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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road April 15, 2025 6:00 P.M. ]
I SHALL CALL THE MEETING WITH CITY HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.MR. JOHNSON, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
I, LARRY JOHNSON, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM? AFFIRM, I LARRY JOHNSON, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF OHIO, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF OHIO, THE CHARTER AND ALL ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, THE CHARTER AND ALL ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND I WILL FAITHFULLY, HONESTLY, AND IMPARTIALLY, AND I WILL FAITHFULLY, PARTIALLY, AND HONESTLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
SO HELP ME GOD, DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE TO THE BEST OF MY, SO HELP GOD.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE WELCOME? THANK YOU.
I'D LIKE TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF.
I'M TRANSITIONING OVER FROM THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION.
I'VE BEEN IN HUBER HEIGHTS SINCE 2015.
CURRENTLY WORK ON THE BASE FOR RIVERSIDE RESEARCH.
AND, UH, I JUST LOVE GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND WANTED TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE IMPACTFUL THAN WHAT I WAS DOING.
SO I WANTED TO APPLY FOR THIS POSITION.
OKAY, SO GLAD TO BE BOARD, GLAD TO HAVE, YES.
THIS IS THE TIME, UH, FOR A CITIZENS COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR NO SECRETARY.
I HAVE NO OTHER OPENING REMARKS AS ANYONE ELSE IN THE S THIS IS THEIR APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
IN HEARING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO SWEARING TO WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN THE ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLAN COMMISSION.
ANYONE YOU MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
TO THE FOLLOWING OATH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO ANYTHING? PLEASE BE SEATED.
YOU'RE UP AGAINST GOING UP ON THE PODIUM.
UH, THE SIGN SHEET PROVIDED AND STATE YOUR NAME.
OUR FIRST ITEM OF THE NEW BUSINESS IS A MINOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT K ROSE IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE TO INSTRUCT A 2000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE EDITION AND A 3,200 SQUARE FOOT PRODUCTION AREA.
EDITION PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 45 95 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, CASE MC 25 0 9.
UH, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WELCOME MR. JOHNSON.
AARON RELL WITH THE CITY OF HU RIGHTS.
SO, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A MINOR CHANGE REQUEST FOR TWO, UH, EXPANSIONS.
IT'S ZONED PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
UH, IT IS THE SITE OF KE ROSE, THE TRUCK, UH, EQUIPMENT COMPANY, UH, AND COMMERCIAL HEAD OUTFITTERS.
THE ADJACENT LANDS ARE ALL PLANNED RESIDENTIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, UH, ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, THERE'S A 2000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE EDITION THAT'S PROPOSED AS WELL AS A 3,200 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE PRODUCTION AREA.
THIS IS THE SITE ON CHAMBERSBURG.
UH, THIS IS, THIS FACILITY HAS BEEN HERE QUITE A WHILE.
THESE ARE, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.
UH, THE TWO, UH, ADDITIONS ARE CROSS HATCHED.
UH, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE PRODUCTION, UM, EXPANSION.
AND THE ONE SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE IS THE, IS THE OFFICE EXPANSION.
UH, THE OFFICE EXPANSION IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THERE'S A NEW DISPLAY AREA, UH, THREE NEW OFFICES, A BATHROOM.
UH, IT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
THE EXTERIOR, UH, MATERIALS ARE GOING TO MATCH THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR, OUR ZONING CODE.
THE PRODUCTION AREA, WHICH IS ABOUT 3,200 SQUARE FEET.
IT IS FOUR ADDITIONAL WORK BAYS.
UM, THE EXPANSION IS TO THE, UH, EAST OF THE, ON THE BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
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POINT TO THE, THE, UM, EXPANSION.AGAIN, THE MATERIALS MATCH THE EXISTING, UM, BUILDING.
UH, AS FAR AS THE ANALYSIS OF THE APPLICATION, THE PLANNED USE, UH, DOES CONFORM TO THE ZONING CODE.
UM, THE SITE PLAN MEETS ALL SETBACKS, INCLUDING PARKING AND BUILDING, UH, AS WELL AS YARD REQUIREMENTS.
BOTH ADDITIONS, AS I MENTIONED, WILL MATCH, UH, THE MATERIALS WILL MATCH THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
UH, THE EXPANSION WILL NOT RESULT IN THE NET LOSS OF, OF ANY PARKING SPACES.
UM, COMMENTS FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS REQUIRING AN ADDITIONAL FIGHTER FIRE HYDRANT TO BE INSTALLED KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE, SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CAMPUS.
UM, THE CITY ENGINEER HAD, UH, NO COMMENTS, UH, ON THIS EXPANSION.
SO STAFF SUPPORTS THE MINOR EXPANSION TO CREATE THE ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACE AND ASSEMBLY AREA, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING.
I'M ERIC ROSE, OWNER OF KE ROSE.
SOME OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW ME OVER THE YEARS.
AND THIS IS OUR UPFITTING FACILITY WHERE WE DO PREDOMINANTLY MUNICIPAL PLOW TRUCKS, POLICE EQUIPMENT, VEHICLES, CARS, YOU KNOW, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY.
WE DO PROBABLY 60% PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC COURTS OR PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND THEN OF COURSE THE TRUCKS FOR CONTRACTORS, PLUMBERS, YOU NAME IT.
EVERYBODY THAT'S IN CONSTRUCTION TRADES AND AS WELL AND SO FORTH.
THEY'RE NOT A TRUCK KING COMPANY, SO WE DON'T OWN THE VEHICLES THERE.
THEY'RE CUSTOMERS VEHICLES WE'RE WORKING ON.
UM, WE DO PROBABLY 85% OF THE PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE AGENCIES IN A FIVE COUNTY AREA AROUND HERE.
SO WE SERVE A VERY CRITICAL ROLE OF WHAT WE DO.
UM, ARE THERE ANY, I MEAN, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
WE'VE BEEN MEETING TO EXPAND FOR YEARS, BUT MANPOWER IS ALWAYS THE HOLD UP.
BUILDING A BUILDING ACTUALLY AS HARD AS THIS IS, THIS IS THE EASY PART.
SO, UH, WE HAVEN'T EXPANDED OUR OFFICE SINCE WE STARTED.
THE BUSINESS HAS GROWN OFFICE HASN'T.
SOME OF MY PEOPLE ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT TIRED OF BEING CRAMMED IN YOUR CLOSET.
SO FIGURED, WELL, LET'S ADD SOME MORE OFFICE SPACE AND, UH, SOME MORE PRODUCTION SPACE.
AND WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GATHER SOME QUALIFIED PEOPLE AND NOW WE JUST NEED PLACES TO PUT THEM.
AS LONG AS I CAN FIND PEOPLE, WE'LL KEEP GROWING.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ADVOCATE? MS. FARGO? UH, MR. ROSE, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DOES DO YOU HAVE NOW AND DO YOU PLAN TO ADD ANY? WE'LL BE ADDING APPROXIMATELY FOUR OR FIVE MORE AGAINST THE FOUR BAYS.
THERE'LL BE PRODUCTION, SO I NEED FOUR MORE PEOPLE FOR THAT.
UM, AND IT'S, WE'RE ALREADY SHORT ONE, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT FIVE PEOPLE.
I WOULD ENVISION IF I CAN FIND THE PEOPLE THAT I'M LOOKING FOR, THE CALIBER OF PEOPLE BE A MINIMUM OF FIVE.
AND THEN AS FAR AS HOW MANY PEOPLE WE EMPLOY, I KNOW THE WIFE AND I HAD THAT DISCUSSION THE OTHER DAY.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMEWHAT OF A MOVIE.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TURNOVER, BUT PEOPLE DO RETIRE.
SO WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE PEAKED AT FOUR SIX AND I THINK WE'RE SOMEWHERE AROUND 40 RIGHT NOW DUE TO SOME RETIREMENTS.
WE'VE BEEN AROUND SO LONG AND I'VE GOTTEN SO OLD.
PEOPLE HAVE LEFT BEFORE ME AND NOW I GOTTA FIND REPLACEMENTS.
SO YOU'RE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM, IT SEEMS LIKE ALL BUSINESSES ARE HAVING, IS FINDING EMPLOYEES.
'CAUSE I IT'S NO THAT I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE THE BUSINESSES HERE.
AND, UM, I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION AND THAT IS, UM, THERE IS A CHURCH THERE, UH, NEAR YOU OR ON YOUR PROPERTY OR SOMETHING.
