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STARTED.[ AGENDA CITIZEN COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD City Governance Center - Council Chambers 6151 Brandt Pike May 26, 2026 6:00 P.M.]
I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.UH, THE MEETING IS AT ORDER AT SIX.
UH, SO I WILL DO THE ROLL CALL.
UM, MR. KING AND MS. STEVENS ARE ABSENT.
SO, UM, EVERY COMMISSION, UH, HAS A CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR, AND THEY WOULD TYPICALLY RUN THE MEETING.
UM, I'M RUNNING IT TODAY JUST ABSENT OF A CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR.
SO, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO DO, UH, ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
SO IF THERE IS A, UM, DESIRE TO NOMINATE ONE OR, UH, MORE OF, OF YOUR, UM, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
THE ROLE OF CHAIR IS SIMPLY TO RUN THE MEETING.
UH, AND THE ROLE OF THE VICE CHAIR IS TO RUN THE MEETING WHEN THE CHAIR'S NOT HERE.
BUT OTHERWISE, ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, DUTIES WILL FALL ON ME.
ARE ANYBODY INTERESTED IN NOMINATING? OH, MS. STEVENS, WELCOME.
IS ANYBODY INTERESTED IN SERVING AS CHAIR FOR ALPHABET? THIS IS JERRY CITY OF PAPER HEIGHTS.
WE'VE GOT A, WE'RE JUST IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER AT THE MOMENT.
JEN IS, SHE SAID IT'S THAT ONE.
IS THERE A SECOND TO NOMINATE MS. CLARK? I SECOND THAT MOTION.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF MS. CLARK BEING THE CHAIR.
IS THERE A, UM, DO WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR VICE CHAIR? I DON'T MIND.
UH, IS THERE A SECOND TO NOMINATE MS. FOE? I'LL SECOND SECONDER.
AND I FORGOT TO SWEAR YOU ALL IN
UH, SO ON YOUR, IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE OATH OF OFFICE.
UM, SO IF YOU COULD, UH, STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR, YOUR RIGHT HAND.
HOWARD, YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR AFFIRM TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR AFFIRMED, SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES STATES CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF OHIO, CONSTITUTION OF STATE OF OHIO, THE CHARTER AND ALL ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
THE CHARTER CHARTER OF ALL INSTANCES OF THE CITY OF HEIGHTS.
AND THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY, HONESTLY, AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES.
AND THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY, HONESTLY, AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES.
SO, UM, PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE PUT THIS AT THE TOP OF THE AGENDA, BUT, UM, WELCOME TO THE CITIZEN COMPLETE REVIEW BOARD.
I'M ONE OF THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS, AND I'M THE STAFF, UH, LIAISON TO THIS BOARD.
SO YOU'LL BE, UM, MOST OF THE COMMUNICATION THAT YOU RECEIVE, UH, FROM, UH, REGARDING THIS BOARD WILL EITHER BE FROM ME OR, UM, TONY ROGERS, THE CLERK OF, OF, UH, COUNCIL.
UM, THERE ARE FIVE APPOINTED POSITIONS AND, UH, WHO ARE ALL VOTING, SORRY, SEVEN, UH, UH, VOTING POSITIONS.
UH, AS PART OF THE CCRB, THERE ARE, UH, TWO NON-VOTING, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER AND THE, UH, CHIEF OF POLICE.
SO, I'LL LET, UH, JOHN AND THE TONY INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
AND I'M TONY ASHLEY, THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE POLICE DIVISION.
SO I, ON THE FIRST TIME MEETING, MANY OF YOU, UM, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST GIVING US, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND WHY YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THIS BOARD, YOUR HISTORY WITH HUBER HEIGHTS, ET CETERA.
AND I'LL START WITH YOU MR. ADAMS. LEMME INTERRUPT JUST A MINUTE.
IT'S, IT IS LIVE STREAMING, BUT IT'S DELAYED.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE A GO LIKE, OKAY.
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SO ARE WE STARTING NOW? YES.MY NAME'S HOWARD ADAMS. UM, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HUBER HEIGHTS FOR APPROXIMATELY 20 YEARS.
I LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHAT IS IT? 70, UH, LOB LOLLY DRIVE.
RETIRED FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AFTER 40 YEARS OF SERVICE.
HAPPY TO BE HERE TO HELP OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, MY FAMILY MOVED HERE WHEN I WAS LIKE IN THE EIGHTH GRADE, I BELIEVE.
SO I WENT TO WAYNE AND CTC FOR HIGH SCHOOL.
I HAVE MY BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN SOCIAL WORK.
UM, I'VE WORKED WITH FAMILY AND KIDS SINCE I'VE BEEN OUT OF COLLEGE, SO I AM HAPPY AND THRILLED TO, UM, SERVE MY COMMUNITY.
UM, I MOVED HERE IN 1999, BOUGHT A HOUSE AND MOVED AWAY FOR 20 YEARS FOR A JOB, AND CAME BACK IN 19.
UM, I'M RETIRED FROM THE, UM, GOVERNMENT AND I REALLY LIKE BEING IN HERE.
I LIKE, I LIKE THE COMMUNITY OF HUBBERT HEIGHTS AND I THINK WE GOT A TERRIFIC POLICE FORCE AND I WANNA KEEP IT THAT WAY.
I AM ORIGINALLY FROM AMERICAN SAMOA, BORN AND RAISED.
UH, WE LO RELOCATED HERE TO OHIO.
I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST A DECADE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
I CURRENTLY WORK FOR A LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND A HUMAN RESOURCES, UM, UH, DEPARTMENT.
UM, I HAVE AN ASSOCIATE'S AND BACHELOR'S IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE, A MASTER'S IN, UM, PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION AND A DOCTORATE IN, UM, UH, ORGANIZATIONAL LEADERSHIP.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HUBER HEIGHTS FOR ABOUT 14 YEARS.
