Sep 17, 2024 Council Work Session

BUT WE ACTUALLY PUT IT IN LAST YEAR.

HI, UH, GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

UH, I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, COUPLE GRAPHS HERE AND THEN, UH, A COUPLE MAPS.

UM, WHAT I HAVE FIRST HERE IS THE, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THIS BEFORE.

THE TOP ONE IS WATER MAIN BREAKS BY YEAR, UH, FOR THE LAST, UH, 12 YEARS FROM 2011.

UH, YOU CAN SEE LAST YEAR THAT WE HAD 35, UH, WATER MAIN BREAKS.

UH, AND IT'S DOWN FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

IT'S, IT'S SOLELY DECREASING.

SO, UH, THE WORST ONE IN 2020 IS WHEN, UH, AFTER WE SOFTENED AND WE HAD THE MOST BREAKS AT THAT TIME.

UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM GRAPH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THIS YEAR, UH, WE HAD ACTUALLY ABOUT 10 OR 11 IN JANUARY WAS THE WORST, MAINLY DUE TO THE COLD.

UH, A FEW OF THESE ON THIS CHART ARE ACTUALLY FROM, UH, CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE HIT SERVICE LINES.

AND THEN IT, IT CAUSES A, WE POINTED OUT AS A BREAK BECAUSE SOMETIMES THERE ARE BOIL ALERTS.

SO THAT'S WHY WE DO THAT.

BUT SO FAR THIS YEAR WE'VE ONLY HAD 23.

UH, WE'RE IN AUGUST.

UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT, UH, BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WE HAVE LESS THAN LAST YEAR.

UH, WHICH LIKE I SAID, WAS 35.

UH, TYPICALLY PRIOR TO THE, UH, UH, SOFTENING, WE'VE HAD ABOUT 50 TO 60 A YEAR.

SO WE'RE WAY DOWN EVEN FROM THAT, UH, IN YEARS PAST.

UM, WHAT I WANTED TO GO OVER, I GOT THREE MAPS HERE.

UH, THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT, THIS WAS FROM 2022,

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UH, IN THE BOTTOM CORNER THERE, IT HAS, UH, PROJECT COST IN THIS ONE WAS 2.1 MILLION.

WE REPLACED 7,800 LINEAR FEET OF WATER MAIN.

UH, WE DID ONE FULL STREET, WHICH I THINK WAS HELLWIG, AND THEN WE DID SIX PARTIAL STREETS THERE.

LEMME CHANGE THAT.

THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, 2023 PROGRAM.

ALL THESE ARE PROGRAMS ARE SET UP.

IT SAYS 23, BUT WE TYPICALLY DO 'EM THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

WE STARTED THE YEAR BEFORE WITH DESIGN.

UH, THIS YEAR WE DID THE 2023.

AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE STREETS WE'VE DONE.

THERE WERE FIVE FULL STREETS, THREE PARTIAL STREETS.

UH, PROJECT COST WAS 3.9 MILLION.

UH, AND WE DID 11,500 LINEAR FEET OF, OF REPLACEMENT.

AND WHAT THIS MAP IS, IS THE LATEST WE HAVE, UM, THIS, WE KIND OF SET UP, WE, WE HAVE $20 MILLION KIND OF SET ASIDE FOR FUTURE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENTS.

WE STARTED WITH DESIGN OF $10 MILLION WORTH.

AND THIS MAP SHOWS ALL THE STREETS WE CAN DO FOR 10 MILLION.

THAT'S 32,500 LINEAR FEET OF PIPE.

IT'S 13 FULL STREETS, 10 PARTIAL STREETS.

UH, HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IS, UH, THEY'RE GETTING DESIGNED NOW.

BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WE SHOULD HAVE 'EM ALL DESIGNED.

AND FOR NEXT YEAR, WHEN WE BID THIS OUT, EITHER PROBABLY JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, WE'LL DECIDE HOW MUCH WE'RE GONNA DO AND WHICH STREETS WE CAN PICK TO DO.

SO WE CAN, WE HAVE THESE ALL, UH, SET UP DESIGNED SEPARATELY SO WE CAN PULL ANYONE AT THE STREET WE WANT TO DO AT ANY TIME.

AND, UM, MOSTLY STREETS WE'RE ALL SET UP, UH, BASED OFF OF THE WATER INTEGRITY STUDY.

WE HAD DONE A LOT OF, A LOT OF THAT IN THAT, UH, STUDY POINTED OUT CRITICAL AREAS.

AND WE ARE REPLACING A LOT OF PIPES IN THOSE CRITICAL AREAS.

BUT WHAT THE, THE, UH, INTEGRITY STUDY DIDN'T SEPARATE OUT WAS STREETS THAT WERE PAVED WITHIN THE LAST FIVE TO 10 YEARS.

SO THEY DIDN'T GO BY PAVING.

SO WE HAD TO REFINE THAT A LITTLE BIT, USE THAT STUDY, BUT YET WE HAD TO LOOK, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT WATER MAIN IN STREETS THAT WERE PAVED, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE LAST FIVE TO 10 YEARS EVEN.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT LEAST 10 YEARS OLD.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

UM, I WILL BE BRINGING BACK AT THE END OF THE YEAR WITH THE NEXT PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN START NEXT YEAR.

THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD REPORT.

UM, ON THE ONE THAT JUST BROKE ON TAYLORSVILLE, YOU SAID THAT WAS A RERE IF IT BROKE PREVIOUSLY, DO WE KNOW WHY IT BROKE AND, AND IF IT'S, IF AND WHEN IT, SO TALKING TO GARY TODAY, I WAS DOWN THERE AND BASICALLY, SO IF WE GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO, IF RUSS, YOU'LL HAVE TO CORRECT ME.

DECEMBER OF 22.

ON THE 23RD.

SO IT WAS 30 DEGREES, IT WAS NIGHTTIME, IT WAS 10 DEGREES BELOW ZERO ROAD.

SO THEY, THEY'RE SURMISING THAT OBVIOUSLY THE TEMPERATURE AND THE, AND THE, UM, LACK OF LIGHTING OR WHATEVER, THEY MAY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING ON THE UNDERSIDE OF THE PIPE.

THEY PUT THIS CLAMP ON, IT'S GOT A, A RUBBER GASKET, IF YOU WILL ON IT.

THEY'RE THINKING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T GET CLEANED THE WAY IT SHOULD.

SO THAT'S WHAT THEY TOOK EXTRA TIME TODAY, EXPOSED THE ENTIRE AREA AROUND THE PIPE, CLEANED EVERYTHING OFF.

THEY PUT ANOTHER CLAMP ON.

AND WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THAT'S THE, THAT WAS THE ISSUE.

SO, SO DO WE HAVE THAT ON THE SCHEDULE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO BE REPLACED? OR IS IT CRITICAL? THAT I DO FEEL IS A CRITICAL LINE THAT THERE'S A 20 FROM THE PLANT RUNNING UP TAYLORSVILLE, THERE'S A 24 INCH WATER MAIN.

WHEN IT HITS RIGHT IN THIS AREA AT TIMBER HILL TWIST, IT CHANGES OVER TO A 20 INCH WATER MAIN AND GOES FOR ANOTHER COUPLE HUNDRED FEET.

I WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THAT, BOTH THOSE LINES, NOT TO REPLACE, I WANT TO PUT UP A BACKUP LINE BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAIN LINE COMING OUT OF THE PLANT.

AND IF THOSE LINES HAVE BREAKS, THEN THE PLANT HAS TO SHUT DOWN IN ORDER TO FIX 'EM.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TO DO TODAY.

LUCKILY, WE, THE LEAK WAS VERY MINOR LAST NIGHT.

UM, WE, LAST NIGHT WE, UH, FILLED ALL THE WATER TOWERS BEST WE COULD.

AND THEN, SO THIS MORNING THEY COULD WORK ON IT.

I DID STOP THERE AT FOUR, FOUR O'CLOCK TODAY THEY PUT A NEW CLAMP ON IT, BUT IT STILL HAS A MINOR LEAK.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO DO A DIFF DIFFERENT OPTION.

THEY'RE GONNA REPLACE A PIECE OF THE PIPE, UH, SMALL SECTION OF IT, BUT THEY CAN'T DO IT TILL MONDAY.

BUT THEY WERE ABLE, IT'S SUCH A SMALL LEAK THAT THEY CAN STILL TURN PLANT BACK ON AND GET EVERYTHING BACK UP.

