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BUT IT IS WHAT IT'S,[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road March 12, 2024 6:00 P.M. ]
I SHALL CALL THE MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION.THE ORDER SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. CASSIDY? HERE.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COVENANTS TO BRING BEFORE THE COMMISSION? OKAY, MOVE MY MIC BACK A LITTLE BIT.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
HEARING NONE WILL MOVE ON WITH SWEARING TO WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
TO THE FOLLOWING OATH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? SO HOPE YOU GOD.
I ALSO ASK ANYONE STEP INTO THE PODIUM THIS EVENING, UH, GIVE THEIR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN IN SHEET.
PROVIDED WE HAVE NO PENDING BUSINESS, OUR FIRST ITEM, UH, UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, BP DO, OR BP DASH O-P-L-L-C, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF 4.65 ACRES TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 5,915 SQUARE FOOT WAWA CONVENIENCE MARKED WITH FUELING PUMPS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 49 49 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, DDP 24 0 3.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AARON SORELL, CITY, HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO THIS SITE IS, UH, 4.65 ACRES.
IT HAS BEEN REZONED TO, UH, PLAN COMMERCIAL.
THE EXISTING LAND USE RIGHT NOW IS, UH, A VACANT RESIDENTIAL, UH, BUILDING AND VACANT LAND TO THE NORTH.
THE SURROUNDING ZONING INCLUDES A OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL AND PLANNED COMMERCIAL TO THE, TO THE SOUTH.
UH, THIS IS AT THE POINT WHERE THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE 5,915 SQUARE FOOT WAWA CONVENIENCE STORE WITH FUELING PUMPS.
UH, THIS IS ROUGHLY THE SITE OUTLINE.
UM, THE AREA IN Y UH, RED IT HAS, HAS BEEN, UM, REZONED TO PLAN COMMERCIAL.
SO THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE APPROVED, UM, BY CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 25TH, 23.
THERE'S ONLY BEEN TWO CHANGES SINCE YOU SAW THE PROJECT.
UH, AND SUBSEQUENTLY CITY COUNCIL SAW THE PROJECT.
UM, THE STORMWATER RETENTION BASIN HAS NOW MOVED TO THE NORTHEAST, UH, CORNER OF THE SITE.
AND, UH, THERE'S STREET TREES NOW THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG OLD TROY PIKE AND CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, EARLY, THEY WERE KIND OF UP ON THE TOP OF THE HILL.
SO THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN.
AS PART OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS, OR CONDITIONS WAS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD WORK WITH STAFF TO REARRANGE THOSE STREET TREES.
UM, BUT THE ORIGINAL STORM WATER RETENTION BASIN WAS AT THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S NOW SHIFTED TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THAT PROPERTY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE STREET TREES ALONG CHAMBERSBURG, UH, AND THEN ALSO, UH, NORTH HEADING UP, UH, OLD TROY PIKE.
OTHER THAN THAT, THE SITE PLAN, UH, IS PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY LIKE YOU SAW IT, UM, AS PART OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION THAT WOULD BE FACING OLD TROY PIKE.
I WILL SAY THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN, UH, AND THIS IS ALSO NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT AND WAWA HAVE NOT SUBMITTED A SIGNED PACKAGE YET.
SO THAT ONE WILL NOT BE APPROVED.
BUT THESE WERE THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED WITH THIS, WHICH ARE, UH, EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THIS IS THE ELEVATION THAT WOULD FACE, UM, OLD TROY PIKE.
THIS IS THE SIDE ELEVATION THAT YOU WOULD SEE, UH, FROM CHAMBERSBURG LOOKING TO THE NORTH.
UH, THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.
UM, I'M GONNA GUESS THAT WAWA WILL WANT TO CHANGE THE LOCATION OF THIS, UM, WALL SIGN ON THE REAR BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FACE ANYBODY.
IT FACES THE, UH, THE RETAINING WALL THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE BACK.
SO I'M GONNA GUESS THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO MOVE THAT TO THE SIDE.
BUT WE'LL DISCUSS THAT, UH, AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.
UH, AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE, UH,
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ELEVATION TO LOOKING SOUTH, UM, FROM OLD TROY PIKE.SO THERE WERE FIVE CONDITIONS THAT WERE IMPOSED, UM, THROUGH THE REZONING.
UH, THE FIRST ONE DEALT WITH THE STREET TREES AND A, UM, A, A SORT OF A TREE SURVEY AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE INCORPORATING HEALTHY TREES INTO THE, INTO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
WE DID WORK WITH, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT ON THIS.
GIVEN THE EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF GRADING THAT'S GOING TO TO OCCUR, THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE TREE THAT, UH, EXISTING TREE THAT IS KIND OF ON THE FOOTPRINT OF THE SITE THAT WILL BE, UM, INCORPORATED INTO THE LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS THE TREE AT THE VERY, UM, SOUTHEAST CORNER, UM, WHICH IS NEXT TO THE RETAINING WALL.
UM, THERE WILL BE 17, I'LL CALL 'EM MATURE TREES THAT, UM, WILL BE REMOVED.
THERE ARE 41 NEW TREES THAT ARE BEING PLANTED.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL PROTECTIVE FENCING, UH, ALONG THAT LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE.
SO THE DASHED LINE THAT IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT YOU SAW ON THE PLANT, BASICALLY THIS GUY.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE END OF WHERE THE GRADING WILL OCCUR.
UM, JUST TO PROTECT, WE'D LIKE TO SEE PROTECTIVE FENCING ALONG THAT AREA TO PROTECT, UH, ANY OF THE REMAINING MATURE TREES FROM THEIR, UM, DRIP EDGE ROOTS BEING, UM, BEING FURTHER COMPACTED BY A MACHINERY.
THE SECOND CONDITION WAS THAT THE APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO DEFER, TO DETERMINE THE FINAL STREET TREE PLACEMENT.
UM, THE, YOU SEE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS DO ILLUSTRATE STREET TREES THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON THE STREET, UH, AND SHOULD PROVIDE SHADE, UH, TO THOSE PEDESTRIANS ON THE SIDEWALK.
YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE LONG CHAMBERSBURG, UH, AND THEN OLD TROY PIKE.
WE MAY NEED TO ADJUST THE LOCATION SLIGHTLY OF THE TREES THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED ALONG CHAMBERSBURG, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE BIKE PATH OR THE MULTI-USE PATH THAT WILL BE, UH, INSTALLED.
BUT GIVEN THIS IS GENERALLY THE, UH, THE CORRECT LOCATION AND THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEERS ARE, HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CHOICE ONE, OUR ENGINEERS WHO ARE DESIGNING THAT MULTI-USE PATH, MULTI-USE PATH, UH, ALONG, UM, CHAMBERSBURG.
SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY CON UH, I DON'T ANTICIPATE MUCH, IF ANY CONFLICT.
UH, THE THIRD CONDITION WAS THAT SIGNS SHALL CONFORM WITH CHAPTER 1189.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS NO SIGNED PACKAGE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO CARRY THAT CONDITION THROUGH AS PART OF THIS DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, PROCESS.
THE FOURTH CONDITION IS ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN ADDING, ESSENTIALLY EXTRACTING CERTAIN USES THAT, UM, THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IN SOME OF THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL AREAS.
THIS WAS, UH, MEMORIALIZED IN THE REZONING THAT WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER, ON SEPTEMBER 25TH.
UH, AND LASTLY THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A BASIC, UH, A NEW RECORD PLAN, UH, INDICATING THE CORRECTED RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION ALONG OLD TROY PIKE.
UM, THE DRAFT RECORD PLAN THAT WE'VE SEEN IS CORRECT.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT SUBMITTED THE FINAL RECORD PLAN YET.
UM, THAT WILL IS FORTHCOMING FOR ANOTHER MEETING.
THEY HAD AN ISSUE WITH THEIR SURVEY CREW.
UM, BUT WE'VE REVIEWED THE DRAFT, IT'S CORRECT.
UM, BUT BEFORE ANY PERMITS ARE FULLY, UM, ISSUED, OR EXCUSE ME, OCCUPANCY CERTIFICATES ARE ISSUED, UM, THAT PLAT WILL NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THIS BODY.
AS FAR AS THE STAFF ANALYSIS, UH, AND CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS, THE USES ARE PERMITTED IN THE DISTRICT.
THE SITE PLAN MEETS ALL PARKING BUILDINGS, SETBACK AND YARD REQUIREMENTS.
UH, 19 STREET TREES ARE REQUIRED.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SHOWS THOSE 19, UH, STREET TREES, A MIXTURE OF SUGAR MAPLES AND LINDEN TREES.
UH, THEY ARE APPROPRIATELY BE PLACED AND LOCATED THAT W IN AN AREA THAT SHOULD PROVIDE, UH, SIDEWALK SHADE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND, AND SIDEWALK USERS.
UH, THE LIGHTING PLAN SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
THE PICTURE FIXTURE HEIGHTS ARE 20 FEET.
UH, THE FIXTURE TYPES ARE FULL CUTOFF, WHICH MEETS OUR, UM, CODE.
THE PHOTOMETRIC ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT THERE IS NO LIGHT TRESPASS ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES THAT WOULD IMPACT NEARBY RESIDENCE.
THERE'S A LITTLE LIGHT TRESPASS ONTO, UM, CHAMBERSBURG AND OLD TROY PIKE, BUT WE HAVE STREETLIGHTS OUT THERE ANYWAY, SO THAT'S NOT A, A BIG DEAL.
THE BUILDING DESIGN SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE EXTERIOR MATERIAL.
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UM, ALL UTILITIES ARE BELOW GROUND.THE APPLICANT IS ALSO INSTALLING A ADDITIONAL CONDUIT TO FACILITATE, UM, FUTURE EV CHARGING STATIONS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO TEAR UP THE, THE, UM, PARKING AREA TO INSTALL THOSE CHARGING STATIONS IN THE FUTURE.
AS FAR AS THE PARKING AND LOADING, UM, THERE ARE 53 PROPOSED PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY MORE THAN THE CODE REQUIRES.
UH, THE STALL DIMENSIONS ARE TO CODE, UM, THE SIDEWALKS, UH, ARE PROVIDED FROM OLD TROY PIKE AND CHAMBERSBURG UP TO TOP OF THE SITE.
UH, AND THAT SLOPE OF THOSE SIDEWALKS ARE AT A ONE 12 PITCH, WHICH COMPLIES WITH, UH, A DA REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THE APPLICANT DID VERIFY THAT WHEN I, WHEN I ASKED THAT QUESTION, UM, THE LANDSCAPING PLANS YOU SAW THERE ARE, UH, DETAILED ON SHEET C NINE HAD ALL OF THE PLANNING MATERIALS AND, UM, UH, THE, THE QUANTITIES, THE PROPOSED PLAN MEETS ALL OF OUR, THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, PLAN MEETS ALL OF OUR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS WITH ONE EXCEPTION, AND THAT THERE BE A SHADE TREE WITHIN 60 FEET OF EVERY PARKING SPACE.
SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I THINK ONE PROJECT HAS ACTUALLY MET THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S A TALL ORDER.
UM, SOMETHING WE MAY WANNA LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, STAFF FEELS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS THOUGHTFUL AND MEETS THE SPIRIT INTENT OF THE ZONING CODE.
UM, SO THE ONLY AREA WHERE IT'S OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE LETTER OF THE CODE IS THAT THOSE NORTHERN PARKING, UH, SPACES, UM, THOSE ARE OUTSIDE OF, UH, KIND OF THE 60 FOOT, UM, RADIUS FROM, FROM, UH, THE STREET TREES.
UH, AND I DON'T THINK YOU COULD REALLY EFFECTIVELY PUT ANY IN WITHOUT EITHER LOSING PARKING OR THEY GET DAMAGED BY CARS OR PEOPLE TRAMPLING OVER THEM.
THERE REALLY ISN'T A GOOD PLACE TO, TO PUT, UH, A STREET TREE IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GRADING.
SO AS SIGNS, UM, LIKE I SAID, A SIGN PACKAGE WAS NOT SUBMITTED.
THE ELEVATIONS, UH, INDICATE TWO WALL SIGNS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY 65 SQUARE FEET AND ONE THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 40 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA CHANGE GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE, THE SITE.
UH, AND THE SITE PLAN DOES INDICATE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS THAT ARE NOT MENTIONED AS FAR AS HEIGHT, AND WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AS FAR AS ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UH, FIRE HAD NO NEW COMMENTS.
THE CITY ENGINEER HAD NO NEW COMMENTS FROM WHEN THEY REVIEWED THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, SO STAFF SUPPORTS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN ASS SUBMITTED.
UH, IT'S OUR OPINION THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION, UH, 11 71 0 9 ARE MET, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN MARKED RECEIVED FEBRUARY 20TH, UH, 2024 WITH TWO CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL THE PROTECTIVE FENCING ALONG THE WEST AND NORTH LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE AREAS TO PROTECT THE DRIP LINE, UH, ROOTS OF THE REMAINING TREES.
UH, AND THAT SIGNS SHALL CONFORM WITH CHAPTER 1189 UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED, UM, BY THIS BODY.
QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. JEFFRIES? AARON, WHEN, WHEN WE DID THE, UH, DISCUSSION BEFORE MR. WAIT, THE RESIDENT THAT LIVES JUST DOWN CHAMBERSBURG WAS IN, AND I THINK WE ALL HAD KIND OF TALKED ABOUT PART OF THIS MOVING FORWARD TOO, WAS TO GET COUNSEL TO SPEED UP THE CHAMBERSBURG PROJECT SINCE WE'RE GONNA INCREASE TRAFFIC THERE.
IS THERE ANY UPDATES ON THAT? SO, UM, IT'S REALLY OUT OF COUNSEL'S HAND.
UM, IT, THE, THE, WHAT WE ARE WAITING ON IS FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW APPROVAL, UM, THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS THROUGH M-V-R-P-C THAT'S MOVING ALONG.
UM, WE ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION IN 2025.
UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT THAT COUNCIL CAN DO TO, TO MOVE THIS BECAUSE OF THE, THE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE INVOLVED.
SO, BUT IT IS EXPECTED TO BE NEXT YEAR.
25 IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER AT THIS POINT? IT IS NOW JUST RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, YES.
BY THE TIME THEY GET, I MEAN, THE TIME THEY GET THROUGH WITH THEIR PROJECT AND STUFF, I THINK THE TIMING WILL BE PRETTY CLOSE FOR WHEN THEY'RE DONE WITH THEIR, THEIR FINISHED WORK WHILE WE'RE PUTTING THE, THE SIDEWALK.
SIR, I, I CAN GET A BETTER DEEP, UH, ANSWER FOR YOU IS WHETHER IT'S SPRING OF 25 OR FALL OF 25.
AS LONG AS IT'S JUST NOT, HEY, WE'LL START TALKING ABOUT IT THEN.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED A WHILE THAT JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT DIDN'T FALL OFF THE RADAR.
IT IS NOT, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA, YOU'RE HOPEFULLY GONNA SEE IN A, IN A COUPLE MONTHS.
THEY'VE ALSO ASKED ABOUT IT, UM, BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKE IT TO SPEED UP, UH, AS WELL.
AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, KUDOS TO THE APPLICANT.
WHENEVER SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, WE, WE HAVE ALL THE PARKING SPACES WE NEED AND THERE'S CODE SIZE WITHOUT ASKING FOR SQUEEZING STUFF IN, I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO SEE SOMEBODY BUY A LOT THE SIZE THAT THEY NEED INSTEAD OF MAKING US MAKE IT FIT.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MR. CASSIDY? YEAH, SO AARON, IN THE, UM, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN, THIS, UH, LARGE BOOKLET, YEAH, IT, IT TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE RETENTION BASIN CAP BASIN CAPACITY AND THEN IT OUTLINED, I DON'T KNOW, ONE OF THESE LARGER ONES THAT THERE WAS, THE FLOOD AND RAINWATER IMPACT SEEMED A LITTLE HIGHER THAN NORMAL.WAS THAT, AM I INTERPRETING THAT CORRECTLY OR HOW SHOULD I BE THINKING ABOUT THAT? UM, SO I AM GONNA DEFER TO THE APPLICANT, THE ENGINEERS HERE.
'CAUSE I'M GONNA ANSWER IT INCORRECTLY, I'M SURE.
AND I'LL JUST SAY TOO, UM, I THINK IN A PREVIOUS MEETING I HAD MADE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT LEFT TURN NORTH ONTO ROY PIKE.
I DROVE IT, UM, COMING DOWN THE HILL.
AND I THINK THERE'S ADEQUATE TIMING FOR THOSE LEFT-HAND TERMS TO, TO BE JUST FINE WITHOUT A, ANY MUCH OF AN IMPACT.
IT'S A PRETTY LONG DESCENT THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. VARGO? UM, YOU, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY ON ROY PIKE.
I MISSED WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE, I MEAN THESE ARE LINES ON A MAP, BUT THE RIGHT OF WAY ACTUALLY KIND OF GO WELL, SO YOU SEE THE, THE, THE, THE SECOND LINE KIND OF AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, THEY NEED TO DEDICATE, UM, ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY FOR, UM, FOR OUR, PER OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UM, AND THEY JUST HAVEN'T FINISHED THE, UM, THE RECORD PLAN, UM, FULLY OKAY.
THE ENTRANCE OFF OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
AND IN LOOKING AT THE PLANS THAT I WASN'T ABLE, I I I JUST COULDN'T FIND OUT WHAT, HOW, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO LEVEL THAT A LITTLE BIT AND IS IT GOING TO LINE UP WITH ACROSS THE STREET SO IT WON'T LINE UP FULLY WITH ACROSS THE STREET? UM, SO AS FAR AS CHAMBERSBURG ITSELF, PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING ALONG CHAMBERSBURG IS WE'RE GONNA BE, UM, CUTTING DOWN THE CROWN OF THAT HILL AS YOU HEAD, UM, WESTBOUND.
SO THAT WILL BE LOWERED OH, WHICH WILL IMPROVE SIGHT LINES FOR ANYBODY WHO IS TRAVELING MORE EASTBOUND THAN WESTBOUND.
UM, AS FAR AS THE DRIVEWAY APPROACH, UH, THE DRIVEWAY APPROACH, UH, AND THE SIDEWALK APPROACH ARE THE SAME ONE TO 12, UM, SLOPE.
UM, SO THEY, THE, I MEAN, IT'S A HILL, BUT IT'S, IT'S MEETS CODE.
AND THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION IS, UM, DOES IT ACTUALLY COMPLY WITH THAT ONE TO 12? IT DOESN'T NOW, BUT IT WILL ONCE, ONCE THE HILL DOWN, IS THAT IT? CORRECT.
YEAH, THE SITE DOES NOT NOW, BUT AFTER GRADING IT WILL COMPLY WITH THAT.
AND THE GRADING PLAN DOES SHOW THAT THAT WILL BE CUT DOWN AND, AND KIND OF DRAWN OUT TO, TO, UM, BRING THAT SLOPE FROM, IT'S PROBABLY ONE TO SIX NOW DOWN TO ONE TO 12.
AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A SIGN PACKAGE NOW, SO YOU REALLY CAN'T ANSWER THIS, I'M SURE.
BUT I'M VERY CURIOUS AS TO WHERE THEY PLAN TO PUT THE MONUMENT SIGNS.
BUT WE'LL WAIT FOR THE SIGN PACKAGE TO COME IN, I GUESS, BECAUSE THAT COULD CHANGE.
