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I CALL[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road February 11, 2025 6:00 P.M. ]
THE MEETING OF THE CITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER SECRETARYOKAY, SO JERRY'S NOT HERE, SO BE GENTLE WITH ME.
ALRIGHT,
UM, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA SAYS COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS, NOT PERTAINING GUIDANCE ON THE AGENDA.
HEARING NONE WILL MOVE ON TO SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
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ANYONE MAY WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE GUIDANCE ON THE AGENDA OF THIS NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND.
I TO THE, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? SO YOU, GOD, I DO.
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UH, ANYONE HAVE WITNESS STEP TO THE PODIUM? WOULD YOU PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN THE SHEET FOR WRITING? WE HAVE NO PENDING BUSINESS.
OUR FIRST ITEM ON A NEW BUSINESS IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, GRAY FOX CAPITAL, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CREEKSIDE WOODS, PHASE ONE COMPRISED OF 78 UNITS ON 15.2 ACRES.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 54 25 CHARLES GATE ROAD CASE DEP 25 0 3.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THE, UH, AS YOU SAID, UM, SO THIS IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE FIRST PHASE, UH, OF CREEKSIDE WOODS.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR PHASE IS 15.2 ACRES ZONED PLAN RESIDENTIAL.
THE SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT LAND.
UM, ULTIMATELY THE, UH, PLAN IS FOR 159 UNIT TOWN HOMES ON 24.6 ACRES.
UH, SO THIS IS THE SITE, UH, NESTLED BETWEEN WILDCAT AND CHARLES GATE.
SO THERE WAS A KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE BETWEEN WHEN PLANNING COMMISSION SAW IT, UH, AND WHEN, UH, IT WAS APPROVED BY THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED BY, UH, COUNCIL.
SO THE UP APPLICANT DID UPDATE THEIR LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING PLAN.
AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THEY INCREASED THE BUFFER YARD, UM, BY UP TO 40 FEET ON THE NORTH, UH, NORTHEAST PARCELS.
UM, AS A, AS A RESULT OF THIS MEETING, AS WELL AS, UM, THE WORK SESSION DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 10TH.
UH, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, OR, UH, THIS APPLICANT SEEKS APPROVAL FOR, UM, THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH IS 78 TOWN HOMES.
SO THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL, UM, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT YOU SAW, UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS APPROVED BY OR RECOMMENDED TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, THESE WERE THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED DURING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS.
AND THIS WAS THE CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, AND WHAT REALLY THE BIG CHANGE IS THAT THIS INCREASED, THIS BUFFER HERE INCREASED BY, UH, TO ABOUT 40 FEET.
THERE WAS ADDITIONAL, UM, CLUSTERING OF, UH, EVERGREEN TREES ON THE NORTH SIDE.
UH, THE BUILDINGS SHIFTED TO THE SOUTH A LITTLE BIT TO ALSO, UM, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL, UM, BUFFERING BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS TO THE, TO THE NORTH.
SO THE FIRST PHASE, UM, THIS IS THE OVERVIEW OF THE FIRST PHASE, UH, LOOKS, UM, ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE REVISED PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL.
UH, SO THERE ARE, EXCUSE ME, 78 UNITS.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE, UH, PEDESTRIAN WALKING PATHS THAT CONNECT, UM, BOTH SIDES.
UM, YOU'VE GOT, UH, THREE DETENTION PONDS FOR, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, AND THEN CLUSTERS OF ROW HOUSES, UH, ALONG, UH, INTERIOR STREETS.
UH, THIS JUST SHOWS THIS IMAGE JUST SHOWS THE UTILITY EASEMENTS, UM,
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BOTH STORM WATER AS WELL AS, UH, SANITARY AND, UM, UH, PUBLIC WATER.ALL OF THE UTILITIES ARE IN PUBLIC, UH, EASEMENTS AS, UH, REQUESTED BY THE CITY ENGINEER.
THIS, UH, IS HARD TO SEE ON THIS, UH, KIND OF THIS IMAGE, BUT THIS IS THE GRADING PLAN, SPECIFICALLY ZOOMED IN ON THE AREA TO THE NORTH WHERE THE RESIDENTS, UM, HAD EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UH, THE DISTANCE.
SO THIS DASH LINE IS REALLY THE, THE LIMIT OF DEVELOPMENT, OR EXCUSE ME, LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE.
SO NOTHING BETWEEN, UH, THIS LINE AND THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS 40 FEET, WILL BE DISTURBED DURING THE, UH, THE GRADING OF THE SITE.
UM, STAFF HAS REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT PUT UP ADDITIONAL, UM, KIND OF SNOW FENCING, UH, TO BASICALLY PROTECT THE EXISTING TREES FROM ANY HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD BE THERE, UM, ON, ON SITE TO, FOR THE GRADING, JUST TO FURTHER, UM, ENSURE THAT THE EXISTING VEGETATION REMAINS, UH, HEALTHY.
THIS IS THE OVERALL, UH, SETBACKS FOR THE FIRST PHASE ON THE WEST SIDE.
UH, THIS IS WILDCAT, APOLOGIES, WILDCAT.
UM, ON THE, ON THE LEFT, UH, THE BUILDING SETBACKS ARE ABOUT 26 FEET.
UH, SO THEY'RE ABOUT 21 AND A HALF OR SO BEHIND THE, UH, BEHIND THE BACK OF THE, OR EXCUSE ME, 22 FEET BEHIND THE, UH, BACK OF THE SIDEWALK.
UH, SO THAT DOES PROVIDE THE ABILITY FOR SOMEBODY TO PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY WITHOUT OVERHANGING, UH, ONTO THE SIDEWALK.
SO THE BUILDING SETBACK IS, IS WHERE WE WANT IT.
THERE'S ABOUT 25 FEET, UH, BETWEEN BUILDINGS, WHICH IS ALSO, UM, UH, MEETS CODE.
THERE ARE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOREFOOT ACCORDING, UH, WHICH, UH, MEETS OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATION.
THE STREETS WILL BE PUBLIC, UH, AND NOT PRIVATE.
