[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Governance Center - Council Chambers 6151 Brandt Pike July 14, 2026 6:00 P.M. ]
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I SHOULD CALL THE MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION.
WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. JOHNSON? HERE.
IS ANYONE ELSE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION? UM, I DO HAVE, UH, ONE, EXCUSE ME.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, INTRODUCE, UH, HALEY HAYES.
UH, SHE IS A NEW PLANNER WHO WILL BE STARTING FOR US ON THE, UH, 27TH OF JULY.
I CURRENTLY WORK AS, UH, REGIONAL PLAN ACCOUNTING.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZENS COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
NEXT, I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO, I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
TO THE FOLLOWING OATH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? AYE.
WHEN YOU DO COME UP TO SPEAK AT THE PODIUM, UH, PLEASE SIGN IN ON THE SIGN IN SHEET PROVIDED AND STATE YOUR NAME.
OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, COAST TO COAST HEAVY HALL, INC.
IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR AN 8,800 SQUARE FOOT TRUCK MAINTENANCE BUILDING, A 2000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING, AND A PAR AND PARKING FOR UP TO 43 TRUCKS OR TRAILERS.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 47 42 US 40 EAST, UH, BDP 26 DASH 19.
MR. RELL, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THIS IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW FOR A, UH, NEW TRUCKING FACILITY.
UH, THE, THE APPLICANT WOULD MOVE HIS EXISTING FACILITY TO, UH, THIS LOCATION IF IT IS APPROVED BY, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
SO THE, UH, THE LOCATION IS AT 47 42 WEST NATIONAL ROAD.
UH, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED THERE, IT IS, UM, PLANNED INDUSTRIAL.
THE EXISTING LAND USE NOW IS AGRICULTURE.
UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING AN 8,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, MAINTENANCE BUILDING, A 2000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE, AND THEN THE SITE IS STRIPED OR POTENTIALLY STRIPED FOR 43, UM, PARKING STALLS.
THE NATURE OF THE, THE APPLICANT'S BUSINESS IS THEY HAVE SOME FAIRLY LARGE, UH, TRAILERS.
THEY HAUL LIKE TRANSFORMERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO IT IS UNLIKELY THERE WOULD ACTUALLY BE THIS MANY, UM, TRAILERS ON SITE.
AS FAR AS THE SITE CONTEXT, UH, THE SITE IS OUTLINED THERE.
UH, IT IS, AS I MENTIONED, ZONED PLANNED INDUSTRIAL TO THE NORTH IS, UH, SOME INDUSTRIAL AREA IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP, ALSO, MOSTLY AGRICULTURAL TO THE SOUTH IS, UH, THE CARRIAGE TRAILS, UH, SUBDIVISION ZONED, PLANNED.
MIXED USE TO THE WEST, UH, IS AN INDUS, EXCUSE ME, TO THE WEST IS, UH, A CHURCH, AN INDUS A, UH, INSTITUTIONAL USE.
AND THEN TO THE EAST IS A, UH, PLANNED INDUSTRIAL.
UM, RIGHT NOW IS LARGELY UNDERUTILIZED INDUSTRIAL LAND.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UM, IN THIS CASE, NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT.
UH, I CH I ALTERED IT SO THE, IT FIT BETTER ON THE SCREEN.
UM, THERE'LL BE ONE ENTRANCE OFF OF 40.
THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY IS THE FIRST BUILDING THAT YOU WOULD PULL IN.
UH, THERE WOULD BE TRACTOR TRAILER PARKING ON, UH, BOTH THE EAST AND THE WEST SIDE.
AS YOU HEAD SOUTH ON THE SITE, YOU WOULD HAVE THE OFFICE BUILDING PARKING FOR, UM, OFFICE WORKERS OR MAINTENANCE FOLKS.
UH, THEN TO THE SOUTH IS A PROPOSED RETENTION AREA.
UH, AND THEN THE, UH, THE B THE TREE TREELINE BUFFER.
UM, WE HAVE RECOMMENDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE TREELINE REMAIN INTACT, UH, AND UNDISTURBED TO, TO SERVE AS A, A NATURAL SCREEN, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE SOUTH, OR YEAH, TO THE SOUTH.
AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT RELATE TO THE PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, UH, IT REQUIRES A 25 FOOT SETBACK ON THE SIDE AND REAR, UH, OR 75 FEET WHEN ABUTTING THE PLANNED MIXED USE
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DISTRICT.UH, AND THEN, SO THERE, IT, THE CURRENT SETBACK TO THE REAR IS 75 FEET.
UH, IN ADDITION, THERE'S ROUGHLY GIVE OR TAKE ANOTHER 50 FEET, UM, TO THE, ON TOP OF THAT 75 FOR THE STORMWATER DETENTION POND.
THE PLANNED INDUSTRIAL, UH, DISTRICT HAS A, UH, BUILDING LOT COVERAGE, NOT JUST NOT A, UH, LOT COVERAGE RATIO.
UH, SO THE BUILDING LOT COVERAGE IS ABOUT 10,800 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS 4% OF THE 6.25 ACRES, WHICH IS WELL UNDER 75% OF THE MAXIMUM.
UM, THE ONE AREA OF NON-CONFORMANCE IS THE NORTHERNMOST STALL PARKING STALL THAT IS ILLUSTRATED IN THE SITE PLAN IS TECHNICALLY IN THE FRONT YARD, UH, AND FRONT YARD PARKING IS PROHIBITED BY THE CODE.
SO, UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS BE THAT, THAT THAT PARKING STALL BASICALLY IS REMOVED AND THE FRONT YARD IS, UM, EXTENDED.
SO THERE TECHNICALLY ISN'T ANY PARKING BE, BE, UH, IN FRONT OF THE, THE HORIZONTAL BUILDING LINE.
UH, LANDSCAPING BUILDING MATERIALS AND SIGNAGE WOULD ALL BE AS WELL AS LIGHTING WOULD ALL BE REVIEWED IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS.
UH, IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE GENERAL STANDARDS OF APPROVAL, UH, STAFF VIEWS THAT THIS SITE, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH A THOROUGHFARE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, UH, THERE IS NO ZONING THAT IS OR NO REZONING THAT'S REQUIRED.
UH, US 40 HAS THE ADEQUATE CAPACITY TO SERVE THIS, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
WE WOULD ANTICIPATE NO UNDUE BURDEN ON, UH, EXISTING UTILITIES.
THERE IS WATER, UM, A LOT 40, UH, SO NO BURDEN ANTICIPATED ON, UM, UTILITIES, FIRE, POLICE OR SCHOOLS.
UH, AS A CONDITION, THE REAR TREE LINE WOULD BE PRESERVED AS THE, A NATURAL BUFFER TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENCES.
UM, AND THEN THE SITE IS JUST RELATIVELY FLAT.
IT ACTUALLY DRAINS NORTH TO, TO SOUTH.
UM, WHICH THE FLOODING THAT, UH, THAT WAS INDICATED IN THE, UH, CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE NEIGHBOR, THAT WOULD LARGELY BE MITIGATED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, THE STORMWATER DETENTION BASIN.
SO RIGHT NOW, THAT FIELD BASICALLY FLOWS FREE FREELY FROM NORTH TO SOUTH.
IT WOULD BE ALL THAT STORM WATER WOULD BE CONTAINED AND THEN METERED OUT ACCORDING TO OUR CURRENT STORMWATER UH, REGULATIONS.
AS FAR AS OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENT CON COMMENTS, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD NO COMMENTS RELATED TO RELATED USE.
THEY WOULD, UM, ADDRESS THE FUTURE CONSTRUCTION, UH, AS FAR AS SPRINKLERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS REVIEW, AND THE CITY ENGINEER HAD NO COMMENTS.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTED ON JUNE 29TH, 2026, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT WE WOULD PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE REAR TREE LINE, REPLACE ANY DEBTOR DYING TREES WITH DENSE EVERGREENS, AT LEAST SIX FOOT TALL AT PLANTING.
UH, THE PARKING SETBACK WOULD BE, UH, A MINIMUM 25 FEET FROM THE PLANNED RIGHT OF WAY LINE ON US, UH, 40 OR 75 FEET FROM THE CURRENT CENTER LINE.
UH, AND THEN WE WOULD PROHIBIT OUTDOOR STORAGE OF INTEROPERABLE VEHICLES, JUNK OR MATERIALS ONLY THE TEMPORARY STAGING OF TRANSPORT ITEMS WOULD BE, UM, ALLOWED.
SO AGAIN, UH, THIS IS THE, THE, THE SITE PLAN.
WHAT WE ARE SAYING AS FAR AS THE SETBACK WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE MEASURED EITHER 75 FEET, SORRY, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK PARKING SETBACK WOULD BE MEASURED, UH, 75 FEET FROM THE CENTER LINE, UH, 40 OR THIS, UH, PLANNED RIGHT OF AWAY LINE, WHICH KIND OF BISECTS THE, THE FRONT, FRONT YARD AREA.
IT BASICALLY ELIMINATES THAT FIRST PARKING STALL, WHICH, UH, IS TECHNICALLY IN THE FRONT YARD OF THE BUILDING.
BUT OTHERWISE, THE SITE IS, UM, CONFORMS TO THE, UH, PLAN INDUSTRIAL REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AS FAR AS PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH OR WITHOUT CONDITIONS.
RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR TABLE THE APPLICATION TO GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. VARGO? I, I THINK I NEED TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS THE BASIC PLAN, CORRECT? AND SO THIS CASE WILL COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT.
FOR INSTANCE, I NOTICED THAT, UH, THERE'S NO COMMENT FROM THE CITY ENGINEER.
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AND IN TERMS OF THE LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED REGARDING THIS, UH, CASE, I THINK THE CITY ENGINEER PROBABLY DOES NEED TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS FOR US SO THAT WE'RE MORE AWARE OF THE SITUATION.SO AT, AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE, THE ISSUES WHERE THE, THE CITY ENGINEER WOULD WEIGH IN PARTICULARLY STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE HANDLED THERE.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, AND THIS THIS LIKELY IS GOING TO BE FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION IS WHERE ARE THEY OPERATING NOW? THEIR UM, THEIR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS IS IN WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP.
UM, AND I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'VE GOT JUST RANDOM PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE, THEY OPERATE THEIR, THEIR TRAILERS FROM, UH, AND HE'S LOOKING TO CONSOLIDATE, UH, TO ONE FACILITY.
AND, AND THEY DO PLAN TO MOVE EVERYTHING TO THIS FACILITY.
AND NOW THEY'RE ON THE ROAD MOST OF THE TIME.
'CAUSE YOU ONLY MAKE MONEY WHILE YOU'RE HAULING, UH, HAULING FREIGHT.
SO THIS WOULD, WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF STORAGE ACTIVITY HERE.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS THIS FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING? UH, I KNOW THAT THERE IS A GREAT NEED FOR OVER THE ROAD DRIVERS TO HAVE A PLACE TO PARK THEIR RIGS, AND I DON'T, I DIDN'T KNOW IF, I DIDN'T GET A FEELING FOR IF THAT'S WHAT THIS FACILITY IS, OR IS IT ONLY FOR THE TRUCKS THAT GO THERE FOR MAINTENANCE OR WHATEVER THEY NEED? SO, MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, IT IS PRIMARILY FOR THEIR BUSINESS, BUT THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO LEASING FOR OTHER OWNER, OCCU OWNER OPERATOR DRIVERS WHO NEED A PLACE TO, TO STORE THEIR RIG OR TRAILER OVERNIGHT.
MEANING THAT THEY COULD, THEY COULD RENT OR HOWEVER THEY DO IT, A SPACE GO TO THEIR HOME AND THEN COME BACK AND GET THEIR TRUCK CORRECT.
BUT PRIMARILY IT'S THIS INDIVIDUAL'S BUSINESS.
SECONDARILY, IT WOULD BE, IF THERE WAS SPACE AVAILABLE, THEY WOULD RENT IT.
UNLIKE THE ORIGINAL TRUCKING, IF YOU REMEMBER THE CASE THAT CAME TO US, UM, OFF A CENTER POINT OR NEAR CENTER POINT 70, WHICH WAS LARGELY A DROP LOT, UH, AS, AS THE PRIMARY USE, THIS IS REVERSED, BUT THAT HE IS, UM, WHEN I TALKED TO HIM, UH, OPEN TO RENTING, UM, AVAILABLE SPACES IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE.
SO WHERE YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE PARKING FOR UP TO 43 TRUCKS OR TRAILERS, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THOSE THAT ARE THERE FOR MAINTENANCE AND ALSO THOSE THAT ARE THERE FOR THAT MAY HAVE RENTED A SPACE FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING.
DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR HOW THOSE NUMBERS ARE DIVIDED UP? HOW, HOW, HOW, HOW MUCH, UM, MAINTENANCE DO THEY DO? WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.
UM, BUT THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE, THE APPLICANT THEN ON THAT ONE.
LET ME SEE IF I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, I'M, I'M STILL NOT CLEAR ABOUT THE ZONING.
I PLANNED INDUSTRIAL PLAN, PLANNED INDUSTRIAL.
NOW I'M LOOKING AT, UM, 11 71 0 5.
NUMBER L IT SAYS REZONING OF THE LAND TO PUD DISTRICT AND APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHALL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PUBLIC PEACE HEALTH OR BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
ARE WE REZONING THE LAND TO PUD? NO, IT'S ALREADY, IT WAS ALREADY ZONED THAT WAY.
UH, WE ARE JUST A WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
HOW COULD IT ALREADY BE THAT WAY? IF IT'S, IF IT'S, IF IT'S THE, I, SO IT'S, IT'S ALREADY, IT'S A PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
SO IT'S A INDUSTRIAL PUD UH, PLANNED INDUSTRIAL IS THE SAME AS A PUD DISTRICT? YES.
A LOT OF WHAT I HAVE MARKED, I THINK WILL GO, WILL BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR WHEN WE GET THE DETAIL.
UH, BUT LET ME GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.
STORAGE WILL BE LIMITED TO THE TEMPORARY STAGING OF MATERIALS BEING TRANSPORTED OR DELIVERED OR DELIVERED.
DO WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR TEMPORARY IN THE CODE? NO.
UH, IT'S KIND OF, WE KNOW IT WHEN WE SEE IT.
UM, SO WE COULD PUT A TIME LIMIT AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE CONDITIONS.
WHAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT WHEN WRITING THAT, UH, THAT CONDITION WAS SINCE THERE WAS A MAINTENANCE FACILITY, UH, ON SITE, WHAT I DIDN'T WANT TO SEE WAS, UH, ON THAT BACK, UM, BACK CORNER OF
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THE LOT, THAT THERE'D JUST BE A BUNCH OF SPARE OR EXTRA MOTORS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST PARTS THAT GET STREWN AROUND BECAUSE THAT WAS THE EASY PLACE TO PUT THEM.I, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WITH OUR WORDING AND KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE DEFINITION OF TEMPORARY AND ALSO UNDER, UH, CONFORMANCE WITH THE GENERAL STANDARDS OF APPROVAL.
UM, THERE IS SOMETHING HERE THAT SAYS, UM, SOMETHING ABOUT THE CODE REQUIRES ALL USES TO BE WITHIN A FULLY ENCLOSED BUILDING.
SO THERE SHOULD BE LITTLE OR NO OUTDOOR STORAGE.
WHAT'S LITTLE? SO, UM, I MEAN, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THESE, THESE ARE, IT SEEM TO BE, UM, IMP UNIMPORTANT THINGS, AND YET IF WE COME INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU SAY IT'S A LITTLE AND WE SAY IT'S A LOT, THEN HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROVE OUR SIDE? RIGHT? AND, AND WE DEAL WITH THAT EVERY DAY IN CODE ENFORCEMENT.
UM, SO WHAT, WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES IN THE, IN THE INDUSTRIAL, THE PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, AS FAR AS THE USES BEING FULLY ENCLOSED, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS THAT THEY CAN'T BE REPAIRING THE TRUCKS OUT IN THE LOT.
IT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED, UH, WITHIN THE, THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING ITSELF.
I, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE WORD LITTLE
YEAH, NO, I DON'T THINK IT WILL.
I MEAN, IF WE TOOK A HARD LINE ON THE ENFORCEMENT, THERE WOULD BE NOTHING, UM, OUTDOOR EXCEPT FOR IF THEY WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD TRAILERS THAT WERE LOADED FOR MOVEMENT, COULD WE JUST SAY, WILL THERE BE NO STORAGE OF PARTS WE CAN AND TAKE THE WORD LITTLE OUT AND THAT WAY IT, IT TAKES CARE OF, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, STORING PARTS OUTDOORS IS A GOOD IDEA ANYWAY.
SO THE, UM, THE CONDITION THAT WE HAVE, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, DOES NOT INCLUDE THE WORD LITTLE.
IT IS PROHIBIT OUTDOOR STORAGE OF INOPERABLE VEHICLES, JUNK OR MATERIALS.
THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE FOR NOW.
AARON, JUST A REAL QUICK GO BACK.
WHAT MECHANISMS DO WE HAVE IN PLACE THAT'S GONNA POLICE THE INOPERABLE VEHICLES AND JUNK? DOES THAT FALL IN THE CLIENT OR DOES THAT FALL IN THE CITY? IT, IT T TYPICALLY FALLS ON, I WOULD SAY, A, UM, A JOINT, UM, A JOINT VENTURE.
IT IS USUALLY THE NEIGHBOR THAT IS TIRED OF LOOKING AT IT.
UM, SO EITHER WE SEE IT, UM, AS OUR, THROUGH OUR DAILY JUST WANDERING AROUND AND, AND LOOKING AT SITES.
UM, IT'S VERY EASY TO TELL WHAT PIECES ARE HAVE BEEN SITTING OUT THERE.
WHETHER IT'S CARS OR VEHICLES OR, YOU KNOW, HALF A TRUCK ENGINE.
UM, BUT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, WHEN IT COMES TO INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL, WE OFTEN GET COMPLAINTS THAT THIS VEHICLE HAS BEEN SITTING HERE FOR THE LAST FOUR DAYS OR THIS, THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS HASN'T MOVED THIS RUSTY HALF ENGINE FOR THREE MONTHS.
SO IT, I WOULD SAY HALF OF IT IS PROBABLY HALF OF THE COMPLAINTS ARE SELF, UM, SELF-IDENTIFIED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE OTHERS COME IN AS, UH, COMPLAINTS FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
MS. THOMAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING BOARD.
I'M RYAN LATHAL WITH CHOICE ONE ENGINEERING 26 33 CAMPBELL ROAD, SYDNEY, OHIO.
UH, WE ARE THE CIVIL ENGINEERING CONSULTANT FOR, UH, COAST TO COAST ON THIS, UH, PLAN SUBMISSION AND HELP THEM KIND OF DEVELOP TO WHAT THIS SITE PLAN LOOKS LIKE.
UH, YEAH, A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT YOU GUYS WERE TALKING THIS EVENING ARE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED.
UM, PART OF WHY HE'S LOOKING AT THIS OPERATION IS, UH, AS AARON ALLUDED TO, HE HAS KIND OF STUFF PARCELED OUT ALL OVER DIFFERENT PARTS OF, UH, THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND JUST NAMELY WHERE HE CAN PARK EVEN HIS OWN EQUIPMENT THAT HE'S USING DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
UH, SO HE IS AT THE POINT NOW WHERE HE'S AT, YEAH, I NEED A HOME.
I NEED A PLACE TO PUT MY STUFF THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE.
THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, OUT IN THE PUBLIC EYES ALL THE TIME OR MAYBE IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE OR SHORT DURATIONS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO THIS IS KIND OF THAT POINT WHERE HE'S TRYING TO BRANCH OUT AND, UH, I'LL SAY DO A BETTERMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY IN THE SENSE OF GETTING HIS STUFF INTO AN APPROPRIATE PLACE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A SCREEN LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, ET CETERA.
SO A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT HE TALKS ABOUT, UH,
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STORING ON SITE, A LOT OF IT'S HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATION TRANSFORMERS, LIKE AARON ALLUDED TO.THE LONGER IT SITS ON HIS SITE AS HE'S EXPRESSED TO ME, THE LONGER HE LOSES MONEY.
IT'S MAYBE A COUPLE DAY DURATION, LIKE HE'S TALKED ABOUT THAT THINGS SIT ON SITE BEFORE HE GETS THINGS UP AND OPERATIONAL.
IT WILL NOT PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THERE, LIKE AARON'S ALLUDED TO, BASED OFF THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE ON THE ROAD, THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE MAKING MONEY.
SO THEY'RE NOT MAKING MONEY WHEN IT'S SITTING THERE.
MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS ARE REALLY JUST NORMAL EVERYDAY STUFF THAT YOU GUYS DO WITH YOUR OWN VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, OIL CHANGES, MAINTENANCE, ET CETERA, THAT YOU, A LOT OF THESE TRUCKS HAVE AS THE AMOUNT OF MILES THAT THEY PUT ON IT.
SO A LOT OF THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WOULD SEE EVEN WITH OUR OWN VEHICLES.
UM, UH, WE DID SEE SOME OF THE CONCERNS IN REGARDS TO STORM WATER, UH, STUFF THAT WE, WE WILL BE, WE'VE KIND OF LOOKED INTO A LITTLE BIT ALREADY WHAT'S GOING ON, HOW THIS FUNCTIONS.
THE SITE KIND OF SPLITS A LITTLE BIT ON HOW THAT WATER FLOWS.
UM, KIND OF HALF OF THE SITE FLOWS TO THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER WHERE THEY ARE SEEING SOME WATER.
YOU GUYS HAVE STANDARDS IN PLACE THAT ARE EFFECTIVE FOR THAT REASON.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE TYPICALLY WORK WITH YOUR CITY ENGINEER ON, ON HOW WE MANAGE THAT WATER RUNOFF.
DO WE KIND OF THROTTLE THAT WATER BACK EVEN MORE THAN YOUR REGULATIONS BASED OFF EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS.
SO THOSE ARE ALL THINGS WE KIND OF TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ON HOW WE PLAY SOME OF THAT STUFF OUT.
SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS AND I'LL TRY TO ANSWER 'EM THE BEST I CAN.
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MS. VARGO? UH, YES.
UH, AS FAR AS YOUR OPERATION GOES, HOW MUCH OF IT WOULD BE OVERNIGHT PARKING AND VERSUS THE ONES, THE TRUCKS THAT ARE THERE FOR MAINTENANCE, WOULD IT BE LIKE 50 50 OR, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER PER SE.
THE, UH, BECAUSE I'M NOT THE OWNER OF THE FACILITY, WE'RE JUST A DESIGN CONSULTANT.
UM, HE'S, HE'S ALLUDED TO MOST OF IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE HIS OWN USE, SO, UH, BUT I THINK HE'S UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY HAS A NEED FOR PARKING OUTSIDE OF, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO HIM AT THIS TIME.
SO I THINK HE UNDERSTANDS THERE'S A NEED AND HE WILL PROVIDE THAT AS HE HAS SPACES AVAILABLE.
UM, HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBORS AT ALL? I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HE HAS AS THE COMPANY.
YOU DON'T KNOW? OH, YOU DON'T THINK THEY HAVE? I I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT.
OH, YOU MAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT.
UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT IF YOU SPOKE TO THEM TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
FOR INSTANCE, DO YOU KNOW IF THE STANDING WATER IS STILL THERE? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THERE TODAY OR NOT.
I KNOW WE HAD A, YOU KNOW, BIG, BIG, BIG, BIG RAIN AND EVERYONE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF STANDING WATER, BUT HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO DRAIN OFF? IS IT STILL THERE OR IS IT GONE? AND IF IT'S NOT, WHO'S GONNA FIX IT? WILL THAT BE THE DEVELOPER OR UP TO THE CITY?
YEAH, THAT'S, I GUESS, WELL, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED, YES.
SOME OF IT MAY BE FROM THE SITE, SOME OF IT MAY BE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'RE JUST NOT AWARE OF YET.
UH, LIKE KAREN ALLUDED TO SPECIFICALLY IN THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE DEFINITELY DIVIDE A LOT, DIVE MORE INTO THOSE WEEDS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, AND EVEN AT THAT STAGE, WE GIVE YOU A FULL COMPREHENSIVE REPORT OF THE STORMWATER STUDY, BUT AS FAR AS YOU'RE CONCERNED, THE WATER IS STILL AN ISSUE THAT IS TO BE FIXED.
IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THERE'S PONDING THERE.
IF IT'S ON THE SITE, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ACCOMMODATE.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE SITE THOUGH, UH, IT, IT'S NOT, IT'D BE OUTSIDE OF THE OWNER'S PURVIEW THEN AT THAT POINT.
AND I, I DO HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION IS, DO YOU PLAN TO CLOSE YOUR CURRENT SITE? I'M NOT SURE WHAT HE'S PLANNING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT SITE.
I KNOW SOME OF THE SITES HE'S ACTUALLY LEASING WHERE HE PARKS, TRUCKS, TRUCKS NOW.
UH, SO SOME OF THOSE MIGHT BE LEASES THAT HE'LL BE TERMINATING THAT HE'S MOVING EVERYTHING HERE.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER GROUND THAT HE, HE OWNS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HE PLANS TO DEAL WITH YET.
UH, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
UM, IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION IT SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL, SOME INDUSTRIAL, THE HOURS OF OPERATION WHERE TRUCKS, WHAT'S THE EARLIEST THEY START TO LEAVE? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE LATEST THEY COME IN, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, FOR NOISE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS A LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON THE RECORD THAT, UH, STATED SEVEN TO SEVEN.
SEVEN TO SEVEN IS KIND OF SEVEN IS KIND OF THE WORKING HOUR DAYS.
HE, HE'S MORE THAN HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME OTHER DAYS LIKE SUNDAY AND, UH, I THINK TUESDAY MAYBE WITH THE CHURCH AS SOMETHING ON TUESDAY, IF I RECALL.
I, I DON'T THINK HE'S OPPOSED TO ACCOMMODATING SOME OF THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION FROM WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
THAT'S ALL I, MR. JOHNSON? NO, SIR.
CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IF YOU'RE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE SEVEN TO SEVEN AND WE HAD A TRUCKER THAT CAME IN OFF THE ROAD AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AND WOULD LIKE TO PARK AT YOUR FACILITY, THAT YOU COULD LOCK THAT AND SAY, IF YOU'RE NOT HERE BY SEVEN O'CLOCK, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FI GO SOMEWHERE ELSE? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I, I GUESS WHERE DO YOU WANT 'EM TO PARK IS PROBABLY THE QUESTION.
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I I THINK MAYBE, UH, A CLEAR DEFINITION OF YOUR INTENTIONS OF WHAT YOU WANT DONE.
IF THEY'RE JUST PARKING, IT WOULDN'T BE A TRUCK NECESSARILY ISLANDING FOR A COUPLE HOURS AT A TIME OR GETTING LOADED AT LATE HOURS OF THE NIGHT.
SO IT MAY NOT BE AS, AS DISRUPTIVE MAYBE.
UH, SO I GUESS, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND TRUCKS COMING IN AT ONE IN THE MORNING IS, WOULD BE DISTURBING BECAUSE TRUCKS MAKE NOISE THAT TRAVELS.
I I GUESS THAT'S WHERE, I MEAN, LIKE, IF IT'S OKAY, EIGHT O'CLOCK VERSUS ONE O'CLOCK.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? HELLO, HOW YOU GUYS DOING? UH, MY NAME IS IAN MANGER.
I'M HERE WITH MY WIFE, BECCA MANGER.
UH, WE OWN THE PROPERTY AT 2 5 9 1 BLUE FLAG STREET, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.
UM, TONIGHT WE ARE HERE 'CAUSE WE ARE OPPOSING THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, GIVEN ITS PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
UM, IF THE COMMISSION DETERMINES THAT IT MUST MOVE FORWARD THOUGH, UH, I'M ASKING THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ATTACHED TO PROTECT, PROTECT THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES RESIDE.
UM, SO THIS LAND, AS MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION WAS FARMLAND, UM, UNTIL RECENTLY ITS QUIET LOW IMPACT CHARACTER WAS PART OF SEVERAL OF THE REASONS WHY A LOT OF US BOUGHT HOMES BACKING UP TO IT.
UM, A COMMERCIAL TRUCK YARD CHANGES THAT SIGNIFICANTLY.
UH, MY NEIGHBORS MICHAEL AND CYNTHIA SEABERT ARE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, THEY ARE ALSO IN AGREEANCE, UH, TO THESE OPINIONS AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN I ALSO SPOKE WITH A MEMBER OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES THAT IS TO THE WEST OF THE PROPOSED, UH, SITE.
UM, AND THE MEMBER THAT I SPOKE TO WAS ALSO, UM, AGREED THAT THEY ARE OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND SHARE THESE CONCERNS TONIGHT.
