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[ AGENDA CITIZEN COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD City Governance Center - Council Chambers 6151 Brandt Pike July 21, 2026 6:00 P.M.]
UM, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.UM, TODAY IS JULY 21ST, 2025 AND IT'S 6:01 PM AND MR. RELL, WOULD YOU TAKE THE ROLE, PLEASE? SURE.
UH, MR. ADAMS PRESENT? MS. CLARK PRESENT, MS. F PRESENT AND MS. STEVENS PRESENT? UH, MS. BROOKSHIRE HAD ALREADY NOTIFIED ME THAT SHE WAS NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BE HERE, SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS WITH THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR MR. KING, BUT HE IS NOT HERE AT THE MOMENT, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE AND THEN IF HE SHOWS UP, WE CAN GIVE HIM THAT.
SO WE HAVE MINUTES GIVEN TO US FOR THE JUNE MEETING OR THE MAY MEETING.
UM, THEY WERE SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY.
IS THERE ANY CORRECTIONS? EVERYBODY SATISFIED WITH THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE PRESENTED? I'M FINE.
UM, WITHOUT OBJECTION THEN THE MINUTES FOR THE MEETING FROM MAY 26TH, 2026 FOR CITIZEN COMPLAINT BOARD REVIEW AND, UH, APPROVED.
UM, THE PENDING BUSINESS WE HAVE IS DISCUSS THE DRAFT REF, THE DRAFT REVISIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO DISCUSS ON THERE OR A QUESTION OR ANYTHING? NOPE.
WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY COMING HERE.
SO HOW YOU DOING? ARE YOU MR. KING? YES.
WE'LL TABLE THE DRAFT REVIEW FOR JUST A MINUTE UNTIL WE GIVE HIM THE OATH.
MR. KING, RIGHT HERE WITH THE BLUE FOLDER.
AND BEFORE WE GO FURTHER HERE, CAN I GIVE YOU THE OATH HERE FOR THE BOARD REVIEW? SURE.
IF YOU WOULD, UM, READ THAT DOWN, DOWN THE BOTTOM.
I SCR KING DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF OHIO, THE CHARTER AND ALL ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND I WILL FAITHFULLY, HONESTLY, AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES.
AND MR. KING, DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE, UM, GRAPHIC VISIONS I SENT? DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION CHANGES OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO DO WITH THAT? UM, SORRY, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, FOR SECTION THREE, IT OUTLINES, UH, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE LAW DIRECTOR FUNDS GO BY US AND THE BOARD AGREES THAT THE PROCESS CLOSES, BUT I WAS CURIOUS IF WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A, UM, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE BOARD DISAGREES? IF THE LAW DIRECTOR'S ASSESSMENT? OKAY.
COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT? HE HAS A, OH, WHAT SECTION? I'M SORRY, WHAT SECTION IS THAT AGAIN? THAT YOU SAID SECTION THREE? SECTION THREE, YEAH, SECTION THREE.
HE HAS A QUESTION CONCERNING IF, UM, THE LAW DIRECTOR DOES THAT.
SO BASICALLY, UH, THERE'S A PROVISION THAT SAYS, UM, THAT IF SOMETHING GOES UP FOR REVIEW FOR, TO THE LAW DIRECTOR, YOU PROVIDES AN ASSESSMENT.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DISAGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT IS THE, JUST THE FOLLOWING STEP OR YEAH.
THE WAY IT CURRENTLY READS IS, UM, IF THAT THE, UH, BOARD DISAGREES WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR'S REVIEW, UM, THEN THE BOARD WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE A, A HEARING.
UH, AND SO THEN THERE WOULD BE A HEARING ON THAT, THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.
UM, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
SO THE BOARD, I WAS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE LAWYER WOULD REVIEW WHAT THE BOARD SUGGESTED OR LOOK AT WHAT THE BOARD STATED
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OVERALL, AND THEN THEY WOULD BE MAKING THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS.WE DON'T MAKE THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS CORRECT.
WE'RE JUST THERE TO ACT AS A VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY AND YOU SHOULD GET INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS.
SO IF, UM, THE, THE WAY IT WORKS BY, BY ORDINANCE AND, AND I TRIED TO CLARIFY THIS A LITTLE BIT BIT, I TRY TO CLARIFY IT IN THE, IN THE POLICY.