WE HAD GONE, THE APPLICANT HAD GONE BACK AND FORTH ON, UM, WHICH WAY THEY WANTED TO GO.
SO THEY HAVE DECIDED THAT THESE WILL BE PUBLIC STREETS AND NOT PRIVATE.
UH, SO WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM ON UTILITY PLACEMENT, UM, STREET DIMENSIONS, ET CETERA.
THIS IMAGE SHOWS, AGAIN, SETBACKS.
SO ON THE, UH, BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, AND, AND THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE, THERE'S ABOUT A, UH, 40 FOOT SETBACK BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE BUILDING.
UH, THERE'S CLOSE TO AN, YOU KNOW, NEARLY, UH, UH, CLOSE TO A HUNDRED FOOT BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND, UH, THIS FIRST BUILDING.
UH, SO AGAIN, THE, THE DEVELOPERS GOT, HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF SHIFTING, UM, MOST OF THE BUILDINGS OR THE IMPACT TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORS, TO, TO THE NORTH, SHIFTING ALL THOSE IMPACTS, UH, TO THE SOUTH.
THEY ALSO RELOCATED FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, A STORM SEWER LINE, UM, WHICH WOULD'VE ORIGINALLY GONE KIND OF NORTH OF THIS, UH, IN THIS AREA, WHICH WOULD'VE DISTURBED THE EXISTING VEGETATION THEY'VE SENSED, SHIFTED THAT STORM SEWER LINE, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE 40 FOOT BUFFER, WHICH, UH, AGAIN, SHOULD NOT CAUSE A DISTURBANCE TO THE, THE EXISTING VEGETATION.
SO THIS IS THE OVERALL LANDSCAPING CONCEPT.
IT'S TOUGH TO SEE ON THE, THE TV, BUT THE LANDSCAPING, UH, PLAN DOES MEET, UH, THE ZONING CODE, UM, AT LEAST THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE ZONING CODE.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, AND THIS IS PROBABLY A DISCUSSION THAT NOT FOR THIS NECESSARILY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT IN THE FUTURE AS WE LOOK AT OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, UM, THE, THEY HAVE THE CORRECT NUMBER OF STREET TREES, UH, IN AREAS WHERE THERE IS A SANITARY SEWER, WHICH IS BEING PLACED BEHIND THE SIDEWALK.
THEY'VE MOVED THE STREET TREES KIND OF AROUND THE BUILDINGS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT THE STREET TREES IN THE SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT.
A DISCUSSION THAT I WANT TO HAVE WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AT A LATER DATE IS TAKING THE SANITARY SEWERS, UH, OUT FROM BEHIND THE SIDEWALKS AND PUTTING THEM IN THE STREETS, UM, SO THAT WE HAVE ROOM FOR, UH, STREET TREES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, THE ENGINEER, CITY ENGINEER DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT, UM, IS TO HAVE THE WATER AND THE SEWER OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC STREET AND BE, BUT STILL WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE APPLICANT IS FOLLOWING, UH, ESSENTIALLY OUR PAST PRACTICES.
SO IN AREAS WHERE THERE, UH, IS NOT A SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT, THERE ARE STREET TREES THAT, UH, THAT, THAT LINE THE BUILDINGS, UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY AROUND 20 FEET ON CENTER INSTEAD OF, UH, 40 FEET.
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THAN IS WHAT IS REQUIRED.YOU CAN SEE, UM, THIS YOU IMAGE ILLUSTRATES THE LANDSCAPING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, UM, A LOT OF, A LOT OF TREES, UH, A LOT OF, UH, EVERGREEN TREES THAT'LL BE PLANTED HERE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING AS WELL AS, UH, MAINTAINING THAT EXISTING VEGETATION TO THE NORTH WHERE THERE IS A SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT.
THE STREET TREES HAVE BASICALLY BEEN MOVED TO THE SIDE.
SO, UH, THE OVERALL, UH, AMOUNT OF TREES THAT WILL BE PLANTED, UH, ON THIS SITE, UH, CONFORM TO THE ZONING CODE.
BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE TRYING TO STAY OUT OF THE, UM, THE EASEMENT AREAS.
JUST, UH, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING PLANT OF THE SOUTH.
THEY WILL BE CONSTRUCTING A CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END OF CHARLES GATE.
UM, THAT CUL-DE-SAC HAS AN ADEQUATE TURNING RADIUS FOR OUR FIRE APPARATUS.
THERE WILL BE, UH, AN EMERGENCY EXIT FROM THE CAMPGROUND, UH, THROUGH THAT CUL-DE-SAC.
SO THAT HAS BEEN, UH, NOTED AND IS DESIGNED.
THEY HAVE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS, UH, ENTRYWAY SIGNS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UM, THEY ARE ABOUT SIX FEET TALL, UM, ONE OFF OF WILDCAT AND ONE OFF OF CHARLES GATE.
THIS ALSO MEETS THE, UM, SECTION 1189 OF, OF OUR ZONING CODE.
SO, AS FAR AS A STAFF ANALYSIS, UM, THERE WERE SIX CONDITIONS, UM, WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, THE FIRST CONDITION WAS THAT THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO, UH, ASSESS THE HEALTH OF THE EXISTING TREES, UH, AND DEVELOP, UM, A PLAN TO PROTECT THOSE KEY TREES DURING CONSTRUCTION, UH, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL.
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS THAT THE, UH, THE EROSION CONTROL PLAN, UM, INDICATES THAT LARGE AREAS OF THE, OF THE STREAM AND THE RAVINE, UM, WILL REMAIN UNDISTURBED AND RAVINE IS SPELLED WRONG.
I APOLOGIZE, UH, WILL REMAIN UNDISTURBED.
UH, ADDITIONALLY THERE, UH, THE AREA ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, AS I I KEEP TALKING, UH, HAS, UM, THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 40 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO, UH, THOSE TREES SHOULD NOT BE IMPACTED 40 FEET, UM, NORTH OF, OF, OR EXCUSE ME, 40 FEET SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, STAFF REQUESTS, AS I MENTIONED, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE TREE FENCING ALONG THAT, UH, NORTHERN 40 FOOT SETBACK TO FURTHER REDUCE, UH, ANY DAMAGE DURING, UH, THE GRADING.
