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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL MEETING TOWN HALL.
TODAY'S DATE IS JUNE THE 10TH, 2024.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED AT 6 0 2, AND THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED
[2. Invocation - Pastor Randy Griffith Of The Free Methodist Church At 6875 Old Troy Pike, Huber Heights, Ohio]
TO ORDER.THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS OUR INVOCATION THIS EVENING, AND TONIGHT IT WILL BE BY PASTOR RANDY GRIFFITH OF THE FREE METHODIST CHURCH, 68 75 OLD TROY PIKE HERE IN HEBREW HEIGHTS, PASTOR GRIFFITH IN EPHESIANS SIX, IT SAYS, BE STRONG IN THE LORD AND IN HIS MIGHTY POWER.
AND PRAY IN THE SPIRIT ON ALL OCCASIONS WITH ALL KINDS OF PRAYERS AND REQUESTS FROM OSWALD CHAMBER'S BOOK, IF YOU WILL, ASK, SAYS, WATCH AND PRAY.
JESUS SAID, IN THE CENTER OF HIS OWN AGONY, HE SAID THAT IF WE DON'T, WE SHALL SLIP INTO THE LURE OF WRONG ROADS WITHOUT KNOWING IT, THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP RIGHT IS TO WATCH.
THAT, IS TO PAY ATTENTION AND PRAY.
THE NEW TESTAMENT BASIS OF PRAYER IS NOT HUMAN EFFORT, NOT HUMAN NEED, AND NOT HUMAN WILL.
THE BASIS IS REBIRTH THROUGH CHRIST AND IT'S LIVING CENTER IS A PERSONAL HOLY SPIRIT.
THE RATIONALLY MINDED MAY FIND IT EASIER TO RIDICULE PRAYER, BUT THE APOSTLE PAUL WRITES, PRAY CONTINUALLY.
NO PANIC, NO FLURRY, ALWAYS AT REST ON THE INSIDE FROM OURSELVES.
SO ARE WE CONTINUALLY PRACTICING THIS POWER AND PROTECTION OF GOD, KEEPING OUR HEARTS STOUT IN THE COURAGE OF GOD'S SPIRIT AND TAKING OUR ORDERS FROM HIM? OR ARE WE MAKING AN INGENIOUS COMPROMISE? THERE'S ONLY ONE SERVICE THAT HAS NO SNARES, AND THAT IS PRAYER.
PREACHING HAS SNARES TO THE NATURAL HEART AND SO DOES PUBLIC SERVICE.
PRAYER HAS NO SNARES BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON THE REDEEMING WORK OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST MADE EFFECTIVE ALL THE TIME BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.
FATHER, TEACH US TO PRAY, TO PRAY THE RIGHT WAY TO PRAY WITH POWER.
LORD, PROTECT US FROM THE THINGS THAT MIGHT DRAW US INTO THE WRONG PLACES.
HELP US TO UNDERSTAND YOUR WILL AND TO COMPLETE IT.
AND LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
GUIDE THE HEARTS OF ALL PEOPLE, OF THOSE THAT ARE, ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THOSE THAT ARE HERE WITH ALL THE ISSUES AND MATTERS AT HAND, THAT IT MIGHT BE DONE IN A WAY THAT'S PLEASING TO YOU AND BENEFICIAL TO PEOPLE.
[3. Pledge Of Allegiance]
TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR RELIGIOUS STANDS.ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVIS WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL ATTORNEY.
[4. Roll Call]
ROLE PLEASE MR. DAVIDSON? HERE.MR. LOONEY? MRS. KITCHEN HERE.
AND, UH, MR. LOONEY HAD, HAD LET US ALL KNOW THAT HE WAS NOT GONNA BE, UH, IN INOW THIS EVENING FOR THIS EVENING'S MEETING.
IS THERE A MOTION TO EXCUSE HIS ABSENCE? ANITA? SO MOVED.
I WILL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION.
AND SECOND, UH, ATTORNEY
AND MOTION TO EXCUSE, UH, MR. LOONEY'S.
NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH
[5. Approval Of Minutes]
IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.THERE ARE THREE MINUTES, THREE SETS OF MINUTES THIS EVENING, DATED MAY 9TH, UH, MAY 20TH AND MAY 21ST, 2024.
THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.
IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
CASE SAYING, NONE OF THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER SIX, SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS
[ Announcement: The City Is Required To Make A Public Notice And Announcement Of The Final Cost To Property Owners Of The 2024 Sidewalk Program Prior To Beginning The Assessment Process. The 2024 Sidewalk Program Is Complete And The Final Cost For Property Owners Is $116,831.69.]
AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.TONY, ITEM SIX, A ANNOUNCEMENT.
THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO MAKE A PUBLIC NOTICE AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE FINAL COST TO PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE 2024 SIDEWALK PROGRAM PRIOR TO BEGINNING THE ASSESSMENT PROCESS.
THE 2024 SIDEWALK PROGRAM IS COMPLETE, AND THE FINAL COST FOR PROPERTY OWNERS IS $116,831 AND 69 CENTS.
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OKAY, THANK YOU ATTORNEY.NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS CITIZENS COMMENTS FOR AGENDA ITEMS? UH, I HAVE NONE THIS EVENING, MAYOR.
[8. City Manager Report]
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CITY MANAGER REPORT.UM, COUPLE EXCITING THINGS GOING ON.
UH, I KIND OF HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE AS WE GO DOWN.
UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, LOCALLY, THEY'VE, UH, STARTED THEIR SAFETY TOWN COMING UP HERE.
UM, IT'S GONNA MEET, UM, IN THE NEXT WEEK AT VALLEY FORGE.
IT'S FOR PROGRAM, UH, FOR CHILDREN, UH, TYPICALLY, UM, UH, AGES, UM, BEFORE KINDERGARTEN.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THEY DO IS THEY GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, THE PROGRAM DOES PROVIDE AGE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION REGARDING PEDESTRIAN AND TRAFFIC SAFETY, SEATBELT AND CAR USE, UM, ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER, MEMORIZATION, AND THEN BICYCLE SAFETY AND FI, UH, FIRE SAFETY, JUST TO NAME A FEW, UM, SOME PARKS UPDATES.
I KIND OF NOTIFIED YOU GUYS LAST WEEK ABOUT THE DIAL PARK, UH, GAZEBO.
UM, WE ARE STARTING, UH, THIS NEXT WEEK HERE TO GET THE MULCH DELIVERED, TO GET THE PATHWAY, UM, STARTED.
AND THEN, UM, AFTER THAT, THEN THE FLOWER BEDS ALONG THE PATHWAY WILL START TO, UH, TAKE SHAPE AS WELL.
SOME PERENNIALS WILL BE PLANTED, UM, AS WELL IN ABOUT FOUR TO SIX WEEKS.
THE YMCA, UM, HAS STARTED THEIR SUMMER PLAYGROUND PROGRAM.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE AT, UM, UH, COMMUNITY PARKS, UH, FOR THE NEXT NINE WEEKS.
IT'S GONNA BE ON MONDAYS FROM 10 TO 1130, FREE TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, THEY'RE TARGETING SCHOOL AGE KIDS FROM FIVE TO 12.
UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE A PROGRAM THAT PARKS, OR THE Y IS ALSO BRINGING THEIR, UM, Y ON THE FLY TO CLOUD PARK ON FRIDAY MORNINGS AT THE SPLASH PAD AS WELL WITH GAMES AND HEALTHY SNACKS.
UH, KROGER AQUATIC CENTER HAS THEIR FIRST RADIO DAY, UH, COMING UP THIS THURSDAY.
UH, SO BETWEEN TWO AND FOUR GUESTS CAN GET IN AND RECEIVE HALF PRICE ADMISSION, AND THEN THEY'LL ALSO GET A FREE GIFT FROM K 99.1 FM IS THE RADIO STATION THAT'S GONNA BE THERE.
CITYWIDE GARAGE SALES COMING UP.
IT IS, UH, THIS, UH, THIR JUNE 13TH THROUGH THE 16TH.
WE DID COMPILE A LIST, UM, OF PEOPLE THAT, UH, CALLED IN AND GAVE US THEIR INFORMATION.
THAT LIST IS GONNA GO IN PRINT HERE AT CITY HALL ON WEDNESDAY.
IT'LL ALSO BE ON THE WEBSITE, UM, FOR, FOR THOSE PLACES.
UM, THE JUNETEENTH MUSIC FESTIVAL, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, SUNDAY, JUNE 16TH.
IT'LL BE AT EICHENBERG EEL BERGER.
UH, IT'S GONNA RUN FROM FOUR TO NINE, UM, PARKING AND ADMISSIONS FREE.
THEY ARE GONNA HAVE, UM, FOOD MUSIC VENDORS AND A COMMUNITY, UM, UM, OUTREACH THERE.
SO, UM, THAT INFORMATION'S ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND THE FACEBOOK PAGE FOR THOSE, UM, STAR SPANGLED HEIGHTS.
UH, THAT'S COMING UP JUNE 29TH AT THOMAS CLOUD PARK.
UH, WE WILL HAVE THE PARADE STARTING AT 10:00 AM FOLLOWED BY FESTIVITIES, STARTING AT THE PARK, UM, AT NOON.
UH, CONCLUDING WITH FIREWORKS AT 10:00 PM.
LASTLY, UH, WE DID HAVE OUR, UH, SUMMER CONCERT SERIES.
THIS SATURDAY IS THE SECOND OFFERING.
WE WILL HAVE, UH, BRASS TAX BAND AT THE EICHELBERGER AMPHITHEATER, UM, SIX TO 9:00 PM AND ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE ITEMS? THANKS, JOHN.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOHN, UH, ON THE ITEMS THAT HE WENT OVER THIS EVENING? OKAY.
IT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER NINE,
[ An Ordinance Amending Certain Sections Of Part Eleven - Planning And Zoning Code Of The City Code Of Huber Heights Regarding Self-Storage Facilities (Case TA 23-26). (second reading)]
WHICH IS PENDING BUSINESS ITEM NINE, A 10 ITEM NINE A.AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CERTAIN SECTIONS OF PART 11 PLANNING AND ZONING CODE OF THE CITY, CODE OF HUBER HEIGHTS REGARDING SELF STORAGE FACILITIES IN CASE TA 2 2 3 DASH 26 AT THE SECOND READING.
THIS IS, UH, AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
THIS IS A TEXT CHANGE, UM, TO THE CODE ITSELF.
THE TEXT CHANGE IS CHANGING SELF STORAGES, UH, UNITS TO SPECIAL USE IN INDUSTRIAL ZONING, UH, AREAS.
AND THE WORK SESSION RECOMMENDATION WAS ADOPTION.
IS THERE A MOTION, JOHN, MOVE TO ADOPT, SIR.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, TONY.
[ An Ordinance To Approve A Basic Development Plan In A Planned Mixed Use (PM) District For A New 17,725 Square Foot City Governance Center For Property Located At 6151 Brandt Pike And Identified As Parcel Number P70 03912 0146 On The Montgomery County Auditor’s Map And To Accept The Recommendation Of The Planning Commission (Case BDP 24-07). (second reading)]
NINE B.ITEM NINE B, AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A PLAN MIXED USE PM DISTRICT FOR A NEW 17,725 SQUARE FOOT CITY GOVERNANCE CENTER FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 61 51 BRANT PIKE AND IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER P 7 0 3 9 12 46 ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S MAP.
AND TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN CASE BDP 24 DASH ZERO SEVEN AT THE SECOND READING.
JOHN, ADDITIONAL COMMENT, UH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR APPLICATION FOR THE GOVERNANCE CENTER.
UM, UH, IT HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION.
WORK SESSION RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ADOPT A ZERO MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND, NANCY? SECOND.
AND SECOND, IS THERE A DISCUSSION? OKAY.
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MRS. KITCHEN? NO.[ A Resolution Affirming The Appointment Of John Russell And Approving A Professional Services Agreement With John Russell Regarding The Position Of Interim City Manager Of The City Of Huber Heights. (first reading)]
10 UNDER NEW BUSINESS ITEM 10.A RESOLUTION AFFIRMING THE APPOINTMENT OF JOHN RUSSELL AND APPROVING A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH JOHN RUSSELL REGARDING THE POSITION OF INTERIM CITY MANAGER OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS AT THE FIRST READING.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? THIS RESOLUTION IS JUST TO AFFIRM IN LEGISLATION THE APPOINTMENT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DONE BY MOTION OF COUNSEL TO APPOINT JOHN AS THE, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND ALSO APPROVES THE, UH, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR HIS WORK IN THAT POSITION.
IS THERE A MOTION? MARK? SO MOVE SIR.
ANY DISCUSSION? RAISE YOUR I'M HIGHER.
[ A Motion To Appoint Richard Moore To The Parks And Recreation Board For A Term Ending March 31, 2027.]
B.A MOTION TO APPOINT RICHARD MOORE TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD FOR A TERM ENDING MARCH 31ST, 2027.
TERRY, DO YOU HAVE ANY EXTRA COMMENTS? THIS IS JUST A VACANCY, UH, APPOINTMENT ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD.
ALL THE APPROPRIATE BACKGROUND CHECKS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO A APPOINT WAS THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR A MOTION.
ANY DISCUSSION? ATTORNEY MRS. KITCHEN? YES.
MOTION ALSO CARRIE? SEVEN TO ZERO.
[ An Ordinance To Amend The Codified Ordinances Of The City Of Huber Heights, Ohio To Provide Amendments To Certain Sections Of The Traffic Code And To Certain Sections Of The General Offenses Code; To Provide For Codification; To Provide For Severability; And To Repeal Conflicting Ordinances. (first reading)]
10 C.ITEM 10 C, AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, OHIO TO PROVIDE AMENDMENTS TO CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE TRAFFIC CODE AND TO CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE GENERAL OFFENSES CODE TO PROVIDE FOR CODIFICATION TO PROVIDE FOR SEVER SEVERABILITY AND TO REPEAL CONFLICTING ORDINANCES OF THE FIRST READING.
AND TONY, ANY MORE COMMENTS? UH, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE, UH, PERIODICALLY UPDATE, UH, REFERENCES IN THE GENERAL OFFENSES CODE AND THE TRAFFIC CODE, UH, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OHIO REVISED CODE.
IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY, BY OUR, UH, LAW DIRECTOR AND, UH, BY THE, UH, CODIFICATION COMPANY.
AND, UM, THIS CAN GO TO A SECOND.
RECOMMENDATION WAS TO PASS ITEM TO SECOND READING.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THIS ON TO ANOTHER READ.
[ An Ordinance Providing For The Issuance And Sale Of Notes In The Maximum Principal Amount Of $5,000,000, In Anticipation Of The Issuance Of Bonds, For The Purpose Of Paying The Costs Of Improving The City’s Facilities By Constructing, Furnishing And Equipping A New Building To House The Public Works Department, Including Landscaping, Site Improvements, Any Necessary Utility Improvements, Constructing Related Parking Facilities, And Acquiring Real Property And Interests Therein In Connection Therewith, All Together With The Necessary Appurtenances Thereto, And Declaring An Emergency. (first reading)]
UNDER ADMINISTRATION, WE HAVE ITEM 10 D, ITEM 10 D, AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF NOTES AND THE MAXIMUM PRINCIPLE AMOUNT OF $5 MILLION, ANY ANTICIPATION OF THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING THE COST OF IMPROVING THE CITY'S FACILITIES BY CONSTRUCTING, FURNISHING, AND EQUIPPING A NEW BUILDING TO HOUSE THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING LANDSCAPING SITE IMPROVEMENTS, ANY NECESSARY UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS, CONSTRUCTING RELATED PARKING FACILITIES, AND ACQUIRING REAL PROPERTY AND INTEREST THEREIN IN CONNECTION THERE WITH, ALTOGETHER WITH THE NECESSARY APPEARANCES THERE TOO, AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY AT THE FIRST READING.THIS IS JUST, UH, AS, AS JIM BELL SPOKE AT THE WORK SESSION, THE, UH, ISSUANCE OF BONDS FOR, UH, $5 MILLION TO PURPOSES TO PAY FOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
AND RECOMMENDATION WAS MOVE TO THIS ITEM TO A SECOND.
[ An Ordinance Providing For The Issuance And Sale Of Notes In The Maximum Principal Amount Of $10,000,000, In Anticipation Of The Issuance Of Bonds, For The Purpose Of Paying The Costs Of Improving The City’s Facilities By Constructing, Furnishing And Equipping A New Building To House The City Council Chambers, A Senior Services Facility And Other Administrative Purposes, Including Landscaping, Site Improvements, Any Necessary Utility Improvements, Constructing Related Parking Facilities, And Acquiring Any Necessary Real Property And Interests Therein In Connection Therewith, All Together With The Necessary Appurtenances Thereto, And Declaring An Emergency. (first reading)]
ITEM 10 E.ITEM 10 E AND AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR THE ISSUANCE AND SALE NOTES AND THE MAXIMUM PRINCIPLE AMOUNT OF $10 MILLION IN ANTICIPATION OF THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS FOR THE PURPOSES OF PAYING THE COST OF IMPROVING THE CI CITY'S FACILITIES BY CONSTRUCTING, FURNISHING AND EQUIPPING A NEW BUILDING TO HOUSE THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THE SENIOR SERVICES FACILITY, AND OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE PURPOSES, INCLUDING LANDSCAPING SITE IMPROVEMENTS, ANY NECESSARY UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS, CONSTRUCTING RELATED PARKING FACILITIES, AND ACQUIRING ANY NECESSARY REAL PROPERTY AND INTEREST THEREIN IN CONNECTION THEREWITH ALTOGETHER WITH THE NECESSARY APPEARANCES THERE TOO, AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY AT THE FIRST READING.
SO, UH, IS THERE A MOTION? ALRIGHT, SHALL I GO? YEAH, I'LL GO TO JOHN, BUT I'M ALSO, DO WE NEED TO REMOVE THIS? THIS HAS SENIOR SERVICES FACILITY BUILT INTO THAT LEGISLATION WE THINK WE NEED TO REMOVE.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING WAS, IS WE WERE TOLD NOT TO CHANGE ANY CHRIS TRUMAN'S LEGISLATION.
SO I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO A SECOND READING ANYWAY, SO WE COULD GET THE CHANGES FOR AMENDMENT BY THE NEXT READING.
THAT'S WHY I CALLED PERMISSION.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO MOVE THIS TIME TO A SECOND READING AS WELL.
[ An Ordinance Amending Section 934.02 And Section 934.03 Of The Codified Ordinances Of The City Of Huber Heights. (first reading)]
THE NEXT IS ITEM 10 F, ITEM[00:15:01]
10 F AN ORDINANCE AMENING, SECTION 9 34 0.02 AND SECTION 9 34 0.03 OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF, OF HUBER HEIGHTS AT THE FIRST STREET.JOHN, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? UH, JUST REMEMBER THIS IS THE, UH, WE HAD A COUPLE, UH, APPLICANTS THAT NEEDED THE SIX INCH METERS, UM, TO THE NEW, UH, BUSINESSES.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT RATE CURRENTLY IN OUR, IN OUR RATE PAY STRUCTURE.
SO THIS IS JUST GONNA ADD THAT RATE, UH, INTO THAT PAY STRUCTURE.
AND THE WORK SESSION RECOMMENDATION WAS TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING AND THEN ADOPT THIS ITEM.
IS THERE A MOTION TO WAIVE SCOTT? MOTION TO WAIVE.
AND SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, TONY, CALL.
NEXT WE NEED A MOTION TO ADOPT DON MOVE TO ADOPT FRED.
I WILL SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
[ A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Enter Into A Contract For The Preparation Of Engineering Plans And Specifications For The Design Of The 2025-2030 Water Main Replacement Program. (first reading)]
10 G.ITEM 10 GA RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT FOR THE PREPARATION OF ENGINEERING PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE DESIGN OF THE 2025 THROUGH 2030 WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
AT THE FIRST READING, JOHN, JUST AS IT SAYS, SIR, THIS IS JUST THE, UH, UH, ABILITY TO GET THE CONTRACT FOR THE PLANS AND SPECS FOR THE WATER REPLACEMENT.
IT'S GONNA RUN FROM 2025 TO 2030.
IS THERE A MOTION? MOVE TO A JUDGE.
SO SECOND, SCOTT, SECOND MOVE.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? JUST WANNA ASK THE QUESTION TO VERIFY WHAT'S THE, SO WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT OF, OF ANTICIPATED PIPE THAT WE'RE EXPECTING? UM, RUSS, WHAT'S THE, THE OVERALL DOLLAR ON THIS PARTICULAR, WHAT WE'RE ENGINEERING FOR? UH, THE CROSS ENGINEERING IS, UH, I BELIEVE ROUGHLY 350,000.
AND IT, IT COVERS ABOUT $10 MILLION WORTH OF WATER MAIN.
THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT I WANTED TO GET TO.
AND MOTION CARRIES? SEVEN ZERO.
[11. Citizens Comments - General]
WHICH IS CITIZENS' COMMENTS THAT ARE GENERAL IN NATURE.UM, SO THAT'S FOR THE NEXT SUBJECT, MA'AM.
UH, YOU WERE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, RADIO EVENT.
IF YOU WANNA STEP UP, WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT, YOU CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE.
I'M JANE DIETER AT, UH, 8 8 7 OH DAVID GATE DRIVE HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE HUBER HEIGHTS AMATEUR RADIO CLUB.
UM, SO MEMBERS OF THE HUBRIS CITY, COUNCIL CITY, OTHER CITY OFFICIALS AND MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HERE TONIGHT AS A MEMBER OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS AMATEUR RADIO CLUB, I WISH TO CORDLEY INVITE CITY OFFICIALS AND OTHER PEOPLE FROM THE GENERAL COMMUNITY TO MEET WITH AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS FROM THE HUBER HEIGHTS AMATEUR RADIO CLUB AT COTTONWOOD PARK.
606,000 FISHBURG ROAD AS WE HOLD OUR ANNUAL FIELD DAY EVENT ON JUNE 22ND AND TO TWO TO JUNE 23RD, 2024.
THIS IS A NATIONAL FIELD DAY FOR AMATEUR RADIO ENTHUSIASTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
AMATEUR RADIOS OR HAMS AS WERE KNOWN, WE'LL BE SETTING UP PORTABLE RADIO EQUIPMENT AND UNUSUAL LOCATIONS AND MAKING CONTACT WITH OTHER HAMS TO PRACTICE OUR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS CAPABILITIES IN DISASTERS.
HAMPERS PROVIDE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS FOR MANY GOVERNMENT AND CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS IN PAST YEARS.
HAM RADIO OPERATORS HAVE MADE HEADLINES WITH THEIR WORK IN WILDFLOWERS, WILDFIRES, FLOODS, STORMS, TORNADOES, AND OTHER CRISES.
WE PROVIDE SUPPLEMENTAL COMMUNICATIONS WHEN NORMAL SYSTEMS ARE RENDERED INOPERABLE OR OVERLOADED.
WE ALSO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS SUCH AS THE AIR FORCE MARATHON.
SO WE INVITE YOU TO COME OUT TO COTTONWOOD PARK ON SATURDAY, JUNE 22ND AND CHECK US OUT.
SEE THE KIND OF EQUIPMENT WE USE IN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO COURSELY AND QUARTERLY ADVISED.
YOU CAN EVEN GET ON THE AIR AND CONTRACT A RADIO OPERATOR IN ANOTHER COUNTY OR STATE.
WE'LL HAVE OTHER HANDS-ON RADIO ACTIVITIES THAT ANYONE CAN ENJOY.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S FIELD DAY AT COTTONWOOD PARK.
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IS TO CHECK US OUT.IT'S BETWEEN TWO AND 10:00 PM ON SATURDAY, JUNE 22ND.
IS THERE ANY, THIS LAST GENERAL CITIZENS COMMENT? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL MOVE ON NOW TO
[12. Town Hall Meeting Regarding Pending Bethel Township Annexation Petition - Citizens Comments/Discussion]
ITEM 12, WHICH IS, UH, THE TOWN HALL, UH, MEETING REGARDING THE PENDING BETHEL TOWNSHIP ANNEXATION PETITION, UH, WITH CITIZEN COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION.SO, UM, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, SO IN THIS PARTICULAR TIME ON, ON THIS ITEM, UH, WE'RE NOT HOLDING ANYONE TO LET'S A SPECIFIC FIVE MINUTE TIMEFRAME, BUT WE WOULD ASK, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO HAVE ASKED TO SPEAK.
SO I WOULD ASK, UM, THAT YOU BE DIRECTING YOUR COMMENTS OR DIRECTING YOUR QUESTIONS AND WE'LL OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE, UH, UP HERE ON CITY COUNCIL TO, UH, TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
I WOULD ASK THAT WE, I, I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HERE ARE FRUSTRATED AND ANGRY, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT WE KEEP THE CONVERSATION AND THE DISCUSSION AND THE DIALOGUE CIVIL, UH, AND WE WILL AS WELL.
AND I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT IF YOU ARE ASKING A QUESTION, BECAUSE THE GOAL OF THIS IS NOT JUST COMMENTS, BUT TO HAVE DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH FOR YOU TO ASK A QUESTION.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE DUE DILIGENCE REPORT THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND OR YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS, IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN THAT, MAKE IT MORE CLEAR.
BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE HELPFUL TO ANYBODY IF THE SAME QUESTION'S BEING ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND THEN THE SAME ANSWER IS BEING GIVEN MULTIPLE TIMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
SO, SO I WOULD ASK ALL OF YOU TO KIND OF PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED AND THE ANSWERS THAT ARE GIVEN, AND THAT'LL HELP US MOVE THROUGH THIS.
BUT WE CERTAINLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ARE ASKED AND ANSWERED.
SO I HOPE EVERYONE ARE OKAY WITH THOSE GUIDELINES AS WE KIND OF MOVE THROUGH THIS THIS EVENING.
SO TO START, WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH WITH TONY.
UH, TONY HAS, UH, A LIST OF THE PEOPLE WHO WHO HAVE SIGNED UP, UH, TO MAKE STATEMENTS OR ASK A QUESTION.
SO TONY, IF YOU GO AHEAD AND START.
WE'LL START OFF WITH, UH, WE'RE TAKING THESE IN THE ORDER I RECEIVED THEM.
SO WE'LL START OFF WITH CLAIRE.
MY NAME IS CLAIRE AND I'M A FRESHMAN AT BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS.
I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE, YOU MIGHT NEED TO RAISE THE MIC JUST CLOSER TO YOU SO WE CAN HEAR.
I'M HERE TODAY TO PLEASE THINK, ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE STUDENTS AT BETHEL WHEN YOU VOTE ON ANNEXING HUNDREDS OF ACRES FOR MORE HOUSING.
WE ARE CRAMPED IN BETHEL AS IT IS.
TEACHERS ARE QUITTING IN BIG NUMBERS.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH THREE SUPERINTENDENTS IN THE PA LAST FEW YEARS.
THE HALLWAYS AND LUNCHROOM ARE SO CROWDED.
SOME DAYS THERE'S NOT EVEN ENOUGH TIME TO EAT BY THE TIME YOU GET THROUGH THE LINE, THE HALLWAY, THE STUDY HALLS HAVE A HUNDRED PLUS KIDS IN THEM.
KIDS CAN'T STUDY AND TEACHERS CAN'T CONTROL THAT MANY KIDS AT ONCE.
STUDENTS AREN'T DISCIPLINED PROPERLY BECAUSE THERE JUST AREN'T, ARE TOO MANY OF THEM TO DEAL WITH.
THERE HAVE BEEN TEACHERS WHO DIDN'T HAVE CLASSROOMS AND STUDENTS WHO DIDN'T HAVE DESKS OR BOOKS.
IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE ALREADY THERE.
PLEASE DON'T MAKE IT WORSE BY BRINGING IN HUNDREDS MORE KIDS.
AND WE KNOW THE BUILDING TAKES A LOT OF TIME.
I LEARNED IN A TRAILER FOR ALL OF FIFTH GRADE BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION WE WENT TO IN THE ELEMENTARY BUILDING WAS FINISHED.
IT WAS ALREADY FULL KIDS IN HUBER HEIGHTS AND BETHEL DESERVE BETTER.
PLEASE THINK OF ME AND MY FRIENDS WHEN YOU GO ON THE THIS ANNEX SECTION.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU DON'T KNOW, I'M A CHILDHOOD HUBER HEIGHTS RESIDENT, A WAYNE GRADUATE AND A BETHEL TOWNSHIP RESIDENT WITHIN BETHEL PROPER SINCE 2008.
I'M AGAINST THE ANNEXATION FOR MORE THAN JUST WHAT IT WOULD DO TO THE BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS.
BUT WHAT IT WOULD DO TO THE COMMUNITIES, I HAVE READ THE DUE DILIGENCE REPORT AND I HAVE PLENTY OF QUESTIONS FROM THAT, BUT I'VE COMBINED THEM TO JUST THESE THAT I HAVE HERE.
ON PAGE FIVE AND SIX, THE CALCULATIONS FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO WAS TAKING CARRIAGE TRAILS, ONE INFORMATION OF ABOUT A HUNDRED HOMES PER YEAR.
FIVE HOMES PER ACRE EQUALING 1,480 HOMES IN APPROXIMATELY 15 YEARS.
THIS NUMBER WAS USED TO CALCULATE MORE INFORMATION PRESENTED THROUGHOUT THE REPORT, LIKE THE POPULATION, LIKE THE
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MONEY COMING IN EITHER VIA TAXES OR THE CALCULATION OF A POTENTIAL ONE-TIME, ADMINISTRATIVE FEES FOR PROCESSING ASSESSMENTS IF THAT SHOULD HAPPEN, AS WELL AS THE MONEY THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHICH WAS PRESENTED TO AT THE MEETING THAT BETHEL COULD SUPPOSEDLY GET.AND THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THOSE CALCULATIONS BASED ON THAT 1480 NUMBER.
HOWEVER, IN EXHIBIT G, THE PROPOSED PLAN IS NOT JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
ALSO IN THERE ARE LIFESTYLE HOMES ALSO IN THERE ARE TOWN HOMES.
SO DOESN'T THAT NEGATE THE 1480 NUMBER? SO THAT'S MY QUESTION.
DOES IT? NO, THERE'S ACTUALLY BEEN AN UPDATED MAP THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED.
UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY I THINK JUST SINCE TODAY AND THAT NUMBER IS 1480.
SO 1,480 IS THE ACTUAL ACCURATE NUMBER.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT PROPOSED, SO THE MAP HAS CHANGED, DOES THE MAP HAVE POTENTIAL TO CHANGE BACK TO TOWN HOMES AS WELL AS WELL AS THE LIFESTYLE? SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS, SO WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUAL ZONING, IF IT WAS STRAIGHT ZONING, THOSE WOULD BE DIFFERENT RULES AND REGULATIONS, CORRECT? YES.
BASED UPON JUST STRAIGHT ZONING.
SO THERE WILL BE SOMEWHAT OF A MIX OF SOME TOWN HOMES AND IF YOU WANNA CALL 'EM LIFESTYLE HOMES OR SOME SENIOR RESIDENTS, JUST KINDA THE SAME.
THERE IS IN CARRIAGE TRAILS NOW, BUT THE ZONING WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
IT WOULD BE A PLANNED MIXED USE OF ZONING RATHER THAN JUST A STRAIGHT ZONING.
BUT IS 1,480 HOMES, WHETHER IT'S ZONED THAT WAY, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CARRIAGE TRAILS TOO WOULD BE THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, YES.
WELL I THINK THERE'S, I MEAN THERE'S ALWAYS A POTENTIAL TO CHANGE, BUT YES, SO THAT IS CORRECT.
SO MY NEXT QUESTION THEN IS ON THE DUE DILIGENCE REPORT.
WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS, AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WITHIN THE WHOLE THING, IT'S LOOKED AT IN ISOLATION.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS IF FOR EXAMPLE, THE POPULATION IMPACT ON PAGE SIX, PAGE SIX ONLY SHOWS THE GROWTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, YET WE DO KNOW ON THE HUBER HEIGHTS POPULATION, YET YOU DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING WITHIN HUBER HEIGHTS, WHICH YOU DO HAVE THE NUMBERS FOR, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IN POPULATION, WHICH THOSE POPULATION NUMBERS WERE ALSO SHOWING ON PAGE 15 AND 16, THE HOW MUCH IT WOULD TAKE FOR NEW POLICE, NEW FIRE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY IS IT LOOKED AT IN ISOLATION AND NOT IN ITS RELATION TO, WITHIN HUBER AS A WHOLE, HOW THAT IS IMPACTING THE FIRE, HOW THAT IS IMPACTING THE ROADS IN GENERAL, NOT JUST THAT PARTICULAR AREA, BUT THE REST OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
HOW IS THAT THE POLICE, HOW IS THAT NOT ALSO PUT IN THERE? I'LL ANSWER THAT AGAIN.
WELL, BECAUSE, SO THOSE THINGS WOULD NEED TO BE MAINTAINED OUTSIDE OF ANY PROPOSED ANNEXATION ANYWAY.
SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT.
THIS PARTICULAR DUE DILIGENCE WAS DONE BASED UPON THE ANNEXATION OF THE 296 ACRES.
SO WE WOULDN'T LOOK AT OTHER ITEMS OR OTHER AREAS OF INFRASTRUCTURE OR, UH, PERSONNEL COSTS OR ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE THERE BASED ON THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
ANYWAY, THIS DUE DILIGENCE, THESE ASSUMPTIONS WERE BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION AND THE IDEA OF JUST THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION NUMBERS.
I GUESS I UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION.
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU HAVE POPULATION THAT IS JUST INCLUDING THAT ACREAGE AND NOT KNOWING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THESE NUMBERS AND YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, WE'LL ONLY NEED THREE OR FOUR NEW, UM, FIREFIGHTERS OR THAT, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE THREE OR FOUR YOU MAY ALSO NEED BECAUSE YOU HAVE OTHER POPULATION? YES.
AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, APPARATUSES, EQUIPMENT, PERSONNEL, THOSE ARE ALL BASED ON OUT OF OUR FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
WELL THAT ALSO INCLUDES THOSE OTHER PEOPLE.
MY OTHER QUESTION TO THIS, I UNDERSTAND THAT 2 0 1, 2 0 2 AND 40 ARE ALL STATE ROUTE ROADS.
SO THEREFORE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS DON'T NECESSARILY, YOU'RE NOT QUOTE IN CHARGE OF.
UM, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT THE SAFETY CONCERNS.
HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE INTERSECTION OF 2 0 1 AND CARRIAGE TAILS PARKWAY, WHICH WE ARE ON WHAT YEAR SEVEN OR SO.
AND WE'RE JUST NOW TRYING TO GET A LIGHT HERE.
AND I WAS AT THAT TOWN HALL MEETING AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE BLAME WAS PUT ON THE FACT THAT IT'S HARD TO WORK WITH ODOT.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHY, KNOWING THAT THIS IS GOING TO COME INTO PLAY, WHY WAS THERE NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT THAT AARON? SURE.
