* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] OOPS. [1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call] GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION. TODAY'S DATE IS NOVEMBER 19TH, 2024. IT IS 6 0 2, AND WE'RE GETTING STARTED, UH, WITH OUR HOLIDAY SCHEDULE. UM, I'M ONLY HAVING ONE MEETING THIS MONTH. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN GONE FOR A WHILE, SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE ALL OF YOU. UH, GLAD EVERYONE WAS ABLE TO MAKE IT THIS EVENING. WE HAVE A LOADED AGENDA TONIGHT. UH, LOTS OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. SO, UH, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED HERE. SO, WITH, UH, THAT THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER. SO TONY, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE. MR. DAVIDSON. HERE. MS. BAKER? HERE. MR. CAMPBELL? HERE. MRS. VERGE. HERE. MR. AKINS. PRESENT. MR. LOONEY? PRESENT? MRS. KITCHEN? HERE. MR. WEBB? HERE. MAYOR GORE HERE. NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH [2. Approval Of Minutes] IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES. ITEM TWO A IS THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 22ND, 2024. UH, THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED BY TONY. UH, EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR CORRECTIONS, PLEASE LET US KNOW NOW. OKAY. NOT SEEING ANY OF THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED. OKAY. SO LET'S GET RIGHT INTO OUR, UH, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, AND WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THAT. NUMBER THREE. AND ITEM THREE [ City Manager Report] A IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT. JOHN, GOOD TO SEE YOU, SIR. YOU TOO, SIR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL. A COUPLE THINGS TONIGHT. UH, BEEN, UH, BUSY SINCE, SINCE WE HAVE BEEN OFF, SO I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS TO SHARE WITH YOU. SO, UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UM, I, I'D LIKE TO SHARE SOME GOOD NEWS. UM, I KNOW WE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT WE HAVE THE BEST POLICE AND FIRE IN THE BUSINESS, BUT, UH, SOME OF THE REPORTS THAT WE'RE GETTING NOW OUT OF, UH, SOME OF OUR DATA THAT WE SUBMIT ANNUALLY TO CARES, WHICH IS A CARDIAC ARREST REGISTRY, UH, IT'S A NATIONAL PROGRAM. UM, THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT JUST GOT ALL OF OUR DATA BACK FROM THAT, UM, STUDY. AND, UM, IT REALLY SHOWS, IF YOU LOOK IN THE FIRST COLUMN, AND I KNOW THIS IS QUICK AND I'LL TRY AND SEND THIS OUT TO EVERYBODY TO KIND OF DIGEST A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT WHEN HUBER HEIGHTS FIRE, UM, RESPONDS OUT TO SOMEONE IN CARDIAC ARREST IN HUBER HEIGHTS, UM, OUR SURVIVAL RATES ARE, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, UM, WELL ABOVE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE AND EVEN ABOVE THE, UM, STATE OF OHIO AVERAGE. SO, UM, SOME OF THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT STICK OUT TO ME, I WILL SAY THE BIGGEST THING, UM, AT THE BOTTOM, AND THIS IS MY SHAMELESS PLUG IF YOU WILL, UM, THE A HUNDRED PERCENT NUMBER THAT YOU SEE THERE IS WHEN A BYSTANDER IS ON SCENE AND DOES CPR AND THERE'S AN A ED PRESENT. WE HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, SUCCESS RATE. AWESOME. NOW, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A HARD GOAL TO ATTAIN . YES. UM, HAVING AN A ED EVERYWHERE IN, IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC IS, IS HARD. BUT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. I KNOW, UM, WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS COMING UP WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE A ED PRESENCE IN THE PARKS AND SOME OTHER THINGS. SO, UM, I JUST THOUGHT YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT. UH, LIKE I SAID, WE SAY WE DO A GREAT JOB, BUT THESE NUMBERS KINDA SHOW THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE WELL AND ABOVE, UM, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE ON THE, UH, CARDIAC SURVIVABILITY. SO, JOHN, REAL QUICK, YEAH. ON THE, UM, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, OBVIOUSLY A BYSTANDER GIVING, GIVING CPR IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. IT IS. UM, BUT WOULD YOU GO OVER WHAT AN A ED IS FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO DUNNO WHAT IT'S, YEAH, SO, UM, SO REALLY, UH, AND I'M, MAN, HISTORY WISE, IF YOU GO BACK A BUNCH OF YEARS, UM, IT WAS FOUND THAT WHEN, WHEN, WHEN SOMEONE'S IN CARDIAC ARREST, MOST TIMES THEY NEED SOME ELECTRICITY TO BE DELIVERED. IT'S YEARS AND YEARS AGO WAS JUST DONE MANUALLY BY PEOPLE THAT WERE TRAINED TO DO THAT. WELL, THEN THEY DECIDED, UM, THAT WE COULD GET A COMPUTER TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THOSE RHYTHMS AND DECIDE IF THAT PERSON NEEDED ELECTRICITY AND THE COMPUTER COULD THEN DO THAT AUTOMATICALLY. SO, UM, WE HAVE NOW, I MEAN, WE HAVE 'EM IN ALL OF OUR CITY BUILDINGS. UM, WE HAVE MANUAL DEFIBRILLATORS IN ALL OF OUR PIECES OF APPARATUS. UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE IN SOME ROVING PIECES OF APPARATUS AS WELL. SO WE'RE WELL COVERED. BUT WE'D LIKE, I MEAN, I, I'VE ALSO DONE SOME TRAINING IN MY OLD JOB WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE HAD SOME GRANT CYCLES THAT WENT THROUGH WHERE SOME CHURCHES HAD AEDS PLACED IN THEM AS WELL. SO WE HAVE SOME IN, SOME, SOME LARGE GATHERING SPACES. IT'S JUST GETTING THEM INTO SOME OF THOSE SMALLER GATHERING SPACES AND AND MORE PREVALENT IN, IN ALL OF THE PUBLIC WOULD BE REALLY GREAT. SO, AND, AND I THINK, UM, SO PEOPLE ARE, ARE AWARE THOSE, THEY'RE NOT DIFFICULT TO USE. SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE KEY TO THAT IS PEOPLE, I JOKED WHEN I TAUGHT THESE CLASSES THAT YOU COULD REALLY PUT IT IN A GROUP OF SECOND GRADERS. IT'S COLOR CODED, YOU KNOW, ON, AND THEN IT, IT DOES ITS OWN OWN DEAL. SO, YEAH, NO DOUBT. OKAY. AWESOME. YEAH. YES, SIR. JOHN, I, I KNOW WE HAVE CPR TRAINING. WE DO, DO WE HAVE A D TRAINING? WE DO. SO IT'S ACTUALLY TOGETHER NOW. SO THE, SO THE TRAINING THAT WE DO, UM, AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE'VE GOT SOME VOLUNTEER TRAINERS THAT DO THAT. RAY GERARD WOULD BE ONE OF THEM. SO THE CLASSES WE OFFER TO THE PUBLIC ARE CPR AND A ED CERTIFICATION. SO WE DON'T DO ANY CLASSES ANYMORE THAT DON'T INCLUDE BOTH OF THOSE ELEMENTS. SO IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY IF YOU'RE GETTING BYSTANDER CPR, YOU'RE LEARNING HOW TO USE AN A ED AS WELL. CORRECT. 'CAUSE YOU'RE SEEING THEM SO MANY MORE LOCATION FOR SURE, FOR FOR SURE. JUST LIKE CHURCHES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO YOU GOT IT. YEAH. IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, GOOD PIECE OF NEWS THERE. SO, UM, NEXT I WANNA FOCUS A LITTLE BIT ON OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. [00:05:01] SO, UM, WHEN I FIRST TOOK THIS JOB, UM, I MET WITH CHIEF LIGHTNER AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I PAID ATTENTION TO SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL AS YOU GUYS, AND YOU GUYS HAVE MADE IT, YOU KNOW, WELL KNOWN THAT THAT ENFORCEMENT IN THIS AREA IS, IS IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITIZENS, IMPORTANT TO YOU GUYS? SO, UM, WE DID START SOME, UH, TARGETED ENFORCEMENT AND SAFETY, UM, INITIATIVES. SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE TARGETED AREAS THAT WE KNEW WERE PROBLEMATIC. I MEAN, I KNOW MOST OF YOU CAN PROBABLY PREDICT SOME OF THESE. TROY PIKE, BRANT PIKE, CARRIAGE TRAIL. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SOME TARGETED AREAS. UM, WE ALSO STARTED TO INVOLVE THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS UNIT. SO THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS UNIT USUALLY GOES OUT AND DOES PR AND SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT WHEN THEY'RE NOT DOING THOSE TASKS, WE'VE NOW TASKED THEM WITH HELPING WITH SOME OF THIS ENFORCEMENT. UM, WE'VE ALSO, UM, WE HAVE SOME FLOCK CAMERAS, AND IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THOSE, THOSE ARE CAMERAS THAT ARE OUT THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT, UM, THAT KIND OF HELP WITH, UM, REALLY POST INCIDENT. THEY, THEY CAN FIND LICENSE PLATES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND PING. UM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO HELPFUL IN CERTAIN, IN INCIDENCES AS WELL. UM, SO WE'VE GOT TWO MORE OF THOSE. ONE AT BRANT AND CARRIAGE TRAILS, ONE AT OLD TROY PING CARRIAGE TRAILS. SO NOW WE'VE GOT 10 FLOCK CAMERAS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE, UH, CITY. SO, AND THEN LAST, WE JUST CHANGED SOME OF OUR POLICY AND PROCEDURES ON ENFORCEMENT. UM, AND, AND REALLY WE, WE DON'T LIKE TO SAY ENFORCEMENT. WE WANT TO SAY EDUCATION REALLY. I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY FOCUS ON EDUCATION, UM, UM, SPEED, UM, DANGEROUS ACTIVITY. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, RUNNING RED LIGHTS. SO WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY PUSH THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. WE'VE GOT, UM, MOST OF OUR ROAD OFFICERS NOW, UM, KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT YOU OUT THERE AND I WANT YOU ENGAGING WITH THE CITIZENS AND TRYING TO EDUCATE THEM ON A DAILY BASIS. SO TO THAT POINT, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, SOME OF THE NUMBERS, SO I JUST HAD HIM COMPARE OUR NUMBERS THIS YEAR TO OUR NUMBERS LAST YEAR. UM, SO LAST YEAR THEY MADE 3,200, UH, TRAFFIC STOPS. YOU'LL SEE THIS YEAR THEY'VE MADE ALMOST 5,000. THAT'S ABOUT A 48% INCREASE IN TRAFFIC STOPS. UM, CITATION WISE, WE MADE 889 LAST YEAR. WE HAVE A 68% INCREASE THIS YEAR RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY THROUGH, UM, NOVEMBER 13TH. IT'S 1500. AND THEN WE'VE, UM, INCREASED BY ALMOST 121% OUR WARNINGS TO THE PUBLIC. SO, UM, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THAT CURRENTLY, JOHN'D, JUST LIKE TO SAY, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS I KNOW THAT THIS COUNCIL WAS, WAS ANXIOUS AND, AND SEEING YOU IN THAT CHAIR WAS YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY BACKGROUND. AND I THINK IF WE COULD, UH, AS A COUNCIL RELAY THE IMPORTANCE OF PUBLIC SAFETY TO ANYBODY IN THAT CHAIR, IT WOULD BE YOU WHO WOULD UNDERSTAND AND BE THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND MANY CHANGES, UH, IN ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS. AND I THINK, UM, I'M VERY, VERY HAPPY AND AND PLEASED WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE SEEN, UH, THAT, THAT WE'VE SPOKE ABOUT AND, AND TALKED ABOUT. AND I'M, AND I'M THANKFUL FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT FOR ALL PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT WE, UH, HAVE THIS BIG BUDGET LINE ITEM AND THAT WE'RE RUNNING THE CITY OFF OF TRAFFIC TICKETS. THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT THE CASE. NO. TRAFFIC TICKETS ARE, AS YOU SAID, I THINK THEY'RE THE LAST THING THAT WE WANT TO DO. WE WISH PEOPLE WOULD JUST BE COMPLIANT WITH THE LAW FOR SURE. UM, THE FACT THAT WE'RE GIVING WARNINGS TO ME SAYS THERE IS A LOT MORE TICKETS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN, BUT WE JUST WANT PEOPLE TO BE COMPLIANT. BUT WE'RE NOT RUNNING ANY CITY BUDGET OFF, OFF OF, OFF OF THE MONEY THAT COMES FROM, FROM, FROM TRAFFIC. NO, SIR. , THAT'S NOT FUNDING ANY BIG CITY DEPARTMENT. SO, UM, BUT YES, THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO. THANK YOU FOR MAKING SURE, AND NOT THAT BOTH CHIEFS SAID HOW IMPORTANT THIS WAS. NO, BUT WE ALWAYS NEED SOMEBODY IN THAT SEAT DRIVING HOW IMPORTANT PUBLIC SAFETY IS, AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE IN THAT SEAT, AND WE APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'RE DOING. NO, I APPRECIATE IT. SERIOUSLY. UM, AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS. I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME INITIATIVES FOR 2025 WE'D LIKE TO ROLL OUT. AGAIN, IT'S MORE GEARED TOWARDS EDUCATION AND, AND REALLY JUST MAKING PEOPLE AWARE OF WHAT THE SITUATION IS INSTEAD OF JUST WRITING CITATION AFTER CITATION AFTER CITATION. SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE POLICE SIDE? OKAY. UH, JUST A COUPLE OTHER POINTS TO NOTE. UM, MY, MY SHAMELESS PLUGS, IF YOU WILL, FOR OUR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS, UM, WE DO HAVE SOME LIGHTS IN THE HEIGHTS. UM, IT IS A, UM, UH, LIST, IF YOU WILL, THAT WE'RE GONNA DISTRIBUTE THAT'S GONNA HAVE, UM, UH, HOUSES THAT PARTICIPATE OR WANT TO PARTICIPATE. YOU CAN SIGN UP ON OUR WEBSITE OR ON OUR, UM, SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS, AND THEN WE'LL PUT THE LIST OUT. AND THOSE ARE JUST PLACES THAT, UM, PEOPLE WILL KNOW THAT CAN GO AND, AND SEE SOME PRETTY, UH, GLORIOUS LIGHT DISPLAYS. WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF 'EM AROUND THE CITY. SO NEXT, UM, WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF LEAF PICKUP, IF YOU WILL. UM, I KNOW WE'VE, I'VE, I'VE STAYED PRETTY HOT AND HEAVY ON THE WEBSITE AND ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT JUST GE KEEPING PEOPLE INFORMED. WE'RE ALMOST THROUGH OUR SECOND PASS THROUGH THE CITY. UH, WE'LL BE CONTINUING THIS, UH, LONG INTO DECEMBER, UM, UH, AFTER THE LEAVES HAVE FALLEN, UM, AS, AS LONG AS WE'VE GOT, UH, DECENT WEATHER TO DEAL WITH. AND THEN, UH, IF YOU WANT UPDATES, IT'S REALLY HARD TO KEEP THAT, UH, ON THIS SLIDE. SO I JUST, I'M GOING TO DRIVE YOU TOWARDS OUR WEBSITE AND OUR SOCIAL MEDIA. MM-HMM. DAILY. YOU'LL SEE AN UPDATE ON WHAT ZONE THEY'RE [00:10:01] IN. THERE'S A MAP OF THE ZONES, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO CALL CITY HALL. AND THEN JUST THE LAST THING, ANOTHER SHAMELESS PLUG HERE IS WE'RE, UH, STARTING TO WRAP UP THE, UH, UH, DIVERSITY, UH, ASSESSMENT. WE'RE GONNA START MOVING OUT INTO SOME FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS, BUT, UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF IT. WE'VE PUT IT ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA. UM, UH, THIS WILL BE ON THE RECORDED SESSION, SO IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE, UM, WEBSITE IS FOR THAT, IT'S THERE AT THE BOTTOM AND YOU CAN, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THAT SURVEY AS WELL. SO, ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS SEAN. APPRECIATE THE UPDATE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FOR JOHN REGARDING THINGS ON HIS, UH, UPDATE? YES, ANITA, THIS IS KIND OF, I WAS IN A MEETING THIS AFTERNOON AND PUBLIC HEALTH APPROACHED ME YEAH. AND SAID THAT JUST US IN RIVERSIDE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT'S NOT WORKING WITH THEM CURRENTLY, BUT THEY CAN SUPPLY FREE NARCAN AND FREE FENTANYL TEST STRIPS. UM, SO THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT AS A CITY. THEY JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO KNOW AND ADDRESS TO DROP OFF A BAG, NOT TALK TO 'EM OR ANYTHING ELSE. JUST DROP OFF A BAG OF RESOURCES AND NARCAN SO THAT FAMILY WOULD HAVE IT IF SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN AGAIN. OKAY. I'LL GET OUT, I'LL REACH OUT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND OUT. SO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE SAVING OUR BUDGET. I KNOW FIRE, I MEAN, I KNOW FIRE FROM OUR, FROM OUR ASPECT, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN PRETTY, PRETTY TIGHTLY KNIT WITH PUBLIC HEALTH. UM, YOU KNOW, WE GOT SOME PAMPHLETS AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE HANDED OUT AT THE HEIGHT OF THE, UH, EPIDEMIC. UM, SO I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED WITH 'EM, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE REACH OUT. YEP. I THOUGHT WE SEND YOU THE CONTACT, BUT YEAH, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANITA, ANYTHING ELSE? YES, KATE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. HEY JOHN. YEAH. WHAT BUILDINGS DO WE KNOW? HAVE WE IDENTIFIED WHAT BUILDING CITY BUILDINGS DON'T HAVE AN A ED IN IT? UM, TBD, YOU CAN LET ME KNOW. NO, I DON'T THINK I'M, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, THAT'S WHY, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHO ALL THE SCHOOL BUILDINGS HAVE. 'EM, UH, THE SCHOOLS, I BOUGHT ALL THEM FOR THEM. OKAY. SO I, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT. DAVE FORD AND I PURCHASED ALL OF THEM, SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE. YOU'RE HERE, YOU TAKE YEAH. NO, NO, NO. DAVE, DAVE WAS A BIG PUSHER AND SO WAS NURSE RAY. SO, I MEAN, AND THEY CAME TO US ACTUALLY JUST ASKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WOULD WE HAVE. SO WE STEERED THEM TOWARDS SOME, SOME DEVICES THAT ARE REALLY COMPATIBLE WITH OUR GUYS DEVICES AS THEY SHOW UP. SO, I MEAN, ALL THE SCHOOLS HAVE 'EM AS WELL. THE STADIUMS HAVE THEM WHEN, WHEN GAMES ARE ACTIVE AND PEOPLE ARE ACTIVE, SO VENUES HAVE THEM. YEP. YEP. WELL, THERE'S TWO AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER AND ONE FRONT AND ONE BACK, SO YES, MA'AM. OKAY, GREAT. ALSO ANY RESIDENTIAL LIKE GROUP HOMES FOR PEOPLE WITH DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES REQUIRED, SO FOR SURE THAT OR MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES REQUIRE 'EM AS WELL. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. THANKS JOHN. APPRECIATE THAT. YEP, GREAT INFORMATION. OKAY, NEXT IS [ Parks And Recreation Board Update] ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS A PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD UPDATE WHEN WE HAVE QUARTERLY UPDATES FROM OUR BOARDS TO KIND OF CYCLE THROUGH. UM, SO THIS EVENING IT'S, UH, PARKS AND REC IS UP. YES. SO WE HAVE ALEX BLACK, WHO'S THE CHAIR OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD HERE TO GIVE THE UPDATE THIS EVENING. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. AND UH, I WILL DEFINITELY TRY AND KEEP THIS QUICK. UM, I'M GONNA JUST, UH, GIVE IT TO US THOUGH. GIVE IT TO US, SIR. ALEX, BLACK CHAIR OF THE BOARD, UH, SISTER, OUR LAST MEETING, UH, THE BOARD WAS INVOLVED IN ASSISTING DEPARTMENT MANAGER, UH, REVIEWING THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, CIP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE CITY. AND, UM, WE CONCURRED WITH THE RECOMMENDATION. WE HAD MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT. WE ALSO ASSIST HER IN REVIEWING THE RFP PRIOR TO IT BEING RELEASED AND THE PROPOSALS ONCE SHE RECEIVED THOSE PROPOSALS. AND, UM, WE TOOK THE INITIAL TO IDENTIFY THE METRICS SO THAT WE COULD COMPARE ALL SIX PROPOSALS. SO WE ALL BE LOOKING AT THE SAME THING. MM-HMM. . AND SO, UM, THAT WENT VERY WELL. WE ALSO HAD ANOTHER PICKUP BALL TOURNAMENT SINCE WE MET IN, IN JULY. AND, UM, SO NOW NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO TOURNAMENTS EVERY YEAR THAT AS TO BECOME, EVERYBODY KEEP TELLING ME WE NEED TO HAVE MORE. I SAID, WELL, I WAS TOLD IT LIMITED TO TWO RIGHT NOW. AND SO WE'RE GONNA STICK WITH TWO. AND WE ALSO ASSIST, UH, THE PARK MANAGER THERE WITH THE, UH, TRUNK OR TREE HALLOWEEN CELEBRATION AT THE, UH, AT THE Y IN OCTOBER. ALSO, I WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THE BOARD MEMBERSHIP RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NINE MEMBERS, SO ALL POSITION OF PHIL. AND, UM, WE HAVE ONE HONORARY MEMBER THAT'S A STUDENT FROM THE HUBER HEIGHTS WHO WAS IN SCHOOL WORKING WITH US. A YOUNG MAN NAMED ME CHRISTOPHER MOORE. AND, UM, HE'S BEEN WITH US, I THINK SINCE, UH, THIS BEING SINCE SEPTEMBER. AND I WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, OUR PROPOSED ACTIVITIES FOR 2025, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE TREE GIVEAWAY AGAIN. THAT WAS IN THE SPRING OF THE YEAR. THERE, THE TWO PICKUP BALL TOURNAMENTS, THE LIVE MERRIMACK, THE CONCERT, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MUSICFEST [00:15:01] BASIC AND THE TRUNK OR TREAT AGAIN. AND ALSO WE WANT TO DO SOME, WE WANTED TO ADD IN A DIS GOLF TOURNAMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. ALL WE WANT TO LOOK AT DURING A YOUTH VOLLEYBALL BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT OUTDOORS, WE TRIED THAT LAST YEAR TRYING TO DO IT WITH THE VANDALIA REC CENTER, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK. SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT AGAIN. SEE, WE CAN DO THAT AT THE PARK ON THE WEEKEND, OF COURSE. AND MAINLY FOR THE YOUNGER CHILDREN, I DON'T MEAN THE TEENAGERS. I'M TALKING ABOUT THOSE PROBABLY 15 AND UNDER. AND TRY AND SEE IF THAT WILL WORK. AND, UH, BECAUSE WE TRYING TO FIND A WAY DOWN, WE HAVE TO PICKLEBALL FOR THE OLDER GROUP. WE WANNA DO SOMETHING FOR THE, UH, FOR THOSE IN SCHOOL. AND, UH, THAT'S A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING. AND I'M GOING TO GET OUT OF THE WAY UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? YES, NANCY? UH, ARE WE GONNA DO A TEEN PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT TEAM? WE HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. UH OH AND UH HUH. TEEN. OH, TEEN. TEEN. YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES DO HAVE THEM FOR, FOR TEENAGERS. WELL, UH, BEING A GRANDFATHER MYSELF, I LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TEENAGERS, BUT WHEN YOU TRY TO DO A TOURNAMENT, GETS A LITTLE OUT OF CONTROL. FOR SOME REASON, PICKLEBALL IS ONE OF THOSE EVENTS. WE TRY TO THE Y AND IT DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL WHEN YOU HAVE JUST TEAMS. WE TRY TO LIMIT THOSE TOURNAMENTS TO 18 AND OVER. THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE CONTROLLED. AND SO RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DO A TEAM PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT. I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU, . I'M NOT SAYING IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, BUT JUST RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T SEEM TO THINK THAT WILL WORK. OKAY, THANK YOU. YEAH, SO I WOULD JUST SAY I'M IN A NEW ROLE THIS YEAR, AND I TEACH MIDDLE SCHOOL HALF THE DAY THIS YEAR. I WORK WITH SIXTH, SEVENTH, AND EIGHTH GRADERS, AND I'M NOT SURE I WOULD WANT TO PARTICIPATE. . YEAH, I, YEAH. . NO, I LOVE THEM ALL DEARLY, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'D WANNA SEE 'EM IN A PICKLE. I AGREE WITH YOU. I BETTER ON THAT ONE. THAT'S A GOOD ONE. . ARE THERE ANY OTHER EQUIP BEFORE I SIT THERE? THANK YOU, ALEX. THANK YOU. YEP. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. HEY, YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY. ALL RIGHT, DAN. OKAY, SIR. HEY, NEXT UP IS I'M [ Thomas Cloud Park Improvements - Design Work - Award Contract] THREE C, WHICH IS THE THOMAS CLOUD PARK IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS, UH, FOR THE DESIGN WORK AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THIS. SO SARAH, WELCOME. I GUESS I COULD HAVE STAYED SEATED. , THERE'S A MIC OVER THERE. BUT, UM, I AM BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY TALKING ABOUT THE CLOUD PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND THE RFP THAT WE PUT OUT. UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE HAVE, AS ALEX DISCUSSED, GONE THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE WE COMPARED ALL SIX OF OUR RFP SUBMISSIONS. AND I THINK WE HAVE A WONDERFUL FIRM HERE TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES TO YOU. UM, THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE PROCESS, THEY'VE REALLY DEMONSTRATED A SUPERIOR LEVEL OF QUALITY IN THEIR PREVIOUS PARKS. AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT, UM, KIND OF THAT SOUTHERN GATEWAY TO THE CITY AND THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WANT TO MAKE TO MIRROR THE, ALL OF THE BEAUTIFUL WORK THAT'S HAPPENED ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE CITY, UM, I THINK THAT THEIR TRACK RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. UM, SO I WILL LEAVE IT TO THEM TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES WITH A BRIEF PRESENTATION. UM, AND AMY BENETTI IS, UH, GOING TO BE OUR PROJECT LEAD AND I'LL LET HER INTRODUCE OUR COLLEAGUES HERE. BUT WITH MSA DESIGN, THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY WE'VE PUT A LOT OF TRUST IN SARAH, SO SHE LIKES YOU. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN A FUN PROCESS SO FAR, . UM, SO WE'LL ALL INTRODUCE OURSELVES, BUT YOU HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM MSA SPORT, ALSO KNOWN AS MSA DESIGN, UM, AND THE KLEINER GROUP. I'M AMY BENETTI WITH MSA, HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS, UM, PRINCIPAL AND ON THE ARCHITECTURE SIDE, I'M AMBER WALINSKI. I AM AN ASSOCIATE AT MSA, I'VE BEEN WITH MSA FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS. UM, AND I'M FROM VANDALIA, SO JUST RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, I'LL BE, MY FAMILY LIVES IN VANDALIA, SO I'LL BE UP HERE NEXT WEEK FOR THANKSGIVING AGAIN. UM, AND I, THIS PARK IS DEAR TO MY HEART TOO, BECAUSE I PLAYED SOCCER HERE. GROWING UP, I WAS ON THE WARRIOR SOCCER CLUB, SO JUST REALLY EXCITED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. MY NAME IS LEN SITZ. I'M WITH THE KLEINER GROUP, AND WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 30 YEARS IN THE DAYTON AREA AND CINCINNATI AREA. AND AS AMBER SAID, I'M FROM TIP CITY, WHICH IS RIGHT UP THE ROAD. SO IT'S NEAT TO BE CLOSER TO HOME. AND MY FAMILY STILL LIVES THERE TOO. AND I'LL BE UP NEXT WEEK. ANYWAY, UM, WE DO LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE AND CIVIL ENGINEERING, AND, UM, HAPPY AND EXCITED TO WORK WITH YOU. AND THIS TEAM WOULD NOT BE COMPLETE. AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S VARIOUS PER PIZZAS AND PARTS TO THIS PROJECT. SO WE ARE THE KEY KIND OF TEAM PLAYERS, ESPECIALLY IN THE INITIAL PHASE. BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, CMTA FOR THE MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING AND ENGINEERING. UM, WE HAVE SCHAFFER FOR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING, AND WE HAVE WATER TECHNOLOGY FOR THE ACTUAL, [00:20:01] UM, SPLASH PAD KIND OF DESIGN AND ENGINEERING COMPONENT TO THAT. UM, NSA JUST VERY QUICK, WE ARE GOING ON OUR 40TH ANNIVERSARY NEXT YEAR, UM, AND WE DESIGN THESE PUBLIC SPACES IN THESE PARKS, AND THIS IS WHAT WE ALL ENJOY DOING. UM, I'M NOT FROM UP HERE, BUT I LIVE IN MADE, AND NOW WE JUST AS THIS TEAM HERE COMPLETED THE MCDONALD COMMONS PARK. UM, AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, STARTING BACK DURING COVI, THEY SAT WITH US, THEY HAD A VISION AND WE DID A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT. AND, UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE YET, WE'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LITTLE TRIP DOWN, UM, TO SEE WHAT THE PARK LOOKS LIKE TODAY. WE JUST FOUND OUT FROM, UM, OHIO PARKSTON RECREATION THAT IT WON AN AWARD. IT'S SECOND PLACE AWARDS. SO WE'RE PRETTY PROUD OF THAT PROJECT. UM, WE CAN GUARANTEE YOU AT MSA, WE ARE, WE DESIGN FOR EXCEPTIONAL PEOPLE INSPIRED EXPERIENCES AND ENDURING IMPACT, BECAUSE WE DO SEE THIS AS BEING SOMETHING THAT'S HERE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. UM, THE BIG THING THAT WE ALWAYS LIKE TO DO IS CREATE THESE RELATIONSHIPS AND PARTNERSHIPS. WE'RE HERE FOR YOU GUYS. WE'RE HERE AND WE'RE NOT LEAVING. UM, YOU'LL SEE WE'VE JUST GOT SOME SNAPSHOTS OF SOME OF OUR PARTNERS UP HERE. MANY OF THESE FOLKS WE'VE WORKED WITH FOR 5, 10, 15 YEARS. UM, AND SOMETIMES IT STARTS AS A STUDY, AND IT MAY BE FIVE YEARS LATER, 10 YEARS LATER, THEY CALL US UP, WE'RE READY TO EXECUTE IT. SO, UM, BY ALL MEANS, THAT'S JUST, JUST SO YOU KNOW, NOTHING IS TOO LARGE OR SMALL FOR THE TEAM. HI. AND, AND AS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, AND WE LOVE TO DESIGN PARKS, AND REALLY, A PARK IS REALLY A PLACE TO BUILD COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, SO WE WANNA, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO WORK WITH YOU, TO REALLY BUILD THE COMMUNITY WITH THE PARK. UM, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO CREATE A DESTINATION SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN COME TOGETHER, UM, IN THE SAME SPACE AND REALLY ENJOY EACH OTHER'S COMPANY. UM, UH, I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION, UM, AS JUST PAST EXPERIENCE, I'M SURE YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH RIVERFRONT PARK IN MIAMISBURG. UM, IT JUST WAS COMPLETED THIS PAST YEAR, SO WE WORKED ON THE DESIGN WITH MIAMISBURG ON THAT AND HAD, YOU KNOW, WORKED WITH THE COUNCIL AND STAFF AND HAD GREAT COMMUNITY INPUT OF, UM, WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT REALLY HAS REALLY BUILT COMMUNITY THERE FOR MIAMISBURG. UM, SO YEAH, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, PLEASE DO GO CHECK THAT OUT. IT'S A WONDERFUL SPACE. BUT, UM, YEAH, WORKING TOGETHER TO REALLY CREATE A SPACE FOR COMMUNITY OF, OF FOLKS FOR ALL AGES TO COME TOGETHER. UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, WHERE'S THE, OH, THANK YOU, UH, REGARDING THE AQUATICS, UM, AQUATICS IS, UM, IS SPLASH PAD. WE KNOW THAT YOU WANNA UPGRADE YOUR SPLASH PAD, SO WE'RE EXCITED AGAIN TO WORK WITH YOU TO CREATE A WONDERFUL SPLASH PAD SPACE FOR YOU ALL. UM, WE, FROM OUR PRIOR EXPERIENCE, WE'VE WORKED WITH ON CASEY JANE PARK IN SPRINGBORO, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THAT, IT'S PROBABLY CLOSED DOWN NOW FOR THE YEAR. BUT DEFINITELY, I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY WORTH A TRIP TO GO TO. UM, THAT HAS REALLY BROUGHT PEOPLE ALL OVER TOWN, UM, A REGION, I SHOULD SAY, TO COME TO THAT SPLASH PAD. UM, THINGS WE THINK ABOUT WHEN WE DESIGN SPLASH PADS ARE THEMING. THAT'S THE, UM, DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, SPLASH EQUIPMENT THAT'S THERE. UM, WE THINK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SMALLER KIDS, YOU'VE GOT BIGGER KIDS, BUT THEN SOME, UH, FAMILIES WANT TO PLAY TOGETHER. SO DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE SPLASH PAD AND WHAT IS IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF FEATURES ARE THERE. SO WE'RE, UM, WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT WITH YOU. UM, ALSO WITH THEMING ARE, YOU KNOW, IS IT A PALM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PALM TREE UP THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE TYPE OF, THE THEME OF THE SPLASH PAD THAT ALSO GOES WITH DIFFERENT COLORS? WHAT ARE THE COLORS, UM, THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IN THE SPLASH PAD? SO LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ON THAT. UM, AND THEN REGARDING, THANK YOU, UH, RECREATION. SO AS LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS AND CIVIL ENGINEERS, WE ALSO DO A LOT OF SPORTS FIELDS AND, UH, DIFFERENT SPORTS DESIGNS. SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, WITH YOU TO, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT THE ATHLETICS AND REVIEW THE EXISTING AND SEE HOW WE CAN, UM, IMPROVE UPON IT AND SEE WHAT KIND OF THINGS YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, PURSUING THERE IN THE RECREATION AREA. UM, LET'S SEE, REGARDING PLACEMAKING, YOU KNOW, WE, SOMEBODY SET IT UP HERE ON THE BOARD ABOUT, IT'S A GATEWAY INTO THE CITY, AND THERE'S DIFFERENT, MULTIPLE PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR, UM, WAYS TO GET INTO THE PARK. SO DEFINITELY BE WANTING TO LOOK AT PLACEMAKING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PARK, HOW TO GET THERE, UM, AND REALLY CREATE A UNIFIED DESIGN. UM, THAT, AGAIN, IT ALL COMES BACK TO BUILDING COMMUNITY AND REALLY CREATING A SPACE FOR EVERYONE, UM, THAT THEY REALLY ARE, HAVE PRIDE IN FOR THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU WILL. AND PLACEMAKING'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, UH, THAT WILL REALLY LOOK INTO CLOSELY. [00:25:02] SO THEN, JUST TO GIVE A VERY BRIEF NEXT STEPS, AND THIS IS HARD TO READ, SO I KNOW IT'S SHARED ON THE WEBSITE, BUT, UM, THE INITIAL PROCESS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT AND WE FEEL WE'VE SUGGESTED IS TO TAKE A QUICK TIME AND DO A MASTER PLAN. JUST DO A HIGH LEVEL SNAPSHOT, LOOK AT THE PARK, LOOK HOW IT'S BEING UTILIZED. NOW YOU GUYS HAVE SHARED ENGAGEMENT GROUPS TO ENGAGE WITH. SO THAT WOULD BE THIS FIRST INITIAL STEP BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HELPING YOU ALL THROUGH THIS PROCESS, MAKE THIS A PARK FOR ALL AGES AND FOR ALL DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES. 'CAUSE THINGS CHANGE. YOU GUYS ARE HIGHLIGHTING PICKLEBALL THAT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN AROUND, YOU KNOW, TENNIS COURTS WERE THERE. SO THINKING THROUGH THE WHAT IFS IN THE FUTURE. SO IN THAT MASTER PLANNING STAGE, THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE DOING. WE'D BE LOOKING ALSO JUST AT YOUR SITE IN GENERAL, AND SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES AND POSSIBLE CHALLENGES. UM, AND THEN WE DIVE REALLY INTO THE PROCESS OF THE DESIGN AND DOCUMENTATION. SO THE REALLY EXCITING THING ABOUT CLOUD PARK IS THAT IT IS BOTH A COMMUNITY PARK AND A REGIONAL PARK. AND SO WE'LL RUN THROUGH SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE SEE WITH THE PARK, UM, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES. THIS FIRST ONE, REFLECTION OF COMMUNITY. WE REALLY WANT IT TO BE A PLACE THAT REFLECTS THE IDENTITY OF THE COMMUNITY FOR BOTH THE RESIDENTS HERE, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO WORK AND PLAY HERE, BUT THEN ALSO SHOWCASES THAT IDENTITY TO PEOPLE WHO MAY BE VISITING FROM OUTSIDE HEBREW HEIGHTS. AND THEN CONSIDERING GATHERING PLACES WITHIN THE PARK, LOOKING AT BOTH SMALL AND LARGE GATHERING PLACES, BOTH FORMAL AND INFORMAL. SO ANYTHING FROM A SMALL PLACE THAT COULD BE OFF OF A PATHWAY WITH A BENCH AND A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO SIT AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A FRIEND TO A PLACE. LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN THE RFP THERE WAS, UM, SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT AN AMPHITHEATER. SO PLACES FOR PERFORMANCES OR EVENTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT THE PARK IS USER FRIENDLY. SO EVERYTHING FROM A DA AND ACCESSIBILITY TO THE WAY FINDING AND SOME OF THE PLACE MAKING THAT LYNN WAS TALKING ABOUT. JUST MAKING IT A PLACE THAT WHERE PEOPLE FEEL ORIENTED, THEY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT. UM, IT'S A SPACE FOR EVERYONE. FUTURE FLEXIBILITY, INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT PARK DESIGN. SO IDENTIFYING THOSE ELEMENTS EARLY ON THAT ARE MORE LONG LASTING, DURABLE, WILL BE THERE FOR GENERATIONS. AND THEN ALSO SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR, AS TRENDS CHANGE OR AS NEW THINGS COME OUT, IT ALLOWS YOU TO SWITCH OUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS AT A LOWER COST. SO THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE IMAGE HERE. THIS IS SUMMIT PARK IN BLUE ASH, OHIO, UM, THAT WE HAVE WORKED ON. AND SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE WALL THERE, THAT'S A MORE PERMANENT FIXTURE. IT HAS A REALLY NICE BEAUTIFUL STONE THAT'S GONNA BE DURABLE AND LONG LASTING. AND THEN SOME OF THE PLAYGROUND ELEMENTS WITH THE MOUNTING AND NETTING AND SURFACING, THERE'S ALWAYS NEW PRODUCTS COMING OUT AND NEW TRENDS AND DIFFERENT SAFETY PRECAUTIONS. AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN SWITCH OUT MORE EASILY. BUT ALWAYS KIND OF KEEPING THAT, THOSE FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS IN MIND, CREATIVE AND EXCITING. OF COURSE, IDENTIFYING SOME OF THOSE PLACES WITHIN THE PARK WHERE YOU REALLY WANNA HAVE A HIGH IMPACT. OF COURSE, WE WANT THE ENTIRE PARK TO BE ENGAGING, BUT THEN REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE CAN MAXIMIZE RESOURCES IN SOME OF THOSE PLACES WHERE WE WANT TO INSPIRE AWE AND WONDER AND ALLOW SPACES FOR PEOPLE TO REALLY CREATE MEMORIES WITH THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY. DOESN'T WANNA . YEAH. AND THEN ALWAYS CONSIDERING TOO HOW THE PARK CAN BE MAXIMIZED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO REALLY MAKE THIS USE THROUGHOUT EVERY SINGLE SEASON. SO WHETHER IT'S SPORTS IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER AND FALL, OR THE SPLASH PAD IN THE SUMMER, UM, YOU KNOW, WALKING PATHS THROUGHOUT THE WINTER, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THERE TOO. AND THEN I MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A DA AND ACCESSIBILITY, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A PLACE FOR EVERYONE FROM VERY SMALL KIDS TO GRANDPARENTS. AND SO HOW DO WE ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE AGES AND PEOPLE IN BETWEEN, WHETHER IT'S FAMILIES, TEENS, UM, AND THEN ALWAYS TOO, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT DESIGN, RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE OUR PASSION LIES. BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S REALLY INTERTWINED WITH THE PROJECT BEING FEASIBLE AND BUDGET RESPONSIVE. SO THIS IS MCDONALD COMMONS THAT AMY HAD MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO IN THE BACKGROUND HERE. AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE COMMUNITY BUILDING, AND THEN THERE'S SOME ATHLETIC FIELDS IN THE BACKGROUND, WHICH WERE A HUGE PART OF THAT PARK. UM, AND SO UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE THINGS CAN HAVE DIFFERENT TIMELINES. SO WE HAD PHASED THAT PROJECT SO THAT THE FIELDS COULD BE WORKED ON FIRST, AND THEN SOME OF THE BUILDING ELEMENTS CAME THROUGH LATER. UM, AND THEN THAT HELPS TOO WITH KEEPING THE PARK AS USABLE AS POSSIBLE THROUGHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PLACES LIKE THE SPLASH PAD OR THE ATHLETIC FIELDS DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO MISS A SEASON OR AT THE WORST THEY MISS ONE SEASON. UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN START THOSE FIRST AND THEN FILL IN WITH SOME OF THE AREAS LATER. BUT KEEPING THE PARK AS OPERATIONAL AS POSSIBLE THROUGHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. UM, AND THEN BEING BUDGET RESPONSIVE AS WELL. THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE'RE WORKING WITH A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER OR THIS IS BID OUT. UM, [00:30:01] MCDONALD COMMONS IN THIS INSTANCE WAS A POST COVID PROJECT, SO WE'RE REALLY USED TO WORKING WITH, WHETHER IT'S MARKET VOLATILITY OR THE BUDGETS COME IN HIGHER THAN EXPECTED, OR THERE'S A CHANGE IN SOME OF THE FUNDING OR GRANTS. UM, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT DESIGN, WE'RE ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT THAT DESIGN BEING A REALLY TIGHT FRAMEWORK SO THAT AS THINGS CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, YOU STILL ARE ABLE TO MEET THOSE CORE GOALS THAT YOU'RE AIMED AFTER. THAT'S US. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS PROCESS AND APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BRINGING US HERE. AND ALL THE TIME YOU'VE SPENT BETTING THE, UM, ALL THE VARIOUS SUBMISSIONS THROUGH THIS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, I'LL JUST SAY, YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR COMING. I MEAN, UM, IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION INTRODUCING WHO YOU WERE AND I THINK, UM, SO BEFORE WE GO FROM HERE, SO I THINK, SO WHAT, SO I THINK SARAH NEEDS TO SPEAK TO THE ACTUAL LEGISLATION. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, SO WHAT IS THE ASK? SO I GUESS WE'LL GET HERE TO THAT POINT NOW. UM, YES. SO IN YOUR PACKET YOU WILL SEE, UM, LEGISLATION TO AWARD THE RFP. WE'RE ASKING FOR $670,000 AS THE NOT TO EXCEED LIMIT. UM, AND THAT IS BASED LOOKING AT AROUND A $7 MILLION PARK IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN TOTAL. SHOULD WE DECIDE TO DO LESS PHASES, UM, OR MORE PHASES, UM, AS THEY DEMONSTRATED, THEN THE MONEY WOULD GO UP OR DOWN PENDING THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR TERRY? YES, KATE. THANK YOU MAYOR. SARAH, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE TIMELINE? UM, YES. SO WE, UM, HAVE COME TO COUNCIL ABOUT A MONTH LATER THAN I ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO. SO, UM, IN THE ORIGINAL RFP SUBMISSION, IF WE HAD HIT IT MORE LAST MONTH IN OCTOBER, THEN IT WOULD'VE, WE COULD'VE GONE WITH, UM, BID PAPERS FOR CONSTRUCTION IN MAY. SO NOW I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE JUNE OR JULY. UM, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT MORE AS WELL. BUT, UM, THAT WAS, UH, THE QUICKEST THAT ANY FIRM WAS ABLE, UM, TO COMMIT TO DOCUMENTS FOR CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS WILL HAVE ITS OWN TIMELINE. DO YOU THINK THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS WOULD BE ABOUT A YEAR, IS I THINK, AGAIN, PENDING ONCE IT STARTS ABOUT A YEAR, WHAT WE, WHAT LEVEL WE DO. SO THINKING OF THAT INITIAL $7 MILLION PARK PROJECT, I WOULD SAY YES. A YEAR YEP. FOR I YEAR POSSIBLE. I THINK ONCE IT'S AGREED YEP. ONCE WE'VE AWARDED THE CONSTRUCTION, YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YES, NANCY. UH, JUST, JUST TO COMMENT, SARAH, THANK YOU, UH, FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS AND, UH, I KNOW GOING THROUGH THE MULTIPLE PROPOSALS, BUT THIS IS EXCITING, THIS IS VERY EXCITING, AND WE'RE GLAD TO SEE IT COMING TO FRUITION. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? YES, DON. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, YEAH, JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT NANCY SAID, UH, A FEW MONTHS AGO, COUNSEL GAVE YOU SOME DIRECTION AS TO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPENING AT TOM CLOUD. AND THE ONLY THING THAT'S COMING TO MIND RIGHT NOW IS, UH, SARAH ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTOOD THE ASSIGNMENT. UM, PHENOMENAL JOB. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE WORK THAT MSA DOES. UM, YOU COULDN'T HAVE PICKED A BETTER FIRM TO, UH, WORK WITH THE CITY. AND AGAIN, UH, JUST OUTSTANDING HOW YOU TOOK THIS AND, UH, GRABBED A HOLD OF IT AND, UH, MOVED IT FORWARD LIKE THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS, DON. ANYTHING ELSE? YES, MARK? YEAH, MAYOR. UM, JUST REFLECTING BACK ON THE PAST, I KNOW IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT AT TIMES FOR YOU TO ILLUSTRATE OR CONVINCE PEOPLE OF OUR VISION, BUT, UH, SOMETIMES SARAH, YOUR PROJECT HERE, UH, HAS COME OUT OF A LOT OF HARD WORK AND A LOT OF WORK THAT'S OCCURRED NORTH BER HEIGHTS. AND WE HAD TALKED ORIGINALLY ABOUT THAT WORK BEING A GROWTH ENGINE FOR SOUTHERN HUBER HEIGHTS. AND I AGREE WITH DON, YOU'VE REALLY TAKEN, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE HAD ENVISIONED, AND YOU'VE TURNED IT INTO A LOT WITH THE EXPERTISE OF THE TEAM THAT YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER. SO NOT ONLY WILL THIS, UH, REWARD, UH, THE FOLKS IN SOUTHERN HUBER HEIGHTS, THE OLDEST PART OF HUBER HEIGHTS, IT'S GONNA BE A CITYWIDE DRAW. MM-HMM. . AND IF I UNDERSTOOD MAYBE A REGIONAL DRAW. MM-HMM. . UM, IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING, UH, ON THE LEVEL OF QUALITY THAT WE'VE DONE UP NORTH. SO ANYONE THAT HAS TRAVELED NORTH OF SHAW ROAD, UH, TO THE CITY LIMITS AND PROJECTS LIKE THE YMCA MM-HMM , THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER, THE EEL BERGER AMPER AMPHITHEATER, AND THEN THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, THAT'S THE LEVEL OF QUALITY WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YES. WITH THIS PROJECT. YES, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK, UM, THE WORK AT SUMMIT PARK I FOUND ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING. UM, AND SO [00:35:01] KNOWING THAT MSA HAS THE ABILITY TO PRODUCE THAT LEVEL OF VISION, I THOUGHT MADE THEM THE PERFECT FIRM FOR THIS PROJECT. YEAH. SO, UH, THIS WILL, ON A LEVEL OF HOME VALUES, JOHN, PROBABLY INCREASE THE HOME VALUES AROUND THAT AREA. MM-HMM. , UH, IT WILL DEFINITELY SECURE THE, UH, ECONOMY IN OUR CITY, AND I THINK IT'LL AFFORD THE CITIZENS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN NEW HEIGHTS AND THE ONES THAT WILL JOIN US IN THE FUTURE. IT'LL AFFORD THEM A LOT OF RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT AND, AND MAKE SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, GOING TO BE MULTI-GENERATIONAL THAT EVERYONE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO USE. SO I'M PROUD SITTING UP HERE SEEING OUR VISION UNFOLD NOW ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SOUTHERN HUB HEIGHTS. SO, UH, MAYBE IT'S BEEN A LITTLE DIFFICULT SHARING THAT VISION AT TIMES, BUT IT'S SURELY COME TOGETHER. UM, AARON, HOW, HOW WILL THIS, UH, HOW WILL THIS AFFECT OUR REDEVELOPMENT, UH, INITIATIVE THAT WE HAVE, UH, UH, STARTED AT FISHBURG AND BRANT PIKE WITH THE MEADOWS? YEP. SO THIS IS REALLY BOOKENDS THE, THE SOUTHERN AREA OF THAT REDEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE STARTED. SO YOU THINK ABOUT GOING FROM SOUTH TO NORTH, WE'VE GOT CLOUD PARK, WE GO TO THE, TO THE AREA OF THE MIDDLE OF BRANT AND FISHBURG, AND THEN AS WE HEAD NORTH. SO THIS, UH, THIS FURTHER, UM, ELEVATES AND, AND ENHANCES ALL OF THAT WORK THAT WE'VE STARTED AT BRANT AND FISHBURG. AND I THINK REALLY STARTS TO THEN ALLOW US TO FILL IN THE GAP THEN BETWEEN FISHBURG AND, AND THE SOUTHERN, UM, UH, CORP LINE AT, UH, BRANT AND, AND THE CITY. AND THIS COULD BE A NATURAL FILLER, A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT'LL OCCUR. AND THEN, UH, IF WE THINK ABOUT A REGIONAL DRAW, THOMAS CLOUD PARK, IF MY MEMORY SERVES, UM, DRAWS MORE, UH, VISITORS THAN RIVERSCAPE. SO IT CERTAINLY IS A, A WELL UTILIZED ASSET. AND, AND MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST FOR ANOTHER MINUTE. SURE. SO, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT PROJECTS LIKE THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER IN THE COMPLIMENT THAT STEWART AND MIMI ROSE MADE BY DONATING $4 MILLION TO THE CITY, UH, THERE MIGHT BE SOME NAMING RIGHT POTENTIAL TO THIS PARK. ABSOLUTELY. SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, WHAT I CONSIDER THE CENTERPIECE PARKS SUMMIT BEING ONE OF THEM, MANY OF THE, THOSE ELEMENTS WITHIN THE, THE PARKS HAVE NAMING RIGHTS OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL AS GIVEN ITS LOCATION, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXTERNAL GRANTS, JUST IN AN EFFORT TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED AT THE MEADOWS. AND THAT IS UNDERWRITING THE PROJECT SO IT DOESN'T COST THE TAXPAYERS ANYTHING. RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. AND, UH, IN REGARD TO THOMAS CLOUD PARK, WOULD WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THE 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS AND FESTIVITIES THERE? I THAT'S FOR ANYONE, SARAH, OR, YEAH. UM, YES. SO I WOULD SEE IT AS REALLY OUR PRIME PARK FOR OUR EXTREMELY LARGE EVENTS, WHICH AS WE KNOW, UM, DURING FIREWORKS, WE DRAW ALMOST 20,000 PEOPLE, UM, TO THE AREA. SO, UM, IT IS OUR PRIME PARK FOR THOSE LARGE SCALE EVENTS. AND ALTHOUGH OUR TIMING IS A PERFECT, ALWAYS, I THINK THE TIMING OF NANCY'S SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF THOMAS CLOUD IS PROBABLY PERFECT. MM-HMM. . SO, THANKS, NANCY. THANK YOU. YEAH, I, I COULD BE MORE PROUD REPRESENTING THAT AREA AND SEEING THE INVESTMENT THAT'S BEING MADE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, I JUST WANNA ADD, I THINK, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK, YOU KNOW, $7 MILLION IN PEOPLE MAY BE LISTENING AT HOME OR THINKING THAT'S, I MEAN, A, A LARGE INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM A PARK PERSPECTIVE. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR MINDS UP TO WHAT REALLY THAT MEANS ON A, ON A LARGER SCALE. AND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE ALL WANT TO DO, AND THAT IS DRIVE INDUSTRY TO COME TO KEEPER HEIGHTS. WE WANNA DRIVE BUSINESS HERE THAT HAVE, UM, WELL PAYING JOBS. UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ALL OF US THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, UH, DEEMED A BEDROOM COMMUNITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, BUT GO WORK SOMEPLACE ELSE. WE WANNA DRAW THOSE INDUSTRY AND THOSE BUSINESSES HERE. AND, BUT WHAT WE ALSO KNOW IS THAT THOSE SITE SELECTORS WHO START LOOKING FOR THE PLACES THAT THEY WANT TO MOVE THEIR INDUSTRY TO, ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS THEY LOOK AT IS OUTSIDE OF WHAT IS THE EDUCATION AND CAPABILITY LEVEL OF THE WORKFORCE THAT'S IN THAT COMMUNITY? WE WANNA MOVE TO WHAT IS THE QUALITY OF LIFE GOING TO BE FOR MY EMPLOYEES IF I MOVE MY COMPANY THERE OR IF I OPEN MY BUSINESS THERE? SO $7 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU LOOK AT WHAT THAT INVESTMENT CAN DO FOR PROGRESS AND SUSTAINABILITY [00:40:01] OF THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO LARGER SCALE INVESTMENT OF INDUSTRY AND BUSINESS, THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE KEY THAT MAKES ALL OF THIS WORK. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US. AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO THINK ABOUT THIS ON A, ON A BIGGER SCALE. ALL THE ARTICLES THAT YOU READ WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BUSINESSES AND WHERE THEY MOVE AND WHAT THEY DO AND WHY THEY GO WHERE THEY GO, THEY WANNA KNOW, DO I HAVE AN EDUCATED WORKFORCE THAT CAN DO THE JOB? AND WHAT'S THE QUALITY OF LIFE GONNA BE FOR MY EMPLOYEES WHEN I MOVE THERE? AND IF WE DON'T HAVE AN EDUCATED WORKFORCE THAT CAN DO THE JOB, THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME. AND WE COULD HAVE AS EDUCATED OF A WORKFORCE AS WE COULD HAVE, BUT IF THEY GOT NOTHING TO DO TO IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME. SO THOSE TWO THINGS HAVE TO GO HAND IN HAND. AND THIS IS A KEY PIECE OF THAT, ESPECIALLY FROM A REGIONAL DRAW PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO I DIDN'T WANNA MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THAT PIECE OF THIS WITH THAT INVESTMENT DOLLAR THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I THINK THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. I NEED, CAN I ADD, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS POSSIBLE. SOMEBODY MADE A COMMENT ON FACEBOOK TODAY AND I THOUGHT, THIS IS BRILLIANT. CAN THERE BE A PLAY AREA THAT IS KIND OF FENCED IN FOR CHILDREN WITH AUTISM THAT IT KIND OF KEEPS 'EM MORE CORRALLED? UM, I HATE TO PUT IT THAT WAY, BUT SAFER BECAUSE OUR PARKS ARE BY MAJOR ROADS AND STUFF LIKE THAT FOR THEM TO GET OUT ON. SOMEBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT PARK, THEY WON'T TAKE THEIR AUTISM CHILD WITH AUTISM JUST BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO A ROADWAY THAT THEY COULD ESCAPE OUT. WELL, IT'S THE SAME WAY WITH CLOUD PARK BECAUSE OF BRANT PIKE AND NEED MORE. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT FEATURE THAT WE HAD SOME AREA THAT WOULD ALLOW PARENTS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT SAYING THAT THEY WOULDN'T JUMP THE FENCE, BUT IT TAKES A LONGER TIME TO SCALE A FENCE TO JUMP IT. I THINK THAT WOULD JUST MAKE A FEATURE THAT WOULD BE A LOT SAFER FOR INDIVIDUALS, ESPECIALLY WHEN RIGHT PATH, WE'RE ONE OF THE TOP THREE, THIS RIGHT PATH IS ONE OF THE TOP THREE AREAS IF YOU HAVE A CHILD WITH A DISABILITY THAT THEY SEND PEOPLE TO. SO WE GET A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS AROUND THAT HAVE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES, AND I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE A NICE FEATURE, ESPECIALLY RIGHT THERE. AND SO I THINK JUST REAL, I THINK, SO WHEN YOU HAD FIRST KIND OF STARTED, UH, TALKING, WAS IT, IS IT AMY IS, YEAH. SO WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED TALKING, YOU MENTIONED, I THINK THAT YOU, DO YOU DESIGN FOR EXCEPTIONAL PEOPLE AND UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM SPECIAL EDUCATION BACKGROUND, IF THAT'S KIND OF THE LINE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AMONGST EXCEPTIONAL PEOPLE WOULD BE SOME PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. SO RIGHT. I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S A BIG PIECE OF WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT YOU LOOK AT WHEN YOU START PLANNING FOR THIS. MM-HMM. AND WE'LL ALSO YOU GUYS ARE HITTING ON IT YOUR VARIOUS OTHER LOCATIONS. WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TO KIND OF TAKE AN INVENTORY OF WHAT YOU HAVE EVERYWHERE AND LOOKING AT, SO YOU'RE NOT DUPLICATING THINGS THAT'S A NEED. AND LOOKING AT WHERE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN ANY OF YOUR OTHER PLACES, THEN LET'S LOOK FOR IT HERE SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGE MAKE THIS THE LARGE VENUE. THIS IS LIKE THE PREMIER PLACE FOR LARGE EVENTS. SO UNDERSTANDING ITS UNIQUENESSES. AND SO ALL OF THESE PIECES AND PARTS WOULD COME INTO THAT, UM, ANALYSIS. SO THAT'S A GREAT, THAT'S A GREAT OBSERVATION. DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AND INCLUDED HERE. THANK YOU. GREAT POINT. THANKS, JEFF. NANCY? YEAH. UM, SEVERAL YEARS BACK WHEN WE WERE PUTTING IN THE INCLUSIVE, UH, PARK AT CLOUD, THERE WAS THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE COULD PUT IN A, UH, WHEELCHAIR SWING. MM-HMM. BECAUSE, UH, UH, THE UNITED REHABILITATION SERVICES HAS ONE THERE. MM-HMM. . AND, UH, WE LEARNED AT THAT POINT THAT WE COULDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT HAD TO BE ENCLOSED AND IT HAD TO BE MANNED 24, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME BEFORE OUT THERE IT HAD TO BE MM-HMM. SUPERVISED ALL THE TIME. RIGHT. SO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT PREVIOUSLY OR AWARE OF THE CURRENT RULES OR, YEAH, AND I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS, AND I KNOW LYNN COULD SPEAK TO THIS MORE, BUT THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO ACHIEVE EQUITY IN PLAY EQUIPMENT, UM, THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE 24 HOUR SUPERVISION OR A LOCK AND KEY WHERE YOU'VE GOTTA COME TO CITY HALL AND GRAB IT. YOU KNOW, I WOULD ACTUALLY, UM, ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO DOWN TO SPRINGBORO AND GO LOOK AT NORTH PARK. WE JUST DESIGNED A NEW PLAYGROUND FOR THEM, UM, AT NORTH PARK, AND IT IS ALL INCLUSIVE AND THERE'S SOME NEAT THINGS THERE. GO LOOK AT THE SWINGS, UH, SPECIFICALLY THERE. UM, IT'S, IT'S FOR KIDS WITH DISABILITIES, UM, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE BANNED ALL THE TIME. AND THERE'S OTHER DIFFERENT FEATURES THERE. AND IT'S FENCED IN. I MEAN, UM, TO YOUR POINT FOR THE SAFETY, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE COME TALK TO YOU ABOUT PLAYGROUND AND THINGS TO IMPROVE, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT ALL THESE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT DEFINITELY IF YOU'RE IN SPRINGBORO, GO TO NORTH PARK. IT'S AMAZING THAT PLAYGROUND. IT JUST GOT FINISHED THIS YEAR AS WELL IN ABOUT MAY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS FOR ALL TYPES OF DISABILITIES. THERE'S A LOT OF HANDICAP RAMPS TOO. BUT, UM, THERE'S THINGS TO DO, UH, FOR ALL THE CHILDREN TO GET TO, WHETHER YOU'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR, YOU HAVE TROUBLE WALKING. SO IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A NEAT PARK THAT INCORPORATES A LOT, BUT IT'S ALSO [00:45:01] FUN FOR KIDS WHO DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, DISABILITIES, IF YOU WILL. SO IT IS A GREAT, UH, SOMETHING TO LOOK AT THAT'S CLOSE BY. THAT'S GOOD FOR ALL, UM, CHILDREN IN ANY ABILITY. AND, AND THAT FOLLOWS UP WITH WHAT WE, WHAT OUR INTENT WAS IN CLOUD PARK WAS TO MAKE IT INCLUSIVE FOR THE DISABLED CHILDREN AND THEIR SIBLINGS WHO WERE NOT DISABLED. MM-HMM. . YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER SUGGESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE DONE ANYTHING LIKE IT, THAT OWEN'S PLACE, UM, OVER IN BEAVER CREEK, UM, THEY HAVE A LOT OF NATURAL STRUCTURES MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, WITH WOODS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU YEAH. AND THAT'S A PART OF THAT THEMEING CONVERSATION, LIKE THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT THIS IDENTIFIER TO BE FOR THIS PARK OR THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. SO THAT COULD DEFINITELY BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. YEP. THANK YOU. I ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? YES, ANITA, THE OTHER THING IS HAVE YOU GUYS VISITED, UM, I KNOW THIS IS IN TENNESSEE, BUT I WAS JUST SHOWING BRIAN THE PICTURES. UM, LITTLE DEBBIE'S HAS A PARK DOWN WHERE THEY'RE FROM AND IT HAD EQUIPMENT THAT THE PARENTS COULD GET ON WITH THEIR KIDS TO INTERACT WITH. AND IT WAS SO MUCH FUN THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY GET ON LIKE THESE FOUR PEOPLE TEETER TOTTERS WITH OUR CHILD. UH, AND UM, BUT THEN IT ALSO HAD THESE KIND OF SWINGS MM-HMM. THAT WERE HEAVY DUTY SWINGS WITH KIND OF A COVERING THAT IF PARENTS JUST WANTED TO SIT THERE AND WATCH, THEY WERE COMFORTABLE AND THEY WERE SHADED AND IT WAS JUST A REALLY NICE FEATURE. SO YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK UP LITTLE DEBBIE PARK IN TENNESSEE. IT'S JUST, IT HAD SOME REALLY COOL FEATURES TO, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO TAKE FIELD TRIPS. . YEAH. WE, I DON'T SEE US PUTTING THE CHRISTMAS TREE CAKES STRUCTURES IN IT LIKE THEY DO AND THE FUDGE BROWNIE FEATURES TO CLIMB ON. BUT ANYHOW, RIGHT. THEY JUST HAD SOME REALLY NICE FEATURES THAT MADE IT, UM, THAT PARENTS COULD BE INTERACTIVE WITH THEIR KIDS. YEAH, DEFINITELY. DEFINITELY. WELL, AND PROVIDING SHADES OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE. SO YEAH. AND WHEN WE WORK WITH YOU ON THE DESIGN, WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE SOME VISION IMAGERY BOARDS TO KIND OF GET THE CREATIVE JUICES FLOWING AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUT THERE THAT'S DIFFERENT THAT REALLY WOULD CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT, MORE MODERN AND UM, FITS THE NEEDS AS A COMMUNITY. BUT DEFINITELY GO TO NORTH PARK. 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME FUN STUFF DOWN THERE. I SAW PARENTS PLAYING WITH KIDS ON DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. THERE'S TWO LIKE ZIP LINES, SO THE KIDS ARE RACING EACH OTHER THERE. OH, THAT'S COOL. THERE'S A LOT THERE. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO THE, THE NEXT PHASE OF THE PROCESS. . OKAY. SO WE KNOW WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE ASK IS. OR IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS PIECE ONTO MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THIS PIECE ON. NEXT WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO [ Cleaning Consumables/Uniform Rentals - Public Works Division - Solicit Bids] ITEM 3D, WHICH IS THE, UH, CLEANING CONSUMABLES, UNIFORM RENTALS FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION AND SOLICITING THOSE BIDS. UM, YES, MIKE, THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, BASICALLY THIS IS JUST SOME HOUSE CLEANING FINANCIAL ASPECTS FOR, UM, THE UNIFORM SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS. AND SOMETIMES THE REASON WE HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR IT IS THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF IT BEING, UM, SOMETIMES WITH DIFFERENT UNIFORM COMPANIES, THEY, IT INCLUDES CONSUMABLE PRODUCTS AS WELL WITH THAT ASPECT OF THE UNIFORM PROVIDING COMPANY. OKAY. SO WE TRY TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE BEST DEAL FOR WHAT WE CAN WHEN WE LEFT TO BID WHATEVER WE DO, SOMETIMES WE BUY IT IN THE PAST THREE YEARS WE'VE AUDIT OURSELVES. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S ALL KIND OF LEGISLATED TOGETHER LIKE THAT. OKAY. HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AND ANYTHING YOU HAVE, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIKE? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS, UH, ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING TO SOLICIT FOR THE BIDS CASE, SAYING NONE. WE'LL MOVE THAT ON. NEXT UP IS ITEM [ Case RZ 24-21 - Adam Malonjao - Rezoning - 6502 Old Troy Pike ] THREE E, WHICH IS CASE RZ 24 DASH 21. UH, IS ADAM MULLIN, IS THAT CORRECT? FOR REZONING AT 65 0 2 OLD TROY PIKE? YEP. HERE. HI. UH, SO THIS IS A REZONING OF 1.2 ACRES. IT'S, UH, THE, BASICALLY THE BUILDING THAT IS JUST NORTH OF THE, UH, KEY BANK BUILDING AT THE CORNER OF, UH, CHAMBERSBURG AND, UH, OLD TROY PIKE. THE PROPOSED REUSE OF THE BUILDING IS A SALON. UH, PREVIOUSLY WE PROVIDED A, UM, A LOT SPLIT TO PULL OUT THE 1.2 ACRES. SO THIS IS A, A REZONING FROM, UH, LET'S SEE, R UH, FOUR TO B ONE TO FACILITATE THAT, UH, THAT REDEVELOPMENT. THE SITE MEETS ALL OF THE, UH, THE REQUIRED SETBACKS OF THE B ONE DISTRICT. UM, SO THERE WERE, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY, UH, APPROVED THE RECOMMENDATION FOR REZONING. ANY QUESTIONS FOR AARON? YES, KATE, JUST FOR ALL THAT WANNA KNOW, WILL THE BUILDING BE RAISED AND WE START AGAIN? OR WILL THEY REWORK THE BUILDING THAT'S ON SITE? UH, THE, UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, THEY PLAN TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING ON SITE. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YES, ANITA. I'M GONNA SAY THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT IT TO CALL ME, AND I AM REALLY EXCITED FOR THEM. I JUST, HE HAD A [00:50:01] LOT OF ENERGY, WAS EXCITED ABOUT GETTING THIS GOING. I JUST THINK THIS IS A GREAT USE FOR THAT BUILDING. I WOULD AGREE. YEP. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT THE WAY IT SIT FOR FAR TOO LONG. SO I'M EXCITED THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THIS, THIS THINGS LIKE THIS DON'T JUST HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S THE, THE GROWTH IN THE AREA. UM, BUSINESS OWNERS NEED TO HAVE A REASON TO BUILD BUSINESSES AND OPEN BUSINESSES. AND THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T JUST HAPPEN. AND, AND THE, THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED, WHAT WE'VE SEEN, THIS REMODEL, THE REUSE OF THIS, UH, EYESORE AS IT HAS BEEN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS NOW IS, IS A RESULT OF, OF PAST WORK WHERE SOMEBODY BELIEVES THEIR BUSINESS CAN, CAN SUCCEED THERE. AND I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER WITH WHAT, WITH WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HAPPENING AT THAT CORNER. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY ON THIS CASE. AND, UM, CAN THIS GO TO TWO READINGS? IT CAN. OKAY. OKAY. SO OBJECTION TO PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY AND FIRST READING. YES. PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST READ. THANK YOU, JUDGE. OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE THAT ON. [ Case RZBDP 24-22 - TJL-CES, LLC - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - 8920/8960 Old Troy Pike.] NEXT IS ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS CASE RZ, BDP 24 DASH 22 FOR TJ L DASH C-E-S-L-L-C, REZONING FOR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 89 20 AND 89. 60 OLD TROY PIKE. YEAH. SO ON THE, UH, OPPOSITE END OF THE CITY, UH, THIS IS A REZONING FOR THREE PARCELS, UH, TO BASIC, UH, TO A PLANNED COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET FROM TRIMBLE. UH, THE, IT WILL BE A LOT CONSOLIDATION, UH, REZONING, A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO FACILITATE, UH, FOR THE FIRST PARCEL OR FOR THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT, A, UM, 2200 SQUARE FOOT, BASICALLY DOMINO'S PIZZA. UM, WHICH IS CARRY OUT AND DELIVERY ONLY. UH, SO THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT'S WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US. UM, DURING THE PUBLIC OR DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, SOME OF THE, THE ISSUES THAT WERE, WERE RAISED AND, AND THAT STAFF HAS RAISED, WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT MAINTAINING THE SOUTHERN AND EASTERN TREES, UM, AS BUFFER FOR THE EXISTING, UM, RESIDENTS. SO WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, WE HAVE SLID AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH, ADJACENT TO THE, UM, THE CAR WASH UM, COUPLE OF THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THAT WE'RE GOING TO, UH, REQUIRE DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IF IT MOVES THAT THAT WAY, UH, IS BASICALLY TO HAVE THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF ON PLACEMENT OF STREET TREES ALONG OLD TROY PIKE RIGHT NOW, UTILITY UP, UH, LINES THAT GO WHERE WE WOULD NORMALLY PUT STREET TREES. SO WE WANT TO, AND THEY'RE ALREADY GROWING INTO THE UTILITY LINE, SO WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, AS WELL AS PRESERVING THE, THE SOUTHERN AND WESTERN, OR, EXCUSE ME, SOUTHERN AND EASTERN, UH, BUFFER SPACE THAT EXISTS. SO, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED E APPROVAL FOR THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THANK YOU, AARON. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? AND THERE WOULD ALSO BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS CASE. AND TWO READINGS, TWOS. THAT'S FINE. READINGS AS WELL. OKAY. SO NO OBJECTIONS TO PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST READING. OKAY. SEEING NONE. WE'LL MOVE THIS ON. MY GOSH, I JUST TURNED TO PAGE TWO. HOLY COW. OKAY, ITEM [ Case BDP 24-23 - Grey Fox Capital - Basic Development Plan - 5425 Charlesgate Road] 3G, CASE BDP 24 DASH 23. THIS IS GRAY FOX CAPITAL FOR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 54 25. CHARLES GATE WROTE. YES. SO THIS IS THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR THE NIGHT. UH, SO THIS IS, UM, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL, UM, FOR DEVELOPMENT ALONG CHARLES GATE. UH, IT IS A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING, UM, PROPOSED. THESE ARE THE, UM, INTO THE ARTIST RENDITIONS OF, UH, THE FOR SALE TOWN HOMES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. UH, IT'S 150, UH, THREE, I BELIEVE, UH, UNITS, UH, BASICALLY SPLIT, YOU KNOW, THE ESSENTIALLY TWO DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG RAVINE THAT BISECTS, UH, THE SITE. UM, THERE WERE NEIGHBORS THAT EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, ON THE NORTH. UH, SO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER, UM, TO BASICALLY THE, THE CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED WERE ABOUT THE, THE TREE SEP, THE, THE TREES AND THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT, UH, THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. SO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO RELOCATE, UH, UM, A, UH, A SANITARY SUIT, OR EXCUSE ME, A UH, UM, STORM SEWER THAT WAS PROPOSED THERE AS WELL AS, UH, WALKING TRAILS. SO WE ARE, AND, AND TO KIND OF SHIFT THINGS TO THE, THE SOUTH TO CREATE A LARGER BUFFER SPACE IN, IN AN UNDISTURBED, UH, AREA OF TREES, UH, TREE LINE ALONG THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY AREA, PARTICULARLY, UH, IN FRONT OF THE, [00:55:01] THE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE, UH, DIRECTLY NORTH WHERE, UM, THE RESIDENTS LIVE. STILL WAITING. I AM WAITING FOR UPDATED, UH, SITE PLANS FROM THAT APPLICANT. BUT, UM, OUR CONVERSATIONS WERE, WERE POSITIVE ABOUT BASICALLY IN ENLARGING THAT TREE LINE, THAT BUFFER SPACE. UM, SOME OTHER CONCERNS THAT WERE, UM, RAISED WAS, WAS THE EFFECT, THE FACT THAT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A, A LIMESTONE, BASICALLY A ROCK CRUSHING FACILITY TO, UH, TO THE WEST. THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER WAS WELL AWARE OF THAT WHEN THEY APPROACHED US TO THE FIRST TIME WE, WE SAID, HEY, THERE'S AN ACTIVE ROCK CRUSHING FACILITY. UM, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT. UH, THE OTHER, SOME OF THE POSITIVES ABOUT THIS IS, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BRING WATER DOWN, UH, WILDCAT. YEAH, WILDCAT, WHICH WILL, UH, ASSIST THE PROPOSED CAMPGROUND TO, TO THE SOUTH. UM, UH, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL, UH, OR RECOMMEND, YEAH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. LIKE I SAID, WE ARE, I'M WAITING ON REVISED PLANS, MAYBE SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT NORTHEAST, UH, SECTION OF THE, UH, OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AARON, IS, IS THERE ANY IMPACT OF BRINGING THAT, THAT WATERLINE IN FROM THE CAMPGROUND? ACTUALLY, THIS WILL HELP THE CAMPGROUND BECAUSE, UH, THE WATERLINE IS AT KELLENBERGER, AND SO THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BRING IT DOWN TO THEIR SOUTHERN, UH, EDGE, AND THEN THE CAMPGROUND CAN, IT WOULD REDUCE THE COST TO THE CAMPGROUND THEN TO BRING IT DOWN WILDCAT FOR THE, UM, UH, FOR THE COTTAGES AND THE FIRE PROTECTION THAT'S REQUIRED. ALSO, WILDCAT. SO A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. A COUPLE OF THE CONDITIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE, UM, UH, APPROVED, THERE IS A 14 MILE BIKE PATH THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. UM, IT WOULD COME IN SOMEWHERE WILDCAT. SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A LARGER SETBACK TO A, TO ACCOMMODATE A FUTURE, UH, 10 TO 11 FOOT, UH, MULTI-USE PATH THAT WOULD HEAD NORTH EVENTUALLY. SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR AARON, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY UNITS AND HOW MANY PARKING MAYBE YOU TOLD ME AND I DIDN'T HEAR IT. NO, I DIDN'T TELL YOU. UM, OKAY. IT, IT WAS 153 UNITS THERE. UH, THERE ARE, UM, JUST UN JUST OVER, UM, 300 AND JUST OVER 300 PARKING SPACES. UM, THERE ARE TWO, TWO SPACES FOR EACH UNIT AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL PARKING, UM, FOR SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR VISITORS. WOULD THE MAILBOXES BE AT THE FRONT OF THE SUBDIVISION OR IT CAN BE WALKING AROUND ON EACH UNIT BUILDING? UM, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT DETAIL YET. I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT LIKE SKETCHED OUT THAT THERE'D BE AT THE FRONT. NOW. I JUST, THAT'S, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT IT FOR, FOR MAILBOXES, MY GUESS IS THAT THE POSTAL SERVICE IS GONNA REQUIRE AN INTEGRATED, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE SYSTEM. ONE SYSTEM, YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO, TO CUT DOWN. SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH, IT'S GONNA GO BACK ON CHARLES GATE AND IT'S GONNA BE AS YOU CURVE, AND THEY'LL BE LOOKING INTO LOWE'S. SO LOWE'S IS WAY OVER, UH, ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CHARLES GATE AND UP ON A HILL. OKAY. SO THEY BASICALLY WOULD LOOK INTO THE KIND OF THE BACK TREE AREA, UM, TO LOWE'S. OKAY. DURING THE FALL, YOU'D SEE THE BACK OF LOWE'S DURING THE SUMMER, YOU WOULDN'T BECAUSE OF THE TREE COVERAGE. OKAY. SO AARON, THERE ARE, I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE SOME OF THE, THESE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE HERE THIS EVENING ON THAT, ON THAT BACKSIDE. SO YOU HAD MENTIONED YOU'D HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO EXTEND THAT BUFFER ZONE THERE. MM-HMM. . UM, DO WE KNOW IF THE DEVELOPER'S HAD CONVERSATIONS ALONG THOSE LINES TO SATISFY THE, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS THERE? OR IS THERE ANY CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'VE HAD? UM, I MEAN, IS THAT, DOES THAT, DOES THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE WAITING ON SATISFY THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS? UM, SO WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS SINCE THE, UH, LAST MEETING. WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AFTER THE MEETING, WHICH I RELAYED TO THE DEVELOPER, UH, THE NEXT DAY OR SO THAT, UH, IN, IN MY INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WAS, PARTICULARLY ABOUT, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THERE WAS PLENTY OF, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MANY TREES HERE ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, UH, AS WE CAN OF THIS PROPERTY LINE. AND SO WE'RE STILL, I'M STILL WAITING ON A REVISED SITE PLAN TO SEE IF THAT HA IS, IS ACCOMPLISHED. WILL WE HAVE, WILL WE HAVE THAT BY MONDAY? [01:00:02] UM, I DO NOT THINK SO. SO WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST IS WE HAVE, UM, THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, OR, UM, A FIRST READING AND THEN TABLE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET THAT REVISED PLAN. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE WOULD WANT THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO COME BACK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND LET ME, UH, I WILL TALK TO THE DEVELOPER TOMORROW, UH, AND SEE WHERE THEY ARE ON THE ENGINEERING OF THAT. OKAY. UM, I DID NOT HEAR, I DID NOT HEAR BACK FROM THEM TODAY. WE COULD ALSO OPEN AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC. WE CAN ALSO OPEN AND CONTINUE. I DON'T THINK, UH, THERE IS A, UH, A, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE CHOMPING AT, WELL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A, A REAL SENSE OF URGENCY LIKE THERE IS IN SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. OKAY. YES, ANITA. SO THE CAMPGROUND FOLKS, UM, OTHER THAN THE SAVING THE MONEY ON THE WATER THING, THEY'RE GOOD WITH THIS BECAUSE THAT JUST SEEMS KIND OF ODD THAT WE HAVE TOWNHOUSES NEXT TO A CAMPGROUND. UM, YEAH, THEY'RE, UH, IN MY, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH, WITH, UH, MR. STAFFORD, HE DID NOT EX UH, UM, EXPRESS ANY CONCERNS. OKAY. MAYOR, I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS. YES, YES. ARE THESE MULTI-STORY OR SINGLE STORY? TWO STORY. TWO STORY? WELL, WHAT'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UH, FOR THE, THE ELEVATIONS THAT THEY HAVE SENT US AS PROPOSAL IS, IS TWO STORY. I'M HERE THAT, OKAY. SO THEY WILL HAVE A GARAGE AND WILL THEY HAVE A FENCE AROUND THEIR PROPERTY, UM, TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE HERE? IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS WANT? SO IF THERE IS A, I MEAN, THERE, THERE COULD BE A FENCE. YOU END UP CUTTING, USUALLY CUTTING DOWN, UH, YOU KNOW, A PATH OF TREES IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THAT FENCE FENCE. UM, SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE POINT OF WHERE THEY'VE DONE A TREE SURVEY TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHICH LARGE TREES ARE ON WHOSE SIDE AND, AND ALL OF THAT. BUT, UM, WE WERE NOT, WE ARE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A FENCE, UM, CERTAINLY IS A POSSIBILITY. OKAY. OR WOULD WE DO THE MOUND AND PUT TREES ON TOP OF THE MOUND AGAIN? OR A QUESTION? I DON'T KNOW WHICH WOULD BE BEST. UH, NEITHER IF WE'RE WANTING TO SAVE THE OLD GROWTH TREES, BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO DO A MOUND WITH TREES ON TOP OF THE MOUND, YOU'RE BASICALLY CUTTING OUT, YOU KNOW, CUTTING TREES, ALL OF THE EXISTING TREES IN ORDER TO BUILD A MOUND AND, AND PUT SKINNY TREES ON. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. YES, SCOTT? YEAH. AARON, DO YOU ON THE ROCK QUARRY? YOU MM-HMM. , YOU SAID THEY HAVE A ROCK CRUSHER. YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DECIBELS OR THE HOURS ARE BE RUNNING THIS AND HOW CLOSE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS AT? WELL, SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY ACROSS THE STREET OFF OF WILDCAT. UH, I DON'T KNOW THE HOURS OF OPERATION OR THE DECIBELS, BUT WE, WE INFORMED THE DEVELOPER IMMEDIATELY WHEN THEY RE UH, UM, APPROACHED US ABOUT THIS SITE FOR THEM TO TAKE A LOOK TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE MARKETABILITY AND SUCH OF, OF THAT. CORRECT. WHETHER THAT WOULD IMPACT SALES. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE LIVING THERE, UH, MORE DEVELOPER. SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MAYOR, QUESTION, WHAT QUESTION, UM, CAN WE TALK, SO TYP TYPICALLY, YOU MEAN FOR A WORK SESSION? IT'S JUST KIND OF THE WORKING SESSION I I TO KIND OF KEEP IN LINE WITH, WITH HOW ALL OF OUR SITUATIONS GO. THAT'S WHY IF, WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN POSSIBLY THE EXTENSION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, I'D ASK YOU TO COME BACK AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ON MONDAY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR PUBLIC HEARING WILL TAKE PLACE. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THE CONCERNS ALL ON RECORD. WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE THE DESIGN YET OF THAT, BUT FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S WHERE WE'LL GET ALL THAT INFORMATION AND THEN WE WON'T MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE HAVE BACK FROM THE DEVELOPER. EVERYTHING THAT WE KNOW HAS THEN, YOU KNOW, BEEN WORKED THROUGH TO BE SAT, YOU KNOW, SATISFACTORY FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE AT THE WORK, AT THE WORK SESSION, WE JUST WOULD NEVER, WE DON'T DO PUBLIC COMMENTARY AT THE WORK SESSION. WE DID A COUNCIL MEETING, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY EVEN BEYOND THE COUNCIL MEETING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES EVEN TO SPEAK AT THE COUNCIL MEETING AND CITIZENS YES. AND FUTURE AND CITIZENS COMMENTS AT ANY OTHER, AT ANY OTHER TIME. SO I APPRECIATE YOU UNDERSTANDING THAT HERE. YES. ALRIGHT, AARON? YES. THIS LOOKS SIMILAR TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONE UP NEAR MY HOME. YES. IS THAT TRUE? IT IS. UH, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S THE, IT'S NOT THE SAME DEVELOPER. UM, BUT THEY, THE DEVELOPER'S NOT THE SAME, IS NOT THE BUILDER THAT, UM, IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD, THEY ARE STILL SEEKING A BUILDER. OKAY. BUT YES, THOSE DO LOOK LIKE HEATHER MERR. AND WILL THAT BE TIFFED? UH, THAT IS THE INTENT, YES. OKAY. AND ARE THERE OTHER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS NEAR THAT, OR NO? MM-HMM. . UM, THERE [01:05:01] ARE, SO THERE IS A, UH, THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY UP, UH, UH, CHARLES GATE RIGHT HERE, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, HUB DEVELOPMENTS. UM, SO THERE ARE A COUPLE SMALLER SUBDIVISIONS AS YOU GO UP CHARLES GATE. UM, BUT NONE THAT HAVE, I, I DON'T THINK THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE LAST, SAY, 15 YEARS. THIS IS A REALLY, THIS IS A DIFFICULT SITE TO DEVELOP, WHICH IS WHY IT'S, IS IT NEAR A NURSING HOME? THERE IS ONE AS YOU CONTINUE TO GO UP. YES. YEAH. OKAY. THANKS. MM-HMM? , YEAH, I SEE ON THE SCHEMATIC HERE ON THE ENGINEERING DRAWING BATON ROUGE. SO I THINK, I MEAN OVER THAT YEP. ALL THAT OFF TO THE OTHER, TO THE NORTH SIDE THERE. CORRECT. OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE? COUNSEL? YES, DON? YEAH, I'LL JUST, UH, I'M SORRY. THANKS, MAYOR. UH, I JUST, I JUST WANNA EXPRESS A COUPLE THINGS. I KNOW WE TOUCHED ON, OR YOU TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT DURING PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT, UM, THE DENSITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, ESPECIALLY TO THE, UH, WESTERN PORTION, THE WESTERN DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RETAINING TREES, UM, BEYOND A, A STRAND OF TREES ALONG THE NORTHERN BORDER, UH, BOTH, BOTH SIDES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT TO ME LOOK LIKE WE'RE GONNA BE, UM, IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE, THE, THE BUILD WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE GONNA BE GROUND CLEARING. UM, IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT EXCEPT FOR THE RAVINE? THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. WELL, THE CENTER, I, I UNDERSTAND WITH THE, UH, THE CENTER SECTION OF THE PARCEL THAT, THAT MAY BE, MAY REMAIN SOMEWHAT UNSCATHED, BUT, UM, WITH THE, UH, RETENTION BASINS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND THE DENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY THE WESTERN DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN REALITY, THE TREES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAVING WOULD BE A, AT BEST A NARROW LINE OF TREES ALONG THE, THE NORTHERN, UH, SECTION OF EACH PARCEL. RIGHT. THAT'S ACCURATE. OKAY. THAT COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT, UH, AS SOMEONE BROUGHT UP EARLIER THE, UH, GRAVEL PIT ACROSS THE STREET, UH, GIVES ME SOME CONCERN. I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FULL IDEA OF WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT BUILD OUT IS GONNA LOOK LIKE BEFORE WE'RE ASKED TO MAKE ANY KIND OF COMMITMENT TO IT. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. HOW CLOSE IS IT TO THE, TO THE WILDCAT? IT, IT FRONTS WILDCAT ALL OF THE HOUSES ON THE WEST SIDE, WOULD FRONT WILDCAT IN THAT SECTION OF WILDCAT WOULD BE IMPROVED? YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS THOUGH, HAVING THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE FIRST READING ON MONDAY? AND THEN IF NEED BE, WE CAN CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO THE MEETING IN DECEMBER ALSO? UM, AND YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR, UM, IT HAS TO TAKE PLACE IN TWO READINGS. I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE READINGS ON SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PAST UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE GET IT RIGHT. UM, BUT AT LEAST WE NEED TO START, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO START THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. YES. NANCY, AARON, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT, UM, I, I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH THIS FACING WILDCAT AND, AND PART OF THE ROCK CRUSHING PLACE, AND, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY TO SHIFT IT EAST? UM, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, NO. NOT WITHOUT LOSING BASICALLY ONE ROW OF, OF UNITS. UM, BUT SO THAT WOULD BE A, A, UH, DISCUSSION THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD NEED TO, TO FIGURE OUT IF FINANCIALLY THAT MADE, MADE SENSE. BUT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE RAVINE, UM, BASE, THE, THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THOSE TWO, I'LL CALL 'EM PODS, REALLY FILL OUT THE EXTENT OF WHAT CAN PHYSICALLY BE BUILT, UH, ON THAT SITE. SO YOU COULD LOSE, UM, A ROW OR TWO OF OF UNITS AND SHIFT AND, AND INCREASE THAT BUFFER, UH, OR THAT SETBACK ALONG WILDCAT. BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S EFFECTIVELY THE BEST YOU COULD DO. WHAT ABOUT LIKE, THE ONES IN HEATHER, ME, THERE ARE THREE STORIES. WHAT IF THEY WENT TO A THREE STORY INSTEAD OF THE TWO STORIES? SO, AND, AND SHIFTED IT, BUT IT'S NOT, BUT IT'S NOT MULTIFAMILY. [01:10:01] THIS IS, YEAH. THESE ARE, THESE ARE FOUR SALE TOWN HOMES, SO IT'S THREE. IT'S, BUT RIGHT. BUT, BUT IF IT'S THREE STORIES, IT'S STILL THE SAME FAMILY LIVING IN A THREE STORY. IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT ADDING ANOTHER FAMILY, MEANING YOU'RE NOT SELLING TWO UNITS FOR ONE. IT'S STILL JUST, IT'S JUST A BIGGER UNIT YOU'D BE SELLING TO AN INDIVIDUAL. A THREE STORY DOESN'T MAKE IT MORE DENSE IN TERMS OF HOW MANY UNITS YOU'RE GONNA SELL. IT JUST MEANS UNDERSTOOD. YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. DON. I, I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO TABLE THIS AND, AND, AND DEFER THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. THE, THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES THAT, UM, WITHIN 10 DAYS, THE, THE CASE WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE, THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH HAD, IT'S BEEN TRANSFERRED TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SO IF YOU WANT TO PAUSE THIS WHILE WE GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE CAN, IT'S, IT'S YOUR CALL. YEP. I CAN BE OPEN TO THAT TOO. SO YEAH, I JUST WILL LEAVE COUNSEL DISCRETION. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS BEST HERE? YES. MARK IT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST. YEAH. YEAH. UH, I WOULD HATE TO GIVE SOMEONE FALSE HOPE AND MOVE A PROJECT FORWARD AND COST THEM MONEY. YEP. OKAY. I WILL REACH OUT TO THEM AGAIN TOMORROW. OKAY. SO WE'LL JUST, UM, WE'LL DELAY A PUBLIC HEARING. WE WON'T HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL, UM, JANUARY UNTIL WE AT LEAST, YEAH. UNTIL, AT LEAST TILL THE JANUARY MEETING, UNTIL WE KNOW WE HAVE, UM, WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE THE DECEMBER MEETING, DEPENDING IF THEY GET BACK THE INFORMATION. I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF THEIR TIMELINE NOW, IF THEY GET US WHAT, WHAT WE NEED. YEAH. UM, YEAH, LET ME TALK TO THEM. UM, I MAY NOT BE HERE FOR THE DECEMBER MEETING. OKAY. SO LET ME SEE WHAT WORKS ON THE SCHEDULE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WE, UH, JUST DELAY THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. ALRIGHT. [ Granger Property Development, LLC – Purchase Agreement] NEXT IS ITEM THREE H, WHICH IS THE GRANGER PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT, LLC AND THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT. YEP. SO THIS IS LEGISLATION, UM, AUTHORIZING A, UH, SALES AGREEMENT TO SELL 5.6 ACRES ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, THIS IS THE, THE CURRENT, UH, RENDERING OF WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT. UH, THEY OWN THE PROPERTY FOR PHASE ONE, UM, WHICH WAS RECENTLY, UH, MINOR CHANGE APPROVAL WAS GRANTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR PHASE ONE, WHICH IS ABOUT 14 ACRES BEHIND IT. UM, SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS, UM, 184 UNITS OF RESIDENTIAL ALONG WITH, UH, APPROXIMATELY 11,000 SQUARE FEET OF, OF RETAIL. UM, THIS IS KIND OF THE VISION THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. IT'S GOT SOME PLAZA SPACE AND, UH, OUTDOOR SEATING, UH, DINING AREA. THIS IS KIND OF THE VISION THAT THEY ARE, UM, GOING TOWARDS. SO IF THIS LEGISLATION IS APPROVED, GRANGER WOULD PROCEED WITH BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PHASE TWO. UM, THEY STILL NEED TO GET BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FROM BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UH, CITY COUNCIL. THERE IS AN INITIAL 120 DAY DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD AS WELL AS TWO 90 DAY EXTENSIONS. UM, THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT DOES CONTAIN A RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL THAT WAS DISCUSSED, UH, LAST TIME. AND THIS PURCHASE CONTRACT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE LAW DEPARTMENT. SO THE 11,000 SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT IS FIRST FLOOR MULTIFAMILY ABOVE, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. UM, SO THE FIRST FLOOR, I THINK, OR THE 11,000, I BELIEVE IT WAS REALLY MORE FOR SPACING TO SEE HOW THEY, THEY CAN FIT THE VARIOUS BAYS. UM, I THINK DEMAND IS THERE. THEY'LL, THEY'LL PUT MORE IN, BUT YEAH, IT'S ESSENTIALLY FIRST FLOOR RETAIL, UPPER STORY HOUSING. OKAY. UM, THIS CONCEPT GO, UH, FURTHERS, OR LET ME REPHRASE THAT. THIS CONCEPT IS, IS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT STUDIES THAT WE DID, UH, FOR EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD THAT SHOWED THAT THIS WAS, THIS WOULD BE BETTER RECEIVED THIS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAN STANDALONE INDIVIDUAL BUILDING, UM, COMMERCIAL BUILDING PADS, WHICH WAS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY OR, UH, PROPOSED. AND SO THEY, THEY ALSO DID THEIR OWN MARKET DUE DILIGENCE AND CAME BACK WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THE SAME THING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO NOT ONLY FROM OUR, I FORGET THE, WAS IT FREEMAN? IS THAT WHO DID OUR SB FREEMAN YES. S FREEMAN DID OUR STUDY. SO, SO PRIDE ONE WENT OUT AND DID THEIR OWN NATIONAL STUDY AS WELL. YEP. OKAY. AND, AND WE DIDN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER UNTIL WE WERE IN ONE ROOM AND WE HAD INDEPENDENT STUDIES THAT SAID THE EXACT SAME THING. OKAY. GOOD. I THINK THAT, I MEAN, THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE DIRECTION TOO, THAT THIS IS HEADED AND WE START THINKING ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT AND COMMERCIAL SPACE BECAUSE THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE COULD BE MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF ENTERTAINMENT IN THAT, IN THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE AS WELL. NOT JUST A, A BAKERY . SO, RIGHT. AND IT ALSO ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, UM, DEVELOPMENTS TO COME AND GO FLEXIBLE SPACE. SURE. YEAH. YEAH. NOT JUST BUILT ONE PARTICULAR [01:15:01] TYPE OF USER. GOTCHA. OKAY. JEFF GOLD. YES. MARK . THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. YES. NICE HEADERS, . WELL, THIS I THINK IS THE VISION THAT EVERYBODY'S LOOKING FOR. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK WE CAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE EXCITED ABOUT. AND I LIKE THAT THEIR OWN OUTSIDE STUDY MATCHED OUR STUDY AND THAT'S WHAT GIVE THEM THE CONFIDENCE TO BE ABLE TO PROPOSE THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. YEP. SO IT ISN'T JUST US SAYING, HEY, I THINK THIS WILL WORK. YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS ANOTHER OUTSIDE STUDY BEING DONE THAT THEY HIRED OUT OF THEIR OWN DIME. YEAH. NO, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE. OKAY. ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, SCOTT? THAT'S MORE LIKE THE GREEN, WHAT THE GREEN HAS, CORRECT. VERY SIMILAR. YES. YEAH. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO THIS IS THE, UH, PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR THAT. HOW MANY ACRES IS IT AGAIN? UH, 5.6. OKAY. ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR THOSE 5.6 ACRES ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY. SAYING NONE. WE'LL MOVE THAT. NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE [ Brandt Pike Roadway Improvements Project - Contract Modification] I, WHICH IS THE BRANT PIKE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT AND CONTRACT MODIFICATION. YES, THIS IS MINE. UH, GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. UM, WHAT THIS IS IS LEGISLATION, UH, FOR CONTRACT MODIFICATION FOR THE ENGINEERING FIRM, UH, KLEINER'S GROUP. UH, THIS INCREASES FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES NEEDED FOR THE BRANT PIKE WIDENING THE ROADWAY WIDENING, WHICH IS, UH, WIDENING THE ROAD AND INSTALLING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE CARRIAGE TRAILS, UH, PARKWAY INTERSECTION. UH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO WITH THIS, UH, ADDITIONAL, UM, ADDITIONAL FUNDING IS FOR, TO ADD A SIDEWALK AND EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD, ALONG WITH CURBING ON THAT SIDE. UH, THIS IS AN EXTENSION FROM WHERE THE FIVE LANE ROAD ENDS UP THERE BY CARRIAGE TRAILS. AND THEN, UM, THIS PORTION OF IT IS JUST FOR THE SIDE, IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT, THE EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK, WHICH WILL RUN ALL THE WAY FROM THE END OF THAT, UH, WHICH IS NOW THE CORP LINE, THE END OF THAT FIVE LANE ROAD, UH, TO THE NORTH TO THE CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY INTERSECTION. AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, THE DEVELOPER THAT'S DEVELOPING THE APARTMENTS THERE AT THE, AT THAT INTERSECTION ARE, THEY WILL EXTEND THE EIGHT FOOT BIKE PATH AROUND THE ENTRANCE AND OVER TO RED BUCKEYE, UM, TO MAKE A CONNECTION TO THE, TO THE SIDEWALK AND BIKE PATH THAT'S UP THERE. SO, UM, THIS WORK IS, UH, IT'S JUST AN ADDITION TO THE CONTRACT. ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND. WE'RE ADDING 20,000 TO IT FOR NOT TO EXCEED A HUNDRED, 120,000. AND THIS IS COST WILL BE COMING FROM OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS. IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE THING TO THIS, UH, SO THE ORIGINAL WHERE THE, THE SIDEWALK WAS GOING TO STOP, IT WAS ORIGINALLY THEN GOING TO GO DOWN THE, THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE NEW APARTMENT COMPLEX. THE WAY THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY WORKS, UH, OR WORKED, UH, AFTER WE GOT THROUGH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THAT THE APARTMENT BASICALLY PADS, THE BUILDING PADS ARE GONNA BE NEARLY SEVEN FEET TALLER THAN ORIGINALLY, UM, ANTICIPATED. SO WE WOULD HAVE A SEVEN FOOT TALL RETAINING WALL THAT BASICALLY RAN DOWN THE SOUTHERN, UM, EDGE OF THAT, UH, OF WHERE THE SIDEWALK WAS GONNA BE. THAT TAPERED DOWN TO A THREE FOOT. SO AESTHETICALLY AND, AND FUNCTIONALLY IT MADE SENSE TO BRING THAT SIDEWALK FURTHER NORTH. AND SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A CHANGE ORDER. IT'S, IT WASN'T AN AFTERTHOUGHT, IT JUST, IT DIDN'T WORK LIKE WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO. SO I'M JUST GONNA ASK THIS NOW BEFORE I FORGET BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA UP THERE IN CARRIAGE TRAILS AND BRENT PIKE IN THAT INTERSECTION. I KNOW WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS DONE SOMETIME TOWARD, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING PART. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE NEXT LEGISLATION. NEXT TALKING. ALRIGHT. I JUST WANNA SEE, SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE THAT, UM, THAT WE ACTUALLY SEE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ANXIOUS UP THERE TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT DESIGN LOOKS LIKE. SO. OKAY. AND AS FAR AS THIS PROJECT AND THE CONTRACT MODIFICATION, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT FORWARD? OKAY, YOU SAY NO, MOVE THAT ON. NEXT [ Brandt Pike Improvements/Carriage Trails Parkway - Solicit Bids] UP IS IM THREE J, WHICH IS THE BRAND PACK IMPROVEMENT FOR CARE CHARLES PARKWAY AND SOLICITING THOSE BIDS. UH, YES, THIS HAS ALLOWED US TO GO OUT THE BID FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND INSTALLATION OF THE, UH, MASTER ARM TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND THE LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT INTERSECTION. UM, THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES IS, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN A LONG LEFT TURN LANE GOING NORTH TO GET INTO THE SUBDIVISION. UM, WE WILL BE, UM, ADDING THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE, A MASSED ARM TRAFFIC SIGNAL. WE [01:20:01] WILL BE KEEPING THE LONG CURVED EXIT OUT OF CARRIAGE TRAILS GOING SOUTH AND ADDING A WHOLE LANE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE LANE. UH, WIDENED ALREADY PART AT THE, AT THE COUNTY, AT THE CITY LINE. UM, AND THE, THE ENTRANCE IN THOUGH WILL CHANGE THE ENTRANCE THAT'S COMING IN. IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE NORTH, UH, ENTERING INTO THE SUBDIVISION, THAT, UH, LONG SWOOPING CURVE WILL BE ELIMINATED AND WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE LIGHT AT THAT POINT WITH THE RIGHT DROP LANE. UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS ALSO INCLUDE CURBING STORM SEWER EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK. UM, AND THAT WAS PART WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE LAST LEGISLATION. UH, WE WILL TRY TO BID THIS IN JANUARY AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND HOPEFULLY IN EARLY TO MID-FEBRUARY FOR THE WARD OF THE CONTRACTOR. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE SWOOPING CURVE. BASICALLY THE, THE PIECE THAT'S THERE THAT'S HATCHED ON THE ENGINEER DRAWINGS. CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S GONE. AND THE ONLY ENTRANCE HEADING SOUTH WILL BE AT THE LIGHT? YES. OKAY. MAY YES, KATE REST. DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED TIMEFRAME THAT WE THINK THIS WILL TAKE? LIKE IF IT GOES OUT TO BID IN JANUARY? YEAH, WE'LL WE WILL BE A MONTH TO TWO MONTHS OF BIDDING AND AWARDING AND THEN WE WILL, UH, IMMEDIATELY TRY TO GET THE, UH, MA ARMS ORDERED. 'CAUSE IT'S A SIX MONTH PROCESS. CAN WE ORDER THEM NOW? THAT'D HELP TWO MONTHS. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. UH, THEY WON'T ALLOW YOU TO THE, WELL THE CONTRACT HAS TO BE SIGNED FOR. THAT'S NOT VERY NICE OF THEM BEFORE THE CON WELL THE CONTRACTOR HAS TO ORDER 'EM AND UH, ALSO YOU CAN'T ORDER 'EM UNTIL THE FOUNDATIONS ARE POURED. UH, THAT'S ANOTHER RESTRICTION. SO WE ARE GONNA TRY TO GET THEM TO DO THAT FIRST THING OUT THERE SO THAT WE CAN GET 'EM ORDERED. UH, BUT THEY CAN CONTINUE ALL THE, THE WHOLE PROJECT DURING THAT SIX MONTH PERIOD AND THEN, UH, INSTALL THE LIKE AT HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF THE PROJECT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY SEPTEMBER OR SO NEXT YEAR. AUGUST, SEPTEMBER. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. WELL AND FINALLY GLAD TO SEE THIS READY TO MOVE FORWARD. AS I'M SURE MANY OF YOU ARE, DON . DON IS VERY EXCITED TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD AND UH, THE PEOPLE OF CARRIAGE TRAILS HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT. I KNOW THIS HAS TAKEN A LOT LONGER THAN WE ALL THOUGHT IT WOULD. BUT RUSS, THANK YOU. UH, I THINK THE DESIGN IS GREAT TO THE POINT AARON MADE EARLIER. UH, SOMETIMES THINGS HAPPEN FOR A REASON. I ACTUALLY THINK THE RELOCATION OF THE BIKE PATH SIDEWALK TO THE NORTH IS MORE FUNCTIONAL AND MAKES MORE SENSE TO THE RESIDENTS IN CT. SO THAT'S GONNA WORK GREAT. TOTAL PROJECT. I KNOW THE PEOPLE UP THERE WILL BE VERY EXCITED TO SEE THIS COMING. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, MOVING THIS? YES, MARK? I'D LIKE TO COMMENT WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. OKAY. PICTURE BECAUSE YEAH. YEAH. I'D LIKE TO SAY IN SPEAKING ABOUT THE CARRIAGE TRAILS TRAFFIC LIGHT, I'M REALLY HAPPY WE HIRED YOU. AARON . ME TOO. , THANK YOU FOR MOVING THIS ON. MM-HMM. NEUTRAL IS NOT A FUN PLACE TO BE. AND GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. ANY OBJECTIONS? SEEING NONE . WE WILL MOVE THIS FORWARD TO MONDAY. OKAY. [ 2025 Water Main Replacement Project - Solicit Bids] NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS THE 2025 WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT. AND SOLICITING THOSE BIDS, ROSS. UH, THIS WILL ALLOW US TO GO OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION BIDDING FOR THIS 2025 PROGRAM. UH, WE HAVE STREET MAP IN YOUR PACKET SHOWS THE STREETS WE'VE CHOSEN, UH, FOR THIS COMING YEAR. UH, ALL THE STREETS HAVE, UM, HAD MAJOR WATER MAIN BREAKS IN THE PAST, UH, FEW YEARS AND FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS. AND, UH, WE KIND OF CHOSE THE STREETS BASED OFF THOSE BREAKS. AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE WATER INTEGRITY STUDY TO LOOK AT, UH, WHAT STREETS THEY LISTED AS CRITICAL AREAS OF REPLACEMENT. AND THESE FALL UNDER THAT. AND THEN THE THIRD THING WE HAD TO LOOK AT WAS, UH, PAVING STREETS. STREETS THAT HAVE BEEN PAVED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. WE TRIED NOT TO DO ANY STREETS THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY PAVED. SO THOSE THREE THINGS WE USE TO COME UP WITH THESE STREETS. UH, WE HAVE 15 OF THOSE CHOSEN FOR THE REPLACEMENT. UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE $6 MILLION IN OUR WATER FUND FOR THIS. UM, AND EACH OF THESE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY HAVE TWO CONTRACTORS. UH, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET AS MANY OF 'EM, WE'LL HOPEFULLY GET IT ALL DONE NEXT YEAR. BUT I CAN'T POSITIVE WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THE PAVING DONE BY NEXT YEAR. 'CAUSE THE PAVING USUALLY COMES IN SEPTEMBER TO OCTOBER. IF WE HAVE TO, WE MAY HAVE TO TAKE SOME OF THE STREETS INTO THE FOLLOWING YEARS PROGRAM TO PAVE SO THEY'LL HAVE ASPHALT DOWN OVER THE TRENCHES AND EVERYTHING. IT'S JUST, THAT WON'T HAVE A FINAL LAYER OF ASPHALT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT STREETS THOSE ARE YET. SO THESE HAVE ALL BEEN ENGINEERED, THIS IS NOW THE YES. THE BID FOR ACTUALLY THE FOR THE INSTALL. YES. DONE. SO I LIKE THIS PROGRAM, [01:25:01] THE $6 MILLION IN THE WATER FUND. WHERE DO WE, WHEN WILL WE SEE THE NEXT LINE OF ENGINEERING COME IN TERMS OF FOR THE KIND OF, FOR THE NEXT, FOR THE NEXT ROUND. AND UM, JUST KINDA REMIND ME HOW THAT, THAT PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING, WHEN DOES WE ALWAYS GOTTA GET AHEAD OF THE ENGINEERING, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE ONLY PUT SO MUCH PIPE IN THE GROUND AT A TIME. RIGHT? SO WHEN WILL WE SEE THE NEXT ROUND OF ENGINEERING HAPPEN? UM, WE ALREADY HAVE, THIS IS, WE HAD THREE AREAS DESIGNED. WELL, ONE OF THE THIRD AREA IS ALMOST COMPLETED. IT'S NOT QUITE COMPLETED YET, BUT THAT THIRD AREA WILL BE HALF OF THE NEXT PROGRAM. SO SOMETIME NEXT YEAR I WILL GET THE REST OF THAT FUTURE PROGRAM DESIGNED SO THAT WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER SET TO DO THE FOLLOW EITHER THE FOLLOWING YEAR, PROBABLY THE FOLLOWING YEAR. OKAY. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT IN 26. OKAY. THANKS ROSS. APPRECIATE IT. YES, SCOTT. HEY RU DO YOU, WE KNOW WHY THE REASON THE LAST TWO WATER MAIN BREAKS ONE ON EXECUTIVE AND I HAVEN'T HEARD. NO, I, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE JUST NORMAL BREAKS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED THERE. OKAY. I THINK THEY JUST HAPPENED THURSDAY OR FRIDAY, I BELIEVE. YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW THE AGE OF THE PIPE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR WE WAS EXECUTIVE I THINK IS ABOUT, THAT'S IN THE SECTION. EXECUTIVE WAS BUILT TWO HALVES. IT WAS THE FIRST HALVE, SO PROBABLY IS AT LEAST 30 TO 40 YEARS AGO AT LEAST THAT THAT WAS BUILT. OKAY. SO YEAH, IT'S ONCE IN A WHILE WE GET BREAKS ON LINES THAT AREN'T, YOU KNOW, AS OLD AS THE ONES SOUTH, BUT WE STILL GET 'EM. OKAY. I WAS CURIOUS. THANKS MAYOR. YES, ANITA. JUST BE CAUTIOUS OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. 'CAUSE MENLO IS THE ONE THAT CROSSES IN FRONT OF MONTICELLO, SO WE CAN DO IT WITH THIS LITTLE OF INCONVENIENCE TO THE SCHOOLS. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH. I THINK THERE WAS ONE SCHOOL ON THIS ONE. UM, CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT STREET IT WAS ON, BUT, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL BE AWARE OF THAT ONE. ESPECIALLY FOR PAVING AGAIN TOO. SO WE'LL WORK THAT ONE IN THE SUMMER. OKAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OBJECTION? OKAY. NEXT IS [ Chambersburg Road West Improvements Project - Right Of Way Acquisition - Award Contract] THREE L, WHICH IS A CHAMBERS OF ROAD WEST IMPROVEMENT PROJECT RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT. UH, THIS, YEAH, THIS LEGISLATION ALLOWS US TO ENTER A CONTRACT WITH AN ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN GROUP. UH, THIS IS FOR ACQUISITION SERVICES TO ACQUIRE THE NEEDED RIGHT OF WAY AND EASEMENTS FOR THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD WEST WIDENING PROJECT, WHICH IS FROM OLD TROY PIKE TO THE WEST CORPORATION LINE OF THE CITY, WHICH IS JUST WEST OF ENDICOTT ROAD. UH, AND ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN GROUP IS A ODOT PRE-QUALIFIED COMPANY THAT, UH, PERFORMS THIS TYPE OF SERVICES. UH, THEY WOULD BE DOING. UM, WHAT WE, WHAT WE NEED IS ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENTS FOR, UH, THE WIDENING OF THE ROAD, THE INSTALLATION OF 11 FOOT BIKE PATH ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, AND, UH, RETAINING WALLS, STORM SEWER AND SLOPE AND GRADING ADJUSTMENTS. UH, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 30 TO 40 PROPERTIES ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT'S GONNA NEED SOME, UH, ACQUISITION. AND, UM, THIS, ALL THIS ACQUISITION WILL OCCUR NEXT YEAR. AND, UM, PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR MID 2026, UM, THE NOT TAKE SEAT AMOUNT ON THIS IS, UH, 139,000. UM, THEIR QUOTE WAS FOR 125,950. I THINK IT'S IN YOUR PACKET. IT SHOWS THE THREE COMPANIES. UM, WE ALSO IN THIS LEGISLATION IS AUTHORIZATION TO, UH, FOR NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF 250,000 TO COVER THE COST FOR PAYING FOR THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THE VALUE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENTS NEEDED. UM, AT THIS TIME WE'RE ESTIMATING THESE AMOUNTS BECAUSE THE APPRAISALS ARE NOT BEING COMPLETED YET. SO, UM, AND THAT APPRAISALS ARE PART OF THE SERVICES THAT ENGINEERING OR ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN GROUP PROVIDES. OKAY. UM, THE MONEY NEEDED FOR THIS WILL COME ALSO BE PAID CA PAID OUT OF THE CAPITAL FUND. THIS IS ALSO, I HEARD YOU MENTIONED SOME SLOPING AND GRADING CHANGES. SO THE BIG GOAL OF THIS IS TO REMOVE THAT BIG HUMP THERE COMING RIGHT UP TO TROY PIKE THAT'S GONNA WORK REALLY FLAT THAT OUT. THERE'LL STILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A HUMP THERE, BUT IT WOULD BROUGHT DOWN AS MUCH AS WE CAN BECAUSE IT'S ALL IN ROCK. YEP. ABOUT FOUR FEET DOWN. SO WE'RE TAKING DOWN AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THE 35 MILE SPEED LIMIT THROUGH THERE, WHICH IS USUALLY WHAT'S REQUIRED. SO. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTION? OKAY. MOVING ON. NEXT IS ITEM 3M, [ Chambersburg Water Standpipe Painting Project - Solicit Bids] WHICH IS A CHAMBERSBURG WATER STANDPIPE PAINTING PROJECT. AH, HERE WE GO AGAIN. YEAH. THIS IS THE ONE THING THAT REMINDS US ALL. WE'RE IN THE WRONG BUSINESS. . YEAH, THIS IS FOR THE PAINTING OF THE CHAMBERSBURG STANDPIPE WATER TOWER. UH, I INCLUDED A MAP IN THERE. THIS IS THE ONE BEHIND ST. PETER'S SCHOOL. UM, THAT WATER TOWER WAS BUILT IN 1957 AND IT HOLDS [01:30:01] 1.5 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER. UH, THE TOWER'S EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR ROOF WERE PAINTED IN 2011. UM, THE LAST TIME THE, THE INTERIOR THE LAST TIME WAS PAINTED IN 1994. UH, SO THE EXTERIOR AND THE INTERIOR ROOF WERE IN 2011. UM, USUALLY WATER TOWERS RUN ABOUT A, A 12 TO 15 YEAR CYCLE OF, UH, BEING PAINTED. UM, THIS WAS INSPECTED BY NELSON TANK COMPANY IN SEPTEMBER, AND IT SHOWED THAT THE TOWER IS IN NEED OF, OF PAINTING AT THIS TIME. UM, THE WORK WILL INCLUDE A ABRASIVE BLAST CLEANING AND PAINTING OF THE INTERIOR AND THE EXTERIOR. AND WE PLAN TO DO THE WORK BETWEEN, UH, APRIL 15TH TO AUGUST 1ST. UH, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT IS $700,000 AND IT WAS BUDGETED THIS YEAR OUT OF THE WATER FUND. UH, WE WILL PUT IN THERE, UH, AS AN ALTERNATE BID, THE PAINTING OF THE LOGO ON THE EXTERIOR. I'LL BRING THAT BACK WITH THE COST TO DECIDE AT THAT POINT. IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH THE, PUTTING THAT BACK ON THERE AGAIN AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AFTER WE RECEIVE BIDS. ANY QUESTIONS? ANYONE WANNA START A PAINTING BUSINESS? ? YES, FRED. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR QUESTION FOR AARON. WHAT IS THE, THE, THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF A, OF A STRUCTURE SUCH AS THAT? I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONIES EVERY 15 YEARS. WE CAN EXPECT ANOTHER MILLION OR SO TO COME UP. HOW MUCH? I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO REPLACE IT. I'M SAYING WHAT, HOW LONG CAN WE EXPECT IT TO LAST? AND ONCE THEY DO SANDBLASTING ON THAT, IS THAT GONNA AFFECT ANYTHING? AND SHOULD WE, UM, ANTICIPATE ANY EXTRA COST FOR REPAIRS? WANT ME TO GET THAT? OKAY. UH, RUS LIKE, UH, YEP. I SAID AARON. AARON, HE SAID AARON. SORRY. . NO, THIS, THIS ONE IS, WAS BUILT IN 1957 AND IT'S STILL VERY STRUCTURALLY SOUND. I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD SHAPE. UM, IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT YOU GET PITTING AND THINGS ON THE OUTSIDE INSIDE AND IT NEEDS TO BE SANDBLASTED, WHICH STILL THE THICKNESS OF THE, OF THE METAL IS STILL PLENTY STRONG TO THIS. I'M SURE THIS COULD PROBABLY EVEN LAST ANOTHER 50 YEARS. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. I GOT A QUESTION. UM, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO DRAIN THAT IN ORDER OF COURSE. TO DO THE WORK. YES. SO WILL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SERVED BY THAT, WHERE THERE, UH, WATER BE IMPACTED DURING THAT TIME? NO. UH, THE OTHER WATER TOWERS WILL TAKE OVER AND SERVICE THAT WHOLE AREA. OKAY. WE'LL BE THE FIRST TO HEAR ABOUT IT IF IT DOES COME UP RIGHT THERE. . SO IT WON'T AFFECT WATER PRESSURE. I MEAN, HAVING THAT, UH, IT SHOULDN'T INFECT THE WATER PRESSURE AT ALL. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY. MOVE ON. NEXT IS [ Richard F. Shomper City Governance Center Project - Phase II - Award Contract] ITEM THREE IN WHICH IS THE RICHARD F SCHAPER CITY GOVERNANCE CENTER PROJECT FOR PHASE TWO AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT. YEAH, THIS ONE, UM, IS PHASE TWO, WHICH IS TO, UH, CONSTRUCT THE SECOND HALF OF THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. THAT IS, THAT WILL BE USED FOR OFFICE SPACE, UH, FOR THE ADMINISTRATION STAFF HERE. UH, THE BIDDING FOR THIS ONE WAS HANDLED BY OUR, UH, THE ARCHITECT LWC. UM, BUT I'M JUST PRESENTING TO YOU FOR THEM. UM, WE RECEIVED TWO BIDS FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, AND THE BID TABULATION IS IN YOUR PACKET. UH, THE TWO BIDDERS WERE ARCON BUILDERS AT 1,774,500 IN LAYMAN DAMON CONSTRUCTION AT 1,880,000. UM, THEY WERE REVIEWED BY THE ARCHITECT AND THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED TO US TO AWARD THIS PROJECT TO ARCON BUILDERS AS THE LOWEST AND BEST BUILDER. AND ARCON IS THE CONTRACT THAT'S CURRENTLY WORKING ON PHASE ONE OF THIS PROJECT. UH, THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT ON THIS ONE IS THE SAME AMOUNT. 1,774,500. UH, AND BECAUSE THE CONTINGENCY ON THIS PROJECT IS ALREADY BUILT INTO THE COST, SO, UH, AND THE FUNDING FOR THIS IS OUT OF OUR CAPITAL FUND. JUST ADD, UM, THIS, UH, THE BIDS DID COME IN UNDER THE ARCHITECT'S ESTIMATE. OKAY. ACTUALLY THAT WAS THE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK. DID THIS COME IN? DO WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT CAME IN KIND OF UNDER OUR ESTIMATE UNDER BUDGET? IT DID. OKAY, GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE THIS ON. NEXT UP [ Canal Heights - Development Agreement] IS ITEM THREE OH, WHICH IS CANAL HEIGHTS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AARON? YEP. SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION THAT AUTHORIZES THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH FOUR STAR, UH, REAL ESTATE GROUP, UH, TO FACILITATE THE CANAL HEIGHTS DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. UH, FOUR STAR IS THE DEVELOPMENT ARM OF DR. HORTON, THE, UH, HOME BUILDER. UH, SO THE PROJECT IS 283 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON WEST CHAMBERSBURG ROAD. UM, OVER FIVE PHASES. [01:35:01] THEY'RE ANTICIPATING THE SALES PRICES BE BETWEEN 325,300 80,000. UM, THEY'RE REQUESTING INCENTIVES INCLUDING CRA TIFF AND THE ISSUANCE OF REVENUE BONDS TO HELP DEFRAY THE COST OF, OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. THE DEBT SERVICE FOR THE REVENUE BONDS WOULD BE PAID THROUGH, UM, THE MINIMUM SERVICE PAYMENTS, UH, PLEDGED TO THE PROJECT. UM, SO THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS CRAFTED WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF CHRIS FRANZ AND, UH, ANDY BOART. SO THEIR TEAM WOULD END UP BEING THE ONES THAT ADMINISTERED THE BOND, UM, THE BOND ADMINISTRATION OF, OF THAT PROJECT. UH, IN ADDITION, THE DEVELOPER WOULD DONATE APPROXIMATELY 90 ACRES TO THE CITY FOR NEW WALKING TRAILS AROUND THE PERIMETER AS WELL AS A, A, A NEW PARK. AND DID WE CHANGE ANY OF THE, I KNOW WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS CONNECTIVITY PIECE, THE CONNECTIVITY PIECE OF THIS WAS A BIG DEAL. DID WE END UP SHOWING WE CONNECT THIS TO THE, TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD THERE FURTHER UP TO THE NORTH? YEAH. WHAT, UM, WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAYS IS THAT, UM, THEY WILL, WE, WE HADN'T DECIDED WHICH WAY TO CONNECT IT. THAT WOULD BE THE FIFTH PHASE. AS PART OF THAT PHASE, THEY WILL COME BACK AND TELL US WHICH IS THE, THE, THE, THE MOST, UM, PRACTICAL CONNECTION TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE NORTH. BUT THAT CONNECTION IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND HAS BEEN ARTICULATED FROM DAY ONE. OKAY. AND THEN AS A REMINDER, I THINK IF, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, PART OF THE, PART OF THE TIF REVENUE OUTTA THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS GOING TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE CHAMBERSBURG IMPROVEMENTS ON UP, UM, EAST OF OLD TROY PIKE IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL, KIND OF UP TOWARDS CHAMBERSBURG. IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE FUTURE FIXES UP THERE? SO THE, UM, THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PRO THAT THEY WOULD DO ALONG CHAMBERSBURG IS SERVING AS A PARTIAL MATCH TO THE GRANT THAT WE HAVE TO DO THE CHAMBERSBURG WIDENING, UM, OVER THE, UH, OVER THE TIFF PERIOD. THIS PROJECT AT THE CURRENT NET, UH, AT THE CURRENT RATES WOULD NET THE CITY ABOUT $3.8 MILLION OVER THAT, THAT 30 YEAR PERIOD. UM, BUT, AND WE ARE PROPOSING WE WOULD PUT A TIFF AND USE THOSE TIFF PROCEEDS FOR OTHER, UM, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS IN, IN AND AROUND THE AREA. OKAY. BUT THE PROJECT DID CHANGE FROM WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY, UH, PITCHED? UM, I THINK THERE WAS A HIGHER PROPORTION OF MINIMUM SERVICE PAYMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED, UH, TO THE CITY. UM, THIS, THE LAST, UM, UH, TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO THE DEVELOPER IN APRIL, UM, LAID OUT THAT THE, THE MINIMUM SERVICE PAYMENTS, WHICH ARE FOR THE, THE LENGTH, THE LENGTH OF THE CRA WOULD BE PLEDGED TO HELP OFFSET THE, THE, UH, WELL WOULD BE PLEDGED FOR THE DEBT SERVICE OF THE REVENUE BONDS. AND THEN THE DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, ANY OTHER COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. OKAY. MAYOR? YES, MARK, COULD YOU REMIND US HOW MANY UNITS? UH, 200 AND, UH, 83. AND HOW WOULD THAT COMPARE TO ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH? WOULD IT BE LIKE THE OAKS OR IS IT SMALLER? UM, IT'S, IT'S LARGER THAN THE OAKS. OKAY. UM, UM, LEXINGTON PLACE IS, IS IS BELOW. IT'S SIMILAR TO, TO THAT. OKAY. YEP. AND IN REGARD TO OUR SHARE THIS TAXPAYER SHARE OF REVENUE THAT WOULD COME BACK INTO, UH, OUR FUNDS, WHAT WOULD, UH, LIKE THE APARTMENTS, UH, ONE OF THE PROJECTS ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD YIELD US? SO THE A APART, UM, WELL, DEPENDING ON HOW IT WAS STRUCTURED, UH, SO, SO ON EXECUTIVE, WE'RE LUCKY THAT WE OWN THE LAND. SO WE HAVE THE LAND PROCEEDS, UM, IN, IN MANY CASES THE MINIMUMS. IN MANY CASES WE GET REVENUE SOONER. UM, AND, AND SLIGHTLY MORE SO ON THIS PROJECT, WE WOULD GET SLIGHTLY LESS REVENUE OVER THE LIFE OF THE, OF THE PROJECT. AND COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS? WHAT WHY IS OUR PORTION LESS? UH, BECAUSE WHAT WAS AGREED TO, OR, OR WHAT WAS PROPO IS BEING PROPOSED, NOTHING'S BEEN AGREED TO. WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS THAT THE, UM, THE MINIMUM SERVICE PAYMENTS OF WHICH WOULD BE EQUAL TO WHAT WOULD BE NORMALLY PAID IN PROPERTY TAXES. UM, SO THAT THE HOMEOWNER WOULD NOT HAVE, OR THE HOME BUYER WOULD NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL TAX LIABILITY OVER THE THEM WHAT THEY WOULD FOR THE NORMAL PROPERTY [01:40:01] TAX, UM, IF THERE WAS NO CRA ON THE PROPERTY. SO THAT ALONG WITH, UM, A, A CONSERVATIVE RESERVE IS WHAT IS BEING PLEDGED TO HELP OFFSET WOULD, WOULD BE PLEDGED FOR THE REVENUE BONDS, WHICH HAVE A TERM OF 15 YEARS, WHICH HELPS OFFSET, UH, THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, THE DEVELOPERS, UH, ASKING FOR THAT, UH, MAINLY BECAUSE, UM, WE WOULD HAVE A, A BETTER RATE THAN THEY WOULD GOING OUT ON MARKET. SO IT DOES, IT DOES SAVE THEM SOME, SOME CAPITAL. OKAY. SO IN NO WAY AM I BEING RUDE TO THE DEVELOPER OR ANYONE ELSE, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE OUR SHARE IS LESS SO THEY CAN MAKE MORE THE DEVELOPER PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THAT WOULD BE ACCURATE. THIS WOULD BE, UH, UH, THIS WOULD BE FROM MY, UH, TIME HERE. THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE MORE DEVELOPMENT FRIENDLY FINANCING, UM, UH, PROPOSALS THAT, THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE'VE BEEN A PART OF. AND, AND AGAIN, I'M ASKING WHY, WHY IS THAT? IS IT, IS IT ROCK? IS IT THE, UH, TOPO, UH, IS IT, SO THERE IS SOME HIGHER CONSTRUCTION COSTS DUE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THAT AREA? THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT, UM, THEY HAD CHALLENGES WITH THE CONNECTION BECAUSE THE, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED CONNECTION TO THE NORTH WOULD'VE ACTUALLY BEEN A BRIDGE, NOT JUST A, A BOX CULVERT. SO THERE ARE HIGHER CONSTRUCTION COSTS. I BELIEVE THEY'RE ALSO, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THEIR ABILITY TO RAISE CAPITAL IN THE CURRENT MARKETS. UH, AND, UM, OUR ABILITY WITH PLEDGING NOW, SO WE'RE NOT GUARANTEEING THESE BONDS, UM, BUT THE, UH, THE, THE, OUR ABILITY TO ISSUE THE REVENUE BONDS BY THE PLEDGE OF THE MSP, UH, IS PROVIDES THEM A BETTER RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT. YES. SO JUST REMIND ME, WE DON'T GET A NICKEL OF TIFF UNTIL SOMETHING'S BUILT. CORRECT. AND WE'RE PLEDGING A PORTION OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING BACK TO THE DEVELOPER. WE ARE PURPO, WE ARE, WE, UM, YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. SO ARE WE OBLIGATED, IS WHAT CHRIS AND ANDY PUTTING TOGETHER IN ENSURING THAT WE'RE NOT AT RISK? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. I MA MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE I HAVE HANDS AND EYES ON THAT BEFORE WE VOTE TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THEY'RE PROPOSING. OKAY. OKAY. I THINK THE, THE, I MEAN, I, SO THE TOTAL ACREAGE THERE IS ROUGHLY 350, MAYBE 340 SOME ACRES THAT YEAH. ABOUT THAT. BUT ABOUT 90 ACRES OF IT IS JUST UNDEVELOPABLE. CORRECT. I MEAN, THAT'S 90 ACRES OF IT IS WOODS AND, AND TOPO THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP, WHICH IS WHY, WHAT'S, SINCE I'VE BEEN AROUND AND BEFORE ME, WHAT WAS PROPOSED, UH, IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN A WHILE AGO FOR MY TIME HERE WAS WALKING PATHS AND TRAILS THAT WENT AROUND THE PERIMETER OF, OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS I BELIEVE A FOUR ACRE PARK ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE DEVELOPMENT NEAR ENDICOTT. OKAY. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I, I MEAN, IT KIND OF WHAT I REMEMBER SEEING IN THAT ORIGINAL, IN THAT ORIGINAL PLAN, BUT, BUT ABOUT 90 ACRES OF IT, THEY'RE GIVING BACK TO US BECAUSE IT'S JUST THEY, THERE'S, THEY HAVE TO BUY IT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN REALLY DO WITH IT. CORRECT. IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO MAKE, UH, SOME CONNECTIONS TO EXISTING PARKS AND, AND, AND I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE TAKING IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT IT. RIGHT. IT DOES PROVIDE US A BENEFIT FOR AN AREA THAT IS, I WOULD SAY, UNDER PARKED AS FAR AS SOMETHING OTHER THAN SPORTS FIELDS. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT THE WAR, THE, THE SOCCER FIELDS TO THE, TO THE WEST. SURE. BUT OTHER, THERE, THERE IS NOT REALLY A A, A LARGE-ISH NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING THAT SERVES THAT AREA. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO HOW SOON CAN, CAN WE GET THAT AGREEMENT SO WE CAN, AGAIN, AS MARK SAID, GET, GET EYES ON IT AND EARS ON IT TO UNDERSTAND THAT PIECE OF IT SO WE CAN, WE CAN CHAT, UH, IMMEDIATELY. OKAY. NANCY, UH, WHEN WE HAD OUR ORIGINAL CONVERSATIONS, UM, ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT, THERE WERE CONCERNS RAISED ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT. UH, KE ROSE. MM-HMM. UHHUH . AND IS THAT KE ROSE? MM-HMM. . YEAH. YEP. NO, NO, THE OTHER SIDE. THE OTHER SIDE. SO THERE'S A BIG GRIND ROCKS THERE OR DO SOMETHING. THE ONE THAT'S OFF OF, UH, RIP WRAP. OH, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY FAR AWAY FROM, THAT'S PRETTY FAR AWAY. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. WAS THE CANDY PARK [01:45:01] MOUNTS KATIE GROVE? YEAH. HUH. THE, THE ONLY BUSINESS, UH, THAT IS ADJACENT TO THIS SITE IS, UM, KE ROSE. AND THEN THERE'S A CHURCH THAT, THAT MY UNDERSTANDING KE ROSE IS INTERESTED IN PURCHASING. WELL, YES, ABSOLUTELY. BUT I THOUGHT THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING TO GO CLEAR DOWN TO WHERE THAT, THAT INDUSTRIAL SITE IS. NO, THERE'S A PRETTY BIG BUFFER. UM, YOU'VE GOT ONE OF OUR SEWER LINES THAT, THAT THAT BISECTS THAT, THAT AREA. PLUS THERE'S ALSO THE BUFFER THAT, UM, AND, AND OUR WELL FIELD IS BETWEEN THAT AREA AS WELL. SO NO, IT'S THE ACTUAL ROCK CRUSHING FACILITY. IT'S AT TAYLORSVILLE AND RIP RAP THAT THAT'S, NO ONE HERE WOULD EVER BE BOTHERED BY THAT. IT'S, IT'S A LONG WAY AWAY. OKAY. THANK YOU SCOTT. THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO MARK. YEAH. KAY. ROSE DID PURCHASE ONE LEFT CHURCH, SO THEY HAVE THAT. OKAY. AND THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CLOSED, BUT MY QUESTION WAS, IF WE DO TIE IN THE RUSTIC WOODS OR SANDAL VIEW, IS THAT GONNA BE A GATE WHERE YOU CANNOT DRIVE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NEXT? NO. IN FACT, UM, PART OF THE REASON WE WANT THOSE CONNECTIONS IS IT SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, REDUCES THE TRAVEL TIME FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, AND, AND EVERYBODY ELSE. SO NO, THAT WE WERE NOT PROPOSED TO, TO GATE THOSE BETWEEN THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS MAYOR. I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE BIG DISCUSSIONS WE HAD WAS TRYING TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITIES MORE INTERCONNECTED, CONNECTED YEP. THAN SEGREGATED. SO I THINK THAT'S YES, MARK, THAT WOULDN'T BE UNLIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE AT CARRIAGE TRAILS WITH EXISTING HUBER HEIGHT STREETS. THAT'S CORRECT. AND, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN OTHER AREAS AS WELL. YEAH. LIKE CHARLES GATE. YES. OKAY. UM, THIS DEVELOPER IS BUYING SCRAP LAND BECAUSE HE'S BUYING THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT OFF THE SELLER. YES. AND IN THIS SCRAP LAND, HE WOULDN'T BE PAYING 30,000 AN ACRE, HE IS GONNA BE PAYING SOMETHING FAR LESS PROBABLY. SO THEY, UH, THEY INTIMATED TO ME THAT THEY'RE PAYING, UM, UH, AROUND 24,000 AN ACRE. OKAY. PER ACRE. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, A DEVELOPABLE LOT IS GONNA GO FOR ABOUT 50,000 AN ACRE. YES. AND THEY'RE GONNA GET ABOUT FOUR OF THOSE PER ACRE. THREE OF THOSE, YES. FIVE OF THOSE PER ACRE. UH, MAYOR, I JUST CAUTION US BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A REPUTATION AND WE'RE DEVELOPER FRIENDLY, BUT THERE'S NO DEVELOPER THAT COMES TO VER HEIGHTS THAT DOESN'T KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE BACK TO OUR CITIZENS MONEY. AND THEN WHEN WE NEED TO BUILD A $24 MILLION STREET GARAGE, WE HAVE THE MONEY. SO I WOULD CAUTION US. OKAY. OKAY. SO IS THERE, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, LET ME GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPER AND, UM, UH, EXPRESS, UM, WHAT THE SENTIMENT I'M HEARING AND SEE WHAT WE CAN, UH, DO AS FAR AS, UM, RE YOU KNOW, RENEGOTIATING THE TERMS THAT WERE, THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT BACK IN MAY. YOU JUST NEGOTIATED A 300 ACRE DEAL AND YOU GET TO KEEP ALL THE TIFF MONEY. YEAH, WELL, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM A, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I GO BACK TO, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE FIRST, SO PARKVIEW, THE MULTIFAMILY THERE AT, UM, BRANT AND EXECUTIVE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THINK THE MSS P PAYMENTS TO ON THAT MULTIFAMILY PROJECT WAS, WAS PROBABLY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TIF REVENUE OVER THE, OVER THE COURSE OF THE WHOLE PROJECT, IT WAS ABOUT 4 MILLION, I THINK FOUR AND A HALF MILLION THE BEST IRON. YEP. SO I THINK YEAH, FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF MILLION WERE THE M MSSP PAYMENTS ON THAT PARTICULAR, ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. UM, SO YEAH, I'D, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO BE INVOLVED TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT OUR, WHAT THAT T REVENUE LOOKS LIKE, BE ABLE TO BE COMPARED TO WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY ASKING, AND THEN WHAT THAT NEGOTIATION ROOM LOOKS LIKE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS MARK SAID, WE ARE, WE ARE DEVELOPMENT FRIENDLY. WE WANT TO GROW. WE KNOW, UM, HOUSING STOCK IS IMPORTANT. WE KNOW, UM, THE, THE BIGGEST CONCERN FROM THE DAYTON REALTORS, I MEAN, THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON CHANNEL SEVEN WAS HERE. THE CONCERN OF DAYTON REALTORS IS THAT THEIR, THEIR NUMBER ONE CONCERN WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING AND HOW SURPRISING AND AFFORDABILITY WAS, THERE'S JUST A LACK OF INVENTORY. SO, SO HOUSING IS IMPORTANT, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE STAYING FINANCIALLY AHEAD OF THE GAME IS, IS JUST AS IMPORTANT IF NOT MORE [01:50:01] IMPORTANT, MORE IMPORTANT. SO, UM, SO YEAH, I'D LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT, IN THAT PIECE OF THAT AND, AND WHAT THEIR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE IS AND WHAT THAT NEGOTIATION LOOKS LIKE. OKAY. MAYOR? YES, I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO ADD, WE TALKED ABOUT CONNECTING TO RUSTIC WOOD, BUT THERE WAS A DEEP, LIKE THERE WAS A PROBLEM, THERE'D BE COST OF BRIDGE AND IT WAS IN, IT WAS INEFFECTIVE FINANCIALLY FOR THEM TO CONNECT THERE, BUT MAYBE AT SANDAL VIEW AND SANDAL VIEW WAS TOO NARROW. THAT'S WHAT I RECALL FROM YEP. THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION. I MEAN, AND I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION, BUT I REALLY LIKE THEM TO CONNECT IN SOME WAY BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE MOVING THE CON MOVING IN IS ALLEVIATES THE MAIN ROADS. SURE. AND, AND AARON SAID THAT'S PHASE FIVE, SO THEY WERE GONNA COME BACK AND, BUT 'CAUSE WE EACH, EACH PHASE WOULD HAVE A, WOULD HAVE A NEW DETAILED PLAN OR A NEW AGREEMENT. CORRECT. AND, AND THE BONDS WOULD BE ISSUED SEPARATELY FOR EACH PHASE PHASE ALL UPFRONT. SO WE WOULD KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THAT PHASE, WHAT THAT CONNECTION LOOKED LIKE BEFORE THAT LAST PHASE WAS APPROVED. PARDON. GREAT. THANK YOU. MAYOR. WE'RE BUILDING HOW MANY HOMES ON HOW MANY ACRES? JUST ROUGHLY 2 83 ON ABOUT, UH, THREE HUN WELL, 2 83 ON ABOUT 150 SOME ODD ACRES, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. AND WE'RE TALKING FIVE PHASES. YEAH. WOW. I THINK THE FIRST PHASE IS 45 UNITS. UM, WELL I HAVE THEM BROKEN DOWN. IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, AND AND WHAT WAS CHANNEL SEVEN TALKING ABOUT? LOW INVENTORY? YES. LOW INVENTORY. MM-HMM. . THEY, THEY'RE, THEY IN DEMAND. THEY HAVE A, THEY THEY HAVE A STORY THAT'S BEING, UM, THAT WAS GENERATED BASED OFF OF A CONVERSATION FROM THE DAYTON REALTORS THAT THEIR BIG CONCERN AND WHAT'S DRIVING PRICES IN, IN OUR AREA, NOT SPECIFICALLY RIGHTS, BUT IN THE OVERALL DAYTON AREA, IS LACK OF INVENTORY OF HOUSING. WHICH WOULD ALMOST MAKE YOU THINK THAT THAT'D BE DONE IN ONE PHASE AND BE DONE. THAT'S NOT A VERY BIG PROJECT AT ALL. NO, THEY SHOULD, NO. YEAH. EACH PHASE IS BETWEEN 40 AND 70 UNITS. AREN'T THEY CUSTOM HOMES? NO. EH, IT, THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A CATALOG. UM, THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A PRETTY DEEP CATALOG, BUT THEY STILL HAVE A CATALOG OF WHAT THEY, THEY HAVE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT FULL CUSTOM. IS THIS THE ORIGINAL PERSON THAT WE TALKED TO ABOUT? SO IT'S A NEW ONE. SO THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS A CUSTOM DEVELOPED CUS CUSTOM STICK BUILD. I MEAN D DR. HORTON IS THE, LAR IS THE SINGLE LARGEST HOME BUILDER IN THE COUNTRY. SO THERE WAS A, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A PREVIOUS, LIKE THE PREVIOUS PERSON WE TALKED TO WAS A STICK-BUILT AND THERE WERE ESTATES. NO, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE THIS, THAT'S WHY SO THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER WAS LOCAL, UM, LOCAL-ISH, UM, WHO WAS ALSO WORKING WITH DR. HORTON AS THE HOME BUILDER. THAT DEAL FELL THROUGH. SO DR. HORTON'S DEVELOPMENT ARM FOUR STAR GOT AN OPTION ON THIS PROPERTY. UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. THAT'S WHERE, OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, SO WE WANT TO HOLD ON. YEAH, I THINK, UM, WE WILL, WE WILL PUSH THIS OFF UNTIL WE GET INFORMATION BACK FROM THE DEVELOPER AND, UM, AND KIND OF SEE, SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE, AND THEN WE'LL, THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK. SO PROBABLY EXPECT THIS, SEE THIS SOMETIME IN JANUARY. UM, YEAH, IF NOT, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. NEXT [ YMCA Ground Lease Modification] UP IS ITEM THREE P, WHICH IS THE YMCA GROUND LEASE MODIFICATION. WE'RE DONE. . UH, SO, UH, I THINK MOST OF YOU'RE AWARE THAT, UH, THE YMCA IS, IS EXPANDING, AND SO PART OF THEIR EXPANSION IS IT REQUIRES, UH, FINANCING. UH, AND SO WE HAVE A LONG-TERM GROUND LEASE. THEY OWN THE BUILDING, WE OWN THE LAND. UH, SO WE ARE, UH, BEING ASKED TO MODIFY OUR, OUR GROUND LEASE SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE ON DEBT AS LONG AS, AS WELL AS THE, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIRED MORTGAGES FOR THIS EXPANSION. UM, WE'VE DONE THIS, UH, TWICE BEFORE THE LAST TIME WAS IN 2017, SO THIS IS KIND OF MORE OF THE SAME TO ALLOW THE Y TO EXPAND AND, AND GET OUTSIDE FINANCING FOR THAT EXPANSION. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTION? OKAY. [ 2025 Annual Legislation] AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE Q, WHICH IS THE 2025 ANNUAL LEGISLATION. , JIM'S, LIKE FINALLY, , UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. OH, YES. THIS IS, UM, ANNUAL LEGISLATION, UH, NOT OUR ANNUAL APPROPRIATION LEGISLATION, WHICH WILL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THIS IS ANNUAL LEGISLATION RELATING TO, UM, UH, VENDORS THAT WE USE THAT THE, THE STAFF USES. AND IT IS A LONG LIST OF VENDORS. THERE'S A TOTAL OF, I BELIEVE, 53 VENDORS ON HERE. AND, AND PART OF THE REASON, UH, THIS LEGISLATION WAS STARTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO WAS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE, UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME, UH, I THINK [01:55:01] LEGISLATION, UH, JUST AFTER THIS ON, LIKE NOT TO EXCEED LEGISLATION. SO WE ALWAYS, UH, HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU EVERY TIME SOMETHING EXCEEDS THE PURCHASING GUIDELINES. AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TALKED TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. GIVE US ALL OF YOUR VENDORS THAT YOUR, YOUR PREFERRED VENDORS, VENDORS THAT WE USE, UM, THAT, THAT ARE VERY UNIQUE TO, UM, UH, THE, THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE IN EACH DEPARTMENT, AND ALSO VENDORS THAT ARE GOING TO EXCEED THE PURCHASING LIMIT, WHICH IS $75,000. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS LIST IS COMPOSED OF. UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT MOST OF THESE ITEMS, UH, MOST OF THESE VENDORS ARE ONES THAT WE'VE, UH, THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. UH, THERE'S JUST EVERY SO OFTEN, UM, THERE'S, UM, NEW ONES THAT POP UP. UM, YOU KNOW, SECURE CYBER IS ONE THAT JUST POPPED UP ON THIS ONE BECAUSE IT HADN'T, WE HADN'T USED THEM BEFORE, BUT NOW WE ARE USING THEM, OBVIOUSLY, AND THAT'S NOT ONE THAT WE WILL WANT TO GO OUT AND BID FOR BECAUSE THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH OUR SYSTEM. SO, UM, THAT'S WHY, UH, I'M BRINGING THESE TO YOU AS, UM, LEGISLATION THAT WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE, SO WE CAN, UH, SO IF THERE'S ANY EXPENSES ON THESE PARTICULAR VENDORS, WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU DURING THE YEAR WITH ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION. SO IT'S, UM, IT'S A MATTER OF, UH, EXPEDITING, UH, SOME WORK AND BEING MORE EFFICIENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. JIM. ANY QUESTIONS? BACK IN THE OLD DAY, WE, WE USED TO, UH, DO EACH OF THESE AS AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM OF LEGISLATION. YES, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS. OKAY. . OKAY. ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE THIS ON. NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE [ Increase Not To Exceed Amount - T&W General Services, LLC - Planning Department] R, WHICH IS THE INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR TW GENERAL SERVICES, LLC FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. YEP. THIS IS, UH, SIMPLY TO INCREASE OUR AUTHORITY, UM, TO, UH, WHAT WAS IT, TO, UH, $47,000. WE USE T UH, T AND W FOR NUISANCE MOWING, BASICALLY NUISANCE ABATEMENT FOR MOWING. WE'VE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL EXPENSES THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE. WE'VE ALSO BEEN MORE AGGRESSIVE, UH, WITH GOING OUT AND, AND BEING MORE PROACTIVE IN, IN CLEARING VACANT PROPERTIES AND, AND MAKING SURE THE NEIGHBORHOODS LOOK GOOD. UH, SO THIS WILL GET US THROUGH THE REST OF THE YEAR. UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING A, A SLIGHTLY HIGHER, UH, AMOUNT OF, UM, PROACTIVENESS WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, OUR, OUR CARE AND FEEDING OF, OF NEIGHBORHOODS MOVING FORWARD. SO, UM, YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING ELSE AGAIN. MM-HMM. , I THINK I, YOU KNOW, I, I GET A LOT OF, UM, PRIVATE COMMUNICATION FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SEE A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA DRIVEN FRUSTRATION ABOUT YELLOW SIGNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WHO ARE SEEING FASTER SERVICE DONE AND THOSE YARDS BEING CUT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, THOSE PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH THEY AREN'T PUBLICLY PROFESSING THEIR HAPPINESS, THEY ARE, I ASSURE YOU, THEY'RE HAPPY THAT, THAT THOSE THINGS ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF. UM, SO I, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I KNOW WE'VE, WITH, WITH DON, UM, MILLARD, I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY BEEN MORE ACTIVE IN, IN GETTING THOSE THINGS DONE. SO I'M, I, FOR ONE, AM THANKFUL FOR THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY. NEXT IS ITEM THREE [ Increase Not To Exceed Amount - Lennon & Company, CPA] S, WHICH IS THE INCREASE ON TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR LINEN AND COMPANY CPA. UH, YES. THIS IS, UH, SIMILAR LANGUAGE LIKE I JUST, UH, TOLD YOU ABOUT ON THE ANNUAL LEGISLATION. AND, UH, LENON AND COMPANY IS THE FIRM THAT I USE, UH, HAVE USED IN THE, UH, 13 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE TO, UH, HELP US TO PREPARE THE, UH, FER. AND SO THIS YEAR, BECAUSE OF ALL THE COMPLICATIONS FROM THE CYBER ATTACK, UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE FER IS NOT QUITE READY ALMOST. UM, ACTUALLY, UM, LENNON UM, CONTACTED ME TODAY AND SAID THAT THEY ARE FILING THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS WITH THE AUDITOR STATE'S OFFICE TODAY. SO THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF IT. AND THEN THE NEXT PART, PROBABLY BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH, MAYBE EVEN BEFORE THE END OF THIS WEEK, WE'LL HAVE THE, UH, ACT FOR COMPLETE. AND THEN OF COURSE, AT THAT POINT, THEN YOU HAVE TO SEND IT TO THE AUDITORS. AND SO, UH, BY THE TIME WE HAVE AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, IT COULD BE, UH, TWO TO THREE WEEKS INTO FEBRUARY. UH, I'M NOT FEBRUARY, UH, DECEMBER. OKAY, DECEMBER. SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY A VERY STRANGE YEAR. VERY, UM, UNUSUAL, UH, YOU DON'T SEE LIKE THAT. IT'S NEVER HAPPENED IN, IN MY CAREER. SO, UM, UH, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S ALL THE COMPLICATIONS THAT, UH, HAVE CAUSED, UH, BEEN CAUSED BY THAT CYBER ATTACK. OKAY. A LOT OF DELAYS. SO, UH, BECAUSE OF ALL THE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT HE'S PUT IN, UM, UH, I'M ASKING COUNSEL IF WE COULD INCREASE, UM, THE AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD PAY HIM BY $5,000, UH, TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. I THINK THAT'S VERY REASONABLE REQUEST, UH, ON HIS PART. AND, UM, I THINK IT'S THE, THE LEAST WE COULD DO TO, FOR ALL THE EXTRA, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES AND THE COMPLICATIONS [02:00:01] WE'VE CAUSED THERE FIRM THIS YEAR. OKAY. SHORT OF THE, UM, THE NEW FINANCIAL SOFTWARE AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, ARE, ARE WE KIND OF COMING, ARE WE GETTING CLOSE TO BEING ABLE TO SAY WE'RE CLOSING THE CHAPTER ON OUR, ON OUR SECURITY BREACH? I CAN ANSWER THAT, YEAH. YEAH. SO, I MEAN, I MET WITH HR TODAY. WE ARE GETTING READY TO SUBMIT A PRETTY HEALTHY PACKAGE TO INSURANCE FOR REIMBURSEMENT. WE KNOW THAT WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET TOTAL REIMBURSEMENT FROM THAT. RIGHT. BUT WE ARE ALMOST DONE WITH EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING'S TOGETHER. WE'RE GETTING READY TO SUBMIT ALL THAT, SO, OKAY, GOOD. THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT CHAPTER WE WOULD ALL LIKE TO FORGET SOON. BUT I, I WILL SAY, I MEAN, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA HEAR THE END OF IT. I MEAN, SURE. THAT, THAT BREACH HAPPENS. DAVE'S IN MY EAR EVERY DAY JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO BE VIG VIGILANT AND MM-HMM. , STAY AHEAD OF THE GAME. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT SOME, UH, CONTRACT WORK NEXT YEAR WITH, UH, SECURE CYBER, AND WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER THINGS WE'RE GONNA DO TO KIND OF BOLSTER THAT. BUT ONCE THAT ATTACK HAPPENS, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU EVER TRULY GET AWAY FROM IT, BUT WE'LL TRY AND NOT BRING IT TO YOU . SURE. I WELL, I JUST, BECAUSE, JUST, I THINK IT WAS JUST LAST NIGHT ON, UH, WDTN RIGHT THERE, THEY HAD THE STORY THEY DID REGARDING THE, THE NEW COLLECTIVE KIND OF THING THAT, AND I SAW, I SAW SEAN ON THE NEWS. YEP. AND I ALSO, YOU KNOW, SAW US BEING REFERRED TO AS HOOVER HEIGHTS. THAT WAS KIND OF, THAT WAS INTERESTING FROM THE, THE NEWS REPORTER. SO YEAH, I WAS LIKE W-W-W-H-O-B-E-R. IS THAT, YEAH. SO, YEAH, HOER HEIGHTS, I WILL SAY I GOT AN EMAIL AND I, I, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE, I COULD HAVE FORWARDED IT TO ALL OF YOU, BUT, UH, SECURE CYBER HAS HAD NOTHING BUT GLOWING REVIEWS FROM DAVE AND HIS WHOLE STAFF. AND I MEAN, I JUST GOT A PRETTY LENGTHY EMAIL LAST WEEK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WORK THEY'VE DONE, THE, THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE. AND I THINK WE'RE, I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE COME OUTTA THIS STRONGER AND BETTER ON THE OTHER. SO DAVE STILL HAPPY WITH THE WORK HE'S DOING? YES. YES. AND WE'RE GONNA BOLSTER THAT, THAT STAFFING, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR. SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TRY AND HELP AND, AND KIND OF MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE. WE'RE GONNA TRY AND GET TO THAT POINT. PERFECT. OKAY. THANKS SEAN. THANKS JOHN. YES. HEY, AS WE'RE PLANNING FOR NEXT YEAR, REMEMBER SEAN SAID HE WOULD BE WILLING TO COME IN AND DO A COUPLE CITIZEN TRAININGS ON HOW THEY CAN BETTER. FOR SURE. FOR SURE. SO MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE ON. SINCE WE'RE PAYING THIS MONEY OUT, WE MIGHT AS WELL GET SOME BENEFIT TO OUR CITIZENS. FOR SURE. GOOD REMINDER. YES, I REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT THAT. SO, THANKS. OKAY. ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY. AND NEXT [ Supplemental Appropriations] IS ITEM THREE T, WHICH IS THE SUPPLEMENTALS, UM, FOR THIS AGENDA, JIM? YES. UH, JUST HAVE A FEW ITEMS, UH, FOR THE, UH, BUDGET CHANGES. UH, WE CALL 'EM SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS. AND THE, UH, THE FIRST ONE I'D LIKE TO PRESENT IS, UH, $12,007 AND 6 CENTS. AND THAT IS, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSISTANCE GRANT THAT, UH, SO WE HAVE A SPECIAL FUND FOR THOSE GRANT DOLLARS, AND THAT MONEY IS FOR POLICE, UH, TRAINING. SO I HAVE TO TAKE THE GRANT MONEY, PUT IT INTO THAT FUND, AND THEN, AND THEN THAT'S A TRANSFER OUT TO THE POLICE FUND TO REIMBURSE THE POLICE FUND FOR THE, UM, GRANT, OR I'M SORRY FOR THE TRAINING THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN ON. SO I NEED TO INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR THAT, UH, IN ORDER FOR THAT TO BE DONE. NEXT ITEM IS $19,200 FOR CONTINUED HYBRID, UH, CLOUD HOSTING. SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS OUR CURRENT SOFTWARE PROVIDER FOR FINANCE FUNCTIONS, PAYROLL FUNCTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, LAST YEAR WHEN THE ATTACK HIT, UM, THEY DID NOT HAVE, UM, CLOUD HOSTING. AND SO THEY DID HAVE A HYBRID PRODUCT. AND SO WE'RE NOW GOING THROUGH A WHOLE SOFTWARE RFP PROCESS, WHICH, UH, I THINK WILL BE COMING TO COUNCIL MAYBE IN JANUARY WITH THE FINAL DECISION ON THAT. UH, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, UH, THIS IS THE END OF THE FIRST YEAR OF THE HYBRID HOSTING. AND SO WE NEED TO RENEW THAT HYBRID HOSTING. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I DID NOT HAVE IN THE 24 BUDGET. 'CAUSE AT THAT TIME IT WAS, UH, JUST BRAND NEW TO US. SO 19,200 FOR THAT, UH, $25,000 FOR TEMPORARY ACCOUNTING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING ON, AND I THINK AT THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL HAVE, ONE OF THE POSITIONS THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT IS ANOTHER HIGHER LEVEL ACCOUNTING POSITION IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. IN THE MEANTIME, ALEX AND I HAVE GOT TOGETHER AND DECIDED IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BRING SOMEBODY ON NOW, LIKE ON A TEMPORARY BASIS TO HELP US GET THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR AND SOME OF THE DELAYS THAT WE'RE STILL SEEING. AND SO, UH, WE THINK THAT'LL GET US THROUGH, UH, THE END OF THE YEAR. DEFINITELY, UH, MAY NOT SPEND ALL OF THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE ON THE HIGH SIDE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERED FOR THAT. AND, UM, NEXT ITEM IS, UM, NOW THAT WE'VE DONE THE NOTES IN JULY AND IN, UH, NOVEMBER, I NOW KNOW WHAT THE, UH, PRINCIPAL INTEREST AND ISSUANCE COSTS FOR THOSE NOTES ARE. AND SO THAT'S $391,600 BETWEEN THE TWO SETS OF NOTES. AND SO THAT WAS NOT, UH, IN THE BUDGET. SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY, 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, SO I'M ASKING [02:05:01] FOR COUNCIL TO ADD THAT AT THIS TIME. AND THEN THE, UH, AGREEMENT, UH, THE DECK SETTLEMENT FROM THE 20TH, UH, AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, THAT COUNCIL APPROVED ON, UH, AUGUST 26TH. UH, THEY, UH, WE JUST, UH, ISSUED THE NOTES EARLIER IN NOVEMBER, BUT, UH, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BUDGET, WE DID NOT HAVE THAT BUDGETED TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT TO DECK. AND SO THAT WOULD BE A ADDITIONAL $6 MILLION. IT'S NOT REALLY A FISCAL IMPACT ON THE BUDGET, UH, PER SE, BECAUSE WE JUST DID NOTES FOR THAT. SO THOSE $6 MILLION OF NOTES COVERS THIS EXPENSE. SO WHEN YOU SEE, UM, MY TOTAL FISCAL IMPACT, UH, FOR ALL OF THESE IS $435,800. BY, BY THAT I MEAN, THAT'S A TOTAL, UM, IMPACT OF EXPENSE ON THE BUDGET. SO THE $6 MILLION IS NOT PART OF THAT BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE REVENUE COVERING THAT. OKAY. SO, JIM, JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS THIS NOT DOLLAR WISE, THE NEW ACCOUNTING, THE HIGHER LEVEL ACCOUNTING PERSON THAT WE'RE GETTING FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT, HOW, HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO HELP YOU AND WHAT, OH, IT'S GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS HELP FOR US. UM, WE ARE, UM, UH, BEHIND ON SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET, UH, CAUGHT UP ON. AND, UM, BECAUSE OF ALL THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS JUST GROWING LIKE CRAZY AND, AND THAT IMPACTS THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE. IT'S EASIER TO SEE IMPACTS ON THE POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC WORKS. AND SO, UM, ALEX AND I, UH, UH, TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH JOHN, AND JOHN'S DEFINITELY ON BOARD WITH, UM, BRINGING A, A MORE HIGHER LEVEL PERSON, UH, TO THE, UM, ABOUT, TO THE LEVEL OF OUR ASSISTANT, UH, FINANCE DIRECTOR, UH, THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AND THERE'S JUST SOME HIGH LEVEL THINGS THAT ARE MUCH MORE OF A NEED THAN WE HAVE FOR LOWER LEVEL ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, FUNCTIONS IN THE FINANCE, UH, OFFICE. WELL, AND I KNOW YOU, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED, AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL PART OF ALL GROWING PAINS IS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO, TO HANDLE THESE THINGS. BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS IMPORTANT. WE SEE THE IMPACTS AND WHAT WE NEED IN THE POLICE AND FIRE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WHAT WE DON'T REALLY SEE EVERY DAY IS EVERYBODY THAT WORKS UPSTAIRS, RIGHT? THE INTERNAL WORK IN THE CITY HALL AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE THAT ARE COMING TO WORK EIGHT TO FIVE, GETTING THOSE JOBS DONE. I MEAN, THAT IS IT, IT DOES IMPACT THEM AS WELL TOO. SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO HEAR WHAT WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT YOU NEED, BUT I, I LIKE HEARING FROM YOU WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THAT'S GONNA HAVE ON, ON YOUR EVERYDAY WORK AND, AND, AND HOW THAT'S GONNA HELP YOUR DEPARTMENT RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY. BECAUSE FROM A FINANCING STANDPOINT, THAT'S AN AREA WE JUST CAN'T BE BEHIND. AND, AND I WOULD SAY THAT IN MY 13 YEARS HERE, WHAT I HAVE TRIED TO DO IS BRING ON FIRMS LIKE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UM, UM, UH, LENNON, A COMPANY THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT FOR A VERY REASONABLE COST, UH, MUCH LESS THAN AN ACTUAL PERSON. WE USED TO HAVE THE ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR COMPLETELY DO ALL OF THAT IN-HOUSE. AND IT JUST, AS WE GOT BUSIER AND BUSIER IN FINANCE, IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. WHEN WE CAN FARM THAT OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE THIRD OF THE COST OF A, OF A, A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE. IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE. AND, AND I'VE, UM, CONTRACTED WITH SOME OTHER FIRMS FOR, UM, UH, CASH ANALYSIS FOR, UM, UH, DEBT MANAGEMENT. THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME VERY REASONABLE COSTS, UH, MUCH LESS THAN A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE. UM, AND, AND UP TO NOW, UM, OUR PREVIOUS CITY MANAGERS HAVE, UH, NOT BEEN, UM, UH, WILLING TO INCREASE THE STAFF IN THE FINANCE OFFICE. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, WORKING WITH JOHN AND AARON AND ALEX AND, UH, AND SEEING THE NEED AND, UM, UH, AND APPRECIATE THAT SO MUCH. BUT, UM, I HAVE TRIED TO MAKE THOSE EFFORTS WITHOUT HIRING OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS. WELL, I, I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR DESIRE TO BE AS EFFICIENT AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE IN, IN, IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. I THINK WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THE WORK IS THAT YOU DO. AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M NOTICING MORE GRAY HAIR NOW THAN I DID WHEN I STARTED HERE OR NOT, BUT MAYBE , I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE. DEFINITELY . I KNOW I'VE GOTTEN SOME, I KNOW I'VE GOTTEN SOME, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF, UH, IF, IF, IF I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND WATCH SOME MOTOR VIDEOS WHEN I FIRST STARTED AND SEEING MY GRANDCHILDREN TELL ME HOW, HOW MUCH GREATER . BUT, UH, BUT I, I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. THANK YOU. AND, AND I THINK INCREASING THAT STAFF, IT'S, IT'S TIME. IT'S TIME THAT WE DO THAT. SO, SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, SCOTT, THAT'S HOW I REMEMBER YOU. I DON'T, AND, AND OF COURSE TONY ALWAYS WANTS ME TO SAY THAT, UH, WE WOULD NEED, UH, UH, WHAT TO SUSPEND, UH, AND HAVE TWO RE WAIT THE SECOND READING, WAIT, THE SECOND READING ON MONDAY. OH, YEAH. OKAY. UM, I, I KNOW, UH, THEY'RE EXPECTING THIS PAYMENT BEFORE THE END OF NOVEMBER. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. ANY OBJECTION, LEMME JUST FORWARD AND WAIV THE SECOND READING FOR JIM. OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE THAT ON. NEXT IS [ County Assessments Authorization - Grass/Trash/Property Maintenance/Delinquent Utilities] ITEM THREE U, WHICH IS THE COUNTY ASSESSMENT AUTHORIZATION. THIS IS FOR, UH, GRASS TRASH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, AND DELINQUENT UTILITIES. UH, YES. UM, WE'VE GOT, UH, ONE LAST CHANCE TO SEND, UH, ASSESSMENTS, [02:10:01] UH, TO THE COUNTY. UM, UH, THEY LIKE TO GET EVERYTHING IN SEPTEMBER, BUT I'VE HAD A SPECIAL, UH, DISCUSSION WITH, UH, THE GENTLEMAN DOWN THERE AT MONTGOMERY COUNTY. AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, UH, ONCE AGAIN, I HATE BRINGING UP THE, THE CYBER ATTACK, BUT WE HAVE, YOU PROBABLY NOTICED WE'VE NOT BROUGHT ANY DELINQUENT UTILITY, UM, ASSESSMENTS TO, UM, COUNSEL THIS YEAR. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY HAD QUITE A DELAY. WE WERE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, UM, OH YEAH, WE EXTENDED THOSE PAYMENT TERMS. YES, WE HAD GRACE FOR THEM FOR 3, 4, 5 MONTHS MAYBE. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT. AND SO NOW IT'S, IT'S, UM, YOU SAY, TIME TO PAY THE PIPER, RIGHT? SO, UM, SO THOSE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CATCH UP ON THEIR ACCOUNTS THAT WE'RE NOW GOING TO DO PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENTS ON THAT, AND IT REALLY ISN'T AS LARGE AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE. OKAY. SO, UM, UH, THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY, SO EVERY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS WE HAVE GRASS ASSESSMENTS, UM, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, UM, AND, UM, I THINK THAT ABOUT COVERS IT. BUT, UM, YEAH, IT IS, IT IS IN YOUR PACKET ALL THE DETAILS. UH, SOME OF 'EM ARE QUITE SMALL AMOUNTS AND, UM, THEY ARE ALLOWING US, IF WE PASS THIS ON MONDAY NIGHT, THAT, UH, THEY SAID THAT THEY COULD, THEY STILL HAVE A MONTH THAT THEY CAN GET IT ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILLS FOR JANUARY. SO THAT WAY IT DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT A WHOLE NOTHER YEAR AND BE ON THE PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENTS IN 2026. OKAY. THANKS JIM. QUESTIONS? MM-HMM. YES, ANITA, REALLY ODD QUESTION. YOU CAN GIMME THE REASON WHY, BUT I'VE NOTICED ON SOME OF THOSE OVER THE YEARS, IT'S LIKE A DOLLAR 20 CENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. WOULD IT BE WORTH OUR WHILE TO JUST SAY IF IT'S UNDER A CERTAIN AMOUNT, WE JUST DON'T GO AFTER? I MEAN, THERE REACHES A POINT THAT DOING THE PAPERWORK TO DO THAT FOR SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT IS ACTUALLY NOT WORTH IT. AND, AND THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE. AND, AND WHAT I POINT OUT IS WHAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING IS THEY MIGHT HAVE WATER OF A DOLLAR 20, SEWER MIGHT BE $75, AND STORM WATER MIGHT BE $30. SO COMBINED ON THAT ONE ADDRESS IS, IS, UH, QUITE A BIT. OKAY. UH, MUCH MORE WORTHWHILE THAN A DOLLAR. SO YEAH, I'VE JUST SEEN SOME OF THEM AND IT'S LIKE, THIS IS SUCH A PLY AMOUNT THAT THE PAPERWORK ALONE WOULD BE I AGREE WITH YOU, I AGREE WITH YOU, AND I'LL, I'LL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT PROCESS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UNDER $10. OKAY. SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST TO JIM'S POINT REAL QUICK. SO, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, ANITA, BUT, SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, 40 37 NAVAJO, THE WATER IS $3, BUT IF YOU GO TO SEWER, IT'S $210. SO, I MEAN, I, I, I SEE JIM'S POINT THERE TOO, JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY THAT. AND THIS WOULD ALSO NEED THE, UH, SECOND READING WAIVED, UH, YES, IT PASSED AS A EMERGENCY. YES, IT IS AN ORDINANCE. SO, UM, WE WOULD NEED SECOND READING WAIVED BECAUSE I WAS TOLD BY MONTGOMERY COUNTY IF WE PASS IT HERE IN NOVEMBER, THAT THEY WILL, THEY WILL PUT IT ON THE, UM, UH, THE ASSESSMENTS IN JANUARY AND THEY WON'T MAKE US WAIT IN THAT YEAR. THAT WOULD REQUIRE EMERGENCY LEGISLATION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS EFFECTIVE, UH, IMMEDIATELY. IT DOES SAY DECLARING AN EMERGENCY ON THE LEGISLATION. YES. SO WAIVE THE SECOND READING AND DECLARE AN EMERGENCY. OKAY. ANY OBJECTIONS? THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT [ 2025 Montgomery County Public Defender Agreement] UP IS ITEM THREE V, THE 2025 MONTGOMERY COUNTY PUBLIC'S DEFENDER AGREEMENT. OKAY, I, UH, BROUGHT THIS ITEM TO YOU LAST TIME, BUT AT THE TIME OF THE MEETING, WE DID NOT HAVE THE, UH, AGREEMENT ITSELF WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY. UH, COUNSEL HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THE 2025 AGREEMENT FOR MIAMI COUNTY. SO I'M BRINGING THIS HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. UH, THE RATE FOR 2025 FOR THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY PUBLIC DEFENDER CONTRACT WOULD BE $245 AND 97 CENTS PER CASE. UH, THAT'S AN INCREASE OF $6 PER CASE OVER THE 2024 RATE. SO, UH, WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, UH, LIKE TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY SO THAT WE COULD HAVE THIS IN PLACE, UH, EFFECTIVE JANUARY ONE FOR, UH, PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NEED THESE SERVICES. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD WHEN TONY STARTS TALKING IN A MEETING. 'CAUSE THAT MEANS WE'RE ALMOST DONE . I GOT QUITE A FEW HERE TODAY, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. YEP. I SAID ALMOST ANY OBJECTIONS OR ANY QUESTIONS OR OBJECTIONS. OKAY. WE'LL SEE THAT ON MONDAY. [ 2025 Law Director Contract] NEXT IS THE, UH, ITEM THREE W, WHICH IS A 2025 LAW DIRECTOR CONTRACT, TONY. OKAY. SO THIS AGENDA ITEM IS THE CONTRACT RENEWAL FOR 2025 FOR THE CITY'S LAW DIRECTOR, UH, CHRISTOPHER CONARD AND, UH, COOLIDGE WALL. UH, THE CURRENT CONTRACT TERMINATES ON DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR. UH, THE 2025 PROPOSED CONTRACT WITH COOLIDGE WALL RETAINS THE SAME TERMS IN, UH, UH, RATES AS THE THE EXISTING 2024 CONTRACT. YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT, UH, COOLIDGE WALL BECAME OUR LAW DIRECTOR ABOUT MID-YEAR, UH, ABOUT APRIL 1ST, UH, OF THIS YEAR. SO WE JUST HAD A PARTIAL YEAR THIS YEAR. UH, THIS WOULD BE A FULL TERM YEAR, UM, AND, UM, WOULD ASK FOR COUNSEL'S [02:15:01] APPROVAL ON MONDAY. SARAH'S HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY, UH, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONTRACT ITSELF. UH, SHOULD, SHOULD SARAH LEAVE THE ROOM? OH, I'M JUST KIDDING. . ANY QUE YES, ANITA. EXCUSE ME. SO DOES THIS NOW, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CROSSOVER PERIOD, ARE WE THEN DONE WITH ELENE SCHAFER? NO, THEY'RE STILL PROVIDING LEGAL SERVICES FOR A COUPLE UNTIL THOSE OTHER TWO LAWSUITS ARE DONE. YOU'RE STILL GONNA PAY. OKAY. FEDERAL CHAFER. SO WE HAVE TWO, TWO OUTSTANDING LAWSUITS UNTIL THEY'RE DONE. YOU'LL STILL SEE THEM ON THE BUS BECAUSE I KNEW THERE WAS A CROSSOVER PERIOD FOR A WHILE AND OKAY. YEAH, THAT, THAT ENDED PRETTY QUICKLY EXCEPT FOR THE TWO CASES THAT JOHN'S TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. SO THOSE ARE, UH, THOSE FEES FOR, UH, P, S AND E ARE STILL PAID OUT OF THE LEGAL BUDGET, BUT SEPARATE FROM THIS AGREEMENT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? I WOULD SAY WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR. I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICES THAT THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING AND, AND WHAT I'VE SEEN. UM, SO I'M VERY PLEASED. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OBJECTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THIS ON. NEXT [ 2025 MVRPC/First Suburbs Consortium Appointments] SAYS ITEM THREE X, THE 2020 FIFTH X, BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HAD THAT. YEAH. 2025 M-V-R-P-C FIRST SUBURBS CONSORTIUM APPOINTMENTS. OKAY. OKAY. SO EACH YEAR I COME BEFORE YOU, UH, TO DISCUSS APPOINTMENTS TO BOTH THE MIAMI VALLEY REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION AND FIRST SUBURBS CONSORTIUM. SO, UM, WE'LL START FIRST WITH, UH, MIAMI VALLEY REGIONAL, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, THE CITY COUNCIL GETS TO APPOINT ONE REPRESENTATIVE AND ONE ALTERNATE REPRESENTATIVE FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO THE M-V-R-P-C. AND, UH, WE ALSO APPOINT A, UM, THE CITY ENGINEER, RUSS BERGMAN IS A REPRESENTATIVE. AND THEN ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER IS THE ALTERNATE REPRESENTATIVE TO WHAT'S CALLED THE M-V-R-P-C TECH ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH HANDLES SOME OF THE MORE TECHNICAL ASPECTS, UH, FOR THIS YEAR. AND, UH, I THINK SEVERAL YEARS, UH, NANCY HAS SERVED AS THE COUNCIL, UH, REPRESENTATIVE, UH, TO THE M-V-R-P-C. DON HAS BEEN THE, UH, ALTERNATE REPRESENTATIVE. AND THEN, UH, WE HAD ON THE TECH ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AS I MENTIONED, RUSS BERGMAN IS THE REPRESENTATIVE. AND THEN AARON IS THE CURRENT, UH, ALTERNATE REPRESENTATIVE. SO, UM, COUNSEL CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION IF THEY'D LIKE THOSE TO REMAIN THE SAME AS THEY WERE FOR THIS YEAR, OR IF THEY'D LIKE TO, UH, DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY FOR 2025. OKAY. SO I WOULD JUST SAY, SO FOR M-V-R-P-C, UM, NANCY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'D STILL WANT TO CONTINUE? YES, ABSOLUTELY. DON, IS IT SOMETHING YOU'D WANNA CONTINUE AS, UH, AS THE ALTERNATIVE VRPC? YES. AND, UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO COMPLIMENT COUNCILWOMAN BURGE ON AN OUTSTANDING JOB. SHE IS VERY, VERY INVOLVED WITH M-M-V-R-P-C. THANK YOU. SHE DOES A GREAT JOB. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UM, TO NANCY AND DON SERVING IN THAT CAPACITY? OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE THAT ON. AND THEN NEXT, UH, FIRST SUB FIRST SUBURBS CONSORTIUM APPOINTMENTS. I KNOW, UM, ANITA HAD REACHED OUT AND SHE'S, UH, INTERESTED IN CONTINUING HER ROLE ON FIRST TIER SUBURBS, AND I BELIEVE, UM, LOOKING TO BE THE CHAIR OF THAT, UH, THE, THE, THE CHAIR OF FIRST TIER? CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, WAS IT, SO WE HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES, THE FIRST TIER YEP. AND ONE ALTERNATE. AND I THINK, SCOTT, YOU WERE THE, THE OTHER ALTERNATE, YOU WERE THE ALTERNATE. FRED WAS THE REP, THE OTHER REPRESENTATIVE. OKAY. SO THERE THE DESIRE FOR THE TWO OF YOU TO CONTINUE . I WAS GONNA SAY WHAT, I NEED YOU TO RUN 'EM OFF. YES, SCOTT. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. ANY OBJECTIONS TO CONTINUING THOSE APPOINTMENTS AS THEY STAND CURRENTLY? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE, UH, WE'LL MOVE BOTH OF THOSE APPOINTMENTS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING. YEAH. SO THAT JUST BE A MOTION ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. PREPARED AS DISCUSSED. PERFECT. NEXT IS ITEM [ Board And Commission Appointments * Board Of Zoning Appeals - Reappointment] THREE Y, WHICH IS NOW BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS. OKAY. I HAVE A NUMBER OF, UH, REAPPOINTMENTS FOR YOU TONIGHT. THIS IS TYPICAL AT THE END OF THE YEAR AS, UH, A NUMBER OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE TERM EXPIRATIONS THAT COINCIDE WITH THE END OF THE YEAR. WE'RE DOING PLANNING, UH, FOR THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WISH TO BE REAPPOINTED, AND IF NOT, UH, WE CAN START TO SEEK, UH, RECRUITMENT OF ADDITIONAL VOLUNTEERS FOR THESE POSITIONS. SO FIRST I HAVE, UH, IS, UH, REAPPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. UH, ROBERT DEEM IS THE PERSON CURRENTLY IN THE POSITION HE WISHES TO BE REAPPOINTED. HE WAS APPOINTED INITIALLY TO, UH, UH, LIKE A MIDTERM, UH, UH, UNEXPIRED TERM. UH, HIS TERM IS GONNA BE NOW EXPIRING ON JANUARY 31ST, 2025. UM, THIS WOULD BE A FIVE YEAR, UH, REAPPOINTMENT. UM, UNDER THE CHARTER, THE UPDATED BACKGROUND CHECK ON MR. DEEM HAS BEEN PROCESSED WITH HUMAN RESOURCES AND, UM, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION OF STATE CITY STAFF TO MAKE THIS REAPPOINTMENT. OKAY. SO [02:20:01] IS THIS, JUST TO CONFIRM, SO YOU SAID IT'S A FIVE YEAR APPOINTMENT, BUT IT WAS 2025 OR 20, 20 30? WELL, IT EXPIRES ON 2025, SO IT'LL BE, UH, THE NEW TERM WILL GO THROUGH 2030. OKAY. OF JANUARY 31ST TO 2030. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S THE CURRENT TERM THAT'S EXPIRING IN 2025. OKAY. ANY OBJECTION TO THAT REAPPOINTMENT? OKAY. FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT KNOW, UH, THE, ARE THERE ARE CERTAIN, UH, TERM, UH, TERMS FOR BOARDS LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS IN THE CITY CHARTER THAT DEFINE A FIVE YEAR TERM. SO MOST OF OUR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED BY COUNCIL ARE JUST THREE YEAR TERMS, BUT, UH, THESE ARE FIVE YEAR TERMS, AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT'S DEFINED IN THE CHARTER. GOTCHA. OKAY. MAKES SENSE. SO, [ * Citizens Water And Sewer Advisory Board - Reappointment] CITIZENS WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD? YES. WE HAVE A, A REAPPOINTMENT OF LISA JETER, UH, TO THE CITIZENS WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD. UH, THIS TERM ENDS ON JANUARY 1ST, 2025. AND, UM, IT WOULD BE A THREE YEAR REAPPOINTMENT THROUGH JANUARY 1ST, 2028. AND AGAIN, UM, WITH THE BACKGROUND CHECK ON MS. JETER, SHE WAS, UH, FILLING AN UNEXPIRED TERM. SO, UH, THERE WASN'T A NEED TO DO ANOTHER BACKGROUND CHECK YET. WE'LL DO THAT THE NEXT ROUND. SO, UM, BUT SHE'S CERTAINLY COMPLIANT WITH OUR GUIDELINES ON BACKGROUND CHECKS. OKAY. THANKS ATTORNEY. ANY OBJECTIONS TO MS. ER? OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE THAT ON. AND NEXT [ * Culture And Diversity Citizen Action Commission - Reappointment] IS THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY A SYSTEM ACTION COMMISSION REAPPOINTMENT. OKAY. UM, AS THE MAYOR SAID, THIS IS A REAPPOINTMENT TO THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION, UH, FOR ERIC RICHARDSON. UM, HE'S, UH, EXPIRING DECEMBER 31ST, 2024. UH, WE HAVE PROCESSED AN UP, UH, UPDATED BACKGROUND CHECK ON MR. RICHARDSON WITH HUMAN RESOURCES. AND THIS WOULD BE FOR A THREE YEAR TERM ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2027. OKAY. PERFECT. I TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, GOTTA KNOW ERIC, UH, WELL ON THAT, ON THAT COMMISSION DOES A GREAT JOB. VERY ACTIVE, VERY INVOLVED. UH, TOTALLY, TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT REAPPOINTMENT. ANY OBJECTION? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE THAT ON. [ * Military And Veterans Commission - Reappointments] AND NEXT IS MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION REAPPOINTMENT? YES. WE HAVE TWO REAPPOINTMENTS TO THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION. UH, THESE ARE BOTH TERMS THAT EXPIRE ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2024. AGAIN, THREE YEAR TERMS THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2027 FOR LARRY JOHNSON AND ANTHONY WINDSOR. UM, ON MR. JOHNSON, HE FILLED AN UNEXPIRED TERM, SO THERE WAS NOT AN UPDATED BACKGROUND CHECK. BUT FOR MR. WINDOR, UH, WE HAVE PROCESSED THE APPROPRIATE BACKGROUND CHECK THROUGH HUMAN RESOURCES AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THESE REAPPOINTMENTS ON MONDAY BY MOTION AS WELL. PERFECT. ANY OBJECTION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THOSE ON. AND NEXT IS [ * Property Maintenance Review Board - Reappointments] PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD. OKAY. TWO REAPPOINTMENTS TO THIS BOARD ALSO. UM, BOTH OF THEM ARE CURRENT TERMS EXPIRE ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2024. AND ARE, UH, REAPPOINTMENTS FOR THREE YEARS THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2027. UH, THESE REAPPOINTMENTS WOULD BE FOR DONNA HESS AND ALI SHAMAN, UM, TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD. UH, WE HAVE PROCESSED THE UPDATED BACKGROUND CHECK ON MS. HESS AND, UH, FOR ALI, UH, THAT WAS NOT DONE BECAUSE HE, HE'S ONLY BEEN ON IT, UH, LESS THAN A YEAR. AND WE HAD THE PREVIOUSLY COMPLETED BACKGROUND CHECK IN PLACE. SO, UH, WITH COUNSEL'S APPROVAL, AGAIN, WE'D LIKE TO MAKE A, A MOTION FOR REAPPOINTMENT OF THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD ON MONDAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OBJECTION? ANY, I COULD JUST SAY ONE THING. UH, WE DID HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT CHOSE NOT TO SEEK REAPPOINTMENTS. SO WE DO HAVE SOME CURRENT VACANCIES. I'D ENCOURAGE, UH, ANYONE WHO'S LISTENING OR, UH, NOT AWARE OF THOSE VACANCIES TO CHECK OUT THE AVAILABILITY OF THOSE POSITIONS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THERE'S INFORMATION ABOUT EACH OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND WHAT'S INVOLVED. AND, UH, IF ANYBODY HERE ON THE DIOCESE KNOWS SOME PEOPLE THAT, UH, MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN APPLYING, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE VOLUNTEERS TO FILL THOSE REMAINING VACANCIES. OKAY. SO NO OBJECTIONS. WE'LL MOVE THOSE ON. OKAY. ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING, UH, TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING BEFORE WE ADJOURN? YES, MAAM. YES. UM, IT'S PROBABLY BEEN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WEST. UM, PHASE FOUR SPECIFICALLY, IS THAT DEAD OR WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT IT? I THINK YOU MEAN EAST HEADING FROM, I MEAN EAST YEAH. HEADING TOWARDS JOHN FOUR EAST. YEAH, SORRY. SO IT'S NOT DEAD. UM, WE HAVE, WE WERE SEEKING GRANTS FROM ODOT TO HELP DEFRAY THE COST ON THAT. UH, ODOT AT THE TIME SEEMED LESS THAN ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT OUR PLANS. UH, SO THEY KIND [02:25:01] OF PUT IT ON HOLD. UH, SO WE ARE RE-ENGAGING, UM, BOTH WITH, UH, WITH ODOT, THE COG SINCE WE'VE BROUGHT SEWER DOWN, UM, TO THAT AREA. IT MAKES THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT, THE 400 PLUS ACRES AT CHAMBERSBURG MORE VIABLE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT ODOT WAS LESS EXCITED ABOUT THAT PROJECT. 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE THAT THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT WE COULDN'T, WE DIDN'T MAKE A, THEY DIDN'T SEE A COMPELLING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INTEREST AT THAT CORNER. I THINK WE CAN TELL A BETTER STORY NOW. UH, AND SO WE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. I KNOW THAT THEY WERE INSISTING THAT WE PUT SOME SIDEWALKS ON THE SOUTH SIDE ON YEAH. ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT ROAD, WHICH WAS RIDICULOUS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE JUST, IT WOULD BE AN ISLAND BASICALLY. IT WOULDN'T CONNECT ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE, THEY WOULD STILL BE ADAMANT ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, THAT WAS A HORRIBLE IDEA. YEAH. NO, RUSS IS STILL ACTIVELY WORKING, UM, ON, ON MAKING THAT TO GET THAT TO MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, ANITA, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR APPROVING ME TO GO TO NLC. UM, I THINK IN MY THREE YEARS OF BEING ON COUNCIL, I HAVE NOT TEXTED YOU AS MUCH AS I DID LAST WEEK OF IT'S OKAY. LOOK AT THIS, LOOK AT THIS. OH MY GOSH, LOOK AT THESE PICTURES. WE COULD DO THIS. UM, IT WAS A GREAT CONFERENCE. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND NEXT YEAR PEOPLE GO, IT'S IN SALT LAKE CITY NEXT YEAR. UM, IT WAS JUST AMAZING. THE ONLY BAD THING WAS THE FOOD. BUT BESIDES THAT, THE CONFERENCE ITSELF WAS PRETTY, PRETTY GREAT IN THE HOTEL. CHECK-IN , THE HOTEL CHECK-IN THAT HOPEFULLY WE HAVE RESOLVED. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT WAS JUST AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE, UM, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE GOT A LOT OF IDEAS, NOT JUST FOR OUR CITY, BUT FOR THE COUNTY. UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I'M WILLING TO SHARE WHATEVER INFORMATION PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT OF INTERESTING THINGS GOING ON. OKAY. THANKS. AND THANKS FOR SERVING US WELL THERE. WE APPRECIATE THAT. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD DO AT LEAST ONCE BECAUSE IT, IT IS QUITE AN EXPERIENCE AND, AND YOU GET THE BIG PICTURE. YOU REALLY DO. AND ALSO, TONY GOT A HARDBACK BOOK IF YOU GUYS WANNA LOOK AT, THEY PUT TOGETHER A HARDBACK BOOK OF THE A HUNDRED YEARS OF NLC. IT WAS THEIR A HUNDRED YEAR ANNIVERSARY. THAT'S A REALLY NICE BOOK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF IT AND EVERYTHING. SO TONY HAS THAT IN HIS OFFICE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? YES, KATE. THANK YOU MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO WISHER WAYNE WARRIOR FOOTBALL TEAM. UH, GOOD LUCK FRIDAY NIGHT. BRING HOME A W BEAT THE TEAM FROM DOWN SOUTH. YEP. AND LET'S GO INTO STATE THANK YOU TO THE PLAYERS AND COACHES AND FAMILIES THAT MADE THAT POSSIBLE. YEP. I THINK THAT IS, THAT'S THE, WE'RE AT THE ELITE EIGHT NOW BASICALLY, SO, OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. ALRIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? PRETTY AWESOME. OKAY, BEFORE WE GO, IF I COULD JUST HAVE A, MAYBE JUST A COUPLE MORE MINUTES. I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW, I HAD A, TONY AND I MET WITH, UM, SHANNON, THE CHAIR OF OUR A AND B BOARD, UH, FROM, FROM AN HOUR TODAY, UM, FROM ABOUT FOUR 30 UP UNTIL JUST KIND OF ABOUT THE TIME BEFORE THE MEETING. AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE WERE, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS, UH, THERE WAS SOME FRUSTRATIONS, UH, REGARDING KIND OF THE, THE EEL BERGER CHRISTMAS TREE EVENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WAS GOING ON. AND, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, UH, AT LEAST IN OUR CONVERSATION, UM, FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE OWNED THAT, THAT LACK OF COMMUNICATION BACK TO THE BOARD ON THE CANCELING KIND OF WHY THAT HAPPENED AND COMPETING EVENTS. BUT ALL IN ALL, WE KNOW THERE ARE, UM, W WE KIND OF WENT OVER THE HISTORY, SO TO SPEAK, OF, OF A AND B, UH, YOU KNOW, A AND B IS NOT A CHARTERED COMMISSION FOR THE CITY, LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE B-A-B-C-A AND THOSE YEAH. SO THOSE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE CHARTER THERE, ARTS AND UNIFICATION AND, UH, IS A COMMISSION THAT WAS ACTUALLY FORMED. UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY AN ARTS COMMISSION. I HAD TONY PULL THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION SO I COULD REALLY GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF KIND OF WHAT THESE BOARD, AT LEAST FROM AN ARTS CERTIFICATION COMMISSION, WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS. WHAT WAS THE ENABLING LEGISLATION? SO THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION, UM, WAS SIGNED BY MAYOR SCHAPER WAS REALLY KIND OF AN ARTS COUNCIL. THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT STARTED. THERE WASN'T A BEAUTIFICATION PIECE TO THAT. IT WAS REALLY KIND OF AN ARTS COUNCIL. THEN THE LEGISLATION WAS AMENDED IN 2011 THAT ADDED THE BEAUTIFICATION PIECE TO THE ARTS PIECE. AND THEN IT WAS MEANT TO STILL HAVE AN ARTS COUNCIL, BUT A BEAUTIFICATION PIECE TOO. THAT, WHICH IS HOW WE GOT THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION NOW ABOUT 13 YEARS AGO. AND I THINK, I THINK WHAT MYSELF NEEDS TO OWN AND, AND COUNSEL IT PREVIOUS AND EVEN NOW [02:30:01] NEEDS TO OWN IS ANY FRUSTRATION THAT ANYBODY HAS HAD FROM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT EVENTS AND THINGS THAT THE CITY'S DOING. WE DO NEED TO OWN THAT PIECE BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MISCOMMUNICATION IN TERMS OF WHAT COUNCIL HAS KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, DESIRING TO SEE FROM THOSE COMMISSIONS AND THEN THE DIRECTION THAT THEY'VE GONE. WE, WE WANTED TO, I, I WOULD GO BACK TO KIND OF WHEN I FIRST BECAME THE MAYOR, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT REALLY GIVING OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSION SOME EMPOWERMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ISSUES WITH DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS GOING TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND IT ALMOST FELT LIKE WE HAD COUNCIL DICTATING TO SOME OF THOSE BOARDS WHAT THEY WERE GONNA BE DOING DURING THE MEETINGS. AND IT'S, AND I, AND I EXPLAINED TO, TO SHANNON TODAY, I, I, I DON'T GO TO THOSE MEETINGS, NOT BECAUSE I'M NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT'S GOING ON. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE THAT I'M TRYING TO INFLUENCE DECISIONS AND THINGS THAT THEY DO. I THOUGHT THAT WAS, THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE. UM, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THEY, THEY'RE VERY PASSIONATE, THEY'RE VERY PROUD VOLUNTEERS AND THEY DO WANT TO KNOW THE DIRECTION WE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE THERE. AND SHE MADE VERY CLEAR THAT THEIR INTENT IS TO SERVE WHAT COUNSEL WANTS US TO DO, UH, WANTS THEM TO DO. WE HAVEN'T HAD A, UM, THE LAST TIME WE UPDATED THE BOARD AND COMMISSION'S HANDBOOKS WERE BACK IN 2017. AND I'VE, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH TONY, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE REDONE AGAIN. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME REFOCUS ON WHAT SOME OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS DO. SO THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE JUST KIND OF LIKE THE, LIKE SUCCESS IS JUST DOING WHAT THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE. RIGHT. AND I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF GOT INTO THAT PLACE WHERE, UM, WE, WE HAVE SOME MOVIE NIGHTS AND, AND I KNOW THOSE ARE TAKE SOME TIME TO GET PUT ON. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE MARIGOLD FESTIVAL, WE KNOW NEEDED A, UH, MUCH OF A REVAMP. BUT WE GOT INTO THAT HABIT OF JUST KIND OF DOING WHAT WE ALWAYS DID. AND WE WEREN'T GENERATING A LOT OF EXCITEMENT ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COULD REALLY BE GOING ON IN THE CITY. SO WHEN I WENT BACK AND HAD TONY PULL THAT ENABLING LEGISLATION, AND IT REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE ARTS PIECE OF ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION IN TERMS OF PERFORMING ARTS AND CULTURAL ARTS, ALL THE THINGS THAT I KNOW THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE BASED UPON WHAT WE TOLD SARAH TO DO IN CLOUD PARK, INVESTING THAT MONEY FOR POSSIBLY AN AMPHITHEATER THERE, OR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE A, YOU KNOW, A, A PLAYHOUSE WHERE WE CAN GET THAT TYPE OF REAL CULTURAL ART BEING BROUGHT IN. SO I WAS VERY CLEAR, I I LET HER KNOW THAT I WAS GONNA MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. AND CLEARLY WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW WE WANNA MOVE THIS FORWARD, BUT I WANNA GO BACK TO WHAT THAT ACTUAL ENABLING LEGISLATION WAS IN 2011 AND HAVE THEM FOCUS ON WHAT THE ARTS ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK WE HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE, IF WE REALLY MARKET AND ADVERTISE THESE VACANCIES WE HAVE ON THAT COUNCIL, ON THAT COMMISSION, WE CAN REALLY REINVIGORATE THE IDEAS THAT THAT COUNCIL OR THAT COMMISSION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON. AND I THINK WE CAN GET A LOT OF PEOPLE REINVIGORATED WHO MIGHT WANT TO APPLY TO VOLUNTEER ON THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO, I THINK WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THAT ENABLING LEGISLATION BACK TO THE ROOTS OF IT ON ARTS AND THEN ALSO A BEAUTIFICATION PIECE. UM, SO NOT THAT THEY DON'T DO A GOOD JOB, I THINK THEY JUST WEREN'T SURE OF WHAT THE JOB WAS THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. I THINK THAT IS A, A BIG ISSUE THAT, THAT WE'VE SEEN. SO I KNOW A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF RESTRUCTURING SOME OF THE BOARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT THE BOARD NEEDS TO BE RESTRUCTURED. I THINK THEY NEED TO JUST HAVE A BETTER DIRECTION. AND I THINK IF WE GET BACK TO THE ENABLING LEGISLATION, IT'LL DO THAT AND IT'LL GIVE THEM THE DIRECTION THEY WANT TO GO. AND FROM WHAT I COULD TELL TODAY, UM, SHANNON WAS, WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. SHE STILL WANTED TO SERVE ON THE BOARD. UM, AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, HER CHAIRSHIP WILL COME UP IN DECEMBER AND SHE WAS INTERESTED IN, IN REMAINING THE CHAIRPERSON OF THAT BOARD. SO, UH, SO I JUST WANNA LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT I AM AWARE OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS. WHAT WAS SOME OF THE TALK ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND, AND WE DID OWN THAT. 'CAUSE I THINK WE NEEDED TO, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY KNOW WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO MOVING FORWARD. AND TONY'S GONNA WORK TO, TO REDO SOME OF THE, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE HANDBOOK FOR THEM. WE ASKED FOR FEEDBACK AND I THINK YOU, THERE WERE SOME GREAT IDEAS, SOME THINGS THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THOSE HANDBOOKS. SO WHEN WE GET NEW PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER FOR THOSE POSITIONS, THEY ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS AND, AND WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT HAPPENING. AND I ALSO THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM EVEN TO THE PARKS AND RECS, PARK REC, PARKS AND REC, UM, PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE, WHEN WE BROUGHT SARAH ON, I THINK ALL OF US ARE ADMITTING THAT, UH, WE ALL KNOW THAT WAS A, A FANTASTIC HIRE FOR THE CITY AND, AND THE STAFF. AND SHE'S TAKING THIS IN A, IN A, IN A WHOLE DIRECTION THAT I THINK ALL [02:35:01] OF US MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT POSSIBLE. BUT SHE'S BRINGING THINGS TO US THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY EVEN THINK ABOUT IN THE PAST. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE REALLY, UM, BEEN IN THAT POSITION AND THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE A PARKS AND REC MANAGER, SHE'S RESPONSIBLE ULTIMATELY TO JOHN FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THE PARKS. SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFLICT THAT WAS CREATED BECAUSE SARAH SEES HER JOB AS MANAGING ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THE PARKS. BUT THEN THE ARTS UNIFICATION COMMISSION WAS DOING THINGS THAT TOOK PLACE IN THE PARKS. SO THAT WAS KIND OF CREATING SOME UHOH, WHAT DO I DO? WHO'S GOTTA APPROVE IT? DOES THIS GO BACK TO COUNCIL? SO AGAIN, WE JUST HAD A LOT OF CONVOLUTION THERE THAT I THINK THIS WILL, THIS WILL HELP FIX. BUT I THINK, UM, WE NEED TO GET BACK LOOKING AT THE PARKS AND REC JOB. I MEAN, I THINK ALL OF US KNOW THAT THERE'S SO MUCH MORE THAT THEY COULD DO RATHER THAN JUST LOOKING AT A CONTINUED LIST OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AT THEIR MEETINGS OF WHAT A PRIORITY LIST WOULD BE AND THINGS TO DO. SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO GET BACK TO THE PURPOSE OF THOSE BOARDS, WHAT THAT LEGISLATION DOES THAT CREATES SOME, WHAT THEIR JOB IS IN THE CHARTER, AND LET'S EMPOWER THEM TO DO THOSE THINGS THAT THEY'RE VOLUNTEERING FOR. AND IF WE DO THAT, I THINK I, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE ALL GET FRUSTRATED SEEING THESE OPEN POSITIONS COME OPEN ALL THE TIME AND WE KEEP TRYING TO FILL 'EM AND KEEP TRYING TO FILL 'EM. AND I THINK THAT'S JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE VOLUNTEERING FOR. SO I JUST WANNA GIVE EVERYBODY UP TO DATE ON THE MEETING THAT WE HAD TODAY. AND I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION TO GO FORWARD, I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF, LET'S GET BACK TO WHAT THAT LEGISLATION ACTUALLY SAYS THEIR PURPOSE IS. OKAY, ANITA. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. 'CAUSE BACK MY SHORT BRIEF PERIOD ON ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION, TO ME IT WAS JUST RUNNING A FESTIVAL AND DOING MOVIE NIGHTS AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT'S THE ARTS PART OF THIS? AND I NEVER COULD FIGURE OUT WHY I WAS THERE BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING ARTSY THAT WE WERE DOING. SO I'M GLAD TO SEE IT'S GOING BACK TO THE ARTS AND THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT TO MOVE THE ARTS PROGRAM AND HUBER HEIGHTS. 'CAUSE LIKE I'VE SAID IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, WE HAVE 45,000 PLUS PEOPLE AND SMALLER CITIES HAVE BETTER ARTS PROGRAMS THAN WE DO. SO I'M GLAD THAT THAT ASPECT IS MOVING FORWARD THERE. UM, WITH THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING THING, UM, MARK YOU WANTED SUPPORT ON THE PARK DOWN IN THOMAS CLOUD? I WOULD LIKE WITH THE NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER THAT THE CITY CHRISTMAS TREE BE PUT AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER AND THAT WILL WHERE BE WHERE THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING IS, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEING OUR DOWNTOWN, AND WE'RE NOT GETTING THE DOWNTOWN, BUT THAT CAN MAKE IT TO A CENTER POINT TO HAVE THE CHRISTMAS TREE AND THAT LIGHTING THERE AT MARION MEADOWS. MAYOR. YES, I TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT. 100%. YEAH. OKAY. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE A TREE AND MAKE THE FLAGPOLE TO NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER OUR TREE, JUST LIKE THEY DO AT ANOTHER PARK DOWNTOWN. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER AND HAVE A TREE THAT'S LARGE FOR QUITE A WHILE UNLESS YOU PUT A FAST GROWING PINE, AND THAT'S ALREADY AN ADULT. BUT TO MAKE THE LARGE FLAGPOLE, I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY WHAT, 60 FEET TALL. I THINK WE TALKED FROM, FROM MY CONVERSATION WITH, WITH, UH, WITH SARAH, SHE THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY BRINGING A TREE IN JUST LIKE THEY DO AT ROCKEFELLER, YOU KNOW, ROCKEFELLER CENTER AND DC AND ALL THAT THING SQUARE. YEAH. SO TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BRING IT, TO BRING A TREE IN. UM, BUT I THINK LOGISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHERE WHERE THAT COULD GO AND WHERE THAT COULD BE AND WHAT WE COULD TURN THAT INTO ON BRENT PIKE, I THINK I, I I THINK THAT CERTAINLY COULD WORK. I KNOW A LOT OF THE FOCUS IS ON CLOUD PARK BEING AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE CITY, BUT BEING IN THE MIDDLE AND THE CENTER, THAT'S CERTAINLY A DISCUSSION I THINK THAT, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S, I MEAN THERE'S SUPPORT FOR THAT, SO. YEP. AND KATE, TO YOUR POINT, I REMEMBER WHEN THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY TREE WENT ON, IT WAS THE CHARLIE BROWN TREE, I'M SORRY, FOR A FEW YEARS. AND I'M LIKE GOING SO, BUT TO GET THAT FULL SIZED TREE, LIKE AFTER PUTTING EVERYTHING RIGHT, YOU, IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE FOR BROWN TO BE RIGHT. RECEPTIVE. BUT WE COULD START ONE AND BRING ONE IN THAT'S BIGGER FOR WHILE, BUT HAVE ONE STORY. I TO SEE A TREE DIE. THAT'S MY LEADING PART. YEAH. WELL THE TREE THE TREE THAT WE HAVE AT EICHELBERGER WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT IN. IT WAS, AND IT WAS PLANTED THERE AND IT WASN'T, I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT WAS NEVER REAL SMALL. YEAH. IT'S NEVER A REAL SMALL TREE. IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T HUGE, BUT IT WASN'T, IT CERTAINLY WASN'T SMALL. I MEAN, IT WAS A MATURE, IT WAS CERTAINLY, IT WAS PROBABLY A 10-YEAR-OLD TREE THAT WE, THAT WE HAD IN THERE AND IT TOOK ROOT FINE. I THINK IT'S JUST BEING DO, DOING IT, DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY. BUT IF WE BRING IN A LARGE TREE FOR A SPECIFIC EVENT OVER THE HOLIDAY SEASON, IT ISN'T GONNA BE PLANTED. IT'S GONNA BE PROPPED UP. YOU KNOW, FOR, I, I SEE ALL THE TECHNIC PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE, UM, THE, THE TREE THAT CHARLES HUBER HAD AT HIS RESIDENCE ALL THOSE YEARS THAT WAS NEVER ACTUALLY A TREE, BUT IT WAS JUST A BIG RADIO ANTENNA THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAD STRING LIGHTS GOING UP SIMILAR TO WHAT GOES ON DOWN AT CAROLINE PARK. I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YEAH, THAT'S WORK. YEAH. WHAT'S THAT WAS LIKE. SO, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, OVERALL, I, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, AN ICE PARADE. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE STRUCTURE THAT'S BEING, [02:40:01] UH, ERECTED DOWN THERE AT COMMUNITY PARK. IT'LL BE OUT CLOSE TO THE ROAD THAT WILL BE, UM, KIND OF FRONT AND CENTER THERE AROUND THE GAZEBO. SO WE CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, A A, A LIGHTING SERVICE. WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA HAVE THE PROGRAM THIS YEAR AT, AT, AT IKE BERKELEY HAD IN THE PAST. BUT I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO A LOT OF THESE CITY EVENTS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS TALKING TO SARAH ABOUT, AND A LOT OF THIS IS TRYING TO INCORPORATE WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO THINGS INTO WHAT HER LONG-TERM VISION IS FOR THE CITY. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THE POPCORN FESTIVAL AND SWEET CORN FESTIVAL, HMONG FESTIVAL, STRAWBERRY FESTIVAL, THOSE FESTIVALS AREN'T PUT ON BY CITIES. THOSE FESTIVALS ARE PUT ON BY COMPANIES ARE PUT ON BY NONPROFITS, HUNDREDS OF VOLUNTEERS AND YEAH. LOTS OF VOLUNTEERS. SO I THINK THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT SARAH HAS RELAYED TO ME AND TO JOHN THAT SHE THINKS THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO GO WITH THIS. AND THEN THAT, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU REMEMBER THE, THE 4TH OF JULY FESTIVITIES, THAT WAS ALL BEING PLANNED IN 2020 BY THE CHAMBER. THEY WERE READY TO TAKE THAT OVER AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE SECOND WEEK OF MARCH OF 2020, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE FREAKING WORLD ALMOST CAME TO AN END. RIGHT. SO IT SEEMED LIKE, AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT STOPPED THAT IN ITS TRACKS WAS WAS COVID. SO I THINK, UM, LOOKING AT IT FROM A NONPROFIT PERSPECTIVE AND BUSINESSES TO, TO REALLY COME AND, AND DO THESE EVENTS, I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC. THAT ALLOWS SARAH AND OUR, AND OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT TO DO WHAT PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT SHOULD DO. AND THEN IT ALLOWS OUR A AND B TO GET FOCUSED BACK ON THE ARTS AND ACTUALLY BEAUTIFYING NANCY. YES. UM, I HOPE THAT SARAH'S GONNA BE INVOLVED IN UPDATING THE, THE COMMITTEE HANDBOOK SO THAT HER VISION CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO IT. WE, YEAH. I MEAN, HER AREA COVERS A VERY SMALL PART OF THE TOTAL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, BUT, BUT YEAH. ALL OF STAFF HAVE BEEN, UH, RECEIVED COPIES OF THE, UH, BOARD COMMISSION HANDBOOK AND HAVE PROVIDED THEIR COMMENTS AND, AND PUT INTO IT ALREADY. SO I, I'VE HAD, I'VE BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THIS SURE. FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. UH, IT'S JUST THAT WE WERE HOLDING OFF TO SEE WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE REALIGNMENT OR NON REALIGNMENT OF SOME OF THE BOARDS. YEAH. SO, YEAH, SO I, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS JUST MORE OF A, OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE TONIGHT ON THE MEETING THAT I HAD WITH HER TODAY. AND, AND I'LL, TONY WILL EMAIL ALL OF YOU WHAT THAT ENABLING LEGISLATION WAS FROM 2011 WHEN ARCH AND UNIFICATION BECAME ARTS AND UNIFICATION, NOT JUST THE ARTS COUNCIL, BUT UNDER THEIR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. IT CLEARLY LINES OUT, IT SHOULD BE A FOCUS ON PERFORMING CULTURAL, EVEN, YOU KNOW, HERITAGE. UH, ANOTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT THAT SHE DID BRING UP ARTS AND UNIFICATION IS INTERESTED IN SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY HAVING SOME TYPE OF A MURAL OR A MOSAIC PAINTED ON ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS SOMEWHERE THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO DO WITH KIND OF OUR PAST AND OUR, OUR, OUR OWN CULTURE HERE AND OUR OWN HERITAGE IN THE CITY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT THAT OLD OF A CITY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SPRINGBORO IN THE 1810S, YOU KNOW, OR, OR, OR WHATEVER. WE DO STILL HAVE OUR OWN CULTURE AND OUR OWN HERITAGE HERE AND HOW WE GOT STARTED. AND UM, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROPOSING TO COUNCIL SOMETIME IN, IN THE FUTURE. SO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, WHERE THAT COULD GO. AND, UH, THERE ARE CERTAINLY ARTISTS RIGHT HERE LOCALLY IN THE CITY WHO WOULD PROBABLY LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I THINK LOCATION IS KEY AROUND THAT. MARK AARON, SIR, DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT STILL WILL BE GOING UP ON THE GOVERNMENT CENTER IN DECEMBER? YES. WHEN WILL IT BE COMPLETED? THE FACILITY BE COMPLETED, UH, OC EXCUSE ME, AUGUST OF 25. OKAY. AND WE STILL HAVE, I'M SORRY, KEEP GOING. I, I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS, BUT KEEP, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA PUT POLE LAMPS ON OUR NEW $2 MILLION STREET. YES. BLACK. YES. YES. THEN GIAN VARGOS GONNA PUT A CLOCK. MM-HMM. YOU NOTICE HOW WHEN YOU'RE GONNA PLAN SOMETHING, TIME GETS AWAY FROM YOU. MM-HMM. BETWEEN JOHN AND TONY, COULD YOU TELL US WHERE YOU GET A TREE LIKE THEY DO IN DAYTON, WHAT IT COSTS, AND A COMPANY THAT WOULD DECORATE THOSE LAMPPOSTS THAT CLOCK IN THAT TREE? AND, AND, AND LET'S PULL THE TRIGGER ON THAT. I KNOW THAT WE TALK ABOUT FIREWORKS MONTHS IN ADVANCE. MM-HMM. . AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOME FABRIC WOVEN INTO OUR COMMUNITY IF IT WAS ALL RAMP PIKE AND WE STILL HAVE THE AREA TO THE, UH, EAST OF THE, OR THE WEST OF THE GOVERNANCE CENTER. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING YEP. THAT'S WHERE I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA GO WITH THIS. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. BUT IF, IF THE CITY COULD GET MORE INVOLVED IN, IN THE HOLIDAY DECORATIONS, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL BECAUSE WE HAVE NONPROFITS THAT ARE ENCOURAGING RESIDENTS TO, TO, UH, DECORATE THEIR HOUSES. BUT THE CITY SHOULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, DO THAT. AND YOU GO INTO SOME OF THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES AND, AND THEY'RE DOING THAT. MM-HMM. . [02:45:01] YEAH. THERE'S NO REASON WE, THERE'S NO REASON WE THAT WE, WE CAN'T DO THAT. I REMEMBER CHARLES HUBER SAID ONE NIGHT WHEN HE CAME TO COUNCIL AFTER OUR SECOND YEAR OF OUR INTERIOR STREETS PROGRAM, HOW IMPRESSED HE WAS AND HOW HE WAS NOTICING THE REINVESTMENT BY EACH PROPERTY OWNER THAT WOULD BE ON A STREET THAT WAS BEING REPAID. SO THAT NANCY'S POINT, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. MM-HMM. . YEAH. WE KNOW PEOPLE, UM, PEOPLE LIKE TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHERE THEY LIVE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMMENTS WE GOT BACK FROM JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOME BRICK ASPHALT DOWN IN BETWEEN SOME INTERSECTIONS AND THE FLOWERS THIS YEAR, AND FLOWERS THIS YEAR AND THE BANNERS WE PUT UP, WE GET MORE COMMENTS ABOUT SOME OF THE SMALLEST DETAILS, BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO THAT MAKES 'EM FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE SPACE THEY'RE IN. I NEED IT, MARK, AND I THINK IT'S A PERFECT TIME TO START TALKING ABOUT THE HUBER UM, FOUNDATION, HUBER HEIGHTS FOUNDATION BEING REDONE, THAT THEY CAN HELP WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF THEN. YES. YES. THAT'S A FOUNDATION THAT'S DOWN THROUGH THE DAYTON FOUNDATION THAT'S JUST BEEN SITTING IDLE SINCE, WHAT WAS IT, 17? YES. SARAH. THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOUR FIRM COULD HELP US WITH BECAUSE I THINK, I REMEMBER THERE WAS SOME CONFLICT, RIGHT? WE WERE TOLD ON HOW WE COULD GET THAT REACTIVATED OH, CONFLICT OUR FIRM. NO CONFLICT, BECAUSE HOW THEY'RE, IT'S WRITTEN. THERE CAN'T BE ANYBODY FROM COUNSEL ON THAT. AND SO, BUT NOBODY'S WILLING TO KIND OF PICK IT UP AND START DOING THIS. SO EVER SINCE PAT STEVENS LEFT, IT'S KIND OF, I I THINK JIM ELLIS HAS SOME PAPERWORK CORRECT. AND INFORMATION ON THAT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. DO YOU KNOW JIM ELLI? SARAH? HE'S AN ATTORNEY. HE USED TO SERVE ON COUNCIL, SO I DON'T BELIEVE I DO. I'M SURE CHRIS DOES. I COULD PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH HIM IF YOU, OKAY, GREAT. SO THE PERSON THAT WAS VERY INTIMATE ABOUT THAT WAS COUNCILWOMAN PAM SUNDERLAND. SO SHE WAS THE DIRECTOR OF THE DAYTON FOUNDATION AT THE TIME AND HELPED US SET THAT UP. AND THEN JIM ELLIS, I THINK, WAS A MEMBER AND SO WAS RONNIE RED WAS TOWARD THE END TOO. SO, 'CAUSE I'VE TALKED TO RONNIE AND JIM. OKAY. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT MAKES ME HAPPY, JUST HANGING AROUND ALL OF YOU. THIS IS AWESOME. WELL, WELL, I, I, I HATED TO KEEP YOU GUYS OVER. I KNOW THIS WAS A LONG MEETING, BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE UPDATED ON, ON THE MEETING THAT I HAD. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO YET, DO WE? WE DON'T HAVE TO. IF SOMEBODY ELSE GOT SOMETHING THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT , I THINK THIS IS ALL GOOD STUFF ON A BRIGHT FUTURE HEAD FOR OUR COMMUNITY. YEAH. I I, I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION. I APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE. JUST TELL 'EM HOW HAPPY I'M YOU'RE. VERY . I'M H-A-P-P-Y. HAPPY . I'M H-A-P-P-Y. HAPPY . YOU STOP SMILING. . THAT'S CREEPY. LEARNED THAT IN SUNDAY SCHOOL AS A KID. OH, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO THANKS FOR, FOR HANGING OUT AND INDULGING ME IN THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I DO APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE WE GO? OKAY, IT'S EIGHT 50. UH, GREAT NIGHT EVERYONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.