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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road May 14, 2024 6:00 P.M. ]
I SHALL CALL THE MEETING THE CITY, HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.UH, SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. CASSIDY? HERE.
I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS EXCEPT TO WELCOME EVERYONE.
UH, DOES ANYONE ELSE ON THE DIOCESE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAME? OKAY.
THIS IS A TIME FOR CITIZENS' COMMENTS ON, UM, THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS' COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
WE'LL MOVE ON WITH SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
TO THE FOLLOWING OATHS, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED.
I ASK ANYONE THAT WILL COME UP TO SPEAK AT THE PODIUM TO SIGN IN ON THE SIGN IN SHEET, UH, PROVIDED AND GIVE THEIR NAME.
THE FIRST ITEM IN THE NEW BUSINESS IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, BUCKY'S HUBER HEIGHTS, LLC, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BUCKY'S TRAVEL CENTER, COMPRISED OF 74,000 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE WITH 120 FUELING PUMPS.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 8,000 STATE ROUTE 2 35 DDP 24 0 9.
MR. RELL, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THE PRESENT, YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU.
UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO FOLLOW ALONG, UH, IT IS BROKEN UP INTO THE ZONING DISCUSSION.
UH, AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, UH, SORT OF TOWARDS THE END.
UH, ODOT WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO RUN SOME SIMULATION MODELS FOR US SO WE CAN BETTER VISUALIZE AND ILLUSTRATE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY GONNA OCCUR.
SO THE, UH, SITE IS 39 OR 38.96 ACRES, CURRENTLY ZONED PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
THE EXISTING LAND USE IS AGRICULTURAL.
UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY VACANT GROUND.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 74,000 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE WITH 120 FUELING PUMPS AND 24 TESLA CHARGING STATIONS ON SEPTEMBER 12TH.
THIS BODY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THEN OCTOBER 23RD, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED SAID, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS IS THE SITE LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF I, ESSENTIALLY I 70 AND STATE ROUTE 2 35.
THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW MINOR CHANGES SINCE THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
UH, THE RETENTION POND HAS CHANGED.
THERE'S NOW A THREE BASINS INSTEAD OF TWO, UH, AND THEN THE FIRST, THE MAIN ENTRANCE OR THE FIRST ENTRANCE THAT YOU, UM, GO INTO IS NOW ENTRANCE ONLY.
THE ORIGINAL SITE PLANS THAT WERE, UM, ILLUSTRATED DURING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWED A RIGHT OUT.
UM, BOTH OURSELVES AND ODOT DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS NECESSARY.
UM, SO THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED TO, UH, AN ENTRANCE ONLY, UH, AT THAT SECTION.
SO THE, UH, RETENTION BASINS HAVE CHANGED SLIGHTLY.
UM, THE RETENTION POND TO THE, TO THE SOUTH KIND OF HAS A, A SWOOP TO THE, UH, TO THE WEST.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S A NEW RETENTION POND ON THE NORTH SIDE, JUST, UH, ADJACENT TO THE PARKING LOT ADJACENT TO WHERE THE TESLA CHARGING STATIONS ARE.
THERE WERE, UH, A HANDFUL OF CONDITIONS AS PART OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
UH, THE FIRST CONDITION, I'LL JUST PARAPHRASE, WAS THAT THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO ACE, ASSESS THE HEALTH OF THE TREES, AND THEN INCORPORATE HEALTHY TREES INTO THE LANDSCAPING.
UH, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IDENTIFIES APPROXIMATELY 626 PERIMETER TREES.
I WILL BE HONEST, THAT'S WHEN I STOPPED COUNTING.
UM, THEY ARE SHOWING, UM, 468, UH, TREES TO BE PRESERVED ABOUT 75%, UH, AND THEN 158 TREES, UH, TO BE REMOVED, LARGELY DUE TO GRADING, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR EITHER THE RETENTION BASINS OR, UM, THE, THE WEST AND NORTH PERIMETER.
UH, THIS IS A SNAPSHOT FROM THE, THE, THE PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE THE DARK, UH, THE DARK SPOTS ARE TREES THAT ARE TO BE RETAINED.
YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, THIS IS THE WEST EDGE, OR EXCUSE ME, THE EAST EDGE, UH, OF THE SITE, UM, ALONG THE COUNTY BORDER.
UM, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT PERIMETER TREES THAT ARE REMAINING AS WE HEAD TO THE SOUTH.
UM, YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, ALL OF THE DARK, UH, DOTS ARE EXISTING
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TREES THAT ARE GOING TO, TO REMAIN.AND THAT'S THE SOUTH, UM, RETENTION BASIN.
AND THEN AS WE HEAD TOWARDS 2 35, UM, AGAIN, MOST OF THE TREES ALONG THAT, UM, SOUTHEAST, OR EXCUSE ME, SOUTHWEST EDGE, UH, REMAIN.
THE SECOND CONDITION IS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD WORK WITH STAFF ON PLACEMENT OF, UH, OF STREET TREES AS PART OF THIS, UH, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, THE, THE, I'LL GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL DURING THE LANDSCAPING DISCUSSION, BUT THE STREET TREES IN GENERAL LOOK GOOD.
UM, ONE AREA THAT I'VE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO MODIFY IS TO MOVE THOSE TREES JUST NORTH OF THE FIRST ENTRANCE, UH, OUT TOWARDS THE STREET, 2 35, OR ADD ADDITIONAL TREES THERE.
THERE'S KIND OF AN ODD VOID THAT EXISTS FOR, UM, AN UNKNOWN REASON.
SO IT, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO BALANCE OUT, UM, HOW THE ENTRANCE LOOKS THERE AT, UH, 2 35 ON THE NORTH SIDE.
UH, THE THIRD CONDITION DEALT WITH SIGNS WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT LATER.
UH, AND THEN THE FOURTH CONDITION WAS OUR STANDARD PROHIBITED USES.
UM, IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, UM, WE HAVE STARTED PROHIBITING VEHICLE SALES, SWEEPSTAKES, CAFES, ET CETERA.
UM, OUTDOOR SALES WOULD BE PROHIBITED AND LESS APPROVED BY THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE SITE PLAN DOES SHOW, UM, AN AREA AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING FOR OUTDOOR SALES.
UM, THIS IS A PICTURE OF A TYPICAL, UH, BUCKY'S OUTDOOR SALES ARRANGEMENT.
UM, STAFF FEELS THAT IT'S PRETTY TIDY.
IT'S, UH, THE PRODUCT IS UP AGAINST THE, THE BUILDING WALL.
THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF PEDESTRIAN, UM, SPACE AND ACCESS AND SHOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH, UM, WITH PEDESTRIAN FLOW.
SO STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH PERMITTING OUTDOOR, UM, SALES ALONG THE PERIMETER OF, OF THE BUILDING.
OVERALL, THE, THE SITE PLAN DOES CONFORM WITH THE, UM, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
UH, THE STORE SIZE REMAINS THE SAME, IT 74,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND WALL SIGNS ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS ILLUSTRATED DURING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THE PARKING COUNT REMAINS AT 6 99.
ALL REQUIRED SETBACKS ARE MET.
UM, THE APPLICANT DID MOVE, UH, THE SITE SLIGHTLY TO THE SOUTH TO ACCOMMODATE SOME, UH, GRADING, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THAT NEW SITE PLAN, AS I DISCUSSED, DISCUSSED, UM, DOES, UH, INCLUDE A THIRD RETENTION POND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH OTHER ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, LIGHT AS FAR AS LIGHTING GOES.
UM, THE OVERALL LIGHTING PLAN CONFORMS WITH THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR AVERAGE ILLUMINATION, UH, AND LIGHT TRESPASS RESTRICTIONS.
ALL FIXTURES ARE FULL CUTOFF FIXTURES.
THE LIGHTING PLAN, UH, INDICATES 30 FOOT TALL PARKING LOT LIGHTS.
TYPICALLY, WE SEE 25 FOOT, UM, TALL LIGHTS.
BUT, UM, STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH 30 FOOT TALL PARKING LIGHTS AT THIS SITE.
UH, THERE ARE, IT'S NOT ADJACENT TO ANY RESIDENTIAL HOMES OR APARTMENTS.
UH, AND FRANKLY, THERE'S A HUNDRED FOOT TALL, UH, HIGHWAY LIGHT RIGHT AT THE, UM, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THIS SITE.
ALL OF THE INTERSTATE LIGHTS ARE ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET TALL.
UM, SO, UH, GIVEN THE SITE IS NOT ADJACENT TO ANY RESIDENTIAL HOMES OR, OR APARTMENTS, UM, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH A 30 FOOT POLE OR A A 30 FOOT HEIGHT, INCLUDING POLE AND BASE.
AS FAR AS PARKING GOES, UH, THERE ARE 699 PROPOSED SPACES, WHICH IS MORE THAN THE 600 GIVE OR TAKE THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE ZONING CODE.
THE STALL DIMENSIONS ARE 10 BY 20 AS REQUIRED.
UH, THOSE 6 99 SPACES INCLUDE 11, UM, RV OR BUS SPACES, AND 24 EV CHARGING SPACES.
UH, THERE IS ALSO AMPLE, UH, HANDICAP PARKING AROUND THE, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ADJACENT TO THE THREE, UH, ENTRANCES, UH, LANDSCAPING.
UM, THE FRONTAGE ALONG 2 35 REQUIRES, UH, 30 STREET TREES DEPENDING ON HOW YOU COUNT IT.
THERE ARE ROUGHLY 29 STREET TREES.
AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, UM, I HAVE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO FILL IN THAT VOID ALONG 2 35, UH, NORTH OF THE F UH, THE FIRST ENTRANCE, WHICH, UM, THEY HAVE AGREED TO TO DO AS FAR AS PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING.
I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONE PLAN I'VE SEEN IN THE COUPLE YEARS I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR, UM, THE CITY THAT MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, IN MOST CASES, IT ALSO EXCEEDS THE, THE REQUIREMENTS.
THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPING IS MET THROUGH A COMBINATION OF TREES IN OPEN SPACE.
THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 33 PERIMETER TREES.
IF YOU ALSO GIVE THE APPLICANT CREDIT FOR THE
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460 EXISTING TREES THAT AROUND THE PERIMETER, THEY, THEY FAR EXCEED THE NUMBER OF PERIMETER TREES THAT, UH, THAT IS REQUIRED.UM, AS FAR AS INTERIOR PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING, UH, THERE'S A MIXTURE OF LO PLANTS AND SHRUBS, ALONG WITH A MIXTURE OF, UH, PIN OAK, BLACK GUM, HONEY LOCUST AND, UH, HOFFER HOFFMORE BEAM, UH, TREES, WHICH IS A PART OF THE BIRCH FAMILY, IF YOU WERE CURIOUS.
UH, AND THEN ALL OF THE LOT, UH, LOT ISLANDS CONTAIN EITHER A TREE IN VARIOUS GROUND PLANTINGS.
UH, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW, THE SITE PLANS WE'VE SEEN WHERE IT ACTUALLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENT THAT, UM, THERE BE TWO TREES WITHIN 60 FEET OF, OF EACH STALL.
SO I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING PLANS.
UM, THIS IS THE NORTH, EXCUSE ME, THE, YEAH, THE NORTH, UM, WEST AREA.
SO THE, UH, TESLA CHARGING STATIONS ARE ON THE, UM, LEFT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN.
YOU CAN SEE THE PERIMETER TREES ARE ABOUT 40 FOOT ON CENTER.
UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS THAT ARE LANDSCAPED ALONG WITH THE, UH, KIND OF INTERIOR LANDSCAPING STRIP AS WELL, THAT, UH, THE TREE ISLANDS.
UH, AND SO THESE, THESE, UH, SPACES ACTUALLY ARE WITHIN 60 FEET OF, OF A TREE.
UM, WHICH, UH, IS THE FIRST SITE PLAN I'VE SEEN THAT COMPLIES WITH THIS, UH, WITH THIS REQUIREMENT.
UM, THIS IS THE SOUTH, EXCUSE ME, THIS IS THE NORTHWEST, UM, SECTION OF THE PLAN.
UH, THE MAIN ENTRANCE OR THE, THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE.
THE MAIN EXIT WOULD BE TO THE LEFT AGAIN, YOU SEE, UH, TREE, UH, LANDSCAPING ALONG THE PERIMETER AS WELL AS TREES.
AND, UH, LOW, LOW PLANTINGS, UH, FILLING EACH, UH, LANDSCAPE ISLAND.
THE BUILDING, UH, LARGELY COMPLIES WITH THE COMMERCIAL DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, THE EXTERIOR IS A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY.
IT'S A MIXTURE OF STUCCO AND SYNTHETIC CODE, UM, STAFF FIELDS AT THE COMBINATION OF THE EFI STUCCO SYNTHETIC STONE, ALONG WITH THE DECORATIVE STAR MEDALLIONS AND ENTRANCES BREAKS UP THE FACADE.
THERE REALLY ARE SORT OF FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE, EVEN THOUGH THE WEST, THE EAST SIDE IS, IS LARGELY SERVICE AREA.
UH, THE TOP RENDERING IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
SO THAT WOULD, IS THE, THE SIDE YOU WOULD SEE AS YOU EXIT, UH, 70.
UH, AND THEN THE NORTH ELEVATION IS THE SIDE THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IF YOU COME IN THROUGH THAT SECOND, THAT SECOND, UH, ENTRANCE.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE, THERE ARE REALLY NO BLANK WALLS.
THE, THE ARCHITECTURE DOES A GOOD JOB TO BREAK UP THE MASSING OF WHAT IS A PRETTY LARGE BUILDING AS FAR AS CON UH, SIGNAGE GOES.
UM, SO THERE ARE THREE WALL SIGNS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
UH, EACH IS ROUGHLY 285 SQUARE FEET FOR A TOTAL OF, UM, 855 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK I'VE MENTIONED IT BEFORE.
FOR THESE LARGE BUILDINGS, I PREFER, UM, TO SEE A RATIO OF A SIGN SIZE TO, TO BUILDING LENGTH SO THAT THE SIGNS ARE IN PROPORTION, UM, RATHER THAN JUST A STRAIGHT ALLOCATION OR MAXIMUM SIGN AMOUNT.
UM, OUR NORTH, LET'S SEE, IS IT, UH, NORTH POINT SHOPPING CENTER, UH, IS ONE OF THE FEW PUDS THAT WE HAVE THAT, UH, ALLOCATES SIGNAGE ON A LINEAR FOOT.
IT ALLOWS UP TO TWO, UM, TWO FOOT, UH, TWO SQUARE FOOTAGE, TWO SQUARE FEET PER SIGN, PER LINEAR FOOT OF BUILDING.
UH, MOST COMMUNITIES THAT DO IT THIS WAY HAVE BETWEEN ONE AND TWO, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE PER LINEAR FOOT OF THE BUILDING.
THE SIGN RATIOS HERE ARE SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, LESS THAN THAT.
SO THE MAIN ENTRANCE WORKS OUT TO BE, UH, 0.7 SQUARE FEET PER LINEAR FOOT OF BUILDING.
UH, THE NORTH WALL IS 1.1 SQUARE FOOT.
UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THESE BUILDING SIGNS, THE BUILDING WALL SIGNS AS SUBMITTED.
WE, UH, WE DO THINK THAT THEY ARE IN PROPORTION GIVEN THE SIZE OF THIS BUILDING.
I THINK IF WE, IF WE HAD A STRICT APPLICATION OF OUR SIGN CODE AND OUR WALL SIGN, THAT THE SIGNS WOULD LOOK RIDICULOUSLY SMALL.
UM, SO HERE IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
UH, THIS IS THE, THE MAIN SIGN.
IT'S 0.7 SQUARE FOOT PER LINEAR FOOT.
I, I THINK IT LOOKS IN PROPORTION TO THE BUILDING.
SAME WAY WITH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH WALLS, WHICH, BECAUSE THE, THE WALL LENGTH IS SLIGHTLY SMALLER, THE RATIO IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, SO IT'S 1.1 SQUARE FOOT PER LINEAR FOOT.
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UM, THE FUEL CANOPY SIGNS ARE EACH ABOUT 50 SQUARE FEET.UM, LOOKING AT THOSE RATIOS, THE CANOPY ENDS ARE, UH, AGAIN, SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN THE, THE BUILDING.
SO THE CANOPY END IS 0.8 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE SIDES OF THE CANOPIES KINDA THE ARE 0.08 AND 0.11 SQUARE FOOT.
UM, RESPECTFULLY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GET TO TRAFFIC? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION IN AND OF ITSELF, ARE THE QUESTION.
MS. BARGO, ARE THE CANOPY SIGNS TO CODE? MM-HMM.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CANOPY SIGN CODE, BUT IF YOU COUNT THEM AS A, IF YOU CONSIDER THEM A WALL SIGN, THEN THEY WOULD BE TO CODE IF IT, SO YOU'RE USING THE SAME AS IF IT WERE A WALL SIGN? CORRECT.
AARON? UM, JUST A REAL QUICK ON A REAL QUICK QUESTION ON THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE MAIDEN GRASS.
HOW TALL AND IS THAT GOING TO GET? AND I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSCIOUS OF MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT BLOCKING ANY VIEWS.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD THAT DISCUSSION, UM, AROUND, AROUND KROGER.
UM, AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONSCIOUS OF, OF MAKING SURE WE HAVE OPEN VIEWS FOR TURN RATE, YOU KNOW, RETURN VEHICLES AND SO FORTH.
SO, UM, ASSUMING THAT, THAT THIS MOVES FORWARD WITH APPROVAL, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT, THAT WE HAVE WITH THE A, THE, UM, THE APPLICANT AND THEIR LANDSCAPE DESIGN FIRM ABOUT, LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE AT TRIM TWO EVERY YEAR.
YEAH, BECAUSE I JUST LOOKED IT UP.
YEAH, KROGER CERTAINLY GOT, NOW THEY'VE TAKEN OUT A LOT OF IT RECENTLY, UM, BUT IT CERTAINLY GOT KINDA GOT OUTTA HAND.
YEAH, WELL, I JUST LOOKED IT UP WHILE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, AND IT DOES GET PRETTY BUSHY.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, AT, AT KROGER.
UH, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT THE OUTDOOR SALES.
MY QUESTION IS, WILL THEY ALWAYS, WILL IT BE REQUIRED THAT THOSE SALES ARE AGAINST THE BUILDING AS IT SHOWS IN THE PHOTOS THAT WE HAVE? UM, OR WILL THEY BE ABLE TO COME OUT INTO THE SIDEWALK? SO THE SITE, IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS IN, IN, UH, APPROVAL? UM, THIS, LET'S SEE.
SO THE SITE PLAN REALLY JUST SHOWS THIS LITTLE AREA RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY INTENTION TO PUT PRODUCT IN THE WALKWAY LIKE WE'VE SEEN WITH OTHER RETAILERS.
AND, AND THIS WOULD BE, THEN THIS SITE PLAN WOULD GO ALONG WITH OUR ANNUAL PERMITS THAT WE ISSUE FOR OUTDOOR SALES.
JUST TO SHOW THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, IT IS REALLY TUCKED UP AGAINST THE BUILDING AND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A, HAVE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT, THAT RIGHT THERE.
BUT IT COULD VERY EASILY, IF YOU GET INTO TWO ROWS, THAT IS GOING TO HINDER WALKING ON THAT SIDEWALK.
WE, WE, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT A CONDITION.
THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.
UH, ONE OTHER THING, JUST A MINUTE.
UM, UH, OH, THE 30 FOOT TALL PARKING LOCK LIGHTS.
UH, WILL THOSE SHINE ONTO 2 35? NO.
BECAUSE I KNOW THEY, THEY'RE ABOUT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GRAY CHANGE, UM, THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE ABOUT 20 FEET FROM THE ELEVATION OF 2 35.
SO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS THE, THE, THE LIGHT FIXTURE ABOUT 20 FEET ABOVE, UM, 2 35, WHICH W IS LESS THAN WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, LET'S SAY, OUT HERE AT SHEETS, WHICH ARE 25 FOOT POLES.
AND MY LAST QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING.
UHHUH
SO IS THERE MORE THAN THAN ONE AREA WHERE YOU CAN ENTER THE BUILDING? THAT'S A HUGE BUILDING.
AND IF YOU'RE PARKED FAR AWAY, YEAH.
SO THERE'S THE MAIN ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE.
HERE, LET ME GO TO, YEAH, YEAH.
ON, ON FURTHER, IT WAS ALMOST THE LAST YEAH.
SO HERE'S A, HERE'S A PERSPECTIVE.
SO THERE'S THE MAIN ENTRANCE HERE.
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A SECONDARY, AH, LARGE ENTRANCE AT THIS CORNER AND ON THE OPPOSITE CORNER.SO THERE'S THREE ENTRANCES TO THE FACILITY.
THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN FOR ME, AND, UM, THAT, THAT YOU COULD ONLY GO IN THROUGH THAT MIDDLE PLACE BECAUSE OF THE LARGE PARKING LOT.
YEAH, NO, THERE'S, THERE'S THREE MAIN ENTRANCES.
AARON, JUST TO CONFIRM, I THINK YOU, YOU SAID THE OUTDOOR SALES IS JUST UP AGAINST THE BUILDING, WHICH JANE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.
DOES THAT INCLUDE LIKE OUTDOOR PALLET STORAGE, NOT ALLOWED ON THE CANOPIES AND STUFF AS WELL? DO WE NEED TO SPELL THAT OUT LIKE WE'VE HAD IN SOME OTHER AREAS? UH, SO THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND WHAT WE WOULD EN ENFORCE IS THAT THERE WOULD BE NO OUTDOOR STORAGE UNDER THE CANOPIES.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WE WOULD ALLOW WOULD BE THE OUTDOOR SALES UP AGAINST THE PERIMETER THAT WHEN YOU SET UP AGAINST THE BUILDING ONLY, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THAT WAS WHAT I WAS HEARING.
NOW IF THEY HAVE TEMPORARY STORAGE OUT BY THE RECEIVING DOCK IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF UP TO THIS PRESENTATION? CONTINUE ON.
SO GO AHEAD, AARON, ARE YOU GONNA TALK LATER ABOUT THE, UH, THE ONE SIGN ELEMENT THAT ISN'T IN THE DDP? IS THAT STILL TO COME? YES.
WELL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT NOW BRIEFLY.
WELL, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING ON IT LATER, WE CAN WAIT.
SO, UM, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA FOLLOW ALONG, UH, AS PART OF THE, THE PRESENTATION, THE HANDOUTS.
UH, SO I'M GONNA START WITH THE, WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE WORKING FROM I 70, UH, NORTHWARD.
UM, SO, UM, BASED ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS MAINLY BETWEEN ODOT, BUT ALSO WITH US, UM, THE, THE APPLICANT IS GONNA BE MAKING THE FOLLOWING SORT OF IMPROVEMENTS, WELL, NOT SORT OF THE FOLLOWING IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND ALSO ODOT WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO RUN, UH, THEIR SIMULATION MODELS FOR US.
SO I'VE GOT VIDEOS SHOWING HOW THE TRAFFIC WILL, UM, HOW WE'RE FORECASTING THE TRAFFIC WILL FLOW.
SO IT'S EASIER TO SEE KIND OF THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE MADE.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WHAT IS PROPOSED AND, UM, WHAT EVERYBODY'S AGREED TO IS THAT THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL EXIT LANE ON THE WESTBOUND I 70 EXIT RAMP.
SO THERE WILL BE A TWO LANE EXIT RAMP.
NOW, UM, THERE WILL ALSO BE A ADDITIONAL NORTHBOUND THROUGH LANE.
SO THE STATE ROUTE 2 35 EXIT BASICALLY HAS GOES FROM TWO TO THREE LANES.
UH, AND THERE WILL BE A SIGNALED INTERSECTION, UM, AT THAT, WHERE THE TWO WERE 2 35 AND THE 70 OFF RAMP MEET, UH, THAT BECOMES A SIGNALED OFF RAMP TRANSITION AREA.
I DON'T KNOW THE TECHNICAL TERM FOR IT.
UM, BUT THIS IS, LET ME PAUSE THIS.
UH, IT'S GOING FROM ONE ONE LANE TO TWO LANES.
SO IT'LL BE TWO LANES COMING, UH, WESTBOUND NORTH TO 2 35.
THIS IS THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION OF 2 35.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A THIRD LANE ADDED HERE FOR, FOR STACKING.
UH, AND THEN THIS WILL BE A SIGNALED, UH, EXIT OR INTERCHANGE.
SO I'M JUST GONNA, WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE, WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS THAT TRAFFIC.
THIS IS, UH, THE, THIS IS THE YEAR BUILT.
SO THIS IS NEXT YEAR AT 7 35 IN THE MORNING.
UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET, UH, BACKUPS INTO, UH, INTO THE HIGHWAY.
AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE HOW TRAFFIC IS FORECASTED TO FLOW.
SO YOU'VE GOT TWO LANES THAT THERE'S A RED LIGHT HERE.
THEY ARE STARTING TO STACK A LITTLE BIT.
THEY WILL BE RELEASED, THE 2 35 NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC WILL HOLD, IT WILL QUEUE, THEN IT WILL BE RELEASED.
UM, ON THE SIMULATION WHERE THERE IS, UH, EITHER GRAY OR BLACK, THAT MEANS THERE IS NO DELAY.
UM, THERE'S NO DELAY WITH THAT VEHICLE.
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GREEN OR DARK GREEN IS A LESS THAN, UM, TEN SECOND DELAY.UH, AND DARK RED IS MORE THAN AN 82ND DELAY.
SO THERE'S GRADUATED COLORS BASED ON, UH, ON THAT DELAY.
SO THIS IS A PRETTY WELL FUNCTIONING INTERCHANGE.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON HOW AARON, IS THE, THE NEED FOR THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE? IS THAT MAINLY TO GET, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SEMI-TRUCK THAT NEED TO GET ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE LEFT SIDE TO BE ABLE TO GET UP INTO COCA-COLA BOULEVARD AND ALL THAT? OR IS IT JUST 'CAUSE WE HAVE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC COMING TO A POINT? IT'S MORE ABOUT, I BELIEVE IT'S MORE ABOUT METERING THE TRAFFIC AND MAKING SURE THAT STUFF IS QUEUING AND THAT WE'RE NOT OVERWHELMING THE INTERSECTIONS TO THE NORTH ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD OR NORTHWARD, UH, AT 2 35 IN WHAT'S CALLED ACCESS A, WHICH IS REALLY THE MAIN ENTRANCE, UH, TO BUCKY'S, THERE'S GONNA BE A NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE INTO BUCKY'S INTO THAT MAIN ENTRANCE.
UM, THE MEDIAN THAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW ON 2 35 IS GONNA BE EXTENDED PAST ARTS ROAD TO PROHIBIT LEFT TURNS FROM 2 35 ONTO ARTS ROAD.
SO THOSE WHO ARE TRAVELING TO ARTS ROAD WILL NEED TO GO UP TO CENTER POINT 70 AND AROUND.
THIS WILL ALSO PHYSICALLY ENFORCE THE NO LEFT TURN, UH, FROM ARTS ROAD ONTO 2 35.
IT'S SIGNED NOW, RIGHT? TURN ONLY.
THAT'S PROBABLY, UH, COMPLIES COMPLIANT, BUT THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH TRAFFIC ON 2 35.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS 2 35 AND CENTER POINT 70, THAT INTERCHANGE, THERE'S GONNA BE A NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE INTO BUCKY'S.
UH, THERE'LL BE A SOUTHBOUND TURN LANE FROM 2 35 INTO BUCKY'S.
THAT'S, THAT IS, UH, CONSTRUCTED.
THERE'LL BE TWO LANES THAT CARRY THROUGH NORTHBOUND, UM, ON 2 35.
WE'RE BASICALLY EX, WE'RE BASICALLY CREATING, UH, A FOUR LANE ROAD NORTH OF, OF CENTER POINT 70.
UH, SO THERE WILL BE TWO ADDITIONAL LANES CONSTRUCTED NORTH OF, UH, CENTER POINT 70 INTER INTERCHANGE.
THERE'S ALSO, WE ARE ALSO EXTENDING THE CENTER POINT 70 WESTBOUND, UM, LANES TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL STACKING, UM, FOR THAT AREA.
SO THIS IS, LEMME TURN THIS OFF, SO I EXPLAIN IT.
THERE'LL BE A DEDICATED LANE INTO THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
UH, THERE'LL BE A RIGHT TURN ONLY LANE HERE INTO, UH, THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
UH, YOU, IT WON'T BE SIGNALED, UH, YOU CAN JUST ROLL ON IN.
UH, WE'RE CARRYING, UH, SO THERE'LL BE TWO NORTHBOUND LANES, TWO SOUTHBOUND LANES.
UH, THE TWO NORTHBOUND LANES WILL CARRY THROUGH ACROSS, UM, CENTER POINT 70.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, EXTENDED TO TWO LANES.
THERE'LL BE A TURN LANE, I BELIEVE THERE'LL BE A TURN LANE AS WELL AS A THROUGH LANE.
UH, AND THEN THIS INTERCHANGE, THERE'S A RIGHT TURN LANE, A LEFT TURN LANE, AND A THROUGH LANE RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS GETS IMPROVED, UH, AS WELL.
UM, SO THIS IS ALSO A PEAK TIME.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT I'M HOPING TO ILLUSTRATE IS THERE'S VERY LITTLE AT THE MOMENT, VERY LITTLE DELAY ON 2 35.
SO, UH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE ANY DELAY AS YOU'RE EITHER HEADING NORTHBOUND OR SOUTHBOUND.
THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF STACKING THAT OCCURS ON BUCKY'S BOULEVARD.
UH, THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE NATURE OF IT SINCE THERE'S ONLY ONE, ONE EXIT.
BUT THERE ARE TWO SOUTHBOUND LANES.
UH, WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO STRIPE OR, OR PAINT ON BUCKY'S LANE LIKE I 70 WEST OR I 70 EAST, SO THAT PEOPLE WILL QUEUE EARLIER INTO THE LANE THEY NEED TO BE IN TO HOPEFULLY, UH, AVOID A LOT OF CROSSOVER AS THEY'RE HEADED SOUTHBOUND ON, UM, 2 35, MR. JEFF AARON ON THAT.
ARE WE GOODING THE INDICATORS JUST IN THE ROAD? OR WE CAN ALSO
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PUT SIGNAGE UP ABOVE WHERE THERE'LL BE SIGNAGE ABOVE.UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY SIGNAGE IN OUR PARKING LOT AS WELL.
UM, BUT WE, IF, IF WE CAN GET IT UP AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AS WELL.
YEAH, THERE'LL BE SIGNAGE AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT SIGNAGE ON PAINTED ON THE PAVEMENT.
AND THERE'S SIGNAGE IN THE PARKING LOT.
SO YES, THERE, THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON.
YOU'RE NOT IN THE RIGHT LANE, MS. FARGO.
UM, THERE'S NO LEFT TURN FROM ARTS ROAD ONTO 2 35.
HOW DO YOU GET GOING SOUTH IF YOU'RE ON ARTS ROAD? SO IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH, YOU CAN TURN RIGHT ONTO 2 35.
I'M FROM ARTS, I'M SORRY, THE OTHER WAY.
UHHUH
SO YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TURN, YOU CAN'T GO LEFT NORTH NOW.
SO HOW DO YOU GET OUT OF THERE? YEAH, SO YOU GO UP TECHNOLOGY AND AROUND TO CENTER POINT 70, WHERE'S TECHNOLOGY? UM, IT'S THE, THE ONE STREET THAT ISN'T, UH, IT'S THE STREET THAT GOES JUST TO THE WEST OF ARTS.
UH, IT'S THE ONE THAT'S NOT LABELED.
YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S TECHNOLOGY.
IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ARTS STILL, BUT THIS IS THE WAY MOST TRAVEL ANYWAY SO THAT THEY CAN GET TO A SIGNALED UH, INTERCHANGE TO HEAD NORTH.
UM, SO AARON, THAT MEDIAN THERE ON 2 35, I THINK I READ THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE A FOUR FOOT HIGH MEDIAN, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M NOT SURE THE HEIGHT OF THAT.
BUT YEAH, IT WILL BE A PHYSICAL BARRIER TO KEEP PEOPLE MAINLY FROM TRA UH, TURNING LEFT ONTO ARTS AND NORTHWARD FROM ARTS.
AND TO BE CLEAR, IF I'M TRAVELING SOUTH ON 2 35, I DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO INTO ACCESS POINT A ON THIS, CORRECT YOU TO, IF YOU ARE TRAVELING SOUTHBOUND TO GET TO BUCKY'S, YOU NEED TO ENTER HERE.
AS WE TRAVEL FURTHER NORTHWARD, UM, AT 2 35 IN COCA-COLA BOULEVARD, UM, THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE SIGNAL TIMING UPGRADES.
THERE'S GONNA BE AS, AS AFTER THIS GETS BUILT, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PERIOD WHERE I THINK THE TECHNICAL TERM IS FIDDLING WITH THE TIMING OF ALL OF THESE TO MAKE SURE, UH, IT ALL FLOWS CORRECTLY.
UM, BUT ALSO AS WE, UH, HEAD NORTH ON 2 35, UM, THEY ARE WIDENING NORTH OF CENTER POINT 70, LIKE I SAID, TO TWO LANES, UH, FOR ABOUT 450 FEET FROM SEVEN, UH, CENTER POINT 70 BOULEVARD.
SO THIS IS NORTH OF CENTER POINT 70.
UM, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS FUNCTIONS, THERE IS ALMOST NO TRAFFIC THAT THAT GOES FROM BUCKY'S NORTHBOUND.
UM, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT ODO WAS CONCERNED ABOUT MAINLY WAS MAKING SURE THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH VOLUME OR CAPACITY TO, UH, GET THE CARS PAST CENTER POINT 70 BEFORE THEY START TO MERGE AND NOT HAVE A PINCH POINT SOUTH OF, UM, UH, CENTER POINT 70.
UM, WHEN, I'LL SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT LATER, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE 20 YEAR FORECAST, THERE IS SOME CONGESTION THAT OCCURS, UM, PROJECTED OR FORECASTED PER, UH, CONGESTION THAT OCCURS BOTH HERE ON SOUTHBOUND 2 35 AND THEN ALSO AT 2 35 AND COCA-COLA BOULEVARD.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BUCKY'S.
THAT IS REALLY THE BACKGROUND FORECASTED TRAFFIC THAT'S FORECASTED TO GROW OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
UM, SO ODOT AND THE CITY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE NEED TO EVENTUALLY EXTEND THIS FOUR LANES EVEN FURTHER NORTH.
UM, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BUCKY'S, IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE IF BUCKY'S IS HERE OR ISN'T, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHOW, MAKE THAT YOU AWARE OF THAT BECAUSE IT DOES SHOW SOME, SOME STACKING THAT OCCURS 20 YEARS OUT.
THESE ARE ALSO FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE, UM, FORECASTS.
I DON'T THINK THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE AS BAD AS THE 2040 MODELS PREDICT.
UM, BUT SO BASED ON THESE IMP I'M SORRY, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE? OKAY, SO BASED ON THESE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, STAFF, CITY STAFF, BOTH MYSELF, THE
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CITY ENGINEER, UH, AND OO ARE COMFORTABLE THAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW WILL BE MAINTAINED AND MANAGEABLE DURING NORMAL, UH, OPERATING DAYS.I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THOUGH, THAT TRAFFIC VOLUMES ARE GONNA BE HIGH IMMEDIATELY AFTER OPENING.
THAT'S HOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE NEWNESS AND PEOPLE BEING, PEOPLE WILL BECOME HERE.
SO IT'LL BE HIGHER IN THE, UH, THE FIRST COUPLE MONTHS.
THERE WILL BE SOME TIMING ISSUES THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK OUT ON ALL THE INTERSECTIONS TO MAKE SURE IT FLOWS CORRECTLY.
UH, AND THEN ALSO DURING HIGH VOLUME HOLIDAYS, MEMORIAL DAY, THANKSGIVING, ET CETERA, UM, TO PULL IT ALL TOGETHER.
THE NEXT, UM, VIDEOS SHOW HOW WE THINK THAT THE FORECASTED TRAFFIC, HOW THE WHOLE SYSTEM WILL FUNCTION MAYBE.
SO, UM, THIS IS GONNA PAUSE IN A SECOND, SO I'M GONNA NEED TO JUMP IT FORWARD, BUT THIS IS 70.
ALL OF THESE BLACK DOTS SHOW THAT THERE IS NO DELAY OCCURRING ON 70.
SO THIS IS SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING, GIVE OR TAKE.
UM, YOU DON'T SEE ANY STACKING OCCURRING ONTO THE HIGHWAY.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO DISRUPTION IN SEVENTIES TRAFFIC FLOW.
UH, YOU SEE YOUR TYPICAL MORNING, UM, SLIGHT DELAYS, BUT, BUT NOTHING SPECIAL HERE AT THE INTERSECTION.
UH, AS YOU SAW FROM THE OTHER, UM, VIDEOS, THERE IS SOME STACKING THAT OCCURS ON, ON BUCKY BOULEVARD, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE ENTRANCE OUT.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO, TO OCCUR AS WE GO TO NIGHTTIME.
SO THIS IS PEOPLE HEADING HOME OR DINNER AT BUCKY'S.
UH, THIS IS A HIGHER VOLUME OF, OF TRAFFIC.
UM, YOU CAN ALSO SEE AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S STACKING HERE ON BUCKY WAY, BUT 2 35 REMAINS, UH, FUNCTIONING RELATIVELY WELL.
THERE'S NO BACKUPS ON THE 70, UH, AND HIGH AND TRAFFIC ON 70 CONTINUES TO FUNCTION, UM, WITHOUT DELAYS.
UH, THIS IS FIVE 30 RIGHT NOW.
UM, ON A, JUST AN AVERAGE DAY AS WE JUMP AHEAD.
AGAIN, THIS IS 20 YEAR FORECAST, SO TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS THAT MAYBE, THERE WE GO.
SO THIS IS 20:45 AM SO 20 YEARS OUT, THIS IS, THERE IS A FORECAST TO JUST GENERAL INCREASE IN TRAFFIC OVERALL, AGAIN, THE MORNING FUNCTIONS PRETTY WELL.
UM, THIS IS, AGAIN, SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING, UM, 20 YEARS FROM TODAY.
YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF STACKING ON 2 35 NORTH OF HERE AS YOU HEAD SOUTHBOUND.
THAT'S BACKGROUND TRAFFIC BASED ON THE PROJECTIONS OF WHAT WILL, WHAT POSSIBLY COULD BE BUILT OUT OR GROW NORTH OF COCA-COLA BOULEVARD.
SO IT'S ON OUR RADAR, THE NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO 2 35.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS 20 YEARS, 20 YEARS OUT.
UM, AND THE, THE 20:45 PM BUILD, OOPS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS, THIS IS THE 2045 BUILD.
UM, JUST A KINDA A CLOSER IN PERSPECTIVE.
THERE IS A LOT MORE VOLUME, UH, ON 2 35 FORECASTED 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
UH, AND YOU START TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF STACKING UP HERE.
ALSO, STACKING DOWN HERE, AGAIN, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BUCKY'S.
THIS IS THE PROJECTED JUST NATURAL TRAFFIC GROWTH NORTH OF THIS SITE.
UH, AND THEN FINAL BILL OUT AGAIN, 40 YEARS OR 20 YEARS FROM NOW, YOU DO SEE SOME, UM, STACKING, THIS IS NIGHTTIME.
YOU DO SEE SOME CONGESTION POTENTIALLY HERE.
I THINK THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.
UH, ODOT HAS TALKED TO THEIR COUNTERPARTS IN KENTUCKY AND TENNESSEE.
THEY'RE NOT SEEING THIS KIND OF, UM, BUILDUP.
THEY THOUGHT THAT THE, THE PROJECTIONS, THE TRAFFIC PROJECTIONS TURNED OUT TO BE PRETTY CONSERVATIVE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS 20 YEARS OUT, NOT REALLY SURE WHAT'S GONNA OCCUR.
WE KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A CAPACITY ISSUE NORTH OF 2 35, BUT I DID WANNA SHOW IT TO YOU THAT THIS IS ON OUR RADAR AS SOMETHING TO ADDRESS 20, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS FROM NOW.
SO IT'S NOT AN ISSUE 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC, MR. THE IMP THE IMPROVEMENTS? SO LIKE ON THE MODEL HERE FOR CURRENT BUILDING, MY, MY WORRY IS TRAFFIC COMING FROM 75 I 75 70 IS A FACTOR THAT CAN'T BE DUPLICATED IN TENNESSEE OR KENTUCKY.
SO BY A PERCENTAGE OF TRAFFIC INCREASE, HOW MUCH, HOW FAR OFF ON TRAFFIC IMPACT DO
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WE HAVE TO BE BY A PERCENTAGE POSSIBLY TO HAVE A BACKUP ONTO THE HIGHWAY? ARE WE LONG WAYS OFF? SO I DON'T KNOW THE, THE ANSWER TO THAT 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE PARAMETERS THAT WERE FED INTO THIS MODEL.UM, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S MY BIGGEST WORRY IS THAT IF WE GET A BACKUP ONTO THE HIGHWAY BECAUSE WE, YEAH, I MEAN GRANTED, WE, THEY'RE GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT I THINK PEOPLE SEEM TO UNDERESTIMATE TRAFFIC A LITTLE BIT ON FOOT TRAFFIC.
I MEAN, WITH SOME OF THIS BUSINESSES AND WITH 70, 75 CORRIDOR BEING SO CLOSE.
SO THE TRAFFIC MODEL THAT WAS USED TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT 75 WAS RIGHT THERE AND ASSUMED THAT THERE WOULD BE VEHICLES TRAVELING, TRAVELING FROM 75 OVER TO HERE.
IT ALSO TOOK INTO ACCOUNT 6 75.
UM, SO BOTH OF THE, THE MODEL DOES FEED A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF VEHICLES ONTO 70 TO COME HERE AND THEN BACK.
UM, I, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE SPLIT IN TRAFFIC WAS NEARLY 95% WAS TWO BUCKYS GETTING BACK OFF ONTO THE HIGHWAY EAST OR WESTBOUND.
UM, SO THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY DID INCLUDE VOL, A, A PROJECTED AMOUNT OF VOLUME OR CAPTURE FROM BOTH 75 AND 6 7 5.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE.
THEY'RE TWO EXITS OFF OF 75 AND TWO OFF OF 6 75.
RIGHT? AND BY NO MEANS AM I ABLE TO SAY O DOTS WRONG ON ANYTHING, BUT I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE YEAH.
OVERESTIMATED THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA COME.
I MEAN, WE'RE MIDPOINT INDIANAPOLIS, COLUMBUS, YOU GOT 6 75 ROUTE 4 70, 75, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC GENERATORS.
WHEN I HEAR I'VE NEVER BEEN, I HEAR STORIES OF PEOPLE GOING TWO HOURS OUTTA THEIR WAY ON A TRIP TO GO THERE, 70, 75, 5 MINUTES.
SO I'M NOT GONNA PUT WORDS IN NO DOT'S MOUTH, BUT FROM THE CONVERSATIONS I WAS A PART OF, UM, THEY SPENT A TON OF TIME BOTH ANALYZING THE PROJECTIONS THAT THE CONSULTANTS GAVE THEM TO, TO BUILD THE MODEL AS WELL AS THE ON THE GROUND, UM, REALITIES AT OTHER SITES AROUND TAR COUNTY.
SO I KNOW THAT THEY WERE SUPER CONCERNED ABOUT ONE, NOT SLOWING DOWN TRAFFIC ON 70 AND NOT HAVING ANY STACKING ONTO 70.
UH, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, A, A CLOSE SECOND CONCERN TO THE, THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC ALONG 2 35.
MR. CASSIDY, AARON ON CENTER POINT 70 BOULEVARD WHERE IT GETS EXTENDED, I GUESS IT'S NOW BUCKY'S WAY.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT GOES WELL BEYOND THE SITE ITSELF.
AND SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE EXITING THERE, THEY'LL HAVE THE OPTION TO GO LEFT.
BUT THAT OVER EXTENSION, IS THAT IN ANTICIPATION OF STACKING SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD GO RIGHT AND THEN EVENTUALLY QUEUE AT THE LIGHT OR WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT EXTENSION? START OVER.
SO IF I'M COMING OUT OF ACCESS B YES ONTO BUCKY'S WAY UHHUH
IF THERE'S ENOUGH STACKING THAT HAPPENS THERE AND I CAN'T MAKE A LEFT, AM I ABLE TO MAKE A RIGHT AND THEN KIND OF MAKE A U-TURN AT THE END OF BUCKY'S WAY TO THEN GET INTO THE QUEUE? IS THAT THE DESIGN AROUND THE EXTENSION THERE? OKAY.
SO THAT'S THE WRONG, THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS, THAT'S THE WRONG, THIS IS THE EXIT OF BUCKY'S RIGHT HERE.
IF THIS QUEUE IS LONG AND YOU WANTED TO TURN RIGHT, NO, NO, NO, I'M COMING OUT OF ACCESS B ONTO BUCKY'S BOULEVARD.
SO ACCESS B IS BUCKY'S BOULEVARD? YES, SIR.
THEY, THEY'RE ONE IN THE SAME.
I THINK HE'S SAYING THAT IF HE CAN'T TURN LEFT BECAUSE OF STACKING, DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN RIGHT AND QUEUE BACK AT THE END OF THE OH.
SO IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE WANTING TO GO WESTBOUND ON CENTER POINT 70.
IF THE, IF THE QUEUE IS TOO LONG, COULD YOU DO A UI HERE? UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING PHYSICALLY STOPPING YOU, BUT IF THIS IS BACKED UP, THIS IS GONNA BE BACKED UP TOO.
SO, I MEAN, YOU COULD STOP IN FOR A SANDWICH AND THEN GO TO WORK
UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE GONNA SAVE ANY TIME.
YOU'RE GONNA BE BETTER OFF WAITING FOR ONE CYCLE, UH, BECAUSE IF IT'S THAT BACKED UP BUCKY'S WAY IS GONNA BE BACKED UP.
I JUST WASN'T SURE WHY THE ROAD WAS GOING SO FAR PAST THE ACCESS POINT B ON, ON THE PLANS.
THERE'S A LOT OF VACANT LAND DOWN THERE.
YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA ROAD THERE I GUESS IS ALL I'M SAYING.
IS THERE ANTICIPATION OF MORE BUILDING TO BE DONE IN THERE AND DOES THAT PROPERTY BELONG TO BUCKY'S? OH, BUCKY'S BOULEVARD.
YEAH, SO SEE THAT EXTRA YEAH, A BIT OF ROAD THERE PAST THE SITE SITE RIGHT THERE.
THIS ACTUALLY ISN'T THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN.
IT'S NOT, IT OVERSTATES, UM, LEMME GO BACK.
IT KIND OF OVERSTATES HOW BIG THIS
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REALLY IS.YEAH, YEAH, I WAS JUST, YEAH, SO I, I WAS WONDERING WHY WE BUILT A ROAD TO NOWHERE.
YEAH, NO, I WAS, I DIDN'T UNDER, YEAH, I, I WAS MISSING IT.
IT ACTUALLY JUST KIND OF TAILS OFF INTO THE, BACK, INTO THE, INTO THE PARKING LOT.
DID YOU SAY IT DOES NOT GO ACROSS TO ARCH ROAD? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S LINED UP.
I THINK WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS, IS, UH, THE, THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE GOING BASICALLY PAST THE SITE.
THAT WAS JUST THE WAY THE MODEL IS DRAWN OVER THAT WAY.
THIS DOES GO ALL THE WAY BACK THROUGH.
SO, SORRY, I'VE GOT MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO ACCESS POINT A? YES.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT, THAT ACCESS POINT A, IF I'M MAKING THE RIGHT HAND TURN THE SPLIT FROM THE ONE LANE INTO THE TWO INTO BUCKY'S, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL AFTER I MAKE THAT RIGHT HAND TURN.
SO I DON'T HAVE TWO LANES LIKE THIS TURNING INTO BUCKY'S.
I'VE GOT ONE LANE TURNING RIGHT INTO BUCKY'S AND THEN IT SPLITS INTO TWO.
SO THERE IS NO, SO THERE IS A, THERE'S ONE LANE THAT GOES DIRECTLY IN YEAH.
AND, AND YOU COULD, YES, YOU CAN MAKE TWO INTO BUCKY'S.
AND, AND IF YOU'RE IN THAT SECOND LANE, YOU CAN ALSO GO STRAIGHT.
THAT'S UNLIKELY I THINK, BUT IT, YEAH, THERE IS TWO POTENTIALLY.
SO I'VE GOT THE RIGHT TURN ONLY LANE AND THEN I'VE GOT A STRAIGHT OR RIGHT TURN LANE NEXT TO IT.
AND BOTH THOSE RIGHT TURN LANES CAN TURN INTO BUCKY'S AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, I THINK THAT PEOPLE CRISSCROSSING AT THAT JUNCTURE IS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT THERE, YOU'VE NOW CUT OFF COMPLETE ACCESS TO BUCKY'S.
I'D RATHER SEE THE ONE LANE ENTERING BUCKY'S TO THE RIGHT AND THEN IT SPLITS INTO TWO ONCE YOU'RE INTO THE BUCKY'S PROPER AREA.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE A CONTINUOUS LANE? YEAH.
SO THE, THE ENGINEERS ARE HERE AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN DISCUSS THAT.
THERE WERE QUITE A FEW AARON IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING FOR A, A GRADE OF C UH, IS WHAT YOU TOLD ME AS WE WANT TO HIT, UH, A'S AND V'S ARE FINE, BUT C IS THE TARGET.
THERE'S QUITE A FEW LETTER GRADES IN HERE THAT ARE WELL BELOW A C.
THERE'S QUITE A FEW D'S, QUITE A FEW F'S.
I THINK I SAW AN E OR TWO MM-HMM
UM, AS YOU LOOK AT THOSE GRADINGS, IS THAT PRIMARILY ATTRIBUTED TO THAT SOUTHBOUND 2 35 STACKING? IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF LETTER GRADES THAT ARE JUST NOT OPTIMAL.
YEAH, SO A COUPLE OF 'EM ARE REALLY BAD BECAUSE LIKE THE ACCESS DOESN'T REALLY EXIST.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ON THIS TRAFFIC REPORT, THERE IS A LETTER GRADE FOR, UM, WESTBOUND ACCESS POINT B.
WELL, THERE'S NO SIGNAL TO GO WEST TO GO WEST OR NORTH OR SOUTH FROM HERE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE SITTING THERE FOR A WHILE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS SO BAD.
UM, THE, THE OTHER ONES, THE ORIGINAL TRA THE ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SHOWED, YOU KNOW, D'S AND E'S, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, IT WAS ABOUT THE COCA-COLA BOULEVARD AND THIS UH, AREA RIGHT HERE AT UH, 2 35, WHICH IS WHY ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO CARRY TWO MORE LANES NORTH TO, TO SOLVE FOR THAT.
BUT IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
THERE WAS AN AS IT EXISTS TODAY, AND THEN THERE WAS ONE BUILDING WITH THE SIGNALIZE ON BUCKY'S BOULEVARD.
UM, SO YOU'RE CONFIDENT THAT NONE OF THE SUBOPTIMAL GRADES WOULD APPLY TO ANYTHING BUCKY'S BOULEVARD AND SOUTH DUE TO THE CHANGES HERE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, I'M NOT GONNA SAY MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND'S GONNA BE OPTIMAL OR WE WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT ONE.
UM, BUT I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT, UH, AT LEAST THE FIRST FEW YEAR, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST DECADE WILL BE FINE.
UM, A LOT OF THIS DEPENDS ON, I THINK TRAFFIC VOLUME GROWTH OUTSIDE THE, THE, THE EASE AND THE E AND FS.
UM, WERE THE 2045 BUILD TIME, SO 20 YEARS OUT YEAH.
A LOT OF THAT BACKGROUND TRAFFIC AND YEAH, WE DO THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE, AND WE, REGARDLESS OF BUCKY'S IS HERE BASED ON WHAT THE MODEL SHOWS AND OUR CONVERSATION THOUGH DOT WE THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM REGARDLESS AT CERTAINLY AT COCA-COLA BOULEVARD
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IN 2 35.UM, AND THERE WOULD BE A PROBLEM WITHOUT THE, THE FOUR LANE OR THE TWO LANE, UM, EXPANSION HERE.
SO, UM, I I ALSO THINK THAT THE, THE, THE UM, TRAFFIC STUDY WAS PRETTY CONSERVATIVE AND PROBABLY BECAUSE IT'S BE IT'S CONSERVATIVE SHOWS A WORSE TRAFFIC SCENARIO 20 YEARS FROM NOW THEN, THEN WILL ACTUALLY EXIST.
NOW IF THERE ARE SIX MORE OLD DOMINIONS THAT ARE BUILT UP 2 35, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT AS EACH ONE'S BUILT WITH MORE TRAFFIC.
UH, WIDENING ALONG 2 35, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THE IMMEDIATE FORECAST.
UM, ARE THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS GOING TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE BUCKY'S OPENS? YES.
AND MY SECOND ONE WAS IN THIS STUDY WAS BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD INCLUDED AT ANY POINT, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF HUBER HEIGHTS RESIDENTS THAT ARE EMPLOYED AT CENTER POINT 70 BOULEVARD AND UH, BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD WOULD CERTAINLY BE THE IDEAL WAY FOR THEM TO GO HOME.
UH, BUT WAS THAT INCLUDED IN THE STUDY AT ALL? IT WAS NOT, UM, BECAUSE MAINLY BECAUSE BELL FOUNTAIN IS KIND OF A LOCAL SECRET.
UM, SO WE DON'T THINK ANY I MINE
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF LOCAL RESIDENTS THAT ARE EMPLOYED AT CENTER POINT 70.
AND THEY'RE PROBABLY USING IT ALREADY.
MR. JEFFRIES, AARON, JUST NOT TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD, BUT WE'RE TALKING THE 10 20 YEAR BUILD TRAFFIC ISSUES.
AND THIS IS JUST A, I GUESS FOR US TO PREP FOR WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT FUTURE COUNSEL IS ON IT EARLY INSTEAD OF AFTER IT GETS TO BE A PROBLEM? 'CAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH ODOT PROJECTS AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? AND WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO IS HAVE US BE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL AND RISK LOSING PEOPLE LIKE OLD DOMINION OR COCA-COLA WITH TRUCKS SITTING IN TRAFFIC.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA TOLERATE.
WELL I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, THE BUCKY'S DEVELOPMENT IS FORCING THAT ISSUE.
I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD'VE BEEN ON THEIR RADAR, BUT FOR THIS PROJECT, SO, UM, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, UM, THEY ARE PUTTING IT IN THEIR LONG RANGE CIP PLAN.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO THE SAME SO THAT THEY'RE ALIGNED.
BUT FOR THE BUCKYS PROJECT, I'M NOT SURE THIS WOULD'VE FLOATED TO THE TOP AS A PROBLEM UNTIL IT BECAME A PROBLEM.
SO THAT'S ONE, YOU KNOW, SILVER LINING.
UM, SO AS FAR AS STAFF ANALYSIS, UM, JUST KIND OF WRAPPING IT UP, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY CONFORMS TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ORDINANCE THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
ADDITIONALLY, THE DDP GENERALLY CONFORMS TO ALL RELEVANT ZONING REGULATIONS INCLUDING LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, PARKING, AND ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.
THE APPLICANT HAS ACCOMMODATED ALL OF THE CITY AND ODOT REQUESTS, UH, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE WERE, UH, A COUPLE COMMENTS.
UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTED A FEW ADDITIONAL FIRE HYDRANTS, UH, AS WELL AS THEY'VE ASKED FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT TO OVERLAY OUR APPARATUS TO VERIFY TURNING RADIUSES.
UM, THOSE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN FORWARDED TO THE APPLICANT.
WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION TODAY.
SO THOSE, THOSE ISSUES ARE GONNA BE ADDRESSED.
UH, THE ENGINEER WANTS THE FIRE WATER LINES, SO THOSE WATER LINES THAT SERVICE THE FIRE HYDRANTS ALL TO BE IN A 10 FOOT PUBLIC EASEMENT THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED AS WELL.
WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION TODAY.
SO STAFF FEELS THAT THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE STANDARDS OUTLINED IN SECTION 11 71 0 9.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS SUBMITTED ON APRIL 23RD, 2024 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
FIRST, THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH ALL FIRE DEPARTMENT CONDITIONS.
SECOND, THAT FIRE WATER LINES BEING A 10 FOOT, UH, PUBLIC EASEMENT.
THIRD, THAT ADDITIONAL STREET TREES BE PROVIDED ALONG STATE ROUTE 2 35, NORTH OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL.
AND THEN FOUR, UH, MS. FARGO GETTING, OR MR. CASSIDY GETTING YOUR POINT.
UH, THE PYLON SIGN SHALL BE CONSIDERED A FUTURE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND IS EXCLUDED FROM APPROVAL, UH, OF THIS SIGNED PACKAGE SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION DATED APRIL 23RD, 2024.
SO THE REASON THAT THIS CONDITION EXISTS IS, UM, IN OUR CONVERSA IN MY CONVERSATION WITH, UM, BUCKY'S SITE DEVELOPMENT, UM, DIRECTOR, TYPICALLY THEY FLOAT A BALLOON TO SEE HOW HIGH THE SIGN NEEDS TO BE TO GET OVER THE TREE TR TREETOPS.
UM, THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.
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AND I FELT THAT THERE WOULD BE A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT 125 FOOT TALL SIGN WITHOUT SOME KIND OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE TO HAPPEN TO GET OVER THE TREES.SO THEY HAVE SUGGESTED, AND, AND I AGREED THAT WE PULL THE, THE PYLON SIGN, UH, OFF THE TABLE FOR A FUTURE DISCUSSION, UH, AND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REST OF THE APPROVALS.
UM, SO THAT IS WHY THAT, UH, CONDITION EXISTS.
AND THEN I WOULD ADD A FIFTH CONDITION THAT, UM, OUTDOOR SALES, UM, SHALL BE WITHIN FOUR FEET OF THE PERIMETER WALL OF THE BUILDING, OF THE BUILDING WALL.
THAT PROBABLY IS ENOUGH FOR ANY KIND OF PRODUCT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE, BUT THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE HERE IF THEY THINK THEY NEED MORE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU, MRS. SORRY, ONE, ONE QUESTION HERE.
UM, HAS THIS, I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, BATHROOM STALLS WITH THE ADULT CHANGING TABLES, AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AT THE STATE HOUSE, THEY WERE GONNA PUT THAT IN THE STATE CODE.
HAS THAT HAPPENED YET? SO THE, THE, THE, UM, THE CODE CHANGED, UM, AS OF MARCH 31.
I BELIEVE IT WAS MARCH 31, MAYBE MARCH 1ST, MARCH 31.
IT CHANGED BEFORE, UM, BEFORE BUCKY SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY FOR BUILDING APPROVALS.
UM, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT NEW, UM, REGULATION.
UM, I HAD A BRIEF EMAIL CONVERSATION WITH BUCKY'S ARCHITECT, UM, WHO INFORMED ME THAT THIS, THIS DOES NOT, UM, FIT THE CATEGORY THAT OHIO CHANGED.
UH, AND THEN THEREFORE THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE INSTALLING FAMILY RESTROOMS OR A UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLE.
I SUGGESTED TO THE ARCHITECT THAT THEY STRONGLY RECONSIDER.
UM, BUT THE FLOOR PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO ME TO AT LEAST THE WAY I READ 'EM, DOES NOT SHOW A UNIVERSAL CHANGING, CHANGING TABLE.
WE DON'T CONTROL THE BUILDING CODE.
UM, I HAD REACHED OUT TO MONTGOMERY COUNTY'S BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO GET A BETTER INTERPRETATION.
UM, I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THEM ON THIS, THIS ISSUE.
IN LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLANS, IS THAT, WOULD THERE BE ROOM IN ANY OF THE BATHROOMS? I THINK SO.
TO DO THIS? I THINK SO, BUT I'M, I'M NOT THEIR ARCHITECT.
BUT IT, IT APPEARS, I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT 77,000 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THEY COULD SQUEEZE ONE IN
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
NO, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, I'LL JUST GO THERE.
UH, MEMBERS PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FIRST, LIKE TO THANK, UH, MR. LL MAYOR, UH, YOU ALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION COUNCIL.
CERTAINLY OUR FRIENDS AT ODOT.
UM, AND, UH, MEMBERS OF THE CITY, UH, RUSS WITH, WITH ENGINEERING AND HIS TEAM.
I'M, I'M PROBABLY LEAVING SOME FOLKS OUT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A PROCESS, RIGHT? AND, AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE AND, AND, AND VALUE THE COLLABORATION THAT THE PROCESS HAS BEEN TO THIS POINT.
UM, AS MR. SORELL HAS, UH, SUMMARIZED THE ISSUES, UH, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP MORE TIME AND THE LIKE TO, TO DO THAT, BUT TO SAY WE STILL GOT A WAYS TO GO BEYOND THIS POINT.
UM, AND HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE.
COULD I HAVE YOUR NAME, SIR? UH, ANDY SHAW.
ANDY KIMLEY HORN REPRESENTING BUCKY'S.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CASSIDY? YEAH, MR. SHOAL.
UM, THERE'S ONLY, BY MY COUNT AND WHAT I SAW IN THE PLANS, 11 SPOTS FOR RV AND BUS PARKING.
YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THIS.
SO I GUESS COULD YOU TELL ME THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE 11 SPOTS AND HOW YOU ARRIVED AT THAT NUMBER?
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SURE.SO IT'S, IT'S BASED ON WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED BEFORE AT OTHER BUCKY'S AND HOW WE, HOW WE EXPECT THIS TO OPERATE.
UM, WE BELIEVE MAXIMUM BE EIGHT OR NINE AND LEAVE FLEXIBILITY FOR 11.
UM, AND SO WE FEEL REASONABLY COMFORTABLE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT WE'VE PROVIDED FOR THAT USE.
CAMPING WORLD IS GONNA BE RIGHT DOWN THE HIGHWAY.
THERE'S EXPECTED TO BE A CAMPGROUNDS JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE, FROM YOU OFF, UH, 70 BESIDE CAMPING WORLD.
WE SEE THE AMOUNT OF TRAVEL TRAFFIC THAT COMES THROUGH WITH THOSE 11 JUST DOES NOT SEEM SUFFICIENT.
UM, SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER THE NUMBER OF THOSE SPACES AND SEE IF THERE'S A SPACE TO EXPAND BY MAYBE TWO OR THREE MORE, UNLESS MY COHORTS HERE THINK THAT, UH, YOU MIGHT NEED EVEN MORE.
SO ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, VIEW, THERE'S THESE TWO SQUARE BOXES AND THEY HAVE AN X IN THE MIDDLE OF THEM.
WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE? I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOWED THOSE.
SO, SO I'M COMING IN THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND THEN I HIT A SQUARE.
OH, WITH AN X IN THE, WHAT ARE THOSE? JUST INTERSECTION POINT STRIPING.
AND THEN COULD WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ACCESS POINT A, UH, AND HOW WE'RE GETTING IN? SOME OF THE PLANS SEEM TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO LANES, TWO DEDICATED TURN LANES GOING INTO ACCESS POINT A.
SOME OF THEM JUST SHOW ONE ACCESS, YOU KNOW, ONE DEDICATED TURN LANE GOING IN AND THEN IT SPLITS AFTER THAT.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR THAT PARTICULAR ENTRANCE? THE LADDER.
THE LADDER, IT'S, IT'S ONE LANE.
ONE LANE SPLITS TO TWO ONE LANE, THEN IT SPLITS.
THAT WAS THE DESIGN I, I THOUGHT WAS MORE OPTIMAL FOR THIS BECAUSE I, WHAT I DIDN'T WANNA SEE WAS TWO VEHICLES TURNING AT THE SAME TIME.
SOMEBODY CROSSING OVER HAVING AN ACCIDENT AND THEN THAT ENTIRE AREA IS BLOCKED OFF.
AND, AND THAT'S EVOLVED THROUGH OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH ODOT.
UM, THO THOSE DISCUSSIONS KIND OF HAPPENED ALTOGETHER.
SO IT'S ONE LANE THAT SPLITS THE TWO.
SO THEN THAT LEFT LANE NEXT TO THE DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE WOULD BE STRAIGHT OR LEFT TURN ONLY.
SO THE DEDICATED RIGHT HAND TURN LANE, THAT'LL BE A SINGLE LANE INTO BUCKY'S.
AND THE LANE TO THE LEFT OF THAT WILL BE A STRAIGHT ONLY OR A LEFT TURN LANE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY HISTORY OF EMERGENCIES AT YOUR ENTRY AND EXIT POINTS THAT WOULD BLOCK FOR A PERIOD OF TIME THE ACCESS POINTS HERE THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT? CAR FIRES, ACCIDENTS? NO, THE, THE ENTRANCES ARE FAR ENOUGH APART THAT IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE ONE, THERE'S ACCESS AVAILABLE VIA THE OTHER.
EXCEPT IN THIS INSTANCE THAT DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS UM, GOT A PHYSICAL DEMARCATION BETWEEN THE STRAIGHT AND LEFT TURN ONLY.
LANE STRIPING ONLY STRIPING ONLY.
AND THEN I'VE HEARD, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD AARON SAY ABOUT THE, UH, THE CHANGING TABLES IN THE RESTROOMS THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE ADULTS.
I DO THINK THAT'S A, A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
AND SO I'D JUST LIKE TO GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.
SO I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, ROADWAY ENGINEER.
UM, I'LL DEFER OPERATIONAL AND, AND BUILDING TYPE QUESTIONS TO REPRESENTATIVES FROM BUCKY'S OR THE ARCHITECT.
UH, THAT'S NOT REALLY MY, MY WHEELHOUSE INSIDE THE BUILDING, SO.
YEAH, JUST ONE ON THE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE IN.
I WAS HAPPY TO SEE IT BECAME AN ENTRANCE ONLY, I THINK THAT DIVERTS A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC FROM ANYBODY TRYING TO BE THROUGH TRAFFIC, WHICH OPENS UP THE MERGING LANES FROM THE LEFT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, UM, I, I DO AGREE WITH MR. CASSIDY THAT I, THE ONLY THING THAT JUMPED OUT TO ME WHEN I WAS READING THE DOCK WAS 11 PARKING SPACES OUTTA 700 FOR A TRAVEL CENTER THAT CATERS TO PEOPLE WHO WERE TRAVELING.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW YOUR BUSINESS.
THAT'S, THAT'S YOU GUYS, IT JUST, 11 OUTTA 700 DID SEEM LIGHT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER FACTORS THAT, UH, THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THERE.
THE, THE NOTION HERE IS THAT THIS ISN'T OVERNIGHT PARKING.
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RIGHT.THIS IS FOLKS COMING AND GOING WITH A DISTINCT PURPOSE AND RIGHT.
12,000 AND DESTINATION COMING AND GOING, WHAT WE WERE TELLING, AND, AND SO THE, THE, THE TURNOVER AND THE THROUGHPUT'S PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL GOOD.
UM, BY AND LARGE IT'S CARS, IT'S, YOU KNOW, PASSENGER CARS AND TRUCKS.
WILL, THEY HAVE A TRAILER BEHIND THEM, MAYBE, ET CETERA.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ROOM THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, AGAIN, OTHER BUCKY'S OF, OF THIS SIZE AND, AND, AND OTHER AREAS, WE, WE FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENT AND THE CONTEXT AND WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK AND LOOK.
UM, WE DO HAVE A HUNDRED EXTRA PARKING SPACES REQUIRED FROM CODE, SO MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, WE'LL LOOK AT IT.
AND THEN JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, I NOTICED THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE A CAR WASH, WHICH I KNOW NO CAR
WE GOT ENOUGH OF THEM, BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE MORE ON THE OUTSKIRTS.
SO IS IS IT JUST WE RAN OUTTA SQUARE FOOTAGE AND JUST DIDN'T FIT? OR WAS THERE A REASON 'CAUSE IT WAS A GOOD PAYING JOB ALSO FOR SOMEONE THAT NO, YOU KNOW, I, I, ALL OF THAT'S OPERATIONALLY DRIVEN GOTCHA.
WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF NOTION AS TO WHAT THE UTILIZATION IS AND ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE THAT I THINK THE DECISION, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR OPERATIONS, BUT, UM, IT JUST WASN'T, DIDN'T MEET THAT THRESHOLD, MR. YEAH.
AND THEN I'D, I'D ECHO MR. CASSIDY COMMENTS ON THE, THE ADULT CHANGING TABLES.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WAS BROUGHT UP EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS, SO, UH, I, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WORTH CONSIDERING.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME ROOM THERE.
SO APPRECIATE THAT MS. THOMAS.
NO, I THINK THEY'VE ALL SAID IT VERY WELL.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M GONNA GET THESE TO YOU GUYS, SO THANK YOU.
ARE YOU ON BEHALF OF BUCKY'S? I AM NOT.
I, I'D LIKE TO GET ALL BUCKY'S REPRESENTATION FIRST.
IF WE HAVE ANYMORE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON BUCKY'S BEHALF? OKAY,
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON MY MOM'S BEHALF.
UH, HER NAME IS NANCY NEFF AND SHE'S THE TRUSTEE, TRUSTEE OF OUR FAMILY FARM, WHICH IS LOCATED AT I 70 AND STATE ROUTE 2 35.
MY MOTHER IS UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS MEETING TODAY, BUT SHE HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITY PLANNER, AARON RELL, SINCE OCTOBER, 2023.
WITH OUR CONCERNS, OUR MAIN CONCERN KEEPING THE ACCESS WE HAVE NOW, THE ABILITY TO TRAVEL SAFELY, BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH TO AND FROM OUR FARM, WHICH IS ON 2 35, INCLUDING OUR ABILITY TO TRAVEL SOUTH TO I 70, WHICH IS ABOUT A QUARTER MILE, UM, FROM OUR LANE.
AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE MAP OF THE LOCATION OF OUR FARM IN OUR LANE.
THE MAP SHOWS NEV FARM LANE, WHICH IS IN RED, THAT THE CONNECTION OF OUR FARM TO STATE ROUTE 2 35.
THIS LANE IS OUR ONLY ACCESS TO OUR 60 PLUS ACRE FARM THAT HAS BEEN IN THE NEV FAMILY AND FARMED FOR OVER 150 YEARS.
WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING THE ABILITY TO ALLOW FARM EQUIPMENT AND SEMI GRAIN TRUCKS TO ENTER AND EXIT OUR LANES SAFELY, BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH ON STATE ROUTE 2 35, WHICH IS PROVIDING THIS ABILITY, WHICH IN PROVIDING THIS ABILITY, WILL ALLOW THESE SEMIS TO TRAVEL SOUTH ON I 70 TO THE OHIO RIVER AS NORTH TO AND ALSO AS WELL TO NORTH TO SYDNEY, OHIO.
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AGAIN, THIS LANE IS OUR ONLY ACCESS FOR NOT FAR, FOR NOT JUST FARMING, BUT ALSO FOR THE OUTDOOR SIGN COMPANY TO MAINTAIN THEIR SIGN.THE UTILITY COMPANIES, THE TREE CUTTING SERVICES, THE MOWING MAINTENANCE, THE FARM FIELD MAINTENANCE, THE ABILITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO OUR LAKE.
ALSO, THE PROPERTY VALUES FOR OUR FARM WOULD BE AFFECTED GREATLY.
WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE TRAFFIC LANES AT THE CENTER POINT BOULEVARD INTERSECTION WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE KEEPING OUR NORTH AND SOUTH EGRESS AND INGRESS FROM OUR WORKING FARM.
WE WOULD OPPOSE ANY RESTRICTIONS DENYING US THIS ABILITY, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE UNABLE TO TRAVEL SOUTH ON 2 35 TO I 70 AND FORCED ONLY TO HAVE ACCESS NORTH ON STATE ROUTE 2 35.
WE FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE UNACCEPTABLE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ALSO A MAP ON THE SECOND ONE THAT HAS A CLOSEUP OF THE CENTER POINT BOULEVARD AND THE N LANE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, CAN YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY OUR FARM INGRESS AND EGRESS TO OUR LANE FORTH NORTH AND SOUTH ON STATE ROUTE 2 35.
ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS IS, WILL THERE BE ANY SIGNAL LIGHTS THAT WILL BE ACTIVATED FOR THE ABILITY TO SAFELY TRAVEL NORTH AND SOUTH ON STATE ROUTE 2 35 WHEN ENTERING AND EXITING THE LANE TO THE NEV FARM? FROM WHAT YOU, WE ARE SEEING ON THIS MAP THAT WE HAD, THAT IT SHOWS THE EXIT FROM BUCKY'S HEADING NORTH CURVES TO THE VERY EDGE OF OUR LANE, PLUS THE SOUTH BED TRAFFIC STOPS FOR THE LIGHT JUST SLIGHTLY SOUTH OF OUR LANE.
SUCH A CONFIGURATION WILL MAKE US ONE VERY DANGEROUS AND DIFFICULT FOR ALLOWING THE FARM EQUIPMENT AND THE SEMIS TO EXIT SOUTHBOUND WITH CO WITHOUT CAUSING A HOLDUP AND HOPEFULLY NOT A POSSIBLE ACCIDENT WITH ALL DIRECTIONS OF TRAFFIC.
WE HAVE A SECOND CONCERN, AND THIS IS REGARDING THE PROPERTY FENCING.
WE HAVE ASKED IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF SECURITY BARRICADE AND OR FENCING TO KEEP BUCKY'S CUSTOMERS FROM ENTERING OUR FARM PROPERTY.
AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE OLD DOMINION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR LANE, WHICH SAYS, INSTALLED A COMMERCIAL CHAIN LENGTH, FE CHAIN LENGTH FENCE.
THIS SEEMS TO BE WORKING FOR US.
AND THE CITY ANSWERED THAT THEY FELT IT WAS NOT NEEDED AND THAT A TREE SURVEY WOULD BE REQUIRED ON PRESERVING TREES ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINE.
ALSO, A NEW RETENTION POND THAT WILL RUN ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND OUR PROPERTY.
THE SEC, UH, TWO OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAVE.
AND IT IS STATED THAT THERE WAS A FOUR FOOT BLACK VINYL FENCE INSTALLED IN CERTAIN AREAS.
WHICH LOCATIONS WILL THESE FENCES BE INSTALLED? AND WILL THESE FENCES BE USED AS PROPERTY LINES? DO WE KNOW THAT ANSWER? AND IF YES, WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, WE FEEL THAT FOUR FEET IS, NEEDS TO BE HIGHER FOR OUR PROPERTY LINE.
AND IF THE BUCKY'S CUSTOMERS WERE TO CROSS OVER ONTO OUR PROPERTY AND ONTO OUR LAKE BY ASSUMING IT'S BUCKY'S PROPERTY, UM, HOW WOULD WE BE ABLE TO HANDLE THEM TO KEEPING THESE CUSTOMERS FROM ENTERING OUR PROPERTY? THANK YOU.
SO, UM, I'VE HAD, UH, A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, WITH MS, UH, NEUBAUER, UM, I'M SORRY, MS. DEF, UM, ON THAT, UH, DIFFERENT PROPERTY, UH, ABOUT THIS, UH, PARTICULAR, UH, SITE.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS DISTANCE OR CORRALLING THE CUSTOMERS, UM, THE SITE PLAN AND I HAD SENT THE, THE, THE PLANS, UH, TO MS.
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NEFF WHEN WE GOT THEM.I SENT HER THE LINK TO DOWNLOAD THEM, UM, THE SAME DAY THAT EVENING THAT WE, WE RECEIVED THEM AS WELL.
'CAUSE I KNEW THIS WAS A CONCERN.
UH, SO THERE IS A, A CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT IS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PARKING LOT, UM, THAT BASICALLY KEEPS PEOPLE FROM, UH, GOING INTO BUCKY'S RETENTION POND.
THERE IS A GATE HERE FOR, UM, MAINTENANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW BUCKY'S STAFF TO ACCESS THE, YOU KNOW, FOR MOWING AND, UH, MAINTENANCE OF THE RETENTION PONDS.
UM, BUT EFFECTIVELY TO BETWEEN HERE AND HERE, BETWEEN HERE AND THE LAKE.
YOU HAVE A FENCE AND YOU HAVE EFFECTIVELY WHAT'S A MOAT? SO I DON'T SEE, UH, A, A A, I DON'T SEE, UNLESS THERE'S SOME ATTRACTION THAT I'M MISSING.
I DON'T SEE CUSTOMERS COMING FROM THIS PARKING LOT OVER TO, UH, THEIR, THEIR LAKE.
AND LET ME ZOOM OUT SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
OH, I'M GOING, WELL, HERE WE GO.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST RETENTION POND THAT WILL ALSO BE A SECOND RETENTION POND THAT IS PROBABLY YAY WIDE.
THERE WILL BE A SMALL PATH FOR MAINTENANCE FOR, FOR BUCKY'S STAFF TO GET BACK HERE, THERE, BUT THERE IS A, ESSENTIALLY A PERIMETER FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE, THE RETENTION PONDS PLUS A CREEK AND THEN THEIR POND.
SO UNLESS THERE IS, I I, I FIND IT UNLIKELY THAT THERE WILL BE CUSTOMERS THAT TRAVERSE THOSE THREE OBSTACLES TO GET BACK TO, TO THIS POND.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE, UM, ENTRANCE INTO THE FIELD TO THE, THE LANE IS ABOUT RIGHT HERE, UM, THAT IS AN AREA THAT, THAT WE WANT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH.
UH, THE TRAFFIC WITH, UM, ODOT AND THE ENGINEERS.
UM, NONE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS IMPACT THIS, THIS LANE, PER SE.
UM, THE LANE ACCESS IS NOT GOING AWAY.
IT'S EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS NOW, AND IT WILL BE EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS NOW FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
DO I THINK IT WILL BE BORN DIFFICULT TO TRAVEL SOUTH DURING HARVEST SEASON? YEAH, PROBABLY.
UH, AND SO THAT'S GONNA NEED TO BE COORDINATED DURING THE WEEK THEY'RE HARVESTING AND THE WEEK THEY'RE PROBABLY PLANTING.
UM, BUT IT'S THE SAME ISSUE THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH ADA WHEN THEY ARE MOVING THEIR GOODS SOUTH ONTO 70, THAT THAT'S GONNA BE NEEDED TO BE COORDINATED AS WELL BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE VERY LARGE ARTICULATING TRAILERS AND TRUCKS, UM, THAT WILL NEED TO BE COORDINATED WITH, WITH OUR POLICE, UM, LIKE THEY DO NOW TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO WILL THIS BE AN INCONVENIENCE? I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT PROBABLY WILL.
UM, BUT THEY, THEY WILL STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY.
UM, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE MUCH OF AN ISSUE FOR JUST GENERAL MAINTENANCE, BUT DURING HARVEST SEASON, YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COORDINATION THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE THAT PROBABLY HASN'T NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE IN THE PAST BECAUSE THERE'S JUST GONNA BE MORE TRAFFIC, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE SAME.
THE ISSUE AS TRAFFIC JUST GENERALLY GROWS OVER TIME, ALONG 2 35, THAT ACCESS FROM THIS LANE TO 2 35 IS GENERALLY JUST GONNA GET MORE DIFFICULT AS THE YEARS GO BY AS TRAFFIC INCREASES ON 2 35.
MR. JEFFRIES, AARON, IF IT'S THIS CLOSE TO THE BUCKY BOULEVARD, BASICALLY, WOULDN'T IT MAKE SENSE TO JUST LOOK AT LETTING THEM HAVE A WAY TO ACCESS IT FROM NEFF LANE TO BUCKY BOULEVARD EAST OF THE ENTRANCE INTO BUCKY'S PAST THE ENTRANCE, AND THEN THAT WOULD DIVERT ALL OF THEIR TRAFFIC TO THE LIGHT? SO THE CHALLENGE I THINK WITH THAT IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT WE HAD, UM, TALKED WITH BUCKY'S ABOUT WAS ESSENTIALLY PUSHING CENTER POINT 70 ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE, TO THE EAST.
SO PUSHING THIS ROAD ORIGINAL ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE THINKING IN 20, 30, 40, 50 YEARS, WHATEVER, THAT THIS MAY NOT BE FARMLAND FOR.
UH, AND HAVING ACCESS TO THAT, THIS SITE IS PRETTY CHALLENGING, UM, FROM A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, UM, BECAUSE OF MCDS RETARDING BASIN OVERLAY, UH, THAT, THAT IMPACTS WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THIS POND.
SO THERE REALLY WASN'T THE ABILITY TO GO MUCH DEEPER OR DEAL WITH PUSHING
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THIS THROUGH.IT, IT, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT OF STORAGE.
YEAH, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE WHERE THE BEND IS THERE, IF THEY CAN COME IN FROM THAT ANGLE FROM THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY, RIGHT? JUST WOULD IT, SO SO THE LANE IS OVER HERE.
I MEAN YOU COULD PROBABLY, I MEAN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT WITH THE, UH, THE ENGINEERS LATER.
JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'D BE EASIER THAN DEALING WITH HARVEST AND TIMING AND ODOT JUST GETTING ALL THE TRAFFIC TO THE LIGHT WITH SAFE FROM A GRADING PERSPECTIVE, YOU COULD PROBABLY BRING IT OVER THROUGH HERE, BUT THERE'S STILL A DROP YEAH.
AND THAT'S A LONG WAY OVER TO THE LEFT LANE ALSO.
FROM THAT SHORTER DISTANCE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GO LEFT, BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW THE LANE IS HERE, THAT ACCESS DOESN'T CHANGE.
YOU CAN SIGN, KIND OF SEE THE CURB.
WELL, THIS IS A BAD DRAWING, BUT THE CURB KIND OF COMES HERE.
THE LANE IS EFFECTIVELY RIGHT THERE.
WE COULD LOOK AT, WE, WE CAN LOOK AT THIS IN, UH, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE GO BY.
I THINK THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS, BUT, BUT I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH THEM A BIT.
I'M COGNIZANT OF THE, OF THEM NEEDING TO MAINTAIN ACCESS.
WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF ELIMINATING ACCESS AT ALL.
I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU THAT IT'S GONNA BE AS EASY AS IT IS TODAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SHE SIGNED IN BECAUSE I DIDN'T CATCH HER NAME.
MS. NEFF, DID YOU SIGN IN BY CHANCE? I DID.
I'M GONNA WRITE DOWN THAT IT IS MY, OH, THERE'S NO PEN HERE.
I'M GONNA WRITE MY MOTHER'S NAME SO YOU HAVE HER.
AND, AND I KNOW YOUR MOTHER'S NAME, I JUST DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME.
YES, MY NAME IS DEB BEMAN AND IT'S B-E-I-S-M-A-N-N.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? GOOD EVENING.
THIS IS MY SON, MATTHEW HELTON.
HIS FATHER, RICK HELTON IS HERE AS WELL AS HIS GRANDPARENTS.
UM, MR. AND MRS. CORCORAN, UM, WE WERE HERE BEFORE WE STARTED.
AS SOON AS BUCKY'S CAME IN, WE CAME IN AND, AND SPOKE ABOUT, UH, UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLES.
JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS IS A TABLE THAT'S HEIGHT ADJUSTABLE AND IT CAN HOLD ANY LAYER UP TO 400 TO 500 POUNDS.
UM, THE REASON THAT THESE UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLES ARE SO IMPORTANT IS WITHOUT THEM, WE HAVE NO PLACE, UH, FOR MATTHEW TO HAVE A RESTROOM.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I URGE ANYBODY WHO'S IN HERE TO THINK ABOUT GOING INTO PUBLIC AND NOT HAVING A RESTROOM AVAILABLE TO YOU.
WHAT'S HAPPENED IS, UH, WE HAVE TO EITHER STAY HOME OR WE HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE CHANGED ON BATHROOM FLOORS OR IN THE GRASS, OR IN MATTHEW'S CASE IN THE BACK OF OUR VAN FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
WE ARE ALSO PART OF A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN CHANGING SPACES.
WE RUN THE OHIO GROUP WITH MY, UH, CO-LEAD, KIM BOLTER.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAME HERE AS SOON AS BUCKY'S CAME IN AND SAID, OKAY, GREAT, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT THIS, THIS NEED.
UM, AND SO WE LIKE TO TRY TO GET HERE IN THE BEGINNING SO THAT FOLKS CAN UNDERSTAND THE NEED.
UM, I'M GONNA BE REAL HONEST WHEN I HEAR THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THIS MAY NOT HAPPEN, I AM STILL HOLDING HOPE BECAUSE I JUST CANNOT BELIEVE THAT, UM, A PLACE SUCH AS BUCKY'S THE SIZE THAT IT IS, AND IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY BOAST ABOUT IS THEIR CLEAN RESTROOMS. AND SO I'D HAVE TO, IT, IT WOULD MAKE ME EXTREMELY SAD TO HEAR THAT RESTROOMS ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THEM.
AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE SOMEBODY TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHY JUST THE RESTROOMS FOR THOSE OF US WHO, WHO USE THEM IN A CERTAIN WAY ARE IMPORTANT, BUT NOT FOR OTHERS.
I'D LIKE SOMEBODY TO LOOK MY SON IN THE EYE AND TELL HIM THAT.
SO I, I DO WANNA THANK, UM, AARON IS, IS WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, MR. CASSIDY, YOU MENTIONED THE BUILDING CODE.
IT DID COME INTO BUILDING CODE MARCH 1ST, OHIO
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BUILDING CODE.IT'S ALSO AN INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, BUT OHIO DID, UM, ADOPT THE CODE MARCH 1ST.
AND, UH, THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT IT DEPENDS UPON IF THEY ARE CATEGORIZED AS A CATEGORY A OR M AND THAT IS UP TO THE LOCAL BUILDING CODE OFFICIAL.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT AARON'S WORKING ON THAT AND TRYING TO FIND OUT, UM, WHO DOES CATEGORIZE THAT? MY HOPE WOULD BE, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S IN BUILDING CODE OR NOT, THIS IS THE 74,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH 699 PARKING SPACES AND 250 PUMPS.
THIS IS, THIS IS RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY.
UM, RECENTLY SOMETHING INTERESTING HAPPENED IN OUR FAMILY, OUR MIDDLE SON AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW, WHO ARE EXPECTING OUR FIRST GRANDCHILD JUST MOVE TO MAINE.
AND THE SAD TRUTH IS THAT MATTHEW'S NOT GONNA GET TO MAINE.
THERE'S NOT A WAY FOR ME TO DRIVE 19 HOURS WITH HIM WHEN I HAVE NO PLACE TO STOP TO CHANGE HIM.
SO HIS NIECE WON'T REALLY KNOW HIM SO WELL AND HE WON'T KNOW HER.
SO I LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE BUCKY'S THAT'S RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY AND IS SO WELL KNOWN AND SO WELL TRAVELED AS SUCH AN OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN UP, NOT JUST TO HUBER HEIGHTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTRY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAVELING THROUGH THE STATES.
EVERYWHERE I GO, PEOPLE ARE ASKING ME WHAT'S GOING ON WITH BUCKY'S.
I TALK TO PEOPLE ALL ACROSS OHIO DAILY.
I TALK TO PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY THROUGH OUR NATIONAL CAMPAIGN.
THE OTHER STATES ARE ASKING WHAT'S GOING ON WITH BUCKY'S.
THERE IS SO MUCH HOPE THAT BUCKY'S COULD HAVE THE UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLE SO THAT WE COULD OPEN UP TRAVEL AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR SO MANY PEOPLE.
SO I DO, I THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE TAKEN AN INTEREST.
I BROUGHT, WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU AND, UM, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT IT TONIGHT.
MAKES US VERY HAPPY AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I URGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO PUSH.
IT'S BEEN STATED TONIGHT THAT THERE'S NOT SOMEBODY HERE FROM BUCKY'S WHO COULD ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLE.
I AM VERY OPEN TO A CONTACT IF I CAN HAVE A CONTACT BECAUSE I HAVE, WHEN WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, THEY HAVE GIVEN ME CARDS, I HAVE CONTACTED THEM, I SHARED INFORMATION, I'VE CALLED AND I'VE HEARD NOTHING.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS A CONTACT THAT I COULD SPEAK TO, BECAUSE WE ARE TRULY HERE FOR EDUCATION AND WE'RE TRULY HERE, I JUST WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WHY.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.
AND AGAIN, I THINK, I THINK YOU ALL, BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE YOU ARE DOING WHAT YOU CAN, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
AND THAT MAKES ME VERY PROUD IN MY HOME AND I HOPE THAT YOU CONTINUE.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M, I'M AVAILABLE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE IN HEARING? NO ONE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PORTION OF THE PUBLIC.
UM, ANYONE ON THE DIOCESE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF WE COULD CONSIDER MAKING ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO INSTALL THE UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLES.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S SUPPORT AMONG THIS GROUP TO DO THAT, MR. SLL.
SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND AND IT'S SYMPATHETIC AND AND AGREE WITH THAT, UM, WITH THAT PATH, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT'S NOT THE BEST COURSE BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY NOT A ZONING ISSUE.
UM, AND IT'S NOT OUR BUILDING CODE TO ENFORCE.
UM, I, I THINK THAT, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN MAKING THIS A CONDITION THAT IT'S REALLY OUT OF OUR PURVIEW TO ENFORCE.
SO, SO AS MUCH AS I UNANIMOUS ASK AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE A CONDITION, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE FROM A LAND LAND'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S A STATE THAT THE STATE HAS PASSED IT? SO I'M WAITING TO GET CLARIFICATION FROM THE COUNTY ON WHAT THIS WAS REALLY CLASSIFIED AS AND WHY THE BUILDING WAS CLASSIFIED THE WAY THEY'VE CLASSIFIED IT.
SO I'M STILL WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THAT, BUT I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
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I JUST DON'T THINK THIS, THIS IS THE RIGHT AVENUE.I MEAN, MY ONLY ASK ON THAT WOULD BE IS IT, I KNOW WE CAN'T TELL PEOPLE HOW TO BUILD THEIR BUSINESS AND WHAT TO DO.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING WITH THEM THAT WOULD GO BACK AS, HEY, THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION FOR PLANNING OR AN ASK.
WE'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, HOLD THE APPROVAL UP ON IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE WOULD AS A GROUP STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO YEAH, AND, AND, AND AS, AS THEY STATED, THERE'S, THERE'S STILL SOME TIME HERE, UM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PULLING BUILDING PERMITS TOMORROW.
UM, SO I THINK THERE'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY.
ANYTHING ELSE? I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THEY HEARD THE PRESENTATION, THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF IT, AND WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A REPRESENTATIVE HERE.
IF THEY COULD TAKE THAT MESSAGE BACK AND JUST DELIVER IT TO THE OPERATIONS TEAM AND JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF NOT JUST WHO'S HERE TONIGHT, BUT THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL AND THE TRAVELERS IN GENERAL WOULD BE MY, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE MY ASK.
I WILL SAY FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, WE WILL BE INSTALLING ONE AT THE NEW SENIOR CENTER THAT WILL BE UNDER RENOVATION, UH, AS WELL AS THE GOVERNANCE CENTER THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AS WELL.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR PART.
ANYTHING ELSE? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT BUCKY'S HUBER HEIGHTS, LLC, FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN? THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 8,000 STATE ROUTE 2 35, CASE DDP 24 DASH ZERO NINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED MAY 9TH, 2024.
IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AS AMENDED MOTION MOTION BY MR. JEFFRIES.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. THOMAS? SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE MR. CASSIDY? YES.
MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO, WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, SO NEXT I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE APPLICANT AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS, UM, FROM US.
UM, WE WILL MAKE SOME REVISIONS, UM, TO THE, THE DECISION ORDER.
UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.
AND MR. SORELL, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE DS? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
UH, AT THIS MOMENT I THINK WE'LL TAKE A, ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK HERE AND THEN, UH, RESUME THE REST OF OUR MEETING.
THAT WORK CLEARED OUT WHOLE TIME.
WHAT'S A SHAME KIND OF PUTTING THIS OUT? BECAUSE I, WE NEED HELP.
WE AS A COMMUNITY OF COURSE I'M WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, SO A LOT OF PLANS LIKE THAT HAVE KEPT FOR THAT REASON TO, HERE'S THE ORIGINAL BUCKY.
BELIEVE THEY ONLY HAD, WHAT WAS IT, 11 OR 20? THE I, TO ME THIS DID YOU HEAR HIM SAY PLOT? THIS AREA IS ALWAYS JENNIFER.
I THINK SEMIS KNOW ABOUT THEY ENFORCE IT ALLOWED IN.
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I THINK, I THINK WE'LL HELP OUT.THERE'S GOTTA BE, I THINK SOMETHING PROGRESS.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, BUSINESS APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 9TH, 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE APPROVED.
AND HEARING NO OBJECTIONS, THOSE ARE APPROVED REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW MR. RELL.
MR. UH, MR. SIR, I'LL REPORTS SOME CALENDAR REVIEW.
SO FOR NEXT MONTH, UM, WE HAVE A SMALL REPL THAT IS COMING THROUGH.
UH, WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH, UM, HOMESTEAD ON AN APARTMENT, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN CARRIAGE TRAILS.
WE RECENTLY ENTERED INTO A, UM, UH, UH, PURCHASE LAND PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
SO THAT MAY COME, UH, NEXT MONTH, BUT MORE LIKELY, UH, JULY.
AND THAT NEXT MONTH IS PROBABLY GONNA BE PRETTY LIGHT.
WHERE'S THE REFLEX? I THINK SO.
SO, UM, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A TESLA, UH, CHARGING STATION DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT ELON FIRED ALL HIS TESLA'S CHARGING STATION EMPLOYEES, SO THEY'VE ASKED US TO PUT THAT ON HOLD FOR A BIT.
UH, SO WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING AT TESLA, THEY SAID THEY'D GET BACK WITH US.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY JUNE, JULY OR JULY OR AUGUST.
RECALL IN THE, UM, IN THE, IN THE
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TALK ABOUT THE, THE CHARGING STATIONS FOR BUCKY'S, THAT WAS CALLED TESLA CHARGING STATIONS.IS THAT JUST A NAME BRAND? UH, THE TESLA CHARGING STATION, LIKE A KLEENEX TO FACIAL TISSUE.
SO I THINK IT'S BE, IT'S IT, YES AND NO.
UM, SO THEY ARE TESLA BRANDED, BUT UM, THEY ARE THE FAST CHARGERS THAT THE OTHER CAR COMPANIES ARE ADOPTING AS THE STANDARD BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH FASTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE'S.
UM, I, MY UNDERSTANDING, I DON'T OWN AN EV BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE ADAPTERS FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST TESLAS THAT CAN USE THEM.
THERE ARE OTHER EV CARS THAT CAN ROLL UP AND, AND CHARGE.
SO GM JUST SIGNED ON TO LICENSE WITH THEM RECENTLY.
AND AND IS IT THE ONE THAT, AND IT'S THE CHARGING NETWORK.
SO THE EVS WILL TELL YOU HOW FAR UNTIL YOU RUN OUT JUICE AND IT KNOWS WHERE THE NEXT CHARGING STATION IS IN THE NETWORK.
SO IT'LL SAY YOU'RE GONNA RUN OUT AND GO HERE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING UP BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? I DO.
MR. JEFFRIES JUST ONE ON, ON THE HOMESTEAD THING.
JOKING, NOT JOKING, BUT WHEN THEY GO TO BUILD THESE APARTMENTS, IT'S, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER THEY HAD AN APARTMENT PROJECT THEY WALKED AWAY FROM THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS BUILDING SO THEY CAN BUILD THIS ONE UP A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S JUST MY RESIDENTIAL THOUGHT.
UM, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT BEARCAT STORAGE OVER BY CARRIAGE TRAILS.
UM, THEY DID PUT THE FENCE UP IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, WHICH I CALLED JOHN AARON.
IF YOU GO BY IT, I MEAN IT IS, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO MAKE A STORAGE UNIT LOOK PRETTY, BUT IT LOOKS CHEAP THE WHOLE FACILITY DOES FOR THESE RESIDENTS.
SO AGAIN, I BROUGHT IT UP A HUNDRED TIMES RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT COMMERCIAL.
I ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO DRIVE BY AND LOOK AT IT AND YOU'LL SEE EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN.
IT'S THAT IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
IT'S THAT BLUE COLOR, IT LOOKS AWFUL.
AND NOT JUST STORAGE UNITS, RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT THAT COMES OUT LOOKING LIKE THAT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
WELL, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, ESPECIALLY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A METAL SHED
UM, DON FOLLOWED UP TODAY WITH, WITH 'EM, UM, THEY'VE BEEN FIGHTING THE RAIN FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THEIR LANDSCAPING.
SO IT, THEY ARE BUILDING ACCORDING TO APPROVED PLANS.
UM, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN DELAYED AS FAR AS THE INSTALLATION OF THE REST OF THEIR LANDSCAPING 'CAUSE OF, BUT I KNOW THEY WERE OPEN BEFORE THAT FENCE WAS PUT IN, WHICH WAS THE LIGHT TRESPASS GUARD FOR THE RESIDENCE.
WELL WE OFTEN, UM, ALLOW BUSINESSES OPEN PRIOR TO ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING BEING DONE JUST BECAUSE YOU, YOU NEVER KNOW IN MAY WHEN IT, WELL, I GET THE LANDSCAPING, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FENCE.
'CAUSE THE, THE FENCE OUT FRONT WAS DONE.
IT'S NOT THE FENCE THAT SHIELDED LIGHT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
SO THAT WAS THE ONE, ONE THING IN THERE.
AND I STILL THINK THAT THE TRUCK BEING PARKED OUT FRONT EVERY DAY IS A VIOLATION OF THE SIGN CODE, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, LIKE THE SIGN CODE OR NOT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? YEAH, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, WHAT IS, ARE WE MOVING FORWARD ACROSS FROM THE OAKS THAT PROPERTY? WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH I PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ME AND I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW.
I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT TOO.
YEAH, SO WE, UH, AS COUNCIL IS, I DON'T, I WHAT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY VOTED ON IT THURSDAY OR NOT.
IT WAS UNDER CONSIDERATION THE TIFF AGREEMENT FOR, UH, FOR THAT PROPERTY, UH, FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
UM, BUT YES, THEY, THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD.
I KNOW THEY HAD SOME DELAYS, BUT IT IS, IT IS NOW PICKING BACK UP.
SO I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE DIRT MOVING THIRD QUARTER IS WHAT I'M, IS WHAT I RECALL BEING TOLD.
WHAT ABOUT THE ONE ON CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, WAY UP WAY, WAY UP THERE, UH, PAST KIND OF ACROSS FROM, UM, UM, TALKING ABOUT, UM, YES, THAT ONE
UM, SO WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEW GROUP, UM, WHO IS UNDER CONTRACT TO BUY THAT PROPERTY.
UM, THEY WANT TO DO ESSENTIALLY THE EXACT SAME THING THAT THEY WERE APPROVED TO DO.
UM, SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM ON, UM, ON, ON ON THEIR FINANCING TO, FOR THEIR, FOR, UH, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR THAT SUBDIVISION.
IT'S THE SAME, EFFECTIVELY THE SAME DESIGN.
UH, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, 'CAUSE THEY, THEY GOT, THEY, THAT SUBDIVISION HAS DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE FIRST 30 OR 40 UNITS.
THEY WANT TO CHANGE, UM, HOW THEY DO THE ENTRANCE TEMPORARILY.
UM, BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA BUILD BOTH ENTRANCES AND THAT WAS A LOT OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT FOR EFFECTIVELY 30 HOUSES.
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SO THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO CHANGE, UH, HOW THEY MEET THE, THE TWO ENTRANCES, UM, INITIALLY SO THAT THEY, THEY DON'T INCUR SUCH A HUGE COST ON PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR 30 HOUSES.THEY WANT TO GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER OFF OF ONE ENTRANCE THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, CONTEMPLATED.
SO I THINK WE WILL SEE THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT COME BACK SIMPLY FOR, UM, A DESIGN A CHANGE IN THE, THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN THE FIRST SECTION.
BUT, UM, THEY, UH, IT'S, IT'S THE SAME HOME BUILDER THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED.
IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT LAND DEVELOPER.
THAT WAS A REALLY ONLY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, BUT YEAH,
ANYBODY ELSE STAND ADJOURNED? THEY.