[ A Public Hearing Scheduled For August 11, 2025 By The Huber Heights City Council For Case BDP 25-16. The Applicant Is Rockford Homes. The Applicant Is Requesting Approval Of A Rezoning From Residence District (R1) to Planned Residential District (PR) And A Basic Development Plan For A 104-Lot Subdivision Development For Property Located At 4460 Fishburg Road, Huber Heights, Ohio And Further Described As Parcel Number P70 04007 0009 On The Montgomery County Auditor's Map.]

>> I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.

>> JUST FOR THE RECORD.

>> ITEM NUMBER TEN, UNDER NEW BUSINESS, 10A.

>> A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 11, 2025, BY THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL FOR CASE BDP 25-16.

THE APPLICANT IS ROCKFORD HOMES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REZONING FROM RESIDENCE DISTRICT R1 TO PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT PR AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A 104- LOT SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4460 FISHBURG ROAD, HUBER HEIGHTS, OHIO, AND FURTHER DESCRIBED AS PARCEL NUMBER P70-04007- 0009 ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S MAP.

>> OKAY, SO THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 11, 2025, BY THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL IS NOW OPEN FOR BDP. AARON?

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

SO THE SITE IN QUESTION IS JUST UNDER 40 ACRES.

IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED R1. IT'S RIGHT OFF FISHBURG ROAD.

IT IS CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL. IT'S A FORMER CURRENT WORKINGWORKING FARM.

THE ADJACENT LAND TO THE WEST IS AGRICULTURAL.

TO THE NORTH IS R1, A MIXTURE OF R1 AND PLANNED RESIDENTIAL, THE LEXINGTON SUBDIVISION, LEXINGTONPLACE SUBDIVISION.

TO THE SOUTH IS AGRICULTURAL AS WELL. SOUTH -- ON THE WEST SIDE OF FISHBURG, SOUTH, JUST EAST OF ENDICOTT ROAD.

THERE IS AN EMERGENCY EXIT IN CASE THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS BLOCKED JUST OFF TO THE CUL-DE- SAC ON THE EAST SIDE. THE ROADS DO ALIGN WITH LEXINGTON PLACE.

IT WOULD BE A NEW LARGE RETENTION POND THAT IS CONSTRUCTED ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE SITE AS WELL AS A NEW LIFT STATION THAT WILL THEN CONNECT INTO OUR SYSTEM. THE SITE HAS SOME TOPOGRAPHY CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES. THAT'S ONE REASON THIS SITE IS INTERESTING IS THE SITE SLOPES FROM NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST. THERE'S A LARGE CREEK THAT RUNS ON THE EAST AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE LOT LAYOUTS.

THERE WERE FOUR RESIDENTS THAT DID SHOW UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT LIVE ALONG ALONG ENDICOTT. THEY MENTION DURING RAINS THEIR LANDS DO FLOOD. THEY HAVE WATER RUN- OFF ISSUES WITH THIS SITE. THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE GRADING AS THIS IS DEVELOPED. ALL THAT WATER WILL BE BASICALLY COLLECTED AND STORED IN THE RETENTION POND AND THEN SLOWLY RELEASED INTO THE CREEK. THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDED IN THE APPLICATION BY THE DEVELOPER. A MIXTURE OF ONE AND TWO-STORY

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HOMES. SO AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE, THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE PERMITTED USE IN THE PLANNED SI DISTRICT. THE GROSS DENSITY IS 2. 67 ACRES WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE OPEN SPACE. THE NET DENSITY IS 4. 2, GIVE OR TAKE, DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ALLOWSR A NET DENSITY UP TO VE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE SO THIS PROJECT IS WELL WITHIN THOSE REQUIREMENTS. AS I MENTIONED THERE'S A MIXTURE OF 30 50-FOOT LOTS AND 74 60-FOOT- WIDE LOTS. THE SETBACKS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO LEXINGTON PLACE TO THE NORTH. PRETTY STANDARD SUBDIVISION LOT SIZES. THERE IS A 50- FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE WEST AND THE SOUTH SIDES TO ADD ADDITIONAL SPACING BETWEEN THE EXISTING PROPERTIES. THE UTILITY PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED DOES SHOW THE LOCATION OF ALL THE WATER AND SEWER LINES AND PUBLIC EASEMENTS WHICH IS REQUIRED OF OUR CODE. SIDEWALKS ARE ILLUSTRATED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. STAFF HAS ASKED THAT THE SIDEWALKS ON FISHBURG DENEE THERE'S A 30- FOOT LANDSCAPING EASEMENT ALONG FISHBURG AS WELL.

THERE WERE FOUR RESIDENTS THAT SPOKE IN OPPOSITION AT THE MEETING. THEIR CONCERNS INCLUDED GENERALLY JUST TRAFFIC ALONG FISHBURG, TRESPASSING BY FUTURE RESIDENTS INTO THE WOODS BEHIND THEIR HOUSE, WATER RUN- OFF ISSUES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST, AND THOSE WOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE GRADING OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN JUST GENERAL IMPACTS ON THE HUBER HEIGHTS SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOU RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION.

IT IS STAFF'S OPINION THAT THE REQUIREMENTS IN SECTION 1171- 06 CAN BE MET AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH FOUR CONDITIONS. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH ALL FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS. SECOND, THAT THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCT A SIX- FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG FISHBURG ROAD.

THIRD, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE EXISTING STORM DRAIN EASEMENT TO REFLECT THE BETTER LAYOUT OF HOW THAT STORM -- HOW THAT STREAM ACTUALLY RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY. WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US ACCESS IN CASE WE NEED TO MAKE EMERGENCY CLEANOUTS OF THAT AREA, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED AMENDED PLANS AND THAT EASEMENT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND THEN LASTLY THE WATER AND SANITARY LINES BE PLACED IN PUBLIC EASEMENTS. ANY QUESTIONS OF ME?

>> THANK YOU. WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE. NEXT I WOULD CALL ANY REPRESENTATIVES OF ROCKFORD HOMES TO MAKE ANY COMMENT OR PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF

YOU HAVE SOME. >> THANK YOU. JIM LIPNOS, THANK YOU FOR THE STAFF REPORT. THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT TO ADD FROM THE 2D VIEW IT LOOKS LIKE A TYPICAL SUBDIVISION BUT IT'S CREEKSTONE BLUFF. THERE'S A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE SOUTH AND THE EAST THAT FACES WHERE YARDS WILL BE ON WALKOUT LOTS. JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AS KIND OF UTILIZING THE TOPOGRAPHY FOR KIND OF WHAT I CONSIDER A PRETTY UNIQUE SITUATION.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR

CONSIDERATION. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

NEXT I WILL CALL ON THE DIRECTOR TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF YOU HAVE ANY.