UM, SO IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS, UH, THE BUFFERING IS ONE OF 'EM.
THE PLAN SHOWS A 75 FOOT SETBACK AND EXISTING TREE LINE MARKED NOT TO BE DISTURBED, UM, UNDER SECTION 1 1 8, 1 0.18.
DECIDUOUS TREES CANNOT BE LEGAL LEGALLY SATISFY SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR SERVICE STRUCTURES.
UM, SO WE ASK THAT THIS SETBACK AND SCREENING BE MADE BINDING CONDITIONS AS WELL AS SUPPLEMENT SUPPLEMENTED WITH EVERGREEN LANDSCAPING OR FENCING.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE DRAINAGE, UM, AS SOME HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED, UH, MY PROPERTY FLOODS IN THAT BACK CORNER BORDERING THIS SITE.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED WITH PHOTOGRAPHS THAT I TOOK ON JULY 11TH, UM, ATTACHED IN EXHIBIT A.
I'VE ALSO DOCUMENTED AN EXISTING DRAINAGE SYSTEM ALONG MY PROPERTY LINE, UM, THAT INCLUDES A CONCRETE ACCESS STRUCTURE OR CULVERT ATTACHED IN EXHIBIT B.
UM, FROM WHAT I'VE RESEARCHED, I'VE FOUND THAT THE CITY MAY BE INSTALLED THIS BACK IN AROUND 2015 OR 2016, UM, TO HELP WITH SOME OF THAT DRAINAGE.
UM, SO THE CONCERN IS, UH, THAT THIS DRAINAGE DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR ADDITIONAL RUNOFF FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT IF IT'S ALREADY STRUGGLING, UH, WITH THE FLOODING IN THAT AREA DURING HEAVY RAINFALL.
SO I'M ASKING THAT THE COMMISSION OBTAINED CITY ENGINEERING RECORDS FOR THIS SYSTEM AND CONFIRMED THE APPLICANT'S STORMWATER PLAN ACCOUNTS FOR IT IN REGARDS TO LIGHTING OF THE SITE.
UM, SECTION 1 1 8 1 0.21 SETS A SPECIFIC LIMIT NO MORE THAN ONE HALF FOOT CANDLE OF ILLUMINATION AT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE.
I'M ASKING THAT THE COMMISSION REQUIRE A LIGHTING PLAN THAT DEMONSTRATES COMPLIANCE WITH THIS STANDARD BEFORE APPROVAL.
IN REGARDS TO NOISE AND HOURS OF OPERATION, WE'RE ASKING FOR NO TRUCK MOVEMENT OR SERVICE ACTIVITY BEFORE 7:00 AM OR AFTER 7:00 PM ON WEEKDAYS ENDING BY 6:00 PM ON TUESDAYS, NO ACTIVITY BEFORE 9:00 AM AND AFTER 7:00 PM ON SATURDAYS
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AND NONE ON SUNDAYS.SECTION 5 0 9 0.08 OF THE CITY'S OWN CODE ALREADY PROHIBITS LOUD LOADING AND UNLOADING NOISE CITYWIDE REGARDLESS OF ZONING.
THIS OPERATION WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT EITHER WAY.
SO WE'RE ASKING THAT THE COMMISSION BUILD IT INTO THE APPROVAL NOW RATHER THAN LEAVE IT AS A FUTURE ENFORCEMENT PROBLEM.
THE TUESDAY AND SUNDAY CARVE OUTS, UM, REFLECT THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES CONGREGATION NEXT DOOR.
UM, THIS CONGREGATION HAS BEEN MEETING THERE FOR 30 YEARS AT THIS LOCATION WITH UP TO 140 PEOPLE ATTENDING THEIR TUESDAY SERVICES AT 7:00 PM AND SUNDAY 10:00 AM MEETINGS.
SO IN CLOSING, UM, SECTION 1170 1.06 REQUIRES THAT THE COMMISSION FIND BY A PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO ADJOINING PERSONS OR PROPERTY BY REASON OF EXCESSIVE NOISE, TRAFFIC, OR GLARE.
WE SUBMITTED WRITTEN COMMENTS WITH FULL DETAIL AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSION TO ATTACH THESE CONDITIONS TO ANY APPROVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS? ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR THE JEHOVAH WITNESS GROUP? UH, I'M NOT HERE REPRESENTING THEM, NO.
I JUST SPOKE WITH THEM AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN AGREEANCE WITH OKAY.
AND MR. RELL, HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN ZONED PLAIN INDUSTRIAL? I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, BUT IT'S BEEN, UM, AT LEAST 10 YEARS.
BUT I CAN RESEARCH THAT FOR YOU.
UM, FOR HIS CONCERNS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN WORK ON TOGETHER WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT AND SEE IF WE CAN SOLVE SOME OF THESE ITEMS? YEAH.
AS FAR AS THE SCREENING, LIGHTING, UM, DRAINAGE, THOSE WILL ALL BE ADDRESSED DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, THE HALF FOOT CANDLE, UH, LIMIT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR ALL COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, THE EVERGREEN, UM, SCREENINGS, I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA AS FAR AS AN ENHANCED, UH, SCREENING ON THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER.
UM, AND THEN ALONG THE REAR, UM, KIND OF THAT WHERE IT BREAKS UP ALONG THE REAR OF THE, UH, MATERIAL STORAGE AREA SO THAT, THAT WOULD ALSO BE SCREENED.
UM, IN, IN TALKING WITH, UM, THE APPLICANT RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, EXCUSE ME, UH, HE FELT THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE AMENABLE TO, UM, SOME OF THESE RESTRICTIONS.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
THE PROPOSED PLAN HERE, IT IS KIND OF ZOOMED IN, BUT THAT TREE LINE IS NOT AS DENSE.
UH, I THINK YOU KIND OF MENTIONED THAT A LITTLE BIT BACK IN THAT CORNER, AND I NOTICED THAT THAT AERIAL IMAGE IS OUTDATED.
UM, MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE ISN'T EVEN BUILT YET, WHICH WAS BUILT IN 2014.
THIS IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, THE SOUTH, UH, EAST CORNER, SOUTHEAST CORNER? YES.
THERE IS, LIKE I SAID, SOME TREE LINE THERE, BUT FROM MY WINDOW I CAN SEE THROUGH TO THAT FARMLAND PRETTY EASILY.
YEAH, THE, UH, THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER, THAT EAST SIDE WOULD NEED TO BE AUGMENTED, UM, WITH ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF, BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE, UM, THE STORMWATER DETENTION AREA.
IN YOUR THOUGHT, THE STORMWATER DETENTION AREA WOULD TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF THE, THE HUDDLING OF WATER FLOODING ISSUES? YEAH.
YEAH, IT'LL DEFINITELY IMPROVE.
I THINK THE, UH, THE STORM OUTLET WOULD PROBABLY TIE INTO THE OUTLET THAT THE CITY, UH, PUT IN IN 2015.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENTS, IT, IT WOULD BE A METERED OUTFLOW, SO IT WOULD NOT OVERWHELM THE SYSTEM.
SO IT WOULD BE STORED AND THEN RELEASED OVER TIME, WHICH THAT'S NOT OCCURRING.
ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
COULD I ASK HIM A QUESTION? SURE.
DID YOU SIGN THAT, SIGN IN PLEASE? UM, YES, I DID.
ACTUALLY ON, UM, THE, WHAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN NOW? MM-HMM
TO THE NORTH, IS THAT ROUTE 40? IT IS.
SO THE INGRESS EGRESS GOES ON TO ROUTE 40? CORRECT.
BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED IN YOUR LETTER THAT WAS CONFUSING TO ME.
I DIDN'T BRING UP EVERYTHING I MENTIONED IN THERE, JUST I DIDN'T WANT TO BE UP HERE ALL NIGHT.
BUT, UH, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS JUST HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT TRAFFIC FLOW.
I, UH, IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS TRUCKS ARE ALLOWED TO USE ROUTE 40.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT WE
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HAVE THE DETAIL PLAN COMING UP LATER AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO WORK ON THIS AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL WORK WITH, WITH THE CITY AND WITH THE DEVELOPER.MS. THOMAS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. I DO.
UM, MORE OF A, YOU, YOU KIND OF BROUGHT UP OUR PRIOR, UM, APPLICANT TRYING TO PUT IN A TRUCK STOP, YOU KNOW, RENTING AND HAVING OVERNIGHT STAY.
I GUESS I WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS.
OBVIOUSLY, HE, YOU KNOW, IF HE WANTS TO RENT OUT SPACES, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM AN OVERNIGHT STAY? IS IT A PARK AND LEAVE? NOBODY'S GONNA BE SLEEPING, SLEEPING IN THEIR VEHICLES? I, I, I DON'T, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO BE ON THAT PROPERTY THAT WOULD ENTAIL ANYBODY STAYING OVERNIGHT AS IN THEIR VEHICLE OFF THE ROAD.
'CAUSE THEY'RE OVER HOURS OR AT HOURS, UM, DUE TO THE OBVIOUS, YOU KNOW, TRASH BUILDUP, UM, NO PLACE TO SHOWER, USE RESTROOM, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PUT IN THIS AS A CONCERN IF HE IS PLANNING TO RENT SPACE OUT THAT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE ON PROPERTY AT ALL AS A RENTAL? YEAH, I THINK IN THE CONDITIONS THAT WE PROPOSED FOR THAT PREVIOUS CASE, IT WAS, UH, NO OVERNIGHT SLEEPING, UH, OR STAYING, UH, OF THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT CONCERN.
WHAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT HERE AS WELL IS WITH A PREVIOUS APPLICANT, UM, THEY, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THEIR OWN TRUCKING COMPANY THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE OPERATING OUT OF.
