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RIGHTY, LET'S GO.[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road December 10, 2024 6:00 P.M. ]
THE MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALL RIGHT, MR. CASSIDY? HERE.
IS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DICE? NOPE.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZENS' COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS' COMMENTS, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
HEARING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO SWEARING OR WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
TO THE FOLLOWING OATHS, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
I ASK ANYONE COME INTO THE, UH, THE PODIUM SITE TONIGHT TO SPEAK, TO SIGN IN ON THE SIGN IN SHEET PROVIDED AND, UH, AND ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME.
OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A REZONING.
THE APPLICANT A AND F INVESTMENT PROPERTIES IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF REZONING TO B THREE COMMERCIAL FOR A HIGH-END USED CAR SALES LOT.
UH, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION, AARON RELL, CITY, HUBER HEIGHTS.
UH, SO AS YOU JUST STATED, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO REZONE ABOUT 0.65 ACRES FROM B TWO TO B THREE.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT AN AUTO SALES LOT, UM, AND THE ASSOCIATED SALES OFFICE.
UM, AS YOU SAW MY STAFF REPORT, UM, THE STAFF REPORT REALLY EVALUATES THE REZONING REQUEST FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF ALL ALLOWABLE USES IN THE B THREE DISTRICT AND NOT JUST AUTO SALES BECAUSE WE CAN'T RESTRICT, UM, THE USE.
IT'S, UH, SINCE IT'S JUST STRAIGHT ZONING, IT'S ALL OF THE PERMITTED USES IN B2B THREE.
B2B ONE WOULD BE PERMITTED, UH, ON THIS SITE, UH, NOT JUST AUTO SALES.
SO THIS IS THE, THE SITE OUTLINED IN ORANGE, UH, NEAR THE CORNER OF POWELL, TROY PIKE.
UH, BEHIND THE DONATOS, UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER TO THE NORTH.
THERE USED TO BE A BUILDING ON THIS SITE THAT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY DEMOLISHED.
YOU CAN SEE THE KIND OF THE GRASS, UH, OUTLINED WHERE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT USED TO BE.
UH, AND THEN TO THE WEST, THERE IS A, UH, A LARGE MULTIFAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS WAS THE, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAD PUT, HAS PUT FORWARD, UH, THE, WHAT'S OUTLINED IN THE YELLOW DASHED, AND THEN THE HATCH IS WHERE THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, CAR LOT WOULD BE.
UH, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED ALSO IS A, UH, PREFAB SALES OFFICE.
WE DID INFORM THE APPLICANT THAT, UM, UNDER THE B THREE ZONING, A, UH, THERE WOULD BE NEED TO BE A FULL MASONRY BUILDING, UM, FULL WRAP MASONRY AND NOT THE, THE CLAD THAT IS, UH, ILLUSTRATED HERE.
UH, SO AS FAR AS THE STAFF ANALYSIS, UM, THE FIRST THING WE LOOK AT IS THE CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO OUR NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS SITE WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE SOUTH TOWN DEVELOPMENT AREA.
UM, AND SORT OF THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THAT, THE, THE SOUTH TOWN ELEMENT, OR EXCUSE ME, THE SOUTH TOWN DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS REALLY FOCUSING ON INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, BOTH OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UH, WITH INFILL AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL.
ALSO IMPROVING THE AESTHETICS OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND STREETS.
SO THE PLAN CALLS FOR FOCUSING ON RENOVATION, INFILL DEVELOPMENT, INCREASING OR INCREMENTAL BROADENING OF USES, INCLU AND HOUSING TYPES, CONTINUING TO PRIORITIZE UTILITY UPGRADES, UH, AND FOCUSING ON CONNECTIVITY THROUGH STREET TREE MAINTENANCE, SIDEWALKS, PLACE MAKING AND TRAFFIC CALMING.
AND THEN REALLY BROADEN THE FOCUS ON, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MARKETING.
UH, THE PLAN ALSO RECOGNIZES THAT MOST COMMERCIAL USES ALONG THIS CORRIDOR, OR SPECIFICALLY SPECIFICALLY IN THIS AREA, ARE SMALLER SHOPS THAT LARGELY OR PREDOMINANTLY SERVE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS, UH, AND ARE LESS SO OF A, UH, A REGIONAL ATTRACTION.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS TO ALSO CONSIDER IS CONFORMANCE WITH THE, WITH THE B THREE, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
UM, FOR THIS PER PROPOSED USE, UM, AUTO SALES IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE AUTO SALES AND SERVICE IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE B THREE DISTRICT.
IT'S NOT A PERMITTED USE IN B ONE OR B TWO.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE B THREE IS OUR MOST INTENSE,
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UM, DISTRICT.UM, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THIS SITE HAS IS GIVEN ITS PROXIMITY TO THE R SIX ZONING TO THE WEST, UH, NEARLY HALF OF THE SITE IS NOW, UM, NOT, NO, BECAUSE OF THE SCREENING AND BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS, UH, ABOUT HALF OF THIS SITE, UH, IS NOT COMPATIBLE FOR AUTO SALES.
SO THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN BUILDINGS AND USE, UH, FROM THE R SIX, UH, LOT LINE.
SO WHAT I'VE DRAWN IS, UH, ON THAT ORANGE IS EFFECTIVELY THE NET AREA THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED FOR AUTO SALES, UH, AT THIS PARCEL.
