Sep 02, 2025 Council Work Session

[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]

[00:00:20]

HEIGHTS WORK SESSION. WE ARE GETTING STARTED AT 6:03. JUST A BRIEF COMMENT, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, YOU KNOW, FORMER MAYOR FISHER PASSED AWAY, AND WE ARE HOPING TO KEEP THIS MEETING SHORT TONIGHT, SO WE ASK EVERYONE TO KEEP THEIR COMMENTS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE, THAT WAY ONCE THE MEETING IS OVER, WE CAN TRY TO ATTEND THE SERVICE FOR EVERYONE WHO WISHES TO GO, THE PACKET HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE JUST KEEP IT AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE BUT WE WANT TO BE THOROUGH. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.

TONY, IF YOU COULD CALL THE ROLL PLEASE?

[2. Approval Of Minutes]

>> MINUTES, AUGUST 19 OF 2025, THOSE HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED. ANY

[ City Manager Report]

JOHN, GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> A FEW ITEMS HERE TONIGHT, WE HAVE OUR SUMMER MUSIC SERIES, WHICH IS GOING TO HOST AN EVENT THIS SATURDAY. THAT'S HEATHER REDMAN AND THE REPUTATION, ACCORDING TO SARAH SHE HAS A DECENT FOLLOWING, SO IT'LL BE FROM 7:00 TO 10 P.M., THAT WILL BE A CONTINUATION OF THE MUSIC SERIES. WE ARE STILL TAKING SIGN-UPS ON THE WEBSITE ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE AND BY CALLING IN FOR HOUR, WHICH WILL BE THURSDAY, THE 11TH THROUGH SUNDAY THE 14TH. SCIENCE WILL BE TAKEN HERE UNTIL THE EIGHTH AT 5:00 P.M. AND WE WILL PUT A LIST ONLINE AND WE WILL HAVE IT PRINTED LIST AS WELL. OUR CULTURE AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION IS HOSTING THE MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL COMING UP ON SATURDAY, THE 13TH. FROM 11:00 TO 6:00 P.M. FIRE OPEN HOUSE IS SLATED FOR SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 20TH, AND THAT WILL BE AT STATION 22 ON HIKE FROM NOON UNTIL 3:00. AND WE HAVE A POLICE EVENT COMING UP IN OCTOBER, IT'LL BE AT DOGTOWN, IT'LL BE PUPS AND POLICE, THEY WILL HAVE SOME THINGS FOR YOUR PUPS AND YOUR ANIMALS , FREE MANICURES, NAILS, FOR PETS, HALLOWEEN COSTUME, MEET AND GREET WITH LOCAL OFFICERS. THEN WE ARE STILL TAKING APPLICATIONS UNTIL OCTOBER 17 ON OUR GRANT PROGRAM, I TALKED TO ALEX AND JASON TODAY. WE ARE STILL TAKING APPLICATIONS. MORE APPLICATIONS ARE COMING. IN RESPONSE TO THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS EARLIER AGAIN, I KNOW WE WANT TO KEEP THINGS BRIEF, IF SOMETHING SHOULD COME UP, PLEASE EMAIL ME AND I WILL GET IT TO STAF

>> THANKS, JOHN. WE HAVE TIME BEFORE MONDAY'S MEETING.

[ OPWC Application - Water Main Installation - Taylorsville Road]

>> YEP. >> I WILL TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOHN BEFORE WE MOVE ON? NEXT UP IS ITEM 3B, WHICH IS THE OPWC APPLICATIONS. RUSS?

>> THIS LEGISLATION IS AUTHORIZED US HIS TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO DISTRICT FOR OF THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE FOR FUNDING TO HELP CONSTRUCT TAYLORSVILLE ROAD PROJECT. THIS WORK WILL INCLUDE 5400 FEET OF NEW 24 INCH WATER MAINS, ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD RUNNING FROM THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, UP TAYLORSVILLE, TO WILDCAT ROAD. AND WE DID HAVE AN AERIAL MAP INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. NEW PIPE INSTALLED, THAT WILL BE NEXT TO AN EXISTING 24 INCH PIKE THAT IS 35 YEARS OLD, AND IT'S AN EXISTING 20 INCH MAIN FROM THAT POINT, THAT 60 YEARS OLD. THESE EXISTING PIPES ARE THE MAIDEN -- MAIN FEED INTO THE WATER SYSTEM.

THESE BREAKS HAVE TAKEN CLOSE TO A FULL DAY TO REPAIR, AND DURING THAT TIME, THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT IS SHUT DOWN AND WE RELY ON THE WATER TOWERS FOR THE WATER, WHICH WE HAVE ABOUT A DAY AND A HALF'S WORTH OF SUPPLY, SO YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH DRAIN OUR TOWERS DOING THAT REPAIR. BOTH PIPES WILL BE PLACED IN SERVICE

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THIS IS $2.4 MILLION. >> THANK YOU, RUSS, ANY QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS, CERTAINLY ON A PROJECT THAT BIG, ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE MAKE SURE --

>> ONE OTHER THING, THIS WAS IN OUR INTEGRITY STUDY, THAT WAS ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS TO PUT ANOTHER PIPE IN FOR REDUNDANCY.

>> THANKS, RUSS. ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY'S

[ Purchase Of Snowplow Dump Trucks]

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, THIS IS FOR PURCHASE OF TWO NEW SNOWPLOW DUMP TRUCKS IN FISCAL YEAR 2026, AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS A SHORTAGE OR KIND OF A TROUBLESOME AREA OF GETTING CHASSIS ON A TIMELY MANNER NOW. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TWO THAT YOU APPROVED BEFORE 2025. THEY WERE ORDERED BACK IN 2023 AND WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THEM UNTIL THIS YEAR AND THEY WON'T BE DONE UNTIL POSSIBLY DECEMBER OF JANUARY, SO THIS IS SO WE MOVE IN THAT RIGHT DIRECTION .

>> I APPRECIATE THAT, MIKE, ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, I'M SURE THE KIDS ARE HOPING WE HAVE ENOUGH SNOW THAT WE HAVE TO USE ALL OF THOSE MAY BE A COUPLE OF TEACHERS AS WELL. OKAY, ANY

[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount/Contract Extension - GreenTech]

>> WE ARE UNDER CONTRACT, THIS IS THE LAST YEAR FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND LANDSCAPE AGREEMENT WITH GREEN TECH, DURING THE THREE-YEAR CONTRACT, IT'S EXTENDED ALREADY A YEAR, DURING THAT TIME, THEY'VE EXTENDED TWO LARGE PROPERTIES BEING ROSE AND CLOUD, JUST A TRANSITION PERIOD THAT WE ARE IN, WITH DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AND LANDSCAPING AND ADDITIONAL NEW PROPERTIES COMING UP WITH THE CITY, I'M ASKING THIS TO BE EXTENDED ANOTHER YEAR, SO WE CAN GET THE SPECS IN ORDER AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SPECS OUT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE IN THE FUTURE,

[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount - 911 Fleet And Management]

FOR 2027. >> ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE LETTER E. INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR THE 911 FLEET AND MANAGEMENT. THERE WE GO.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THIS LEGISLATION IS TO INCREASE OUR SPENDING AMOUNT WITH OUR CURRENT TURNOUT GEAR PROVIDED , THE VENDOR IS 911 FLEET AND FIRE EQUIPMENT. THEY DO PROVIDE TURNOUT GEAR BASED ON A SOURCE WELL CONTRACT, SO WE KNOW WE ARE GETTING A GOOD PRICE BECAUSE IT'S THROUGH A VETTED VENDOR.

THEY ARE OUR DESIGNATED VENDOR, AND WITH SOME COST INCREASES, AND SOME NEW PERSONNEL, WE JUST NEED TO INCREASE THAT AMOUNT BY

$20,000. >> ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS

[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount - Atlantic Emergency Solutions]

>> THIS IS FOR THE MAINTENANCE, SO OUR AMBULANCE MANUFACTURE, WE USED TO BUY DIRECTLY AND GET OUR MEDIC SERVICED DIRECTLY FROM HORTON AMBULANCE COMPANY. THEY HAVE NOW DECIDED TO USE A DEALER, AND ATLANTIC IS OUR DESIGNATED DEALER SO WE'VE ALREADY BEEN USING ATLANTIC FOR MAINTENANCE OF OUR OLD LADDER TRUCK PARTS, ALSO, THEY DO OUR SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS AND WE HAVE PARTS TO REPLACE ALSO PURCHASES FOR NEW PEOPLE SO, ALL OF THE THINGS COMING TOGETHER HAS REQUIRED US

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THE SPENDING AMOUNT. >> ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? I DIDN'T MEAN THAT LIKE NOBODY CAN TALK.

>> I'LL TALK IF YOU WANT ME TO.

[ Supplemental Appropriations]

>> ANY OBJECTION TO MONDAY? >> NEXT ITEM IS .

>> I HAVE A FEW SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS IN MY, THE FIRST ONE IS $20,455 FOR THE PURCHASE OF FIRE EQUIPMENT AND THIS IS MATCHED BY TWO GRANTS, THAT THE CHIEF HAS RECEIVED. SO HE ASKED THAT THOSE DOLLAR AMOUNTS COULD BE ADDED TO THE BUDGET TO ALLOW US TO USE THAT. THAT IS REALLY NO IMPACT ON THE BUDGET FINANCIALLY. THE NEXT ONE IS $122,944, AND THAT IS FOR ISSUANCE COSTS RELATED TO THE RECENT DEBT ISSUE. IN JULY THE NOTES FROM LAR CAME DUE, AND THE ESTIMATE FOR THOSE WAS NOT QUITE AS LARGE OR IT WAS SMALLER THAN WHAT THE ACTUAL COST CAME IN, AND PART OF THAT IS DUE TO ARBITRAGE REBATES, I MENTIONED THAT BEFORE AT COUNSEL, THAT IS WHEN YOU GET YOUR NOTES, AND THEN YOU INVEST THE MONEY WHILE THE PROJECT IS GOING ON, IN THIS CURRENT RATE ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE RATES ARE HIGH, WE ARE ACTUALLY EARNING MORE INTEREST ON THOSE NOTES, BEFORE THE SPEND DOWN ON THE PROJECT HAPPENS , SO THAT WAY THE IRS COMES IN AND SAYS NO, YOU NEED TO PAY SOME OF THAT BACK. SO THAT'S PART OF THE COST THAT WAS NOT ANTICIPATED IN THE BUDGET, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BUDGET YEAR BUT ONCE AGAIN, NO IMPACT TO THE BUDGET IN A SENSE BECAUSE THE PROCEEDS ARE COVERING THAT. SO, WE HAVE ENOUGH REVENUE TO COVER THE EXPENSES BUT THEY ARE JUST NOT IN THE BUDGET TO SPEND, AND THE LAST ITEM IS, EVERY SO OFTEN I COME TO YOU AND WE RECEIVE DAMAGE TO RESIDENTS HOUSES BY FIRE, THERE'S AN INSURANCE CHECK FOR $40,000 $392.64 AND AS SOON AS THE HOUSES ARE TAKEN CARE OF UP TO STANDARD, THAT DEPOSIT IS RETURNED TO THOSE TWO OWNERS, SO ONCE AGAIN THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM THAT IS ZERO IMPACT FINANCIALLY TO THE BUDGET, SO EVEN THOUGH I'M ASKING YOU FOR THESE DOLLAR AMOUNTS TO BE ADDED TO THE BUDGET, THEY ARE COVERED, ALL THREE OF THEM, BY REVENUES. SO THE NET IMPACT TO THE BUDGET

IS ZERO. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM? OKAY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONE?

>> I SUSPECT YOU WILL WANT TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING?

[ Work Rules/Policies/Personnel Regulations]

>> WE WILL KEEP TRACK OF THAT, NEXT UP, THESE ARE THE WORK RULES POLICIES AND PERSONAL REGULATIONS.

>> WE ARE WORKING WITH THE COMPANY THAT PROVIDES LIBRARIES OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT POLICIES, AS YOU ARE AWARE, WE HAVE A PERSONAL, THAT WE USE, WE ARE ASKING TO DO THINGS DIFFERENT IF WE COULD. USING THAT WILL ALLOW US TO KEEP OUR POLICIES UPDATED, THEY WILL UPDATE ME IF THERE ARE STATE LAWS THAT CHANGE, WE CAN UPDATE THOSE AS WE GO. IT WILL KEEP US IN COMPLIANCE AND KEEP US PROFESSIONAL. SO, I'M ASKING YOU, IN THIS LEGISLATION, THIS LEGISLATION WILL ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS ONLY, SO THIS IS POLICIES SUCH AS EMAIL AND SOCIAL MEDIA, FMLA, DRUG-FREE, NOT NECESSARILY SICK LEAVE OR, BUT IT'S IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT IT DOES AFFECT AND WHO THEY CAN TAKE OFF FOR, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO UPDATE THOSE BECAUSE OF, THOSE ARE COUPLE OF QUICK EXAMPLES I CAN GIVE AND IT WILL ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO ESTABLISH POLICIES IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, I WILL USE COVID FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DID THINGS, SO WE CREATED WHAT WE CALLED ADMINISTRATIVE POLICIES, INSTEAD OF CHASING CHANGING THE MANUAL BUT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS UP TO WHERE

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ANSWER. >> THANKS KATIE, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JOHN ABOUT THIS, AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. I THINK IN THE PAST, WHEN SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE, WE HAD A SERIES OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS THAT WERE DONE, AND RATHER THAN BEING TIED INTO OUR POLICY OR EMPLOYEE MANUAL, WE JUST ADDED ORDERS THAT WERE TYPED UP ALONG OLD PAPER, WE JUST HAD THEM STUCK IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS, SO ALL THE THINGS THAT COUNSEL NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF, OUR PERSPECTIVE OF THINGS, SPENDING MONEY, STUFF LIKE KATE TALKED ABOUT, THOSE WILL STILL COME TO COUNSEL. THIS ALLOWS JOHN AND CITY MANAGERS TO UPDATE THE POLICIES THAT THEY ARE DEALING WITH TO MANAGE THEIR PEOPLE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS WITHOUT HAVING THESE CONTINUAL ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS JUST KIND OF CHECKED INTO THE MANUAL BUT THEY BECOME PART OF THE POLICY MANUAL THAT DEALS WITH THE POLICIES WHERE WE CAN UPDATE THESE THINGS. SO IF YOU DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CERTAINLY FEEL FREE TO ASK THEM NOW OR IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT COME UP, FEEL FREE TO TALK TO JOHN, ALL OF THIS WOULD IMPACT HOW THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS WOULD BE, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THIS IS, WHAT THEY ARE ASKING US

TO DO. NANCY? >> I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THIS APPROACH. BUT I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IN THERE, YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU INCLUDE CASE LAW, AS A JUSTIFICATION FOR MAKING CHANGES, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD CASE LAW CITED IN PAST YEARS, I WOULD THINK THAT IF AN ISSUE BECOMES A QUESTION OF CASE LAW, THAT MIGHT BE ONE THAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER BRINGING TO COUNSEL FOR

AN AGREEMENT -- >> MOST DEFINITELY, EVERY POLICY THAT WE WILL PUT OUT THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT JOHN COULD PROVE THAT WOULD GO TO OUR LAW DIRECTOR FOR APPROVAL. SO EVERYTHING WOULD BE VETTED THROUGH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL.

>> AND WHEN WE WENT THROUGH COVID, WE HAD TO WAIT FOR THE STATE TO GIVE US AUTHORITY FOR REMOTE MEETINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WILL THAT STILL BE THE CASE OR WILL THIS GIVE OUR CITY MANAGER THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT?

>> I WON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE WHAT YOU DO HERE. YOUR MEETINGS AND THOSE THINGS FROM THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, THAT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE EMPLOYEES. THIS IS FOR EMPLOYEES DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS. SO YOU GUYS WOULD BE GETTING APPROVAL FOR REMOTE MEETINGS FROM THE STATE.

>> THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WAS CHANGING THE CHARTER

] >> NO, IT WOULD ONLY BE LIKE IN EXTREME CASES. AND YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE CHARTER FOR

THAT. >> THINGS AROUND POLICY .

>> YOU WILL STILL SEE EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE CHARTER, THAT'S TO BE BROUGHT IN FRONT OF COUNSEL AS KATIE SAID. IT REALLY STREAMLINES THE PROCESS FOR US AND ENABLES US TO GET THE POLICIES OUT QUICKER. SHE FEELS MY FRUSTRATION WHEN I CAME IN, I MEAN WE ARE WORKING ON A POLICY, I MEAN, IT'S OLD, WE ARE TRYING TO UTILIZE SOME RESOURCES OUT THERE AND IT HAS YOU KNOW, VETTED UPDATED POLICIES FROM A COMPANY THAT REALLY LOOKS AT GOVERNMENTAL POLICIES AND KEEPS US UP-TO-DATE. THEY TELL US WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE, KEITH BROUGHT ONE OUT BEFORE, YOU KNOW THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LACTATION POLICY, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT WHEN WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE PREGNANT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO IT OPENS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, LET ME OF THINGS THAT WE WEREN'T EVEN AWARE OF THAT WE WERE TRYING TO UPDATE AND MAKE THEM MORE USER-FRIENDLY FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND THAT'S ALL WE ARE TRYING TO DO, PUT THOSE IN PLACE QUICKER AND FASTER FOR THEM AND REALLY THINGS THAT YOU GUYS WOULDN'T WANT TO BE IN THE KNOW ABOUT, IT'S NOT A HUGE CHANGE FOR YOU

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GUYS. >> OKAY.

>> GOOD QUESTIONS, ANYTHING ELSE?

[ Opioid Settlement Participation]

>> NEXT UP, THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT PARTICIPATION?

>> MAYOR, COUNCIL, A LOT OF PAVING PROJECTS. MADE IT JUST IN

TIME. >> WHERE YOU AT BUCKY'S?

>> I DID DRIVE BY, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A DISCUSSION REGARDING A RESOLUTION, WE HAVE ANOTHER OPIOID SETTLEMENT THAT MEETS THE AUTHORIZATION FROM COUNSEL TO HAVE THE CITY MANAGER SIGN. WITH DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WE PUT OUT A RESOLUTION THAT ALLOWS US WHEN WE RECEIVE THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS, OR ANY ADDITIONAL SETTLEMENTS, THE CITY MANAGER CAN AUTHORIZE THE GO AHEAD AND SIGN THOSE AGREEMENTS, THEY ARE ALL DIGITAL FORMS, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE ARE GOING TO GET IN THE NEXT ONE, SO THE DEADLINE FOR THIS CURRENT ROUND IS THE END OF THIS MONTH, SO WE WILL KNOW DEPENDING ON WHAT JURISDICTIONS BETWEEN CITIES, TOWNSHIPS AND VILLAGES ARE PARTICIPATING. SO, THIS RESOLUTION WILL KIND OF SPEED UP THE PROCESS. I PUT SOME INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET REGARDING SOME OF THE FUNDS BREAKDOWN , HOW IT'S BROKEN DOWN, HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE.

OUR AUDITOR OF STATE HAS ALLOWED US TO UPFRONT THE COST FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURES, FOR EXAMPLE, WE USE A LOT OF THESE FUNDS FOR OUR CANINE PROGRAM, SO WHAT WE CAN DO NOW IS GO BACK AND REIMBURSE THAT FUND. SO JIM WILL BRING A SUPPLEMENTAL TO TRANSFER THE FUNDS FROM THE OPIOID FUND INTO THE POLICE FUND, SO JUST A FEW NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THERE, WE ARE ALSO IN DISTRICT 8, WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY GOES TO THE REGIONAL. WE CAN AS A COMMUNITY APPLY FOR GRANT MONEY THROUGH THE REGION AS WELL, I PUT A PACKET OF WHO IS ON THE BOARD, AND IT IS ESTABLISHED BY LAW, THE LARGEST CITY, THE LARGEST TOWNSHIP, THE ASSOCIATIONS ALL HAVE THAT AS WELL AND YOU CAN SEE THE FUNDS THAT THEY DISTRIBUTED FOR REGION EIGHT IN 2024. SO, SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO SUPPORT , MONEY WE RECEIVE AT HUBER HEIGHTS, 22,000, THAT WILL BE REIMBURSED THIS YEAR, TO THE POLICE FUND TO SUPPORT OUR CANINE PROGRAM AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO LOOK BACK AT THE PREVIOUS EXPENDITURES FROM THE BEGINNING. WE ANTICIPATE ANOTHER 26,000 THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO TRANSFER FROM THE OPIOID FUND BACK INTO THE POLICE FUND, THEN, NEXT YEAR, WE ALREADY HAVE ABOUT $19,200 OF EXPENDITURES SET ASIDE SO FAR IN THE BUDGET TO GO TOWARDS SUPPORTING THE CANINE PROGRAM. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. >> ALEX, SO, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK, NOBODY, NOBODY IS NOT IN FAVOR OF OUR CANINE UNIT AND HELPING FUND THOSE, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE HAVE OTHER NEEDS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS LEGISLATION WASN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO DICTATE WHERE THE FUNDING WENT, WITHOUT COUNSEL BEING ABLE TO SEE AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WHERE THE FUNDING WAS GOING TO GO. DID SOMETHING CHANGE?

>> FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, WE WILL BE ABLE TO, DURING THE PROJECT, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SEE US, TO LOOK FOR, OR GRANTS THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR, WE CAN CERTAINLY ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS FOR THE 2026 BUDGET. WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED LAST YEAR WAS, WE HAD THE FUND BUILDING UP, AND WE IDENTIFIED, WELL THERE'S ONLY FOUR AREAS, AS I PUT IN THE JUSTIFICATION THAT WE CAN SPEND IT ON, OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN PUT IT TOWARDS DETECTION, PREVENTION, WE CAN ALSO PUT IT TOWARDS EXTRA PATROLS OR WORKING WITH THE COUNTY RECOVERY UNIT. WE ALSO COULD PUT IT TOWARDS TREATMENT PROGRAMS AND PREVENTATIVE PROGRAMS WHETHER THAT'S EDUCATION IN SCHOOL SYSTEMS, THROUGH OBVIOUSLY OUR POLICE DIVISION, OR, WE CAN ESTABLISH OTHER PROGRAMS AS WELL. AS THIS

[00:25:02]

>> BASICALLY, WHAT THIS LEGISLATION IS DOING IS BASICALLY ALLOCATING THE MONEY FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ALLOCATED FROM 2024-2025 AND ONCE WE START THE BUDGET PROCESS IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE AND HAVE A COUNCIL DISCUSSION AROUND ALLOCATING THESE FUNDS FOR 2026.

>> CORRECT. >> IT WILL BE OUTLINED IN DETAIL. THIS RESOLUTION JUST BEATS THE PROCESS UP OF ALLOWING THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS THAT COME AS A REVENUE SOURCE TOWARDS THAT FUND.

>> THANKS, ALEX. >> YEAH BUT I THOUGHT LAST YEAR WHEN YOU ARE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT BEING CREATIVE WITH THE FUNDS, SO I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE WANTING IT TO GO TO THE CANINE STUFF THIS YEAR, THIS IS KIND OF BACK STEPPING TO ME.

>> IT WAS PART OF THE 2024-2025 ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT COME IN, WE CAN PUT IT TOWARDS OTHER

PROGRAMS IN THOSE CORE AREAS. >> I'M VERY AWARE OF THIS. I JUST, NOT THAT I'M AGAINST THE DOGS, BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN BE SOMEWHAT CREATIVE WITH THIS MONEY, NOT GO ALL TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE NEED TO START SOMETHING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, AT RISK KIDS, STUFF LIKE THAT. I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR DOGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YES, THERE'S GOING TO BE MONEY, YES, IT'S THERE FOR MANY YEARS BUT IT'S NOT GUARANTEED HOW MUCH, WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK WE CAN MAKE A GOOD JUMPSTART OF GETTING SOMETHING STARTED WITH THESE FUNDS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. SO, I'M NOT REALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS, JUST BECAUSE I WANT IT TO BE CREATIVE, NOT REIMBURSEMENT FOR STAFF WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR.

>> CERTAINLY WE CAN USE THESE FUNDS AS A LOCAL MATCH AND PUT IT TOWARDS A REGIONAL PROGRAM AS WELL, SO WE, AS A LOCAL JURISDICTION CAN APPLY TO THE REGION EIGHT, FOR PROGRAMS AS WELL. SO WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY TWO BUCKETS OF FUNDS THAT WE CAN PUT TOWARDS A PROGRAM, FOR EXAMPLE IF WE SAY AT RISK KIDS, --

>> MONEY AT REGION EIGHT AS WELL AND WE CAN ALSO PARTNER WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LONG LIST OF PROGRAMS THAT WERE PROVIDED THAT WERE APPROVED BY REGION EIGHT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE NEXT GRANT PERIOD BEGINS.

>> IT WAS LAST APRIL AND WE'VE BEEN WAITING ANXIOUSLY.

>> I KNOW THEY HAD A MEETING IN JUNE, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF

THE MINUTES FROM THAT. >> THEY HAD A MEETING, IT'S THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH, IT'S THE -- THEY RELEASE THE TOTAL DOLLARS FOR EVERY REGION, THEY JUST DIDN'T SAY WHEN THEY

WERE RELEASING THE GRANT. >> I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE REGION EIGHT COMMITTEE THAT GOT TOGETHER A VERY LAST MINUTE IN JUNE, I BELIEVE, SO YES, THE STATE SAYS HERE'S HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE, EACH OF THE REGIONS GET THIS AMOUNT IN THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS AFTER THAT, WE GET A SPREADSHEET FROM THE STATE THAT SHOWS HOW MUCH FUNDS WE ARE ANTICIPATING AND RECEIVING FOR

THAT YEAR. >> FOR CLARITY FOR COUNSEL, THIS LEGISLATION TO STOCKS ABOUT HOW THE SETTLEMENTS ARE ACCEPTED BY THE CITY, IT DOESN'T BUDGET ANYTHING TO ANY SPECIFIC --

>> WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU TO BUDGET TOWARDS ANYTHING, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW SOME OF THE USES OF THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE DONE, THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE 25 BUDGET, AND BEFORE WE GO INTO THE 26 BUDGET, WE WILL DEFINITELY SOLICIT THE INPUT OF

COUNSEL. >> YEAH, JUST MY OPINION, TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THAT WE DON'T GO INTO THE TREATMENT ARENA DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR TREATMENT, THEY'RE ABLE TO BUILD MEDICAID WHICH IS THE LARGEST NUMBER THAT'S GOING TO IT. WE NEED TO GET CREATIVE AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT, I FEEL, YOUTH IN OUR AREA, THAT'S, WE NEED HELP, THAT'S GOING HOME TO YOU KNOW, THIS AT THEIR HOUSES, AND HAVING SOME ACTIVITIES OR SOMETHING THAT THEY CANNOT HAVE TO GO HOME TO THIS ALL THE TIME. I THINK WE HAVE A CHANCE AS COUNSEL TO BE CREATIVE WITH THIS MONEY AND NOT JUST RUBBERSTAMP

[00:30:09]

STUFF THAT'S IN THERE. >> JUST TO CLARIFY LIKE TONY DID, THIS IS JUST TO STREAMLINE THE ACCEPTANCE PROCESS, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDS, YOU WILL ALL HAVE A SAY

IN THAT. SO, YEAH. >> AND JUST TO, NOT TO PROLONG THE CONVERSATION BUT I WOULD JUST SAY, I THINK WITH THE SOMETIMES PRETTY PASSIONATE IS SOMETHING LIKE YOUTH PROGRAMS, WORKING WITH THE YOUTH ALL THE TIME, I SEE THIS ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY. WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA LAWS, IT'S EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING. I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND I UNDERSTAND AND I GET IT BUT THE MESSAGE THAT WE SENT THE YOUTH, BYPASSING RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA, IS THAT IT'S COOL, IT'S FINE, IT'S NO BIG DEAL, AND WHEN YOU ARE TALKING TO 14 AND 15 YEAR OLD KIDS WHO SMOKE ON A DAILY BASIS WHO SMOKE MARIJUANA, YOU CANNOT TELL ME THAT IT'S NOT AFFECTING THEM IN A NEGATIVE WAY. IT JUST IS. AND ONE PERSON OR TWO PEOPLE OR A FEW TEACHERS AND SCHOOL CANNOT OVERTURN WHAT THE STATE AND THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE STATE HAVE SAID IS NOW OKAY. AND UNTIL WE GET SOME PROACTIVE PEOPLE, EDUCATING THESE YOUTH IN OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT STILL THE DANGERS TO THIS, AS A DRUG , I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO FROM HERE AS A SOCIETY, IT'S JUST GOING TO GET WORSE. AND IT IS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING. ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP KIDS UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ISN'T JUST, NO HARM, NO FOUL, I'M A FAN OF, OKAY. SO BOX, OVER. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ON, AGAIN, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THIS IS STREAMLINING THE ACCEPTANCE PROCESS OF THE FUNDS

[ City Code - Amendments - Citizen Complaint Review Board]

COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD, TONY. >> THE REVIEW BOARD OR CCR BE WAS DEVELOPED BETWEEN THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION AND THE CITY ADMINISTRATION. SO, FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATIONS, CITY COUNCIL PASSED LEGISLATION IN 2023 CREATING THE CCRB. AS WE GOT INTO , IT'S ALMOST 2 YEARS SINCE THE BOARD HAS BEEN CREATED, AS WE'VE GOTTEN INTO THE RECRUITMENT AND ATTEMPTED APPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS OF THE CCRB, WE'VE RUN INTO DIFFICULTIES IN ATTRACTING PEOPLE THAT FIT IN THE VERY NARROWLY DEFINED CRITERIA. FOR INSTANCE, THREE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CCRB AS IT'S CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED ARE SELECTED BY RACIAL CATEGORIES, BASED ON U.S.

CENSUS DATA, SO ONE PERSON FROM THE LARGEST RACIAL GROUP, AND THAT'S IN THE COMMUNITY, ONE FROM THE SECOND LARGEST RACIAL GROUP, ONE FROM THE THIRD LARGEST RACIAL GROUP. THERE IS ALSO MEMBERS APPOINTMENT IS TIED TO THEIR AFFILIATION WITH THE NAACP, THERE'S ONE TIED TO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION, AND ONE HAS TO HAVE A LEGAL BACKGROUND, ONE HAS TO HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND, SO THESE CRITERIA ARE SO VERY NARROW, THAT WE HAVE ATTRACTED VERY FEW APPLICANTS FOR THESE POSITIONS ON THE BOARD. WHEN WE HAVE RECENTLY RECEIVED SOME, AND IN DOING THE INTERVIEWS, JEFFREY WAS A PART OF THE INTERVIEWS, IT BECAME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE INTERVIEW SETTING, AND TYPICALLY, YOU ARE TAUGHT IN INTERVIEWING TECHNIQUE THAT YOU DON'T QUESTION SOMEONE'S ETHNICITY OR RACE, AND IN THIS CASE, SOMETIMES IT WASN'T ALWAYS CLEAR WHAT THE ETHNICITY OF THE APPLICANT WAS, SO WE WOULD HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME WITHOUT ASKING THEM TO ASSESS

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APPROVE PEOPLE TO GET IN. >> THEN YOU HAVE A GOOD APPLICANT THAT'S DISQUALIFIED --

>> THAT'S RIGHT, SO, UNTIL RECENTLY WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY APPLICATIONS DESPITE DOING ONGOING RECRUITMENT, WE RECENTLY GOT FIVE APPLICATIONS PRETTY CLOSE TOGETHER, SO I KIND OF PUT THIS PROCESS IN MOTION TO GET THE INTERVIEW STARTED SO THAT WE COULD CONSTITUTE THE BOARD SINCE IT IS ON THE BOOKS, ONE OF THE PEOPLE WITHDREW FROM THE APPLICATION PROCESS, TWO SHOWED UP FOR THE INTERVIEWS AND WERE VERY GOOD CANDIDATES, BUT BOTH OF THEM FALL INTO THE SAME SET OF CRITERIA, SO WE COULD ONLY APPOINT ONE OF THEM IF WE WERE TO USE THE CURRENT CRITERIA, AND TWO OF THE PEOPLE DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR THE INTERVIEW. WE ARE STILL IN RECRUITMENT MODE BUT I THINK, IF WE WANT TO TRY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, THE LAST OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE TO MODIFY THE CRITERIA IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GET QUALIFIED APPLICANTS TO APPOINT FOR THE MEMBERSHIP. SO, THERE WAS A REDLINE COPY OF THE CHANGES TO THE LEGISLATION, IT BASICALLY SAYS THE BOARD WOULD CONSIST OF NO FEWER THAN FIVE AND NO MORE THAN SEVEN VOTING, WHICH MEANS THAT THE , APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND I KIND OF MIRRORED THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS USED IN THE APPOINTMENTS FOR THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION, THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WILL BE BALANCED TO REFLECT THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY, SHOULD BE ABTO PROVIDE IN-DEPTH KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMMUNITY ISSUES THAT CREATE DISCRIMINATION AND THE ABILITY TO ADDRESS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, AS A SIDE POINT, ONE PART THAT WOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL HAD TWO NONVOTING MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THAT WAS THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE, THAT PART WOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED. SO MOVING FROM THESE VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA TO MORE GENERALIZED CRITERIA TO MEET THE NEED OF THIS BOARD, JEFFREY HAD REACHED OUT TO THE MEMBERS OF THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION AND SHARED THIS INFORMATION. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT, JEFFREY, OR DO

YOU WANT ME TO? >> SURE. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNSEL, LIKE MR. ROGERS SAID, HE TASKS ME TO ASK THE COMMISSION, JUST BACK IN OF THE LANGUAGE, FROM THE MEMBERS I GOT, I WANT TO SAY THERE ARE EIGHT ACTIVE MEMBERS RIGHT NOW, I WANT TO SAY FOUR APPROVED OF THE REVISED LANGUAGE. SO, YOU KNOW, GIVING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO MR. ROGERS. HE FELT COMFORTABLE BRINGING IT TO YOU GUYS TODAY, AS WELL AS I DID.

>> THE OTHER FOUR, WERE NOT OPPOSED TO IT.

>> THAT'S CORRECT, THEY DIDN'T GET BACK TO ME WITHIN THE

TIMEFRAME. >> THANK YOU.

>> FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, JEFFREY, WAS THAT VOTE CONDUCTED, AND I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE THIS AT ALL, BUT WAS THAT VOTE CONDUCTED IN A MEETING OR BY EMAIL, YOU SAID THEY DIDN'T DISAGREE, BUT

DID THEY VOTE? >> YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, CORRECT

ME IF I'M WRONG -- >> I CAN ANSWER THIS.

>> THE INFORMATION WAS DISTRIBUTED THROUGH DEATH JEFFREY THROUGH MEMBERS OF THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION AND SHARED WITH THEM THROUGH THEIR INPUT . A SUMMARY OF THE RATIONALE FOR MAKING THESE CHANGES, JUST BECAUSE OF THE NEED THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL APPLICANTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT, AT THE TIME THAT IT'S TAKEN, WE ASKED THEM TO JUST GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK THROUGH JEFFREY REGARDING THEIR FEELINGS ABOUT THE CHANGES AND THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED AT THAT.

>> SO NO FORMAL VOTE ? >> CORRECT.

>> JUST BASICALLY FEEDBACK. >> DIRECTLY THROUGH ME, HEY, I LIKE IT, I DIDN'T, AND TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE WERE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY

COMMISSION . >> ONE COMMENT FROM ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A RECORD OF HOW THEY VOTED, BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP IN THE FUTURE THAN THEY SAY, WELL, WE DIDN'T AGREE TO THAT, SO WE CAN HAVE THAT VOTE ON RECORD, BECAUSE THEY AND THE POLICE CREATED THIS ENTITY, THE

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>> IT WAS SHARED WITH THE POLICE. WE CAN DO THAT, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. WE JUST WON'T BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT FORWARD

INAUDIBLE ] >> AND THANK YOU, TONY, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES FILLING THESE POSITIONS BUT I WOULD FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE CHANGING IT WITHOUT THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THIS COMMISSION INCLUDING THE POLICE CHIEF BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. SAYING THAT YEAH, SOME AGREE, SOME DISAGREE, THEY CALLED YOU, WE REALLY NEED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD SOMEWHERE.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> JUST TO CORRECT ONE THING YOU SAID, THE COMMISSION CREATED THE BOARD, IT WAS ACTUALLY COUNSEL THAT CREATED THE BOARD. WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE

COMMISSION. >> THE COMMENT I WOULD HAVE IS, WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE BACKWARDS, THE POLICE CHIEF WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSIONS , AND THAT RECOMMENDATION CAME THROUGH AND WE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CCRB AND WHAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO, KIND OF WHAT THEIR ACTIONS AND THINGS WERE, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT MOVE TO TAKE A STEP BACKWARD, I JUST MEAN, I THINK TAKING A STEP BACKWARD WOULD BE KEEPING THE FOUNDATION THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN OR THE CRITERIA, IT'S NOT HELPING US GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE ALL WANT TO BE WITHOUT TAKING A STEP BACK. CHANGING THE CRITERIA AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE MAKES SENSE. I'M FULLY OKAY AND ON BOARD WITH MAKING SURE, IF WE WANT TO TAKE THESE THINGS BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND MAKE AN AGENDA ITEM AT ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS AND HAVE THEM TAKE A FORMAL VOTE ON AGREEING OR DISAGREEING SO WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR THE RECORD THAT SAYS THIS WAS VOTED, THE COMMISSION AGREED. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. MY PERSPECTIVE IS, THAT WE KEEP THIS TRACK MOVING FORWARD. OTHERWISE, IT CAN BE ANOTHER YEARWE ARE SITTING HERE IN THE SAME SPOT AND WE'VE GOT ONE PERSON OR ONE APPLICANT FOR THE BOARD AND NOTHING HAS MOVED FORWARD AND IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR US IN THE PAST TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, TO HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF INVOLVED IN SEVERAL HOURS OF DISCUSSIONS, ALONG WITH THE PREVIOUS INTERIM CITY MANAGER. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO WALK BACKWARDS ON THIS. BUT I AGREE, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF A FORMAL RECORD OF INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION. THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME.

>> IF I MIGHT JUST ADD ONE QUESTION, WHEN IS THE NEXT MEETING OF THE COMMISSION, IS IT THIS UPCOMING THURSDAY? SO EVEN IF WE DO MOVE THIS FORWARD, WE CAN HAVE THE INPUT IN A VOTE

BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, CORRECT? >> WOULD THAT BE TIME TO MAKE IT

IN THE PACKET FOR MONDAY? >> IT WOULD HAVE TWO READINGS, IT COULD GO ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FIRST READING. AND REPORT BACK ON MONDAY. I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN TAKING IT BACK TO THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION THAT THE MANDATE WOULD BE TO SEEK FEEDBACK, NOT VETO POWER OVER

>> I AGREE WITH THAT. >> I'M OKAY WITH MAKING THE CHANGES, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO DRAFTED THIS ORIGINALLY, WHO PUT IN ALL OF THE WORK OVER THE LAST YEAR, KNOWING, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION FOR LIKE A YEAR, SINCE IT STARTED --

>> TWO YEARS. >> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE FOLKS INVOLVED HAVE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN.

>>, EVEN GOING BACK TWO YEARS, WE ALL KIND OF AGREED, TWO YEARS AGO TO TAKE IT TO THE FIRST TIER TO SEE IF WE CAN SEE ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EVERYBODY, AND SOMEBODY FROM THE COMMISSION CAME TO THE MEETING TO DISCUSS IT, AND CHANGED IT, WHAT WE HAD

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THAT OUT. >> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DID TALK ABOUT, AND I WAS EXCITED ABOUT THE FACT THAT FIRST TIER, BEING INVOLVED FROM LOOKING AT THIS , WE THOUGHT IT WAS A WAY TO GET, JUST SO MUCH FEEDBACK FROM MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES IN THE REGION, SO WHEN WE SEE ANYTHING LIKE THIS WHERE WE THINK ANY TYPE OF DISCRIMINATORY ACTIONS HAPPENING HAPPENING, WE ARE LOOKING AT SOLVING THIS PROBLEM AS A REGIONAL ISSUE RATHER THAN JUST A COMMUNITY ISSUE, SO BUT THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE I

DO REMEMBER. >> DOESN'T DAYTON ALREADY HAVE

A CCRB? >> IT'S ACTUALLY EVEN MORE

INVOLVED. >> HERE IT IS, THERE MIGHT BE JURISDICTIONS THAT DON'T WANT OTHER JURISDICTIONS INVOLVED IN

THEIR CITY MATTERS. >> IF IT'S FROM A FIRST TIER PERSPECTIVE, IF THE PEOPLE ARE AGREEABLE, I'M NOT SURE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COULDN'T BE LOOKED INTO.

>> I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DON'T LOOK INTO IT, I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE THIS GROUP WAS ALL FOR IT, DOESN'T MEAN THAT WHEN YOU GET TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, AND EACH OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT IT, AND HOW MUCH OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES TIME WOULD BE INVOLVED IN DEALING WITH THE OTHER

JURISDICTIONS PROBLEMS -- >> I THINK ALL STARTS WITH A

CONVERSATION. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK IS IN THIS TWO YEARS SINCE WE'VE HAD IT, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CASE THAT WOULD HAVE BENEFITED FROM HAVING THIS

BOARD? >> AS WE RECENTLY EXPERIENCED, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE TIME CAME, WE HAD TO SCRAMBLE TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING, THAT WAS MY GOAL, TO TRY TO AVOID HAVING A SITUATION WHERE WE WERE UNPREPARED TO DEAL WITH IT. I THINK THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION THING COULD BE SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING AT. THE ONE THING I WILL POINT OUT IS, WE HAVE THIS ON THE BOOKS , IT WOULD EITHER NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN SOME WAY, FAIRLY

SOON. >> WELL ONE OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS LIKE DAYTON, HAVE TO MODIFY THERE'S, THEN, TO

INCLUDE >> WELL DAYTON IS NOT FIRST

TIER. >> IT'S JUST THE SURROUNDING

AREAS. >> SCOTT?

>> TWO THINGS, I DO LIKE THE FIRST TIER IDEA, GOING THAT WAY, AND HOW LONG IS THIS TERM, I SEE THIS ENDING DECEMBER 31ST BUT

HOW LONG ARE THE TERMS? >> THREE-YEAR TERMS. ] THAT DIDN'T CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION.

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> WHEN IS THE NEXT FIRST TIER

MEETING? >> THE LAST WEDNESDAY OF

SEPTEMBER. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE OBJECTIONS ON HOLDING THIS OFF WITHOUT TAKING ACTION AT AST RIGHT NOW, IMMEDIATELY? TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AT FIRST TIER ONE MORE TIME, SEE WITH THE LEVEL OF INTEREST ISIT'S CHANGED, IF IT'S GOTTEN MORE, COMING BACK AND FOCUSING ON THIS?

>> IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS, I DON'T KNOW IF A FEW WEEKS WOULD BE A HUGE DIFFERENCE BUT I WO LIKE THAT CONVERSATO BEGIN AT A FIRST TIER LEVEL. AND IF THERE'S INTEREST, COUNSEL CAN REGROUP AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE WOUL TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD OR IF ARE BETTER OFF KEEPING IT WITHIN HOUSE, SO TO

SPEAK? >> HOW DOES THAT FIT WITH TAKING

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>> I THINK, LET'S HOLD OFF I MEAN, FOR NOW, WE'VE GOT FEEDBACK. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ARE OKAY WITH, BEFORE WE END UP WITH A VOTE AT THE CITIZENS ACTION COMMUNITY MEETING.

>> AS LONG AS THE CANDIDATES WON'T MIND WAITING .

>> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT WITHOUT TALKING TO THEM. SOME OF THEM, IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF MONTHS SINCE THEY FIRST APPLIED.

WE WERE HOLDING ON UNTIL WE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE A QUORUM.

AND BY THE EARLIER ARGUMENT, SHOULD THE HAVE INPUT GOING INTO

FIRST TIER? >> WELL I THINK, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION , THE CCRB WAS A RECOMMENDATION BY THE COMMISSIONER, AND COUNSEL IS THE ONE THAT MOVE THIS FORWARD ALONG WITH THE POLICE CHIEF. I THINK IT WOULD BE A COUNCIL DECISION ABOUT FIRST TIER, IF COUNSEL , NUMBER ONE, THROUGH AGREEMENT WOULD PREFER TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF EIGHT REGIONAL COMMITTEE , THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE OPTIONS OF FIRST TIER, IF COUNSEL WOULD PREFER THIS BE LOCAL TO HUBER HEIGHTS, THEN WE KIND OF HAVE THE TEMPLATE FOR HOW TO MOVE FORWARD .

>> I DON'T THINK YOU LOSE ANYTHING BY GOING BOTH AVENUES, HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HARM IN LETTING JEFFREY GO BACK TO OUR COMMISSION, TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE AND SEE IF THERE'S A BUY IN FOR SOME CHANGES, WE ALREADY HAVE THIS YEAR, IT'S HERE AND IT'S THERE, AND ON THAT FLIPSIDE, YOU CAN GO TO FIRST TIER AND SEE IF THERE'S REGIONAL ACCEPTANCE AND WE COULD EVEN ALTER WHAT WE DO AFTER THAT POINT BUT YOU ARE KIND OF GETTING BEHIND IF YOU WAIT FOR FIRST TIER AND THEY SAY NO INTEREST AND WE ARE A MONTH AND A HALF, TWO MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK THERE'S NO DANGER IN STARTING THE CONVERSATION AS FRED ASKED, AND GETTING SOME BUY-IN FROM THE COMMISSION ON WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO INITIALLY, HERE, BECAUSE EVEN IF WE PASS THAT HERE, WE CAN LATER ON, CHANGE AND SAY FIRST TIER, WE WILL DO SOMETHING REGIONALLY.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DAMAGE DOING IT THAT WAY.

>> WE COULD PROBABLY GO BOTH TRACKS AT THE SAME TIME.

>> I WILL MIRROR FRED'S COMMENT, AND I WOULD BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A SOLID RECOMMENDATION AND A VOTE BY THE COMMISSION ON A RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF IT WAS COMING TO US WITH THESE CHANGES, TALKED ABOUT AND VOTED ON, EVEN IF THEIR VOTE ISN'T IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, AT LEAST THAT WAY WE WILL KNOW WHAT THEIR OPINION IS. AND AGAIN, I WILL AGREE WITH JOHN, I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT, I THINK THE FIRST TIER IDEA WHEN IT WAS FIRST BROUGHT UP, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF POSITIVES AND JUST WENT AWAY, SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, LET'S HEAR FROM THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION, AND LET'S HAVE THEM DO A FIRM VOTE, COME TO US WITH A RECOMMENDATION AT THE SAME TIME WE CAN WORK ON FIRST TIER.

>> ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ALONG BOTH PATHS?

>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, THAT'S WHY HE IS THE CITY

MANAGER. >> WHAT IS THAT A TWO-PRONGED

APPROACH? >> THIS MIGHT BE A MULTI PRONG

APPROACH. >> ANITA? YOU REFERENCED A MEETING THAT MAY BE SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS OR STAFF WENT TO AFTER COUNSEL HAD SUGGESTED THEY GO, GROUP BUY INTO THIS PLAN AND

THEN IT GOT ALL SPUN AROUND. >> RICHARD AND I WERE THE TWO REPS FROM HUBER, IT'S BEEN OVER TWO YEARS, ONE OF THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY PEOPLE CAME BECAUSE WE CAME -- WE ASKED THAT THIS BE PUT ON THE AGENDA, WE HAD TALKED TO THEM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT REGIONAL AND WHEN THEY SHOWED UP AND DID THE PRESENTATION, THEY MADE IT SO IT WAS JUST HUBER HEIGHTS AND RICHARD AND I WERE LOOKING AT EACH OTHER GOING WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ORIGINAL IDEA. AND WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO KEEP IT

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WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED. >> SO THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING, I'VE REMAINED SILENT THE WHOLE DISCUSSION, AND IT JUST DOESN'T COME TOGETHER . I BELIEVE THAT HAPPENED, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT COUNSEL WAS VERY ENTHUSIASTIC, I REMEMBER THAT.

WHAT WENT WRONG? SO WE WAITED TWO YEARS FOR THIS TO HAPPEN, WE LEARNED TONIGHT, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. IT WAS PRESENTED DIFFERENTLY. LET'S HOPE WE LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES.

BECAUSE, THIS WHOLE ISSUE, I REMEMBER, WE BARELY GOT A PIECE OF LEGISLATION ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE , AND THAT WAS JUST SHORT OF A MIRACLE THAT THAT HAPPENED. IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE DEAL WITH ANYTHING THAT PERTAINS TO THIS, IT GETS

STUCK IN THE MUD SOMEHOW. >> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.

>> WE'VE GOT TO STOP THAT. >> I THINK AFTER THAT FIRST TIER MEETING, AND YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE END UP DEALING WITH SO MANY OTHER THINGS. I HATE THAT I LOST TRACK OF THAT BUT I REMEMBER WHEN THE CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE. THERE WAS LOTS OF SUPPORT ON COUNSEL AT THAT TIME, FOR LOOKING AT A REGIONAL

SYSTEM. >> WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT

IDEA. >> AND WHERE THAT WENT, I HATE THAT WE ARE JUST FINDING OUT NOW BUT CERTAINLY, SOMEBODY PUT THE

KIBOSH ON THAT. >> I'M GETTING PAID TO SET POLICY, I'M NOT GETTING PAID TO MANAGE IT. AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU, JOHN ARE RESPONSIBLE, BUT IT WAS SITUATED IN SUCH A WAY, THERE WASN'T A MEANS OF A CHECK AND BALANCE.

>> KATE? >> COULD WE ASK OUR WONDERFUL CLERK TO PUT THIS ON OUR OCTOBER REMINDER, TO COME BACK, WOULD

THAT BE POSSIBLE? >> WE ARE GOING TO GET INFORMATION FROM THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION BASED ON THEIR MEETING, THEN WE WILL HAVE A FIRST TIER MEETING AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER AND WE WILL GET IT BACK IN FRONT OF THEM TO TAKE THE TEMPERATURE OF WHAT THAT MIGHT BE AND THEN WE WILL HAVE

AN IDEA OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. >> ONE OF THEIR UPDATES, I DID BRING IT UP, THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT REGIONAL BUT THERE WAS SOME OTHER ISSUE GOING ON WITH THE COMMISSION THAT WE ALL KIND OF FOCUSED ON THAT, AND THAT GOT LEFT BEHIND AND I'M LIKE OKAY, I GUESS WE ARE NOT DOING THIS. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT SPUN AROUND BUT THAT HAS BEEN ABOUT TWO YEARS.

>> WHO WOULD HAVE GIVEN THAT PRESENTATION THAT SPUN IT AROUND? WITH THE SOMEBODY FROM HUBER HEIGHTS?

>> IT WAS ONE OF OUR CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY MEMBERS.

>> SOMEBODY ON OUR COMMISSION, WHICH IS FRUSTRATING BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, WE SET POLICY AND SOMEBODY ON OUR VOLUNTEER COMMISSION WENT THERE TO SPEAK AND CHANGED THE MEETING WHAT

COUNSEL HAD ASKED TO HAPPEN. >> OKAY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND

THAT. >> IT WAS ONE OF OUR COMMISSION

MEMBERS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO ARE WE CLEAR MOVING FORWARD, CLEAR AS MUD, RIGHT? LET'S NOT LET THIS GET STUCK IN THE MUD, LET'S FIGURE THIS OUT. IF WE DECIDE TO KEEP IT LOCAL, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THE CHANGES WITH THE

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APPOINTMENT. >> WE CAN SKIP OVER THIS.

>> OKAY, IT'S 7:01, WE ARE A

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