THIS WAS REALLY MOSTLY A PAY LOT THAT HAD A SMALL MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
UM, AND SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS I BELIEVE THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UH, DISCUSSED WAS, YOU KNOW, ON SITE SECURITY OR SOME, YOU HAD TO MAKE A RESERVATION AND IT WAS GONNA BE SECURED LOCKS AND ALL THAT.
THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THAT IT'S AN OWNER OPERATOR WHO THIS IS THEIR BUSINESS AND THEY WOULD JUST BE RENTING OUT SOME EXTRA SPACE.
THE RENTING OF THE SPACE IS NOT THE PRIMARY BUSINESS, BUT I DO AGREE THAT, UM, HAVING THOSE KIND OF CONDITIONS SO THAT IT, THIS ISN'T AN OVERNIGHT TRUCK STOP, UM, WOULD BE, UH, GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND BECAUSE IT DOES BUTT UP TO RESIDENTIAL AND BUSINESSES AS RES, YOU KNOW, FOR RESPECT FOR THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOBODY IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, ONE, TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TRYING TO WALK TO WHEREVER.
WOULD WE WANT THESE, UH, CONDITIONS ON THE DECISION RECORD NOW OR BACK, UH, WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT? SO, UM, I WOULD PUT THEM IN THE DECISION RECORD NOW.
UM, AND THEN WHEN WE, LET'S PUT THE SPIRIT OF THEM IN THE DECISION, UH, RECORD, AND THEN WHEN WE CRAFT THE ORDINANCE, THAT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL BECAUSE THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION.
SO WHEN WE CA CRAFT THE RE UH, THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION, I'LL FURTHER WORDSMITH IT A LITTLE BIT IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR, UM, LEGAL COUNSEL.
SO I, WHAT I HEAR, UH, AS FAR AS THE MAIN ADDITIONAL, UM, CONDITIONS WOULD BE, UH, NO OVERNIGHT SLEEPING OR NO OVERNIGHT STAY DAY, UH, AND THEN LIMITING THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
THOSE ARE THE TWO CRITICAL ONES THAT I'VE HEARD.
THOSE WOULD NOT BE TYPICALLY ADDRESSED IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP WOULD, WOULD BE ADDRESSED DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW DETAILED WE'D NEED TO BE AS FAR AS THE NO OVERNIGHT STAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FIND A LOOPHOLE.
I'LL, I'LL DIG UP WHAT WE WROTE FOR THE LAST ONE.
BECAUSE THAT WAS A BIG TOPIC OF CONVERSATION BECAUSE HE IS, YEAH, HE'S AN, HE'S AN INDEPENDENT, IT'S HIS BUSINESS, BUT AFTER HE'S GONE, WHAT DOES THAT FACILITY AND THAT LOT LOOK LIKE FOR ENTRANCE AND EXIT? YOU KNOW, AT THOSE TIMES WITHOUT SOMEBODY BEING ON SITE, HOW DO THEY GET IN? HOW DO THEY GET OUT, THAT TYPE OF THING.
WELL, IN THE LAST ONE THEY WERE GONNA MAKE RESERVATIONS.
I MEAN, IT REALLY WAS A SMALL TRUCK STOP.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZILLION CASE? I'M HEARING NONE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
IS THERE A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT COAST TO COAST HEAVY HALL, INC.
FOR APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN? APPLICATION PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 47 42 WEST NATIONAL ROAD, TIP CITY, OHIO CASE BDP 26 19.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM
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DATED JULY 7TH, 2026, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AS AMENDED.I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, MOVED BY MS. UH, THOMAS.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. VARGO PASS? IS I ALLOWED? ARE, ARE YOU ABSTAINING? ABSTAINING? OKAY.
I RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS LONG AS THE CONDITIONS ARE IDENTIFIED AS WELL AS THE RESIDENT'S CONCERNS.
IS YOUR VOTE YES, MS. THOMAS? UM, MY VOTE IS YES.
UH, AND IT, IT COINCIDES WITH HIS, HIS VOTE OF YES, AS LONG AS THE STIPULATIONS ARE MET FOR BOTH, UH, THE BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIALS.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? EXCUSE ME.
SO, UM, I WILL GET WITH THE APPLICANT TO GO OVER THESE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.
WE'LL PROBABLY MODIFY THE SITE PLAN TO, UM, TO, UH, TO REC TO REFLECT THOSE CONDITIONS.
AND THEN WE WILL MOVE THIS ON TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
NEXT ITEM ON A NEW, NEW BUSINESS IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A 67,900 SQUARE FOOT INDOOR MUSIC CENTER.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 71 51 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, DDP 26 DASH 17.
SO AS YOU ME MENTIONED, UH, WE ARE THE APPLICANT.
UM, THIS IS DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PROPOSED, UH, 67,900 SQUARE FOOT INDOOR FACILITY.
A MUSIC VENUE HAS, UH, CAPACITY OF ABOUT 4,000 PATRONS ON 18 ACRES.
UH, TO THE NORTH IS, UH, LARGELY AGRICULTURE AND, UH, PLANNED, MIXED USE WITH THE APARTMENTS TO THE EAST IS PLANNED.
MIXED USE ZONING WELL AND THEN TO THE WEST AND SOUTH IS ALL PLANNED MIXED USE.
SO, AS FAR AS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UH, ON NOVEMBER 10TH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
SINCE THAT APPROVAL, UM, WE HAVE, UH, ENLARGED THE FACILITY DESIGN FROM, UH, 56,400 TO 67,000, UH, 900, UH, MAINLY DUE TO MARKET, UM, DEMAND.
UM, SO WE ARE NOW SEEKING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL FOR THAT FACILITY.
SO THE REQUIRED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WERE PARKING SETBACKS OF, UH, 25 FEET ON THE WEST, UH, SIDE, AND THEN 10 FEET ON THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH SIDE.
THE REVISED SITE PLAN DOES MEET THIS, UH, MEET THIS, UH, REQUIREMENT.
WE ALSO HAD A REQUIREMENT THAT NO PARKING PAVEMENT OR TRAVEL LANES, UH, WOULD BE CLOSER THAN 40 FEET FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES.
THAT IS MAINLY AFFECTS THE WEST SIDE OF THE, UH, PROPERTY WHERE THE, UM, THE NEW APARTMENTS ARE, UH, UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THIS REVISED, UH, SITE PLAN MEETS THAT WE HAD A BUILDING SETBACK OF 50 FEET, WHICH, UH, IS EXCEEDED ON THE CURRENT PLAN.
UH, AND THEN THE LAST CONDITION WAS THAT THE SITE PLAN, UH, OR THAT THE, IT WAS THE CONDITION WAS THAT THE SITE PLAN GENERALLY MATCHED THE RENDERED SITE PLAN, UH, FULL SITE, WHICH WAS DATED SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2025.
SO THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL BASIC DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN.
UH, THERE ARE THREE ENTRANCES, UH, OFF OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
THOSE THREE, UH, ACCESS POINTS REMAIN.
WHAT HAS CHANGED IS THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE PARKING ON THE, THE GA LOT, THE, THE LOT, THE WEST, UH, LOT.
THERE'S BEEN ADDITIONAL PARKING PROVIDED.
THE, UM, TREE LINES, THE SWALES, THE DRAINAGE SWALES, UH, IN WITHIN THE PARKING LOT HAVE BEEN REDUCED FROM 20 FEET TO 10 FEET.
UH, AND THEN THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF GREEN SPACE, KIND OF UNUSED PLAZA AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, JUST NORTH OF THE BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN, UM, RE IMAGED
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IS, UH, AS PARKING.THE BUILDING HAS GOTTEN SLIGHTLY BIGGER, UH, ON ALL FOUR SIDES, BUT IT IS STILL WITHIN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED BUILDING, UH, PAD.
SO, SO THIS IS THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
UM, SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE PARKING, UH, PARKING ENCROACHES A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, UH, NEAR EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, THE SHADED AREA IN YELLOW IS THE ADDITIONAL PARKING.
UH, WE RECONFIGURED THE TOUR BUS, UH, PARKING A LITTLE BIT BEHIND THE BUILDING.
UH, BUT, UH, IN GENERAL, SINCE WE EXPANDED THE FACILITY, WE NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING.
OTHERWISE, UH, IT LARGELY REMAINS, UH, UNCHANGED FROM A SITE DESIGN PERSPECTIVE.
THE LANDSCAPING, UH, IS, UH, IS LARGELY UNCHANGED.
AS I MENTIONED, THE, THE INNER INTERIOR S SWALES REDUCED FROM, UH, 20 FEET TO 10 FEET.
THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL SCREENING AND BUFFERING ON THE WEST PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE THE WAY THE APARTMENTS ARE, UH, DESIGNED, MOST OF THE EAST SIDE OF THOSE APARTMENTS, OR THE WEST SIDE OF THIS PARKING LOT, THEIR PATIOS, UH, FACE THIS PARKING LOT.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS ADEQUATE SCREENING AND BUFFERING, UH, FOR THOSE RESIDENTS.
THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPING, UH, ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND ALONG, UH, THE BUILDING.
THIS IS KIND OF THE RENDERED VIEW OF, UH, PERSPECTIVE LOOKING, UH, NORTHEAST, UM, VERY, VERY MUCH.
UH, THE LANDSCAPING CUES FROM THE EXISTING ROSE MUSIC CENTER.
UH, SO INTERIOR STREET TREES, UH, OR PARKING LOT TREES, UH, SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPING ALONG THE PEDESTRIAN PASS THAT DRAW YOU TO THAT, UH, THAT PLAZA TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
UH, AND THEN ALSO AS YOU TRAVEL FROM THE VIP LOT ON THE EAST SIDE OR ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UH, THERE'LL BE LIGHTED PATHWAYS, LANDSCAPE PATHWAYS.
