[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road July 15, 2025 6:00 P.M. ]
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I SHOULD CALL A MEETING AT CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSIONER, AWARD SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? ALL RIGHT, MR. JOHNSON.
I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS AS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DIOCESE.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN'S COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY, ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
IF I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND, RESPOND I DO.
TO THE FOLLOWING OF, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THIRD PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU? I DO.
I ALSO ASK ANYONE THAT WILL BE SPEAKING THIS EVENING WHEN THEY STEP TO THE PODIUM TO STATE THEIR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN IN SHEET.
PROVIDED OUR FIRST ITEM ON A NEW BUSINESS, UH, IS A REPL THE APPLICANT, CARRIAGE APARTMENTS, LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REPL OF 0.057 ACRES TO FACILITATE ACCESS THE CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY FOR PROPERTY, LOCATED AT C CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY AT RIVER BIRCH STREET, RP 25 DASH 14.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION, AARON RELL.
REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS, UH, REPL IS TO, UH, PROVIDE ACCESS TO CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT CAN, UH, PUSH A ROAD, UH, THROUGH, UH, SO THE SITE IS ZERO POINT, UH, ZERO FIVE, UH, ACRES.
IT'S, UH, ALL SURROUNDING LANDS ARE ZONED PLANNED.
THE, UH, RED BOX IS THE OUTLINE OF WHERE, UH, OF THE AREA OF THAT'S BEING RE PLATTED.
IT'S REALLY THAT SLIVER THAT IS, UH, JUST ALONG THE PARKWAY, UH, AND, UH, WILL CONNECT TO RIVER BIRCH, UH, STREET.
UM, THE, WHAT'S OUTLINED IN RED IS THE PROPOSED RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE IS HOW THAT, UH, PULLS THROUGH.
AND THEN WE'LL CONNECT, UH, A NEW STREET THERE, UH, JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE EXISTING, UH, RIVER BIRCH, UH, UH, STREET.
UH, SO ONCE THIS REPL IS COMPLETE, UH, THE, UH, LAND WILL BE SOLD TO, UH, CARRIES TRAILS COMPANY.
UH, AND THERE'LL BE A SUBSEQUENT, UH, DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL AS A FUTURE PATH WHEN THIS IS, WHEN THIS IS SUB SUBDIVIDED.
BUT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS REPLAY IS TO GIVE ACCESS TO, FOR, FOR THIS PARCEL TO CARRIAGES TRIP PARKWAY.
UM, AF LIKE I SAID, AFTER THE RIGHT DEDICATION AND SUBSEQUENT REPL, THE LANDS WILL COMPLY WITH SUB, UH, SUBDIVISION AND ZONING REGULATIONS.
UM, THERE WERE NO COMMENTS FROM THE ENGINEER OR FIRE.
UH, AND SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, UH, AS SUBMITTED.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WILLING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING DAYS HEARING? NO ONE WILL CLOSE THAT BACK DOWN.
THOUGHTS? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? CARE DEPARTMENT'S? LLC FOR APPROVE OF A REPL PROPERTY IS LOCATED CT PARKWAY AT RIVER, I'M SORRY, AT RIVER BIRCH STREET CASE RP 25 DASH 14.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JULY 8TH, 2025, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERETO.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. VARGO? YES.
MOTION PASSES FOUR TO, UH, FOUR TO ZERO.
WHAT'S NEXT TO THE APPLICANT? UH, THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT THE, UH, REQUIRED DOCUMENTS TO US TO FOR SIGNATURE, UH, AND RECORD THOSE WITH THE COUNTY.
MS. ITEM ON THE AGENDAS REPL, THE APPLICANT, DCEC, LAND COMPANY LLC IS WESTING APPROVAL OF A REPL, CONSOLIDATES THE GREEN SPACE INTO TWO LOTS OF PROPERTY LOCATED SOUTH OF CARRIAGES, TRIPS PARKWAY, EAST OF SILVER, LINDEN DRIVE, CAR P 25 S 15.
UH, SO THIS IS A REPL, UH, THAT REALLY CONSOLIDATES THE, UH, GREEN SPACE ON THE EAST SIDE OF CARRIAGE TRAILS INTO TWO, UH, LOTS.
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TOTAL AREA IN QUESTION IS 33.8 ACRES.UM, THIS IS THE AREA IN QUESTION.
UH, THIS IS THE GREEN SPACE THAT REALLY IS THE DRAINAGE, UM, AREA OF THE DRAINAGE SWAY, UH, SOUTH OF HARS PARKWAY THAT, UH, THAT REALLY HELPS DRAIN THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL PORTION ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE TRAILS PARKWAY, UH, MEETS.
UH, SO COMES IN FROM EAST, THAT IS THE, UH, DRAINAGE, UM, POND OR THE RETENTION POND, AS WELL AS THERE'S A SMALL OUT OUT PARCEL.
SO WE'RE BASICALLY COMBINING, UM, FOUR LOTS INTO TWO.
UH, THIS IS REALLY CLEANING UP AND FINISHING OUT CARRIAGES TRAILS.
UH, ONE, SO THIS IS THE, UH, THERE ARE THREE PAGES TO THE PLAT.
THIS WOULD BE THE, UH, THE NORTH SECTION, THE SOUTH SECTION, AND THEN THE EAST SECTION.
UH, AGAIN, SIMPLY CONSOLIDATING, UH, THE GREEN SPACE REMNANTS INTO, UH, TWO PLATS.
UH, ULTIMATELY, UM, AS PART OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, AIR TRAILS, THIS IS AN AREA THAT THIS PARTICULAR PLAT OR THIS PARTICULAR LOT, UH, MAY BE DONATED TO THE CITY IN THE FUTURE, UH, FOR A FUTURE FIRE STATION LOCATED.
THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH, UM, WITH THE DEVELOPER.
UH, SO THESE LANDS COMPLY WITH SUBDIVISION AND ZONING REGULATIONS.
UH, FIRE AND ENGINEERING HAD NO COMMENTS.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLAY AS SUBMIT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHO OWNS THAT LAND NOW.
UH, RIGHT NOW DECK, UH, OWNS IT.
YOU SEE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL RETAIN OWNERSHIP AT SOME FUTURE POINT.
IT MAY BE TRANSFERRED TO A HOME OWNERSHIP ASSOCIATION, BUT RIGHT NOW DECK, UM, THE DEVELOPER OWNS IT.
AND, UM, WILL THE DEVELOPER BE SPEAKING TO US ABOUT THIS? KEN IS, KEN IS HERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK WITH HIM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? I ASSUME SHE'S JUST GONNA REMAIN IN GREEN SPACE, CORRECT? YEP.
YEAH, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY PAPERWORK, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE, SO OVER THE YEARS WE'VE MADE A COMMODIFICATION TO THE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS A HUNDRED ACRES, 97 ACRES, THAT WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY TO MAINTAIN ITS PERMANENT GREEN SPACE.
SO IN PREPARATION OF CLEANING EVERYTHING UP AT CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE, THIS CONSOLIDATES THIS, SO IT CAN ACTUALLY BE PLATTED AS GREEN SPACE.
IT'S NOT CURRENTLY PLATTED AS GREEN SPACE.
UH, AS AARON INDICATED, AT SOME POINT IT'LL GET TURNED OVER TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, UH, NOT BEFORE THE CITY WOULD MAKE A DECISION ON THE LAND.
AND TO THE RIGHT HAND PIECE THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY ABOUT OPPORTUNITY FOR POSSIBLY PUTTING FIRE STATION THERE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.
UH, REALLY JUST TO CLEAN UP, NO CHANGE IN ANY OF THE INTENDED USE.
AS YOU KNOW, FROM MY NUMEROUS STRIP IN HERE, IT'S ALL COMPLETELY BUILT IN AT THIS POINT.
THE LAST PLAT THAT YOU GAVE THE CARRIAGE TRAILS WAS FOR THE VERY NORTHERN STRIP WHERE WE NEEDED THE 25 FEET OF THE ANNEXATION TO FINISH OUT 35 LOTTS.
UH, THAT'S THE LAST PLAT THAT YOU APPROVED FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS.
ALL THOSE LOTS HAVE BEEN SOLD.
RIGHT? SO OUR BUILDERS ARE ANXIOUSLY AWAITING THE COMPLETION OF THE 121 LOT THAT ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPMENT IN SECTION 20, PHASE ONE.
AND LIKE AARON SAID, THE PREVIOUS ITEM ALLOWS US TO NOW FINALIZE THAT PLAT.
SO HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE THAT PLAT IN AT THE NEXT, THAT NEXT ONE'S MEETING.
SO YOU GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS MS. VARGA, CURRENTLY, IT'S ALL GREEN SPACE, CORRECT? AND CURRENTLY DECK OWNS IT.
CORRECT? AT SOME POINT, DO YOU HAVE PLANS TO COME IN FOR A REZONING TO EITHER BUILD MORE APARTMENTS OR, UH, BECAUSE IT IT'S SURROUNDED BY APARTMENTS THERE? NO, THERE ARE NO APARTMENTS, UH, JAKE'S INTO THAT PROPERTY.
NO, THIS, THIS IS PART OF THE PERMANENT GREEN SPACE DEDICATION, AND THAT'S IN OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.
SO IN ALL CARRIAGE TRAILS, THERE'S 130 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE WE'RE REQUIRED IN OUR APPROVALS THAT YOU'VE ALL DONE OVER THE YEARS TO HAVE
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OUR PERCENTAGE OF GREEN SPACE.SO THOSE ARE THE ACRES THAT ARE ATTRIBUTABLE TO THAT.
IN A PRIOR AGREEMENT, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE A HUNDRED ACRES FROM THE CITY IN 2009, WE AGREED TO CREATE A HUNDRED ACRES OF PERMANENT PUBLIC ACCESS, GREEN SPACE.
SO IN SUBDIVISIONS, GREEN SPACE ISN'T MAINTAINED FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO HAVE ACCESS HERE AT THE TIME.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE CLOUD PARK WAS AT AT THAT TIME.
'CAUSE THAT'S WAY BEFORE THAT.
BUT WE, LIKE, WE DOUBLED THE CITY'S PARKLAND BY DOING THIS.
AND THAT WAS THE CITY'S INTENT IN OUR A HUNDRED ACRE DEAL, WAS TO CREATE MORE PARKLAND FOR THE CITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO.
SO THIS, WHAT'S OUTLINED IN RED IS ALL PART OF THAT PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT.
IT WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED UNLESS YOU AS A CITY DECIDE TO PUT A FIRE STATION.
THAT'S THE ONE WAY THAT SOMETHING COULD GET DEVELOPED ON IT.
IS THAT THE ONLY THING THAT COULD BE PUT THERE? YES.
YOU COULDN'T BUILD UP MORE HOUSES RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA? NO.
WHERE THERE ARE OTHER HOUSES? NO, NO.
JEAN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE, THE LONG, THE ELONGATED SPACE, I ACTUALLY JUST FINALLY RECOGNIZED IT AFTER STUDYING.
SO, SO WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT BUILDING MORE HOMES THERE,
NO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL A WALKING TRAIL PLUS A CREEK.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE LAST BIG RAIN WE HAD THAT CREEK SWELLS PRETTY BIG.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A GOOD BIT OF IT THAT'S IN A HUNDRED YEAR HOUSES.
I UNDERSTAND THE LONG, THE LONG STRIP.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE, UH, CIRCLE UP THERE, THERE.
WELL, THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS POND.
SO YOU PULL INTO CARRIAGE TRAILS, YOU SEE THAT THERE'S, HOW DEEP IS THAT AREA? THERE'S 150 FEET THERE MAYBE.
OF, OF GRASS AREA THAT WE MAINTAIN IS OPEN SPACE.
IT'S ABOUT TWO ACRES OF GRASS.
YEAH, BUT IT, IT'D BE JAN, IT'D BE JUST LIKE TRYING TO UNDO SOME OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED GREEN SPACE AND GO BACK AND BUILD ON IT.
AND IT'S ONLY, ONLY THE CITY THAT CAN DO THAT.
THAT COULD CHANGE THE A HUNDRED ACRES.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD NEED BE A COMBINATION OF THIS BODY AS WELL AS SEA COUNCIL.
I KNOW THEY'RE BUILDING APARTMENTS ACROSS THE STREET, CORRECT.
WHICH MADE ME BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD APARTMENTS EVENTUALLY.
NO, THIS THE REASON, ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE PLATTING, THIS IS SO THAT WE CAN GET IT, UH, PLATTED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL TO GREEN SPACE.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT DONE OVER THE YEARS.
SO WE'VE BEEN PAYING TAXES ON IT AS, AS REGULAR ACREAGE.
AND THIS'LL BID IN LINE FOR WHENEVER THE HOA HAS TURNED OVER TO THE HOMEOWNERS THAT IT'LL BE ALL GREEN SPACE AND THE TAXES WILL BE ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY.