THE SECOND CONDITION WAS THE APPLICANT WOULD WORK WITH STAFF TO, UM, DETERMINE THE FINAL STREET TREE PLACEMENT.
DURING THIS PROCESS, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE STREET TREE PLACEMENT WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE KEEPING THEM OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC EASEMENTS, AND, UM, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
AGAIN, THE, THE, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TREES MEETS, UH, MEETS THE CODE.
THIRD CONDITION WAS THE SIGNS CONFORMED WITH CHAPTER 1189, WHICH THEY DO THE TWO ENTRY SIGNS.
UH, LASTLY, OR EXCUSE ME, NUMBER FOUR WAS A WATER AND SANITARY LINES BE PLACED IN PUBLIC EASEMENTS, WHICH THEY ARE.
AND, UH, NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE FRONTAGE ALONG WILDCAT BE IMPROVED.
SO MOST OF THE FRONTAGE WILL BE, UH, IN PHASE TWO.
UM, BUT THERE IS A SMALL SECTION IN PHASE ONE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, UH, IS SHOWN ON THOSE PLANS.
UH, AND LASTLY THAT THE, UH, REVISED SITE PLAN SHALL SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORM TO THE CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN DATED NOVEMBER 21ST, 2024, INCLUDING SETBACKS, BUFFERING SCREENING AND BUILDING.
UH, THE REVISED PLAN SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMS TO THAT CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPING PLAN, UH, NOTABLY THE BUFFERING AREA TO THE NORTH, UM, AS WELL AS THE, UH, UH, EVERGREEN PLANTINGS, STREET TREES THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UH, AND PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS ARE ALL PROVIDED AS WAS ILLUSTRATED IN THAT, UM, NOVEMBER LANDSCAPING PLAN.
AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, TOWN HOMES ARE PERMITTED USE.
THE NET DENSITY OF THIS PHASE IS 5.2 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS, UH, WITHIN THE ZONING CODE LIMITS.
UH, THE INTERIOR BUILDING SETBACKS ARE ABOUT 26 FEET FROM BACK OF THE CURB, UH, AND ABOUT 22 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK.
UM, THE WILDCAT AND CHARLES GATE BUILDING SETBACKS ARE ROUGHLY 35 FEET.
THEY'RE SETBACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON, ON WILDCAT, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, PLANNED MULTI-USE PATH THAT WE WOULD CONSTRUCT IN THE FUTURE.
THE REASON WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THEM TO CONSTRUCT IT NOW IS WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA INTERSECT INTO A WILDCAT.
SO, UM, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO REQUIRE THAT AT THIS MOMENT.
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KNOW, A FLOATING SIDEWALK.UM, SO THEY ARE GONNA BUILD THE FOREFOOT SIDEWALKS.
UM, IF WE WILL COME IN WHEN WE, AT SOME POINT IN TIME GET TO WILDCAT, WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE, UH, THE RIGHT LOCATION.
MINIMUM SPACING BETWEEN BUILDINGS IS 25 FEET, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, AS FAR AS PARKING AND LOADING.
PHASE ONE HAS TWO SPACES PER UNIT, PLUS A 20 ADDITIONAL SPACES FOR VISITORS.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN MEETS THE INTENT OF THE ZONING CODE.
AND I HAVE TALKED AGAIN ABOUT THE, UH, STREET TREES BEING PLACED OUTSIDE OF THE UTILITY AREAS.
UM, THEY DID PROVIDE, AFTER I SENT OUT THE STAFF REPORT, THEY DID PROVIDE THE, UM, ELEVATIONS.
SO, UH, MANY WILL HAVE BASEMENTS, UH, AS WELL AS, UM, FIRST FLOOR.
UH, THEY'LL HAVE A FIRST FLOOR BEDROOM.
SO THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS, AND I DO WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT.
UM, IN THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT RECOMMENDATION, WAS THAT THE, EXCUSE ME, THAT THE, UM, ELEVATIONS MEET THE BUILDING CODE MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS, WHICH STATES, UH, THAT, UH, ABOUT ROUGHLY 10% OF THE, UH, FACADE SHOULD BE, UM, MASONRY PRODUCT OF SOME SORT.
UM, TALKING TO THE BUILDER YESTERDAY, UH, THE SIX UNIT, UM, THE SIX UNIT BUILDING HAS ABOUT 9% MASONRY.
THE THREE PER, UH, UNIT BUILDING HAS ABOUT 6%, UH, MASONRY.
UM, WHAT'S DIFFERENT COMPARED TO, SO THE BUILDER'S ALSO DOING HEATHER MEIR WOODS, UM, AS WELL.
UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, THEY ARE TI TARGETING MORE OF A, A, A LIFESTYLE BUYER, AN OLDER, UH, BUYER, NOT A FIRST TIME HOME BUYER.
SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HALLWAYS AND DOORS ARE, UH, WIDER.
THERE'S AN OWNER SUITE ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH A WALK-IN SHOWERS, UM, AND THEY HAVE RAISED HEIGHT VANITIES AND TOILETS.
AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE, THE MASONRY COUNT, UM, PERCENTAGE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVING THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AS SUBMITTED.
UH, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THE, THE MASONRY COUNT IS SLIGHTLY LESS, BUT WHEN LOOKING AT THE ELEVATIONS, IT'S A BALANCED LOOK.
UM, THE WATER TABLE COMES UP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE WINDOW SILLS.
UH, INCREASING THE BRICK PERCENTAGE, UM, I THINK WILL LOOK A LITTLE BIT GOOFY 'CAUSE IT WILL COME UP BETWEEN, UM, THE, ALONG THE, THE SIDE OF THE WINDOWS.
UM, AND JUST, IT WON'T HAVE A GOOD CLEAN BREAK.
THESE, THE WAY THERE'S MORE DETAILS, THERE'S MORE WINDOW SPACE, UM, IN THIS DESIGN THAN THERE WAS AT HEATHER MEIR TWO.