AND MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF PROTECTIVE FENCING? SO, UM, IT'S BASICALLY PLA SHORT PLASTIC FENCING THAT'S ABOUT YAY HIGH, THAT'S DISPOSABLE.
THAT GETS TACKED, UH, AT THE EDGE OF THE TREES REALLY IS A, IS A, A VISUAL BARRIER FOR THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATOR SO THEY DON'T DRIVE OVER THE EDGE OF THE ROOTS THAT, SO IS THAT ORANGE, IS IT? THAT'S USUALLY THE ORANGE CONSTRUCTION FENCE.
UM, IT'S JUST TO KEEP HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATORS FROM DRIVING OVER THE SENSITIVE ROOT PARTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU MR. SRA.
I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF OF THIS ENGINEERING QUESTION.
HOW'S IT GO GUYS? MY NAME'S UH,
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REED COOKS.HE WITH STONEFIELD ENGINEERING AS I'M THE, UH, ENGINEER FOR THE, UH, THE PROJECT HERE.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.
YEAH, SO ON THE, UH, RETENTION BASIN CAPACITY AND THE FLOOD AND RAINWATER IMPACTS, AND YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME, I CAN'T RECALL EXACTLY WHICH ONE OF THESE IT WAS ON, BUT IT HAD LIKE A, LIKE A GREATER THAN 10%.
MAYBE IT WAS GREATER THAN 50%, LESS THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT OF A 10 YEAR.
TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS AND YEP, NO PROBLEM.
SO, UM, IN THE STATE OF OHIO, THE UH, CRITICAL STORM METHOD IS WHAT SIZES OUR BASIN.
AND SO WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS YOU TAKE, UH, UNDEVELOPED CONDITIONS FOR YOUR SITE, COMPARE THEM TO THE DEVELOPED CONDITIONS OF A ONE YEAR STORM, WHICH IS YOUR TYPICAL 1% STORM YOU SAY, OR IT'LL HAPPEN ONCE A YEAR.
UM, I THINK IN OHIO IT'S A 1.3 INCHES OVER 24 HOURS.
UM, THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE BETWEEN THE PRE AND THE POST YOU PUT INTO THAT MATRIX YOU SEE AND WHATEVER, UM, UH, WHATEVER RANGE THAT YOU FALL ON, AN INCREASE THAT IS THE STORM THAT YOU NEED TO DETAIN TOWARDS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT OUR COMPUTATIONS THAT WE BELIEVE WE HAVE A 76% INCREASE BETWEEN PRE AND POST.
SO OUR BASIN IS SIZED TO DETAIN ALL THE STORMS UP TO THE 10 YEAR STORM BY REDUCING THE CURRENT FLOW RATES.
SO, UM, THAT IS JUST KIND OF YOUR, WHERE YOU, YOUR STARTING POINT FOR OUR DESIGN WITH OUR STORM WATER, IT TELLS US EXACTLY WHAT STORM WE NEED TO MAINTAIN AND THEN WE ACTUALLY DESIGN THE BASIN IN ORDER TO, UH, DO THAT.
SO IF YOU LOOK, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S ON SHEET C EIGHT C SIX, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT SHEET C SIX, YOU'LL SEE WE GO THROUGH THE COMPUTATIONS, DETERMINE THAT THE 10 YEAR STORM.
AND THEN THE NEXT, UH, DIAGRAM NEXT TO THAT SHOWS WHAT THE FLOW IS WITH OUR BASIN IMPLEMENTED AND THE REDUCTION THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY PROVIDING ON THIS SITE.
SO WE DO MEET ALL OF THE, UH, THE STATE REGULATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, COMING OUT OF THIS MEETING.
THE NEXT, ONE OF THE NEXT STEPS, I'M SURE AARON WILL TELL YOU WITH OUR, WITH OUR PERMITTING IS GETTING THE, UH, THE STATE EPA STORM, UM, GENERAL PERMIT.
SO WE'LL BE SUBMITTING FOR THAT AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE, THE REPORT AND EVERYTHING GETS FORMALLY REVIEWED SO THEY CAN ISSUE THAT PERMIT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU MOVE UP TO THIS, UH, 25 YEAR STORM FREQUENCY AND THAT RETENTION BASIN IS NOT SUFFICIENT? I MEAN, WOULD IT OVERFLOW? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? OR? SO IT DOESN'T OVERFLOW HOW IT'S DESIGNED, UM, IS THAT THERE'LL NEVER BE ANY OVER TOPPING FOR ANY STORM OVER THE A HUNDRED YEAR.
WHAT IT WILL DO IS THERE'LL BE, UM, I BELIEVE IN THE ACTUAL REPORT BOOK ITSELF.
WE UM, WE MAINTAIN ALL THE STORMS UP TO THE A HUNDRED YEAR.
WE JUST DON'T INCREASE THE FLOWS.
THE 10 YEAR STORM JUST HAS TO MEET THE PRE TWO YEAR STORM RATE.
SO, UM, WE MAINTAIN ALL THE STORMS UP TO THE A HUNDRED YEAR.
IT'S JUST THE FLOWS WE GET, WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE IN, WE'RE ALLOWED TO JUST MEET THE EXISTING FLOW RATES FOR EVERYTHING OVER THE 10 YEAR STORM.
BUT THERE WILL NOT BE ANY FLOODING JUST DIRECTLY INTO OLD TROY PIKE OUTTA THIS THING IF YOU GUYS GET A BIG STORM.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE OF RETAINING WALLS EXISTING AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THOSE ARE GONNA STAY THERE.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG FACTORS IN MOVING THE BASIN.
UM, WE WERE GETTING DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO IMPACTING SOME OF THOSE WALLS.
AND THEN YOU SAID YOU DROVE RIGHT BY THE SITE.
YOU'LL SEE THEY'RE KIND OF CARVED INTO THE, THE SIDE.
THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF BEDROCK HERE.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE PART OF THE SITE WAS AN OLD QUARRY AT ONE POINT.
SO THERE WAS A TWO, TWO REASONS TO MOVE IT.
ONE, WE WANT TO STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM THOSE WALLS AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT HAVING ANY IMPACT TO THEM FROM OUR SITE, WHICH WE NOW DO BY MOVING IT.
AND SECOND, WE NOW MOVE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SITE, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE AS SIGNIFICANT OF, OF BEDROCK IMPACTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA BE CARVING INTO THIS SIDE OF THIS HILL, THIS, THIS BASE, AND WE'RE, WE'RE RELOCATING IT UP TO THE TOP.
SO, AND THOSE RETAINING WALLS, THEY'VE BEEN REVIEWED BY AN ENGINEER AND THEY'RE, THERE'S, THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE ANY WITH THE NEW DESIGN.
