

WITHOUT SPENDING INCOME TAX MONEY.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, I MEAN HOWEVER THE NEWS GOT INVOLVED IN ALL THIS. I KNOW THEY READ OUR-- THEY READ SOCIAL MEDIA AND FACEBOOK PAGES. I WAS HERE WHEN THE NEWS SHOWED UP AND A STATEMENT FROM ME ABOUT THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY READ ON FACEBOOK. AND THEN NEXT THING YOU KNOW THE NEWS IS CALLING STEVE AND HE'S LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON? AND THE BACKLASH THAT HE HAS RECEIVED WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT A SMALL ENTREPRENEUR. DUBLIN SEVEN ISN'T A CHAIN OF OLIVE GARDENS. IT'S ONE RESTAURANT BUT ONE THAT'S BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS IN DAYTON.

THAT IS EXTREMELY POPULAR. WELL LIKED DECIDED THAT HE WANTED TO BE A PART OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

SO MUCH SO-- AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING THAT HE WOULDN'T SAY TO THE MEDIA IF HE WAS HERE, THIS IS A GUY WHO HAS PUT EVERYTHING ON THE LINE. TO INVEST IN HUBER HEIGHTS.

MILLIONS OF HIS OWN DOLLARS. PROPERTY HE HAS IN DAYTON.

AS COLLATERAL. TO BUILD THIS FACILITY HERE.

THIS ISN'T SOMEBODY WHO ON A WING AND A PRAYER SAID YEAH I THINK I'LL DO THIS. AND WON THE LOTTERY.

SO BEFORE ALL OF YOU START THINKING ABOUT-- FOR WHATEVER-- I'D BEEN ACCUSED OF HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS WIFE BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL. AND HAES THE REASON WE DID THP.

LIKE THIS IS THE LEVEL OF VITRIOL THAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS COMMUNITY ABOUT A SOLID BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 30 YEARS TO COME INTO THIS CITY. SEW WHATEVER PERSONAL VENDETTAS ANYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY HAS TOWARD ME OR ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO LET IT GO. BECAUSE YOU ARE NOW REACHING A LEVEL OF CROSSING A LINE OF DAMAGING SOMEONE ELSE'S BUSINESS AND THEIR LIVELIHOOD AND THEIR FAMILY.

AND IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. I'LL SOUND LIKE JACK NICKLAUS.

I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK YOU'RE INTIELTED TO.

DO THE RIGHT THING. DO THE RIGHT THING.

OKAY NEXT ARE A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY INTEREST TOPICS I WANTED TO ADDRESS BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR MEETING AND AGAIN THANKS FOR BEARING WITH ME. I KNOW EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS THAT I WE HAD A CAT SHOOTING BACK IN APRIL AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO COME UP WITH WAYS.

WE UNDERSTAND AS A COMMUNITY WE DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH FE RAL CATS. I MEAN IT'S AN ISSUE.

NONE OF US CONDONE JUST SHOOTING CATS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS, WE INFER X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR WITH THE HUMANE SOCIETY WHEN IT COMES TO TRAPPING, NEWTERING AND RELATION CATS WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP TRY TO MINIMIZE THE CAT REPRODUCTION THAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE COME TO.

I'VE HAD SOME MEETINGS WITH MYSELF AND CITY MANAGERS SOME INVOLVE ZONING ISSUES. THEY INVOLVE FINANCE ISSUE THAT'S MONEY WE'RE INVESTING IN. BUT THERE IS NOW A 501C3 NONPROFIT THAT HAS THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW AND ITEMS TOGETHER.

I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW IT'S CALLED HAND BEANS CANINE RESCUE. AND THE CITY IS FORMING A PARTNERSHIP WITH HAM AND BEANS CANINE RESCUE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE TAKING SOME OF THE MONEY WE'VE BEEN SPENDING WITH THE HUMANE SOCIETY. AS FAR AS MONTGOMERY COUNTY GOES ANIMAL RESOURCE CENTER. IF SOMEONE CALLS TO TRY TO HAVE A FE RAL CAT OR AN ISSUE TAKEN CARE OF ITSELF MONTHS BEFORE

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THEY'VE BEEN IN OPERATION FOR TWO WEEKS AND SHE TOLD ME TODAY THEY'VE ALREADY GOT SEVEN DOGS PLACED IN THEIR FOREVER HOME.

JUST IN THE TWO WEEKS OFFICIAL. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO PARTNERSHIP. THE OWNER OF THAT 501C3 AND SUPPORT HER ABILITY TO GET THESE FERAL CATS TRAPPED NEWTERED AND RELEASED BACK TO THE POPULATION WHERE THEY CAN LIVE WITHOUT THE REPRODUCTION AND CAUSING THE FERAL CAT PROBLEM TO GET WORSE.

SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AND ANY NON-PROFIT DONATIONS WILL HELP.

THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT THE ENFORCEMENT SITUATION WAS WITH THE CAT BEFORE. I HOPE ALL OF YOU OPEN UP YOUR CHEQUE BOOKS AND DONATE TO THIS 501C3 TO HELP PAY FOR THIS FERAL CAT PROBLEM SO WE CAN HELP THIS T&R PROGRAM THEY HAVE IN PLACE.

THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL. AND LAST LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BEAVER LAWSUIT. I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THAT GOING ON. AND RIGHT NOW BUCKY'S AND HUBER HEIGHTS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED ARE SYNONYMOUS WITH THE FIRST CITY IN THE STATE TO GET A BUCKY'S HERE.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO ME ASKING IF I WAS GOING TO BOYCOTT BUCKIES BECAUSE OF THE LAWSUIT.

REGARDING THE BEAVER OF MINI MART AND BEAVER MINI CREEK.

AND BUCKY'S HAS FILED A SUIT FOR TRADEMARK INFRINGEMENT BASED ON THE BEEVER THAT THEY USE. I WILL SAY THAT I DID REACH OUT TO MY CONTACT OF BUCKY'S. AND I'LL LET HIM KNOW THAT I THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY UNFORTUNATE SITUATION.

THAT MAYBE THEIR LAWYER SHOULD TAKE NOTE OF THE FACT THAT THE BEAVER MART WAS IN THE CITY OF BEAVER CREEK.

WHERE YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO FIND LOTS OF BEAVERS.

PROBABLY WHERE THE HIGH SCHOOL MASCOT IS A BEAVER.

YOU KNOW WHEN WE HAD THE GROUND BREAKING AND THE RIBBON CUTTING AND MR. AFLON WAS HERE. I GAVE HIM A KEY TO THE CITY.

AND WELL I'LL BACK UP. THEY DID DO THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE IN THE BEGINNING THEY WEREN'T GOING TO PUT ADULT CHANGING TABLES IN THE BATHROOMS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY WERE STEADFAST AGAINST.

AND BECAUSE OF PUBLIC PRESSURE AND PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO SEE THAT HAPPEN AND WHAT'S KNOWN AS A FAM AH FAMILY TRAVEL CENTER.

TO HAVE AN ADULT CHANGING TABLE IN THE BATHROOMS. BUCKY'S DID THE RIGHT THING. THIS IS I BELIEVE-- I UNDERSTAND MY TRADEMARKS EXIST. BUT IN A TOWN CALLED BEAVER CREEK, IT'S A LITTLE HARD FOR ME TO MENTALLY MAKE RIGHT IN MY OWN BRAIN WHEN IT COMES TO A LAWSUIT.

I DEBATED ON EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT THIS EVENING.

IT IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE HUBER HEIGHTS IS BUCKY'S FIRST CITY HERE. ANY BACKLASH THAT HAPPENS TO BUCKY'S ULTIMATELY COULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH HUBER HEIGHTS.

AND I DON'T WANT THAT AND I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL WANTS THAT. I THINK NONE OF OUR RESIDENTS WANT THAT AND I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE.

SO BACK TO WHEN I GAVE ARCH BEAVER A KEY TO THE CITY.

WHAT A KEY TO THE CITY MEANS TO ME IS THAT IT'S WELCOMING.

IT MEANS YOUR FRIEND. AND IT MEANS YOUR NEIGHBOUR.

AND THE KEY TO THAT CITY MEANT THAT WE THOUGHT OF HIM AS A FRIEND AND A NEIGHBOUR AND A COMMUNITY MEMBER.

AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS A SMALL BUSINESS IN BEAVER CREEK

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AND AS-- ITSELF SAID THIS WAS THE FIRST KEY TO A CITY HE'S EVER GOTTEN. AT A GRAND OPENING.

I'D HATE TO BE THE FIRST OF THE CITY TO REQUEST THAT KEY BACK.

AND I HOPE THAT THEY DO THE RIGHT THING.

OKAY. IT IS NOW 6:42 AND WE WILL GET ONTO THE MEAT OF THE MEETING. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING.

PAYING ATTENTION. I KNOW THAT IS A LOT.

BUT IT MEANS A LOT THAT YOU STUCK AROUND TO HEAR SOME OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON HERE IN THE CITY.

[2. Approval Of Minutes]

AND ITEM 2A MINUTES FROM JULY 7TH OF 2026.

THOSE MINUTES HAD BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO EVERYONE.

IF THERE'S ANY KWOERS COMMENTS PLEASE LET US KNOW THOSE WILL

[ City Manager Report]

NEXT WE'LL MOVE ONTO OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING. WE'LL GET START WITH ITEM 3A WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT.

JOHN? >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A BUSY WEEK HERE JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE WEEK COMING UP HERE. WEDNESDAY NIGHT WE WILL BE HAVING OUR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. I KNOW I'M PARTIAL BUT I THINK WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST EVENTS GOING ON.

OUR OFFICERS DO A GREAT JOB. WE HAVE A CAR SHOW ASSOCIATED WITH IT DIFFERENT AREA POLICE CARS.

FROM 6 P.M. TO 8 P.M. WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL.

WE HAVE AL GOOD TURNOUT HOPE TO SEE YOU OUT THERE.

THURSDAY AT THE SENIOR CENTER MAYOR YOU AND I WILL BE DOING OUR THIRD OR FOURTH CUPS AND CONVERSATIONS.

SO SENIOR CENTRE 10 A.M. TO 12 P.M. COME OUT AND HAVE SOME GOOD INFORMAL DISCUSSION WITH US ABOUT THINGS GOING ON IN THE CITY. THEN SATURDAY, AGAIN I KNOW I'M PARTIAL AND REALLY PROUD OF WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON HERE BUT OUR ANNUAL BITES IN THE HEIGHTS WILL BE AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER SATURDAY. FOOD TRUCKS, CAR SHOW.

LIVE MUSIC. JUST A TON OF THINGS GOING ON.

YOU KNOW START AT AROUND 11:30 AND RUN UNTIL 8 P.M. SO COME OUT FOR BITES AND HEIGHTS. THEN SUNDAY COUNCIL ALL SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THEIR INVITATIONS OR IF NOT TONY HAS THEM.

A GRAND REOPENING. STATION 23 IS COMPLETED AND READY TO SHOW OFF TO THE PUBLIC. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE OPENING ON A SUNDAY BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARKING IN THIS FIREHOUSE AREA.

ONE OF OUR SMALLER SATELLITE AREAS SO WE'RE GOING TO USE ADJACENT PARKING BUSINESSES NEXT DOOR WILL LET US PARK.

COME OUT AND SEE US IT WILL BE SUNDAY FROM 1 TO 3 P.M.

AND THEN PRETTY FACE IN THE AUDIENCE YOU SEE THE NEW POLICE CHIEF HE STARTED NOT LAST MONDAY BUT NEXT MONDAY WILL BE HIS OFFICIAL SWEARING IN BY YOU. AND WE'LL DO A MEET AND GREET AT 5 O'CLOCK BEFORE THAT SO PLEASE COME OUT TO THAT.

ALSO NOTIFICATION THIS WEEK TODAY THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING SOME TREE TRIMMING IN THE AREA. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE RESIDENTS AROUND WOULD KNOW VENDOR OR THEIR CONTRACTOR WILL BE IN THE AREA. IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG ROW JUST WEST OF BRANDT. THEY ARE GOING TO COME IN AND DO SOME NORTH UP ALONG PIKE AND FISHBURG.

AND THEN SOUTH ALONG ULTRAPIKE AND BIA TRIS THAT DIRECTION.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE SET NOTICES OUT.

ALL PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GOING TO BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

WE DO NOT DO HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION OUR FACEBOOK PAGE.

THEY DO VA LINK ON A WEBSITE. BACK-UP.

SO AGAIN WE ARE-- AWARDS AND THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF SHEDDING A LIGHT ON HOW IMPRESSIVE-- AND YOU BROUGHT IT UP EARLIER MAYOR, I THINK JIM DOES AN OUTSTANDING JOB.

THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT DOES AN OUTSTANDING JOB VERY OPEN AND HONEST ABOUT WHERE THE TAX PAYER DOLLAR GOES IN THIS CITY.

SO WE HAVE A 90 PLUS AWARD RECIPIENT HERE.

ONLY 3% OF THE CLIENTS ACHIEVE THIS SCORE.

WHAT'S REALLY OF NOTE HERE IS THAT AS YOU LOOK AT THE FOUR STAR AWARD ON THIS ONE. ONLY 508 PUBLIC ENTITIES IN OHIO RECEIVE THIS AWARD. SO REALLY WE'RE ONE OF 14.2% OR 1 IN 7 TO ACHIEVE THIS AS A NATION.

SO AGAIN I SAY IT A LOT. JIM STAFF AND ALEX AND THEIR DEDICATION TO BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT AND TONY AS WELL.

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SO I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> FIVE STAR BOARD ON THE FOUR

STAR. >> THEY ONLY GIVE FOUR STARS.

>> I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> THANKS. >> I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A MEETING SINCE OUR STAR SPANGLED CELEBRATION.

BUT I THINK IT WARRANTS ANOTHER THANK YOU.

UNTIL WE GOT RAINED OUT. BUT IT WAS A TREMENDOUS EFFORT BY PARKS AND REC BY PUBLIC WORKS.

BY COMMUNITY CARES FOR THE LONGEST DINNER.

YES THE LONGEST TABLE. IT WAS VERY WELL PUT IN AND I THANK EVERYBODY THAT WAS INV

INVOLVED. >> YES, THANK YOU.

JUST A LITTLE RAIN. YEAH.

WE'RE REALLY CHAMPIONS BECAUSE WE BURIED THE TIME CAPSULE IN

THE RAIN. >> AND WE'VE MARKED SO IT WE KNOW WHERE IT'S AT. NO CHANCE OF LOSING THAT THING.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING ANYTHING IN JOHN'S MANAGER REPORT? OKAY LET'S MOVE FORWARD.

[ Citizens Water And Sewer Advisory Board Update]

UPDATE. >> SO TONIGHT WE HAVE SAM ROBINSON WHO IS THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THIS PARTICULAR BOARD TO GIVE AN UPDATE PRESENTATION. ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE FE LEE SHA JETER WHO IS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD HERE AS WELL.

>> THANKS FOR BEING HERE AND APPRECIATE YOU STAYING LONG ENOUGH TO LET ME GET THROUGH ALL THAT.

>> IT'S MY PLEASURE. I REALLY ENJOYED IT.

MAYOR GORE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM SAM ROBINSON CHAIR OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER.

HAPPY TO BE HERE. UPDATED REPORT ABOUT WHAT IT'S DOING. FIRST-- OKAY.

