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I SHOULD CALL THE MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER
[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road October 14, 2025 6:00 P.M. ]
HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? ALRIGHT, MR. JOHNSON? HERE.
I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS AS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DAIS.
UH, THE ONLY, UH, REMARK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT UNDER PENDING BUSINESS, UH, CASE MC 25 18, THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED THAT THAT BE, UH, PULLED FROM THE AGENDA.
WHICH ONE IS THAT? UH, THE A BC SUPPLY, THE CASE THAT WAS TABLED, THE APPLICANT DOESN'T, DOES NO LONGER WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS COMM OR ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
UH, SWEARING THE WITNESSES I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
TO THE FOLLOWING NOTES, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
I ASK ANYONE COMING UP TO THE PODIUM THIS EVENING TO, UH, STATE THEIR NAME AND, UH, SPELL THEIR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
AS MR. SORE JUST MENTIONED, UH, UNDER PENDING BUSINESS, THAT MINOR CHANGE HAS BEEN, UH, DELETED.
FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A MAJOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT SIMS DEVELOPMENT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO INCREASE THE DENSITY FROM 74 UNITS TO 91 TOTAL UNITS.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT G WAY AND STATE ROUTE 2 0 1 MC 25 25.
AARON SORE AT CITY HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR, UH, THE GABLES AT HUBER HEIGHTS.
UH, THE REASON THAT THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE IS THAT THE APPLICANT IS, IS DESIRES TO INCREASE THE DENSITY FROM 74 UNITS TO 91 UNITS.
UH, BASICALLY BY MAKING THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
UH, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING ACTUALLY STAYS RELATIVELY, UH, SIMILAR.
UM, BUT THE BA THE CODE REQUIRES ANY INCREASE IN DENSITY TO BE A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THIS BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS INITIALLY APPROVED IN MARCH OF 22.
UH, THIS IS THE AREA IN QUESTION.
UH, THE, THERE ARE FIVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE, UH, ON THIS, UH, WITHIN THIS, UH, THIS AREA.
UH, THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE, UH, BEING INCREASED IN DENSITY.
UM, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE, BUT THE ACTUAL, UM, WIDTH OF THE BUILDINGS DOESN'T CHANGE.
UH, THEY ACTUALLY GET A, THEY GO GET HIGHER, UH, BUT THEY, UH, THEY GET A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW.
SO THE SETBACK BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINES AND THE BUILDING, UH, FOOTPRINT ACTUALLY GETS LARGER.
UH, SO THERE'LL BE GREATER SEPARATION BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, AND THE, THE BUILDING THAN THERE WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, UNDER THE APPROVED PLAN.
UH, THAT'S REALLY ONLY IMPORTANT FOR THE BUILDING, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, OF THE SITE, ALL OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS TO THE WEST, UH, BASICALLY BACK UP INTO A, A, A RAVINE, UH, DRAINAGE AREA.
BUT THERE ARE, UH, HOUSES TO THE NORTH OF THIS SITE, THEY WILL GAIN A GREATER SETBACK.
SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF WHAT WAS, UH, CONTEMPLATED IN 22 AND HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
UH, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS THIS THREE STORY, UH, VERSION AGAIN, FROM SORT OF THE LEFT TO RIGHT.
IT, UH, IT GROWS VERTICALLY, UH, BUT GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE SHALLOW.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REPLACE THOSE FIVE, TWO STORY BUILDINGS WITH FIVE, THREE STORY BUILDINGS.
THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS ABOUT 39 AND A HALF FEET TO THE TOP OF THE RIDGE.
THE TALLEST CURRENT BUILDING IS, UH, 33 FEET TO THE RIDGE.
SO THEY'RE GAINING, UH, ABOUT ME IN HEIGHT, UM, FROM ONE BUILDING TO THE OTHER.
UH, AND WHILE THEY ARE TALLER, THEY ARE A SETBACK, LIKE I SAID, FURTHER, UM, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, THE PARKING RATIO REMAINS,
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UH, THE SAME, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MAJOR CHANGE WITH NO CONDITIONS.ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? MS. VARGO? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS THREE STORY THING.
IS IT GOING TO BE MORE APARTMENTS, SEPARATE APARTMENTS ON THE THIRD FLOOR, OR IS IT GOING TO BE THREE STORIES FOR ONE UNIT? THREE STORIES FOR ONE UNIT.
THERE, THEY'RE, THERE ARE THREE STORY TOWN HOMES.
SO TO GET THE EXTRA NUMBERS, THEY'RE REDUCING THE WIDTH.
REDUCED THE WIDTH AND WENT AND WENT UP TO A THIRD FLOOR.
I WISH WE HAD THE PLANTS FOR THE OLD, UH, THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE.
DO YOU HAVE THAT? I HAVE THAT.
SO IT WAS BASICALLY TWO STORIES.
UM, SO YOU HAD A FIRST FLOOR AND THEN THERE WAS LIVING SPACE, UH, UNDER ROOF.
UH, SO THEY ESSENTIALLY JUST ADDED A STORY TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
AND THEN, SO INSTEAD OF HAVING, WHAT I NEED IS THE FLOOR PLAN, I GUESS.
OH, ON THE FIRST FLOOR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIVING ROOM AREA.
AND WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THAT THIRD FLOOR? IS THAT THE BEDROOMS? I, SO I ASSUME ADDITIONAL BEDROOMS? UM, YEAH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE THOUGH FOR, FOR THOSE KIND OF DETAILS.
AND, UM, IN THIS RENDERING, IT APPEARS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A ONE CAR GARAGE FOR EACH UNIT? THAT'S CORRECT.
ALTHOUGH IT DOES SAY THAT'S A CONCEPT.
AND, AND WHEN I WENT OUT THERE, THE, THE UNITS THAT THEY HAVE LEADING UP TO THIS AREA ARE TWO, TWO CAR GARAGE.
UM, YEAH, BUT THEY ALL HAVE A GARAGE.
THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER PRODUCT THAT SIMS IS BUILDING, UM, THROUGHOUT, SORT OF THROUGHOUT THE REGION.
UH, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS THIS GOING TO BE ONE ENTRANCE IN AND ONE ENTRANCE OUT AS IT IS NOW? YEAH, THAT DOES NOT CHANGE.
THE THING THAT'S, AND THAT'S OKAY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? YES.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE OKAY WITH, YEAH, THERE'S AN EMERGENCY EXIT, UM, OR ENTRANCE AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC TO THE SOUTH UHHUH
THAT'S, THAT REMAINS, THAT WILL REMAIN CORRECT, BUT, BUT TO GO INTO THE AREA WHERE THE NEW HOME, WHERE THE OTHER HOMES ARE, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE, IT DOES, AND THAT WAS ALWAYS PART OF THE VAN.
PHASE ONE HAS ALREADY LARGELY BEEN CONSTRUCTED ON THE EAST SIDE THAT YOU DROVE INTO.
UM, BUT YEAH, THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, UH, ACCESS AT THE SOUTH END OF THAT BULB OF THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PLANNED.
HAVE WE DETERMINED, UM, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT, THAT THIS WILL PROBABLY HAVE? I MEAN, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE, THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS LIVING THERE.
I CAN ASK THE, I THE, UH, YEAH, UH, THE BUILDER.
SO THE, THE, YEAH, THE DISTANCE FROM THE FRONT TO THE STREET IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER NOW, WHERE IT WASN'T BEFORE A A LITTLE BIT.
SO, UM, SO THE WIDTH FROM SIDE TO SIDE, THE BUILDINGS REMAINS UNCHANGED.
COULD YOU SLIDE BACK SO THAT THERE'S PARKING, UH, PARKING IN THE FRONT, THE DEPTH BETWEEN THE REAR PROPERTY LINE AND THE STRUCTURE GROWS.
SO THERE IS MORE OF A SETBACK, PARTICULARLY THIS BUILDING WHERE THE, THE HOMES TO THE NORTH.
BUT THIS IS ALL WOODED RAVINE.
THIS IS DRAIN, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE FOR REALLY CARRIAGE TRAILS THAT HAVE BEEN HEADS OVER TO, UH, THE PARK.
THERE IS A TREE LINE THERE NOW.
BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T STARTED ANYTHING, WILL, WILL THOSE TREES ALL COME DOWN? SO I HAVEN'T BEEN BACK THERE FOR WHAT, HOW THE GRADING THAT THEY'VE DONE, UH, ALL OF THE TREES THAT ARE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY LINE WILL REMAIN AS IS.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE BASED ON WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
YEAH, I SAW, YEAH, I SAW THAT.
WELL THIS, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS WAY OFF THE ROAD.
AND WHEN I SAY THE ROAD, I'M TALKING ABOUT BRAND PIKE.
IT'S AS FAR BACK AS YOU CAN GET.
BUT IT, BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME RIGHT NOW IS THE VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
UH, WELL, THEY'RE ADDING 17 UNITS, WHICH IS A, A, A MINOR AMOUNT OF,
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OF ADDITIONAL UNITS.IT'S GOING FROM, I'M GOING, THEY WERE INCREASING FROM, FROM 74, 74 TO 91.
SO 17 UNITS, SO 90 ONE'S A LOT.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S 17 MORE THAN, WHAT WAS I, EVEN IF IT WAS ONE CAR PER UNIT THAT'S 91 EXTRA VEHICLES, UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING.
SO IT WAS PLANNED FOR 74 VEHICLES, PLANNING FOR 74.
THERE WERE GONNA BE ORIGINALLY ONE.
AND SO THERE WILL BE THAT MANY THAT HAVE NO CARS.
SO THERE WAS ORIGINALLY 74 UNITS THAT WERE APPROVED.
91 ARE BEING THE, THE, WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS AN ADDITIONAL 17 UHHUH.
SO AN ADDITIONAL 17 VEHICLES ON THIS IS I MINIMAL, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE 74 YET.
SO IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY 91 MORE SO.
SO THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WERE THAT WERE MADE, WERE, WERE BASED ON 74 VEHICLES.
UM, ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 17 OVER A SPAN OF 24 HOURS IS, IS INCONSEQUENTIAL TO THE WAY THAT THAT AREA WILL FUNCTION.
I LIKE THE, THE FACT THAT IT'S WAY, WAY BACK OFF OF BRAD PIKE IS, IS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS AESTHETICS GO, UH, IT ALL SEEMS TO WORK OUT.
I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE THAT THIRD FLOOR WAS WERE ADDED UNITS.
THEY'RE JUST GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? MY NAME IS ROBBI SIMS, R-O-B-I-S-I-M-M-S.
UM, JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR HEARING THIS CASE TONIGHT.
UM, A WHILE AGO, THIS, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR SITE WAS ZONED UP TO 113, UM, HOMES.
UH, WE GOT APPROVAL FOR 74 HOMES AND WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR 91, UH, THIS EVENING.
UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR, IT'S A DIVERSITY OF FLOOR PLANS.
UM, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MS. VARGO, UM, THAT ALL OF IT'LL HAVE TWO CAR ATTACHED GARAGES.
IT JUST LOOKS LIKE ONE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S A TANDEM TWO CAR GARAGE.
EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NARROWING THE THING, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE A TWO CAR GARAGE FOR EVERY UNIT? YES, MA'AM.
AND THEN WE ARE NOT CUTTING ANY MORE TREES DOWN THAT ALL, EVERYTHING THAT IS, IS ALL THE TREES THAT ARE DOWN NEED TO BE DOWN.
SO WE ARE NOT CUTTING DOWN ANY MORE TREES.
AND THERE'S ALSO A 25TH DRIVEWAY FOR EVERY SINGLE HOME.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE TWO CARS AND ESSENTIALLY HAVE ONE MORE SPOT AS WELL ON YOUR DRIVEWAY.
IN, IN ADDITION TO THE TWO THAT WILL BE IN YOUR OWN.
I, BUT IF YOU HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE, WOULDN'T YOU HAVE A TWO CAR DRIVEWAY THAT YOU COULD FIT TWO CARS THERE? SO THERE'LL, THERE'LL BE A SINGLE ONE THAT'D BE 20 FEET, UH, LONG.
NO, BECAUSE IT'S A SINGLE CAR.
I CAN'T, YEAH, IT'S A SINGLE, I CAN'T PICTURE THAT.
IT'S ABOUT, IT'S, I, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DIMENSIONS, BUT IT'S A SINGLE CAR GARAGE DOOR OPENER.
UM, SO YOU CAN PULL ONE CAR IN AFTER THE OTHER UHHUH THAT LEAVES YOU.
OH, SO THEY'RE BACK TO BACK, CORRECT.
SO IT'S A ONE CAR GARAGE DOOR, CORRECT? YES.
AND A ONE CAR LEADING INTO THE GARAGE.
AND WE'RE OPEN TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TOO THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WILL THE, UH, 17 ADDITIONAL UNITS, WILL THEY BE LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE? UH, YES.
THEY WILL BE LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE.
OUR MODEL RIGHT NOW IS 2094 SQUARE FEET, AND THE MARKET IS TELLING US THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGES NEED TO BE LOWER.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS.
UM, WHAT WAS THE INITIAL NUMBER YOU THREW OUT THERE THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT? I, I BELIEVE IT WAS 113 THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE RESERVES OF FAIRWAYS, THE ENTIRE THING.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT STUCK WITH ME FOR A WHILE.
AND SO THREE YEARS AGO WE WANTED TO BE AT 74.
SO IS THAT A NUMBER THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO ATTAIN IN THE FUTURE? NO, I THINK THIS WOULD BE JUST FINE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE HEARING? ONE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? SIMS DEVELOPMENT FOR APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE? PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT GABLE'S WAY AND STATE ROUTE 2 0 1 CASE MC 25 25 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER 2ND, 2025.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
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SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MS. VARGO PASS.UM, COULD I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? TOO LATE FOR THAT? SURE.
I NOTICED THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF VACANT UNITS THERE THAT YOU'RE STILL SELLING WHATEVER, WHAT YOU LAST BUILT.
WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THOSE TO BE GONE? SO, I MEAN, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU RENTING THOSE AS QUICK AS YOU BILL THEM? ARE YOU SITTING THERE FOR A LONG TIME OR ARE WE APPROVING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA SIT THERE AND NOT SELL? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
NO, WE, WE WORK EVERY DAY TO TRY AND SELL HOMES, UM, IN HUBER HEIGHTS, UHHUH
SO, UM, THE MARKET, IT'S NO SECRET.
IT'S A LITTLE SLOW RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO, I UNDERSTAND IT'S MARKET DRIVEN, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHAT IS THE MARKET NOW AND WHAT ARE YOU BASING YOUR BUSINESS PLAN ON? THE, THE, THE LOCAL MARKET? UM, THE LOCAL MARKET IS WANTING SMALLER HOMES, UHHUH.
UM, SO WE ARE, WE'RE, WE WANT TO BUILD SMALLER HOMES.
AND, UH, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO START BUILDING, UH, TO START FILLING ONCE THESE ARE BUILT? THAT WOULD BE IN 26, IS IT? YES.
WE STILL HAVE TWO MORE BUILDINGS TO BUILD IN OUR FIRST PHASE, UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO START PHASE TWO WITH THIS APPROVAL TONIGHT.
UM, ALL THE WORKINGS IN OUR WORKINGS TO MAKE THIS WORK AND HOPEFULLY DEVELOP IT AT THE END OF, OF 2026 AND DELIVER HOMES IN 2027.
AND, AND, AND RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE MARKET IS, YOUR PLAN IS THAT THEY WILL START SELLING OH, YES.
EVEN BEFORE THEY'RE FINISHED, MAYBE YES.
INTEREST THAT PEOPLE WILL COME IN AND CHOOSE THEIR OWN COLORS OR WHATEVER.
AND WE WENT AHEAD AND, AND FINISHED ABOUT SIX HOMES AS WELL AS A BUILDER JUST TO FINISH A SPEC HOME.
AND WE FIND THAT IN THIS MARKET, PEOPLE ARE BUYING FINISHED SPEC HOMES RATHER THAN WANTING TO WAIT THREE MONTHS AND PICK OUT THEIR SELECTIONS.
AND MR. SIMS, I'M VERY PLEASED YOU'RE IN HUBER HEIGHTS AND I THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD FIT.
UM, I WORRY ABOUT THE MARKET AND I WORRY ABOUT THE HOMES SITTING THERE AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, BUT I THINK MAYBE THAT'S BEEN HANDLED.