SO WE'RE GONNA WAIT LIKE TILL PROBABLY MONDAY THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND HOPEFULLY THEY'RE GONNA FIX IT CORRECTLY THEN.

SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A MINOR LEAK.

HEY RUS, I, THE 23 WATER BREAKS, SO, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY WERE CONSTRUCTION RELATED? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT I WOULD SAY AT LEAST FOUR TO FIVE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

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HEY JOHN BRUSS.

APPRECIATE THAT UPDATE.

YES, SIR.

NEXT ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE COURT.

IS THAT ALL YOU HAD, JOHN? WHAT'S THAT? WAS THAT ALL YOU HAD TO YOUR, THAT'S IT.

IS THE ARTS AND EDUCATION COMMISSION UPDATE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

NEXT IS THREE B, WHICH

[ Arts And Beautification Commission Update]

HOW ARE YOU? I AM WELL.

HOW ARE YOU GUYS TONIGHT? GOOD, THANK YOU.

SO ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION HAS HAD A BUSY SUMMER AFTER WORKING ON THE PARADE AND THE 4TH OF JULY.

WE CONTINUED WITH OUR MOVIE NIGHTS, UH, HAPPENING ONCE A MONTH, UM, THANKS TO PEACE AND ILITY, UH, COMMUNICATORS, FIRST CHRISTIAN CHURCH AND PARKS AND REC, UM, MESSY MEATBALL FOR PARTNERING WITH US TO JUST ADD EXTRA EVENTS TO THOSE NIGHTS TO MAKE 'EM FUN.

AND, UH, A LOT OF, WE WERE ABLE TO OFFER A LOT OF THINGS FOR FREE BECAUSE OF THEM, SO IT WAS REALLY NICE.

UM, OUR LAST TWO MOVIES AS CITY MANAGER SAID, UM, WILL BE THIS FRIDAY AND ONE IN OCTOBER.

UH, HOCUS POCUS.

UH, WE HANDED OUT THE BEAUTIFICATION AWARDS.

THANKS FOR EVERYONE WHO NOMINATED SOMEONE.

AND, UH, YOU GUYS WERE NICE ENOUGH TO HAND THOSE OUT HERE AT CITY COUNCIL.

UH, OUR LAST EVENT FOR THE YEAR IS GONNA BE THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING DECEMBER, UH, WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK THE TEAM REMIX THAT BROUGHT ALL THE FAMILIES TOGETHER, PLAYED GAMES, AND HE KIND OF EMCEED THE, UH, THE EVENT MADE IT REALLY FUN, EXCITING.

UM, SO WE ARE BRINGING THEM BACK FOR THE INTERACTION.

UH, WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK THE SCHOOLS TO SING WITH US.

THERE'LL BE HAY RIDES, UM, FREE REFRESHMENTS, PARK, AND REC'S GONNA DO HOT CHOCOLATE.

UM, SO IN SAN OF COURSE SANTA WILL BE THERE.

UM, WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE AND RECOGNIZE, UH, WE HAVE A NEW VICE CHAIR.

HER NAME IS CHERYL.

MOST OF YOU KNOW HER BRANDENBURG, AND THAT WAS VOTED ON ON MONDAY.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO PLANNING FOR THE NEW YEAR.

WHICH IS TAX RATE CERTIFICATION FROM MEMBER, UH, FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

WE APPRECIATE THE UPDATE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

OKAY, NEXT IS ITEM THREE C,

[ Tax Rate Certification - Montgomery County]

JIM.

UH, YES, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UH, I HAVE BEFORE YOU, UH, IN YOUR COUNCIL PACKETS.

UH, THE, UM, ANNUAL, UH, BUDGET COMMISSION, UH, RATES THAT THEY, UH, THEY SET, THEY SEND THOSE, UH, TO ME.

AND, UH, UH, WE HAVE SOME FOR MONTGOMERY COUNTY, SOME FOR MIAMI COUNTY.

THIS IS, UM, UH, THEIR ESTIMATE FOR WHAT OUR PROPERTY TAX LEVIES WILL BRING IN.

UH, FOR THE, UH, MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

THE ONE BEFORE YOU.

UH, THIS ITEM, UH, APPROXIMATELY $3.6 MILLION WILL BE COMING IN IN PROPERTY TAXES NEXT YEAR.

AND WE JUST NEED TO FORMALLY APPROVE THIS AND SEND IT BACK TO THEM.

AND THEY WILL PUT THOSE IN PLACE, UH, ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILLS GOING OUT IN JANUARY.

UH, YES, UH, EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM? OKAY.

AND NEXT, SAME THING FOR MIAMI COUNTY.

[ Tax Rate Certification - Miami County]

MIAMI COUNTY, UH, SENT, UH, SENT ME THEIR RATES AND, UH, THEIR ESTIMATE IS, UM, $28,156 AND 16 CENTS, UH, FOR MIAMI COUNTY.

AND ONCE AGAIN, UH, THEY NEED THIS, UH, UM, APPROVED BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH.

UH, SO THAT WAY IT CAN BE, UH, SUBMITTED TO THEM AND IN TIME FOR THEM TO DO EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO DO AND GET IT ON THE TAX BILLS FOR JANUARY.

ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY, THE NEXT IS THREE E TOWN

[ Thomas Cloud Park - Sidewalk/Curbs - Brandt Pike - Award Contract]

CLOUD PARK, SIDEWALK AND CURBS, UH, FOR BRANT PIKE AND AWARD THAT CONTRACT.

I THINK WE'RE ALL PROBABLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS.

UH, YES.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS HAND THIS OUT TO YOU.

UH, THIS WAS PUT IN TOO LATE.

WE HAD A GOOD OPENING ON FRIDAY AND IT WAS TOO LATE TO MAKE.

SO THIS IS JUST, UM, SO THIS LEGISLATION WILL AUTHORIZE THE AWARD AND ENTER TO A CONTRACT, UH, FOR THE INSTALLATION OF CURB AND SIDEWALK ON BRAND PIKE IN FRONT OF TOM CLOUD PARK.

UH, THE BID OPENING WAS LAST WEEK ON FRIDAY, AND PERFORMANCE SITE DEVELOPMENT WAS THE LOW BIDDER AND THE BEST BIDDER FOR THE PROJECT.

UH, AND THE BID TABULATION IS IN THAT PACKET ALONG WITH A LOCATION MAP.

UM, THE FOUR CONTRA, THE FOUR CONTRACTORS BID ON THE PROJECT PERFORMANCE.

SITE DEVELOPMENT WAS A LOW BIDDER AT $465,681 AND 64 CENTS.

UM, RB JERGENS WAS SECOND AT $26,000 HIGHER.

THIRD WAS DOUBLE J CONSTRUCTION AT $93,000 HIGHER.

AND THE FOURTH WAS OUTDOOR

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ENTERPRISE AT 147,000 HIGHER.

UH, THE COMPLETION TIME FOR THIS FROM THIS COMPANY IS 92 DAYS.

SO THAT PROJECT IS SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

UM, WE HAVE A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF 513,000, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 10, 10% OVER THE BID AMOUNT.

UM, AND THE CONTRACTOR, AS SOON AS WE GET THIS PASSED, WOULD LIKE TO GET STARTED AFTER WE CONTRACT SIGNED.

SO THERE'S START PRETTY QUICK.

AND THIS IS FUNDED THROUGH THE PARKS FUND, UH, THE STREET FUND AND THE STORM SEWER FUND.

THREE DIFFERENT FUNDS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? YES.

UM, YEAH, RAZ, HAVE WE USED THIS CONTRACTOR BEFORE? UH, NO, THEY'RE OUT OF, WELL, WE, THEY USED TO BE ANOTHER NAME, UH, YEARS AGO.

UH, WE DID USE 'EM BACK ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, BUT SINCE THEN, UH, THEY'VE BEEN ON A FEW PROJECTS AND HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY OF 'EM UNTIL NOW.

UH, THEY'RE OUT OF FAIRBORNE AND I, THEY DO A LOT OF WORK IN FAIRBORNE, SO I CONTACTED THE ENGINEER OVER THERE AND HE SAID THEY WERE ALRIGHT TO WORK WITH.

GOOD.

UM, THE OTHER IS JUST A DATA POINT.

UM, WHEN I LOOKED YOUR MAP THERE, UHHUH , IT SHOWS OUR BOUNDARY ON THE, UM, EAST SIDE OF, UH, 2 0 1.