WE HAVE FIVE AREAS THAT WE WANTED TO MENTION IN ORDER NANCE OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AND DISCUSS THIS SPECIFICALLY.

THE FIRST ONE SPECIFIES OUR COMPOSITION AND THE MEMBERS.

SO WE HAVE SEVEN MEMBERS. THEY ARE COMPRISED OF THEED BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

NOW WE JUST BASICALLY HAVE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS MEMBERS.

I'VE BEEN INVITED TO SPEAK AT THE ROTARY LATER ON THIS MONTH.

AND I WILL PUT A PITCH IN TO HAVE SOME OF THE BUSINESS MEMBERS. TO FILL IN THE ONANCY THAT YOU SEE THERE. RIGHT.

AND THIS PAST YEAR THREE OF US APPOINTED PAM WIDEN WHO IS OVER HERE. AND YOU REMEMBER HER FROM--.

>> I THINK IF YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PAM.

PAM HAS JOINED AS A MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE HERE.

>> LISA JETER WHO IS OVER HERE AS WELL.

ALSO BOARD MEMBER. AND HARRELL-- RESIGNED FROM THE BOARD. ANOTHER CHANGE WE NOW MEET IN THIS BUILDING. AT THE END OF THE HALLWAY WE MIGHT FIVE TIMES A YEAR. SO THAT BEGAN IN BASICALLY WITH OUR MARCH MEETING. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

ALSO AT OUR MEETING OUR CITY STAFF, CITY ENGINEER RUSS BERGMAN IS THERE. ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANCE.

SHE IS THERE AS WELL. AND SHE TAKES THE MINUTES.

GARY-- PROJECT LEADER FOR THE HUBER HEIGHT PROS JEKT MUNICIPAL WATER CONTRACT OPERATIONS OF DELIAC, NORTH AMERICA.

AGENDA COVERS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

CUSTOMER COMMENTS AND OLD BUSINESS.

STAFF LIAISON REPORT MR. BERGMAN GIVES THAT AS WELL AS THE ONLY REPORT WHICH HAS MISCELLANEOUS COMMENTS WHICH ENTER THE MINUTES. THAT DEAL YA' PUTS OUT ONCE A YEAR. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THERE ARE SIX SPECIFIC AREAS. AND I WILL COVER MORE ON SLIDE SEVEN. FINAL BULLET THERE AND THE FIFTH THING THAT SPECIFIED ORDINANCE IS THE RULES, REGULAR SKWLASHGS POLICIES AND SO FORTH. AND I WILL COVER A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT ON SLIDE 8. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND SLIDE FOUR CROSS REFERENCE TO WHERE THE BOARD MENTIONED CODE OF ORDINANCES. WERE MENTIONED IN ON STORM WATER MANAGEMENT CODES. SANITARY SEWERS AND WATER DISTRIBUTIONS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

ALSO IN THE CODE THERE'S A SPECIFIC PART IN 929.17 AND I

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THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS AND HER DEZZING KNEE MAKE ANNED A JUST FOR LINKAGE UNDER WATER SERVICE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE SEEM TO GET MOST OF OUR CUSTOMER INPUT.

IN FACT OVER THIS PAST YEAR WE DID HAVE ONE CUSTOMER ACTUALLY WROTE IT TO THE MAYOR AND WAS REFERRED TO THE CITY MANAGER REFERRED TO THE BOARD. BUT MOST OF IT COMES IN BASICALLY VIA WHAT YOU SEE IN ITALICS TO THE BOARD.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. REFERS TO-- AFTER IT GETS REFERRED TO THE BOARD, WE HAVE BEEN USING RESOLUTION 96-R-1797 FOR THE ADJUSTMENT POLICY FOR HOW WE HANDLE CUSTOMER OR RESIDENT REQUESTS TO THE BOARD. AND THAT RESOLUTION GENERAL POLICY ADJUSTMENT FOR LEAKS AND THEY-- BASICALLY IF THERE'S A SATISFIED CUSTOMER, IT GETS TO THE BOARD.

THE GENERAL POLICY ADJUSTMENT FOR LEAKS THAT APPLIES AND THEN REVIEWING THAT AS WELL. SO I'LL TALK A RIT WILL ITTAL BIT MORE IN TWO SLIDES. NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS-- SIX AREAS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.

MAINTENANCE WASTE WATER SYSTEMS. OUR BOARD IS CONFIDENT IN THE HIGH QUALITY OF THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE.

WE HAVE NOT HAD MY COMPLAINTS WHATSOEVER ABOUT HOW-- IT HAS BEEN HANDLING THINGS. SO I-- THEY ARE ADHERING TO A VERY HIGH STANDARD AND I THINK YOU SHOULD BE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THE QUALITY WORK THAT IS BEING DONE.

THE NEXT ITEM MINUTES DELIVERED TO THE CUSTOMERS ARE RESIDENTS.

WE HAVE HAD OUT RECENTLY THE 2025 ANNUAL DRINKING WATER QUALITY REPORT WHICH EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN IN THEIR MAIL. ONE OF THE RECENT BUILDS.

IF YOU GO THROUGH THERE, EVERYTHING IS MEETS STANDARDERS VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. COUPLE YEARS AGO DID MENTION ON THE BOARD WE ARE NOT GOING END TO UP LIKE FLINT, MICHIGAN.

AND WE HAVE NOT WHICH I'M VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THE QUALITY THAT IS COMING INTO YOUR FAUCET AND YOUR HOME AND THE ANNUAL DRINKING QUALITY REPORT.

ON THE RATES TO BE CHARGED FOR WATER STORM WATER AND SEWE RECHLT. NOW JANUARY 15 TTH CITY MANAGER PUT OUT A LETTER TO EVERYONE. TO ALL THE RESIDENTS THERE.

I DO WANT TO MAKE NOTE THAT THE BOARD HAS NOT HAD ANY COMMENTS AT ALL FROM ANY RESIDENTS ABOUT THE INCREASED RATES FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICES. SO I THINK THAT'S A COMPLIMENT TO THE BOARD-- THE CITY COUNCIL THAT YOU FOUND THE RIGHT POINT THERE THAT RESIDENTS WITH WHICH THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE RATES THAT THEY WANT TO PAY. OTHER TOWNS FROM WHAT I READ IN NEWSPAPERS AND THINGS THERE'S COMPLAINTS ABOUT WHEN RATES GO UP FOR WATER AND SEWER AND SO FORTH BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE BOARD SO I THINK THAT'S A COMPLIMENT TO WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL DID VIA THE CITY MANAGER. WITH REGARD TO CUSTOMER BUILDINGS AND OTHER ELEMENTS OF CUSTOMER SERVICE WE'VE HAD FEW COMPLAINTS RELATED TO BUILDING OR OTHER ELEMENTS.

OF COURSE WE HANDLE COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE COME TO THE BOARD BUT THERE'S BEEN VERY FEW. AND WE DO ASK THAT THE BUILDING REPRESENTATIVE IF BASICALLY EVERY MEET GOING THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE COULD DO TO BETTER SERVE OUR RESIDENTS HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS. AND THEN ONCE A YEAR WE DO ASK THE ENGINEERING DIVISION FOR REVIEW OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WITH REGARD TO WATER.

STORM WATER AND SEWER SERVICES. THE MOST RECENT ONE AND WE'VE LOOK TED A THAT ON MAY 18TH AND REVIEWED THAT WOUR CITY ENGINEER. THIS ONE GOES OUT TO 2030 EVERY YEAR FOR THAT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

NOW I SAID I WOULD TALK MORE ABOUT REVIEWING THE POLICIES, RULES, REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS AND THINGS.

SO THERE'S ONE AREA THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT.

WE JUST BEGAN DOING THAT THIS PAST MEETING AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING WHICH WILL BE IN SEPTEMBER. I REFER TO RESOLUTION NUMBER 96-R JUST 1797. SO THE YEAR THIS WAS PUT FORTH BUT A GENERAL POLICY AND THEN WITHIN IT IT HAS SOME GUIDANCE FOR HOW WE APPLY AND HOW WE LOOK AT A CUSTOMER'S COMPLAINT.

BUT YOU COULD PROBABLY SEE FROM HERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT BURERO ACCURATIC AND REALLY KIND OF HARD TO USE.

SO WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THAT I THINK WHERE WE HAVE-- WHICH WE CAN GIVE OUT TO EVERY RESIDENT.

CUSTOMER INFORMATION. LEAK INFORMATION.

THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION AND ALSO QUOTES OF THE CITY

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EXCUSE ME---ER AND THEN WITHIN THAT-- WE HAVE AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE CUSTOMER. SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT IS EXPECTED AND THEN ALSO SOMETHING FOR INTERNAL OFFICE USE.

SO WE THINK THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WE'VE BEEN USING SINCE 1996. WE WILL REVIEW THIS AT OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING. IF WE HAVE ANYMORE CHANGES IN SEPTEMBER MAYBE WE MIGHT PUSH IT TO NOVEMBER.

BUT PROBABLY WILL END UP PROVING THIS IN SEPTEMBER BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY REAL COMMENTS AT OUR JULY MEETING.

SO I THINK IT'S GONE ON PRETTY GOOD.

SO THIS IS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES OF HOW WE APPLY WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING OUR OWN RULES, REGULATIONS POLICIES AND SO FORTH. JUST WANT TO POINT OUT IF WE DO THINK THIS IS GOOD TO GO. WE WILL REFER THAT TO THE CITY ENGINEER. THE CITY ENGINEER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY STAFFING WITHIN THE CITY.

AND WE'LL BE UP SO THAT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS.

IF IT'S GOOD ENOUGH TO GO, FINE. IF NOT IT NEEDS LEGAL VIEW AND WILL GO TO LEGAL. BUT THAT WOULD BE HANDLED BY THE CITY ENGINEER. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. NOW WE MET SEPTEMBER 15TH.

NOVEMBER 19TH. MARCH 16TH.

MAY 18TH. JULY 20TH AND WE HAD A TOTAL OF 6 BILLION COMPLAINTS COMPARED TO FOUR THE YEAR BEFORE AND PRY BEFORE THAT. SO I DID NOT WANT TO GET INTO ANY SPECIFIC CUSTOMERS INFORMATION SO I DON'T HAVE THAT IN HERE. BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW WE HANDLED THEM AS BEST WE COULD IN VARIOUS MEANS.

COUPLE OF THEM WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR CHANGES TO THEIR BILL. BUT MOST OF THEM WE DECLINE PER THE POLICY. WE'VE APPLIED THE POLICY BUT MOST OF THEM ENDED UP BEDECLINE. OKAY.

SO WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE COMMUNICATIONS WITH STAKEHOLDERS. AND MOST MEMBERS DID GO TO THE APRIL 22ND. VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION AND APPRECIATION CEREMONY. UNFORTUNATELY I HAD A PERSONAL ENGAGEMENT BUT EVERYONE WHO DID FROM THE BOARD WAS VERY HAPPY.

SO WE TRY TO STAY AWARE WHAT'S GOING ON AND BRING THAT TO OUR BOARD MEETING WHEN WE TALK TO THE CITY ENGINEER.

SO SOME OF THE THINGS WE USE IS THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE IF WE SEE THEM. BRING THEM UP BEFORE THE BOARD.

SO BRING THEM UP TO THE BOARD SO WE ARE NOT SURPRISED THEY CAN THEN INFORM THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THAT SO YOU'RE AWARE OF THINGS. WE DON'T WANT THINGS TO BE FESTERING THAT ARE OUT THERE READILY AVAILABLE AND NOT AT LEAST TALK ABOUT THEM. FOR THOSE IN PER A AY PECH YOU'LL ORGANIZATIONS AND THEN REGIONAL-- I WENT AND MS. BIRCH AS WELL WHEN THEY DID THEIR PRESENTATION LAST SEPTEMBER I BELIEVE. THE STATE OF OHIO HAS WHAT'S CALLED OHIO WATER AGENCY RESPONSE NETWORK.

UTILITIES HELPING UTILITYS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT LISA JETER BROUGHT UP AT OUR MEETING MAY ABOUT THAT.

SO JUST TO BE AWARE AND LET OUR CITY ENGINEER KNOW ABOUT THAT.

IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY OTHER MEETING THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES UP THAT ONE OF US MAY HAVE READ ABOUT WITH THE EPA IS DOING. SO WE DO TRY TO BRING THAT UP.

SO NOW I'M SURE THE ONLY INFORMATION SOURCES WE SAY OKAY WE'VE SEEN THIS HOPEFULLY YOU'RE ADJUSTING THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE BROUGHT UP EARLIER THIS YEAR WAS THE CITY'S 2026 CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION. THE BOARD AND STAFF AND ENGINEERING DIVISION TO THE CITY'S TIME CAPSULE.

WHICH IS BURIED ON JULY 18TH. AND THAT HAD THE 2026 WASTE WATER COLLECTION SYSTEM IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND OH IT'S A BIGGER MAP. BUT THIS IS JUST THE SLIDE YOU CAN'T SEE THE DETAIL. AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THAT'S THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

SO THAT IS OUR TIME CAPSULE THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE DUG UP.

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>> VERY THOROUGH. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOU ALWAYS BEING HERE.

GOOD JOB IN WHAT YOU PRESENT AND APPRECIATE THE INITIATIVE FOR THE NEW DOCUMENT. IT'S A GREAT THING.

ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE COMMUNICATION AND MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND.

I'M ALWAYS A FAN OF SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

YEP NANCY. >> NOT FOR HIM.

IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE TIME

CAPSULE? >> YEAH MASON KNICKERBOCKER OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY COMPILED A LIST OF ITEMS.

>> I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IT. YEAH.

>> YEAH WE'LL POST THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? O

[ City Liability Insurance Renewal]

INSURANCE RENEWAL. >> YES THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. TONIGHT IS THE ANNUAL LEGISLATION FOR CITY LIABILITY INSURANCE RENEWAL WHICH IS SET TO EXPIRE SEPTEMBER 1ST OF THIS YEAR.

WE HAVE RECEIVED RENEWAL QUOTE TO CONTINUE WITH TRAVELLERER'S INSURANCE TOTAL PREMIUM COST $446,063 INCLUDING NO CHANGE TO OUR SXOFRJ DEDUCTIBLES WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY SO LEFRG STAY THE SAME. THIS IS AN 8% INCREASE WHICH I HAVE BEEN TOLD INCREASE IN EXPENDITURES AND EXPOSURE WE HAVE TREND FOR THAT SO A SINGLE DIGIT I THINK IS PRETTY GOOD.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF LEGISLATION ON MONDAY TO CONTINUE WITH INSURANCE WITH SELECTIVE INSURANCE AND TRAVELLER'S INSURANCE.

AND I ROUND IT UP $447,000 AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL $25,000 WHICH WOULD COVER ANY ADDITIONAL PREMIUMS OR DEDUCTIBLES THAT COME INTO PLAY FOR THIS NEXT POLICY YEAR.

SO THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED FOR A TOTAL NOT TO EXCEED $472,000.

ANY QUESTIONS I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

>> THANK YOU KATE. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

[ Supplemental Appropriations]

>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT ITEM 3D SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS. JIM?