UM, I WORK FOR THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITY SCHOOLS.
UM, I'VE WORKED FOR THE SCHOOLS FOR FOUR AND A HALF YEARS NOW.
UM, I JUST LIKE BEING INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND I FIGURED THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET MORE INVOLVED.
I AM YOLANDA STEVENS, AND I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HUBER ALMOST 30 YEARS NOW.
UM, BUT I, UH, FOUNDED THE, THE HUBER HEIGHTS CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION IN 2000 2001.
AND THE CCRB ACTUALLY CAME OUT OF THAT COMMISSION.
AND SO I AM SITTING ON THE CCRB AS KIND OF A CONDUIT BETWEEN THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION AND THE CCRB.
SO, UM, THE CCRB, UH, AND, UH, MS. STEVENS, YOU CAN CERTAINLY FILL IN WHERE I I AM WRONG.
UH, 'CAUSE YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, MUCH, MUCH MORE, UH, INTIMATE AND, UH, IN CREATING THIS.
UM, BUT THE, THE ROLE, YOUR ROLE IS TO ESSENTIALLY, UH, HEAR COMPLAINTS THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED, UM, BASED ON, UM, POLICE ACTIONS, EITHER USE OF FORCE OR SOME OTHER ENGAGEMENT THAT THE POLICE HAD WITH THE RESIDENT, UH, WHO FELT THAT, UH, THINGS DID NOT GO THE WAY THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE.
UH, AND, AND HAVE FILED A COMPLAINT.
SO WE WILL MEET, UM, ANNUALLY JUST TO, TO CHECK IN.
UH, BUT OTHERWISE, THIS IS LARGELY AN ON-CALL BOARD.
SO, UM, WHEN THERE IS A COMPLAINT THAT'S FILED, UH, AND IT GOES THROUGH THE INTERNAL POLICE REVIEW, UH, AND IF THE COMPLAINT IS, IS SUSTAINED, THEN, UM, OR THEY FILE THAT INDIVIDUAL FILES A COMPLAINT WITH, UM, WITH THE, THE STAFF.
UM, WE BASICALLY NEED TO CONVENE THIS GROUP, UH, WITHIN ABOUT 15 DAYS OF THE LAW DIRECTOR SAYING THAT THERE IS A HEARING THAT NEEDS TO, TO, TO BE HAD.
SO WE ARE STILL IN FRONT OF YOU, IS THE FLOW CHART O OF THE PROCESS.
UH, HOPEFULLY YOU SAW THAT IN THE, IN THE PACKETS.
UM, BUT IT'S FAIRLY, FAIRLY SIMPLE.
UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, A COMPLAINT IS FILED, THE, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR POLICE REVIEWS THAT COMPLAINT AND DETERMINES WHETHER THAT COMPLAINT WAS SUSTAINED OR NOT.
UM, IF IT WAS A COM, IF, IF THE INTERNAL REVIEW DETERMINES THAT THE OFFICER DID IN FACT, UM, DO SOMETHING WRONG, THEN UM, THERE WOULD BE DISCIPLINE, THE APPROPRIATE DISCIPLINE, UM, MET OR, OR HANDED OUT.
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REVIEW DETERMINES THAT THERE WASN'T, UM, A REASON, UM, THEN THAT, THAT FINDING LETTER IS SENT TO THE COMPLAINT, THE COMPLAINANT HAS THE OPTION THEN OF APPEALING THAT TO THIS BOARD.AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOUR ROLE IS.
YOU ARE, YOU ARE THE, UH, AN APPEALS BOARD IN A SENSE.
UM, SO IF A COMPLAINT IS FILED, IT WOULD GET FILED WITH FOR NOW.
UH, IT GETS FILED WITH THE POLICE, WHICH THEN TRANSFERS IT TO ME.
UH, AND THEN ALSO THE, UM, CITY LAW DIRECTOR WHO WOULD INDEPENDENTLY REVIEW THAT.
UH, THE LAW DIRECTOR WOULD THEN COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE A HEARING OR THERE SHOULDN'T BE A HEARING.
UM, IF THERE IS A HEARING, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD BRING YOU ALL IN, UH, SCHEDULE THE HEARING.
IT WOULD BE, UH, IN THE PUBLIC, LIKE HERE IN THIS SETTING.
UH, AND THEN, UM, WE, WELL, I'M SORRY, YOU HAVE 30 DAYS.
SO WE HAVE 15 DAYS TO DETERMINE WHETHER A HEARING NEEDS TO BE SET.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE 30 DAYS TO CONVENE THE HEARING.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD, UM, WE WOULD HAVE THE HEARING AND THEN YOU WOULD BASICALLY REPORT BACK WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THE FINDINGS, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE, UM, THE COMPLAINT SHOULD, SHOULD BE SUSTAINED AND THE OFFICER, UH, DISCIPLINED OR, OR NOT.
UM, IT'S A FAIRLY, IT'S A COM IT'S A SIMPLE PROCESS FOR A COMPLEX PROBLEM.
UM, WE HAVE DRAFT FORMS THAT, UM, WERE DRAFTED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
IT TOOK A WHILE TO STAND UP THIS BOARD.
UM, SO OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, UH, I'M GONNA WORK WITH, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF ASHLEY, UH, AND RSR LAW DIRECTOR TO REFINE SOME OF THOSE FORMS, JUST TO MAKE SURE THE LANGUAGE IS IS GOOD.
WE'LL SEND THEM BACK TO YOU TO, FOR A FINAL KIND OF A STAMP OF APPROVAL, SINCE THAT'S REALLY THE FIRST TIME I THINK THAT, THAT YOU'VE SEEN THESE.
'CAUSE IT'S THE FIRST TIME BEING ON THE BOARD.