IS THIS EXPANSION GOING TO IT AFFECT THAT CHURCH AT ALL? WE PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
I BELIEVE THE CHURCH IS STILL MEETING IN THERE.
I'VE TOLD THEM THAT THEY COULD, THEIR MEMBERSHIP HAD FALLEN SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE COVID, UH, TO THE POINT OF WHERE THEY ONLY, THEY WENT FROM A HUNDRED PEOPLE SHOWING UP AT CHURCH TO LIKE 10, 12.
AND OF COURSE THEY COULDN'T MAINTAIN THE OVERHEAD OF THAT PROPERTY WITH THAT FEW OF PEOPLE CONTRIBUTING.
PEOPLE THAT DON'T SHOW UP APPARENTLY DON'T CONTRIBUTE MONEYWISE.
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ALWAYS HAD AN OPTION ON THE PROPERTY AND SO THEY EXERCISED IT, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.UM, I DON'T, PERSONALLY, I'M NOT A PART, I DON'T, THAT'S NOT THE CHURCH THAT I ATTEND, SO I CAN'T GET INTO THE NUANCES THERE.
BUT I KNOW THE PASTOR VERY WELL AND THEY'RE GREAT PEOPLE.
WE'VE CONTINUED TO LET THEM MEET THERE ON SUNDAY.
AND AS FAR AS FOR I KNOW WE'RE GONNA LET 'EM STAY THERE FOREVER.
I MEAN, I'M NOT, I DON'T NEED THE PROPERTY FOR THE BUILDING ON SUNDAY.
THE, WE'RE USING IT AS A MEETING SITE FOR US WHEN I GOTTA GET OUR WHOLE GROUP TOGETHER AND IT'LL BE OUR, UH, I WANNA CALL IT A MESS HALL, BREAK ROOM, IF YOU WILL.
I GOT ENOUGH ROOM OVER THERE THAT EVERYBODY CAN SIT ME INSTEAD OF BEING CRANKED AT THEIR WORK STATION.
SO DURING THE WEEK, WE USE IT FOR THAT ON THE WEEKEND, THE CHURCH USE AND IT WORKS OUT WELL.
'CAUSE THE PARKING LOT IS AN EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT THERE WHERE THE, WHERE THAT BUILDING IS.
SO WE'RE NOT THERE ON SUNDAY WITH MY STAFF.
SO THEY GOT PLENTY OF PARKING.
SO YOU, YOU CURRENTLY OWN THAT PROPERTY WHERE THE CHURCH IS? THAT'S CORRECT.
DO YOU PLAN TO RAISE THAT PROPERTY TO TEAR IT DOWN? OH, NO, NO, NO.
WE ACTUALLY, WHEN I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THE BUILDING, I WAS, WE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THAT BUILDING.
IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT, IT'S, I CAN'T MAKE AN OFFICE A SHOWROOM PRODUCTION, BUT AFTER TALKING TO THE STAFF, A BREAK ROOM AND A MEETING ROOM, 'CAUSE I'M HAVE A PLACE WHERE I CAN GET 50 PEOPLE, 60 PEOPLE.
AND IF I WANT TO DO A CUSTOMER APPRECIATION TYPE DEAL THERE, WE CAN, WE CAN MEET THERE.
'CAUSE IT'LL ACTUALLY HOLD A HUNDRED PEOPLE.
IF WE DO OUR OPEN HOUSE LIKE WE USED TO DO, WE WANT TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO HAVE IF A GATHERING OF PEOPLE.
SO THAT USE WOULD STAY THE SAME AS WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS.
IT'S NOT GONNA NEED TO BE CHANGED OR ANYTHING.
WE WE'RE DOING MINOR THINGS IN THERE, PAINTING NEW FLOORING, JUST UPDATING IT.
'CAUSE THE CHURCH HADN'T DONE ANYTHING IN 20 YEARS.
I ASKED THAT QUESTION, UH, BECAUSE I JUST WONDERED IF, IF YOU HAD PLANS FOR FURTHER EXPANSION.
I AM SO IMPRESSED I WITH HOW MUCH YOU HAVE EXPANDED IN THE TIME THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, WELL THIS GENTLEMAN BACK HERE WOULD LOVE TO BUILD ME SOME MORE BUILDINGS, UM, AS TIME GOES ON.
'CAUSE THAT CHURCH PROPERTY HAD, UH, ABOUT FIVE ACRES.
IT'S ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS MY CURRENT PROPERTY AND I COULD SEE US ADDING ON AS WE GO WEST, COMPLETELY LOOP AROUND THAT BUILDING.
SO BASICALLY THE CHURCH WILL BE IN THE CENTER, WE'D SURROUND IT.
I COULD SEE THAT DOWN THE ROAD ADDING ANOTHER FACILITY OVER THERE.
BUT IT USUALLY, BY THE TIME I PAY HIM OFF, IT TAKES ABOUT FOUR YEARS TO RECOVER.
SO YOU PROBABLY WON'T SEE ME FOR FOUR YEARS BY THEN.
WELL, IF YOU COME HERE EVERY FOUR YEARS, THAT MEANS SOME, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
MR. ROSE, YOU PLEASE SIGN IN ON THE SHEET.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? I'M HEARING NONE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? KE ROSE FOR APPROVAL FOR MINOR CHANGE.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 45 95 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER P 70 0 4 0 8 0 0 2 3.
ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S MAP CASE MC 25 DASH ZERO NINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFFS MEMBER MIRANDA DATED APRIL 10TH, 2025 AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO MOTION MOVED BY MS. THOMAS.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
I'M GET THE WALL HERE ONE THESE DAYS.
UH, SECRETARY PLEASE CALL RULE.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, THE, UM, APPLICANT CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, SUBMITTING FOR ZONING AND BUILDING PERMITS.
NEXT ITEM UNDER, UH, ON THE AGENDA IS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT BREW TEAM OHIO IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A SEVEN BREW COFFEE DRIVE-THROUGH PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 76 0 5.
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CASEON, BDP 25 DASH 10 MR. OKAY, SO THE SITE IN QUESTION IS, UH, JUST OVER A HALF ACRE.IT IS, UH, ZONE PLAN COMMERCIAL.
IT IS LOCATED ON, UH, ROY PIKE.
UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT, IT IS THE FORMER, UM, IT'S THE FORMER PARKING LOT FOR WHITE CASTLE.
UM, JUST NEXT TO FIFTH, THIRD BANK ZONE, UH, PLAN COMMERCIAL.
UH, THE ADJACENT LAND IS ENTIRELY PLAIN COMMERCIAL.
UM, THE, UH, APPLICANT IS SEEKING A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, APPROVAL FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH COFFEE KIOSK.
UH, THIS IS THE SITE AS I MENTIONED, IT'S, UH, IT'S VACANT, UH, SITE OF OCCASIONAL OVERNIGHT, UH, SEMI-TRUCK PARKING.
UH, BUT OTHERWISE, IN MY TIME HERE, I'VE NOT SEEN IT BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, THE, THERE WILL BE ACCESS THAT'S MAINTAINED.
UM, FOR FIFTH THIRD BANK, THERE IS A CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT THERE.
SO THE COFFEE KIOSK COMPRISED OF A 510 FOOT OR SQUARE FOOT PREFABRICATED BUILDING AS WELL AS A, UH, JUST UNDER THREE OH SQUARE FOOT WALK AND COOLER.
THERE IS NO INDOOR OR OUTDOOR SEATING.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, ACCESS TO FIFTH THIRD BANK WILL REMAIN, UH, THE SITE.
THE SITE IS ZONED CORRECTLY, IT'S PLAN COMMERCIAL AND HAS ACCESS TO ALL NECESSARY UTILITIES.
SO, UM, CUSTOMERS CAN EITHER ENTER THROUGH THE, THE ENTRANCE HERE AT THE, UH, THE NORTHEAST SIDE, UH, RIGHT OFF THE PRIVATE DRIVE, OR THEY CAN CIRCLE BACK, UH, AND ENTER INTO THE, UM, INTO THE ORDER LANES, WHICH ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
WOULD YOU IDENTIFY THOSE OTHER PARCELS, THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES? FOR INSTANCE, THE BANK? WHERE'S THE BANK ON THAT? SORRY.
YEAH, SO THE BANK IS JUST TO THE SOUTH.
IT'S AT THE CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE AND OLD TROY PIKE.