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I HAVE BEFORE YOU JUST A FEW ITEMS TONIGHT FOR THE SUPPLEMENTAL IN OTHER WORDS BUDGET CHANGES FOR THE 2026 BUDGET. FIRST ONE WOULD BE $498,000 ADVANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NOTE PROCEEDS WE'VE ALREADY DONE FOR THE CITY HALL RENOVATIONS WHICH WILL BECOME THE FINANCE TAX AND UTILITIES CENTER AT OUR OLD CITY HALL SITE.

AND THAT WILL BE COVERED BY ADDITIONAL BOND PROCEEDS IN NOVEMBER. SO THE GENERAL FUND WOULD BE PAID BACK ONCE WE ISSUE THOSE BONDS IN NOVEMBER.

YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING LONG-TERM ON A LONG OF THE NOTES WE'VE BEEN ISSUING.

AND LOCK IN THE RATES ASSUMING THAT THE ENVIRONMENT IS GOOD FOR THAT. WE'VE BEEN KEEP PUSHING THAT BACK UNTIL WE GET SOME GOOD LONG-TERM RATES.

SO I EXPECT THOSE TO HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER.

NEXT ITEM IS $7,576.72 IS A TRANSFER FROM THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSISTANCE FUND. AND AS YOU KNOW, WE GET MONEYS INTO THAT. AND THAT IS TO REIMBURSE OUR POLICE FUND CONTINUING SPECIAL EDUCATION.

AND REVENUE THAT'S COME IN AND AS WAS POINTED OUT TO ME BY STAFF OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT MONEY IS TO BE USED FOR PROFESSIONAL TRAINING. I DID NOT BUDGET THAT MONEY.

I BUDGETED TRANSFERS BUT WE DO NOT BUDGET THAT IN THE POLICE FUND. SO TOTAL CUMULATIVE FOR THIS YEAR IS $37,762.93 SO I'M ASKING COUNCIL TO INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR MONEY THAT CAME OVER FROM THE TRANSFER.

SO THAT IS BASICALLY A WASH. IT'S EVEN THOUGH IT'S INCREASED IN THE POLICE FUND BUDGET IT'S MONEY THAT CAME FROM THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSISTANCE FUND. AND FINALLY $96,820 THAT IS A REQUEST FOR THE FIRECHIEF TO INCREASE THE FIRE FUND FROM THE TRANSITION TO THE AT&&T FIRST NET PUBLIC SAFETY NETWORK.

AND TO UPGRADE ASSOCIATED MOBILE TECHNOLOGY REQUIRED TO FULLY

UTILIZE THAT NETWORK. >> OKAY THANK YOU.

[01:05:04]

ANY QUESTIONS. >> WHERE DO THE FUNDS COME FROM THAT GO INTO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSISTANCE FUND?

>> WHERE DO THEY COME FROM? AS FAR AS MONEYS THAT COME IN.

I DON'T KNOW IF POLICE CHIEF MIGHT KNOW THAT MORE THAN I DO.

BUT IT'S FORFEITURES OF PROPERTY FROM DRUG BUSTS AND THINGS LIKE

THAT. >> OKAY THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS. JUST WASN'T SURE.

THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

>> ARE YOU ASKING FOR--. TO HAVE TWO READINGS?

OR TO WAIVE SECOND? >> YES IF YOU COULD PLEASE WAIVE THE SECOND READING SO THESE FUNDS COULD BE UTILIZED RIGHT AWAY. I BELIEVE THE FIRECHIEF WANTS TO GET STARTED IMMEDIATELY SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING UNTIL I BELIEVE IT IS SEPTEMBER 14TH ABOUT FIVE WEEKS FROM NOW.

SO WE APPRECIATE GETTING THESE BUDGET CHANGES APPROVED ON

[ County Assessments Authorization]

MONDAY NIGHT, PLEASE. >> OKAY NEXT UP 3E COUNTY

ASSESSMENTS AUTHORIZATION. >> YES ANUALLY I BRING TO YOU THE COUNTY ASSESSMENTS AUTHORIZATION.

WHAT THIS IS IS MONTGOMERY COUNCILY HAS PRESENT LEGISLATION AND ATTACHED TO THAT IS ALL OF THE ASSESSMENTS.

SO WE HAVE LIGHTING ASSESSMENTS. WE HAVE SIDEWALK ASSESSMENTS.

SO AS YOU KNOW EACH YEAR WE SEND OUT ESTIMATES OF WHAT WE BELIEVE ASSESSMENTS FOR SIDEWALK REPAIRS WILL BE.

AND THEN EACH OF THE RESIDENTS CAN CHOOSE TO MAKE THEIR OWN REPARIS. LETERS HAVE GONE OUT FOR 2027.

YOU CAN MAKE THOSE REPARIS OR HAVE THE CITY DO IT.

AND IF THE CITY DOES IT WE COME BACK TO YOU AND GIVE YOU THE FINAL DOLLAR AMOUNT. USUALLY THAT WOULD HAVE COME ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE WEEKS AGO. AND THEN THE DUE DATE WAS YESTERDAY. OR NO TODAY TO CHOOSE TO PAY THOSE ASSESSMENTS WITHOUT-- PAY THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE SIDEWALK WORK. AND IF YOU DECIDE YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY THAT THEN WE TAKE IT OUT AND ASSESS IT ON YOUR PROPERTY TAXES FOR FIVE YEARS. SO THOSE THAT DON'T PAY BY TODAY WILL HAVE THAT ON EXHIBIT A I'LL UPDATE EXHIBIT A FOR TONY ON WEDNESDAY TO GO INTO THE COUNCIL PACKET TO APPROVE ON MONDAY NIGHT. AND IN ADDITION TO THOSE ASSESSMENTS THAT I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED WE ALSO HAVE DELINQUENT WATER SEWER STORM WATER BILLS.

WE HAVE ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT THE CITY HAS DONE SUCH AS PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, GRASS AND WEEDS AND WE'VE HAD TO CUT THE WEED IFS YOUR GRASS GREW TOO HIGH ON PROPERTY.

AND ANY ABATEMENT TYPE OF WORK THAT WAS DONE.

THOSE ARE ALL CHARGED BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND SO THOSE WILL APPEAR ON THE PROPERTY TAXES IF COUNCIL APPROVES ALL OF THESE ON MONDAY NIGHT.

THAT WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY AND THEY PUT THOSE ON THE PROPERTY

TAXES FOR 2027. >> OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM ON THE ASSESSMENTS?

>> IS THERE AN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IT'S NOT WORTH GOING AFTER? BECAUSE I SAW SOME FOR LIKE 65 CENTS.

IS THERE-- SHOULD WE PASS LEGISLATION THAT IF IT'S UNDER $5 OR $10, WE JUST DON'T PURSUE IT BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME AND EVERYTHING ELSE REALLY ISN'T WORTH IT?

>> WELL IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS COMES UP EVERY YEAR.

WHAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING IS THERE MIGHT BE 5 CENTS UNDER THE STORM WATER CATEGORY BUT YOU HAVE WATER AND SEWER SO ALL OF THOSE ON ONE PROPERTY WOULD BE MUCH MORE THAN THAT.

SO NO IF IT WAS THAT LOW, I BELIEVE THERE'S WRITE-OFF POLICIES THAT THEY HAVE FOR BALANCES THAT JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE GOING AFTER. SO WE CAN REVIEW THAT AGAIN AND LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING STAFF TIME TO GO AFTER THAT. BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU IF IT'S UNDER 5 OR $10 IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. TAKE IT TO COUNCIL AND SO FORTH.

ONE THING I'D FORGOT TO MENTION TOO TO YOU THE MAYOR, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE. AND SO THE COUNTY ASSESSMENTS HAVE TO BE SENT TO THEM BY MONDAY SEPTEMBER 14TH.

SO WE WOULD NEED PASS THIS ON THIS COMING MONDAY NIGHT AND NOT WAIT-- SO WE'D HAVE TO HAVE-- WAIVE A SECOND READING AND APPROVE THIS ON MONDAY NIGHT. IT IS AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT'S

[01:10:01]

TO MEET THEIR DEADLINE. >> SO WAIVING SECOND READING SATISFY THAT OR DOES IT PASS EMERGENCY?

>> IT'S EMERGENCY LEGISLATION NOW TO BE EFFECTIVE BY THAT

DATE. >> OKAY.

SO JUST MAKING SURE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS ON THIS FOR MONDAY. ANY QUESTIONS?

[ 2026-2031 Bank Depository Agreements]

>> YES. THIS IS ANNUAL-- EVERY FIVE YEARS I HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL SO THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'VE BROUGHT THIS TO COUNCIL IN MY TENURE HERE THAT WE SET ASIDE FIVE-YEAR AGREEMENTS FOR ANY POTENTIAL BANK THAT WANTS TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY. WE HAVE A REGULAR ACCOUNT THAT WE USE OPERATIONS, PAYROLL AND SO FORTH IS ONE BANK.

BUT WE INVITE ALL THE BANKS TO COME TO US AND SAY THEY ARE WILLING TO PLEDGE AND HAVE COLLATERAL FOR OUR BANKING AGREEMENTS. SO THERE ARE FIVE BANKS THAT ARE IN THE ATTACHED LEGISLATION. I BELIEVE THAT WAS CHASE BANK, KEY BANK, U.S. BANK, HUNTINGTON BANK AND FIFTH THIRD WERE THE FIVE. AND SO ONCE AGAIN THIS IS A STATE REQUIREMENT THAT I COME TO YOU EVERY FIVE YEARS.

THIS IS A RESOLUTION SO JUST WOULD REQUIRE ONE READING BUT THE DATE-- CURRENT ONE EXPIRES ON IS AUGUST 22ND 2026 SO THIS WOULD GO FROM AUGUST 23RD ALL THE WAY TO AUGUST 22ND OF 2031.

>> OKAY THANK YOU JIM. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS

[ Bridgewater Road Water Main Extension - Award Contract]

RUSS? >> YES GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

EXCUSE ME THIS LEGISLATION WILL THORZ AN AWARD AND CONTRACT WITH RANGER EARTH WORKS. THIS IS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF APPROXIMATELY 570 FEET OF EIGHT INCH WATER MAIN AND THIS STARTS AT THE END OF BRIDGE WATER ROAD THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT'S THERE AND IT WILL GO SOUTH TO THE CITY'S YARDWAY SITE.

AND THAT'S A PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS BACK BEHIND-- AT THE END OF THAT DRIVE BACK THERE. IT'S 100 ACRES THAT THE CITY OWNS. RANGER EARTH WORKS WILL BE USED TO SERVICE THAT WASTE SITE AND ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD OCCUR BACK IN THERE. RANGER EARTH WORKS IS THE LOWEST AND BEST BIDDER AT $104,876 THE OTHER TWO CONTRACTORS WERE ROUGHLY $1,000 AND $9,000 HIGHER.

RANGER EARTH WORKS HAS PERFORMED MANY WATER MAIN INSTALLATIONS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS IN HUBER HEI HEIGHTS. RECENTLY THEY INSTALLED THE WATER MAIN AT CANAL HEIGHTS. WE'LL BE USING WATER FUND TO PAY FOR THIS WORK AND NOT TO EXCEED COSTS $120,000.

>> OKAY THANK YOU RUSS. ANY QUESTIONS? OBJECTIONS? O

[ Parking Lots/Drives Reconstruction - City Owned Properties - Award Contract]

CONTRACT. >> UH YES THIS LEGISLATION ALSO AWARDS A CONTRACT WITH BARRETT PAVING MATERIALS FOR THE PARKING LOTS AND DRIVE RECONSTRUCTION AND THIS IS ON CITY OWNED PROPERTIES. THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF FOUR SEPARATE SITES WHICH ARER SHOWN IN YOUR PAQUETTE PACKET WITH LOCATION MAPS FIRSTER ONE YARD WASTE FACILITY.

INSTALL NEW WALKING PATH AT RIPRAP ROAD PARK.

PAVING THE PARKING LOTS AT THE SENIOR CENTER, YMCA COMPLEX AND CONSTRUCTING A NEW PARKING LOT AND PAVING THE EXISTING DRIVE AT COMMUNITY PARK. THERE WERE FOUR CONTRACTED SUBMITTED BIDS. TABULATIONS ALSO IN YOUR PACKET.

BARRETT PAVING WAS LOWEST AND BEST BIDDER SUBMITTED BID FOR $664,430. BARRETT PAVING IS A LARGE COMPANY HAS DONE OUR ANNUAL PAVING PROGRAM MANY TIMES IN THE PAST. THE CONTRACTORER HAS GIVEN 125 DAYS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO FINISH ALL THESE SITES BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

FUNDING FOR THIS IS BEEN COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING AND GROUNDS PARK AND RECREATION FUNDS. NOT TO EXCEED $735,000.

[01:15:05]

>> THANKS RUSS. I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE YOU LOOKING AT THE EXHIBIT FOR COMMUNITY PARK THAT WE ARE FINALLY GOING TO EXTEND THAT PARKERING DOWN THERE.

IT'S JUST BEEN FOR SO LONG WHERE THAT-- DOESN'T PROVIDE A WHOLE LOT OF PARKING TO BEGIN WITH. AND THEN IT GOT PEOPLE OUT INTO THE GRASS AREA THERE. AND PARKING SO IT'S NICE TO SEE THIS PROPOSED NEW LOT ACTUALLY BEING RIGHT THERE WHERE PEOPLE ARE USING THE PARK THE MOST. SO I WAS GLAD TO SEE THAT'S BEEN HANDLED AND TAKEN CARE OF. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

YES? >> YEAH NOT RELATED TO THE PARKING, BUT ISN'T THAT AREA WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE EX EXP EXPANDED, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT GETTING SOME BENCHES THERE OR FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WAITING BETWEEN PICKLEBALL SETS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

ARE QUESTION STILL MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION?

>> I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH SARAH AND GET BACK WITH YOU.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YES, SCOTT?

>> YEAH RUSS IS A RIPRAP PARK CITY OWNED?

>> IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY BUT IT'S CITY OWNED IF THAT MAKES SENSE. WE OWN THE PROPERTY.

>> THE WHOLE PARK? >> YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF IT IS. I THINK BACK HALF FROM THE SHELTER BACK IS MIAMI CONSERVANCY DISTRICT OWNS THAT.

>> OKAY THAT'S ALL I HAVE MAYOR. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY THANKS SCOTT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY OBJECTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

[ Sanitary Sewer Repair - Different Locations - Award Contract]

RUSS? >> YEAH THIS IS THREE ITEMS ON THIS ONE. THIS IS AWARD A CONTRACT TO THIRST BROTHERS EXCAVATING FOR THE REPAIR OF SOME EXISTING SANITARY SEWER. THE FIRST ONE IS THEY MADE EMERGENCY SANITARY SEWER PIPE REPAIR TO A LARGE 16 INCH FORCE MAIN DOWN OFF OF POW ROAD. THIS LARGE PIPE USED TO PUMP SEWAGE FROM THE OLD TROY PIPE PUMP STATION DOWN TO THE WASTE WATER PLANT. AND DEVELOPED ALONG SLICE IN IT AND HE HAD TO MAKE AN EMERGENCY REPAIR ON THAT.

SECOND IS REPAIR OF THREE SEWER POINT REPAIRS.

THIS IS DUE TO THE LINING PROJECT WE DO.

THEY TELEVISE ALL THE PIPES THAT WE HAVE.