I THOUGHT THAT OUR BOUNDARY SPLIT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

YOU TALKING ABOUT THE COURT LINE? ISN'T THAT WHAT THE RED LINE IS THAT IT SHOWS? THAT'S WHERE OUR CITY BOUNDARY, THE CITY CORP LINE IS THE, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE EAST SIDE OF RAMP PIKE, WHICH IS THAT RED LINE AT THE RIGHT BOTTOM OF UNDERNEATH THE ROAD.

SO, OH, THAT'S THE CORPORATION LINE? YEAH, THAT'S THE CITY LIMITS.

IT'S CORP.

SO THAT ROAD IS ALL IN THE CITY.

UH, I I THOUGHT IT WAS RIVERSIDE.

UH, WELL, RIVERSIDE'S JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT ONE.

YEAH, YEAH, I KNOW THE TOPOGRAPHY OVER THERE ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO DO ANYTHING IN IT, BUT YEAH, WE HAD, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR OPTIONS TO TRY TO PUT SOMETHING ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD, BUT WE FELT IT WASN'T ON THE PARK SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THE, IT DROPS OFF REALLY FAST AND IT REALLY WASN'T A GOOD PLACE TO PUT A SIDEWALK.

THANK, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US.

HOW CLOSE DID THE SIDEWALK COME TO THE RTA SHELTER THAT'S THERE FOR ACCESS PURPOSES? UH, IT WILL COME RIGHT UP.

YOU CAN ON THAT MAP, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A SIDEWALK GOING UP TO THE, TO THE, UH, SHELTER, UH, JUST RIGHT OF THE ENTRANCE INTO THE PARK.

WAY LEFT ON THE, ON THE MAP, THE ENTRANCE GOING INTO THE PARK.

THERE'S A, YOU CAN SEE A WHITE LINE THERE.

IT'S THE SIDEWALK GOING TO THE SHELTER.

SO OUR SIDEWALK IS PRETTY MUCH ALONG THE ROAD AND IT'LL, IT'LL RUN INTO THAT WALK THAT GOES STRAIGHT UP THERE.

SO SOMEBODY COULD CONCEIVABLY TAKE THE SIDEWALK DOWN, MAKE A RIGHT TURNING.

YES, THEY ON CEMENT.

OKAY, GREAT.

THEY HAVE A CONCRETE WALK ALL THE WAY FROM THE SIDEWALK UP TO THE, OKAY, GREAT.

THREE F, WHICH IS CITY STAFFING LEVELS IN THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS MONDAY? OKAY, AND NEXT IS ITEM

[ City Staffing Levels/Table Of Organization]

KIND OF POLICE WORK ARE THEY DOING? OR IS IT ALL JUST KIND OF TRAINING? ARE THEY WITH SOMEBODY OR WHAT'S THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? THEY HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 20 YEARS OF AGE BECAUSE, UH, THE ACADEMY WILL RUN.

OH, I DIDN'T SEE YOU BACK THERE, .

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

THIS LEGISLATION AUTHORIZES OUR STAFFING LEVELS FOR THE CITY.

AND, UM, AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF CHIEF LIGHTNER, HE WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD A POLICE CADET OFFICER PROGRAM.

SO THIS WILL BRING IN CANDIDATES WHO HAVE NOT BEEN TO THE ACADEMY, AND WE WILL SEND THEM TO THE ACADEMY.

UH, THE COST IS APPROXIMATELY, HE PUT IN HERE 5,500, AND I'VE ATTACHED THIS IF YOU GUYS HAVEN'T SEEN IT, BUT IT'S IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL, SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR WHAT THIS IS FOR.

UM, IT WILL BE A FULL-TIME POSITION, NON-UNION.

UH, THE PAY WILL BE 15% BELOW WHAT A PROBATIONARY POLICE OFFICER RATE OF PAY IS.

UM, THEY WILL RECEIVE FULL BENEFITS SUCH AS HEALTHCARE, VACATION TIME, UH, SICK LEAVE, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

UM, LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE HE HAS IN HERE ALSO, UM, IF THEY DO NOT COMPLETE THE ACADEMY, THEY WILL, WE HAVE A PROVISION IN HERE WHERE THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY THAT BACK.

SO WE WILL PAY IT UP FRONT, AND THEN IF FOR SOME REASON THEY DON'T PASS IT, WE WILL, UM, DO THAT OPTION OF, THEY WILL PAY THAT BACK A HUNDRED PERCENT, 75% OR 50% DEPENDING ON HOW MANY YEARS THEY WERE THEY WERE ACTUALLY HERE.

UM, I GUESS I CAN TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF LIGHTNER IF HE HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO IT'S JUST, I MEAN, WOULD THIS BE FOR WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE LIKE THE MAXIMUM OF APPLICANTS? IS THIS JUST, IS IT JUST WHAT IT WOULD COST PER 5,500 PER APPLICANT? OR WE LOOKING TO DO? SO IT WOULD BE, WE WOULD RUN A REGULAR HIRING PROCESS AND THEN WE WOULD ESTABLISH THAT AN ELIGIBILITY LIST.

AND IF WE HAVE A CANDIDATE ON THAT LIST WHO IS READY TO GO TO THE ACADEMY, WE'LL PUT THEM THROUGH.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT MULTIPLE, WE'RE GONNA DO MULTIPLE.

NO, I THINK WE START WITH JUST, WE'LL START WITH ONE IF ON THE LIST AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.

WHAT KIND OF WORK CAN THEY DO AS YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE, I REALIZE THAT THE PAY IS LESS.

SO WHAT

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YOU MIGHT WANNA GET ON, NOT SURE THEY HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 20 YEARS OF AGE TO QUALIFY, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BE 21, UM, WHEN THEY COMPLETE THE ACADEMY.

SO IF THERE'S A MONTH OR TWO BEFORE THE ACADEMY BEGINS, UH, THAT THEY START, THEN THEY WILL SHADOW DETECTIVES, DISPATCH, PATROL, AND THEY'LL GET A LOT OF THEIR ORIENTATION WEEK OUT OF THE WAY.

ALSO, WE HAVE AN ORIENTATION WEEK WHERE YOU HAVE TO WATCH A LOT OF VIDEOS.

YOU HAVE TO GET TRAINED ON A LOT OF THINGS.

UM, SO THEY WILL ACTUALLY, WHEN THEY COME BACK FROM THE ACADEMY AND THE ACADEMY'S OVER, THEY'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE ON HOW THINGS OPERATE IN THE DIVISION BEFORE THEY EVEN GET STARTED.

THANKS.

I, I'LL JUST SAY IT AGAIN.

I MEAN, I LIKE THIS OUT OF THE BOX THINKING THAT WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING TO, TO HIRE STAFF.

AND I THINK IT, IT ALL COMES BACK DOWN TO AVAILABILITY OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET INTO PUBLIC SERVICE, PUBLIC EMS AND, UM, CERTAINLY NOT, NOT A LACK OF THIS COUNCIL, UH, APPROVING FUNDS TO HIRE PEOPLE AND ALL THOSE THINGS OR, OR THE ROOM.

I THINK HOPEFULLY THIS COUNCIL HAS DEMONSTRATED THE ABILITY AND, AND THE DESIRE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN STAFF AS MUCH AS WE'RE ASKED TO STAFF.

AND, UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND PERSONNEL IS ALWAYS, IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE, SO, UM, BUT WE APPRECIATE IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES.

BE ITEM 3G, WHICH IS THE CITY SALARY RANGES.

ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ON? OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND NEXT WOULD

[ City Salary Ranges/Wage Levels]

AND WAGE LEVELS.

KATE? YES.

SO THIS GOES WITH THE FIRST ITEM.

UM, THIS JUST SETS THE SALARY RANGE, WHICH I MENTIONED IT WAS 15% BELOW WHAT A PATROL OFFICER WOULD BE.

SO THAT'S IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY SECTION BELOW THE ACTUAL PAY GRADES THAT YOU SEE.

SO IF YOU DON'T SEE IT IN THE PAY GRADES, IT'S AT THE BOTTOM WHERE IT SAYS PUBLIC SAFETY WITH THE OTHER FIRE RECRUIT, BATTALION CHIEF AND CAPTAINS ARE ALL KIND OF TOGETHER.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU.

ITEM THREE H, WHICH IS THE AUTHENTICS TIP DISTRICT.

NEXT IS

[ Authentix TIF District]

KAI, HOW YOU DOING? I'M DOING WELL, SIR.