SO IT'S 50 FOOT SETBACK OFF OF THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE, ALSO OFF THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, A 50 FOOT SETBACK OFF THE, UM, SOUTH PROPERTY LINE.
SO YOU REALLY HAVE ABOUT 0.3 ACRES OF USABLE, UH, AREA.
UH, AND SO STAFF FEELS THAT THE B THREE ZONING IS INCOMPATIBLE, UM, WITH THE ADJACENT R SIX ZONING AND WOULD REQUIRE TOO MANY VARIANCES TO DEVELOP THIS AS A, AS A FUNCTIONAL AUTO SALES AND SERVICE, UM, USE, WE WOULD LIKELY END UP, UH, HAVING SIGNIFICANT ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES, UH, EITHER, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT, BUT YOU KNOW, UBSTANCE OWNERS.
UM, SO AS FAR AS STAFF, UH, AS OPINION, IT'S, UH, OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THE REZONING FROM B TWO TO B THREE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ADDITIONALLY, THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS FROM THE ADJACENT R SIX DISTRICT WOULD RENDER NEARLY HALF OF THE SITE UNUSABLE FOR VEHICLE SALES AND SERVICE.
THEREFORE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE REZONING REQUEST.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF ME, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MS. VARGO? UM, I HAVE A COUPLE.
I NOTICE IN THE, UM, ZONING REGULATIONS, UH, IT'S, UH, 1155 E NO F THAT, UH, A THEATER IS ONE OF THE THINGS AND THERE USED TO BE A THEATER THERE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS EVER, UM, SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE ZONING HAS CHANGED.
MAYBE THE ZONING CODE HAS CHANGED AND THEY MOVED THEATER TO A, A DIFFERENT DISTRICT.
BUT THIS AREA, THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER PLUS THIS PARCEL IS ALL ZONED B TWO.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE DONATOS PIZZA IS, WAS REZONED DOWNWARDS TO B ONE.
UM, SO, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW THE, ALL OF THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, A THEATER WOULD BE ALLOWED IN IN B THREE.
UH, THIS SITE IS, IS TOO SMALL FOR THAT TYPE OF OKAY.
AND, UH, I SEE THAT, THAT, UH, WHAT HE ASKED FOR IS A HIGHEND USED CAR SALES LOT.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE OR GIMME A DEFINITION FOR HIGH END USED CARS? I CAN'T.
OUR, OUR CODE IS VEHICLE SALES OR VEHICLE SALES, WHETHER THEY'RE CORVETTES OR CHEVETTES.
COULD IT HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, MILEAGE OR PRICE OR NOT MAKE OF CAR OR, SO THE APPLICANT CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY ENVISION, BUT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, UM, IT JUST NEEDS TO, TO RUN.
UM, BUT THIS DISTRICT ALSO ALLOWS VEHICLE SERVICE SO THEY COULD BE REPAIRED TO BE SOLD TYPE OF USES.
UM, THE VALUE, THE MILEAGE, THE MAKE IT A CAR IS A CAR, A VEHICLE IS A VEHICLE.
IN FACT, THIS ALSO B THREE ALLOWS, UH, FARM EQUIPMENT SALES AS WELL.
AARON, ARE THERE ANY V THREE ZONES IN SOUTHTOWN AT THE VERY END OF OLD TROY PIKE? THERE ARE, UM, WHERE THERE IS A COUPLE OF THE, UM, AUTO REPAIR SHOPS, THERE IS ONE OR TWO, BUT THIS IS PREDOMINANTLY EITHER UM, OH ONE OR B TWO OR B ONE.
AND THEN FROM A B ONE AND B TWO PERSPECTIVE, I GUESS, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PRIMARY USES FOR THOSE PARTICULAR ZONING AREAS? SO FOR B TWO, UM, YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH ANY RETAIL, UM, RETAIL SALES, UH, OFFICES, UM, RESTAURANTS THAT KIND OF USE.
UM, B THREE IS THE MORE, UH, OUTDOOR FOCUSED INTENSE USES.
SO AUTO LOTS AUTO SALE, OR EXCUSE ME, AUTO SALES, AUTO REPAIR, WHERE YOU HAVE A TYPICALLY A, AN INVENTORY OF STATIC VEHICLES THAT, THAT SIT THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE, ALSO ALLOWS
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VETERINARY AND ANIMAL RUNS, KENNELS, THAT KIND OF THING.UM, AND SO THE PRIMARY CONCERN REALLY IS THAT WITH THE SETBACKS, THIS SITE JUST ISN'T SUFFICIENTLY LARGE ENOUGH FOR THE USE PROPOSED.
YOU, YOU, YOU COULD GET MA WITHOUT, WITHOUT US HAVING TO DO A LOT OF ENFORCEMENT.
OVER, AND I WILL SAY THERE'S A CON, THERE'S A CONCERN THERE TOO, GIVEN, UH, EXCUSE OUR HISTORY WITH, UM, OTHER, UH, CAR LOTS IS, SO IF YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE CARS THAT ARE PARKED UP AT THE, AT THE TOP.
SO YOU MIGHT GET, YOU KNOW, THREE, THREE CLUSTERS OF THOSE AND, AND IT WILL, IT WILL BE, IT WILL LOOK PACKED.
WHAT DOES THAT BLUE LINE REPRESENT? SO THAT'S THE DISTANCE.