IN THE PROGRAM AND THEY CAME UP WITH THREE AREAS THAT WERE COLLAPSE PIPED THAT WE HAVE TO DIG THEM UP AND CUT THE PIPE AND REPAIR THE PIPE. THE LAST ONE, OKAY THE LAST PART OF THIS IS A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY I PUT IN HERE TO BE ABLE TO USE DURST BROTHERS FOR EMERGENCY WORK.

WE HAVE UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.

WE'VE USED THEM THREE TIMES ALREADY FOR EMERGENCY WORK AND THEY ARE ABLE TO COME OUT AND DO A REPAIR WITHIN A FEW DAYS AND IT'S HARD TO GET A CONTRACTOR TO DO THAT.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY IN HERE PROBABLY $20,000 TO $30,000 TO COVER ANY EMERGENCY REPAIRS THAT COME UP BY THE END OF THE YEAR. DURST BROTHERERS EXCAVATING.

AND IF IT DOESN'T GET USED, WE WILL PUT IT BACK.

>> OKAY NANCY? >> YEAH, RUSS ARE THESE REPAIRS ANYWHERE NEAR WHERE WE'RE DOING THE REALIGNMENT ON POWELL?

>> IN THIS ONE, NO. IF YOU GO DOWN THE DRIVE THAT GOES TO THE OLD 40 AND 8S CLUB DOWN THERE.

THERE'S A GENTLEMAN WHO OWNS THAT NOW AND ALSO TWO HOUSES DOWN AT THE END OF THAT. BEHIND ONE OF THE TWO HOUSES IS THIS LARGE FORCE MAIN. ACTUALLY IT RUNS FROM WALL GREEN'S THERE'S A PUMP STATION THERE ALL THE WAY TO THE WASTE WATER PLANT AND THAT WAS PUT IN IN THE '50S AND IT'S AN OLD STEEL PIPE AND WE'VE HAD A FEW BREAKS ON IT ALREADY.

>> OKAY SO THESE REPAIRS WILL BE DONE--.

>> THEY DID THAT REPAIR WEEK OR TWO AGO.

>> OH IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

AND SO THE POWELL ROAD REALIGNMENT SUPPOSED TO BE

COMPLETED WHEN? >> THAT IS COMPLETED.

>> OH IS IT COMPLETE NOW? >> YEAH THERE WAS ONE PROPERTY WE HAD TO DO A LITTLE TOUCH-UP WORK TO THE LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE ROAD. AND THAT'S I THINK FINISHED NOW

TOO. >> OKAY THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OBJECTION?

[ Canal Heights Master Trust Agreement Amendment]

>> YES MAYOR. SO THIS IS A TECHNICAL AMENDMENT

[01:20:02]

BOND SERVICE CHARGES AND THEN HAS A SLIGHT CHANGE TO THE DEBT COVERAGE RATIO UNDER THE AGREEMENT.

IT DOESN'T IMPACT US AT ALL. THIS JUST ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO COVER ANY SHORTFALL THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO COVER SO IT SETS UP A FUND WITHIN THIS MASTER TRUST AGREEMENT.

OUR MUNICIPAL ADVISER AND PLACEMENT AGENT PREPARE THE LEGISLATION AND THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS EMERGENCY

LEGISLATION. >> OKAY THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? OBJECTIONS?

[ Case BDP 26-19 - Coast To Coast Heavy Haul, Inc. - Basic Development Plan - 4742 West National Road]

>> YES SO THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. COAST TO COAST HEAVY HAUL IS ESSENTIALLY CREATING THEIR HEADQUARTERS HERE OFF OF NATIONAL ROAD. THEY WILL EMPLOY BETWEEN 10 AND 20 PEOPLE. THEY ARE KIND OF SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AT THE MOMENT.

THEIR BREAD AND BUTTER IS THAT THEY HANDLE LARGE TRANSFORMERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE WAS OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT BY THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH.

THAT OPPOSITION LETTERER IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.

IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH HEAVY HAUL, THEY ARE REALLY WILLING TO DO WHATEVER WE ASK THEM TO DO AS FAR AS LIMIT HOURS OF OPERATION.

LIMIT THE UNAFFILIATED PEOPLE FROM RENTING SPACE SO I WILL BE AMENDING THE ORDINANCE BY WEDNESDAY TO INCLUDE A PROHIBITION OF THEM RUNNING BASICALLY RENTING SPOTS OUT TO THIRD PARTIES. SO THIS WILL JUST BE THEIR

FACILITY IF IT MOVES FORWARD. >> OKAY.

THAT WAS CERTAINLY A CONCERN THAT I HAD.

AND I KNOW MR. WWW.ASWELL. CONCERN WAS THIS WOULD TURN INTO A TRAILER LOT BACKING UP TO SOME RESIDENCE THERE.

SO GLAD TO HEAR THAT THAT IS AT LEAST FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE THEY ARE OKAY WITH THAT BEING RESTRICTED AND RESTRICTION OF HOURS OF OPERATION. SO THAT'S GOOD.

APPRECIATE THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYMORE TO SAY. THAT WAS BEING YOUR WARD THE CONCERN YOU HAD. YES NANCY?

>> YEAH I WATCHED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND I DIDN'T HEAR ANY DISCUSSION ON WHETHER THEY WOULD BE FUELLING ON SITE.

>> THERE'S NO FUELLING PUMPS IN THE SITE PLAN.

WE DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING ANY. THEY DO HAVE A PRERE PAIR FACILITY. SO PROBABLY SOME HYDRAULIC FLUIDS AND OIL BUT THERE IS NOT AS OF NOW AND THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE SITE PLAN. NO FUELLING CENTRE AT ALL ON

THIS SITE AT ALL. >> OKAY.

BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER BIG ISSUE.

YEAH. YEAH I THINK PROBABLY FOR EVERYBODY. ANYTHING ELSE?

YES. >> THANK YOU.

>> ONE-- THE RESIDENT THAT FILED A LETTER IN OPPOSITION.

DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS EACH OF MR. MAYOR'S CONCERNS WITH THE PROPERTY?

>> I THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS MOST OF THE CONCERNS.

THE CONCERNS OF THE OVERALL USE IS NOT ONE WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS. AS FAR AS LIGHTING.

LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING RIGHT NOW PROPERTY SHEDS A LOT OF WATER ONTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT AS FAR AS STORM WATER RUN-OFF.

A LOT OUTLINED IN THE LET>> REPORTER: ITEMS WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PHASE REVIEW.

SO THEY MAY NOT BE IMMEDIATELY ADDRESSED DURING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. BUT AS PLANS ARE REFINED, THEY WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE DETAILS.

>> AND IN LOOKING AT IT, IT LOOKS AS THOUGH WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO A VAST IMPROVEMENT ON WHAT HE'S DEALING WITH THE RUN-OFF.

>> YEAH WE WILL CAPTURE AND SLOWLY RELEASE ALL OF THE WATER THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT ONLY IMPACTING HIS PROPERTY BUT THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST OF THAT AS WELL.

AND IN TALKING WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY ARE WILLING TO

[01:25:02]

AESTHETICS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. >> THANKS CHAIR.

>> YES ONE MORE. LOOKING AT THE MAP OF THE PROJECT. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE ANY ROOM FOR EXPANSION IN THAT AREA.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

THE ONLY WAY THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO EXPAND WOULD BE TO BUY THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY TO THE EAST.

WHICH APPEARS TO BE VACANT AT THE MOMENT.

BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT EXPANSION OF THEIR FACILITY AT ALL. THAT'S NOT COME UP AT ALL.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> WILL THIS GO TO TWO READINGS? >> IT CAN GO TO TWO READINGS.

>> AND A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY.

>> CORRECT. >> PUBLIC HEARING MONDAY.

FIRST READING, SECOND READING. OKAY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OBJECTIONS TO PUBLIC HEARING FIRST READING ON MONDAY?

[ APG Contract Amendment - Finance, Tax And Utilities Center/City Governance Center]

NEXT SIEPTOM 3L WHICH IS APG CONTRACT AMENDMENT FOR FINANCE TEXTS AND UTILITIES AND THE CITY GOVERNANCE CENTER.

>> THANK YOU MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL AS YOU RECALL IN FEBRUARY I BROUGHT TO YOU A RESOLUTION NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT $350,000 FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY AND AT THE TIME WAS A SWAG WHEN IT CAME TO OUR NEEDS AT THE FINANCE TAX AND UTILITIES CENTER. SO WE HAVE RECEIVED ALL THE NUMBERS BACK FROM APG REGARDING THE NEED FOR THE FINANCE TAX AND UTILITY CENTER. IN FEBRUARY OVER BY ABOUT $48,000. AND CHANGE.

AND THEN WE ALSO EXCEEDED THE AMOUNT WHAT WAS PROVED BY COUNCIL FOR A COUPLE THINGS NEEDED FOR THE NEW GOVERNANCE CENTER MAYOR AS YOU MENTIONED. THERE'S JUST TWO ITEMS TO THAT ONE AS THE CONFERENCE ROOM CHANGES THAT WOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THEN SOME BOOKCASES AND ADDITIONS FOR THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

SO I DECIDED TO PUT IT ALL IN ONE RESOLUTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THE FTUC CHANGES AND THE GOVERNANCE

CENTER CHANGES. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> YES. >> I WOULD ONLY LIKE TO MENTION THAT IT STINGS JUST A LITTLE BIT THAT I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN WE APPROVED THE ORIGINAL BUILDING OF THAT POLICE STATION. AND NOW I'M SEEING AN UPGRADE

MODERNIZATION. >> MODERNIZATION PLAN.

>> OH MY GOODNESS YEP. BUT I GUESS IT'S BEEN A FEW

YEARS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD SWAG. >> I WAS CLOSE.

I'M SORRY. OFF A LITTLE BIT.

[ Police Division Facility Improvements - Phase III]

>> ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.

NEXT SUP ITEM 3M POLICE DIVISION FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS FOR PHASE

III. >> THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

AS YOU RECALL, COUNCIL APPROVED MOVING FORWARD WITH A NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR A POLICE STATION. WHICH ALSO HOUSES OUR DISPATCH CENTER. ONE THING UNDER LEADERSHIP OF THE CITY MANAGER IS HE ASKEDTOUS PUT TOGETHER A COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THIS. SO NOT ONLY WAS IT AN APP AND MYSELF, BUT WE HAD A COMMITTEE OF THE POLICE CHIEF.

DEPUTY CHIEF AND ONE OF OUR LIEUTENANTS AND SOMETIMES BOTH AT A MEETING. ONE OF OUR SERGEANTS AND A PATROL OFFICER. AND WE MET ON-- WHICH YOU WILL SEE IN THE PRESENTATION ON A REGULAR BASIS TO GO THROUGH THE NEEDS. WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS TO TAKE US THAT I'M REQUESTING BEYOND THE NEXT MEETING TAKES US TO THE NEXT STEP WHICH WILL GO OVER THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT HERE IN A FEW SECONDS. BUT THE RESOLUTION TAKES US TO 60% DRAWINGS WHERE WE CAN GET A TRUE CROSS OF WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL COST THE CITY. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO TIM AND KEITH TO DO A PRESENTATION ON THE RESULTS OF OUR NEEDS

ASSESSMENT. >> MAYOR, COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.

AS ALEX MENTIONED YOU APPROVED IN APRIL 27TH TO MOVE FORWARD

[01:30:03]

AGAIN IT'S BEEN A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH.

WE'VE PUT A LOT OF HOURS INTO IT.

WE'VE SAT THROUGH A LOT OF DESIGN MEETINGS.

AND THIS GIVES YOU JUST A PICTURE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH STAFF AND LEADERSHIP WORKERING THROUGH THE DETAILS. REALLY TO KIND OF-- AND WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT FEEDBACK AND I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT PLAN MOVEMENT FORWARD WHICH TIM'S BEEN COVERING SOME DETAILS AND INITIAL FLOOR PLANS THAT WE HAVE FOR BOTH FACILITIES.

SO WE'LL START WITH THE POLICE STATION.

I'LL LET DOW THE ARCHITECT. >> YES.

GOOD EVENING. TIM BEEMAN'S WITH APP ARCHITECTURE AND JUST GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE RESULTS OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON HERE IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

SO THIS IS A SITE PLAN OF THE POLICE FACILITY.

AND I'M GOING TO USE THE POINTER HERE SO THE LIGHT GRAY AREA THAT IS THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE POLICE STATION.

SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH.

AND SO AS I STEP BACK HERE AND TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH INITIALLY A TOUR OF THE FACILITY.

TO REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THINGS ARE CONCURRENTLY LAID OUT AND REALLY WHAT ALL THE ISSUES ARE. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THIS STATION ONLY BECAUSE THE CITY HAS BEEN GROWING AND THEIR OPERATIONS CHANGE. AND IT WAS I'M SURE A GREAT FACILITY AND WELL BUILT AND IT GOES BACK TO M MR. WWW.THEREWITHHISCOMMENTTHAT THISISABUILDINGWE'VEFOUNDTHATIS WORTHWORKINGWITHFORTHEFUTURE. AND SO THAT AS WE WORK THROUGH THE PROGRAMMING AND REALY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE NEEDS ARE-- WE PUT TOGETHER A BUILDING PROGRAM THAT LIFTS AUT EXISTING SPACES AND WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE NEW SPACES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AND WHAT SPACES NEED TO BE EXPANDED SIZE WISE.

WHAT THINGS ARE DIFFERENT. WHAT ARE THE NEW NEEDS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR CURRENT AND IN THE FUTURE, AND SO AS WE PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER, WE CAME DOWN TO SOME SQUARE FOOTAGES AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT'S THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING AND HOW MUCH NEW CONSTRUCTION WE NEED TO BE ADDED. AND SO THAT WAS REALLY THE PRIMARY PIECE. AND SO WE KNEW THAT IF WE WERE GOING TO RENOVATE AN EXISTING FACILITY, THE BIG ISSUE IS HOW CAN WE KEEP EVERYBODY IN OPERATION WHILE WE'RE DOING THE RENOVATIONS. SO THAT WAS A KEY PIECE AS WE START THINKING ABOUT WHERE WE COULD ADD ON TO THE EXISTING FACILITY AND HOW WE DO THAT IN A WAY TO MAINTAIN THE POLICE OPERATIONS. AND WE HAVE THE DISPATCH CENTER IN THERE CURRENTLY. WE HAVE OF COURSE AN IDEA FOR THAT AND YOU'RE AWARE OF GOING OVER AS WELL IN TERMS OF HOW WE'LL PUT THEM INITIALLY HERE TO MAKE ALL THIS WORK.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE COURT'S BUILDING IS HERE.

THE FTUC BUILDING IS OF COURSE OUT HERE IN THE FRONT.

WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES HERE DOWN ON THE EAST SIDE.

AND SO IF YOU RECALL WE HAVE THE PARK THAT KIND OF TAKES UP THIS LARGE AREA OF WHITE HERE TO THE NORTH AND THEN TO THE EAST.

AND SO ONE OF THE MAIN REQUESTS WAS HOW DO WE GET ALL THE-- ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

AND MAKE THEM SECURE FOR THE POLICE STAFF.

TO GET THE STAFF AND MARKED VEHICLES ALL WITHIN A CONTAINED SECURE AREA. AND SO MAKE CONTINUOUS.

TO KEEP THE SNOW AND ICE OFF. IT'S ALL ABOUT GETTING OUT OF YOUR VEHICLE RELATIVELY QUICKLY AND GET OUT INTO THE AREAS THAT THEY ARE SERVING. THOSE WERE A LOT OF THE REQUESTS THAT WERE MADE CURRENTLY. THAT CONTINUES BACK AND CONNECTS TO THE REAR PARKING WHICH THEN SERVES THE COURTS BUILDING.