>> NO, I DO NOT.

>> IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OFOF APPROVAL OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE THIS EVENING? OKAY, IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST THE APPROVAL OF THE ISSUE THIS EVENING? OKAY. COME TO THE PODIUM.

>> SORRY I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO REGISTER PRIOR TO --

>> IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING SO NO

NEED. >> THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON FISHBURG, CORRECT? OKAY, I LIVE IN THE LEXINGTON PLACE DIVISION THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THIS ENTRANCE IS GOING TO

BE. >> MM-HMM.

>> I CAN'T SEE ANY WAY THAT THIS MAKES SENSE FOR TRAFFIC, FOR FOOT TRAFFIC, FOR CHILDREN. THERE'S NO LIGHT ON FISHBURG AS IT IS FOR A TURN SIGNAL TO GET THE KIDS SAFELY TO AND FROM THE ELEMENTARY, OR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A WHOLE NEW

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DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO BRING GOD WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC. YOU'RE GOING TO DESTROY PROPERTY THAT WE ALREADY ARE DESTROYING ON CHAMBERSBERG WHERE THE ANIMALS HAVE LITERALLY NO PLACE TO GO. WE HAVE NOTHING IN THIS AREA AS FAR AS ENTERTAINMENT AND EMPLOYMENT TO EVEN JUSTIFY NEEDING MORE HOUSING BECAUSE YOU JUST DID A DEVELOPMENT ON BRANDT. YOU DID A DEVELOPMENT ON BELLEFONTAINE. I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU PRONOUNCE THAT. YOU'RE DOING A DEVELOPMENT ON CHAMBERSBERG. WHERE IS THE NEED? NOBODY IS ADDRESSING, LIKE, HOW THIS EVEN MAKES SENSE IN THIS GENERAL COMMUNITY.

THE TRAFFIC ALONE -- I HAD A SENIOR -- I HAD A KID HERE HERE HUBER HEIGHTS SCHOOLS UP UNTIL AGO. THERE'S NO SAFE FOOT TRAFFIC FOR ANYBODY, I DON'T CARE WHAT SIDEWALK YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT IN ON FISHBURG.

IT'S ONLY ONE WAY. THERE'S NO WAY TO WIDEN THAT ROAD WITHOUT DESTROYING SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.

I GET THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY IN HERE SEES A NEED FOR HOUSING, BUT I DON'T. I LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE I WANTED A RURAL TYPE SETTING.

I ALREADY DON'T LIKE THE HOAS THAT WE HAVE HERE, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE. I DIDN'T SEE ANY SPACE FOR A COMMUNITY PLACE, UNLESS I'M INCORRECT.

SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY CENTER INSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO WHAT PARKING -- WHAT PARKS OR WHAT ENTERTAINMENT OR WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SUPPLY TO THE NEW FAMILIES THAT ARE MOVING IN? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

YOU'RE JUST PUTTING HOUSE AFTER HOUSE AFTER HOUSE, AND WHAT'S THE REPAIR RATE? WHAT'S THE BUILD RATE? HOW QUICKLY ARE THEY GOING UP AND HOW QUICKLY ARE THEY GOING TO BE HAVING ISSUES? WE ALREADY IN OUR DEVELOPMENT HAVE RENTAL COMPANIES THAT HAVE PURCHASED SOME OF THE HOMES THERE. WE HAVE A SPLIT HOA SO NOT EVERYBODY MAINTAINS THEIR PROPERTIES.

WHAT'S IT LOOKS LIKE? WHY? NOBODY HAS GIVEN US A REASON AS TO WHY WE SEE A NEED FOR A WHOLE OTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE AND THIS IN THAT SMALL AREA.

YOU'RE TAKING UP FARMLAND. YOU'RE TAKING UP ANIMAL LAND. YOU'RE MAKING A MESS OF THE TRAFFIC. I'M JUST NOT SEEING IT.

AND I JUST WANT MORE INFORMATION SO THAT I'M PREPARED, BECAUSE, IF NOT, LIKE, I WAS LOOKING AT LIVING HERE ANOTHER 15- 20 YEARS, NOT. MAYBE I TO RECONSIDER WHERE I'M LIEVEN THOUGH I'VE MADE THIS PLACE MY HOME FOR THE LAST 10, 15 YEARS.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. THAT'S MY OPPOSITION.

>> THANK YOU.

>> COULD YOU JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME FOR THE

RECORD? >> DAWN SELLMAN.

>> THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT, MEMBERS OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR REQUEST QUESTIONS OR PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

NANCY?

>> YES. ISTHERE ANY TYPE OF PRESERVATION ZONE BETWEEN WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT BACKS UP TO THE CITIZENS THAT WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT POSSIBLE TRESPASSING?

>> YES, MA'AM, THERE'S A 50- FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE.

>> OKAY. I GUESS I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THERE. AND THE OTHER THING, I SENT AARON A MESSAGE. I LIVE IN A HOME THAT WAS BUILT AND I HAVE A WALKOUT AND I HAVE A DROP- OFF, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW SERIOUS THE TOPOGRAPHY CHANGES IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO ALLOW FOR THE DROP- OFF, AND IT WASN'T UNTIL WE WERE IN THE HOUSE FOR A WHILE AND WE HAD SIGNIFICANT RAINS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE STARTED TO SEE EROSION AND WE HAD TO PUT IN A RETAINING WALL.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GATHERED ANY INFORMATION, BUT IS THERE SOME CRITERIA THAT SAYS SAYS THE DROP- OFF IS MORE THAN A CERTAIN DEGREE, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A RETAINING WALL?

>> WE HAVE NOT FINISHED OUR ENGINEERING. WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS FIRST, BUT WE DID SOME PRELIMINARY GRADING PLANS, AND SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD A TAINING WALL -- YOU KIND OF SEE IT ON THE PLANS, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE LOT BETWEEN THE LOTS AND THE POND.

WE DO KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF RETAINING WALL.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SIZE THAT IS UNTIL WE GET INTO THE GRADING.

>> IS THAT GOING TO BE ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, OR --

>> IT WILL BE ON HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION LAND SO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WILL MAINTAIN IT, OWN AND MAINTAIN

IT. >> BUT, I MEAN, IT'S ON INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES, IT'S NOT ALONG THAT LINE? BE ON THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION PROPERTY

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NOT ON THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.