YEAH, YOU'VE KIND OF HAD TO BACK INTO IT, HAVEN'T YOU? YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO THANK YOU MR. CONWAY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE YOU WISH YOU TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE HEARING? NO ONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO QUEST BY THE APPLICANT DE SAND COMPANY LLC FOR APPROVAL OF REPL PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF CT PARKWAY, EAST OF SILVER, SILVER, LYNN, TO DRIVE CASE RP 25 DASH 15 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JULY 8TH, 2025, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE MOVE BY MR. SCHAPER.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
SECRETARY, YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, THE APPLICANT WILL ROUTE THE, UH, THE VARIOUS PLATS FOR SIGNATURE AND THEN RECORD 'EM WITH, UH, MIAMI COUNTY.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA'S BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IN ROCKFORD HOMES IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOP PLAN FOR A 104 LOT SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT ON 38.8 ACRES.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 44 60 FISHBURG ROAD, PD EDP 25 16.
UH, SO THE, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A, A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING FROM R ONE TO PLANNED RESIDENTIAL.
UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT'S 38.8 ACRES.
UM, THE LAND ADJACENT TO THIS SITE
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ARE ZONED, UH, TO THE WEST AGRICULTURAL, UH, TO THE NORTH, A MIXTURE OF R ONE AND PLANNED, UH, PLANNED RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST R ONE AND AGRICULTURAL AND THEN TO SOUTH, STILL ZONED AGRICULTURAL.UH, SO WHAT'S BEING POST IS A 104, UH, LOT STILL FAMILY HOME DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UH, THIS IS THE SITE OUTLINED IN RED ON FISHBURG.
UM, YOU CAN SEE, UH, FROM THE HILLSIDE SHADING, THERE IS A, A PRETTY BIG TOPOGRAPHIC CHANGE FROM, UH, AS YOU GO FROM WEST TO EAST.
UH, THERE'S A CREEK, REALLY TWO CREEKS, UH, THAT CONVERGE INTO ONE ON THE EAST SIDE OF, OF THE, OF THE SITE, UH, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH A LARGE DRAINAGE CORRIDOR THAT EVENTUALLY FLOWS, UH, DOWN INTO TO THE MIAMI.
UM, THERE IS THEN, UH, A PLATEAU TO THE, UH, TO THE WEST OF MOST OF WHICH WILL BE, UH, IS BEING PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, A MIXTURE OF, UH, 50 FOOT AND 60 FOOT LOTS, UH, 50 FOOT LOTS, UH, UP NEAR FISHBURG.
UH, AND THEN, UH, 60 FOOT, UH, TO THE BALANCE OF THE, OF THE, UH, SITE.
THIS IS MORE OF A CON, UH, CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE, UM, THE, UH, THE SORT OF A SMALLER DENSITY OR GREATER DENSITY, UH, SMALLER LOTS THAN TO PRESERVE THE, THE HILLSIDE AND THE, UH, THE, THE, THE RETENTION POND THAT WOULD BE BUILT ON THE, UH, SOUTHEAST SIDE OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS IS THE, UH, THE TOPOGRAPHY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS THE LOTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WILL TAKE, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT CHANGE IN TOPOGRAPHY.
THOSE WILL BE, UH, WALKOUTS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE GRADING THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE.
THIS IS THE SOUTH SIDE, SO THE LOTS ON SOUTH AND THEN TO THE EAST WILL ALSO BE WALKOUTS.
UH, AND THEN THERE WILL BE A DETENTION POND THAT IS, UH, CONSTRUCTED, WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY BRING INTO THE, INTO THE CREEK THAT EXISTS THERE.
NOW, THERE'S A PUBLIC EASEMENT DRAINAGE DITCH ON THE EAST SIDE.
UH, ONE OF THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS, UH, THAT WE ARE, UH, REQUESTING FOR AN APPLICANT IS A MODIFICATION OF THAT EASEMENT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE CITY TO GET BACK TO THAT DRAINAGE, UH, AREA, TO, TO MAINTAIN IT IN FUTURE.
UH, AS FAR AS DRAINAGE GOES, UH, THESE ARE THE TWO TRIBUTARIES THAT WILL EFFECTIVELY BE, UH, CONSTRUCTED.
SO ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, LOTS, UH, REALLY ALL THE WAY UP TO THE WEST PROPERTY LINE WILL DRAIN INTO THE, THE RETENTION POND.
UH, AND THEN THE VERY SOUTH AREA THAT IS, UH, THE EXISTING CREEK, UM, WILL JUST FLOW NATURALLY INTO THE CREEK LIKE IT DOES, LIKE IT DOES TODAY.
SO THIS SITE WILL TAKE A SUBSTANTIAL, UH, AMOUNT OF GRADING.
THE APPLICANT AND THE ENGINEER, I THINK HAD DONE A GOOD JOB OF, OF TRYING TO WORK WITH THE EXISTING, UH, TOPOGRAPHY OF, OF THIS SITE AND THE CONSTRAINTS THAT THEY'RE FACING BETWEEN THE CREEK AND THE, JUST SORT OF THE NATURAL HILL SIDE.
UH, THESE ARE JUST SOME, UH, FACADE, UH, CONCEPTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.
I DON'T HAVE ALL OF THEM HERE, BUT THERE'S VARIOUS, UH, ONE AND TWO STORY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES VERY SIMILAR TO LEXINGTON PLACE THAT IS TO THE NORTH.
UH, SO AS FAR AS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ANALYSIS, UH, SO THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THE BASIC, THIS, UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE SITE PLAN THAT ILLUSTRATES CIRCULATION LOT LAYOUTS, GRADING, SETBACKS, AND PROPOSED UTILITIES AS WELL AS, UH, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES.
SO THEY SUBMITTED, OR THEY HAVE SUBMITTED WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, AS FAR AS CONOR CONFORMANCE WITH THE REQUESTED, UH, REZONING TO PLAN RESIDENTIAL, UH, ONE FAMILY BOEINGS ARE A PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED USE.
UH, THE DENSITY ON THIS IS, IS FAIRLY LOW.
UH, THE GROSS DENSITY IS 2.6 DWELLINGS PER ACRE.
UM, AND THEN THE NET DENSITY, ONCE YOU PULL OUT THE OPEN SPACE, UH, IS 4.167 DWELLING UNITS.
THIS DISTRICT ALLOWS IN DENSITY UP TO, UH, FIVE DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE.
SO IT IS BELOW THE, THE DENSITY, THE MAXIMUM DENSITY FOR THIS AREA.
UH, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO, AS I SAID, LEXINGTON PLACE THAT IS, UH, JUST TO THE NORTH.
UM, AS FAR, THIS IS THE LOT SIZE AND SETBACK TABLE.
UM, IT'S TOUGHER TO SEE ON HERE THAN IT WAS ON MY COMPUTER.
UM, BASICALLY THERE ARE 30 6200 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND THERE ARE 74, 7500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
UM, THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, UM, SUGGEST THE R FOUR B, THE, THE STANDARD FOR THE, FOR A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, LOT, WHICH WOULD BE A 7,500 SQUARE FOOT LOT MINIMUM FRONTAGE OF SIX OF 60 FEET.
UM, A FRONT SETBACK OF, OF, UH, 25, AND THEN THE SIZE OF EIGHT AND 40 TO THE REAR.
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ALMOST NOBODY WHO IS DEVELOPING PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPS TO THIS STANDARD.THERE'S A MIXTURE, USUALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE, UH, ADVANTAGE OF, OF THE, THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE PLANNED DISTRICT AND WORKING WITH THE NATURAL, UM, CONDITIONS OF, OF THE LOT, EITHER TOPOGRAPHY OR TRYING TO WORK AROUND, UH, SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS, WHICH IS WHY THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING A MIX OF, UH, 65, EXCUSE ME, 6,200 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND, UH, 7,500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
UM, AGAIN, VERY SIMILAR TO, UH, LEXINGTON PLACE.
THE FRONT SETBACK WOULD BE THE SAME FOR ALL, UM, 25 FEET SETBACK, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD, UH, FIVE FOOT ON EACH SIDE AND A 25 FOOT REAR SETBACK.
UM, WHAT IS ALSO ON THE SITE PLAN IS A 50 FOOT REAR BUFFER, UH, ALONG THE WEST, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE WEST AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE REALLY IS NO NEED FOR A BUFFER ON THE EAST SIDE BECAUSE YOU'RE CONSTRAINED BY THE STREAM, WHICH WILL NEVER GET BUILT ON.
UM, AND I DID SHOW SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME BUILDING ELEVATIONS.
UH, THE UTILITY PLAN, UH, ILLUSTRATES THE LOCATION OF THE WATER SEWER LINES.
UM, THERE WILL BE A LIFT STATION THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE STRUCTURED ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH WOULD THEN, UH, THROUGH A FORCE MAIN PUSH, UH, THE SANITARY FLOW INTO A SEWER LINE THAT, UH, IS AT, UH, IS ON FISHBURG.
UH, THERE IS A, LIKE YOU SAW LARGE STORM WATER DETENTION.
UM, I MENTIONED STAFF HAS REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT ADJUSTED BOUNDARIES OF THAT STORM DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
THEY HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY SENT A REVISED DRAWING THAT DOES SHOW A REVISED EASEMENT TO ALLOW A BETTER ACCESS, UH, TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, SIDEWALKS ARE ILLUSTRATED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AS WELL AS FISHBURG.
UM, WE HAVE ASKED THAT THE DEVELOPER INCREASE THE SIDEWALK WIDTH TO SIX FEET ON FISHBURG, UM, RATHER THAN A STANDARD, UH, FIVE FOOT, UM, WALK.
AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE GENERAL STANDARDS OF OF APPROVAL, THE FIRST STANDARD IS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL THOROUGH PLAN, COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, OR OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS.
UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE UPDATED OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
THIS DEVELOPMENT IS IN THE ESTATE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AREA.
THOSE AREAS TEND TO BE MORE RURAL BECAUSE THEY LACK ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE OR CONTAIN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ESTATES DISTRICT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MOST OF IT IS IN LOW LYING AREAS, UM, THAT ARE NEAR, UM, WATERWAYS THAT TEND FLOOD OR IT'S AREAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC UTILITIES AND WILL NOT HAVE PUBLIC UTIL FOR HEIM.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONE REMAINING LOT ON FISHBURG, UH, WEST, UH, OLD TROY PIKE.
THAT'S ACTUALLY DEVELOPABLE, UH, A IT'S LARGE TWO, UH, THERE ARE UTILITIES THAT THAT STUB UPRIGHT TO, TO THIS SITE.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT IS LIKELY THE LAST FEW PROPERTIES IN THAT STATE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT COULD BE ECONOMICALLY DIFFERENT, ECONOMICALLY DEVELOPED BECAUSE OF PROXIMITY TO PUBLIC UTILITY.
UH, STAFF DOES FEEL THAT THE PROPOSED DENSITY IS REASONABLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, GOALS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE ITS ADJACENCY TO LEXINGTON PLACE.
UH, SECOND STANDARD IS WHETHER IT COULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED WITH THE PERIOD OF TIME SPECIFIED IN THE SCHEDULE.
THE DEVELOPER HASN'T GIVEN US A DEVELOPMENT SCHEDULE, BUT IT'S ONLY 104 LOTS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE TAKE DOWN SCHEDULE OF SIMILAR TYPES DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY, UH, THIS IS PROBABLY, THIS IS A PRETTY QUICK BUILD.
UM, YOU KNOW, CARRY TRAIL IS SELLING 80 TO A HUNDRED LOTS A YEAR.
UH, WE SEE A SIMILAR, UM, SCHEDULE PROPOSED FOR CANAL HEIGHTS.
SO WE DON'T THINK THAT THIS WILL, UH, TAKE LONG TO, TO BUILD OUT.
UM, THE THIRD STANDARD OR YEAH, THE THIRD GENERAL STANDARD OF APPROVAL IS WHETHER IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO PUBLIC ROADS THAT ARE ADEQUATE TO CARRY THE TRAFFIC.
SO FISHBURG ROAD IS CLASSIFIED AS A MINOR COLLECTOR, UM, AND DOES HAVE ADEQUATE CAPACITY TO SERVE THAT DEVELOPMENT.
THE APPLICANT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WIDENING THEIR FRONTAGE TO THE CITY STANDARDS, INCLUDING, UM, INSTALLING CURB GUTTERS, SIDEWALKS, DRAINAGE, ALL OF THAT SIMILAR TO THE WAY LEXINGTON PLACE WAS DEVELOPED JUST TO THE NORTH.
AND, AND THE ROADS WILL ALIGN, UM, WITH BOTH SUB, UH, SUBDIVISIONS.