UM, BUT WE DO WANT YOUR INPUT, UH, INTO THE PROCESS, UH, AND AND SUCH.
SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN A COMPLAINT FILED.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY.
UM, SO I JUST, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER, UH, ANY QUESTIONS.
AS I SAID, THERE'S SEVEN VOTING MEMBERS AND THEN THERE ARE TWO NON-VOTING MEMBERS, UM, THAT, THAT MAKE UP, MAKE UP THE BOARD.
AND LARGELY THEY'RE HERE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE GUIDANCE AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT PROCESSES AND INTERNAL POLICIES.
UM, BUT, BUT YOU, YOU ARE THE ADJUDICATORS.
DEPUTY CHIEF ASHLEY, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO MY POOR EXPLANATION?
I, I HAPPEN TO BE THE ONE THAT HANDLES THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS OVER AT THE POLICE DIVISION.
UM, AND, UH, LIKE YOU SAID, THESE SAMPLE FORMS, THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THINGS UP FOR ME A LITTLE BIT.
BUT, UM, WE'LL GET THOSE SITUATED AND I'LL START USING THOSE WHEN NECESSARY.
SO THE SAMPLE FORMS ARE, WELL, I'M GONNA TAKE A STEP BACK 'CAUSE I WANNA KIND OF EXPLAIN TO, UM, THE BOARD HERE.
THE REASON THAT THIS CAME ABOUT IS BECAUSE INITIALLY IN THE CITY, IF A RESIDENT HAD A COMPLAINT, THEY WOULD COM JUST SUBMITTED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT THERE WAS NO RECOURSE AFTER THAT.
IF THEY FOUND THAT IT WAS NOT FAIR OR NOT ABOUT WHATEVER, THERE WAS NO RECOURSE FOR THAT.
AND SO THAT'S HOW THE CCRB CAME ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT WAS LIKE COMPLAINING TO YOUR, WHOEVER YOU FELT DID YOU WRONG RIGHT.
INSTEAD OF HAVING AN OUTSIDE BODY TO SUBMIT THAT TO.
AND SO THAT'S HOW THE CCRB CAME ABOUT.
UM, AND IT ACTUALLY WAS PART OF THE NAACPS, I THINK IT WAS A NINE POINT THRUST THAT THEY ASK ALL OF THE CITIES, THE LOCAL CITIES TO UM, DEVELOP THIS TYPE OF BOARD.
UM, AND SO WE WORK THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION, WORKED WITH THE CITY, UM, THEN TO COME UP WITH THIS AND COME UP WITH THIS PROCESS.
SO I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE LAW DIRECTOR RECOMMENDATION.
SO ONCE IT GOES TO, NO, LEMME TAKE A STEP BACK.
SO THEY GET THE FINDINGS AND THEY GET A LETTER, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT SAYS WE FIND IT, IT'LL TELL THEM THE, IT'LL TELL THEM THE FINDINGS OF THE INVESTIGATION.
UM, AND UH, THERE'LL BE OBVIOUSLY A NEW LETTER THAT WOULD BE ATTACHED WITH THAT, THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO
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HAVE THIS BOARD, UH, REVIEW IT.AND THEN HOW DO THEY SUBMIT THAT? UM, I WILL BE SENDING IT BY MAIL, UM, TO THE COMPLAINANT.
UM, THE FINDINGS AND THE, THE, UH, OPTION TO FILE IT WITH, IT'LL FILE A REVIEW WITH THE BOARD, UM, BY MAIL? IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? YES.
AND THEN THEY SEND IT BACK BY MAIL? OR THEY HAVE TO BRING IT, WHAT'S THAT PROCESS? THEY CAN BRING IT BACK IN PERSON.
THEY CAN SEND IT BACK TO THE MAIL.
THEY CAN SCAN IT AND EMAIL IT TO ME.
I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN ORIGINAL OR, OKAY, GREAT.
SO THEN IT GOES TO THE LAW DIRECTOR AND THE LAW DIRECTOR DETERMINES IF IT MOVES FORWARD TO THE CCRB? IT, IT WOULD BE, UM, I THINK A COMBINATION OF THE LAW DIRECTOR AND, AND INTERNAL STAFF AS TO WHAT, WHAT THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINT WAS, WHETHER THE UM, AND, AND WHETHER IT SHOULD BE MOVE TO CCRB.
I DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE TOO MUCH, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LAW DIRECTOR WOULD LOOK AT THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINT, THE, WHAT THE INVESTIGATION TOOK PLACE, WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER EVIDENCE THERE IS, BODY CAM OR, OR SO ON, SO FORTH.
UM, AND THEN FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN DAYTON, THEY WILL GO TO THIS BOARD MORE OFTEN THAN THEY WON'T.
WHAT'S THE CRITERIA FROM IT MOVING FROM THE LAW DIRECTOR TO THE CCRB? SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
UM, I THINK PART OF THIS IS, I THINK WE WORKING WITH THIS BOARD WILL ALSO WANT TO FINE TUNE SOME OF THOSE, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CRITERIA.
'CAUSE THIS WAS SET UP 24 2024 ORIGINALLY.
WAS THAT THE 24? YEAH, I THINK IT WAS 24.
WELL, IT TOOK ABOUT TWO YEARS TO GET IT IN PLACE.
SO WE STARTED IN 22, I THINK IT WAS.
BUT YEAH, SO I THINK THIS IS NEW FOR US AS WELL.
UH, AND SO WORKING TOGETHER WE WILL, WE'LL NEED TO REFINE THIS PROCESS.
I DON'T HAVE THE PACKET IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I DID READ IT WHEN, WHEN YOU SENT IT OUT, THE STAFF LIAISON.