SO THE DUE DILIGENCE REPORT WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE STAFFING, THE FISCAL IMPACTS OF, OF THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION.
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WE WILL LOOK AT THE HOW TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY, UH, ISSUES ON HOW A, A DEVELOPMENT WOULD EITHER, UH, INTERACT WITH 42 0 1, 2 0 2, UH, THROUGH THE DETAIL, THROUGH, EXCUSE ME, THROUGH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN THROUGH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE JUST A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN OF RAILROADS MAY GO.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN NOR EVALUATED ANY OF THOSE, UH, OPTIONS YET.
I GUESS I WOULD LOOK AT THE FACT OF I WOULDN'T WANNA WAIT FOR SEVEN YEARS AND DO EVERYTHING AFTER THE FACT.
'CAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW IN HUBERT WITH TRAFFIC PANES.
YOU LOOKING AT IT, EVERYTHING ELSE, IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING'S COMING, WHY NOT DO IT PRIOR? THAT'S JUST MY, MY THOUGHT ON THAT.
UM, THE NEXT THING I HAD, UM, WELL I HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE QUESTION THAT I WANTED TO KNOW WAS ON PAGE 11, THERE'S A STATEMENT THAT READS, WHEN CONSIDERING A LONG-TERM IMPLICATIONS OF THE CONDITIONS FORECASTED ABOVE, THERE'S A HIGH DEGREE OF LIKELIHOOD THAT FUTURE POLICIES OF BOTH BETHEL TOWNSHIP AND BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS WILL TRANSITION TOWARD A CITY INCLUSIVE NATURE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONDITIONS WERE THAT THE FACT BASICALLY IF CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO WERE TO BE DONE, THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE BETHEL TOWNSHIP'S RESIDENTS IN CARRIAGE TRAIL ONE AND TWO THAN THE REMAINING IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY TRANSITION TOWARD A CITY INCLUSIVE NATURE? DOES THAT MEAN MORE ANNEXATION OR DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO INTEGRATE BETHEL TOWNSHIP INTO HUBER? NO, NOT AT ALL.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS, UH, THE SAME WAY THAT BETHEL WENT WITH CONFORMING BOUNDARIES IN CARE TRAILS ONE THAT SEPARATED WHAT WAS IN CARE TRAILS ONE TO REMAIN IN THE TOWNSHIP.
SO THIS IS JUST SAYING THAT IF BETHEL ADMINISTRATORS AND THE TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CONFORM BOUNDARIES, THEN YES, THAT WOULD BECOME OUTSIDE OF BETHEL TOWNSHIP AND WITHIN HUBBERT THAT WOULD BECOME MORE LONG CITY ORGANIZATION LEADERSHIP THAT WAY.
BUT WE WOULD EXPECT THE SAME WAY THAT CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE CONFORM BOUNDARIES AND STAYED IN THE TOWNSHIP, THE TRUSTEES WOULD ACTUALLY DO THE SAME WITH CARE SHELLS TWO.
BUT IF THEY DIDN'T, THEN YES, THAT'S WHEN, UH, CERTAINLY IT'D BE MORE OF A, OF A CITY ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE.
BUT THEY CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT.
THEY CONFORM BOUNDARIES IN CARE SHELLS ONE, WE WOULD EXPECT THEM TO DO THE SAME IN CARE SHES TWO.
UM, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT I FOUND WHEN I WAS LOOKING ON PAGE 23, AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN LOOKING AT THINGS THAT THEY SAW THE POTENTIAL OF GETTING A SCHOOL FOR BETHEL, UM, WHICH IN LOOKING AT EVERYTHING, I DON'T SEE EVEN HOW IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT I THINK WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT IT SAYS HERE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT EACH OF THESE ALTERNATIVE STRATEGIES IS GOVERNED BY PROVISIONS OF THE ORC AND IF IMPLEMENTED OR REQUIRED TO BE PUBLICLY DEBATED AND LEGISLATED.
FURTHERMORE, VOTING TO AFFIRM THE ANNEXATION OF THE ACRE IS NOT TO VOTE IN SUPPORT OF ANY ALTERNATIVE STRATEGIES.
MY CAUTION IN MY, THIS IS A COMMENT, HUBRIS MADE STATEMENTS BEFORE SAYING THEY'RE GONNA DO ONE THING AND ACTUALLY DO ANOTHER, LIKE THE OUTDOOR SHOPPING VENUE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AROUND THE ROWS, BUT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT APARTMENTS AND EVEN MORE THAN WAS ORIGINALLY PUT THERE, THE MARION MEADOWS PROJECT THAT KIND OF FELL APART AND IS NOW SOMETHING ELSE.
AND LET'S NOT FORGET WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WHERE CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE IS NOW.
THERE'S NO GOLF CARS, THERE'S NO WALKING PASS, THERE'S NO TREES, THERE'S NO EDU, THERE'S NO ACREAGE.
OKAY? IN MY OPINION, THIS IS A PLACATING MOVE.
YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AT THE MEETING, THERE'S A LOT OF LEGISLATIVE NEEDS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
AND THOSE OPTIONS AND TIFF WOULD EVEN HAVE TO GO INTO POSSIBLY LEGAL STUFF TO DO THE, THE TIFF BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A TIF ON THAT.
THAT WAS IN YOUR DOCUMENTATION.
THE OTHER THING I DON'T UNDERSTAND, WHEN THE MAJORITY OF THE LAND IS OWNED BY GLJ HOLDING COMPANY, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPER 200 ACRES, OKAY, WHY EXACTLY ARE THEY ANNEXING WHEN SERVICES ARE PROVIDED, SERVICES ARE PROVIDED THERE, EVERYTHING IS THERE.
HAVE THEY GONE TO THE TOWNSHIP TO ASK ABOUT ZONING? I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO.
THE OTHER THING, MR. MAYOR, YOU MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT YOU BELIEVED THAT YOU WERE BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, BUT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR IS NOT WHAT YOU PROFESS, IT'S SOMETHING YOU DEMONSTRATED.
AND IT'S YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO DE DEEM YOU A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
BETHEL TOWNSHIP SCHOOL BOARD HAS WRITTEN TO OPPOSE THE ANNEXATION, AS HAS MIAMI COUNTY, AS HAS MANY RESIDENTS WITHIN BETHEL AS WELL AS HUBER.
I REALLY HOPE EACH ONE OF YOU STANDING HERE, SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW, YOU THINK ABOUT ARE YOU A GOOD NEIGHBOR?
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THAT'S ALL.SO YOU SAID THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE SCHOOL PIECE WAS NOT POSSIBLE.
SO WHAT, WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT? OR WHAT IS THE, WELL, HERE'S MY QUESTION.
WHY DO YOU BELIEVE IT'S NOT POSSIBLE? OKAY, FOR ONE, UM, WHEN I READ THE, UH, CR THE CR LET ME LOOK AT, WITH THE CRAS WILL NEGATE ANY OF THE BOUND BETHEL TOWNSHIP, TIFF, I READ THAT THE TIFF, IN ORDER FOR YOU TO HAVE A TIFF ON THAT, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE LAW DIRECTOR, SINCE THERE'S ALREADY A TIFF THERE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO POSSIBLY, WHILE IT MAY BE EASILY ONE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO AND AGAINST COURT TO GET THE TIFF.
THE OTHER, THE NCA KIND OF COMES ACROSS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS BASICALLY, YOU'RE GONNA PUT ALL OF THAT COST ONTO WHOEVER'S GOING TO BUILD IN CARRIAGE TRAILS.
AND WOULDN'T THAT MAKE SENSE? AND, AND YES, I WILL.
BUT EVEN SO, THERE'S STILL LEGISLATIVE AND, AND THAT'S NOT EVEN PUTTING IN THE FACT THAT THE WAY IT'S 10 MILLION FOR 15 YEARS, 10 MILLION FOR ANOTHER OR ANOTHER 10 MILLION NEXT YEAR, THAT'S 30 YEARS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE MEANTIME IF YOU HAVE NOT LOOKED AT CARRIAGE TRAILS? ONE, HOW THAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO BETHEL? WE WERE IN TRAILERS AND, UH, BY GOD WE'LL BE IN TRAILERS IN ANOTHER TWO YEARS.
IF THIS GOES, SO TO SAY, WELL, WE'LL GIVE YOU A NEW SCHOOL, SOUNDS GREAT ON PAPER, BUT THAT'S ONLY 20, $20 MILLION FOR A SCHOOL.
YOU ARE GONNA PAY 21 MIL, $21 MILLION FOR YOUR PUBLIC WORKS THAT DOESN'T HAVE CLASSROOMS, THAT DOESN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE BULLETPROOF PROOF GLASS THAT DOESN'T HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS.
THAT'S A PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING.
SO THAT'S MY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
SO THE, THE $20 MILLION MAY NOT BUILD THE ENTIRE BUILDING THE BILL.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT MEANT TO, IT'S NOT MEANT TO FUND THE TEACHERS.
THERE ARE PROPERTY TAXES, THERE ARE, THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE THAT COME INTO THE BETHEL SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT WILL FUND OPERATING OR, OR YOU COULD JUST NOT ANNEX AND HAVE IT DO IT THAT WAY.
SO IS THE PURPOSE TONIGHT TO BE, UM, CONFLICTING OR IS THE, OR IS THE PURPOSE TONIGHT TO ACTUALLY HAVE A DIALOGUE, ASK QUESTIONS, ASK QUESTIONS, AND THEN HOW PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS AND THEN, AND THEN GET THEM ANSWERED.
SO WHERE, WHERE I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING, IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED IF EVERYBODY WOULD ACTUALLY BE RESPECTFUL.
ANSWER THE QUESTION OR ASK THE QUESTION SO WE CAN HAVE AN OPEN DIALOGUE.
THERE ARE SEVERAL SOURCES OF REVENUE THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GETS.
THERE IS, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, BETHEL CHARGES ITS RESIDENTS A 0.75% SCHOOL TAX.
NOW MAYBE THAT RENEWAL LEVY DOESN'T PASS.
THAT'LL BE UP TO THE PEOPLE OF BETHEL.
THAT'S UP TO THE PEOPLE OF HEBREW HEIGHTS.
BUT THAT 0.75% SCHOOL TAX ALSO FUNDS A LOT OF THE OPERATIONS OF THE SCHOOL ITSELF.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MONEY.
FROM 2011 TO DATE, BETHEL HAS RECEIVED $28 MILLION FROM CARED SHELLS.
ONE $28 MILLION FROM CARED SHELLS.
ONE LAST YEAR THEY RECEIVED ABOUT $5.5 MILLION IN FUNDING JUST LAST YEAR.
SO OVER THE COURSE OF THE REST OF THE TIP, THAT'S ANOTHER 10 YEARS, 5.5 MILLION.
THAT'S A, A CONSTANT PROPERTY TAX NUMBER.
NOW WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE IT'S BUILT OUT, 5.5 MILLION TIMES 10 IS 55 MILLION.
THAT'S $55 MILLION JUST FROM CARRIAGE TRAILS.
ONE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE INCOME TAX, $55 MILLION IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, PLUS THE $28 MILLION THEY'VE RECEIVED ALREADY.
AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ABOUT ANOTHER $300,000 A YEAR.
THAT COMES FROM, UH, THE ACTUAL, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THE DIFFERENT TIF AREAS THAT MONEY FUNNELS UP THERE TO THE SCHOOLS.
SO I BELIEVE, JIM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE NUMBER SOMEWHERE PROJECTED KNOWING WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT AND WHAT'S BEEN PAID ALREADY IS SOMEWHERE AROUND $83 MILLION FOR THOSE THOUSAND EXTRA KIDS.
IT'S ABOUT 940 KIDS I THINK HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE BETHEL SCHOOLS.
THAT'S THE MONEY THAT'S COMING INTO BETHEL FROM THIS.
NOW, IF IT COMES TO WHY YOUR SUPERINTENDENTS ARE LEAVING, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TALK TO THE BOARD ABOUT.
WHERE'S THE BOARD SPENDING THE MONEY? I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING YOU NEED TO TALK TO YOUR SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT.
NOW I KNOW OUR SUPERINTENDENT PREVIOUSLY HAD A MEETING WITH THE BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD, BUT BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, MAYBE, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE PRESIDENT AND THE ACTUAL SUPERINTENDENT FESS AT THE TIME WHERE THAT SUPERINTENDENT, MARIO BASRA ASKED IF HEBREW HEIGHTS WOULD TAKE ON THOSE SCHOOLS.
HE ASKED TO ABSORB THOSE STUDENTS AND SUPERINTENDENT FES AND THE BOARD MEMBER AT THAT TIME SAID,
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NO, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LET THOSE KIDS GO BECAUSE THEY DID NOT WANT TO LOSE THE REVENUE THAT CAME FROM THE BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD.THAT MEETING TOOK PLACE AND THAT DISCUSSION HAPPENED.
YOU MIGHT NOT AGREE WITH IT, YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE IT, BUT THAT DISCUSSION ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE HUB, RIGHT? CITY SCHOOLS OFFERED TO TAKE THOSE KIDS.
BETHEL SAID, NO, THAT HAPPENED.
NOW THERE'S ALSO, I'VE SEEN THROUGH PUBLIC EMAILS, CULTURE KEEPS BEING BROUGHT UP.
THE LAST EMAIL THAT I SAW WAS FROM SOMEBODY ON, UM, ACTUALLY NOT A BOARD MEMBER, BUT A CURRENT TRUSTEE ACTUALLY MADE AN EMAIL IN A STATEMENT EMAIL THAT SAID, WE NEED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW MR. CHRISTMAN TO RESIGN SO WE CAN FIND ANOTHER SUPERINTENDENT WHO MAYBE FEELS MORE ALONG OUR LINES OF CULTURE, UH, AND OUR VISION FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD THAN WHAT MR. CHRISTMAN DOES.
SO THERE'S A TOWNSHIP TRUSTEE AMONGST YOU WHO'S ACTUALLY SENDING MESSAGES LIKE THAT THROUGH EMAILS TELLING THE BOARD, MAYBE WE SHOULD LET THE SUPERINTENDENT RESIGN OR GO OR TERMINATE SO WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY ELSE.
THOSE EMAILS ARE PUBLIC, THOSE EMAILS EXIST.
SO THOSE THINGS ARE OUT THERE AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE IN THE PUBLIC.
SO THERE'S THAT SAME SUPERINTENDENT ALSO SAID, WE BELIEVE WE'RE GROWING.
WE CAN HANDLE THAT GROWTH AND WE THINK WE WILL BE A MORE VIBRANT AND BETTER DISTRICT IN THE LONG RUN.
MAYBE THAT'S WHY THE SCHOOL BOARD AND ONE OF THE TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES, MS. REESE, DIDN'T WANT HIM HERE ANYMORE BECAUSE AS A SUPERINTENDENT, HIS BELIEF IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN THERE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE COMMUNITIES.
AND YOU AS A COMMUNITY, YOU SUPPORT, YOU FUND THE SCHOOLS.
SO YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT AND EVERY REASON TO FEEL THAT WAY AND WANT A DIFFERENT SUPERINTENDENT.
BUT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON THAT MAYBE NOT ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE OF.
SO $83 MILLION FROM 2011 TO 2034 IS GONNA BE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT BETHEL SCHOOLS RECEIVE JUST FROM CARRIAGE TRAILS PROPERTY TAX THAT HAS NO INCOME TAX CALCULATED INTO IT OR ANY OF THE OTHER FEES OR ANYBODY WHO'S PAYING PROPERTY TAXES OUTSIDE OF CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE.
SO THAT'S NOT INCLUDING ANYBODY ELSE WHO LIVES IN THE CITY, OR I'M SORRY, IN THE TOWNSHIP.
THAT'S JUST CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE MONEY.
NOW IF WE TALK ABOUT THE THE NEXT PIECE, WHICH YOU'RE NOT THINKING THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO FUND THAT, IT DOES MAKE SENSE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE MOVING INTO CARRIAGE TRAILS.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO CAUSE AN ISSUE IN THE OVERGROWTH OF THE POPULATION OR STUDENT GROWTH, WHY SHOULDN'T THEY BE LIABLE TO PAY FOR A LARGE PORTION OF ANOTHER SCHOOL BUILDING? I BELIEVE THAT'S FAIR.
AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT THAT WAS PUT INTO THE DUE DILIGENCE TO BE ABLE TO HELP FUND A SCHOOL.
SCHOOLS HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO FINANCE THE SCHOOLS CAN GO OUT AND, AND FINANCE AND, AND GET MONEY FROM THE OHIO FACILITIES COMMISSION AND THEY CAN BUILD A SCHOOL.
AND WHAT HUB HEIGHTS HAS OFFERED TO DO IS PAY THEM.
WE CAN FUND A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
IT'S A, THE SPREADSHEET WAS JUST A SPREADSHEET.
THERE'S GOTTA BE PLACEHOLDERS 15 MIL, YOU KNOW, 10 MILLION THROUGH YEARS, ONE THROUGH 15, 10 MILLION, UH, ANOTHER 10 MILLION IN YEAR 16 THROUGH 30.
WELL, COUNCIL THROUGH LEGISLATION WE CAN ENACT, WE CAN FRONT LOAD THAT MONEY, WE CAN BACK LOAD THAT MONEY.
WE CAN START THE MONEY ONCE, UH, THE KIDS START COMING IN, IF THIS PASSES, THERE WON'T BE STUDENTS READY TO GO INTO THOSE SCHOOLS FOR PROBABLY ANOTHER THREE YEARS.
BY THE TIME EVERYTHING HAPPENS, IT'S ALL PROPOSED.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GONNA WAKE UP ONE MORNING, THERE'S GONNA BE 1400 KIDS READY TO WALK IN AND KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND SAY, I'M HERE.
THIS IS A PROCESS OVER A 15 YEAR PERIOD AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO DECIDE THE LEGISLATION TO FUND HOW WE WANNA FUND THAT.
SO A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR PAYS FOR A LOT OF DEBT SERVICE TO HELP COVER THE COST OF WHATEVER THE FINANCING PAYMENT IS FOR A NEW SCHOOL BUILDING.
THE THE BEST PIECE ABOUT THIS FOR ANOTHER BUILDING.
NOW THE SCHOOL BOARD CAN DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO DIVVY IT UP OR WHAT GRADE LEVELS EACH ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS MAY WANNA HOST.
MAYBE IT'S AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, MAYBE IT'S A MIDDLE SCHOOL, MAYBE IT'S AN ADDITION ONTO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, HIGH SCHOOL I THINK IS FINE BECAUSE EVERY YEAR IN THE HIGH SCHOOL, NOBODY'S ACCOUNTING FOR THE 130 TO 150 KIDS THAT GRADUATE AND LEAVE THE DISTRICT EVERY YEAR.
THE MOST AMOUNT OF KIDS THAT ENROLLED IN BETHEL OVER SINCE 2011, SINCE CARRIAGE TRAIL STARTED BEING BUILT IS 164 KIDS.
THE NET ENROLLMENT GAIN MAXIMUM SINCE 2011 IS 164 KIDS.
THOSE, NO, WELL THEN, THEN YOU NEED TO HAVE AN, A DISCUSSION WITH, WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS CAME DIRECTLY FROM THEM.
ANY YEAR, ANY YEAR THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE HIGHEST NUMBER
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OF KIDS ENROLLED AS A NET GAIN.SO MS. REESE AGREES WITH THAT A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED SIXTY, A HUNDRED SIXTY FOUR.
WELL, NOT EVERY, NOT EVERY YEAR.
IT DOES ACCUMULATE WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, NOT YOUR SOLILOQUY.
THIS IS, THIS IS A DISCUSSION.
THIS IS A DISCUSSION AND IF YOU CAN, IF YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING, YOU CAN SIGN UP AND SPEAK AND IF NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PICK RIGHT HERE.
164 KIDS WAS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT HAS BEEN ENROLLED IN ANY GIVEN YEAR.
164 KIDS WAS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT WAS ENROLLED IN ANY GIVEN.
YOU JUST TOLD ME TO COME UP HERE.
NO, I TOLD YOU TO COME UP HERE AND BRING YOUR ACTUAL SHEET.
SO THIS IS WHAT A QUESTION AND ANSWER SITUATION LOOKS LIKE.
IF THERE'S QUESTIONS OUT THERE, THEN WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA ANSWER 'EM.
SO THAT $20 MILLION CAN BE FUNDED AT ANY TIME PERIOD.
IT COULD BE A MILLION A YEAR, IT COULD BE 2 MILLION A YEAR.
WE CAN DECIDE HOW TO DO THAT BASED ON THE GROWTH.
IF THERE ARE NO HOUSES BEING BUILT, THEN THERE ARE NO KIDS.
AS THE HOUSES ARE GETTING BUILT AND WE HAVE KIDS AND THOSE PROPERTY TAXES START COMING INTO THE CITY, THEN WE WILL REIMBURSE THAT AMOUNT.
20 MILLION IS THE NUMBER WE'VE AGREED TO.
IF COUNCIL SEES AND WORKS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT MAYBE THAT NUMBER NEEDS TO BE BIGGER, WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT.
IF A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS BUILT, WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS IS THAT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS BUSTING AT THE SEAMS. SO MAYBE IT IS A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SO NOT ONLY DOES THIS NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HELP RELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO THE CURRENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, IT GIVES THEM ANOTHER BUILDING FOR 700 KIDS TO GO TO, WHICH FREES UP THE AMOUNT OF KIDS THAT COULD GO INTO THE BUILDING THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
OKAY, WHO'S NEXT? DONNA HUGHES.
MY NAME IS DONNA HUGHES, 93 60 SOUTH MANN ROAD AND MY BUTTON SAYS ON THE EIGHTH DAY, GOD CREATED THE BETHEL BEES
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME HAVE MY VOICE BE HEARD.
I APPRECIATE AND THE TEXT AND THE JUNE 4TH MEETING VIDEO.
I COULD NOT HEAR YOU MR. CAMPBELL.
SO PLEASE EVERYONE WHO SPEAKS, SPEAK INTO YOUR MIC SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.
I WAS VERY, YOU TALKED VERY SOFTLY AS A GENTLEMAN, I JUST COULDN'T HEAR YOU SO I HAD TO LISTEN REAL CAREFULLY.
I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE, I'M HERE.
I WANT TO STOP THE ANNEXATION BECAUSE I WAS THRILLED TO DEATH WHEN YOU GUYS STOPPED DATING, INVADING YOU AND AS A NEIGHBOR TO YOU.
WE WERE THRILLED TO HAVE THE GROWTH.
BUT A LAW CAME IN AROUND 2003 THAT TOOK THE POWER OF THE TOWNSHIP, THE POWER OF THE POOR AND GAVE IT TO THE RICH.
THE MUNICIPALITIES WHO HAD THE DEEP POCKETS AND A HOUSE DIVIDED IS WHAT I WANNA TALK ABOUT.
I APPRECIATE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE MONIES.
I DISAGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
I DISAGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE ATTENDANCE BECAUSE ATTENDANCE WENT FROM 900 TO ALMOST 1900 IN 10 YEARS.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND THE TAXES COME IN LIKE A YEAR AND A HALF AFTER THE KID GETS THERE.
SO, AND IF THAT SET ALL THOSE KIDS ARE IN THAT ELEMENTARY, THEY'LL PROBABLY GO UP TO JUNIOR HIGH AND THEN PROBABLY GO INTO HIGH SCHOOL.
AND IF THOSE NUMBERS ARE GREATER THAN WHAT'S GRADUATING, IT'S GONNA GET FLOODED AGAIN.
UH, I WANT TO READ FROM A BOOK THE DOCTRINE OF THE LESSER MAGISTRATES AND IT TALKS ABOUT UNJUST LAW THAT IS LEGAL PLUNDER.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE LAW DID FOR 2003.
YOU HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO ANNEX BETHEL LAND AND CHANGE BETHEL TERRITORY AND CHANGE BETHEL SCHOOLS.
YOU HAVE THAT LEGAL RIGHT, BUT UNDER THE DOCTRINE OF THE LESSER MAGISTRATES, WHO IS GOING TO INTERPOSE FOR THE BETHEL PEOPLE.
AND THE POINT, WHATEVER THAT TAX WAS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE INCOME THAT IS FOR INCOME EARNERS.
MM-HMM
SO THEY'RE NOT PAYING THAT TAX.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU ADDED THAT OR JUST ADDED THAT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE WORKING FROM HUBER HEIGHTS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE, I THINK IT WAS 0.75, WHATEVER, NO, THAT THAT'S THE TAX RATE ON THE
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EARNED INCOME.I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT OVERALL DOLLAR AMOUNT IS.
SO MY CLARIFICATION WAS THE PROPERTY TAX, THE $83 MILLION THAT'S COMING IN FROM 2011 THROUGH 2034 IS OUTSIDE OF AND DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE INCOME TAX REGARDLESS OF WHO OR WHO DOESN'T PAY THAT.
AND REGARDING THE MIXED HOUSING, THE ONE PAPER SAID 1,480 HOMES.
FIVE HOMES AND IT SAID FIVE HOMES TO AN ACRE BASED ON WHAT'S COMING OUTTA CARRIAGE TRAIL.
ONE, THEY ARE TWO AND THREE KIDS A HOME.
THOSE NEW PLACES, UM, CARRIAGE TRAIL TWO, THEY WANT TO GO THERE BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF BETHEL SCHOOL, THE SMALLER SCHOOL.
SO IF THEY'RE HAVING TWO AND THREE KIDS, JUST SAY ONE, YOU'VE DOUBLED OUR SCHOOL, YOU'RE DOUBLE OUR SCHOOL.
AND EVEN IF IT'S OVER 20, 30 YEARS AND YOU ARE CORRECT, YOU DID NOT HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT SAYING ABOUT THE OWNERS AND THE DEVELOPER.
I WANT THE DEVELOPER TO GET AS MUCH MONEY AS HE CAN.
I WANT THE LANDOWNER TO GET AS MUCH MONEY HE CAN.
BUT BASED ON BETHEL STATS, NOT FIVE HOMES TO AN ACRE, THAT INCLUDES THE SIDEWALK, THE ROAD AND THE DRIVEWAY.
WE JOY THE QUIETNESS OF THE, IN THE PRIMARY DUTY OF A LESSER MAGISTRATE IS THREE.
FIRST TO OPPOSE AND RESIST ANY LAWS OR EDICTS OF HIGHER AUTHORITY THAT CAN, THAT CONTRAVENE THE LAW OF GOD OR THE LAW.
SECOND, THEY ARE THE PROTECTIVE PERSON.
LIBERTY AND PROPERTY OF THOSE WHO RESIDE WITHIN THAT JURISDICTION FROM ANY UNJUST, IMMORAL ACTIONS BY A HIGHER AUTHORITY.
THIRD, THEY'RE NOT TO IMPLEMENT ANY LAWS OR DECREES MADE BY THE HIGHER AUTHORITY THAT VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION AND IS NECESSARY.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT CAN OPPOSE THAT, THAT CAN INTERPOSE FOR US ARE CITY COUNCIL.
AND WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT SCHOOL, I'M PARAPHRASING LINCOLN NOW, PRESIDENT LINCOLN CARRIE'S TRIAL TWO AND CARRIE CHO ONE IS NOT HUBER AND IT'S NOT BETHEL CARRIE'S ONE AND TWO HAS A TIP CITY ADDRESS, BUT THEY'RE IN HUBER.
THEY HAVE A TIP CITY TELEPHONE NUMBER IF THEY HAVE A LANDLINE.
SO THESE KIDS WHO LIVE THERE ARE DIVIDED.
THEY'RE NOT HUBER, THEY'RE NOT BETHEL.
A HOUSE DIVIDED FALLS WHERE WILL BE THE LOYALTY FOR THE KIDS WHO GO TO SCHOOL WITH THEIR HUBER NEIGHBORS AND BETHEL.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING AND I'M ASKING THAT YOU NOT TO ANNEX FOR THOSE REASONS.
AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK AND I ALSO KNOW TO BE RESPECTFUL AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH, WITH TANYA WELLS.
SHE WAS VERY FACTUAL WITH A LOT OF HER INFORMATION.
'CAUSE I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE MATH THAT YOU GUYS ARE COMING UP WITH.
'CAUSE IF YOU'RE SAYING WE'VE GOT THAT MUCH MONEY, THEN I NEED TO GO BACK TO MY, UH, UH, TREASURER AND SAY, WHERE IN THE HELL DID YOU TAKE THE MONEY AND WHAT TRIPS DID YOU MAKE? BUT I'VE SEEN THE BOOKS AND THEY DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEIR MONEY'S GOING TO THEM.
SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING AND LETTING US BE HEARD.
SO, UH, AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS THE MONEY GOES, I MEAN THE MONEY IS ACCURATE.
THOSE MONIES COME, THOSE ESTIMATES, THOSE COME RIGHT OFF OF THE MIAMI COUNTY AUDITOR SITE.
WE KNOW THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE PROPERTY TAX HAS FUNDED AND PAID INTO THE BETHEL SCHOOLS.
THOSE AREN'T NOT, THOSE AREN'T OUR NUMBERS.
THOSE ARE MIAMI COUNTY NUMBERS BASED OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY TAX ROLLS.
BUT IT'S NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE COST.
I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING.
LAST YEAR THE NUMBER WAS 5.5 MILLION.
SO 5.5 MILLION WILL BE CONSTANT NOW BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THE PROPERTY TAX BASED ON THE BUILD OUT OF CARRIER SHELLS ONE.
SO FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, THAT'S 55 MILLION.
SO THE 28 MILLION THAT WE KNOW WE'VE CALCULATED FROM THE MIAMI COUNTY TAX RULES TO DATE, PLUS THE 55 MILLION MOVING FORWARD IS PLUS THE EXTRA MONEY FROM THE DIFFERENT TIFFS THAT ALSO FUND UP THERE.
IT'LL BE A TOTAL OF 83 MILLION BY THE END OF 2034.
I HAVE SEEN, I MEAN I UNDERSTAND.
YOU GAVE ME THE POINTS AND I UNDERSTAND I COULD DOUBLE CHECK, BUT TRANSPARENCY OF MANY ELECTED OFFICIALS, I WAS BURNED BY THE TWO, OUR 2003 LEVY BY MY OWN PEOPLE.
AND YOU'RE GIVING ME PROPOSALS.
MAYBES SHOULD BE NOTHING'S IN WRITING.
WELL, NO, WELL NOT I'LL GIVE YOU MINE.
THOSE, THOSE, THOSE TAX NUMBERS.
I'M, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M I'M PAST THE TAX MONEY BECAUSE OKAY, BUT, BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S REAL DOLLARS.
I MEAN, THOSE AREN'T MAYBES, THOSE ARE REAL DOLLARS.
WE KNOW BETHEL HAS RECEIVED 23 MILLION SINCE 2011,
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AND WE KNOW THEY RECEIVED FIVE AND A HALF MILLION LAST YEAR MULTIPLIED BY THE NEXT 10 YEARS THROUGH 2034.THAT'S $55 MILLION BETWEEN NOW AND 2034.
I WILL CHECK WITH OUR NEW TREASURER TO SEE WHAT SHE DID WITH THE MONEY.
I I, I HOPE THAT, I HOPE THAT YOU DO BECAUSE THOSE ARE REAL DOLLARS.
WELL, I WANNA KNOW WHAT SHE SPENT MONEY, I WANNA KNOW WHAT SHE SPENT THE MONEY ON FROM THE, FROM, FROM THE MIAMI ON MIAMI COUNTY, FROM THE MIAMI COUNTY TAX ROLL.
THEN AS FAR AS THE, THE HOUSE DIVIDED ISSUE THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME IN THIS ROOM, IF YOU'RE FROM HEBREW HEIGHTS, YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER, AND I THINK IT'S STILL THE CASE.
WE HAVE A CERTAIN PART OF THE CITY THAT ACTUALLY IS THE CITY OF DAYTON, BUT IT'S HUBER HEIGHTS CITY SCHOOLS.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE, WE, WE HAVE THAT SITUATION IN OUR OWN SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO DOWN OFF OF FOREST RIDGE AND THAT AREA IN QUAIL HOLLOW, THAT IS CITY OF DAYTON.
BUT THOSE KIDS ATTEND HUBER HEIGHTS CITY SCHOOLS.
THE REASON THAT THE TIP CITY ADDRESS, THAT'S JUST THE MAILING ADDRESS.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN CARE SHELLS ONE PAY THEIR WATER TO THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS.
THEY PAY THEIR INCOME TAX TO THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS.
THEY ATTEND BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS.
THE ONLY THING THAT THE PEOPLE IN CARE TRAILS CAN VOTE ON LEGISLATIVELY IS THE, THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS.
JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN DAYTON WHOSE KIDS ATTEND HUBER RIGHTS CITY SCHOOLS.
THEY CAN VOTE ON HUBER HEIGHTS, BOARD OF EDUCATION MEMBERS AND BOARD OF EDUCATION ISSUES WITHIN THE SCHOOLS.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY VOTING POWER OR LEGISLATIVE POWER ON ANYTHING ELSE IN HUMAN RIGHTS.
JUST THE SCHOOLS, IT'S THE SAME THING HERE.
IT'S A, IT'S A DAYTON ADDRESS, BUT THEIR KIDS COME TO HUMAN RIGHTS CITY SCHOOLS.
CITY MAILING ADDRESS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MIAMI COUNTY AND IT'S IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP, BUT IT'S STILL THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS.
THEY PAY CITY RIGHTS INCOME TAX, THEY PAY CITY OF TAX, THEY PAY THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS WATER.
THEY ARE HUBER HEIGHTS RESIDENTS.
SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT THOSE STUDENTS AND THOSE KIDS UP THERE, NO ONE SHOULD SAY TO ME THAT I DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE KIDS.
BECAUSE THOSE FAMILIES THAT LIVE IN CARE TRAILS ONE, THEY ARE OUR CONSTITUENTS.
THEY PAY TAXES TO HEBREW HEIGHTS.
THEY BUY THEIR WATER FROM HEBREW HEIGHTS.
THEY ARE OUR RESIDENTS AND WE WANNA DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE BEST EDUCATION THAT THEY CAN AS WELL.
SO WE DO CARE ABOUT THOSE KIDS.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS MODEL.
THE TIFF HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
THERE IS NO TIFF, WE HAVEN'T PROPOSED ANY KIND OF TIFF.
IN FACT, THE TIFF ACTUALLY GENERATES MORE REVENUE FOR THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY LEGISLATIVELY AND LEGALLY OFFER THE MONEY TO THE SCHOOLS IN THE FORM OF $20 MILLION OR MORE IF COUNCIL DECIDES.
SO YES, WE DO WANNA TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND BY PROVIDING MONEY FOR ANOTHER SCHOOL, IT WILL HELP FREE UP THE AMOUNT OF KIDS WHO ARE IN THE CURRENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT THE LEGISLATIVE BODY OF THE SCHOOL BOARD.
SO IF THE SCHOOL BOARD DECIDES AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS NOT THE RIGHT THING, BUT IT'S A MIDDLE SCHOOL OR HIGH SCHOOL, THAT'S UP TO THEM TO DETERMINE HOW TO SPEND THAT MONEY.
THAT'S NOT UP TO, THAT'S NOT UP TO HUMAN RIGHT.
I NEVER SAID YOU DIDN'T CARE ABOUT STUDENTS.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT WELL THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S BEEN STATED QUITE A BIT.
I DID NOT SAY MAYBE NOT BY YOU, BUT YES, QUITE OFTEN BY MANY PEOPLE I DID NOT SAY THAT TO YOU.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR LISTENING TO ME AND THANKS FOR HEARING ME OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
MAYOR, MAY I SAY YES, OF COURSE.
SO GROWING UP, SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS WENT TO PAROCHIAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THEY WENT TO PAROCHIAL HIGH SCHOOL AND SOME WENT FURTHER INTO DAYTON TO A DIFFERENT PAROCHIAL SCHOOL.
SOME WENT TO CARROLL, SOME WENT TO DAYTON CHRISTIAN, SOME WENT TO ALTAR.
SO IT'S, AND SOME WENT TO SHAMAN AND JULIANNE, IT'S OKAY THAT PEOPLE GO TO DIFFERENT PLACES.
I DON'T, I UNDERSTAND LIKE BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, IT DIDN'T MATTER MY NEIGHBOR TO FOUR HOUSES DOWN, WHICH ARE PAROCHIAL SCHOOL, THAT THEY, IT'S OKAY THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS IN A SUBDIVISION GO TO A DIFFERENT PLACE FOR SCHOOL.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, OH, THANK YOU.
DID YOU WANT THIS MONEY? THAT SHOWS THE MONEY ABOUT THE SURE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW I GET TO IT.
I MIGHT JUST, JUST TO ADD ONE THING, UM, AND, AND THE MAYOR WENT OVER THE NU THE, THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT, UH, BETHEL HAS TO GAIN FROM, UM, ANNEXATION, IF THAT DOES HAPPEN.
UM, IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS A, A STATE SHARE OF INSTRUCTION THAT IS PAID TO THE SKI CITY SCHOOL DISTRICTS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT ATTEND THAT SCHOOLS AND THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND, AND NONE OF THOSE NUMBERS THAT THE MAYOR GAVE INCLUDE THAT NUMBER.
AND THAT IS LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER STUDENT TO GO TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE MONEY THAT COMES IN FROM THE BUILDING, THE SCHOOL, UM, AND, UH, AND WHATEVER THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET FROM TAXES OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, UM, THE STATE IS ALSO KICKING IN, UM, SOME MONEY FOR STUDENTS.
AND I, AND I WAS, I'M, I WAS ALMOST PREPARED TO GET PUT A NUMBER ON IT, BUT I WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK, UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S $8,000, BUT IN SOME INSTANCES IT GOES UP TO NINE DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL THAT THE SCHOOL IS IN IT'S FORMULA.
AND IT'S BASED ON, IT'S, IT'S ON, BASED ON A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY.
SO NONE OF WHAT WE INCLUDED HERE, OR THAT THE, THE, THE CITY STAFF HAS INCLUDED IN THAT PROPOSAL IS, UM, COUNTS THAT THOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO GO TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL.
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THE NUMBER THAT YOU MENTIONED AT 83 80 3 MILLION? YES.IS THAT FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS CURRENTLY? OR IS THAT NUMBERS THAT'LL BE GENERATED IN THE FUTURE BY THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT? NO, THAT, THAT $83 MILLION IS JUST FROM CARRIAGE TRAILS.
ONE THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE, UM, THE PROPOSED HOUSES, THE, THE PROPOSED 1480 HOUSES.
SO CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE HAS BEEN, UM, LIKE I SAID, 2020 8 MILLION FROM 2011 TO NOW, AND AN ADDITIONAL 55 MILLION FROM NOW TO 2034.
PLUS THERE'S SOME EXTRA REVENUES, UH, THAT, THAT JIM HAD TALKED ABOUT.
SO THE TOTAL WOULD BE ABOUT 80, ABOUT 83 MILLION BY THE END OF 2034.
AND THE, THE LADY JUST TALKED ABOUT THE MONEY AND, AND IF THEY HAD MADE THIS KIND OF MONEY, WHERE IS IT RIGHT IN YOUR RESEARCH, DID YOU SEE A, A BALANCE IN THE, UH, BETHEL SCHOOL DISTRICT? SO I, I DID REVIEW THEIR FIVE YEAR FORECAST.
I DIDN'T SEE THE TOTAL NUMBER.
I KNOW THE LAST FIVE YEAR FORECAST I LOOKED AT WAS FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
AND THAT NUMBER, THEY HAD SPECIFIC TIF REVENUE.
THERE WAS ABOUT FOUR POINT, ABOUT 4.3, 4.4 MILLION.
AND THEN LAST YEAR IT WENT FROM 4.3 UP TO 5.5.
BUT I, I DIDN'T SEE WHAT THEIR OVERALL CASH CARRY WAS IN TERMS OF THEIR CASH BALANCE IN THE BANK.
COULD I ASK AARON A COUPLE QUESTIONS? SURE, PLEASE.
UH, DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT CASH BALANCE SO WE COULD ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF THIS MONEY THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT? I DID NOT.
BUT I CAN, COULD YOU DO THAT FOR US? YEAH.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATES BASED ON, UH, THE MODEL THAT YOU AND BRIAN PUT TOGETHER FOR THE DUE DILIGENCE, UH, IN REGARD TO HOW MUCH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD GENERATE OVER THE PERIOD OF, UM, THE 30 YEAR PERIOD JUST FOR BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS? UH, WE ESTIMATE JUST SHY OF $130 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS.
SO 130 MILLION PLUS THE 20 MILLION FROM THE, FROM THE CITY WOULD BE ABOUT $150 MILLION PLUS STATE INSTRUCTIONAL MONEY PER STUDENT.
UM, AND I BELIEVE BETHEL'S LATEST NUMBERS, THEIR COST TO EDUCATE A STUDENT IS ABOUT $9,700 PER STUDENT.
THAT'S THE NUMBERS BASED OFF OF, UH, PULLED FROM THEIR WEBSITE.
SO BETHEL SPENDS ABOUT $9,700 PER STUDENT, AND THEY GET PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE TO $8,000 FROM THE STATE AND THE FEDS PLUS THE 130 MILLION PLUS THE 20 MILLION PLUS THE INCOME TAX.
DO YOU HAVE A VESSEL BOARD MEMBER HERE THAT COULD TWO TALK? THIS IS A, YEAH.
SO, WELL, SO DID, DID YOU REGISTER TO SPEAK? I DID.
IF SHE'S A BOARD MEMBER AND SHE'S REGISTERED, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? REAGAN BUTLER.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS, UH, LITTLE QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION FOR US.
AND I WAS JUST DOING A FEW LITTLE, UM, CALCULATIONS.
I'M NOT A SCHOOL TREASURER, BUT YOU MENTIONED THE NUMBER, WAS IT 22 MILLION FROM 2011 UNTIL THE CURRENT DATE? IF YOU DIVIDE THAT OUT OVER 13 YEARS, THAT'S 1.69 MILLION.
THAT'S LIKE $1.7 MILLION A YEAR.
IT'S KIND OF CHU CHANGE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SCHOOL DISTRICT BUDGET.
OUR, JUST ALONE, OUR, UH, STAFFING, IT'S RIGHT AROUND 9.5 MILLION AND WE JUST PUT ON $2.2 MILLION WORTH OF NEW EMPLOYEES.
AND THAT'S BEFORE WE HAVE MORE THAT WE ARE GOING TO, UH, PUT ON BOARD MAYBE THIS WEEK, MAYBE MAYBE NEXT WEEK.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS YOU'RE THROWING AROUND NUMBERS AND YOU'RE THROWING AROUND, WE CAN GET YOU MONEY, BUT MONEY ISN'T WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
AND YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS I DO ABOUT THE STATE'S MODEL ON HOW YOU BUILD A SCHOOL, YOU CAN'T BUILD A SCHOOL BASED ON PROJECTED NUMBERS.
THE STATE GIVES YOU MONEY BASED ON THE NUMBER OF KIDS YOU HAVE IN SEATS.
SO WE HAVE TO EDUCATE THESE CHILDREN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS UNTIL WE GET TO A POPULATION NUMBER THAT MAKES SENSE TO START DISCUSSING A NEW SCHOOL.
OTHERWISE, WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER SCHOOL THAT'S FULL BY THE TIME IT'S, IT'S CONSTRUCTED.
SO THAT MEANS, I HOPE EVERYBODY'S LISTENING.
ANYONE WHO'S MOVING INTO CARRIAGE TRAIL TWO OR THE ACRES IS THAT YOUR CHILDREN WILL BE EDUCATED IN TRAILERS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS
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BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A SCHOOL THAT'S GOING TO BE OVERCROWDED AS SOON AS WE CUT THE RIBBON.SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THIS, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WE NEVER KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS, BECAUSE THIS IS THE MONEY MAKER FOR HUBER HEIGHTS, AND IT'S GONNA BRING YOU NUMBERS SO THAT YOU HIT YOUR 50,000 PEOPLE POPULATION MARKS.
SO YOU CAN HAVE THOSE BENEFITS.
AND I GET THAT YOU'RE SITTING IN THOSE SEATS TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF PLANS.
BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO ANSWER TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, WHO EXPECT TO HAVE THEIR TAX DOLLARS USED WISELY AND USED FOR THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF AT ANY TIME OUR POLITICIANS IN COLUMBUS WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, YES, THIS IS A GOOD THING, OR NO, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS, BUT INSTEAD WE'RE BEING BULLIED INTO DIS BULLIED INTO THIS, THAT YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THIS 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THIS, BUT IN THE END, WE'RE GONNA PAY THE BILLS FOR ALL THIS.
WE'RE GONNA PAY THE BILLS BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE PAID UP FRONT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GIVE US $135 MILLION, MR. GORE, RIGHT UP FRONT.
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU ALLUDE TO.
I NEVER READ, I NEVER SAID THAT'S TO THAT'S GOING TO BUILD.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, BETWEEN THE FIRST HOUSE GETTING DONE AND THE 130 MILLION, SOMEBODY HAS TO TAKE CARE OF THE ROADS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND OF THE KIDS AND
AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE HAD YOUR MEETINGS, YOU'VE HAD YOUR DISCUSSIONS.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXTRAPOLATE THE NUMBER OF HEADS IN THIS ROOM TO ADD, DOES EVERYBODY REPRESENT 25, 50, A HUNDRED PEOPLE WHO FEEL THE SAME WAY, BUT COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT? BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU'RE GONNA GO VOTE AND KNOW THAT THERE, THAT THIS DIALOGUE IS NOT REALLY A DIALOGUE.
THAT THE DUE DILIGENCE IS TELLING YOU WHAT A GOOD DEAL IT IS FOR YOU GUYS TO GO AHEAD AND DO THIS.
BECAUSE IF WE WANTED TO LIVE IN AN URBAN AREA, SUBURBAN AREA, WE WOULD'VE LIVED IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
BUT WE WANTED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT LIFESTYLE.
AND AS YOU CHEW UP THE BEAUTIFUL, THE BEAUTIFUL LAND, KNOCK DOWN MATURE TREES, CHURN UP THE, TURN UP THE GREEN GRASS AND BRING IN MILES OF ROADS AND CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT, IT IS WHAT WE CALL PROGRESS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S PROGRESS WHEN WE CAN'T TREAT OUR INDIVIDUAL, WHEN WE CAN'T TREAT OUR NEIGHBORS, HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED.
I WOULDN'T WANNA WAKE UP ONE MORNING AND HAVE MY NEIGHBOR PUT A MOTOCROSS COURSE IN THE BACK, MY BACK FIELD BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE THE WAY I MANAGE MY FIELD.
THAT WOULD MAKE ME VERY UPSET.
AND I THINK WE FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT THIS SITUATION.
AND MR. CRISPEN AND MR. FES ARE NOT THE SAME INDIVIDUAL, AND THEY'RE BOTH GONE.
AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER SUPERINTENDENT, THE AVERAGE STAY IN THE STATE OF OHIO'S 2.7 YEARS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY FILTER OUT ANY FASTER THAN ANYWHERE ELSE.
AND WE'LL WORK WITH THIS, BUT JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EDUCATE THOSE KIDS REGARDLESS.
AND IT'S, WE'RE NOT GETTING AN INSTANTANEOUS SCHOOL, AS YOU POINTED OUT.
NEXT UP WE HAVE THOMAS DILLINGHAM.
MY NAME'S THOMAS DILLINGHAM, 8 7 3 7 DEER CHASE.
AND, UH, THIS IS PROBABLY ABOUT TO GO OVER ABOUT AS GOOD AS A FART AND A WARM AND A CROWDED ELEVATOR.
DEAR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, I HOPE THIS FINDS YOU WELL.
RECENT DISCUSSIONS HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD CONCERNS REGARDING THIS DISCRIMINATORY ANNEXATION, LAND DEEMED CARE TRAILS TWO, AND ITS IMPLICATIONS.
I'M SPEAKING TO PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE UNDERSTANDING OF ANNEXATION TO EXPLAIN WHY IT IS NOT TO BE EQUATED WITH DISCRIMINATION.
FIRST, WE MUST START WITH THE FACTS BEFORE WE ALLOW OUR FEELINGS TO GET IN THE WAY.
MOST OF US UNDERSTAND THE COMMON DEFINITION OF ANNEXATION AND THE LEGAL PROCESS IN WHICH A, IN WHICH THE GUIDELINES HAVE BEEN SET FORTH BY THE STATE OF OHIO.
SO THERE'S NO NEED TO REHASH THAT ARGUMENT.
WE ALL SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT HIS PRO, THAT THIS PROCESS, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, WAS NOT STARTED BY HEBREW HEIGHTS OR ITS COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT REQUESTED BY THE DEVELOPER.
IT IS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FIRST ANNEXATION, MIND YOU, I'M NOT FROM HERE.
I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS.
SO IT IS MY, IT IS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING
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THAT THE FIRST ANNEXATION PROCESS FOR CARES TRAILS DID NOT GO AS EXACTLY AS PLANNED.AND THAT THE ANNEXATION PROCESS LEFT A LOT OF LONGTIME BETHEL AND HUBER HEIGHTS REST RESIDENTS SKEPTICAL OF FU OF FUTURE EXPANSION.
AND THAT'S PUTTING IT LIGHTLY.
IT IS MY BELIEF, ME THAT THIS CURRENT COUNCIL HAS A VISION TO LEAD HUBBERT TO A BETTER FUTURE THAT WOULD ALLOW OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS TO PROVIDE A THRIVING COMMUNITY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
NOW, TO THE REASON WHY I'M ADDRESSING YOU ALL, BEFORE I DO THAT, YOU MUST UNDERSTAND MY PERSPECTIVE.
I WILL NOT GO INTO THE FEW FULL HISTORY OF THE TOWN I GREW UP IN, BUT JUST 50 MILES SOUTH OF HUBBERT HEIGHTS IS THE FIRST, SORRY, JUST 50 MILES SOUTH OF HUBBERT HEIGHTS OUTSIDE OF CINCINNATI, OHIO SITS THE COUNTRY'S FIRST ALL BLACK SELF-GOVERNED TOWN NORTH OF THE MASON DIXON LINE GOES BY THE NAME OF LINCOLN HEIGHTS, OHIO, AND SITS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM GE AVIATION IN EVENDALE, OHIO.
AGAIN, WITHOUT DIGRESSING INTO A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION ABOUT, SORRY ABOUT LINCOLN HEIGHTS, IT WAS DENIED THE OPPORTUNITY INCORPORATE TO INCORPORATE BY HAMILTON COUNTY AND THE STATE OF OHIO USING DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES.
IT LEFT LINCOLN HEIGHTS A SHELL OF ITSELF, GOING FROM BEING A COMMUNITY OVER SIX SQUARE MILES DOWN TO LESS THAN A SQUARE MILE BIG TO WATCH THE CITIES AND VILLAGES AROUND IT THRIVE WHILE THEY'VE BARELY BEEN TREADING WATER FOR DECADES.
SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS AS IT PERTAINS TO THE MISUSE OF ANNEXATION, BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
IT'S CRUCIAL TO DIFFERENTIATE THE ANNEXATION, DIFFERENTIATE ANNEXATION AND DISCRIMINATION.
DISCRIMINATION INVOLVES UNJUST AND PRE PREJUDICIAL TREATMENT OF INDIVIDUALS BASED ON CHARACTERISTICS SUCH AS RACE, GENDER, AGE, AND SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS.
IT IS A MORAL AND LEGAL VIOLATION THAT UNDER UNDERMINES THE PRINCIPLES AND EQUALITY OF EQUALITY AND JUSTICE.
ANNEXATION, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS A STRATEGIC ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION THAT AIMS TO ENHANCE THE WELLBEING OF A BROADER COMMUNITY.
LET'S BE HONEST, TO SUGGEST THAT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND, AND HEBREW RIGHTS ARE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THAT AREA IS DISINGENUOUS AND FALLS ON THE LINES OF ABSOLUTE ABSURDITY.
IN MY OPINION, THIS HAS MORE TO DO ABOUT A PERCEIVED THREAT TO A TRADITION IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP LIKE THE I 70 I 75 INTERCHANGE.
WE SIT AT A CROSSROADS OF TRADITION IN PROGRESS.
IT IS HA IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED BY MANY ON, IN MANY ONLINE FORMS THAT ADDING THE MUCH NEEDED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND OTHER HOUSING TYPES WILL BRING AN UNWANTED POPULATION TO A TRADITIONAL RURAL AREA, SUGGESTING THAT ANY NEW PEOPLE WOULD BE HARMFUL TO THEIR WAY OF LIFE.
IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE THAT THE CONCERNS MAY ARISE WHENEVER SIGNIFICANT CHANGES ARE PROPOSED, HOWEVER, IT IS, IS ESSENTIAL TO ASSESS THE CHANGES BASED ON FACTS AND THEIR BROADER IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
ANNEXATION CARRIED OUT WHEN CARRIED OUT WITH TRANSPARENCY AND INCLUSIVITY IS A TOOL FOR PROGRESS AND UNITY, NOT A MECHANISM OF DISCRIMINATION.
LIKE LOTS OF CITIES AND TOWNS IN THIS COUNTRY, DEMOGRAPHICS ARE CHANGING, ADAPTING TO NEW DEMOGRAPHICS AND CULTURES IS LIKE BEING A VINYL RECORD.
IN A DIGITAL AGE, YOU CAN CLING TO YOUR GROOVES AND SCRATCHES CLAIMING NOSTALGIA, BUT IF YOU REFUSE TO EVOLVE, YOU'LL END UP GATHERING DUST WHILE EVERYONE ELSE MOVES TO PLAYLISTS AND PODCASTS.
CHANGE IS INEVITABLE, AND THOSE, AND THOSE WHO CAN'T ADAPT WILL FIND THEMSELVES OBSOLETE AND FORGOTTEN.
I'M NOT SAYING WE ABANDON ALL TRADITION, BUT THE ONLY WAY WE MOVE FORWARD IS TO HONOR TRADITION, EMBRACE PROGRESS, AND MAKE REASONABLE COMPROMISES TO ENSURE WE ARE DOING THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE.
FOR WE ARE PLANTING SEEDS FOR TREES, WHICH WE WILL NEVER SEE THE SHADE LET US ENGAGE UPON AND OPEN CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS AND WORK TOGETHER FOR OUR FUTURE WHERE OUR COMMUNITIES STRIVE COLLECTIVELY.
BY UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF ANNEX ANNEXATION, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A SHARED VISION OF GROWTH AND INCLUSIVITY.
UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE JEFF MORFORD.
GOOD EVENING, JEFF MORFORD, BETHEL TOWNSHIP, MIAMI COUNTY.
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I REALIZE IT'S GONNA BE A QUESTION AND ANSWER THING, SO I'M GONNA JUST BOUNCE AROUND SOME COMMENTS, IF I MAY.UH, TREES WERE MENTIONED, MADE A LITTLE NOTE, AND IT'S KIND OF AMAZING THAT, UH, THERE WAS ALWAYS A BIG TO DO IN THIS OFFICE HERE ABOUT THE TREES AND ARBOR DAY AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND YET, HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF TREES WERE LOST WITH A THOUSAND ACRES? AND THEN NOW 300 MORE ACRES MIGHT NOT BE SPECIFICALLY TREES, BUT GREEN THINGS THAT GROW AND, UH, PRODUCE OXYGEN AND KEEP THERE ARE AIR CONDITIONING TO KEEP, UH, KEEP THINGS COOL.
OBVIOUSLY, ALL THE ROADS GOING IN, ALL THE ROOF LINES, ALL THE STREETS.
EXCUSE ME, I SAID THAT ALREADY.
UH, ALL THAT'S HEAT SINK AND IT PRODUCES HEAT.
UH, JUST A NOTE ON THE, UH, THE, ALL THIS, UH, TALK ABOUT ALL THIS MONEY.
IT'S A HUGE NUMBER OUTTA MY, UH, COMPREHENSION TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, BUT IT'S MEANT TO, UH, IMPRESS US AND MAYBE EVEN MAKE US THINK IT'S, WE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR IT.
I'LL VENTURE TO SAY, IF YOU ASK THE, UH, 4,000 RESIDENTS IN BETHEL, HOW ABOUT IF WE TAKE AWAY THE SCHOOL? HOW ABOUT IF WE CANCEL ALL THAT MONEY AND JUST GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS? I'LL BET YOU GET 90% OF, OF BETHEL RESIDENTS SAYING, WE DON'T NEED, WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THE MONEY, WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THE PROBLEMS. UH, QUICK THING, WELL, TO THE NEXT PAGE, IF I MAY HOPE I DON'T BANG THE MIC.
THERE, THERE WAS, UH, OH, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL READ MY, MY STATEMENT, THEN I'LL GO TO A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.
I'VE HEARD NUMEROUS TIMES THAT LANDOWNERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WITH HIS PROPERTY AS HE WISHES.
THAT IS A NOBLE AND RIGHTEOUS STATEMENT, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S JUST NOT TRUE.
IF IT WERE TRUE, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR ZONING REGULATIONS.
THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR PERMITS, NO NEED FOR BUILDING REGULATIONS, NO NEED FOR INSPECTORS, NO NEED FOR BUSINESS LICENSES.
I SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT I WANT.
I COULD BUILD A HOUSE AS I SAW FIT WITHOUT THE SKILLS NEEDED, WITHOUT GETTING THE PERMITS, WITHOUT FOLLOWING REGULATIONS OR ZONING, POTENTIALLY CREATING AN UNSAFE BUILDING FOR MYSELF AND POSSIBLY CAUSING A DANGER TO THE COMMUNITY.
ALSO NOT COMPLYING WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY DEEMS AN APPROPRIATE STYLE.
SO FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, I HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
THE COMMUNITY'S RIGHTS OVERRIDE MY RIGHTS AS AN INDIVIDUAL, AND I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO AS I PLEASE WITH A, AS A PROPERTY OWNER.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE ON MY PROPERTY, I WANNA START A BUSINESS.
BURNING TIRES, CHARGING $10 FOR DISPOSAL FEE, BUT TIRE BURNING WOULD BE DANGEROUS, HARMFUL AND POLLUTING.
SO IN THE BREATH, INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, I WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO BURN TIRES AGAIN.
THE COMMUNITY'S RIGHTS OVERRIDE MY INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, AND I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO AS I PLEASE WITH MY PROPERTY.
THEN TO THE SUBJECT OF EMINENT DOMAIN, THE PROCESS OF ACQUIRING PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC USE LIKE RHODES HOSPITAL SCHOOLS.
IN THIS CASE, A LANDOWNER WILL BE FORCED TO SELL HIS LAND, EVEN THOUGH HE MIGHT NOT WANT TO SELL HIS LAND, BUT FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.
IN THE END, HIS PROPERTY WILL BE GONE AGAIN.
THE COMMUNITY'S RIGHTS OVERRIDE THE RIGHTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL, AND HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO AS HE PLEASES WITH HIS PROPERTY.
AND IN THE END, THE STATEMENT, A PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WITH HIS PROPERTY AS HE WANTS, JUST DOESN'T HOLD WATER.
THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY'S RIGHTS HOLD A HIGHER REGARD AS IT RELATES TO ANNEXATION.
ACROSS COUNTY LINES, ACROSS TOWNSHIP LINES.
BETHEL TOWNSHIP HAS ESTABLISHED RULES, REGULATIONS, AND ZONING TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND MOVING IN THE DIRECTION AND AT A PACE THAT IS RIGHT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO OVERRIDE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS' RIGHTS WHEN IT VIOLATES ESTABLISHED RULES AND REGULATIONS BY NOT ALLOWING ANNEXATIONS, WHICH WILL ALLOW ZONING CHANGES IN THE BUILDING OF HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS AGAINST OUR ZONING LAND, STILL LOCATED IN OUR COUNTY LAND, STILL LOCATED IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, YET WE HAVE LOST GOVERNING.
AND YOU KNOW IT AS THIS EVIDENT WITH THE THEN WAYNE TOWNSHIP DEALINGS WITH DAYTON 40 YEARS AGO.
IF YOU VOTE YES, YOUR ETHICS AND AGENDA ARE NO MORE ACCEPTABLE THAN THE DAYTON TAKEOVER BID.
SO IN THE END, THE COMMUNITY'S RIGHTS SHOULD TAKE PRECEDENT OVER THE
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INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHTS.AND UNLESS THE COMMUNITY IS IN AGREEANCE WITH THE LANDOWNER AND SHARE THE SAME GOALS, THE ANNEXATION SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
AND PLEASE BELIEVE ME, THE CITIZENS BETHEL ARE AGAINST MORE ANNEXATIONS.
THE THREE BETHLE TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES ARE AGAINST MORE ANNEXATIONS.
THE THREE MIAMI COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE AGAINST MORE ANNEXATIONS.
THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THE CURRENT ANNEXATION LAWS ARE DISCRIMINATORY AND VIOLATE OUR CIVIL RIGHTS.
THE LAW ALLOWS YOUR COUNSEL THE RIGHT TO LOOK AT THE PROS AND CONS OF AN ANNEXATION REQUEST, DETERMINE IF IT IS GOOD OR BAD FOR YOUR COMMUNITY, AND DECIDE IF YOUR COMMUNITY EVEN WANTS TO TAKE ON THE CHALLENGES OF EXPANDING.
YET, OUR COMMUNITY HAS NO RIGHT TO VOTE.
WHY DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE ON WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR COMMUNITY? YET WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO VOTE ON WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IT SEEMS UN-AMERICAN AND AGAINST THE IDEA OF A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.
UH, TWO YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE YOUR COUNCIL WAS UNAWARE OF THE PROBLEMS. BETHEL TOWNSHIP AND BETHEL SCHOOLS WERE DEALING WITH PROBLEMS CREATED BY PAST HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL, VOTING YES TO PAST ANNEXATIONS OF OVER 1000 ACRES IN THE BUILDING OF HIGH DENSITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS WITH THE STUDENTS GOING TO BETHEL, NOT HUBER HEIGHTS.
NOW YOU HAVE COME TO REALIZE THE PROBLEMS ARE REAL AND SUBSTANTIAL.
TO THE POINT THAT THE MAYOR EARLY THIS LAST WEEK'S MEETING, LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPER HAD SOLUTIONS.
I BELIEVE YOU ARE FEELING GUILTY, REMO REMORSEFUL AND TRYING TO RIGHT OR WRONG, ALLOWING YOU TO RATIONALIZE THE YES VOTE SO YOU CAN EASE YOUR CONSCIOUS AND SLEEP AT NIGHT.
IF THERE IS NO PROBLEMS, IF IT WERE NOT FOR PAST ANNEXATIONS, NOT SUPPORTED OR PROMOTED BY BETHEL TOWNSHIP CITIZENS, THESE PROBLEMS WOULD NOT EXIST AND SOLUTIONS WOULD NOT BE NEEDED.
WE CANNOT TURN BACK THE CLOCK, BUT WE CAN LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES.
PLEASE VOTE NO TO THIS ANNEXATION REQUEST, IF NOT 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW.
MORE SOLUTIONS WILL BE NEEDED.
PLEASE TAKE CARE OF YOUR COMMUNITY AND LET US TAKE CARE OF OURS.
ANOTHER FACT I GOT OFF OF A WEBSITE WAS THE LATEST CENSUS OF AGRICULTURAL OHIO LOST 300,000 ACRES OF FARMLAND BETWEEN 2017 AND 2022.
UH, I WANNA MAKE A LITTLE COMMENT BACK UP A LITTLE BIT TO THE DISCRIMINATION.
THE CORE BASIS OF A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY IS THAT WE ALL CAN VOTE ON WHAT AFFECTS US, WHAT AFFECTS OUR FAMILY, WHAT AFFECTS OUR PERSONAL LIVES.
WE ALL DESERVE THAT, RIGHT? AND PRIVILEGE.
AND WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO VOTE, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'S DISCRIMINATORY.
IF YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE ON IT, I SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE ON IT.
I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THE GOLDEN RULE, AS ALWAYS, DO YOU UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.
UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE EXCEPTION TO MR. MORFORD.
SORRY, I JUST, I I'M TAKING EXCEPTION TO SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID, BUT I'M ALSO, UM, WANT TO ADDRESS JULIE, DONNA, AND SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, WOMEN THAT HAVE SPOKEN.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF OHIO, WE DIDN'T MAKE 'EM, I NEVER SAID YOU DID.
WE CAN'T CHANGE THEM, BUT THE RIGHT FOR A PERSON TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY IS THEIR RIGHT.
AND NOBODY CAN TAKE THAT AWAY.
WE DID NOT PLUNDER THAT PROPERTY.
THOSE PEOPLE WANTED TO SELL IT.
BETHEL TOWNSHIP COULD HAVE BOUGHT IT.
WHAT HAS BEEN, WHAT HAS, AND ONE OTHER POINT BEFORE I GO BACK IS THERE'S A MIS NO, A MISUNDERSTANDING HERE THAT WE ARE FORGING AHEAD TO REACH 50,000 CITIZENS.
WHAT WE ARE WORKING TOWARD AND HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARD IS TO PROVIDE AMENITIES THAT OUR CITIZENS WANT.
THEY WANT AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
THEY WANT MORE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS.
THEY WANT BETTER PARKS, BETTER FACILITIES.
THAT IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARD.
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AND WE KNOW THAT IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ROOFTOPS.WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PROFESSIONALS COMING IN THE AREA.
THEY DON'T WANT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
THEY DON'T WANT THE MAINTENANCE.
WE ARE TRYING TO MEET THAT DEMAND.
SO I, I THINK THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING HERE ON, ON EXACTLY WHAT OUR OBJECTIVES HAVE BEEN.
AND, AND THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS THIS, ANNEXATION HAS GONE BACK TO THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
EXCUSE ME, I'M GETTING OVER SINUS.
WHAT HAS BETHEL DONE? WHAT HAS BETHEL TOWNSHIP DONE IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTIES, EITHER FROM AN ANNEXATION OR AS YOU CALL IT, A TAKEOVER? UH, WE'VE HEARD NOTHING IN ALL THE TIMES THAT YOUR, YOUR GOOD CITIZENS HAVE COME AND SPOKEN IN FRONT OF US, UH, AS TO WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO PREVENT THIS FROM EVER HAPPENING.
UH, THREE, THREE COMMENTS THERE.
I THINK YOU'RE AWARE THAT, UH, BETHEL HAS SPENT A MILLION BUCKS ON BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY, SORT OF NORTH OF THE HORSE PARK, I CALL IT, AND IT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE PARK.
AND THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY MEANT AS A BLOCKADE AGAINST ANY ANNEXATION GOING THAT WAY.
AND FOR 4,000 RESIDENTS THAT HAVE MANY OBJECTIVES THEMSELVES TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY.
I MEAN, THAT'S POCKET CHANGE FOR YOU GUYS.
THAT MONEY IS IN YOUR COUCHES AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
I NEED TO GO HOME AND FIND IT.
WELL, I'M TALKING NOT YOU PERSONALLY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT AS THE MONEY IN YOUR GROUP HERE AS YOUR CITY, YOUR TAXES.
BUT IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY FOR 4,000 RESIDENTS TO COME UP WITH TO PURCHASE THE PEACE PARK THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO USE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN IT'S GONNA BE A PARK DISTRICT.
IT WAS MEANT FOR A BUFFER, UH, TO THE, UH, THINGS THAT YOU WANT.
YOUR, THAT YOUR COMMUNITY'S LOOKING FOR IMPROVEMENTS.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOUR IMPROVEMENTS AS LONG AS YOUR IMPROVEMENTS COME THROUGH YOUR MERIT.
DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR, OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE YOUR COMMUNITY BETTER.
WE'RE A SMALL RURAL COMMUNITY.
YOU, YOU'VE GOT MANY OTHER ASPECTS AND DIRECTIONS YOU CAN GO AND TO THE THING OF, UH, IT'S THE GENTLEMAN WANT THE LANDOWNER.
I WON'T SAY WHO HE IS OR ANYTHING, BUT IF THE LANDOWNER WANTS TO SELL THE HOUSE, HE HAS THAT RIGHT? HE HAS THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP IT UNDER OUR CIRCUMSTANCES, UNDER OUR ZONING, UNDER OUR, OUR REGULATIONS.
HE DIDN'T HAVE TO COME TO YOU TRYING TO GET YOUR REGULATIONS.
AND I'M SAYING, AS I POINTED OUT, THREE DIFFERENT THINGS.
NOT ALWAYS DOES THE LANDOWNER HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO, ALWAYS WITH WHAT HE WAS LOOKING AT PUBLIC DOMAIN, LOOKING AT.
I GAVE YOU THE EXAMPLE THAT I WANNA BURN TIRES.
I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
IF IT'S BAD FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY HAS MORE RIGHTS AS A CUMULATIVE GROUP HAS MORE RIGHTS THAN I HAVE AND THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I, I, I, AGAIN, DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT, THAT, THAT HE HAS TO SELL HIS PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT YOU THINK OR HIS RIGHTS.
WHAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT OUR ZONING IS.
I'M WRITING THAT HIS OWNING DON'T PRESENT, PREVENT HIM FROM SELLING IT TO ANYBODY THAT THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT HE, WHOEVER HE SELLS IT TO WILL HAVE TO GO BY THE ORDINANCES.
JUST LIKE YOUR COMMUNITY, IF I BUY THAT, HE'S PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.
I WOULD, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO YOU BEFORE.
I, I WANNA PUT A GENTLEMAN'S CLUB HERE.
BUT I MENTIONED THAT AS A, AS A COMMENT THAT IF I WANNA PUT THAT IN HERE, IT'S NOT WHAT YOUR COMMUNITY WANTS.
YOUR MORAL STANDARDS SAY, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT FOR OUR PEOPLE.
AND SO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY, NO, THANK YOU.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE REALLY WANT FOR OUR PEOPLE.
SO WE ARE DOING THE SAME THING YOU ARE.
WE DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT THAT WE HAVE AN URBAN SOCIETY IN OUR RURAL COMMUNITY.
WE'RE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CHOICE.
WE MOVE THERE, WE PAY THE TAXES THERE.
WE, WE AS TAXPAYERS, WE HAVE THE SAME, RIGHT? EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE.
AND THERE'S BEEN A COMMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA FALL BEHIND AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WELL, GUESS WHAT? IT'S OUR TAXES.
WE HAVE THAT RIGHT TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.
IF IT'S A BAD CHOICE, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE LIVE WITH THAT CHOICE.
ANYTHING ELSE I CAN I HELP YOU WITH? THANK YOU.
MR. MORFORD, CAN I, I WANNA ASK YOU A
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QUESTION.AND, AND THANK YOU FOR APPEARING HERE TONIGHT.
BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND, AND HOPE I HAVE AN ANSWER.
AND I MENTIONED THIS, UH, SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PRIVATE CONVERSATION BETWEEN YOU AND ME.
AND, UM, IT'S RELATED TO CIVIL RIGHTS.
AND, AND, AND THIS IS ABOUT THE FOURTH TIME THAT SOMEONE HAS COME TO THIS PARTICULAR PODIUM AND INVOKED CIVIL RIGHTS, OR WE ARE VIOLATING THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM, BEING, POTENTIALLY BEING ANNEXED THROUGH THIS, UH, THIS PROCESS.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, UH, AND, AND I'VE GONE BACK AND READ LEGISLATION AGAIN.
UH, THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 18 66, 74, AND A FEW OTHER ONES, UH, BASED ON PARTICULARLY, UH, THE FIRST CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1866, ESTABLISHED SOLELY BECAUSE OF AFRICAN AMERICANS BEING LYNCHED IN THE UNITED STATES.
OKAY? UM, SEVERAL OF THOSE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT BEING ENACTED BECAUSE OF, UM, I THINK IT WAS A PROTECTED ACT AGAINST VETERANS, AND SPECIFICALLY VIETNAM VETERANS AT THE TIME.
AND ANOTHER CIVIL RIGHTS ACT BECAUSE OF RACE, THINGS OF COLOR, THINGS THAT CAN'T BE CHANGED, SEX SEXUAL ORIENTATION, WHETHER A PERSON OR, UH, WHETHER A WOMAN CAN DO THIS OR THAT, OR VOTED IN THE SUFFRAGE MOVEMENTS AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT ARE ENCOMPASSED IN CIVIL RIGHTS.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU, SIR, IS SIMPLY THIS, WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF CIVIL RIGHTS? I DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME.
AND I, I, I, I READ THAT TO YOU, THAT IT GOT OFF OF W WIKIPEDIA OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.
BUT WE, THE CORE THING I LOOK AT WHEN I SAY CIVIL RIGHTS, OR I SAY DISCRIMINATION, IS AT WHATEVER LEVEL, WHEREVER YOU LIVE, IF, IF WE VOTE FOR PRESIDENT, THAT MEANS EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTRY VOTES FOR PRESIDENT.
WE ALL HAVE A VOICE OF WHO WE WANT FOR PRESIDENT.
WE ALL VOTE MEN, WOMEN, BLACK, WHITE, DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THE STATE LEVEL, WE ARE ALL WITHIN THIS STATE.
THE PEOPLE FROM INDIANA DON'T VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE, FOR GOVERNOR, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, STATE OF OHIO.
SO WE ALL VOTE WITHIN OHIO FOR THE, FOR THE GOVERNOR AND THOSE OFFICES, JUDGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE STATEWIDE.
AS IT GETS DOWN, BREAKING DOWN TO MAYORS, OR WE GET DOWN TO, UH, LEGISLATURES OR WHATEVER THE STORY IS, DISTRICT GUYS, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATIVES, STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE THE ONES THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THAT VOTE FOR THAT PERSON.
SO I'M SAYING THE CORE THING HERE IS WE, THE VOICE IS WHAT WE NEED.
WHEN, WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM, YOU BRING IT UP, YOU HAVE A VOICE, YOU SHOULD HAVE A VOICE THAT YOU'RE BEING, YOU, YOU'RE MISSING OUT.
SO I'M SAYING BY NOT HAVING A RIGHT TO VOTE IS THE MAIN CORE CONCEPTION THAT WE ALL NEED A RIGHT TO VOTE.
AND FOR THIS GROUP OR ANY GROUP TO VOTE ON THEIR NEIGHBORS WHAT THE NEIGHBORS CAN DO OR CAN'T DO, AND THEY CAN'T VOTE ON IT.
THAT THAT'D BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR AND GOING, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE AND I VOTED, AND YOU NEED TO PAINT YOUR HOUSE GREEN.
AND, UH, THE PAINTER WILL BE HERE TOMORROW AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
WHAT'S RIGHT WITH THAT? YOU KNOW? I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS STILL THE BASIC THING.
YOU SHOULD HAVE A VOTE OF WHAT COLOR YOU WANT YOUR HOUSE TO BE PAINTED.
SO VOTING IS THE CORE ISSUE HERE, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
I I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO AGREE WITH YOU THAT VOTING IS IMPORTANT.
I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THE FACT THAT ON THIS DIET, AS I LOOK ACROSS, EVERYBODY UP HERE IS A MEMBER OF ONE OR MORE PROTECTED CLASSES UNDER WHICH CIVIL RIGHTS IS COVERED AND YOURSELF BEING INCLUDED IN THAT.
AND, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE WOULD DISPARAGE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO AVAIL YOURSELF OF WHATEVER RIGHTS GUARANTEED TO YOU BY THE CONSTITUTION.
THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BY ANYBODY UP HERE.
AND EVEN BASED ON YOUR DEFINITION, SIR, OF CIVIL RIGHTS, I TOO, TAKE OFFENSE TO YOUR ANALOGY THAT WE ARE VIOLATING YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS, BECAUSE AS I, HOLD ON, I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU BECAUSE AS I'M A STUDENT OF HISTORY, AND I BELIEVE THAT, THAT ALL THINGS HAPPEN FOR A REASON, RIGHT? WE ARE ALL HERE AND WE SHOULD ALL PRO NOT ONLY PROTECT, BUT RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF EVERY OTHER PERSON IN THIS ROOM.
AND NO ONE OTHER THAN NO ONE IN THIS ROOM IS GOING TO, TO VIOLATE YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS.
NOT IN MY PRESENCE, NOT IN, I THINK ANYBODY UP HERE WOULD, WOULD PROTECT YOUR, YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS AS WELL.
HOWEVER, IN THE CONTEXT IN WHICH IT IS BEING USED, I THINK IT IS MARGINALIZING OF ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE SACRIFICES, INCLUDING THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE OF SERVING FOR THIS COUNTRY, BECAUSE THEY TOO ARE MEMBERS OF A PROTECTED CLASS.
SO I THINK WE, WHILE WE THROW IN THOSE TERMS AND CONCEPTS AROUND, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT CIVIL RIGHTS IS.
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IN THIS INSTANCE, NO ONE IS DYING.I'VE NEVER ACCUSED FOR ANNEXATION.
AND YOU, UH, AND, AND THE WHOLE, AND, AND I'M TRYING TO IMMINENT DOMAIN, I BELIEVE WAS THE TERM THAT YOU USED.
WE HAVE NOT DECLARED IMMINENT DOMAIN.
WE ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO GATHER FACTS UNDER WHICH WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER AS AN ELECTED BODY TO DE DE DECIDE WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR ANNEXATION.
AND AGAIN, TO BE ATTACKED AND BE CALLED IMMORAL AND UNETHICAL.
AS I SAID BEFORE, THOSE ARE NOT ARGUMENTS IN YOUR FAVOR.
AND I AM TRYING, I'M REALLY TRYING TO BE OBJECTIVE.
BUT WHEN I'M, WHEN, WHEN I'M CALLED CERTAIN THINGS, IT KIND OF PUTS ME IN A MINDSET, AND I'M TRYING NOT TO BE IN THAT MINDSET AND UNDERSTAND YOUR PARTICULAR SITUATION OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TO REPRESENT YOUR COMMUNITY.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I ASKED FOR THAT.
I ASKED THE MAYOR, AND SO DID, UH, COUNCILMAN KITCHEN, AND SO DID COUNCILMAN, UH, DAVIDSON ASKED THE MAYOR, WE NEED TO HAVE THIS PARTICULAR MEETING SO WE CAN HEAR YOUR PARTICULAR PERSPECTIVE AND CONCEPTIONS OF WHAT ANNEXATION IS AND WHAT IT MEANS TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
BUT AGAIN, ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL, I HAD TO ASK MYSELF, WHAT DOES YES LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES YES LOOK LIKE? AND, AND IF I ASKED YOU WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFITS OF ANNEXATION TO YOUR COMMUNITY, COULD WE FIND SOME BENEFITS? IS THERE SOME COMMON GROUND FOR ANNEXATION IN OF, OF CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO OR WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA CALL IT? WHAT DOES YES LOOK LIKE? I'VE, WE'VE HEARD A WHOLE BUNCH OF, NO, WE'VE HEARD NO OVERCROWDING.
WE'VE, WE IN SCHOOLS, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT.
WE'VE TRIED AND, AND, AND THERE'S GONNA BE MYRIAD MEETINGS AFTER THE ONE THAT IF WE DECIDE TO VOTE, THERE WILL BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF MEETINGS ON ANNEXATION AND WHAT THAT COMMUNITY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
IF THAT IS THE CASE, THE DEVELOPER, JUST BECAUSE WE SAID, HEY, YAY, YOU WANT TO, WE, WE PASSED THE VOTE TO ANNEX.
SO THOSE THINGS STILL GOTTA GO THROUGH ZONING ALL, AND, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A 10, 15 DIFFERENT VOTES, VOTES IN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ALL, IF WE DO DECIDE TO ANNEX, IF THAT IS WHAT THIS BODY DECIDES TO DO, STAY ENGAGED.
SO YOU HAVE SOME SAY SO OVER WHAT THAT IS GOING TO, THAT COMMUNITY'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
MAYBE FIVE HOUSES PER ACRE IS TOO MANY.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
BUT TO NANCY'S POINT, SOMEBODY SOLD THEIR LAND TO A DEVELOPER, SOMEBODY SOLD THEIR LAND TO A DEVELOPER.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION OF WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN THE NEXT 10, 20, AND 30 YEARS.
UNFORTUNATELY, DO I WANT THIS BURDEN? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
THOSE, THAT'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR ME TO SIT IN THIS SEAT AND REPRESENT THEM.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO DO.
I HAVE NO PRECONCEIVED VOTE OF WHAT I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING ON THE RANT, I'M SORRY, NO PRECONCEIVED VOTE OR CONCEPTION OF WHAT I'M GOING TO DO AND HOW I'M GOING TO VOTE.
WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT I'M GONNA GO THROUGH AGAIN, ALL OF THIS, LIKE I HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO.
RIGHT? AND I'VE READ THROUGH MOST OF THIS AND I UNDERSTAND MOST OF WHAT I READ AND WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I'M ASKING QUESTIONS SO THAT I CAN HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA VOTE FOR.
AND YOU ARE STANDING THERE AT THE PODIUM, BUT I'M TALKING TO EVERYBODY.
RIGHT? AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING HERE TONIGHT AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS, YOUR OPINIONS, AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO FOR THE FUTURE OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UH, AS TO THE TERMS I USE, UH, SADLY, YOU'VE TAKEN IT WRONG.
I'VE NEVER ACCUSED THIS, THIS BOARD OF VIOLATING MY CIVIL RIGHTS.
I HAVE NEVER ACCUSED YOU FOR BEING DISCRIMINATORY, BUT I HAVE POINTED OUT THAT THE LAW ESTABLISHED BY THE, THE, THE BIG GUYS IN, UH, COLUMBUS, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE LAW THAT DOESN'T ALLOW ME TO VOTE.
IF THEY SET UP A LAW THAT DOESN'T ALLOW ME TO VOTE ON MY FUTURE, THEN I BELIEVE THAT'S VIOLATES MY CIVIL RIGHTS.
AND TO, AND THE MID DOMAIN, THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT SUBJECT UP WAS TO SHOW ANOTHER FACTOR OF SOMEONE OWNS A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY BEC WILL BE FORCED TO SELL IT.
SO IT'S SORT OF REVERSAL THERE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
SO FOR THE DEFINITION OF IMMINENT DOMAIN, I'LL LOOK TO OUR LAW DIRECTOR
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AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.NO, THAT'S THE PROCESS OF ACQUIRING PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC USE.
BUT IT HAS TO BE UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, DOES IT NOT? THE DISTINCTION WOULD BE THE EMINENT DOMAIN IS DONE THROUGH A FORCIBLE PROCEDURE USING THE COURTS FORCIBLE PROCEDURE.
HE DIDN'T WANT TO SELL HIS LAND POSSIBLY USING THE COURT.
LET'S GET HIS WHOLE ENTIRE DEFINITION.
OH, HE DID SAY USING THE COURT.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT LEGAL.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO, THAT'S THE WAY TO FORCE A RESIDENT, THAT IT MIGHT BE A MULTI-GENERATIONAL HOUSE THAT PEOPLE WANT, YOU KNOW, HIS DAD BUILT IT, HIS GRANDPA BUILT IT, AND THEY WANNA STAY THERE.
HIS SON WANTS TO STAY THERE, BUT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE HEALTH COMMUNITY AND THE SAFETY COMMUNITY, THAT PROJECT NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND I'M JUST POINTING IT OUT BECAUSE THAT MEANS WHEN YOU USE THE TERM A LANDOWNER SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WITH HIS PROPERTY AS HE PLEASES, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS TRUE.
NEXT UP WE HAVE JACKIE LESCOWITCH.
I'M A BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, METHO BETHEL TOWNSHIP RESIDENT AND PARENT TO TWO CHILDREN WHO ATTEND BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS.
I'VE SHARED MY CONCERNS DURING THE MAY, 2023 COUNCIL MEETING, AS WELL AS APRIL, 2020 FOURS MEETING.
I'M COMING TO YOU ONE LAST TIME TO PLEAD WITH YOU, PLEASE, TO DISAPPROVE THIS ANNEXATION FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IT WILL HAVE ON OUR CHILDREN'S EDUCATION.
FIVE MINUTES ISN'T NEARLY ENOUGH TO THEM TO EXPLAIN TO YOU ALL OF THESE CHALLENGES, BUT HERE ARE SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.
WE ARE STILL FEELING THE EFFECTS FROM CARRIAGE TRAILS 1.1 OR 1.0, I'M SORRY.
THE SCHOOL IS IN CONSTANT TURMOIL.
WE'VE OUTGROWN OUR BRAND NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN JUST ONE SINGLE SCHOOL YEAR.
THE SCHOOLS ARE TRYING TO FIND ROOM FOR NEARLY 15 NEW TEACHERS WE HIRED TO ACCOMMODATE INCREASING CLASS SIZES.
AND THAT'S JUST FOR THIS COMING UP SCHOOL YEAR.
SOME MIDDLE SCHOOL CLASSES MAY HAVE TO GO BACK TO OUR OLD ELEMENTARY BUILDING, WHICH IS NOT CLOSELY LOCATED TO EXISTING MIDDLE SCHOOL CLASSROOMS. WE CAN'T RENOVATE THAT BUILDING BECAUSE, UH, FEAR FOR ASBESTOS.
AND SO WE JUST CAN BASICALLY PAINT IT AND, AND CAN'T ACCOMMODATE TO OUR COMPLETE NEEDS.
OUR SCHOOL'S YOUNG FIVE PROGRAM, WHICH PREPARES CHILDREN WHO QUALIFY FOR KINDERGARTEN, BUT ARE YOUNG AND FLAGGED AS POTENTIAL STRUGGLERS HAD TO REDUCE THE CLASS SIZE.
THE DATA SHOWS THESE STUDENTS ARE EXCELLING IN KINDERGARTEN BECAUSE OF THE PROGRAM, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ROOM FOR 28 STUDENTS NEXT YEAR AND MUST REDUCE THAT CLASS SIZE ALMOST EVERY DAY.
WE HAVE NEW KIDS REGISTERED FOR BUSING, WHICH CREATES THE NEED TO ADJUST BUS ROUTES.
BETHEL HAS FOUR ROUTES THAT DOUBLE ROUTES.
THIS MEANS THE FIRST LOAD OF KIDS ARRIVE AT APPROXIMATELY 35 MINUTES PRIOR TO THE SCHOOL DAY STARTING, BECAUSE THE SAME BUS HAS TO RUN ANOTHER ROUTE TO GET TO THE REST OF THE KIDS.
FROM MY RECOLLECTION, WE HAVE BEEN IN AND OUT OF TRAILERS TWICE ALREADY BECAUSE OF EXPANSION.
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, PARENTS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT STUDENT SAFETY.
THE SECOND ROTATION OF TRAILERS WERE SET UP BEHIND THE SCHOOL.
WHILE THIS REMOVES THEM FROM BEING A DIRECT TARGET OFF OF ROUTE 2 0 1, IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR A LOCKED AND CONTROLLED ENTRANCE AS THE HARDENED FACILITIES PROVIDE, NOR IS THERE MUCH PROTECTION IN A METAL BUILDING AGAINST GUNFIRE.
SHOULD WE HAVE A SCHOOL SHOOTER? THERE ARE JUST A FEW.
THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE MANY EXAMPLES ILLUSTRATE IN THE HAVOC.
RAPID AND MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT HAS PLAYED ON OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM.
IN ADDITION TO ALL THE HAVOC I'VE EXPLAINED, WE CAN'T PROJECT WHAT SCHOOLS WE NEED TO BUILD.
CARRIAGE TRAILS 1.01 OR 1.0 BROUGHT A LOT OF YOUNG FAMILIES THAT CAUSED A NEED FOR NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
BUT PERHAPS THIS TIME AROUND WE WILL NEED A NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL OR A NEW HIGH SCHOOL.
WE, WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO EVEN FORECAST WHAT WE NEED.
I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE NOT LISTENING AND DO NOT CARE ABOUT OUR CHILDREN AND THEIR EDUCATION.
YOU SEEM TO BE WILLING TO SACRIFICE OUR CHILDREN'S EDUCATION PURELY FOR THE MONEY.
AND IT APPEARS YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THIS OVER THE NEXT 10, 15, 20 YEARS UNTIL WE CAN FINALLY GET TO A POINT OF CONTENTMENT.
YOU MAY NOT LISTEN TO US, OR QUITE FRANKLY, EVEN CARE ABOUT THE MASS RAPID DEVELOPMENT CAUSES TO OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM.
BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT I, ALONG WITH MANY OTHER PARENTS IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE THESE STATS AND MANY MORE WITH NEW FAMILIES WISHING TO MOVE TO CARRIAGE TRAILS 2.0.
ALSO, GLADLY EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT THEIR HALF TO THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLAR HOMES ARE IN A SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT TEACHES OUT OF TRAILERS.
BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS HAS HAD ENOUGH, PLEASE STOP WITH A MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS STRESSING OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR CHILDREN.
OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO CATCH ITS BREATH FROM THE FIRST CARRIAGE TRAILS DEVELOPMENT.
YOU OWE IT TO OUR KIDS TOMORROW'S FUTURE.
PLEASE STOP IGNORING THE PROFOUND EFFECT THIS WRAPPER GROWTH HAS ON THEM.
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GOOD EVENING.PAUL SCHAEFFER, ACTUAL RESIDENT OF FU RIGHTS.
UM, FRED, I'M GONNA TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
WHAT DOES YES LOOK LIKE? UM, THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY THE WAY I KIND OF READ THROUGH THIS.
UM, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, THIS IS THE PLAN.
THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT GUESTS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
IN FACT, THE THE 250 PAGES STARTS OFF BY SAYING, THIS ASSUMES THE ANSWER IS YES.
SO IF THIS IS THE ANSWER IS YES, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO IN DOING THAT, THEN I, IT, THE NEXT QUESTION BECAME, CAN I BELIEVE WHAT, WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS IT, IS IT REAL? AND IF IT'S NOT, HOW MUCH RISK IS THERE? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS? WHAT ARE THE OFF ROADS? WHAT'S THE OFF RAMPS, ET CETERA.
SO WITH THAT, I CAME UP WITH A SET OF QUESTIONS AND, AND I KIND OF WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE.
UM, THE FIRST ONE HAS TO DO WITH WATER.
AND SO THE, THE, UH, PAGE 11 OF THE DUE DILIGENCE INFORMATION STATES THAT THE CITY WILL PROVIDE ALL THE BASIC SERVICES TO CARRIAGES TRAILS PHASE TWO, PER RESOLUTION 2024 R 73 63.
THE RESOLUTION CLEARLY MAKES EXCEPTIONS FOR PROVIDING POTABLE WATER AND SANITARY SERVICE SERVICES.
THOSE SERVICES ARE PRESUMED TO BE SUPPLIED BY BETHEL AND MIAMI COUNTY.
THE DUE DILIGENCE INFORMATION STATES THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF SIMPLIFYING THE EXERCISE, ASSUME THE CITY WILL PROVIDE THE POTABLE WATER AS SANITARY AND SEWER COLLECTION AND TREATMENT.
HOW RISKY IS THAT ASSUMPTION? THAT'S A QUESTION.
HOW RISKY IS THAT ASSUMPTION? GOOD.
SO, UM, IN THE DUE D DUE DILIGENCE REPORT, AND THIS, THIS ANNEXED AREA, THIS ANNEXED OR POTENTIAL ANNEXED AREA IS ACTUALLY WITHIN THE CLARK COUNTY, UM, UH, UH, PLANNING AREA.
SO, UM, FACILITY PLANNING AREA.
SO WE WILL NOT BE PROVIDING SANITARY, UH, SERVICES UNLESS THE PLAN, UH, UNLESS THE, UH, PLANNING AREA WAS AMENDED BY M-V-R-P-C, UH, AND THEN ALSO AGREED TO BY CLARK COUNTY AND, AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED, IT WOULD PROBABLY GO TO FAIRBORNE IF IT WERE TO BE AMENDED.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE ARE NOT, UM, CONTEMPLATING AMENDING THE FPA SO THAT THE SANITARY WOULD BE HANDLED NOT BY US, IT WOULD BE HANDLED BY CLARK COUNTY.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, UM, UH, THE DOMESTIC WATER, THE DRINKING WATER SUPPLY, UM, THERE IS NO, UM, RULE, UM, OR REGULATION LIKE THERE IS FOR SANITARY.
YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE FOR SANITARY.
YOU, YOU'RE GOING WHERE THE FBA TELLS YOU TO GO.
THE DEVELOPER HAS A CHOICE TO, UH, USE US OR SOMEBODY ELSE, UH, THAT COULD SERVE IT.
UM, WE ANTICIPATE, UH, AND HOPE THAT THEY WOULD USE US, BUT THAT HAS NOT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOT BEEN FULLY DECIDED.
IF THEY DON'T USE US, THERE'S NO RISK TO TO THAT.
UH, IF THEY DO, UH, USE OUR SERVICE, UM, WE, AS YOU CAN READ IN THE REPORT, UH, WE DO PROJECT A SURPLUS.
UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER IS INSTALLING ALL OF THOSE, UH, WATER LINES AND, AND UTILITIES UNDER OUR, UM, WATCHFUL.
BUT IT'S UNTIL WE TAKE THEM, IT'S THE DEVELOPER SERVICE LINES.
WE TAKE THEM AFTER THEY'RE INSTALLED AND, AND COME ONLINE.
UM, BUT THE, THE RISK TO US IS MINIMAL.
SO THE, THE, THE RISK IS IN WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD OR WOULD NOT.
THERE'S NO REAL RISK IN THE NUMBERS.
IF THEY, IF THEY ACCEPTED IT, WE WOULD GET THE HALF MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR AS INDICATED IN THE REPORT.
IF NOT, THAT NUMBER WOULDN'T BE THERE.
SO THERE'S UNCERTAINTY IN, IN THE OUTCOME.
SO THAT IS A, THERE THERE'S NO RISK TO US IF THEY DON'T USE US.
I THINK THE, THE RISK TO US IS IF THEY DIDN'T USE US, UH, AND WE HAD, WERE NOT THINKING ABOUT, UM, OUR LONG-TERM, BOTH FOR FIRE PROTECTION AND ALSO FOR, UH, DRINKING WATER PURPOSES, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD ADEQUATE SERVICE.
IF SOME OTHER SUPPLIER MAYBE WHO DID NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAD WERE TO FAIL, THEN THEY WOULD BE COMING TO LOOK FOR US FOR A SOLUTION.
SO MY PREFERENCE, BUT WE'VE NOT HAD THIS CONVERSATION, AT LEAST I'VE NOT HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER, IS THAT THEY START WITH US FIRST.
OKAY? BUT AGAIN, IT'S THEIR CHOICE.
SO WE HAVEN'T HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER.
AND I WOULD FURTHER ARGUE THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT? SINCE THE TIME THAT THE ORIGINAL, UH,
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AGREEMENT WAS PUT IN PLACE OF WHAT WE WOULD SUPPLY SERVICES AGREEMENT.THERE'S BEEN NO ATTEMPT AS THAT I'M AWARE OF TO AMEND THAT AT ALL.
IS THAT TRUE? WELL, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
SO AGAIN, THERE'S UNCERTAINTY AS TO HOW THIS BODY WOULD RESOLVE THAT CAN THE DEVELOP.
SO I THINK WE'VE ESTABLISHED A DEVELOPER CAN SIMPLY ELECT TO USE THE WATER.
HOW WOULD, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS GET THE WATER TO THE SITE? AND WOULD THAT PLAN BE ACCEPTABLE TO DEVELOPER WHO WILL PAY FOR THAT WATER TO GET THE, TO THE SITE? HOW MUCH WILL IT COST? WHEN WILL THAT HAPPEN? HOW IS IT FUNDED? ARE THOSE COSTS INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN? SO, SO WE'VE GOT UTILITIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO, TO THE SITE.
OKAY? SO THERE'S NO REAL NEED TO RUN MORE ADDITIONAL WATER MAINS OUT THERE.
THERE WOULD BE NEED TO, NO, NO MAIN LINES.
UM, NOT, BUT AGAIN, IF THERE WERE, THAT WOULD BE ON THE DEVELOPER'S NICKEL.
OKAY? UNDER, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UH, ASSUMPTIONS, THE, UH, DUE DILIGENCE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE 100% RESIDENTIAL, THE 296 ACRES.
AND THAT IN DOING SO AT THE, UH, FIVE RESIDENTS OR UNITS PER ACRE, YOU COME UP WITH A 4 80, 14 80 NUMBER.
HOWEVER, WE'VE ALREADY PROMISED SOME ACREAGE FOR A SCHOOL.
AND THERE IS ALSO GONNA BE SOME ACREAGE, I WOULD ASSUME, FOR PARKS, WATER RETENTION AREAS, AND OTHER AMENITIES.
SO THE, THE 2 96 ACRES CAN'T ACTUALLY BE FULLY UTILIZED.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER REALLY IS? AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THE TRICKLE DOWN IMPACTS ARE IN ALL OF THESE CALCULATIONS THAT ARE BASED ON 1480? WELL, I THINK THE RULE NUMBER IS 1480.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME AREAS WHEN YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU COUNT INTO, UM, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF, UH, AN APARTMENT BUILDING OR DUPLEXES, THOSE ARE, THOSE WILL BE A HIGHER DENSITY THAN FIVE UNITS PER ACRE.
SO WHEN ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS ARE CALCULATED TOGETHER, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS THEMSELVES ARE 1480.
WHEN YOU DIVIDE THAT OVER THE ACTUAL TOTAL NUMBER OF THE ANNEX LAND, THEN YOU JUST COME UP WITH, UH, AN AVERAGE DENSITY NUMBER.
BUT THAT DOESN'T, SOME SECTIONS MAY BE 8, 9, 10 UNITS PER ACRE, AND SOME MAY BE A LITTLE BIT LESS, JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS.
BUT THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT IT ALL COMES OUT TO.
SO, SO WHEN I USE THE NUMBERS FROM THAT ARE IN, I THINK IT'S APPENDIX G UH, LIST OF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES AND ACREAGE AND WHATNOT.
AND SO YOU GO THROUGH ALL THAT AND IF YOU WORK OUT ALL THE MATH, IT DOES COME OUT AS 0.2 ACRE OR, YOU KNOW, 0.2 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND, AND NO, NO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT.
I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT 100% OF THE ACREAGE CAN'T BE EVEN WITHIN THIS PLAN ISN'T INTENDED TO BE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO 7% OF THE PROPERTY IS INTENDED TO BE GIVEN FOR A SCHOOL THAT'S A 7% REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS OF HOMES, AND A 7% REDUCTION TO EVERY BIT OF REVENUE THAT'S CALCULATED USING THAT 1480 NUMBER.
IF THOSE FORMULAS ARE LINEAR, AND I'M NOT ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THEY ARE.
SO I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE COST FOR FIRE STATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, DOESN'T GO DOWN.
WE STILL NEED THE SAME NUMBER.
IT'S STILL GONNA BE TWO, TWO UNITS BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE IN 20 ACRES ISN'T ENOUGH TO MAKE IT A DIFFERENCE.
'CAUSE IT COMES IN INCREMENTS OF ONE TRUCK AND TWO PEOPLE OR THREE PEOPLE, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
SO NOT ALL THE FORMULAS ARE LINEAR, AND YOU CAN'T REALLY MAKE THAT ARGUMENT.
SO THE QUESTION AGAIN IS HOW REAL IS THIS? THERE'S SOME UNCERTAINTY IN THOSE NUMBERS.
SO I THINK I'LL JUST TO ADDRESS THAT.
I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THIS, THESE ARE ASSUMPTIONS.
SO, SO IT, IT HASN'T, IT IS NOT BUILT YET.
SO THE SO, SO THE VERY, THE VERY NEXT, SO, SO, SO PAUL, SO ULTIMATELY WHEN YOU DO DUE DUE DILIGENCE, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU ARE PROJECTING THAT IS THE NATURE OF A DUE DILIGENCE REPORT.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED FOR.
AND THOSE ASSUMPTIONS ARE MADE.
SO OF COURSE, IN THIS BEGINNING OF THIS, WE STARTED WITH THE ASSUMPTION OF YES, BECAUSE IF THE ASSUMPTION WAS NO, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
SO BE BEING A SCIENTIST AND AN ENGINEER AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, LOOKING AT THESE KINDS OF NUMBERS IN THE PAST WHEN DOING THESE KINDS OF ANALYSIS, THEY GENERALLY INCLUDE A CONFIDENCE INTERVAL AND GENERALLY WILL HAVE SOME KIND OF RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THEM SO THAT YOU CAN DETERMINE HOW RISKY IS THIS NUMBER? ARE YOU AT THE 50 PERCENTILE LEVEL? ARE YOU AT THE 90 PERCENTILE LEVEL WITH THESE NUMBERS? IS THIS THE MOST LIKELY, THE LEAST LIKELY? I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THAT IN HERE.
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NONE OF THAT IS QUANTIFIED IN THIS REPORT.THE NUMBER IS 1480, AND THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS SAID THEY WOULD BUILD.
AND THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT OUR ASSUMPTIONS WERE BASED OFF OF.
OKAY? SO MY CONCERN IS THAT IF I MAKE THOSE KINDS OF ABSOLUTE STATEMENTS, I WILL BE ABSOLUTELY WRONG.
AS WE WERE ABSOLUTELY WRONG WITH CARRIAGE TRAILS.
ONE ABSOLUTELY WRONG WITH EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND ABSOLUTELY WRONG WITH MEADOWS.
WE'VE SET EXPECTATIONS FOR PEOPLE WITHOUT BOUNDING THE PROBLEM AND SAYING, THIS IS THE ANSWER SOMEWHERE BETWEEN X AND Y.
IT'S NOT, WE'RE SAYING IT'S EXACTLY A, AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT IS.
AND THESE PEOPLE RIGHTFULLY SO, ARE UPSET BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING WHAT THEY WANT.
SO WHEN I SAY, WHAT CAN I EXPECT? WHAT DOES YES LOOK LIKE? AND THIS TELLS ME EXACTLY WHAT YES LOOKS LIKE.
I I CAN, I CAN GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE THINGS AND GO INTO THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE GONNA BE BUILT, AND LET'S SEE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MANPOWER.
UM, I AM JUST GONNA GO TO MY, I'M GONNA GO TO MY, MY FINAL PIECE ON THIS, 'CAUSE I THINK IT SUMMARIZES IT.
MY POSITION IS THERE'S NO STATISTICAL CONFIDENCE LEVEL PRESENTED IN THE DUE DILIGENCE INFORMATION BASED ON A NUMBER OF RISKY ASSUMPTIONS, VARIABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE ASSUMPTIONS AND THE UNQUANTIFIED MAGNITUDE OF THE CONSEQUENCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE RISKS.
I HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN THE FISCAL DUE DILIGENCE ANALYSIS PROVIDED OR THE REVENUES CALCULATED.
FURTHER, I FIND THE GEOPOLITICAL FORECAST FOR COOPERATION AND ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE TWO MIS MUNICIPALITIES TO BE UNREALISTIC.
RISKS AREN'T IDENTIFIED, NOT QUANTIFIED, NOT DISCUSSED.
THE PROBABILITY OF ENC ENCOUNTERING IT AND THE MAGNITUDE OF REALIZING THE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE RISKS HAVE NOT BEEN PRESENTED.
THERE ARE NO OFF RAMPS, NO IDENTIFIED DECISION POINTS OTHER THAN THE STANDARD PROCESS.
NO MITIGATION STRATEGIES OR HANDLING STRATEGIES.
I BELIEVE THE IMPACT ON THE FUTURE OF HUBER HEIGHTS CHILDREN, THOSE WHO WOULD RESIDE IN CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO, TO REMAIN UNACCEPTABLE SCHOOL CROWDING AND SAFETY AS WELL AS QUALITY OF EDUCATION REMAIN, ARE HARDLY UNADDRESSED IN THE NEAR TERM.
AND THOSE CONCERNS REMAIN FOR FAR TOO LONG, GIVEN THE ASSUMPTIONS INCUMBENT WITH THE DUE DILIGENCE INFORMATION IN TYPICAL HUBER HEIGHTS FASHION, THE DUE DILIGENCE INFORMATION AND ITS INCUMBENT STRATEGY DOWNPLAY, IF NOT OUTRIGHT, NOR THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ON TRAFFIC CONGESTION.
ADDITIONALLY, THE ANALYSIS TREATS ITSELF IN ISOLATION FROM THE SYSTEM AND FAILS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE INCORPORATION AND INTERACTIONS AND CONDITIONS CREATED WHEN CONSIDERING THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT AND OTHER GROWTH, INCLUDING THOSE 700 DEPARTMENTS THAT CAN GO IN AT CARRIAGE TRAILS AND 2 0 1, THAT WILL ADD SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 300 ADDITIONAL STUDENTS TO THE SCHOOLS.
THE DUE DILIGENCE INFORMATION PROVIDES NO ANALYSIS OR THOUGHT ON HOW THIS ANNEXATION ITS ASSOCIATED DEVELOPMENT WILL IMPACT THE SOCIAL OR CULTURAL ASPECTS OF HUBER HEIGHTS OR ITS NEIGHBORS.
THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION, PARTICULARLY FOR THE COMMUNITY WHICH HAS SUCH A LARGE LIFETIME PERMANENT RESIDENCY.
THIS GOES DIRECTLY TO THE HEART OF THE QUESTION, WHAT DOES YES LOOK LIKE? UNADDRESSED ARE CONSIDERATIONS OF COMMUNITY IDENTITY AND COHESION, DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, HEALTHCARE AND SOCIAL SERVICES IMPACTS, HERITAGE AND TRADITIONS, CHANGING COMMUNITY VALUES AND NORMS, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND SO ON.
I'VE HEARD THE CONCERNS OF OUR NEIGHBORS, BETHEL TOWNSHIP IN MIAMI COUNTY, AND HAVE CONSIDERED THEIR VIEWS, AND I'VE HEARD FROM THE CITY COUNCIL AT MEETINGS AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
I REVIEWED THE DUE DILIGENCE INFORMATION AND I PERFORMED INDEPENDENT RESEARCH.
AND I PRIDE MYSELF ON BEING AN INFORMED MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY FOR BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO ALL, ALL 23 YEARS I'VE LIVED IN HUMAN RIGHTS.
WITH ALL OF THIS IN MIND, I'M STEADFASTLY OPPOSED TO THIS ANNEXATION AND ASK THAT EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER VOTE NO ON ANNEXATION.
I BELIEVE IN THE GOLDEN RULE AND THE PRINCIPLE OF TREATING OTHERS AS I WANT TO BE TREATED BY THEM.
THIS SHOULDN'T BE SO HARD TO DO HERE.
NEXT UP WE HAVE AMANDA MORGAN.
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MY NAME IS AMANDA MORGAN.I AM A CARRIAGE TRAILS HUBER HEIGHTS RESIDENT.
SORRY, PUBLIC SPEAKING IS NOT MY THING.
UM, SO THE FIRST THING I WANNA MENTION IS THE LACK OF ATTENTION TO INFRASTRUCTURES LIKE FIRE AND POLICE.
YOU SAY YOU HAVE ENOUGH, BUT YOU DO NOT LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES.
YOU DON'T WHO LIVES IN CARRIAGE TRAILS HERE? NO ONE.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY, WHAT GOES ON IN THE COMMUNITY EVERY DAY.
HOW OFTEN A CAR FLIPS OVER IN THE ROUNDABOUT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TOO FAST, BUT NO ONE'S THERE TO POLICE THEM.
HOW? A HOUSE ALMOST BURNT DOWN LAST YEAR, AND THE FIRST RESPONDERS WERE BUTLER, NOT BETHEL, NOT HUBER, WHICH HAS A FIRE DEPARTMENT LESS THAN TWO MILES AWAY.
OKAY? SO IF YOU SAY THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE THESE THINGS, YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING THEM NOW.
SO HOW CAN YOU PROVIDE THEM TO 1500 APPROXIMATELY NEW HOMES? UM, THE SECOND THING I WANNA MENTION IS THE ROADS 2 0 1, 2 0 2 AND 40 WILL NOT BE YOUR PROBLEM.
SO THOSE ARE GONNA BE YOUR MOST CONGESTED AREAS WITH CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
PUTTING AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT ON ROUTE 40.
RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU TRAVEL ROUTE 40 RIGHT NOW, NORTH AND SOUTH.
UM, DURING PEAK HOURS, IT'S BUSY.
IT'S GONNA GET BUSIER, AND HUBER HAS NO GRASP ON THAT.
THAT'S NOT THEIR, THEIR CUP OF TEA.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROBLEMS. WE'RE PASSING THE BUCK ON THAT.
UM, WITH 2 0 1 AND 2 0 2, WE HAVE PROMISED A LIGHT.
UH, WE WERE PROMISED THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN THAT ARE NOW GONNA BE APARTMENT COMPLEXES WITH A LIGHT, BUT WE'LL SEE HOW LONG THAT TAKES.
UM, AND MONTHLY, THERE'S A MAJOR CAR ACCIDENT AT THAT INTERSECTION, MONTHLY.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK 40 IS GONNA LOOK LIKE? WHAT IS IT GONNA TAKE FOR HUBBERT TO OPEN THEIR EYES AND SEE THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM MASS DEVELOPING IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA THAT CANNOT HANDLE IT'S A TWO-LANE ROAD? WELL, ALL OF THEM ARE TWO LANE ROADS AT THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS OF CARED SHELLS.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, IS IT GONNA TAKE A MAJOR FATALITY OR A FEW FOR HUBERT TO SEE THAT THESE AREAS OF TRAFFIC ARE A PROBLEM? AND LET'S NOT BE REACTIVE.
LET'S BE PROACTIVE ABOUT THE SITUATION, WHICH I KNOW THAT WILL COME WITH PLANNING AND WHATNOT.
IF IT IS A YES VOTE, WHICH ANY OF US ALREADY KNOW THAT ANSWER, UM, THE NEXT MENTION IS, MY KIDS GO TO SCHOOL BETHEL.
I'M A MOM BEAR, AND I WILL PROTECT THEM AND THEIR EDUCATION AND THEIR RIGHT TO GOOD EDUCATION.
IF THAT MEANS STANDING UP HERE AND CRYING MY EYEBALLS AT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO.
HOW MANY OF YOU ARE PARENTS? HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN? HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE CHILDREN AT BETHEL? NONE.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE KIDS GO THROUGH EVERY DAY.
MY SON HAD A CLASS BECAUSE HE'S SPECIAL EDUCATION IN A CLOSET, A JANITOR CLOSET THAT THEY HAD TO RENOVATE IN THE OLD BUILDING BECAUSE THEY WERE SO FULL THEIR LAST YEAR, FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL, 25 UNEXPECTED CHILDREN SHOWED UP AND HAD NOWHERE TO SIT.
THEY HAD TO SIT ON THE FLOOR BECAUSE BETHEL CAN'T KNOW WHAT THESE FAMILIES ARE GOING TO BRING IN.
MANY OF THE FAMILIES IN HERE IN CARRIAGE TRAILS ARE NOT SINGLE FAMILIES.
THEY'RE MULTI-FAMILIES, AND THERE'S UPWARDS OF FOUR TO 10 CHILDREN PER HOUSEHOLD.
SO THOSE NUMBERS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIXATED ON THAT.
LOOKING AT THE NEW CENSUS, NOT 20 21, 20 22, 20 23, 20 24.
UM, THE NEXT MESSAGE THAT I HAVE IS THE CROWDING IN THE HALLWAYS.
MY DAUGHTER IS CONTINUOUSLY BUMPED AND PUSHED THROUGH THE HALLS TO GET TO HER CLASS IN A THREE MINUTE WALK PERIOD, AND CAN ALMOST NEVER MAKE IT.
THE DOUBLE ROUTES ARE AN ISSUE.
HAVING YOUR CHILD GET OUT OF SCHOOL AT TWO 30, BUT NOT MAKING IT TO THE DOORSTEP UNTIL AFTER FOUR IS A PROBLEM, NOT JUST FOR ME, BUT FOR HER WHO'S BEEN STUCK AT SCHOOL OR STUCK ON A BUS FOR
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HOURS.UM, WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S A SITE MAP THAT WAS GIVEN IN THE DUE DILIGENCE.
IT INCLUDES A MIXTURE OF CONDOS, APARTMENTS, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND UPSCALE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BY THE LOOKS OF IT.
UM, THE NUMBERS THAT HUBER IS RUNNING IS BASED OFF OF CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE, WHICH IS ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
YOU'RE RUNNING NUMBERS OFF APARTMENT COMPLEXES, UH, OR SOME ASSUMING COMPLEXES, CONDOS, THAT IF YOU LOOK AT BENCH, THE VILLAS ARE $300,000, NOT 400,000.
UM, SO I'M, I'M JUST ASKING TO LIKE, THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX ON THAT AND JUST KNOW THAT $400,000 HOUSE VALUE IS NOT GONNA BE THE SAME FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO.
THAT NUMBER IS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE LIKE PAUL SAID.
UM, AND ALSO WE ALL KNOW WITH BENCH ROCK HOW IT WENT.
THE FIRST CAR CHOSE ONE, HOW IT WENT THE FIRST TIME.
THE SITE PLANS WERE AMENDED ALMOST A DOZEN TIMES IN EIGHT YEARS.
SO HOW, HOW, LIKE AGAIN, HOW ABSOLUTE IS THIS SITE PLAN? IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, IT COULD END UP BEING 1400 HOMES, NOT APARTMENTS, NOT CONDOS, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT EVEN MORE CONGESTED, NOT SPACED OUT.
NO ACREAGE, NO GREEN SPACE, NO PARKS, NOTHING.
THE PARK TECHNICALLY BELONGS TO PARK TOWN.
CARRIAGE TROLL HAS MULTIPLE RETENTION PONDS, WHICH GET ICE SKATED ON BY KIDS EVERY, EVERY WINTER.
BUT WHEN SOMEONE CALLS THE POLICE TO TELL THEM THAT THEY NEED TO COME OUT AND POLICE THESE CHILDREN BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARENT IN SIGHT, THEY BRUSH IT OFF JUST LIKE THEY BRUSH OFF THE SPEEDING, JUST LIKE THEY BRUSH OFF THE BREAKING IN, ENTERING INTO CARS EVERY WEEK, EVERY WEEK THERE IS CAR BREAK-INS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY A DISPATCHER, I'M SORRY, IT'S CHANGE OF SHIFT.
YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR AN OFFICER TO COME.
OKAY, PUTTING MY FAMILY IN DANGER.
WHAT IF THEY DECIDE TO COME TO MY HOUSE? UM, AGAIN, I'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS FOR A LONG TIME.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HIT ALL THE TOP HOT TOPICS, BUT I AM A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR A NO ON ANNEXATION, MOSTLY FOR MY CHILDREN, OR THE LACK OF EDUCATION OR THE LACK OF A PROPER, UM, SCHOOL EXPERIENCE THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE.
YOU CAN'T EXPECT MY CHILD TO WALK AWAY AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I REALLY REMEMBERED THOSE AWESOME CLASSROOMS I HAD BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THEM.
WE ARE STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
WE HAVE TO EAT IN SHIFTS, WHICH WILL ONLY ALLOW US LESS THAN 30 MINUTES TO EAT BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY KIDS.
NEXT UP, WE HAVE BRAD KENNEDY.
I LIVE AT, UH, 6 5, 4 5, UH, STATE ROUTE 2 0 1.
AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL DO.
SOMETIMES YOU FIND YOURSELVES IN THANKLESS POSITIONS AS YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS AND TRYING TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD.
SO I DO HAVE GREAT APPRECIATION FOR WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE DOING.
I ALSO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TAKING THE TIME TO GATHER FACTS, UM, RELATED TO THIS ANNEXATION AND THAT YOU PUBLISHED A REPORT.
SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE AS I READ SOME OF THE STUFF AND I LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PUT IN THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, WE'RE NOT GIVEN OURSELVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME FACTUAL EVIDENCE RELATED TO WHAT THE ANNEXATION IS GONNA BRING TO THE COMMUNITY.
A LOT OF CONVERSATION TODAY IS, UM, CENTERED ON TO SCHOOLS.
UM, BUT I I, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SECOND AND THIRD ORDER EFFECTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TOUCHED ON.
UM, ONE SUCH EXAMPLE WOULD BE LIKE SNOW REMOVAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH CARRIAGE TRAILS, UM, AFTER A SNOWSTORM.
AND OUR SNOWSTORMS HAVE BEEN REALLY MILD THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE THE HOUSES ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER AND THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC.
UM, IT, THE, THE ROADS ARE ESSENTIALLY IMPASSABLE.
UM, I THINK PARKWAY IS YOUR PRIORITY TOO, BUT ALL THE SURFACE STREETS AND YOU'RE GETTING READY TO ADD A LOT MORE SURFACE STREETS, THEY DON'T GET CLEARED FOR 72 PLUS HOURS.
AND ANYBODY DRIVING A SMALL VEHICLE LIKE AN ELANTRA, THEY'RE GONNA BOTTOM OUT.
THEY CAN'T GET IN OR OUT IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.
SO ALL OF THOSE LITTLE THINGS THAT AREN'T PART OF THE PRIMARY PLAN THAT'S BEING PUT TOGETHER, THOSE SUPPORT SERVICES THAT ARE OUT THERE BY ADDING THESE ADDITIONAL HOUSES AND THESE SURFACE STREETS, AND WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF THE ONES WE HAVE NOW, I, I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO OUT AND DRIVE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY OR MAYBE EVEN GO INTO THE SCHOOLS AND VISIT, TALK TO THE TEACHERS AND THINGS JUST TO SEE THAT THE DECISION THAT YOU'RE MAKING, IF YOU'RE VOTING YES FOR
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THE ANNEX, BUT YOU DON'T, YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THESE OTHER EFFECTS AND CONCERNS THAT ARE AFFILIATED WITH IT.YOU PROBABLY SHOULD GIVE YOURSELF THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION.
UH, MR. AKINS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IS FIVE PER ACRE REALISTIC? LIKE, IS, SHOULD, SHOULD THAT BE MODIFIED? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE TO GET US TO YES.
WHERE YES, WE'VE GOTTA ADDRESS THE HOUSING CONCERN, BUT WE CAN DO IT IN A MORE PRACTICAL WAY THAT'S GONNA GIVE US SOME ADDITIONAL HOUSING.
WE SHOULDN'T BE SQUEEZING THINGS OUT TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH TAX REVENUE OUT OF A SPECIFIC PLOT OF LAND AS WE CAN WITHOUT TAKING CARE OF OUR COMMUNITIES.
OKAY? UM, SO MEETING THAT HOUSING DEMAND, UM, AND, AND TAKING CARE OF THE, YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES.
THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID, READING A REPORT AND SEEING WHAT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE AND HEARING WHAT PEOPLE'S TALKING ABOUT AND, AND, AND WHAT REPORTS SHOW.
BUT THE GROUND TRUTH IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GET OUT THERE AND YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY.
SO I ENCOURAGE YOU, IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO PLEASE GO OUT THERE.
WE TALK ABOUT THERE ONLY BEING 160 KIDS.
I THINK THERE'S 160 KIDS ON LAKESIDE STREET.
SO I MEAN, THE SCHOOLS OUT, KIDS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
JUST DRIVE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AND GET A FEEL FOR WHAT THAT CONGESTION BRINGS AND WHAT ADDING THESE 1400 ADDITIONAL HOUSES IN THE SURFACE STREETS.
AND THAT AREA IS GOING TO DO ON TOP OF IT.
IT'S NOT JUST HUBER HEIGHTS, BETHEL SKILLS.
GOTTA BE CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON IN THE AREA.
BETHEL TOWNSHIP, WE'VE GOT HOUSES GOING UP ALL ALONG 2 0 1.
THERE'S SOME DEVELOPMENTS IN 2 0 2.
SO WHILE WE ARE LOOKING AT JUST ONE SPECIFIC HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, THAT SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS GOTTA THINK EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY AROUND THEM.
YOU GUYS ARE FOCUSED ON ONE SMALL PIECE OF THE PIE, BUT THERE'S A BIGGER PICTURE THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE HAVING TO LIVE WITH THERE.
SO AGAIN, I THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE YOU AND, AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND, AND DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
I'M MICHAEL SEAL, 91 10 MAN ROAD, BETHEL TOWNSHIP, UH, OWNED 14 ACRES THERE THAT BORDERS THE PROPOSED ANNEX LAND.
UH, 1,560 FEET ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THE BACK WEST SIDE, 340 FEET.
I WAS WONDERING WHAT KIND OF BUFFER WOULD BE PUT IN BETWEEN ME AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, IF THERE HAD BEEN AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY DONE AS TO THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE, THERE'S A CREEK RUNS ACROSS MY PROPERTY.
AM I GONNA GET FLOODED OUT OR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE? SO AS, SO I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND FROM, FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, THE ANNEXATION, IF THAT GOES THROUGH, IS JUST THE ANNEXATION OF AGRICULTURAL LAND.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS AT THIS POINT.
NOTHING ELSE WILL HAPPEN UNTIL THAT DEVELOPER COMES BACK THROUGH FOR ZONING APPROVAL.
PART OF THAT ZONING APPROVAL IS ALL THE ENGINEERING PLANS AND, AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND THAT'S WHERE, I MEAN, THAT PROCESS IS DESIGNED WHERE, UH, THERE ARE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND YOU CAN COME AT THAT POINT AND YOU CAN SPEAK OUT AND YOU CAN TALK TO THE DEVELOPER, UM, AND ASK FOR CERTAIN THINGS.
THE, THE BUFFERING, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE ENGINEERING PLANS, THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS THAT THAT PROCESS IS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT.
YEAH, SO I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
AND THAT INFORMATION GOES THROUGH THE ACTUAL PLANNING COMMISSION OF WHICH AARON, UH, RUNS OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER HERE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S HERE THIS EVENING.
SO THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY GO THROUGH AND DETERMINE WHAT ALL THOSE ISSUES ARE AND IF THERE ARE PERCEIVED ISSUES, THEY'RE WORKED OUT THROUGH THE ENGINEERING PROCESS.
AND, AND THEN THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE DEMANDS ON THE DEVELOPER TO CHANGE OR FIX SPECIFIC THINGS BEFORE ANY APPROVALS ARE GIVEN.
SO AS FRED HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT VOTES THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE BEFORE ANY HOUSE EVER GETS BUILT BEFORE ANY ROAD OR SIDEWALK OR WATER MAIN EVER GOES IN.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE JUST NOT, WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET.
AND, AND DO YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, I WOULD BE REMAINING IN MIAMI COUNTY, BETHEL TOWNSHIP AND HUBBERT WOULD BE RIGHT THERE BORDERING ME, WHICH I HAVE A RECREATION AREA IN THE REAR WITH A CAMPGROUND, A SHOOTING RANGE, AND A MY GRANDKIDS LOVE TO RIDE DIRT BIKES BACK THERE AND FOUR WHEELERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I MEAN, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN, SAY SOMEBODY LIVING IN A, AN APARTMENT BACK THERE AND I FIRE A GUN OR SOMEBODY RIDES A DIRT BIKE THROUGH THERE AND CALLS THE HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT ISSUE RIGHT NOW IN, UM, IN A, IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT FAR FROM WHERE, UH, DR.
AKINS LIVES IN, IN THE OAKS AND ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, THERE IS, I BELIEVE A FIVE ACRE, FIVE ACRE PIECE OF
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PROPERTY THERE.UM, AND THE GENTLEMAN GOES OUT THERE AND FIRES OFF ROUNDS ALL THE TIME.
HE HAS AN AGRICULTURAL PIECE OF LAND THAT IS WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, THERE ARE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE CALLED THE POLICE, AND THE POLICE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? HE'S WITHIN EVERY LEGAL RIGHT TO, TO DO THAT BECAUSE HIS ZONING AND HIS PROPERTY ABSOLUTELY ALLOWS FOR THAT.
SO THERE, I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT SITUATION CURRENTLY.
AND, UH, YOU WOULD NOT LOSE ANY RIGHTS TO BE ABLE TO USE YOUR PROPERTY AS YOU SEE FIT.
HAS THERE BEEN A COMMUNITY IMPACT STUDY DONE, IS HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE COMMUNITY RIGHT AROUND THERE? CLOSE ON, LIKE ON HEFNER ROAD, MAN ROAD AND 40 AND ALL RIGHT.
IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA? UH, THAT I, THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, WELL, I WOULD, THE, THE, THE DEVELOPER WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO, TO ANSWER THAT OR, UM, IF THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN THEIR PLANS TO DO, TO WORK WITH PLANNING COMMISSION.
MAY, MAY, THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE ANY APPROVALS ARE GIVEN OR TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ALL AGAIN, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT AROUND THOSE WE JUST HAVEN'T, WE'RE JUST NOT IN THAT PART OF THE PROCESS YET.
SO I, I, I THINK YOU PROBABLY NEED TO DO SOME MORE STUDIES BEFORE YOU TAKE A VOTE ON IT, MAYBE.
AND I, AND I URGE YOU TO VOTE, I'M GONNA URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON IT WHILE I'M UP HERE.
AND THANKS, THANKS FOR EVERYBODY'S TIME AND THANKS FOR HAVING THIS MEETING.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I'M A BETHEL TOWNSHIP TRUSTEE, AND WHILE WE ARE SQUARELY AGAINST ANNEXATION, I'M HERE SPEAKING ONLY FOR MYSELF TONIGHT, NOT ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD.
UH, FIRST I HAVE A QUESTION TO CONFORM THE BOUNDARIES.
HUBER HEIGHTS COUNCIL HAS TO AGREE AS WELL.
WE HAD PROPOSED CONFORMING THEM IN OUR LAST ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, BUT YOU CHOSE NOT TO VOTE ON THE AGREEMENT.
SO MAYOR GORE, I WAS WONDERING, DOES YOUR STATEMENT EARLIER THIS EVENING MEAN THAT YOU ARE OPEN TO CONFORMING THE BOUNDARIES STILL? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, SO ANOTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP WAS ABOUT EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY.
IT IS THEIR RIGHT, BUT THEY MUST SELL AS IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AND CAN ONLY CHANGE IT WITH APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD.
THESE DECISIONS ARE WEIGHED AS TO WHAT IS BEST, NOT ONLY FOR THE OWNER, BUT ALSO FOR THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
ZONING REGULATIONS EXIST FOR A REASON.
AND FOR US, WHEN YOU ASKED ABOUT BUYING THE LAND, THE TOWNSHIP DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY UP EVERY PARCEL OF LAND THAT'S IN THE LINE OF FIRE OF ANNEXATION.
AND SECONDLY, THE LANDOWNERS DIDN'T WANT TO SELL UNTIL THE DEVELOPER CAME TO THEM WAVING A BIG BAG OF CASH.
SO ONLY THE LAND THAT'S IN THE TARGET OF ANNEXATION, UH, DRAWS THOSE KIND OF PRICES.
SO, JUST COINCIDENCE FOR THE LANDOWNERS THAT HAPPENED TO BE IN THE ANNEXATION AREAS ARE SELLING THEIR LAND.
AT THE PRESENTATION MEETING LAST WEEK, ONE COUNCILMAN STATED, OH, NEVERMIND, THAT WAS ALREADY COVERED.
SO ON THE DUE DILIGENCE DOCUMENT, I JUST WANNA SAY KUDOS ON THAT.
IT SHOWS ONLY THE POSITIVES FOR HUB HEIGHTS AND NONE OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT ANNEXATION IS HAVING ON BOTH COMMUNITIES.
I KNOW A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THAT DOCUMENT, UH, BUT SINCE IT DID JUST COME OUT, THERE'S BEEN LITTLE TIME TO VERIFY MANY OF THE NUMBERS IN THE DOCUMENT.
BUT THIS EVENING, I'M GOING TO SPEAK AS IF THEY ARE ACCURATE.
THE DOCUMENT STATES THAT THOSE ROADS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE ACRES ARE STATE ROUTES.
UH, AS HEFNER ROAD CURRENTLY DEAD ENDS INTO THE ACREAGE SLATED FOR ANNEXATION, THIS IS A VERY QUIET, SMALL, NARROW ROAD WITH ABOUT 10 RESIDENTS THAT LEADS TO MAN ROAD, WHICH IS ALSO A COUNTRY ROAD.
BOTH OF THESE ROADS ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE HEAVY TRAFFIC AS CARRIAGE TRAILS 2.0 CONTINUES TO BE BUILT OUT.
THIS ALSO MEANS MUCH MORE TRAFFIC FOR THE SMALL BRANT AREA AS FOLKS CUT THROUGH THERE TO GO TO THE SCHOOL.
SO THIS IS ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS, THOUGH.
IN THE HEYDAY OF CARRIAGE TRAILS 1.0, THE NUMBER OF HOUSES CONSTRUCTED PER YEAR WAS 120 TO 130.
I SUSPECT THE A HUNDRED HOUSE ESTIMATE IN YOUR DOCUMENT IS LOW.
I ALSO SU SUSPECT THAT IT MAY TAKE MAYBE 10 TO 12 YEARS TO BUILD OUT NOT 15.
AGAIN, THAT'S BASED ON THE PREVIOUS TRACK RECORD.
SEWERS NOT INCLUDED AS IF SOMEONE ELSE WAS HANDLING IT AND PAYING FOR IT.
IT MAY NOT BE IN YOUR FPA, BUT IT STILL NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED IN FULL IN A DUE DILIGENCE DOCUMENT.
THE DOCUMENT SEEMS TO BE SLANTED TO POINT, A CAREFREE TO PAINT A CAREFREE PICTURE WHERE ALL KINDS OF MONEY WILL BE FLOWING INTO THE CITY.
NOTHING SHOULD BE EXCLUDED FROM A DUE DILIGENCE REPORT.
NOT SAYING THAT THERE WON'T BE SOME MONEY, BUT THE DOCUMENT THROWS AROUND REVENUE DOLLARS, LIKE THEY'RE AVAILABLE ON DAY ONE WHEN THE NET PROFITS IN THE DOCUMENT DON'T ACTUALLY MATERIALIZE UNTIL BUILD OUT IS COMPLETE, BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS USE THE BIGGEST NUMBER AT THE END OF THE TIME.
I INCLUDE IN THIS THE PROMISE OF A 500,000
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A YEAR WATER PROFIT THAT WILL PRESUMABLY PROVIDE FIXES TO OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY AND ELIMINATE AN INCREASE IN PRICE TO THE RESIDENTS, WHICH AT THE MEETING WAS SAID, THAT WOULD HAPPEN.NOW, IN THE DUE DILIGENCE REPORT, IT STATES THAT ALL OTHER OPERATIONAL DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS THAT NO ADDITIONAL STAFFING IS NECESSARY.
CAN YOU ELABORATE ON WHAT THOSE DEPARTMENTS ARE? IS THAT JUST LIKE PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? YEAH.
FROM, UH, AN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT, OUR, UM, YEAH, HUMAN RESOURCES.
I MEAN, PUBLIC WORKS AND PUBLIC SAFETY WAS ADDRESSED.
SO PAGE 11 SAYS, THE CITY'S PROVIDING ALL THE BASIC SERVICES PER RESOLUTION 2024 DASH R DASH 73 63, BUT NOT SEWER.
ACCORDING TO AARON, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE OTHER PLANNING DISTRICT.
SAID THAT'S, SO THEN THAT STATEMENT IS NOT CORRECT.
THERE'S, UM, ALREADY MORE FOLKS LIVING ON THE ANNEX GROUND OF HUBER HEIGHTS, UM, THAN IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
AND YOU STATED THE NUMBERS RIGHT IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO IT WAS LIKE IN THE PARAGRAPH BEFORE.
SO ABOUT THE SCHOOL GIVING $20 MILLION TO BUILD ANOTHER SCHOOL SOUNDS EXTREMELY GENEROUS.
HOWEVER, THEN YOU READ THE FIVE PRESIDENCY THAT IT'S ACROSS A 30 YEAR SPAN.
OUR MOST RECENT K FIVE, WHICH HOUSES UP TO A THOUSAND STUDENTS, COST OVER $30 MILLION TO BUILD THIS NUMBER IS FOR THE BASIC SCHOOL AND DOES NOT INCLUDE MANY EXTRAS THAT POPPED UP ALONG THE WAY, SUCH AS RUNNING ELECTRICITY FROM A DISTANCE SUBSTATION.
IT ALSO DOESN'T INCLUDE ITEMS LIKE THE PLAYGROUND AND OTHER ITEMS THAT WE JUST DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH BUDGET TO COVER.
SO 20 MILLION FOR THE NEXT SCHOOL, MAYBE WE'LL COVER HALF OF IT, BUT THE MONEY'S NEEDED UPFRONT, NOT OVER A 30 YEAR PERIOD WHO COVERS THE OTHER HALF THAT WILL FALL TO THE REMAINING RESIDENTS IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
EVEN THOUGH THE STUDENTS ARE ENTIRELY A RESULT OF THE ANNEXATION AND ARE ENTIRELY HUB HEIGHTS CITIZENS.
YOU MENTIONED OTHER SOURCES SUCH AS THE 0.75% INCOME TAX, BUT THOSE FUNDS ARE NEEDED AS OPERATING COSTS.
OVER 80% OF THE BUDGET OF ANY SCHOOL TYPICALLY GOES TO JUST PAYING THE TEACHERS, ADMINISTRATORS, AND SUPPORT STAFF.
ALSO, THE MONEY THAT WE RECEIVED PER STUDENT, YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE STATE, THE MONEY THAT COMES FROM THE STATE WAS CAPPED FOR OUR SCHOOL UNTIL THE MOST RECENT BIENNIUM BUDGET.
THEY ARE NOW MOVING TOWARD REMOVING THAT CAP, BUT IT IS NOT THERE YET.
AND WE STILL DO NOT RECEIVE FULL FUNDING FROM THE STATE.
MAYBE IN A FEW YEARS IF THEY, THEY DO NOT CHANGE THE FORMULA AGAIN.
IN THE NEXT BIENNIUM, WE MAY GET THE FULL AMOUNT FOR EACH STUDENT.
WE HAVE THE MEETING WITH FESS AND THE ONE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER THAT YOU REFERRED TO WAS UNKNOWN TO THE REMAINING BOARD MEMBERS.
SO I CONTEND THEY WERE NOT, THEY WERE SPEAKING FOR THEMSELVES AND NOT ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD.
ALSO, IF THE SCHOOL IS BUILT ON HUBER HEIGHTS PROPERTY, THIS IS A QUESTION, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO WAIVE THE 2.25% HUBER HEIGHTS INCOME TAX FOR THE STAFF THAT WILL WORK IN THAT BUILDING? I THINK THAT'S, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT THERE, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE FOR THE STAFF.
MAYOR GORE MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THE SCHOOL WAS THE MAIN CONCERN.
THIS WAS LAST WEEK'S PRESENTATION.
I WOULD CONTEND THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY THAT ANNEXATION HAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY.
THE EROSION OF OUR CULT OF OUR COUNTRY RURAL CULTURE.
THAT CULTURE EROSION EXTENDS TO THE SCHOOL, WHICH IS GROWING AT AN ALARMING RATE AND LOSING THE BENEFITS OF BEING A SMALLER SCHOOL.
IT EXTENDS TO THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION THAT USED TO BE NON-EXISTENT.
FOLKS MOVE TO BETHEL TOWNSHIP FOR A REASON.
WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE 10 FEET FROM OUR NEIGHBOR.
WE WANT THE QUIET AND TRANQUILITY OF A RURAL LIFESTYLE.
WE WANT THE COUNTRY ROADS WITHOUT A STOPLIGHT ON EVERY CORNER.
WE WANT TO DRIVE THOSE ROADS AND LOOK OUT THE WINDOW AT THE CROPS GROWING.
AND THE CATTLE GRAZING ANNEXATION IS DESTROYING OUR WAY OF LIFE.
AND SINCE WE LEGALLY HAVE NO SAY IN IT, IT IS SOLELY AT THE HANDS AND WILL OF HUMOR HEIGHTS.
IT WAS FORMERLY A TOWNSHIP AND BECAME A CITY TO AVOID.
PAGE 11 STATES THE LIKELIHOOD THAT POLICIES WILL TRANSITION TOWARDS A CITY INCLUSIVE NATURE.
THIS IS THE CULTURE CHANGE TO WHICH I REFER.
WE IN THE TOWNSHIP DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN THE CITY.
WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CHOICE TO LIVE IN THE CITY, BUT WE DO NOT WANT TO BECOME A CITY.
AND THAT'S WHAT EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING.
AND AS I SAID EARLIER, I AM THE TRUSTEE THAT SENT THAT EMAIL ABOUT THE CURRENT SUPERINTENDENT.
AS YOU NOTED, IT WAS DUE TO HAVING A SUPERINTENDENT WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND NOR EMBRACE OUR CULTURE.
WHILE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE LONGEVITY AND THE CONSISTENCY OF HAVING THE SAME SUPERINTENDENT FOR YEARS, I DO NOT WANT IT TO BE A SUPERINTENDENT FROM COLUMBUS WHO MAY BE FRIENDS WITH THE DEC DEVELOPER.
I WANT A SUPERINTENDENT WHO UNDERSTANDS OUR VALUES AND IS WILLING TO FIGHT FOR THEM.
YOU ASK WHAT DOES YES LOOK LIKE? I TOO HAVE ASKED MYSELF THIS QUESTION.
I DO NOT SEE ANY BENEFIT TO THIS PARTICULAR ANNEXATION.
IT WAS SAID THAT MORE HOUSING IS NEEDED, BUT HUMOR HEIGHTS HAS YET TO DEVELOP ALL OF THE LAND THAT IT ALREADY OWNS AND IS VACANT.
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WHY ANNEX DO THAT LAND FIRST? THE SPEED AT WHICH THE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO OUR CULTURE, OUR SCHOOL, AND OUR ROADS.THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING POSITIVE FROM OUR SPEAKERS.
ANNEXATION JUST PITS ONE COMMUNITY AGAINST THE OTHER.
I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT YOU WOULD NOT WANT BETHEL TOWNSHIP MAKING DECISIONS ON HOW TO DEVELOP YOUR LAND.
SO I ONCE AGAIN, RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU REJECT THE ANNEXATION.
NEXT UP WE HAVE JENNIFER DELK.
I WANNA THANK YOU THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING THE ASSISTANCE TO SPEAK TODAY.
I'M LEARNING SO MUCH ABOUT THE COUNCIL'S POINT OF VIEW AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING UP AND SPEAK.
UM, LAST TIME I SPOKE IS REGARDING MY OBJECTION TO THE ANNEXATION FOR CARRIAGE TRAIL 2.0.
UH, MY SPEECH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'VE BEEN HEARING 'CAUSE I THINK THEY'VE COVERED PRETTY WELL.
UH, I'M THANKFUL TO HEAR THAT SOME ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED SINCE.
SO THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THOSE.
IN MY SPEECH I'VE MENTIONED DEUTERONOMY 2019 THAT SPOKE ABOUT SPARING TREES AS YOU CAPTURE A CITY BECAUSE YOU CAN BENEFIT FROM THEM.
CURRENTLY, MORE FARMERS ARE SELLING THEIR LAND TO DEVELOPERS, MEANING LESS FOOD GROWN NATURALLY.
MAN NEEDS FOOD, WATER, AND SHELTER TO SURVIVE.
THESE ARE BASIC NEEDS FOR EVERY HUMAN BEING.
YET HUBER CITY CODE 1180 1.19 PROHIBITS INDIVIDUALS WITH LESS THAN AN ACRE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AGRICULTURAL ANIMALS.
EVEN THOUGH ANIMALS LIKE CHICKENS, PIGS, GOATS ARE SMALLER SIZE THAN MOST DOGS AND DO NOT REQUIRE AN ACRE TO CARE FOR THEM.
I PROPOSE CITY CODE 1180 1.19 BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE AN EXCEPTION FOR SMALLER AGRICULTURAL FARM ANIMALS.
IF APPROPRIATE LAND SPACE IS AVAILABLE, WE CAN SIT HERE AND DISCUSS THINGS LIKE NOISE.
BUT HOW IS ONE NOISE ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER? WHETHER IT'S SOMEONE PLAYING A BAND, THE TRAFFIC, A BUNCH OF BARKING DOGS.
MOST FARM ANIMALS ARE ACTUALLY QUIETER THAN THOSE LISTED.
WE COULD DISCUSS MILLS, BUT WE HAVE CARGILLS AND POLLUTION.
BUT EVEN THE CITY OF DAYTON ALLOWS CHICKENS AND THEIR AND THEIR HOMES ARE CLOSER TOGETHER AND SMALLER YARDS.
WE COULD TALK ABOUT BENEFITS, BUT I'D RATHER TALK ABOUT FREEDOMS. YOU COULD SIT THERE AND SAY, WELL, WE PUT THE VOTE TO THE PEOPLE.
BUT I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU, THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PROPERTY.
THE CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN TO REMIND ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT THEY HAVE LIMITED POWER AND ARE NOT TO INFRINGE UPON AMERICAN RIGHTS.
SUCH WHEN YOU REMIND US WHAT THE ANNEXATION THAT YOU HAVE NO SAY REGARDING PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO I ASK THAT THE CITY CODE BE AMENDED SO CITIZENS CAN RECLAIM THEIR RIGHTS FREEDOMS AND OFFSET THE BENEFITS OF FARMLAND BEING SOLD.
I ASK SO THAT THOSE WHO WISH TO HAVE AGRICULTURAL ANIMALS PENDING THE APPROPRIATE SPACE, BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM.
AND AS I STILL STAND BY MY CONCERNS OF THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE COUNTRY BEING DESTROYED, TRAFFIC INCREASE AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE FIRST RESPONDING STAFFING AT THE HOMES THAT WILL BE BUILT.
I FIND IT NAIVE TO GO INTO THIS CLAIMING ITS VACANT LAND, AS I HEARD IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING, AND NOT BE PROPERLY PREPARED FOR THE FALLOUT.
IT BETTER, BETTER FIRST RESPONDER STAFFING AMENDMENT TO THE HUBERS HEIGHTS CITY, CITY CODE.
AND BEING FORTHRIGHT TO THE LONG TERM COST OF MAINTAINING THE ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS WHAT I ASK.
YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE TONIGHT.
YOU ARE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO THAT AND VOTE.
JUST LIKE WE COME AND VOTE FOR YOU GUYS, WE HAVE A CHOICE.
YOU HAVE A CHOICE TONIGHT JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN DO IT, SHOULD YOU DO IT.
AND I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE ON ONE SIDE, I HAVEN'T HEARD TOO MANY EXCEPT ONE GENTLEMAN THAT TOOK A LOT OF GUESTS TO COME UP HERE AGREEING.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE ON YOU GUYS TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
BUT I'D APPRECIATE IF YOU GUYS CAN GET THE CITY CODE CHANGED.
WE ARE NOT VOTING TONIGHT, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
NEXT UP WE HAVE ALICIA FURLONG.
I DID MOVE AWAY FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS.
MOVED HOME WITH MY DAUGHTER AND MY KID AND MY TWO ADULT SONS AND TOLD 'EM WHAT A WONDERFUL PLACE HUBER WAS.
I RAISED THESE KIDS, UM, IN SOME PRETTY ROUGH PARTS OF TAMPA, FLORIDA DURING AN ACT OF OPIATES, ADDICTION, UH, THAT I, I HAD AND THAT I SUFFERED FROM.
AND I TOLD THESE KIDS ABOUT THIS BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL SMALL TOWN, THIS PEACEFUL TOWN, THIS GREAT TOWN WHERE YOU COULD BE A WAYNE WARRIOR AND YOU COULD BE A WINNER AND A CHAMPION AND AND
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THESE RURAL COMMUNITIES THAT SURROUNDED US IN THESE FANTASTIC PARKS.AND WE GET HERE AND I FIND MY HOMETOWN IS JUST ANOTHER VICTIM OF SPRAWL YET AGAIN.
UH, IT, THE SCHOOLS ARE TRASHED.
WAYNE AND HUBER IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE.
THAT'S WHY THOSE PEOPLE WANNA MOVE TO CARRIAGE TRAILS FOR BETHEL SCHOOLS 'CAUSE THEY'RE STILL GOOD.
BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST, I UNDERSTAND THEY NEED TO GROW.
I UNDERSTAND THEY NEED TO REACH 50,000, BUT DO YOU HAVE TO DESTROY SOMEONE ELSE TO GET THERE? DO YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BAD? YOU KNOW, DR.
AIKENS, YOU ASKED ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS, SIR.
CIVIL RIGHTS TO ME ARE LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
AND ALTHOUGH WE HAVE THAT, WE'RE TAKING AWAY THAT FOR THE BETHEL PEOPLE, THEY DON'T WANNA LIVE LIKE WE LIVE AND WE'RE IN CRINGING UPON THEM.
AND AS FAR AS HE CAN SELL HIS PROPERTY TO WHOEVER HE WANTS TO, THAT DEVELOPER WANTS TO BE HUBER SO HE CAN JAM MORE PER SQUARE ACRE OR SQUARE FOOT OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.
AND AND IT'S BASICALLY LIKE A LITTLE CHILD THAT RUNS TO YOU AND SAYS, WELL, UM, MOMMY OR DADDY, CAN I DO THIS? 'CAUSE THE OTHER ONE SAID NO.
SO WE'RE GONNA REWARD PEOPLE FOR THAT BEHAVIOR.
I DON'T KNOW, NUMBERS, I DON'T KNOW, MILLAGES AND TIPS AND ALL THESE GRAND CRAP THAT YOU THROW AT PEOPLE TO JUST BOG 'EM DOWN AND BORE 'EM AND CAUSE 'EM TO LEAVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE 'EM THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA LISTEN ANYWAY.
I'VE PLAYED WITH SOME OF YOU ON THIS VERY FIELD BEFORE.
MAYBE NOT IN A CITY WAY, BUT IN A HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, UH, A GOVERNMENT WAY.
UH, I, I KNOW HOW THIS GAME PLAY IS PLAYED.
WHAT I'M URGING IS THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT MINDLESS ZOMBIES, THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT DRANK THE KOOL-AID, PLEASE LOOK AT IT IN A BIG PICTURE.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT WHAT KIND OF TAXES WE CAN PULL IN.
THIS IS ABOUT WE'RE TAKING SOMETHING FROM OUR NEIGHBOR.
AND I'M PRETTY SURE WE WERE TAUGHT IN KINDERGARTEN, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP OUR HANDS AND OUR FEET TO OURSELVES, AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD PEOPLE.
AND WHEN YOU TAKE SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT YOU TO TAKE, IT'S CALLED ONE OF TWO THINGS, THEFT OR RAPE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BE EITHER ONE OF THOSE.
OKAY, MR. MAYOR, COUNSEL, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I'M DEALING WITH A, A SLIGHT MEDICAL ISSUE, BUT, UM, I THINK I CAN GET THROUGH THIS.
UM, THE LAST TWO LADIES ACTUALLY PROVIDED ME A NICE, UM, SEGUE TO A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.
AND THAT IS, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, THIS COUNCIL HAS THE POWER TO DECLINE THIS ANNEXATION BY LAW.
'CAUSE I HEAR A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT LAW AND, UH, WE ARE NOT DOING THIS ANNEXATION.
IT'S THE DEVELOPER AND IT'S THE LANDOWNERS.
UH, BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, HUBER HEIGHTS HAS THAT POWER TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TO DISREGARD THAT ANNEXATION REQUEST.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I'M SURE ARE GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT CON CONTROVERSIAL.
CONTROVERSIAL, UM, BUT I THINK THAT THEY'RE IMPORTANT.
I THINK THE RESIDENTS NEED TO KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS.
UH, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, THIS ANNEXATION STARTED, AT LEAST THE DISCUSSIONS HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS BEGAN IN, I BELIEVE, 20 21, 20 22.
DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS, HAS ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL PRIOR TO THAT, UM, ANNEXATION REQUEST, BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY MEETINGS BEHIND THE SCENES WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WITH MEMBERS OF BETHEL, UH, TOWNSHIP, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY PRIOR TO THIS FIRST BEING BROUGHT UP TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL OF HUBER HEIGHTS? YEAH, ACTUALLY, UM, THE VERY FIRST TIME THAT WE MET, WE MET WITH, UM, UH, THE, WHO, IT WAS BETH.
IS THAT RIGHT? HAMPTON JUSTICE.
SO, AND, UM, ANDY, I FORGET WHAT WAS ANDY'S LAST NAME? ANDY? YEAH.
HE WAS THE TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR FOR BETHEL.
SO THEY ACTUALLY REQUESTED A MEETING WITH US,
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UM, ABOUT THE ANNEXATION.AND WE DID, WE DID HAVE THAT MEETING AND THAT WAS KIND OF WHEN, UH, THE OLDER COUNCIL WAS THERE.
SO WE DID, WE DID HAVE THAT MEETING.
AND AS WE DISCUSSED IT AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, UM, THERE, THERE WASN'T, UM, THERE WASN'T A HUGE DISAGREEMENT.
I MEAN, THEY CLEARLY SAID THAT THEY, UM, WOULD PREFER THAT IT NOT HAPPEN.
AND WE ACTUALLY, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE DISCUSSED A TAX SHARING AGREEMENT WITH, UM, WITH BETHEL.
SO IN TERMS OF THE REVENUE COMING IN, WE'D HAVE A TAX SHARING AGREEMENT WITH, WITH THE TOWNSHIP.
AND, UH, WHEN THEY LEFT, THEY WERE, THEY WERE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
AND IT WAS THE NEXT DAY, I BELIEVE, UM, MS. FA, MS. FAHER MADE A PHONE CALL BACK, UH, TO THE CITY AND SHE SAID, UM, JUST BEING HONEST, SHE SAID, UM, WE WOULD LOVE THE MONEY, BUT WE CAN'T TAKE IT.
OR I WOULD NEVER GET ELECTED BACK INTO OFFICE AGAIN.
SO, YES, THAT, THAT CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE, THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENED.
UM, AND I THINK WE CAN SEE THAT SHE WASN'T UP FOR REELECTION THIS LAST TIME, BUT THE TWO OTHER TRUSTEES THAT, THAT WERE UP FOR REELECTION, THEY WERE, THEY WERE VOTED OUT.
BUT THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT TOOK PLACE.
IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENED.
THEY WERE INTERESTED IN THE MONEY AND THEN THE POLITICS TOOK OVER AND SHE SAID IF THEY TOOK THE MONEY, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET ELECTED AGAIN.
THAT, THAT MEETING DID HAPPEN.
AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT A PUBLIC MEETING.
THAT WAS A, A PRIVATE MEETING.
THAT WAS A PRIVATE MEETING AT THEIR REQUEST WITH THE CITY MANAGER, MYSELF AND MR. CAMPBELL AND MR. CAMPBELL.
UM, THEY, AGAIN, THEY REQUESTED THE MEETING, WE ATTENDED WITH THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME.
AND JUST, JUST A CURIOUS QUESTION, WHY WAS, WHY WERE THERE NOT MORE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, ASIDE FROM A QUORUM, UM, INVITED TO THAT MEETING? WHY? WAS IT JUST YOU AND MR. CAMPBELL AND YEAH, IT WAS THE CITY MANAGER DURING THE, DURING THE DAY, AND THAT'S WHO THEY REQUESTED.
UM, ALSO, UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
DO, UM, HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL RECEIVED PERSONAL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS? YES, I HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYONE ELSE? NO, SIR.
MR. CAMPBELL, YOU HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY FROM THIS DEVELOPER OR MEMBERS OF THIS FIRM? NOT THAT I RECALL.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO BIG ONES, RIGHT? YOU, YOU, EVERY WEEK, EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT, ASK ME ABOUT CAMPAIGN DONATIONS ON FACEBOOK.
AND I'VE ANSWERED THAT OPENLY AND HONESTLY, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ANNEXATION SPECIFIC TO DUE DILIGENCE, YOU'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
IF NOT, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE FINISHED.
SO, MAYOR, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DO BELIEVE THAT IT IS DIRECTLY IM IMPACTED AND IT IS DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH ANNEXATION.
WELL, THE ONLY TIME IT'LL BE INVOLVED WITH ME IS IF THESE EIGHT COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN'T MAKE A DECISION AND THE TIE VOTE RESTS WITH ME.
OTHERWISE, I DON'T HAVE ANY SAY IN THIS.
APPARENTLY YOU DO BECAUSE YOU'RE IN MEETINGS BEHIND THE SCENES AT THAT ARE NOT IN THE PUBLIC FORUM AT THE BETHEL TOWNSHIP TRUSTEE AND ADMINISTRATOR'S REQUEST.
IN FACT, UH, I, JUST TO BE TRANSPARENT, TODAY, I GOT A, I GOT A MESSAGE FROM, UH, THE MAYOR OF NEW CARLISLE AND THEIR CITY MANAGER, AND THEY REQUESTED TO MEET WITH ME AND OUR CITY MANAGER, AND I SAID YES.
SO I'LL BE IN THAT, I'LL BE INVOLVED IN THAT MEETING AS WELL NEXT THURSDAY AT APPLEBEE'S AT 11 O'CLOCK IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US.
ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS INVITED TO THAT? OR JUST EVERYONE INVITED? THEY DIDN'T REQUEST ANY OTHER, THEY REQUESTED MYSELF AND OUR CITY MANAGER BECAUSE IT'S THEIR MAYOR AND THEIR CITY MANAGER.
UM, NEXT, UH, ANYONE, UH, ON THIS COUNCIL, PERSONAL FRIENDS WITH ANY MEMBER, PARTNER OF THIS DEVELOPMENT FIRM THAT IS GOING TO DO THIS ANNEXATION, SAY, TAKE VACATIONS WITH THEM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
RANDY, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS.
WHY NOT? WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS.
SO I THINK EVERYONE, EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
THIS HAS ALL BEEN VETTED PUBLICLY.
THERE WERE NO ILLEGAL TRANSACTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT WAS EVER COMBINED.
MR. I WOULD SUGGEST MR. CAMPBELL IS PROBABLY THE MOST SINGLE VETTED PERSON IN THE CITY OF C HEIGHTS.
AND NOTHING, NOTHING HAS BEEN FOUND OF ANY IMPROPRIETY OR ANY ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU TRY TO KEEP PERPETUATING.
NOW I HAVE, UM, I'VE HAD LUNCH MEETINGS WITH KEN CONAWAY, UM, WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE
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ATE LUNCH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED UP AT, UH, CARE TRAILS, WHAT'S GOING UP THERE.BUT I WOULD NOT CONSIDER, UH, MR. KEFFER OR MR. CONWAY A PERSONAL FRIEND.
I'VE NEVER BEEN TO THEIR HOUSE.
THEY'VE NEVER BEEN TO MY HOUSE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PORTRAY HERE, BUT IT'S JUST INACCURATE.
SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU AGAIN, YOU WEREN'T HERE IN THE BEGINNING WHEN I TALKED ABOUT CIVIL DISCOURSE, SO YOU MISSED THE ETIQUETTE PORTION OF THE MEETING.
SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DUE DILIGENCE REPORT, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THOSE, ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT IT.
WELL, I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION.
WELL, I I THINK THEY DO KNOW WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO MAKE IT A PUBLIC QUESTION.
AND I'VE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION OVER AND OVER PUBLICLY.
SOCIAL MEDIA, EVERY, EVERY TIME THAT YOU ASK, I ANSWER IT THE EXACT SAME WAY.
AND IT'S BEEN PROBABLY FOUR TIMES, NOT EVERY FRIDAY.
SO JUST ABOUT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
UH, SO YOU DO HAVE THE POWER TO VOTE NO ON THIS ANNEXATION.
AND FROM WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ANNEXATION THAT YOU'VE HAD BACK DOORS, MEETINGS, UM, THAT WERE NOT IN THE PUBLIC FORUM, THAT DID NOT INVOLVE ANYONE OTHER ON COUNT.
ANYONE ELSE ON COUNCIL OTHER THAN YOURSELF AND MR. CAMPBELL AGAIN AND THE CITY MANAGER.
SO AGAIN, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU SAY IT, THAT MEETING TOOK PLACE AT THE REQUEST OF A BETHEL TOWNSHIP TRUSTEE.
AND AT THAT TIME, THE TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR, THEY ASKED FOR THE MEETING WHEN WE ATTENDED, AND THAT WAS ALMOST TWO YEARS BEFORE IT WAS BROUGHT INTO THE PUBLIC.
YOU HIJACK THEIR HIJACK IN AUSTIN.
I'M SORRY, YOU'RE HIJACKING OUR TIME ALSO.
WE DID HAVE, UH, ONE ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, REQUEST TO SPEAK.
CINDY SCHWARTZ, SUPER HEIGHTS RESIDENT CARE TRAILS ONE RESIDENT.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF QUESTIONS.
UH, ONE OF MY MAIN QUESTIONS I WOULD SAY IS, SO FOR THE CRA, 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.
UM, THE CRA IS LIKE, IT PRETTY MUCH TAKES AWAY THE TAX FOR THE AREA, CORRECT? YES.
A PRE 94 CRA ABATES TAXES FOR 15 YEARS.
SO DO WE KNOW, LIKE, IS THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT TAX ABATEMENT? YES.
BECAUSE WHAT I READ THROUGH OHIO LAWS IS THAT FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT TAX ABATEMENT, YOU HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD OR THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN GENERAL.
THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT ACCURATE.
SO WE, WE DO CRASS IN THE CITY, UH, BEFORE CRAS ARE ATTACHED TO THE LAND.
AND ANYTHING THAT'S PRE 1994 OF A CRA, WHICH THIS PARTICULAR LAND WOULD BE PART OF AN EXTENSION OF THE CRA THAT'S, THAT ALREADY EXISTS THERE BY FEDERAL LAW MAY THAT PROHIBITS OR THAT ABATES THE TAXES A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR 15 YEARS.
NOW, IF WE WERE ASKING FOR TIFF MONEY FOR, UH, ANY MORE THAN A 10 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME, THEN YES, THAT REQUIRES SCHOOL BOARD APPROVAL,
I'LL GO BACK AND, AND LOOK AT THAT.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN THE HOUSING SURVEY NE UH, BEEN DONE OR ANYTHING WITH PICTURES OR IS FOR THE CRA? I'M NOT SURE.
I AN I'M NOT FOLLOWING THE QUESTION.
DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER? SURE, YEAH.
IF YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
UM, SO, UM, THE REASON THEY CALLING A PRE 94 VERSUS A POST 94 CRA MM-HMM.
THE LEGISLATION DO NOT NEED SCHOOL BOARD APPROVAL.
UH, POST 94, THAT'S WHEN THE RULES CHANGED.
THAT, UH, YOU DO NEED SCHOOL SCHOOL BOARD APPROVAL FOR, UH, A HUNDRED, WELL, MORE THAN 75%, UH, EXEMPTION.
WE WOULD NOT NEED TO DO A HOUSING, UH, SURVEY ON THIS, UH, AREA IN ORDER TO, UM, UM, EXPAND AN EXISTING CRA.
IF WE WERE TO CREATE A NEW ONE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, THE WHOLE PROCESS OF, OF PUTTING TOGETHER THAT, THAT, UM, DUE DILIGENCE REPORT AND SUBMITTING IT TO THE STATE.
BUT SINCE AN, UH, A CRA ALREADY EXISTS, THAT'S NOT NECESSARY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT APPLYING FOR A NEW CRA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS JUST EXTENDING AN EXISTING THAT WAS PRIOR
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THE 9 94.YEAH, WE'VE GOT SEVEN CRAS, UH, IN THE CITY.
ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE PRE 1994.
WE'RE ONE OF THE FEW CITIES THAT HAS STILL HAS THAT TOOL.
AND WITH THAT CRA, THAT IS AGAIN, UM, A TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM THAT TAKES ALL OF THE TAXES.
SO IN JUST A CRA DISTRICT, BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS, FOR INSTANCE, WOULD GET NOTHING.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, SO THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT CORRECT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, SO YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE LAYOVER OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
SO THE NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY IS WHAT'S BEING ADDED ON TOP OF THE CRA, THE CREATION OF THE NCA CHARGES, AN NCA FEE EQUIVALENT TO THE ACTUAL PROPERTY TAX THAT I WAS JUST REFERRING TO THE CRA JUST RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN I'M GONNA GO TO THE NCA TO INCORPORATE 'EM BOTH TOGETHER.
SO, BUT THE CRA IS JUST WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
THE CRA WOULD MAKE IT TO WHERE, NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NCA YET, THAT BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS WOULD NOT GET ANYTHING FOR 15 YEARS, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO WITH THAT, THE NCA IS, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, AGAIN, I'M JUST A REGULAR CITIZEN LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, THE NCA WOULD THEN HAVE A BOARD OF TRUSTEES, UM, COUNCIL WOULD BE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.
UM, THE, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES WOULD EVENTUALLY BE CITIZENS THAT ARE ELECTED.
BUT WE'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW IN THIS DUE DILI DUE DILIGENCE REPORT THAT WE'RE GONNA CHARGE, WHAT WAS IT, SEVEN, 7,000 FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FEE.
IS, IS THAT WHAT WAS IN THE DUE DILIGENCE? DO YOU, DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST KIND OF ROUGHLY EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IF YOU, WELL, I, I DON'T WANNA GET AHEAD OF HER QUESTION.
SO THE, THE, THE CHARGE THE NEW COMMUNITY, SO LET ME STEP ONE BACK REAL QUICK.
WHAT WE WERE TASKED STAFF WAS TO, UM, NOT ONLY DO THE DUE DILIGENCE, BUT HELP SOLVE FINANCIALLY SOME OF THESE ISSUES COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, ASSIST THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH THE NEW BUILDING, UH, AS WELL AS, UM, A NEW FIRE STATION, ET CETERA.
SO THIS IS ONE, THIS IS THE PROPOSAL THAT, THAT WE ARE THAT ONE WAY TO ATTACK THIS.
AND, UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSAL THAT, THAT WE LIKE, THAT WE CAME UP WITH WE BEING STAFF.
SO WHAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THE CRA, UM, BE ESTABLISHED, WHICH, WHICH EXEMPTS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TAX ON REAL PROPERTY IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THE NEW COMMUNITY FEE WOULD BE LAID OVER THAT.
AND IT'S BASICALLY EQUIVALENT TO THE SAME AMOUNT, UM, THAT SOMEBODY WOULD BE PAYING IN PROPERTY TAX.
SO I THINK WE'RE, UH, IT'S 57 MILLS.
UM, AND SO THAT, THOSE THAT FUND THE CHARGE WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY, LIKE SOMEBODY IS PAYING PROPERTY TAXES, THE SAME WORKS OUT TO BE ABOUT THE SAME COST.
THAT CHARGE THEN GOES INTO A NEW COMMUNITY FUND, WHICH THEN WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED.
ONE OF THE TASKS THAT COUNCIL GAVE STAFF WAS CAN YOU MAKE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WHOLE, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WOULD GET WHAT THEY WOULD, WHAT THEY NORMALLY WOULD'VE RECEIVED.
WE ALSO THEN CAN COVER DEBT SERVICE ON A NEW FIRE STATION AND OTHER, WHATEVER OTHER COMMUNITY FACILITIES COUNCIL DECIDES THEY WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH.
NOW, WITH THAT, AT ANY TIME, UM, LET'S SAY YEAR FIVE IN THE, UM, NCA, THE TRUSTEES DECIDE THAT THEY DON'T WANNA PAY THAT MUCH IN FEES.
UM, THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TO CHANGE THAT AROUND, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THEY, THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE HOW MUCH BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS COULD ULTIMATELY GET.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WITH THE CRA, WE'RE NOT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ARE NOT PAYING THE TAXES.
BUT IN THE NCA, WE ARE KIND OF USING THEM FEES AS TAXES.
THAT EQUIVALATE TO, I THINK YOU SAID MONTGOMERY COUNTY TAXES.
SO IT, THE, THE NCA CHARGE, AS IT'S, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING IT, IS THE EQUIVALENT OF PAYING PROPERTY TAXES.
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UH, IT'S SIMILAR TO LIKE A TIFF WHERE IT WOULD JUST GO INTO A SEPARATE FUND.THE, IN THIS CASE IT'S A NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY FUND, WHICH, UM, COUNSEL AS WELL AS THE, THE, THE, THE AGENTS OF THE NEW CON NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY WOULD HAVE, UH, CONTROL OVER THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE RATE DISTRIBUTIONS, ET CETERA.
NOW ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE BAKED INTO, UH, AS PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE PACKAGE, IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, THERE ARE OTHER FINANCING MECHANISMS THAT WE CAN STILL GET TO THIS KIND OF SAME, GO DOWN THE SAME PATH.
BUT THIS SEEMED FROM STAFF'S PERSEC PERSPECTIVE, UH, GAVE THE, THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY THE GREATEST FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HEARD OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.
SO THE CRA IS A TAX AB ABATEMENT OR A TAX EXEMPTION THAT'S SET IN STONE, THE NCA WHERE THE CITY BETHEL, UM, HEALTH SERVICES, SO ON WILL BE MADE WHOLE HOLE IS WE'RE JUST ASSUMING WITHOUT, AS, AS AARON SAID, THAT WOULD BE BAKED INTO THE LEGISLATION, INTO, INTO THE ACTUAL NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE PASSED VIA LEGISLATION.
AND AT ANY TIME THOUGH, THE, CAN THE TRUSTEES GO AND TRY TO CHANGE ANYTHING? WELL, THEY COULD, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY, UM, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY FINANCIAL SENSE AT THAT POINT WHATSOEVER, BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD EITHER BE, UH, TAKING AWAY FROM THE REVENUE OF THE CITY AND YOU'D BE TAKING AWAY FROM THE REVENUE FROM THE SCHOOLS.
WELL, I MEAN, LOOK, LOOK AT COOPER HEIGHTS FOR EXAMPLE.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PASS A LEVEE FOR THE SCHOOLS, AND THE SCHOOLS ARE IN REALLY BAD SHAPE.
WE HAVE HUBER HEIGHTS RESIDENTS NOT WANTING TO PUT ANY MORE MONEY INTO THE SCHOOLS.
YOU DON'T THINK THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN IN BETHEL.
SO THIS NCA IT WE'RE SAYING, WHAT IF ON THIS MONEY THAT HOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE BETHEL, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS WHOLE AND MAKE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND CTC AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S IF WE'RE SAYING THAT PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO ARE GONNA BE THE TRUSTEES DO X, Y, AND Z, I THINK THE, THE LEGISLATIVE AGREEMENT COULD PROBABLY HAVE A, A TIMEFRAME BUILT IN THERE TO, UH, WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE, WHERE THE MONEY GOES, WHAT THE DISTRIBUTION IS, WHAT THE AMOUNTS ARE.
IT'S, IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF THING.
WE HAD, UH, IN THAT PRESENTATION, WE HAD $10 MILLION IN YEAR ONE THROUGH 15, ANOTHER $10 MILLION IN YEAR 16 THROUGH 30.
BUT THAT CAN ALL BE CHANGED BY LEGISLATION IN ORDER TO, UM, FRONT LOAD.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE, THE MONEY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, THE NCA TRUSTEES ARE ACTUALLY APPOINTED BY COUNSEL.
SO, UM, AT FIRST AS THAT, NO, AND AS THAT PARTICULAR PIECE GOES FORWARD, THEN COUNCIL, I BELIEVE WOULD BE MAKING SURE THEY'RE PUTTING PEOPLE ON THE BOARD WHO, UM, HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF VISION FOR WHERE THE MONEY'S GONNA GO AND MAKING BETHEL SCHOOLS WHOLE AND CTC AND THE LIBRARY.
AND, AND THE SAME THING WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE EXPECTED REVENUE AND INCOME FOR THE CITY.
BECAUSE FROM WHAT I READ, THE TRUSTEES, THREE TO SIX CITIZEN MEMBERS, UM, EQUAL PEOPLE TO REPRESENT THE DEVELOPER, UH, EQUALLY, ALL TRUSTEES WILL BE REPLACED BY ELECTED CITIZENS AND HAVE TO LIVE IN THE ANNEXED AREA.
AND HUBER CAN CHANGE THAT BY RESOLUTION ON HOW THEY SELECT TRUSTEES.
SO IT'S GONNA BE ELECTED PEOPLE, UNLESS YOU ALL AS A WHOLE DECIDE TO CHANGE, TO CHANGE THAT.
UM, SO IT'S JUST TO ME THAT THE CRA IS JUST A FLAT OUT LIKE, HEY, NOT PAYING ANY TAXES.
AND THEN THIS NCA IS KIND OF LIKE, UH, WELL, IF EVERYTHING GOES X, Y, AND Z AND THESE TRUSTEES DO THIS AND WE DO THIS, THEN THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, REGAIN THIS MONEY.
AND THIS IS HOW MUCH EXACTLY THE FEE IS GOING TO BE FOR 30 YEARS.
AND IT, I DON'T KNOW WHY, WHY BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS WOULD EVEN WANT YOU GUYS TO PUT A CRA HERE, BECAUSE THAT'S PROMISING THEM ABSOLUTELY NO MONEY.
BUT THEN YOU GUYS SAYING, HEY,
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WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU SOME MONEY, BUT THEM ARE JUST WORDS, THE CCRA FLAT OUT JUST TAKES IT AWAY.SO IF, IF THE RESIDENTS OF BETHEL HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE CRA, WE COULD GO BACK TO THE STANDARD TIFF.
WE COULD GO BACK AND, AND INSTITUTE A STANDARD TIFF AGREEMENT THERE.
BUT, BUT THE, LET'S LOOK AT THE FLIP SIDE.
IF WE INSTITUTED A TIFF, WHICH WE'VE SEEN THE NUMBERS, THE REVENUE IN THE TIF FOR THE CITY IS A LOT MORE THAN WHAT THE CRA IS.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, THERE ARE REGULATIONS ON HOW TIFF MONEY CAN BE SPENT.
SO IF WE PUT A TIFF ON IT TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE FOR THE CITY, THERE'S $20 MILLION GOES AWAY FOR ANY FUNDING, FOR ANY TYPE OF BUILDING OR A NEW SCHOOL, BECAUSE THAT ISN'T ALLOWED VIA TIFF LEGISLATION.
SO THE CRA CAME ABOUT WITH AN NCA BECAUSE THE PEOPLE UP HERE DO HAVE A DESIRE TO GIVE SOME MONEY TO BETHEL SCHOOLS TO HELP WITH THE FINANCING OF A NEW BUILDING TO HELP SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING AWAY THE TAXES AND THE CRA, THAT'S WHY WE'RE GIVING IT.
WE ARE, WE HAVE, THIS IS THE FINANCING MECHANISM, AS AARON MENTIONED, TO BE ABLE TO WORK TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
IF, IF PEOPLE ARE WORRIED THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND WE JUST PASS TIF LEGISLATION, THEN THE $20 MILLION GOES AWAY BECAUSE WE CAN'T GIVE THE, THE SCHOOLS ANY MONEY.
BUT IT HELPS THE REVENUE SIDE FOR THE CITY.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE CHOSE TO DO.
OKAY, TIFF, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE GETTING MONEY.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.
JUST LIKE WHAT THEY'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE GETTING FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN PROPERTY TAXES EVERY YEAR STARTING LAST YEAR WHEN THE, WHEN THE MONEY GOT UP.
AND I'VE ACTUALLY, I'VE HEARD THE TREASURER OF THE BETHEL SCHOOLS AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE BOARD MEETINGS ACTUALLY SAID, THIS IS WHAT THAT TIFF PROVIDES.
BETHEL SCHOOLS IS ONE OF THE MOST GENEROUS TIFFS THAT SHE'S EVER SEEN.
THOSE WORDS CAME OUT OF THE TREASURER'S MOUTH.
SO YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD INSTITUTE ANOTHER TIFF AND THEY WOULD GET THE SAME TYPE OF PROPERTY TAX THAT WAY AS WHAT THEY DO OFF THE CURRENT ONE, WHICH IS GENERATING ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE'D BE PAYING IN THE NCA, WHAT WHAT IS PROJECTED IS THE SAME AS WHAT THE PEOPLE WOULD BE PAYING IN PROPERTY TAXES.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT I FEEL LIKE THE REASON WHY WE'RE GIVING MONEY TO BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS AND THE NCA IS BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THE MONEY THAT THEY WOULD RECEIVE OUT WITH THE CRA.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GIVING IT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING IT SO WE CAN GIVE THEM $20 MILLION OR MORE IF THIS COUNCIL DECIDES FOR THE BUILDING.
THAT'S THE ONLY MECHANISM THAT WORKS UNDER, OKAY.
AND JUST ANOTHER QUICK, 'CAUSE I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST GONNA BE GOING ROUND.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT THE, YOU KNOW, AS IT'S, AS IT'S SAID, IT'S $10 MILLION ONE THROUGH 15 YEARS, AND THEN THE 16 THROUGH 30 IS THE OTHER 10.
HOW DOES THAT HELP TOMORROW? HOW DOES THAT HELP IN FIVE YEARS WHEN WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 500 STUDENTS? SO THAT JUST SHOWS THE MONEY AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
SO AS WE'VE STATED HERE BEFORE, THROUGH LEGISLATION, THIS COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO FRONT LOAD MONEY, BACK LOAD MONEY.
MAYBE IT'S $2 MILLION A YEAR, MAYBE IT'S NOT $1 MILLION A YEAR.
THAT CAN ALL BE DONE AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WORK WITH THE BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD ON, ON WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE, BASED ON WHAT THE GROWTH OF IT, OF, OF THE SCHOOLS OR WHAT THE GROWTH THAT THEY'RE GONNA SEE.
SO JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS IN THAT PRESENTATION, THAT'S JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE PRESENTATION, THE DUE DILIGENCE, THE ASSUMPTION.
BUT LEGISLATION CAN BE PASSED TO CHANGE THAT MONEY WHEN AND HOW IT GOES INTO EFFECT.
SO IN, BECAUSE THE LAST THAT IT WAS, SPOKE ABOUT THIS ON COUNCIL, YOU SAID THAT IT ELIMINATES THE OVERCROWDING PROBLEM AND IT ELIMINATE, ELIMINATES THE SAFETY ON THE ROAD PROBLEM.
SO I WAS WONDERING HOW IT'S GOING TO, HOW IT'S GONNA DO THAT NOW, IS HUBER GONNA PUT ITSELF IN DEBT TO GIVE THAT MONEY AHEAD OF TIME TO BETHEL? THERE ARE.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE CURRENT TIFF REVENUE THAT, THAT, THAT THAT COMES IN THAT WE CAN USE TO, TO, TO REFINANCE THINGS.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE, THE DETAILS OF THAT.
I'M, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THOSE THINGS DON'T NEED TO BE WORKED OUT, BUT THAT MONEY EXISTS AND COUNCIL, UH, CAN PASS THE LEGISLATION TO DO THAT.
WE BOND, WE BOND DEBT ALL THE TIME TO PROVIDE SERVICES BECAUSE WE HAVE REVENUE STREAMS, UH, TO PAY FOR THAT.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON A GOVERNMENT CENTER IN A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
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I JUST THINK ABOUT ALL THE MONEY THAT BETHEL WOULD NEED UPFRONT, LET'S SAY IN, IN FIVE YEARS.AND I DIDN'T REALLY SEE THAT COMING OUT IN NUMBERS.
WHAT WE WOULD BE GETTING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT FEE THAT WE WOULD BE CHARGING.
CLEARLY THEY WOULD FINANCE, I MEAN, SOME, SOME PEOPLE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO GO PAY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR HOUSE UPFRONT CASH, BUT MOST PEOPLE GET A MORTGAGE.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE SAME THING THAT, THAT BETHEL SCHOOLS HAVE TO DO FOR A BUILDING.
THEY WOULD FINANCE THAT THROUGH BONDS.
AND THEN THE, THE PAYMENTS THAT WE ARE MAKING TO BETHEL SCHOOLS COULD BE USED TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE, COVER THE DEBT SERVICE ON THOSE BONDS.
WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT BETHEL GO OUT AND TAKE 30 ALL, ALL $30 MILLION OR WHATEVER IN THEIR CASH BALANCES AND, AND BUILD A NEW SCHOOL.
THEY WOULD MORTGAGE IT THROUGH BONDS JUST LIKE THEY'VE DONE THE OTHER BUILDINGS, JUST LIKE PEOPLE DO THEIR HOMES.
SO THEY'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO ADD ON TO WHAT THEY HAVE EXISTING, LIKE BY LIKE TAKING SOME MONEY.
'CAUSE AS REGAN SAID, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT JUST GONNA GO AND TAKE MONEY TO BUILD A NEW SCHOOL THAT IS ALREADY GONNA BE FILLED PRIOR TO IT EVEN FULLY BEING DEVELOPED.
BUT THEN ALSO, I, I JUST DON'T, YOU CAN'T PROJECT OR PREDICT THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THEY'RE GONNA BE AT THE SCHOOL FROM WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS SAYING.
LIKE, YOU JUST CAN'T SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE 500 KIDS, WE THINK IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA BUILD OUT EVERYTHING.
IT'S, THEY SAY IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO HAPPEN THAT WAY.
SO I THINK, SO I THINK EVERYBODY, THERE ARE LOTS OF, THERE'S LOTS OF DOCUMENTATION ON THE BETHEL SCHOOL WEBSITE REGARDING ENROLLMENT.
EVERYBODY SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.
UM, JUST SO, SO WE ALL KINDA KNOW THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, BETHEL SCHOOLS, THIS WAS REVISED SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2023 FROM 2003 AND 2004 SCHOOL YEAR, THEY HAD ENROLLMENT OF 944 THROUGH 2022 AND 2023, THAT NUMBER, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE DOCUMENTS OFF THE BETHEL SCHOOL'S WEBSITE.
IT WAS LAST YEAR IN 20 22, 20 23 THAT THE NET ENROLLMENT WAS ACTUALLY 164 STUDENTS.
IF I READ THESE NUMBERS AGAIN, I DIDN'T MAKE THESE UP.
THESE ARE NUMBERS ON THIS REPORT THAT I PRINTED FROM THE BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS.
NET ENROLLMENT LOSS OR GAIN IN 2003 WAS 0 0 4 0 5.
IT WAS NINE NEGATIVE TEN TWO THOUSAND 1213.
THIS IS WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THE EFFECTS OF CARRIAGE TRAILS WAS POSITIVE.
IT WAS POSITIVE 1 19, 20 17 AND 18.
82 20 18, 19 POSITIVE 1 39 2019 20 POSITIVE 1 0 3, 20 20 AND 2021.
IT WAS ONE 13 AND 2022 AND 23, IT WAS 1 64 AND 23 AND 24.
THOSE NUMBERS AREN'T, HAVEN'T BEEN CALCULATED YET.
AND THIS WAS A REVISED, UH, ON SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2023.
I PULLED THIS DIRECTLY OFF OF BETHEL'S LOCAL WEBSITE, BE THE POOLS WEBSITE.
I MEAN, SOME OF THAT TIME IT WAS, WHAT WAS IT? BENCH ROCK.
AND THEN, UH, DECK TOOK OVER IN WHAT? 2007? 2008? NOPE, 2010, 11 IS BASICALLY WHEN THE FIRST HOUSE THAT STARTED BEING BUILT.
AND WE WERE HAVING SOME PROBLEMS THEN ABOUT THE DEVELOPER SAYING THAT HE WAS GONNA PULL OUT, UM, BECAUSE THE HOUSING MARKET WASN'T WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
AND THEN WE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, MONEY THAT WE WERE BASICALLY HELPING THE DEVELOPER WITH TO KEEP THE BUILDING GOING.
SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THE BUILDING WAS SLOW.
NO, THAT, BUT SEE, THAT'S NOT TRUE EITHER.
THE, THE REASON THAT WE WERE SUBSIDIZING THE DEVELOPERS IS BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER TOOK ON $12 MILLION OF DEBT FOR THE ROAD THAT IS NOW CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY.
THAT'S THE REASON WE WERE SUBSIDIZING.
'CAUSE THEY TOOK $12 MILLION OF DEBT OFF OF THE CITY'S BOOKS.
SO THEY'RE AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME WHEN THIS STARTED.
AND, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT BENCH ROCK ALL WE WANT, BUT WE CAN'T HELP THAT THAT DEVELOPER, UM, FILED BANKRUPTCY AND, AND WENT OUT OF BUSINESS AND DEFAULTED ON THEIR LOANS.
I DIDN'T TO FIFTH THIRD BANK DIDN'T BRING THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
SO THE CITY PUT THAT MONEY INTO A ROAD TO HELP DEVELOP THAT.
AND WHEN THAT BANKRUPT, WHEN THAT DEVELOPER WENT BANKRUPT, WE HAD A $12 MILLION ROAD TO PAY FOR THAT LAND COMPANY TOOK THAT $12 MILLION OFF OF THE CITY BOOKS.
THAT'S WHY WE SUBSIDIZED MONEY FOR THEM.
NOW, THE LAST SUBSIDY ENDED WHEN I BECAME MAYOR.
2018, I BELIEVE WAS THE LAST TIME WE PAID A SUBSIDY TO DECK.
AND THEY BUILT 2018 THROUGH, CURRENTLY THEY'VE DONE IT ALL SELF-FUNDED
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ASSESSMENTS.THE PEOPLE THAT BUILD THERE, THEY KNOW WHAT THOSE ASSESSMENTS ARE.
THEY MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE IN THERE AND PAY THOSE ASSESSMENTS.
THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN FUNDED SINCE 2018.
THE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY ABOUT A HUNDRED TO 120 HOMES PER YEAR.
SO EVEN WITH A HUNDRED TO 120 HOMES PER YEAR, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE SCHOOL OF NET ENROLLMENT IN BETHEL OFF OF THEIR OWN REPORT.
AND THOSE NUMBERS RANGE FROM 2011 TO NEGATIVE 10, 119.
IN FACT, THERE'S ONLY BEEN FOUR YEARS OVER A HUNDRED STUDENTS.
SO AGAIN, THOSE, THOSE AREN'T NUMBERS THAT I'VE MADE UP.
I'VE TAKEN THAT FROM PUBLIC INFORMATION OFF OF THE BETHEL SCHOOL DISTRICT WEBSITE.
IF WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS DATED FOUR ONE OF 24, SHOULD I GO SIT UPDATE IF YOU'D LIKE TO, IF, IF YOU'RE NOT FINISHED, THANK YOU.
CERTAINLY CAN, CAN SAY THEM MORE.
SO ENROLLMENT, THIS WAS UPDATED ON FOUR ONE.
AGAIN, ANYTHING THAT I'M MENTIONING AND SPEAKING OF IS TAKING OUT THE BETHEL LOCAL WEBSITE.
ENROLLMENT IN AUGUST OF 2023 WAS 2002.
STUDENTS ENROLLMENT IN MARCH OF 24 WAS 1977.
SO THIS YEAR THERE'S BEEN A NET GAIN LOSS OF STUDENTS, NOT A GAIN OF STUDENTS, ACCORDING TO THEIR NUMBERS, NOT OURS.
IT'S NOT A HUGE DIFFERENCE, BUT IT'S NOT GROWTH IN STUDENTS OVER THIS PAST SCHOOL YEAR.
IT'S NEGATIVE STUDENTS OVER THIS PAST SCHOOL YEAR LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, WHICH IS THE REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER LOOKING AT THEIR NUMBERS.
THEY HAVE ALL THEIR ENROLLMENTS FROM THEIR GRADES, YOUNG FIVES, KINDERGARTEN CLASS OF 2036, UP THROUGH THE CLASS OF 2024, THAT COHORT THAT JUST GRADUATED.
SO EVERY YEAR YOU GOT ABOUT 130 TO 150 KIDS WHO ARE LEAVING THE DISTRICT.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NET GAIN OF KIDS THAT ARE COMING IN, YOU HAVE TO MAKE UP MORE THAN THE KIDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY LEAVING.
NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THE KIDS THAT LEAVE THE DISTRICT EVERY YEAR ONCE THEY LEAVE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY'RE DONE.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, THIS WAS MONTHLY ENROLLMENT CURRENTLY VERSUS ENROLLMENT IN MAY OF 2023 FROM A CLASS OF 2031 THROUGH 2036, THAT'S KINDERGARTEN THROUGH FIFTH GRADE.
THERE'S BEEN A NET INCREASE OF 57 STUDENTS AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH IS THE CLASS OF 20, 28, 29, AND 30 GRADE SIX, SEVENTH AND EIGHTH.
A NET GAIN OF 14 STUDENTS AT BETHEL HIGH SCHOOL, CLASS OF 24, 5, 6, AND SEVEN.
THAT'S NINTH, 10TH, 11TH AND 12TH GRADE.
THERE'S BEEN A NET GAIN OF MINUS EIGHT STUDENTS.
SO THOSE ARE NUMBERS THAT ARE BASED ON THAT.
ALSO, THERE ARE STUDENTS WHO IN THEIR ENROLLMENT ALSO GO TO CTC.
THERE ARE QUITE A BIT OF STUDENTS AT BETHEL THAT ATTEND CTC.
SO THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY BEING EDUCATED IN THE BETHEL SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THEY'RE MOVING AND THEY'RE GOING, THEY'RE NOT MOVING, BUT THEY'RE BEING EDUCATED.
THEY'RE LEAVING AND GOING TO CTC, WHICH IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE FUND CTC.
AND THAT IS ALL PART OF OUR PROGRAM IN THE DUE DILIGENCE REPORT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE CTC IS FUNDED.
SO THAT PIECE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDED THAT ALONG WITH THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICE LEVIES AND MAKING SURE THAT BETHEL SCHOOLS GETS EVERY PENNY THEY WOULD'VE GOTTEN AS JUST AS IF IT WERE PROPERTY TAXES.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, UH, THERE'S BEEN A NET GAIN FROM MAY OF 2023.
AND AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST UPDATED ON THE BETHEL WEBSITE OF APRIL 1ST, 2024.
SO ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, THERE'S BEEN A NET GAIN OF 63 STUDENTS FROM MAY OF 2023 TO THE CURRENT ENROLLMENT OF 1977.
SO WE CAN SLICE AND DICE HOWEVER WE WANT.
IF WE KNOW THERE'S BEEN ABOUT 12 OR 1300 HOMES BUILT IN CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE, AND WE HAVE A NET GAIN OF ABOUT 950 STUDENTS, WELL THAT'S JUST DIVISION MATH.
THAT'S, THAT'S LESS THAN ONE STUDENT PER HOME WHO'S ENROLLING IN THE BETHEL SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE HAVE TO DETERMINE, AND AGAIN, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BUILD THERE.
BUT AGAIN, ALL THIS IS BASED OFF OF ASSUMPTIONS BECAUSE IT'S PART OF A DUE DILIGENCE REPORT THAT WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER.
IF WE ASSUME THE SAME NUMBERS OR EVEN ONE ADDITIONAL PERSON, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 1,480 KIDS.
AND IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN PAST HISTORY OF CARRIAGE TRAILS.
ONE, WE WOULD GET A MUCH BIGGER GAIN OUT OF CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO PER HOUSEHOLD THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE.
SO WE HAVE TO DETERMINE IS THAT A REAL NUMBER OR IS OR OR IS THAT A FAKE NUMBER? AND WE KNOW IN LISTENING TO ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS, MR. KLER WAS THERE AND THEY TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE AVERAGE STUDENT NUMBER WAS PER HOUSEHOLD WHEN YOU ACCOUNTED FOR THE SENIOR HOUSING THAT WAS THERE AND WHEN YOU TOOK IT OUT.
AND I THINK THE BIGGEST NUMBER PER STUDENT, PER HOUSEHOLD AT THAT TIME DURING THAT PARTICULAR MEETING, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WAS ABOUT, AND THAT WAS BEFORE THE BIG GAINS OF 164 KIDS.
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THAT NUMBER PER HOUSEHOLD WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 0.56 STUDENTS PER HOUSEHOLD, I BELIEVE.UH, SO SOMEBODY CAN CHECK ME ON THAT NUMBER IF YOU WANNA GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THAT PARTICULAR SCHOOL BOARD MEETING, UM, TO, TO GET THAT NUMBER.
BUT THAT'S THE NUMBER I BELIEVE THAT WAS DISCUSSED FROM THE DEVELOPER WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
UH, THE DEVELOPER IS OFFERING THE LAND FOR FREE, THAT 18 ACRES.
UM, IT IS ALWAYS MUCH CHEAPER TO BUILD UP THAN IT IS OUT.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE BETHEL SCHOOL AND I SEE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT IS, TAKES UP ABOUT 15, 16 ACRES OF FOUNDATION TO BUILD THAT IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IT IS TO BUILD A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT FOUNDATION AND BUILD UP THAN OUT.
SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS, AND I THINK WE AGREED THAT COUNCIL HAS NO PROBLEM LOOKING AT ENGINEERS TO HELP VALUE ENGINEER.
WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO HELP THE BETHEL SCHOOLS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM VALUE ENGINEER BUILDINGS, UH, HELP DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT, THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP, TO HELP ALONG THAT PROCESS.
UM, THERE WAS A STUDY THAT WAS DONE, AND I BELIEVE MS. REESE PUT THIS TOGETHER, BUT THIS WAS A PRESENTATION THAT WAS DONE.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN GET THIS OFF OF THE BETHEL SCHOOL WEBSITE.
THIS WAS A PRESENTATION THAT WAS DONE IN DECEMBER OF 2018.
I'D ONLY BEEN THE MAYOR FOR 11 MONTHS.
I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CARRIAGE TRAILS.
TWO, I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ADDITIONAL ACRES.
WE WERE STILL DEALING WITH THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENTS FROM 20, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THE PAST DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS FROM CARRIAGE SHELLS ONE.
SO I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT CARRIAGE SHELLS TWO IN DECEMBER OF 2018.
AND THIS IS A PROJECTED ENROLLMENT SPRING SWING SPACE AND PERMANENT SPACE.
SO I I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT SCHOOLS CAN'T BE BUILT RIGHT NOW FOR STUDENTS THAT AREN'T THERE.
BUT IT IS A LITTLE FRUSTRATING ON, ON MY PART.
AND I THINK MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCILORS PART WHERE WE'RE BEING BLAMED FOR, UH, INEFFICIENCY IN OVERCROWDING SCHOOLS.
AND BACK IN 2018, THEY DID A BETHEL ENROLLMENT HISTORY AND THEY DID A, UH, PROJECTION THAT WAS DONE AND GIVEN THAT A PRESENTATION AT A BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD MEETING.
AND IT HAS THEIR NUMBERS FROM 2008 2009, CURRENT ENROLLMENT TO WHAT PROJECTED ENROLLMENT WOULD BE ACTUALLY THROUGH THE YEAR 2037 AND 2038.
BACK THEN IN 2018, THEY PROJECTED TO HAVE 3,559 STUDENTS IN BETHEL SCHOOLS.
SIX, THIS IS NOW WELL OVER SIX YEARS AGO.
SO OVER SIX YEARS AGO, THEY PREDICTED 3,500 STUDENTS.
AND MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WELL, WHAT HAS, WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO PREPARE FOR THAT? THOSE NOTE, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
'CAUSE I, I KNOW YOU PUT THIS REPORT TOGETHER ALSO AS A, AS A NOTE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS PLEASE GO TO ABOUT THE WEBSITE SO YOU CAN PULL THIS DATA OUT.
2022 IS PROJECTED START OF HOME SALES IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS ANOTHER 650 ACRES OF HOUSES PROJECTED TO BE BE DONE IN 2033.
THE BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD, OR AT LEAST MS. REESE KNEW OR HAD INFORMATION SIX YEARS AGO THAT THIS WAS COMING WELL BEFORE I DID, I HAD NO IDEA.
I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT A CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO BACK THEN, BUT SOMEBODY DID.
'CAUSE IT'S RIGHT HERE IN THIS REPORT ON THEIR WEBSITE, PROJECTED 3,600 STUDENTS.
THERE'S ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE MADE AS WELL, BECAUSE THIS WAS A REPORT TO TRY TO SHOW FUTURE PROJECTION.
THE ASSUMPTIONS, THEY LIST ITEMS ONE THROUGH 14, ITEM NUMBER 11, ANY DEVELOPMENT WILL RAMP UP AT ROUGHLY THE SAME RATE AS CARRIAGE TRAILS DID STARTING IN 2011.
1000 ACRES WILL TAKE AN ESTIMATED 15 YEARS TO BUILD OUT BASED ON CARRIAGE TRAILS COMPLETING IN 12 YEARS.
NOW, THIS ISN'T A THOUSAND ACRES.
THIS NEW PROPOSED ANNEXATION IS ONLY 296, BUT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A THOUSAND ACRES.
AND I THINK MAYBE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION BECAUSE IF YOU ADD THE CURRENT CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE ALONG WITH THE CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO PROPOSAL, THOSE TOTAL ABOUT A THOUSAND ACRES.
BUT IT WASN'T AN ADDITIONAL THOUSAND ACRES.
SO I DO BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE WAY THIS REPORT WAS GENERATED.
UH, ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL TAKE THREE TO FOUR YEARS TO RAMP UP WITH NO NEW HOMES FOR SALE FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS.
SO ALL THE PROJECTIONS, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WERE, ARE TALKED ABOUT IN THE GROWTH OF WHAT CARES TRAILS AND WHAT THE BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS WOULD BE, SOME PEOPLE HAD A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING WELL BEFORE WE DID ON THIS COUNCIL.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THEY PROJECTED 3,600 STUDENTS, 3,559 STUDENTS IN THE YEAR 2037 AND 2038, WHICH IS JUST ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 13 YEARS FROM NOW OR SO.
SO THESE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.
THESE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN EXPECTED.
NOT ONLY EXPECTED, THEY WERE PROJECTED BY AN ACTUAL BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER AT THE TIME.
AND NONE OF THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT SINCE.
I'LL COME TO YOU IN A SECOND, MS. REESE.
SO, UM, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION YEP, PLEASE, PLEASE COME THE PODIUM.
WELL, I WANTED TO PRE, AND I DID PREFACE THAT BY SAYING, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD A SCHOOL WITHOUT STUDENTS.
AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN BUILD A SCHOOL WITHOUT STUDENTS IS
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IF YOU HAVE A BIG BAG OF MONEY SITTING THERE.SORRY, I HAD TO SEND THAT THROUGH THE TRANSLATOR.
A BIG BAG OF MONEY SITTING THERE TO BUILD THAT SCHOOL, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL STILL.
SO, UM, AND THERE'S NO MONEY SITTING AROUND, YOU KNOW, IN THE SCHOOL COFFERS TO DO THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY EVEN THOUGH WE FELT THAT THIS WAS COMING, CARRIAGE TRAILS 2.0, NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT UNLESS YOU HAVE A BACK OF MONEY SITTING THERE.
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS.
AND, AND, AND I'M, I'M NOT FINDING FAULT OF ANYBODY 'CAUSE I'M NOT ON THE BOARD.
I'M JUST TRYING TO PRESENT THE NUMBERS AS THE BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD PRESENTS THEM ON THEIR WEBSITE IN TERMS OF THEIR ENROLLMENT NUMBERS AND, AND, AND THEIR DOLLARS BASED ON INFORMATION WE'VE GOT OFF OF THE MIAMI COUNTY TAX AUDITOR'S WEBSITE.
AND BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW GOING FORWARD.
SO AGAIN, THE TIF REVENUE WOULD, THE TIF REVENUE HELPS THE CITY MUCH MORE THAN WHAT THE CRA AND THE NCA DOES.
BUT THAT ELIMINATES US BEING ABLE TO GIVE THE SCHOOLS ANY MONEY TO HELP WITH THEIR OVER ACCOUNTING PROBLEM.
FROM A TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE, THE, THE LAND THAT THE DEVELOPER'S GIVING WOULD BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, ALMOST BORDERING CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE AND CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO.
SO MANY, MANY, MANY OF THOSE STUDENTS CURRENTLY IN CARRIAGE TRAILS THAT ARE GOING TO THE NEW ELEMENTARY THAT'S SO OVERCROWDED, WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GO TO THAT BUILDING AND THEY'D BE ABLE TO WALK, TAKING AWAY A LOT OF THE BUSING NECESSITIES AND BUSING REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT NEW SCHOOL.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
AND THEN THAT WOULD FREE UP AGAIN, OVER TIME, THE AMOUNT OF STUDENTS THAT ARE GOING IN THE CURRENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT'S BEEN BUILT, THAT IS, THAT IS OVERCROWDED.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, YEAH.
IS IT A, UM, IS IT A CATCHALL SOLUTION? NO, BUT I THINK IT CERTAINLY DOES HELP WITH WHAT THE PROBLEM CURRENTLY IS.
I THINK IT HELPS WITH THE PROBLEM THAT IT CURRENTLY EXISTS WITH OVERCROWDING AND IT PAVES A WAY TO HELP WITH ANY NEW STUDENTS THAT WOULD BE COMING IN IN THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE THING.
SO IF YOU DON'T DO A CRA THOUGH, YOU HAVE THE POSSIBILITY STILL OF DOING AN ASSESSMENT ON THOSE HOUSES, WHICH WOULD, COULD PRODUCE THE SAME THING.
RIGHT? THAT'S A LEGAL WAY TO, TO GET MONEY, LIKE FOR A SCHOOL OR A FIREHOUSE OR SOMETHING.
SO IF I'VE ASKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST, THE, THE LEGALITY PIECE OF THAT, I, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST KNOW THAT OUR, OUR BOND COUNCIL JUST AN OPTION YEAH.
IS CLEARLY EXPLAINED TO US WHAT THE, THE NCA AND THE CRA IS.
AND IN FACT, THIS WAS TAKEN AND THIS IDEA WAS TAKEN OUT OF PRECEDENT FROM WHAT THE VILLAGE OF NEW ALBANY DID.
AND THAT'S IN THE DUE DILIGENCE REPORT.
THE VILLAGE OF NEW ALBANY IN COLUMBUS ACTUALLY BUILT A NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL AND A NEW HIGH SCHOOL WITH THE ACTUAL, UH, NCA FEES WITH THE NCA MONEY.
SO WE KNOW THAT IS NOT A LEGALITY PROBLEM.
JUST SAYING IF YOU WANTED ALTERNATIVES TO THAT, THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE OF DOING AN ASSESSMENT ON THE RESIDENCES.
IS THERE, UM, BUT THOSE NUMBERS DON'T SHOW, LIKE THE OVERCROWDING THAT WE HAVE IN OUR ELEMENTARY WHERE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ROOM FOR SENSORY ROOMS FOR THE SPECIAL ED KIDS.
IT DOESN'T SHOW THE HALF WALL PARTITION THAT DIVIDES ONE OF THE BROOM CLOSETS, IF YOU WILL.
SO WE COULD GET THE 28 KIDS IN THERE WITH THE YOUNG FIVE PROGRAM.
IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT NOW WE'VE HAD TO CUT THOSE YOUNG FIVE KIDS.
AND THE YOUNG FIVE PROGRAM IS A PROGRAM WHERE WE DO THE SCREENING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL ELIGIBLE KINDERGARTNERS, BUT IT'S THOSE THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS. THEY'RE PROBABLY PRETTY YOUNG FOR KINDERGARTEN.
THEY, UH, THE TEACHERS WILL SCREEN THEM, FLAG 'EM, AND WORK WITH THE, THE PARENTS AND THEY GET 'EM INTO THESE PROGRAMS. AND ACCORDING TO THE TEACHERS, WE'RE NOW GETTING DATA THAT SHOWS THAT THOSE KIDS ARE EXCELLING WHEN THEY COME INTO, UH, KINDERGARTEN.
'CAUSE IT'S HELPING PREPARE THEM AND MOVE 'EM IN THERE.
THOSE NUMBERS DON'T SHOW ALL THAT.
THOSE NUMBERS DON'T SHOW THAT WE HAVE TO, WE JUST, UM, INCREASE.
WE, WE ONLY HAD A 45 MINUTE BLOCK FOR OUR MATH TEACHERS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND OUR, OUR MATH STATS ARE NOT THAT GREAT WHEN THEY COME IN THERE.
AND SO WE'VE BUMPED UP TO A 90 MINUTE BLOCK.
SO WE HIRED TWO OR THREE MORE NEW MATH TEACHERS, BUT WE HAD NOWHERE TO PUT THOSE CLASSES.
AND SO THOSE NUMBERS DON'T SHOW THAT WE HAD TO GO OVER TO THE OLD ELEMENTARY BUILDING.
AND NOW THEY HAVE TO WALK FROM THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO A, AN ENTIRE NEW BUILDING AND TRANSFER CLASSES AND THEN COME BACK TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
THOSE NUMBERS DON'T SHOW ALL OF THAT.
AND AND WE ARE TRYING TO CONVEY TO YOU BY DOING THIS, IT IS, IT IS HURTING OUR KIDS AND IT'S PUTTING A HUGE BURDEN ON US.
AND THE, AND THAT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE, THAT DEVELOPER WANTS FIVE HOMES ON ONE ACRE.
WE'D RATHER HAVE ONE ACRE ON FIVE OR ONE HOME ON FIVE ACRES.
BUT THAT'S NOT LUCRATIVE ENOUGH.
AND SO ALL YOUR, I I UNDERSTAND THAT ALL THOSE NUMBERS SAY ONE THING OR EVEN IF YOU INCREASE IT, 60 KIDS IN OUR SCHOOL, THAT'S TWO TO THREE NEW CLASSROOMS THAT DON'T EXIST.
WE DON'T HAVE THOSE CLASSROOMS TO PUT THOSE EXTRA KIDS IN.
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A LIST OF, OH, UM, HIRES.WE HAD, I THINK 28 ADDITIONAL HIRES TOTALING $2 MILLION THAT WE NEED JUST TO KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THE GROWTH THAT'S GOING ON JUST NOW.
AND SO WHEN YOU ASKED WHAT DOES YES LOOK LIKE, THIS IS WHAT YES LOOKS LIKE.
AND IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE A MESS.
AND NOW WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, WE HAVE TO TAKE, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO PUT IN, UM, SOCCER FIELDS AND STUFF BEHIND OUR ELEMENTARY BUILDING.
NOW WE CAN'T BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE TRAILERS HAVE TO GO.
THE TRAILERS HAVE TO BE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE BUILDING.
'CAUSE LAST TIME WE HAD TRAILERS, THERE'S NO INTERCOM SYSTEM.
SO THERE COULD BE AN EMERGENCY GOING ON INSIDE THE SCHOOL.
THE KIDS OUT IN THE TRAILERS WOULD NEVER KNOW THAT.
AND THEN THEY WOULD COME INTO SOME SORT OF HARM'S WAY INTO THE FACILITY.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT THOSE TRAILERS AND THEY'RE ALL GONNA HAVE TO GO THERE.
OUR NEW KINDERGARTEN CLASS KEEPS GOING AND GOING GOING, IT'S UP TO 178 KIDS.
WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT MANY BEFORE.
AND WE, AND, AND, AND IN A BUILDING A BRAND NEW BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY TOO SMALL, BUT WE ONLY BUILT WHAT WE COULD AFFORD FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
'CAUSE I'M NEW ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, BUT WE ONLY BUILT WHAT WE COULD AFFORD.
AND IT WAS ALREADY TOO SMALL BY THE TIME IT GOT DONE, BECAUSE THEY KEEP COMING AND COMING.
OR THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE SPEAKERS.
WE WENT FROM 104 TO I THINK 304 OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
THOSE KIDS ALL HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE TOO.
AND THEN THEY HAVE SPECIAL PROGRAMS AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE PULLOUTS AND ALL OF THAT.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MIGHT THINK THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE SMALL, BUT THEY'RE HUGE.
AND THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF IMPACTS THAT'S GOING ON IN OUR SCHOOL.
AND THAT'S WHY WE FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS JUST DON'T CARE, REALLY.
DON'T, I MEAN, IT IS AFFECTING THEIR EDU AND IT'S NOT JUST THIS YEAR BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER SAID, WELL, IT'S GONNA HURT FOR A WHILE.
IT'S GONNA HURT FOR A LONG TIME.
'CAUSE YOU SAID THIS ALL STARTED IN 2011.
WE'RE IN 2024 AND IT'S STILL HURTING.
AND NOW WE'RE JUST GONNA CIRCLE RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED FROM IN TRAILERS, TWO SMALLEST SCHOOLS.
AND WHO WANTS TO COME TEACH? WHO WANTS TO COME TO BEEL TO TEACH IF THEY'RE TOLD THEY'RE GONNA BE IN AND OUTTA TRAILERS AND THERE'S GONNA BE CONSTANT GROWTH AND THEY'LL NEVER KNOW HOW MANY KIDS THAT THEY HAVE.
THEY, THERE'S POSSIBLE THEY COULD BE UP.
WE WERE UP TO 35 KIDS IN A CLASSROOM ONE TIME.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE NUMBERS DOWN.
AND SO HOW ARE WE GONNA GET QUALITY TEACHERS? AND IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL JUST, IT'S, IT, IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT, THAT, THAT, WHILE THOSE NUMBERS MIGHT SOUND SIGNI OR SIGNIFICANTLY SMALL TO YOU, OR THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A POINT, YOU DON'T SEE ALL THIS OTHER STUFF AND SOMEBODY ELSE COME AND COME AND DO A, UM, A TOUR OF THE BUILDINGS AND LET THE TEACHERS SHOW YOU WHAT THEY GO THROUGH EVERY DAY AND HOW THEY'RE TRYING TO FINAGLE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT EVERYBODY AND DO EVERYTHING.
SO JUST PLEASE CONSIDER ALL THAT, THAT AND, AND, AND ALL THROUGH YOU GUYS TO BUILD.
WE DON'T, WE ARE, WE ARE HAPPY WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
WE ARE, WE ARE FINALLY GETTING TO A STEADY STATE FOR THE MOST PART WHERE WE CAN START TAKING A BREATH.
UM, WE'RE STILL KIND OF BUSTING AT THE SEAMS. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT KNOW WHERE, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF, IF THIS ANNEXATION GOES THROUGH.
UM, SO THIS IS MOSTLY THE, THE CONVERSATIONS REVOLVED AROUND SCHOOLS AND I, I KIND OF NEGLECTED TO TO ADDRESS MUCH OF THAT IN MY EARLIER COMMENTS.
I GUESS I REALLY HAVE KIND OF TWO QUESTIONS.
UM, AND, AND, AND I THINK THE FIRST ONE'S PRETTY, UH, THE ANSWER'S PROBABLY PRETTY OBVIOUS AND, AND PROBABLY REALLY SHORT, DID BETHEL TOWNSHIP'S SCHOOL DISTRICT AT ALL HELP IN THE CREATION OF THIS SOLUTION? UM, NO.
I REACHED OUT TO THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE BETHEL SCHOOLS, AND I THINK HE SAW THE WRITING ON THE WALL, AND HE DENIED MY INVITATION TO MEET ON THREE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS.
UM, AND I THINK OUR, OUR REPORT, AND WHEN I SAY WRITING ON THE WALL, THAT MEANS NOT WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO.
THAT HE WAS GONNA RESIGN OR BE TERMINATED.
UM, AND, AND I GUESS THE, THE, UH, DUE DILIGENCE ANALYSIS ACKNOWLEDGES THAT BETHEL TOWNSHIP, UH, BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS HAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR FACILITIES PLAN AND FOR THEIR STRATEGIC STRATEGY.
UM, AND I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS, HAVE THEY ACCEPTED ANY OF THIS INTO THAT STRATEGY AT THIS POINT? NO.
SO I, I GUESS I WOULD, I WOULD ARGUE THAT IF THE VISION THAT WAS ESPOUSED ON, UM, A BETTER WORKING COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP IN THE FUTURE, UH, SHOULD START NOW.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.
UH, MAYOR, COULD I HAVE JUST A COUPLE MINUTES? SURE.
UH, I'VE TAKEN SEVERAL NOTES TONIGHT.
AND MOST OF MY QUESTIONS WILL BE FOR AARON.
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AARON.UM, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1,480 HOMES AND WE'RE DISCUSSING A HUNDRED TO 120 HOMES BUILT EACH YEAR, UH, THE TOTAL BUILD OUT WOULD BE LESS THAN 15 YEARS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND YOU HAD PUT IN THE REPORT, I BELIEVE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE DISCUSSED IT TONIGHT, BUT THE INCOME TAX THAT WE WOULD COLLECT OFF OF, UH, CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 105 MILLION IN 30 YEARS.
INCOME TAX IS DIFFICULT, UM, TO PREDICT.
UM, SO WE BACKED INTO THAT NUMBER BASED ON THE SALES PRICES AND WHAT WE, WHAT WE THOUGHT AS FAR AS, UM, YEAH.
BASICALLY GROSS AGGREGATING INCOME.
AND IF WE LOOK AT A 15 YEAR OR LESS BUILD OUT AND OVER A 30 YEAR PERIOD, WE'RE GONNA COLLECT ABOUT 105 MILLION.
THE BEST MY MATH IS UP ON THE DAAS, CALCULATING WOULD BE ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
SO WE'RE GONNA COLLECT ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION ONCE THE FINAL BUILD OUT.
AND THE BUILD OUT COULD BE AS SOON AS 10 TO 12 YEARS.
I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER VARIABLES, BUT PROBABLY.
AND, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME OF THE BIG NUMBERS LISTED.
WELL, WE WERE ON, ON ALL REVENUE SOURCES.
UM, PROPERTY TAX, INCOME TAX, ET CETERA.
WE WERE PROJECTING, UM, NEARLY 5 MILLION A YEAR.
SO THREE AND A HALF FOR INCOME TAX.
AND THE OTHER 1.5 MILLION WOULD BE FROM THE NCA, UH, IT WAS, YEAH.
PROPERTY TAX, UM, THE WATER SYSTEM AS WELL AS STORM WATER FEES.
SO LIKE ALL, ALL ENCOMPASSING, NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE USED TO SOLVE THE SCHOOL ISSUE, BUT YEAH.
BUT WE HAVE ABOUT 5 MILLION A YEAR.
UH, YOU HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, UH, AFTER SITTING THROUGH THIS MEETING WHAT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES MIGHT BE.
AND YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO ASK ABOUT YOUR DUE DILIGENCE REPORT IS IF IT'S MARKET DRIVEN OR IF IT'S, UH, STATISTICALLY, UH, PROBABLE IN SOME AREAS.
UH, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU AND I TALK ABOUT LATER.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE NCA BOARD AND THE MEMBERS AND HOW LONG IT CAN BE INITIALLY, IS THERE AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE ENTERED INTO INITIALLY THAT WOULD EXTEND THIS AGREEMENT FOR LIKE 30 YEARS AND IT COULDN'T BE CHANGED FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME? OR COULD A SITTING CITY COUNCIL, UH, LEGISLATE AND CHANGE THAT? SO I DID, I WOULD LIKE TO GET COME BACK TO YOU FOR THAT EXACT ANSWER.
SO I WAS GONNA ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, I WOULD ALSO ASK, BECAUSE THERE IS A VARIANCE BETWEEN TIFF AND THIS NCA.
THERE IS, UH, I, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT.
BECAUSE THERE'S MORE THAN AN NCA WAY OF PAYING FOR A SCHOOL BUILDING IN CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO PROBABLY.
SO I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU AARON, UH, ADMINISTRATOR TO ADMINISTRATOR WITH BETHEL SCHOOLS TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH THEIR CASH CARRYOVER IS AND HOW MUCH IT'S BEEN FOR LET'S SAY FIVE YEARS.
UH, AND THEN FIND OUT MAYBE BY TALKING TO CHRIS, UM, WHAT THE NUANCES MIGHT BE FOR A SCHOOL DISTRICT VERSUS US IN FUNDING AND BUILDING A BUILDING AND WHAT TYPE OF HELP WE COULD LEND.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BUILT A LOT OF BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERTISE IN THAT.
LOOK TO ME LIKE MAYOR TAKING CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE AND DOING IT A SECOND TIME WHERE THE TAXPAYERS WERE GOING TO GET ALL THE BENEFIT AND CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO.
AND THEN YOU CAME UP WITH THE OPPORTUNITY OF HELPING THE SCHOOLS.
AND I REMEMBER THE ONE QUESTION I ASKED YOU AFTER YOU LAID OUT YOUR THOUGHT, COULD THIS ADDRESS SOME OF THE EXISTING ISSUES AND I ISSUES TO COME? AND, AND, AND I THINK YOUR ANSWER WAS YES.
I BELIEVE THAT DEPENDING ON THE BUILDING AND THE NEEDS, I I BELIEVE THAT IT COULD CERTAINLY HELP.
AND AARON, I DON'T BELIEVE THE MAYOR PULLED 20 MILLION OUT OF THIN AIR.
I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AND WHAT 20 MILLION COULD BUY.
UH, THE DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO, UM, DONATE LAND, WHICH WOULD ALSO INCLUDE A PARK.
IT, THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH ACREAGE TO INCLUDE A PARK.
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YEAH.SO, UM, IT WAS THE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, BASED ON THE SCHOOL FACILITY COMMISSION REQUIREMENTS FOR ABOUT THE 650 STUDENT SCHOOL PLUS ADDITIONAL LAND FOR A PARK.
AND THAT THAT'S, WE GOT WOULD BE ABOUT 20 MILLION.
ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE, WE, WE COULD, WE AGAIN, WE SORT OF BACKED INTO 20 MILLION ON THINKING ABOUT THAT, WHAT WE THOUGHT THE COST OF, OF A SCHOOL WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE THOUGHT THE MATCH COULD BE WITH THE OHIO SCHOOL, UH, SCHOOL AT WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED NOW, THE OHIO FACILITIES COMMISSION, IT'S NOT FACILITIES COMMISSION.
UH, AND, AND 20 SEEMED A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR THE DISCUSSION.
AND IF, IF I DID DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ANNEXATION, THE ONE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT MAYBE IT'S MORE THAN 20, AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT BECAUSE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE NEW ANNEXATION, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AS MUCH AS WE CAN AS A CITY.
AND I SAW THIS FACILITY, UH, YOU HAD ENVISIONED BUILDING IT MAYBE IN CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO, BUT REAL CLOSE OR NEXT TO CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE MM-HMM.
THE HOPE WOULD BE A LOT OF THEM WOULD BE ABLE TO, IF IT WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO WALK THERE ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR A LOT OF THE EXTRA BUS AND TRANSPORTATION AND THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND, AND I WOULD ASK MAYOR PUBLICLY THAT I AT LEAST HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND WHATEVER OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND UNDERSTAND YOUR STUDENT NUMBERS BETTER AND FIND OUT EACH YEAR, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE ILLUSTRATED.
IS THAT EVERY YEAR AND DO THEY MULTIPLY EVERY YEAR? OR IS THAT A STATIC NUMBER EACH YEAR? SURE.
AND THEN WHAT I CAN DO, I MEAN, SO THESE NUMBERS RUN BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD, BUT I CAN GIVE THESE TO, UH, SINCE I'VE ADDRESSED 'EM TONIGHT, THEY COULD BE PUBLIC.
I CAN GIVE THESE TO TONY AND HE CAN JUST ADD THESE TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO OUR, UH, AGENDA QUICK AND HAVE THEM SCANNED IN.
SO THEY'D JUST BE READILY AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO VIEW 'EM.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD IN THE PAST, SOME PEOPLE FROM BETHELS HAVE COME TO THE PODIUM AND ASKED, THEY ACTUALLY ASKED US FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY THOUGHT WE SHOULD DONATE LAND OR WE SHOULD GIVE THEM MONEY TO BUILD A SCHOOL.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S KIND OF BEEN AN ASK AND BEEN A REQUEST FROM SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THE PODIUM AND SPOKE.
SO, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT BY DOING THAT, WE WERE HELPING SOLVE SOME OF THAT ISSUE.
AND IN NO WAY WOULD I SIT UP HERE AND DISCOUNT ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID.
I, I TEACH IN A BUILDING THAT IS, UM, VERY, VERY SIMILAR CROWDED HALLWAYS, 30, 32, 33 KIDS IN A CLASSROOM, GOOGLE TRANSLATE ON A DAILY BASIS, KIDS FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES WITHIN THE SAME CLASS PERIOD.
I, I, I TEACH IN THE EXACT SAME KIND OF BUILDING.
AND THAT IS, THAT IS NOT SPECIFIC TO BETHEL.
THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT'S SPECIFIC TO BETHEL.
THAT'S AN ISSUE SPECIFIC TO ABOUT EVERY CITY IN THE, IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
EVERY, EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE STATE OF LAW, UH, THE 1,480 HOMES ON 296 ACRES, MINUS WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DONATE TO THE SCHOOLS, UH, COULD YOU GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER? SURE.
COULD YOU INDEPENDENTLY LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBERS? AND BASED ON YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, IF THAT NUMBER WOULD GO DOWN, IT WOULD JUST BE A MATHEMATICAL EQUATION FROM THERE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND, AND YOU COULD GET WITH US ON THAT AND, AND TELL US WHAT THE NET LOOKS LIKE.
MARK, IF YOU, REAL QUICK, SO ONE OF THE THINGS TO BRING UP TOO IS I THINK WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE SALES PRICES WERE THAT THESE NUMBERS WERE GENERATED FROM.
SO I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT AVERAGE SALES PRICE IN CARE SALES RIGHT NOW, THERE'S ABOUT $480,000.
I THINK ALL OF OUR ASSUMPTIONS AND DUE DILIGENCE WAS BASED ON AN AVERAGE PRICE OF ONLY $405,000.
SO WE WERE VERY CONSERVATIVE IN THE NUMBERS.
SO WE WEREN'T ESTIMATING A $480,000 AVERAGE SALES PRICE.
WE WERE ESTIMATING AVERAGE SALES PRICE OF 4 0 5.
IS THAT THEN, BUT THAT WAS BASED ON HOMES.
IF IT, SO YOU HAVE A HOME PRICE, BUT YOU USE THE 4 14 80 AS THE 4 0 5 PRICE, BUT IT'S NOT 1480 HOMES.
YOU ALSO HAVE APARTMENTS AND TOWN HOMES, WHICH MORE WILL PROBABLY NOT BE 400 AND SOME THOUSAND.
SO WOULDN'T YOU ALSO WANT TO KEEP THAT PRICE TOO? SO I THINK WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE OVERALL PROPERTY TAX ON, ON COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE IS, WHICH AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WOULD BE, UM, THOSE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF THE, THE, THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE ON, ON ON THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT, AT THAT, UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SENIOR FACILITY AND THE CURRENT CARE TRAILS ONE THAT'S STILL A PROP, THAT THAT'S STILL THE OWNERS OF THAT BUILDING ARE STILL PAYING PROPERTY TAX.
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WE HAVE A, UH, SOME SENIOR HOUSING UP THERE THAT ARE EVEN, THEY'RE EVEN RENT CONTROLLED.WELL, PEOPLE THAT OWN THOSE RENT CONTROLLED SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES ARE STILL PAYING PROPERTY TAX ON THOSE.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE CALCULATED AS PART OF THE OVERALL NUMBER.
AARON, SO CARRY TRAILS ONE HAS SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY OR APARTMENTS.
AND THAT BLEND MIGHT EXIST IN CARRY TRAILS TWO? WE WERE ASSUMING SO, AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD TALKING TO YOU, UH, MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS MIGHT GENERATE LESS STUDENTS.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, MULTIFAMILY, UM, DEVELOPMENTS, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, GENERATE LESS KIDS IN SCHOOLS THAN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
COULD YOU WORK WITH THE MAYOR WITH THE NUMBERS HE'S OBTAINED AND COULD YOU COME UP WITH AN ESTIMATE WITH A REALISTIC BUILD OUT OF A HUNDRED TO 120 HOMES A YEAR? HOW MANY ADDITIONAL KIDS WE SHOULD NET IN OUR BETHEL SCHOOLS.
AND, AND I THINK WE DO HAVE, UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME NUMBERS.
I, I KNOW I'VE SEEN A SPREADSHEET THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED NUMBER OF HOMES BUILT AND YEAR X AND THEN WHAT ENROLLMENT INCREASE WAS IN YEAR X AND THE NUMBER OF HOMES BUILT IN YEAR Y NUMBER OF STUDENT ENROLLMENT IN YEAR Y.
SO I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT DATA DOES EXIST.
THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, AT LEAST IF IT, IF WE WERE GOING OFF OF SOME OF THE SAME ASSUMPTIONS, WE'D BE ABLE TO GET TO A NUMBER THAT'S CLOSE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO TWEAK AARON, THE GROSS NUMBER OF UNITS.
THEN I WOULD LIKE YOU TO HAVE A REALISTIC BUILD OUT.
SO IF YOUR MODEL'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED TO 120 A YEAR, AND LET'S SAY IT'S GONNA END UP BEING 1300 HOMES, I'D LIKE YOU TO BUILD A MODEL OF HOW MANY CHILDREN EACH YEAR UNTIL FULL BUILD OUT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE SCHOOLS.
AND THEN YOU CAN WORK WITH THE MAYOR ON WHAT NUMBERS HE HAS ON HOW MANY STUDENTS WOULD DROP, GRADUATE, AND WHAT THAT NET NUMBER MIGHT BE.
NOW, IN ADDITION TO THIS, THE, THE MONIES THAT YOUR REPORT INDICATES, UH, WOULD FUND A FIREHOUSE.
AND THEN IT WOULD FURNISH FIREFIGHTERS.
WELL, SO ACTUALLY THE, THE FIRE STATION, UH, ALONE IS, IS ABOUT, UH, WELL, THE DEBT ON IT WOULD BE, UH, ABOUT 11 MILLION.
11 12 MILLION WITH INTEREST AND EVERYTHING.
UM, HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS? UM, STAFFING WE NEEDED, UH, 15.
1515, UM, PLUS, UH, SIX FOR THE MEDIC IT'S 15 TOTAL.
HOW, HOW MANY, UH, POLICE? NOT NEARLY THAT MANY.
I BELIEVE THERE WERE, UH, 6, 6, 5, 5, 6, 5, 5 6 AND, AND THREE CRUISERS.
AND THEN STREETS, UH, THERE WERE TWO STREET WORKERS AND A PLOW AND TWO PLOWS.
SO, SO YOU FILL, THAT WILL ADDRESS THE ADDITIONAL NEED BECAUSE OF CARRIED TRAILS TWO.
THE STAFF, PUBLIC SAFETY STAFF, PUBLIC WORK STAFF ALL SAT DOWN AND FIGURED OUT BASED ON THEIR VARI THEIR VARIABLES SUCH AS STREET CENTER, LINE, MILES, UM, THE NUMBER OF NEW UNITS, ALL OF THAT, WE TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT TO DEVELOP THE, THE STAFFING PLAN.
I'M VERY INTERESTED IN YOU GETTING BACK WITH US WITH THESE DETAILS AND ALSO FINDING OUT HOW QUICK A SCHOOL COULD BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY IN CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO NEXT TO CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE.
SO WE HAVE QUITE A FEW MEMBERS OF THE SC BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD HERE.
I, I DON'T WANT TO VIOLATE ANY SUNSHINE OR LAWS OR WHATEVER, BUT ARE THERE MEMBERS OF THE BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD WHO'S WILLING TO WORK WITH OUR STAFF AROUND THOSE, AROUND THE FUNDING, AROUND THE FINANCING, AND AROUND TIMEFRAME OF A NEW BUILDING? AND, AND, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I WOULD LIKE FOR AARON TO, TO REACH OUT OR THROUGH AN EMAIL, UM, TO AT LEAST START WHAT SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
I WOULD SAY I'D BE APPEALING, BUT ONLY IF IT HAS TO BE, I'M STILL NOT YEAH.
BUT IF, IF ITS UP HAVING TO BE, THEN YES.
WELL, AND I THINK ACCORDING TO, YOU KNOW, MR. CAMPBELL'S STATEMENT IS, I THINK HE'S ASKING FOR SOME OF THAT INFORMATION BEFORE HE WOULD DETERMINE HOW HE'S GONNA VOTE.
SO, SO AARON, IN ADDITION TO SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, UH, A TREASURER, A SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT, GET THE INFORMATION FROM WHAT, WHATEVER SOURCE YOU CAN TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WE, OUR SUPERINTENDENT IS IN FLU.
SO WE'LL BE BRINGING IN AN INTERIM AT SOME POINT, SO WE'LL BE PART OF IT.
BUT DEFINITELY, UH, TINA
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ABSOLUTELY WANNA, UH, PUT HER IN THE LIST OF THIS OFFICER.YOU KNOW, IF THE BETHEL SCHOOLS HAS HAD $30 MILLION IN CASH RESERVE INVESTED INTO AN INVESTMENT ACCOUNT FOR FIVE YEARS, WE CAN BE PRETTY SAFE TO SAY THEY HAVE 30 MILLION.
UH, IF THAT IS FLUCTUATED FROM 7 MILLION TO 12 MILLION TO 3 MILLION TO 30 MILLION, MAYBE NOT, BUT, BUT ALL OF THAT'S ACCESSED THROUGH THE PUBLIC, RIGHT, AARON? WE WILL, WE WILL DETERMINE THOSE NUMBERS.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW, MAYOR.
UM, SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN A BIG ISSUE, BUT ALSO TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN.
UM, AND I ALSO, I WALK THROUGH CARE TRAILS PRETTY MUCH EVERY MORNING.
BUT, UM, MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE TYPICAL LEAD TIME ON FIXING ANYTHING ON 2 0 1 OR 2 0 2 SPECIFICALLY CARE SHELLS PARKWAY AT 2 0 1? BECAUSE THAT'S A MESS.
UM, AND EVERYBODY WAS CON CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE SPEEDING AND THINGS OF THAT.
THAT'S NOT GONNA STOP PEOPLE FROM SPEEDING.
IT'S NOT GONNA STOP PEOPLE FROM DRIVING RECKLESSLY BECAUSE THEY DO IT ANYWAY.
THEY DO IT DOWN TRAIL BRIDGE WHEN THEY'RE COMING, COMING OUT AT THE CARRIAGE TRAIL AT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
I'M WALKING, THEY'RE GOING 50 MILES AN HOUR DOWN TRAIL BRIDGE.
UM, LET ME NOT, LET ME NOT GO OFF THE RAILS, BUT, UM, WHAT IS THE LEAD TIME FOR A PROJECT TO BE STARTED AND COMPLETED, WHETHER IT BE A ROUNDABOUT, WHETHER IT BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT OR SOMETHING TO FIX 2 0 1 AT CARE TRAILS PARKWAY? UM, IS THAT ANY COST TO THE CITY? IS THAT ALL STATE MONEY? HOW DOES THAT WORK? WELL, SO I THINK WE'VE, WE, WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, UH, THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT 2 0 1 AND CARRIAGE TRAILS.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY UP HERE SUPPORTS GETTING THAT AS FAST AS WE CAN.
UM, SO NUMBER ONE, ONE OF THE BEGINNING DIFFICULTIES WITH THAT WAS WHEN ODOT DID THEIR STUDY, THEY SAID THAT IT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR SINCE 2021.
UM, THEY SAID THAT IT WASN'T NEEDED BASED ON WHAT THEIR STUDIES ARE AND WHAT THEIR REPORTS ARE.
SO IF, IF ODOT DOESN'T SANCTION IT, I THINK THAT'S THE TERM THEY USE.
IF IT'S NOT AN ODOT SANCTIONED LIGHT, THEN YES, THE CITY IS ON THE HOOK FOR FUNDING ALL OF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT ODOT SAYS YOU DON'T NEED.
UH, BUT WE'VE PROGRESSED, MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT.
WE'VE ACQUIRED THE, THE LAND THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT.
AND THAT IS CERTAINLY WITHIN THE PROCESS OF BEING DONE.
AND I THINK WE'VE EVEN SENT THAT OUT TO THE ENGINEERS TO, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO DESIGN WHAT NEEDS TO GO THERE.
SO YES, IT IS A PROCESS AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN BEFORE BRIAN HAD LEFT AND CONVERSATION I'VE HAD RECENTLY WITH JOHN, I THINK WE DO NEED TO, TO LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ENTRANCE EVEN TO EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD IN IN 2 0 1.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT THE CORRECTIONS WITH THE THIRD LANE, I MEAN, THAT IS ALL SHOULD BE COMPLETED WITHIN RUS 45 DAYS FROM NOW.
ABOUT THE, THE STUDY OR WHAT, WHAT DO YOU NO, NO, NO.
THE ACTUAL, THE ROAD, THE ROAD, THE ADDITIONAL ROAD AND ACTUALLY GETTING THE ORANGE BARRELS AND CONES OUT OFF OF OLD TROY AND HAVING THAT REPAVED ABOUT TWO MONTHS, TWO TO THREE MONTHS.
SO, SO WE ARE CLOSING IN LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CLOSER THAN WE'VE EVER BEEN.
SO, SO, SO THAT, THAT'S COMING UP CLOSE.
SO I THINK WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE.
WE'VE HAD SOME DIFFERENT, UM, TRAFFIC STUDIES DONE TO WHAT'S, WHAT OTHER THINGS WE COULD DO.
BUT REALLY IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE CONTROL, RIGHT? WHO HAS THE CONTROL OF THE ACTUAL ROADWAY THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPROVED? IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THE CONTROL OF THAT TIMELINE IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN IF IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE THE CONTROL OVER.
UM, I KNOW ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS TO 2 0 1, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE DID THE, UM, THE REPAVING ON 2 0 2 LAST YEAR, TWO YEARS AGO.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS DONE AND COMPLETED.
BUT THAT'S ON ODO T'S TIMEFRAME.
NOW, THIS YEAR THEY DID 2 0 1 FROM KITTRIDGE UP TO FISHBURG.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF, AGAIN, ON THEIR TIMELINE.
BUT CERTAINLY WE HAVE THE ABILITY WITH OUR STAFF TO, TO SPEAK WITH THOSE.
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT SECTIONS, DIFFERENT REGIONS.
THEY HAVE COORDINATORS OVER EACH ONE OF THOSE REGIONS THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH SPECIFICALLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF BEING PROACTIVE AND NOT REACTIVE.
SO THINGS THAT WE CAN FORESEE MIGHT BE, UH, ISSUES.
THEN WE CAN HAVE STAFF IN OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM AND FIND OUT WHAT IT IS WE'VE GOTTA DO.
BUT WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT WHAT OUR, UH, TRAFFIC STUDIES AND TRAFFIC SURVEYS SAY NEED TO BE DONE.
COUNCIL NEEDS TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH MONEY WE CAN ALLOCATE AND WHAT WE CAN SPEND TO THOSE THINGS.
AND THEN LOOK AT THE TIMEFRAME TO ACTUALLY GET THOSE DONE AND IMPLEMENTED.
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HAS CONTROL OF THE ROAD.MARK, WITH THAT SAID, AARON, UH, BETWEEN YOU AND RUSS AND JIM, CAN YOU UPDATE US ON THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT CARRIAGE TRAILS AND BRENT? YES.
RIGHT NOW OR AT THE NEXT MEETING? AT THE NEXT MEETING.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS COULD JUST GET YOUR NOTES TOGETHER AND, AND LET US KNOW WHEN YOU REPORT BACK WITH THIS OTHER STUFF, PLEASE.
YES, ANITA, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
ERIN, IN THE NEXT REPORT, CAN WE ALSO LOOK AT THE OTHER CITY STAFF WE'RE GONNA NEED? 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE IN TAX DEPARTMENT IF WE'RE GAINING THIS MANY MORE RESIDENTS.
WE WILL, WE NEED MORE PEOPLE IN HUMAN RESOURCES AND SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS.
ARE WE GONNA NEED MORE OF EVERYTHING IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
SO OUR INITIAL CUT WAS THAT WE DIDN'T NEED, UH, NEARLY, WE DIDN'T REALLY NEED, THERE WOULD NOT BE MUCH OF A, UH, A DRAIN OR, UH, ADDITIONAL LOAD ON SORT OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT STAFF.
IT WAS MUCH MORE IN PUBLIC WORKS, FIRE POLICE, OKAY.
ARE YOU GONNA NEED MORE IN TAX OFFICE, JIM? BUT, BUT WE CAN GO BACK AND, AND LOOK, WE CAN GO BACK AND RE-LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHERS.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION THAT SOMEBODY SENT ME IS THEY'RE WANTING TO KNOW IF THIS IS SUCH A GREAT DEAL FOR BETHEL SCHOOLS, WHY HAVEN'T WE WORKED WITH HUBER SCHOOLS TO MAKE THIS KIND OF A DEAL? DON'T, IT'S NOT CHARTER.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING FOR CHARTER, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO TALKING ABOUT A DEAL, IF THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS HAS EVER COME UP IN ANY TRADITIONAL FORM OF FINANCING AND TIF REVENUE.
UH, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY SCHOOL TIFF.
WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY SCHOOL PARTICIPATING TIF.
SO EVERYTHING HAS BEEN A NON-SCHOOL TIF.
SO ANYTHING WE'VE DONE IN DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN NON-SCHOOL, TIFF, THE HEBREW RIGHTS CITY SCHOOLS HAVE GOTTEN EVERY PENNY OF EVERY BIT OF MONEY THEY WOULD'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN.
SO THE REASON THAT WE'RE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT, OR THE SUGGESTION WAS MADE, IS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE BETHEL PEOPLE ASKED FOR, HELP US BUILD A NEW SCHOOL, GIVE US MONEY FOR A SCHOOL.
AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS TO DO THAT.
SO IT ISN'T, IF IT'S SUCH A GREAT DEAL, UM, IT'S WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE LEGISLATION AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S LEGALLY ALLOWED BY LAW TO BE ABLE TO DO.
I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON MR. INGHAM'S QUESTION.
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE ANNEX, UH, WHAT HAPPENS TO, UM, OUR RESPONSIBILITIES WITH REGARDS TO STATE ROUTE 40? SO WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, THE LITTLE CHUNK THAT WE WOULD ANNEX IN.
UH, SO THE DEVELOPER WOULD NEED TO IMPROVE THAT TO, TO OUR STANDARDS AT LEAST.
UH, HALF OF IT, UH, THE ONE, THE ONE BENEFIT UNDER THIS TYPE OF ANNEXATION THAN PREVIOUS, UM, UNDER THE PREVIOUS LAW IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE KNOW CARRIAGE TRAIL, UH, BOTH ON 2 0 1 0 2 0 2, WE ONLY BROUGHT HALF THE ROAD SECTION IN, IN SOME CASES WE DIDN'T BRING ANY OF THE ROAD SECTION IN.
UH, SO THIS WILL HELP ALLEVIATE THAT.
WE'LL HAVE BOTH, UH, BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD WILL BE ABLE TO, TO ADDRESS THAT.
ESPECIALLY 2 0 2 IS MORE OF AN ISSUE AT CARES TRAIL, UH, AND OLD TROY PIKE.
THAT THAT INTERSECTION IS KIND OF A MESS.
UH, AND THIS WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF ANNEXATION WOULD AVOID THAT IN THE FUTURE.
WE WOULD CONTROL OUR DESTINY BETTER THAN WE COULD WITH CT ONE.
I THOUGHT I RECALL YOU, UM, YOU MENTIONING THAT, UH, EVEN TO THE POINT OF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, SET THE SPEED LIMIT.
TOWNSHIPS CAN'T SET SPEED LIMITS.
UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS WITHIN, UM, THAT ODOT DOES HAVE.
'CAUSE IT IS A STATE ROUTE, BUT WE HAVE A MUCH MORE AUTONOMY THAN, UM, IF IT'S OUR PROPERTY, THEN IT WOULD BE IF IT'S IN THE TOWNSHIP.
BUT, UH, JUST A FOLLOW UP COMMENT.
WE'VE, I'VE ADDRESSED THIS BEFORE, BUT YOUR MAYOR'S COMMENT THAT HE IS NOT INVOLVED AND WILL NOT BE INVOLVED, I GUESS, UNLESS THERE'S A TIE VOTE THAT MAY THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.
UH, YET THIS ANNEXATION WAS, THIS IS ALMOST THE SECOND TIME AROUND FOR THE, EXACTLY THE SAME ANNEXATION, UH, FROM A YEAR AND A HALF AGO OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT.
BUT THE FIRST TIME AROUND THE ANNEXATION REQUEST WAS FILED GOING THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESSES, WHICH THERE'S A TIME ZONE LIMIT.
THIS HAS TO HAPPEN, THIS HAS TO HAPPEN.
UH, THE THREE MIAMI COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DID NOT SIGN A NECESSARY DOCUMENT
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AND NOT UNTIL THEY WERE THREATENED WITH ARREST DID THEY SIGN.THEN THE PROCESS CONTINUES, THEN CAME TIME FOR THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE.
YOU CHOSE NOT TO BRING THE VOTE TO THE TABLE? NO, I DIDN'T SEE, COULD BE WRONG HERE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY OBJECTION FROM THE DEVELOPERS.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY LEGAL ACTION FORCING THE VOTE.
WHY AFTER ALL THIS TIME WOULD THERE NOT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIME, ENERGY, MONEY WAS SPENT TO GET IT TO THE POINT OF A VOTE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY COMPLAINTS IN MY VIEW.
UH, WHY WAS THERE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THE THREE MI MIAMI COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, YET THERE WAS NO LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THE CITY OF HUBER OR THE MAYOR OR WHOEVER, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
AND, UH, TO ME, WHAT BETTER WAY TO FIX THE ELECTION HAS HAD NO ELECTION AT ALL.
BUT YET THREE MONTHS LATER, 'CAUSE THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SEPTEMBER OCTOBER THAT THE, UH, THE VOTE WAS CANCELED, YET THREE MONTHS LATER, THREE HUBER HEIGHT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS RETIRED WHO MIGHT HAVE VOTED YES OR NO.
BUT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA PLAY THE ADVOCATE THERE AND SAY THEY WERE GONNA VOTE NO.
UH, THEY'RE OUTTA OFFICE, THEY'VE RETIRED YET TWO MONTHS INTO JANUARY, ALL OF A SUDDEN HERE COMES THIS BRAND NEW ANNEXATION REQUEST.
SO IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE SUSPICIOUS TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY THOSE PROCESSES HAPPEN.
AND FOR YOU TO SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE INVOLVED UNLESS IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA BE THE TIEBREAKER.
SO I DO SET THE AGENDA AND, UH, ALL I, SO WE COULD REHASH ALL OF THIS IF YOU'D LIKE IT.
AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE THAT.
BUT WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS MAYBE YOU CONTACT THE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO AREN'T HERE ANYMORE, AND HAD THEY NOT BEEN PLAYING GAMES AND PICKING WHICH MEETINGS THEY WERE GONNA COME TO AND WHICH MEETINGS THEY WERE GONNA MISS BASED ON WHAT THOSE AGENDAS WERE GONNA BE, MAYBE THIS WOULD'VE BEEN VOTED DOWN A LONG TIME AGO.
BUT BECAUSE WE HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS, ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO REFUSED TO COME SIT HERE AND DO THE JOB THAT THEY WERE BEING PAID MONTHLY TO DO AND THAT THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO, HAD THEY NOT BEEN PLAYING THOSE GAMES, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
AND I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GO OVER THAT WITH YOU BECAUSE THEY HAVE A, ONE OF THEM GOT UP AND WALKED TO, WALKED OUT LIKE THEY WAS GOING TO THE BATHROOM, AND I SAW HIM WALK OUT THE DOOR AND LEFT WHILE THE MEETING WAS ONGOING.
SO IF WE WEREN'T DEALING WITH THOSE KIND OF OBJECTION SHENANIGANS, THEN THIS WOULD ALL BE OVER.
SO, UM, RICHARD SHAW AND
I JUST CONSIDER IT'S QUESTIONABLE IS ALL I'M SAYING.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THEIR, THEIR ACTIONS WERE CORRECT, SO I'M NOT SAYING YOUR ACTIONS WERE CORRECT.
SO I WILL SAY THEIR ACTIONS WERE INCORRECT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO THE JOB THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO.
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO AFFECTED THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTE BY SHIFTING UP AND MISSING MEETINGS.
AND I DO APPRECIATE MS. KITCHEN BECAUSE SHE HAS SAID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, SHE WOULD NEVER MISS A MEETING AND PLAY THOSE KIND OF GAMES.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A COUNCIL UP HERE NOW, UH, WHO WILL MAKE A DECISION BASED ON, ON UH, WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF HEBREW HEIGHTS.
AND IF IT'S A YES, IT'S A YES.
WELL, LIKE I SAY, YOU POINTED OUT THAT MAYBE THEIR, THEIR ACTIONS WERE INAPPROPRIATE.
AND I THINK THE ACTIONS OF YOU TAKING IT OFF THE TABLE IS INAPPROPRIATE.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE INDEPENDENT.
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE REPRESENTED THE CITIZENS AND JUST TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES, THE WAY THEY WERE LAID OUT, THE PROCEDURES CALLED THAT THE TIME RAN ITS COURSE WHERE IT WAS TIME TO VOTE AND DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
IF YOU, YOU, YOU COULD, YOU SET THE AGENDA.
IF YOU WOULD HAVE PUT IT ON THE TABLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR ACTIONS WOULD'VE BEEN.
AND THAT'S, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR ACTIONS WOULD'VE BEEN.
SO, MR. MORFORD, HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE I HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT OF, OF OPINION OF YOURS.
SO FOR MONTHS, WELL, WELL, YOU'VE USED THE TERM CIVIL RIGHTS AND RIGHT TO VOTE.
YOU'VE USED THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
WHO DO YOU THINK EACH ONE OF THESE PEOPLE UP HERE REPRESENT WHEN THEY CAST THEIR VOTE? THAT'S TRUE.
THEY, THEY, THEY REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED THEM.
SO THEY ARE THE VOICE OF ALL THE PEOPLE.
SO WHEN ONE OF THEM PURPOSELY MISSES A MEETING, THEY'RE MISSING THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE FOR THEIR CONSTITUENTS.
SO THAT IS AN ISSUE AND THAT'S WHY I PULLED IT OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY SIX TO 7,000 PEOPLE IN ONE OF THOSE WARDS THAT WEREN'T BEING REPRESENTED WHEN THEY PURPOSELY MISSED MEETINGS.
AND THIS MEETING? YES, WE NEED EXECUTIVE.
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WE LEAVE, TONY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE READ YES.IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSIDER THE DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICIAL UNDER PERSONNEL MATTERS.
WE ARE GONNA ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
OH, UH, YEAH, I'M JUST, I'M TIRED.
IS THERE A MOTION MARK? SO MOVED.
AND SECOND, UH, TONY, CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
WE WILL ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE WILL COME BACK OUT AND LET ANYONE GO IF ANY DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.
KATE IS NOW, UH, 10 22 IN THE EVENING AND WE HAVE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN.
AND AT 10 22 THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.