THE, UH, FOURTH STANDARD, WHETHER THE, UH, THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT IMPOSE AN UNDUE BURDEN ON PUBLIC SERVICES SUCH AS UTILITIES, FIRE, PEACE, ET CETERA.
WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE ANY UNDUE BURDEN ON THIS PUBLIC SERVICES.
THIS AREA DOES HAVE ADEQUATE UTILITY CAPACITY.
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THE FIFTH WOULD BE WHETHER THERE ARE, UM, PROPOSED EASEMENTS OR COVENANTS, UM, RELATED TO, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD.SO ANY CONDITIONS THAT WOULD BE IMPOSED BY THIS PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL WILL BE MEMORIALIZED IN THE PUD LEGISLATION.
UH, AND THAT WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT, UH, UNLESS MODIFIED IN THE FUTURE BY EITHER BOARD, UH, AND WILL BE RECORDED.
UM, LAST OR THE NEXT TWO ARE, UH, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS ARE NATURAL FEATURES, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THOSE LANDSCAPING, UM, DISCUSSIONS WILL OCCUR AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.
UM, IF THIS BODY WERE TO APPROVE BASIC AND, UM, COUNSEL SUBSEQUENTLY OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WELL.
UM, THE ITEM D AS WHETHER OR NOT THIS, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT OR APPLICATION PRESERVES NATURAL FEATURES SUCH AS WATER COURSES, TREES, OUTCROPS, ET CETERA.
UM, THE REALLY, THE NATURAL FEATURES ON THIS SITE ARE THE TWO STREAM AREAS THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE.
AND THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES, UH, PRESERVE THOSE AND THOSE WILL REMAIN UNDISTURBED.
UH, THE LAST, UH, COUPLE ARE WHETHER OR NOT, UM, REALLY DEALS WITH LAND CONTOURS IN THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY OF LAYING OUT THE, THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS MORE OF A CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION APPROACH.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT IS BEING CONCENTRATED ON THE UPPER, UH, TOP OF THE SITE, FLATTER AREA OF THE SITE.
THERE WILL BE REGRADING THAT'S REQUIRED ON THE SOUTH AND EAST SIDES.
UH, AND, BUT THOSE AND THOSE LOTS WILL HAVE, UM, WALKOUT BASINS TO CAPITALIZE ON THOSE LAND CONTOURS.
UH, I THINK THAT THE ENGINEERING DEVELOPER HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB WORKING WITH THE NATURAL GRADE AND THE NATURAL FEATURES OF, OF THIS SITE.
THE LAST ONE DEALS WITH UTILITIES.
UH, ALL THOSE UTILITIES WILL BE PLACED UNDERGROUND, LIKE EVERY OTHER SUBDIVISION THAT WE REQUIRE.
UM, EXCESSIVE NOISE, UH, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, EXCESSIVE, UM, TRAFFIC, SMOKE, ET CETERA.
WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS, UH, THIS SITE OR THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, EXCESSIVE USE OF PUBLIC SERVICES.
UM, AGAIN, THE UTILITIES ARE THERE.
UM, THE CAPACITY ON FISHBURG IS THERE.
UM, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF MATERIALS, PROCESSES OR OPERATIONS THAT IS GONNA CAUSE A LOT OF TRAFFIC NOISE, SMOKE OR GLARE.
UM, ASIDE FROM YOUR TYPICAL, UM, RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
LAST IS WHETHER OR NOT THE LAST CONDITION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE REZONING OF THE LAND TO A PUD DISTRICT AND APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPED PLAN SHALL NOT ADV ADVERSELY AFFECT THE, UH, PEACE HEALTH, MORAL SAFETY OR WELFARE STAFF FEELS THAT REZONING TO THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL, UH, DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS, UH, IN THIS AREA.
UH, FIRE HAD COMMENTS RELATED, REALLY JUST RELATED TO THE WAY THE DRAWINGS WERE, UH, WERE LAID OUT.
UM, THE SYMBOLS FOR THE HI FIRE HYDRANTS WERE TOO SMALL.
UH, AND THERE WASN'T A DETAIL ON, UH, THE EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD, UM, THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
UH, THE CITY ENGINEER'S COMMENTS WERE PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT THAT REALLY JUST, UM, DEALS WITH, UH, THERE'S A HIGH PRESSURE WATER SYSTEM THAT IS AT FISHBURG, SO THERE'LL NEED TO BE A PRESSURE REDUCING VALVE THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED PRIOR TO CONNECTING TO, UH, THE, THE CITY WATER SYSTEM.
IT'S HIGHER PRESSURE IN THAT AREA THAN OTHERS.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO US ON JUNE 23RD.
IT'S STAFF'S OPINION THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 11 71 0 6 CAN BE MET AND THAT THE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UH, NUMBER ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH ALL FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO IS THAT THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCT A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG FISHBURG ROAD.
UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, SHOULD MODIFY THE EXISTING STORM DRAINAGE EASEMENT TO REFLECT THE LAYOUT OF THE STREAM AREA AND BETTER AND PROVIDE BETTER ACCESS VIA A PUBLIC STREET OR DRIVEWAY.
UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS ACCESS THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD SUP THAT, UH, SUPPORTS THE, THE LIFT STATION.
SO, UH, STAFF IS, UH, IS, IS, IS PERFECTLY FINE WITH WHAT HAS IS NOW BEEN PROPOSED.
UM, THE FOURTH CONDITION WILL BE THE WATER AND SANITARY LINES WILL BE PLACED IN PUBLIC EASEMENTS.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE, THE FOUR CONDITIONS FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS, UH, CAN TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS WITH A MOTION.
UM, YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION WITH OR WITHOUT THOSE CONDITIONS OR ANY UP THAT YOU, UH, IMPOSE.
UH, RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR TABLE THE APPLICATION FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
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ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. VARGO? UM, COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE IN, OR, OR EXPLAIN TO ME THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING? UH, WHAT IS IT CURRENTLY ZONED? IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE.WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN R ONE IN A STATE? UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CONCEPTS.
THE, UM, THE R ONE DEALS WITH THE ZONING, WHICH IS, IS A LARGER MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
THE ESTATE DISTRICT IS, WE MOVED TO A PATTERN DISTRICT, A DEVELOPMENT, A COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO WE HAVE, WE'VE CUT THE CITY INTO, OR DIVIDED THE CITY INTO BASICALLY FIVE DIFFERENT PATTERNS BASED ON HOW THEY WERE DEVELOPED.
THE ESTATE DISTRICT, I'M NOT SURE IF I HAVE A GOOD AREA.
SO THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY A ZONING.
IT'S DEALS WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THE IDEA BEHIND IT WAS, IT WOULD BE AREAS THAT WE FELT WERE TENDED TO HAVE LARGER LOTS.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK LIKE ENDICOTT ROAD OR UM, OR SOUTH, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF 3, 4, 5 ACRE, UH, LOTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ACCESS TO PUBLIC UTILITIES.
THEY, SOME OF THE AREAS ARE ALSO FLOOD PRONE.
UH, AND SO THE ESTATE DISTRICT WAS TO BASICALLY TAKE IT, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WOULD BE LIMITED DEVELOPMENT, AS I MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THIS IS THE PROBABLY THE SOLE, UM, PIECE OF LAND EAST OF, UH, EXCUSE ME, WEST OF OLD TROY PIKE, THAT HAS ACCESS TO THOSE PUBLIC UTILITIES THAT, THAT MAKE THIS MORE READILY OR MORE EASILY DEVELOPED THAN ANY OF THE OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
BUT AS YOU MOVE DOWN THE ROAD, IT, IT MEANS THE NEXT ONE WILL BE EASY TO ALSO, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE ONLY OTHER ONE WOULD BE, IF YOU LOOK THE, THE SITE, UH, WEST OF ENDICOTT, THERE WAS I BELIEVE 30 ACRES OR 40 ACRES THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS FOR SALE.
THERE HAD BEEN A NUMBER OF DEVELOPERS THAT LOOKED AT THAT, BUT EVEN THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LIFT STATION TO PUSH.
THE PUSH THE WASTE UP TO, UH, BASICALLY THIS INTERSECTION OF, UM, UH, CHURCH DOWNS LANE AND UH, AND, AND THE ROAD THAT'S BEING PROVIDED HERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE A MILLION DOLLAR EXPENSE.
EXPLAIN TO ME THE DIFFERENCE IN R ONE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED.
CURRENTLY ZONED AND R FOUR, WHICH THEY'RE REQUESTING, BUT THEY'RE REQUESTING PLANNED RESIDENTIAL PR.
UM, WHICH IS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE, I GUESS TWO, TWO ISSUES AT HAND HERE.
ONE, OUR ZONING CODE REQUIRES, UH, ANY LANDS THAT ARE GREATER THAN FIVE ACRES TO BE GO THROUGH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO THEY'RE REQUIRED, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THIS SUBDIVISION TO REZONE TO, UM, P PLANNED RESIDENTIAL.
UH, BUT WHAT PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DOES IS GIVES THIS BODY AND THE DEVELOPER FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE MIXED LOT SIZES.
SO YOU COULD HAVE LOTS THAT ORDINARILY WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT ALONG WITH THIS, YOU COULD HAVE LARGE SMA LOTS.
OTHERWISE, ALL IN THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL.
BUT NOW AT WHAT POINT IS THAT APPROVED FOR THE BUILDER AT THIS POINT? OR, UM, IT WOULD BE APPROVED WHEN CA WHEN CITY COUNCIL, IF CITY COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WOULD SET THE LOT SIZE, THE DENSITY, THE CIRCULATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THEM AT THAT TIME.
WHICH WOULD BE COMING FROM THIS BODY.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU.
AND JUST BECAUSE I'M NEW YEAH.
R ONE UHHUH, WHAT WAS, WHAT'S THE MEANING BEHIND R ONE? WHAT'S THAT? I THINK I GOT PLAIN RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE HAVE EIGHT, LEMME GET RIGHT.
WE HAVE EIGHT RESIDENTIAL CLASSIFICATIONS, UH, IN ADDITION TO PLANNED RESIDENTIAL PLANNED MIXED USE, WHICH ALSO ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL.
UH, AND THEY ESSENTIALLY THE LOWER THE NUMBER, THE LARGER, THE LOWER THE DENSITY, SO THE LARGER THE LOT.
SO, UM, I'M GOING OFF MEMORY HERE, BUT I BELIEVE R ONE REQUIRES A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 13,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO A HUNDRED A THOUSAND, YEAH, 13,000.
SO JUST OVER, UH, A QUARTER ACRE.
UH, AND THEN WE GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO R EIGHT, WHICH IS YOUR MULTIFAMILY ZONING FOR STRAY ZONING.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE A, A, A PROVISION IN THE CODE THAT REQUIRES LARGE DEVELOPMENTS TO GO THROUGH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
AND, AND NOT JUST STRAY ZONING.
SO BASICALLY THEY'RE LOOKING TO
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GO ABOUT A LITTLE OVER HALF THE LOT SIZE SINCE THEY'RE LOOKING AT 7,500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.SO THE, THE STRAIGHT ZONING EQUIVALENT WOULD BE BETWEEN, IF THEY WERE TO DO LIKE, AND THIS IS THE WAY LEXINGTON PLACE WAS DEVELOPED, LEXINGTON PLACE WAS DEVELOPED IN PHASES.
SOME OF THE PHASES WERE R FOUR, WHICH WERE 7,500 SQUARE FEET, UH, LOTS.
AND THEN THEY CAME IN WITH SMALLER SECTIONS OF PLANNED RESIDENTIAL WHERE THEY HAVE A MIXTURE OF, UM, 62 OR 6,500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS BECAUSE JUST THEY COULDN'T FIT ENOUGH LOTS IN, IT JUST DIDN'T WORK.
SO THERE WAS A MIXTURE OF 60 FOOT WIDE, 50 FOOT WIDE, AND THERE'S A HANDFUL OF 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS IN LEXINGTON PLACE.
UM, THE LAST REZONING AND THE SHOPPER, I DON'T REMEMBER IF, IF I DON'T RECALL IF YOU WERE A PART OF THE CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO REZONING.
SO THAT WAS PLANNED MIXED USE AND THOSE LOT SIZES WENT FROM, UM, 40 FOOT, 45 FOOT WIDE.
THERE'S A SMALLER 40 FOOT WIDE LOT ALL THE WAY UP TO, UH, I BELIEVE A, A 60 FOOT LOT.
SO TO ACCOMMODATE VARIOUS HOUSE SIZES AND DENSITIES AND OKAY.
AND ULTIMATELY, UH, PRICE POINTS.
AND THEN THE, ON THAT LITTLE CHART THAT YOU HAD THAT HAD PROPOSED IN THE CODE, THAT CODE WAS JUST FOR R FOUR? YEAH.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S NOT A MIXED USE CODE.
THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH DO THE, THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN IS THAT FOR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IN THE, IN THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THE STANDARD IS R FOUR.
WHICH WOULD BE A 7,500 SQUARE FOOT LOT BECAUSE IT'S A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO, TO VARY THOSE.
UM, BASED ON VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY USUALLY ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS, TOPOGRAPHY, YOU'RE WANTING TO NOT DISRUPT STREAMS OR LARGE GROVES OF TREES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND, AND PAST PRACTICE, THIS VARIANCE IS OKAY.
ALMOST EVERY SINCE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND, AND EVEN GOING BACK, UM, ALMOST ALL OF OUR SUBDIVISIONS HAVE VARIOUS LOT SIZES AND LOT WIDTHS THROUGH THEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS? I JUST HAVE ONE MORE.
UM, THIS IS MORE LIKE A PHILOSOPHICAL, I GUESS, IS THE TENDENCY OF THE CITY TO GO TOWARDS, UH, PLANNED RESIDENTIAL AND GET AWAY FROM STREET ZONING.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN COMING BEFORE US MORE AND MORE.
UM, WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT MY, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH A REZONING, UM, A CODE REWRITE STARTING, UM, THIS YEAR.
AND, UM, THE DIRECTION I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE CODE IS MORE STRAIGHT OWNING THAT HAS BETTER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UM, SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS EXPECTED, UH, AND GET AWAY FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS AND, AND RESERVE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS FOR UNIQUE, UH, UNIQUE SITUATIONS.
WE DO A LOT OF, WE DO A LOT OF PLAN DEVELOPMENTS FOR NOT UNIQUE SITUATIONS.
AND SO, WHICH, BUT OUR CODE DOESN'T, AS IT STANDS NOW BECAUSE IT'S OLDER, IT JUST DOESN'T ADDRESS THE NEEDS THROUGH STRAIGHT ZONING.
UM, THAT, THAT THE RESIDENT, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE'VE BEEN GETTING AWAY FROM STRAIGHT ZONING.
AND BECAUSE AGAIN, BECAUSE THEIR CODE REQUIRES, THERE'S A, THERE'S A MINIMUM LOT OR THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT SIZE THAT TRIGGERS THE REQUIREMENT TO GO THROUGH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
YOU'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? OH, NO.
UH, JIM LIP? UH, NINE NINE JIM LIP? NO, FROM ROCKFORD HOMES.
APPRECIATE, UH, YOU LETTING ME TO PRESENT HERE.
UH, AARON, I, IT WAS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW, SO I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD.
BUT I DO WANNA, UH, EITHER EMPHASIZE OR REITERATE A COUPLE POINTS AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE, UM, UNDERSTAND THE CONDITIONS AND ACCEPT, UH, ALL CONDITIONS OF, OF THE MOTION OR THE, UH, CONDITIONS ON THE, UM, UH, FROM HER, UH, ALSO THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG FISHBURG ROAD.
UM, WE'D MATCH WHATEVER SIDEWALKS WERE ON, EITHER PLANNED TO BE UP AND DOWN FISHBURG ROAD AND OR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, IF THAT'S AN EIGHT OR A 10 FOOT ASPHALT PATH, WHATEVER IS CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
IF IT'S SIX FOOT CONCRETE SIDEWALK, THAT'S WHAT WOULD, UM, LET ME SEE THE, THE TIMING, UH, THAT WAS KIND OF NOT ADDRESSED IN OUR THING.
WE BUDGET, WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER OUR PERFORMANCE ABOUT TWO UNITS A MONTH THAT WE WOULD SELL TWO HOMES A MONTH.
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UM, BUT WE ANTICIPATE IN THIS SITUATION TO BE SELL THREE, SO ABOUT 36 A YEAR.SO WE'D BE IN THIS, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR PROBABLY JUST UNDER THREE YEARS.
UNDER WHAT, UNDER THREE YEARS.
SO IT'D BE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS.
UH, WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS SUBDIVISION TWO IS THE, UM, THE SOUTH AND THE EAST PART, BECAUSE IT, WE NAMED THE SUBDIVISION CREEKSTONE BLUFF.
THERE'S A, A SEVERE DROP OFF WITH THE RAVINE, WHICH DOES GIVE US A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO LINE THOSE, UH, THAT BLUFF UP WITH WALKOUT LOTS.
SO WE ANTICIPATE WHAT, WHY WE DID THE 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS UP AT THE FRONT.
WE ANTICIPATE HAVING TWO DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS IN THE SUBDIVISION WITH THE 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS BEING ONE PRODUCT LINE, AND THEN THE REST OF THEM BEING ANOTHER.
OUR ANTICIPATED SALES PRICE STARTS AT ABOUT $500,000.
THE WALKOUT LOTS ALONG THE, THE, THE BLUFF ALONG THE, THE AREA ARE PROBABLY GONNA START QUITE A BIT HIGHER THAN THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S OUR BASE PRICING.
THAT'S BEFORE THE CUSTOMER COMES IN AND ADDS OPTIONS TO IT.
SO, UM, LITTLE BIT JUST BRIEFLY ON ROCKFORD HOMES.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT BIG DOWN IN, IN THE DAYTON AREA, BUT WE ARE A THIRD GENERATION, 40-YEAR-OLD BUILDER OUT OF COLUMBUS, THIRD GENERATION PRIVATELY HELD, UM, THAT, UH, HAS, HAS OUR, OUR THREE PROJECTS GOING DOWN IN, IN THE DAYTON AREA CURRENTLY.
SO, UH, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY AND LOOKING FORWARD TO GET MOVING.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MS. MARGOT, UH, YOU MENTIONED SIDEWALKS ON, ON FISHBURG.
ARE YOU ALSO BUILDING SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY? YES.
THE SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WILL BE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AND FIVE FOOT.
UM, ARE TWO STREAMS WHO WILL MAINTAIN THOSE STREAMS OVER THE YEARS.
THE STREAMS THAT ON OUR, ON THIS PHYSICAL PROPERTY WILL BE ALL THE OPEN SPACE WILL BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
UM, THE CITY ALSO HAS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT OVER, IT'S CALLED SIX MILE CREEK.
IT HAS A DRAINAGE, UH, EASEMENT OVER THAT PORTION OF THE CREEK IN CASE THEY NEEDED TO COME CLEAN IT OUT.
BUT IT'LL BE OWNED AND, AND PREDOMINANTLY MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MAINTAINING THE STREAMS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE AGREEING TO VERBALLY OR IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW STREAMS IN, IN HUBER HEIGHTS MM-HMM
AND OVER THE YEARS, THEY REALLY GET SOME, SOME OF 'EM HAVE HAD SOME REAL ISSUES, UH, FLOODING IN BACKYARDS OR RIP WRAP NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT IN.
WHO DOES THAT? AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE THAT INSTANCE HERE 'CAUSE WE'RE, OUR, THE HOMES ARE PROBABLY 15 FEET ABOVE THE, THE ELEVATION OF THE STREAM, UM, AND THE WALKOUT.
BUT IF ANYTHING NEEDED TO BE MAINTAINED OR FIXED ON, IT'S PART OF DOES THIS IS WITH THE CITY'S REQUIRE, WITH THE CITY'S EASEMENT ON IT, THAT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR TO CLEAN THE STREAM CORRIDOR? CORRECT.
SO THE WAY THIS WOULD BE LAID OUT, YEAH.
IT'S TO CLEAN THE, THE STREAM.
THE, THE, THE STREAM CORRIDOR FOR ANY BRUSH OR DEBRIS AS WELL AS THERE IS EXCESSIVE EROSION.
WE WOULD PROBABLY ADDRESS THAT, UH, WITH RIP WRAP.
BUT MOST OF THE TIME OUR EASEMENTS, UH, ARE AROUND CULVERTS WHERE, UM, THAT'S WHERE THE, YOU GET THE LOG JAMS AND SO WE CLEAN THOSE OUT.
UM, BUT IF THERE IS FLOODING INSTANCES, UM, THE EASEMENT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN AND, AND ADDRESS THAT.
I DON'T EXPECT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANY KIND OF FLOODS LIKE THEY HAD IN TEXAS, BUT OF COURSE THEY DIDN'T EXPECT IT EITHER.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO HAVE THAT IN WRITING.
WHAT? THAT THEY WILL CARE FOR THE STRAIN, UH, THE HOMEOWNER, THE ASSOCIATION, WE, WHICH YOU WILL BE THE ASSOCIATION UNTIL YOU, UNTIL WE TURN IT OVER TO THE HOMEOWNERS, AND WE CAN ADD THAT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, UHHUH
UH, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT IN WRITING RATHER THAN VERBALLY JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF BY SOMEONE.
SO WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT TO BE IN THE, UH, THE COVENANTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, WHICH WE WILL RE UM, WE CAN REVIEW DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT ADEQUATELY ADDRESSES THAT FOR YOU.
UM,
WE, WE PREDOMINANTLY HAVE, I MEAN, EITHER TWO STORY SPLIT LEVEL OR ONE STORY HOMES.
WE HAVE ABOUT 20% OF OUR 20, 25% OF OUR HOMES ARE RANCH STYLE.
ONE STORY, UM, WITH MAYBE 15% OF 'EM.
AND THEN THE REMAINDER ARE, ARE THE, THE TWO STORIES.
AND I'D SAY OUR PRO, PROBABLY OUR SALES MIX IS PROBABLY ABOUT THAT SAME MIXTURE.
SO I, I COULDN'T GIVE YOU, OBVIOUSLY IT'S MARKET DRIVEN.
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OFFERING.AND HISTORICALLY WE SOLD ABOUT THAT SAME PERCENTAGES.
IT, IT'S, I TRY TO KEEP UP WITH THAT KIND OF THING.
AND I HAVE NOTICED, NOT JUST LOCALLY BUT NATIONWIDE, THAT WE ARE BECOMING AN ELDER NATION.
AND, UH, WHICH IS REQUIRING ONE STORY HOMES, NO STEPS.
AND OUR, SOME OF OUR CHIEF AND WE'RE, AND HUBER HEIGHTS, EVERYTHING THAT COMES TO US APPEARS TO BE TWO STORIES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTROL OR MM-HMM
UH, YOU WOULD CERTAINLY OWN PIVOT MORE THAN I MM-HMM
AND YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD STILL BE THE 20%, PROBABLY APPROXIMATELY.
UM, BUT TO KEEP IN MIND ALSO OUR TWO STORY, SOME OF OUR TWO STORY HOMES HAS A FIRST FLOOR MASTER AS WELL.
AND THEN THE SPLIT LEVEL HAS IT ON THAT, THAT KIND OF, THAT MIDDLE LEVEL.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THE 50 FOOT WIDE LOT ALLOWS US TO PUT, UM, WE DO HAVE SOME SMALLER, I, I DON'T WANNA CALL 'EM COLLEGE STYLE HOMES, BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF LIKE THE, THE SMALLER RANGE, KIND OF EMPTY NESTER TYPE LIVING.
THAT'S WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT A MIX OF UNITS.
SO WE GET TWO DIFFERENT KIND OF MARKETS IN ONE SUBDIVISION DURING THE PRESENTATION, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU THIS ONE, BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HIGH PRESSURE WATER SYSTEM.
SO WHAT THE COMMENT WE GOT IS THE WATER LINE ON FISHBURG ROAD IS A HIGH PRESSURE WATER SYSTEM, AND THAT WE WILL NEED TO PUT A PRESSURE REDUCING VALVE IN, UM, THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, OUR FAUCETS AREN'T BLOWING OFF THE, THE, THE, THE WALLS ARE OFF THE SINKS AND THE BATHROOMS. NO, NO.
I'M NOT EVEN CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE THINGS THAT CAN CONTROL THAT.
BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THEY'RE GOING TO BE ENOUGH WATER PRESSURE.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M QUESTIONING WHERE ARE THESE HIGH PRESSURE WATER LINES OR SYSTEMS OR THEY ARE IN THAT AREA? UH, AARON, COULD YOU ANSWER THAT? YEAH.
SO THE, THE, THE WATER SYSTEM THAT COMES DOWN, UM, REALLY CHURCHILL DOWNS, UH, ROAD IS MORE OF, IS A HIGHER PRESSURE THAN OUR STANDARD.
UM, JUST BASICALLY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE WATER TANK UP HERE, AND THIS IS DOWN, DOWN HERE.
AND SO IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST A HIGHER PRESSURE THAT WE'RE NOT PUMPING A HIGHER PRESSURE THAT AREA.
JUST THE GRAVITY'S IS, IS AT IT'S, THAT'S THE EFFECT.
UH, THE TOPOGRAPHY IS WHAT'S CORRECT.
SO MAKE IT A HIGH PRESSURE AREA.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE WANTED THEM TO BE AWARE OF IS THAT THEY WOULD LIKELY NEED TO PUT A PRESSURE REDUCING VALVE IN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.
UM, JUST, AND WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE SURPRISED AND WE DIDN'T WANT HOMEOWNERS, YOU KNOW, FAUCETS BLOWING OFF THE, THE SINK, UH, AFTER THE FACT.
SO THAT WAS ALL THAT WHY OUR ENGINEER JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNEW THAT THIS IS A HIGHER PRESSURE AREA THAN NORMAL.
AND I'M SURE THE HOME OWNERS WILL BE WANTING TO YEAH, WE'LL GET WITH THE ENGINEER AND DETERMINE WHAT THE WATER PRESSURE IS AND WHAT WE'LL NEED TO DO.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S 35 IS THE MINIMUM THAT WE WOULD WANT.
AND THIS IS WAY UP ABOVE THAT.
AND WE, THIS IS, THIS IS ONLY THE BASIC CORRECT, CORRECT.
UM, YOU PLAN TO BUILD THIS START THIS YEAR, OUR ANTICIPATION, ASSUMING THAT WE HAD FULL APPROVALS BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WE WOULD START, UM, ENGINEERING AND WE WOULD DEVELOP MOST OF NEXT YEAR, MAYBE PAVE COME LATE SUMMER.
AND DEPENDING ON HOW FAST WE COULD GET A MODEL OPEN, UM, WE WOULD OPEN FOR SALES TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR.
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE BUILDING IN THREE OTHER AREAS IN DAYTON.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THEY ARE? UH, I, I CAN, THEY'RE NOT PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE YET.
BUT, UH, LATER THIS MONTH WE, SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT I CAN TAKE MY MOTORCYCLE GO FOR A RIDE.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE IN PLANNING.
WE'RE IN THE SAME STAGE AT THOSE, BUT ONE'S IN BEEP CREEK AND ONE'S IN WAYNESVILLE.
IS THERE ONE IN COLUMBUS THAT, OH, YES.
WE'VE GOT, UH, I THINK OPEN RIGHT NOW, 27 28 TO SUBDIVISION IN, IN COLUMBUS.
WHICH ONE WOULD BE THE CLOSEST? UM, SO CLOSEST WOULD PROBABLY NOT MAYBE OUT ON 70.
WE HAVE A HILLIARD SUBDIVISION CALLED TARLETON MEADOWS.
CARLETON, TARLETON MEADOWS, CARL, UM, OR IN PLAIN CITY WE HAVE HOFFBAUER ESTATES IS THE RUN AT HOFFBAUER ESTATES.
UM, THAT MIGHT, AND, AND MITCHELL, MITCHELL HIGHLANDS, UH, THOSE ARE BOTH PROBABLY THE CLOSEST TO HERE.
AND WHAT WILL THIS ONE BE CALLED? UH, THIS, WE'RE GONNA CALL IT THIS ONE.
AND IN HONOR OF THE CREEK AND THE, UH, THE BLUFF THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
GPT MY FIRST TIME I EVER USED IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, JUST ONE, AND THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE OFF BALANCE.
DOES YOUR PROPERTIES GENERALLY HAVE LIKE RECREATIONAL AREAS? DEPENDING ON THE, ON, ON THE SIZE OF IT, IF THIS IS A, I WOULD CONSIDER THIS A RELATIVELY SMALL DEVELOPMENT.
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THREE OR 400 HOMES, WE, WE SOMETIMES ADD, UH, NOT A NECESSARILY A CLUBHOUSE, BUT LIKE A POOL HOUSE.WHICH WAS, IS JUST KIND OF LIKE A, UM, YOU KNOW, AN OUTDOOR PAVILION WITH SOME CHANGING ROOMS, A RESTROOM, UM, FOR, FOR A POOL.
UM, AND THEN, AND DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF IT TOO, WE WOULD, MIGHT DO SOME TOT LOTS OR SOME OR SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PROPOSED AT THIS ONE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY REALLY GENERAL OPEN SPACE OTHER THAN THE POND AREA, WHICH REALLY IS DOWN AT, UH, RAVINE.
WE DO INTEND TO GRANT ACCESS DOWN THERE SO PEOPLE COULD GET DOWN AND WALK AROUND THE POND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? THANK YOU.
I'VE LIVED THERE FOR JUST ABOUT THREE, FIVE YEARS.
AND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE CALL THIS THE PROPERTY ON THE TOP OF THE HILL.
LIKE IF YOU WERE TO GO UP FISHBURG, IF YOU FROM ENDICOTT, YOU GET TO THE TOP OF THE HILL, THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT THEY WANT TO DEVELOP.
WE LIVE, WE GET WATER FROM THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THE BACK, WE LIVE ON FIVE ACRE PARCELS.
I THINK SOMEBODY HAS SEVEN ACRES HERE THAT'S THE SIZE OF OUR PROPERTIES.
SO FOR 45 YEARS IN THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY, WE GET WATER AND I'M TALKING WATER.
AND IT COMES OFF OF 'CAUSE WATER RUNS DOWNHILL AND WE'RE DOWNHILL.
SO WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT IS NOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ASPHALT AND CONCRETE AND PATIO AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THAT WATER CAN RUN OFF.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO US? I, I DON'T THINK I'VE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT, UH, DRAINAGE TILE RUNNING ALONG THE BACK OF, OF OUR PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT.
UM, BECAUSE IT, IT'S GONNA NEED THAT.
AND TO ME, DRAINAGE TILE HAS GOT TO RUN ALONG THE BACK OF ALL OF OUR PROPERTY AND EVEN DRAIN INTO THE CREEK THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWN THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE CREEK.
WE'VE LIVED THERE 45 YEARS, YOU KNOW, UM, ON ENDICOTT ROAD, THE BRIDGE THAT GOES OVER THE CREEK, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TOUCHED THE BOTTOM OF THAT.
SO THAT CREEK CAN RISE A LOT HIGHER THAN, AND NOW PARTICULARLY WITH THE, UH, WITH ALL THE STUFF THAT WE'RE SEEING TAKING PLACE, THE RAIN AMOUNT OF RAIN THAT WE'RE SEEING EVERYWHERE, YOU CAN'T GO ON EVEN THAT AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT HEIGHT THAT I'VE SEEN, 45 YEARS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THAT.
IS ANYONE THINKING OF PUTTING ANY DRAINAGE TILE ALONG THE BACK OF ALL THE, THERE'S FOUR PROPERTIES? YEAH, I CAN EXPLAIN HOW THE DRAINAGE IS GONNA WORK IF YOU'D LIKE.
SO THERE WILL BE DRAINAGE TILE, UH, THERE WILL BE SWALES THAT GO INTO OUTLETS THAT KEEP THE WATER FROM COMING ONTO YOUR PROPERTY.
YOU, YOU ACTUALLY, THIS ELLA SHOULD ADDRESS YOUR, YOUR RUNOFF ISSUES.
AND IF IT DOESN'T, WHO DO WE HOLD RESPONSIBLE? DO WE HOLD THESE, THESE PEOPLE HERE? THE ROCKFORD PEOPLE ARE HUBER HEIGHT BECAUSE YOU'RE OKAY.
SO IT WOULD BE A MIXTURE OF, UH, DEVELOPER AND THE CITY BECAUSE WE WOULD BE REVIEWING AND IMPROVING ALL OF THE DRAINAGE PLANS.
WELL I I WILL DEFINITELY MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.
SO I HEARD A GENTLEMAN HERE ASK A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
HE SAID, IS THERE GONNA BE ANY RECREATIONAL AREA FOR THIS, THIS 104 HOMES? AND THE ANSWER WAS NO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LARGE ENOUGH, UH, SUBDIVISION TO DO SO.
OKAY? THERE IS NO IS IS THERE GONNA BE SOME SORT OF PRIVACY FENCE BUILT ALONG THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY? 'CAUSE IF YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA STOP OKAY.
FOR THEIR PROPERTY, AND THERE'S KIDS AND THEY HAVE TO LIVE ON WHAT I CALL A POSTER SIZE, UH, BACKYARD.
WHERE DO YOU THINK THE KIDS AND THE PEOPLE ARE END UP? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA POLICE OUR PROPERTY, WE DON'T WANNA CHASE PEOPLE OFF, BUT WE FEEL WITHOUT A DOUBT, UNLESS THERE IS SOME, SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW,
BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOTHING.
SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT PROBLEM RIGHT NOW? NO FENCING IS BEING PROPOSED.
WELL, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PROPOSED SERIOUSLY.
UH, WE, IN, IN THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY, WE ARE PARTLY WOODED.
AND THEN WE ARE PARTLY ALMOST CUT TO, TO BASICALLY THE PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE WE WORK BACK THERE.
WE, UH, WE BASICALLY, UH, WE BURN WOOD.
WE HAVE A WOOD SPLITTER BACK THERE.
I WOULD NOT WANT CHILDREN, UH, BACK THERE EVEN MESSING WITH IT OR ANYTHING.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BARNS ON OUR PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO PUT UP, YOU KNOW, CAMERAS NOW THAT I'M GONNA HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THE BACKYARD AND THEY ARE IN MY BACKYARD.
THAT IS THE HONEST TO GOD'S TRUTH.
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SO I STRONGLY FEEL THAT IF THIS GOES THROUGH, THEN WE DEFINITELY NEED A PRIVACY FENCE RUNNING ALONG THE FOUR PROPERTIES ON ENDICOTT.YOU KNOW WHICH ONES I'M TALKING ABOUT? I DO.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AS A YOUNG BOY, WOULD YOU HAVE STOPPED IF YOU HAD NO PLACE TO PLAY EXCEPT YOUR LITTLE POSTAGE STAMP BACKYARD? WOULD YOU STOP IF YOU SAW WOODS AND A PLACE GO AND PLAY? I WAS AN ANGEL
AND AND NONE OF YOU, NONE OF YOU WOULD, NONE OF YOU WOULD HAVE AS YOUNG AND, AND WE JUST DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT THAT HEADACHE.
AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU WOULD WANT THAT HEADACHE.
AND I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT HAVE TO GO YELL AT PEOPLE AND PLEASE PEOPLE.
SO IF THIS IS GONNA GO THROUGH, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THOSE FOUR PROPERTIES THAT BACK UP AGAINST THIS.
THAT IT, I MEAN, IF NOT, IT'S GONNA BE CALL THE POLICE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE TRESPASSING AND I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THAT.
AND I DON'T THINK YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WANTS THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE TRACTORS.
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO COME IN MY PROPERTY AND GET HURT WHEN I'M NOT THERE.
WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO? DO I HAVE TO PUT UP ALL THESE SECURITY CAMERAS AND CATCH EVERYBODY AND CALL THE POLICE ALL THE TIME? NO, I DON'T WANT THAT.
I'M, I'M 81 YEARS OLD, I DO NOT NEED THAT HEADACHE.
BUT I DON'T WANT THE TRESPASSING ON MY PROPERTY AND I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD EITHER.
AND THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP IT.
NOTHING TO STOP IT UNLESS YOU PUT UP A, A DECENT IZED PRIVACY FENCE.
I YOU GOT ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? OKAY, SHE CAN FINISH AND THEN I I'LL GET HER COUNSELOR AND WHEN SHE'S DONE, WELL, I GUESS NOBODY'S ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'M DONE OR NOT.
NOBODY, UM, YOU, YOU THINK IT'S OKAY TO PASS THIS AND TO SAY IT'S OKAY, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THESE MAJOR CONCERNS AND TRUST ME, WE WILL BE CALLING POLICE.
WE HAVE TRESPASSING ON OUR PROPERTY AND IT'S NOT JUST MY PROPERTY.
I'M TALKING FOUR OR FIVE, FOUR PEOPLE, FOUR PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT BACK RIGHT UP AGAINST THIS.
BUT THE ONE PERSON THAT DOESN'T BACK UP, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU ABOUT 'EM BECAUSE I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR THEM, AND THEY'RE AN OLDER COUPLE AND THEY'RE NOT IN THE BEST OF HEALTH AND THE WATER COMES ACROSS.
SO IT'S HIGHER WHEN YOU'RE OVER BY FISHBURG.
AND THEN ACTUALLY THERE WAS A RAVINE AND THE NEXT PROPERTY OVER AND THEY DID SOME CLEARING OH, CLEARING OF THEIR LAND AND SOME, AND THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE IS THE ROSES.
THEY GET A FOOT OF WATER IN THEIR POLE BARN IN THE SPRINGTIME.
AND IF THIS DOES NOT MAKE IT BETTER, YOU'RE PROMISING ME, I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR THEM.
I CAN ADJUST THEIR TRAINING IF YOU, YOU WANT.
YOU WANT ME TO MOVE EARLY? OKAY.
YOU HAVE A RED ON THAT THING? NO, IT DOESN'T WORK.
WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AND IDENTIFY THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, A LOT OF THE PROPERTY TO THAT, TO THAT SIDING GOING DOWN THE HILL, UM, THE REASON PLUS A LOT OF IT'S IN THE FLOOD.