UM, I THINK BECAUSE OF YOUR REPUTATION.
WHY DON'T, JUST, WHY DON'T YOU REITERATE THAT MR. SCHAPER HAS MOVED, UH, THE MOTION.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? OKAY.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? EXCUSE ME.
UH, WE WILL MOVE THIS ON FOR CITY, UH, COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
AND THEN, UM, THAT WILL BE THE LAST STEP.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, THE APPLICANT, DUBLIN SEVEN IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW IRISH PUB THEMED RESTAURANT.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 6,900 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, BDP 25 23.
SO THE SITE IN QUESTION IS JUST UNDER FOUR ACRES, A ZONE PLANNED, UH, EMPLOYMENT PARK.
MOST OF THE ROWS AREA, UH, IS, IS ZONED.
THIS, UH, THE ADJACENT LANDS ARE PLANNED MIXED USE, UH, AND ALSO PEP AS YOU MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT, UH, DESIRES TO CONSTRUCT AN IRISH, UH, PUB THEMED RESTAURANT.
SO THIS IS THE SITE IN QUESTION.
IT'S, UH, DIRECTLY EAST OF THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER.
UH, IT WAS BUILT AS A PAD, UH, FOR, UH, A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR, UH, FOR ENTERTAINMENT RESTAURANT TYPE OF USES.
UH, TO THE EAST OF THAT IS TJ CHU'S.
TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE IS THE, UH, TRUE HOTEL RIGHT ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RE PLATTING THIS LAND.
SO THIS, UH, THIS SITE PLAN REC, UM, REFLECTS THE OLD, UH, LAYOUT OF THE ROADS, BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST DEDICATING, UM, THE EXISTING ROADWAY AS AS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN WILL NOT CHANGE, UM, ONCE, UH, IF IT'S IS APPROVED.
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THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.YOU, YOU'LL, UM, ENTER OFF OF, UH, ONE OF THE TWO PUBLIC ROADS THAT WILL, THAT WE HAVE YET TO, TO NAME.
UH, THE RESTAURANT IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE.
PARKING, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE, UH, THERE IS RESTAURANT AND THEN SEASONAL BEER GARDEN, UH, AS WELL.
THIS IS THE, UH, EAST AND, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE EAST AND THE WEST ELEVATIONS.
SO THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, UH, ENTERING INTO THE PARKING LOT.
UH, PARTICULARLY THE, UH, THE EAST ELEVATION.
WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD IS THE IMAGE ON THE SOUTH.
SO IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE BUILDING, UH, WITH A MIXTURE OF, OF STONE GLASS AND, AND OTHER MATERIALS.
UM, THEY, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A SIGN PACKAGE.
UM, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE SIGN PACKAGE AT THIS MOMENT SINCE THIS IS JUST A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WE'LL STILL NEED TO COME IN THROUGH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH LANDSCAPING AND SUCH.
UH, THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAD WITH THE, WITH THE SIGNAGE, UM, THE, THE WALL SIGNS ARE, ARE, ARE WELL DONE.
THEY'RE IN PROPORTION TO THE BUILDING.
UH, SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT I STILL NEED TO WORK, UH, THROUGH WITH THE APPLICANT IS THE, UH, THE ROOF SIGN, UM, THAT IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
UH, IT APPEARS IT'S AN INTERNALLY LIT ROOF SIGN.
OUR CODE DOESN'T PER, UH, PERMIT ROOF SIGNS.
UM, REALLY BECAUSE IT'S A PRODUCT OF ITS TIME.
THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING INHERENTLY WRONG WITH ROOF SIGNS.
UM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING OUR CODE DOESN'T PERMIT.
THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS BOARD TO, TO PERMIT THEM SINCE IT ISN'T A PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE ONLY CONCERN THAT, THAT I WOULD HAVE ON THE SIGN IS, UM, HOW IT'S ILLUMINATED AND HOW IT AFFECTS THE, UH, THE GUESTS AT THE HOTEL.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY DETAIL THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT, UH, BUT IS NOT PART OF THIS BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, THE, UH, RESTAURANT IS 70, OR EXCUSE ME, 7,000, UH, SQUARE FEET, UM, WITH, UH, SEATING FOR APPROXIMATELY 200 PATRONS.
AND THEN ANOTHER SEASONAL CAPACITY IN THE BEER GARDEN OF 200, UH, PATRONS.
UH, SO AS FAR AS STAFF ANALYSIS, THE RETAIL USES ARE, UH, PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT.
UH, THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES A 10 FOOT PARKING SETBACK.
UH, THE FRONT PARKING SETBACK WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 20 FEET, UH, THROUGH THE, THE NEW REPA UH, PLAT.
THE EAST PARKING SETBACK IS APPROXIMATELY 15 FEET, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH CODE.
UH, THE ZONING CODE ALSO REQUIRES A 50 FOOT FRONT BUILDING SETBACK, UH, AND A 15 FOOT SIDE YARD.
THE CURRENT AND, AND FUTURE FRONT BUILDING SETBACK IS 62 FEET, AND THE SIDE YARD IS APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET, ALSO CONSISTENT WITH CODE.
THE PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHT IS 26 FEET, WHICH IS WELL BELOW THE, THE 60 FEET PERMITTED BY BY OUR CODE.
THE SITE PLAN ILLUSTRATES 80 PARKING SPACES.
UM, I WOULD SAY ON THE RESTAURANT SIDE, OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE EXCESSIVE.
UM, OUR CODE WOULD REQUIRE 160 PARKING SPACES BASED ON THE, UH, ONE SPACE PER TWO SEATS AND ONE SPACE PER TWO EMPLOYEES.
STAFF FEELS THAT GIVEN THE PROXIMITY TO THE ROWS AND THE 1300 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS SITE, THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE PARKING, UH, IN THE AREA.
AND, UM, WE DON'T SEE A NEED FOR THE, UH, THE DUBLIN, UH, SEVEN TO ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THIS SITE.
THE BUILDING MATERIALS ILLUSTRATE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF STONE VENEER, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR, UH, CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, I TALKED ABOUT THE SIGNAGE.
UM, THE MAIN BUILDING HAS, UH, WALL SIGNS, THE TOTAL ABOUT 215 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND, AND STAFF DOES SUPPORT THOSE MAIN BUILDING SIGNS, UH, AND WALL SIGNS AS DESIGNED.
WE JUST WANT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE ROOF SIGN, WHICH WE'LL BRING BACK AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I HAVE THESE SLIDES OUT OF A SEQUENCE.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, A LANDSCAPING PLAN AND A LIGHTING PLAN HAD NOT BEEN PROVIDED, BUT THOSE WILL BE REVIEWED DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE.
UH, SO IT IS THE STAFF'S OPINION THAT SECTION 11 71 0 6 CAN BE MET, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS SUBMITTED.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE NO CONDITIONS, UH, FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION.
SO THIS PLANNING COMMISSION CAN, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH OR WITHOUT CONDITIONS, RECOMMEND DENIAL OR TABLE THE APPLICATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. VARGO,
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WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ON THE NINTH THAT THE ROSE HAS A CONCERT? WELL, NOW WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PARK? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, EVEN IF IT, THE ROSE IS SOLD OUT, PEOPLE ARE PARKING OVER THERE IN THAT GRASSY AREA.UM, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WOULD BE A NUMBER OF, UM, PATRONS THAT ARE GOING BOTH TO THE ROWS AND THE DUBLIN SEVEN ON, ON THE 36 SHOW NIGHTS.
THERE'S REALLY NOT, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF, OF A, OF A RESTAURANT SEASON, THERE AREN'T THAT MANY SHOWS.
THERE'S ABOUT 36 TO 40 PER SEASON.
SO WE THINK WE CAN MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS WITH THAT ON THOSE SHOW NIGHTS.
I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A DUAL DRAW.
SA THE SAME WAY WITH, UM, WARPED WING ALSO DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH PARKING AS THE CODE REQUIRES, AND THEY MAKE IT WORK ON THE WEST SIDE.
A AGAIN, WITH ALL OF THE PARKING THAT'S THERE, WE, WE DID NOT WANT TO SEE THIS SITE, UH, CHEWED UP WITH PARKING.
THAT'S GONNA REMAIN UNUSED MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE'VE GOT A THOUSAND SPACES.
BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT, ON THE NIGHTS THAT THE ROSE PEOPLE HAVE TICKETS AND THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK.
I THINK WE WILL, WE WILL MANAGE THAT.
I DON'T THINK THIS SITE'S GONNA ADD AN ISSUE.
HOW CAN YOU TELL, HAS THE, UH, APPLICANT INDICATED WHAT, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT? SO WE, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, EXCESS SPACE THAT WE, WE LAY DOWN GRAVEL FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL FOR, FOR EMPLOYEES.
THE NEXT CASE THAT WE'RE HAVING, UH, IS TALKING ABOUT AN INDOOR FACILITY ON, BASICALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET THAT WE CAN MOVE EMPLOYEE PARKING OVER TO THERE.
THE MYERS PARKING LOT, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS TWO THIRDS EMPTY EXCEPT FOR CHRISTMAS EVE.
UH, SO THERE IS ADEQUATE PARKING IN THIS AREA TO BE MANAGED.
IS THERE A SIDEWALK FROM MYERS OVER TO THIS AREA? UH, NOT YET.
IS THERE ONE PLANNED? THERE IS ONE PLAN THAT WE WE'RE, WE'RE BRINGING BIKE PATH AND, AND TRAILS THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, BUT NOT FOR A WHILE.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 MONTHS.
AND THIS WILL BE IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
IS THERE ANY VACANT LAND THAT COULD BE USED AS PARKING LOT? OR IS, IS THIS GOING TO TAKE UP EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE? SO THERE IS POTENTIALLY VACANT LAND THAT, I WOULDN'T CALL IT VACANT LAND.
THERE IS A, A SPOT BELOW, UH, THE RESTAURANT THAT, UH, COULD BE USED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING.
YOU WOULD GET 40 SPACES AT THE MOST.
AGAIN, 800 SPACES NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
I THINK PARKING, UH, UNTIL THAT PROBLEM IS RESOLVED, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN SUPPORT THIS ONLY BECAUSE OF THE NIGHT THE, UH, I'VE BEEN THERE WHEN, WHEN THE ROSE IS JUST AT CAPACITY AND PEOPLE ARE ALREADY PARKING IN THE GRASS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS BUILDING.
SO I, I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IF THEY CAN'T COME UP WITH SOME OTHER PARKING AREA OR SOME OTHER PLAN.
UM, DOES THE HOTEL OWN ANY PARKING EXCEPT AROUND THE BUILDING THEY OWN? WELL, JUST WHAT'S, UH, AROUND YEAH.
THE PERIMETER OF THEIR BUILDING, UH, SOUTH OF THIS.
AND HAVE THEY, UM, MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO USE THEIR PARKING LOT?
THE, THE, THE HOTEL FEELS A LITTLE LONELY WHERE THEY ARE.
NO, THE, THE BEST AREA I SEE IS, IS, UH, MYERS 'CAUSE THAT PARKING LOT'S CERTAINLY NOT USED IN THAT, BUT, BUT GETTING THERE AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, THE, THE DETENTION AREA FOR THIS, UH, SO THAT DETENTION AREA, WAY BACK WHEN MEYER SOLD ALL THIS LAND FOR THE ROSE.
UH, AND THERE ARE AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE WITH MEYER THAT THEY, THAT MEYER NEEDS TO APPROVE THE DETENTION, UM, PLAN, WHICH, UH, ALSO GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PARKING, UH, DISCUSSIONS THERE.
WE WERE ALSO HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH MEYER ABOUT IMPROVING THE, UH, WEST, WEST ENTRANCE SO THAT THERE'S NORTHBOUND TURN LANE.
UH, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN ONLY TURN RIGHT OUT OF, UH, MEYER.
SO WE WERE HAVING ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH MEYER ABOUT IMPROVING THIS, THIS WHOLE AREA.
I KNOW WE HAVE A, A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH MEYER AND, AND THEY TALKED
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TO US AND I THINK THEY WOULD BE COOPERATIVE.BUT I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH, WITH, UH, IF WE, EVEN IF WE COULD USE THEIR PARKING LOT, THERE'S NO ACCESS GET FROM ONE, FROM THEIR PARKING LOT OVER TO THIS POTENTIAL AREA ON NIGHTS ONLY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM, EXCEPT ON NIGHTS THAT WE HAVE A CONCERT AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT OUR CONCERT PEOPLE TO NOT HAVE A PLACE TO PARK.
SO THE ROSE MANAGEMENT HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH US LOCK AND STEP FROM, FROM DAY ONE.
THEY'VE, THEY HAVE NEVER MENTIONED THAT THEY THINK THIS WOULD BE A PROBLEM AT ALL.
BUT SEE, WHEN YOU BUY A TICKET TO THE ROSE, THAT INCLUDES YOUR PARKING, THAT YOU'RE TELLING THEM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PLACE FOR YOU TO PARK MM-HMM
AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF WE DON'T HAVE, WELL, IF EVERYBODY ARRIVED INDIVIDUALLY WITHIN THEIR OWN CARS AND DIDN'T CARPOOL, WE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM THERE ANYWAY.
A LOT OF OUR PEOPLE COME FROM OUT OF TOWN.
WE, WE DON'T THINK THAT PARKING IS GONNA BE A CHALLENGE HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I, I JUST HAVE ONE OUTTA CURIOSITY.
AARON, I KNOW THIS IS GONNA BE REVISITED DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THE ROOFTOP SIGN MM-HMM
YOU SAID IT MAY BE A, UH, AN ISSUE FOR THE HOTEL.
IS THE, THE IDEA FOR THAT TO BE SEEN BY I 70? I THINK IT'S THE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING ELEMENT.
UM, I THINK IT'LL BE DIFFICULT TO, I DON'T THINK IT'S TALL.
BUT IT IS AN INTERESTING ELEMENT.
AGAIN, OUR CODE DOESN'T ALLOW 'EM, UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD REVISIT WITH THE NEW, THE NEW CODE.
'CAUSE IT DOES PROVIDE SOME CREATIVITY.
UM, THIS BOARD AT, SINCE IT IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, CAN ALLOW THEM, UM, WE HAD THE CONVERSATION ONCE WITH, UH, THE POOL KNICKERBOCKER KNICKERBOCKER POOL, SAME ISSUE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A PLANNED DEVELOPED AREA.
SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF, UH, LEEWAY.
UM, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE LANDSCAPING AND THE LIGHTING, UH, IN THE, UH, IN THE NEXT, UH, NOT THE BASIC, BUT THE, THE OTHER PLAN, UHHUH
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD ALSO ADDRESS THE SIGNED ISSUES AT THAT TIME? YES.
I WAS JUST RATHER THAN APPROVING IT NOW.
I'M NOT ASKING THAT THE SIGNS BE APPROVED, UM, DURING THIS PROCESS.
I'M JUST MAKING YOU AWARE OF, OF THE, OF THE ISSUE.
BUT YOU HAD, I THINK I SAW ON HERE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THIS PASS WITH NO CONDITIONS AND I THINK ADDING THE SIGN WOULD BE A CONDITION.
WELL, AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION, I SAY LANDSCAPING AND SIGNAGE WILL BE REVIEWED THROUGH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING.
I'M, I'M SPECIFICALLY CALLING OUT LANDSCAPING AND SIGNAGE.
LIGHTING WASN'T PROVIDED EITHER.
SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER THING THAT, THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
BUT AS FAR AS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, REALLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THE USE IN THE, AND THE SITE LAYOUT.
I, I THINK I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE SIGN LONG, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BASIC PLAN NOW AND NOT, AND NOT NOT APPROVE IT.
UH, LOOK AT IT WITH THE LANDSCAPING.
THE LIGHTING AND THE SIGNAGE, WHICH WE WILL DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THAT WAY, BECAUSE THEY REALLY FUNCTION AS A PACKAGE FROM A AESTHETIC PERSPECTIVE.
MR. SCHAPER, I JUST WANTED TO AGREE WITH YOU, MR. RELL, THAT ON NICE.
I I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE GOING TO THE CONCERT ARE GONNA TRY TO GO TO THE DUBLIN SEVEN.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE NON-CON GOAL GOING TO THE DUBLIN SEVEN THAT NIGHT.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE OUR CONCERT PEOPLE GOING.