SO THIS BOARD IS EMPOWERED TO, UM, REVIEW BASICALLY COMPLETED, UM, INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATIONS OF WHICH THAT THE COMPLAINANT FEELS THAT, THAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS NOT DONE TO THEIR SATISFACTION.
SO EITHER INTERNALLY AN IN AN INVESTIGATION THAT WAS EITHER, UM, INITIATED INTERNALLY OR MORE LIKELY AN ISSUE THAT WAS AN INVESTIGATION THAT WAS, UM, INITIATED FROM AN EXTERNAL INDIVIDUAL.
SO, UM, ONCE THE, UM, REVIEW, ONCE THE, UH, IA ASSESSMENT IS COMPLETE AND THE FINDINGS ARE RELEASED TO THAT COMPLAINANT THAT COM, THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BASICALLY, UH, REQUEST A REVIEW OF THAT PROCESS BY THIS BOARD.
UM, BEFORE THAT OCCURS, OR IF THAT OCCURS, THEN THE LAW DIRECTOR REVIEWS THE ENTIRE PROCESS, THE IA INVESTIGATION AND, AND THE, AND THE FINDINGS AND THE OUTCOME.
IF THE LAW DIRECTOR FINDS THAT, UM, THERE, THAT THE OUTCOME WAS NOT INFLUENCED BY, UM, THAT THOSE FACTORS, UH, RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, SEX, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN, THEN THE LIKELY OUTCOME WOULD BE THAT THE LAW DIRECTOR WOULD, WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT, THAT THE CASE IS OVER.
LIKE HE, HE DOES NOT, HE WOULD FEEL THAT THE, THAT THE IA REVIEW WAS SATISFACTORY.
THIS BOARD THEN WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT DETERMINATION AND AGREE OR NOT AGREE.
AND IF YOU AGREE THAT THE REVIEW WAS DONE SATISFACTORY, THEN THE CASE IS OVER.
IF YOU FEEL THAT THE IA REVIEW, UM, THE OUTCOME WAS, WAS IN FACT INFLUENCED BY RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, SEX, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN, THAT'S WHEN YOU COULD THEN VOTE TO MOVE TOWARDS A HEARING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
NOW BY ORDINANCE, THE OUTCOME OF THAT HEARING WOULD BE LIMITED TO A RECOMMENDATION ON POLICY CHANGES OR TRAINING CHANGES.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, UM, DISCIPLINARY ACTION OF THAT OFFICER.
SO IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE OUTCOME, IF THERE, IF IT WERE AN OUTCOME THAT IDENTIFIED A GAP IN POLICY OR GAP IN TRAINING, THAT WOULD BE THEN THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, THAT THIS BOARD WOULD THEN MAKE TO THE CITY MANAGER TO FILL THAT GAP OR ALTER THE TRAINING THAT, THAT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.
AND IF THERE IS A COMPLAINT, THAT COMPLAINT IS INITIATED BY THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE WHO'S ACTING AS IN THIS PROCEDURE.
SO YEAH, IT WOULD BE, SO THE, THE COMPLAINT WOULD BE EITHER FILED BY A RESIDENT OR SOMEBODY WHO INTERACTED WITH THE POLICE OFFICER, UM, AND IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE NORMAL INTERNAL AFFAIRS REVIEW THAT IS, UM, OUTLINED IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
SO, UM, THERE IS ANOTHER REVIEW OF THESE POLICIES GOING ON BY OUR LAW DIRECTOR TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT IN CONFLICT WITH OUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, AND IT WAS JUST, UH, THE, THE, THE POLICY SORT, UM, SAYS THAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON POLICY AND TRAINING ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY MANAGER.
IS THERE A REQUIRED TIMELINE OR PROCESS FOR THE CITY MANAGER OR PD TO RESPOND OR TO, TO IMPLEMENT, UH, ANY OF THESE CHANGES OR RECOMMENDATIONS? EXCUSE ME.
WE WOULD REPORT BACK TO YOU AS ADMINISTRATION IF THIS WAS YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND THIS IS THE OUTCOME.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS GONNA BE, LIKE, IF THERE WAS A SET TIMELINE OR EVEN THERE IS NOT.