UH, THERE IS THEN A PRIVATE ENTRANCE, UM, OR A PRIVATE DRIVE.
AND THEN TO THE NORTH IS IHOP.
UH, AND THEN THE PARKING LOT TO THE WEST OR TO THE LEFT.
THAT IS THE RURAL KING PARKING LOT.
I CAN WAIT TO YOUR PRESENTATIONS OVER.
UM, I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE THERE IS A VACANT PROPERTY BETWEEN IHOP AND THE BANK, AND, BUT IT APPEARS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SHOWING US IS, IS ON TAYLORSVILLE.
NO, UH, ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BANK.
WELL, WHERE'S, WHERE IS CHAMBERSBURG? RIGHT? WELL, SO TAYLORSVILLE, I MEAN, I'M SORRY.
THIS IS TAYLORSVILLE UHHUH
AND THIS IS THAT VACANT LOT THAT YOU WERE REFERRING.
I I THOUGHT THE PURPLE WAS WHAT YOU WERE SHOWING US.
IT WAS THAT, UM, EMERGENCY ROOM THAT, YEAH.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S OUR ZONING MAP.
SO IT THAT, THAT'S WHY IT'S PURPLE.
UM, SO, UH, THE SITE PLAN THERE, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS.
THERE'S THE PRODUCTION FACILITY, WHICH IS THE, UH, THE LARGER OF THE TWO BUILDINGS.
THE WALKING COOLER IS THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH.
THEN THERE'S A DUMPSTER ON THE FAR WEST SIDE OF THE SITE.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT FOR SOME TIME ON THIS SITE PLAN.
UH, THERE IS A DROP DOWN LANE, UM, SO THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN GET AROUND SO THEY DON'T GET STUCK, UH, IN THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AND OTHER VEHICLES CAN, CAN GET OUT OF THE WAY, UH, AS WELL.
'CAUSE THERE IS AN OVERHANG THAT, UH, OUR EMERGENCY VEHICLES COULD NOT FIT UNDER.
SO WE HAD WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SITE, UH, IN PARTICULAR TO MAIN ACC TO, UH, TO CONTINUE THAT ACCESS TO FIFTH THIRD.
UM, IT, THE ACTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN MEETS ALL OF THE, THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE INTERIOR AND PERIMETER, UM, LANDSCAPING.
I'LL GET INTO SOME DETAILS ON PARKING IN A MINUTE.
THIS IS THE, UH, THIS WOULD BE THE, UH, WEST ELEVATION OR LOOKING WEST.
THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM OLD TROY PIKE.
UH, THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.
THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AS YOU ENTER THE FACILITY TO ORDER THE ORDERING.
UH, LANES ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
UH, AND THEN HERE IS THE, THE SIDE ELEVATIONS VERY SIMILAR, UH, FULL WRAP BRICK, UH, BOTH THE BUILDING, UH, AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
UH, THE SIGNAGE MEETS ALL OF OUR, OUR REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
SO, AS FAR AS THE ANALYSIS FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, THE RETAIL USES ARE
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THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, IS PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED IN THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL, UH, DISTRICT.UH, THE PARKING SETBACK IS APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET.
UH, THE CODE REQUIRES 25 FEET.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS AN EXISTING PARKING LOT WITH AN EXISTING PARKING SETBACK.
UM, STAFF SUPPORTS THE REUSE OF THAT PARKING AREA AS IS.
UM, WHAT I HAVE CIRCLED IN YELLOW IS THAT PARKING AREA.
UM, IF WE WERE TO ENFORCE THE PARKING SETBACK, THOSE EIGHT SPACES WOULD BE ELIMINATED.
UH, AND THIS WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR REALLY ANY DEVELOPMENT GOING ON THIS SITE.
REGARDLESS, THERE JUST WOULD NEVER BE ENOUGH PARKING.
UM, SO THIS IS AN EXISTING, UM, SITUATION.
UH, IT'S NONCONFORMING TO OUR CODE, BUT, UH, STAFF DOES SUPPORT THE REUSE, UH, SOMEWHAT OF A VARIANCE FROM THE, THE PARKING SETBACK.
AS FAR AS THE BUILDING SETBACKS, UH, THE PRODUCTION BUILDING 63 FEET.
76 FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, 75 FEET IS REQUIRED.
THIS SETBACK IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE FIFTH THIRD BANK SETBACK.
UH, SO STAFF SUPPORTS THE CURRENT BUILDING SETBACK, UH, THAT, THAT THEY'LL ACTUALLY FLOW WELL AS FAR AS THE WAY IT LOOK.
UM, THE SITE PLAN CONFORMS TO ALL OTHER YARD REQUIREMENTS.
THE SITE PLAN ILLUSTRATES 11 PARKING SPACING SPACES, EXCUSE ME, AND 14 STACKING SPACES.
THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES EIGHT PARKING SPACES AND ONLY FIVE STACKING SPACES.
UH, THE PLAN DOES CONFORM TO THOSE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THEY'RE, UH, IT'S A DUAL ORDER AND SERVE, UH, LINE.
SO THE SITE PLAN HAS ENOUGH ROOM TO BOTH PARK AND THEN STACK THOSE 14 VEHICLES ON SITE.
UM, AS FAR AS BUILDING MATERIALS, AS I MENTIONED, THE ELEVATIONS, UH, ILLUSTRATE FULL WRAP BRICK VENEER, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN MEETS THE CODE, UH, FOR BOTH INTERIOR AND PERIMETER LANDSCAPING.
UH, IT, THE, UH, THE, THE BEDS ON THE PERIMETER ARE ALL MUL MULCH BEDS.
THE INTERIOR BEDS WHERE I THINK THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO GET STEPPED ON ARE, UH, ARE ROCK.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
UM, BUT THE PLANTING, UH, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, UH, PLANTING MATERIALS, UM, PERIMETER PARKING LOT TREES.
THERE'S REALLY NO ROOM FOR STREET TREES, UH, ON OLD TROY PIKE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE, UH, PARKING.
IT'S A, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ENHANCEMENT FROM THE CURRENT, UH, PARKING LOT DESIGN AS, AS IT AS IT SITS TODAY.
AND AS FAR AS LIGHTING, THE LIGHTING PLAN ILLUSTRATES ONE POLE MOUNTED SI OR ONE POLE MOUNTED LIGHT, UH, SOME CANOPY LIGHTS AND, UM, A COUPLE WALL PACKS BASED ON THE PHOTOMETRICS.
THE PLAN DOES CONFORM TO OUR, UH, ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE SIGNAGE, THERE ARE THREE WALL SIGNS.
UH, THERE'S THE CENTER MEDALLION, UH, AS WELL AS THE TWO, UM, WALL SIGNS THAT ARE ON THE, THE NORTH AND SOUTH, UH, WALL.
UH, THE TOTAL SIGNAGE IS 900 AND ROUGHLY 920, EXCUSE ME, ROUGHLY 92 SQUARE FEET.
WITH THE LARGEST SIGN BEING ONLY, UH, 32 SQUARE FEET, OUR CODE ALLOWS UP TO 150 SQUARE FEET WITH THE LARGEST SIGN BEING 75.
AND SO THIS DOES COMPLY WITH OUR ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE MEDALLION ON THE, THE MAIN SIDE, AND THEN THE, THE, UH, SEVEN BREW LOGO ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH FACING WALL.
ALL THE OTHER SIGNS WE WOULD CONSIDER DIRECTIONAL SIGNS AND, AND NOT COUNT AGAINST THE SIGN CODE, UH, UH, ALLOCATION AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE OR, UH, WITH THE STANDARDS FOR APPROVAL.
I'M NOT GONNA READ THROUGH ALL OF THESE UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO, BUT, UM, IT, WE FEEL STAFF DOES FEEL THAT THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
THE SITE IS LOCATED ON AN ARTERIAL STREET, UH, AND PRIMARY ACCESS IS FROM AN EXISTING PRIVATE STREET.
WE WOULD NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL CURB CUTS ON TROY PIKE.
UM, AS FAR AS BEING COMPLETED IN A QUICK TIME, THE BUILDINGS ARE PRE FABRICATED.
SO WE THINK THAT IT'LL TAKE MINIMAL TIME TO ASSEMBLE, UM, AND, AND GET THIS, UH, OPERATION UP AND GOING.
UTILITIES ARE ON SITE OR THEY ARE ADJACENT TO THE SITE AND EASILY ATTAINABLE.