SO I DO NOT ENVISION A PROBLEM WITH PARKING, JUST LIKE THERE'S NOT BEEN A PROBLEM WITH PARKING OVER AT WARPED WING.
SO I I DON'T THINK PARKING IS AN ISSUE AT ALL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK OR FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
UH, UH, MY WIFE AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF DUBLIN SEVEN.
AND WE ARE, UH, LOOKING VERY MUCH FORWARD TO, UH, COMING TO HUBER HEIGHTS.
SHE'S A 1990 GRAD FROM HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO BE BRINGING THIS, UH, BRINGING OUR PROJECT.
SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR 27 YEARS.
UH, BRINGING IT HOME, UH, TO HUB HEIGHTS IS OUR SECOND LOCATION.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
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MS. VARGO, UM, I'VE BEEN IN OPERATION IN DOWNTOWN DAYTON FOR 27 YEARS.AND TRUST ME, PARKING IS A THING.
SO YOU ARE CONNECTED TO DUBLIN PUB? YES, YES.
I, I OWN THE D ONE PUB AND HAVE, UH, BEEN THE OWNER FOR 27 YEARS.
I CREATED IT AND ORIGINATED IT.
UH, I ALSO USED TO WORK FOR GREATER DAYTON CONSTRUCTION, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, WITH ZONING AND PLANNING MEETINGS AND LAYING THINGS OUT AND GETTING PARKING AND MAKING IT ALL WORK OUT.
I CAN TELL YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT SHEER OCCUPANCY, EVEN MY OCCUPANCY DOWNTOWN, I HAVE A OCCUPANCY FOR 227 PEOPLE PLUS ANOTHER A HUNDRED PEOPLE OUTSIDE.
UM, WE RARELY EVER HIT TOTAL OCCUPANCY ST.
PATRICK'S DAY AND MAYBE ONE OR TWO OTHER EVENTS OUTTA THE YEAR.
UM, AS FAR AS PARKING GOES, IT IS ALWAYS A SHARED COMBINED PARKING AREA.
BUT ONE THING THAT WE DO PLAN ON DOING IS WE PLAN ON PEOPLE GOING TO CONCERTS.
ACTUALLY COMING TO OUR PLACE AND STAYING IN OUR PARKING LOT.
WE PLAN ON HAVING A LITTLE, UH, GOLF CART SHUTTLE, AND WE'RE GONNA SHUTTLE PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH AND HELP PEOPLE GET TO, UH, SAFELY TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE ROWS.
SO WE PLAN ON WORKING WITH THE ROWS AND USING SOME OF OUR PARKING FOR, FOR THOSE, UH, EXPERIENCES.
UM, SO, AND AS FAR AS THE SIGN GOES, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, UM, THE, THE SOUTH FACING SIGN IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY WANTED THE VISUAL PEEL OF THAT SIGN SO WE CAN LOOK TOWARDS THE, THE HOTEL.
UH, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT ACTUALLY FROM SEVEN EITHER.
'CAUSE THERE'S SOME TREES OVER THERE THAT I'VE DROVE DRIVEN PAST THAT ABOUT A THOUSAND TIMES JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, CAN YOU SEE IT? WHAT CAN YOU SEE? AND, UM, SO I'M NOT, BUT THE, BUT THE, THE DESIGN ELEMENT OF IT WAS, IT'S GONNA LOOK AWESOME.
AND WE WANTED, UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE HOTEL AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S AROUND THAT BACKSIDE TO BE ABLE TO SEE, UH, THE BEER GARDEN AND, UH, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING.
UMM, TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I'M MISSING.
ANYWAYS, UH, ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MS. VARGO, WHAT DOES THE SEVEN STAND FOR?
SO, UM, WE'VE HAD THE DUBLIN PUB FOR 27 YEARS.
I'LL TRY AND MAKE THIS A SHORT VERSION OF THIS STORY.
UM, WE FOUND THAT THE WORD PUB HAS HINDERED US IN SOME OF OUR BUSINESS.
UH, UH, GOING FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS GOT THE WARRIOR CLASSIC, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT, UH, A LOT OF GREAT, UH, UM, UH, FAMILY ATHLETIC EVENTS IN THIS AREA.
AND SOMETIMES THE WORD PUB KIND OF HINDERS PEOPLE FROM GOING TO A PLACE, UH, TO GO WITH THEIR FAMILY.
IT DOESN'T ALL TIME, BUT WE'RE ALSO DOWNTOWN DAYTON, SO WE STRUGGLE WITH THAT.
THE DUBLIN PUB IS ALSO A NAME THAT IS, UH, UH, THERE'S OTHER PUBS IN THE COUNTRY THAT ARE NAMED DUBLIN PUB.
SO WE KNEW THAT OUR SECOND LOCATION HAD TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
THE DUBLIN SEVEN CAME FROM ONE DAY.
OUR CULTURE IS ABOUT IRISH CULTURE.
IT'S ABOUT VINCENT OF GUINNESS.
IT'S ABOUT IRISH WHISKEY, AND IT'S ABOUT THE IRISH FOOD AND, UH, THE CULTURE THAT WE BRING TO, UH, IN TRYING, AND IT'S KIND OF AN IRISH AMERICAN FEEL, BUT THE DUBLIN SEVEN COMES FROM, UM, IN DUBLIN.
DUBLIN'S BROKEN DOWN INTO ZIP CODES, POSTAL DISTRICTS, DUBLIN ONE THROUGH 24, AND THE BO STREET DISTILLERY, WHICH IS WHERE JAMESON WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED IN 1780, IS POST STREET DISTILLERY, DUBLIN SEVEN IRELAND.
WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
I I I'M IMPRESSED THAT YOU DO PLAN TO HAVE A SHUTTLE BUS.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WE'RE VERY EXCITED.
AND IT'S GONNA GO TO THE, IT'S GONNA GO TO WARP WING TOO, AND IT'LL GO TO TJ CH SO IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, OUR PLAN IS TO JUST TAKE THAT BACK AND FORTH AND, UH, WE'RE ALREADY PLANNING ON HAVING A, A, A BIG BEER LAUNCHING WITH, UH, WARPED WING AND PARTNERSHIP WHEN WE GET READY TO OPEN UP.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE A BIG PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN, UH, UH, THOSE GUYS AND US AS WELL.
IF YOU COULD LOG THE DOWNTOWN PARKING PROBLEM,
BUT YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH DOWNTOWN DAYTON, THERE'S SO MANY POCKETS OF PARKING.
IT'S REALLY ABOUT HAVING SIGNAGE AND, UH, AND, UH, AND DIRECTIONAL SIGNS TELLING PEOPLE WHERE TO GO.
AND SOME OF IT'S PAID PARKING, SOME OF IT'S FREE PARKING.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE COMPETE WITH.
WE COMPETE WITH THE SUBURBS DOWNTOWN ALL THE TIME BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN COME OUT TO THE SUBURBS AND PARK FOR FREE, WHICH IS AMAZING.
UM, I STRUGGLE WITH THIS DOWNTOWN.
I'VE BEEN ON, UH, THE DAYTON CHAMBER BOARD FOR EIGHT YEARS.
I'VE BEEN ON THE CONVENTION CENTER VISITOR BUREAU BOARD FOR ANOTHER EIGHT YEARS.
SO, UM, WHAT I DO AND WHAT I PLAN ON ALWAYS DOING IS BEING PART OF A COMMUNITY AND, AND, UH, AND PUTTING IT ALL IN.
SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY PLANS TO REPLACE THE PUB WITH SEVEN FOR THE DOWNTOWN LOCATION? NO.
NO, THAT'LL ALWAYS BE, THAT'LL BE ALWAYS B DUBLIN PUB.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST, THIS IS, WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GET PEOPLE, UH, CAN I BRING MY 16-YEAR-OLD IN? OF COURSE YOU CAN.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BRING 'EM INTO A BJ'S BREWERY, YOU CAN BRING 'EM IN, BRING 'EM INTO OUR PLACE.
UM, SO THERE'S ALL THESE LITTLE TINY, SMALL ELEMENTS THAT, THAT I THINK OF.
I THINK THIS JUST TAKES US TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
AND KIND OF CLASSES IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
AND, UH, WE'RE UNDER THE LOGO RIGHT HERE, SO WE
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HAVE OUR FIRST PIECE OF APPAREL IS ALREADY, UH, MADE.IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PUSHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE IN HEARING? NO ONE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE ZONING CASE.