>> WELL, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES, THAT IF THERE IS A SERIOUS DROP- OFF IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

>> RIGHT. WELL, THE LOT WILL SLOPE MOST LIKELY. WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH THE ENGINEERING, BUT THE LOT WILL SLOPE ABOUT EIGHT FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE LOT TO THE REAR OF THE LOT TO ALLOW FOR THE WALKOUT BASEMENT.

THERE THE YARD FOR THE HOMEOWNERS WILL BE RELATIVELY FLAT IN THE BACK, DROP MAYBE TWO OR THREE FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE. ANY RETAINING WALL AFTER THAT, PRELIMINARILY MAYBE ABOUT FIVE FEET, WOULD BE A REG WALL THAT WOULD BE CONTINUOUS FOR, WAS IT, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX -- MAYBE SEVEN LOTS ALONG THAT LINE BACK UP TO THE POND.

SO, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING, IT IS ON THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION PROPERTY. THE YARDS OF THE LOTS, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE WALKOUT BASEMENTS, WILL HAVE SOME SLOPE TO THEM BUT THEY WILL NOT BE A STEEP SLOPE.

>> OKAY.

>> IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR

QUESTION. >> YEAH, IT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

WE HAVE A VERY STEEP SLOPE.

>> MS. BYRGE, TO FOLLOW UP, WE LOOK AT EACH LOT WHEN ZONING PERMITS ARE ISSUED, AND SO WE WOULD LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING TREATMENT ON THAT SLOPE TO ASSESS WHETHER AN INDIVIDUAL SHOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE A RETAINING WALL OR SOME OTHER GROUND TREATMENT TO STABILIZE THAT SOIL REALLY WHEN IT GETS PAST KIND OF A 3 TO 1 RATIO, THAT JUST BECOMES MORE OF A CHALLENGE TO MOW.

WE'LL GET INTO THOSE DETAILS AT THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS.

>> SURE, SURE. I JUST FIGURED I WOULD RAISE THE QUESTION NOW WHILE THEY'RE DOING ALL THEIR EVALUATIONS SO THOSE ARE INCLUDED.

>> I SHOULD ALSO MENTION AT THIS TIME I DO AGREE TO THE CONDITIONS AS PUT FORTH BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANKS, NANCY. ANY OTHER COUNCIL HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR CLARIFY?

KATE? >> THANK YOU, SIR.

JIM, IS IT? I'M NOT SURE WHO COULD ANSWER THIS --

>> I'LL DO MY BEST.

>> OKAY. WOULD THERE BE ANY EXISTING TREES STAYING LARGER THAN -- CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT?

>> YES. ANYTHING ALONG THE PERIMETER WE DON'T LIKE TAKING DOWN ANY TREES ON THE PERIMETER.

WE TRY TO MAINTAIN SOME CLEAR DISTANCE FOR GRADING TO MAINTAIN THOSE TREES, SO WE DO HAVE THAT 50- FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER BUT WE MAY GO IN THERE TO REMOVE ANY DEAD, DYING OR DISEASED TREES, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THOSE TO FALL ON OUR NEIGHBORS' PROPERTY.

ALSO, WHERE THERE IS LACK OF LANDSCAPING, WE WILL SUPPLEMENT THAT AS A BUFFER JUST AS PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SEE US, OUR FUTURE RESIDENTS, MAY WANT TO NOT SEE PAST THEIR LOT LINES. SO WE WILL MAINTAIN THE TREES ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN ANYTHING AROUND WHERE THE EXISTING CREEK IS WILL BE PLAIN -- MAINTAAND NOT TOUCHED.

THE ONLY MODIFICATION WHERE THE BASIN GOES. ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT WE'LL KEEP. IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, THERE IS SOME LAND EXISTING TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE. WE'LL MAINTAIN THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. WE DO NEED TO PUT THE SIDEWALK IN AND ARE DOING A DEN FISHBURG ROAD.

BUT ANY TREES WE CAN SAVE, DEFINITELY WILL SAVE AND AUGMENT VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO ON THE BUFFER ON THE PERIMETER.

>> GREAT. AND JUST ONE OTHER THING, SO THE RETAINING POND, ANY CHANCE IT WOULD HAVE A FOUNTAIN?

>> YES.

YES. YOU CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER INSTALLED A POND WITHOUT PUTTING IN A FOUNTAIN FOR CIRCULATION.

>> THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A FOLLOW- UP QUESTION.

YOU SAID YOU'LL BE DOING SOME WIDENING TO FISHBURG?

>> YES.

>> HOW MUCH WIDENING?

>> ON SIDE OF THE ROAD THE FULL LENGTH OF OUR FRONTAGE WE WIDEN THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE ROAD TO THREE-LANE SECTION.

>> THANK YOU.

>> AND THEN JUST ANOTHER POINT OF CLARIFICATION, SO FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON ENDICOTT, THERE'S A 50- FOOT BUFFER FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT BACK TO THEIR PROPERTY.

ABOUT HOW MUCH ROOM -- WHAT'S THE DEPTH OF THE ACTUAL WOODS THAT ARE BEHIND THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG ENDICOTT? I'M TRYING TO GET AN IDEA HOW MUCH SPACE BETWEEN THE BACK OF SOMEONE'S LOT BEFORE THEY GET TOTO NEW DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING THAT 50- FOOT BUFFER?

>> YES.

SO THERE'S A HOUSE HERE OR HERE.

FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO JUST PAST THE 50- FOOT BUFFER WOULD BE AROUND 150 FEET.

>> ABOUT 100 FOOT DEPTH OF WOODS BEHIND THERE?

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>> THERE'S ABOUT 60 -- SO IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU MEASURE IT. IT'LL BE BETWEEN 120 AND 150 FEET.

>> OKAY.

>> AT THE VERY SOUTHWEST EDGE THERE IS A HOME THAT IS A LITTLE CLOSER, BUT BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED AT ALL.

>> OKAY. SO THIS ISN'T -- YOU'RE NOT BUILDING HOUSES RIGHT ON TOP OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY ALONG THE BACK SIDE OF ENDICOTT?

>> YOU WOULD HAVE THE PROPERTY LINE, SO RIGHT NOW, LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE CLOSEST HOUSES IS 60 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE, GIVE OR TAKE. THEN YOU HAVE THE 50- FOOT BUFFER, WHICH THEM STARTS THE BACKYARD, PLUS THEN YOU WOULD HAVE ANOTHER 30 OR SO FEET OF REAR BUFFER OR REAR YARD BEFORE THE HOUSEHOUSE ACTUALLY START.