SO BETWEEN, UH, WHAT IS USABLE BETWEEN THE, UM, WEST AND EAST SIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR LOT IS ABOUT 70 FEET.
MR. JEFFRIES? YEAH, AARON, IN THE PICTURE WITH THE PREFAB BUILDING, I MEAN, IS THAT JUST KIND OF A SUGGESTION OF WHAT THEY'RE THINKING OR IS THAT, BECAUSE THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE A, ALMOST LIKE A SHED, ISN'T IT? IT IT, YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A NICE SHED.
UM, AND BUT THAT WAS, SO THE APPLICANT HAD ORIGINALLY, UM, SUBMITTED FOR ZONING APPROVAL AND, AND THEN WAS INFORMED THAT A ZONING, A REZONING WAS NECESSARY.
SO WHAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS, UH, IRON FENCE AROUND THE PERIMETER, THIS AND THIS, UH, SALES BUILDING.
AND WE DIDN'T GET MUCH FURTHER ON THE ZONING OR REVIEW SIDE BECAUSE OF THE USES OF PERMITTED IN B TWO.
AND ON THE, ON THE FENCING IS BEING THAT IT'S THE B THREE, IS THAT WHAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, WHERE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN OPAQUE BARRIER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL? UH, NO, IT WOULD NEED TO BE AN, AN OPAQUE, UM, SO THAT BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE, IT WOULD BE BOTH 50 FOOT SETBACK FROM USES PLUS OPAQUE.
SO ARE THEY, IF, IF IT CAME DOWN TO IT AND THEY HAD TO BRING THAT FENCE IN TO THE LINE YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND BUFFER AND SCREEN WITH LANDSCAPING PLANNING AND EVERYTHING, IT WOULD TAKE THERE, IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN THE OPTION OF, OR, AND IT IS, I DON'T THINK IT'LL WORK, BUT WHAT I INFORMED THE, UH, THE ENGINEER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD ROUGHLY, THIS WOULD BE ABOUT WHERE THE FENCE LINE WOULD HAVE TO STOP AND WE WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE ALL THAT PAVEMENT TO BE PULLED UP.
SO THAT DOESN'T CREEP INTO A, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
WORKED ON, ON UNREPAIRED VEHICLES.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS A, AN INTENSE USE FOR A SMALL SITE, WHICH IS WHY STAFF DOESN'T FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION.
THERE ARE A MYRIAD OF OTHER USES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE B TWO DISTRICT.
UM, WE JUST DON'T FEEL B THREE IS APPROPRIATE HERE.
UM, MR. LL, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS SPOT ZONING? UH, YES, I WOULD.
UM, I'M LOOKING AND I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER B THREE ANYWHERE NEAR THERE AND, UM, THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? HI EVERYONE.
HOPE YOU GUYS ARE HAVING A GREAT DAY.
UM, I'M REPRESENTING AF INVESTMENTS AND SO THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO INVEST IN THIS LOT.
I MEAN, PREVIOUSLY THE PREVIOUS OWNER, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE HE CARED ABOUT THE LOT, AND THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS I'M TRYING TO BRING MORE TRAFFIC, MORE BUSINESS, AND I THINK A CAR LOT COULD DO GREAT FOR THAT AREA.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S NECESSARILY TOO TIGHT OR, OR WOULD BE STUFFING THE PARKING LOT.
I THINK THAT IT'S PLENTY OF ROOM.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE THAT WHOLE AREA, UH, UNUSED AND I THINK IT COULD GET SOME USE, GET SOME MORE TRAFFIC IN THERE.
UM, THE GATE, THE PURPOSE OF THE GATE IS TO HELP SEVER FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA NEAR US.
UM, AND I WAS TOLD THAT THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THE MASONRY.
I KNOW THAT THE PARKING LOT, THE CONCRETE NEEDS SOME WORK, SO I SAID THAT I WAS WILLING TO INVEST MORE MONEY AND MAKE THE CONCRETE IN ANY CONDITIONS THAT WAS NECESSARY.
UM, I WASN'T AWARE THAT IT WAS NEEDED TO BE REZONED.
I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS OKAY FOR B TWO, UH, THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, SO THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING FOR A REZONING.
UM, WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING, ANYTHING ELSE IN THE, IN THE LOT BESIDES OPENING UP A USED CAR LOT.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS ALREADY KIND OF ESTABLISHED, ALL THE UNITS ARE TAKEN CARE OF.
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IF OF US DOING OTHER BUSINESSES, MAYBE LIKE, LIKE HE SAID THAT YOU COULD DO FARM FARMING THERE.SO LIKE THAT'S NOT OUR, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANNA DO.
WE JUST WANNA DO A USED CAR LOT.
UH, AND I KNOW THAT HE SAID IT DOESN'T MATTER THE CONDITIONS OF THE VEHICLES, BUT, UM, WE, WE ARE GONNA BRING HIGHER END VEHICLES AS IN, YOU KNOW, NOT OLDER THAN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS LOW MILES.
UM, I KNOW THAT HE SAID THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BRING JUNK CARS.
WE WANNA BRING NICE VEHICLES, MAKE THE LOT LOOK NICE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PARKED TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE PARKING LOT.
WE, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY, YOU CAN VISUALLY SEE THOSE VEHICLES.
UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE MORE THAN LIKE 20 CARS OUT THERE, SO WE DON'T PLAN ON MAKING IT, YOU KNOW, SUPER, UM, CONDENSED AND, AND, AND MESSY.
SO WE JUST WANNA KEEP IT CLEAN, ORGANIZED.
SO ANY QUESTIONS? COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN IN SHEET, PLEASE? ALI? O ANY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? NOT A QUESTION, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO POSSIBLY CLARIFY FOR HIM.
YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN MR. SRO WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, ALL CARS ARE THE SAME, RIGHT? IT, THE APPROVAL ON THE REZONING ISN'T JUST ABOUT WHILE YOU OWN THE BUSINESS, IT'S PERMANENT.
SO IF YOU MOVE TO ANOTHER LOCATION AND IT IS ZONED FOR THAT, IT OPENS THE DOOR FOR ANYONE TO COME IN AND BE AUTO REPAIR, SHOP, OUTDOOR SERVICE, DIFFERENT KINDS OF CARS.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT YOUR YOUR PLAN, IT'S WHAT WHAT THAT PLAN BECOMES FOREVER IS, IS THE CONCERN.
I UNDERSTAND MS. FORGER, UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT AND THAT I'M, I'M VERY PLEASED WITH HOW WELL THE CURRENT OWNER HAS MAINTAINED THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
IT LOOKS NICE EVEN WHEN, EVEN THE VACANT AREAS LOOK NICE, UH, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THAT PROBABLY THIS WOULD LOOK NICE AS WELL.
HOWEVER, IT, IT IS A ZONING THAT WILL STAY AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT COULD GO IN THERE IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD NOT BE AS COMPATIBLE.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS POSSIBLE, BUT IS THERE A WAY TO WHERE IT WOULD BE ALLOWED JUST TO CARLA OR IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A FULL REZONE, WHICH WOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO EVERYTHING ELSE? UH, EXCUSE ME.
SO THE, THE ONLY WAY THAT, THAT WE COULD RESTRICT THE USE, UH, WOULD BE A REZONING TO PLAN COMMERCIAL, UH, AND HAVE A, UM, BASICALLY AN EXCLUDED, UH, A LIST OF EXCLUDED USES.
UM, WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
UM, I I, WE WOULD STILL HAVE ISSUES, I THINK WITH, UM, THE DENSITY, THE BUFFERING, THE PROXIMITY TO THE, THE RESIDENTIAL USES.
BUT, UM, THROUGH A PLANNED COMMERCIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT, UH, WE CAN FURTHER RESTRICT OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE ZONING CODE ALLOWS, BUT NOT WHEN IT'S, UH, STRAIGHT ZONED TO B THREE.
UH, MY QUESTION IS, SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE CAUSE FOR THE REASON OF LIKE RESIDENTIAL? WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD WE BE DOING THAT WOULD BE IN CONCERN FOR THAT? THE REALLY, BECAUSE THIS IS A, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO TRANSITION USES FROM INTENSE TO LESS INTENSE, WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE, UH, THE, A HIGHER INTENSITY ALONG OLD TROY PIKE, AND IT BECOMES LESS INTENSE AS IT GETS TO THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, DISTRICT.
UH, THE R SIX IN THIS CASE, WE'RE DOING THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
YOU'VE GOT B ONE AT THE CORON, AND NOW, UM, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS INTRODUCING THE MOST INTENSE DISTRICT ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENT, THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, WHICH REALLY GOES AGAINST, UM, A LOT OF PLANNING, UM, UH, PRACTICES AND, AND BEST PRACTICES.
UM, AGAIN, WE COULD RESTRICT THROUGH THE PLAN COMMERCIAL PROCESS, BUT THAT WOULD BE A, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A MUCH LONGER CONVERSATION ABOUT SITE PLAN EXPECTATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND WE WOULD WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW IT'S LAID OUT, WHERE, HOW THE PARKING WAS GONNA BE STAGED.
I WILL SAY THAT WE DID THAT WITH THE, UH, CAR, THE USED CAR, UM, LOT, UM, FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, AS I DROVE BY TODAY, THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES ON THAT SITE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD STRIPED IT OUT TO BE.
UH, AND SO THAT AGAIN, I MAKES, GIVES ME PAUSE, SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE AND HEARING? NO ONE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
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UM, A MOTION TO REQUEST THE APPROVAL BY THE APPLICANT? A AND F INVESTMENTS PROPERTY FOR APPROVAL OF REZONING PROPERTY IS LOCATING PROPERTY IS LOCATING AT 55 53 OLD TROY PIKE ZONING CASE, OUR RZ 24 29, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE ALSO, I'LL MAKE A MOTION MOVED BY, UH, MS. THOMAS.IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. CASSIDY? NO.
UM, MOTION'S, UH, DENIED FIVE TO ZERO.
UM, I CONCUR WITH THE STAFF'S ANALYSIS ON THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION ON THE REZONING.
THE LAND, UH, FROM B TWO TO B THREE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WOULD ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO STATE THEIR REASONING? YEP.