IS THERE A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT DUBLIN SEVEN FOR APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN? THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 6,900 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD CASE BDP 25 23.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER 1ST, 2025 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THEM TO, I'M VERY EXCITED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. VARGO? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS CASE, WE WILL MOVE THIS CASE ONTO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR REVIEW, UH, AND APPROVAL.
WELL, UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IS THE C HUBER HEIGHTS, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PROPOSED 3,500 PATRON CAPACITY.
INDOOR MUSIC CENTER VENUE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 71 51 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, BDP 25 24.
UM, THIS IS ANOTHER CASE THAT'S, UH, SOMEWHAT OF A WORK IN PROGRESS.
UH, SO THE, WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS, UH, KIND OF BROAD PARAMETERS AS FAR AS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT LAND.
UH, SO THE SITING QUESTION IS, UH, 18 ACRES THAT'S PLANNED MIXED USE.
UH, THE ADJACENT LANDS ARE PLANNED MIXED USE IN AGRICULTURAL, MAINLY TO THE NORTH.
UM, THE APPLICANT, WHICH AT THE MOMENT IS, UH, THE CITY HUBER HEIGHTS.
WE ARE WORKING TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH A 3,500 PATRON CAPACITY INDOOR, UH, MUSIC VENUE.
THIS IS THE SITE, UM, RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE PREVIOUS CASE, UM, JUST OFF OF, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD TO THE NORTH.
UM, THE LAND TO THE EAST, OR EXCUSE ME TO THE WEST IS, UH, THE PRIDE WONDERMENT, WHICH WE ARE COORDINATING OUR EFFORTS WITH THEM.
UH, AND THEN THE LANDS TO THE NORTH ARE ZONED AGRICULTURE.
UH, FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE ARE LARGE, LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THERE'S ALSO AN ODOT, UH, MAINTENANCE FACILITY TO THE NORTH AS AS WELL.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
SO WE HAVE A, UH, A GENERAL ADMISSION LOT, UH, THE PROPOSED VENUE IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THE SITE.
UM, WHICH WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE SORT OF YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MAIN VISUAL AS YOU, UH, TURN FROM BRANT ONTO EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, AND THEN A VIP LOT THERE ON, ON THE EAST SIDE.
UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS THE, THE BROAD APPROVAL OF THIS SITE PLAN.
MAINLY THE BUILDING LOCATION, UH, AND THE, THE EDGE SETBACKS ON THE, THE WEST NORTH.
UM, AND, AND EAST, WE ARE STILL WORKING ON BUILDING DESIGN.
I'LL SHOW SOME CONCEPTS, BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE, THOSE ITEMS, WHICH WILL THEN BE DISCUSSED DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS IS HOW EVERYTHING KIND OF FUNCTIONS TOGETHER.
UM, YOU SEE THE OUTLINE, THE SITE PLAN OF PRIDE ONE, THIS IS THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.
UH, WHAT I'M JUST SHOWING YOU TO ILLUSTRATE IS IN ADDITION TO THIS INDOOR FACILITY, WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTING ANOTHER SHARED, UM, DETENTION POND, UH, NORTH OF THE MEYER PARKING LOT.
UH, THAT WILL SERVICE BOTH, UH, THE, BASICALLY THE GENERAL EMISSION LOT OF THIS FACILITY, UH, AS WELL AS HALF OF THE, THE PRIDE ONE SITE.
UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH STORMWATER CAPACITY IN THE MEYER LOT OR THE COMBINED LOT OF SHEETS.
SO WE WILL BE CONSTRUCTING, UH, BASICALLY THE THAT NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS, UM, ANOTHER REGIONAL DETENTION FACILITY, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT.
UM, SO WE HAVE, UH, UNLIKE THE ROWS, WHICH HAS BASICALLY TWO ENTRANCES ON EITHER FLANK, WE WILL HAVE TWO ENTRANCES ON EITHER FLANK, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CEN CENTER SPINE, UM, WHICH WILL BE THE MAIN ACCESS TO, UH, TO THE PARKING
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LOT LOT.UH, JUST LIKE THE ROWS, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THIS WILL BE ACTIVELY MANAGED DURING CONCERTS, UH, DURING CONCERT EVENTS.
SO PEOPLE WILL BE ACTIVELY FLAGGING PEOPLE IN AND OUT AND DIRECTING TRAFFIC SO THAT WE, THEY HAVE A GOOD CONCERT EXPERIENCE, THEY GET IN AND THEY GET OUT QUICKLY.
FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T HANGING OUT AT DOUBLE AND SEVEN OR TEA CHU'S OR, OR ANY OTHER, UM, POTENTIAL RESTAURANT IN THE AREA.
UH, THE CAPACITY, THERE'S ABOUT, UH, 1200, UH, PARKING SPACES BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE TWO, BETWEEN THE GA AND THE, UM, THE VIP LOT.
UH, THIS IS OUR INITIAL EXTERIOR CONCEPT, UH, IMAGE.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE, YOUR AERIAL SITE, BASICALLY VIA DRONE FROM THE MEYER PARKING LOT.
UM, THIS IS LOOKING TO THE NORTHEAST.
UH, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE BUILDING, UH, IS SET ON, ON THE SITE.
THIS IS OUR CURRENT, UM, SITE PLAN.
I, I DO NOT ANTICIPATE THE BUILDING MOVING AT ALL.
UM, THIS SITE PLAN WORKS WELL FOR, FOR US, UH, DON'T FALL IN LOVE WITH THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
THAT MAY CHANGE AS WE, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UH, BUT THESE ARE JUST CONCEPT IMAGE IMAGES.
UH, THIS WOULD BE LOOKING TO THE, UH, THE NORTHEAST.
THIS IS BASICALLY, THIS IS BASICALLY LOOKING DUE NORTH FROM EXECUTIVE.
THIS IS THE CROSS SECTION OF WHAT WE'RE, UH, ENVISIONING.
SO THERE'S A FLOOR AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, INDOOR YEAR ROUND, UH, FACILITY.
SO AS I HAD STATED, WE ARE SEEING APPROVAL, UH, BASIC DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 3,500 PATRON INDOOR MUSIC VENUE.
UH, IT WILL OPERATE YEAR ROUND.
UH, IT ALSO IS BEING PLANNED TO HAVE SOME COMPLIMENTARY USES, SUCH AS A CONFERENCE OR BANQUET FACILITIES WHEN IT'S NOT BEING PROGRAMMED FOR, FOR CONCERTS.
UH, THAT IS ONE NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE IS A LARGE CONFERENCE OR BANQUET, UH, FACILITY.
AS FAR AS THE SITE CHARACTERISTICS, IT'S GENERALLY FLAT.
IT DOES SLOPE FROM THE, FROM THE NORTHWEST TO THE SOUTHEAST.
AND SO OUR, OUR STORM WATER IS FLOWING IN THAT DIRECTION TO THE SOUTH.
AS I MENTIONED, THE VENUE IS STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL IS REALLY JUST TO ESTABLISH THE BROAD DEVELOPMENT PARAMETERS SUCH AS ACCESS, PARKING, SETBACKS, AND, UH, BUILDING PLACEMENT, UM, THE APPLICANT.
SO WE HAVE SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN PACKAGE ILLUSTRATING THOSE USES AND SETBACKS, CIRCULATION AND PLACEMENT, UH, ELEVATIONS AND SIGNAGE.
AND ALL OF THAT IS STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT AND WILL BE REVIEWED, UM, THROUGH A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT.
AND AT, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE PLAN, MIXED USE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS, THE ENTERTAINMENT USE ARE PERMITTED IN THE DISTRICT.
IN FACT, IT'S KINDA SET OUT AS ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THAT EXCUSE DISTRICT.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IS THAT THE PARKING SETBACK ON THE WEST BE 25 FEET.
UM, IT WILL ABUT UP TO THE SETBACK OF PRIDE ONE, WHICH ON THE EAST SIDE OF PRIDE, ONE SITE IS ONLY 15 FEET.
SO THAT'LL GIVE US 40 FEET BETWEEN, UH, THE STRUCTURE AND ANY KIND OF PARKING.