AND WHAT WE HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES OVER IS THAT THIS IS UNDERUTILIZED PARKING LOT AND PARKING SPACE.

SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS ACTUALLY EXPAND THE PARKING INTO THE POLICE PARKING INTO A PART OF THAT SPACE.

WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF SPACES LEFT.

[01:35:03]

BUT THEN WE WOULD RE-ROUTE THE DRIVE AROUND AND EXPAND THE PARKING THEN TO THE EAST. SO WE CAN GET ONE CONTINUOUS SPACE AREA OF PARKING. SO WE WOULD HAVE 48 COVERAGE STALLS UP HERE CLOSER TO THE BUILDING WITH CANOPIES AND THEN THIS WOULD BE UNCOVERED. THE DASH LINE THAT GOES AROUND WE HAVE A SECURITY FENCE THAT WOULD THEN GO AROUND WITH TWO GATES. ONE ENTRANCE WITH A GATE WITH CARD ACCESS COMING IN. RIGHT IN OFF THE DRIVE HERE THAT WOULD BE FOR THE POLICE PRIMARY VEHICLES.

AND THEN ANOTHER ENTRANCE OVER HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT WOULD BE FOR STAFF ENTRY. SO IDEAS WE CAN KEEP TRAFFIC FLOW SEPARATED WHEN IT COMES TO CITY-OWNED VEHICLES AND STAFF VEHICLES VERSUS PRIVATE EMPLOYEE VEHICLES.

SE THAT'S OVERALL ON THE SITE LAY-OUTS.

WE CAN SEE NOW COLOURED AREAS ARE ADDITIONS WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD. AND WHAT WE FOUND IS PRIMARY GOALS A LOT OF THE OPERATIONS SPLIT BETWEEN SECOND FLOOR AND FIRST FLOOR ALL DOWN TO THE FIRST FLOOR BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH MORE EFFICIENT FOR EVERYBODY AND I'LL GET INTO THAT PLAN HERE IN A MINUTE. SO JUST TO WALK YOU THROUGH WE HAVE AN ADDITION HERE THAT WOULD-- AND THEN WE HAVE AN ADDITION ON THE YELLOW WHICH WILL BE FOR THE DETECTOR BUREAU.

WE HAVE KIND OF THE PATROL-- SERGEANTS AREA IN BLUE.

AND THEN GREEN. AND THEN THE REQUEST NEED FOR ADDITIONAL COVERED PARKING. AND CLOSED PARKING FOR MORE TACTICAL VEHICLES AND SUPPORT VEHICLES HERE IN THE BROWN.

SO HERE IS THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE FACILITY.

NOW ALL THAT COLOUR HAS BEEN BLENDED IN.

SO TRYING TO KEEP COLOURS CONSISTENT IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAVE THE MAIN ENTRY IS HERE. TO THE EXISTING-- WHICH WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT AS THE FRONT DOOR. AND THEN AS WE STARTED LOOKING AT HOW THIS BUILDING WOULD BE LAID OUT.

IT MADE LOT OF SENSE TO KEEP THE RECORDS AREA.

VERY CLOSE TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THAT INITIAL INTERACTION AND SECURE INTERACTION NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

THE DISPATCH AREA CENTER IS CURRENTLY IN THIS CORE RIGHT HERE WITH REGARDS. THEY WILL MUSH OUT.

SO THE IDEA WILL BE THEY WILL BE UP AND OPERATIONAL AT ANOTHER FACILITY BEFORE WE WOULD START ANY OF THE INTERIOR RENOVATIONS HERE SO WE CAN KEEP THAT SERVICE CONSISTENT.

THAT FACILITY WOULD BE READY TO SWITCH OVER AND THEN ONCE THEY ARE MOVED OUT AND OPERATIONAL AT ANOTHER LOCATION THEN WE CAN START THE WORK HERE. SO THAT BEING SAID JUST NOT GETTING A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL BUT THE GENERAL LAYOUT OF THIS WAS THERE WAS A NEED FOR A TRAINING AREA THAT WAS MUCH LARGER THAN THE CURRENT ONE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SERVE NOT ONLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT STAFF BUT EVEN OUTSIDE AGENCIES COME IN. SO WE HAVE THAT RIGHT SIZED HERE RIGHT NEAR THE FRONT WITH TOILET FACILITYS.

AGAIN ABOUT THE LAYERING OF THE BUILDING WITH SECURITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE LAYERS OF SECURITY AND MORE PUBLIC AREA OF THE BUILDING AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THE AREAS THAT WOULD THEN SERVE THE DEPARTMENT. SO THE SECURITY KIND OF BARRIER IF YOU WILL SORT OF THIS ZONE AND THE PURPLE WOULD BE RESTROOMS BUT THEN AS WE GET BEYOND THAT.

IT BECAME AN OPPORTUNITY. AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE KEEP THIS FACILITY OPERATIONAL.

THE IDEA WOULD BE WE WOULD BUILD THE ADDITIONS FIRST.

AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE US THE SPACE TO MOVE INTO.

AND THEN ONCE THOSE APARTMENTS ARE UP AND RUNNING, THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND RENOVATE THE EXISTING SPACES.

SO THAT'S THE STRATEGY IS YOU HAVE TO BUILD SOME SPACE BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE SOMEBODY INTO IT. SO REALLY ALL THIS SORT OF BLUE CYAN COLOUR WOULD BE PATROL AND SERGEANTS AREA.

SO BOTH EXISTING SPACE AND NEW AREA THAT WE'RE ADDING.

WE HAVE TO PUT A STORM SHELTER IN THE FACILITY WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT NOW. NOW OF THE BUILDING CODE IN THE ROLE CALL AREA. THE ASSOCIATED TOILET ROOM WOULD BE DOWN HERE IN THIS CORNER. EVIDENCE WOULD BE THE GREEN AREA. SO WE'RE EXPANDING.

A BIG NEED TO EXPAND THE EVIDENCE STORAGE AND PROCESSING

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THIS RED AREA HERE IS EXISTING PORT AND THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE COURTS FUNCTION. SO CURRENTLY THAT'S A DRIVE-THRU. WELL IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AS A DRIVE-THRU SPACE SO NOW WE WILL KEEP THE OVERHEAD DOOR THAT'S UP HERE OFF THE COURT'S PARKING WHICH IS HERE ON THE WEST SIDE. SO THAT'LL BE MAINTAINED.

SO THAT FUNCTION WILL WORK VERY WELL.

AS IS. WE'RE JUST DOWNSIZING IT AND MAKING IT ONLY DEDICATED TO THE FUNCTION OF A PORT.

OTHER TYPES OF SPACES AND NEEDS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF SPACE.

AND THE SAFEST APPROACH TO THAT IS TO PRETTY MUCH HAS IT AS A STERILE ENVIRONMENT. PULL VEHICLE IN AND NO ISSUES WITH TAKING SOMEBODY OUT. AND THEM CREATING ISSUES WITH GRABBING WHATEVER IS AROUND. SO THAT CONNECTION WITH THE COURTS BUILDING WOULD MAINTAIN RIGHT THROUGH THERE.

SO ANOTHER REQUEST WAS TO HAVE THE EVIDENCE PROCESSING WITH VEHICLE TYPE EVIDENCE. AND ETHEM HAVING ENOUGH SPACE TO OPEN VEHICLE DOORS. AND GET ALL AROUND THAT PIECE OF EVIDENCE. AGAIN IT'S THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY.

ONCE THE VEHICLE IS THERE IT'S LOCKED DOWN AND ONLY CERTAIN FOLKS HAD ACCESS TO THAT. AND THEN THIS BROWN AREA WOULD BE FOR TACTICAL VEHICLE. TACTICAL VEHICLE STORAGE.

SPACES FOR VEHICLES AND SUPPORT VEHICLES.

AND THIS LIGHT BROWN IS STILL IN FLUX IN THE SENSE THAT WITH THE LEGISLATION THAT'S COME IN FOR STORING.

OR HAVING-- KEEPING. PETS FOR KENNEL SPACE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.

AND WE HAVE SOME KENNEL AREAS AND OFFICE THINGS THAT SUPPORT THAT. TRULY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW SOME OF THAT LEGISLATION WILL WORK OR HOW THAT OPERATION WILL WORK WITHIN THE FACILITY. BUT TRYING TO THINK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS COMING DOWN THE PIPE FOR FUTURE REQUIREMENTS.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST FLOOR. BASEMENT AREA.

LITTLE BIT SMALL HERE. NOT SURE IF I CAN ZOOM IN.

WHOOPS-- LET ME SEE HERE. THERE WE GO.

BASEMENT IS-- IT'S-- WE KNOW THAT-- SO THERE'S NO EXPANSION OF THE BASEMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE HEARD WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT-- AND HUBER HEIGHTS IS KNOWN FOR IT IS THE BEDROCK THAT'S UNDER. AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY IS BEDROCK AROUND. SO IT WAS-- NOT SOMETHING WE REALLY WANT TO GET INTO. SO WE COULD WORK WITH EXISTING SQUARE FOOTAGE. THAT WAS THE GOAL.

SO WHAT WE'VE ESSENTIALLY DONE IS EXPANDING THE LOCKER AREA.

THE RESTROOMS FOR BOTH THE MALE AND FEMALE SIDES.

WE HAVE A MUCH LARGER FITNESS SPACE WHICH WAS REALLY NEEDED AND WE'RE ESSENTIALLY FLIPFLOPPING.

AGAIN WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO KEEP SOME OF THIS OPERATION GOING AND RIGHT NOW THE RESTROOMS ARE ARE DOWN IN THE CORNER AT THE BOTTOM. WE'RE MOVING THEM UP TO THE TOP OF THE SPACE. SO THAT IS OVERALL MECHANICALS IN THIS GRAY AREA. AGAIN WE NEED MORE SPACE.

BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN MAKE IT WORK DOWN HERE.

IF YOU ARE NOT REAL FAMILIAR WITH THE BUILDING.

SECOND AREA IS NOT A DARK SPACE. THIS IS TUCKED UP INSIDE THE ROOF OF THE SECOND FLOOR IN THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING.

AND SO ALL THE WHITE AREAS ARE THE ADDITIONS.

THIS WILL PRETTY MUCH BE THE COMMAND CENTER SO THE CHIEF WILL BE HERE. ASSISTANT CHIEF.

FUTURE LIEUTENANT CONFERENCE AREA.

JUST SUPPORT SPACE. SO WE HAVE AND THERE WAS A NEED ALSO FOR SOME OTHER STORAGE. KA DEALT STORAGE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MECHANICALS. TO HAVE TO BE REPLACED.

AND THAT'S ALL PART OF THE SWITCH OVER NEW ELECTRICAL SERVICE. BACKUP GENERATOR.

SIZE FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING. ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DEALING FOR MODERN POLICE STATION DESIGN.

THE GOAL IS TO GET THEM INTO THIS FACILITY.

TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO SERVE THE COMMUNITY FOR HOPEFULLY ANOTHER 50 OR 75 YEARS.

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AND THEN I'LL TAKE YOU TO THE COMMUNICATION CENTER.

SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT THE CITY IS ACQUIRING.

THE BUILDING THAT IS THE CORNER TIMBER CREST AND TAYLORVILLE.

AND THIS BUILDING IS-- IT HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL.

SERVED THE CITY WELL SO A SENSE ALEX AND I WALKED THROUGH.

THE PROPERTY. AND THOUGHT THE WAY THIS BUILDING WAS DESIGNED FOR A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT USE.

INTERESTING THEY BERMED THE EARTH AROUND IT.

TOP PORTION OF THE GLASS AND EVERYTHING.

IT JUST LENDS ITSELF TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT IT'S OLD USE NOW TO ADAPTIVELY REUSE IT FOR THE COMMUNICATION CENTER MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

SO WE'VE DONE A COMPLETE-- LOOKING AT THAT BUILDING STRUCTURALLY. IT IS BUILD R BUILT-- IT'S AMAZING. IT'S ALL REINFORCED CONCRETE WALLS. AND THE ROOF IS IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE. JUST MADE SENSE THE LAYOUT IS NATURAL THAT THE DISPATCH AREA-- SO ALL THE PURPLE WOULD BE THE DISPATCH CENTER. AND WE ARE WORKING ON LAYOUTS.

SO DEBORAH IS WORKING ON. >> ANNOUNCER: WITH SOME VENDERS WE DID SOME INITIAL LAYOUTS SPACES TO MAKE SURE WE COULD FIT THE DISPATCH STATIONS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED.

WHAT'S NEAT ABOUT THIS IS THAT THEY ARE AT HIGH WINDOWS.

RIBBON WINDOWS THAT RUN HERE AS NORTH LIGHT AND THAT SPACE AND THIS IS ALL ON THE EASTERN SIDE. AND THIS WILL BE A RAISED FLOOR.

SO GRID SQUARES YOU'LL SEE WILL BE RAISED FLOOR AREA AND THE I.T. DEPARTMENT WOULD COME OVER HERE AS WELL GREEN AREAS WOULD SERVE I.T. A MAIN HUB HERE. AND SO ALL THE WIRING AND CABLING THAT WOULD SERVE THE SPACE WOULD BE CONNECTED TO A MAIN SERVER ROOM AND GO INTO THE FLOOR.

THAT'S WHY WE WOULD RAISE THE FLOOR.

THIS ALSO WOULD REQUIRE A STORM SHELTERER BECAUSE IT'S A MERCY OPERATIONS CENTER SLASH DISPATCH CENTER SO THAT WOULD BE RETROFITTED INTO THE BUILDING. AND WE HAVE ALSO A SPACE FOR EOC AND TRAINING IN THE LIGHT BLUE AS WELL.

SO RESTROOMS AND THINGS THAT WOULD SUPPORT ALL THAT.

WE HAVE-- IT'S JUST A GREAT-- JUST THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE TO ACCOMMODATE NEEDS. AND WE FEEL LIKE THIS WILL BE A GREAT LAYOUT AND A GREAT-- WILL SERVE THE CITY VERY WELL.

WE WILL HAVE A SECURITY FENCE THAT WILL GO AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALSO.

SO THAT IS THE OVERVIEW OF THIS FACILITY.

THERE ARE EXISTING ENTRANCES HERE.

STAFF ENTRANCE WOULD COME THROUGH THIS IS AN OLD LOADING DOCK THAT WE WILL REDO TO BE THE STAFF ENTRANCE HERE WITH PARKING REALLY ALL AROUND THE PERIMETER ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

SO THAT IS THE REVIEW OF THE LAYOUT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> YEAH, IS THERE ROOM FOR EXPANSION FOR MORE-- LIKE DISPATCHERS?

AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW? >> YES.

>> WE ARE BUILDING EXPANSION SPACE INTO THIS LAYOUT, YES.

SO WE HAVE IDEAS I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL THREE OR FOUR DISPATCH STATIONS THAT ARE PART OF THE COUNT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIT IN. SO YES, WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT

EXPANSION TO THE FUTURE. >> SO BOTH BUILDING PROJECTS.