UH, WE ARE PROPOSING, OR WE ARE PROPOSING A MULTI-USE TRAIL THAT WILL GO ALL DOWN EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
THIS WILL ALSO CONNECT WITH THIS SITE.
UM, AGAIN, AND ALSO, UH, DECORATIVE LIGHTING, UH, WILL ALSO BE INSTALLED ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
THE BUILDING DESIGN REMAINS LARGELY UNCHANGED FROM, UH, WHAT YOU, UH, SAW ORIGINALLY.
UH, THIS IS THE SOUTH, UM, FACADE OR THE, THE SOUTH SIDE.
UH, SO THIS WOULD BE THE SIDE THAT, THAT YOU WILL SEE FROM EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, LARGELY FROM EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
THERE'S A LARGE IDENTIFICATION SIGN ON THE, UH, NORTH, EXCUSE ME, THE, THE TOP RIGHT CORNER OF THE BUILDING.
SO THE, UH, THE, THE TOP EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, IT'S GENERIC NOW THAT WILL HAVE THE NAME OF THE BUILDING ONCE THE, THAT NAME HAS BEEN, UM, UH, SETTLED UPON.
UH, SO THIS IS LOOKING TO THE EAST.
UH, THIS WOULD BE THE WEST FACADE.
LOOKING TO THE EAST, THERE IS A, UH, LARGE LED, UM, DISPLAY BOARD THAT IS JUST ABOVE THE, TO THE TOP RIGHT OF THE DOORS.
UH, THIS WOULD BE THE, UM, EAST FACADE.
SO LOOKING WEST, THERE IS, UH, ALSO A LARGE LED BOARD ON THE EAST, UH, SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, BASICALLY FACING MORE TOWARDS, UH, BRAND.
AND THEN THIS IS THE, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, KIND OF THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THE, THE BUILDING, UH, LOADING, LOADING DOCKS FOR THE STAGE, AS WELL AS EMERGENCY EXITS.
SOME OF THE, UH, EMERGENCY GENERATORS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THE ROOFTOP MECHANICALS ARE SCREENED FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW ON THE SOUTH, UH, WEST ON THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE.
UM, THESE ARE SOME PERSPECTIVES.
WHAT HAS CHANGED IS THE LITTLE, THE SLOPPY ACCENT PANELS.
THERE'S THE ROOFTOP DECK, THOUGH STILL REMAINS FOR THE VIP LOUNGE.
UH, THIS IS WHAT THE BUILDING WILL BE ENVISIONED, UH, FOR, UH, AT NIGHT.
AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE PARKING SETBACKS MEET OR EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE WEST AND THE NORTH.
UH, AND THE SOUTH AND THE EAST GENERALLY EXCEED, UH, 10 FEET REQUIREMENT.
THERE IS A, A SMALL ENCROACHMENT OF ABOUT FOUR SPACES ON ALONG LEHMAN WAY, OR EXCUSE ME, LEHMAN LANE.
UM, THE ENCROACHMENT IS A FEW FEET, BUT WE FELT THAT THAT, UH, ENCROACHMENT WAS THE TRADE OFF OF KEEPING THE PARKING WAS WORTH THE ENCROACHMENT.
SO, UH, IT IS LANDSCAPED NOT A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY ALONG, UH, LAYMAN, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW,
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IT, IT WAS NECESSARY.ALL PARKING AND TRAVEL LANES ARE AT LEAST 40 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES.
THAT INCLUDES THE APARTMENTS, UH, PARKVIEW APARTMENTS, AS WELL AS THE PARK.
UH, THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
I MENTIONED THE BUILDING EXCEEDS THE 50 FOOT SETBACK MINIMUM.
THIS PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2025 SUBMISSION ACCESS POINTS, UH, AND BUILDING PARKING LOCATIONS ARE UNCHANGED.
THEY JUST GOT, UH, SLIGHTLY LARGER AS FAR AS PARKING AND LOADING.
UM, THERE ARE 1400 JUST UNDER, OR EXCUSE ME, JUST OVER 1400, UH, PARKING SPACES PROVIDED OUR CODE, UH, REQUIRES, UM, ONE SEAT FOR EVERY, UH, TWO AND A HALF IN, OR EXCUSE ME, ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY TWO AND A HALF SEATS.
SO, UM, WE ACTUALLY ONLY NEED 746 PARKING SPACES BY CODE.
THIS IS ONE AREA OF THE CODE WHERE I THINK IT'S UNDERSHOOTING WHAT WE SHOULD PROVIDE.
UM, WE'RE PROVIDING ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 2.8 PATRONS, WHICH IS ROUGHLY ABOUT WHAT THE ROSE PARKING RATIO IS.
UM, SO THERE ARE 1,866 FEET FIXED SEATS.
WE ARE PROVIDING, UH, FOR JUST OVER 1400, UM, PARKING SPACES.
AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING, AS I MENTIONED, THE WEST PROPERTY LINE IS, IS HEAVILY LANDSCAPED TO SCREEN THE PARKING FROM THOSE RESIDENTIAL PATIOS THAT ARE ON THE SIDE.
UM, THE DECIDUOUS TREES LINE THE PERIMETER INTERIOR OF MOST PARKING AREAS.
THE BUILDING PERIMETER IS HEAVILY LANDSCAPED, UH, WITH PERENNIAL SHRUBS AND ORNAMENTAL GRASSES.
UH, IN YOUR PACKET, I INCLUDED SHEET L 1 0 1 OF THE, UM, LANDSCAPING PLANS.
THERE IS SIGNIFICANT HARDSCAPE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, FINISHED PAVERS, CONCRETE THAT REALLY ADD TEXTURE TO THE PLAZA AND DELINEATE THE VARIOUS, UH, SPACES AND HELP PULL PEOPLE TO THE ENTRANCE.
UH, THIS IS THE HARDSCAPE PLAN.
UH, THE, ON THE WEST SIDE, THE KIND OF HEAVY GRAY LINES ARE, UH, INTERIOR LIT, UH, INTERNALLY LIT PAVERS.
SO THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL LIGHTING.
THERE ARE A MIXTURE OF THREE, A 30 INCH AND 40 INCH BOLLARDS ON THE PERIMETER TO ALSO HELP FUNNEL, UH, INDIVIDUALS AND, AND, AND, UM, BETTER MARK THE, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN TRAVEL AREAS.
AS FAR AS LIGHTING, UH, THE PARKING LOT POLES ARE 25 FEET TALL.
SO, UH, THREE FOOT BASE WITH A 22 FOOT POLE, WHICH CONFORMS TO THE CODE.
WALKWAYS ARE LIT BY DECORATIVE, UH, BOLLARDS.
AND THEN THERE IS PROPOSED TO BE IN-GROUND, UH, COLOR CHANGING ACCENT LIGHTS.
THE BUILDING MATERIALS REMAIN UNCHANGED.
UH, IT'S A MIX OF CONCRETE PANELS, GLASS AND, UH, METAL ACCENT PANELS.
UH, AND AS I MENTIONED, THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS HAVE REMAINED LARGELY UNCHANGED, JUST SLIGHTLY, SLIGHTLY LARGER.
SIGNAGE HAS NOT FULLY BEEN DETERMINED, UM, PARTLY BECAUSE THAT ALSO, UM, THAT GOES ALONG WITH, UM, MARKETING AND BRANDING AND THAT HASN'T BEEN FULLY DETERMINED YET.
UM, BUT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW ON THE BUILDING WOULD BE, UM, ROUGHLY A 200 SQUARE FOOT ID SIGN.
UM, A 270 SQUARE FOOT WEST, UH, FACING LED BOARD AND A 345 SQUARE FOOT EAST FACING LED BOARD.
AS FAR AS COMMENTS BY ADDITIONAL, UH, BY OUR, OUR PARTNER AGENCIES, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS FROM THE, FROM THE BEGINNING, UM, INCLUDING, UH, INTERIOR BUILDING, FIRE SUPPRESSION, EGRESS LOCATION OF FIRE HYDRANTS ON SITE.
UH, SO ALL COMMENTS THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THESE PLANS.
AND THEY HAD NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
UH, SAME WAY WITH THE CITY ENGINEER, UH, HAS BEEN PART OF THIS PROJECT FROM DAY ONE.
AND ALL OF HIS COMMENTS HAVE BEEN INTEGRATED INTO THE SITE PLANS.
AND SO HE HAD NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL REVIEW, UH, AND APPROVED SITE SIGNAGE AT A LATER MEETING ONCE THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT CONCEPTS HAVE BEEN FINALIZED.
IT'S THE STAFF'S OPINION THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 11 71 0 6 HAVE BEEN MET.
UH, SO AS ALWAYS, YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS.
YOU CAN, UH, APPROVE THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH OR WITHOUT CONDITIONS DENIED THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR TABLE THE APPLICATION, UH, TO GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO, UM, KEN CONWAY HAS BEEN THE, UH, PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS SITE OR ON THIS PROJECT.
SO HE'S ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION RELATED QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
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AARON, SINCE THIS IS ON, SO WE, ACROSS THE STREET FROM HERE, WE HAVE KNOW SOME RESTAURANTS, THAT KIND OF THING.IS THERE GONNA BE A WALKWAY ACCESS FROM THAT SIDE OF THE STREET? WHAT IS THAT? WOULD IT CONSIDER THE SOUTH SIDE TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET? IS THAT GONNA BE MORE SET AS PEDESTRIAN OR WHAT'S THE THOUGHT ON THAT? YEAH, SO WE HAVE, UH, MKSK UNDER CONTRACT NOW PUTTING TOGETHER THE PEDESTRIAN PLAN FOR, UM, KIND OF THE GAPS THAT ARE ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
SO SHEETS, BASICALLY THE SHEETS, UH, SIDEWALK STOPS AT THE RETENTION POND, SO WE'LL PICK THAT UP AND CARRY IT ALONG THE RETENTION POND THAT WE BUILT, UM, FOR THIS SITE.