UH, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING SETBACKS TO THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH OF 10 FEET, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT, UH, ANY PARKING PAVEMENT AND TRAVEL LANES SHALL BE NO CLOSER THAN 40 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
UH, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THAT, THAT BUFFER DISTANCE BETWEEN THE APARTMENTS TO THE WEST AND, AND THE APARTMENTS TO THE NORTH.
AND, AND THEN FILL IN THAT GAP WITH, UH, LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING.
UH, PROPOS, A BUILDING FOOT SETBACK OF 50 FEET.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S SETBACK, UH, MORE GENEROUSLY THAN THAT.
UM, BUT THIS WOULD, WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE.
UH, THE 25 SET FOOT SETBACK ON THE WEST WOULD PROVIDE THAT SEPARATION BETWEEN THE PAVEMENT AND THE, THE PLAN APARTMENTS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION THERE.
UH, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A 25 FOOT SETBACK, OR 40 FEET FROM STRUCTURE, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.
UH, AND THEN A 10 FOOT SETBACK ON THE NORTH SIDE OR 40 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
AND THAT REALLY IS JUST TO PROVIDE, UM, BUFFERING TO THE APARTMENTS OF THOSE TWO PARCELS.
ON THE WEST SIDE, THE LOTS TO THE NORTH ARE LARGELY WOODED.
UH, THEY'RE, THE STRUCTURES ARE NOT CLOSE TO THE PARKING LOT.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF, OF NATURAL BUFFERING THERE.
AS FAR AS PARKING AND LOADING.
UH, THE CURRENT SITE PLAN ILLUSTRATES,
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UH, 1200 PARKING SPACES.WELL, 12 1,250 PARKING SPACES.
THE, THE CODE AS COMPARED TO THE OTHER, UH, UM, CASES IS A LITTLE BIT FLIPPED.
SO THIS CODE REQUIRES ONE SPACE FOR EVERY TWO AND A HALF FIXED SEATS.
SO THE CURRENT PLAN IS, AS IS DESIGNED, IS 1500, UH, FIXED SEATS, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 600.
WOULD BE ABOUT 700, UH, 50 PARKING, NO, THAT'S RIGHT.
THE DESIGNERS ARE DESIGNING THE PARKING LOT TO BASICALLY BE, UH, ONE SPACE FOR EVERY THREE PATRONS, WHICH IS, UH, WHY WE ARE AT 1,250 SPACES INSTEAD OF THE CODE MINIMUM OF, OF 600 PARKING SPACES.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE BUILDING IS ENVISIONED TO BE A MIX OF CONCRETE PANELS, GLASS AND METAL ACCENT PANELS.
UH, AS YOU SAW IN THE ELEVATIONS, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT'S NOT BEEN PROVIDED YET.
SAME WAY WITH LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE.
THOSE WILL BE PROVIDED AND REVIEWED DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE.
I WILL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE STANDARDS OF, OF A REVIEW AND AND APPROVAL.
UM, THIS, THIS IS A, A BIG FACILITY, UH, GENERAL STANDARD A IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL THOROUGHFARE PLAN, COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS AND POLICIES.
IT'S STAFF'S OPINION THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, AND THE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
THE SITE'S LOCATED ON ARTERIAL STREET, UH, ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED FROM TWO STREETS.
AND THEN THAT CENTRAL SPINE THAT I HAD, THAT I HAD MENTIONED, UH, OFF OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD TRAFFIC, WILL ALSO BE ACTIVELY MANAGED DURING EVENTS, JUST LIKE WE DO AT THE ROWS.
UM, STANDARD B IS THE PROJECT COULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED WITHIN THE PERIOD OF TIME.
SPECIAL SPECIFIED IN THE SCHEDULE, UH, OF DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVEN'T SUBMITTED A SCHEDULE YET.
UH, IF, UM, IF ALL GOES WELL, WE ARE HOPING TO UNDERTAKE, UM, SITE WORK, UH, BEGINNING IN EARLY 2026 AS FAR AS GRADING AND, AND PREPARING FOR A BUILDING PA UH, PAD, UH, IN EARLY PARTS OF, OF 26.
ITEM C REALLY IS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND ACCESSIBILITY FROM A PUBLIC ROAD.
UM, IT'S OUR VIEW THAT STAFF'S VIEW THAT EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD HAS ADEQUATE CAPACITY, UH, TO SERVICE THIS PROPOSED USE.
THE SEATING AT THE ROWS IS, UH, ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN, UH, THAN WHAT IS THIS, UH, FACILITY IS PROPOSED, UH, AND EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD FUNCTIONS WELL, UM, WITH THE ROW.
SO WE DON'T SEE, UH, ANY REALLY IMPACT ON EXECUTIVE.
UM, AGAIN, WE WOULD BE ACTIVELY MANAGING TRAFFIC LIKE WE DO, UH, TODAY.
UH, ITEM D IS, UH, STATES THAT THE USE, UH, SHOULD NOT IMPOSE UNDUE BURDEN ON PUBLIC SERVICES SUCH AS UTILITIES, FIRE, POLICE PROTECTION IN SCHOOLS.
WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE ANY UNDUE BURDEN ON PUBLIC, UM, SERVICES.
JUST LIKE EVENTS AT THE ROSE, WE WOULD HAVE FIRE AND POLICE, UH, AVAILABLE.
UM, BUT THIS WOULD HAVE, UH, LITTLE TO NO IMPACT ON, ON CITY SCHOOLS OR, OR OTHER, UH, USES.
THERE'S PLENTY OF UTILITY CAPACITY, UH, IN THIS AREA.
UH, I DID MENTION WE ARE BUILDING A REGIONAL RETENTION, A SECOND REGIONAL RETENTION, UM, POND THAT WOULD BE NEEDED REGARDLESS OF REALLY WHAT TYPE OF OF USE THAT WOULD GO ON HERE.
UM, BOTH FOR PRIDE ONE'S DEVELOPMENT, THEIR SECOND PHASE ALONG EXECUTIVE AND, AND THEN THIS LOT AS WELL.
I SKIPPED A FEW BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REALLY THAT IMPORTANT.
BUT ITEM K IS THAT THIS, UH, USE SHOULD NOT INVOLVE USES ACTIVITIES, PROCESSES, AND MATERIALS, EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA.
UM, THAT COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO ANY PERSON PROPERTY OR THE GENERAL WELFARE BY REASON OF EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC, NOISE, SMOKE, FUMES, GLARE OR ODORS.
THE TRAFFIC WILL BE ACTIVELY MANAGED.
UH, SO WE DO NOT SEE, UH, OR ANTICIPATE THAT IT WOULD PRODUCE, UH, ANY EXCESS NOISE.
UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ROWS YOU CAN HEAR OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY.
THIS, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE NOT BEING ABLE TO HEAR AT ALL, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY UNLESS THERE WERE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WERE TAKING PLACE IN THE PLAZA PARKING LOT.
OTHERWISE, THIS FACILITY IS, UH, ENTIRELY SELF-CONTAINED.
SO AS FAR AS STAFF RECOMMENDATION, IT STAFF'S OPINION THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF 11 7 1 0 6 CAN BE MET.
AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH, UH, FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT THE PARKING SETBACKS BE, UH, 25 FEET ON THE WEST SIDE, 10 FEET ON THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH
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SIDE.UH, AND THEN THE PARKING PAVE PAVEMENT.
AND TRE LANE SHALL BE NO CLOSER THAN 40 FEET FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT THE BUILDING SETBACK BE 50 FEET.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY THAT THE SITE ACCESS PLAN SHALL GENERALLY BE SIMILAR TO THE SITE PLAN LABELED, UH, RENDERED SITE PLAN, FULL SITE DATED SEPTEMBER 5TH OF, UH, 2025, WHICH IS THIS.
SO THIS IS REALLY THE ACCESS, UH, PLAN.
WE ARE WORKING WITH PRIDE ONE ON A SHARED ACCESS DRIVE TO THEIR FACILITY.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND, AND EVERYBODY IS HAPPY WITH, UM, THIS PROPOSED LAYOUT.
THE, UH, THE ARCHITECT AND ENGINEER ARE HERE IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS OF THEM AS WELL.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF ME? YEAH.
WHO OWNS THE THROUGH? UM, ON THE EAST SIDE THERE, RIGHT BY THE VIP LOT THAT DRIVE.
UM, WE HAD GONE BACK AND FORTH, UH, BUT IT'LL, AT THIS POINT IT'LL STILL REMAIN A PUBLIC DRIVE.