HOW DO WE SET A TIMELINE TO ONCE IT GOES TO THE CITY MANAGER? I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A TIMELINE, LIKE WHEN WE COULD EXPECT A RESPONSE.
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IS THERE A PROCEDURAL, LIKE I'M JUST LIKE VISUALLY THAT WE COULD PUT TOGETHER IF THIS THEN THAT LIKE, UH, THERE IS A FLOW CHART TREE OR SOMETHING? YES, THANK YOU.THERE WAS A, SORRY, THERE WAS A FLOW CHART THAT WAS PART OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE FLOW CHART.
WE DIDN'T THINK NEEDED ANY ADJUSTMENT.
IT'S REALLY MORE THE WRITTEN POLICIES, BUT THERE IS A FLOW CHART THAT KIND OF GOES, IF THIS, THEN THIS, THEN THAT.
YEAH, I'VE GIVEN YOU A FLOW CHART, PASS IT DOWN TO YOU MM-HMM
BUT WHERE ARE WE MAKING SOME, DIDN'T WE MAKE REVISIONS TO THIS THOUGH? NOT AT THE HOT, NOT AT THE SORT OF THE 30,000 FOOT LEVEL.
THE PRO THE PROCESS DIDN'T CHANGE.
THE, THE TECHNICAL WORDING OF THE PROCESS CHANGED, BUT THE STEPS THAT OCCUR I THINK REMAIN THE SAME.
YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF IT WAS BROKEN OUT ON THE, THE PROCESS IF THIS THEN THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE WE HAVE IT ON PART OF IT, RIGHT.
HEARING APPROPRIATE OR NOT, BUT NOT ON THE LAW DIRECTOR.
I'M UNABLE TO HEAR YOUR WAY DOWN HERE.
WE HAVE, I WAS SAYING THIS DECISION TREE, UM, HAS MAY NOT HAVE CHANGED, BUT I THINK WE HAVE BROKEN IT OUT WHERE IT SAYS HEARING APPROPRIATE, YES OR NO.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR AS WELL.
SO WE KNOW LIKE IF THIS, THEN THAT.
SO WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AT EACH STEP, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND, AND AND THE, THE, THE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING WAS, UM, THERE'S A 12, THERE'S THAT 12 MONTH CLOCK.
COULD IT EXPIRE BEFORE THE CCRB UH, REVIEW PROCESS? UH, IS EVEN LIKE COMPLETED OR FINISHED? I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST KIND OF THINKING NO, BECAUSE THE 12 MONTH CLOCK STARTS WHEN, AND THAT'S REALLY MORE OF A RECORD RETENTION CLOCK.
UH, SO THAT, THAT CLOCK STARTS WHEN ONE OF THE PROCESSES, THESE ARE EITHER COMPLETE THE, THE, THE INDIVIDUAL DOESN'T FILE A REQUEST FOR REVIEW OR THE LAW DIRECTOR MAKES A DETERMINATION AND IT'S AFFIRMED BY THIS GROUP THAT THE, THAT THE RE THE IA PROCESS WAS, WAS FINE.
THEN THE 12 MONTH CLOCK OF RECORD RETENTION STARTS THEN.
UM, THERE IS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS, DEPENDING ON THE STEP OF, BETWEEN ROUGHLY 45 DAYS AND 30 DAYS WHERE EACH STEP NEEDS TO, TO OCCUR, THIS BOARD BE NOTIFIED, UM, THE APPLICANT OR THE COMPLAINANT BE NOTIFIED, WE HOLD A MEETING OR WE DON'T HOLD A MEETING.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE VARIOUS TIMELINES AND UH, AND I TRIED TO, WHEN I REVIEW RISE, THE, THE, UM, POLICY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH TIME TO BE ABLE TO CONVENE A QUORUM.
SO IT WASN'T LIKE WE GOT THIS COMPLAINT FIVE DAYS LATER, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
THERE'S, THERE'S MANY WEEKS THERE THAT THIS BOARD HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO CONVENE.
