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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road September 9, 2025 6:00 P.M. ]
CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION ORDER.SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL, MR. JOHNSON? AND HE DID, UH, LET US KNOW HE WOULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT.
UH, I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS.
DOES ANYONE ELSE? THIS IS THE, UH, NEXT IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
IN HEARING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
TO THE FOLLOWING OATH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
TO STEP TO THE PODIUM, SPELL THEIR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A FINAL PLAT.
THE APPLICANT, FOUR STAR USA REAL ESTATE GROUP, INC.
IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT FOR 71 BUILDING LOTS AND ASSOCIATED RETENTION BASINS AND OPEN SPACE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, ANDICOTT ENDICOTT ROAD, NORTHSIDE, UH, FP 25 22.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, SO THIS PARTICULAR PLAT, UH, IT IS THE FINAL RECORD PLAN.
THE AREA ZONED PLANNED RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND THIS ONE, THIS PARTICULAR SECTION IS FOR 71, BUILDING LOTS.
SO THIS IS THE LOCATION, UH, JUST ON THE WEST SIDE OF CHAMBERSBURG.
UH, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST SECTION YOU'VE DRIVEN BY HERE.
UH, IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, STARTED CUTTING IN THE ROADS.
THEY BUILT, UH, THE BOX CULVERT FOR TO SPAN THIS STREAM.
UH, AND THEY'VE, UH, THEY'RE GOING FULL, UH, FULL GUNS AHEAD.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, ACTUAL PLA UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE.
UM, THERE ARE YOU, YOU APPROVED THIS PLAT WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED EXCEPT FOR THESE TWO AREAS.
UH, REALLY THIS ONE DIMENSION.
UM, IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THIS SECTION OF CHAMBERSBURG WAS 45 FEET FROM THE CENTER LINE.
UH, IT'S CHANGED ON THE NORTH SIDE TO RE BE REDUCED SLIGHTLY TO, UH, BETWEEN 39 AND 36 FEET.
THIS ALIGNED WITH OUR ROAD WIDENING PLANS, SO THERE WAS NO NEED FOR EXTRA, UM, RIGHT OF AWAY.
SO THIS HAS BEEN COORDINATED WITH OUR, UH, ENGINEERING TEAM WHO WAS WORKING ON THE CHAMBERSBURG RIGHT AWAY.
UH, AND THIS IS, THIS IS APPROPRIATE, SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
UH, THESE ARE THE REST OF, OF THE LOTS.
UH, BASICALLY WE ARE BUILDING ONE, ONE ROAD THAT WILL CONNECT EVENTUALLY, PRETTY SOON, REALLY, TO THE SECOND ENTRANCE.
SO AS THEY SELL OUT THESE, UH, HOMES, UM, THEY WILL START ON SECTION TWO, WHICH IS TO WHICH WILL CONNECT THIS PART TO THE, SO THE EAST SIDE OF CHAMBERSBURG.
UH, AND THEN THEY'LL WORK THEIR WAY NORTHWARD.
SO AS FAR AS THE ANALYSIS, UH, ALL FRONT SETBACKS ARE 25 FEET, WHICH, WHICH IS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.
ALL LOT SIZES ARE THE SAME THAT WERE APPROVED THROUGH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT HAS COORDINATED THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH SO LONG CHAMBERSBURG WITH OUR CONSULTING ENGINEERS.
UH, SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF THIS FINAL FLAT SUBMITTED.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT MS. BARGO? YEAH.
DOES THAT LITTLE, UH, ROAD INTO THEIR LINEUP WITH IN THE COT ROAD? IT DOES.
SO IT WILL BE STRAIGHT ACROSS FROM ENDICOTT.
YEAH, IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THE ROAD RIGHT THERE ON THAT.
WELL, YOU CAN ON THERE, BUT IT'S NOT IDENTIFIED ON OUR MAP.
IT'S NOT, ALL YOU CAN SEE IS IN THE COP ROAD, BUT NO, YEAH, IT, IT DOES ALIGN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THAT? THANK YOU, SIR.
YOU WELCOME UP TO THE PUBLIC, PUBLIC, ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE HEARING? NO ONE HAS THAT PORTION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? FOUR STAR REAL ESTATE GROUP, INC.
FOR APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 46 33 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, CASE FP 25 DASH 22.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF MEMBER MIRANDA DATED
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SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2025, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO MOVE BY MS. THOMAS.IS THERE A SECOND? UH, SECOND BY MR. S SHOPPER.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. VARGA? YES.
MOTION PASSES FORWARD TO ZERO.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, SPECIFICALLY, YOU ARE GONNA SIGN THE PLAT AFTER THIS MEETING AND THEY PICK IT UP.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A MINOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT A, B, C, SUPPLIES REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE TO FENCE IN AN AREA FOR DELIVERY, STAGING, AND PARKING.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 74 77 OH, TROY PIKE, MC 25 DASH 18.
SO THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, SO YOU MAY WANT TO TABLE THIS, BUT, UM, I AT LEAST WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION WITH, UH, SORT MY LOGIC, UH, AND THEN YOU CAN DO AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, FEELS, FEELS FIT.
SO, UH, THE SITE IS, UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A BC SUPPLY DOWN THE STREET AT THE CORNER OF OLD ULTRA PI AND, UM, TAYLORSVILLE.
IT'S ADJACENT TO PLAN COMMERCIAL IN R FOUR.
IT'S BIGGER THAN WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE FROM THE ROAD, UH, BUT IT'S KIND OF AWKWARD.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A MA MINOR CHANGE TO FENCE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UH, OF, OF THEIR SITE.
UM, BASICALLY TO CREATE A TRIANGLE AREA TO, UH, STAGE FOR DELIVERIES FOR EARLY MORNING, UH, AND THEN ALSO FOR THEIR DELIVERY TRUCK PARKING.
SO THIS IS THE SITE, UM, OUTLINE IN DARK BLUE IS THE MOST OF THE PROPERTY.
SORRY, I ALSO INCLUDED THE, UH, SUBMARINE HOUSE, SO IGNORE THAT PART.
BUT, UM, THE, UH, THE THREE BUILDINGS ARE A, B, C SUPPLY.
UM, THE TWO REAR BUILDINGS ARE ALL OF THEIR, MOST OF THEIR STORAGE AREA, THE ARROW POINTS TO WHERE THEY CURRENTLY PARK AND STAGE, UH, REALLY OVERNIGHT AND END IN THE MORNING.
WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO IS SECURE THAT, THAT SITE.
UM, THIS IS A AERIAL FROM 2022, UM, WHICH ACTUALLY HAS A LOT MORE MATERIAL, UM, DISPLAYED OUT THERE.
AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.
SO THIS IS THE CURRENT SITE PLAN.
IT'S A WHOLESALE, UM, WAREHOUSE.
THEY REALLY DON'T DO A LOT OF DIRECT TO RETAIL, UH, SALES, SO THEY DON'T HAVE A NEED FOR A LOT OF PARKING.
YOU KNOW, BUILDERS KNOW THEY COME IN, THEY ORDER, OR THEY JUST PHONE IN THEY ORDER, AND IT GETS DELIVERED TO THE JOB SITE.
SO THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UM, IS THIS FENCED IN AREA, UM, IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
UH, IT BASICALLY OCCUPIES THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT THEY, THEY'RE CURRENTLY, UM, USING FOR LOADING AND STAGING AND, UH, PARKING OF THEIR TRUCKS.
UH, THIS AREA WAS PREVIOUSLY FENCED IN, UH, TEMPORARILY FOR STORAGE PURPOSES.
THAT STOR THOSE STORAGE PURPOSES I THINK WERE EXPANDED TO MORE OUTDOOR SALES AND, AND SOME, SOME MATERIAL SALES.
UH, THAT FENCING WAS REMOVED IN DECEMBER OF 22, UH, AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY BECAUSE THEY, THEIR, THE OUTDOOR AREA HAD JUST, I GUESS, EXPLODED AS FAR AS THEIR STORAGE MATERIALS.
LOTS OF PALLETS OF SHINGLES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, AND THIS WAS NOT ZONED FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE.
SO THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN, IN 2022.
UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE AREA OF THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE AND, UH, THE P THE PHOTO WAS DECEMBER.
YOU CAN SEE PALLETS OF, OF SHINGLES, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO AVOID HAPPENING AGAIN, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
UM, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT RURAL KING ACROSS THE STREET IS THE, PROBABLY THE SINGLE LARGEST COMPLAINT THAT WE GET FROM A, FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE.
AND, AND WE DON'T WANT TO REPLICATE THIS.
UM, AS FAR AS THE APPLICABLE ZONING REGULATIONS, UM, THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL SECTION IS PRETTY WIDE OPEN FOR INTERPRETATION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN IT COMES TO OFF STREET PARKING AND LOADING.
UM, WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT THE CHAPTER 1185 PARKING AND LOADING SHALL APPLY EXCEPT THAT, UH, OFF STREET LOADING SPACES SHALL BE PROVIDED WITH AREA LOCATION AND, AND DESIGN APPROPRIATE TO THE NEEDS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND SPECIFIC USES WITHIN IT.
AND THE SPACE DESIGNED FOR OFF STREET LOADING SHALL NOT BE USED FOR OFF STREET PARKING.
SO YOU HAVE WIDE LATITUDE AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION
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WITHIN THE PLANNING PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO, TO DECIDE WHAT IS AN APPROPRIATE PARKING AND LOADING.SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT PARKING AND LOADING IN GENERAL, WE WANT TO SEE THOSE LOADING AREAS TO THE SIDE OR THE REAR OF A BUILDING.
WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM OUT FRONT, UH, ALL OF THE TIME.
THERE ARE AREAS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE BECAUSE OF, UM, THE WAY THE BUILDING IS DESIGNED, WHERE THE BUILDING IS PLACED ON THE SITE.
SO YOU THINK ABOUT THE, UM, U-HAUL, WHICH WAS THE FORMER KMART IN BRAND.
ALL OF THEIR TRUCKS ARE PARKED IN FRONT.
THAT'S BASICALLY STORAGE, UH, FOR THEIR INVENTORY.
WELL, THEY TOOK OVER THE, THE OLD KMART BUILDING.
THAT PARKING LOT WAS ALREADY THERE.
THAT BUILDING IS ALL THE WAY TO THE REAR OF THE SITE.
THERE'S NO WAY TO PUT THOSE TRUCKS ON EITHER THE SIDE OR THE REAR.
UM, IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT IS INDICATED THERE IS NO ROOM TO STAGE THEIR MATERIALS OR LOADS IN, UH, IN THE REAR BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH STORAGE OF MATERIALS AND INVENTORY THEY HAVE BACK THERE.
THE SECOND CONSTRAINT TO THIS SITE IS THE BUILDING'S ON A CORNER LOT.
UH, AND IN THIS CASE, THERE BASICALLY ARE TWO FRONT YARDS AND THERE REALLY ISN'T A SIDE AREA FOR LOADING AND STAGING BASED ON HOW THIS, UH, THE PROPERTY LINES LINE UP.
SO IF YOU CAN LOOK FROM THIS AREA, AGAIN, THE REAR OF THE BUILDING ALSO HAS TWO STORAGE BUILDINGS.
THE OUTDOOR YARD IS COMPLETELY FULL OF, OF MATERIAL.
UM, THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF, OF, OF SPACE FOR THEM.
ADDITIONALLY, THE ONLY SIDE YARD THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY STAGE IN, WHICH WOULD STILL ALLOW FIRE APPARATUS TO GET TO THE REAR IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM, WOULD BE THAT NORTHWEST CORNER, UM, BETWEEN SUBWAY HOUSE AND THE BUILDING.
AND THAT AREA, JUST THAT AREA IS, UH, I WOULD, IS IS TOO VISIBLE.
SO THEY'RE REALLY LEFT WITH THIS NORTHEAST CORNER, UM, WHERE THEY'VE, WHERE THEY CURRENTLY OPERATE, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON HOW TO OPERATE.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR FLATBED TRUCKS, UH, PARKED UP AGAINST THE RETAINING WALL AT, UH, AT NIGHT.
UH, AND THEN THEY WOULD LOAD, UM, STAGE THEIR FIRST OUT SHIPMENTS KIND OF ON THE FENCE, UM, TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE FENCE, UM, WHICH IS WHAT THEY DO NOW AS WELL.
SO AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE PLANNING, UH, PLANNING COMMERCIAL DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS, I THINK WHEN WE EVALUATE THIS CASE, UM, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
WHAT ARE PEOPLE GONNA SEE, UH, AND THEN BALANCE THAT WITH THE BUSINESS' OPERATIONAL NEEDS.
SO I THINK THE IMPACT ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS PRETTY MINIMAL.
THERE REALLY ISN'T ADJACENT, NOT AN ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS.
THE DISTANCE BETWEEN SUBMARINE HOUSE AND WHERE THIS FENCED IN AREA IS PRETTY FAR, UH, IT WOULDN'T IMPACT THEIR PARKING OR THEIR ACCESS.
THEY WOULD STILL HAVE OVERFLOW PARKING ACCESS WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY HAVE IT NOW, UH, AND THEN THE ADJACENT AND THEN TO THE BACK HERE.
THE SITE TO THE SOUTH, UM, AGAIN, WOULD, IS THE IMPACT IS NEGLIGIBLE.
IT'S THE DRIVEWAY TO THE SITE.
SO, UM, I THINK THE BACK TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES IS, IS PRETTY NEGLIGIBLE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT MIGHT, THAT'S KIND OF A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
UM, SO ON THE POSITIVE SIDE THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN THE ELEVATION OF THE SIDEWALK AND THE PARKING LOT.
AND IT VARIES BETWEEN, UH, EIGHT FEET OR SO, UH, AT THE VERY TIP OF WHERE THE FENCE WOULD BE.
AND, AND GRADUALLY GOES UP TO CLOSE TO 14, UH, FEET AT THE, UH, THE, THE CONVERGENCE OF THE TRIANGLE WHERE TAYLORSVILLE AND, UM, OLD TROY PIPE COME TOGETHER.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE THERE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE MUCH OF ANYTHING AS YOU TRA YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE MUCH OF ANYTHING AS YOU TRAVEL SOUTHBOUND ON REY PIKE.
YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT AS YOU TRAVEL NORTHBOUND ON REY PIKE.
I THINK WHERE THE VISUAL IMPACT WOULD BE IS AS YOU TRAVEL WEST TO EAST ON TAYLORSVILLE, YOU WILL SEE THAT FENCED IN AREA, UH, AND SOME OF THE STORAGE.
BUT IT, IT WILL BE BACK FURTHER, BUT YOU'LL STILL SEE IT.
UM, SO WHILE THERE IS AN IMPACT, I THINK THAT IMPACT CAN BE MANAGED, UH, THROUGH A CHANGE IN THE FENCING MATERIAL AND ALSO ADDITIONAL TREE PLANTINGS.
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ISSUE HERE IS THAT THIS FENCED IN AREA, IF IT'S APPROVED, WOULD BE LIMITED TO STAGING, UH, AND STORAGE OF VEHICLES ONLY, AND THAT WE'RE NOT STORING OUTDOOR MATERIAL AND IT'S NOT THEIR WAREHOUSE ANNEX, UH, LIKE WE HAVE ACROSS THE STREET.I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I HAVE.
UM, SO AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK THE MINOR CHANGE TO CREATE THAT LOADING AND STAGING AREA, UM, CAN BE SUPPORTED WITH THESE CONDITIONS.
ONE, THAT THERE WOULD BE NO OUTDOOR STORAGE OR SALES OF ANY MATERIAL OR INVENTORY.
UH, AND THAT THAT FENCED IN AREA SHOULD BE LIMITED TO DELIVERY, STAGING AND VEHICLE PARKING.
AND THE WAY WE WOULD ENFORCE THAT IS LITERALLY WE WOULD WATCH THE MATERIAL, IT'S THERE IN THE MORNING AND IT'S GONE AT NIGHT, AND THEN IT REAPPEARS AT NIGHT WHEN THEY'RE STAGING FOR NEXT MORNING'S DELIVERY.
AND THEN IT'S GONE BY BY NOON.
UM, AND IT'S NOT PALLETS AND PALLETS OF SHINGLES JUST LINGERING THERE FOR WEEKS ON END.
UM, TWO, THE FENCING MATERIAL SHALL BE BLACK, UH, COATED.
UM, WE, OUR FENCING STANDARDS DON'T HAVE THIS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE CHANGES I'D LIKE TO MAKE IN COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AREAS THAT WE MOVE TO.
UH, VINYL COATED BLACK, UH, FENCING TENDS TO BLEND IN WITH THE ENVIRONMENT.
UM, IT DOESN'T SHINE LIKE A GALVANIZED, UH, CHAIN LINK FENCE.
WOULD I ALSO WANT TO AMEND THIS IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD, I WOULD ALSO ADD TO THIS RECOMMENDATION OF NUMBER TWO, THAT THERE BE NO RAZOR WIRE, BARBED WIRE, OR SIMILAR TYPE OF MATERIAL.
IT'S AN, IT'S AN AREA I THINK IT, WHICH IS A, UH, UH, AN AREA OF THE CODE THAT'S, THAT'S DEFICIENT.
RAZOR WIRE HAS, UH, NO PLACE IN OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS RAZOR WIRE BARBED WIRE OR SIMILAR.
UM, NUMBER THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL PLANT ADDITIONAL EVERGREEN TREES AND REPLACE THE EXISTING DISEASED OR DYING EVERGREEN TREES AT LEAST 15 FEET BEHIND THE SIDEWALK TO FILL IN MISSION GAPS WITH THE EXISTING VEGETATION.
THOSE EVERGREEN, THOSE FIR TREES HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.
UM, SOME ARE IN OKAY SHAPE, SOME AREN'T.
UH, I THINK THAT THAT LANDSCAPING NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED TO FILL IN THOSE GAPS.
TO SCREEN THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UM, THE 15TH FEET IS SO THAT THEY ARE OUT FROM UNDER THE UTILITY LINES SO THAT A ES, UM, DOESN'T, UH, A DOESN'T GRUMBLE ABOUT IT AND B DOESN'T, UH, HACK 'EM TO DEATH.
UH, WHEN THEY DO THEIR, UH, LINE LINE CURLING.
I THINK MOVING THE TREES 15 FEET BACK FROM THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM.
AND THAT SHOULD PROVIDE PLENTY OF, UH, ROOM FOR THE TREES TO, AS FUR TREES DO, UH, TO GROW IN WITHOUT IMPEDING.
UM, THE UTILITY LINES NUMBER FOUR IS THAT THE, THE APPLICANT WILL COMPLY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS.
THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN COMMUNICATED TO THE APPLICANT.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTS THEM TO LOSE TWO SPACES, TWO PARKING SPACES IN ORDER TO CREATE A WIDER, UM, AISLE FOR FIRE APPARATUS.
THEY'LL JUST PAINT TWO LESS SPACES.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY, THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A REVISED SITE PLAN THAT COMPLIES TO WHATEVER CONDITIONS THIS BODY IF, UH, IF ANY, PUTS ON THIS APPLICATION.
SO ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? MS. VARGO? I HAVE A LOT OF 'EM HERE, BUT THEY'RE SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
DO YOU, DID THEY, DID YOU KNOW THEY WOULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT? NO, I DID NOT.
UM, MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT THEY'RE, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE CLEAR IN MY HEAD WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY USING TO PARK THEIR TRUCKS EXCEPT PUT A FENCE AROUND IT.
UH, AND HAVE THERE BEEN ANY PROBLEMS UP TILL TONIGHT, TODAY WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING? HAS ANYONE COMPLAINED? HAVE WE HAD ANY CITATIONS OR ANYTHING? THEY'VE HAD NO CITATIONS ABSENT OF, UM, THE ENFORCEMENT THAT WE DID IN, UH, THREE YEARS AGO, LIKE I TALKED ABOUT IN 22, IN 2022.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN NO RECENT COMPLAINTS TO ME OR CITATIONS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE OPERATING THAT SPACE.
SO NO COMPLAINTS, UH, OTHER BUSINESSES OR ANYONE.
UM, WILL THIS BE USED FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING FOR OTHER TRUCKING COMPANIES? NO, JUST THEIR OWN FLEET VEHICLES.
UH, AND ALL OF THE TRUCKS THAT COME IN HERE CURRENTLY
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ARE COMING HERE AND THEY'RE EITHER LOADING OR UNLOADING AND THEN THEY'RE LEAVING.BUT DO THEY HAVE SOME THAT MAYBE THIS IS A HALFWAY POINT TO GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THEY'RE HERE TO PARK OVERNIGHT? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF A, B, C SUPPLY FACILITIES AROUND THE REGION.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF, MAYBE LET'S SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A BRAND NAME.
UH, SO AND SO, UM, ROOFING MATERIAL OTHER THAN THEIR DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT MAY MAKE A DELIVERY AND, AND REST AND THEN GO ON TO THE NEXT PLACE.
BUT AS FAR AS A B, C SUPPLY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEIR DRIVERS ARE AT THIS LOCATION.
THEY DELIVER TO THE WORKSHOP SITE AND THEN COME BACK.
UM, AND MY NEXT QUESTION, I THINK YOU ANSWERED, BUT I WANT TO GET, WANT IT CONFIRMED PLEASE.
IT WILL ONLY BE FOR TRUCKS AND NO SUPPLIES WILL BE STORED BEHIND THIS BLACK FENCE OTHER THAN WHAT IS STAGED FOR MORNING DELIVERIES.
THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THERE WOULD BE NO STORAGE OUTSIDE OF WHAT STAGE FOR DELIVERY.
SO THEY WILL PULL IN PARK FOR THE NIGHT, THEY'LL PULL OUT AND GO TO THE BUILDING TO GET THEIR SUPPLIES.
NO, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, LEMME GO TO THIS, UH, DIFFERENT, THIS ONE'S A BETTER ONE.
SO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS THEY WALK OVER HERE, SO LIKE RIGHT NOW MM-HMM
THEY WOULD WANT TO LOAD THIS UP WITH WHATEVER BUILDING MATERIALS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, SECURED ON THEIR FLATBEDS OR READY TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FROM THAT PLACE TO THEIR FLATBEDS SO THAT THEY CAN ROLL OUT AT SIX IN THE MORNING.
UM, AND THEY THAT, SO THEY BASICALLY WANT TO STORE OR STAGE, I SHOULD SAY, IT'S NOT STORAGE STAGE, THEIR FIRST DELIVERIES IN A SECURE LOCATION SO THAT THEY CAN BE OUT THE DOOR AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND NOT GO BACK INTO THE WAREHOUSE AREA TO LOAD AND STAGE.
AND ARE THEY, IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW? WHAT? IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WELL, SO FAR I LIKE EVERYTHING EXCEPT THAT.
AND WHENEVER, UH, IN THE, UH, THE THING THAT YOU READ, I THOUGHT IT SAID NO MATERIALS WOULD BE OUT THERE.
NO, WHAT I WAS, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS THAT THOSE MATERIALS, THAT SAME PALLET OF STUFF.
SO WHAT I DON'T WANT IS, LET ME GO TO THIS PICTURE, IS LET'S SAY THAT'S A WEEK'S WORTH OF MATERIAL TO BE MOVED, UH, OUT OF THERE.
WHAT, WHAT, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS RIGHT.
I'M OKAY WITH THE MORNING LOAD SITTING THERE OVERNIGHT BEHIND A FENCE.
BUT NOT A WEEK'S OR A MONTH'S WORTH OF MATERIALS SITTING THERE ON THE, IF COME FOR SOMEBODY TO BUY IT.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE SHOULD BE NO MATERIALS OUT INSIDE THAT FENCE.
I I WOULD SAY IT THIS WAY, AT THREE O'CLOCK, THERE'S PROBABLY NO MATERIAL THERE.
AT 8:00 PM AS THEY STAGE FOR THE NEXT MORNING, THERE WOULD BE MATERIAL THERE UNTIL, IS THIS A 24 HOUR OPERATION? NO, BUT IT'S THE BUILDING.
WELL, I MEAN, WHAT I MEAN IS DO PEOPLE WORK THERE 24 HOURS? NO, NO, NO.
BUT THEY STAGE FOR THE MORNING AND THEN THEY'RE WORKING ALL AFTERNOON FOR THE NEXT DAY.
I MEAN, THERE'S TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE ALL DAY LONG.
SO WHAT I'M VISUALIZING IS THERE'S GONNA MATERIAL MATERIALS OUT THERE ALL THE TIME, EITHER WAITING TO BE PICKED UP OR BEING PUT THERE FOR THE NEXT DAY.
THERE WILL LIKELY BE SOME LEVEL OF MATERIAL, BUT IT WON'T BE TO THIS EXTENT.
AND I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT, UM, SINCE THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS AND ALL THEY'RE GONNA DO IS PUT A FENCE AROUND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I HATE AND IT'S DOWN LOW, YOU DON'T SEE IT AT ALL WHEN YOU'RE ON DRIVING BY.
BUT I HATE THE IDEA OF IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR CITY, YOU'VE GOT BUILDING MATERIALS STORED OUTDOORS AND I HATE IT.
WHAT I, WHEN I SEE IT AT RURAL KING, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
AND SO THAT'S WHY, UM, I AM, I AM TRYING, I'M TRYING TO BALANCE THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS THAT THEY HAVE AT THE OTHER, ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, NOT CREATE A SITUATION THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT FOR THREE YEARS ABOUT HOW BAD IT LOOKS.
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MY CONCERN ABOUT THE FENCE IS THAT TENDS TO BE PERMANENT.RIGHT? UH, AND SO ONCE THEY MAKE THAT INVESTMENT, IT ENDS UP BEING THERE FOR FOREVER AND IT'S A HUGE, HUGE FIGHT.
UM, ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, AND I THINK THEY'VE GOT OPERATIONAL CHALLENGE.
I THINK THEY'VE GROWN, OUTGROWN THIS SITE.
UM, BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE HAD, I'M WONDERING WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE FED SAYS BECAUSE SECURE, WHEN YOU, YOU CAN LOOK DOWN OVER TOP OF IT, THAT FENCE IS NOT GONNA HIDE ANYTHING.
IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT MEANT TO HIDE ANYTHING.
IT'S MEANT TO SECURE THE MATERIAL SO THAT AT ONE IN THE MORNING OKAY, YOUR, YOUR MIDNIGHT CONTRACTOR ISN'T GOING AND STEALING TWO.
A PALLET OF, YOU KNOW, TWO SHAKES, TWO SQUARES OF, UH, OF ROOF SHAKES.
UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED BARBED WATER AND I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE WHERE WE SAY NO BARBED WATER.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO ADD THAT TO A, AS A CONDITION.
WELL WE NEED TO PUT THAT IN SOMEWHERE.
THAT'S, IT'S NOT THERE EITHER.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS OVER THE WEEKEND AND LOOKING AT THE CODE.
AND THAT'S A DEFICIENCY I THINK THAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE IS THAT WE DON'T PROHIBIT BARBED WIRE OR RAZOR WIRE IN OUR COMMERCIAL AREAS.
AND I DON'T THINK IT BELONGS THERE AT ALL.
WELL I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WHERE I SAID NO BARBED WIRE AND I DEFINITELY, WE DON'T WANT THAT.
UM, AND THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION.
UM, THE LOCATION OF THE TREES.
NOW SOME OF 'EM ARE DEAD AND SOME OF 'EM ARE TO BE REPLACED, BUT IS THE LOCATION OKAY? YEAH.
AND IS IT TOO CLOSE? ARE THEY TOO CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK? HAVE THEY GROWN UP TOO BIG AND THEY'RE, AND THERE'RE A PROBLEM? OR ARE THEY OKAY WHERE THEY ARE? NO, I THINK THEY'RE PERFECTLY FINE WHERE THEY ARE.
UH, EXCEPT THAT I'M, I HAVE TO SAY I'M DISAPPOINTED THEY'RE NOT HERE TO, I GUESS SAY DEFEND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR
WELL, WHICH, WHICH WAS MY SUGGESTION MAYBE OF, OF TABLING THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING.
'CAUSE WE ALSO HAVE A LIGHT AGENDA AT THE NEXT MEETING, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT NECESSARILY THEIR ADVOCATE.
UM, BUT SO PRESENTING THE CASE, MS. THOMAS, UM, SO LIKE YOU SAID, WHEN YOU PUT A FENCE UP, IT'S KIND OF PERMANENT.
YOU'RE PUTTING MATERIALS IN THERE, IT HAS TRASH INVOLVED IN IT, HAS WRAPPING, STUFF LIKE THAT.
WHAT'S TO KEEP THAT AREA FROM BECOMING A HUGE TRASH CAN? I MEAN NOW THAT YOU'VE GOT IT SEALED OFF, YOU'RE STAGING IT, THE WEEDS GROWING UP AND CRACKS IN THE PARKING LOT, WHAT'S TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING? SO OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS WOULD STILL APPLY.
THIS WOULDN'T ABSOLVE 'EM OF THAT, UH, THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
IT PROBABLY BECOMES MORE, UH, PUTS A LITTLE BIT, I DON'T WANNA SAY AN ONUS ON UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT THEY WOULD JUST, PART OF THEIR ROUTINE CHECKS WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THAT, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UH, WE'RE CONSTANTLY BATTLING FENCE LINES IN COMMERCIAL AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, STUFF JUST COLLECTS AS THE WIND BLOWS.
AND PROPERTY OWNERS, A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS TAKE CARE OF IT.
A LOT OF 'EM, I SHOULD SAY, SOME OF THEM, IT'S JUST AN AFTERTHOUGHT 'CAUSE THEY DON'T SEE IT EVERY DAY.
SO OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT FOLKS ARE OUT THERE EVERY DAY TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, SO THEY'LL STAGE MATERIAL OUT THERE IN THE FENCED AREA.
THEY LOAD THEIR TRUCKS, THEY STAGE 'EM IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THEY LOAD 'EM, THE TRUCKS LEAVE, THEN THEY REFILL THAT AFTERNOON OVERNIGHT, AND THEN THEY STAGE THE TRUCKS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AGAIN.
SO THAT'S THE ROTATION, RIGHT? YEAH, PRETTY MUCH IN THIS AREA.
AND THEY'RE DOING THAT CURRENTLY? YES.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF STAGING THE MATERIAL IN THE PARKING LOT.
SO THEY DON'T, I DON'T THINK THEY STAGE ANY HIGH VALUE MATERIAL IN THE PARKING LOT.
THEY STAGE SOME LOW VALUE, HARD TO STEEL STUFF IN THE PARKING LOT.
BUT ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE LIGHT OR EASY TO WALK OFF WITH THAT STUFF STAYS IN THE BACKYARD RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS OPERATIONALLY GOING TO MAKE THEM MORE EFFECTIVE CORRECT.
TO FOR THE HOURS THAT THE FOLKS ARE WORKING FOR DELIVERY TIMES TO WORK SITES, THAT KIND OF STUFF? YEAH.
AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO BASICALLY RUNNING OUT OF ROOM IN THE BACK.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TRUCKS THEY CURRENTLY STAGE OUT THERE? I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
UM, THINKING ABOUT IT, IT'S PROBABLY FIVE, BUT I DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE WHAT I SEE WHEN I COME AND GO PAST THERE.
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I THINK THEY ILLUSTRATED SIX.I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE A VISION OF BULL KING.
YOU KNOW, AND I WALK AND, AND I'LL BRING UP EVEN KIND OF OFF THE TOPIC OF THESE GUYS, BUT YOU, IF YOU DRIVE BEHIND LIKE HOBBY LOBBY, UM, IN THOSE AREAS, IT'S CONSTANTLY FULL OF TRASH PALLETS.
UM, THE ROCKS ARE FALLING DOWN.
NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO AN AREA THAT'S OUT SIGHT OUT OF MIND.
AND MY CONCERN IS, IS WITH A FENCED OFF AREA, IT APPEARS TO BE HIDDEN OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND.
SO I, I HAVE GREAT CONCERNS OVER, I CERTAINLY WANT A COMPANY TO BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE.
UM, I, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOTTOM LINE.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT COMES AT THE COST OF, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, IT IS A, IT'S, IT'S A HIGHLY TRAVELED CORRIDOR.
I THINK THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S THE MAIN CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE BALANCING HERE IS IF THERE'S A HIGH VISIBILITY CORRIDOR.
UM, YES, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT THEY ARE GOOD CORPORATE CITIZENS.
UM, THEY, THEY, THEY MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, THEY KEEP IT UP.
UM, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN AN ISSUE WITH US.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY, MAYBE NOT THE CASE.
UM, OR AT LEAST MORE DIFFICULT TO CORRAL.
UM, SO FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, I TEND TO GIVE THIS GROUP MORE OF THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A CHANGE TO THE PLAN, UH, TO THE, TO THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I CERTAINLY RESPECT THE FACT THAT THEY'VE BEEN GOOD CITIZENS.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN GOOD CORPORATE CITIZENS.
SO I THINK IT, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THEM TO BE HERE TO EXPLAIN BETTER WHAT THEIR OPERATIONAL NEEDS REALLY ARE.
THE JUST, AND I GUESS THIS WOULD BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THEM, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THEY LOADED THEIR TRUCKS AT NIGHT BEFORE THEY PARKED THEM, SO WHEN THEY COME BACK FROM THEIR DROP OFF AND THEY'RE GETTING READY TO PARK, COULDN'T THEY LOAD 'EM RIGHT THEN AND THERE, THEN PARK THEM.
AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE MATERIALS LAID OUT OVERNIGHT.
THE MATERIALS ARE ACTUALLY SITTING ON THEIR TRUCKS.
SO WHEN THEIR DRIVERS GET THERE AT 6:00 AM THEY'RE ROLLING OUT WITHOUT LOAD AND THEN THEY CAN STILL STAGE DURING THE DAY FOR WHEN THE TRUCKS COME BACK, BLOW 'EM, PARK 'EM.
SO I THINK IF, IF THESE WERE BOX TRUCKS, I WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY.
THESE ARE ALL FLATBEDS THAT I THINK THAT THE MATERIAL IS NOW JUST EYE LEVEL FOR SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO, TO WALK OFF WITHOUT IT.
I THINK THAT'S THEIR CHALLENGE.
AGAIN, I'M SPEAKING FOR THEM, BUT, UM, MY, MY OBSERVATION IS THESE ARE ALL FLATBED TRAILERS.
SO HOW WE POSSIBLY COULD, BUT, BUT HOW IS THE FENCE GONNA STOP ULTIMATELY STOP LEAK? I MEAN IT'S IT'S A VIOLENT FENCE.
HOW, WHAT'S THAT? HOW IS THAT SECURITY LEVEL GONNA BE MAINTAINED TO ENSURE, IF THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS FENCING IS FOR, IS TO ENSURE SECURITY? I MEAN, IT'S A VINYL FENCE ON CONCRETE.
HOW IS IT, YOU KNOW? WELL, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A, IT WOULD BE AN EIGHT FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT'S COATED IN, IN, IN VINYL THAT WOULD BE EMBEDDED INTO THE CONCRETE.
IT'S NOT THE TEMPORARY FENCING THAT'S JUST ON THE LITTLE, UH, THE BASE.
SO THIS WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY PERMANENT FENCING IN THERE.
NOW WHAT OTHER SECURITY CAMERAS? I, WE DIDN'T GET INTO THAT.
IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE, UM, A, A PHYSICAL DETERRENT FOR SOMEBODY.
IF SOMEBODY IS REALLY DETERMINED TO GET BEHIND THE FENCE, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SCALE IT.
BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT SOME EFFORT IN GOING OVER AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.
I MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO TABLE THIS.
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION IF I MAY.
UM, BEFORE THEY STAGED OUT HERE, DID THEY DO THEIR STAGING FROM THE BUILDING? DO THEY, I MEAN, DO THEY HAVE LIKE THOSE BIG DOORS WHERE THEY GO IN AND GET LOADED IN THERE? IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A MIXTURE DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF MATERIAL FOR WHAT SOME OF IT IS UNDERCOVER.
WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY OPENED, IS THAT, WAS THAT THEIR INTENT AND IS THAT WHAT THEY DID? WELL, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY DID.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I WAS NOT AROUND FOR, FOR, FOR THIS.
BUT, UM, FOR THEIR HIGH VALUE STUFF, IT IS LOCKED BACK BEHIND THE FENCE IN THE YARD.
SOME OF IT'S UNDERCOVER, SOME OF IT ISN'T.
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UM, I THINK THEY ARE LOOKING TO MOVE MORE OF THEIR HIGH VALUE STUFF OUT AT NIGHT FOR STAGING FOR THE, FOR THE MORNING RATHER THAN HAVING TO SORT OF NAVIGATE THE, THE PRETTY CROWDED YARD.I'M SORRY AGAIN THAT THEY'RE NOT HERE, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE HEARD THAT WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS.
AND, UM, ARE THESE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE HAD BEFORE YOU'VE HEARD THEM TONIGHT? OR DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US ABOUT HOW TO HANDLE THIS? BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN A GREAT BUSINESS.
THEY'RE QUIET, THEY DON'T BOTHER ANYONE.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE MAIN CORRIDOR AND, AND TO, FOR US TO TELL THEM IT'S OKAY TO JUMP THIS UP, WHICH IT COULD POSSIBLY BE IF IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE ROOF.
SO I'VE STRUGGLED WITH THIS ONE.
UM, IN THAT I, I I STRUGGLE WITH THE PERMANENCY OF THE FENCING SIDE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THEIR, UM, THEIR OPERATIONAL NEEDS AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THEIR EFFICIENCY OF THEIR OPERATIONS.
IF THIS, IF THIS SITE WERE FLAT AND THIS WERE JUST A NORMAL PARKING LOT AND THE SIDEWALK THAT GRADE, I WOULD RECOMMEND DENIAL EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UM, 'CAUSE THIS IS PRETTY HIDDEN I THINK.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD, IT'S A BAD DIRECTION.
THAT BEING SAID, WE'VE HAD BAD EXPERIENCES ACROSS THE STREET WITH HOW IT, HOW THINGS KIND OF BALLOON.
UM, AND I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
THIS IS A, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WHOLESALE SUPPLIER.
THEY DON'T HAVE PEOPLE JUST RANDOMLY COMING OFF THE STREET TO LOOK AT THEIR STUFF.
YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE BUYING, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT EVEN GOING THERE.
YOU'RE JUST ORDERING IT FROM THE SALES PERSON AND THEY DELIVER.
UM, SO I THINK THE, THE LIKELIHOOD OF IT TURNING INTO A PROBLEM IS PRETTY LOW.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, AGAIN, OFF OF TAYLORSVILLE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE MUCH OF IT OFF OF, UH, OLD TROY PIKE.
THE OTHER OPTION THAT, UM, WE COULD DO IF, IF THE COMMISSION SO CHOOSES, UM, WE COULD HAVE 'EM, WE COULD HAVE 'EM BUFFER WITH ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS, BUT I THINK THE PLANTINGS WOULD LIKELY DIE.
SO, I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU COULD ADD SOME EVERGREENS ALONG BOTH FRONTS OF THE, THE FENCING SAYING HERE AND HERE.
BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY WITH SO MANY TRUCKS GOING THROUGH AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SAW, CUT A LOT OF MATERIAL OUT OF A PARKING LOT, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA GET HIT.
IT'S NOT SET UP FOR IT AND WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF DEAD PLANNING MATERIAL IN FRONT OF A CHAIN OF DEFENSE.
SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WORSE THAN DOING NOTHING.
WELL, I KNOW YOU'RE THE PROFESSIONAL, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THIS PARTICULAR PARTICULAR PROPERTY SAT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS BEFORE ANYONE WANTED TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT BECAUSE IT IS DOWN 'CAUSE OF THE ELEVATION.
AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE PERFECT PEOPLE IN THERE THAT IF YOU HAVE CONFIRMED, HAVE NOT CAUSED A PROBLEM.
AND I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THEM, BUT I WANT THEM TO HEAR OUR CONCERNS.
YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU HIT THAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPOT ON.
THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T NEED A LOT OF VISIBILITY SO THEY CAN BE BELOW GRADE AND KIND OF BE HIDDEN BEHIND THE TREES BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING IF YOU'RE BUYING STUFF FROM THEM, YOU'RE NOT JUST CASUALLY DRIVING BY AND LIKE, OH, I NEED A PALLET OF SHINGLES.
SO MR. SHOPPER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS DISCUSSION UNTIL WE CAN UNTIL OCTOBER 14TH.
UNTIL OCTOBER 14TH WHERE WE CAN HAVE THEM PRESENT TO HEAR OUR CONCERNS.
I SECOND SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE MS. THOMAS? YES.
UH, WE WILL TABLE THIS MINOR CHANGE, UH, TILL OCTOBER 14TH.
NEXT ITEM, UH, ADDITIONAL BUSINESS.
WE HAVE NONE APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTION TO THE MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 12TH, 2025 PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE APPROVED.
AND HEARING NO OBJECTIONS, THEY ARE APPROVED REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW.
SO FOR THE OCTOBER 14TH MINUTE, UH, MEETING, WE HAVE THIS CASE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, DUBLIN SEVEN JUST SUBMITTED THEIR, UM, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION FOR
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A RESTAURANT ON EXECUTIVE AWARD.SO, UM, WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE THAT CASE AS WELL.
OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVEN'T BEEN MADE AWARE OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS COMING DOWN THE PIKE FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING YET.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? YES.
I JUST WANNA MENTION THE DATE CHANGES THAT WE'RE DOING THE NOVEMBER MEETING IS GONNA BE CHANGED TO THE 18TH, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
THE 18TH, THE DECEMBER MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO, UM, THE VERY NEXT DAY INSTEAD OF TUESDAY THE NINTH.
I'LL SEND OUT A MESSAGE ABOUT THAT.
NOVEMBER, I HAVE NOVEMBER 19TH PLANNING COMMISSION AT SIX O'CLOCK AND IT WAS RESCHEDULED WEDNESDAY.
IS THAT NOT RIGHT? YOU'RE CORRECT.
IT'S MOVED TO THE 19TH THE FOLLOWING WEDNESDAY.
IS THAT RIGHT? YOU TOLD ME TUESDAY.
LEMME SEND OUT A CORRECTED EMAIL TOMORROW.
IT'S GONNA BE ON TUESDAY, I DON'T KNOW.
ANYONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? STAND ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR COMING TONIGHT.