UH, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA FILL IN THE GAPS IN FRONT OF, UM, TJ CHUMPS DUBLIN PUB.
UH, THERE ARE SIDEWALKS ALONG IN FRONT OF, UH, THE EXISTING ROSE MUSIC CENTER.
AND THEN, UM, ALL THE WAY TO, UM, UH, WARPED WING ON THE NORTH SIDE.
ALL OF THE, UH, THE APPROVED DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR ALL OF THE APARTMENTS ALSO INCLUDE A, UH, WIDE, A WIDER MULTI-USE, UH, PATH ON THE NORTH SIDE.
UH, AND THEN WE OWN SOME LAND ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT WE WILL FILL IN THOSE GAPS.
SO THAT'S A LONG ANSWER TO AN EASY QUESTION, WHICH IS YES, THOSE, WE WILL BE PROVIDING PEDESTRIAN LINKAGES, UH, AS WELL AS CROSSWALKS AT EACH OF THE, UM, EACH OF THE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, THE, THE SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS.
YOU'VE GOT THIS UP AT, UH, 4,000, UH, SEATING CAPACITY.
WHAT'S THE ROWS? THE ROWS IS 3,800.
UM, THIS IS 4,000, INCLUDING STANDING ROOM ONLY.
OH, THE ACTUAL SEATING CAPACITY IS AROUND 1866.
BUT IF YOU TOOK THE CHAIRS OFF AND YOU HAD IT ON THE FLOOR, IT'S ABOUT 4,000.
DID YOU SAY THE ROSE WAS NOW 38? I THOUGHT IT WAS HIGHER THAN THAT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE 4,200 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AARON, CAN YOU GO TO THE SITE CONTEXT SLIDE PLEASE? I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AND IT'S, UH, KEEP GOING.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? THE SITE CONTEXT SLIDE.
IT IS JUST AT THE BEGINNING IT MIGHT HAVE GONE THE WRONG WAY.
SO MY, MY SAME CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS EXISTED TONIGHT AS THEY DID SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
THE PARKING SPOTS LOOK FANTASTIC.
THE BUILDING IS AMAZING LOOKING, BUT MY CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION THERE ON BRANT PIKE.
OKAY, SO PICTURE PRIME CONCERT MONTH, WE GOT CONCERTS AT THE ROWS, WE GOT CONCERTS AT THIS FACILITY.
WE HAVE RESTAURANT TRAFFIC, TYPICAL MEYER TRAFFIC, APARTMENT TRAFFIC.
HOW, HOW IS THE EGRESS INGRESS GONNA LOOK HERE ON BRANT PIKE RIGHT NOW WITH THAT REALLY SHORT TURN IN TO, WHAT IS IT? SHEETS? I THINK THAT, I MEAN, SO MANY TIMES PEOPLE JUST PULL RIGHT OUT BECAUSE THEY WENT IN THE WRONG EXIT, THE WRONG TURN LANE.
SO HOW, WHAT IS THE CITY'S SOLUTION OR THE APPLICANT'S SOLUTION TO PREVENT A CLUSTER OF TRAFFIC ON A CONCERT NIGHT? BECAUSE SOME, A VENUE LIKE THAT, THAT'S, I CAN JUST SEE TRAFFIC BACKED UP COMING OFF AT 70.
I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE POSSIBLE AVENUES WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE? YEAH, SO, UM, GIVEN THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS INTERSECTION OF THE FACILITY WOULD BE, UNLIKE THE ROWS, WHICH IS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, WE, WE WOULD ACTIVELY MANAGE THE TRAFFIC ON BOTH THE BEGINNING AND THE END OF THE SHOW.
SO, UH, AT THIS INTERSECTION, SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE POLICE AND OR PRIVATE SECURITY, UH, ACTIVELY MANNING THIS, UH, THIS INTERSECTION, CONE IT OFF PROBABLY 2, 2, 1 OR TWO ENTRANCES OR, YOU KNOW, ROWS IN.
UM, WE, WE HAVE IT SET UP NOW WHERE WE CAN MANUALLY CONTROL THE TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC LIGHTS THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD OCCUR.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE CAN GET PEOPLE STAGGER IN.
'CAUSE THEY'LL, THEY'LL NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, STOP AND GET A, GET A DRINK OR GET SOME FOOD AND, AND THEY ARRIVE AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
UM, SO WE CAN GET EVERYBODY OUT OF THE EXISTING ROSE FACILITY IN ABOUT 35 TO 40 MINUTES BECAUSE WE ACTIVELY MANAGE THAT TRAFFIC.
SO IF YOU'RE ON THE WEST SIDE PARKING LOT, YOU'RE GOING WEST.
IF YOU'RE ON THE EAST SIDE PARKING LOT, YOU'RE GOING EAST.
THAT'LL BE THE EXACT SAME WAY HERE.
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AS FAR AS WHEN TWO SHOWS WOULD BE AT THE SAME TIME, WE WOULD, UM, STRIVE TO DO STAGGERED STA STAGGERED START TIMES SO THAT NOT EVERY SHOW STARTS AT THE EXACT SAME TIME.I, THERE WILL BE, UM, SHOWS THAT OCCUR SIMULTANEOUSLY, BUT I THINK THAT WILL BE THE EXCEPTION AND NOT THE RULE.
UH, BUT BE GIVEN THE, THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO BRANT PIKE, THAT WILL REQUIRE ACTIVE MANAGEMENT OF THAT INTERSECTION.
SO FOLKS ARE DIRECTED IN THERE.
VARGO, I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT LAST PART.
UH, WE CAN CONTROL THE, THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON BRANT PIKE.
EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THAT CLOSE TO THE INTERSTATE, THE STATES DOESN'T OVERRIDE OUR ABILITY TO CONTROL.
NO, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE ACTIVELY MANAGING.
THAT'LL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
IF THE POLICE OFFICERS CAN BE THERE AND TAKE CARE OF THE SITUATION.
AND WE'RE DESIGNING, UH, AN UPGRADE TO THAT TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEM RIGHT NOW.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE CABLED UM, TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
WE'LL PUT MASK ARMS IN AS, AS WELL AS NEW, NEW UPDATED CONTROLLERS SO THAT, THAT IS BEING DESIGNED RIGHT NOW.
AND I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS.
UH, COULD YOU GO TO THE VERY LAST, UM, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT PLAN? IT'S THE VERY LAST PHOTO THAT YOU SHOWED RIGHT THERE.
CAN YOU TELL ME, SHOW ME ON THERE, WHERE ARE THE CONCESSION STANDS? THEY'RE ALL INDOORS.
SO YOU'RE, THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE HERE.
UH, AND WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH, THERE WILL BE A CONCESSION STAND.
THERE'LL BE A MERCH TABLE AS WELL AS CONCESSION STANDS ON BOTH SIDES.
IS THAT INSIDE OR OUTSIDE? INSIDE.
THERE ARE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO OUTDOOR, LIKE PRE-GAME PLAZA TYPE EVENTS.
SO WE COULD DO OUTDOOR THINGS.
FAMOUS, UH, IN THE PLAZA DURING WHEN IT'S NICE WEATHER, BUT IT'S LARGELY DESIGNED TO BE, UH, PROGRAMMED INDOORS.
WILL YOU HAVE TABLES FOR PEOPLE TO SIT? YES.
UH, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS YOU'VE ADDED THE PARKING IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S THE VIP PARKING, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THERE'S A MIXTURE OF VIP IN THE, UH, SO IN THE FART UHHUH
HOW DO THEY GET INSIDE? DO THEY HAVE TO WALK AROUND? DOES EVERYONE HAVE TO WALK AROUND AND COME IN THE FRONT DOOR? THERE WILL BE A SEPARATE VIP ENTRANCE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE VIP LOT.
WHAT, SAY THAT AGAIN? THERE'S A SEPARATE VIP ENTRANCE, UM, THAT IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE VIP LOT.
SO THE, THE VIP ENTRANCE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THERE WILL BE TWO ENTRANCES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND OR THE APPLICANT?
CONAWAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS?
YOU ALREADY, YOU KNOW, YOU LIKE ANYTHING LEFT NOW? UM, WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THE DESIGN AND THE REDESIGN NOW FROM WHEN YOU SAW IT LAST TIME, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
SOME REALLY SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT THERE.
UH, REALLY GOOD IMPROVEMENTS TO MAXIMIZE THE FOOTPRINT THAT, UH, WITH SLIGHT INCREASE OF THE FOOTPRINT REALLY CAPTURED THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY ON THE FLOOR SPACE.
SO NOT ONLY WAS IT ABOUT SEATS, WHICH WE ADDED 450 SEATS AND AS, UH, FOR OTHER EVENTS THAT THE CITY CAN USE THE FACILITY FOR WHEN IT'S NOT A CONCERT.
THEY ADDED A LOT OF TABLES, FLOOR SPACE, SO THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE ROOM ON THE OPEN FLOOR TO DO THINGS BESIDES THE CONCERTS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER 'EM FOR YOU OR I, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN.
COULD YOU TELL ME THE CAPACITY OF THIS? IT'S, UM, UH, UH, ROUGHLY 1800 SEATED CAPACITY AND THEN, UH, AROUND 4,000, UM, SEATED AND STANDING ROOM ONLY 1800 SEATING SEATS, FIXED SEATS.
IS THAT THE, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE FLOOR SEATING THOUGH? 1800.
ISN'T THAT THE FIXED SEATING? THAT'S THE FIXED SEATING.
SO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FIXED SEATING, YOU CAN SET LOOSE CHAIRS LIKE YOU DO AT THE FRONT OF THE ROWS ALL OVER THE FLOOR.