AND, AND JUST FOR MY OWN CLARIFICATION, UH, THE COMPLAINANT, WHO EXACTLY IS THAT IN, IN, IN THESE, IN THESE MATTERS? SO THAT WOULD BE THE INDIVIDUAL WHO INITIATED A COMPLAINT WITH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND NOW THAT, THAT COULD BE INTERNAL, BUT MOST LIKELY WOULD BE EXTERNAL.
AND, AND JUST SO I'M, I'M, I'M, AND I'M, I KNOW MOST CITIES OR MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THIS MECHANISM, BUT IS THERE A CONFIDENTIALITY SORT OF FOR PEOPLE WHO WANNA REPORT THINGS TO YOUR, TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS? UM, WITHOUT, LIKE, LET'S SAY LIKE I'M A POLICE OFFICER AND I'VE, I'VE GOT A PARTNER WHO I THINK IS A LITTLE SHADY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO DISCRIMINATION AND I WANNA MAKE A REPORT TO IA, BUT I DON'T WANT MY NAME IN ANYTHING.
IS THERE, IS THERE A MECHANISM FOR THAT OR, UH, FOR THE INITIAL COMPLAINT, THERE IS, WE TAKE ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS.
UM, MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT, UM, IF, IF, OBVIOUSLY I HAVE NO ONE TO NOTIFY OF THE RESULTS, UM, BUT IF SOMEONE DID A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, THEY COULD ALSO BE ANONYMOUS.
AND I GUESS AT THAT POINT THAT WOULD BE A, A WAY FOR THEM TO CONTACT YOU
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FOR, FOR YOU TO REVIEW IT.UM, AND THEY COULD STILL REMAIN ANONYMOUS.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT PART, BUT I GUESS THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING IN YOUR POLICY, BUT OKAY.
THAT'S, I WOULD BE, I WOULD BELIEVE THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
I COULD SEE WHERE KIND OF, IF, IF THAT WERE THE CASE OR, OR IF IT WEREN'T THE CASE WHERE THERE WAS THAT MECHANISM THAT WOULD BE A SUB COMPLAINT SOMEBODY COULD BRING IS THAT I FELT THE ENVIRONMENT WAS SO INTIMIDATING THAT I DIDN'T HAVE A, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, I, I, I GOT SOME REPRISAL BECAUSE OF IT.
NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT.
SO AS LONG AS I KNOW THAT THAT'S OUT THERE, THEN I CAN KIND OF, YEAH, TO DEPUTY CHIEF'S POINT, I THINK IF THE INITIAL COMPLAINT IS ANONYMOUS, WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP THAT ANONYMITY THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WHICH MIGHT MAKE FOR A DIFFICULT HEARING, BUT WE WOULD, WE WOULD CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN IT COMES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? WHERE ARE WE AT IN THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW?
SO WE'RE AT, UM, UNDER PENDING FIVE A MM-HMM
UM, YEAH, I HAD A, I LOOKED AT YOUR REVISIONS AND I WAS OKAY WITH AND FOR THE MOST PART, BUT I WAS WONDERING, CONSIDERING OUR ROLE IN THIS WHOLE PROCEDURE, SHOULD WE NOT, WHEN WE'RE PRESENTED WITH A COMPLAINT, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A CONSENSUS OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS BASED ON THE MAKEUP OF THE, UM, THE BOARD ITSELF, WE SELECTED LIKE FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS THAT YOU WANTED INCLUDED IN THIS.
SO YOU MAY GET, LIKE THE SUPREME COURT, YOU MAY GET FIVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS AS WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO GET TOGETHER AND TRY AND COME UP WITH ONE OPINION.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO, I WOULD NOT THINK SO.
'CAUSE I THINK YOU, YOU ALL COME FROM THE ISSUE AT, FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, RIGHT? EXACTLY.
UM, SO I THINK THAT, AND, AND THESE ARE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES, SO EVERY COMPLAINT WILL BE DIFFERENT AND WE'LL HAVE ITS OWN FACT SET.
UM, SO I WOULD, AND I'M JUST SPECULATING, I WOULD THINK THAT IF IT COMES, IF THE PROCESS PLAYS OUT ALL THE WAY TO THE END TO WHERE WE, UH, TO THE, WHERE THIS BOARD IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON POLICY OR TRAINING, IT WOULD BE GREAT, GREAT IF THERE WERE A CONSENSUS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S NECESSARY.
UM, AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD FEELS, AS A MAJORITY FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH WHATEVER THAT, UM, THAT RECOMMENDATION IS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE SPLIT VOTES ON BOARDS ALL THE TIME.
UM, BUT, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
AND THAT, AND THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FIRST CASE WE HAVE WILL SORT OF BE THE TEST CASE OF HOW, HOW THIS ALL WORKS OUT.
UM, BUT, UM, I WOULD THINK THAT GIVEN THE NATURE OF, OF EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD, THEY WILL, YOU WILL ADD, YOU WILL ADD TO WHATEVER THAT RECOMMENDATION IS AND, AND WHETHER IT'S A CHANGE IN POLICE POLICY OR A CHANGE IN TRAINING, I THINK THE FACTS OF WHAT THE FACTS OF THAT CASE WILL, WILL DICTATE WHAT THAT OUTCOME IS.
I FEEL LIKE I'VE TALKED IN A CIRCLE, BUT
UM, WE WOULD NOTIFY THAT INDIVIDUAL OF WHAT THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION WAS, WHATEVER THAT IS.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD LIKELY IN THAT SAME LETTER, HAVE A FOLLOW UP OF WHAT THE CITY ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO DO BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS GONNA BE X, Y, OR Z.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT RECOMMENDATION IS, THE CITY MANAGER EITHER
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TAKES IT AND, AND WE CHANGE THOSE POLICIES OR WE HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH POLICE LEADERSHIP ABOUT THE BOARD SAYS WE WANT TO GO HERE, HOW DO WE GET THERE OR DON'T WE? AND IF SO, WHY NOT? OR IF NOT, WHY NOT? UM, BUT I, THE ULTIMATE, THE ULTIMATE END IS THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BOARD TO THE CITY MANAGER.WHO THEN DOES WITH THAT, WHATEVER THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL DECIDE TO DO, ARE YOU ASKING HOW THAT WOULD BE COMMUNICATED? YES, I GUESS IT, IT'S, IT STOPS HERE, BUT ONE SIX, WHAT IS IT? NOT SIX, THE LAST STEP, BUT THAT'S THE PART I'M MISSING.
WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT ONCE IT GETS TO THE CITY MANAGER? AND THEN IS IT JUST THE CITY MANAGER THAT MAKES A DETERMINATION OF WHAT THOSE NEXT STEPS WILL BE BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE CITY MANAGER AND THE POLICE LEADERSHIP? YES.
THAT'S HOW, THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD, UH, AND DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE CASE, CITY COUNCIL MAY CERTAINLY WEIGH IN ON, ON THE ISSUE.
UM, BUT AS THE WAY THE, THE POLICY AND THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, THAT RECOMMENDATION GOES TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THAT INDIVIDUAL CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, THEIR AUTHORITY AS THE CITY MANAGER.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THERE'S NO BIAS IN THE PROCESS IN WHICH PART OF THE PROCESS IN, IN THE PROCESS PERIOD,
SO, WELL, THAT'S WHAT A BOARD IS TO DO'S WHAT WE COME IN, WE'RE ONLY INTERESTED IN OUR PROCESS.
WE CAN'T DETERMINE WHAT THE OTHERS ARE DOING.
WE HAVE A SPECIFIC PROCESS AND I THINK WE NEED TO STAY TUNED TO THAT RATHER THAN REACHING OUT, TRYING TO FIX OTHER PEOPLE'S ISSUES.
BUT IF OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO BIAS IN THIS DETERMINATION, IF THERE WAS BIAS AGAINST THE PERSON, RIGHT? AND LET'S SAY WE FIND THAT THERE WAS, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY MANAGER AND WE GO HOME FOR DINNER, WE'RE DONE.
THAT BECOMES THEIR, THEIR PROCESS AND OUR JOB IS STRICTLY TO LOOK AT THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY BIAS, IF THERE WAS ANY, UM, DISCRIMINATION OR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE.
I GUESS I'M JUST TAKING A STEP FURTHER, AND MAYBE THAT'S A STEP BEYOND THE CCRB AND I'M THINKING MORE FROM THE, UM, LENS OF THE COMMIT DIVERSITY COMMISSION.
SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE TAKE UP.
'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ONCE WE MAKE A DETERMINATION HERE IS PUSHED TO THE CITY MANAGER.
THAT ONE, THERE'S, THERE'S TIME, THERE'S A TIMELINESS AROUND HOW IT'S ADDRESSED.
THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG DO THEY HAVE, DOES HE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT? WHAT ARE THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT THE, UM, THAT ARE ALLOWED BEFORE THE PERSON IS NOTIFIED TO ME THAT THAT'S CLOSING THE LOOP ON OUR PROCESS? IN MY MIND THAT YEAH, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TAKEN AS FAR AS WHAT AND WHAT WE THOUGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT COULD GET COMMUNICATED BACK TO US, OKAY, WE GAVE YOU A, WE GAVE YOU WHAT WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT? SO WE KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, DID WE DO, DID WE DO THE JOB YOU EXPECTED OR WAS IT WITH US DOING? MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY TO PUT THAT.
SO IT DOES FEEL LIKE THERE IS A STEP SEVEN MISSING HERE, WHICH IS THE FEEDBACK LOOP FROM ADMINISTRATION BACK TO YOU.
YEAH, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
I GUESS IT'S KIND OF HARD TO REALLY PLAN IT OUT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A CASE AND BECAUSE EVERYTHING COULD BE SO DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO TWO THINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE ALIKE AND NO CLEAR CUT
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OF ANYTHING.SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SET UP A NEW PROCESS FOR SOMETHING WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN.
I WAS JUST THINKING AFTER A CASE GOES THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS, UM, SORT OF LIKE WHAT, WHAT HE'S SAYING.
SOME, UH, SOME TYPE OF FEEDBACK WOULD BE AT YOUR NEXT MEETING HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVE LIKE A DEBRIEF OF THAT CASE AND KIND OF WALK THROUGH IT AS A GROUP, UM, AND YOU KNOW, DISCUSS WHAT, YOU KNOW, IF THINGS WENT AS YOU PLANNED OR YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST OVERALL, UH, HOW IT WENT AND HOW YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT IT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, SOME SORT OF PLAN, A DEBRIEF.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
WHAT CAN WE EXPECT TO SEE IN THE, UM, IN THE COMPLAINT PACKAGE? I, I, I'M CERTAIN POLICE REPORTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO THAT IS AN AREA THAT WE STILL HAVE TO WORK OUT.
UM, BECAUSE, AND, AND OUR LAW DIRECTOR'S GOING THROUGH THIS POLICY AND, AND RECONCILING IT WITH OUR, OUR AGREEMENTS, BECAUSE TO THE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, ANONYMITY ISSUES, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, PERSONNEL ISSUES.
THERE'S PROBABLY A SENSITIVE NATURE OF, OF WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED AND THERE'S VICTIMS AND ALL OF THIS.
SO THAT PART IS STILL, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, KINDA THE NATURE OF WHATEVER THE INCIDENT WAS THAT SPURRED THE, THE INITIAL IA REVIEW AND THEN THE, THE REQUEST TO REVIEW THE IA, UM, CONCLUSIONS.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD SOLID ANSWER FOR YOU OTHER THAN WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE, UM, THESE THINGS JUST BY NATURE TEND TO BE PRETTY SENSITIVE.
AND IS THERE A DEPARTMENT, LIKE A POLICY OR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, UH, HANDBOOK THAT WE CAN HAVE A COPY OF SO THAT AS WE'RE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATIONS, I, I, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF DOING, BUT I ALSO WANT TO KNOW THAT, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT DOING AND THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION AS WELL, MAYBE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF LEVEL OF ENFORCEMENT THERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE REALLY HELPFUL.
I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD REMEMBER.
UM, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, HOW MANY COMPLAINTS HAVE YOU RECEIVED? UH, WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT, UH, BRIEFLY BEFORE THE MEETING.
BEFORE THAT WE WERE GETTING, WE WERE GETTING ABOUT LOW TWENTIES, MID TWENTIES, UM, AMOUNT OF, UH, INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS A YEAR.
MOST OF THOSE AT THAT TIME WERE EXTERNAL COMPLAINTS.