NOT ONLY LOOK AT CURRENT NEEDS AND DEFICIENCIES WHICH I THINK TIM DID AN EXCELLENT JOB BUT ALSO REMINDED TIM AND OUR COMMITTEE THAT THIS BUILDING HAS TO LAST US ANOTHER 30 TO 40 YEARS. SO WE DON'T-- WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED AS THE COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO GROW. SO YOU'LL SEE SOME SPACES IN BOTH LAYOUTS WHERE THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL OFFICES.

FUTURE OFFICES. AND THAT WAS THE ANTICIPATION AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW THAT WE ADD ADDITIONAL STAFF NOT ONLY FOR OUR PATROL SECTION. OUR DETECTIVE SECTION AND THEN OUR I.T. INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS OUR DISPATCH COMMUNICATION NEEDS. SO YES, SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHATEVER WAS PRESENTED, WE TOOK A CONSIDERATION AND FUTURE

GROWTH. >> GREAT, THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES?

>> MAYBE JUST I SEE THE CHIEF HERE TONIGHT.

CHIEF I KNOW YOU'RE NEW TO THE JOB.

BUT HAVE YOU HAD MUCH OF A CHANCE TO GIVE THESE GUYS INPUT

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FROM YOUR PER SPECTIVE? >> ACTUALLY I HAVE.

AND MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

I WAS QUITE LUCKY TO STEP INTO THESE MEETINGS BEFORE MY APPOINTMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS IS I COULD GO ALL IN AS PARTS OF THE OPERATION.

DEPUTY CHIEF GAVE ME A TOUR OF THE CURRENT FACILITY.

NO DOUBT THAT IS A 34-YEAR-OLD BUILDING.

THE DIVISION HAS DAWN PHENOMENAL JOB FOR THE YEARS OF REPURPOSING SPACE INTO NEW SPACES BUT HONESTLY IT'S RUN OUT OF ROOM AND THE BUILDING IS TIRE SPOPD AS THIS PROJECT HAS COME TOGETHER AND THE PLANS, IT HAS REALLY AS ALEX HAS SAID, WE ARE MAKING PLANS FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.

NOT JUST NOW TO SPREAD OUT BUT AS WE GROW IN THE DECADES TO COME. SO IT'S PRETTY EXCITING.

>> AWESOME. THANK YOU SIR.

>> THE LIST OF MEETINGS YOU SAW THE FIRST ONE HE WAS NOT AT BECAUSE YOU HADN'T NAMED. I WILL GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE. CHIEF LANG VOLUNTEERED ALL HIS TIME FOR ALL THE MEETINGS EXCEPT FOR ONE.

HE JUMPED IN PRETTY QUICKLY INTO THIS PROJECT.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME CHIEF FOR COMING IN WHICH YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DO BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T OFFICIALLY START UNTIL TWO

WEEKS? >> YEAH, LAST WEEK.

>> ON VACATION AFTER THE MEETING.

>> SO I THINK JUST FROM PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE WE HADN'T TALKED PUBLICALLY ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION CENTER.

AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT'S UP THERE BUT I THINK NOW WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE DOWN THERE-- SOME THAT YOU TALKED TO ON A WEEKLY BASIS ABOUT WHAT'S COMING DOWN THERE. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OKAY TO TALK ABOUT ALL THAT NOW AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE PLAN THAT IS FOR COMMUNICATION CENTER IF THAT'S GOING TO BE-- WE'LL BE THE NEIGHBOUR DOWN THERE TAKING CARE OF THAT PLACE.

SO I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE DOWN THERE TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND. OKAY ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY SO FOR TONIGHT THEN PHASE III AS ALEX SAYS TO GET US UP TO 60% OF THE DRAWINGS.

UP TO SPEED UP TO THAT POINT. SO THAT'S WHAT PHASE THREE IS.

SO IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY THANK YOU APPRECIATE IT.

[ City Code Amendment - Chapter 1529 - Fireworks]

SO THIS PARTICULAR CODE I KNOW JUST PROBABLY WON'T GIVE REAL LONG HISTORY ABOUT THIS. HOWEVER, AROUND THE 4TH OF JULY IS ALWAYS KIND OF TUMULTUOUS TIME IN THE CITY BECAUSE PEOPLE A ARE-- WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE EXCITED AND WANT A LOT OF FIREWORKS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE PTSD WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WHO ARE TOTE ALE AGAINST FIREWORKS. AND WE'VE HAD I GUESS A BAN ON FIREWORKS. NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN THAT STARTED BUT IT'S BEEN AROUND EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL I'M SURE MANY YEARS BEFORE THAT. BUT I THINK IN TALKING WITH ANITA, THERE COMES A TIME WHERE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AND REALIZE-- AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK HERE TOO IF YOU WOULD LIKE. WHERE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AS LEGISLATORS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE TO ENFORCE. BY THE TIME SOMEONE CALLS THE POLICE AND THEY GET TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE THE FIREWORKS ARE SET OFF, THEY'VE GONE AND LEFT.

IF WE DON'T SEE THEM, YOU CAN'T CITE SOMEBODY OR ARREST ANYBODY.

AND WITH THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 4TH OF JULY THE WEEK BEFORE OF AND AFTER, IT JUST BECOMES SOMETHING THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. SO WE HAVE FORKER AS MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING-- COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM GOING OFF.

WE HAVE PEOPLE ASKING WHY DO WE HAVE A LAW THAT WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT? DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

AND POLICE WOULD SHARE THAT PARTICULAR LAW.

COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD SHARE THAT AND NOBODY CARED AND IT'S JUST OVERWHELMING, RIGHT? YOU CAN ONLY PUT SO MANY SANDBAGS IN FRONT OF THE RIVER BEFORE FINALLY THE RIVER OVERFLOWS AND THOSE THREE WEEKS AROUND THE 4TH OF JULY IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE. WHICH LEADS UP TO ANITA'S

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SO WITH THAT I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU ANITA.

>> I JUST FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THE STATE OF OHIO'S RULE ABOUT FIREWORKS. VERY SPECIFIC HOLIDAYS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO LET IT OFF. VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE TIMES YOU CAN LET IT OFF. I'VE HAD PEOPLE INFORM ME SINCE I SCOMPLIV WORK IN THE MENTAL HEALTH FIELD THAT THERE'S PEOPLE WITH AUTISM, WITH PTSD, DOGS, I'M SYMPATHET TOCK THAT.

I WORK IN THE FIELD. I KNOW THIS.

I'M SYMPATHETIC BECAUSE I HAVE FOUR TERRIERS THAT BARK ABOUT EVERY LITTLE MOVE THAT HAPPENS. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, WORKING IN THE MENTAL HEALTH FIELD, I FEEL THIS LAW BECAUSE IT'S VERY SPECIFIC AS TO WHEN IT CAN BE LET OFF.

WHEN WORKING IN THE MENTAL HEALTH FIELD, WORKING THERE IS TO GET PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COPE AND TO LEARN HOW TO LIVE IN SOCIETY WITH YOUR MENTAL HEALTH CONDITION.

YOU WOULD KNOW WHEN MAYBE YOU NEED TO LEAVE TOWN.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD LEAVE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE NO FIREWORKS. BECAUSE THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF SOCIETY COMING FROM FARM COMMUNITY I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THEM TO GO OUT TO FARM AREAS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE CITY LAWS SO I KNOW FIRSTHAND A LOT OF FIREWORKS ARE LET OFF DURING THAT TIMEOUT IN THE COUNTRY. BUT WITH THAT YOU WOULD KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANXIETY TOWARD IT MAYBE YOU MEDICATE A LITTLE MORE OR WORK WITH YOUR DOCTOR ABOUT WHAT TO DO.

I FEEL THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO-- FOR THE POLICE TO SAY THIS.

I MEAN I KNOW I'VE HAD RESIDENTS-- I CALL DISPATCH AND THEY ASK ME THE ADDRESS OF WHERE IT'S LETTING OFF.

WELL THINK IF POLICE OFFICER IS SITTING SAY OUTSIDE OF THIS PARKING LOT AND SOMEBODY CALLS AND SAYS I LIVE UP OFF OF OLD TROY PIKE AND SOMEBODY IS LETTING OFF-- WHERE AT? SO YOU'RE CHASING SOMETHING THAT'S UP IN THE AIR THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA AND THE RESIDENTS ARE CALLING IN NOT EVEN ABLE TO GIVE AN ADDRESS. IT'S SOMEWHERE IN MY NEIGHBOURHOOD. WELL WHERE? I MEAN IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TRACK THIS DOWN.

SO I FEEL I HAVE FAITH IN THE PEOPLE IN HUBERER HEIGHTS IF WE PASS THIS AND IT'S SPECIFIC ON WHAT DAYS THEY CAN LET THEM OFF.

THEY ARE GOING TO FOLLOW RULES IN GENERAL.

RULE BREAKERS MIGHT BE JUST A COUPLE WHERE WE COULD TRACK DOWN WHERE THOSE COUPLE ARE. I CAN TELL YOU THIS YEAR BEING AT THOMAS CLOUD PARK, I WATCHED PROBABLY SIX AMAZING FIREWORK DISPLAYS GOING OFF IN NEIGHBOURHOODS THAT I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHERE. BUT YOU COULD SEE THEM AMONGST OUR DISPLAY. SO I JUST DON'T THINK OUR CURRENT RULE REALLY DOES ANY GOOD.

I THINK WE NEED TO GET WITH THE STATE OF OHIO'S LAW AND BE CONSISTENT. AND IF PEOPLE NEED ADVICE, IF YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH MENTAL HEALTH CASES, PLEASE CALL MY OFFICE. I WILL HELP REFER YOU TO PLACES.

I JUST DON'T THINK CURRENTLY WE'RE UP TO DATE WITH A RULE THAT WE CAN ENFORCE AND WE NEED TO KIND OF GET PEOPLE ALSO.

WE'RE HERE TO GOVERN THE CITY. THERE IS A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO CELEBRATE OUR FREEDOMS. ONE IS CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAY. WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THAT RIGHT TO DO THAT BUT IT ALSO HAS TO BE CONTAINED.

LIKE I THINK THE OHIO LAW SAYS. ALSO I TRUST CHIEF NIZELEY IF IT'S A DRY AREA HE'S GOING TO PUT OUT THE ALERT THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE LETTING OFF FIRE WORKS AND IT WILL BE ENFORCED NOT TO DO THAT. ALSO I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IF THIS DOES PASS ON MONDAY THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE PEOPLE NOT RESPONSIBLE. IF SOMEBODY LETS OFF FIRE WORKS AND IT DOES INJURE SOMEBODY OR DOES HURT PROPERTY, IT'S JUST LIKE A CAR RACK. THEY ARE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. SO IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THAT RESPONSIBILITY. IT JUST MAKES IT SO IT'S LEGAL FOR THEM TO LET IT OFF IS BASICALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.

>> THANKS ANITA. I THINK THE THING IS THAT WE ARE UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS LEGISLATION WOULD BE DRAFTED WOULD BE JUST TO BRING US INTO COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THE CURRENT STATE OF OHIO LAW IS, CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT THIS IS-- FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE? SO NOT TAKING AWAY ANYTHING THAT

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AND WE'RE NOT-- ADDING ANYMORE RESTRICTIONS.

BUT WE'RE NOT-- MAKING IT ANY EASIER FOR THEM TO DO THE OUTSIDE OF THE DESIGNATED DAYS THAT THE STATE ALREADY SAYS IT'S OKAY. OKAY.

YES, NANCY? >> YES, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT EITHER ONE OF YOU HAVE SAID.

BUT AS WE KNOW, FIREWORKS GO ON FOR THE WEEK BEFORE, THE WEEK AFTER, THE WEEK OF, AND I SEE FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO ASK IS IT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR IS IT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD BE

RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCEMENT? >> THE WAY OUR CITY CODE IS WRITTEN ANY TIME THERE'S A FIRE CODE VIOLATION THAT WE CAN'T GET RESOLVED, THE POLICE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO AND ISSUE A CITATION IN THE COURT. SO THE FIREWORKS IS EVIDENT ENOUGH THAT YOU DON'T NEED A FIRE INSPECTOR SAY IT'S A VIOLATION. BUT USUALLY WITH ALL THE CODES THE POLICE END UP ISSUING THE ACTUAL CITATION.

>> OKAY. THE SECOND POINT AND I WANTED TO MAKE WAS THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE LEGISLATURE COLUMBUS PASSED A LAW THAT SAYS THE PRIVATE CITIZENS ASK NOW FIRE OFF FIREWORKS. NO AMOUNT OF LEGISLATION THAT WE DO HERE IS GOING TO ALTER THEIR BEHAVIOUR.

THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT WOULD ALLOW OR-- WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO ENFORCE IT. SO I'M REALLY NOT SURE WHAT WE INTEND TO DO WITH THIS. BECAUSE I MEAN-- IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, EVERY COMMUNITY HAS A PROBLEM.

AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OF THEM THAT CAN SHUT DOWN THE COMMUNITY, THE NEIGHBOURHOOD FIREWORKS THAT HAPPEN EVERY

SINGLE YEAR. >> SO THE INTENT OF THIS LEGISLATION. I MEAN JUST-- I AGREE WITH IT, THE INTENT ISN'T EVEN COMPLIANCE.

THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE A LAW IN OUR BOOKS THAT WE CAN'T ENFORCE.

WHEN THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT ALREADY SAYS PEOPLE CAN LET OFF FIREWORKS THE WEEK BEFORE, WEEK SXOF WEEK AFTER.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR US TO HAVE SOMETHING ON OUR BOOKS THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE SOMEONE TO DAHL POLICE OR CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND USE THAT PARTICULAR RESOURCE THAT WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INVESTIGATE OR TRY TO BRING SOMEONE INTO COMPLIANCE WHEN IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT ANYWAY. AND IT GOES AGAINST WHAT THE STATE HAS ALREADY PASSED. SO THE INTENT OF THIS LEGISLATION IS NOT TO BRING PEOPLE INTO COMPLIANCE.

BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW OUR LAW MATCHES STATE LAW. SO THE WEEK BEFORE, WEEK OF AND THE WEEK AFTER, DON'T CALL THE COPS WHEN THERE'S FIREWORKS GOING OFF. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEND ANYBODY. BECAUSE IT'S LEGAL FOR THOSE

THREE WEEKS. >> BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY LAW OR ANY LEGISLATION THAT SAYS THAT IS CONTRARY TO THE STATE LAW.

SO DEFACTO WE ARE ALREADY UNDER THE STATE LAW.

>> WE HAVE LEGISLATION THAT'S RIGHT NOW AGAINST THE LAW TO LET OFF FIREWORKS IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

>> OKAY. >> THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T DO IT. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.

THE LAW ON THE BOOKS THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T LET OFF FIREWOSHS KNOWING FULL WELL WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO STOP PEOPLE.

SO ALL THIS COULD DO IS MAKE IT EQUAL TO WHAT THE STATE SAYS SO WHEN SOMEONE DOES CALL THE POLICE OR CALL US.

OR CONTACT MY GOSH I HATE THOSE THREE WEEKS BECAUSE MY E-MAIL AND TEXT MESSAGES ARE ABSOLUTELY BLOWN UP BY FIREWORKS AND WHAT'S MORE FRUSTRATING IS YEAH THE LAW EXISTS BUT THEN TO HAVE TO TELL OUR RESIDENT WES CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S OVERWHELMING. SO ALL THIS IS GOING TO DO IS DO JUST THAT. MAKE OUR LAW MATCH THE STATE LAW AND WHEN SOMEBODY DOES CALL WE CAN SAY OUR LAW MATCHES THE STATE. IT'S NOT ILLEGAL FOR THOSE THREE WEEKS. THAT'S WHAT THIS LEGISLATION

WILL DO. >> YEAH, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU MAKE THIS DECISION. I THINK THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE FIRECHIEF SHOUF A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS AS WELL.