THERE'S NO ACTUAL STATIC LOAD ON THOSE WALLS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH, WITH THEM FALLING OVER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEY ARE OVERGROWN WITH VEGETATION CURRENTLY.
THEY DON'T LOOK VERY APPEALING.
IS THERE ANY PLANS TO TO UPDATE THOSE OR REFRESH THOSE AT ALL? THERE'S NO PLANS TO REFRESH THE WALLS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT REMOVING SOME OF THE, UH, INVASIVE VEGETATION.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT THE SITE TO LOOK, UM, YOU KNOW, APPEALING AND WE WANT THE CURB APPEAL WITH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WAWA KIND OF SETBACK THE WAY IT IS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.
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CLEANED, THEY'RE A LITTLE DIRTY, SO YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE SALE LOOK NICE.
WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT TO, TO NOT DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SURE.
TO MAKE THAT CORNER LOOK GREAT.
UM, AND TO JAN'S POINT, DO YOU HAVE AN ANTICIPATED LOCATION FOR THE MONUMENT SIGNAGE? YEAH, WE, WE ACTUALLY SHOW, WE DO SHOW THEM ON THE PLANS.
THEY ARE ADJACENT TO BOTH, BOTH ENTRANCES.
WE'VE DESIGNED THE GRADING TO BE, UM, NOT ENTIRELY FLAT IN THOSE AREAS 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
SO THERE'LL BE SOME EXPOSED FOUNDATION, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL LOOK AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
BUT YEAH, THEY'LL BE, UM, I BELIEVE 10 FEET OFF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE, WHICH IS THE, UH, ORDINANCE STANDARD THERE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT ONCE THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE ACTUALLY COMES THROUGH.
BUT THEY WILL BE, UM, ALONG BOTH ENTRANCES THERE.
AND I THOUGHT I SAW ON THE PLAN SOMEWHERE THAT THOSE ARE THE ANTICIPATED, AND I WILL HOLD YOU DO THIS, BUT THE ANTICIPATION IS IF YOU'RE GASOLINE PRICING WILL BE, THOSE ARE THE PRICING BOARDS YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
UM, THE ENTRANCE OFF OF ROY PIKE.
DOES IT LINE UP WITH ANYTHING ACROSS THE ROAD? UM, IT, IT DOES ALIGN WITH THE, UH, THE ENTRANCE ACROSS THE ROAD.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE, THE DESIGN FACTORS THERE WAS MAKING SURE IT ALIGNS.
WE SUBMITTED A, UH, TRAFFIC STUDY HERE AND UH, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE, UH, ALL SITE DISTANCES, EVERYTHING LIKE DAVID SAID, AND, YOU KNOW, AND WE UNDERSTOOD YOUR CONCERNS FROM THE, THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND HAVE ANALYZED THOSE ALONG WITH CHAMBERSBURG.
WELL, IT'S OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE LIVING IN THE NORTH OR COMING FROM THE NORTH WILL BE USING THAT ULTRA PIKE ENTRANCE, MOST LIKELY.
THE CHAMBERSBURG ENTRANCE IS SOMETHING THAT I'M REALLY HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME ENVISIONING HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK.
WILL THERE, DO YOU EXPECT YOUR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO USE THE CHAMBERSBURG ENTRANCE MORE? UM, IT'S HARD TO SAY.
WE ARE PROVIDING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM BOTH SIDES.
SO, UM, AND IT WILL BE COMPLIANT LIKE AARON STATED WITH, UH, A DA STANDARDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST, THE NEW SET OF PLANS THAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY OVERLAID THE, UM, ROAD WINDING PLANS TO SHOW HOW OUR ENTRANCE WILL OPERATE WITH THAT AS OPPOSED TO SHOWING HOW IT OPERATE WOULD OPERATE CURRENTLY.
SO THE GRADING IS IMPLEMENTED IN THERE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT MIGHT BE, UH, PATRICK O'LEARY, UH, BLUE PENINSULA.
JANET, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WE'RE LOWERING FROM WHERE THE FINISHED FLOOR OF THAT HOUSE IS.
WE'RE COMING DOWN FOUR FEET, I THINK.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS WHERE THAT HOUSE IS SITTING.
AND SO THE DRIVEWAY UP, THE ONE TO TWELVES KIND OF A, A, A HARD ONE TO GET YOUR HEAD AROUND.
IT'S A 6% SLOPE, WHICH THAT'S A VERY, VERY COMFORTABLE RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY.
JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S NOT A, UH, CRAZY STEEP, IF YOU'RE THINKING OF A, OF A HOME IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, A SIX PERCENT'S A COMFORTABLE DRIVE.
SO, UH, WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO KIND OF GET THAT BALANCE RIGHT OUT.
DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS YOU KIND OF ENVISION THAT BETTER, BUT IT, IT WON'T BE THIS, THE STEEPNESS THAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY.
AND WILL THERE BE SIDEWALKS? THERE'S SIDEWALKS? UH, NO, I MEAN ON, ON THAT ENTRY NO, NO.
RIGHT ON THE RIGHT, ON THE RIGHT SIDE GOING UP.
SO YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND, AND JANE, JUST TO KIND OF FINISH THAT POINT, THE SIDEWALKS ARE THERE THAT WE PUT THE SIDEWALKS ON THE HIGH SIDE OF THE, UH, OF THE DRIVE.
SO WHILE THE DRIVE ITSELF IS 6%, THE SIDEWALKS ARE UNDER 5%.
SO WE'RE CONNECTING TO THE HIGH SIDE OF THE, THE PATHWAY WITHIN ON CHAMBERSBURG.
SO WE'RE UNDER THE 5% A DA REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE LATEST PLAN, WE COME UP THE HIGH SIDE, WE CROSS THE ENTRANCE AND HAVE THAT COMPLIANT PATH ALL THE WAY TO THE STORE ITSELF.
ALL THE WAY TO TROY, BUT NOT INTO THE FACILITY? NO, NO.
IT'S COMPLIANT FROM THE FACILITY ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM THE HIGH SIDE.
AND UM, OBVIOUSLY THE HOUSE, THE GARAGE HAVE TO GO.
DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE OF WHEN YOU'LL START? IF YOU GUYS GIVE US A PERMIT TOMORROW, WE COULD GET, YOU KNOW, BREAK GROUND, BUT I THINK IT'S STARTING SOME, IT'S THIS, THIS SPRING, CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY.
EXCUSE ME, SIR, CAN YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? COOKE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE, UM, APPLICANT? YEAH, SORRY, ONE LAST QUESTION.
