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[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
WELCOME TO THE STATE OF HEBREW HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.TODAY'S DATE IS MARCH 5TH, 2024.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED AT 6 0 1.
THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO TONY, IF YOU CAN CALL THE ROLE PLEASE.
MRS. KITCHEN IS NOTIFIED AS SHE'S GONNA BE A FEW MINUTES LATE.
AND NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS
[2. Approval Of Minutes]
APPROVAL OF MINUTES.ITEM TWO A ARE THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024.
UH, IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, CORRECTIONS, FACING NONE, THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
[ City Manager Report]
ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION.SO WE'LL GET STARTED WITH ITEM THREE A AND THAT'S THE CITY MANAGER REPORT.
I WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT, UH, THIS WEEK I APPROVED THE FINAL PROOFS OF THE LETTERS THAT WILL BE GOING OUT TO THOSE AFFECTED BY THE CYBER ATTACK.
UH, I'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT THOSE LETTERS WILL START BEING SENT, UH, EARLY NEXT WEEK.
UM, WENT BY MARY MEADOWS TODAY.
UH, THE BUILDING'S BEEN COMPLETELY REMOVED.
UH, ONCE THEY FINISHED CLEANING UP THE LOT, UH, TRAFFIC SHOULD BE BACK TO NORMAL, GOING BACK, UH, INTO DOGTOWN.
UM, MR. BERGMAN ADVISED ME TODAY THAT WORK'S BEGUN ON THE FISHBURG WIDENING PROJECT.
UH, THIS WILL BE HAPPENING BETWEEN OLD TROY PIKE AND TOMBERG.
AND THEN FINALLY, STAFF'S BEEN PLANNING, UH, FOR THE APRIL 8TH TOTAL ECLIPSE EVENT IN THE REGION.
UH, THIS WILL BE A SOLAR ECLIPSE, UH, VIEWABLE, UH, IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO GIVEN THE LARGE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING, UM, WE ARE ENCOURAGING RESIDENTS TO VIEW THE ECLIPSE FROM HOME.
UH, SARAH, I BELIEVE WILL HAVE SOME VIEWING GLASSES, UH, AVAILABLE SOON HERE AT CITY HALL.
AND POLICE AND FIRE HAVE BEEN PUTTING TOGETHER AN INCIDENT ACTION PLAN.
UM, I'LL GIVE MORE UPDATES ON THE SOLAR ECLIPSE, UH, OVER THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TODAY, MAYOR.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR RICK? OKAY.
AND NEXT TIME, THREE B, WHICH IS
[ Parks And Recreation Board Update]
THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD UPDATE.SO WE HAVE, UH, ALEX BLACK, WHO'S THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD HERE TO GIVE OUR ONGOING UPDATES.
CITY BOARD BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND, UH, GOOD EVENING TO THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL.
AND, UM, AS YOU POINTED OUT, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO TONIGHT WAS TO JUST UPDATE YOU ON SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES WE HAD GOING ON THAT WE STARTED BACK IN THE FALL.
UM, AND WE ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE ARE SCHEDULED FOR 2024.
WE GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE YMCA INPUTS AND SOME STATS OF NUMBER OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE IN DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES.
AND WE WANT TO GIVE YOU, UM, AN OUTLINE OF WHERE THE ADVISORY BOARD HAS BEEN FOCUSING OUR ATTENTION THE LAST TWO MONTHS AND WORKING WITH THE, UH, NEW PARK MANAGER, UM, MS. SARAH MCPHERSON HERE.
AND WE ALSO NEED TO UPDATE YOU ON THE BOARD MEMBERSHIP BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN IN FLUX THERE LATELY.
UH, UPDATE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS DOWN AT COMMUNITY PARK.
THE, UH, INSTALL, WE RAN INTO A PROBLEM WITH THE, UM, GETTING THE PAINT DONE BECAUSE THE GROUND GOT TOO COLD BEFORE, UH, WE WAS ABLE TO GET THE COURT PAINTED.
SO, UM, THEY'RE ALL INSTALLED AND THEY ARE, THEY WERE DONE CORRECTLY THIS TIME,
SO JUST A MATTER OF NOW WAITING, YOU KNOW, TO GET THE, UM, UH, THE COLORS, THE RED, BLUE, AND THE GREEN COLORS THEN.
UM, GLAD TO HEAR THEY WERE DONE CORRECTLY.
YES, AND, AND CHUCK, I'VE HAD PEOPLE GO BY AND LOOK AT 'EM AND I'VE HAD ALL KIND OF COMMENTS, BUT THEY CAN'T WAIT TO GET OUT THERE IN PLACE.
SO THAT PROBLEM WE CAN WORK WITH.
WE ALSO, UH, HAD A LIST OF THINGS WE WANT TO DO IN TERMS OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
UH, NOW SARAH HAS BEEN WORKING TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THE VENDORS, UH, WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
AND, UH, THE BOARD ARE GOING TO START SELECTING THAT EQUIPMENT, BUT WE WANT TO DO THAT NEXT ITEM THAT TO CATEGORIZE AND ALIGN THE PARKS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IN HUBER HEIGHTS SOMEHOW LOOKED ALMOST THE SAME IN TERMS OF EQUIPMENT YOU HAVE THERE.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE ONE PARK HAVING SAY, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR SMALL CHILDREN AND ANOTHER ONE DIDN'T THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
SO THAT'S OUR PRIORITY WAS TO GET 'EM ALL LOOKING THE SAME IN TERMS OF THE CATEGORY.
IF THEY ARE REGIONAL PARKS OR WHATEVER, THEN THOSE HAVE DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT AND HAVE THOSE ALL STANDARDIZED.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, ONE POINT OUT
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THAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THE RENOVATION HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND THEY ARE NOW ACCEPTING RESERVATION FOR THAT.ACTIVITIES WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THIS YEAR.
WE HAVE A PARK CLEANUP SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 22ND.
WE ALSO HAVE, IN TERMS OF THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, WE HAVE SCHEDULED TWO TOURNAMENTS TO BE DONE.
ONE IN JUNE AND ONE IN SEPTEMBER.
UH, THE ONE IN JUNE, WE WERE GOING TO FORMAT IT SO THAT IT WOULD BE A MORE FOR FRIENDLY GET TOGETHER.