I MEAN, I'LL, I'VE BEEN PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT COMMERCIAL AJA RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT COMMERCIAL USES AND TO HAVE THE MOST INTENSE USE UP AGAINST COMMERCIAL OR, OR AGAINST RETAIL RESIDENTIAL LIKE THAT, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT IN, OBVIOUSLY ALONG WITH THE, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO, BUT YEAH, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT PART WITH THE HIGH INTENSITY IS WHAT MAKES IT HARDER FOR ME, AND I THINK THE FACT THAT THE SPOT ZONING IS INAPPROPRIATE, I, I WOULD JUST GO AND SAY THAT I AGREE WITH STA STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
AGAIN, MY CONCERN WOULD BE THERE IS NO ROOM FOR GROWTH AND THEN IT WOULD EVENTUALLY STACK UP AND IT WOULD NOT BE ATTRACTIVE.
AND I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UH, THE PROBLEMS THAT WOULD LEAD AFTER THAT.
I AGREE WITH TERRY'S COMMENTS.
I JUST THINK IT'S INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, THIS IS A, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION.
SO IT GOES, IT WILL GO TO, UM, THE JANUARY, UM, CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THEIR FINAL, UM, DECISION.
UH, I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT DATE THAT GETS SCHEDULED FOR.
IT'LL BE THE BACK HALF OF JANUARY.
NEXT ITEM UNDER DETAIL OR, UH, UNDER THE, UH, ON THE AGENDA IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT CARRIED TRAILS COMPANY LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 122, BUILDING LOTS IN ASSOCIATED RETENTION BASINS IN SECTION 20.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT RIVER BIRCH STREET AND CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY, DDP 24 DASH 30.
MR. RO YEAH, SO, EXCUSE ME, THIS IS THE FIRST, UH, SECTION, UM, IN THE FIRST PHASE OF CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO.
UM, SO THIS IS THE, UH, LAND THAT WAS RECENTLY ANNEXED, UH, INTO THE CITY.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING ESSENTIALLY PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL, UH, FOR 122 BUILDING LOTS, UH, AS WELL AS THE ASSOCIATED, UH, DETENTION AREAS.
UH, THE SITE IS ZONED PLANNED MIXED USE AND THE SURROUNDING, UH, PROPERTIES ARE ALL ZONED, ALSO PLANNED MIXED USE.
UH, THIS IS KIND OF THE OVERVIEW, EXCUSE ME, THE OVERVIEW OF THE, UM, THE PLANS WITH THE 122 LOTS.
THE SHADED AREA IS FUTURE LOTS THAT WILL, THAT WILL BE, UM, FORTHCOMING.
UM, THE, THE, THE PLAN MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, UH, CARRIAGES TRAILS TWO BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THESE LOTS.
UH, ONE, SOME OF THE LOTS, UH, THAT ARE, UH, LOTS LABELED ONE THROUGH 13, THEY ARE ADJACENT TO CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE, UH, AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN REGULATIONS IS THAT STATES THAT, UH, LOTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE MUST BE THE SAME OR SIZE OR LARGER.
UH, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF 56 UH, FOOT LOTS.
THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THAT, UH, AND WILL REVISE THE PLAT BEFORE MOVING TO, UH, TO, TO THE FINAL, UM, FINAL STAGES.
SO AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE SUBDIVISION AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE 25 FOOT FRONT AND REAR SETBACKS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, 56 FEET IS THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE THAT IS, UH, PORTRAYED IN THIS SECTION, IN THIS PHASE, UM, WHICH EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM 50 FOOT LOT IN THE CARRIAGE TRAILS.
TWO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, AS I NOTED LOTS NUMBER 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12,
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AND 13 MUST BE ENLARGED TO AT LEAST 60 FEET SINCE THEY ARE ADJACENT TO CARRIAGE TRAILS.UH, ONE, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD A FEW MINOR COMMENTS.
UH, THE, THE ONE BEING THAT, UM, THE PLANS DIDN'T DEPICT, UM, FIRE, UH, HYDRANT LOCATIONS.
THAT IS TYPICAL IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THAT'LL ALL BE, UH, FINALIZED IN THE, IN THE FINAL PLAT AS WELL AS FINAL DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS.
UM, CITY ENGINEER HAD NO COMMENTS, SO PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CARRIAGES TRAILS TO SECTION 20, PHASE ONE SUBMITTED ON NOVEMBER 10TH WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT LOTS ONE THROUGH 13 SHALL BE AT LEAST 60 FEET WIDE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. S FARGO? IS THERE ANY REASON YOU DON'T HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS PART OF THE STAFF ANALYSIS? BECAUSE THE FIRE CODE IS GONNA TRUMP ZONING AND THAT THE FIRE CODE WILL, WILL, IT'LL TAKE PRECEDENCE.
DON'T NEED TO PUT IT IN THERE.
UH, AND ALSO REGINA WAS ON VACATION AND THIS WAS DONE PRIOR TO, UH, OR ACTUALLY, UH, GIVING THE, UH, THE REPORT TO US.
BUT UM, YEAH, THE FIRE CODE, ALL OF THAT WILL BE, UH, ADDRESSED.
WILL WE SEE, UM, I, I MEAN I DON'T SEE MUCH DETAIL.
YEAH, SO, SO OUR CODE IS A LITTLE ODD, UM, REALLY IN EVERY OTHER ZONING CODE.
THIS WOULD BE CALLED THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
UM, AND SO THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
YOU'LL SEE THE FINAL PLAT, UM, LATER.
UH, THINGS LIKE LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE.
BUT, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO CARRIAGE TRAILS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I LIKE EVERYTHING IN WRITING
AARON, DO YOU HAVE SHEET FOUR UP THERE? I, I DON'T, I DID NOT COPY IT, BUT, UM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, SO IT'S, WELL IT'S WHERE THE TURN IN IS GONNA BE.
SO AM I CORRECT BY LOOKING AT IT? IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE, THE MEDIAN THAT'S THERE AND CUT A DROP LANE INTO IT.
AND THEN I'VE, I'VE DRIVEN IT A COUPLE TIMES IF YOU'RE EXITING FROM THE CURRENT RIVER BIRCH.
SO THE OTHER SIDE, I GUESS THAT'S THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PARKWAY AND TURNING LEFT, YOU DO LOSE SOME VISIBILITY AROUND WHERE THE CARS ARE COMING AROUND THOSE BENDS DOWN THE PARKWAY.
SO IF, IF IT IS POSSIBLE WHEN THEY GET INTO THAT JUST TO TAKE AN EXTRA LOOK AT MEASUREMENTS AND STUFF TO SEE IF POSSIBLY I, BECAUSE I DROVE IT AT, AT MORNING AND AT DUSK AND IT, IT CAN LOSE SOME VISIBILITY AS A CHANGE IN ELEVATION AND CHANGE OF ANGLE OF VIEWING.
IF THAT IS CUT IN, WHICH I HOPE IT IS, THAT THAT I THINK IS THE BEST OPTION TO HAVE A DROP LANE CUT IN THERE OR WHATEVER WE WANNA CALL TURN LANE CUT IN.
UM, BUT ALSO IF WE COULD LOOK AT THE, THE SPACING BETWEEN THAT CURB AND THE NEXT CURB IN FRONT OF IT WHERE IT'D BE LIKE A U-TURN CURBS JUST BECAUSE ONE, IF WE START GETTING CROSS TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE RIGHT.
AND THAT MUCH IT'S, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA BE THE, THE MAIN ENTRY POINT THAT DOES PUSH A LOT, BUT I THINK IF WE LOOK AT IT NOW AND SEE WHERE SOME CROSS TRAFFIC COULD BE AN ISSUE, IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER EXPANDING THE GAP BETWEEN THOSE CURBS AND INCREASING THE SPACING THERE A LITTLE BIT.
AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO INCREASE THE VISIBILITY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE EVENTUALLY COMING AND TURNING LEFT OFF OF CAR TRAILS PARKWAY INTO THE EXISTING RIVER BIRCH AND I WOULD IMAGINE WOULD BE THE SAME THING COMING OFF CAR TRAILS PARKWAY, THE OTHER DIRECTION TO TURN LEFT INTO THE NEW RIVER BIRCH.
IT'S THAT SAME LINE OF SIGHT THAT I, I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS AHEAD OF TIME.
MR. CASSIDY, SO AARON, IF LOTS ONE THROUGH 13 ARE SUPPOSED TO BE 60 FEET WIDE, IS THERE ACTUALLY ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE 13 LOTS THERE? NO, UM, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS ONE LOT WILL PROBABLY GET DROPPED AND UH, OR THE ONE THAT'S ON THE VERY, UH, FAR END MAY, MAY SHUFFLE A LITTLE BIT.
SO THESE WILL ALL GET RENUMBERED.
UM, AND I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT, UM, THAT ENTRANCE AT RIVER BIRCH, I KNOW EVERY OTHER SORT OF MAIN INTERSECTION THAT CARES TRAILS HAS A ROUNDABOUT, THIS ONE WILL NOT.
MY CONCERN IS WITH THE LEVEL OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE INCREASED HERE, NOT HAVING THAT ROUNDABOUT SEEMS TO ME LIKE A, NOT A GREAT IDEA.
SO THERE ARE, SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, THERE ARE A FEW ENTRANCES THAT ARE ON CARRIAGES TRAILS THAT DON'T HAVE ROUNDABOUTS.
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ENTRANCES CERTAINLY DO.BUT THERE ARE A FEW OFFSHOOTS.
I JUST THINK WITH THE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE PLANNED FOR THIS AREA, NOT HAVING ONE AT THIS CORE INTERSECTION, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING SOUTH AND THEN TRYING TO MAKE THAT LEFT HAND TURN.
AND I THINK IT'S GONNA GET DIFFICULT.
I I WILL TAKE A, ANOTHER LOOK AT IT.
UM, THE THERE IS WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT TO THOSE PROPERTIES ON THE SOUTH, UM, BY RECONFIGURING THIS GEOMETRY, UM, FOR A ROUNDABOUT, UM, NORTH AND SOUTH.
BUT WE WILL, I WILL WORK WITH KEN AND TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT AS WELL AS WITH RUSS ON WHAT THAT HE HAS TO, WHAT HIS OPINION IS ON, ON THAT.
BECAUSE I KNOW LIKE ON MEADOW VIEW, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE A ROUNDABOUT AT THAT INTERSECTION, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HOUSES IN THAT GENERAL AREA.
THIS IS GONNA BE A LOT OF HOUSES IN THIS AREA.
UM, I JUST HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW THERE.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, SO THIS IS THE, THE FURTHEST SOUTHEAST AREA OF THAT ANNEX LAND, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT ANNEX LAND IS NORTH INTO THE WEST.
UM, SO I THINK A LOT OF IT WILL GO FLOW DIRECTLY SOUTH THROUGH, THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ROUNDABOUTS AS WELL.
I JUST THINK THOUGH 122 BUILDING LOTS, I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, ANYWAY, YOU'RE HEARING MY CONCERN.