THAT'S AROUND NINE, 900 OR SO.
SO I, I THINK IT'S ABOUT A 500 800 PERSON SWING BETWEEN FULLY SEATED WITH SEATS ON THE
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OPEN FLOOR SPACE VERSUS REMOVAL OF THEM WHERE IT'S STANDING ROOM ONLY ON THE FLOOR, FOUR OR 500.BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T ADD UP TO, WHAT'D YOU SAY? SO 4,000 IS THE CAPACITY IN INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO ARE STANDING ON THE FLOOR.
SO FOR A SHOW THAT WOULD CALL IT MORE OF A ROCK SHOW OR A HIGH ENERGY SHOW WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE STANDING, UM, IT WOULD BE UP TO 4,000 PEOPLE.
AND IN THAT, IN THAT SITUATION, YOU HAVE NO FOLDING SEATS ON THE FLOOR AT ALL.
IS THIS A MULTI-LEVEL SEATING OR IS IT ALL IT'S THREE LEVELS OF SEATING.
OH, SO THE WAY AARON, A BALCONY, AARON GAVE YOU THE FIRST FLOOR LAYOUT WHERE YOU'RE COMING IN, YOUR CONCESSIONS AND YOUR MERCHANDISE IS AVAILABLE.
YOU WALK AROUND EITHER THROUGH A CORRIDOR, AROUND THE EDGES INTO THE, THE OPEN AREA.
WHEN YOU'RE IN THE OPEN AREA, IF YOU DID A VIEW BACK, YOU'D SEE THREE TIERS OF SEATING.
EACH, THE SECOND LEVEL HAS CONCESSIONS AND RESTROOMS ON IT AS WELL.
AND THE THIRD LEVEL HAS LIMITED RESTROOM AND A SMALL CONCESSION AREA THAT'S MORE LIKE THE V-I-A-V-I-P CONCESSION AREA ON THE, ON THE THIRD LEVEL.
BUT YEAH, IT'S THREE FLOORS OF, OF, OF SEATS.
I KIND OF FIGURED THAT BY THE, THE PHOTO, BUT YEAH.
THOUGHT I BETTER ASK BE IS, IS THE PLAN TO HAVE VIP BOXES OR JUST ONE AREA? SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF VIP OPPORTUNITIES.
UH, SO A, A LOT OF WHAT WE DID WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH MIMI, WHO OPERATES THE ROWS FOR US, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A FACILITY SIMILAR TO THIS IN CINCINNATI RIGHT NOW, THE ANDREW J. BRADY.
SO A LOT OF WHAT WE DID IN OUR DESIGN CAME FROM WHAT THEY LEARNED AND WISH THEY WOULD'VE DONE DIFFERENT IN CINCINNATI.
SO THE VIP EXPERIENCE IS A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO MAKE MONEY IN ADDITION TO SELLING SEATS.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE, LIKE AARON POINTED OUT, A SEPARATE VIP ENTRANCE.
SO THERE'S A VIP PARKING LOT, A SEPARATE VIP ENTRANCE.
THERE'S A VIP LOUNGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND THEN THE THIRD FLOOR HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VIP AREA BEHIND THE SEATS THAT ARE UP THERE.
SO THE THIRD FLOOR AREA, I'M CALLING IT THE THIRD FLOOR.
THE THIRD LEVEL IS, IS, IS FAIRLY NARROW IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER AREAS.
SO THERE'S A, UH, 30 FEET, 20 FEET DEEP VIP, UM, BAR SERVICE AREA ACROSS THE TOP WITHIN FI FIXED SEATING IN FRONT OF THAT.
THAT STARTS TO STEP YOU DOWN TO THE LEVELS BELOW.
SO WILL IT, THE VIP WILL IT BE KIND OF LIKE WHAT THE ROSE IS LIKE THEIR VIP LIKE THE PACKAGE, LIKE YOU GET THE SEATING, YOU GET THE BAR YOU GET IT COULD BE.
IT'S THE, UH, THE, THE SEATING ON THAT THIRD LEVEL, UH, PARTS OF IT ARE VERY FLEXIBLE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE VIP GROUPS OR SMALLER, SMALLER INTER GROUPS.
IT IT, THERE, THERE ISN'T THE KIND OF THE BOX CORRALS THAT YOU HAVE AT, UH, AT, UH, THE ROWS.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE.
SO YOU COULD HAVE VIP UM, CORPORATE EVENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO DO YOU KNOW IF YOU'LL BE ABLE TO LIKE AS A, AS A RESIDENT, LIKE BUY A, LIKE A MINI PACKAGE OF CONCERTS IN THE VIP OR DO YOU BUY, LIKE IF YOU'RE IN THE VIP, IS IT LIKE THE WHOLE CONCERT SEASON? I WOULD IMAGINE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT GRANULAR LEVEL OF THE, OF THE TICKET SALES, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THERE WILL BE
I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE LOOKING TO MAXIMIZE, UM, UM, PARTICIPATION AND UH, AND, AND, AND ATTENDANCE.
CAN I ASK, 'CAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE WILL ASK LIKE, WILL THAT BE AN OPTION? AND I WANNA BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, THAT IS SOMETHING THEY'RE WORKING ON.
YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO BUY THE FULL 70 SHOW, UH, PACKET.
A LOT OF THOUGHT HAS GONE INTO CREATING THE VIP EXPERIENCE.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT FROM OUR WORK WITH THEM IN OUR TRIPS TO CINCINNATI, LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE.
I MEAN, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S WHAT LED US TO THE SEPARATE PARKING AREA.
FROM THAT ENTRANCE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY TAKE AN ELEVATOR UP TO THE VIP LOUNGE WHERE YOU CAN GO UP, THERE'S A GRAND STAIRWAY, DOESN'T SHOW ANY PICTURES, BUT INSIDE THAT GLASS AREA TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRONT, THERE'S A, A GRAND STAIRWAY THAT GOES UP TO THE UPPER LEVELS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT'S BEEN GONE, THAT HAS GONE INTO THE VIP EXPERIENCE.
I'M SURE THEY'LL BE JUST AS CREATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO PACKAGES AND THINGS TO, YOU KNOW, TO SELL FOR PEOPLE.
SO THERE IS AN ELEVATOR? YES, THERE IS AN ELEVATOR.
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YEAH.BUT ONLY BACK THERE IN THE BACK FOR THE VIP ENTRANCES, IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE YEAH, IT'S, IT'S FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC NEWS.
GENERAL PUBLIC'S AVAILABLE, BUT IT'S IN THAT AREA.
I WOULD THINK YOU'D HAVE IT FOR HANDICAPPED MINNESOTA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, WHEN YOU GONNA START? WHEN ARE YOU GONNA START DIGGING
SO WE ACTUALLY BID OUT AND STARTED THE SITE WORK AND THROUGH CONTINUED DUE DILIGENCE ON THE BUILDING, WE DETERMINED THAT WE WANTED TO HIT THE BRAKES ON THE SITE WORK AND GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE THAT AARON'S PRESENTED TONIGHT OF TAKING ADVAN, TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE OF THE SITE SO THAT WE GOT A LITTLE MORE OUT OF THE BUILDING.
WE GOT A LITTLE MORE OUT OF THE PARK AND WE DID AWAY WITH THE ONE PLAZA AREA THAT WE HAD DESIGNED ORIGINALLY.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR ALL THE PLANS TO COME BACK TOGETHER.
AND BASED ON THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE NOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE'D HAVE THE SITE PAVED OUT THIS YEAR.
PRELIMINARILY FOR THAT THE BUILDING PACKAGE CAN START AND DO LIKE WE DID AT THE ROSE WHERE WHEN THE BUILDING CONTRACTOR COMES IN, HE'S WORKING ON BASE ASPHALT.
SO THEY GET YEAR GOOD YEAR ROUND WEATHER WORKABILITY.
BUT WE'LL SEE YOU THERE FOR CONCERTS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? HEY, AND HERE, NO ONE, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, FOR THE APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 71 51 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD CASE DDP 26 17.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JULY 10TH, 2026, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERETO CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION MOVED BY MS. THOMAS.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. VARGO? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? WELL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO PLUG ALONG, UM, WAITING AND GET THE, UH, REVISED BUILDING PLANS AND, AND MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
UM, WE WILL THEN BRING BACK TO YOU THE, THE SITE SIGNAGE, UM, PACKAGE AS WE REFINE THE, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS.
OH, I GUESS WE DO, WE NEED TO CLARIFY THE VOTE ON THE, UM, COAST TO COAST BECAUSE IT WAS THREE TO ZERO.
HER ABSTAINING IS NOT COUNTED.
SO IF YOU WANNA MAKE THAT YEAH, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THE VOTE ON THE, UH, THE COAST TO COAST OR OUR FIRST, UM, ZONING CASE THIS EVENING IS THREE TO ZERO, NOT THREE TO ONE, NOT THE THREE, NOT THREE TO ONE, BUT THREE TO ZERO 'CAUSE MS. VARGO HAD ABSTAINED.
NEXT IS, UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 9TH, 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE APPROVED.
I REPORT SOME CALENDAR REVIEW IN UPCOMING MEETINGS.
UM, AT THIS MOMENT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT, UH, COMING FORWARD.
UM, UH, THE NEXT MEETING THOUGH, I DO WANT TO HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT SOME OF THE ZONING CODE UPDATES, UH, AND HAVE A POLICY CONVERSATION ON KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AT THE MOMENT.
SO YOU'LL HAVE A FULL, UH, PACKET BRIEFING.
UM, WE'RE HAVING A CON A MEETING WITH THE CONSULTANT, UH, TOMORROW.
SO, UM, WE'LL HAVE, UH, HAVE A DISCUSSION LARGELY AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS PENDING.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR ATTENDING AND STAND ADJOURNED.