SO KEITH WOULD YOU LIKE TO-- KIND OF WEIGH IN ON THE FIRE PER

SPECTIVE? >> YEAH, AND THESE ARE JUST SOME STATISTICS AND ONE THE CODE NEEDS TO CHANGE.

IT NEEDS TO CHANGE TO EITHER BE MODIFIED TO STRENGTHEN UNDER

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THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS THERE. WHEN IT LAST GOT UPDATED IT ALLOWED VENDORS TO START SELLING FOUNTAIN STYLE FIREWORKS IN THE STORES. SO IF YOU NEAR 374345 YOU WILL NOW BE ABLE TO BUY ALL CONSUMER GRADE FIREWORKS IN AUTHORIZED RETAILERS IN THE CITY WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED.

SO ACCESS TO FIREWORKS COULD LIKELY INCREASE IF WE DON'T TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. FULLY RECOGNIZE YOU'RE THE LAW MAKEERS AND POLICY MAKERS BUT FROM A FIRECHIEF'S-- AND I LIKE FIREWORKS BUT FROM A FIRECHIEFER MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DATA OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT SHOWS THAT WHEN LEGALIZATION HAPPENED IN AREAS, INJURIES, DAMAGE, PROPERTY DAMAGE, ALL THAT HAS GONE UP. EVEN IN OUR AREA GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT THE FOUR YEARS BEFORE THE LAW WAS CREATED.

AND FOUR YEARS AFTERWARDS, IN MIAMI COUNTY, MONTGOMERY COUNTY GREEN AND WORN AND PREBBLE COUNTY THERE WERE 27 INCIDENTS INVOLVING FIREWORKS. THAT WAS THE FOUR YEARS BEFORE.

FOUR YEARS AFTER WE HAD A 78% INCREASE OF 48 INCIDENTS.

SO GOING AND LEGALIZING IS GOING TO CAUSE SOME PROBLEMS. THERE'S A STUDY IN IOWA THAT SHOWED THERE IS A FOUR FOLD INCREASE IN INJURIES OF PEOPLE VISITING EMERGENCY ROOM.

THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE.

THERE HAVE BEEN NO STUDIES I COULD FIND IN OHIO THAT SHOWS INJURIES BUT THERE HAVE BEEN STUDIES IN IOWA, MICHIGAN AND WEST VIRGINIA SHOWING LEGALIZATION DOES DO THIS.

CHIEF LANG AND I WERE BOTH POLICE OFFICERS TOGETHER.

WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER A LONG TIME.

I UNDERSTAND THE POLICE SIDE OF THINGS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE FIRE SIDE OF THINGS.

AND I TOTALLY GET WHERE YOU GUYS ARE COMING FROM.

BUT PERFECT ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE PEOPLE RUNNING STOP SCIENCE OR SPEEDING.

THE IDEA OF PERFECT ENFORCEMENT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE RIGHT NOW WITHIN THE CITY FROM A FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE COULD BE DOING SOMETHING.

NOT BEING ABLE TO GO TO KROEGER'S OR ANYWHERE THAT COULD BE REDUCING RISK. LIKE DON'T GO TO THE COUNTRY.

WE KNOW OUT IN THE COUNTRY IS A PERFECT PLACE TO HAVE FIREWORKS.

IN A CITY WITH A NEIGHBOUR TEN OR 15 FEET FROM YOURER HOUSE, IT'S A LITTLE MORE DANGEROUS. AND I'M COMING FROM A FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE. WE ARE THE FUN POLICE.

I THINK EVERY SINGLE LINE HERE WHETHER IT'S DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER WE HAVE TO GO ISSUE OUT THE CODES.

MY PERSONAL OPINION OHIO FIRE CHIEFS WHEN THEY SUPPORTED THIS SEVERAL YEARS AGO THEY THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A UTOPIAN ABILITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GO AND EDUCATE EVERYBODY INTO SAFETY. IN THE FOUR YEARS OF DATA YOU CAN SEE THAT EDUCATION HASN'T REALLY WORKED.

IT HAS INCREASED OUR TOTAL USE. LIKE I SAID THE WHOLE PART THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT PRIMARY OBJECTIVE SHOULD WE ENCOURAGE VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE THROUGH CLEAR EXPECTATIONS OF PUBLIC EDUCATION. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IS HAVING THESE ORDINANCES.

A LOT OF THE POLICE OFFICERS AREN'T AWARE AND THE ONLY REASON I'M AWARE IS WE HAVE NON1.4G FIREWORKS.

HAVING AN ORDINANCE SUN ANDSING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A TIME WHERE MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE THE PERFECT ABILITY TO ENFORCE.

IT WILL ALLOW FOR AN OFFICER TO BE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND SOME SORT OF LOUD THING GO OFF. THAT OFFICER AND CHIEF LANG CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. WITH THIS ORDINANCE WE NOW HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND SAY WE NEED TO SEE WHAT YOU ARE LIGHTING OFF. BECAUSE ANYTHING CAN BE DETERMINED TO BE A DANGEROUS ORDINANCE WHICH I THINK THAT DOES UP PENALTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO HAVING SOME OF THIS ALLOWS LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO INVESTIGATE AND SEE WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON. AND WE GO OUT AND THIS CAN GIVE US THE TEETH. THE ORDINANCE HAS TO BE CHANGEED. YOU HAVE A BIG DECISION ON YOUR HANDS AS TO HOW IT GETS CHANGED. BUT WE NEED TO NOT ONLY DECIDE IF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO LIGHT THEM OFF BUT DO YOU WANT THEM IN THE AVERAGE STORE IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S AN OPTION TO HAVE TOO TO BE ABLE TO REGULATE SALES. ALLOW USE BUT REGULATE SALES.

THAT'S ANOTHER COMPONENT THAT YOU HAVE.

>> YEAH BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE DRIVING TO RICHMOND.

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>> AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT SALES THOUGH TOO I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE LOCAL STORES COULD BE ABLE TO SELL EVERYTHING.

BUT IF OUR LOCAL REGULATIONS LIMIT OR WHATEVER.

OTHER THINGS COULD HAPPEN. >> AND WE HAVE TIME TO FIGURE THIS OUT. SO I THINK WHAT I'D BE INTERESTING IN SEEING WHAT IS SOME OF THE DATA.

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE GONE OUT TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE WHERE SOMEBODY HAS CALLED-- IF WE'RE LOOKING BACK FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS. I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY CITATIONS WHERE WE WRITTEN FOR FIREWORKS USE?

>> ZERO. >> SO THERE WE GO.

SO IT ISN'T A MATTER OF-- YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LEGISLATE PEOPLE INTO COMPLIANCE. PEOPLE WON'T VOLUNTEER TO BE COMPLIANT. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS IF T LAW IS THE LAW HERE. PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IT IS.

SOMEONE LETS OFF A FIREWORK AND THE NEIGHBOUR CALLS AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO ABOUT IT. I MEAN THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

BECAUSE WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES.

WE ALREADY KNOW NOW FOR FOUR YEARS NOBODY HAS BEEN WRITTEN THE CITATION FOR FIREWORKS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THAT. IF WE HAVEN'T WRITTEN ANY IN THE LAST FOUR PROBABLY WON'T WRITE ANY IN THE NEXT FOUR BECAUSE IT'S A COMPETING LAW. TRYING TO ENFORCE SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO. SO YEAH, I MEAN IT'S-- DO I THINK THAT-- YOU BRING UP GREAT POINTS.

THINGS THAT I HADN'T THOUGHT THROUGH ALL THIS YET EITHER SO A DISCUSSION AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WORK SESSION IS FOR.

TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DOES MAKE THE MOST SENSE? I JUST FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'VE GOT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

SO HOLD ON A SECOND. >> TO YOUR ANSWERS ON NUMBERS.

I WENT BACK THE LAST THREE YEARS.

WE USUALLY HAVE BETWEEN 80 AND 90 FIREWORKS CALLS A YEAR.

ON THE 4TH OF JULY THIS YEAR WE HAD 20 DURING THAT DAY.

IN COMPARESEN TO OTHER COMMUNITIES MATTER OF SCALE-- TOWNSHIP ON THE FOURTH HAD 8 BUT RIVERSIDE HAD 138 FROM THE POLICE DIVISION STANDPOINT WE WILL ENFORCE WHATEVER LAW IS ON THE BOOKS AND WE WILL RESPOND AS MANPOWER IS.

MOST CALLS I'VE SEEN THAT THE DIVISION HAS HAD THEY CANNOT LOCATE THE SOURCE OF IT. ONE EXAMPLE I SAW AS I PULLED UP THERE WAS 20 PEOPLE OUT IN THE CUL-DE-SAC.

OBVIOUSLY FIREWORKS HAD WENT OFF BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO RUN A FULL INVESTIGATION TO FIGURE OUT THE ONE PERSON THAT WAS LIGHTING

THAT OR FACILITATING IT. >> RIGHT AND THAT'S THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE IS HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO'S RESPONSIBLE? AND I THINK THAT'S IT. IF YOU KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE.

WHAT IS THE ACTUAL TEETH TO THE LAW BEHIND IT? AND ARE WE-- GOING TO WRITE THAT CITATION?

OR WHAT IS THE MISDEMEANOR? >> IT'S A FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOR. SO OVER THE COURSE OF THE THREE WEEKS DOES THAT STOP THAT PERSON WHO IS HELL BENT ON LETTING OFF

FIRE WORKS. >> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE DISCUSSION. NOTHING-- THE LAW WAS WRITTEN.

UNUSUALLY IN THE LAST DECADE OR SO.

THE LEGISLATUER HAS BEEN TAKING AWAY HOME RULE RIGHTS.

BUT IN THIS CASE. IT'S NOT A BINARY QUESTION OF YOU'RE EITHER IN COMPLIANCE OR NOT.

THE LEGISLATURE SAID WE WANT YOU TO USE YOUR HOME RULE POWER BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE POWER TO SAY IF WE CAN BAN FIRE WORKS.

SO THE CURRENT BAN IS LEGAL AND IT'S COMPLIANT WITH THE LAW.

BUT-- THAT'S A MATTER OF HOME RULE THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS DEFERRING TO. WHAT A COMMUNITY WANTS TO DO IS A MATTER OF POLICY. BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO ALLOW IT, THEN THERE ARE LIMITATIONS THAT EXIST WITHIN THE STATUTE.

SO FROM THE LAW DIRECTOR'S STANDPOINT, THIS IS PURELY A POLICY DECISION. BECAUSE IT'S EITHER ALLOWED FOR THOSE LIMITED DAYS OF USE OR BAN IT THEN MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ENFORCEABLE.

>> NANCY. >> YEAH.

THE CHIEF BROUGHT UP AN EXCELLENT POINT MAYBE A BETTER

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WHAT WILL WE DO. FIREWORKS OR SOMETHING.

PLANNED HERE IN THE CITY. WE HAVE NOTHING THAT STOPS IT.

>> PROBABLY NEED SOME-- PROBABLY THE COURSE OF A FEW DIFFERENT WORK SESSIONS TO MAKE MORE SENSE AND WORKED OUT LEGISLATION.

PROBABLY LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS. HEAD WRAPPED AROUND.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M AFTER. IS WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THE CITY. DOES IT MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO GO TO STATE LAW AND SAY IT CAN HAPPEN THOSE THREE WEEKS.

NOT ALLOWED THE REST OF THE YEAR? OR DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO KEEP A LAW ON THE BOOKS WHERE WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS, WE'RE FOR THE MOST PART SAYING SORRY THERE'S

NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. >> IS THERE A LIMITATION ON LIKE THE STORES AROUND HERE HAVE POWERFUL -- HOW POWERFUL THEY

CAN SELL? >> I DON'T THINK THE AVERAGE STORE CAN SELL LIKE ANYTHING OTHER THAN 1.4G AND QUITE HONESTLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THEY CAN SELL BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A LEGISLATION THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE CODE THAT CHRIS BRINGS UP IS WHEN 3743 WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, WHEN IT WENT THROUGH, THERE'S ONE SMALL PIERO TECHNIC THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SELL IN STORES. SO INITIALLY WHEN THEY WENT TO SHIP THESE THINGS WE GET NOTIFIED AND IT WAS LIKE YOU CAN'T DO THAT AND IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT THERE IS ONE THING THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SELL IN OUR STORES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF OUR ORDINANCE. SO IF WE DECIDE TO STICK WITH SOMETHING, WE DO NEED TO MODIFY IT TO TOTALLY ELIMINATE OR PREVENT THE SALES OF THAT OR JUST OPEN IT UP.

SO WHEN THAT LAW WENT INTO ORDINANCE I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S CALLED FOUNTAIN DEVICE OR SOMETHING BUT THERE'S ONE DEFEES THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SELL CU CURRENTLY.

OPENING UP I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE SOLD IN HUBER HEIGHTS WOULD BE 1.4G. CONSUMER GRADE STUFF AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYTHING ALLOWED TO BE SOLD OR NOT.

I WOULD HAVE TO GIG IN AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT IS ALL ALLOWED TO BE SOLD UNDER THE NEW OHIO CODE BECAUSE WE FALL UNDER THE HUBER

HEIGHTS CODE THAT WE FOLLOW. >> BUT WE'VE GOT STORES OF SIGNS THAT SAY FIREWORKS-- COME WITHIN 40 FEET OR SOMETHING.

>> THAT IS THOSE DEVICES THERE. >> SO IF WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE AROUND IT SEEMS LIKE THE RISK GOES UP.

>> I'M NOT A FAN OF HAVING FIRE WORKS FOR SALE IN A STORE.

FROM A FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE STRICTLY.

>> IF WE'RE REDOING THE CODE WE CAN LIMIT.

>> THAT'S A CHRIS THING BUT YEAH.

>> MARK? >> TO YOU, JOHN, OR KEITH REMEMBER BACK DURING THE COVID ERA AND AFTER? THAT WE HAD ALMOST STOPPED WRITING ANY TRAFFIC CITATIONS? HOW LONG WAS THAT FOR? THREE OR FOUR YEARS? COUPLE YEARS? YEAH SO-- TO THE POINT, ME WRITING CITATIONS FOR FIRE WORKS.

WELL THEN WE SHOULDN'T WRITE. WE SHOULD CHANGE OUR LAW.

THE WE HAD THAT SAME MINDSET WITH TRAFFIC CITATIONS, WE'D ELIMINATED THE LAW AND YOU CAN SPEED AND RUN STOP SIGNS.

OKAY. IN YOUR OPINION, IS THERE AN

ALTERNATIVE? >> FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, NO. HONESTLY IT IS THE VOLUME OF CALLS THAT WE GET AND THE ABILITY TO FIND THE SOURCE OF NOW IT MATTER THE TIME OF YEAR THAT IS OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE.

AND ALSO THE TIME THAT MIGHT TIE THAT CREW UP ON A BUSY TIME OF THE YEAR TO INVESTIGATE IT. TO BE A PROBLEM EVEN BEFORE COVID TO NOW. I THINK CHIEF NIZELEY HIT IT BEST AS PART OF VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE.