HOW ARE YOU DOING? I'M GOOD, THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

SO THE AUTHENTICS, UH, DEVELOPMENT TIP DISTRICT HAS BEEN IN THE PROCESS SINCE, UH, JUNE, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OHIO REVISED CODE.

A PUBLIC HEARING IS MANDATED TO BE SCHEDULED.

SO, UH, THE REASON WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT IS TO BRIEFLY GO OVER THE INFORMATION THAT WILL BE, UH, PRESENTED AT THAT SEPTEMBER 23RD, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, SO AS I MENTIONED, THE AUTHENTIC TIP DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HAS BEEN IN THE PROCESS SINCE JUNE 18TH, UH, ON JULY 8TH OF 2 20 24.

THE, UH, SECOND READING THE FINAL ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH ESTABLISHED THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED.

UH, TONIGHT WE'LL SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR SEPTEMBER 23RD, WHICH WILL OCCUR ON, UH, SORRY, WHICH WILL OCCUR ON SEPTEMBER 23RD.

UH, IT IS SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 14TH FOR, UH, COUNSEL TO HAVE THE SECOND READING AND THE FINAL ADOPTION OF THIS, UH, LEGISLATION.

UH, SO TAX INCREMENT FINANCING OR, OR TIFF, UH, IT'S A WAY THAT, UH, WE CAPTURE PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT AND LEVERAGE THOSE DOLLARS AS A WAY TO DIRECTLY SUPPORT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN QUESTION HERE IS, UH, THE AUTHENTICS, UH, PROJECT, WHICH IS, UH, SITUATED ALONG, UH, BETWEEN CHAMBERSBURG AND FISHBURG.

UH, THE TIF MONIES ARE SPENT ON STUFF, NOT PEOPLE.

SO, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, ROADS, UH, THINGS OF THAT SORT.

UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE AUTHENTIC TIF, IT WILL NOT AFFECT HUBER HEIGHTS CITY SCHOOLS.

SO, UM, ANY TIF, UH, FUNDING TIF MONIES THAT WE COLLECT, UH, WILL MAKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHOLE.

UH, THIS GRAPH GOES AHEAD AND, AND IT, UH, EXPLAINS EXACTLY HOW A TIF IS CAPTURED.

UH, THE BLUE BLOCK ALONG THE LINE, UM, REPRESENTS WHAT THE PROPERTY VALUE IS, UH, ASSESSED AS IS, UH, AND THEN THE, UH, YELLOW SQUARE, UH, REPRESENTS THE INCREMENTAL TAX, UH, THAT THE CITY WILL, UH, BE ABLE TO KEEP DURING THE LIFE OF THE TIF, WHICH IS, UH, GONNA BE 30 YEARS.

THAT ORANGE BLOCK AT THE END, UH, REPRESENTS, UH, WHAT THE, UH, TAX VALUES ARE GONNA BE, UH, ONCE ALL THE JURISDICTIONS ARE MADE WHOLE, UH, AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE T UH, SO THIS IS THE TIF DISTRICT.

SO THE PINK BLOCK, UH, REPRESENTS THE AUTEN AUTHENTIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

AND THAT BLUE DOTTED BORDER IS THE, UH, THE TIF DISTRICT.

UM, ACCORDING TO THE OR, UH, PER THE ORC, UH, THE TIF DISTRICT CANNOT EXPAND MORE THAN 300 ACRES.

SO, UH, WE'VE PUT THAT ONE PARCEL AS THE

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TIF DISTRICT, BUT THE ACTUAL BOUNDARY OF THE TIF, UH, EXTENDS OUT TO MEET THE, UH, 300 ACRE REQUIREMENT.

UH, THE 30 YEAR GROSS REVENUE OF THIS TIF IS PROJECTED TO BE A 4.4 MILLION.

UH, IT'S EFFECTIVE FOR A CALENDAR YEAR, 2024, BUT TAX YEAR 2025, UH, THE SITE PLAN INCLUDES A TOTAL OF 10 BUILDINGS, FOUR, THREE STORY BUILDINGS, AND SIX TWO STORY STRUCTURES.

UH, GENERAL HOME MIX IS GONNA BE 24 STUDIO UNITS, 121 BEDROOM UNITS, 122 BEDROOM UNITS, AND 24 3 BEDROOM UNITS FOR A TOTAL OF 288 UNITS.

THE SITE ALSO HAS 550 PARKING SPACES, UH, MONEY GENERATED BY THIS TIFF.

WE'LL GO BACK INTO THE PROJECT TO PAY FOR EXPENSES TO BUILD, UH, MEADOWS PARK DRIVE, AS WELL AS THE SITE PREPARATION COSTS FOR AUTHENTICS.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, MONIES FROM THIS TIP WILL BE USED TO FUND, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE FOR, UH, THE MEADOWS PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE NEW GOVERNMENT CENTER DESIGN.

UH, THE PROJECTED 30 YEAR REVENUE BENEFIT TO THE CITY WILL BE 4.4 MILLION.

UH, WE ALSO RECEIVED 750,000, UH, FROM THE LAND SALE TO AUTHENTICS.

UH, WE HAVE A FUTURE SALE OF A ONE ACRE LOT WHERE, UH, THE OLD NORTH BUILDING OF CR DAYTON USED TO BE, WHICH HAS BEEN, UH, SINCE DEMOED.

AND THEN WE ALSO EXPECT TO CAPTURE FUTURE TIFF REVENUES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, THE PREMIER HEALTH LOT, AS WELL AS 30 YEARS OF RENT PROCEEDS FROM THE MEADOWS.

UH, AGAIN, SORRY, AGAIN, TO SUMMARIZE THE LEGISLATION CALENDAR, UH, BACK IN, UH, JUNE, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS INTRODUCED, UH, TONIGHT, UH, MARKS THE SCHEDULING FOR THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WILL HAPPEN ON SEPTEMBER 23RD.

AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING FOR THE, UH, SECOND READING AND FINAL ADOPTION OF LEGISLATION TO BE OCTOBER 14TH.

UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, THINK SECOND.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR KAI? OKAY, KAI, APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

THANK, THANK YOU.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY, SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE IT ON.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE

[ Case BDP 24-17 - Carriage Trails Co, LLC - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - Between Carriage Trails I And U.S. Route 40]

I, WHICH IS CASE BDP 24 DASH 17 FOR CARRIAGES TRAILS COMPANY, LLC REZONING BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN BETWEEN CARRIAGES, TRAILS ONE, AND US ROUTE 40, AARON.

ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

YES, SO THIS IS A, UH, THE REZONING OF THE RECENTLY ANNEXED, UH, JUST SHY OF 300 ACRES.

UM, IT TWO PLANNED, UH, PLANNED, MIXED USE.

UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S ZONED IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP AS, UH, WELL, THEIR ZONING WAS A TWO AGRICULTURE.

SO THIS IS THE, THE PRELIMINARY, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE GREEN AREA.

UH, THAT'S THE, THE 16 TO 18 ACRES THAT IS, UH, SET ASIDE FOR FUTURE SCHOOL OR PARK.

UM, THE DEVELOPER, UH, WILL BE STARTING THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE SOUTH.

WORKING NORTH, YOU CAN SEE A TENTATIVE, UM, STREET LAYOUT.

I'LL GO INTO A LOT MORE DETAIL DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF ZIP THROUGH THIS.

UM, REALLY THIS IS A, UM, CARBON COPY FOR THE MOST PART OF THE CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, ALMOST ALL OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ARE THE SAME, UM, SAME TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL PALLET STYLES, ET CETERA.

UM, WHAT IS DIFFERENT THOUGH IS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

UH, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE DIFFERENT, UH, IN CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO WE'RE PROPOSING UP TO SEVEN DWELLING UNITS, AN ACRE AND CARRIAGE TRAILS.

ONE, IT WAS CAPPED AT THE NUMBER OF UNITS OF, UH, 2045, I THINK GOING JUST TO, UH, THE, THE DENSITY IS A BETTER APPROACH.

UM, THERE WAS ALSO A CAP OF MAXIMUM MULTIFAMILY OF 875 UNITS.

WE'RE NOT CAPPING, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, WE'LL LET THE MARKET DECIDE, UM, HOW, HOW THAT, UM, MOVES FORWARD.

WE'RE SETTING ASIDE PARK LAND OR A SCHOOL THAT WAS NOT DONE IN CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE.

UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO PERMIT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ONCE THAT IS CODIFIED IN OUR ZONING CODE.