UM, SO THIS IS KIND OF THE EXAMPLE OF HEATHER MEIR WOODS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S AS BALANCED AS, UM, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, TODAY.
SO AS FAR AS THE ADDITIONAL, UM, REQUIRE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UM, FIRE HAS REQUESTED NO PARKING SIGNS ON THE INTERIOR STREETS 'CAUSE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT NARROW.
UH, AND ALSO REALLY THE WAY THE, UM, DRIVEWAYS LEND THEMSELVES.
PARKING ISN'T REALLY GONNA BE PRACTICAL THERE ANYWAY, BUT THEY JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, THAT THEY ARE SIGNED, UH, THE APPLICANT IS ALREADY ADDRESSED THERE.
UH, HIS CONCERNS, UH, FROM, FROM THE CITY ENGINEER.
UM, SO STAFF SUPPORTS THE, UH, AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION, WHICH WAS SUBMITTED ON JANUARY 28TH.
UM, IT'S STAFF'S OPINION THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 11 71 0 6 CAN BE MET, UH, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UH, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL PROTECTIVE FENCING ALONG THE NORTHERN 40 FOOT BUFFER AREA TO PROTECT THE EXISTING TREES FROM DAMAGE DURING CONSTRUCTION.
TWO, THAT THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS SHALL BE SIMILAR IN DESIGN AND MASONRY, UH, MASONRY COMPOSITION AS ILLUSTRATED ON THE RENDERING SUBMITTED WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION.
THEY WERE ALSO INCLUDED, UM, IN YOUR, UH, WITH YOUR APPLICATION OR WITH YOUR PACKET, UH, AND THAT THE APPLICANT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY, AS ALWAYS, YOU HAVE THREE UH, OPTIONS.
YOU CAN APPROVE THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH OR WITHOUT THOSE CONDITIONS.
DENY THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR TABLE THE APPLICATION MICROPHONE, OR NOT ON, I JUST PRESSED MINE ON.
OH, USUALLY THAT COMES ON WITH, YEAH, NOW IT IS.
OH, DOES IT? YEAH, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.
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YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE.UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MS. VARGO? UM, DID YOU TE SAY THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THIS ON DECEMBER 10TH? YES.
IS THAT KIND OF BACKWARDS? DOESN'T IT USUALLY COME TO US FIRST THEY APPROVE THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IS THAT UNUSUAL? NO, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN DID COME TO YOU, UM, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WERE HERE, BUT THEY DID RECOMMEND THIS BODY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, AND THEN IT DID GO TO COUNSEL.
AND IN BETWEEN THE, UM, WHEN PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WENT AND WENT TO COUNSEL, THE APPLICANT REVISED THE, THE, UM, SITE PLAN TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY THE NORTHERN NEIGHBORS DURING THIS MEETING.
SO COUNSEL APPROVED THE BASIC, AND THEN IT CAME BACK TO THIS BODY AND NO, IT HA THIS, WE'RE SEEING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
YOU'RE SEEING THE DETAILS ABOUT, AND THE, SO YOU SAW THE BASIC, WHICH WA UH, THIS BODY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
IT WENT TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL APPROVED IT, UH, AND NOW YOU'RE SEEING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PHASE ONE.
UH, UH, WHY, WHY DID IT GO TO COUNCIL FIRST? UH, BECAUSE THE ZONING WAS CORRECT, BUT SINCE IT WAS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, COUNSEL HAS TO APPROVE THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FIRST.
WAS IT A TIMING ISSUE? THEY JUST WANTED TO GET IT OVER WITH AND THEN, UH, NO, THE, THE PROCESS WAS FOLLOWED AS, AS STANDARD PROTOCOL.
I, I JUST DON'T RECALL THIS EVER HAPPENING, AND IT KIND OF CAUGHT ME BY SURPRISE.
UM, YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE SANITARY SEWER BEING MOVED INTO THE STREET.
UH, SO THAT'S JUST FOR A FUTURE DISCUSSION.
OH, UM, THEY, THEY ARE PUT, THEY ARE PROPOSING THEM IN THE YARD, LIKE IS STANDARD AROUND HERE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A FEW PROBLEMS WITH THE SEWER LIDS IN THE STREET.
SO THAT'S WHY OFTEN THAT'S WHY, UH, THEY ARE IN THE GRASS IS BECAUSE, UM, THE, OR IN THE YARD, 'CAUSE THIS, THE TRAFFIC CAN REALLY TAKE A TOLL ON THE NECK OF THE MANHOLE.
UM, AND, AND SO THAT, SO THIS IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN? WE'VE ALWAYS DONE, YEAH.
UM, TH THIS PRO THIS PROPOSAL IS, UM, BEING CONSTRUCTED LIKE EVERY OTHER SUBDIVISION IN TOWN.
UM, WHAT KIND OF EMERGENCY EXIT DO YOU HAVE IN THE CUL-DE-SAC? UH, THERE WILL BE A GATE, UM, ON THE, AT THE PROPERTY LINE FOR THE, UM, UH, AT THE CAMPGROUND.
AND THEN THIS IS REALLY JUST A DRIVEWAY MOUTH FOR FOLKS TO, TO ACTUALLY, SO IT'LL BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, IN THE, THE, YEAH, THERE'S A, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, THE, UM, THE, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY COMES DOWN THROUGH HERE AND ENDS HERE-ISH.
UM, THIS IS THE PROPERTY, WELL, THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT HERE.
UM, THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, THERE WILL BE A GATE HERE.
AND THEN WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING IS JUST THE MOUTH.
HOW DO YOU GET OUT OF THE CUL-DE-SAC? IS THERE, IS THERE A GATE THERE ALSO? NO, NO, THIS WOULD JUST BE A STANDARD STREET.
UM, AND WHERE ARE THE ADDITIONAL 20 SPACES OF PARKING? YEAH, SO THEY ARE KIND OF SCATTERED AROUND.
SO, UM, HERE'S, HERE'S ONE SET RIGHT HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UM, THERE IS A SET HERE, UM, FOR VISITOR PARKING.