YEAH, SO AARON, DO YOU HAVE THIS SLIDE? THE
SO THIS IS GONNA BE CAT CORNERED TO THE SHEETS RIGHT OFF OF BRAND PIPE STREET.
SO, UM, I, I'M TRACKING WHERE IT'S AT.
UM, SO MY ONLY CONCERN, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'LL BE CONTROLLED BY POLICE.
AS YOU KNOW, THE ROSE TRAFFIC IS, BUT THE ROSE TRAFFIC IS A HALF A MILE IN.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS LIKE THE MASSIVE CONGESTION, WHETHER YOU HAVE POLICE CONTROLLING IT OR NOT, IT'S LITERALLY RIGHT AS SOON AS YOU TAKE A LEATHER ON, ON BRANT TO GO DOWN EXECUTIVE, THAT'S NOT A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM TO MANAGE THE CONGESTION OF A 3,500 SEAT VENUE.
UM, LET ALONE IF ALSO HAVE SOMETHING ONGOING AT THE ROWS OR MEYER TRAFFIC GOING OUT.
SO OR ANY OTHER RESTAURANT
LIKE SURE, THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY TO GO EAST.
WE WOULD PROBABLY MANAGE THE TRAFFIC IN A SIMILAR FASHION TO WHERE, UH, INITIALLY YOU WERE EMPTYING OUT AND THAT FAR WEST LOT IS GOING TO OLD TROY PIKE.
UH, AND THEN THE EAST LOT, THERE'LL BE LESS PEOPLE IN THE UM, VIP.
BUT THEN WE WOULD SPLIT THAT CENTER SPINE TO BALANCE THE TRAFFIC GOING TO BOTH THE BRANT PIKE INTERCHANGE AND THE, UH, OLD TROY PIKE INTERCHANGE.
WE ARE ALSO IN, 'CAUSE THE MEYER DOES HAVE, LEMME GO BACK TO THIS.
WE ARE, THIS ISN'T A GOOD, NOT A GOOD SLIDE FOR THAT.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT PRELIMINARY DESIGNS OF CREATING A NORTHBOUND TURN LANE FROM MEYER, BRANT PIKE.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN ONLY GO SOUTHBOUND AND WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING SOUTHBOUND THEN TAKING A U-TURN, UH, IN MEDIAN, AND THEN HEADING NORTHBOUND.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT REDOING THAT, UM, THAT INTERCHANGE AS WELL.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF KIND OF TRAFFIC IS, IS IN THE FOREFRONT OF OUR MM-HMM
UM, SO IT, THAT HAS YOUR ACCESS AND CONGESTION IS, HAS BEEN A, A POINT OF CONSIDERATION FROM DAY ONE.
AND ANOTHER THING I'VE NOTICED JUST COMING HOME, 'CAUSE I COME THAT WAY EVERY DAY, IS YOU HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE GETTING IN THE TURN LANE TO TURN INTO SHEETS VERSUS THE FOLKS THAT ARE GETTING IN THE TURN LANE TO GO DOWN EXECUTIVE AND SOMETIMES THE TWO DON'T AGREE WITH EACH OTHER.
SO
YEAH, NO, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WOULD WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE ON BRAND PIKE THERE AS WELL.
UM, FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TWO IN INSTEAD OF ONE? UM, I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA MODEL THAT AND, AND WORK WITH POLICE ON, ON HOW WE ACCESS THAT TRAFFIC.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST COUPLE EVENTS, IT'LL BE A MAYBE A, A A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF CAPACITY, UM, ON EXECUTIVE.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO WIDEN EXECUTIVE IF WE NEED TO THE RIGHT OF WAY IS THERE, UH, AND THAT'S BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, THE SHEET'S ENTRANCE ON BRANT AND THE ENTRANCE ON EXECUTIVE IS SOMETHING
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THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BECAUSE IT, THAT STACKING AREA ISN'T MM-HMMMAYBE AS DEEP AS IT NEEDS TO BE.
ONE OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE TO SHAVE A ANOTHER LANE ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF BRANT SO THAT YOU COULD PUT A DOUBLE STACKING LANE TURNING INTO EXECUTIVE.
SO WE'VE GOT THE OPPOR, WE'VE GOT THE ROOM TO, TO DO THAT.
UM, WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT THOSE DETAILS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY JUST DID ON CARRIAGE TRAIL, UM, WHEN YOU'RE COMING OUT, IT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STOP.
YOU USED TO HAVE TO STOP AND LOOK LEFT AND YOU'D WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
NOW IT'S A CONTINUAL LANE THAT IS THE ONLY LANE PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THERE.
THAT SEEMS LIKE A A, THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION FOR THAT AREA.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, AND I SOUND LIKE A POTENTIAL FOR THIS ONE.
AND, AND WE WOULD DO SIMILAR TO THAT, I THINK DRAINING, UH, EVENTS JUST WITH CONES AND, AND HAVE BASICALLY, AGAIN, EXPRESS LANES IN AN EXPRESS LANES OUT MORE EXPRESS LANES OUT THAN GETTING IN.
PEOPLE TRICKLE IN, BUT THEY WANT TO BE OUT.
WHEN, WHEN THE EVENT'S OVER, THOSE WOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH THE TWO LANES ON RAMP PIKE GOING NORTH AND SOUTH? NO.
I MEAN, THERE MIGHT BE SOME INCONVENIENCE WHILE YOU'RE HEADING SOUTH ON BRANT, WHILE THE, WHILE THE SHOW EXITS.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST LIKE THE, WE DO, THE WAY WE DO IT NOW IS WE METER PEOPLE IN AND OUT.
AND ACTIVELY CONTROL THE, UH, THE, THE SIGNALS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. VARGO? UM, THERE IS A PARCEL THAT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, POTENTIAL BUILDING.
UH, IF YOU KEEP GOING TO IT WAS UP IN THE FRONT.
UH, SEE THAT, SEE THAT TRIANGLE DOWN THERE? YEAH.
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THAT? SO RIGHT NOW THAT TRIANGLE IS A, A DETENTION POND, ACTUALLY.
IT'S A SMALL DETENTION POND THAT SERVES SHEETS AND THE AREA TO THE NORTH.
WE WOULD BUILD ANOTHER DETENTION POND ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT TREE LINE.
THERE'S A, A CREEK THAT THAT BISECTS THAT.
IT'S NOT PICKED UP ON THIS IMAGE, BUT THERE IS A, THERE'S A SMALL DETENTION POND THERE.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION WITH MIMI, MIMI SINCE THEY'RE, UH, THE ONES THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF THIS VIDEO AND VE ROSES THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE CONCERTS ON THE SAME NIGHT? OR IS THAT A POTENTIAL THAT THERE WOULD BE, THERE IS A POTENTIAL THAT THERE WOULD BE SHOWS PROGRAMMED AT BOTH NIGHTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? OKAY, IN HEARING NO ONE, WE'LL MOVE ON.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? THE CITY HUBER HEIGHTS, FOR A APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 71 51 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, CASE BDP 25 24.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER 10TH, 2025 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MS. FARGO? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT?
WE WILL, UH, WE WILL MOVE THIS, UH, THIS CASE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR, UH, REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WOULD BE APPROVED.
SO THEY ARE APPROVED REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW MR. RELL.
AS FAR AS CALENDAR, UH, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING IN THE HOPPER AT MOMENT.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE FIVE RESPONSES FOR THE ZONING CODE RFP THAT WE ISSUED.
AND SO I'M GONNA BE SENDING THOSE TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW, UH, AND THOUGHTS AS WELL, UH, AS WELL AS A, UH, DRAFT KIND OF SCHEDULE AND PROCESS FOR YOUR INPUT ON, ON UPDATING BOTH THE UM, ZONING CODE AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
WHAT ABOUT A B, C? THEY HAVE DECIDED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR REQUEST, SO THEY'RE JUST GONNA ASK FOR FORGIVENESS.
I THINK THEY'RE JUST GONNA CONTINUE TO, TO PARK
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THE TRUCKS THERE AT NIGHT AND NOT STAGE ANY MATERIAL THERE.ARE THEY IN VIOLATION WHEN THEY DO THAT? NO.
ANYONE TO HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? WE ARE ADJOURNED.