THE POINT OF CONTACT I DO SEE HERE THAT SAYS IF THE BOARD RIGHT UNDER IT'S ON THE CHART, UM, IF THE BOARD DETERMINES A HEARING IS NOT APPROPRIATE, THE C-C-R-R-B SHALL NOTIFY THE COMPLAINTS.
ARE WE NOTIFYING OR IS THAT YOU WOULD BE ME.
SO ARE WE, SHOULD WE CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE? I MEAN, JUST TO REMOVE CCRB AND PULL THE STAFF LIAISON? I CAN, YES, WE CAN CHANGE THAT.
DO YOU HAVE A BACKUP, AN EVENT SOMETHING HAPPENS? ARE YOU, IF YOU'RE ON LEAVE IN CASE, ARE YOU THE ONLY ONE AT THIS POINT? I'M THE ONLY ONE.
IF I WERE ON LEAVE, I WOULD, UM, I WOULD NOTIFY YEAH.
THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEN WE HAVE A, ANOTHER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
SO WE KIND OF PLAY OFF EACH OTHER AND, AND COVER FOR EACH OTHER WHEN, WHEN WE'RE ON VACATION.
BUT IT WOULD LIKELY BE THE OTHER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION, WHOEVER JOHN DESIGNATES.
OKAY, I AL I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
THE CCRB INITIAL REVIEW, IS THAT JUST THE BOARD MEMBERS OR THE NON ELECTING MEMBERS PART OF THAT? IT WOULD BE YOU, SO JUST US.
AND CHIEF OF POLICE, CITY MANAGER, THEY WON'T BE IN THAT MEETING, SO YES.
'CAUSE THE CHIEF, THE CHIEF AND THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BE IN THAT MEETING.
'CAUSE THEY ARE PART OF THE BOARD.
THEY'RE JUST NOT A NON-VOTING.
SO THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE OR, YOU KNOW, PROCESS QUESTIONS.
WELL, THEY WOULD NOT BE A CONSIDERATION IN THE VOTE.
AND THEN THE CCRB INITIAL REVIEW MEETING, IS IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? YES.
OR IS THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO, ALL OF OUR MEETINGS WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO AS FAR AS, UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE PROTECTING PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, REDACTING CERTAIN THINGS FROM, FROM.
BUT I THINK IT ALL INTENTS IT WOULD BE, I WOULD SAY IN THOSE MEETINGS TOO, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE THE LAW DIRECTOR HERE YEAH.
JUST TO ANSWER ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE AND OKAY.
YEAH, I THINK THERE IS A, THERE IS AN EXPECTATION THAT THIS IS A TRANSPARENT PROCESS.
AND SO IF THEY WERE NOT PUBLIC HEARINGS, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE SEEN AS A TRANSPARENT OR OPEN PROCESS.
SO THEN WE HAD TO DETERMINE THE CRITERIA FOR MOVING IT FORWARD AND THEN HEARING APPROPRIATE CRITERIA.
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AND THEN IF, SO, THE CCRB MOVES IT FORWARD, SAYS, YES, A HEARING SHALL OCCUR, THEN THE CCRB SUBMITS THEIR FINDINGS TO CITY COUNCIL.AND THEN WHAT, THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNCIL AND CITY ADMINISTRATION TO DETERMINE WHAT THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE.
SO IF THERE WERE, IF THERE WAS NOT, IF, IF THERE WAS A-A-C-C-B OR CCC RRB RECOMMENDATION OF, OF SAY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OFFICER AIRED, UM, THEN, THEN THAT WOULD CIRCLE BACK AGAIN.
AND, AND I THINK THERE WOULD BE A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT WORKS WITH THE CONTRACTS.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE LAW DIRECTOR WOULD WEIGH IN.
UM, BUT THERE IS AN EXPECTATION THAT THEN I THINK THE ISSUE WOULD BE REVISITED IF THE CCRB DETERMINES THAT IT WAS NOT HANDLED APPROPRIATELY, THEN IT WOULD GO TO COUNSEL AND OR, AND JOHN AND BE THE ISSUE WOULD BE REVISITED.
SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS YET.
YEAH, THAT'S, SO THAT'S WHAT'S MY QUESTION WITH, SO THE CCRB FINDS THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT IN ALIGNMENT, IT'S VALID, IT'S A VALID COMPLAINT.
DOES IT THEN, COULD THAT THEN BE OVERTURNED OR WHAT HAPPENS? I THINK IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN ISSUE OF WHERE THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE TRAINING PROTOCOLS NEED TO BE CHANGED OR THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF OUTCOME OF, SO HOW DOES THIS SITUATION NOT OCCUR IN THE FUTURE IS PROBABLY WHERE, WHERE WE'RE HEADING AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU WERE, UM, WHEN YOU WERE DISCUSSING THE CREATION OF THIS BOARD, WHAT, WHAT WERE THE, WHAT WERE THE INTENDED OUTCOMES? THE INTENDED OUTCOMES IS, IF IT WAS FOUND THAT A OFFICER DID SOMETHING NEGLIGENT, THEN THE PROCESS WOULD BE FOLLOWED FOR THAT.
LIKE YOUR INTERNAL PROCESS, WHATEVER THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER RE WHATEVER WOULD COME OUT OF THAT, THE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS OR WHATEVER THAT IS WOULD OCCUR.
BUT THAT IT WOULD BE UPHELD WHATEVER THE CCRB COMES UP WITH.
SO WHAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IN THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT I HAVE FOUND ABOUT THIS BOARD IS WE DO NOT HAVE WRITTEN PROCEDURE.
WE HAVE A FLOW CHART, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE DETAILED WRITTEN PROCEDURES AND POLICIES FOR THIS GROUP.
SO I THINK THAT IS THE NEXT STEP, IS THAT, UM, LET STAFF DRAFT, UM, A SET OF POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT GET AT THIS AND PUT, PUT MORE SORT OF MEAT ON THE BONES AS FAR AS THE PROCESS.