AND THEN ON THE EAST, EXCUSE ME, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS, UH, A SET OF PARKING STALLS HERE.
WE ANTICIPATE THOSE WOULD ONLY BE USED FOR FRIENDS AND VISITORS AND PARTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS.
IT'LL BE OFFSITE, SORT OF OFF TO THE SIDE.
UM, THE, THE BUILDING MATERIALS, ELEVATION OF BUILDING MATERIALS OR WHATEVER YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AT THE END, UHHUH
UH, 9% INSTEAD OF 10%? CORRECT.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU, I'M, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.
I THINK THE MORE BRICKS THAT WE HAVE, THE, THE MORE ATTRACTIVE THEY ARE.
AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE I'M NOT A FAN OF VINYL
AND SO THE MORE VINYL YOU CAN COVER UP, OR THE, THE LESS VINYL
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YOU USE, I THINK THE, THE MORE ATTRACTIVE THE HOMES ARE.AND I THINK THE, THE, THE LESS MAINTENANCE THERE WILL BE.
AND MAY PERHAPS, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I MAY BE COMING FROM A, UH, A, A PLACE THAT'S NOT POPULAR, BUT, UH, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF REDUCING THAT TO 9%.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL RECOMMENDED? NO, THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN, UM, MYSELF AND THE BUILDER LOOKING AT THE ELEVATIONS.
SO TALKING ABOUT THE REDUCTION OF THE, THE MASONRY, WHAT'S OUR STANDARD? UM, SO IN A PLANNED, SO FOR A MULTIFAMILY, THIS, WHICH WOULD, THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT 'CAUSE OF THE, THE TOWNHOUSES, EVEN THOUGH THERE, THEY'RE A FOR SALE PRODUCT.
UM, IT, THE, THE CODE SAYS THAT THE, UM, THAT THE BUILDING SHOULD, SHOULD BE, IT'S NOT A, NECESSARILY A, A HARD REQUIREMENT SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 10%, UM, OF THE AGGREGATE BUILDING FACADE.
SO DO YOU FEEL IF WE GO LESS AND APPROVE THIS PLAN AND LESS, THEN THAT SETS A PRECEDENCE FOR ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO NOT MEET THAT 10%? SO I THINK EVERY BUILDING IS DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE BUILDING PENETRATIONS BETWEEN THE WINDOWS AND THE WALLS AND THE GARAGE DOORS.
UM, I THINK THE WAY, 'CAUSE BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF NARROW.
UM, I, I JUST ON THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, I THINK MORE, I THINK THIS IS A, A BALANCED AND NICE LOOK MORE THAN THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A NECESSARILY A PROFESSIONAL WORD, BUT, UH, THE BRICK WILL COME UP SLIGHTLY INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE WINDOW AND IT JUST, IT WILL LOOK OFF, UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, UM, FOR LIKE THE AUTHENTICS, UH, DEVELOPMENT, WE HAD A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF BRICK ALONG THE MAIN ROAD, UH, AND THEN SIGNIFICANTLY LESS IN THE BACK.
SO FROM A COST STANDPOINT, IT KIND OF ALL EVENED OUT.
UM, THOSE WERE ALSO DIFFERENT.
LOOK, THEY COULD, THEY COULD PUT MORE BRICK.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT JUST, IT, IT, IT MADE SENSE.
UM, THE WAY THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLING WAS IN THIS ONE, I JUST THINK, I THINK THOUGH IT JUST WON'T LOOK RIGHT.
SO WITH THAT, SO SAY WE DO LEAVE THE BRICK AT THE, WHAT IT'S AT NOW, INSTEAD OF JUST USING THE VINYL ABOVE IT, IS THERE ANY OTHER PRODUCTS THAT COULD LOOK, GIVE IT A BETTER AESTHETIC THEN VINYL, LIKE MORE MASONRY BOARD, LIKE THE BOARD OF BATTEN LOOK OR, SO THERE, LIKE JAMES HARDY MAKES, YOU KNOW, A HARDY PLANK LOOK.
THEY ALSO MAKE, JAMES HARDY MAKES A, UM, A MASONRY VENEER PRODUCT THAT, UH, IS BEING USED.
UM, SO THIS ISN'T, ISN'T FULL DEPTH STONE.
UM, WHAT WE HAVE REQUIRED IN OUR ZONING CODE NOW IS THERE'S A MINIMUM, UM, UH, THICKNESS IN VINYL, UH, OR IT HAS TO BE, UH, INSULATED VINYL SIDING.
SO TO, IN TODAY'S VINYL, YOU DON'T GET THE, UM, THE SAG AND THE RIPPLE LOOK AND THE RIPPLE LOOK AS YOU DID WITH THE, UH, VERY THIN KIND OF A CHEAPER PRODUCT.
IT'S BETTER THAN, THAN IT WAS.
SO, AND, AND I DON'T, THERE'S NOT, EXCEPT ON THE, MAYBE ON THE SIDE, WELL, ON THE SIDE, THERE'S NOT LONG RUNS OF VINYL THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET A SAG LOOK FROM THE FRONT ON THE SIDE.
THERE'S A LONGER, LONGER RUNS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AS MANY WINDOW PENETRATIONS.
UM, BUT THE BUILDERS HERE, AND YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH.
UM, AND THEN WHAT ABOUT, UH, THE STREET LIGHTING? HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, OR IS THAT GONNA BE, UH, DOWN THE ROAD? SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE, UH, IN ALMOST EVERY SUBDIVISION THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, UM, WHERE BUILDINGS, UM, FRONT THE, THE STREET, WE ALLOW BASICALLY PORCH LIGHTS, UH, AS THE, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE LIGHTING OF THE STREET, WE WILL PUT IN, WE WOULD REHA, THERE WILL BE STREETLIGHTS AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SACS AND, AND ON CHARLES GATE AND, UH, WILDCAT.
BUT IN ALMOST EVERY CASE, WE'VE ALLOWED BASICALLY JUST, UH, WALL MOUNTED, UM, SCONCES TO BE, UH, TO CAST ALONG THE, UM, THE SIDEWALK.