IF THE LAW WAS CHANGED AND PEOPLE KNOW.

I MEAN PEOPLE-- I DON'T HAVE THE STATS COMPLETELY TO GET THAT BIG PICTURE BUT I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW ALSO HOW MANY TIMES CALLED IN BEFORE OUR DATA SYSTEM CHANGES. I ONLY HAVE THE MOST RECENT NUMBER OF YEARS. HAS THAT CHANGED STATE LAW HAS CHANGED WE'VE SEEN THAT IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS BUT FOR US IT'S ALWAYS A MATTER OF RESOURCES AND RESPONDING TO THOSE AREAS TO

TAKE THAT KIND OF ACTION. >> SO IF COUNCIL SET A POLICY THAT WE DID WANT IT ENFORCED, COULD YOU DO IT?

>> I'M SORRY WHAT WAS THE SECOND PART OF THAT?

>> COULD YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT IF WE WANTED TO ENFORCE OUR LAW ON

FIREWORKS, COULD YOU DO IT? >> WE'LL RESPOND TO IT BUT I

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IDENTIFY WHO THE SUSPECT IS. >> I REMEMBER ROB SAID WE'LL ANSWER EVERY CALL. MAY TAKE A WEEK DEPENDING ON THE

LEVEL OF PERSONNEL WE HAVE. >> YEP ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

>> OKAY. I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TONIGHT MAKING ANY DECISIONS. ESPECIALLY HAVING IT ON FOR

MONDAY. >> YEAH--.

>> PUT THIS ON COUNCIL AGENDA THAT'S GOING TO SET A LEVEL OF EXPECTATION BOTH FOR AND AGAINST.

>> I'M NOT IN FAVOUR OF MOVING IT.

>> BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK INTO THIS.

WHEN MY FIRECHIEF TELLS ME SOMETHING THAT'S NEGATIVE TO SOME PART OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT GETS MY ATTENTION.

YOU SAID THAT WE HAD 20 CALLS? >> CORRECT.

>> ON THE 4TH. >> SXIVSIDE HAD 130?

>> THAT WAS FOR THE YEAR. THOSE WERE 138 FOR THE YEAR.

>> AND OUR 20 WAS THAT DAY? >> WE HAD ABOUT 87 SOMEWHERE IN THERE FOR LAST YEAR. CORRECT.

>> DO THEY HAVE AN ORDINANCE? >> I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S ONE THING I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT TO TRULY FRAME WHAT OUR NUMBERS MEAN. WITHOUT CONTEXT THEY DON'T MEAN

ANYTHING. >> RIVERSIDE HAD HOW MANY IN A

YEAR? >> 138 IN 2025.

>> AND IN A YEAR WE HAD HOW MANY?

>> ABOUT 85 AND OTHER TIMES WE'VE HAD EIGHT.

>> WITH THAT BIT OF INFORMATION MAY NOT WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

SEEMS IT'S WORKING IN OUR FAVOUR MAYBE.

SO IS THERE SOME REASON. NOW DO WE KNOW WHY THE STATE CHANGED THE LAW? HAVE WE READ THE MINUTES? OR HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE AUTHOR NOTES?

>> I HAVE NO IDEA. THE FIRECHIEFS THEIR STANCE HAS BEEN I BELIEVE TROY'S FIRECHIEF WAS QUOTED IN ONE OF THE NEWS ARTICLES I WAS READING. TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S A FARCE THAT YOU CAN BASICALLY GO TO A FIREWORKS STORE AND SAY YOU'RE GOING TO BUY THE FIREWORKS AND LAUNCH THEM OUT OF THE STATE.

BASICALLY SAYING THAT I UNDERSTAND THEIR PREMISE WAS IT'S RIDICULOUS. THEY ARE JUMPING THROUGH THESE HOOPS TO BASICALLY LIE AND SAY THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LAUNCH THEM HERE AND THE FIRECHIEFS SEEM LIKE THIS IS NOT THE BEST USE OF RESOURCES WAS THAT EDUCATION.

AND THAT WAS--. >> SO IS THAT IN SOME OF THE

STATE LAW? >> THAT THERE? NO. THAT WAS-- QUOTES FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THE LEGALIZATION OF IT.

>> AND WE KNOW IF THE STATE LAW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADOPTING HAS

ANY CURFEWS? >> YES, I BELIEVE I WANT TO SAY SOME WORDS ABOUT FIREWORKS PAST COUPLE DAYS.

THERE IS A TIMELINE LIMIT LIKE IT'S 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.

BUT WE CAN GET THOSE ANSWERS TO YOU.

>> CHIEF COULD YOU ENFORCE THAT LAW?

>> WE CAN ONLY ENFORCE IT WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE'VE GOT.

>> COULD YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WE WOULD NEED TO ENFORCER THAT STATE LAW.

>> I MOST CERTAINLY CAN. SURE.

>> SO I THINK THAT'S-- THERE'S SUCH A VARIETY OF FIREWORKS.

SO THEN LET'S COMPARE THAT TO TRAFFIC.

IF SOMEONE IS DOING 38 IN A 35 DOWN BRANDT PIKE THEY ARE TECHNICALLY SPEEDING. BUT WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T PULL SOMEBODY OVER AND WRITE THEM A TICKET FOR 38 IN A 35.

IF WE HAVE A LAW AGAINST FIREWORKS THAT MEANS YOU HAVE A LAW AGAINST SOMEBODY GOING IN THEIR BACKYARD AND LIGHTING OFF A SPARKLER. A BOTTLE ROCKET THAT JUST GOES--. THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW.

SO ARE WE GOING TO ENFORCE THAT? OR ARE WE GOING TO PICK AND CHOOSE AND DECIDE NO THEY GOT TO LIGHT OFF SOMETHING THAT LOOKS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE SETTING OFF AT CLOUD PARK BEFORE WE GO ENFORCE IT. SO I AGREE THIS NEEDS TO HAVE A MUCH BIGGER BROADER DISCUSSION. BUT I THINK IT DOES NEED DISCUSSED. BECAUSE WE ARE PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT LAWS. FIREWORKS ARE ILLEGAL.

NOBODY SHOULD BE SETTING OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.

LIGHTING LITTLE SNAKES THAT COME UP OUT OF THE-- BECAUSE THAT TECHNICALLY IS A FIREWORK. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO AGAIN I THINK MY INTENT HERE WOULD BE COMMON SENSE.

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HOW CAN WE MAKE IT MAKE SENSE. MAKES COMMON SENSE FOR EVERYBODY CAN LIVE WITH. ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHAT I'M

HOPING FOR. >> YES THE GOOD NEWS IS IT'S NOT EVEN BEEN A MONTH SINCE JULY 4TH SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO DISCUSS THIS. CHIEF COULD I ASK YOU A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS? SPEED LIMIT'S 35 CAR'S DOING 38.

WHAT DO YOU THINK? PULL THEM OVER?

DON'T? >> UNLESS THERE'S SOME OTHER

REASON FOR IT, NO. >> OKAY SPARKLER.

WE HAVE THE CURRENT LAW. SPARKLER.

STOP? >> HANDS OF AN 8-YEAR-OLD WOULD

BE FINE. >> SO ALL OF THAT'S JUST COMMON SENSE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INVOKES RIGHT?

>> CORRECT. >> AND NOTHING WOULD CHANGE.

>> NO. >> THANKS.

>> MARK I RESOURCED THE STATE THING.

IT IS 4 TO 11 ON THOSE TIMES. THE ONLY EXCEPTION WAS THEY DO PUT IN NEW YEAR'S EVE UNTIL 1 A.M. BECAUSE THE HOLIDAY AND MIDNIGHT SO IT GOES UNTIL 1 A.M. OTHER THAN THAT IT'S 4 TO 11.

>> OKAY TWO THINGS. ONE COUNCIL YOU ASKED ABOUT WHY THE STATE PASSED IT. BEFORE MY COMPUTER DIED, THE ANSWER THAT I GOT WHICH MAKES SENSE IS THAT IT WAS REVENUE ADVICE BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE WERE GOING OUT OF STATE.

COMING BACK AND DOING WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO.

THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT LIKE MANY ACTS, THERE COULD BE MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS. SO I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THAT IT'S THE VOLUME OF THE FIREWORKS.

THAT COULD LEAD TO A NOISE VIOLATION.

THAT COULD LEAD TO DISORDERLY CONDUCT.

THE PROBLEM IS WITH NOISE VIOLATIONS IT'S VERY HARD TO ENFORCE. DECIBEL METRES EVERYWHERE.

DID THE NEIGHBOUR RECORD IT. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY CHICKENS OR ROOSTERS ARE BANNED. I'VE HEARD RECORDINGS AND I WOULDN'T WANT THAT NEXT TO ME. SO THERE ARE OTHER MEANS TO ENFORCE THAT EXIST WITHIN THE CODE AND THE ARSENAL THE POLICE HAVE. BUT A LOT OF TIMES YOU GOTTA' SEE IT TO KNOW HOW YOU CAN DO IT.

SO I-- THE POINT OF MY COMMENT WAS TO SAY IT'S NOT-- THERE ARE OTHER LAWS THAT COME INTO PLAY THAT COULD DETER CONDUCT.

>> THANK YOU, YES. ALSO YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE INTON GET THEM ANYWHERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE FANTOM AND NEW TNT DOWN-- SO I AGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T REALLY WANT THESE MEGA FIRE WORKS. I'D BE TOTALLY FOR US PUTTING THE BANS ON WHAT. I JUST THINK IT'S GOING TO BE VERY HARD TO ENFORCE IT WHEN JUST IN THE NEXT NEIGHBOURHOOD YOU CAN GO BUY STUFF. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT EASIER

FOR PEOPLE TO LET IT OFF. >> ONE MORE THING JUST TO ADD ONTO THIS. WE HAVE 43,000 RESIDENTS.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BUY THESE EXPENSIVE FIRE WORKS.

THEY ARE VERY EXPENSIVE. SO I THINK-- I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE BUT I BET PROBABLY ONLY 1% WOULD HAVE THE BIG STUFF. 2% WOULD HAVE MEDIUM STUFF.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD EVEN IF YOU MAKE IT LEGALIZED OR NOT, WOULD STILL POSSESS THESE FIRE WORKS

AND SHOOT THEM OFF AT THAT TIME. >> IF THERE'S 1% ALL 430 OF THEM CALLED ME OVER THE WEEKEND. NOT OVER THAT WEEKEND.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S EVEN 1%. >> WHATEVER IT WAS THEY ALL CALLED ME. YEAH THEY HAVE MY NUMBER.

SO-- AND YEAH IT IS DIFFICULT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY WHO IS DISTRAUGHT OVER FIREWORKS AND THEY CALL AND THEY WANT THE POLICE TO COME OUT. AND THEY'VE CALLED THE POLICE AND THE POLICE DON'T HAVE TIME TO COME OUT BECAUSE OTHER THINGS

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THEY ARE CONTACTING US. THE QUESTION'S ALWAYS ASKED-- ARE YOU ENFORCING THE LAW? AND THAT BECOMES A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH SOMEBODY WHO WILL CALLING AND IS UPSET WHO KNOWS THERE'S A LAW ON THE BOOKS AND SO AND SO BEHIND THEIR HOUSE THREE STREETS OVER IS LETTING OFF FIREWORKS AND THEIR DOGS ARE GOING CRAZY AND THEY WANT SOMETHING DONE ABOUT IT AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY.

SEW AGAIN WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS COMMON SENSE SOLUTIONS TO THIS BETWEEN THE HEADS WE HAVE UP HERE AND STAFF AND FIRE AND POLICE CHIEFS WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND HOPEFULLY WHEREVER WE'RE DONE DISCUSSING THIS THAT'S WHAT THE OUTCOME IS.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION CHIEF LANG. IF SOMEBODY WUSS LETTING THEM OFF SEEING THE PRIVACY FENCED BACKYARD, WOULD YOU NEED IF THEY SAID NO YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK HERE, WOULD YOU NEED TO GO GET A

SEARCH WARRANT? >> POTENTIALLY.

PRIVACY ISSUES THERE. >> SO THEN AT THAT POINT YOU'RE PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO CATCH THEM.

>> DEPENDS ON WHEN YOU RECEIVE THE CALVER SUS ACTUALLY WITNESSING SO IT YEAH DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE FOR US.

>> OKAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING.

IF PEOPLE ARE LETTING THESE OFF IN PRIVACY FENCED BACKYARDS HOW WOULD YOU EVER KNOW IT BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO LET YOU BACK THERE FOR YOU TO SEE IT I WOULD THINK WITHOUT-- AND LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE COURTS ON THE 4TH OF JULY AND BE ABLE TO GET A SEARCH WARRANT TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS WANTING TO GET AT. OKAY.

THANKS. >> ANYTHING ELSE? AND WE'LL BRING THIS BACK. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD START.

IF WE CAN PUT THIS BACK ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA.

I THINK I WOULD-- SO TO THE CHIEFS AND FROM THE CODE PERSPECTIVE MAYBE JUST HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS HAVING HERE INTERNALLY AND SPEAKER-- OKAY. AWESOME, THANK YOU.

[ Liquor Permit #10018202-1 - New - China Cottage - 6488 Chambersburg Road]

NEW FOR CHINA COTTAGE 6488 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.

>> OKAY LIKE YOU SAID NEW LIQUOR PERMIT.

IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE POLICE AND FIRE DIVISIONS WITH THAT OBJECTION AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S A LITTLE LATE THAN NEVER BUT EVERYBODY LOVES A GOOD COCKTAIL WITH THEIR KUNG PAO CHICKEN. SO WE WOULD ASK FOR COUNCIL'S ACTION AND REMEMBERING THAT THIS ACTION IS JUST A MOTION TO NOT EXPRESS OBJECTION TO THE DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL FOR

THE PERMIT. >> OKAY ANY OBJECTIONS?

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COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS. >> YEAH JUST HAVE. BUD HUMAN

RESOURCES. >> THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR.

>> FULL CAPACITY. I'LL MAKE A PLUG TOO FOR-- WE'RE DOWN TO JUST TWO REMAINING VACANCIES ACROSS ALL OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. WE HAVE ONE ON THE CITIZENS WATER AND SEWE RCHL ADVISORY BOARD WHICH YOU HEARD THIS EVENING AS WELL ONE ON THE TAX REVIEW BORDER.

BUT IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO STEP UP FORKER THOSE VAK ANDS WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE VOLUNTEERS.

BUT FOR TONIGHT, THIS IS THE ONE I'M BRINGING BEFORE YOU.

>> AWESOME ANY QUESTIONS OR OBJECTIONS? OKAY. AND NEXT UP ITEM 3Q WE HAVE A REASON FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.

>> YES IT WOULD JUST BE FOR ONE REASON.

MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSIDER EMPLOYMENT ISSUES UNDER PERSONNEL MATTERS RELATED TO PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.

[ Executive Session - Reason(s) To Be Specified At The Meeting]

>> OKAY. >> MOVE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE

SESSION. >> AND I WILL SECOND IT.

>> OKAY MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION?

TONY? >> MR. CHAPEL BELL.

>> YES. >> MR. VBYRGE.

>> YES. >> MR. KITCHEN.

>> YES. >> MR. WEBB?

>> YES. >> MR. DAVIDSON.

>> YES. >> OKAY.

IT IS 8:37. WE'RE NOW MOVING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. IF THERE IS ANY SPE

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