UM, AND THEN I WOULD WANT THIS GROUP THEN TO WEIGH IN AND ULTIMATELY VOTE ON, ON THOSE PROCEDURES AND PROCESSES.
AND I DO, I MEAN, I, I'M COMING COMING IN A LITTLE BLIND ON THIS.
UM, 'CAUSE WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE FORMATION OF THE, OF THE CCRV AND IT, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS TO TAKE FOR THIS TO BE STOOD UP.
THANKFULLY WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ISSUE YET.
BUT THIS CERTAINLY IS NOW THAT WE HAVE A CORE OR A, UH, A FULL SLATE OF OF BOARD MEMBERS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR PROCESSES AND POLICIES ARE WELL DOCUMENTED, LOGICAL, AND, UM, RESULT IN THE INTENDED OUTCOME OF HOW THE, OF WHAT THE CCRB WAS, WAS FORMED FOR.
UH, I TAKE NO PRIDE OF AUTHORSHIP.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT, UM, STRONG FEELINGS ON HOW YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD FLOW WITHIN THIS, UM, KIND OF TEMPLATE PROCESS.
I, I ALSO RECOMMEND, UM, BECAUSE WE HAD A, A TASK GROUP THAT WORKED ON THIS.
SO FOR DIVERSITY COMMISSION MEMBERS, UM, AND ERIC STEVENS HEADED THAT UP, THAT HE WILL BE A GOOD RESOURCE OKAY.
WE HAVE A, UH, MEETING NEXT, UH, NEXT THURSDAY.
'CAUSE I'M ALSO THE STAFF LIAISON TO THAT.
SO THAT WILL PROB PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO ADD KIND OF THIS, THIS TOPIC TO THE AGENDA FOR NEXT THURSDAY MM-HMM
SO I GET A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT THE INTENDED OUTCOMES WERE.
UM, SO DURING THE INITIAL REVIEW, BACK TO THE INITIAL REVIEW, BECAUSE I'M ON THE PERSONNEL BOARDS OF APPEAL HERE FOR THE CITY OF HUB HEIGHTS, WE HAVEN'T BEEN SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE, THERE IS A SUNSHINE LAW, I THINK UNDER, UH, SECTION 1 22 POINT 22
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WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY MEET BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE INVESTIGATING AN EMPLOYEE.SO I FEEL LIKE WITH THE INITIAL REVIEW, WE CAN MEET BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND THE HEARING SHOULD BE PUBLIC.
BUT IF WE CAN JUST DO OUR RESEARCH AND THEN MAYBE, UM, COME BACK TO THAT.
I HONESTLY DON'T FEEL THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE, UM, AT THE, ESPECIALLY THE, UM, COMPLAINT COMPLAINANT AT THE INITIAL REVIEW.
UM, AS LONG AS THAT PASSES MUSTER WITH OUR LAW DIRECTOR.
YES, WE ARE PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT.
I, I, UNLESS I'M, DID YOU GUYS NO, THAT'S GOOD.
AND THEN I THINK SIMILAR TO THE PERSONNEL APPEALS BOARD, I KNOW THAT'S PERSONNEL.
IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, CONFIDENTIALITY ISSUE.
SO I WOULD PROBABLY FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS WE DO FOR THAT.
AND THEN I DO SEE, UM, I, I LOVE THE PROCESS, BUT EVERYTHING IS ALL WE HAD TO MEET 15 DAYS AFTER WE CONDUCT THIS AND THAT AND THAT.
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T MEET A QUORUM? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO IS THIS A NON QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD OR IS A QUASI IT WOULD BE.
UM, BECAUSE IF IT'S NONE, I BELIEVE WE CAN STILL MEET.
YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT WILL WE WANT TO MAKE A DETERMINATION IF WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, IS THE THING? WELL, THE INITIAL REVIEW IS NOT A HEARING, IT'S JUST A MEETING.
SO, UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY NOTICE FOR THAT.
UM, IT'S ALSO, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO REMOTE IF IT'S AN ISSUE OF SOMEBODY JUST CAN'T BE HERE.
SO I MEAN, IF WE WERE GONNA GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE WOULD GO BEHIND AND WE HAVE FULL TELE, YOU KNOW, FULL TEAMS ALL THAT BACK THERE.
UM, SO THERE'S SEVEN, SO WE'D NEED FOUR FOR A QUORUM.
UM, YEAH, I THINK WHAT WE, I, I'M JUST TALKING OUT LOUD, I THINK, UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT SOME KIND OF INTERNAL PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND THE 15 DAY DEADLINE.
'CAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT THE COMPLAINT TO GO MOOT JUST BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A QUORUM MET.
UM, SO LET ME, LET ME GO BACK AND, AND REVIEW THAT.
I WOULD HOPE TWO WEEKS WOULD BE ENOUGH TO GET FOUR OUT OF THE SEVEN TOGETHER.
UM, BUT SOMETIME, YOU KNOW, DURING, DEPENDING ON WHEN IT IS AND THE TIME OF YEAR SUMMER SESSIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND VACATIONS, THAT MIGHT BE, COULD BE A CHALLENGE.
YOU HAVE, UM, TWO INDIVIDUALS LISTED AS NON-VOTING MEMBERS AND I WAS WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT THE STAFF LIAISON SHOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED AS A THIRD NON-VOTING MEMBER.
THEY ARE THE LINCHPIN BETWEEN INTERNAL AFFAIRS LETTER THAT'S GONNA BE ISSUED TO US.
IT GOES THROUGH THE STAFF LIAISON.
IN ORDER TO GET TO US, THERE'S NO STAFF LIAISON LISTED AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE.
FROM WHAT I SEE HERE, MOST OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES, THE, THE STAFF LIAISON IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE, BUT BASICALLY IS THE STAFF RESOURCE TO THE COMMITTEE.