UH, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO REQUIRING SOME, UH, STREET AND SHADE TREES.

BUT BY AND LARGE, THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE, ARE THE SAME.

UM, THE ONE REASON THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE REASONS THAT THAT STAFF IS EN ENCOURAGING A HIGHER DENSITY, UH, ONE SO THAT WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESPONSIVE TO MARKET FORCES AND, UM, NEW HOUSING PRODUCTS THAT MAY, MAY COME ON SUCH AS SENIOR HOUSING OR THOSE UNITS THAT CAN AGE IN PLACE.

UM, THERE TYPICALLY ARE SMALLER UNITS, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, MORE DENSE.

UH, IT ALSO, THOSE TYPE OF HOUSING UNITS PUT LESS PRESSURE ON THE SCHOOLS, WHICH WAS A BIG SOURCE OF DISCUSSION, UH, IN THE FUTURE.

UM, THE

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DEVELOPER HAD ASKED FOR FIVE, UH, DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

UM, STAFF THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO GO A LITTLE HIGHER SO THAT THERE WAS THAT EMBEDDED FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE.

UH, AT THE, UH, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING IN, IN FRONT OF A PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THERE WERE, UH, I BELIEVE THREE INDIVIDUALS WHO SPOKE IN OPPOSITION, UH, MR. MUMFORD, WHO SPOKE JUST IN GENERAL, UH, OPPOSITION TO ANNEXATION IN GENERAL.

UM, UH, AND THEN THREE RESIDENTS LARGELY THAT THE, THE OPPOSITION OR THE DISCUSSION WITH THE RESIDENTS SEEM TO CENTER LARGELY ON THE MANAGEMENT, UH, ASSOCIATION, UH, THAT, THAT RUNS THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, LACK OF COMMUNICATION, LACK OF FOLLOW THROUGH, THAT KIND OF THING.

UM, SO PLANNING COMMISSION DID VOTE, UH, UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING TO PLAN MIXED USE.

UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT, UH, YOU RAVE WAIVE THE SECOND READING MAINLY BECAUSE, UH, THERE ARE ABOUT 38 LOTS THAT ARE ENCOURAGED TRAIL.

ONE THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPER THAT WILL SPAN THIS NEW ANNEX LAND AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE PUT ON THESE 38 LOTS WAS THAT THEY COULDN'T BE SUBDIVIDED UNTIL THIS ANNEXATION AND REZONING WAS, UH, APPROVED.

SO THEY'RE KIND OF SITTING FALLOW, UH, BUT THEY'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE ALONG ARROW WOOD, SO THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A SENSE OF URGENCY TO THIS.

SO, QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANKS, AARON.

ANY QUESTIONS? DO I HAVE QUESTIONS? YEAH, FRED, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'M TRYING TO, AND, AND THANK YOU AARON FOR THE EXPLANATION.

I, I JUST SEE ONE THING EXPLAIN FOR ME, I READ THROUGH SOME OF THE LETTERS OF CONCERN FROM CITIZENS.

I, I WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE MOA AND WHAT'S PREVENTING THE MOA FROM HANDING OVER MANAGEMENT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, TO HOAS AND CARRIAGE TRUST ONE AND WHY THOSE THINGS KIND OF CONJOINED.

AND IT SOUNDED LIKE WHAT I READ HERE THAT THAT, AND, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, UH, SOME OF THE LANGUAGE FROM ANOTHER SITUATION HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

BUT, UH, WHERE THE BUILDER OR OWNER OR WHOMEVER IS HANDS OVER THE MANAGEMENT OF THE, UH, THE PROPERTY TO THE HOA, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN? I GUESS THAT'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF QUESTIONS.

I'M ASKING YOU.

WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR US TO HA LET NOT SAY US FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT TO BE HANDED OVER TO HOAS? YEAH, SO LET, LET ME JUST STRESS, WE'RE NOT A PARTY TO THAT OWNER, UH, HOMEOWNER'S AGREEMENT.

UM, WE ARE ONE OF THE LANDOWNERS SUBJECT TO SOME OF THE, THE AGREEMENTS, UH, THE, THE COVENANTS.

BUT, BUT WE'RE NOT A PARTY TO IT.

BUT TO GET TO YOUR QUESTION, THE WAY THE, UH, THE MOA READS IS THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL TURN OVER THE ASSOCIATION, UM, TO A, A GROUP.

UM, ONCE THERE IS NO, ONCE THEY NO LONGER, ONCE THEY HAVE BUILT AND SOLD ALL OF THE REMAINING LOTS.

UH, AND SO THERE ARE, OR AT SOME POINT IN, UH, IN THE FUTURE OR SOME POINT AT ANY TIME AT REALLY AT THEIR DISCRETION.

SO IT'S DEVELOP AND SELL ALL THE LOTS, THEN THAT TRIGGERS THE, THE TRANSFER OR AT SOME EARLIER DATE, AT THE DISCRETION OF THE, OF THE DEVELOPER.

THEY STILL OWN LOTS.

THEY STILL WANT TO MAINTAIN, UH, CONTROL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMON AREA IS MAINTAINED TO THEIR STANDARDS, UH, WHILE THEY CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, UH, AND SELL THESE, THE LOTS.

SO EVERY HOA IS, OR MOHA IS A MASTER HOMEOWNERS AGREEMENT, IS, IS CRAFTED DIFFERENTLY.

SOME HAVE A TRIGGER WHERE AT WHEN IT'S 75% DEVELOPED, IT AUTOMATICALLY TRANSFERS FROM THE DEVELOPER.

THIS, UH, THIS, IN THIS CASE IT DOES NOT.

IT'S, UH, IT'S WHEN ALL THE LAND IS SOLD.

SO, SO STATED ANOTHER WAY.

WELL, WE UNDERSTAND ALL THE CONCERNS THAT ARE BEING VOICED.

THE CITY JUST REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A ROLE IN THE MOA OR THE HOA, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE TO WORK OUT WITH THE MOA.

CORRECT.

SO WE ARE, WE REQUIRE THE ZONING CODE THAT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS BE FORMED BASICALLY TO, TO MAINTAIN STORMWATER BASINS, UH, AND ANY OTHER PRIVATE PARKS.

UM, I REVIEW THEM ONE FOR THAT PURPOSE, UH, TWO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE, THERE IS NOTHING IN THERE THAT WOULD VIOLATE FAIR HOUSING LAWS.

BUT BEYOND THAT, HOW THE ASSO, THAT'S REALLY A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE BUYER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE DEVELOPER.

SCOTT? YEAH.

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THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, DID WE EVER DECIDE ANYTHING ON ADUS? IT'S IN OUR COVENANT THAT WE DO NOT ACCEPT THEM.

RIGHT? SO, UH, THERE IS, SO THE ZONING CODE IS SILENT FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

THE WAY, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, VOTED WAS THAT WE WOULD, UH, FOR CARRIAGE TRAIL TWO ALLOW, UM, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, UM, SUBJECT TO THE REGULATIONS OF THE ZONING CODE.

UM, SO IT IS MY INTENTION TO DRAFT REGULATIONS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS THAT THIS BODY WOULD ULTIMATELY EITHER VOTE UP OR DOWN OR, OR CHANGE ACCORDINGLY.

SO UNTIL WE DO THAT, THEY, THEY WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED IN CARRIAGE TRAILS TOO.

BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO, BECAUSE THE, THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IN CARRIAGE TRAILS ARE SO SPECIFIC, UNLIKE SOME OF OUR OTHER SUBDIVISIONS, I DIDN'T WANT TO RE-LITIGATE THIS ISSUE, UH, OF A, OF A CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OVER SOMETHING LIKE AD ADU.

SO I WANTED TO, IN A SENSE, TRY TO FUTURE PROOF, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THE LANGUAGE IN THE REZONING ORDINANCE.

BECAUSE ISN'T THAT POSSIBLE THAT ADUS COULD EVEN HAVE MORE HOUSING THAN WHAT'S PROJECTED? IT COULD, BUT TYPICALLY THAT'S NOT REALLY, THAT'S NOT IN PRACTICE.

HOW, HOW IT WORKS.

UH, IF THIS BODY, UH, D DOES NOT WANT ADUS TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS LEGISLATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY STRIP THEM OUT.

UM, THAT'S NOT, I WAS TRYING TO THINK FOR THE FUTURE, UH, WHEN WE HAVE SMALLER HOUSEHOLDS AND, AND FOLKS WHO WANT TO, UH, HAVE THEIR PARENTS LIVE WITH THEM, BUT NOT WITH THEM.

UM, AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.

AND, AND ALSO THE SECOND QUESTION IS THE MAXIMUM GROSS DENSITY, OF COURSE, YOU'RE MOVING IT UP TO SEVEN VERSUS 3.3 ON CARRIAGE TRAIL.

ONE IS THAT BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE APARTMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE MORE UNITS PER ACREAGE? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING PER ACREAGE? SO IT COULD BE BOTH.

UM, WHAT WE, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THE TYPE OF PRODUCTS MOVING FORWARD.

ESPECIALLY AS WE GET NORTH OF 40, OR NOT NORTH OF 40, BUT TOWARDS 40 NORTH OF CARRIAGE TRAIL.

ONE WHERE I THINK THERE WAS PROBABLY A MARKET FOR, UH, DENSER, DENSER UNITS, UM, CARRIAGE TRAILS.

ONE IS A LITTLE BIT OF ANOMALY IN THAT IT IS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT GROSS ACREAGE, INCLUDING PONDS, STREETS, ET CETERA, IT IS, IT'S NOT DENSE AT ALL.

LAR MAINLY BECAUSE IT WAS ONE LAID OUT AS GONNA BE A GOLF COURSE.

SO THE CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY IS HUGE AND TAKES UP A TON OF LAND, WHICH LOWERS THE EFFECTIVE GROSS, UM, DENSITY OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THE DEVELOP THAT IT WOULD BE LIKELY THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE SEVEN UNITS AN ACRE.

I WANTED THERE TO BE THE FLEXIBILITY.

I THINK THIS SUBDIVISION WOULD PROBABLY BUILD OUT AT AROUND FIVE.

AROUND FIVE OR SO, LIKE MOST OF OUR OTHERS.

BUT, UM, I THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY TO BE REACTIVE TO THE MARKET.

UH, IF MARKET TASTES CHANGE AND FOLKS IN, IN FUTURE, UH, RESIDENTS WANT SMALLER UNITS AND THAT, AND THAT TYPE OF OPTION, IF THE MARKET CONTINUES TO BE BUILDING OUT CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE AS LARGELY A DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN THE DENSITY'S PROBABLY GONNA SETTLE IN AROUND FOUR MM-HMM.

, BECAUSE I, I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF IT.

IF WE HAVE FOR LESS KIDS, OF COURSE WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE TRAFFIC, WHICH IS ANOTHER CONCERN FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS.

ONE, EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THE SPEEDING ISSUES AND CARRIAGE TRAILS.

ONE WITH EVEN MORE HOUSING AND MORE CARS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE DENSITY IS GONNA AFFECT THE CIVILITY OF, OF THE INDIVIDUALS DRIVING THOSE, THOSE VEHICLES AS FAR AS EXCESSIVE SPEEDING, RUNNING STOP SIGNS, ET CETERA.

WE HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

WE ALSO HAVE A, A DESIGN ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS WITH CARRIED TRAILS PARKWAY.

IT'S VERY WIDE, IT'S VERY EASY TO DRIVE FAST.

UM, AND SO PEOPLE DO.

UM, AND SO REGARDLESS IF IT'S THREE DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE OR IF IT'S FIVE OR SIX, I DON'T, WE HAVE, THE DENSITY IS NOT GONNA AFFECT THE CIVILITY.

WE NEED TO WORK ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF THAT.

ALRIGHT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANKS MAYOR.

FRED, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? N NO, THANK YOU.

WITH EACH OTHER? I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE TIFF AND HOW MUCH WE'LL BE GETTING BACK, BUT NOW THIS PLAN'S KIND OF GONNA MAJOR CHANGE.

I NEED, WITH ALL THESE PLAN CHANGES OF THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE GOT, HOW IS THAT COMPARING

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SO HOW DOES THIS GO ALONG WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN FINANCIALLY? YEAH, SO IT'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENT.

UM, THE, THE DUE DILIGENCE WAS BASED ON, UH, A DENSITY OF ABOUT FIVE UNITS AN ACRE GROSS.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT WAS MODELED.

UM, IF THERE WAS A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE DENSITY, UM, THERE COULD BE A, A LONG TERM OR, OR LONG TERM IS THE WRONG WAY TO PUT IT.

THERE COULD BE A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL, SAY EMS, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, IS, UH, WOULD BE, WOULD BE BUILT.

IF IT WAS A LOT OF SENIOR HOUSING, THERE'S PROBABLY A HIGHER NEED FOR, UH, EMS THAN THERE WOULD BE IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT SENIOR HOUSING.

UH, I DON'T THINK THAT ADDING TO, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE MUCH OF AN EFFECT ON PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA ADD A LOT OF NEW ROADS.

IT'D BE BASICALLY PRIVATE DRIVES AND PARKING LOTS.

UM, THERE COULD BE, UM, AN A MINOR IMPACT ON POLICE OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE, UH, ONE UNIT.

BUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT, ABOUT IT.

BUT OUR MODEL WAS BASED ON FIVE DWELLING UNITS, UH, AN ACRE.

THAT ALSO IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, IF IT, IF THE DENSITY IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS, IT DOES IMPACT, UM, THE REVENUE STREAM.

THAT WAS THAT, THAT, THAT WE HAD PROJECTED FOR THE FUTURE SCHOOL.

UH, IF THE DENSITY IS HIGHER, THAT DOES RELIEVE SOME OF THAT PRESSURE.

SO THERE'S AN IMPACT ON THAT SIDE OF THE EQUATION.

ALSO, HAS ANY TALK HAPPENED WITH THE SCHOOLS AT BETHEL YET ABOUT THIS WHOLE SCHOOL PROJECT? IS THAT, ARE THEY WILLING TO STILL DO THIS? OR IS THERE TALK ABOUT THEM DOING THIS? 'CAUSE THAT WAS ALL UP IN THE AIR.

YEAH, SO AT THE STAFF LEVEL, WE HAVEN'T HAD CONVERSATIONS YET.

WE WANTED TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ZONING REALLY OCCURRED, UH, AND THAT THE SET ASIDE OF THE LAND ACTUALLY OCCURRED.

AND THEN WE'LL ENGAGE, UM, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

WE HAVE A LONG RUNWAY, UM, TO, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE, THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SCOTT, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? JUST, UH, PROBABLY THE ADUS I AM AGAINST THAT.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

ANYTHING ELSE? I, I NEED IT.

I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH SCOTT.

I WOULD LIKE THAT TAKEN OUT AND COME BACK WHENEVER THEY WANTED TO INCREASE IT.

I'D RATHER BE IT BACK TO HOW IT WAS.

OR EVEN KIDS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, IN A SEPARATE UNIT ON THE SAME PROPERTY.

JEFF? YES, PLEASE.

UM, I THOUGHT THE DISCUSSION OF THE A D THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND A LOT OF REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS WERE ASKED.

UM, ISN'T PART OF IT, WON'T PART OF IT BE DRIVEN BY THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT WE THE MAXIMUM, YEAH.

THE DENSITY THAT WE CAN HAVE ON EACH LOT.

I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY HAS, UM, A SHED IN THEIR BACKYARD BEHIND THEIR HOUSE, WILL THEY REALLY HAVE SUFFICIENT ROOM TO PUT IN AN A DU AND STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS? I, I THINK ON THOSE SMALL TO MEDIUM LOTS, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO PRACTICALLY DESIGN SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

MM-HMM.

OF THAT MAGNITUDE BETWEEN THE SIDE SETBACK, THE REAR SETBACK, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR BUILDABLE STAMP HAS GOTTEN A LOT SMALLER.

SURE.

UM, SO IT, UH, NOW YOU COULD DESIGN THE SUBDIVISION THAT, THAT IT, THAT INCORPORATES ALL, ALL OF THAT, DEPENDING ON THE WAY.

SO LIKE, MY PARENTS HAVE ONE IN, IN, UM, IN PHOENIX WHERE THE A DU IS BASICALLY TUCKED IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UM, SORT OF BEHIND NEXT TO THE, THE GARAGE.

MM-HMM.

AND SO FROM THE FACADE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THIS ONE HOUSE AND THERE'S A LITTLE COURTYARD THERE BETWEEN THE TWO.

SO YOU COULD DESIGN IT, BUT IT HAS TO BE DESIGNED INTENTIONALLY, UM, AFTER I THINK THE RETROFIT WOULD BE, UH, EXCEPT ON THE LARGEST LOTS WOULD BE, WOULD BE PRACTICALLY DIFFICULT.

SURE.

BUT, UM, AGAIN, JUST WANTED, WAS TRYING TO FUTURE PROOF AS MUCH AS WE CAN THE, THE ZONING, UH, THE BASIC ZONING TEMPLATE MOVING FORWARD, SINCE THIS IS A 10 TO 15 YEAR BUILD OUT, WE, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE A LOT OF CHANGES, I THINK, IN THE, IN THE ZONING CODE.

SURE.

AND, AND FOR THAT REASON, I, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO LEAVE THAT OPTION OPEN IF SOMEBODY'S MOVING IN AND, AND THEY WANT TO HAVE THEIR PARENTS

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I'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND IT, IT REALLY WORKS WELL.

BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE PRETTY MUCH UP FRONT.

YEP.

YEAH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A, A BUILDER WHO, AND IT, THEY REALLY HAVEN'T CAUGHT ON HERE YET.

I MEAN, DAYTON JUST CHANGED THEIR ZONING CODE TO, TO PERMIT THEM.

IT, IT'S NOT BEEN IN NEED YET, BUT I THINK AS WE AGE IT WILL BE MM-HMM.

FOR SURE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SO WE'VE HAD TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE, ARE ASKING TO HAVE THAT OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE CODE.

SO, SO HOW DOES COUNCIL WANNA PROCEED WITH THAT? DO YOU WANNA BRING IT BACK THE WAY IT IS OR IS COUNCIL IN AGREEMENT AS A WHOLE OR A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL TO HAVE THAT REMOVED WHEN THIS COMES BACK FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A VOTE ON MONDAY? LET ME ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE GET AN ANSWER ON THAT.

UM, IF, IF, UM, IF WE DECIDED TO LEAVE THIS OUT AT THIS POINT, AND IN THE COURSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, SOMEONE ASKS THE BUILDER, CAN I PUT AN A DU ON HERE? CAN THEY COME TO THE ZONING DEPARTMENT AND THEY'D HAVE TO GO TO THE BZA, I GUESS, AND GET APPROVAL TO DO THAT.

BUT WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO DO THAT IF IT'S NOT IN THE CODE? SO I WOULD ARGUE THAT, UM, IF SOMEBODY DID, IF WE PULL IT OUT AND SOMEBODY CAME TO, UM, TO US AND WANTED TO BUILD AN A DU, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT'S A, AN AREA IN DENSITY VARIANCE, UM, AND NOT A USE VARIANCE.

SO I WOULD BE INCLINED THAT THE BZA COULD COULD HEAR THAT.

UH, UNLESS, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME OUR LEGAL COUNSEL GAVE GAVE US, UM, ADVICE TO THE, TO THE CONTRARY, BUT IT'S A DWELLING UNIT.

THAT'S THE USE.

SO I WOULD ARGUE THIS IS AN AREA IN, UH, VARIANCE AND NOT A USE VARIANCE.

OUR CODE DOES NOT PERMIT, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

OUR CODE PERMITS USE VARIANCES IN VERY LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT WE HAVE GREAT LATITUDE IN AREA AND DENSITY VARIANCES.

AND IF SOMEONE REALLY WANTED TO DO THAT, THEY WOULD PROBABLY PICK A BIGGER LOT.

I WOULD THINK SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

AND, AND STAFF ISN'T GONNA, I MEAN, IF, IF IT'S THE WILL COUNCIL TO, TO PULL THE A DU, WE WOULD STAFF WOULD PREFER THAT IT GETS PULLED RATHER THAN HOLD UP THE, THE REZONING PROCESS.

ABSOLUTELY, YES.

AND WE CAN COME BACK AND DEAL WITH THIS LATER.

MM-HMM.

, SURE.

ALSO WITH THE ADUS, OF COURSE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BOARD PARKING, WHICH WAS ANOTHER CONCERN ON PLANNING COMMISSION.

PEOPLE CAN'T PARK ACROSS THE SIDEWALK OF COURSE.

YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE PUTTING MORE HOUSING THERE, YOU KNOW, TWO HOUSES, ONE STILL USING THE SAME DRIVEWAY FOR THAT ONE HOUSE, WHICH IS STILL A PARKING ISSUE.

CORRECT.

BUT WE DON'T PROVIDE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS EXPRESSED.

UM, I'M A VIEW OF, SO THAT WAS THE CONCERN WAS EXPRESSED.

PEOPLE CAN STILL PARK ON THE STREET, BUT THERE WAS, THE CONCERN THAT WAS REALLY EXPRESSED, UM, WAS THAT THE, THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WITHIN THE HOMEOWNERS OF COVENANTS DON'T ALLOW ESSENTIALLY A SIDE PARKING PAD LIKE OUR ZONING CODE ALLOWS.

SO IT DOES LIMIT THAT ONE EXTRA PARKING SPACE OUTSIDE OF YOUR DRIVEWAY.

SO THAT WAS, I THINK, THE, THE BIGGER ISSUE THAT THEY WERE TALKING ON ABOUT CARS.

BUT YEAH, IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT THE A DU, UH, COULD LEND ITSELF TO ANOTHER VEHICLE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MAYOR.

THANKS MARK.

AARON TO PASS THIS MONDAY, DOES IT INCLUDE THE A DU? SO IT INCLUDES THE LANGUAGE THAT THE A DU WOULD BE, UM, WOULD BE PERMITTED IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE ZONING CODE TO ALLOW ADUS.

RIGHT NOW, AS IT'S WRITTEN, YOU COULDN'T DO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THE ZONING CODE.

UM, AT, IT WOULD BE AT SOME FUTURE POINT WHEN WE WROTE LANGUAGE FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AROUND SUCH ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, THEN IT WOULD BE PERMITTED.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S IN THERE, BUT IT'S NOT PERMITTED THE WAY I DRAFTED IT.

SO IF COUNSEL VOTED YES, IT STILL IS A PERMITTED, THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO DO.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND CONSIDERING THAT ANITA AND SCOTT, WOULD YOU STILL BE A YES VOTE? I'D PROBABLY SAY NO.

'CAUSE IT COULD STILL BE CHANGED ABOUT THAT.

SO THERE WOULD BE NO AMENDMENT NECESSARY.

SO WITH THAT CONSIDERATION, UH, WE WOULD NEED TO AMEND THIS, BUT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE THE CHANGE.

IF, IF COUNSEL GIVES DIRECTION NOW, THEN IT WOULD BE CHANGED BEFORE MONDAY.

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SO IF THAT'S THE, IF THAT'S THE FEELING I'M HEARING, I WILL JUST PULL THAT SENTENCE FROM THE, UM, FROM THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

MAYOR AARON, CAN YOU CLARIFY AN A DU? SO THAT'D BE LIKE YOU SAID, AN ADDITIONAL MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE.

YEAH, SO IT'S AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT COME IN ALL KIND OF SHAPES AND SIZES.

SOME ARE FREESTANDING, STANDALONE, OTHERS ARE BUILT ABOVE THE GARAGE.

SOME ARE IN THE BASEMENT.

SOME COULD JUST BE AN, AN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE WITH A SEPARATE ENTRANCE IN ITS OWN LITTLE KITCHEN.

UM, SO IT WOULD ALSO MAYBE COVER IF SOMEBODY HAD THEIR OFFICE.

SO WE ALLOW THAT ALREADY.

UM, SO YOU COULD, YOU CAN DO A HOME OFFICE WITHOUT ANY ISSUES.

THIS WOULD BE BASICALLY, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S REALLY A FREESTANDING DWELLING UNIT.

SO IT HAS ITS OWN KITCHEN, BATHROOM, BEDROOM, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO IT COULD ALSO BE A SHE SHED, IT COULD BE, I WOULD ALLOW THIS BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS A, SHE SHED .

SO I THINK YOU COULD HAVE, AS YOU SAID THOUGH, IF SOMEONE FEELS THE NEED FOR THIS, THEY PICK THE RIGHT LOT.

THEY CAN COME BACK, THEY GO TO B, CA AND ASK FOR SOME TYPE OF A VARIANCE TO GET THAT APPROVED ON A, ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS WITHOUT A BLANKET APPROVAL.

ESPECIALLY SINCE THE CODE ISN'T EVEN WRITTEN YET.

CORRECT.

AND, AND IN MY TENURE HERE, WE'VE HAD A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE INQUIRE ABOUT THEM, BUT THAT'S IT SO FAR.

MARK? YES.

AARON, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE NEED TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING.

YES, SIR.

SO IF I UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE A CONCERN AT BOTH ENDS OF THE DIOCESE REGARDING THE A DU, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD TAKE OUT? YES.

AND IT WOULDN'T EXIST ON MONDAY WHEN WE GO TO VOTE THIS? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND, AND WE COULD WAIVE THAT AND GET THIS PROJECT MOVING.

THAT'S CORRECT.

WOULD THE, UH, LEGISLATION INCLUDE THE, UH, EMERGENCY CLAUSE, THE WHAT? WOULD IT INCLUDE THE EMERGENCY CLAUSE OR COULD IT IT IT COULD.

RIGHT NOW IT, IT DOES NOT.

BUT IF THAT'S, UM, IF THAT'S THE DESIRE TO, TO MOVE THIS EVEN FASTER, I PERSONALLY LIKE THAT IT WOULDN'T MOVE IT, IT WOULDN'T MOVE IT ANY FASTER.

IT WOULD JUST MOVE IT.

SO MAYOR, COULD YOU ASK AND, AND MAYBE STRAW POLL THAT IF THERE'S ANY APPETITE FOR, UH, THE EMERGENCY CLAUSE? SO I WOULD ASK IS, I MEAN THAT, WELL, I THINK MARK HAD SAID IT.

SO I GUESS WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL'S WISHES ARE.

BECAUSE WHAT THE EMERGENCY CLAUSE, AARON, IT WOULD TAKE SIX VOTES, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S, IT WOULD TAKE SIX TO WAVE AND SIX TO ADOPT, YES.

WITH THE EMERGENCY CLAUSE.

BUT WE'VE GOT THOSE, WHAT, 34 LOTS THAT ARE HANGING OUT THERE, BASICALLY, THAT IF WE DID IT AS EMERGENCY, THEN THEY COULD START DOING WHATEVER.

THEY COULD FINISH SUBDIVIDING THEM, UM, YEAH.

APPROPRIATELY.

YEP.

UM, I, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF, UM, WITH BO, SCOTT, ANITA, ARE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM, FROM SUPPORTING THIS ON MONDAY? I'VE NEVER BEEN A BIG EMERGENCY PERSON IF YOU TELL THE LAST THREE YEARS.

BUT THAT'S JUST, BUT I MEAN THE BASIC LEGISLATION, DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? WOULD THE, A OUTCOME THEN? I THINK OKAY.

BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY LEGISLATION.

I, I THINK ANNEXATION GOT PASSED.

UM, I MEAN, IT IS COMING THE WAY IT IS, OF COURSE.

UH, MAX DENSITY IS MY OTHER CONCERN.

BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S GOING IN APARTMENTS AND THAT'S PART OF THE SEVEN, UM, IN THE FIGURE INSTEAD OF 3.3, THAT IT WAS FROM CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF IT.

SO, BRENT, THANK YOU MAYOR AND I, I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK TO AARON ABOUT THE, THE DENSITY AND HOW IT'S IMPACTED BY THE TOWNHOUSES.

AND, AND I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS AN EIGHTH OF A, UH, ACRE FOR THE DEPEND, DEPEND DEPENDING ON HOW MANY, AND THAT KIND OF CONTRIBUTES TO THE INCREASED DENSITY.

BUT I, I DO WANT TO GET A LITTLE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT CONSTITUTES AN EMERGENCY.

WHAT, WHAT'S THE EMERGENCY? THE HIGHER REVISED CODE SAYS UNDER HUMBLE AUTHORITY, THE CITY, UH, DETERMINES WHAT DEFINES AN EMERGENCY.

UM, IT, THE OTHER EFFECT OF EMERGENCY, UH, LEGISLATION WOULD BE AN EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY RATHER THAN IN 30 DAYS.

WELL, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF INTERTWINED.

SO IT'S THE LEGISLATION THAT'S AN EMERGENCY, NOT THE SITUATION THAT THE LEGISLATION IS ADDRESSING.

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AND JORDAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT FROM A MARK.

MARK WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT MARK.

SAID SIMPLY IF, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE WAIVE THE SECOND READING, THERE'S SOME REASON TO EXPEDITE THE PROJECT.

AND IF THERE ISN'T AN EMERGENCY CLAUSE, IT COULD GET HELD UP FOR A LONG, LONG TIME AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE NEED TO JUST TALK VERY TRANSPARENT.

SO THE EMERGENCY CLAUSE, I DIDN'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO NAME IT THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR A REFERENDUM.

SO IT GOES INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY ONCE WE PASS IT.

AND EVERYBODY UP HERE REALIZES THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

ALRIGHT.

IN, IN MANY CITIES, REAL ESTATE IS DONE THAT WAY SO THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN PULL BUILDING PERMITS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO, FRED, ANY COMMENT AFTER THAT? SO IT ISN'T AN EMERGENCY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE IS ON FIRE.

NO.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

ANY COMMENT ON THAT THOUGH? JUST 'CAUSE I TRIED TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.

NO, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TRANSPARENCY.

YES, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTION.

MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY, WAIVING THE SECOND READING WITH AN EMERGENCY CLAUSE.

THREE J, WHICH IS A LIQUOR PERMIT NUMBER 7 5 1 1 4 1 8 FOR ROOSTERS AT 55 71 MERRILY WAY.

MOVE THIS ON TO MONDAY.

NEXT UP IS ITEM

[ Liquor Permit #7511418 - Roosters - 5571 Merily Way]

OKAY, SAM MAYOR SAID THIS IS A, A LIQUOR PERMIT FOR ROOSTERS ON MARYLEE WAY.

UH, THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY, UH, RELATED TO A CHANGE OF CORPORATE STOCK OWNERSHIP FOR THIS PARTICULAR LIQUOR PERMIT.

SO THEY'RE JUST TRANSFERRING THE OWNERSHIP WITHIN THE, THE CORPORATION THAT OWNS THE, UH, LIQUOR PERMIT FOR ROOSTERS.

UM, SO IT'S NOT A CHANGE TO, UH, THE TYPE OF, UH, LIQUOR PERMIT OR WHAT TYPE OF SALES WOULD BE PERMITTED AS A RESULT OF, UH, THAT CHANGE.

SO WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION ON MONDAY, UH, MONDAY'S AGENDA.

ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS LIQUOR PERMIT NUMBER 0 3 4 8 6 4 7 FOR BLANCO BAR AND LOUNGE AT 54 78.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

AND NEXT IS

[ Liquor Permit #0348647 - Blanco Bar And Lounge - 5478 Brandt Pike]

BRAND HEIGHT.

YEAH, THIS IS A, UH, NEW LIQUOR PERMIT REQUEST FOR THIS LOCATION ON GRANT PIKE.

UM, IT HAS BEEN A BAR IN A NUMBER OF OTHER DIFFERENT CAPACITIES OVER THE YEARS.

UM, UH, CRICKETS IS ONE.

I REMEMBER BEING AT THIS LOCATION.

I THINK IT'S BEEN NAMED SEVERAL OTHER PLACES.

SO, UM, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE, UH, POLICE AND FIRE DIVISIONS WHO HAD NO OBJECTION TO THE ISSUANCE OF THIS NEW LIQUOR PERMIT.

UH, BECAUSE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAD BEEN RAISED ABOUT THIS LOCATION IN THE PAST, I DID DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DUE D DUE DILIGENCE INTO LOOKING INTO THIS.

I DID CALL THE OHIO DIVISION OF, UH, LIQUOR CONTROL AND SPOKE WITH THEM, UM, TO GET THE APPLICANT'S NAME.

THE APPLICANT IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, LIQUOR PERMIT APPLICATION IS BRANDON WHITE OF DENNISON AVENUE AND DAYTON, UH, THE OHIO DIVISION OF LIQUOR CON CONTROL CONFIRMED TO ME THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS NO OTHER INTEREST OR, UH, INVOLVEMENT IN ANY OTHER LIQUOR PERMITS IN THE STATE OF OHIO.

AND WHEN A CHECK WAS RUN, UH, THROUGH THE HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE DIVISION, UH, THERE WAS, UH, NO REASONS FOR CONCERN IN TERMS OF, UM, ANY TYPE OF, UH, CONVICTIONS RELATED TO THIS APPLICANT THAT MIGHT, UH, CAUSE CONCERN FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE LAKER PERMIT.