>> THANKS. I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

I KNEW THERE WERE TREES BUT DIDN'T KNOW HOW DEEP THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON ENDICOTT

WERE. >> THEY GET CLOSER THE FURTHER SOUTH THAT YOU GET, BUT IT'S STILL A PRETTY DECENT WIDTH.

>> OKAY. MARK?

>> THANKS, AARON. YOUR NAME IS JIM?

>> YES.

>> LOOKS LIKE A NEAT DEVELOPMENT.

AARON? >> YES, SIR.

>> HE'S THE DEVELOPER AND THEN THERE MUST BE A LANDOWNER?

>> THERE IS A LANDOWNER.

>> IS THE LANDOWNER ONBOARD WITH

THIS? >> I WOULD ASSUME SO.

>> CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? AND, AARON, I'M GOING TO HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS.

>> YES, WE ENTERED A NEW PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT WITH THE LANDOWNER, I THINK BACK IN FEBRUARY IT WAS SIGNED. YES, ACTUALLY, SHE'S EXCITED.

IT'S AN ACTIVE HORSE FARM. SHE HAS HORSES ON IT.

SHE -- I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HER, BUT HER PREFERENCE NOW IS TO RELOCATE WITH THE SALES PROCEEDS TO A HORSE FARM IN, LIKE, ARKANSAS OR SOMEWHERE SOUTH, SO SHE'EXCITE ABOUT THE MOVE.

>> AND THE ATTORNEY WILL STOP WHENEVER NECESSARY, BUT PROBABLY YOUR DEAL IS CONT UPON ZONING?

>> YES.

>> OKAY. AARON, AT SOME POINT IN THIS AREA OF FISHBURG WILL WE HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY COMPLETED?

>> SO WE HAVE LONG- RANGE PLANS TO WIDEN FISHBURG.

IT IS ONE OF OUR THOROUGHFARE PLANS.IT'S NOT IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE, BUT THIS IS REALLY THE LAST DEVELOPABLE PARCEL ON THIS SECTION OF FISHBURG THAT I BELIEVE IS ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO DEVELOP, SO THIS WOULD BE THE LAST BIG PROJECT, BUT WE DO HAVE A DESIRE TO WIDEN FISHBURG REALLY TO ACCOMMODATE SIDEWALKS, POSSIBLY A BIKE PATH THAT WOULD THEN CONNECT TO THE GREAT MIAMI BIKE PATH TO THE WEST. SO IT'S ON OUR PLANS.

CHAMBERSBURG IS FIRST AND THEN WE WOULD WORK OUR WAY TO

FISHBURG. >> OKAY.

HOW ABOUT PARKS OR PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT OR SUCH IN THIS DEVELOPMENT? IS ANYTHING BEING PROPOSED?

>> NOT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT CANAL HEIGHTS ONE BLOCK, SO TO SPEAK, THE NEXT MAJOR STREET, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC PARK THAT IS BEING -- THAT WILL BE DEDICATED THERE AND THAT AREA IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW. SO THERE WILL BE A REGIONAL PARKPARK THAT AREA AND, AGAIN, IT WILL ALSO BE CONNECTED VIA SIDEWALKS STRAIGHT THROUGH UP TO THAT AREA.

>> AND IT'LL BE A CITY OWNED

PARK? >> CORRECT.

>> PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYERS ALL OVER THE CITY?

>> YES.

>> THAT LEADS ME TO THE TIF. COULD YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT?

>> THIS SITE IS WITHIN THE LEXINGTON PLACE TIF.

THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO BE A PART OF THAT TIF THAT WOULD THEN FUND THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NO

>> AND ON THE BACK OF A NAPKIN IT LOOKS LIKE OUR TAXPAYERS WILL APPRECIATE ABOUT $6 MILLION OVER THE 30 YEARS?

>> THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT RIGHT.

>> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FROM US?

>> NOT AT THIS TIME, THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. THANKS, AARON.

THANKS, MAYOR.

>> NANCY?

>> AARON, YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T ANTICIPATE ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT ALONG THERE. I KNOW YOU WEREN'T HERE AT THE TIME, BUT AT ONE POINT THEY WERE PROPOSING PUTTING A WEDDING VENUE UP ON THE HILL THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS ENCOMPASSES SOME OF THAT PROPERTY OR --

>> IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT. WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT

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THIS DEVELOPMENT, JIM HAD ASKED WHETHER OR NOT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO STUB A STREET INTO THAT WEDDING VENUE PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK IT IS. I DON'T THINK THE TOPOGRAPHY WORKS WELL ON THAT SITE FOR A LARGE- SCALE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THERE COULD BE A WEDDING VENUE OR A ONE- OFF DEVELOPMENT BUT NOTHING -- I DON'T THINK ANYTHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE PROPOSED.

>> OKAY. SO THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY ACROSS

THE STREET? >> THE WEDDING VENUE THAT WAS

PROPOSED IS RIGHT HERE. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM

COUNCIL? >> THIS WILL SOUND A LITTLE ODD.

WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT ALL THE WILDLIFE AND STUFF LIKE THAT? I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING BEHIND THE GOVERNMENT CENTER, WE'RE GETTING ALL KINDS OF CRITTERS FROM THAT. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ASK PEOPLE TO TRAP AND HUMANELY MOVE SOME STUFF? I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW TO HANDLE THIS, BUT I KNOW WE'RE JUST GETTING INUNDATED WHERE I LIVE, AND I'M NOT EVEN CLOSE. SINCE THOSE APARTMENTS HAVE GONE UP, IT'S MADE A DIFFERENCE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> I MEAN, DEPENDING ON THE IMPACTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT, TO THE ENVIRONMENT, THE DEVELOPERS ARE REQUIRED TO DO ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES AND REALLY LOOKING MORE AT ENDANGERS SPECIES TYPES OF THINGS, BROWN-EARED BAT, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT JUST FIELD CRITTERS, THAT WOULD NOT BE ADDRESSED.

>> WE'RE GETTING INUNDATED WITH SKUNKS, POSSUMS AND RACCOONS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, SO.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MARK?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK, WHENIS THE SCHEDULED START DATE OF THE WEDDING VENUE?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER MATERIALIZED.

WASTE WATER SYSTEMS.

>> I WOULDN'T STUB A STREET FOR THAT THEN.

>> WHERE THIS INTERSECTION WHY A LIFT STATION IS NECESSARY TO PUSH IT UP INTO LEXINGTON PLACE. AND THEN GRAVITY WILL TAKE OVER FROM THERE.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? YES, DON?

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. AARON, I HAVE A COUPLE BASIC QUESTIONS AND THEN ONE BIG ONE. I'LL SAVE THE BIG ONE FOR LAST.

ON THE FLOODWATER CONCERNS PEOPLE ARE HAVING, IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE OVER THE YEARS WORKING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION OFTENTIMES A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS WILL ACTUALLY IMPROVE A SITUATION WHERE NEARBY RESIDENTS ARE EXPERIENCING FLASH FLOODING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. LOOKING AT THE RETENTION BASIN HERE, WOULD IT BE YOUR OPINION WE'LL BE ABLE TO IMPROVE A SITUATION THAT THEY HAVE NOW?

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY.

THE SECOND E WAS A CONCERN I SAW, IT MAY HAVE BEEN IN YOUR LEXINGTON PLACE GROUP. I'M A MEMBER OF THAT. AND THAT WAS ABOUT WELLS IN THE AREA. WILL THIS HAVE ANY IMPACTS ON ANY WELLS IN THE AREA?

>> NO, THIS WILL BE CONNECTED TO THE PUBLIC WATER -- PUBLIC UTILITY SYSTEM SO SHOULD HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE DRINKING WATER WELLS.

>> GREAT. NOW FOR THE BIG ONE, AND THE BIG ONE IS A QUESTION THIS YOUNG LADY BROUGHT UP TO US WHEN SHE ASKED WHY. WE HAVE HEARD AS A COUNCIL, WE'VE HEARD THE DEMAND FOR HOUSING HOUSING AND WHY HUBER HEIGHTS IS AN AREA FOR THAT HOUSING. CAN YOU GIVE US -- GIVE HER AND US A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE HOUSING MARKET IN HUBER HEIGHTS?

>> SO THE HOUSING MARKET IN HUBER HEIGHTS IS EXTREMELY TIGHT. AND WE HAVE NEAR ZERO VACANCY RATES. THE ABSORPTION RATES ARE FASTER THAN WHAT MOST OF THE DEVELOPERS HAD ORIGINALLY FORECASTED. WE HAVE A PIPELINE OF ABOUT 2,000 UNITS FROM DEVELOPERS WHO SEE A DEMAND AND WANT TO PROVIDE THAT PRODUCT TO WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY. WE, FROM THE PLANNING SIDE, WE DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH 104 UNITS STAGNATING ON THE MARKET. WE THINK IT WILL BE ABSORBED EXTREMELY QUICKLY. NOW THAT ASSUMES THAT THETHE OVERALL REGION ECONOMICALLY DOESN'T CHANGE, BUT GIVEN THE STATUS QUO FROM A

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AL ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DEMAND.

PEOPLE WANT TO BE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.

>> AND MY FINAL QUESTION BEFORE THE DEVELOPER AND THAT WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT OPEN SPACE. SO WHAT DO YOU ENVISION THERE AS FAR AS THE UTILIZATION OF OPEN SPACE? WILL IT BE MOWED AND LANDSCAPED OR LEFT WILD FLOWERS?

>> WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THE MAJORITY OF IT AS A NATURAL AREA. WE WILL HAVE A PATH THAT GOES DOWN SO PEOPLE CAN GET TO AND AROUND THE POND FOR FISHING OR, YOU KNOW, SWIMMING OR WADING, INSURANCE FOR THE HOA DOESN'T LIKE THAT.

THEY WILL BE ABLE TO FISH. WE WILL PROVIDE ACCESS, PUBLIC ACCESS OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.

>> AWESOME. AND THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> JUST A COMMENT TO MAKE ABOUT THE OVERALL KIND OF HEALTH OF THE HOUSING MARKET. THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING, TOO, IN HUBER HEIGHTS IS -- I THINK IT'S A REFLECTION OF WHAT THE OVERALL INTEREST RATE MARKET IS, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HUBER HEIGHTS WHO HAVE INTEREST RATES THAT ARE IN THE 2. 5 TO 3.5% INTEREST RATE. SO WHEN IT COMES TIME,TIME, THERE LOTS OF PEOPLE, MYSELF INCLUDED AND PROBABLY YOU IN THE AUDIENCE, WHO HAVE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY OVER THE PAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, BUT THAT MONEY AND THE INCREASE IN VALUE IS ONLY PAPER MONEY. IT ISN'T REALIZED BECAUSE IN ORDER FOR YOU TO REALIZE AN INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUE, YOU HAVE TO SELL YOUR HOME.

BUEN TO SELL IT TO MOVE TO ANOTHER PLACE, YOUR INTEREST RATE IS GOING TO BE NOW 5. 5 TO 6.5% INTEREST RATE. WHAT'S HAPPENED AND I THINK IT'S HAPPENING REGIONALLY, PEOPLE AREN'T MOVING. PEOPLE ARE STAYING PUT, WHICH GOES TO WHAT AARON SAID. WE ARE LITERALLY SEEING ZERO PERCENT VACANCY RATES BECAUSE SINCE PEOPLE AREN'T MOVING OUT OF THEIR HOUSES THERE ARE NO EXISTING HOUSES FOR PEOPLE TO PURCHASE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STAYING IN THEIR HOME. SO IF SOMEONE DOES WANT TO MOVE TO HUBER HEIGHTS OR SOMEONE DOES WANT TO MOVE OUT OF THEIR HOUSE, THERE ISN'T THIS EXISTING HOMEHOME THAT USED TO BE ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE INTEREST RATE MARKET. SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MOVE, THEIR ONLY OPTION IS NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THAT'S WHAT'S PLACING THE HIGH DEMAND ON NEW CONSTRUCTION AND NEW DEVELOPMENT IN HUBER HEIGHTS BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T MOVING BECAUSE OF THE INTEREST RATE MARKET. NOW I DO THINK INTEREST RATES WILL EVENTUALLY COME DOWN.

HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO BE, I DON'T KNOW.

WHEN IT DOES, PEOPLE WILL STILL HAVE A DESIRE THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME THEY WILL CASH IN AND THEY'LL GET THEIR MONEY BECAUSE THEY CAN USE THAT MONEY TO GET AN EQUIVALENT HOME OR IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE A NICENICE TO PUT DOWN AND HAVE AN INTEREST RATE THAT SOMEWHAT MATCHES OR IS CLOSER TO THE INTEREST RATE THEY HAVE NOW.

I THINK THAT'S -- I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING OVERALL FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE REGIONALLY. I KNOW THAT'S HAPPENING HERE, AND WE HEAR IT FROM THE DAYTON HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION ALL THE TIME.

PATTERSON IS ADDING ABOUT ANOTHER 10,000 JOBS OVER THE NEXT SEVEN TO TEN YEARS. THERE IS A DEMAND FOR HOUSING.