SO WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE, WE'LL CHIME IN WITH, YOU KNOW, TECHNICAL EXPERTISE OR PROCESS.
BUT WE HAVE TYPICALLY NO STANDING TO BE ON THE BOARD.
I'D HAVE TO ALSO REVIEW WHAT THE LEGISLATION SAID WHEN IT CREATED THIS BOARD THAT THE, THE SEVEN MEMBERS PLUS THE TWO NON-VOTING.
I KNOW THE TWO NON-VOTING BEING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE ARE SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT IN THE LEGISLATION.
UM, I'M NOT SHY, SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, OFFER MY, UH, SUGGESTION IF IT WERE IMPORTANT OR NECESSARY.
BUT I DON'T THINK ADDING A THIRD STAFF REALLY WOULD ACCOMPLISH A WHOLE LOT.
I THOUGHT THAT, I HAD READ THAT A GENTLEMAN NAMED JEFF ADAMS. JEFFREY ADAMS WAS SUPPOSED TO SERVE AS THAT LIAISON.
YEAH, WE, WE ASSIGN VARIOUS STAFF TO VARIOUS BOARDS.
UM, IT JUST, YEAH, IT JUST DEPENDS.
I'M ALSO THE STAFF LIAISON TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE I'M THE CITY PLANNER AS WELL AS THE, UM, UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
SO YOU ALL HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES.
SO YOU'LL ASSUME THAT RESPONSIBILITY THERE.
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YEAH, THAT IS MY INTENT.MR. RELL, CAN YOU, UM, EXPLAIN FOR THE BOARD THE, THE ROLE OF THE LIAISON? YEAH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL.
SO THE ROLE OF THE LIAISON IS TO, UM, KIND OF ACT AS THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FOR, FOR THE BOARD MORE OR LESS.
UM, SO I'LL PUT TOGETHER THE WORKING WITH THE CHAIRPERSON, UH, PUT TOGETHER THE AGENDA, THE MEETING NOTICE, MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF IS GETTING THE, UM, UH, THE MEETING NOTICES TO YOU, UH, AND THE, AND THE BOARD PACKET IN A TIMELY MANNER, UM, REMINDING YOU OF THE MEETING SO THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM, UM, IF THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A QUORUM WORK TO RESCHEDULE, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO BASICALLY JUST, UH, THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF, OF THE BOARD FOR THEIR, FOR THE COMPLAINT SUBMISSION PROCESS, THEY CAN, WHO ARE, WHO DID THEY EMAIL? AND THEN THE WRITTEN COMPLAINT ON THE CITY WEBSITE.
IS THAT VISIBLE? IT ISN'T YET, BUT IT WILL BE.
WHEN, WHEN WE FINALIZE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION, WE WILL, WE'LL PUT THIS UP ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO, AND I THINK THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE YOU COULD EITHER EMAIL FROM THE WEBSITE OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW, SOMEHOW FROM THE WEBSITE.
THE COMPLAINT WILL GET TO, TO MYSELF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT WE HAVE NOT SET THAT UP YET.
I THINK ONCE WE HAVE, ONCE WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROCESS AND THE PROCEDURES, WE WILL IMMEDIATELY, UM, GET THOSE INTAKE FORMS ON OUR, ON OUR WEBSITE SO THAT WE CAN START THAT.
BUT I THINK THE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROCESS, WE, THE OIL, WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROCESS, UM, I THINK IS, IS FIRST AND FOREMOST AND WHAT IS OUR TIMELINE OR ANTICIPATED TIMELINE TO GET THIS, EVERYTHING STOOD UP.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, I WILL, WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING NEXT MONTH NOW.
UM, AND SO I, YOU'LL HAVE DRAFT, I WOULD, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF MY SCHEDULE, WHAT WE GOT GOING ON.
UM, DRAFT PROCESSES PROBABLY WITHIN TWO AND A HALF TO THREE WEEKS.
SO PLENTY OF TIME BEFORE THE MEETING FOR YOU TO, TO REVIEW.
AND THEN WE CAN FLESH THEM OUT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE SHOULD BE DIRECTED THROUGH OUR CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR.
UH, YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AND THEN I TEND TO, UNLESS, UNLESS THERE'S SOME ODD QUESTION I WOULD COMMUNICATE WITH EVERYBODY THE ANSWER.
AND THEN I JUST HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION IN REGARDS TO MEMBERSHIP.
IT STATES THAT ALL ELECTOR MEMBERS OF THE CCRB SHALL BE REQUIRED TO ATTEND THE HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE DIVISION, CITIZEN POLICE ACADEMY WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF APPOINTMENT.
I'M NOT SURE IF I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEING.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABSENT UNDUE INFLUENCE.
SO THAT WAS PART OF THE, THE LEGISLATION THAT IS, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS, THAT WAS IN THE LEGISLATION.
UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, BUT I I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
UH, I THINK THE INTENT IS SO THAT YOU HAVE AS MEMBERS A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF POLICE POLICY AND PROCESSES.
AND SO YOU'RE NOT COMING IN COLD WHEN THERE IS A, A HEARING.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN.
IT'S MORE OF A THIS IS HOW WE DO THINGS AND THESE ARE THE, BUT DEPUTY CHIEF ASHLEY CAN TELL.
WE, UH, IT, IT IS, THERE'S NOT A SET SCHEDULE FOR THE CITIZENS, UH, POLICE ACADEMY.
BUT IF WE POST IT, IF WE GET ENOUGH INTEREST, WE HAVE THE ACADEMY, I BELIEVE IT'S SEVEN OR EIGHT WEEKS, ONE, ONE EVENING OUT OF EACH WEEK.