UM, QUESTION, UH, ITEM NUMBER C IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT, UM, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, THE
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ADEQUACY TO CARRY THE TRAFFIC.THAT WOULD BE, UM, THAT WOULD BE, UH, AS A RESULT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO THE SITE, LIKE I SAID, IS ACCESSIBLE FROM ULTRA PIKE.
WHILE THE SITE IS SMALL, THERE IS ADEQUATE QUEUING AREA.
UM, THE CODE ONLY REQUIRES FIVE STACKING SPACES.
THE SITE PLAN, UH, ILLUSTRATES 14.
UM, THE ITE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, THE, THE, THE MANUAL THAT WE GO BY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC COUNTS AND TRAFFIC GENERATION, UH, INDICATES THAT THIS TYPE OF USE IS, UH, REALLY IS A 90% PASS BY RATE FOR THIS USE, WHICH FOR, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT 90% OF THE TRAFFIC GOING TO THIS SITE IS ALREADY ON THE ROAD.
SO IT REALLY ONLY GENERATES, UH, ABOUT 10%, UH, OF THE SITE, WHICH, UM, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO GAS STATIONS HAVE, AGAIN, ANOTHER HIGH PASS BY RATE.
THEY'RE USUALLY AROUND 75 TO 80% PASS BY RATE.
SO VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING TO THIS DESTINATION ARE REALLY, THEY'RE ALREADY TRAVELING BY AND THEY'RE JUST STOPPING HERE.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC, UH, COUNTS AND, AND ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO LIKE THE BEAVER CREEK STORE AND HOW POPULAR THAT STORE IS.
AND THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS THAT, UH, IN A, IN A FEW MINUTES.
BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS, WE, ME AND OUR CITY ENGINEER WHO'VE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT ON THE LEVEL OF, ON THE VOLUME EXPECTED AT THIS SITE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT ROY PIKE, UH, CAN HANDLE THAT WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTIONS.
UM, ITEM D IS WHETHER, UH, THE SITE WILL OR WILL NOT, UM, IMPOSE AN UNDUE BURDEN ON PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES.
UH, STAFF DOES NOT ANTICIPATE ANY UNDUE BURDEN ON PUBLIC SERVICES.
THE AREA HAS ADEQUATE UTILITY AND STREET CAPACITY.
WE JUST WIDENED OLD TROY PIKE.
UH, SO WE WE'RE PRETTY, WE FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UM, ITEM E RELATES TO PROPOSED COVENANTS AND EASEMENTS.
UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT, BUT ANY OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WOULD BE IMPOSED BY THIS COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL WILL BE MEMORIALIZED IN A-P-U-E-D AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT.
UH, ITEM F IS, UH, REALLY DEALS WITH LANDSCAPING, UH, ARRANGEMENT OF THE SITE, THE AESTHETICS IN GENERAL.
UM, STAFF BELIEVES THAT SITE PLAN IS GENERALLY WELL ARRANGED.
INTERNAL CIRCULATION IS EFFICIENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE INTENDED USE.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THE LANDSCAPING, UH, PLAN MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS.
ITEM G RELATES, RELATES TO NATURAL FEATURES.
THERE ARE NO NATURAL FEATURES ON THIS SITE EXCEPT FOR THE OCCASIONAL OVERNIGHT SEMI-TRUCK.
UH, SO WE ARE, WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ITEM.
H UH, DEALS WITH TOPOGRAPHY AND WHETHER THE SITE PLAN IS TAKING, UH, INTO ACCOUNT THE EXISTING LAND CONTOURS.
AGAIN, THIS SITE IS A FLAT PARKING LOT.
UH, AND LASTLY, ITEM, UH, I IS, WELL, ALMOST LASTLY, ITEM I DEALS WITH UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.
ALL THE UTILITIES WILL BE PLACED UNDERGROUND.
UH, ITEM J DEALS WITH, UH, EXCESSIVE SERVICES, UH, COST OF PUBLIC FACILITIES, UH, ANY, ANY COST THAT THE CITY WOULD BEAR FOR THE EXPANSION.
THE ONLY AREA OF CONCERN THAT STAFF ORIGINALLY HAD WAS, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THE NORTHBOUND LANES COULD HANDLE REALLY THE AM UM, PEAK, UH, THE MORNING PEAK FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMUTING TO I 70 TO STOP AND GET COFFEE.
UM, BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED, WE DO NOT THINK THAT THERE ARE, UH, THAT WE, WE BELIEVE THAT THE EXISTING NORTHBOUND TURN LANE, DEDICATED TURN LANE TO TURN WEST INTO THIS PARKING LOT OR THIS SITE IS ADEQUATE.
UH, HOWEVER, THERE IS ROOM FOR US TO ADD ADDITIONAL QUEUING, UH, TO THAT TURN LANE IF, IF IT SHOOT, IF IT PROVES THAT, UM, THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM.
UM, SO THERE IS ADEQUATE, WE BELIEVE THERE'S ADEQUATE DISTANCE BETWEEN TAYLORSVILLE AND THIS SITE TO MASSAGE THE, THE QUEUING, UH, BOTH ON THE NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND.
THERE'S ALSO WAYS TO GET TO THE SITE OFF OF TAYLORSVILLE, UH, AND ALSO THE BURGER KING, UH, ENTRANCE THAT, SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT AS CONCERNED AS WE WERE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY, UM, SAW THIS.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, THE APPLICANTS INFORMED US AND THEN SHOWED AND THE NUMBERS, AND YOU HAVE THEM, I PASS 'EM OUT.
THE BEAVER CREEK SITE, UM, PERFORMS WELL ABOVE, UM, THE REST OF, OR MOST OF THE CORPORATE STORES.
YOU ALSO THINK ABOUT WHERE THE BEAVER CREEK STORE IS LOCATED.
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IT HAS ALMOST NO COMPETITION FOR THIS TYPE OF OF USE.WE HAVE, UH, STARBUCKS THAT IS JUST UP THE ROAD.
SO WE THINK THAT THAT'LL BE DISTRIBUTED, UH, A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
LASTLY, UM, ITEM K IS WHETHER OR NOT THE USE WOULD, UH, OR THE ACTIVITIES WOULD PROVIDE OR WOULD, WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO ANY PERSON.
UH, PROPERTY OF THE GENERAL WELFARE BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC, NOISE, SMOKE FUMES, OR LAYER ODORS.
UM, I MENTIONED ALL PROPOSED USES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
UH, AND, UH, WE DO NOT, WE DO NOT, UM, FORESEE ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOR THIS USE.
FIRE HAD NO ISSUES WITH THE PROPOSAL.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE HAD BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR, UH, A MONTH OR SO, UM, PRIOR TO THEM SUBMITTING, UH, AND THEN THE CITY ENGINEER HAD NO CONCERNS OR COMMENTS AS WELL.
WELL, QUESTIONS FOR ME, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
YOU GO BACK TO HIS SITE PLAN, MS. VARGO? YES.
THIS PAPER THAT WE HAVE HERE? YES.
WHAT SITE WAS THIS, WERE THESE NUMBERS FROM? YES.
WAS THAT, WAS THIS THE BEAVER CREEK? SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE BEAVER CREEK.
UM, AND THEN, OH, SO IT'S FOUR DIFFERENT SITES.
THERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT SITES.
UM, THE, THE FIRST ONE IS IN BEAVER CREEK, WHERE THEY AVERAGE, UH, ABOUT 68 ORDERS PER HOUR.
UH, AND THEN THE OTHER THREE SITES ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WOULD SEE HERE.
UH, AND SO WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING IS THAT BY EACH HOUR GOING THE WRONG WAY, UH, HOW MANY ORDERS PER HOUR? 'CAUSE WE WERE WANTING TO GET A, UH, AN UNDERSTANDING OF PEAK TRAFFIC DURING THE MORNING, UH, DURING THE MORNING AND THE EVENING COMMUTE.
UM, WHAT THIS SHOWS TO ME IS ONE, THE, THE NUMBER OF ORDERS ARE, ARE MANAGEABLE GIVEN THE CAPACITY OF, UH, OLD TROY PIKE IN TAYLORSVILLE.
AND SECONDLY, IF YOU TAKE OUT THE ANOMALY OF THE BEAVER CREEK STORE, UM, THE, THERE REALLY ARE NOT A LOT OF TEMPORAL SPIKES.
SO YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF LARGE INCREASES IN THE MORNING OR THE EVENING.
IT'S KIND OF JUST A, A PRETTY CONSISTENT FLOW OF, UM, OF USERS ALL DAY LONG, WHICH SURPRISED ME FOR A COFFEE SHOP.
MR. SCH, AARON, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE ORDER SHEET THAT YOU HANDED US, UM, I SEE 13 HOURS OF USE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? BECAUSE 791 DIVIDED BY 13, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST ONE ON THE RIGHT IS 61 NOT 44.
AND ALL OF THEM ARE VERY SIMILAR.
7 65 DIVIDED BY 13 IS 59, NOT 42.
SEVEN 80 DIVIDED BY 13 IS 60, NOT 43.
1,223 DIVIDED BY 13 IS 94, NOT 68.
SO THE NUMBERS PER HOUR ARE ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE.
IF IT'S ONLY THESE 13 HOURS, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL HOURS THAT AREN'T SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, I WOULD JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE THAT JUST ISN'T, YEAH.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT CAN BETTER ANSWER THAT.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE 7:00 AM TO NINTH PERIODS AND THE, THE FOUR TO SIX PERIODS FOR THE MORNING AND THE EVENING COMMUTES.
THE BEAVER CREEK STORE IS WAY BIGGER THAN THE OTHER THREE.
JUST THE, THE MATH WASN'T MATH.
AND AS A MATH TEACHER, I WAS LOOKING FOR MATH
SO I, I KNOW THIS IS GONNA SOUND LIKE WE'RE JUST HOUNDING ON THIS OR I'M HOUNDING ON THIS.
UM, SO THE QUEUING IS GONNA BE ON THE BACKSIDE.
SO YOU'RE PULLING IN OFF OF TROY IF THE BACK OF THE, THE LINE STARTS FACING THE WEST SIDE FACING BULL KING.
WHICH IS IF MY, IF MY DIRECTIONS RIGHT, THAT'S KIND OF THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT, RIGHT? YES.
SO HOW, SO IF YOU'RE CUING 14, HOW DEEP INTO THE PARKING LOT REALLY IS THAT GONNA GO INTO RULE KING'S PARKING LOT WITH ALL THE JUMBLE THAT THEY HAVE, UM, AND THE LACK OF THOROUGHFARE THROUGH THEIR PARKING LOT AS MAYBE SOMEBODY WANTS TO CIRCLE AROUND AND GO OUT TO TAYLORSVILLE INSTEAD OF ALWAYS QUEUING OUT ON THE OLD TROY.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
UM, SO GIVEN THESE NUMBERS, UH, AND, AND THE APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT THAT IN GREATER DETAIL, I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF CARS STICKING OUT INTO THAT KIND OF HALF LANE.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET A LOT OF ISSUES HERE.
THERE, THERE WILL BE SOME, BUT I DON'T
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AT THE MOST, IT'LL TAIL KIND OF ACROSS THIS WAY, WHICH IS ADDITIONAL STEPHANIE, MOST PEOPLE GO INTO RURAL KING, BUT MY OBSERVATION COME STRAIGHT DOWN.UM, SO I DON'T THINK, AND PLUS WITH THE, THE BARRIERS THAT THEY HAVE ON THAT PARKING LOT, I DON'T SEE, SEE A LOT OF INTERACTION THERE.
THEY CAN'T COME THE OTHER DIRECTION BECAUSE OF ALL THE BARRIERS.
RULE KING HAS PRETTY MUCH MADE SURE THAT NOBODY CAN GO AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF WOLF KING TO GO BACK OUT TO TAYLORSVILLE.
'CAUSE OF ALL THE, ALL THE, THE BARRIERS, UM, YOU CAN GET FROM TAYLORSVILLE, UH, IN, INTO THIS SITE, YOU GOTTA GO KIND OF THROUGH MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT.
BUT YES, THEY HAVE THAT LARGE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET WOOL KING TO CLEAN UP THEIR MESS? GOT IT.
IT, IT'S BEEN AN ISO FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
AND IT'S BEEN A, A TOPIC OF OUR CONVERSATION HERE FOR A WHILE.
SO AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH? I DID HEAR THE BEGINNING OF REMODEL, I WANT TO SAY MAY IS WHAT ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES TOLD ME.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ENTAILS.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS PARKING LOT LOOK NICE UP TOWARDS TROY, IT HAS, WE NEED CONSISTENCY YEAH.
TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, IF IT DOES END UP LIKE A BEAVER CREEK, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THOSE CARS GONNA STACK AT AND HOW IS THAT GONNA AFFECT THAT? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THAT RUN THROUGH THERE.
WELL, AND WE, WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THEM.
I THINK THERE'S ALSO A NEW OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE, UM, PREMIER DID END UP PURCHASING THAT, THAT SITE.
UM, SO THERE'S AN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO REENGAGE, UM, NEW PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THAT FORGOTTEN CORNER OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THEN I, I DO AHEAD LANDSCAPING.
SO THAT PARKING LOT'S BEEN MY, YOU KNOW, I, I KIND OF ASKED FOR KROGER TO, TO LEVEL THEIR LANDSCAPING.
IT'S ALL LANDSCAPING IN THIS GONNA BE LOW LEVEL, SO THERE'S NO TALL GRASS THAT GROWS UP AND IT'S UNMAINTAINED AND IT BLOCKS ANY, UH, IT GIVES YOU ANY BLIND SPOTS AS YOU SEE CARS COMING FROM EVERY DIRECTION.
UM, THE, THIS I WILL DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I DID NOT SEE THE TALL DECORATIVE GRASSES IN THE LANDSCAPE, UM, SCHEDULE, WHICH IS THE PROBLEM WITH KROGER'S, WHICH HAVE THOSE POMPOUS GRASS AND SOME OF THE OTHER, AND THEY'VE SINCE TAKEN CARE OF.
THEY HAVE YEAH, THEY DID CUT IT DOWN.
UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, IS, YOU KNOW, YES IT FITS IN THAT IT FITS IN THAT PLOT THERE, BUT MY CONCERN IS WHAT IF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TOO SUCCESSFUL? YEAH.
IT TURNS TO THE BEAVER CREEK, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU'VE GOT THE STACKING AND NOW YOU'RE STACKING WAY OUT INTO THE LOT AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ROOM AND IT'S GONNA CAUSE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC ISSUES.
MS. BARGO, I DROVE THROUGH THERE AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM.
SO AT THIS TIME, YOU CAN GET THROUGH, BUT I AGREE THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO TALK TO RURAL KING AND LET THEM KNOW WITH THE NEW BUSINESS COMING IN, THEY NEED TO KEEP IT CLEAN OR MAKE IT CLEAN RATHER THAN, UH, IGNORE IT.
MY QUESTION IS, THIS IS A BASIC PLAN.
WILL THEY BE COMING BACK TO US WITH A DETAILED YES.
SO THEY, THEY REALLY HAVE, IT SEEMS LIKE, WHAT ARE WE LACKING? NOTHING.
UM, SO I, I VACILLATED BACK AND FORTH WHETHER TO DO THIS AS A BASIC AND DETAILED COMBINATION.
UM, MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T LIKE TO SEE THE COMBO PLANS.
AND SO, UM, I'VE DECIDED TO TAKE IT FORWARD AS JUST THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND I THINK WHEN THEY COME IN FOR THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, IT WOULD BE A QUICK MEETING BECAUSE I DON'T THINK MUCH WILL CHANGE.
YOU DON'T, IT, IT MIGHT CHANGE A LITTLE AT COUNCIL MEETING.
AND PLUS NOTHING HAS BEEN HERE SINCE THE WHITE CASTLE PARKING LOT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DID IT THIS WAY.
ANY OTHER QUE? OH, READY? YES, SIR.
MORE OF A CLARIFICATION THAT QUESTION.
CAN YOU FORWARD TO THE TURN LANE SLIDE THAT YOU HAD? YES, PLEASE.
SO I KNOW I DON'T FREQUENT THIS PORTION OF OAK TROY PIKE IN THE MORNING, BUT I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT MY COFFEE IS.
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SO YOU DID SAY THERE WOULD BE A, AROUND A 10% DIFFERENTIAL AND POSSIBLE TRAFFIC IMPACTION MM-HMMWHICH BASED ON THEIR, THEIR ORDER NUMBERS, LET'S, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL SIX CARS AN HOUR.
SO IT'S, IT'S WHEN IT, IT'S, IT'S SMALLER THAN WHAT I THINK YOU MIGHT IMAGINE.
SO STAFF DOESN'T DEEM THAT AS A POTENTIAL FUTURE OR CURRENT? NO.
UM, AND, AND WHEN I SAID THAT THERE WAS OPPORTUNITIES, SO THIS IS THE EXISTING STACKING LANE, WHICH STACKS ABOUT SIX VEHICLES.
THERE IS A, WE CAN STRI THIS PORTION TO BRING THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT, TO ADD A FEW CARS.
WE WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THE QUEUING, UH, THAT IS TURNING, UH, EASTBOUND ON THE TAYLORSVILLE.
BUT MY OBSERVATION IS, THIS IS THE WAY I USUALLY COME IS THERE'S PLENTY OF VOLUME EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ILLEGALLY TURNING INTO, UM, SHEETS.
WHERE IS THE PARCEL? IS IT ON THE ILLEGAL THAT'S SUPPOSED TO TURN INTO THIS SECTION? IS THERE SIGNS POSTED UP THERE THAT TELL US THERE? TURN THERE.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UM, A PORT CHOP THAT'S SUPPOSED TO KEEP PEOPLE, BUT THIS IS THE SITE RIGHT HERE.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT LIKE WHEN YOU'RE TRAVELING SOUTH AND TRYING TO GET INTO THAT LEFT TURN LANE TO COME ONTO TAYLORSVILLE, THAT DOES GET PRETTY DEEP FOR THAT LEFT HAND TURN.
NOW I THINK THE RED, THE YELLOW FLASHING LIGHT DOES TEND TO HELP AT CERTAIN PERIODS OF DAY.
AND WE'VE IMPROVED THE TIMING.
WE HAVE DYNAMIC TI UM, TIMING ON, ON MOST OF OLD TROY PIKE, THAT AREA NOW, SO THAT WE CAN BE MORE, UM, RESPONSIVE TO CHANGES IN COMMUTING PATTERNS THAN WE, THAN, FOR EXAMPLE, BRAND PIKE.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT TECHNOLOGY ON BRAND, BUT WE DID DEPLOY IT HERE SO WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RECEPTIVE AND, AND ARE ARE RESPONSIVE TO ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT, THAT ARISE BOTH FROM THIS SITE OR REALLY ANYBODY ELSE'S.
I THINK MERRILY HAS DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED.
WE STILL MAYBE NEED TO TRAIN PEOPLE THAT THERE ARE TWO NORTHBOUND LANES, UH, ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BRIDGE INSTEAD OF JUST ONE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ONE MORE QUESTION, MR.
OR, UM, ONE MORE QUESTION WITH THE PASS THROUGH TO FIFTH THIRD BANK, YES.
HOW MUCH OF A PROBLEM IS THAT GONNA BE WITH THE BUILDING AS FAR AS SOMEBODY IN THEIR DRIVE THROUGH MAKING THAT LEFT HAND TURN IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND SEEING THAT CROSS TRAFFIC COMING AT THEM? THERE, THERE IS A PRETTY DECENT LINE OF SIGHT.
SO, UM, THIS, THIS IS ALL PAINT.
SO, UH, YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF CLEAR SIGHT LINES BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY CAME INTO THE TRAVEL LANE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
OKAY, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE EVERYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING.
I'M WITH, UH, SEVEN BREW DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS.
THANK YOU AARON FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
HE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE.
UM, I'LL START WITH JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHAT SEVEN BREW IS AND HOW WE STARTED, UH, STARTED BACK IN 2017 IN ARKANSAS.
UM, SINCE THEN WE'VE GROWN TO ABOUT, I THINK 350 OR SO, UH, LOCATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UM, OUR GROUP IS THE LARGEST FRANCHISEE IN THE SEVEN BREW SYSTEM.
WE'VE GOT, I THINK ABOUT 90 STORES OPEN RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN 72 THIS YEAR, TRYING TO OPEN 90 NEXT YEAR.
SO, UM, I WILL SAY OVER THE YEARS WE'VE BECOME EXPERTS AT BUFFY, BUT WE'VE ALSO BECOME EXPERTS AT PLANNING AND WE'VE BECOME EXPERTS AT TRAFFIC.
UH, WE SEE A LOT OF THINGS, UM, ACROSS THE 12 OR 13 STATES THAT OUR GROUP OPERATES IN.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PREFABRICATED BUILDING, SO IT'S BUILT IN SPRINGFIELD, MISSOURI.
IT'S KIND OF COOL TO ACTUALLY SEE 'EM SET.
IT, IT TAKES LONGER TO SET THE CRANE UP AND TAKE IT DOWN THAN IT DOES TO SET THE BUILDING.
IT COMES ON TWO SEMIS, BASICALLY IN THREE PIECES.
UM, CONSTRUCTION TIME FROM WHEN WE BREAK GROUND TO WHEN WE GET THE CO IS ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS.
AND THEN WE SPEND THREE TO FOUR WEEKS TRAINING AND THEN WE'RE OPEN.
SO WE ARE A VERY, VERY QUICK TURNAROUND OPERATION.
UM, THE CONCEPT IS, I'LL SAY IT'S LIKE THE NEW CHICK-FIL-A CONCEPT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A SPEAKER BOX, LIKE A TRADITIONAL
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DRIVE THROUGH.UH, YOU, YOU TURN IT INTO THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE AND THEN SOMEONE WILL COME OUT WITH AN IPAD, GREET IT A CAR.
SO WE, UM, KIND OF CULTIVATE YOU WITH KINDNESS AS ONE OF OUR MOTTOES.
WE LIKE THAT PERSONAL INTERACTION, GET YOUR ORDER, UM, AND THEN YOU PULL FORWARD IN THE LINE AND THEN A SECOND PERSON WILL ACTUALLY BRING IT OUT TO YOU.
SO IF YOU SAW THE ELEVATIONS, THERE'S NOT THE TRADITIONAL WINDOW WHERE YOU GET HANDED IT TO YOU.
THERE'S SLIDING GLASS DOORS, UH, ONE FOR EACH DRIVE THROUGH LANE.
UM, SPEED AND KINDNESS ARE, ARE TWO MOTTO.
WE LIKE TO GET PEOPLE FROM WHEN THEY ORDER TO, WHEN THEIR DRINK IS READY, ABOUT THREE TO FOUR MINUTES.
UM, OUR BIGGEST DIFFERENTIATOR WITH OUR COMPETITORS IS WE DON'T OFFER FOOD.
SO THAT'S WHAT KEEPS THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE REALLY MOVING QUICKLY.
UM, IT'S DRINKS ONLY COFFEE MOSTLY, BUT WE DO HAVE ENERGY DRINKS, WE HAVE TEAS, WE HAVE SODAS, UM, WE HAVE MILKSHAKES PROBABLY FORGETTING SOMETHING, LEMONADE.
SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL DISCUSS THE BEAVER CREEK STORE FOR A MINUTE.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIG TOPIC HERE.
UM, WE SCRATCH OUR HEADS A LOT ABOUT IT.
UH, LIKE I SAID, WE OPERATE ABOUT 90 STORES RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN I WAS EVEN ON THE PHONE WITH CORPORATE ON THE WAY UP HERE WHO OPERATES THREE 50 STORES.
BEAVER CREEK IS TURNED INTO A TOP 1% STORE IN THE COUNTRY FOR SOUTHERN GROUP.
AND WE REALLY CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY IT IS SO POPULAR UP THERE.
UM, I WILL SAY IT'S POPULAR ENOUGH.
WE ARE NOW, UM, WORKING ON A SECOND LOCATION IN BEAVER CREEK TO TAKE SOME STRESS OFF OF THAT STORE.
SO, UM, WHAT I'VE PROVIDED YOU THOSE, THOSE OTHER THREE LOCATIONS.
SO IT'S BEAVER CREEK AND THEN THE OTHER THREE ARE HUNTINGTON, WEST VIRGINIA, LAMA, OHIO, AND A STORE IN LOUISIANA THAT I STILL CANNOT HARDLY NOW PRONOUNCE THE NAME OF.
I BELIEVE IT'S CHE, UM, LOUISIANA.
SO THESE NUMBERS TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION, SIR, UM, WE'RE OPEN FROM FIVE 30 TO 10 DURING THE WEEK AND THEN FIVE 30 TO 11, UM, ON THE WEEKENDS.
SO THIS, THESE WERE ACTUALLY TAKEN FROM A SCREENSHOT FROM A PROGRAM WE HAVE ON OUR PHONE.
SO IT'S NOT, THE NUMBERS AT THE TOP ARE CORRECT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE HOURS, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY CATCHING THE PEAK HOURS HERE.
AND, AND YOU CAN SEE BEAVER CREEK'S ABOUT 60% MORE VOLUME THAN WE'RE SEEING IN THESE OTHER STORES.
THESE ARE THE THREE ARE MORE TRADITIONAL WHAT WE SEE WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THAT 40 PLUS ORDERS PER HOUR.
IT IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT DURING THE DAY.
WE DO USUALLY SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A PEAK IN THE MORNING AM BUT WE DO STAY FAIRLY CONSISTENT, UM, ALL DAY LONG.
ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER? YES, MA'AM.
SO I THINK LAST YEAR YOU OPENED ONE IN SPRINGFIELD.
UM, CAN I ASK WHY IT'S NOT ON HERE? UM, THERE'S NO RHYME OR REASON WHY.
IT'S CLEAR LIKE 30 MINUTES FROM HERE.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S OFF THE HIGHWAY OR ANYTHING.
IT'S, IT'S ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON A, A LITTLE ROAD, NOT A LITTLE ROAD, BUT IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN.
UM, I MEAN, I SEE, I ALWAYS SEE CARS THERE.
THE NU THE NUMBERS ARE THE SAME.
SO THE PRODUCTION'S THE SAME AS LION? THE SAME AS LION? YES MA'AM.
AND IT'S BEEN OPEN, WHAT, EIGHT? JUST ABOUT A YEAR OF JULY? YEAH, JULY.
MATT BOOKS IS OUR DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR OHIO.
SO I DO ENTITLEMENTS AND PERMITTING.
SO I DO A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS.
HE ACTUALLY RUNS THE STANDS IN OHIO, SO, UM, HE CAN ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
SO, SO WHAT'S SO SPECIAL ABOUT YOUR COFFEE VERSUS STARBUCKS OR MCDONALD'S OR DUNKING? OR WHY WOULD I, WHY SHOULD I COME TO YOUR COFFEE SHOP?
IT'S NOT THE COFFEE, IT'S THE PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S A GOOD ANSWER.
ARE YOU BRINGING THEM WITH YOU?
BUNCH OF THEM WE'RE, WE'RE PROMOTING, WE'RE BRINGING 'EM.
UM, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO COME UP, STEP UP TO THE PODIUM AND HOW SHANE, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR SEVEN BRU OHIO.
BUT, UH, YEAH, IT IS, YOU CAN GET GREAT COFFEE ANYWHERE.
YOU GET PRETTY GOOD COFFEE ANYWHERE.
UM, WE'RE ABLE TO CONCENTRATE ON JUST THE COFFEE SO WE'RE NOT A MICROWAVE AND EGG SANDWICHES ARE THROWING DONUTS IN A BOX.
WE'RE JUST CONCENTRATING ON THAT COFFEE.
UM, WE LIKE TO SAY THAT OUR SERVICE STYLE IS KIND OF A BLEND BETWEEN STARBUCKS AND CHICK-FIL-A.
IF THEY GOT TOGETHER AND HAD SOME CRAZY CRACKED COFFEE BABY, THAT'S KIND OF OUR STYLE.
SO, UH, WE'RE NOT PRETENTIOUS.
WE JUST GO OUT THERE AND HAVE A LOT OF FUN.
UM, THE KIDS ARE OUT THERE WITH IPADS THAT GREET YOU RIGHT AWAY.
THEY GET TO KNOW YOU PERSONALLY.
SO WE JUST GET TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS MORE THAN THE COFFEE IS THE RELATIONSHIPS FOR
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SURE.UM, A COMMENT AND A VERY EASY QUESTION.
UM, MY COMMENT IS PROBABLY SOMETHING YOU ALREADY KNOW, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT BEAVER CREEK IS SO BUSY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE BASE AND MADE YOUR EMPLOYER FOR THREE COUNTIES ALL AROUND IT.
UM, ARE YOUR FACILITIES ALL, ALL OF THEM DRIVE THROUGH? YEAH, JUST DRIVE THROUGH ACROSS THE BOARD? YEP.
WELL, I'M SORRY, WE JUST, WE JUST OPENED ONE AT WALMART.
WE JUST OPENED, BUT ONE IN A WALMART IN ARKANSAS, SO WE'VE GOT OUR FIRST, THAT IS NOT A DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, WE HAVE A WALK UP WINDOW SO YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY'S WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK OR WANTS TO GRAB A DRINK, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PREDOMINANTLY DRIVE THROUGH.
YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
YOU SAID YOUR HOURS ARE GONNA BE FIVE 30 TO 10? YES, MA'AM.
WHAT DAYS ARE THE WEEKEND? FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
FRIDAY AND SATURDAY? YES MA'AM.
AND THEN YOU'RE OPEN UNTIL 11.
AND HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WILL YOU HAVE? 50.
THEY WON'T ALL FIT IN THAT LITTLE PLACE.
LOOK THERE IT, WITH THE, WITH THE BUSINESS THAT WE DO, THEY'RE MOVING PRETTY FAST AND, AND A LOT.
SO, UM, WE, WE, WE HAVE A JOB FOR THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF COLLEGE KIDS, HIGH SCHOOL KIDS WANT TO COME IN AND WORK A FEW HOURS AND, AND THEN GO HOME AND GO ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS.
SO WE, WE DO FOUR OR FIVE HOUR SHIFTS AND NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PART-TIME OR FULL-TIME UNLESS THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
AND IF AARON POINTED IT OUT, I MISSED IT, BUT DO YOU HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING? YES, MA'AM.
ERIC, CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE THAT MIGHT BE? OH, GO AHEAD.
OH, SO WE'LL HAVE THESE SPACES HERE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING AND THEN WE'VE GOT FOUR YEARS AGO.
HIGHEST VOLUME WILL HAVE EIGHT TO 10 EMPLOYEES AT A TIME BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR 50
DOES EIGHT TO 10 AT TIME AT ONE TIME, YOU HAVE ABOUT EIGHT OR 10 EMPLOYEES? YES.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
MR. SHOPPER, DID YOU MENTION A WALKUP WINDOW? YES, SIR.
WHERE IS, WHERE IS THAT? IT IS IN FRONT OF THE COOLER RIGHT THERE.
AND DO YOU ANTICIPATE THEN MORE NEED FOR PARKING WITH A WALKUP WINDOW? IT IS, IT IS VERY RARE THAT THAT GETS USED.
SPRINGFIELD, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF SIDEWALK TRAFFIC, BUT WHERE, WHAT DO YOU THINK, MADDIE? KEEP GOING? A COUPLE A DAY? NOT MUCH AT ALL.
WE MIGHT SEE LIKE A FIRST RESPONDER THAT DOESN'T WANT TO GET IN THE DRIVE THROUGH, UH, IN CASE SOMETHING COMES UP.
SO THEY'LL PARK AND THEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL WALK UP AND WE'LL TAKE A ORDER THERE.
UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AND WE ALSO OFFER 50% DISCOUNT THE FIRST RESPONDER.
SO WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF FIRST RESPONDERS AFTER THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WE SHOULD SPEAK ON THIS SEVENTH CASE AND HEARING? NO ONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT BRU TEAM OHIO FOR APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN? PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 7 6 0 5 ROY PIPE, FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER P 70 0 4 0 0 5 0 0 5 6 ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S MAP CASE B-D-B-D-P 25 DASH 10 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED APRIL 10TH, 2025 AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO MOVE BY MS. THOMAS.
SECOND, SECOND BY MR. SCHAPER.
WE'LL GET, I'LL GET TO THE, UH, SECRETARY, WE PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? EXCUSE ME.
UM, THE NEXT STEP IS, UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL, UH, GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW.
UH, AND UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN BE THE CAMERA IN MY HEAD.
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YOU BECAUSE THEY MOVED SOME MEETINGS IN MAY, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP IS, UH, CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.CAN I ASK A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY.
SO AFTER THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE HAVE TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN.
BUT BOTH HERE AND CITY COUNCIL THEN? YEAH.
JUST TRYING TO PLAN OUT THE SUMMARY.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS.
UH, WE HAVE A SET OF, UH, MINUTES TO APPROVE WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 11TH, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WOULD BE APPROVED.
AND HEARING NO OBJECTIONS, THEY'RE APPROVED REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW, MR. YES.
SO, UM, AT THIS POINT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS FOR THE MAY, MAY, MAY MEETING.
UM, PLEASE STILL HAVE A WEEK OR SO TO GET APPLICATIONS IN.
UM, BUT, UH, NO ONE IS BEATING ON MY DOOR OR SENDING ME ANYTHING YET.
SO, UH, I'M NOT SURE WE WILL HAVE A MAIN MEETING.
UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE, UH, MAL HEIGHTS DEVELOPMENT OFF OF, UH, CHARLES GATE.
UH, AND THEN CREEKSIDE, WHICH IS OFF OF CHARLES GATE, UH, THEY CLOSED ON THEIR FINANCING LAST WEEK, SO THEY SHOULD BE, UH, MOVING FORWARD TO HERE QUICKLY AS WELL.
UM, I DO ANTICIPATE AN APPLICATION FROM PRIDE ONE, UM, ACROSS FROM THE ROWS FOR THEIR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, WE SHOULD GET THAT IN JUNE OR SO.
SO THAT'S WHAT I DO KNOW IS ON THE HORIZON AND THAT'S IT.
AND THE, UH, THE
UH, WHATEVER HAPPENED WITH THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE OAKS DEVELOPMENT? YEAH.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN ASKED A NUMBER OF TIMES TODAY.
UM, I EXPECTED THEM A MONTH AGO.
THERE'S, IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE'S A PIPELINE THATS THE PROPERTY AND THEY HAD TO DO SOME, UH, RECONFIGURATION OF LOTS AROUND THAT.
UM, SO WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THIS REVISION LOOKS LIKE, UM, AND IF IT IS CONSISTENT, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BODY, THEN WE WILL SIGN OFF ON IT AND MOVE FORWARD.
UM, BUT IF IT IS NOT CONSISTENT, THEN IT MAY NEED TO COME BACK HERE FOR A MINOR CHANGE AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AS FAR AS LOT CHANGES.
UM, A ES WAS REQUESTED BY THE DEVELOPER TO, UM, TO PUT SOME SOME LIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, DOWN THERE.
SO WE THINK IT'S MOVING FORWARD.
UM, BUT UH, AGAIN, I EXPECTED THOSE, THOSE REVISED PLANS ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND HAVE YET TO RECEIVE THEM.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE CORNER LOT ON THE OTHER SIDE? UH, WITH THAT FISHBERG AND YES,
SO THAT DEVELOPER REACHED OUT TO ME, I'M GONNA SAY FIVE MONTHS AGO, UM, AND ACTED LIKE THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE THAT CORNER LOT WAS APPROVED BY, BY, UH, CITY COUNCIL FOR A CHURCH THAT THE ONE, NO, IT'S LIKE 30 OR SO.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT REACHED OUT AND THEN HAS GONE SILENT MM-HMM
SO, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT STANDS.
ANY ADDITIONAL UPDATES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY OTHER THAN BLINE AND, UM, NOT REAL.
SO WAWA'S FINALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THE BUILDING IS, UH, THEIR STRUCTURAL STEEL IS UP.
UM, WE'VE MET WITH A COUPLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS WHO ARE, ARE LOOKING AT PROPERTIES AROUND TOWN, BUT NONE HAVE, UH, GOTTEN ANY OPTIONS ON ANYTHING, UM, WAY.
SO IS THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, UH, ANTICIPATE REVERB? THEY HAD TOLD ME THAT THEY WILL BREAK GROUND IN JUNE NOW, SO THAT'S, UH, SUPPOSED THAT WILL BE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, YEAH, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE BIG, THE BIG UPDATES.
YOU MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC LIGHT SYSTEM THAT YOU, YOU AS THE CITY WAS IN CONTROL OF YOUR OWN CONTROL PIKE, BUT NOT ONLY A PIKE.
SO WHEN, WHEN CAN YOU GET UP CONTROL OF THE ONE ON ONE PIKE
UM, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE INSTALLED ON OLD TROY PIKE WHEN WE, UH, UPGRADED, WIDENED AND UPGRADED THAT SYSTEM, UH, IS FAR SUPERIOR THAN WHAT WE HAVE ON RAMP PIKE.
IT'S, IT'S MORE OF AN INTELLIGENT TRAFFIC SYSTEM.
UH, THE CAMERAS, UH, ARE THERE TO TELL,
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YOU KNOW, THE CAMERAS THAT ARE THERE ACTUALLY, UH, INSTEAD OF THE THE TRAFFIC CHANGE LOOP, UM, THEY DETECT WHETHER A VEHICLE IS THERE AND THEN WE ADJUST THE TIMING.UM, ACCORDINGLY, WE ARE IN THE EARLY PROCESS OF, UM, SCOPING OUT, UM, AN UPGRADE TO THE BRAND PIKE, UM, UH, SYSTEM TO MOVE TO WHAT WE INSTALLED IN NORTH TROY BIKE.
SO THAT STUDY WILL BE UNDERWAY, UH, THIS YEAR.
UH, SO YEAH, WE, WE KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE.
UH, THE STACKING CAN, CAN IS A LITTLE UNPREDICTABLE ON AT LEAST MY EXPERIENCE, ESPECIALLY AT BRAND AND TAYLORSVILLE.
SOMETHING DOESN'T SEEM TO FLOW WELL THERE.
UH, SO YEAH, IT'S, AND IT'S PARTLY 'CAUSE OUR SYSTEM IS, IS OLD.
WHERE DOES OC FIT INTO ANY OF THAT? IF THEY DO AT ALL? THEY DO.
UM, SO ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW GOT BETTER AT ON OLD TROY PIKE, UM, IN ADDITION TO US UPGRADING OUR SYSTEM AND ALSO ADDING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEDICATED TURN LANES IS THAT, UM, WE, WE BETTER INTEGRATED OUR SYSTEM WITH ODOT SYSTEM.
SO ODOT SYSTEM CONTROLS THE, THE LIGHTS ON THE BRIDGE FOR BETTER OR WORSE, THAT'S BASICALLY IT.
UM, AT ONE POINT IN TIME, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY DISCONNECTED THEIR SYSTEM FROM OURS.
AND SO YOU HAD ESSENTIALLY THREE TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEMS. YOU HAD NORTH OF THE BRIDGE.
THE BRIDGE AND SOUTH OF THE BRIDGE.
AND THAT'S WHY THINGS DIDN'T FLOW WELL.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THINGS DIDN'T FLOW WELL NORTH OF SOUTH ULTRA PIKE, UM, WE'VE UPGRADED OUR SYSTEM OD DOT'S RECONNECTED TO OUR SYSTEM.
AND SO NOW, UM, BASICALLY FROM SHAWL DOWN TO CHAMBERSBURG, THEY'RE, THEY ARE INTERCONNECTED.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ON RAMP PIKE AS WELL.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO CORRECT? YEAH, I WANTED TO ASK HIM ABOUT, UM, UM, THE LEAD TURN LANE GOING NORTH INTO CARRIAGE TRAILS.
IS, IS THERE TO BE A LIGHT PUT IN THE AREA EVENTUALLY? IS THAT THE PLAN AND WHAT IS THE TIME SCHEDULE ON THAT? YEP, SO THERE WILL BE A, A LIGHT, THERE WILL ALSO BE ANOTHER LANE.
SO WE'LL WIDE, WE'RE GONNA WIDEN THAT PORTION OF RAMP PIKE.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO BE FILING AN ANNEXATION PETITION FOR BASICALLY THAT INTERSECTION, UM, PROBABLY IN MAY.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY DESIGNED IT.
UM, I ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION IN JULY.
WE, YOU'RE TALKING GRANT PIPE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO THAT'S BEEN DESIGNED, IT'S BEEN BID, BEEN AWARDED.
UM, THEY HAVE ORDERED THE, THE NEW TRAFFIC, UH, LIGHT MASS.
UM, SO WHICH IS THE BIGGER LEAD TIME, BUT WE ANTICIPATE, UH, WE'VE TOLD THE CONSTRUC, WE'VE TOLD THE CONTRACTOR TO START IN JULY AND THAT'S WHEN THEY ISSUE IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? GO AJOUR, WELCOME BACK JERRY.