ONE OF THE LAST MEETINGS WE WENT TO WITH ONE OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BUSINESS DAYS WE HAD ONE OF THE GENERAL S HERE AND THE GENERAL WAS LITERALLY BEGGING TO APROVEMORE HOUSING BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING INTO THE BASE PROJECTED TO FIND A PLACE TO LIVE.

SO I THINK THERE IS A REASON THAT PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE HERE. OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS WE'VEWE'VE SEEN INCREASE IN THE DESIRABILITY OF PEOPLE WANTING TO MOVE HERE.

I THINK OVERALL HUBER HAS EVERYTHING THAT SOMEONE NEEDS. YOU CAN REALLY FIND EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED WITHOUT HAVING TO LEAVE THE CITY.

YES, WE KNOW WE COULD HAVE SOME MORE RESTAURANTS.

I THINK THOSE ARE COMING. BUT, OVERALL, YOU REALLY DON'T TO LEAVE THE CITY TO GET JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU NEED HERE. AND WHERE WE'RE LOCATED ALONG I- 75 FROM A TRAVEL PERSPECTIVE YOU CAN BE SOUTH OF TOWN EASY, TO COLUMBUS EASY, CAN BE HEADED WEST VERY EASILY. I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THIS AREA, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT TYPICAL HOUSING STOCK NUMBERS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CENSUS, IT'S REALLY EASY TO SEE THAT THE MEDIAN HOME VALUE IN HUBER HAS RISEN BY ABOUT $50,000 OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS. IT'S GONE FROM LIKE $119,000 TO $160,000. IN OTHER AREAS OF THE REGION THOSE AVERAGE HOME MARKETS, NOT AVERAGE, I USE THE TERM MEDIAN, $260,000 IN OTHER PLACES.

BUT THE AMOUNT OF INCOME PEOPLE ARE MAKING IN THOSE OTHER PLACES IS ONLY AN INCREASE OF

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ABOUT $4,000 TO $6,000.

SO THIS IS A VERY AFFORDABLE PLACE TO LIVE IN RELATION TO THE MEDIAN INCOME THAT PEOPLE MAKE WHICH MAKES IT A VERY DESIRABLE PLACE. AND WHEN IT COMES TO -- I'M VERY IN TUNE TO THAT DATA, BUT I'M PROBABLY NOT AS IN TUNE AS TO A COMPANY WHO IS GOING TO INVEST IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO BEING HERE, SO AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO ALSO DECIDE AND SAY, WELL, IF THE HOME BUILDER BELIEVES AND THE DEVELOPER BELIEVES THERE'S A MARKET AND THERE'S A DEMAND FOR IT, THERE IS. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS IN BUSINESS TO LOSE MONEY.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN STARTING A PROJECT THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FINISH AND LOSE MONEY ON. I THINK THE ANSWER OF WHY IS THAT IT IS, AS MR. WEBB MENTIONED, A VERY DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE. BUT ON TOP OF THAT, YOU CAN'T JUST COME INTO HUBER AND BUY AN EXISTING HOME ANYMORE. THEY ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.

PEOPLE I KNOW THAT HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR HOUSING, YOU FIND ONE THAT YOU WANT TO BUY AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW YOU'RE IN A BIDDING WAR AND THE PRICE HAS GONE UP, OR YOU FIND ONE AND IT'S ALREADY SOLD BEFORE THE OPEN HOUSE HAPPENS. SO THE EXISTING HOME MARKET HAS JUST GOTTEN SO TIGHT BECAUSE OF THE INTEREST RATES.

NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION IS ABOUT PEOPLE'S ONLY OPTION.

I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE THAT NARRATIVE, I BELIEVE' HAPPENING ECONOMICALLY FROM A HOME BUILDING PERSPECTIVE.

>> YOU CAN PROBABLY REPEAT YOUR COMMENTS IN JUST ABOUT ANY COUNCIL CHAMBERS AROUND AND HAVE VERY SIMILAR SCENARIOS.

I DID WANT POINT OUT WE OFFER A DIVERSE NOT ONLY PRICE POINT BUT STYLE OF LIVING AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, SO WE HAVE RANCH- STYLE HOMES. WE HAVE FIRST FLOOR MASTER BUT TWO STORY. WE HAVE MULTILEVEL HOMES, WHICH ARE THOSE SPLIT LEVELS AND THEN A TRADITIONAL TWO STORY.

THE OPTIONS ARE THERE FOR MOVE UP, MOVEDOWN, MOVE SIDEWAYS, JUST ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE.

>> THAT'S GREAT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT IS THE TYPE OF HOUSING STOCK THAT WE HAVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ONCE THEY'RE HERE, THEY DON'T LEAVE. AND PEOPLE DO LIKE THE OPTION OF BEING ABLE TO BUY A STARTER HOME AND THEN MOVE INTO KIND OF THAT WITH YOUNG KIDS AND THEN AS THEY GROW IN THEIR CAREER AND THEY HAVE MORE MONEY AND CAN EXPAND, BUY A BIGGER HOME, THEN EMPTY NEST, MOVE DOWN AND A PLACE THEY CAN RETIRE. WE HAVE ALL THAT HOUSING HERE.

IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT, AGAIN, WITHIN THE SAME PROJECT AND DEVELOPMENT YOU HAVE THOSE TYPES OF OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE TO LOOK AT.

>> THE SOCIOECONOMIC DATA WILL SHOW YOU, TOO, THAT PEOPLE DO TEND TO STAY IN THE COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY KIND OF START THEIR CAREERS AND THEIR JOBS AND THEY PUT ROOTS DOWN, THEY'RE BY FRIENDS, THEY'RE BY FAMILY, AND IN TEN YEARS THEIR SALARIES DOUBLE AND THEY'RE ABLE TO MOVE AND THEN AT THAT POINT THEY'RE IN THEIR CAREER, THEY WANT TO STAY CLOSE. THEY WANT TO STAY NEAR THEIR FAMILY AND THE FRIENDS THEY'VE ESTABLISHED. SO THE DATA WILL SHOW YOU THAT PEOPLE TEND TO STAY IN A COMMUNITY ONCE THEY INVEST IN A COMMUNITY.

>> IT'S EVERY DAY THAT I'M OUT I RUN INTO SOMEBODY. I SEE SOMEBODY I DIDN'T KNOW STILL LIVED HERE. WE HAD SOME -- JOHN, DO YOU REMEMBER BRIAN? BRIAN'S PARENTS HAPPENED TO BE AT OUR CUPS AND CONVERSATION THE OTHER MORNING.

I HAD NO IDEA. BRIAN LIVES IN SEATTLE. HE WORKS FOR INTEL.