UM, AND YOU, YOU DO ANYTHING FROM LEARN DIFFERENT
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POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO, UM, GET TO KNOW MEMBERS OF ALL AREAS OF THE POLICE DIVISION, SWAT MEMBER CANINE, UM, UH, ADMINISTRATION.THEY'LL BE THERE THE FIRST NIGHT TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN LEARN A LOT.
ANYTHING, I MEAN TO INCLUDE TRAFFIC STOPS, THEY'LL TAKE YOU OUT ONE EVENING AND, AND, UH, CONDUCT TRAFFIC STOPS IN A TRAINING SETTING, UH, WITH YOU.
AND, UM, JUST SHOW YOU AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, UM, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DIFFERENT THINGS THE POLICE DIVISION DOES.
BUT YOU'RE WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR HUBER HEIGHTS? YES.
I'M THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS COMMANDER, IF YOU WILL.
SO WE, AS A BOARD, WE AREN'T PASSING JUDGMENT.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS REVIEW REVIEWING YOUR FINDINGS THAT HAS LED TO THE BOARD IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO WE AREN'T REALLY INTERACTING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OTHER THAN AS WE DO AS CITIZENS OF HUBER HEIGHTS, OHIO, OUR DAILY INTERACTIONS.
THAT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR WHAT WE'RE EXPECTED TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS BOARD.
OH, I, I JUST, THAT WAS AGAIN, THE INTENT.
UM, I I I THINK WE'RE HOPING, UH, TO CONSIDER NOT BEING A REQUIREMENT.
NO, I THINK I, YOU KNOW, UM, LET ME GO BACK AND REVIEW WHAT THE, WHAT THE CRITERIA FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT CAME ABOUT.
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT ABSTINENT BEING IN THE LEGISLATION, UM, I'M OKAY WITH NOT MAKING THAT A REQUIREMENT.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO ATTEND AT LEAST SOME OF IT SO THAT YOU, SO THAT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A SORT OF A BASE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE, THE DEPARTMENT OPERATES.
WE JUST DID A OVERALL CITY LEADERSHIP ACADEMY THAT WAS ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS AND, AND HIT THE HIGH LEVEL OF EVERY DEPARTMENT.
UH, AND THAT WAS WELL RECEIVED.
THIS WOULD GO, YOU KNOW, MUCH DEEPER INTO THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT I MISSED IT.
IT'S IN THE, UM, IT'S IN THE PACKET.
IT'S UNDER YOUR MIN MEMBERSHIP PACKAGE.
YOU CAN PASS THAT DOWN IF YOU DON'T MIND.
THAT WAS NEVER IN THE LEGISLATION TRYING TO LOOK AT IT.
I, I WILL SAY, WHEN I SAW THAT, IT SEEMED LIKE A, A KINDA A, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT COMMITMENT.
UM, SO MAYBE I, I'LL TALK WITH DEPUTY CHIEF.
MAYBE WE JUST, UH, SLIM THAT DOWN INTO, YOU KNOW, A TWO WEEK OR THREE WEEK KIND OF COURSE THAT HITS THE, THE HIGH POINTS OF THE ACTIONS OR INCIDENTS THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY ENCOUNTER BEING ON THIS BOARD.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND, IN MY CASE, I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
I'M HERE BECAUSE I REALLY LIKE HUBER HEIGHTS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN, UM, HAS BEEN EXCELLENT IN PERFORMING THEIR DUTIES AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
UM, I'VE TAKEN TICKETS TO CONCERTS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE THEIR SPOUSE TO A CONCERT.
WE BUY CRUMBLE COOKIES WHEN WE SEE POLICEMEN OUT THERE TRYING TO CATCH PEOPLE SPEEDING.
AND WE'LL DROP OFF CRUMBLE COOKIES TO THESE GUYS.
SO I THINK PROBABLY ALL OF US FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO OUR, MY NOT WANTING TO ATTEND THIS ISN'T BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE FAITH IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T WANNA ATTEND IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO COME UP LATER ON AND SAY THERE WAS UNDUE INFLUENCE BY REQUIRING THEM TO ATTEND THIS SPECIFIC THING.
I CONCUR WITH MR. ADAMS. YEAH.
WE JUST DON'T WANT ANYONE, NOT EVEN THE NEIGHBORS TO COME OVER AND BE LIKE, HEY, YOU GUYS ATTENDED THIS AND YOU'RE BEING BIASED.
SO I DON'T MIND ANY READING MATERIALS IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY I CAN READ UP ON THAT, BUT, UM, I CONCUR.
I DON'T THINK ATTENDING A ACADEMY FOR EIGHT WEEKS, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE CITY TELLING US, HEY, BE ON OUR SIDE SO WHEN A COMPLAINT COMES IN, YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
SO I WAS REVIEWING THE, THE BOARD INFORMATION.
THAT REQUIREMENT IS PART OF OUR INTERNAL
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POLICY, SO THAT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT WE AMEND.WELL, MY THOUGHT ON THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME IF IT'S REQUIRED OR NOT.
I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO KNOW BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA KNOW BOTH SIDES IN.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW IF YOU JUST KIND OF HAVE A, YOU KNOW, WELL, I SEE 'EM OUT THERE, I WAVE, I TAKE COOKIES, I'VE, I'VE TAKEN COOKIES AND TALK TO 'EM TOO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE DEPARTMENT AND EACH, EACH ASPECT OF IT, WHEN A COMPLAINT COMES IN, YOU HEAR THE COMPLAINT, BUT YOU ALSO KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
IT, IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE MORE FAIR BALANCE, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT BOTH SIDES AND THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OF ONE OF THE SIDES.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS BY READING THIS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE SIDE, YOU'RE BEING, IT GIVES THE APPEARANCE THAT RATHER THAN BEING A CITIZEN AND GIVEN YOUR OPINION ON WHAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS MAY HAVE FOUND, THAT WE'RE MOVING BEYOND THAT AND POSSIBLY GETTING TO THE POINT THAT WE THINK THAT WE'RE PASSING JUDGMENT.
AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE ALL PICKED, HANDPICKED BECAUSE WE REPRESENT A CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND ALTHOUGH VIEWING THIS IS GOOD, WE AREN'T PROVIDING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO WHOEVER FILES THAT COMPLAINT.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
OH,
WELL, I LOOKED AT IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL CITIZENS.
SO WE ALL HAVE OUR BACKGROUND.
NOT ALL OF US KNOW POLICEMEN KNOW THINGS ABOUT 'EM.
YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE NO EXPERIENCE AT ALL WHAT HAPPENS IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND MY NEPHEW RECENTLY BECOME A POLICEMAN AND I WAS REALLY SURPRISED AT SOME OF THE STUFF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND THINGS THAT CAME ABOUT.
SO I JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS KIND OF GOOD TO HAVE THAT PERSPECTIVE SO YOU CAN SEE BOTH.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY CITIZEN THAT FILES A COMPLAINT, YOU KNOW, YOU WE'RE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU, WE'RE GONNA DISMISS YOU.
BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO SEE THE OTHER SIDE TOO.
YOU NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE CLEARER PICTURE.
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU GO OUT AND YOU SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I RIDE WITH THESE POLICEMEN.
I KNOW THAT GUY AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT AT ALL.
IT'S KNOWING BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY A LITTLE BIT, HAVING A LITTLE MORE PERSPECTIVE ON IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE WHERE, YOU KNOW, SANS REQUIRED WHEN, UM, WHEN I WAS IN THE OTHER ACADEMY THAT WE DID, YOU KNOW, I SAW THAT AND I THOUGHT, OH, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE ON THIS BOARD.
THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR ME TO DO, TO BE IN, TAKE THAT POLICE ACADEMY THING.
JUST SO I HAVE THAT PERSPECTIVE OF IT.
SO THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY THOUGHT OF IT.
IT'S NOT TO UNDULY INFLUENCE YOU, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE ANY WORKSHOPS WE CAN ATTEND? SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT.
I THINK WE CAN PUT SOME, PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING, UM, NO OTHER COMMISSION OR BOARD THAT I'M AWARE OF.
DO WE IMPOSE AN EIGHT WEEK OBLIGATION, UM, ON YOU, ON VOLUNTEERS? SO I THINK THE, THE, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, UM, I THINK MAKING THIS OR MAYBE AN ABRIDGED VERSION OF THE POLICE ACADEMY AVAILABLE TO YOU MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
BUT MAYBE, I THINK MAYBE, YOU KNOW, LISTENING REQUIRING IT SEEMS LIKE A BRIDGE TOO FAR.
BECAUSE YOUR TIME IS VALUABLE TOO.
AND, AND THAT'S A LOT FOR, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEERS.
AND SO WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE AND REMEMBER HOW, WHY THIS CAME ABOUT.
IT WAS TO PRODUCE, UM, AN UNBIASED OPPORTUNITY FOR VISIBILITY TO AN ISSUE.
AND SO IF WE ARE SEEN AS PART OF THE POLICE, RIGHT? THEN PEOPLE WILL SAY, OH, WELL THEY'RE NOT SAFE FOR ME TO GO TO EITHER MM-HMM
AND SO IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT WE'RE UNBIASED.
SO I ABSOLUTELY GET UNDERSTAND THAT REQUIRED IS A STRONG WORD,
SO, BUT YEAH, ANY, I AGREE, ANY INFORMATION YOU COULD GIVE US, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
BUT I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO KEEP IT SEPARATE AND WE CAN MAKE THIS AVAILABLE.
FIRST POLICY HAS BEEN CHANGED.
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EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKED PRETTY GOOD TO ME.UM, LIKE I SAID, WE WILL, UM, WORK TO PUT TOGETHER, UM, A MUCH MORE DETAILED FLOW CHART, UM, DETERMINE THE VARIOUS DECISION, STEP CRITERIA, WHAT THE LAW DIRECTOR IS BASING THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON.
UH, AND I'LL TRY TO GET THAT TO YOU IN THE NEXT, UH, COUPLE WEEKS.
UM, IS THE, IS THERE, WHAT IS TODAY? TUESDAY? UH, SO THIS IS THE LAST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH.
THERE'S NO OTHER STANDING MEETINGS IN THIS ROOM.
UM, DOES THIS TIME WORK OUT GENERALLY WELL FOR EVERYBODY? MM-HMM
THEN WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE THIS, I'LL SET THE SCHEDULE AS THE LAST TUESDAY OR WHATEVER THE FOURTH OR FIFTH TUESDAY, WHATEVER WE ARE, UH, OF THE MONTH.
AND THEN WE WILL JUST CANCEL MEETINGS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
I THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON THIS 15 DAY, UM, REVIEW PROCESS.
BUT LET ME, UH, WORK WITH, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF ASHLEY, AND THEN ALSO HR AND OUR LAW DIRECTOR TO PUT SOME MORE FLESH ON THE, THESE POLICIES AND THEN GET SOMETHING BACK TO YOU, UM, IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS FOR, FOR REVIEW AND, AND MORE DISCUSSION NOW THAT WE HAVE A BOARD SET.
'CAUSE WE WANT YOU TO WEIGH IN ON, ON HOW WE, HOW THIS OPERATES.
UM, SO I GUESS MOVING DOWN ON THE AGENDA, THERE IS NO PENDING BUSINESS.
WE JUST, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEW BUSINESS, WHICH IS THE POLICIES.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
I KNOW THE STAFF HAVE ANYTHING ELSE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD NEED? NO.
THEN, UH, WE WILL, UM, TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN THE MEETING SECOND.