WE DON'T REQUIRE, UM, DON'T REQUIRE STREETLIGHTS, UM, EXCEPT ON KIND OF THE MAIN, MAIN STREETS.
THAT'S WHY I ANY OTHER JANE? YES.
SPEAKING OF STREETLIGHTS, WILL THERE BE ANY ADDED TO CHARLES GATE? YES, WE WILL.
WE WILL BE ADDING, UH, LIGHTS THERE.
I MEAN, IT, I IT PROBABLY NEEDS IT'S DARK BACK
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THERE.SO, UH, I WOULD SAY IN A MINIMUM TWO, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THREE.
WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK.
THOSE WOULD BE SPACED LIKE THEY ARE ANYWHERE ELSE FOR ALL THE, ON ALL THE UTILITY POLES, RIGHT? YEP.
YEAH, RIGHT NOW IT'S BASICALLY A TR FIRE TRAINING ROAD
SO THAT WILL CHANGE WITH GOOD LUCK,
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, I'M GOOD.
WE'RE OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GO AHEAD.
UH, I'LL SIGN UP RIGHT BEFORE I LEAVE JUST SO I CAN GET TO TALKING.
MY NAME'S DREW COOK, I'M THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR GRAY FOX CAPITAL.
UH, I'M, I'M REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU GUYS ARE HAVING US DOWN HERE AND, AND HAPPY TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE AND, AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH AARON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE CAN MEET, UH, ALL OF YOUR REQUIREMENTS OR POTENTIALLY EVEN EXCEED THEM.
AND I THINK WE DEMONSTRATE THAT BY ASSISTING AND BEING VERY COOPERATIVE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO, TO MAKE THIS A GOOD DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY, PLEASE JUST LET US KNOW.
WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CAN MAYBE YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SIGHTING SINCE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A A I MEAN, JUST HAVING A, A LOT OF SIGHTING ON THERE IS, IT'S JUST A LOT.
SO OUR, UH, BUILDER PARTNER, OUR REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE FOR THAT.
IF YOU'D LIKE, I COULD INVITE HIM UP HERE AND HE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN? WELL, YES.
UM, I WAS WONDERING IF, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT AT THE 9%, WOULD IT BE A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A, A HIGHER GRADE SIGHTING? I, I'LL LET STEVE ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
I'M STEVE MCCONAUGHEY WITH RYAN HOLMES.
UM, HANDLE ALL OF THE LAND ACQUISITION DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR DAYTON DIVISION.
UM, SO I CAN SPEAK ON WHATEVER WE WANNA TALK ABOUT ON THE PRODUCTS WITH THE HOUSE.
UM, WE, WHEN THIS HOUSE WAS DESIGNED, WE AGAIN, WE'RE A NATIONAL BUILDER.
WE BUILT ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WAS NOT DESIGNED WITH AN INTENT TO MEET A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF MASONRY ON THE HOUSE.
IT WAS DESIGNED TO HAVE A NATURAL BREAK, UM, BETWEEN THE MATERIALS, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S PENDANTS IN GABLES, THERE'S VERTICAL SIDING, THERE'S BOARD AND BATTEN SIGHTING.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S VARIED SIGHTINGS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
IT WASN'T DESIGNED WITH AN INTENT TO MEET A PERCENTAGE.
UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE STONE LOOK, AS AARON WAS SAYING, AND APPRECIATE THAT AARON, IS IT YOU TRY TO MAKE A NATURAL BREAK AND TO INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE OF STONE ON THESE, I DON'T KNOW A GREAT WAY OF DOING THAT WITH MAKING IT LOOK RIGHT AND CORRECT AND HAVE A BLEND, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT NATURALLY SEPARATE.
UM, THE SIDING WE DO USE IS THE 0.44 MILL THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE CITY.
UM, AND THAT HAS CAME A LONG WAY OVER THE YEARS FROM WHAT VINYL SIDING USED TO BE.
UM, THE SIDING, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SEE WAVES IN SIDING, IT'S AN INSTALLATION ERROR.
IT'S NOT A MATERIAL ERROR, IT'S AN INSTALLATION ERROR.
IT WASN'T INSTALLED CORRECTLY.
UM, SO IF THAT HAPPENS ON ONE OF OUR UNITS, WE'VE GOT, WE, THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX AND SHAME ON US RELY THAT THAT HAPPEN.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, USUALLY THOSE ARE CALLED OUT BY A CUSTOMER AND IT'S, WE COME BACK AND WE CORRECT THAT ISSUE.
IT'S BECOMING LESS COMMON WITH THE THICKER VINYL.
UM, SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS MUCH AS WE USED TO, BUT I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
'CAUSE THE SID GETS NAILED TOO TIGHT.
FINE VINYL IS MADE TO EXPAND WITH THE BUILDING, AND WHEN WOOD TAKES SOME MOISTURE AND IT'S BASED ON THE CONDITIONS OUTSIDE, IT EXPANDS AND CONTRASTS THAT VINYL IS DESIGNED TO MOVE WITH THAT WOOD.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, WE WOULD PREFER TO KEEP THE VINYL BREAKS AND THE, THE STONE BREAKS WHERE THEY ARE ON THE, THE UNITS TODAY.
UM, BUT ANY QUESTIONS? ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? IJI THINK JUST FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE START TO SEE THE RIPPLE OF THAT SIDING AS, AS I DRIVE THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE FAIRLY NEWER, SOME OF THE SIDING, YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE IT, YOU KNOW, RIPPLE THROUGH AND NOT HAVE THAT SMOOTH, UM, ON LIKE A SIDE OF THE HOUSE OR, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S, UH, ALL SIDING.
THERE'S NOTHING, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU SEE THAT BUMP IN THE, AND AGAIN, I WOULD SAY THAT'S, THAT'S INSTALLATION
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ERROR, NOT A MATERIAL ERROR.I MEAN, I CAN'T, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK ON WHO, WHO THE DEVELOPER WAS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT YEAH, AS I, AS YOU DRIVE, YOU LOOK AT THE NEW HOUSES THAT ARE BUILT, YOU SEE, YEAH.
YOU SEE THE SIGHTINGS NOT HOLDING UP, RIGHT.
AND, AND SO MANY OF YOU HOUSES TODAY ARE DESIGNED FOR THE, WE'LL CALL 'EM A COTTAGE LOOK.
UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT A CRAFTSMAN STYLE LOOK, WHICH IS A CULTURE STONE WITH VARIED SIGHTINGS AND, YOU KNOW, SEE A LOT OF PENDANTS AND YOU KNOW, STUFF UP IN THE GABLES.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S TRENDY.
THAT'S WHAT OUR ARCHITECTS HAVE DESIGNED, UM, FOR THIS UNIT.
AND IT IS, AS AARON MENTIONED, WE ARE TARGETING A LIFESTYLE BUYER, MEANING THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER SOMEBODY THAT IS DOWNSIZING, LOOKING FOR A FIRST FLOOR MASTER.
UM, THIS UNIT IS ALMOST 1700 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR WITH A FULL FINISHED BASEMENT OPTION.
YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN ADD ANOTHER 600 SQUARE FEET IN YOUR BASEMENT.
UM, THERE'S COVERED OUTDOOR LIVINGS ON THE BACK OF THESE.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS IN THIS TOWN HOME THAT HASN'T BEEN BUILT IN HUBER HEIGHTS BEFORE.
THAT'S WHY WE THINK IT'S A, A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY AT THE RIGHT LOCATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL FOR US.
CAN YOU SPEAK ON THE PRICE RANGE? UM, OUR ESTIMATES ARE, WE'RE TARGETING, UM, AROUND THE 300,000 RANGE.
DECIDING HAVE, UH, THEY HAVE VARIOUS QUALITIES.
WHENEVER YOU, WHENEVER YOU PURCHASE IT, THERE'S LIKE, QUALITY 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, UH, AND, AND IF YOU, YOU'RE NODDING YOUR HEAD YES, WHAT QUALITY DO YOU USE IN YOUR BUILDING IN THIS, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR, IT'S BASED ON A THICKNESS.
SO THE THICKNESS OF THE VINYL IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE POINT 0.04, I'M ASKING WHAT DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'LL BE USING THAT THICKNESS, THE 0.44 MIL THICKNESS? WOULD THAT BE MID-RANGE? YES.
YEAH, THE LOWEST THAT, AGAIN, I'M NOT A CITING EXPERT, BUT THE LOWEST THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE INDUSTRY IS A 0.040, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND THIS IS THICKER THAN THAT NOW.
UH, I, I, I, I'M JUST, UH, A LITTLE LEERY ABOUT CHANGING THE CODE THAT WE HAVE NOW, UM, BECAUSE I, I DO BELIEVE IT DOES SET A PRECEDENT.
UM, AND I WOULD, I THINK I STILL WOULD PREFER THAT YOU HAVE, UH, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE, IT'S NOT JUST BRICK, YOU KNOW, IT'S BRICK STONE MASONRY OF ALL THOSE CHOICES THAT YOU HAVE.
AND IT CAN GO ANYWHERE ON THE FRONT TO JUST TO MAKE IT LOOK.
WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE WOULD HAVE A SEVEN UNIT BUILDING, WE WOULD BE AT 10%, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE, THE SIDES ARE VINYL AND THE BACK IS VINYL, RIGHT? THEY ARE BASED ON THE FRONT OF IT.
SO IF YOU HAVE MORE UNITS TO IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOWN HOME UNIT YOU WOULD BE AT THE 10.
BUT THE WAY THE GEOMETRY IS OF THE SITE AND HOW IT'S LAID OUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SIX FOURS AND THREES, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WOULD'VE SHOEHORNED SEVEN TO 10 UNITS ACROSS THERE, YOU WOULD BE AT THAT 10% MASONRY.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? HELLO, UH, MY NAME'S DAVE MCCOY.
I AM ONE OF TWO PROPERTIES TO THE IMMEDIATE NORTH.
THE OTHER BEING THE STUDEBAKERS, DAVE AND DORIS, WHO I IMAGINE YOU GUYS KNOW PRETTY WELL.
UM, THEY'RE SNOWBIRDING IN CALIFORNIA, UH, IN, UH, FLORIDA.
SO THEY GAVE ME PERMISSION TO SPEAK IN THEIR PROXY.
UM, I WANTED TO COME IN TONIGHT.
UH, WE'VE EXPRESSED SOME RESERVATIONS AS, UH, THE NORTHERN NEIGHBORS, UH, ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE PROPERTY AND SOME ISSUES POTENTIALLY WITH STUDEBAKER ROAD IN TERMS OF IS IT AN ADEQUATE ROAD IN ORDER TO SERVE THIS, UM, INTERESTING THING WE'VE HAD AS AN EXPERIENCE BECAUSE WE MET WITH JAKE SHIELDS, WHO'S, UH, ALSO A GREAT FOX, UH, EXECUTIVE AND FOUND THEM TO BE VERY RESPONSIVE, EXTREMELY COMMUNICATIVE, VERY INTERESTED IN BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS, UH, TALKING ABOUT SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THEIR INTRUSION INTO OUR SPACE.
SO I'M SURE THIS COUNCIL HAS PERMANENTLY OF FOLKS WHO GO, NOT IN MY BACKYARD, BUT IN THIS CASE, I'D LIKE TO SAY, I REALLY THINK I'M ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS SHOWING UP IN MY BACKYARD BASED ON HOW RESPONSIBLE I'VE FOUND THE DEVELOPERS TO BE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO STEP UP AND COMMENT THAT I ANTICIPATE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR NEW SOUTHERN NEIGHBORS BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES SO FAR.
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BY THE WAY, THE RE REASON FOR THE REVISIONS FROM THE INITIAL PLAN TO THE SECOND PLAN ARE PARTIALLY BASED ON OUR REQUESTS, AND THOSE REVISIONS WERE MADE TO OUR BENEFIT VOLUNTARILY BY THE DEVELOPER.SO THAT WAS, I THINK, SPEAKS WELL OF THEM.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? AND HERE NO ONE ELSE WILL CLOSE IT.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? I AGREE WITH YOU ON, ON THE, THE MASONRY PRODUCT.
I'D LIKE THE STONE AND THE BRICK, BUT I DO BELIEVE IN THIS CASE HERE, UH, IF THEY'RE AT 9%, UM, THAT'S CALLED LEGALLY, IF THEY PUT IN 10%, UH, THEY'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK AS, AS NICE AS IT AS WE IS NOW.
SO I'M GOOD WITH THE WAY IT IS.
IF THEY PUT IN 10%, WHAT? WELL, IT'S, IT IS AT 9% NOW.
SO IF, IF IN OUR CODES IS 10% CORRECT, MR. LL UH, THE CODE SAYS IT SHOULD BE, IT'S NOT A MANDATE.
BUT IF IT'S THE 10% IT GOES UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR, THAT WOULDN'T NO, NO.
TO ADD 10 PER TO ADD ANOTHER PERCENT, IT WOULD NOT GO UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
IT WOULD, UH, 10% WOULD GET YOU MAYBE HALFWAY UP THE, THE FIRST FLOOR WINDOW.
AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE PICTURES YOU SHOWED FOR HEATHER, HEATHER MIRROR, HEATHER MI HEATHER ME, HAS A SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, IT'S MORE THAN THAN 10 10% THAT WAS DONE UNDER, THAT WAS DONE IN 22 BEFORE WE CHANGED THE GAP.
NO, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO YEAH.
MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, GRAY FOX, CAPITAL LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 54 25 CHARLES GATE ROAD, FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER P 70 0 1 9 2 4 0 3 ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S MAP CASE DDP 25 DASH OH THREE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED FEBRUARY THE FIFTH, 2025, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERETO, I'LL MAKE A MOTION MOVE BY MS. THOMAS.
IS THERE A SECOND? MOVE BY, UH, SECOND BY MS. VARGO.
MR. RA, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, THE APPLICANT WILL, UM, SUBMIT FOR ZONING PERMITS AND, UM, THEN THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY.
NEXT ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS AS A REPL, THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REPL TO DEDICATE 1.231 ACRES OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 6,900 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD CASE RP 25 DASH OH FIVE.
UH, SO THIS IS OFF OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UH, BASICALLY BETWEEN, UH, THE ROWS AND, UH, TJ CHUMPS.
UH, THIS HAS BEEN A, UM, DEVELOPMENT PARCEL FOR SOME TIME.
UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, NEGOTIATING WITH, UH, THE DUBLIN PUB ON SELLING THE PROPERTY.
UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS CLEAN UP, UM, SOME OF THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, AREAS RIGHT NOW THE ROADS ARE IN EASEMENTS.
THEY'RE NOT PUBLICLY DEDICATED, UH, ROADS.
SO WE WANTED TO JUST, UH, GET THAT CLEANED UP.
SINCE WE ARE DEDICATING PUBLIC ROADS, UM, I CAN'T APPROVE THIS.
UH, ADMINISTRATIVELY IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE, THE, UH, PLATTING COMMISSION, WHICH YOU, UH, ARE, UH, IN THIS CASE.
UM, SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS ESSENTIALLY BRINGING IN THE LOT LINES, UM, THAT REFLECT THE GRASSY AREA.
UM, SO WE'RE DEDICATING A LITTLE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, UM, BEHIND THE SIDEWALK.
SO BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE SIDEWALK, WE'RE PULLING THE PROPERTY LINE BEHIND THE SIDEWALK.
UH, AND THEN WE'RE PUTTING THE, THE ROADWAYS INTO A, INTO PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC, UH, DEDICATION.
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UM, SO THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION CAN TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS, UM, APPROVE THE RECORD PLAN WITH OR WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS, DENY THE RECORD PLAN OR TABLE.THE APPLICATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE RECORD PLAN WITHOUT CONDITIONS.
UM, IN THE PLAT THERE IS, IT'S JUST CALLED, UH, ROAD A, ROAD B.
WE HAVEN'T COME UP WITH ANY NAMES.
WE WILL NAME THEM BEFORE WE, UM, RECORD IT WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NOPE.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE HEARING? NO ONE WILL CLOSE.
I DO NOT HAVE A, UH, DECISION RECORD.
WA I I COULD PROBABLY JUST ABOUT TO DO THAT.
OH, I'M, THIS MIGHT BE IT RIGHT HERE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS FOR APPROVAL OF A RE PLATT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 6,900 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER P 70 0 1 8 2 0 1 3.
ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITORS MAP CASE RP 25 DASH OH FIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED FEBRUARY 5TH, 2025.
SECOND BY MS. THOMAS? MR. SO WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? YES.
NEXT, UH, ITEM UNDER THE, WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THE MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 14TH, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE APPROVED.
AND HEARING NO OBJECTIONS, THEY ARE APPROVED.
MR. RELL, UH, EXCUSE ME, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UM, I PRIMARILY DON'T HAVE ANY PENDING APPLICATIONS.
UM, I DO ANTICIPATE A PHASE TWO OF CREEKSIDE TOWN HOMES COMING, UH, SHORTLY, BUT, UH, NOBODY HAS APPLIED FOR ANY CASES FOR THE NEXT MEETING YET, BUT I WILL LET YOU KNOW IF THEY DO.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE COMMISSION, MS. CARTER? NO.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU, HOW'S WAWA COMING ALONG?
UM,
I DON'T THINK THEY BELIEVED THAT THAT MUCH.
OH, THAT IS, THAT AMOUNT OF ROCK WAS ACTUALLY, UH, ON THAT SITE.
WHAT THEY HAVE TOLD TO ME IS THAT THEY ARE THE DEVELOP, THE LAND DEVELOPER IS GETTING READY TO TURN OVER THE SITE TO THE WAWA, UM, BUILDING COMPANY, UH, AND THAT THEY WOULD START, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF THE, OF THE STORE PROBABLY AT THE END OF FEBRUARY OR BEGINNING OF MARCH.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? WE ARE ADJOURNED.