IF THERE'S SOME SUGGESTION THERE.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS IT TOO LATE TO CONSIDER A ROUNDABOUT IN THAT AREA OR AT THAT INTERSECTION? IT'S NEVER TOO, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE CONCERN OF TWO PEOPLE UP HERE.
SO BEFORE I, BEFORE I SAY YES OR NO, LET ME TALK TO ENGINEERING ABOUT THAT.
UM, I'M NOT SURE YOU HAVE THE WIDTH.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT THE WIDTH.
JUST LOOK, JUST EYEBALLING IT.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT THE WIDTH.
I'M ALWAYS A FAN OF ASKING FOR A ROUNDABOUT AND I JUST DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE WIDTH.
WITHOUT MOVING THE ROAD, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT NOW'S THE TIME INSTEAD OF YEAH.
I DON'T THINK THE TR IT'S, IT, IT IS A HUNDRED AND SOME ODD, YOU KNOW, WELL IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN 122.
RIGHT? THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE.
UM, GIVEN THE OTHER TRAFFIC DISTRIBUTION THAT'S GONNA OCCUR, I, I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, I, I DO WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE VISIBILITY, BUT I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE VOLUME AT THAT INTERSECTION.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW, JUST LIVING THERE.
I JUST KNOW TRYING TO GET ACROSS THOSE MEDIANS CAN BE PRETTY DIFFICULT SOMETIMES.
THE ONE THING THAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS SPOT COMPARED TO THE OTHER ONES THAT AREN'T AT ROUNDABOUTS IS THIS IS THE, THE FIRST ONE I THINK THAT'S GONNA HAVE A STRAIGHT THROUGH ON BOTH SIDES.
SO YEAH, THE OTHER ONES ARE STAGGERED.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE SOMEBODY AT RIVER BIRCH ROLLING THAT STOP SIGN AND GOING STRAIGHT AND YOU KNOW, BUT I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LAND THERE TO DO THAT.
I DON'T NOT WITHOUT CHANGING THE APPROACH OF, OF CARRIAGE TRAILS BOULEVARD AND THAT WE WOULD NEED TO SIGNIFICANTLY RE-ENGINEER THAT AREA AND WHICH I, I WOULD ARGUE IS COST PROHIBITIVE.
SO ARE THERE OTHER TRAFFIC SIGNALING ELEMENTS THAT WE CAN PUT THERE AND MAKE IT SAFER? YES.
YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT IN HIGH INTENSITY FLASHERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO ALERT PEOPLE THAT THIS IS AN INTERSECTION, UM, AND, AND DO PAVE BETTER PAVEMENT MARKINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I I WHICH ARE LOW COST OPTIONS.
YEAH, NO, I, I HEAR YOU ON THE, ON THE WIDTH.
I JUST, IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING WITH SIGNALING DEVICES OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL I THINK.
SO MR. JEFFRIES, SO SOMETHING JUST THOUGHT OF WHICH, SO I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CURB CUT CURRENTLY IS, SO IF WE'RE COMING WESTBOUND ON PARK CT PARKWAY AND TURNING LEFT ONTO RIVER BIRCH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT CURB CUT.
BUT IF WE'RE COMING EASTBOUND AND TURNING LEFT ONTO THE NEW RIVER BIRCH, SHOULDN'T WE PUT A CURB CUT IN THERE ALSO TO GET THAT TRAFFIC OVER SO WE COULD LOOK AT THAT? WE COULD ALSO, I MEAN IT'S TWO LANES.
WE COULD ALSO CHANGE THE LANE GEOMETRY AT THAT INTERSECTION AS WELL.
YOU MAY EFFECTIVELY HAVE A SECOND LANE ALREADY.
IT WOULD JUST BE, YOU KNOW, CHANGING IT JUST GETS SOME OUTTA THE WAY, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE BENDS
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COME COMING AROUND THERE WITH ALL THE BENDS AND I KNOW, I KNOW IT'S DESIGNED BASED ON HOW PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO DRIVE.I DON'T KNOW HOW WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT DO DRIVE AND WE'VE SEEN ALL THE ACCIDENTS ON 2 0 1 AT THE LEFT TURN POINT.
SO IF WE'VE GOT THAT ON THERE, IF WHILE WE CAN NOW, IF WE CAN PUT A LEFT, GET 'EM OUT THE LANE.
THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM TO PLAY WITHOUT MOVING THE VEHICLES IN THAT SECTION RIGHT OUT, OUT ABSENT, UH, A ROUNDABOUT.
YEAH, I I LIKE THAT LEFT TURN LANE.
I MEAN THAT'S HOW MEADOWVIEW IS SET UP.
IT'S GOT THE LEFT TURN LANE AND IT IS REALLY HELPFUL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU SIR.
MM-HMM
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD.
KEN CONAWAY WITH CARRIAGE TRAILS AND IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK
UM, NOTHING REALLY TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LOTS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IT'S OUR TYPICAL DESIGN, TWO SIZE LOTS IN THIS AND WE'LL TRY TO GET FOUR BUILDERS OR TWO BUILDERS ROLLING ON FOUR LOT SIZES HERE, TWO SIZES FOR EACH.
UH, IF THAT DRAWING NUMBER FOUR IS NOT ON THERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT MIRRORS MEADOW VIEW.
SO WE ALREADY DESIGNED A DROP LANE FOR EASTBOUND TRAFFIC TURNING NORTH.