I HAD NO IDEA HIS RENTS WERE STILL AROUND HERE.

SO BRIAN SENDS ME A MESSAGE. I HAVEN'T TALKED TO BRIAN IN 25 YEARS. I GET A MESSAGE FROM BRIAN HIS PARENTS SENT TO HIM, HEY, WE WERE THERE AND IT WAS GREAT MEETING -- PEOPLE, ONCE THEY'RE HERE, THEY STAY.

BUT IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS FOR THEM.

>> YES, AND YOU.

>> WHAT IS YOUR STARTING -- WHAT'S YOUR PRICE RANGE? JUST CURIOUS.

>> WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS COME IN, BUT ASSUMING -- I THINK WE'RE GOING TO START AT ,000 TO $500,000 OUR STARTING POINT.

IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER, BUT THE OVERALL CLOSING PRICE OUR TYPICAL HOMEOWNER IS ADDING BETWEEN $80,000 AND $120,000 IN

OPTIONS. >> I MEAN, YOUR HOUSES ARE BEAUTIFUL, THE SKETCHES. I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOUR PRICE POINTS WERE.

>> DEPENDING ON LOT COSTS BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE.

>> SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT SO IT CAN BE SAID.

YOUR COMPANY HAS DONE THE RESEARCH.

THEY KNOW YOU HAVE BUYERS IN THIS REGION WHO WILL MOVE THERE AND THERE'S ENOUGH OF THEM THAT THAT PRICE DOESN'T SCARE THEM?

>> NO. OUR AVERAGE PRICE POINT AND OUR TYPICAL SUBDIVISION LAST YEAR EXCEEDED $600,000 OR $650,000, ACTUALLY.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING TO GET THAT COST DOWN, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO

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BRING THE COST DOWN, BUT WE'RE MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE STARTING IN THAT $500,000 PRICE POINT.

WISH IT COULD BE LOWER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF COSTS THAT GO INTO IT. IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE AND VERY, I GUESS -- I GUESS INTENSIVE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING.

>> SOMETHING IS WORTH WHAT SOMEONE IS WILLING TO PAY, SO THAT IS ECONOMICS.

>> WE DO ANTICIPATE OUR SALESSALES IT WOULD BE 32 TO 36 A YEAR. IF IT WAS 36, IT WOULD BE THREE A MONTH.

THAT'S OUR INTERNAL GOAL.

>> THREE AND A HALF YOUR BUILDOUT ANTICIPATION?

>> YES.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? YES, DON?

>> I'LL FIRE ONE MORE AT AARON. AARON, CAN YOU TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVE, HOW THAT WORKS, IS IT BLOCKED OFF?

>> WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE DETAILS AS FAR AS GATES WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT YET. TYPICALLY IT IS GRASSED OVER PAVERS THAT WILL LOOK NATURAL AND, YOU KNOW, THE LIKELIHOOD OF IT EVER BEING USED IT PRETTY LOW, BUT IT'S THERE JUST IN CASE.

>> OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> THANKS, DON. ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL?

>> LET ME GO BACK. IT WILL BE BLOCKED OFF SO THAT RESIDENTS DON'T USE IT AS A MEANS OF EGRESS AND INGRESS BUT IT WILL BLEND IN TO LOOK AS NATURAL AS KIND OF A PSEUDO DRIVEWAY CAN LOOK.

>> OKAY. SO ONE LAST TIME I WOULD ASK IF ANYONE IS PRESENT WHO WANTS TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST THIS ISSUE? OKAY.

SO BARRING ANY FURTHER COMMENTS THE PUBLIC HEARING BY THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CASE BDP 25-16 IS HEREBY CLOSED.

[ An Ordinance To Approve A Rezoning From Residence District (R1) To Planned Residential District (PR) And A Basic Development Plan For Approximately 38.88 Acres For A 104-Lot Subdivision Development For The Property Located At 4460 Fishburg Road, Huber Heights, Ohio And Further Identified As Parcel Number P70 04007 0009 On The Montgomery County Auditor’s Map And To Accept The Recommendation Of The Planning Commission (Case BDP 25-16). (first reading)]

OKAY, WHICH NOW TAKES US TO ITEM 10-B.

>> ITEM 10- B, AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE A REZONING FROM RESIDENCE DISTRICT R- 1 TO PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT PR AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR APPROXIMATELY 38. 88 ACRES FOR A 104- LOT SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4460 FISHBURG ROAD, HUBER HEIGHTS, OHIO, AND FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER P70-04007- 0009 ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S MAP AND TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CASE BDP 25- 16, FIRST READING.

>> ANY COMMENTS?

>> I DON'T, SIR.

>> THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO PASS THIS TO A SECOND READING.

ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ON TO ANOTHER MEETING?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING IN ATTENDANCE LAST WEEK, BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT. I'M COMPLETELY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY NICE PROJECT. AARON, PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED UNANIMOUSLY?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION?

>> IS TO APPROVE IT.

>> SO NOT TO DISRUMT OR ANYTHING, BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD I WOULD BE WILLING TO PASS IT TONIGHT.

>> OKAY. SO WE HAVE THE OPTION OF MAKING A MOTION AND WOULD NEED A

SECOND. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT.

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? YES, FRED?

>> JUST ONE THING. I DON'T KNOW IF THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US INCLUDES THE MODIFICATION OR CONDITIONS THAT WILL BE ACCEPTED BY THE

DEVELOPER. >> SO THE ORDINANCE REFERS TO THE STAFF REPORT WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.

IT WON'T GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL UNLESS THOSE ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED.

>> THANK YOU. YES, ANITA?

>> THE ONLY REASON I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO PASS TONIGHT ISIS IS NOT HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOTTEN COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS AND STUFF. I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD OFF.

I LIKE THE PROJECT AND STUFF BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF HE'S HAD PEOPLE TALK TO HIM ABOUT THIS

PROJECT. >> OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? YES, DON?

>> IS THERE ANY ADVANTAGE TO US PASSING IT TONIGHT, WILL IT STREAMLINE THE PROCESS AT ALL?

>> THE ONLY ADVANTAGE WOULD BE THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE THE CERTAINTY FOR THE REZONING ABSENT A REFERENDUM AND COULD CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY SOONER.

I DID TALK TO THE APPLICANT. THEY'RE FINE WITH THE SECOND READING. THEY WOULD BE FINE WITH TWO AND ONE AS WELL.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ROLL, PLEASE.

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>> MOTION CARRIES 7- 1, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> OKAY, NEXT UP IS ITEM --

>> WE NEED A MOTION TO ADOPT.