SO YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE REALLY CLOSE TO THAT MULTIMODAL PATH THAT'S COMING THROUGH.
UM, WILL YOU HAVE ANY EITHER NOW OR IN THE FUTURE WHEN IT'S DONE?
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UM, ANY PLACE FOR BIKES TO SORT OF POST UP? UM, I DON'T KNOW.YEAH, THERE ARE BIKE RACKS GOING IN.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? OKAY.
AND HEARING NO ONE ELSE, IS THERE A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT BP DASH O-T-P-L-L-C FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN CASE DDP 24 DASH OH THREE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED MARCH 7TH, 2024 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
IS THERE, SECOND I'S TAKEN BY MR. MR. JEFF, UH, SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE RULE.
MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO, WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? YES.
SO THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE, UH, FINISH UP THE RECORD PLAN AND THEN ALSO TO SUBMIT A, UH, SIGNED PACKAGE.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS.
UH, NEXT IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 8TH, 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, MEETING WILL BE APPROVED.
AND HEARING NO OBJECTIONS, THEY ARE APPROVED REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW MR. RAL.
SO, UM, UPCOMING WHEN I'M PARTICIPATING IS, LEMME TURN THIS ON.
WHAT I'M ANTICIPATING COMING, UM, KIND OF DOWN THE, THE PIKE.
UM, RHM UH, ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD HAS INDICATED THAT THEY WILL BE GETTING US THEIR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE APRIL MEETING.
UH, SO I ANTICIPATE THAT COMING IN AS WELL AS THEIR UPDATED RECORD PLAN.
UH, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER RECORD PLAN, UH, FOR COCOA DRIVE.
WE ARE CLEANING UP, UH, SOME ISSUES THAT FOR A CONDO ASSOCIATION THAT WAS NEVER FORMED.
UM, SO WE ARE RE PLATTING, UH, ONE OF THE DUPLEXES TO MAKE IT MORE OF A TRADITIONAL DUPLEX.
'CAUSE THE, UH, RIGHT NOW THE, THE PROP THE THE BUILDING IS OWNED BY THE, THE BUILDING IS OWNED BY THE, UM, THE, THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS.
UH, THE, UH, THE GROUNDS ARE TECHNICALLY OWNED BY A, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WITH A CONDO ASSOCIATION THAT WAS NEVER FORMED.
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE KIND OF A MESS WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND TRYING TO GET THAT CLEANED UP.
UM, OTHER, THE, JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, BUCKY'S DID CLOSE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, SO WE HAVE A MEETING WITH ODOT ON APRIL 5TH.
AND SO I ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WILL BE TURNING AROUND THEIR PLANS FOR A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PRETTY SOON AFTER, AFTER THAT.
ANYTHING FROM THE STATE ABOUT BUCKY'S? YEAH, SO, UM, THE STATE HAS, UH, THEY'VE ALL KIND OF COME ON, UH, ALIGNED WITH WHAT IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE MADE ON TWO THIRD.
I MEAN, THE TIMELINE IS, SO THE STATE HAS APPROVED WHAT BUCKY'S HAS SUBMITTED.
THEY'VE ALL AGREED TO WHAT IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE MADE.
UM, I THINK THEY ARE, WE ARE JUST MAKING SURE ON APRIL 5TH MAKING SURE THAT WHAT THEY THINK IS IMPORTANT IS ALSO WHAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT.
UH, AND THEN I ANTICIPATE BUCKY'S WOULD, UH, SUBMIT THEIR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS PRETTY SOON AFTER THAT, SO.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I KNOW IS ON THE HORIZON.
MR. JEFFRIES IS, RHM IS THE ONE WE HAD A WHILE BACK, ISN'T IT? WHERE COUNCIL SENT 'EM BACK FOR SOME REDESIGN? IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE DESIGNS OF THE HOMES WERE MAYBE A LITTLE TOO MUCH TEXAN FOR, UM, FOR THE APPETITE FOR COUNCIL.
UH, SO THEY HAVE, UM, REDESIGN THAT KIND OF MADE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEMPORARY, UM, UH, AS WELL AS BLENDING IN WITH THE COMMERCIAL AREA ON, ON THE, ON THE FRONT.
SO, UM, I THINK THEY, THEY ALSO RAN IN SOME ENGINEERING ISSUES, SO THEY'VE WIDENED THE SITE SLIGHTLY.
UM, THEY WERE, THEY WERE PACKING A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF PRODUCT ON A PRETTY SMALL SITE.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH ACCESS.
ALL OF THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED AND SO NOW THEY'RE READY TO GO AND, AND THERE'S, THERE'S SOME MOVEMENT GOING ON.
MARION MEADOWS, IS THAT THE, FOR THE, UM, APARTMENTS? YES.
UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER REPL THANK YOU THAT YOU'LL SEE IN APRIL.
UM, FOR US TO PEEL OFF WHAT WE'RE SELLING TO, TO MARION MEADOWS.
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WE ARE WORKING THROUGH, UM, THE WETLAND PERMITTING PROCESS BECAUSE WHEN WE MOVED THE STORM SWALE FOR, UH, UM, AT THE TIME IT WAS A GOOD SAMARITAN HOSPITAL.UM, WE CREATED A COUPLE WETLANDS OVER THE YEARS.
UH, SO WE HAVE TO BUY SOME WETLAND CREDITS, UM, TO, TO DEAL WITH THAT.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
BUT ALL INDICATIONS ARE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST A PAPERWORK ISSUE AND TIME AT THE MOMENT.
BUT, UH, AS FAR AS TIMING, WE ARE STILL ON TRACK WITH THEIR, UH, DESIRE TO CLOSE IN, UH, JUNE AND WE CAN BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN JULY.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE COMMISSION RIGHT AHEAD? THAT'S, SORRY.
I DO, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN GOING A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.
SO WHICH PART OF IT CAME UP TONIGHT? I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY APPETITE FROM ANYONE ELSE ON PLANNING, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT COMMERCIAL, I DON'T THINK WE REALLY CLEARLY DEFINE IT.
SO IN THIS CASE, THAT GAS STATION COULD HAVE BEEN ABUTTED UP AGAINST HOUSING 'CAUSE WE HAVE NO RULE AGAINST IT.
THERE ARE, UM, THERE ARE SOME BUFFERING, UM, REQUIREMENTS, BUT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT PROHIBITS COMMERCIAL AGAINST, UH, RESIDENTIAL OR VICE VERSA.
AND, AND I BELIEVE WHEN WE LOOK AT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THIS, IF I OWN A HOME, I, I DON'T THINK OF THE ABILITY THAT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS ALL COMMERCIAL.
IT COULD BE A 24 HOUR GAS STATION OR A VAPE SHOP OR WHATEVER.
I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENT EXPECTATION FOR WHAT WE'VE MARKET AS MIXED USE OR COMMERCIAL NEXT TO A HOME.
SO I THINK AT SOME POINT IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT'S WORTH HAVING.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS THAT FEELING.
IF NOT, IF I'M THE ONLY ONE THEN SO BE IT.
THIS ONE I HAD NO PROBLEM BECAUSE WE HAD SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND A TON OF SCREENING FROM TREES AND SPACING AND ALL THAT.
BUT WE, WE'VE RUN INTO STUFF WHERE WE FIND OUT AFTER THE FACT, WELL MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE BEST USE NEXT TO HOUSING.
UH, 'CAUSE OUR, OUR SETBACKS ARE JUST OUR STANDARD SETBACKS, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT UP AGAINST A HOUSE OR PUTTING IT UP AGAINST ANOTHER GAS STATION.
RIGHT? SO TO ME AS A RESIDENT, THAT'S SOME, LIKE IF I BUY A HOUSE THAT'S ALREADY NEXT TO ONE, THAT'S ONE THING.
IF I BUY A HOUSE AND YOU BUILD IT NEXT TO ME, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHT ON THAT FROM ANYBODY ELSE OR IF THAT'S JUST, JUST ME.
SO I THINK, I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT, PARTICULARLY IN TERMS OF THIS ONE WHERE THEY WERE REALLY PROACTIVE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND WE HAVE SEEN SOME DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THEY, THEY DO THAT AND THEY'RE VERY PROACTIVE.
SO I THINK IF WE EVER SAW SOMEONE COME IN AND, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT SAME LEVEL OF PROACTIVENESS IN ENGAGING THE NEIGHBORS, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
BUT WE HAVE NO RULE AGAINST IT IF THEY DON'T IS MY ISSUE.
THAT'S MY CONCERN IS WE CAN HAVE AN ISSUE OR A CONCERN WITH IT YEAH.
BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
FROM A CODE STANDPOINT, YOU'RE SAYING.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW AARON, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DEAL WITH THAT IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING THAT CONCERN? WELL, SO WE DO HAVE, I MEAN WE DO HAVE SOME, UM, ARROWS IN OUR QUIVER IN THE SENSE THAT, OR OUR QUILT IN THE SENSE THAT, UH, WE HAVE, WE REQUIRE FOR THE PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING A REZONING THROUGH THE PLAN COMMERCIAL PROCESS.
UM, MOST CODES, OURS IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UM, 'CAUSE THE PLAN, COMMERCIAL CODE IS KIND OF A CATCHALL.
UM, BUT YOU USUALLY HAVE A KIND OF AN AUTO ORIENTED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS THOSE AUTO ORIENTED USES.
SO FAST FOOD, CONVENIENCE STORES, GAS STATIONS, KIND OF A HEAVIER OPERATION VERSUS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION, YOU LIMIT THE, UM, THE LIGHT TRESPASS, THE NOISE, THAT KIND OF THING.
AND SO THE, THE LIKE I THINK LIKE TAYLOR MART DOWN THE STREET, PRETTY GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL TYPE OF OF USE, IT'S PRETTY LOW IMPACT.
UM, VERSUS A 24 HOUR OPERATION, UM, VIA FAST FOOD, GAS STATION, ET CETERA.
UM, SO I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY AS WE GO THROUGH, UM, AND, AND LOOK AT MAYBE MAKING A BETTER DEFINITION, ESPECIALLY IN OUR ZONING MAPS, UM, OF THE, THE AUTO ORIENTED INTENSE USE AREAS VERSUS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
THIS ONE, I AGREE MS. JEFFRIES, THAT THIS IS KIND OF A, A UNIQUE SITE THAT IS WELL SITUATED FOR THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF FEET FROM THE SITE VERSUS THE, THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THAT'S, THAT'S TYPICALLY NOT THE CASE.
AND MY CONCERN WOULD BE IF WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE CASEY'S THAT'S GOING AT THE OLD BARNEYS, IF THAT WAS SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT'S A, OR THE CAR WASH AND MERRILY WAY.
I KNOW THOSE ARE NEXT TO OTHER BUSINESSES, BUT THOSE WERE STRAIGHT ZONED PROJECTS THAT DIDN'T HAVE TO COME ASK FOR PERMISSION.
SO IF WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT NEXT TO HOUSING, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE,
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IF THAT'S A RISK, WE SHOULD ADDRESS IT OR LOOK INTO IT BEFOREHAND INSTEAD OF LEARNING THE HARD WAY.BECAUSE THOSE, LIKE I SAID, THOSE DIDN'T HAVE TO COME IN AND ASK FOR ANYTHING.
AND IT WOULD BE HARD TO SAY NO SIMPLY BECAUSE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T LIKE IT IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE CODE TO STAND BEHIND THAT.
SO, SO THEN I HAD SOMETHING ELSE TOO.
AND THEN ALSO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE THROUGH HERE OR THROUGH OTHERS, BUT, AND, AND I KNOW WE'VE BROUGHT UP WHAT'S GOING ON WITH RURAL KING, BUT COULD WE CLARIFY THE, THE PUDS FOR RURAL KING AND LOWE'S AS THEY'RE SETTING OUT ALL THEIR STUFF NOW AND MAKING SURE.
'CAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, I, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT RURAL KING BEFORE, I DON'T REMEMBER EVER SEEING WHERE THEY WERE APPROVED TO PUT THE CONCRETE BARRIERS UP THERE THAT RESTRICTED THE EASEMENT OF TRAFFIC GETTING OUT OF THE PARKING LOT.
AND THEY RE THEY DO BLOCK THAT STILL.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, I WAS AT LOWE'S LAST SUMMER AND YOU WERE DODGING CARS IF YOU'RE OVER THERE LOOKING FOR FLOWERS.
AND I REALLY THINK THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF IT.
BUT THEY LITERALLY HAD, YOU KNOW, PUT IT OUT INTO WHERE YOU WERE PAST ALL THE SAFETY LANES.
AT THE SAME POINT, THEY'VE, THEY'VE ESTABLISHED OUTDOOR PICKUP AREA, WHICH IS ALSO RIGHT THERE AT THAT ENTRANCE.
AND THAT'S THE ENTRANCE FROM THE KOHL SIDE ALL IN THAT SPOT WITH PEOPLE TRAVERSING BACK AND FORTH LOOKING AT THE FLOWERS.
AND I THINK IT'S WORTH REVIEW OR DISCUSSION AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S, MAYBE IT'S APPROVED THAT WAY.
IF IT IS, BE IT, I JUST WOULD BE SHOCKED AFTER BEING THERE LAST SUMMER AND SEEING THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ABOUT GET HIT.
SO RULE KING JUST AS AN EYESORE TO BEGIN WITH AND O OTHER ONES IN THE OTHER CITIES, THEY'RE CLEANER.
THEY LOOK A LOT NICER AND THEY'RE MORE ORGANIZED AND ALL THE STUFF WE'VE ASKED FOR, THEY HAVE IT SPRINGFIELD AND SPRINGFIELD'S A REALLY NICE STORE FOR SPRINGFIELD.
SO IT'S CLEAN, IT'S ORGANIZED.
THE PARKING LOT LOOKS THE RURAL KING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN SPRINGFIELD VERSUS HERE AT HUBER.
AND I THINK IT'S IN AN OLD KMART THERE TOO.
WELL, I WOULD, I I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK THAT WE NEED A RE FOR REVIEW OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT RURAL KING, FOR INSTANCE IS THE MEDICAL FACILITY THAT'S GONE.
SO NOW THE RURAL KING HAS THE WHOLE AREA.
WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT TRAFFIC IN AND OUT AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT WE HAD BEFORE.
UH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE NOT COMPLIANT WITH? AND I, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP THAT IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT OR MAYBE THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND IF THEY ARE, THEN WE WILL BACK OFF.
SO ISN'T THE PARKING LOT BETWEEN FIFTH THIRD AND IHOP FOR SALE YEAH.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S IN THAT PLOT FOR SALE.
SO IF THAT SELLS, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT WHAT RULE? BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE TRAFFIC.
SO HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE WHOLE SITUATION WITH RULE KING AND THEN BLOCKING UP HALF THE PARKING ROAD? YEAH, I THINK GET THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE LOTS THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE, THAT ARE FOR SALE.
BECAUSE I THOUGHT, ISN'T THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT SUPPOSED TO HAVE CROSS EASEMENT AS FAR AS TRAFFIC? IT DOES, YEAH.
WELL, IT'S BARRICADED BY THEM RIGHT NOW.
IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
WELL I THINK THAT WAS TO, TO LIMIT THE RIG, THE SEMI-TRUCK PARKING THAT WAS OCCURRING THERE.
BUT THEY PARKED THEIR SEMI-TRUCK OUT THERE TO SELL HAY OUT OF AT THE SAME TIME
WELL THEY PARK AND THEY GO, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH ZONING TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE.
THIS IS ABOUT THE TIME WHERE THEY, UM, UPDATE THEIR OUTDOOR STORAGE, UM, PERMITS AND OUTDOOR SALES PERMITS.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING IT UP NOW IF WE'VE GOT A A ANY KIND OF, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE LEVERAGE AFTER THE FACT.
SO I'M, WELL KIND OF TO THE SAME POINT OF THAT PARKING LOT.
UM, THE, THE KROGER, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH, UM, THE VEGETATION GROWING UP AND BLOCKING, UM, THAT THOROUGHFARE WHERE IT COMES BETWEEN KROGER AND THE GAS STATION, YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO SEE AROUND LIKE SOME OF THE TALLER, UM, LANDSCAPING.
SO MAYBE GETTING THAT ADDRESSED.
AND, AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT MIGHT BE PARTLY ON THE CITY TOO BECAUSE WE APPROVED IT.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP KROGER? UM, NOW I HAVE HEARD RUMORS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN CONFIRM THIS, BUT I HAVE HEARD RUMORS THAT KROGER IS ACTUALLY LEAVING THAT FACILITY AND THEY'RE BUILDING A NEW ONE BEHIND IT IN THAT LOCATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN CONFIRM OR DENY OR CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT,
BUT, UM, IT IS, UM, DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT HAPPENING SHOULD LOOK AT THAT.
WELL, IT, THE STORE'S A CRAP HOLE ANYHOW TOO INSIDE.
I MEAN, IT JUST, IT'S LIKE THEY'RE NOT, AND I KNOW HOW KROGER OPERATES.
THEY DON'T PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO SOMETHING THAT THEY KNOW IS GOING TO BE MOVING OR CHANGING AND MAKING IT BIGGER.
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MEANTIME, IF WE COULD GET, I KNOW JUST PERSONALLY, I'VE ALMOST GOTTEN HIT A COUPLE TIMES TRYING TO INCH MY WAY OUT TO MAKE A TURN ABOVE THAT TALL GRASS.SO HOW CAN PLANT, HOW CAN ZONING WORK WITH THEM TO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT AT A CERTAIN LEVEL OR, YOU KNOW, CHANGE SOME OF IT.
AND I HAVE A CURIOSITY QUESTION ABOUT THE HUBER CENTER.
I WAS DRIVING BY THERE THE OTHER NIGHT AND THERE WERE ABSOLUTELY NO LIGHTS ON, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC
IT'S JUST THAT THOSE LIGHTS ARE THEY, SO THERE WASN'T A POWER OUTAGE OVER THERE.
UH, AND I'M WONDERING, UM, DO WE REQUIRE THEM TO LEAVE PARKING LIGHTS ON WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED? YEAH.
I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING UNTIL THE CONTRARY.
THEY MAY HAVE HAD AN ELECTRICAL FLUKE.
I'M JUST POINT OUT AGAIN TO REMIND EVERYBODY, WE DID PASS SOMETHING A WHILE BACK THAT REQUIRED THE HUBER CENTER TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR PARKING LOT AND THEY'RE ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS OUT COMPLIANCE.
EVEN THOUGH WE ONLY HAVE TO SIGN UP, I'LL BRING IT UP THE REST OF THE YEAR WHILE I'M HERE.
BUT
EVEN THE LANDSCAPING HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED UNDERNEATH THAT.
THEY CHANGED THE CODE MULCH COUNTS FOR LANDSCAPING NOW OVER THERE.
WHAT? THAT CAME UHHUH THAT DIDN'T COME THROUGH, BUT YEAH.
A LOT OF FUN IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO, BUT YEAH, BEFORE YOU GOT HERE, AARON, IN THAT PARKING LOT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN REPAID, NOT RE NOT BLACKTOP, RIPPED OUT AND REPLACED ALL THE APARTMENTS IN THEIR ONE BEDROOM.
APARTMENTS THAT ARE, THE POTHOLES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FIXED AND REPLACED.
SO JUST WANTED REMIND EVERYBODY.
WE'RE STARTING TO SEE ALL THE, ALL THE UH,
ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE THE COMMISSION? THAT'S IT.
DOES ANYBODY WANT THESE FOR ANYTHING?