THERE'LL BE A DROP LANE THAT, THAT WILL REPLICATE WHAT YOU SEE NOW FOR OKAY.
WESTBOUND TRAFFIC TURNING SOUTH.
AND THEN ON THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, WHEN I DO THE SIGN SUBMITTAL, WE ALWAYS OVERLAY THE SIGN, THE MONUMENT SIGN DRAWINGS WITH THE SITE TRIANGLES.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE SITE TRIANGLE OVERLAY, UH, FOR THAT INTERSECTION.
OF COURSE THE OTHER ONE'S FINISHED SO THERE'S NOTHING, I WON'T BE SUBMITTING ANYTHING FOR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET, BUT FOR THE NEW NORTH ENTRANCE YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE A TRAFFIC SITE LINE OVERLAY WITH THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS FOR THE SIGNAGE.
UH, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REALLY.
WE'RE JUST HONESTLY JUST GLAD TO GET STARTED.
WE HOPE THAT WE CAN UH, FINISH UP THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND BE READY TO START CONSTRUCTION IN MARCH.
SO WE DO OWE ERRAND DETAILS ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND WORK WITH RUSS ON, ON THAT PROCESS.
JUST UH, UH, AND I GUESS AN ASK, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DUMPSTERS BEFORE AND THE LEAD TIME ON THAT WHEN THEY GET THE CONSTRUCTION GOING, IF WE CAN JUST GET ON THE BUILDERS TO REQUEST THEM BEFORE THEY'RE OVERFLOWING.
SO LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
SO JUST TO, YOU KNOW, PUT A, YOU KNOW, PUT A REMINDER OUT THERE AND A BIG ASK.
IT'S, WELL OF COURSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
IT GOT A LITTLE BIT BETTER TOWARDS THE END OF THE BUILD OUT, RIGHT? WHERE I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO, THERE'S THE TWO OR THREE PRI, YOU KNOW, REPUBLIC WASTE MANAGEMENT, UH, ROUSH OR ABOUT THE ONLY THREE PEOPLE THAT PUT THOSE DUMPSTERS OUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ALL LOST DRIVERS AT THE SAME TIME OR WHAT HAPPENED, BUT THOSE THINGS WERE SITTING AROUND FOR WEEKS OVERFLOWING, THEN IT JUST ALL BLOWS OUT AND CREATES A BIG PROBLEM.
SO UN UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM AND WE'VE GOT A BETTER EYE ON IT NOW THAN WE HAD BEFORE IT BECAME A PROBLEM FOR SURE.
YEAH, I THINK FROM TALKING ABOUT IT BEFORE, I THINK PART OF IT WAS THE BUILDERS WAITED UNTIL IT WAS NEEDED DONE INSTEAD OF IT'S GONNA BE NEEDED BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
SO IF WE CAN JUST GET ON IT A LITTLE EARLIER INSTEAD OF LATER RIGHT.
IT'S GONNA BE A WHILE BEFORE IT MATTERS.
I MEAN, WE'RE ROADS AND HOUSES TO GET HOPEFULLY NOT TOO LONG, BUT YEAH, IT WILL BE
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
IS THERE A, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? CARRIAGE TRAILS COMPANY LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN? PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT RIVER BIRCH STREET AND CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY CASE DDP 24 30 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED DECEMBER 3RD, 2024 AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. VARGO.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. THOMAS? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, THE APPLICANT WILL REVISE THE, UH, UM, PRELIMINARY PLAT AS WELL AS, UH,
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PROVIDE US WITH CONSTRUCTION DRAWING FOR REVIEW OF CIVIL ENGINEERING AND FIRE.NEXT ITEM IS ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, WHICH WE HAVE NONE.
UH, FOLLOWING IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTIONS.
THE MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE APPROVED.
THEY ARE APPROVED REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW MR. RELL? YEAH.
AT UM, AT THIS POINT ALL I HAVE IS A RECORD PLAN FOR JANUARY AND IT'S A MINOR RECORD PLAN.
SO IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS, I MAY, UH, PUNT THAT TO FEBRUARY 'CAUSE IT'S OUR PROPERTY AND IT CAN WAIT.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE AT THE MOMENT.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. RELL.
CAN YOU BRING US UP TO DATE ON, ON BUCKY'S? YES.
SO, UM, THEY SHOULD BE A ES SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.
UM, BUCKY'S SHOULD BE REBIL, UH, AND CONTIN CONTINUING TO WORK ON SITE AS WELL AS, UH, STARTING TO WORK TO MOVE THE SEWER, UM, SANITARY SEWER AROUND THEIR BUILDING.
SO, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN EMAIL CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM THE PAST WEEK, SO EVERYTHING SHOULD BE BACK ON TRACK.
HAS THAT BEEN RESOLVED? WHO'S GOING TO PROVIDE THE UTILITIES? IT, IT, IT HAS, UM, SO THE COUNTY AND US HAVE COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND, UH, SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
THE COUNTIES SHOULD BE VOTING ON THEIR SIDE.
SO YEAH, ALL THIS SHOULD BE RESOLVED.
YEAH, THE, THE RAIN'S NOT HELPING 'EM, BUT, UM, ASSUMING RIGHT.
YEAH, THEY SHOULD, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE BACK ON SITE.
I WISH EVERYONE A MERRY CHRISTMAS.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR.