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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road November 12, 2024 6:00 P.M. ]
THE MEETING THE, THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALL RIGHT, MR. CASSIDY? HERE.
IS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DAIS IN HEARING NONE? NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZENS COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS' COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA HEARING.
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND I DO TO THE FOLLOWING OATH.
DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
UH, ASK ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT WHEN THEY, UH, APPROACH THE PODIUM TO STATE THEIR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN IN SHEET.
PROVIDED WE HAVE NO PENDING BUSINESS, OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A LOT SPLIT.
THE APPLICANT GLJ HOLDING COMPANY, LLCS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR MINOR SUBDIVISION LOT SPLIT OF 2.925 ACRES FROM N LOTS 19 1 9 7 3 AND 1 9 7 6.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT CARRIAGE TRAILS, ONE PART IN LOT 1973 AND 1976 ARROWWOOD STREET LS 24 DASH 25.
JUST, UH, SO THESE NEXT TWO CASES, UH, ARE ACT ARE RELATED TO EACH OTHER.
UM, SO THIS IS A LOT SPLIT, UM, OF 2.9 ACRES OFF OF, UH, RECENTLY ANNEXED 300 ACRES THAT WAS INTO THE CITY.
UH, YOU SAW KIND OF THE PART OF THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UM, THIS IS JUST, UH, SETTING THE STAGE FOR A FINAL PLAT, WHICH IS, UH, THE NEXT CASE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE 2.9 ACRES ON THE TOP OF THAT OF THE, UH, EXISTING, UM, PLATTED LOTS.
WELL, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE, UH, LOT SPLIT AS SUBMITTED.
UH, AND PLANNING COMMISSION CAN EITHER APPROVE OR DENY, UM, SAID SUBDIVISION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
MM-HMM,
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE AND HEARING? NO ONE? WE'LL CLOSE THAT PORTION.
UM, GIMME ONE MOMENT PLEASE AND I'LL CATCH UP THERE.
IT'S, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT GLJ HOLDING COMPANY FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR SUBDIVISION LOT SPLIT.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE CASE LS 24 25 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS A STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATE DATED NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024 WITH THE FOLLOWING, YEAH.
DATED
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. CASSIDY? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, AFTER THIS NEXT CASE, UH, THE, UH, WE WILL SIGN THE, UH, THE MYLARS AND THE APPLICANT WILL REPORT BOTH, UH, SUBDIVISIONS.
NEXT ITEM UNDER THE AGENDA IS THE FINAL PLAT, THE APPLICANT, DEC LAND COMPANY ONE LLC, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT FOR 36 BUILDING LOTS.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ARROWWOOD STREET PF 24 DASH 26.
MR. RE? YES, SO THIS IS PART TWO OF, UH, OF THE, THE TWO CASES.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A FINAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR 36 BUILDING LOTS AND THEN, UM, POTENTIAL, UH, RIGHT OF WAY FOR, UM, STREET EXTENSIONS.
UM, THERE ARE, WHAT IS LITTLE UNIQUE ABOUT THIS IS THAT EACH OF THE BUILDING LOTS, UH, CONTAIN SUB AREA OR SUB IN LOTS.
UH, THAT'S BECAUSE THESE BUILDING LOTS SPAN TWO TAXING JURISDICTIONS.
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UH, SO IN LOT A IS FULLY WITHIN, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS, UM, IN LOT B IS WITHIN HUBER HEIGHTS, BUT ALSO BETHEL TOWNSHIP BECAUSE, UM, UM, BOUNDARIES WERE NOT, UM, UM, COORDINATED.SO, UM, THAT'S WHY THEY ARE IN, IN LOT A, IN LOT B THERE IS A LAND HOOK ASSOCIATED, WHICH WITH EACH OF THEM, SO EACH SUB A LOT CANNOT BE SOLD INDEPENDENTLY.
UM, AND UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS A LITTLE FUNKY.
UM, SO AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE SUB, UH, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, THIS FINAL PLAT FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS SECTION SEVEN PHASE, UH, FIVE A MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, APPROVED, UH, AS SUBMITTED THIS, THE CITY ENGINEER HAD NO COMMENTS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, UH, AS SUBMITTED, UH, AND PLANNING COMMISSION CAN TAKE TWO ACTIONS, EITHER APPROVE OR DENY THE FINAL PLAT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. JEFFRIES? ONE, JUST FOR, TO CLARIFY ON THE SUB LOTS, AARON, ARE THOSE JUST ADMINISTRATIVE TERMS? IT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT LIKE TAXES, VOTING OR ANYTHING ON THE DIFFERENT PARCELS? NO, IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER FOR THE AUDITOR TO, UM, UH, UH, TO SET UP THE CORRECT TAXING JURISDICTIONS WHEN THEY ARE, UM, SETTING VALUES AND, AND THEN ALSO FOR THE TREASURER TO COLLECT THE PROPERTY TAXES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU SIR.
MM-HMM,
ANYONE WISHING YOU SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, I'LL WALK YOU NOW.
UM, HARD TO BELIEVE THAT WE WENT THROUGH 700 ACRES AND CAME UP 50 FEET SHORT OF BEING ABLE TO PLOW OUR LAST STREET OF LOTS, YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE BEEN ANXIOUSLY AWAITING THIS PROCESS, WHICH WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE ANNEXATION OF COURSE, AND NOW THIS PROCESS OF GETTING A FINAL PLATINUM.
SO THIS IS OUR FIRST 50 FEET INTO THE, UH, CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO.
UH, BRIEFLY, I WILL UPDATE YOU, UH, FOR HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
I HAVE OUR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO SUBMITTED.
UH, I WAS JUST TALKING TO AARON ABOUT THAT, HOW WE COORDINATE THAT TO GET THAT ONTO A MEETING SCHEDULE, BUT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AND HOPE TO HAVE THAT READY FOR SPRING CONSTRUCTION, START DEVELOPING LOTS UP THERE.
UM, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR IF THERE ARE NONE, I'LL BE GLAD TO SIT BACK DOWN.
UH, KEN, AT ANY TIME, ANY PLACE IN CARES TRAIL, DO WE EXPECT TO HAVE ANY BUSINESSES OF ANY KIND? BUSINESS? MM-HMM,
SO AS YOU KNOW, IT'S ZONED PLAN, MIXED USE, OKAY? SO THAT PROVIDES FOR A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES, BUT RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.
THE ONLY THING POTENTIAL, THE ONLY THING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER AARON'S LAST MAP, BUT WE SHOWED THE FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, WHICH IS THE LOWEST PART OF THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE A REAL PLAN FOR RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE GOT THE SCHOOL AREA TO WORK INTO IT.
WE'VE GOT ROUTE 40 ACCESS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BUILD OUR WAY TO ROUTE 40.
SO PROBABLY FIVE, SEVEN YEARS WE'LL BE TO ROUTE 40.
SO THE OPPORTUNITY'S THERE FOR THAT, BUT PRESENTLY WE HAVE NO PLAN.
SO JUST LET ME REAL QUICK SAY THIS, WE STARTED DOING THIS IN TWO, 2009.
JAN, I KNOW YOU WERE AROUND TERRY, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LOT OF IT.
SOME OF THE OTHER ONES CAME IN IN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
IT'S COOL TO SIT HERE TONIGHT AND TALK TO TWO OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT ARE TRYING TO BUILD IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
WHEN WE STARTED BUILDING IN HUBER HEIGHTS, THERE JUST WASN'T ANYTHING GOING ON AND IT WAS A BIG STRETCH TO START CARRIAGE TRAILS.
UH, THE, UH, JOINT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND CARRIAGE TRAILS REALLY TURNED THAT INTO ACCESSIBLE DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S NICE TO SEE ALL OF THE GROWTH THAT HAS SPURRED OFF OF THAT EFFORT IN, YOU KNOW, 2008, 2009 TO TURN THAT PROJECT AROUND.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR HELP ALONG THE WAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SORRY.
OKAY,
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST
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BY THE APPLICANT, DEC, LAND COMPANY, LAND COMPANY ONE LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT CASE FP 24 26 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.IS THERE SECOND? SECOND BY MS. VARGO? SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE MR. JEFFRIES? YES.
MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO, WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, THE APPLICANT WILL TAKE THE, UH, SIGNED TO MYLARS, UH, AND HAVE THOSE RECORDED AFTER THE MEETING.
UM, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT, LLS, SORRY, I MIGHT CHANGE.
THE NEXT UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A MINOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT GRANGER PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT LLC, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVED THROUGH THE CASE D OR I'M SORRY, BDP 2308.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD MC 24 28, MR. YES.
UH, SO THIS IS, AS YOU SAID, A MINOR CHANGE TO THE, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, SO A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT, UH, IN 2023 RHM, UM, RECEIVED APPROVAL, UH, FOR A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO, UH, COMPRISE OF ABOUT 300 UNITS ON 17 AND A HALF ACRES.
ALSO INCLUDED RESIDENT AMENITIES SUCH AS A CLUBHOUSE, SWIMMING POOL, ET CETERA.
UH, RHM NEVER, UH, PROCEEDED WITH THAT PROJECT.
UM, THE APPLICANT WAS, UH, OR THE APPLICANT WAS A PARTNER, UH, IN THAT PROJECT.
UM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH A SLIGHTLY REVISED CONCEPT, UH, WHICH IS REALLY TWO PHASES ON, UH, PART OF THAT 17 AND A HALF, UM, ACRE PARCEL.
SO THIS WAS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER THE, UH, THE CONCEPT OF THE BIG HOUSE.
UH, AND THEN, SO THERE WERE 300 TOTAL UNITS AS WELL AS FOUR, UH, COMMERCIAL OUT PARCELS.
UM, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TODAY IS A SLIGHTLY SMALLER, UM, PROJECT, WHICH IS 147 UNIT TOWN HOME ON 13 AND A HALF ACRES OF, UH, OF THAT ORIGINAL 17 AND A HALF, UM, UH, WHICH IS A DENSITY OF ABOUT 10.9 UNITS PER ACRE.
THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS CLOSER TO 18, UH, UNITS AN ACRE.
UM, SO PHASE ONE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING OR WHAT IS BEING ASKED IS A MINOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS BASICALLY FROM THE CLUBHOUSE NORTH.
UH, AND THEN PHASE TWO, WHICH WILL BE COMING IN AT A LATER DATE, UM, IS FOR A TWO FOUR STORY BUILDINGS, ABOUT 92 UNITS EACH, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, AROUND 11,000 SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL.
UM, WE STILL, WE THE CITY STILL OWN THAT FRONTAGE LAND OF ABOUT FIVE ACRES AND WE ARE NEGOTIATING WITH THE APPLICANT TO, UH, TO ENTER INTO A PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH THEM, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH PHASE ONE.
UM, NOW, SO THIS IS THE CONCEPT MORE OF A TRADITIONAL TWO STORY, UH, TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT, UH, ALONG WITH RESIDENT AMENITIES SUCH AS THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE DOG PARK AND WALKING TRAILS AND SUCH.
THEY WILL NEED TO COME BACK FOR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
SO YOU'LL SEE THIS AGAIN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, RATHER THAN SURPRISING THE BOARD WITH A, A COMPLETE WHOLESALE CHANGE, PHASE TWO, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AT THE MOMENT IS 184 UNITS WITHIN TWO FOUR STORY BUILDINGS, LIKE I SAID, ALONG, ALONG WITH, UH, GROUND FLOOR RETAIL SPACE, UM, BOTH THE APPLICANT'S MARKET STUDY AS WELL AS ONE THAT WE, UM, INDEPENDENTLY COMMISSIONED, UM, BOTH INDICATED THAT THIS FLEX FLEXIBLE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, UM, SPACE WAS, UM, WOULD BE BETTER RECEIVED IN THE MARKET RATHER THAN FOR INDEPENDENT, UM, RETAIL PADS.
UH, SO BOTH OF OUR STUDIES, WE ACTUALLY DID IT INDEPENDENTLY, CAME TO THAT SAME CONCLUSION THAT THIS, UH, IS A BETTER, UM, PRODUCT FOR, FOR THAT MARKETPLACE.
UH, WHAT THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING WOULD BE THEN, UM, OUTDOOR DINING PLAZA AREA, THAT KIND OF THING, KIND OF YOUR TRADITIONAL, UH, ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT FEEL.
SO AS FAR AS THE STAFF ANALYSIS, UM, THE USE DOES CONFORM WITH THE PLAN, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.
UM, RESIDENTIAL USES ARE PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED.
UH, AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THIS REVISED
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PHASE ONE, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLAN AS FAR AS, UH, PARKING, BUILDING SETBACKS, UH, AND YARD REQUIREMENTS.UH, THE HOUSING IS, THE PROPOSAL IS, UH, A LITTLE BIT LESS DENSE, UH, GOING FROM UH, 10.9 DWELLING UNITS ON 13 AND A HALF ACRES.
UH, WHAT WAS PROPOSED WAS 18 DWELLING UNITS ON 17.6 ACRES.
WHEN YOU TAKE IT IN ITS ENTIRETY OF THE 23 ACRES, UH, THE DENSITY ACTUALLY, UH, GOES UP CLOSER TO 19, UM, ACRE, UH, 19 UNITS AN ACRE.
BUT, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PHASE, UM, IT IS IS DOWN TO JUST UNDER, UH, 11, THE PARKING RATIO ALSO INCREASES.
SO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS ABOUT TWO SPACES PER UH, UNIT.
THIS IS NOW GOING UP TO 2.3 SPACES PER UNIT, SO THERE'S LESS OF A PARKING, UH, STRAIN, UH, ON THE SITE.
SO PLANNING STAFF, UH, DOES FEEL THAT THIS PHASE ONE CHANGE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEFINITION OF A MINOR CHANGE TO THIS PUD AND SUPPORTS SAID CHANGE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, WHICH ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BASIC AND, UH, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT STAFF PLAN.
ONE THAT THE PERMITTED USES, UM, SHALL BE THOSE THAT WERE PERMITTED IN ORDINANCE, UH, 2023 DASH, UH, O DASH 25 79, THAT THE PERIMETER SETBACKS ON THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE BE 20 FEET, AND THEN THE NORTH AND THE EAST BE 15 FEET, WHICH WAS WHAT WAS CONS, WHAT WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY THAT THOSE EXISTING TREES ALONG, UH, SCATTER ROOT AND LO LOLLY DRIVE ARE PRESERVED.
UH, AND THEN ALL SIGNS WITH SECTION, UH, 1189.
AND THEN PLAINTIFF COMMISSION REALLY HAS THREE OPTIONS.
ONE TO APPROVE THE MINOR CHANGE WITH OR WITHOUT SAID CONDITIONS.
DENY OR TABLE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. MR. CASSIE LEY.
UM, SO AARON, IN COMPARISON TO THE PRIOR PLAN THAT WE SAW WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SORT OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WE SAW IN TOTALITY HERE FOR THE COMMERCIAL SPACE VERSUS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT? UH, SO THE ORIGINAL COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT WAS LAID OUT IN THESE FOUR PADS, UH, WAS ABOUT 28,000 SQUARE FEET.
WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED NOW, WHAT'S BEING SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS IS 11,000, BUT THERE'S ROOM TO GROW THAT, UH, AS FAR AS ACROSS THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
AND THAT WAS, UH, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL OUT PARCEL THAT THAT IS THERE.
HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS DRIVEN BY THE, THE MARKET STUDY THAT YOU GUYS DID IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE? IF AND IF AT ALL? IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THE SIZE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AS MUCH AS THE LAYOUT.
LAYOUT AND THE ABILITY, THE ABILITY TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE RATHER THAN HAVING INDEPENDENT PADS.
UM, I KNOW THE DENSITY IS QUITE A BIT LESS THAN WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT PREVIOUSLY AND I KNOW THAT PHASE TWO WOULD INCREASE THAT DENSITY, BUT HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE GOT IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY COMPARISON TAKEN AS A WHOLE? IF YOU THINK OF PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE OTHER PROJECTS ARE.
UH, THIS IS LESS DENSE, BUT PHASE ONE WOULD BE LESS DENSE THAN, UM, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE REVERB YEAH.
UH, IS CLOSER TO 15 UNITS AN ACRE.
AND THEN I THINK MY LAST COMMENT IS, I KNOW THESE ARE STILL JUST RENDERINGS, BUT UM, WHAT WE SAW WITH THE, THE PRIOR PLAN I THINK WAS A MUCH MORE MODERN EXTERIOR, UM, THAN WHAT WE SAW IN THE RENDERINGS HERE.
UM, I THINK I PREFERRED, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER MORE MODERN FINISHES, BUT AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S TIME TO CHANGE THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST A COMMENT I WOULD HAVE.
SO I JUST, I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT COUNCIL MIGHT BE THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANT OUTTA THE ENTERTAINMENT, ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
THIS IS PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE TRADITIONAL THAN WHAT WE SAW WITH THE REVERB.
SO I DIDN'T BRING, I DIDN'T SHOW THE, THE, UM, RENDERINGS FOR THE TWO FOUR STORY BUILDINGS.
THOSE ARE MUCH MORE CONTEMPORARY OKAY.
COMPARED TO THE TOWNHOUSE UNITS IN THE BACK.
SO THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT COUNCIL'S VISION HAS BEEN.
SO I, I AGREE WITH MR. CASSIDY ON, I ACTUALLY LIKED THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THAT COUNCIL DIDN'T CARE FOR 'CAUSE THAT'S WHY THAT GOT SCRAPPED.
COUNCIL DIDN'T LIKE THE LOOK, SO, BUT IT'S THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS, THEIR MARKET.
ANYTHING TO MAKE IT MODERN WOULD BE GREAT.
IS, IS IT ON THE GROUND FLOOR TO CLARIFY? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S SHOWING ONLY HALF OF THE GROUND FLOOR BEING DONE FOR RETAIL, BUT IS THE PLAN TO HAVE THE WHOLE FRONTAGE OF BOTH BUILDINGS RETAIL SLASH COMMERCIAL USES OR IS THERE A PLAN FOR THAT? 'CAUSE THERE WON'T BE ANY HOUSING ON THE FRONT END OF THE BUILDING ON THE LOWER FLOOR, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO CAN, CAN ASK TO GET INTO THOSE MORE DETAILED, BUT I THINK THIS IS REALLY JUST CONCEPTUAL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SPACE PLANNING AT THE MOMENT YEP.
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THEN THIS IS ALL, I MEAN MY, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS ARE ON THE PHASE TWO RIGHT.WHICH IS JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
BUT, UM, ONE I KNOW AS WE'VE CALMED DOWN EXECUTIVE, WE'VE BEEN MINDFUL OF HAVING ROOM FOR THE 11 FEET WIDTH ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD OR THE OTHER TO EXPAND IN THE FUTURE, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
THIS IS THE SECTION WHERE WE HAVE THE ROOM ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET, ISN'T IT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WE STILL HAVE ALL THAT, SO WE'RE NOT LOSING ANY OF THAT.
AND THEN, AND, AND, AND JUST FROM FUTURE PLANNING IT, I THOUGHT I REMEMBER SEEING IF WE WENT ABOVE THREE FLOORS, IT REQUIRES AN ELEVATOR.
THIS WOULD BE PROPOSED TO HAVE AN ELEVATOR, EXCUSE ME, AN ELEVATOR BUILDING.
BUT YEAH, USUALLY IT'S NOT A COST THEY WANNA TAKE ON.
SO I GUESS THE ONLY THING I'D ADD ALONG THE FRONT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE WALKWAY THAT COMES OUT TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE COMMERCIAL AREA, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CONNECTING THAT IN SOME FASHION OR SOMEHOW CONNECTING THROUGH TO SHOAL AT SOME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY GET IT ON THE RADAR TO MAKE SURE THAT A, ALONG THE EXECUTIVE FRONTAGE SOMEWHERE, WE HAVE BIKE PARKING TO LOCK BIKES.
SINCE WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THE BIKEABLE CONNECTIVITY, I THINK WE NEED TO PROBABLY INCORPORATE THAT SOMEWHERE.
LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE PLACE OR SOME OF THE OTHER SPOTS OR IF IT'S HERE AND THE OTHER SPOTS, BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THAT, WE NEED PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY LOCK UP AND GO TO THE ESTABLISHMENTS.
MS. MARGO, UH, UH, THIS IS JUST A COMMENT OF THAT IS THAT, UH, I, I LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE, HOW THEY HAVE REARRANGED THE, I GUESS EAST WEST ROAD AT THE TOP, AT THE NORTH SIDE.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO KEEP THAT OPEN.
MR. CASSIDY? YEAH, ONE MORE QUESTION HERE.
THIS IS ON 13 AND A HALF ACRES AND I THINK THE PREVIOUS ONE YOU SAID WAS ON 17, CORRECT? WHERE, WHERE'S THE ADJUSTMENT? SO BASICALLY THE TOP OF THE, UH, YOU SEE THAT THE LARGE PARKING LOT, UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE SPLIT.
AND THE LO LOLLY ENTRANCE, THAT'S STILL, I SEE IT SAYS EMERGENCY EXIT ONLY.
IS THERE GONNA BE GATES? I MEAN THERE, THERE WOULD BE, UH, KNOCKDOWN.
YEAH, WE STILL WANTED, UM, PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE, TO RETAIL.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S LIKE A TWO AND A HALF MILE DRIVE TO GO AROUND THE PERIMETER RATHER THAN ESSENTIALLY A 1500 FOOT WALK.
YEAH, AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ON THE RADAR OR NOT, BUT I MEAN THIS LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT COULD BE ANOTHER ONE WHERE LIKE THE HARRISON DID, WHERE THEY HAD THE SIDEWALKS INTEGRATED RIGHT AT THE CURB TO MAKE THE ROOM IF NEED BE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GETTING TIGHT, BUT IF WE ARE, I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A FIT IN THERE.
YEAH, I THINK WE STILL HAVE, UM, THROUGH THE DETAILED PLAN, WE STILL HAVE TO WORK OUT THAT WEST EDGE.
UM, THAT WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE, THE ENGINEERING ON THE LAST DEVELOPMENT SIDE PLAN.
IT DOES SLOPE A LITTLE BIT, BUT YEAH.
AND IT, UH, IF WHERE THE ROAD'S COMING IN ACROSS THE TOP IS LOBLAW, I'M ASSUMING, RIGHT? UH, IT'S, YES, IT IS.
SO I MEAN, I, AGAIN, JUST LOOKING AHEAD CONCEPTUALLY, IF WE HAVE A WALKWAY THROUGH THE FRONT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED ONE GOING THROUGH THE PEOPLE'S BACKYARD ALSO, THAT WAS MY CONCERN BEFORE HAVING PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THE BACKYARD.
I'M NOT SURE HOW FAR AWAY THAT DISTANCE IS FROM HERE, BUT JUST SOMETHING AS WE GET TO THAT STAGE, YOU KNOW, TO THAT, THAT PATH OF STRANGERS, YOU KNOW, IN GETTING THEM OUT INTO THE FRONT, INTO THE LIGHTS INSTEAD OF IN THE BACKYARDS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LOOK AT.
THE WAY THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WORKED ON THE LAST ONE IS WE BASICALLY MOVED THAT WALKWAY TO THE FRONT OF, OF THESE UNITS.
THAT PROBABLY WILL LIKELY HAPPEN THIS TIME AS WELL.
ONE BACKYARDS PLUS, WE WANTED TO AVOID A RETAINING WALL, LIGHTING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU SIR.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
BEN WEINMAN, 2211 MEDINA ROAD, SUITE 100, MEDINA, OHIO, 4 4 2 5 6.
UM, AS AARON, UH, SUMMARIZED, WE'RE LOOKING, UH, REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A MINOR CHANGE HERE.
UM, AS HE POINTED OUT, 147 TOWNHOME UNITS IN THE REAR AND THEN 184 APARTMENTS UP FRONT.
UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOUR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE RETAIL SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, AS AARON POINTED OUT, THIS IS PURELY CONCEPTUAL.
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COMMERCIAL ONCE WE HAVE THE PROPERTY UNDER ACCOUNT CONTRACT AND EVERYTHING WITH THE HOPES OF, OF FILLING THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR FOR RETAIL.UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
MS. VARGO? I JUST WANT ONE THING CLARIFIED.
DID I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU BUILD THE FOUR STORE BUILDINGS THERE WILL BE AN ELEVATOR? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.
BUT ONLY IN THOSE BUILDINGS, NOT IN THE OTHER ONES, NO.
SO THE OTHER, THE OTHER PRODUCT IS A TWO STORE PRODUCT WITH STAIRS.
AND THESE ARE RENTALS OR PURCHASES? THEY'RE RENTALS.
AND THEY ARE MARKET RATE RENTALS? THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, MARKET RATE AND THERE ABOVE? YES.
COULD YOU SIGN IN PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY RECORD.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? ONE QUESTION.
JUST THOUGHT OF, I THINK IN THIS ONE THE COMMERCIAL APPROVAL BEFORE HAD NO DRIVE THROUGH DRIVE UP RETAIL.
IS THAT, AM I CORRECT THIS IS THAT AREA? UM, Y YES.
THE, UH, SO THERE WAS, THERE WASN'T AN OFFICIAL RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY, BUT NO DRIVE-THROUGHS WERE BEING PROPOSED, ALTHOUGH WE HAD A RESTRICTION ON THE BASIC APPROVAL PLAN.
SO BECAUSE WE WANTED PEOPLE TO GET OUT, IF WE SAY NO DRIVE THROUGH, BUT WE WILL ALLOW DRIVE, LIKE PICK UP AND DRIVE UP.
BUT I'LL DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT.
UM, JUST SOMETHING TO BE KEEP ON THE RADAR BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD SAID NO BECAUSE WE, WE DIDN'T WANT SOME OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN BACKUPS AT OTHER PLACES.
WE WANT 'EM TO PARK AND GO INTO MORE THAN ONE SHOP WHEN THEY STOP INSTEAD OF GET IN AND GET OUT AND ADD TO TRAFFIC FOR NOTHING ELSE.
AND, AND, AND THE WAY THIS WOULD BE ARRANGED WOULD FACILITATE THAT.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE PHASE TWO WILL COME BACK TO YOU AS THE, AS PART OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? OH, I'M SORRY MR. I'M SORRY.
I FORGOT ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO ASK.
AND THAT IS, WILL YOU HAVE, UM, A PERSON ON SITE AT ALL TIMES SINCE THIS IS RENTAL? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
AND WILL THEY LIVE THERE OR IS IT GOING TO BE NINE TO FIVE OR HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK AND WHERE WILL THEY UM, A LOT OF THE TIMES THE LEASING AGENT WILL LIVE ON SITE AND, AND QUITE FREQUENTLY THE MAINTENANCE MANAGER WILL ALSO LIVE ON SITE.
SO YES, THERE'LL BE A FULL-TIME LEASING AGENT AND THEN A FULL-TIME MAINTENANCE MANAGER AS WELL.
AND DO THEY LIVE IN ONE OF THE APARTMENTS OR WILL YOU HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE WHERE THEY ARE? IT THEY'LL HAVE AN OFFICE IN THE CLUBHOUSE.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A MAINTENANCE GARAGE SHOWN THAT THAT WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR MAINTENANCE MANAGER WORKS OUTTA THE MAINTENANCE GARAGE.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL LIVE IN AN APARTMENT ON SITE OR WITHIN A CERTAIN PROXIMITY IS KIND OF UP TO UP TO THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
UM, I'VE SEEN IT BOTH WAYS, BUT THERE IS A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT OTHERWISE THEY'RE ON SITE FIVE, FIVE DAYS MINIMUM, EIGHT HOURS TO 10 HOURS A DAY.
SO IT'S, IT WON'T NECESSARILY BE 24 HOURS? NO, NO.
BUT YOU WILL HAVE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY, NOT YOUR COMPANY.
UM, WE DO HAVE AN IN-HOUSE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, UHHUH, UM, WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL USE OUR IN-HOUSE MANAGEMENT COMPANY OR WE'LL OUTSOURCE IT, THAT'S STILL TO COME.
IS THERE A MOTION TO, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT GRANGER PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN? PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD CASE MC 24 28 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERETO MOVED BY MS. THOMAS.
MR. JEFFRIES? SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. CASSIDY? YES.
WHAT WOULD BE NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, WE WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO FINE TUNE THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, AND, UH, THEN MOVE FORWARD.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT LLCS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 168
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UNIT MARKET RATE.MULTI-FAMILY COMMUNITY PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT RED BUCKEYE DRIVE, CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY, DDP 24 27.
SO, UH, AS YOU JUST STATED, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A HUNDRED AND, UH, 68 UNIT MARKET RATE, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AT BASICALLY AT THE ENTRANCE OF CARRIERS TRAILS PARKWAY.
UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED, UH, IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
UH, YOU CAN SEE IT JUST SOUTH OF, UH, KERRY TRAILS PARKWAY ENTRANCE THERE, UH, OUTLINED IN, IN THE RED THERE WERE, UH, A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS, UM, MOST FAIRLY MINOR, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID VOTE THREE TO ZERO, UH, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS UNANIMOUS AT THE TIME.
UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, SOME OF THE NOTABLE CONDITIONS WERE THAT STREET TREES BE PROVIDED AT 40 FOOT IN, UH, INTERVALS ALONG RED BUCKEYE DRIVE AND 50 FOOT ALONG CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY.
UH, ASSIGNED PACKAGE THAT MET THE ZONING CODE, UH, A LIGHTING PLAN, A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UM, WE WANTED AN EASEMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE FOR A BIKEWAY, WHICH I'LL GET INTO, UM, IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
UH, AND THEN, UM, THE APPLICANT WOULD COMPLY WITH STORM WATER AND FIRE CODE, UM, REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE PRETTY STANDARD.
THIS WAS THE, UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSAL MAKE, UH, IT IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT YOU APPROVED.
UM, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN DOES SHOW, UH, STREET TREES ALONG RED BUCKEYE AS WELL AS CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY.
THERE IS A, UH, ENTRANCE, A SECONDARY ENTRANCE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE, OF THE SITE, EXCUSE ME, SOME RENDERINGS OF THE CLUBHOUSE, UH, AS WELL AS THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND THE MATERIALS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS DO MEET OUR, UH, ARE, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH OUR ZONING CODE RENDERING OF THE CLUBHOUSE, UH, POOL AREA, THE RESIDENT, UH, RESIDENT AMENITIES, UH, SIX FOOT ENTRANCE SIGN AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
VERY TAKING, UH, CUES FROM THE, UH, OVERALL CARRIAGE TRAILS, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AS FAR AS UM, COM CONSISTENCY WITH THE ZONING CODE, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UH, WE DID REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, ADD ADDITIONAL, UH, TREES ALONG THE WEST EDGE OF THE SITE ALONG GRANT PIKE, UM, RATHER THAN JUST AT THE PARKING LOT AREAS.
UH, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO DO THAT.
UH, IT DOES NEED TO BE IN COORDINATION WITH OUR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO BID OUT IN JANUARY FOR, UM, THE GRANT PIKE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE, UH, CONDITIONS IS THAT THEY RESUBMIT A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT, UH, WE APPROVE WITH ADDITIONAL, UM, STREET, UH, ADDITIONAL TREE PLANTINGS ON THE WEST SIDE THAT, UH, WE CAN COORDINATE WITH OUR, UM, PLANS.
WE ORIGINALLY WANTED TO PUT A, A MULTI-USE PATH, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
UH, WE ARE, AS I SAID, WE'RE IMPROVING RAMP PIKE.
WE'RE BRINGING UP THE EIGHT FOOT, UM, MULTI-USE PATH, UM, FROM THE, BASICALLY THE SOUTH CORP LINE OR THE NORTH CORP LINE UP TO, UP TO THIS, UH, SPOT.
UM, UH, BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY CONSTRUCTED, THE CHALLENGE THAT WE RAN INTO AND THE APPLICANT RAN INTO IS THE WAY THAT THE SITE SLOPES.
UM, BASICALLY THE BOTTOM CORNER HAS TO BE BUILT UP.
UH, AND WHAT WE FOUND OR WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT THE WAY IT WORKS OUT IS IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THAT BIKE PATH ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE WOULD EFFECTIVELY NEED A SEVEN FOOT RETAINING WALL STARTING ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER AND THEN TAPERING DOWN TO ABOUT A THREE AND A HALF FOOT RETAINING WALL, UH, ON THE BOTTOM, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE GARAGES.
UH, SO WE WOULD START ABOUT HERE, UH, AND THEN TAPER DOWN TO ABOUT HERE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING INSTEAD IS TO EXTEND THE EXISTING SIDEWALK AROUND THE PERIMETER AND THEN WE WON'T BRING UP OUR SIDEWALK.
INSTEAD OF TERMINATING HERE AND GOING ACROSS, WE'LL BRING IT UP TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ECONOMICAL.
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IT'S PROBABLY A BETTER USER EXPERIENCE THAN, UH, RIDING ALONG THE SEVEN, YOU KNOW, THE VERY TALL RETAINING WALL THAT'S ONLY GONNA BE A FEW FOOT, A FEW FEET AWAY FROM THAT ACTUAL, UH, BIKE PATH.UM, THE SITE DOES, UH, COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS, UH, APPROVED BY A PLANNING COMMISSION.
STAFF BELIEVES THIS PROPOSAL, UH, DOES MEET THE STANDARDS IT'S OUTLINED IN 11 71 0 9.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REPL THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON OCTOBER 22ND, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
AND THAT PRIOR TO ZONING PERMIT APPROVAL OR REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, SHALL BE SUBMITTED, UM, ILLUSTRATING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE DURING BUFFERING ALONG STATE ROUTE 2 0 1, UH, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL SO THAT WE CAN COORDINATE, UH, BOTH OF OUR PLANS ALONG 2 0 1.
SO, SO PRETTY QUICK ON THIS ONE, AARON, REAL QUICK, HOW WIDE IS THE, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
SO, UM, FIVE FEET OURS THAT WE'RE BUILDING UP, BRANT PIKE IS EIGHT FEET WIDE.
IT WILL TAPER INTO THE STANDARD FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK, UH, THAT IS THROUGHOUT THE REST OF CARRIAGES TRAIL DEVELOPMENT.
AND ANY PLANS THAT WE'VE HEARD OF TO EXTEND THAT TURN LANE GOING SOUTH ONTO BRANT PIKE? YES, SO ACTUALLY, UM, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR A REVISED LANDSCAPING PLAN, THE NEW TURN LANE BASICALLY COME DOWN TO ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS WILL COME DOWN, THIS WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL TURN LANE.
THE NEW, THE, THE SIDEWALK WILL BE ESSENTIALLY ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
SO YEAH, THE GRANT PIPE WILL BE TWO LANES ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE.
WE'RE ADDING ESSENTIALLY AN ITS OWN SOUTHBOUND LANE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ENGINEERING DRAWINGS ARE DONE.
WE ARE SEEKING, UH, COUNSEL APPROVAL TO GO OUT TO BID, UM, AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, WE'LL PROBABLY GO OUT TO BID IN JANUARY.
YEAH, SO THE, THE QUESTION I HAD AROUND THE GIVING UP THAT ACCESS LANE OUT FOR THE SIDEWALK WAS PARTLY WHAT I THINK DAVID WAS ALLUDING TO.
I MEAN, IT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS LOOP CONNECTOR AND THE, THE MULTI-USE PATH, THE, THE WIDER PATH.
AND I'M, I'M, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT I'M NOT A FAN AT ALL OF THE EMERGENCY LANES WITH THE KNOCKDOWN BALLARDS.
I JUST THINK IF IT'S CODE TO HAVE TWO ENTRANCES, WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO BUILD LOTS THAT MEET THAT IN THIS CASE.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S A LITTLE TIGHT, BUT WE HAD A PROPOSAL THAT MADE A FUNCTIONING USE OF THAT SECONDARY ENTRANCE THAT WE'RE NOW GONNA STILL HAVE THAT SECONDARY ENTRANCE BUT NOT HAVE THE FUNCTIONING USE.
SO THAT'S WHY IN THE EMAIL I SAID I WOULD ACTUALLY STILL LIKE TO DISCUSS IT AMONGST THE GROUP.
UM, I, I DO THINK THERE'S BENEFIT TO THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ACTUALLY BEING PUSHED THAT FAR AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION INSTEAD OF INTO THE INTERSECTION.
AND UH, AND I WOULD IMAGINE WHEN WE HAVE THE REDEVELOPMENT ACROSS OF THE, THE, THE LAYING OUT AND THE LIGHT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ACCESS FROM THE OTHER SIDE OUT THE 2 0 1 SOMEHOW.
SO I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY, I DUNNO IF WE HAVE, IF WE'RE FAR ENOUGH ALONG ON THE DESIGN TO BE ABLE TO SEE ANY OF THAT, BUT THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON I SAID IN THE EMAIL, I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
IT'S NOT A HILL I'M GONNA DIE ON, BUT I I, I WAS SHOCKED THAT WE NEEDED A SEVEN FOOT WALL WHEN I WENT OUT AND WALKED IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN THE WATERSTONE RIGHT NEXT TO IT ALREADY.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE, THE WALL CAME FROM, BUT I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO SEE WE'RE GONNA PUT THE LANE IN, THEN USE THE ACTUAL FUNCTIONING USE BY TAKING OUT THE, UH, THE WIDER MULTI-USE BIKE PATH.
SO I JUST WOULDN PUT THAT OUT TO THE REST OF THE GROUP.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS JUST MY, THE REASON I SAID NO ON THE EMAIL.
SO YOUR DISCUSSION, I DON'T THINK I WAS HERE FOR THAT MEETING.
I DON'T, I BARELY VOTED YES ON IT, BUT YEAH.
SO WHAT, WHAT DID THE PREVIOUS ITERATION OF THIS LOOK LIKE? IT WAS VERY SIMILAR.
UM, THE, WHAT THE, THE PREVIOUS ITERATION HAD.
WELL, SO THE FIRST ITERATION HAD AN EMERGENCY EXIT OFF OF, WELL, AN ENTRANCE OFF OF BRANT PIKE.
AND WE SCRAPPED THAT IMMEDIATELY.
UM, THERE WAS THEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THE, THE SECONDARY EMERGENCY ACCESS WORK FOR THE FIRE CODE.
SO THE, THE FIRE CODE REQUIRES A SECONDARY ENTRANCE FOR THIS NUMBER OF UNITS.
TYPICALLY IN THE PAST, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS THAT INSTEAD OF THE, THIS BEING BASICALLY A DRIVEWAY OR A, UM, IT
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WOULD JUST BE TURF.UH, AND THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, WANTED TO AVOID IS THERE WERE CONCERNED THAT THE NEXT GENERATION OF UH, EMS PROFESSIONALS WOULDN'T REALLY REALIZE IT'S THERE 'CAUSE IT WOULD JUST LOOK LIKE GRASS.
UM, SO THEY WERE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, THAT LOOKED MORE LIKE A DRIVEWAY.
UH, AND SO THE PROPOSAL WAS TO BASICALLY, UH, SO THAT WAS A 16 FOOT, I BELIEVE, A 16 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY GOING IN FOR THE EMERGENCY PURPOSES TO MEET FIRE CODE.
AND THEN IT WOULD TAPER TO AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK THAT WE WERE, WE WOULD CONSTRUCT TO THE SOUTH.
IT ACTUALLY HAD ONE PROPOSAL, DAVID, WHERE THE PARKING LOT GOES NORTH ONTO CT PARKWAY WHERE IT WENT ONTO CT PARKWAY.
I'M GLAD WE DIDN'T DO THAT ONE.
UH, YEAH, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE, IF ANY, FOR THAT SOUTH ENTRANCE TO BE USABLE? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT WOULD WE BE LOSING? WOULD WE BE LOSING PARKING SPACES OR WOULD WE BE IMPACTING BUILDINGS AT THAT STAGE? WELL, I MEAN, IT ONLY SERVES THIS IN ALL LIKELIHOOD THAT SOUTH ENTRANCE WILL NEVER BE USED.
IT ONLY SATISFIES THE FIRE CODE IN CASE THERE'S AN ACCIDENT AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND THEY NEED TO GET, I SEE.
UH, EMS TRUCK BACK THROUGH THERE.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD EVER BE USED IN OUR LIFETIME, BUT CODE REQUIRES IT.
THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO MAKE AN EXTRA WIDE, UM, ENTRANCE.
BUT THE, THE, THE DEPTH OF THE LOT DOESN'T REALLY, THE NU THE NUMBERS DON'T WORK.
IF THE LOT WAS A LITTLE BIT LONGER, YOU CAN MAKE A WIDER BOULEVARD ENTRANCE AND STILL SATISFY THE CODE.
THAT STILL LOOKS LIKE A REALLY TIGHT TURNING RADIUS THOUGH, AT THAT 90 DEGREE BEND AS IT GOES IN.
THEY'RE BETTER DRIVERS THAN I AM.
I, I I MEAN I THINK I'M OKAY WITH IT.
UM, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH UNITS HERE WHERE I THINK WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE TWO MM-HMM.
SO AS MUCH AS IT'D BE NICE, BUT I DO THINK THE RETAINING WALL, I, I DON'T LIKE ON A BIKE PATH, BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT KIDS, THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA RUN INTO THAT WALL IF THEY'RE MY KIDS.
THAT, THAT WAS THE REASON I DIDN'T LIKE IT.
NOT THAT I DON'T WANNA SEE KIDS RUN INTO THE WALL, BUT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT WE WOULD HAVE A, A GRAFFITI, UH, PROBLEM THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH WELL, THAT THE APARTMENT MANAGER WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? JUST WANT MR. JEFF GO AHEAD.
COMMENT, I GUESS THAN ANYTHING ON THE, THE RENDERINGS AND I NOT TO GET, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE AT THE DETAILED STAGE.
I GUESS IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO DO TO MAKE IT NOT BE A CUT AND PASTE OF THE HAYDEN FROM A LOOK STANDPOINT, THAT'D BE APPRECIATED.
BUT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S LITERALLY A CUT AND PASTE.
THEIR BUSINESS, THEIR MODEL JUST FOR US, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD OF THE COOKIE CUTTER YEAH.
THAT IS AS COOKIE CUTTER AS IT GETS.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, GOOD EVENING.
MY ADDRESS IS 1 5 5 3 GR NOL ROAD, COLUMBUS, OHIO, 4 3 2 2 1 WITH HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT.
UH, HERE OBVIOUSLY FOR THE DDP APPROVAL, UH, THIS WILL BE HOMESTEAD'S SECOND PROJECT IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
UH, WE HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH HAYDEN PARK AND UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, TO A SECOND PROJECT.
UM, AARON, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD GO INTO ANY MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT THAT ODOT MANHOLE NUMBER THREE AND HOW IT KIND OF CAUSED THE SITE TO BE RAISED.
SO MR. JEFFRIES, UM, ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE, UH, OF THE PLAN, I GUESS I'LL COME OVER.
AARON, WOULD YOU MIND GOING TO THE GRADING PLAN REAL QUICK? THE UTILITY PLAN, SORRY, THERE'S A, I DUNNO IF I HAVE IT ON HERE ON THE SIDE.
I JUST HAVE THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
WELL AS A YEAH, THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH.
SO AS A RESULT OF THE ODOT WORK WITH THE EXPANSION OF RAMP PIKE, UM, THAT MANHOLE, UH, WELL THERE'S NO MANHOLE NOW IT'S CULVER THAT GOES UNDERNEATH RAMP PIKE.
THE INVERT ELEVATION OF THAT CAUSED OUR ENTIRE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PLAN TO BE RAISED ABOUT THREE OR FIVE FEET SO THAT WE COULD MAKE THE SLOPE AND MAKE THE GRADE, MAKE THE PITCH TO GET TO THAT, WHICH THEN CAUSED THE WHOLE
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KIND OF IRREGULARITY WITH THE BIKE PATH.AND IT BECAME COSTLY, VERY COSTLY, I THINK LIKE 150 TO THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WE EXPLORED LIKE EXTENDED FOOTERS, UH, PAVERS AND ALSO THE REINFORC REINFORCED SOIL SLOPE.
SO THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON WHY THE CHANGE.
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY PICKED UP WHEN WE SUBMITTED, UM, BY OCTOBER 22ND TO MAKE THIS HEARING.
AND THEN AARON STARTED TO LOOK AT IT WITH RUSS AND THEN OUR CIVIL WAS LIKE, WELL WE'VE GOT KIND OF AN ISSUE ON THAT SOUTH SIDE, SO I DON'T WANT IT TO EVER COME ACROSS LIKE IT WAS A BAIT AND SWITCH AT ALL.
IT WAS MORE SO JUST TRYING TO HIT THE TIMING AND THEN SUBSEQUENT INVESTIGATION AND, UH, DISCOVERY.
SO NOT THAT YOU WANTED TO HEAR THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPLANATION OF SURE.
THE FUN WE'VE HAD THE PAST TWO OR THREE WEEKS.
BUT ANYWAYS, I'M UP HERE, UM, TO ANSWER ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
I'M, I'M JUST SO YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE REASON FOR THE CONCERN AND THE QUESTION IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE LOOP AROUND THE CITY CONNECTING THROUGH CARE TRAILS AND DOING THIS WIDER MULTI-USE PATH AND THEN WE HAD ONE AND IT'S NOT THERE.
I MEAN I UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU RUN INTO STUFF AND JUST THAT, THAT IS THE REASON I SAID I WANTED TO HAVE EXTRA DISCUSSION AROUND IT INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING SURE.
WE ACTUALLY KIND OF LIKED THE IDEA THAT IT WENT INSIDE THE, UM, THE FENCE LINE AND IT'S WITHIN OUR SETBACK THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE AND OBVIOUSLY AFTER DECK TRANSFERRED THE LAND UP AROUND BRANT PIKE TO THE CITY, THAT WAS KIND OF A NICE EXTENSION OF THE MULTI-USE PATH, BUT I HEAR YA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? THANK YOU SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN? PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT RED BUCKEYE DRIVE, CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY CASE DDP 24 27 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED NOVEMBER 6TH, 2024 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERETO.
SO MOVE BY, UH, MR. THERE SECOND.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE MR. JEFFRIES? YES.
WHAT IS NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, SO WE WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO COORDINATE THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT EAST SIDE, UH, ALONG GRANT, UH, PIKE SO THAT WE ARE, UM, KIND OF BOTH WORKING COOPERATIVELY TO GET THE PROJECTS UH, COMPLETED AT THE SAME TIME.
NEXT ITEM, UH, IS ADDITIONAL BUSINESS OR 2025 MEETING SCHEDULE MR. LL IT'S JUST BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO, TO EVERYONE.
ALRIGHT,
UH, NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 15TH, 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE APPROVED.
NEXT ITEM IS REPORTS AND COUNTER REVIEW.
MR. RE, UM, YEAH, AT THIS POINT, UM, WE HAVE ONE APPLICATION FOR REZONING AT, UH, OLD SHORT PIKE AND, UH, POWELL ROAD AND YEAH.
IS IT POWELL, RIGHT? YEAH, POWELL.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THE POTENTIAL BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF CARRIAGES, TRAILS TWO, BUT THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE ONLY APPLICATIONS THAT WE'VE, WELL WE HAVE ONE APPLICATION I'M HEARING WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SECOND.
UH, SO THE REZONING IS BEHIND, UH, DONATOS FOR A POTENTIAL, UH, CAR LOT AUTO SALES MILE FROM THE OTHER ONE HALF A MILE ABOUT PROBABLY LESS.
SO WE, WE RECEIVED THE APPLICATION.
I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT YET.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HEARING NOTHING ELSE? WE STAND ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT AND PARTICIPATING TONIGHT.
HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE THIS OFF TOMORROW AND I'LL BE ABLE TO TALK WITHOUT, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO.