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[ CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS STATE OF OHIO Charter Review Commission]
GOOD EVENING.I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS, UH, MARCH 20TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
OUR INITIAL MEETING TO ORDER, IT'S 6:01 PM AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY THANKING EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE AND FOR HAVING AN INTEREST IN BEING A PART OF THIS PROCESS.
UM, WE GOT A LITTLE ROAD AHEAD OF US TO GO TO, UM, BUT, UM, I'M SURE YOU'LL FIND IT A GOOD EXPERIENCE IN LEARNING EXPERIENCE AS WE, UM, MOVE ALONG THROUGH THE CHARTER.
SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA, I'M THE CLERK OF COUNCIL, IF EVERYBODY'S NOT AWARE, BUT I'M ALSO THE STAFF LIAISON FOR THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION.
AND, UM, TILL, UH, THE NEXT MEETING WHEN WE HAVE AN ELECTED CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO RUN THE MEETING, I'LL JUST BE RUNNING THE MEETING TONIGHT AND THEN, UH, SOMEONE ELSE WILL TAKE OVER FROM HERE.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I'M PERFORMING THIS ROLE THIS EVENING.
SO WE'RE GONNA START OFF, UH, WITH ROLL CALL.
SO, UM, IF YOU'RE PRESENT, PLEASE INDICATE SO OR INDICATE BY SAYING YES.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, THE TWO MEMBERS, UM, WHO HAPPENED TO BE OUR CITY STAFF MEMBERS, UH, MR. Z IS ILL THIS WEEK, AND, UM, NOT ABLE TO BE PRESENT HERE.
AND, UH, MR. RUSSELL HAD ANOTHER COMMITMENT THAT PREVENTED HIM FROM BEING HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE MEETING AS PLANNED.
SO, UH, MOVING ALONG ON THE AGENDA.
ITEM TWO IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T HAVE THAT FOR THIS EVENING BECAUSE, UH, THERE IS, UM, NO MINUTES TO APPROVE YET.
SO, NEXT WE'LL GO TO, UM, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION.
UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA.
AND ITEM NUMBER THREE, A INTRODUCTIONS.
UM, SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU EACH AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT YOURSELF AND, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO YOUR COLLEAGUES THAT YOU'LL BE SERVING WITH ON THE COMMISSION, UM, SO THAT WE COULD GET ACQUAINTED.
AND THEN, UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION, DISCUSSING ELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR.
AND GO, UH, EVERYBODY, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR MICROPHONES ON SO WE CAN HEAR WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING IN CLOSE ALL THE NEW PHONES.
I, I WENT OVER THAT WITH THEM.
WELL, I DIDN'T HEAR, I DIDN'T SEE ANY OTHER ALARM, SO, WELL, THEY DON'T TURN 'EM ON UNTIL THEY TALK.
SO, UM, LET'S START WITH ANGELA.
UH, ANGELA SUMMERS, I HAVE BEEN BORN, BORN AND RAISED WITH HEIGHTS AND CLASS OF 99 WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL, AND MOVED BACK HERE IN 2013 WITH MY FAMILY.
AND, UM, I'M EXCITED TO BE SERVING JEN EK.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HUBER HEIGHTS SINCE BEFORE IT WAS INCORPORATED.
UM, EXCITED TO BE SERVING ON THIS COMMISSION AND LOOKING FORWARD TO PARTICIPATING IN CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL MY PEERS, MATT SCHAPER.
BORN AND RAISED HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, UM, 1989, GRADUATE OF WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL, AND THE SON OF THE FIRST MAYOR OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, AND VERY EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMISSION AND EXCITED TO WORK WITH ALL MY COLLEAGUES TOGETHER.
I'M DOM WEBB, UH, CITY COUNCILMAN HUBER HEIGHTS, WARD TWO.
AND, UH, I'M EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMISSION AS WELL.
UH, AND, UH, WOULD LIKE TO ALSO THANK, UH, UH, THOSE CITIZENS WHO'VE STEPPED UP HERE TONIGHT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR INVOLVEMENT.
UM, I'M CITY COUNCIL AT LARGE.
UH, BEEN IN HUBER HEIGHTS SINCE 2002, UM, AND I'M WAS ON THE LAST CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, AND I'M HAPPY TO BE ON IT AGAIN WITH THIS FINE GROUP OF PEOPLE.
UH, MARK CAMPBELL, HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL, WARD FIVE, LIFELONG RESIDENT OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UH, WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL CLASS OF 1976.
UH, I SERVED ON THE, UH, FIRST HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, CHARTER COMMISSION IN 1981.
AND THEN, LIKE NANCY, I SERVED ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION LAST TIME.
THANKS FOR VOLUNTEERING, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION.
UH, I'M ORIGINALLY FROM CINCINNATI, OHIO, OR A SMALL TOWN OUTSIDE OF CINCINNATI, OHIO, UH, LINCOLN HEIGHTS.
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AND THEN I'VE BEEN A HUBER HEIGHTS RESIDENCE SINCE 2014, WHENEVER I MET MY WIFE.AND, UM, I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE MAYOR GORE'S PRESENCE HERE AT THE MEETING.
UM, THE MAYOR IS AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER OF ANY CITY BOARDS OR COMMISSION, SO, UM, HE CAN PARTICIPATE AS A NON-VOTING MEMBER AS HE CHOOSES TO DO SO.
UM, MAYOR, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? NOTHING MORE THAN JUST, I YOU THANKFUL APPRECIATE YOUR MONEY FOR, UH, STEPPING UP VOLUNTEERING.
I KNOW IT ALWAYS DOESN'T SEEM EASY.
UM, PUTTING YOURSELF IN A PUBLIC EYE ISN'T ALWAYS THE EASIEST THING TO DO, AND, UH, AS, AS WE'VE SEEN.
BUT I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR EACH OTHER, ONE OF YOU, AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND, AND PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE AND, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO THE WORK THAT YOU DO.
UH, THE NEXT STEP WE HAVE IS, UH, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, HAVE YOU SWORN INTO OFFICE, UM, AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION.
SO I'D ASK EVERYBODY TO STAND AND, UH, WE'LL JUST DO THIS JOINTLY.
UH, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND, UH, JUST REPEAT AFTER ME.
I, I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM.
DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF OHIO, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF OHIO, THE CHARTER AND ALL ORDINANCES OF THE CITY, THE CHARTER, AND ALL ORDINANCES OF THE CITY.
AND THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY, AND THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY HONESTLY, AND IMPARTIALLY HONESTLY, AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE.
DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES.
I WILL PASS DOWN, UH, AN OATH FORM.
UM, BEFORE YOU LEAVE TONIGHT, I WOULD JUST NEED YOU TO, UH, FILL OUT THE APPLICABLE PARTS WHERE YOU SIGN, AND, UM, RETURN THAT TO ME.
CREDIT CARD, ENVELOPE, CREDIT CARDS, IF ALL YOUR, OKAY.
UM, NEXT ON THE AGENDA WOULD BE THE, UM, ELECTION OF A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
SO, HOW WE TYPICALLY DO THIS WOULD BE, UM, PEOPLE COULD NOMINATE THEMSELVES AND EXPRESS AN INTEREST, UM, OR ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, UH, COULD NOMINATE SOMEBODY THEY THINK WOULD BE GOOD IN THAT CAPACITY.
AND, UM, ONCE WE'RE CLEAR ON WHO'S INTERESTED IN SERVING AS THE CHAIR, WE'LL START WITH THE CHAIR AND THEN MOVE TO THE VICE CHAIR.
UM, THEN, UH, IF THERE'S JUST ONE PERSON, WE WILL RATIFY THAT DECISION BY A VOTE.
UM, IF THERE'S, UH, MORE THAN ONE PERSON, UM, WE WILL, UH, GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO SAVE SOMETHING ON THEIR BEHALF.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT IT TO A VOTE, UM, UH, IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THE PEOPLE ARE NOMINATED.
SO, UM, IS THERE ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN SERVING AS THE CHAIR? I THINK TYPICALLY WE'VE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CITIZEN MEMBERS TAKE A LEAD IN, IN SOME OF THIS.
I MEAN, COUNCIL'S USED TO, UH, SERVING IN A LEADERSHIP ROLE.
SO, UH, GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, UH, PLAY A ROLE OF SIGNIFICANCE IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, COULD YOU JUST BRIEFLY DISCUSS, UH, WHAT THE CHAIR IS GONNA BE EXPECTED TO DO? SURE.
UM, SO THE CHAIR IS, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR KIND OF RUNNING THE MEETING LIKE I'M DOING NOW, OR THE MAYOR WOULD DO AT, AT, AT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS.
MAINTAINING ORDER, UH, FOLLOWING THE AGENDA, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD IN THE DISCUSSIONS.
UM, MAINTAINING DECORUM AND ORDER FOR THE, UH, COMMISSION AND ANY OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE PRESENT HERE IN ATTENDANCE.
UM, YOU WOULD, UH, SEEK THE CHAIR'S, UH, APPROVAL TO SPEAK.
SO, UH, UH, WHEN, WHEN THEY ACKNOWLEDGE YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THAT TIME.
NOT, SO IT'S, WE HAVE AN ORDERLY PROCESS AND NOT EVERYBODY, UH, TALKING OVER ONE ANOTHER, UM, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
UM, AND THEN THE PERSON WOULD ALSO WORK WITH ME IN, IN TERMS OF, UH, DEFINING SOME OF THE GOALS OF THE AGENDA SETTING FOR THE, THE UPCOMING MEETINGS.
IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT I'LL DO A LOT OF THE HARD LIFTING FOR YOU.
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AND YOU, YOU CAN COME IN AND, UH, I'LL MAKE SURE YOU'RE WELL PREPARED.HOW ABOUT I'LL MAKE A NOMINATION.
UH, HOW ABOUT, UH, MATT SCHOMER.
MATT, ARE YOU WILLING TO CHAIR? YES.
AND IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'S INTERESTED IN THE CHAIR POSITION? YEAH.
UM, THEN, UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL PROCEED TO A VOTE.
UM, FIRST UP WOULD BE MR. DILLINGHAM.
MR. SCHAPER? I ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR MYSELF.
SO THE MOTION PASSES SIX TO ZERO, SEVEN TO ZERO.
YOU'LL BE SERVING IN THIS CAPACITY FOR THE NEXT MEETING THEN.
SO, SO NOW I GET TO KEEP DON IN LINE THAT THE CHAIR, AND YOU'LL SIT HERE FOR THE MEETING.
SO, AND WE CAN MOVE YOU GUYS THIS WAY.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN SERVING AS THE VICE CHAIR? AND THE VICE CHAIR REALLY IS JUST A, A BACKUP IN CASE THE CHAIR IS NOT ABLE TO BE PRESENT THE MEETING.
THEY PERFORM THE SAME FUNCTIONS AS THE CHAIR, BUT JUST ON A FILL IN BASIS.
IS IT, IS IT USUALLY A CITIZEN WHO VICE CHAIRS? YEAH.
I MEAN, I, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT.
YOU INTERESTED? I'D BE INTERESTED.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'S INTERESTED IN VICE CHAIR BESIDES MRS. SUMMERS? OKAY.
SEEING NO OTHER INTEREST, WE'LL PROCEED TO THE VOTE.
NEXT WE'LL PROCEED TO ITEM THREE C.
UH, TRY TO REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE.
I, UM, WAS MENTIONING TO SOME OF YOU BEFORE THE MEETING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME THAT WE ARE TRYING TO FOCUS ON AND NOT HAVE TOO MANY MEETINGS AT ONCE.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO WORK AROUND THE AVAILABILITY OF THIS ROOM BECAUSE THIS ROOM IS USED A LOT OF EVENINGS FOR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND COUNCIL.
SO, UM, I PREPARED A, UM, DRAFT MEETING SCHEDULE THAT I THINK WOULD MEET OUR GOALS.
AND, UM, I WANTED TO REVIEW THAT.
AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE TWO PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT, BUT, UM, I THINK RICK'S PRETTY FLEXIBLE.
AND JOHN, I'VE TALKED TO THE KNIGHTS, HIS AVAILABILITY DOES NOT WORK.
AND, UM, HE'S, HE'S OKAY WITH THESE DATES, I THINK, GENERALLY.
SO, UM, ERIC, DID YOU WANT TO OH, CRAP.
UM, I WASN'T ABLE TO STICK TO JUST WEDNESDAY NIGHTS, UH, WHERE WEDNESDAY NIGHTS WERE AVAILABLE.
UM, BUT THERE AREN'T A LOT OF NIGHTS LEFT AVAILABLE IN THIS ROOM, SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY I HAD THE, UH, MARCH 20TH DATE TONIGHT ON HERE.
AND THEN THE REST OF THIS WOULD BE A DRAFT UNTIL WE HAVE SOME AGREEMENT AROUND THE SCHEDULE.
UM, BUT WE NEED TO KIND OF LAY OUT, AND I THINK SEVEN ADDITIONAL MEETINGS DOES ALLOW FOR, UH, BASED ON PAST EXPERIENCE FOR AN APPROPRIATE REVIEW OF THE, UH, ELEMENTS OF THE CHARTER.
AND THEN IF ADDITIONAL TIME IS WARRANTED OR NEEDED, WE CERTAINLY CAN EXTEND THE MEETING SCHEDULE BEYOND THAT.
BUT, UH, THIS WAS JUST AN INITIAL STAB AT DOING THAT.
SO PROBABLY RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ALL NINE PEOPLE AT EVERY MEETING.
UH, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MEETING DATES WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST ACHIEVE, UM, A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE BEING HERE.
AND IF WE CAN GET EVERYBODY HERE, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE EVEN BETTER.
SO, ARE THERE ANY DATES THAT, UM, STICK OUT AS BEING A CONFLICT FOR ANYBODY? THE 10TH OF APRIL.
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I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DID IT, BUT I'M AVAILABLE ON EVERY ONE OF THESE DATES, TONY.UM, FOR THE 10TH TWO OF THE NIGHTS ON HERE, I DO HAVE ALTERNATIVE DATES THAT WE COULD WORK WITH IF, IF POSSIBLE.
UM, THE 10TH, THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE APRIL 17TH, UH, WHICH IS A WEDNESDAY, BUT I KNOW THAT, UM, JOHN RUSSELL WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE ON THAT WEDNESDAY SUCK.
I CANNOT, YEAH, JUNE 3RD IS THE ONLY ONE I CAN'T MAKE.
I WOULD BE OUT JUNE 3RD AND JUNE 12TH.
WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE JUNE 3RD ONE ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
LET'S, LET'S GO ABOUT THIS A LITTLE MORE METHODICALLY.
UH, IS, IS APRIL 1ST A PROBLEM FOR ANYBODY? NO.
UM, APRIL 10TH, NANCY SAID SHE WAS NOT AVAILABLE.
UM, IS ANYONE ELSE NOT AVAILABLE? SO IF WE MOVE IT TO THE 17TH, THEN JOHN RUSSELL'S NOT AVAILABLE, BE AVAILABLE ON 17TH.
SO, UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE ONE YOU'D HAVE TO MISS.
I, WELL, OR LET ME SEE IF I CAN WORK IT.
I HAVE, OH, 17TH, ALL WILL NOT BE A HELL OF A, OKAY, SO, OKAY.
MARK, IS THIS WORKING FOR YOU? YES.
THEN WE HAVE MAY 8TH, WHICH I THINK SOMEONE SAID THEY HAD AN ISSUE.
UM, ARE YOU GONNA BE GONE THAT WHOLE WEEK? I, NO, I'LL BE OUTTA TOWN THAT WEDNESDAY THROUGH.
BECAUSE I HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THE EIGHTH, WHICH WOULD BE MAY 6TH ON MONDAY.
UM, IF THAT WOULD BE BETTER ON MAY 6TH ON MONDAY? YEAH.
YEAH, THAT WOULD WORK FOR MAY BETTER.
'CAUSE I HEARD THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE NOT AVAILABLE, UH, JUNE 12TH.
UH, MATT SAID HE WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE VICE CHAIR'S CHANCE TO SHINE, UM, JUNE 25TH AND THEN JUNE 25TH.
SO IF THAT WOULD BE OKAY, UM, I'D ASK THE BOARD TO RATIFY THAT SCHEDULE THAT, THAT, UM, WE PROBABLY NEED TO FIND ONE MORE MEETING TO SPACE OUT ALL OF THE SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER, UH, APPROPRIATELY.
BUT, UM, I MAY BE ABLE TO WORK THAT AROUND TOO.
UM, LOOKING AT THAT, I TRIED TO GROUP THE ONES THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE LESS CONTROVERSIAL, AND THEN THE ONES THAT HAVE MORE PROBABLY DISCUSSION AROUND THEM, UM, TO ALLOW US SOME MORE TIME TO FOCUS ON THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS OF THE CHARTER.
SO, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF SEE HOW IT GOES WITH THE PROGRESS, AND IF WE NEED TO ADD ANOTHER MEETING AND THERE'S SOMEWHERE, I'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME ADDITIONAL DATES, IF THAT'S OKAY.
SO, UM, IF WE COULD HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE SCHEDULE AS, UM, MOTIONED, AS DISCUSSED.
YOU GOT IT? MRS. SUMMERS? YES.
DID WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 10TH? UH, YEAH, WE JUST CHANGED THAT, DIDN'T WE? YEAH.
YEAH, WE DID THAT LAST NIGHT AND I DID THIS BEFORE THAT.
WELL THEN WHAT ABOUT, UM, WELL, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING ON ONE OF THE NIGHTS.
WE SWITCHED COUNCIL MEETING LAST
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NIGHT.WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THAT 'CAUSE OF THE ECLIPSE.
UM, WOULD POSSIBLY, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T BASICALLY CHANGE IT YET.
BUT I THINK THERE'S, UM, THERE'S SOMEONE, THERE'S ANOTHER THERE MEETING IN THE ROOM ON THURSDAY, I THINK.
PROPERTY MEETINGS, REVIEW BOARD, PARKS AND REC IN, UM, ABOUT, WE'LL JUST KEEP THAT ONE ALTERNATIVELY, AND I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER DATES.
I MIGHT EMAIL YOU GUYS AND PLUG IN ANOTHER DATE IN APRIL THERE.
SO NO, APRIL 10TH, RIGHT? SO NO, APRIL 10TH AT THIS POINT.
BUT, BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT ANSWER.
SO THEN MOVING ON TO ITEM 3D CHARTER TO REVIEW, COMMISSION REVIEW PROCESS DISCUSSION.
UM, I KNOW WE TALKED WITH MOST OF YOU ABOUT THIS THROUGH THE INTERVIEW PROCESS AND CERTAINLY COUNSEL'S AWARE, BUT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO WALK YOU THROUGH, UH, THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING TO UNDERGO HERE OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS.
UM, THE CHARTER, UH, YOU KNOW, IS THE DOCUMENT, KIND OF THE FOUNDING DOCUMENT OF THE CITY.
ACTS KIND OF IS THE CITY'S CONSTITUTION, AND, UM, WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 1981.
AND, UM, HAS BEEN REVIEWED SEVERAL TIMES SINCE THEN.
UH, THE PROCESS IS THAT IT MUST BE REVIEWED, UM, AT A MINIMUM EVERY 10 YEARS.
AND, UM, IT CAN BE DONE MORE FREQUENTLY, JUST IT HAS TO BE DONE, UM, EVERY DECADE.
UH, THE LAST CHARTER REVIEW IS, I THINK MOST OF YOU'RE AWARE, WAS DONE IN 2016 AND 17.
THAT WAS ALSO THE FIRST PROCESS THAT RESULTED IN ACTUAL AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CHARTER.
AND, UH, WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THOSE COME OUT OF THAT PROCESS.
UM, WHAT HAPPENS, UM, WHEN WE HAVE ONE OF THESE PROCESSES IS WE GO THROUGH A REVIEW OF THE CITY CHARTER AND, UM, ALL OF ITS, UH, ELEMENTS AND IF THERE'S, UM, SOME IDEAS THAT ARISE FOR CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED, UM, TO THE CITY CHARTER, THOSE CAN BE BROUGHT BY CITY STAFF THAT CAN BE BROUGHT BY YOU AS MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
AND WE'LL ALSO BE HEARING FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, WHICH WOULD ALLOW, UM, THEIR INPUT AS WELL.
AND SO, UM, TAKING ALL OF THIS INPUT AND IDEAS, THEN THIS COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO, AS A GROUP, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOR AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES TO THE CITY CHARTER.
UM, THIS IS A RECOMMENDING BODY, SO IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL'S THE ULTIMATE ARBITRARY OF THESE DECISIONS.
SO ONCE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MADE, AND THIS COMMISSION WOULD PRESENT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FORMALLY TO CITY COUNCIL, THEN, UM, CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERS THEM, HAS THEIR OWN DELIBERATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS, UH, TAKES PUBLIC INPUT, AND, UM, DECIDES WHETHER THEY WANT TO PUT THESE BEFORE THE VOTERS TO SEE THEM, UH, APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED AS CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL CAN, UH, APPROVE THEM AS RECOMMENDED.
THEY CAN, UM, ADD ADDITIONAL THINGS.
THEY CAN, UH, CHANGE THEM FROM THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR THEY CAN JUST DECIDE NOT TO PURSUE THEM, UM, THAT, THAT'S WITHIN THEIR APPROVING.
SO, UH, ONCE COUNCIL APPROVES 'EM, THEY DO SO BY A, UH, AN ORDINANCE, UH, TO PUT THESE ON THE BALLOT BEFORE THE VOTERS.
AND THEN WE SUBMIT THE ORDINANCE TO THE, UH, BOARD OF ELECTIONS.
AND, UM, IT HAS TO BE DONE 90 DAYS BEFORE AN ELECTION.
UH, THE LAST TIME AROUND WHEN WE HAD A LARGE NUMBER OF, UH, CHARTER AMENDMENTS IN ORDER TO AVOID CONFUSION TO, TO THE VOTERS OR JUST KIND OF VOTER FATIGUE, UH, WE, WE, UH, DIVIDED THEM UP OVER TWO ELECTION CYCLES, SO THEY WEREN'T ALL ON ONE ELECTION.
SO THAT, THAT CERTAINLY IS A POSSIBILITY AS WELL.
ONE OTHER THING THAT WE WERE GOING TO ASK THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION TO BE INVOLVED WITH, AND I THINK I TALKED WITH SOME OF YOU ABOUT THIS IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, IS THAT, UH, ONCE THE, UH, BALLOT INITIATIVE WAS CREATED, UM, SHOWING WHAT THE ACTUAL CHARTER AMENDMENTS ARE THAT WE WOULD INVOLVE THE COMMISSION IN HELPING DO VOTER EDUCATION, UH, TO EXPLAIN THE REASONING, UH, BEHIND CHARTER AMENDMENTS, I THINK THE AVERAGE PERSON, UH, DOESN'T OFTEN KNOW WHAT THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS MEAN, OR WHAT THE IMPACT OF THOSE, UH, CHANGES WOULD BE.
SO, UH, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO HAVE THIS COMMISSION BE ENGAGED IN GETTING OUT MATERIALS THAT WE COULD USE ON THE CITY'S SOCIAL MEDIA OR OTHER PLATFORMS, UH, TO PUBLICIZE, UH, THOSE IN A NEUTRAL MANNER.
NOT TO SAY VOTE THIS WAY OR VOTE THAT WAY, BUT TO EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE FOR, UH, WHY THE CHANGE IS BEING RECOMMENDED.
SO, UH, THAT'LL BE AN ADDITIONAL PART OF THE PROCESS
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AS WELL.AND, UM, EVERYBODY'S TERMS WERE APPOINTED TILL THE END OF THIS YEAR, SO IT'S NOT A RUSH.
UH, WE WANT TO DO THIS THOROUGHLY AND, UH, METHODICALLY.
UM, SO WE WILL JUST ASSESS WHERE WE'RE AT AS WE APPROACH THE ELECTION CYCLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE SOME TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE MAY NOT, UM, WHEREVER WE'RE AT IN THAT PART OF THE PROCESS, THEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THAT FORWARD, UH, TO COUNSEL AND THEN, UM, TO REVISIT THE REMAINING THINGS AT, AT A LATER DATE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? MAKING THIS WAY EASIER THAN ME?
UM, SO YOU ALL HAVE PACKETS HERE WHERE YOU HAVE COPIES OF THE CHARTER.
UM, THERE, THERE IS ON OUR C CODE, UM, LINK ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
UH, THE CHARTER IS AVAILABLE ONLINE, SO IT'S SEARCH IN SEARCHABLE CAPACITY.
UM, YOU CAN ALSO DOWNLOAD IT IN WORD IN DIFFERENT FORMATS.
UM, SO IF YOU LIKE THAT BETTER THAN THE PAPER COPY, UM, FEEL FREE TO, UH, UTILIZE THAT RESOURCE AS WELL.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THERE'S 14 SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY LOOKED AT IT.
AND AS I MENTIONED, WE'LL JUST BE BREAKING THOSE DOWN OVER MEETINGS, UM, AND, UM, ASKING YOU TO, UH, REVIEW THOSE, THE SECTIONS OF CHARTER, THE CHARTER THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS AT THE NEXT MEETING, AND, UM, COME PREPARED WITH YOUR THOUGHTS AND SUGGESTIONS TO HAVE A, A GOOD DISCUSSION WHEN WE GET HERE TO THE MEETING ON, ON THOSE PARTICULAR SECTION OR SECTIONS.
UM, SO WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT FOR THE APRIL 1ST MEETING, BE ASKING YOU TO LOOK AT ARTICLES, UH, ONE THROUGH FOUR.
UM, ONE, TWO, AND THREE ARE VERY SMALL, UH, FEW PARAGRAPHS OF THE CHARTER.
AND THEY REALLY SET THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE CHARTER.
SO THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT TO CHANGE.
THEY'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO DISCUSSION IF SOMEBODY HAS AN IDEA.
UH, BUT THEY ESTABLISH THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT, THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY, AND, UH, THE POWERS THAT ARE, ARE GIVEN UNDER THE CHARTER.
UM, SO IT'S A LOT OF LEGALESE AND STUFF THAT, UM, IT'S NOT EASILY CHANGED, BUT COULD BE CHANGED.
AND THEN ARTICLE FOUR, UH, DEALS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, NOW AS THE CHARTER GOES, THE MAYOR'S IN A SEPARATE SECTION FROM THE, THE, UM, COUNCIL IN TERMS OF SOME OF HIS RESPONSIBILITIES, BUT THERE IS SOME OVERLAP IN, INTO THE COUNCIL SECTION AS WELL.
SO, UH, IF EVERYBODY COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT FOR THE NEXT, UH, MEETING, UM, ARTICLES ONE THROUGH FOUR, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE PREPARED TO DISCUSS, AND MR. SHOPPER WILL LEAD US IN THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, SO I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM, UM, THREE E, WHICH IS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION NEEDS STAFF SUPPORT, OTHER ISSUES.
UM, AS I MENTIONED ALREADY, I'LL BE THE STAFF LIAISON, SO I'LL BE, UH, HERE TO ASSIST YOU AND GUIDE YOU IN IN INFORMATIVE WAYS ABOUT THE PROCESS.
I'LL BE DOING A LOT OF THE, UH, BEHIND THE SCENES WORK AS WELL AS FAR AS, UM, GETTING PREPARATION BETWEEN MEETINGS AND, UM, THINGS THAT YOU ASKED TO HAVE FOLLOWED UP ON OR RESEARCHED, UH, TO BRING BACK.
UM, I'LL BE TAKING, UH, NOTES OF THAT INFORMATION AND THEN COMING PREPARED TO THE FOLLOWING MEETING WITH THE THINGS THE COMMISSION REQUESTS.
UM, WE ARE GONNA HAVE, UH, THIS TIME AROUND, WHICH WE DIDN'T THE LAST TIME.
UM, UH, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF SWITCHING, UH, LAW DEPARTMENTS, UH, RIGHT NOW AND THE FIRMS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
UM, BUT WE HOPE TO HAVE OUR NEW FIRM IN PLACE BY APRIL 1ST.
AND THEY'VE INDICATED AN INTEREST IN, UM, HAVING A REPRESENTATIVE BE PART OF THIS PROCESS, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
THE LAST TIME AROUND WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE THE LAW DIRECTOR, UH, PRESENT, I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE QUESTIONS FOR THE LAW DIRECTOR AND GO BACK, GET AN ANSWER, THEN COME BACK TO YOU GUYS.
AND THEN IT WAS KIND OF A PLAYING TELEPHONE SORT OF THING, BUT IT TOOK LONGER.
SO, UM, IN SOME CASES, HAVING THE LAW DIRECTOR PRESENT, UM, MIGHT HELP US, UH, JUST GET AN ANSWER ON THE SPOT WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO POSTPONE A DECISION ON A PARTICULAR ITEM, UM, AND JUST GET THAT ANSWER WHILE THEY'RE HERE.
UM, CITY STAFF WILL HAVE TWO OF THEM ON THE COMMISSION AS RESOURCES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY, IF APPROPRIATE TO CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER TO CALL IN RESPECTIVE CITY STAFF MEMBERS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSION ON, UM, HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT THEIR WORK AND THAT SORT OF THING.
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AND THEN, UM, MY ASSISTANT DEPUTY CLERK WILL BE TAKING THE MINUTES OF THESE MEETINGS, UM, FROM THE RECORDINGS.AND, UM, WE WILL HAVE THOSE, UH, MEETING MINUTES AVAILABLE IF A SUBSEQUENT MEETING FOR YOU GUYS TO, UH, REVIEW AND APPROVE, UM, AT EACH MEETING.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THE MAYORS HERE IS A EX-OFFICIO CAPACITY, SO HE DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, PROVIDE INPUT OR INSIGHT INTO SOME OF THESE THINGS AS WE MOVE ALONG.
AND, UM, WE'LL BE HEARING FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AS WELL IF THEY CHOOSE TO SHOW UP.
AND, UM, I, WHILE NOT REQUIRED, I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, THE COMMISSION TO ALLOW A TIME, UM, MAYBE AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION ON EACH OF THE ARTICLES THAT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COME AND SPEAK ON THOSE PARTICULAR ARTICLES AT, AT A MEETING, UH, WHERE IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REVIEWING A CERTAIN SECTION OF THE CHARTER, UM, THAT THE PUBLIC BE ALLOWED TO, TO SPEAK UNDER, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN CONDITIONS SIMILAR TO MAKING A PRESENTATION BEFORE, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT?
OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACTION ITEMS TONIGHT.
UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UM, THAT'LL BE THE FOLLOW THROUGH TASK THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE'LL BE KEEPING TRACK OF ON ACTION ITEM SHEETS.
SO AS THOSE ARE COMPLETED, UH, WE WILL REVIEW THOSE AND INDICATE THEIR COMPLETION.
AND, UM, AS NEW ONES ARE ADDED, THEY'LL BE ADDED TO THE LIST.
AND AT THE END OF EACH MEETING, WE'LL DO A QUICK REVIEW OF THOSE TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A STATUS UPDATE ON WHERE THE ACTION ITEMS STAND.
AND THEN NUMBER FIVE IS, UM, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, WHICH WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT.
WE'RE GOING TO, UM, JUMP INTO ARTICLES ONE THROUGH FOUR OF THE CITY, HONOR, TODD.
UH, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK, UH, UH, NOT REALLY GO BACK, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION NEEDS STAFF SUPPORT AND OTHER ISSUES, UM, YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD A LOT ABOUT, UH, UH, UH, CITIZENS HERE TONIGHT.
YOU, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT SUNSHINE LAWS AND, UM, UM, MEETING, CAN YOU MEET OUTSIDE OF HERE AND STUFF? AND TONY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO, UM, THE FACT THAT IT IS PERFECTLY ALL RIGHT FOR, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU KNOW EACH OTHER, BUT PERFECTLY ALL RIGHT, FOR THE TWO OF YOU TO, UM, HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AT THE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SUNSHINE LAWS AT, UH, YOU WANT TO GO INTO AT WHAT POINT THAT SURE.
SO THE, UM, OHIO SUNSHINE LAWS, UM, ARE BASICALLY THE LAWS THAT CREATE TRANSPARENCY IN PUBLIC MEETINGS AND ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC FOR THOSE MEETINGS.
SO, UM, IN OHIO, SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE OHIO SUNSHINE LAWS ARE THAT, UM, IF YOU'RE CONDUCTING ANY TYPE OF BUSINESS FOR THE CITY, IT HAS TO BE DONE IN AN OPEN PUBLIC MEETING.
THE MEETING HAS TO BE ADVERTISED IN ADVANCE.
UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UM, A QUORUM, UH, PRESENT, UH, OF THE MEMBERS OF THAT BODY THAT ARE MEETING, UH, TO HOLD THE MEETING.
UH, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE MEETING.
AND, AND THIS IS AN AREA WHERE SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND, BUT THAT ACCESS MEANS THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO VIEW THE PROCEEDINGS, UH, DOESN'T GUARANTEE, UH, THAT THEY GET TO SPEAK OR HAVE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPATORY ROLE IN THOSE MEETINGS.
UM, IT THEY CAN, BUT, UM, THE, THE MINIMAL REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY BE ABLE TO VIEW THOSE.
SO THAT MEANS IF WE'RE HAVING A MEETING HERE, UM, IN A PUBLIC BUILDING, THAT THEY KNOW THE TIME, LOCATION AND, AND, UH, DATE OF THAT MEETING, AND, UH, THEY CAN OBSERVE THE PROCEEDINGS.
UM, WE HAVE ADDED THE ADDITIONAL FEATURE WHERE, UH, THERE IS LIVE STREAMING OF THESE MEETINGS AS WELL AS, UH, ON, UH, UH, ON DEMAND PLAYBACK OF THE MEETINGS SO THAT, UH, THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS IN A VARIETY OF WAYS TO THOSE MEETINGS THAT CAN BE PRESENT HERE OR WATCH THE VIDEOS IN REAL TIME OR AT A LATER DATE.
UM, AND THEN MORE TO DON'S POINT, UM, THERE ARE SOME RULES IN THE OHIO SUNSHINE LAWS THAT TALK ABOUT WHICH YOU CAN OR CAN'T DO, UM, AS MEMBERS OF THAT PUBLIC BODY.
SO IT'S OKAY FOR YOU AS MEMBERS TO DISCUSS THIS.
UM, BUT WHAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE WOULD BE IF A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THIS BODY WERE TO GATHER IN AN UNANNOUNCED, UH, NON-PUBLIC MEETING.
AND BY MEETING, I MEAN, THEY DEFINE MEETING AS A MAJORITY OF THE BODY BEING TOGETHER, UM, AND DISCUSSING CITY BUSINESS, UM, AT THE SAME TIME.
SO IF THIS WHOLE GROUP GOT TOGETHER AND WENT TO A RESTAURANT AND, UH, HAD APPETIZERS
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AND A MARGARITA AND TALKED ABOUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS UNDER THE SUN, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.IF THE SAME GROUP DID THE SAME THING AND, UH, WAS DISCUSSING THE WORK OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAWS.
SO, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THOSE BOUNDARIES.
UM, BUT FOR, UH, LESS THAN A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS TO EVEN ENGAGE IN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMISSION, THAT WOULD NOT BE INAPPROPRIATE.
AND, UM, THE PROHIBITION AGAINST EVERYBODY COMMUNICATING IN A MAJORITY OUTSIDE OF A ADVERTISED PUBLIC MEETING APPLIES TO OTHER MEDIA AS WELL, NOT JUST TO FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS.
SO IF, IF THIS WHOLE GROUP WAS ON AN EMAIL CHAIN OR A TEXT MESSAGE CHAIN, AND YOU WERE COMMUNICATING ABOUT THE WORK OF THE, UH, CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, UM, AMONGST THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS, THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE AS WELL.
SO GENERALLY WHAT I'LL ASK IS LIKE, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GO OUT, THAT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED TO EVERYBODY, I'LL SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY AND ASK THAT YOU JUST REPLY TO ME WITH YOUR ANSWER SO THAT, UM, IT'S NOT A COMMUNICATION BETWEEN ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BODY OUTSIDE OF A PUBLIC MEETING.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? THAT'S GREAT, TONY.
THAT'S JUST, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT THAT, AND I JUST WANT YOU TO FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THE FACT THAT, UM, UH, THOMAS AND I CAN, UH, STAND OUT THERE IN THE LOBBY AND TALK ALL DAY ABOUT STUFF THAT'S NOT, UH, THAT'S SECRET MEETING OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
IT'S, UH, IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT, UM, UH, YOU JUST, IF YOU KNOW WHAT THE SUNSHINE LAWS ARE, THEN UH, YOU REALIZE THAT A LOT OF WHAT YOU READ AND HEAR ABOUT IS BALONEY.
IT'S, UH, AS A, AS A COMMISSION WILL BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH OUR WORK, UM, FOLLOWING THOSE RULES THAT TONY HAD.
UM, AND, AND TONY DID MENTION, UM, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR CONCERN, THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, I'VE SEEN IS TO, UM, SEND IT TO TONY.
TONY CAN FORWARD THAT OUT TO THE COMMISSION.
UH, YOU CAN ANSWER TO TONY INDIVIDUALLY.
THAT WAY THERE'S A PUBLIC RECORD OF IT.
SO, UH, UM, IT'S VERY CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT.
UM, TONY, YOU MENTIONED, UH, THE DOWNLOADABLE VERSION OF THE CHARTER ON THE EO WEBSITE.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, WE JUST COMPLETED ORDINANCE REVIEW.
I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO SIT IN ON, AND, UM, THAT'S A BIG, AND THE ORDINANCES ARE HUGE, BUT, UH, WITH THE CHARTER, IT'S DOWNLOADABLE, AND IF YOU LOAD IT INTO WORD, UH, YOU CAN PLAY WITH IT.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT SECTIONS THAT PERHAPS YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, AND YOU CAN INSERT YOUR COMMENTS INTO DIFFERENT AREAS FOR YOUR OWN, UH, USE.
IT'S A LOT EASIER THAN TRYING TO, UH, UH, GET THROUGH THE, MY TYPE IN THIS THING FOR ME.
UH, BUT IT, IT'S ALSO EASY SO YOU CAN INSERT YOUR COMMENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT AS YOU'RE PREPARING FOR THIS NEXT THING, UM, IT'S ALWAYS EASIER FOR ME TO SIT UP MY NOTEBOOK AND BE ABLE TO TYPE IN MY QUESTIONS AND STUFF, DIFFERENT FONT OR DIFFERENT COLOR, BUT, UH, YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG THAT WAY A LOT EASIER.
AND YEAH, THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D MENTIONED IN TERMS OF PUBLIC RECORDS, UM, ANY OF THE WORK PRODUCT THAT'S CREATED BY THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE IS, IS A PUBLIC RECORD.
AND SO SOMEONE COULD REQUEST THAT AND WE'D HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT YOUR INDIVIDUAL WORK PRODUCT, IF YOU'RE LIKE KEEPING NOTES FOR YOURSELF, UM, THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED A WORK, UH, OR A PUBLIC RECORD, UM, THAT WE'D HAVE TO RELEASE.
UM, HOWEVER, IF YOU TAKE YOUR NOTES OR WORK PRODUCT AND SHARE IT AMONGST ALL THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THEN IT, IT DOES BECOME A PUBLIC RECORD.
IF YOU'RE WANTING TO KEEP YOUR NOTES PRIVATE, KEEP 'EM TO YOURSELF.
SO, AND THE, THE OTHER THING IS THAT, THAT THAT COPY OF THE CHARTER IS YOURS TO MARK UP ANY ANYWAY YOU WANT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I, I HAVE A FEW OF THESE FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES AND THEY'RE WELL WORN, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE ONE MARKED UP FOR CHANGES, UH, THAT I IDENTIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEXT TIME AROUND OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST THINGS THAT YOU UTILIZE A LOT, YOU TEND TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE A LITTLE NOTATION BY THE ONES YOU'VE REFERENCED ON A GOOD DEAL OF OCCASIONS.
DID YOU INTRODUCE MARK TO EVERYONE? UH, BACK IN THE CORNER.
I THINK HE INTRODUCED HIMSELF WHEN HE JUMPED UP ABOUT THE MICROPHONES, BUT I THINK, YEAH, MARK LANG IS OUR VIDEOGRAPHER, SO HE'LL BE JOINING US FOR THESE MEETINGS.
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IF NOTHING ELSE THEN, UM, IT'S SIX FORTY ONE.I'LL CALL THIS MEETING ADJOURNED.