>> OH, YES.

>> A MOTION TO WAIVE.

>> OH, YEAH BECAUSE OF THE SECOND READING.

MARK?

>> A MOTION TO ADOPT.

>> NANCY?

>> SECOND.

>> THE MOTION AND THE SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

[ An Ordinance Authorizing Transfers And Advances Between Various Funds Of The City Of Huber Heights, Ohio And Amending Ordinance No. 2024-O-2676 By Making Supplemental Appropriations For Expenses Of The City Of Huber Heights, Ohio For The Period Beginning January 1, 2025 And Ending December 31, 2025. (first reading)]

>> AND THE MOTION CARRIES, 7-1. OKAY, NEXT UP IS ITEM 10-C.

>> ITEM 10-C AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING TRANSFERS AND ADVANCES BETWEEN VARIOUS FUNDS OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, OHIO, AND AMENDING ORDINANCE NO 2024-0- 2676 BY MAKING SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR EXPENSES OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, OHIO, FOR THE PERIOD BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2025, AND ENDING DECEMBER 31, 2025 AT THE FIRST READING.

>> JOHN?

>> JUST REMEMBER THE LIST THAT JIM HAD HERE FOR THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.

>> YEP. AND THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO WAIVE THSECOND READING AND ADOPT THE ITEM THIS EKE.

IS THERE A MOTION TO WAIVE? FRED?

>> MOTION CARRIES, 8-0. A MOTION TO ADOPT?

>> MOTION TO ADOPT.

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. IS THERE DISCUSSION? TONY?

[ An Ordinance Authorizing A One-Time Transfer Of Monies From The General Fund To Document An Advance Previously Made To The Issue 2 Fund, And Declaring An Emergency. (first reading)]

>> YES.

>> MAYOR GORE?

>> YES.

>> ADOPTION CARRIES 8-0. NEXT IS ITEM 10-D.

>> 10-D AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING A ONE- TIME TRANSFER OF MONEYS FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO DOCUMENT AN ADVANCE PREVIOUSLY MADE TO THE ISSUE 2 FUND AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY FIRST READING.

>> A PORTION THAT WAS NOT REIMBURSED BE CLASSIFIED AS A PERMANENT TRANSFER.

THAT WAS $2,093.93.

>> THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO PASS THE ITEM TO A SECOND READING. IT WILL BE PASSED AS AN EMERGENCY, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

>> ANY OBJECTION MOVING ON TO THE SECOND READING?

[ An Ordinance Approving The Plan Of Operation And Governance For The Sustainable Ohio Public Energy Council (SOPEC) Electric Aggregation Program, And For The Purpose Of Jointly Establishing And Implementing An Electric Aggregation Program. (first reading)]

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.

UP NEXT 10-E.

>> AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE PLAN OF OPERATION AND GOVERNANCE FOR THE SUSTAINABLE OHIO PUBLIC ENERGY COUNCIL, SOPEC, AND FOR THE RPOSE OF JOINTLY ESTABLISHING AND IMPLEMENTING AN ELECTRIC AGGREGATION PROGRAM.

>> IS THERE A MOTION TO WAIVE? ANITA?

>> MOVE TO WAIVE.

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> A MOTION AND SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?

>> THAT MOTION CARRIES -- THAT WAS TO WAIVE AGAIN, CORRECT? 8-0.

NEXT A MOTION TO ADOPT.

ANITA? >> MOVE TO

ADOPT. >> FRED?

>> I WILL SECOND. >> A MOTION AND SECOND. DISCUSSION ON THE ADOPTION?

ANITA? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE SAYING THE CITY WANTS TO CONTROL STUFF, REALLY WE'RE JUST TRYING THE BEST RATES FOR THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS IS ALL THIS IS.

IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU NEED TO STAY IN THIS. YOU CAN OPT OUT, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CUT THOSE ENERGY BILLS THAT EVERYBODY IS ONLINE GRIPING ABOUT.

>> I THINK THE BIG E HERE, TOO, IN RELATION TO WHAT YOU SAY IT IS, I SEE THIS AS KIND A HEDGE, SO WE'RE HEDGING AGAINST SUPER INCREASES.

SO IF WE GET LOCKED INTO HOPEFULLY A BETTER RATE THAN PEOPLE HAVE NOW, AT LEAST IF IT GOES HIGHER THAN WE'VE KIND OF HEDGED THE NUMBERS FOR EVERYBODY WHERE YOU CAN GET INTO A PROGRAM AT A LOWER COST IF THE COSTS START TO EXCEED THAT TREMENDOUSLY AND WITH THE ENERGY MARKETS WE JUST T KNOW WHERE.

I THINK THIS IS CERTAINLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? TONY?

[ A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Solicit Bids And Award A Contract To A Qualified Firm For Professional Services Related To Updating The City’s Zoning And Subdivision Ordinances. (first reading)]

>> YES.

>> MR. LOONEY?

>> YES.

>> AND THE MOTION TO ADOPT CARRIES, 8- 0, AS WELL.

NEXT UP IS ITEM 10-F.

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>> A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO SOLICIT BIDS AND AWARD A CONTRACT TO A QUALIFIED FIRM FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES RETO UPDATING THE CITY'S ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES, THE FIRST READING.

>> JOHN?

>> THIS IS THE NEXT STEP FOR US IN UPDATING THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES. WE HAVE A GRANT IN PLACE FOR $50,000 FROM THE STATE OF OHIO.

>> THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ADOPT.

IS THERE A MOTION?

>> MOVE TO ADOPT.

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> A MOTION AND SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION?

>> I JUST WANT TO THANK AARON SORRELL AND JOHN FOR THE QUICK WORK ON THIS.

THIS IS A MUCH- NEEDED REVISION.

>> THANK YOU, DON. I AGREE 1,000%.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION?

[ A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Purchase Leaf Collection Vacuum And Appurtenant Equipment Thereto For The Public Works Division And Waiving The Competitive Bidding Requirements. (first reading)]

>> MOTION CARRIES 8-0. NEXT IS ITEM 10-G.

>> A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO PURCHASE LEAF COLLECTION VACUUM AND APPURTENANT EQUIPMENT THERETO THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION AND WAVERING THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING REQUIREMENTS AT THE FIRST READING.

>> JOHN? >> AS MIKE OUTLINED THE PURCHASE OF A LEAF VAC REPLACING AN AGED UNIT WE HAVE IN ROTATION.

>> THANK YOU, JOHN. THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ADOPT.

IS THERE A MOTION?

DON? >> MOVE TO ADOPT.