THE TIDE SEEMS TO BE TURNING, BECAUSE LAST YEAR WE ONLY ENDED UP WITH 11 INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS AND ONLY JUST A FEW WERE EXTERNAL.
THE REST WERE INTERNAL COMPLAINTS.
THIS YEAR WE'RE ON NU, WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING NUMBER SIX, AND ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE INTERNAL COMPLAINTS.
SO IT'S, IT'S FOR SOME, I DON'T WANNA JINX ANYTHING
AND, UH, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT REASONING MIGHT BE BEHIND IT, BUT, BUT, UH, IT DEFINITELY CHANGED.
BUT WE'D BE INTERESTED PRIMARILY WITH EXTERNAL COMPLAINTS.
SO THE POLICIES AND OH, GO AHEAD MA'AM.
THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE ARE NEW AND JUST LIKE ANY GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATION, YOU'RE GONNA MODIFY THOSE AS YOU GET CASES.
AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING NOW, I THINK ARE GONNA BE BETTER SUITED WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET A CASE AND GET INVOLVED IN IT AND SEE WHERE THAT FRACTURE MAY BE, AND THEN PLUG THAT HOLE AS BEST OR RECOMMEND WHO SHOULD BE PARTICIPATING IN PLUGGING THAT HOLE, IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN.
YEAH, I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, WE COULD ALSO SEE, AND, AND WHAT COULD ALSO HAPPEN, UM, AND THIS, IT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM.
UM, IT COULD JUST VERY WELL BE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S UNDER-REPORTED NUMBERS FOR WHATEVER REASON.
UM, BUT AS YOU ADVERTISE THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING, PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY TO WANT TO REACH OUT AND TOUCH THAT RESOURCE IF THEY KNOW WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS THE CASE.
I I TOTALLY COULD SEE, COULD, COULD SEE A, A, A PLACE WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE, ARE WHERE THEY'RE AT.
UM, BUT I COULD ALSO SEE A PLACE WHERE DEPENDING
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ON THE NATURE OF AN INCIDENT THAT WE GET, AND DEPENDING ON OUR, OUR PROFILE IN THAT INCIDENT, THE DEMAND COULD INCREASE.UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE TODAY.
UM, AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE COMPOSITION OF THE BOARD.
SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.
UM, I, I KNOW I'VE GOT A TON OF QUESTIONS, BUT I TEND TO THINK A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, BIGGER PICTURE JUST TO MAKE SURE I DON'T OVERCOMPLICATE THINGS WHILE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT NOTHING LIKE THIS EXISTED BEFORE AND NOT EVERYONE FEELS COMFORTABLE MAKING THE COMPLAINTS DIRECTLY TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NOW THAT WE ARE IN PLACE.
I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT THE PREVIOUS NUMBERS INDICATORS WOULD BE A ACCURATE REFLECTION OF WHAT WE MAY GET, BECAUSE NOW THERE'S RECOURSE, RIGHT? WHEN THEY RECEIVE A LETTER, THEY KNOW NOW, OH, I CAN TAKE THIS TO THE CCRB.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER AVENUE FOR THEM.
WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? ME? YEAH, YOU LOOK LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY, SO ARE WE OKAY WITH THIS THE WAY IT IS? OR DO WE WANNA MAKE SOME CHANGES SUCH AS PUT IN THE, UM, THE TABLE HERE THAT MAY BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC FOR YOU? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
THAT WOULD BE I THINK, SUPER HELPFUL.
SO, AND THEN THE, THE, THE FEEDBACK LOOP, THE CLOSE OF THAT.
THAT ABOUT THE FEEDBACK COMING BACK AND MAYBE A LITTLE PROCESS CHART THAT DEPTH COULD DO THAT.
UM, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING FOR NEW BUSINESS? OKAY.
WELL, WITH THAT, UM, WE CAN ADJOURN THE MEETING AND WHEN WE HAVE THE NEW REVISIONS, YOU CAN LET ME KNOW AND LET US KNOW.
UM, I'LL ALSO INCORPORATE THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR LAW DIRECTOR AND THEN WE CAN MEET WHEN, WHEN ALL OF THIS IS, IS COMPLETE.
WELL AT THIS TIME THEN 6 34, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.