SO THAT'S WHY A LOT OF THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED.
BUT WHEN WE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, UH, BUT OUR ENGINEERS DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT, SO PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION OR PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT, THEY QUANTIFY HOW MUCH WATER IS CURRENTLY LEAVING THE SITE EXIST.
WE'RE DONE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO EXCEED THE, THE CURRENT RUN.
NOW THE WAY WHAT
SO WE'RE NOT PUTTING MORE WATER INTO THAT CREEK.
GOES THERE ON LIKE A, YOU KNOW, PARA, BUT INSTEAD OF ALL RUNNING DOWN NORWAY, IT'S COLLECTED AND PUT OVER THE FACE WHERE IT'S OUT.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE A
NOW YOU'RE STILL GONNA GET YOUR, WHATEVER RAIN FALLS ON YOUR PROPERTY IS STILL GONNA RUN YOUR WAY.
THE CREEK FROM UPSTREAM MAY STILL HAVE WATER PUT INTO IT.
YOU STILL MAY HAVE ISSUES, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER THAN IT IS TODAY BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE WATER FROM THIS 80 OR 38
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ACRES AND PUT IT INTO THAT POND AND THEN RELEASE THAT AT THE SAME RATE, WHATEVER THE ENGINEERS PICK ON, WHATEVER THE PREDEVELOPMENT RATE IS.OKAY, WELL I'LL KEEP MY FINGERS CROSSED.
POND, THEY'RE GONNA USE THAT POND.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S WHERE THAT POND IS LOCATED.
IT LIKE THE HIGH POINT OF THE, THE SITE.
IT DOESN'T THERE, DID YOU SAY YOU'RE REROUTING THE CREEK EMPLOYEE? NO.
I HOPE, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
WHEN, UH, SHE'S DONE, YOU CAN COME UP AND SPEAK.
I'M, I JUST GONNA ADD ON WHAT HE WAS SAYING THEN YOU'RE NEED TO COME UP AND TALK, SIR.
WELL THEN I GUESS THE, THE, UH, THE UNANSWERED THING IS ABOUT OUR PRIVATE EVENTS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING ON OUR PROPERTY AND IT'S A WOODS AND IT'S GONNA ATTRACT YOUNG PEOPLE AND WHATEVER.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS, AND WE HAVE NO WAY OF STOPPING IT.
BUT WE'LL BE CALLING THE POLICE SO YOU GUYS DON'T MAKE MANDATORY TO HAVE A, UH, A PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THERE.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS? SURE.
DO I NEED TO RESTATE MY NAME? OKAY.
UH, AS FAR AS FIRST OF ALL, THE, UH, TRESPASSING, BY ALL MEANS, IF RESIDENTS GO OFF THEIR PROPERTY AND ON YOUR PROPERTY, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO, TO CALL, UH, THE POLICE TRESPASSING.
UM, NOWHERE IN THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS CODES A FEW RIGHTS IS FENCING REQUIRED IN, IN A SUBDIVISION.
SO WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY SUBDIVISION, NOR DO WE WANT TO.
UM, NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO LOOK AT A STOCKING WALL.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE DID CREATE 50 FOOT BUFFER.
50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THAT PROPERTY, LINE OF OPEN SPACE.
WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE BACKS OF THOSE LOTS TO DEMARCATE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LOT AND THE OPEN SPACE IS WE, UM, WE HAVE IN THE PAST PUT, UM, LIKE BOLLARDS ON THE BACK, ON THE, ON THE, SOME OF THE BACK PROPERTY CORNER TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT'S WHERE THEIR PROPERTY STOPS.
WE DO THAT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
WE, THAT PEOPLE DON'T PUT SWING SETS OVER AND INTO THE COMMON AREAS.
UM, IT'S TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE BACK THERE MOWING.
UM, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE JUST TO ASSUME THAT THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY.
NOW, WHERE THERE IS AN EXISTING TREE LINE, WE ARE GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT, THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER, THERE'S TREES IN IT, ARE GOING TO REMAIN, UM, WHERE THERE IS GAPS IN IT.
WE WILL ADD SOME SUPPLEMENTAL LANDSCAPING WHEN WE GET TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THE 50 FOOT BUFFER, EXCUSE ME, MA'AM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, MA'AM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP AND TALK ON TO THE STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE AND SIGN IT.
MY NAME IS JERRY HAMILTON AND I ALSO LIVE IN THIS AREA ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, I GUESS I JUST WANT A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THIS 50 FOOT FOOT BUFFER, BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE MORE ACCOMMODATING.
'CAUSE I'M LOOKING, THERE'S AT LEAST 15 HOMES ALONG THAT AREA THAT WILL HAVE BACKYARDS THAT, BUT UP INTO OUR, OUR AREA, WHICH, HOW WOULD THEY KNOW WHERE IT WAS? UM, THERE IS A TREE LINE, UH, AND I FEEL LIKE A PRIVACY FENCE MATTER ISN'T THE SAME AS HAVING HUGE FENCES IN A SUBDIVISION.
THIS ISN'T IN THE SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS AT THE BACK END OF THE SUBDIVISION WHERE THOSE 15 HOMES THAT, BUT UP TO OUR PROPERTY ARE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE THE MOST, UH, IMPACT.
SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION WAS WHAT YOUR BUFFER 50 FOOT BUFFER, UH, SURE, GO AHEAD.
SO THE, THE 50 FOOT BUFFER WE DO, UM, I MEAN IT WAS TYPICAL SUBDIVISION BY WHAT IS REQUIRED BY CODE.
IS IT A 50 FOOT BUFFER? IT'S A 20 FOOT BUFFER REQUIRED BY CODE.
SO WE, WE ARE VOLUNTARILY ADDING ANOTHER 30 FEET ONTO THAT.
UM, A LOT OF THE REASON THAT WE DID THAT, THERE IS A TREE LINE ON THERE.
I DO NOT WANT TO CUT DOWN A SERIAL, THE TREE LINE TO FENCE.
AND I WOULD, WOULD ADVISE AGAINST THAT.
BUT, BUT I WILL COMMIT TO IS ADDING THOSE BALLARDS ALONG THE BACKS OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
DEMAR CAPE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LOT AND THE OPEN SPACE.
SO A BUFFER IS JUST A SPACE? IT'S JUST A SPACE? YES.
IN THIS CASE IT'S GONNA BE PREDOMINANTLY WOOD.
WHEN YOU, YOU GOING HAVE TO COME BACK UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND TALK, YOU GOTTA GET UP.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS GETTING, I'M SORRY.
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DO EXCAVATING, EVEN THOUGH YOU TEND TO LEAVE, LIKE YOU SAVE TREES, OKAY.I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE OF CLEARING LAND, YOU MAY BE CLEARING OTHER, OTHER THINGS.
AND THEN YOU DISRUPT THE TREES OF THE TREES, YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOCK DOWN.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? THE ROOTS GET DISTURBED AND TREE DIES AND THAT THAT'S A KNOWN, SO I'M JUST, JUST TELLING YOU ABOUT THAT.
IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT GONNA DISTURB THOSE TREES, WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR OUT YOU HAVE TO BE THAT YOU DON'T DISTURB THEM, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, YES, I'M AWARE THAT TREES DO DIE.
UM, THEY GET STRESSED OUT DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR.
AS LONG AS WE DON'T PILE, UM, YOU KNOW, DIRT CHANGE THE GRADE TOO MUCH AROUND THEM.
OUR SUCCESS RATE WILL BE GOOD.
BUT WE WILL REMOVE ANY INVASIVE SPECIES.
UM, ANY DEAD DYING IN DISEASE TREES, WE WILL REMOVE FROM THERE.
UH, AND IF THERE ARE LARGE GAPS, WE'LL AUGMENT THAT OR COMPLIMENT THAT WITH ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
AND BECAUSE THAT IS OPEN SPACE ON THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION PROPERTY, IF TREES DIE, IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
THE HO'S RESPONSIBILITY, WHICH WE MAINTAIN UNTIL WE TURN OVER THE LAST LOT, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE DOWN THAT DEAD TREE.
IF ANY OF THE TREES THAT WE PLANTED DIED, WE REPLACE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? I'M NOT 81 CHARLES HALL.
I LIVE ON POWELL ROAD, UH, DIRECTLY SOUTH OF BUDDING.
UH, THE QUESTION I HAD WAS THE DRAINAGE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE, THAT SITS IN YOUR 50 FOOT BUFFER.
IS IT IN A SWALE SUCH THAT IF WE HAVE A GULLY WASHER THERE, IT'S GOING TO TRY TO KEEP MOST OF IT IN THERE? OR DO WE HAVE ENOUGH STORM DRAINS IN THERE TO DO THAT? COULD YOU RESTATE THAT? NO,
THE, THE DRAINAGE TO THE WEST MM-HMM
IS, IS IT A DEEP ENOUGH SWALE OR A WIDE ENOUGH SWALE TO HANDLE AT LEAST THE SAME STORM THAT'S HANDLED BY THE DETENTION POND? YES.
IF YOU'RE DONE ANSWERING, I'LL, I, MR. CHAIRMAN AGAIN, UH, JIM LIP KNOWS, UH, SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN FINAL ENGINEER.
WE DON'T GET INTO FINAL ENGINEERING UNTIL WE GET PAST THIS STAGE.
THIS IS THE REZONING, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO WE'VE NOT SIZED THE PIPES YET.
UM, AARON WILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHAT YOUR SUBDIVISION RE REGULATIONS ARE.
STORM WATER, UM, KNOW OUR ENGINEERS WORK IS WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERS, THE CITY ENGINEERS ON WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT STORM EVENTS WE HAVE TO DESIGN FOR.
BUT WE'RE NOT AT THE DESIGN STAGE AT THIS POINT.
BUT WILL THEY EAT THE CITY'S REGULATIONS? 100%.
IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT, IT WILL MR. YEAH, NO.
AS AFTER IT GETS THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WE GO THROUGH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT, UH, PHASE, THEN WE WILL, WE'LL LOOK AT THE STORM WATER, UH, REPORTS, SIDING OF THE PIPES, THE, YOU KNOW, FLOW RATE FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM, ALL OF THAT.
UM, AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IT'S ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS.
AND WILL WE BE NOTIFIED OF WHEN THE DETAILED PLANS ARE AVAILABLE? YES.
I HAVE A COUPLE GENERAL QUESTIONS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND THE SCHOOL IS, I, I'M NOT SURE, IS THERE A DEAD ZONE AROUND THE SCHOOL? LIKE A MILE RADIUS WHERE ALL THE KIDS HAVE TO WALK RATHER THAN BEING BUSED THAT I CANNOT ANSWER.
WELL, 'CAUSE I, I TOOK A LOOK AT IT.
A LOT OF PLACES DO ONE MILE, TWO MILE KIND OF THING.
AND THIS IS UNDERNEATH ONE MILE, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT PEOPLE GOING TO WISEN BORN WOULD HAVE TO WALK AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO WALK UP FISHBURG, NO SIDEWALKS.
RIGHT? SO THERE WOULD BE BUS BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS.
SO THEY'RE GETTING DISPENSATION AND THE SCHOOL BOARD'S GONNA HAVE TO EAT THAT.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AT LEAST IN THE FUTURE.
THERE'S A THING CALLED SAFE, UH, SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS.
AND, AND IT WOULD BE GOOD TO START THAT NOW.
YEAH, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF THOSE GRANTS.
WE'RE GONNA GO AFTER A FEW MORE.
THERE ARE AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT WE WANT TO, TO, UM, IMPROVE THAT CONNECT THAT CONNECTIVITY.
UH, WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF FISHBERG PROPOSED? THE WIDTH OF FISHBERG PROPOSED 60, SO IT'D BE 30 TO A HALF GOING OFF.
I COULDN'T GET IT OFF THE WEBSITE.
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OH, UH OH.THAT'S THE 50 FOOT SECTION THAT
SO I, I BELIEVE IT'S A HUNDRED OR 120 FEET WIDE.
SIR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MORE THAN TWO LANES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M, UH, WORRIED ABOUT IS NOT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S OUT THERE, BUT THE SPEED OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE HILL.
AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE OPEN TO MORE TRAFFIC, AT LEAST IN THE NEAR FUTURE BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN CONSTRUCTION ON POWELL, WHEN A PERSON COMING OUT ONTO THE STREET NEEDS TO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED ASSURED CLEAR DISTANCE BASED ON SEVEN FOOT BACK FROM THE FACE OF CURB.
AND BEING ABLE TO SEE BOTH WAYS.
IT, IT TAKES A LOOK AT RIGHT TURNOUT, LEFT TURNOUT, OR STRAIGHT ACROSS.
OF COURSE, THE TURNOUT'S GONNA BE THE LONGEST NEEDED.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE ASSURED CLEAR DISTANCE WITH JUST THEM, UH, MAY CLEARING IT OUT FOR THE, THE BIGGER ROAD.
YOU MAY HAVE TO, YOU MAY HAVE TO GET INTO OTHER PIECES RIGHT OF WAY OR SOMETHING CLEAR OUT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S EVEN FURTHER ON THAT.
I'D LIKE FOR SOMEBODY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND ALONG WITH THAT, YOU NEED TO DO A SPEED STUDY OF THE ROAD.
ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T HIT THEIR BRAKES ONCE IN A WHILE GOING DOWN THAT HILL IS GONNA GO FASTER THAN 35 MILES AN HOUR.
AND THAT'S WHAT A CLEAR DISTANCE IS BASED ON.
IT'S, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE BASED ON EITHER THE 85TH PERCENTILE OF THE SPEED THAT YOU SEE OUT THERE, OR THE SPEED LIMIT WHICHEVER'S GREATER.
'CAUSE IF, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE SCHOOL BUSES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TRASH TRUCKS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING OUTTA THERE.
YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO BE IN TROUBLE TRYING TO GET OUT.
UH, I'M, I'M AWARE THAT THE SANITARY HAS BEEN DEFICIENT FOR MANY YEARS.
IT'S, AND THERE'S SOME UPGRADES HAVE BEEN MADE, UPGRADES HAVE BEEN MADE IN TIP.
CITY UPGRADES HAVE BEEN MADE IN VANDALIA TO, TO TRY TO HOLD BACK WATER BECAUSE NEITHER ONE OF THEM ARE BUILDING BIGGER INTERCEPTORS.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE UPGRADES TO THE HUBER HEIGHTS AREA ARE NOT BEEN MADE NOW, BUT ARE SCHEDULED IN THE FAIRLY NEAR FUTURE.
WE'VE BYPASSED PUMP AT LITTLE YORK AND TAYLORVILLE SINCE I'VE LIVED OUT HERE.
EVERY TIME WE GET A HEAVY STORM, THERE'S, THERE'S A PUMP AT THAT WHERE, WHERE THE BRIDGE IS PUMPING INTO THE RIVER.
I THINK IT'S TIME TO STOP AT, AND THIS IS JUST ADDING TO IT.
NOW, IF YOU CAN FIND OUT IF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE HUBER HEIGHTS AREA OF, OF THE BIG STORM SEWER THAT COME DOWN FROM TIP CITY OR SANITARY, MAYBE IT'S OKAY FOR 'EM TO BUILD, BUT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE HOW YOU, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE BYPASS PUMPING WHILE THEY PUT MORE INTO THE SYSTEM? STORM SEWER? UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE OFFAL? DOES ANYBODY, OR YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET? WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED IT.
I'LL, I'LL BE GLAD TO SEE IT WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
AND, AND RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE DETENTION BASIN, I UNDERSTAND.
IS THE HOV, DOES THE CITY HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE FOR TAKING OVER THAT? BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN MANY OF THESE DETENTION BASINS THAT HAVE BEEN BANNED BY HOVS TURTLE CREEK'S REAL CLOSE AND GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
SO THE CITY NEEDS TO HAVE SOMETHING AVAILABLE TO TAKE THAT OVER BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA KEEP KEEP IT UP.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF TREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM FOR TREES THAT COME DOWN THAT YOU'RE GONNA TAKE DOWN? YOU HAVE SAID VEGETATION ALONG CERTAIN AREAS IN THAT, BUT IF, IF WE'VE GOT SOME NICE TREES OUT THERE AND YOU TAKE A NICE TREE DOWN, IS THERE SOME KIND OF A REPLACEMENT? A TWO FOR ONE, THREE FOR ONE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? AND I THINK THAT'S Y'ALL FOR NOW UNTIL I SEE THE FINALS DETAILED AVAILABLE PLAN.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, SO I THINK EVERYTHING, UH, HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND OR ANSWERED WITH REGARDS TO THE SITE DISTANCE.
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WITH OUR ENGINEERING, WE, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO A SITE DISTANCE ANALYSIS.SO WE, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT WE ARE WIDENING OUR PART, OUR FRONTAGE IN OUR PART OF FISHER ROAD, UM, TO, IS IT A FULL THREE LANE WIDTH TO A FULL THREE LANE WIDTH? UM, THE SANITARY, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT UNTIL WE
UH, UH, THE TREE REPLACEMENT, AGAIN, WE'LL GET INTO THE LANDSCAPING AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO I'M GONNA DEFER THAT UNTIL THEN.
BUT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A TREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE GONNA COME IN WITH A FULL LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT, THAT, THAT YOU CAN, THAT YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO REVIEW.
SO AS FAR AS THE SANITARY, SO, UM, I'M ALSO, RIGHT NOW THE CHAIRMAN OF TCA, UH, WE JUST, UM, UH, ISSUED THE CONTRACT FOR THE MUD RUN INTERCEPTOR PROJECT.
UM, SO THAT WILL, IF NOT CONSTRUCTION HAS STARTED OR WE'LL START, YOU KNOW, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT.
UH, AND YES, WE BUILT EQ TANKS UP OFF OF TAYLORSVILLE, UH, NEAR TAYLORSVILLE DAM TO ADDRESS THE OVERFLOW FROM TIP CITY.
UM, THE MUD RUN INTERCEPTOR PROJECT WILL IS UNDERWAY.
UH, AND THEN WE WILL BE STARTING UPGRADES TO THE TRI-CITIES, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
UM, HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND ALSO THE STORM SEWERS THAT'S COMING UP THROUGH ENDICOTT AREA.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE MUD RUN INTERCEPTOR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? YOU GO AHEAD, SIR.
AND PLEASE EVERYONE SIGN IN IF YOU, IF YOU COME UP, YOU HAVE SIGNED IN, NEED YOU TO SIGN I'M JOY.
SO I LIVE AT, UM, 45 17 FISHBURG AND I JUST HAVE KIND OF TWO QUESTIONS.
WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA WIDEN ROAD, WHERE'S THE ROADING WIDEN? BECAUSE MY HOUSE SITS RIGHT OUT ON THE ROAD, SO, AND I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE WIDENED ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON THE, ON THEIR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE.
WHERE ARE THE ROADS COMING OUT ONTO FISHBURG? HOW GETTING IN AND OUT OF THIS PLACE? THERE WOULD ONLY BE ONE THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THIS LINE.
UP WITH, UM, UH, THE, THE NEW HOUSES.
AND WHY AM I DRAWING A BLANK ON THE RED TRACK? YEAH.
'CAUSE IT'S SHOWING A ROAD OVER HERE ON THE BACKSIDE TOO.
SO WHERE LEXINGTON PLACE, UH, WHERE THAT ROAD, CHURCHILL, DOWN ROAD, UHHUH
AND WHAT'S THIS OTHER ROAD? THAT OTHER ONE IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IF THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT AT THAT INTERSECTION, UM, IT'S AN EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET BACK THERE, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE USED OTHER THAN AN EMERGENCY.
SO EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING IS GONNA BE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD? NOT MY SIDE.
I JUST WONDER LIKE WITH THESE HOUSES SELLING FOR $500,000 A PIECE, I MEAN, PEOPLE IN CARRIAGE HILL, THEIR KIDS GO TO BETHEL SCHOOLS.
THOSE KIDS WON'T GO TO BETHEL SCHOOLS.
I'D BE HARD PRESSED TO BUY A HOUSE WHERE MY KIDS GO.
I MEAN, MY KIDS ALL WENT TO HUBER SCHOOL, SO DID I, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE SAME SCHOOLS ANYMORE, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD SELL FOR THAT.
IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TIME WILL TELL MM-HMM
YOUR NAME AGAIN? UH, JERRY HAMILTON.
AND I, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE THE PROPER TERM FOR WHAT MA MR. CHAIRMAN IS THAT, THAT'S FINE, YES.
MR. CHAIRMAN JERRY HAMILTON AGAIN, UM, WHEN YOU MENTIONED HOMER'S ASSOCIATION FROM YOUR GROUP, DIRECT THE QUESTION TO US PLEASE.
UH, THE ROCKFORD, YOU WILL HAVE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATES.
I'M ADDRESSING IT TO HIM, I GUESS, RIGHT.
YOU NEED TO ADDRESS IT TO US AND THEN HE HAS IT TO RESPOND.
UM, MY QUESTION IS THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, AND HE MADE MENTION TO THE FACT THAT AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT IS DONE, THAT THEY WILL WITHDRAW FROM THAT AND THERE WILL BE LIKE A SURROGATE.
THERE WILL BE SOMEBODY WHO IS THEN IN CHARGE AS THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
ROCKFORD WOULD, WOULD OWN AND MAINTAIN, OR I'M SORRY, BE THE DECLARANT OF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE TURNED OVER THE LAST LOT TO THE RESIDENCE.
AND AT THAT TIME, WE HOLD ELECTION IN THE ACTUAL RESIDENCE OF THE SUBDIVISION ON THE BOARD OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
YOU'RE TALKING, I'M ADDRESSING YOU.
OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ROAD.
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NO ONE'S MENTIONED.DO YOU EVER COME ON THAT ROAD WHEN THEY'RE HAVING THEIR, UH, SOCCER GA GAMES DOWN THERE? DO YOU KNOW THE TRAFFIC IS NOT STOPPED? I CAN EI CAN HARDLY GET OUT OF ENDICOTT ROAD.
I MEAN, IT'S THAT BAD ON THE WEEKEND.
AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TOURNAMENTS OTHER TIMES AS WELL.
SO WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER 104 HOMES WITH PROBABLY TWO CARS PER HOME.
UM, IS THERE GONNA BE A, A STOPLIGHT GONNA BE FOR THESE PEOPLE TO GET OUT OR NOT? I MEAN, IS THERE A PLAN FOR THAT? BECAUSE, I'M SORRY, BUT, UH, WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ON, ON ENDICOTT, I MEAN, NOT ENDICOTT BURG, UM, TO SAY THAT IT'S SAFE THE WAY IT IS, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SAFE.
NOT ONE BIT SAFE UNLESS YOU GUYS DO SOMETHING TO GET THE ROAD FIXED.
OKAY? 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE DIPS AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH ARE NASTY.
UM, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE, OKAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY OR MAYBE YOU COULD FIND A GRANT SOMEWHERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S POSSIBLE IN THIS CASE, UM, TO GET THE ROAD FIXED THE WAY IT COULD BE A A, YOU KNOW, A TWO LANE WITH A, A TURNING BECAUSE TYPE OF TRAFFIC YOU ARE NOW TAKING INTO THIS RURAL AREA.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT UNLESS YOU LIVE THERE AND, AND DEAL WITH IT DAY IN, DAY OUT.
THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE YOU MAKE FINAL DECISION.
AND THE SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T PASS THE LEVIT FOR SCHOOLS.
THE SCHOOLS ARE BUSTING AT SEA NOW, NOW YOU'RE GONNA BRING OKAY, ANOTHER, ALL THESE FAMILIES, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ALL THOSE APARTMENTS THAT YOU'VE BUILT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S GROWTH.
TRUST ME, I'VE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY SAD WHEN I THINK BACK ABOUT WE ALL THE RURAL AREA IN, IN, UH, IN THE HEIGHT IS, I MEAN, IT'S GONE.
IT IS A VERY SAD THING AND THE SCHOOLS DON'T SUPPORT THIS.
OKAY? I DON'T BELIEVE THE ROAD SUPPORTS IT, AND I PERSONALLY JUST FOR MY ISSUE, BUT I'M GONNA ACCEPT THIS GENTLEMAN'S UNDERSTANDING THAT I'M NOT GONNA GET BLOOD OUT.
UM, AND I, I GUESS I CAN CALL THE POLICE WHEN THEY, AND THEN, WHICH IS GONNA BE ADDED COST TO THE HEIGHTS, UH, WHEN I'VE GOT SSES ON MY PROPERTY, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU, SO WILL MY NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK WITH THIS CASE? WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF IT.
DOES ANYONE ON THE DIOCESE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD OR ASK? JUST ONE QUESTION BECAUSE I TOO SURE.
AM NEW, UM, IS THE VERBIAGE REGARDING THE 50 FOOT BUFFER AND THE OTHER MECHANISM YOU ALLUDE TO, IS THAT WRITTEN ALREADY IN HERE? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE QUESTION FOR MR. SORELL OR THE BUILDER.
SO THE, UH, THE 50 FOOT BUFFER IS DELINEATED ON, ON THE PLANS THEMSELVES.
SO BY APPROVING THE APPLICATION, YOU ARE APPROVING THE PLANS WHEN THAT BUFFER IS DELINEATED ALREADY.
OKAY? AND THEN IT WOULD BE MEMORIALIZED AT THE DETAILED BEMENT PLAN, WHICH WOULD BE THE FINAL PLAT, AND ALL OF THAT WOULD BE LAID OUT IN THE FINAL PLAT THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE.
AND, AND JUST ONE FOLLOW ON, AND THIS MAY BE IN THAT FINAL TWO, AGAIN, NEW HERE.
UM, TRAFFIC MECHANISMS SUCH AS STOPLIGHT, WOULD THEY BE ALSO DISCUSSED PLANNED POTENTIALLY AT THAT TIME? UM, SO WE, OUR ENGINEER AND I, WE WOULD DISCUSS THAT, UM, WE WOULD LOOK AT THE, THE LEXINGTON PLACE AND HOW MUCH TRAFFIC THIS WOULD GENERATE.
YOU KNOW, TRUTHFULLY, THIS IS RELATIVELY SMALL AND THIS WOULD NOT, UM, THERE WOULD NOT BE A JUSTIFICATION FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THIS, UH, INTERSECTION.
UM, THERE CERTAINLY WOULD STOP SIGNS, UM, AS YOU EXIT.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, OUTSIDE OF THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, FISHBURG DOES NOT CARRY THE LEVEL TRAFFIC THAT WOULD, UH, WARRANT THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE.
IT DOESN'T SAY IT IN THE FUTURE.
AND THE RIGHT OF WAY IS THERE TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT DOES NOT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE QUEST BY THE AB ROCKFORD HOMES FOR APPROVAL OF REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN? THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 44 60 FISHBURG ROAD CASE BDP 25 16 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JULY 8TH, 2025 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD.
ATTACHED THE TWO MOVED BY MS. VARGO.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE MR. SHOPPER? YES.
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FORWARD TO ZERO.WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, SO WE WILL MOVE THIS FORWARD TO, UM, THE CITY, UH, COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BASED ON DATE, PROBABLY BE, UH, AT A SEPTEMBER MEETING.
UM, AND SO THE RESIDENCE WOULD BE NOTICED, UM, FOR THAT MEETING, UH, JUST LIKE THEY WERE FOR THIS MEETING AS WELL.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I MORE COMMENT? ABSOLUTELY.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF THIS PRODUCT AND TO THE RESIDENTS BEHIND ME, UM, I, I'D OFFER THEM, I HAVE BUSINESS CARDS WITH ME.
THEY CAN STOP BY, PICK ONE UP FROM ME.
I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE ANY OF THEM REACH OUT TO ME AND SHARE ANY INFORMATION WE HAVE AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT BREW TEAM OHIO IS REQUEST APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOP PAINT PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SEVEN BREW DRIVE THROUGH COFFEE.
KIOSK PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 76 0 5.
UM, FLIP TO, OKAY, SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
UM, AND ACTUALLY THIS APPLICATION IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT WAS SO DETAILED WHEN THEY SUBMITTED IT.
UH, SO THIS IS SEVEN BREW, UM, COFFEE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UH, IS LOCATED ON OLD TROY PIKE, JUST NORTH OF, UH, THE FIFTH THIRD BANK, UH, JUST NORTH OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 10TH.
UH, IT IS COMPRISED OF A 510 SQUARE FOOT PRE, UH, FABRICATED BUILDING, AS WELL AS A 277 SQUARE FOOT, UH, WALK-IN COOLER.
UH, AS YOU RECALL, UH, IT'S DRIVE THROUGH ONLY, THERE'S NO INDOOR OR OUTDOOR SEATING THAT'S BEING, UH, PROPOSED.
THERE'S A WALKUP WINDOW, UM, FOR, FOR FOLKS WHOSE VEHICLES ARE TOO BIG TO FIT IN THE, UH, THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH.
BUT OTHERWISE, UH, IT IS A DRIVE THROUGH ONLY.
THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM OLD TROY PIKE.
AND THEN THESE ARE THE SIDE ELEVATIONS.
SO THE TOP, UH, IMAGE IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ON OLD TROY PIKE HEADING NORTH.
UH, AND THEN THE BOTTOM IMAGE IS WHAT YOU'D SEE, UH, FROM OLD TROY PIKE AS YOU HEAD SOUTH.
UM, SO AGAIN, UH, IT'S WELL LANDSCAPED.
UM, IT IS I THINK A VAST IMPROVEMENT FROM THE, UH, EMPTY LOT IN THE, UH, ITINERANT TRUCK PARKING THAT, UH, IS THERE OCCASIONAL.
UM, BUT THE, UH, THE, UH, THE CUSTOMER WOULD ENTER IN FROM EITHER THE PRIVATE DRIVE, UH, IN THE REAR OR OFF OF OLD TROY PIKE CIRCLE AROUND, UH, THERE'S A QUEUING LANE THAT, THAT STACKS ABOUT 14 VEHICLES.
UM, THEY HAVE A QUICK TURNOVER.
UH, AND IF YOU RECALL DURING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, THE AVERAGE, I BELIEVE THE AVERAGE TIME FOR EACH, UM, ORDER WAS, YOU KNOW, 9,220 SECONDS.
IT WAS, IT WAS A FAST, UH, TURN.
UM, THIS GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATES THE STACKING.
UH, THERE ARE, THERE'S ROOM FOR 14.
UM, SO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, NO CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPROVAL.
THE SITE PLAN, UH, MET ALL OF THE ZONE CODE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING, UH, AND SIGNAGE.
UH, THIS DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS EXACTLY THE SAME THAT AS WAS SUBMITTED THROUGH THE BANK DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO IT IS THE OPINION THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 11 71 0 6 CAN BE MET AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS SUBMITTED.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. TARGET? I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION, AARON.
AND THAT IS, WILL YOU EXPLAIN TO ME THE, UM, 25 FOOT SETBACK VERSUS THREE FOOT THAT BACK? YES.
UM, SO CAN YOU SHOW ME WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? 'CAUSE I JUST COULDN'T FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, SO THAT DEALS WITH THE PARKING SETBACK.
UM, OH, IT'S NOT AGAINST THE ROAD.
UH, SO WHAT, WHAT IT'S HARD SETBACK FOR HERE.
SO THE PLANNING COMMERCIAL REQUIRE, UH, DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES A 25 FOOT SETBACK OFF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IF WE DID THAT, ALL OF THESE PARKING SPOTS WILL CURRENTLY EXIST WOULD BE ELIMINATED.
UH, SO WHAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW IS EFFECTIVELY A THREE FOOT FARM SETBACK OFF OF THE RIDING LEG.
AND THE REASON IT'S NOT ONLY THREE FOOT IS BECAUSE WE WIDENED, UM, WE WIDENED, UH, OLD TROY PIKE.
SO THE, THE SITE USED TO BE, UM, CONFORMING AND THEN WE WIDENED IT.
NOW THE SITE IS NONCONFORMING.
UM, SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN AS IS, RATHER THAN
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LOSING ALL OF THAT PARKING AND BASICALLY TURNING IT INTO A LANDSCAPED AREA.SO THE PARKING WILL BE ALMOST UP AGAINST OLD TROY.
YOU JUST, YOU CAN'T TELL THAT IT'S PARKING BECAUSE THE, THE, THE LOT IS IN DISHA.
AND I THINK WHAT BOTHERED ME A LITTLE BIT IS THAT YOU SAID, WHY DON'T WE JUST LEAVE IT LIKE IT AS, AS IT WAS BEFORE.
BUT WHY DON'T WE JUST FIX IT? IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN FIX IT SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE LATER DOWN THE ROAD? N NO.
UM, NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR, NOT THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
WELL, ONE, YOU WOULD LOSE THOSE, WHAT, EIGHT SPACES, 11 SPACES.
UH, TWO SECOND REASON, THERE'S AN EASEMENT FOR EXCESS OFF OF FIFTH THIRD, UH, FROM FIFTH BANKS THAT HAS TO STAY THERE.
UM, WE WOULD REALLY RENDER THIS SITE USELESS.
UM, IF WE ENFORCED THAT PARKING SETBACK, BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE LEFT REGARDLESS OF THE USE YOU WOULD BE, UNLESS IT WAS A PARKING LOT, UH, REMAINING, YOU WOULD BE LEFT WITH, YOU KNOW, EIGHT PARK SPACES FOR WHATEVER FUTURE USE.
SO THIS IS A PRETTY SMALL USE.
UM, IT, IT IS A PERFECT USE FOR THIS REMNANT OF A LOT.
UH, AND SO THAT'S WHY STEPH RECOMMENDS JUST KIND OF BEING AS IT IS NOW, THE DEVELOPER IS IMPROVING THE LANDSCAPING, THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPING, UH, QUITE SUBSTANTIALLY.
SO IT'LL LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN IT DOES TODAY.
SO THIS IS DEFINITELY A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT WE PROBABLY WILL NOT RUN INTO.
UM, THERE MAY BE WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE STREET, SO THERE'S PROBABLY A BANK THAT'S GONNA BE COMING FORWARD IN A SUBSEQUENT APPLICATION.
ARE WE SETTING A PRESENT IS? NO.
NO, BECAUSE, UM, EVERY, WE TAKE EVERY SITE, UH, AS ITS OWN.
UH, AND SO THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION IN THAT IT IS A VERY SMALL SITE.
UM, THIS IS A USE THAT'S GOOD FOR THAT SMALL SITE.
UM, AND IN MOST CASES WE HAVEN'T, WITH THE EXCEPTION, I WOULD SAY MAYBE OF THIS LITTLE SHORT SHOOT AT ULTRA PIKE, WE STILL HAVE ROOM FOR MOST OF THE PARKING SET.
I WOULD SAY THAT MCDONALD'S AT, AT MERRILY WAY, MAYBE THE ARBY'S THERE, THOSE ARE OUR, THOSE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS BECAUSE WE'VE WIDENED THOSE SO MUCH.
THERE'S ONLY A THREE OR FOUR FOOT, UM, SPACE FOR A, FOR A PARKING SETBACK NOW.
UM, BUT IF THOSE WERE TO COME IN FOR REDEVELOPMENT, WE WOULD IMPROVE THE LANDSCAPING ON THAT PERIMETER, BUT WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD UNLIKELY RECOMMEND THAT WE WOULD PUSH THAT 25 FOOT BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU THEN YOU BASICALLY RENDER THAT SITE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THIS ON THIS ZONING CASE? I COFFEE YOU BRING ANY? THEY DID, BUT WE SAID IT ALONG AS COLD.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
LEMME GET MY ONE MOMENT WE GO IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, BRU TEAM OHIO, FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPED PLAN.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 76 0 5 OLD TROY PIKE, CASE OF DDP 2017, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JULY 9TH, 2025 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MS. VARGO? YES.
MOTION PASSES FORWARD TO ZERO.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD, UH, WILL SUBMIT ZONING AND, UM, BUILDING PERMITS AND, UH, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AND HOPEFULLY, UH, BE, UH, OPEN BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
UH, WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THE MINUTES OF JUNE 10TH, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE APPROVED.
HEARING NO OBJECTIONS, THEY ARE APPROVED.
UH, REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW MR. RELL? YEAH, I DON'T HAVE REALLY ANYTHING, UH, SUBSTANTIAL ON MY RADAR, UH, COMING FORWARD.
UH, KEN FROM DECK HAS INDICATED THERE'LL BE A COUPLE SUBDIVISIONS FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO, UH, COMING FORWARD.
UH, THERE MAY BE, UM, DEPENDING, UH, THERE MAY BE ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX AT, UH, BRANT AND, UH, WELL, 2 0 1 AND NORTH OF CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY.
UM, UH, AT THAT SITE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL GET THEIR APPLICATION IN, UM, IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS FOR THE JULY, OR EXCUSE ME, FOR THE AUGUST MEETING.
UH, WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, UM, INITIAL
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CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, BUT OTHERWISE, UM, NOTHING THINK TOO BIG ON THE HORIZON.I, I DON'T WANT, YEAH, I, OH, HANG ON.
LOST MY, DOING TOO MANY THINGS HERE.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER PROGRESS.
UH, SO IT IS, UH, COMING, ALL COMING ALONG.
UM, UH, YOU'RE WELCOME TO, UH, IF YOU WANNA WALK THROUGH UNDER, WHILE IT'S UNDER INSTRUCTION, LET ME KNOW AND I CAN GIVE YOU A A, UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE SLATED.
I, I BELIEVE WE'RE STILL ON TRACK TO BE, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED BY SEPTEMBER.
UH, I THINK MOVE IN HAS PUSHED US BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER.
UM, BUT IT REALLY, IT'S LITTLE THINGS LIKE DOORS.
SO WE MAY MOVE IN AND JUST NOT HAVE ANY DOORS, UH, ON THE INTERIOR
UM, BUT OTHERWISE, UH, EVERYTHING IS, IS MOVING, MOVING FORWARD.
DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING THESE MASKS.