EVERYBODY PLAYS TOURNAMENTS UP ROUND ROBIN FORMAT WHERE EVERYONE PLAYS THE SAME NUMBER OF GAMES, BUT IT'S FORMATTED THAT YOU'LL BE ALLOWED TO PICK, BE ABLE TO PICK A WINNER AT THE END OF THE EVENT.
AND SO IT'D BE A LIMIT TO 24 PLAYERS BECAUSE YOU'RE PLAYING FULL TO FULL ROUND.
UM, AND WE ARE HOPING THAT IF THIS CATCHES ON, THIS COULD BECOME AN ANNUAL EVENT BECAUSE I PLAYED IN ONE OVER IN RICHMOND LAST YEAR AND THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT I KNOW OF IN THIS AREA.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL REALLY, REALLY ENJOY.
NOW, IN SEPTEMBER THOUGH, WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING ONE THEN MORE COMPETITIVE STYLE, BUT WE WANT TO BREAK IT UP INTO AGE GROUPS.
AND WE ARE NOT SURE WHETHER WE DO 50 IN UNDER AND 55 AND OVER, OR WHETHER IT BE SMALLER GROUPS, DEPENDING WHAT, HOW MANY PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR THAT ONE.
AND THAT'LL BE OVER TWO DAYS, A FRIDAY AND A SATURDAY.
THE FRIDAY EVENT WOULD BE FOR THE OLDER AGE GROUP, THOSE WHO ARE RETIRED OR DON'T WORK, WHICHEVER.
AND ON SATURDAY WOULD BE THE YOUNGER PEOPLES WHO ARE, WHO HAVE TO WORK.
UM, WE'VE ALSO STARTED IDENTIFYING WHAT EQUIPMENT WE WILL NEED FOR THAT EVENT, AND I WILL TOUCH ON THAT LATER.
NOW ALSO FOR 24, WE HAVE THE STRONG KIT TRIATHLON, AND THAT IS USUALLY WILL BE AT THE AQUATIC, UH, CENTER UP AT THE
AND THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 3RD.
UH, AND LAST YEAR THAT EVENT HOSTED OVER 300 STUDENTS OR KIDS WE CALL IT, BUT STUDENTS SHOWED UP FOR THAT.
AND ALSO IN PLACE OF THE ANNUAL, UM, HALLOWEEN EVENTS.
HERE WE ARE PLANNING THE TRICK OR TREAT, WHICH WOULD ALSO BE AT THE YMCA, AND THAT IS THE, UH, I THINK IT'S THE LAST FRIDAY IN OCTOBER.
I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT DATE ON THAT ONE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S, UH, THE HALLOWEEN WEEKEND, THE SUMMER MUSIC SERIES.
THIS YEAR WE HAVE SIX EVENTS SCHEDULED, TWO IN AUGUST, JUNE, JULY, AND AUGUST.
NOW WHO THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE, BUT WE HAVE SIX SCHEDULED FOR THOSE THREE MONTHS OF THE SUMMER.
THE AQUATIC CENTER DIRECTED THE Y INFORM ME THAT HE WAS READY FOR THAT.
THEY HAVE THE STUDENTS, THE LIFEGUARDS ALL PREPARED AND THEY ARE READY FOR THAT.
AND, UM, THAT OPENING DATE IS MAY 25TH.
GOING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE THERE, MAY 25TH IS WHEN THEY HAVE THAT SCHEDULED TO OPEN.
AND FOR 23, THAT WAS 34,836 VISITORS TO THE AQUATIC CENTER.
AND, UH, TALKING TO UH, CHRIS, HE INDICATED THAT THEY ANTICIPATE THAT BEING THE SAME OR MORE THIS YEAR, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE WARM WEATHER THE LAST YEAR WE HAD A RAINING PERIOD THERE THAT SORT OF SLOWED THINGS DOWN.
AND SO THEY ANTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, THAT NUMBER BEING, UH, A LITTLE HIGHER THIS YEAR.
UH, IN TERMS OF RENTERS, WE ARE NOW ACCEPTING RENTERS AND FOR 23 THERE WERE 582 SHELTERS RESERVATION.
THE COMMUNITY CENTER HAD 173, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE STARTED A LITTLE LATE, BUT THEY HAD 173 FOR THAT YEAR.
AND THE AQUATIC CENTER WHERE THEY HAD PRIVATE PARTIES OR SO FORTH, THERE WAS 75 OF THOSE LAST YEAR.
AND THE YMCA MEMBERSHIP, THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 14,034 MEMBERS WHEN I GOT THIS DATA LAST WEEK.
AND 78% OF THOSE LIVE IN THE HUBER HEIGHTS ZIP CODE, OLD YOUTH PARTICIPATION.
THIS IS A BIG EVENT HERE DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, AND ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN TO THE Y BETWEEN JUNE AND UM, SEPTEMBER, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ALWAYS A LOT OF CHILDREN AROUND.
AND, UM, THIS STRONG KID TRES ALONG WITH 300 PLUS SWIM LESSON WAS THE ONE SURPRISE.
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EVEN ME.THERE WAS 1800 PLUS, UH, STUDENTS TAKING PART IN THE SWIM LESSON.
THERE WAS 624 PLAYING SOCCER LAST YEAR.
AND FLAG FOOTBALL HAD 202 BASEBALL.
THAT WAS TWO 16, VOLLEYBALL WAS 451.
AND, UH, REPEAT THE NUMBERS I SHOWED YOU BEFORE.
THERE WAS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM HUBER HEIGHTS AND THE TOTAL NUMBER OF, UH, Y MEMBERS, UM, INPUTS FROM THE BOARD AND THE, UH, PARK MANAGER.
WE ARE PLANNING, I COULD SAY A DAY SET FOR APRIL 20TH, AND WE HAVE HAD OVER 100 TREES BEING DONATED BY A DEEPLY ROOTED LANDSCAPE.
NOW, I UNDERSTAND FROM SARAH THAT SHE HAS THREE SPECIES OF NATIVE TREES AND 25 SHRUBS, AND THAT WILL BE ON A FIRST COME FIRST BASE, FIRST COMM, FIRST, THIRD BASIC.
AND IT WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED AT THE EICHENBERG THEATER BETWEEN NINE AND 11 O'CLOCK ON THE, UH, ON THE TWENTIES.
UM, WE ARE WORKING TO CLARIFY OUR MISSION.
I POINTED OUT EARLIER, AND, UH, WE ARE USING THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS PREPARED BY THE, UH, CONSULTANT WE HAD IN 2018.
AND, UH, SAID EARLIER, WE ARE USING THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALIGNING ALL THE PARKS WITH WHAT THE CITY SEEMED TO THINK IS OUR, OUR GOAL SHOULD BE OUR GOAL, UH, UM, PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT.
AND WE HAVE, UH, PLANS GOING FOR THAT.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE HAVE PORTABLE TABLES AND BENCHES FOR COMMUNITY PARK.
THIS WAS IN OUR UPDATE WHEN WE TALKED TO YOU IN, UH, IN NOVEMBER.
AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT SARAH HAS ALSO STARTED MAKING CONTACTS AND HAS THOSE ON ORDER.
DID YOU NEED TO ADVANCE THE SLIDE? THANK YOU.
BUT YEAH, AND, UM, SORRY ABOUT
SO WE, WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PAR, THE BENCHES AND THE TABLES THERE, UH, WHEN WE START TO PLAY.
AND THE LAST SLIDE IS THE ONE ON THE BOARD MEMBERSHIP.
THE NUMBER, THE NAMES I HAVE IN RED ARE THE ONES THAT, UM, EITHER RESIGNED OR WE ARE NOT SURE BECAUSE MS. CINDY SMITH HAS MISSED TWO MEETINGS.
AND SO WE THINK WE ARE GONNA WAIT UNTIL HER TERM EXPIRES THE END OF THIS MONTH, AND WE THINK THAT WE OVERCOME BY EVENT.
MR. BLAKE STEIN, WE REALLY WANT TO CONGRATULATE HIM.
HERSTEIN, I SHOULD SAY, HE DOESN'T HAVE TIME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF HIS INTERN, I GUESS, AND SO FORTH.
AND SO, UH, HE DID A GREAT JOB WHILE HE WAS THERE, BUT I CAN SEE WHY HIS PRIORITIES HAS SHIFTED A BIT.
AND WE HAVE THAT ONE VACANT SPOT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM DOWN THERE THAT WE ARE STILL ON THE FIELD.
AND OTHER THAN THAT, SOME OF THE MEMBERS ON THE BOARD HAD MENTIONED ABOUT FILLING AN HONORARY POSITION WITH A MEMBER OF A HIGH SCHOOL, WHETHER IT BE THE BEST OF HIGH SCHOOL OR THE WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SUGGESTION ON HOW WE SHOULD GO ABOUT FEELING THAT WE WERE JUST PUTTING IT OUT NOW AS A FEELER, IF SEE WE GET ANY INPUT, SAY, YOU KNOW, DON'T COMPLICATE THE SYSTEM OR WHATEVER, WE'LL LEAVE IT ALONE.
BUT SOMEONE BROUGHT THAT UP AND WE THOUGHT WE SHOULD JUST AT LEAST BRING IT UP HERE AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING THAT, MAKING THAT AN HONORARY POSITION, WHETHER IT BE A VOTING MEMBER THAT'S TO BE DECIDED OR JUST SOMEONE WHO CAN BE ON THE BOARD AND GIVE THAT INPUT.
AND I WOULD ANSWER A QUESTION IF I CAN YOU HAVE ANY, FIRST I'D JUST SAY THANK YOU, APPRECIATE THE UPDATE, AND I THINK, UM, THAT'S GREAT DATA, UH, THAT YOU HAD TO SHOW US.
I THINK SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS, UH, YOU KNOW, SURPRISED ME AS WELL.
UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK, UH, THIS IS ALL GREAT DATA AND IT'S INFORMATION THAT WE, THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
I THINK SO JUST FROM A, A PARK TRACK STANDPOINT, I THINK, I THINK HAVING SOME STUDENTS INVOLVED IS A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK YOU COULD GET SOMEBODY FROM BETHEL AND SOMEBODY FROM WAYNE AND JUST HAVE THEM SHARE MEETINGS.
IF THERE'S 12 MEETINGS A YEAR, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU GET INPUT.
UH, IF THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HERE ONE MEETING A PIECE OR YOU KNOW, THEY ALTERNATE.
SO THEY GET SIX, SIX OPPORTUNITIES A YEAR.
SO IT'S NOT A HUGE COMMITMENT.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY HAVING, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, JUST YOUNGER INPUT PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT USING THE PARKS TOO.
I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
WELL, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD HAS DISCUSSES THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING, UH, IN TWO WEEKS THEN.
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YES.AND THAT I'M GONNA INTRODUCE MS. SARAH, NEXT QUESTION.
GO SEE IF THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS AND THAT'S, AND THEN WE'LL GO.
UH, ALEX, DID YOU SAY THAT THE PAINT IS AVAILABLE WHEN THE WEATHER PERMITS? THE PAINTING, THE PAINT FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS? I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S AVAILABLE.
WE DON'T HAVE POSSESSION OF IT.
IT IS A CONTRACTOR GOING TO BE PUTTING IT DOWN, SO I'M NOT SURE WHETHER, UH, HE HAS TO PAINT AND JUST WAITING FOR THE GROUND TO, TO WARM UP BECAUSE THEY PAINTED THE LINES.
SO I'M ASSUMING THEY PAINTED THE LINES.
THEY MUST HAVE THE PAINT AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, TO DO IT BECAUSE, UH, NOT BEING A PAINTER, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THAT GROUND WOULD HAVE TO BE A CERTAIN TEMPERATURE BEFORE THEY PUT IT DOWN.
HUBER HEIGHTS IS BETTER BECAUSE OF YOU
I WANTED TO SAY THAT TO YOU FOR A LONG TIME.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION YEAH.
AND, AND I'M SO BLESSED TO HAVE YOU ON THE BOARD.
AND EACH YEAR IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, OUR PARKS DIVISION AND THE ACTIVITIES JUST GET BETTER AND BETTER.
WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I'LL MAKE SURE WE PASS IT ON.
HOLD IT MR. BLACK, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
AT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, WILL THEY HAVE BLEACHERS OR LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM THERE PERMANENTLY.
ARE THEY GETTING THEM FROM CLOUD OR, WELL, THE ONES THAT WE ORDER ARE PORTABLE, BUT I THINK THE BOAT WAS RECOMMENDING THAT THEY BE PERMANENT.
SO NOW THESE MAY JUST BE A TEMPORARY FICTIONAL BECAUSE PEOPLE START SHOWING UP.
YOU GOT MORE THAN 24 PEOPLE, YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE PEOPLE SITTING ON THE GROUND.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THE, THE QUICK FIX.
BUT WE HAD RECOMMENDED THEY BE STATIONARY AND UH, WAS IT, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT GOING TO BE DRILLED INTO THE GROUND OR WHATEVER.
NO, BUT HOW THEY GOING TO DO IT? I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE RECOMMENDED IT BE PERMANENT.
WOULD THERE BE PERMANENT BLEACHERS PUT IN OR JUST SET SOME TABLES IN THE SHEET? THAT'S, WELL, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GONNA BE BLEACHES.
I THOUGHT MORE OF JUST BENCHES AROUND THERE, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
AND THEY WILL BE ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE WE JUST, IF WE PUT THEM.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? NONE.
YEAH, I DON'T WANNA LET ALEX EITHER WAY THAT THAT'S OKAY.
HOW YOU DOING? HOW DOING SIR? YEAH, ALEX, UM, A LOT OF WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT IS THE RELATIONSHIP, I BELIEVE BETWEEN YOUR BOARD AND THE LAW AS FAR AS THE ACTIVITIES RIGHT.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, UM, UH, YOUR, THE, THE BOARD'S RELATIONSHIP TO THE Y AND HOW THAT'S WORKING BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU? IT IS WORKING VERY WELL AND A GOOD EXAMPLE IS, UM, THESE ARE THE DETAILS THAT I DIDN'T PRESENT HERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT MAY BE TOO MINUTE NEW, BUT FOR THE PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT, PEOPLE WOULD SIGN UP THROUGH THE Y WEBSITE, THEY CALL IN AND SAY THEY WANNA PLAY IN THE JUNE 8TH PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT.
THEY WILL PAY THEM, WHETHER IT BE CREDIT CARD OR COME IN AND PAY BY CASH.
AND, UH, NOW WHERE THOSE FUNDS GO, WE DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT THE MONEY'S PAID THERE AND, UH, THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE ARE BUYING WILL BE BOUGHT THROUGH THE Y DELIVERED TO THE PARK AND PARK MANAGER OR TO THE PARK BOARD.
UM, AND JUST ONE OTHER COMMENT.
YOU, UH, MENTIONED THE HONORARY MEMBERS AND I, I WILL HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, CLERK OF COUNCIL HERE IN JUST A MOMENT ON THAT.
BUT THE HONORARY STUDENT MEMBERS, UM, UH, I I WOULD ALSO LIKE YOU TO SEE, UM, UH, TO CONSIDER ONE FROM EACH, UH, BETHEL AND WAYNE.
UH, AND MY QUESTION TO, UH, CLERK OF COUNSEL WOULD BE, TONY, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THEM FROM BRINGING ON STUDENT MEMBERS AS, UH, WE, WE HAVE SOME THINGS WE'D HAVE TO WORK AROUND, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE AND I ALREADY MADE A NOTE TO FOLLOW UP ON A PROCESS WITH SARAH, SO.
UH, AGAIN, ALEX, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, FOR YOU AND THE BOARD AND THE WORK YOU'RE DOING, IT'S AWESOME.
AND I MAKE SURE THE BOARD KNOWS ABOUT THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ELSE A QUESTION? OKAY.
AND THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING EVERYTHING THAT THE BOARD HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
UM, I BELIEVE I'VE MET ALMOST EVERYONE EXCEPT MS. KITCHEN.
UM, SO IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU TONIGHT.
UM, I WAS JUST ONBOARDED IN NOVEMBER.
UM, SO I'VE GOTTEN THE CHANCE TO NOW, UM, BE A PART OF THREE OF THE PARKS AND REC BOARD MEETINGS AND, UM, A LOT OF WHAT ALEX MENTIONED IS ALSO WHAT I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT.
SO HE MENTIONED WORKING ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
UM, IN 2018, THE DEPARTMENT HAD A MASTER PLAN DONE.
UM, SOME PARTS OF THE ACTION PLAN COMPONENT OF THAT PLAN JUST DON'T TOTALLY MESH WITH WHERE THE PARK SYSTEM
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IS TODAY.OBVIOUSLY WE WENT THROUGH COVID AND WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF CHANGES.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT EACH INDIVIDUAL PARK AND THE PARK SYSTEM AS A WHOLE TO TRY AND CATEGORIZE AND COME UP WITH PLANS FOR WHAT DOES A ROBUST PARK SYSTEM WITH DIVERSE OFFERINGS LOOK LIKE? UM, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AND A COMMUNITY PARK AND A REGIONAL PARK IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA WORK THROUGH THAT TOGETHER AND THAT WILL HOPEFULLY HELP GUIDE THE REMAKING OF THAT ACTION PLAN AND ALSO HELP, UM, THE DEPARTMENT COME UP WITH SOME MISSION, VISION AND VALUES ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD GUIDE OUR THINKING IN THE FUTURE.
SO VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THE BOARD'S INPUT ON THAT.
UM, I CAN ALSO TELL YOU INTERNALLY I'M WORKING ON A NUMBER OF POLICIES TO TRY AND ALIGN OUR PRACTICES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT WITH THE NATIONAL BEST STANDARDS SET FORTH BY THE NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARKS ASSOCIATION.
UM, SO I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF POLICY AND PROCEDURE WRITING AND DIGGING THROUGH HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST AND TRYING TO MAKE A LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO ADDRESS IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT HAS BEEN QUITE A BIT OF MY WORK.
UM, AND THEN AS OF LATE, UM, ALSO I'VE BEEN CONDUCTING PARK INSPECTIONS.
SO FROM A MANAGERIAL POINT OF VIEW, UM, WHAT DO I THINK OF THE PARKS, HOW DO I THINK THEY SHOULD BE UTILIZED, UM, GATHERING DATA, ALSO LOOKING AT GENERAL MAINTENANCE THINGS.
AND THEN THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION HAS ALSO RECENTLY CONDUCTED OUR CERTIFIED PLAYGROUND SAFETY INSPECTOR INSPECTIONS.
UM, AND THEY'VE DONE A VERY THOROUGH JOB OF THAT.
THEY IDENTIFIED A FEW PIECES FOR REPLACEMENT AND WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT AT A COUPLE OF PARKS.
UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, UM, SHO GATE PARK HAS COME UP AS NEEDING A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE.
AND SO, UM, SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT CERTAIN PIECES HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
AND THAT IS ACTUALLY NOW TO STATED DISREPAIR THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO BE TAKING IT DOWN AND PLAN FOR THE FUTURE ON, UM, HOW TO FUND AND REPLACE IT.
UM, ANOTHER PROJECT THAT I AM WORKING ON IS IMPLEMENTING THE DIRECTIVE FROM COUNCIL LAST YEAR TO, UM, DO IMPROVEMENTS AT DIAL PARK.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED THERE, GETTING WITH THE MANUFACTURER AND SETTING UP A TIMELINE TO TRY AND GET THAT INSTALLED FOR, UM, THE PUBLIC.
AND THOSE ARE KIND OF THE BIG HIGHLIGHTS.
I CAN ALSO ADDRESS ANY, UM, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT HAVE ARISEN FROM ALEX'S, UM, PRESENTATION OR THAT I'VE BROUGHT UP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU DO AND TAKING CARE OF OUR PARTS.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT SHO GATE PARK THAT YOU, YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE SOME ISSUES THERE.
COULD YOU EXPOUND ON THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT? SURE.
UM, SO I BELIEVE LOOKING AT THE HISTORICAL, UM, INSPECTIONS IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, IT WAS FIRST IDENTIFIED AS NEEDING SOME, UH, OF SOME PIECES THAT WERE ON THEIR WAY OUT.
LIKE AT ANY TIME THESE WERE GONNA GO, THOSE WERE RECONFIRMED IN OCTOBER, BUT WE WERE STILL FINE UNDER THE SAFETY STANDARDS WHEN THEY WERE REEVALUATED IN FEBRUARY.
THEY WERE PAST THE ABILITY TO REPAIR.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SAFETY INSPECTORS LOOK FOR ARE THINGS LIKE FINGER CATCHES OR CATCHES THAT MIGHT, UM, GET THE, WHAT WOULD IT BE CALLED? LIKE THE DRAW STRINGS ON YOUR HOODIE.
UM, AND SO A CHILD COULD BECOME ENSNARED OR ENDANGERED.
AND SO SEVERAL PIECES WERE REMOVED.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY CAUTION TAPED OUT THERE.
UM, AS THOSE STRUCTURES CONTINUE TO FAIL BECAUSE IT IS ALL OF THE SAME AGE, UM, IT WILL NOT, IT'S ONE NOT SIGHTLY, AND TWO, IT'S NOW NOT STRUCTURED FOR ITS INTENDED USE.
AND SO IT'S BEST SLATED TO COME DOWN.
NANCY, SARAH, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE UP TO NOW.
UM, IT'S ALMOST MIND BOGGLING TO HEAR ALL OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT, UH, THE ONE THING THAT I I'D LIKE TO ZERO IN ON FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR NEW COUNCIL, UH, MEMBERS IS THAT THE PARKS REC MASTER PLAN IS A LIVING DOCUMENT.
AND I'M VERY PLEASED TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE GOING TO UPDATE THAT AND THAT IT'S NOT JUST SITTING ON THE SHELF MM-HMM.
SO, UM, I'M REALLY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT GREAT THINGS TO COME AND WE REALLY ENJOY HAVING YOU HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY.
UM, SO I DO WANNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, AND SOME OF THIS MAY BE PROBABLY MAY BE MORE GEARED TOWARD RICK AND, AND BRIAN MAYBE, BUT, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND
UM, SO BACK WHEN WE, SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP DO PARK, PROBABLY WAS IT TWO YEARS AGO? SO HELP ME OUT.
TWO YEARS AGO, WE, WE, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SOME STUFF THERE AT DONALD PARK, YES.
WE HAD, UM, A LOT OF RESISTANCE FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA.
UM, THAT PARTICULAR SPACE HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, DEER AND JUST DIFFERENT ANIMALS THINGS TO GO THROUGH THERE.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT ALL LIVE AROUND THAT
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HAS ALWAYS SAID, AND MANY OF 'EM CAME HERE AND SEVERAL SPOKE FROM, FROM THAT PODIUM THAT THEY WERE AGAINST HAVING ANYTHING DONE THERE AT THE PARK.SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THAT PARK WAS IMPORTANT TO A COUPLE PEOPLE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE NOW, REALLY TWO OTHER, TWO OTHER SITUATIONS THAT WE HAVE, UM, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING, TRYING TO FIND EXTRA MONEY TO, TO FUND WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.
AND NOW HEARING THAT WE'VE GOT PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AT SHAWL THAT IS, HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT SO, SO MY, I'M JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT IT ISN'T JUST ABOUT REPAIRING SOME THAT'S THERE, THAT ENTIRE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT NEEDS TO COME OUT AND THERE NEEDS TO BE NEW PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT GOES IN THERE YES.
UM, SO YEAH, I, I'M JUST GONNA THROW THIS THOUGHT THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR COUNSEL DISCUSSION, I THINK, UH, I THINK WE HAD BUDGETED ABOUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR DIAL PARK AND I STILL DON'T THINK THERE'S A TON OF SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVE AROUND THAT PARTICULAR GREEN SPACE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
I THINK THIS COUNCIL NEEDS A SERIES TAKE A LOOK AT, AT MOVING THAT MONEY, UM, TO, TO ONE OF THOSE TWO AREAS TO EITHER MOVING IT TO DO PARK OR MOVE IT TO, UH, SHELL GATE PARK AND USE IT TO FUND AND REPLACE THAT EQUIPMENT THERE.
OR IF WE ARE DECIDING ON WHERE THAT MONEY GOES, MOVE THAT MONEY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WATER MAIN, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE, STARTING IN 2025, WE HAVE ABOUT $1.6 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS THAT ARE GONNA FALL OFF.
SO THAT FREES UP ABOUT $1.6 MILLION A YEAR ON TOP OF THE ONE, 1.8 MILLION.
WE'RE ALREADY FUNDING OUR WATER MAINS WIDTH.
SO I THINK A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ON TOP OF THE 1.8 THAT WE USE THIS YEAR COULD HELP THAT PROCESS ALONG BY, SINCE WE'RE GETTING IN THAT 18 MONTH CYCLE STARTING OF, OF ENGINEERING AND, AND GETTING THE, THAT 18 MONTH CYCLE WATER MAIN PROJECT MOVING OR MOVE IT TO AN AREA THAT WE'VE HAD PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT BEFORE THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA MISS BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE TEARING IT OUT.
SO I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION AT LEAST WORTH HAVING WITH THIS COUNCIL, NEEDS TO START THINKING ABOUT, UH, MAYBE A BETTER USE OF EXPENSE OF THAT MONEY, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE AT DOW PARK THERE'S NOT A BIG SUPPORT FOR ANYTHING THERE WHEN WE'VE GOT OTHER AREAS THAT PROBABLY NEED THAT MONEY MORE.
AND IN THIS CASE IT'S ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS AND I'M SAD TO HEAR THAT SHAW PARK IS MET, ITS TIMELINESS AND UM, I KNOW THAT THAT SHELTER'S RENTED MOST E EVERY WEEKEND FROM SPRING UNTIL FALL, LET ALONE I THINK THERE'S SOCCER USE THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF USE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT REPAIRED.
I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG IT TAKES TO ORDER REPLACE IT OR INSTALL A PLAY SET, BUT IF IT COULD BE UP AND RUNNING BEFORE SUMMER, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE TIMELINES AND THE ORDER LINES, SO THAT'S, BUT I'D MUCH RATHER SEE A PARK THAT'S HIGHLY USED VERSUS ONE THAT'S NOT EVEN STARTED BEING BUILT YET.
SO THAT TO ME IS HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO GO WHERE THE TAXPAYERS ARE EXPECTING THIS SERVICE TO BE.
THAT'S MY INTAKE ON IT, BUT I'M, I'M OPEN TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLE'S INPUTS.
SCOTT, THAT, THAT'S YOUR WARD.
SO, I MEAN, I KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD SOME CONTACT WITH PEOPLE THERE, I MEAN, UH, I KNOW A COUPLE YEARS AGO, MYSELF AND MR. WEBB, WE, WE WALKED DOOR TO DOOR DOWN THERE ALL AROUND THE AREA OF THAT PARK AND I GOT RUN OFF QUITE A FEW TIMES.
PEOPLE THAT ARE, WERE THAT UPSET THAT WE WERE EVEN GONNA PUT ANYTHING IN THAT SPACE.
I REMEMBER COMING TO THE COUNCIL MEETINGS ABOUT THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE THAT'S BUD RIGHT UP AGAINST IT.
I, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO IT AGAIN.
BUT SARAH, YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T DONE ANY RESEARCH HOW MUCH TO PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND IS GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR SHAWL.
HAVE YOU? UM, YES, ACTUALLY, SO MY INITIAL, UM, QUOTES ARE AROUND $390,000.
IF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS NOT CHEAP.
SO I'M ALMOST WITH, UH, C ON THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR EQUIPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED RIGHT NOW.
ONE MORE QUESTION TO FOLLOW UP.
WOULD THAT BE HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND? UM, YES.
SO THIS ACTUALLY WOULD, IT WOULD BE A VERY ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND.
SO NOT ONE OF THE LARGE PLAY STRUCTURES WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE.
AND THEN THERE WOULD BE, UM, THREE INDEPENDENT PIECES DESIGNED FOR ALL PHYSICAL ABILITIES.
SO SOME VERY COOL PROJECTS IN, IN WHAT WAS QUOTED INITIALLY AT LEAST.
WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE A BENCH TO WATCH THE CHILDREN? UM, WELL, A BENCH WE COULD DEFINITELY ABSORB INTO THE TYPICAL BUDGET OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
THE PLAYGROUND MANUFACTURER QUOTED, UM, REMOVAL OF EXISTING EQUIPMENT, UM, WHICH WE MAY NOT NEED WITH PUBLIC WORKS GETTING TO IT SOONER.
UM, THEY QUOTED SOME SITE WORK POURING THE PAD IN PLACE AS IT'LL BE A PORN PLAY BECAUSE WE ARE PUTTING IN SIGNIFICANT
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ACCESSIBLE EQUIPMENT, WE WANNA PUT IN THE MOST ACCESSIBLE FLOORING.UM, AND THEN ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT, UM, IT WILL BE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH SHOOL, IT'S SEPARATED INTO THREE SECTIONS PLUS A SANDBOX.
UM, SO IT WILL BE MOVING IT ALL TO JUST ONE LARGE SECTION.
AND THEN WE WILL ALSO WORK ELSEWHERE IN THE PARK'S BUDGET.
WE HAVE SOME GENERAL MAINTENANCE MONEY THAT WE CAN USE TO FIX UP KIND OF THE SIDEWALK LEANING TO IT AS WELL.
WOULD IT BE SCOOTED BACK FROM THE SHAWL ROAD SO IT'S FURTHER BACK FROM THE CHILDREN? IT WILL IT BE IN THE SAME LOCATION AREA.
UM, BUT THAT IS SEPARATED BY THE SHELTER.
UM, IT'S NOT OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY, TOHO TO SCOOT IT BACK.
IF WE DO THAT, WE MIGHT INCUR MORE SITE WORK BECAUSE IF WE PUT IT IN ITS EXISTING FOOTPRINT, WE ALREADY HAVE A PRETTY LEVEL SITUATION THAT WE'RE GOING ON TOP OF.
MARK, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT, SARAH? YES.
IF WHAT I SAW, UH, REGARDING THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A LIABILITY ISSUE AND KIDS COULD STILL GET TO IT, RIGHT? UM, YES.
SO THE INDEPENDENT PIECES THAT ARE OUT THERE ARE NOT OF ANY MORE DANGER THAN, THAN IF THEY WERE STILL THERE.
UM, THE PROBLEM BECOMES THAT CHILDREN MIGHT BE ANTICIPATING FEATURES THAT USED TO BE THERE.
UM, THEY MIGHT NOT BE USED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NEW DESIGN OF IT NOW THAT IT'S MISSING SOME PIECES.
SO I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN OF CHILDREN HURTING THEMSELVES ON EACH INDIVIDUAL PIECE, BUT I DO AGREE TO SOME EXTENT THAT IT SHOULD BE REMOVED BECAUSE IT IS NOW NOT HOW THE MANUFACTURER TOTALLY DESIGNED IT FOR US.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD GET REMOVED PRETTY SOON? YES.
I BELIEVE THAT PUBLIC WORKS IS WILLING TO WORK ON IT.
AND MAYOR, I THINK THAT'S A, A GREAT IDEA.
UH, WE HAVE A PARK CURRENTLY THAT IS IN NEED OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT VERSUS ONE THAT'S NEVER HAD ANY.
UM, BRIAN, YOU, YOU AND I HAD ACTUALLY WORKED ON SOME PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IN THE PAST AND I REMEMBER THERE WAS SOME LAG TIME ON, ON GETTING THE EQUIPMENT.
DO, DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET THE EQUIPMENT? UM, PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE TO SIX MONTHS, GIVE OR TAKE.
SO IF COUNSEL WERE TO ACT ON THIS MATTER, UM, IN SHORT ORDER, WE PROBABLY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE EQUIPMENT, UM, IN, UH, INBOUND AND INSTALLED BY LATE SUMMER.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, SARAH, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THAT MANUFACTURER HAS THE SAME TIMETABLE THAT, UH, THAT WE HAD WHEN LAST WE WERE LOOKING AT IT.
RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE SLATED THAT WE WOULD GET PIECES IN HAND THE END OF JULY, AND THEN WHEN YOU DO THE CONSTRUCTION, THE POURING OF THE PAD ASSEMBLY, ALL OF THAT, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING KIND OF LATE SUMMER, SO LATE AUGUST TO EARLY SEPTEMBER WOULD BE THE TIMELINE THAT WE COULD GET IT IN.
UM, SO GETTING THE EQUIPMENT ORDERED RIGHT AWAY IS IMPORTANT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT IN ORDER TO MITIGATE SOME OF THAT LOSS OF THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
I KNOW IT DOESN'T QUITE MAKE UP FOR IT, UM, FOR CHILDREN THAT LIVE IN THE MEDIA AREA, BUT WE COULD PROGRAM OUT THE PARK A LITTLE MORE, UM, PARTNER WITH THE Y TO OFFER SOME MORE CHILDREN'S PROGRAMS THERE, USE OTHER RESOURCES TO FIND CONTRACTORS TO OFFER PROGRAMS. AND SO AT LEAST MONTHLY OR A COUPLE TIMES A MONTH, WE COULD ACTIVATE THAT PARK SO THAT FAMILIES COULD UTILIZE IT.
IT WAS A GREAT IDEA, MAYOR, SIR, ONE MORE QUESTION.
COULD WE MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY GO TO MAKE A RESERVATION FOR THAT BIRTHDAY SHELTER THAT THEY KNOW WELL THIS PARK PARK, THE PART OF THIS PLAYGROUND IS OF DIMINISHED CAPACITY.
AND SO LIKE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE, I DON'T WANT THEM TO SHOW UP WITH A BUNCH OF CHILDREN AND HAVE A DISAPPOINTING BIRTHDAY.
YES, I CAN, UM, MAKE SURE IT'S FLAT ONE CONTACT EVERYONE WHO HAS RES RESERVED IT SO FAR AND OFFERED THEM ANOTHER SHELTER IN THE SYSTEM.
AND THEN TWO, WE WILL PUT A WARNING MOVING FORWARD FOR EITHER ONLINE OR CALL RESERVATIONS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT ANTICIPATE THE PLAYGROUND.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY'S DISAPPOINTED.
UH, AND TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT, UH, MS. BAKER WAS SAYING, THE PICTURE ON THE WEBSITE, IS THAT, DOES THAT ACCURATELY REFLECT WHAT'S THERE NOW AT THIS MOMENT? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THE WEBSITE HAS BEEN UPDATED.
SO IT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE WHEN INTACT.
SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO UPDATE THE WEBSITE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AS WELL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, DON? WELL, YEAH, ONE.
SO IS THERE ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN PLACE THERE RIGHT NOW CAN BE REPAIRED TO A STANDARD WHERE IT CAN BE UTILIZED BY, UM, UH, OUR RESIDENTS, UH, WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THIS FIVE TO SIX MONTH LAG PERIOD? UM, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
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THAT THE PIECES THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY MISSING ARE KIND OF CONNECTORS FROM PIECE TO PIECE.UM, AND THEN THE, AND THEN THERE'S SOME SLIDES GONE AS WELL.
SO THEY'RE JUST KIND OF A, A DROP OFF.
AND SO EVEN IF WE WERE TO REMOVE, SAY, UM, THE PODIUM, WHICH YOU USED TO GET ON TO GO DOWN THE SLIDE, UM, THE OTHER AREAS, THERE'S STILL, THERE'S STILL A LACK OF CONNECTION.
UM, SO I GUESS YOU'RE NOT TRAVERSING THE PLAY SYSTEM LIKE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO.
UM, MY OTHER CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THESE CONTINUE TO BREAK BECAUSE THEY ARE SO ADVANCED IN AGE.
AND THEN WHAT IF IT'S NOT ON A DAY THAT WE WERE OUT INSPECTING? THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'VE ALREADY NOTED IT AS A CONCERN, UM, IN OUR INSPECTIONS.
UH, I, I DO REALIZE THAT YOU'VE JUST COME ON BOARD AND, UH, I TRUST YOUR EXPERTISE 100% IN THIS MATTER.
UM, OBVIOUSLY MY CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE NOW COMING UP ON A SEASON WHEN THIS PARK WILL BE WELL UTILIZED.
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST USED PARKS IN THE SYSTEM, YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE.
AND, UM, IT'S, UH, A CONSTANT DRAW FOR NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS.
SO IF THERE IS A WAY TO FIX, MAINTAIN, MAKE IT SAFE DURING THE INTERIM, AND THEN SCHEDULE A TEAR DOWN AND REPLACEMENT, UM, AT ONE TIME IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE PREFERABLE TO ME AND I THINK TO THE RESIDENTS THAN IT WOULD BE TO TEAR IT DOWN AND LEAVE THAT PLAYGROUND BLANK FOR THE UPCOMING SEASON HERE.
SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO GET THAT.
I WOULD APPRECIATE WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO SEE IF IT CAN BE MADE SAFE.
UH, YOU'RE PRETTY GOOD WITH WRENCHES AND YOUR GUYS ARE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GET OUT THERE AND MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN, BUT IF WE CAN, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.
UM, IT'S A WELL USED PLAYGROUND AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THE TIMING OF THE THING IS YOU'RE COMING ON BOARD AND FINDING THIS, UM, UH, PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND DISREPAIR, BUT IT'S AT A TIME WHEN IT'S MOST BADLY NEEDED BY THE RESIDENTS UP THERE.
SO I'D APPRECIATE ANYTHING YOU CAN DO THERE, SARAH.
YEAH, AND I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
IF I, I MEAN, I, I KNOW WE'RE NOT MIRACLE WORKERS, YOU KNOW, SO UNDERSTAND JUST WHAT THE SITUATION OF THAT EQUIPMENT IS.
BUT YEAH, I THINK IF THERE, IF THERE IS ANY WAY, AS MR. WEBB SAID TO, TO KEEP THAT OPEN, LET'S TRY TO FIND IT.
BUT IF IT ISN'T, I, I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT SITUATION IS EITHER.
I MEAN, THE SAFETY OF THE, OF THE KIDS ARE, ARE CERTAINLY WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
SO I GUESS, UM, IF, IF WE WERE TO, BECAUSE THERE WAS LEGISLATION PASSED THAT WAS PRETTY SPECIFIC TO DO PARK, UH, I BELIEVE DIRECTING, UH, STAFF TO, TO START THAT, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE TO, IF ANYTHING, TO, TO MOVE THAT MONEY, UM, TO, TO SCHUL TO ABLE TO REPLACE THAT EQUIPMENT UP THERE? WHAT, WHAT WILL WE, WHAT WILL WE NEED TO DO? WHAT ACTION DOES COUNCIL HAVE TO TAKE? SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN WORK UP A NEW PIECE OF LEGISLATION TO DIVERT FUNDS TO, UM, SHELL GATE.
UM, WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE THAT FOR NEXT WORK SESSION.
SO IT TIMELINE IS COMING OUT FOR MONDAY? YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S THE THING.
I MEAN, COULD COULD IT BE, COULD IT BE DONE FOR, FOR NEXT MONDAY'S MEETING? YEAH, I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD DO THAT.
AND WOULD WE ALSO HAVE THE LEGISLATION TO ORDER THE EQUIPMENT FOR MONDAY? YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT.
SO I GUESS AT THIS POINT THEN, I MEAN, UH, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER PIECE? YES, I NEED IT.
MARK, MAYBE YOUR MEMORY'S BETTER THAN MINE.
I THOUGHT WE ALREADY WERE SUPPOSED, WE APPROVED TO ORDER IT IN THE FALL.
I THOUGHT SO THAT DIDN'T GET ORDERED IN THE FALL FOR DIAL PARK.
EQUIPMENT FOR DIAL PARK WAS APPROVED, WAS ORDERED ALREADY? NO.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE APPROVED IT IN THE FALL TO ORDER IT, SO I THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY IN PROCESS OF ORDERED.
THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF LIKE, THOUGHT THIS WAS ALREADY IN PROCESS.
SO NOTHING FOR DIAL PARK HAS BEEN ORDERED AS OF AS OF YET, SO IT OKAY.
NOTHING FOR DO PARK HAS BEEN ORDERED.
UM, MERIT, THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WAS GOING TO BE ALLOCATED TO DO PARK WAS WHAT I BELIEVE IT WAS 500, 500,000.
SO THERE'S STILL ABOUT $110,000 LEFT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL DISCUSSION THEN ABOUT
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ALLOCATING.UM, IF THERE IS A BALANCE LEFT BEING OUT ABLE TO ALLOCATE THAT TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE, TOWARDS WATER MAIN, IS THAT STILL ON THE TABLE OR IS IT A, IS IT A PARK OR A WATER MAIN DISCUSSION? NO, I THINK, I MEAN IF IT'S, IF IF THE AMOUNT THAT WAS BUDGETED WAS A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, THEN UH, CERTAINLY, I MEAN WELL, SO COUNSEL WOULD HAVE AN OPTION.
I THINK YOU COULD EITHER, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT $110,000 COULD BUY AT DIAL PARK.
UM, SO YOU HAVE THAT OPTION OF DOING SOMETHING THERE.
YOU, THE ESTIMATE WAS THREE 90, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? FOR SHAW? CORRECT.
SO THAT LEAVES $110,000 OR WE COULD JUST PUT IT IN EXTENDED INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE NEW DESIGN STAGE FOR WHAT WE'RE, FOR WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
YEAH, CAN I, UH, LIKE I SAID, I COULD WALK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN, GET A CENSUS OF WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO SEE AGAIN.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTH IT.
SO IF YOU CAN DO THAT SOMETIME THIS WEEK TO, TO HAVE SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK OFF.
IF, IF, UNLESS EVERYBODY'S MOVED, I GOT A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SAY.
BUT THEY GIVE FROM THE, THERE'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO FOR THEM TO SPEAK UP AGAIN.
SO THANK YOU MAYOR MARK, RICK.
UH, IF SCOTT GETS HIS WORK DONE, DEPENDING ON WHAT HE FINDS OUT, THAT COULD BE, THAT 500 COULD BE ALLOCATED TO THE WATER MAINS, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE COULD DO A SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL PURCHASE MONDAY JUST FOR THE SHAW GATE PARK THREE 90 PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST WE DO.
YES, FRED, JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THE AMOUNT, UH, YOU SAID 3 95, 3 90 AND SOME CHANGE, BUT NINE ZERO AND THEN AFTER THE COMMA, I'M NOT SURE
UH, WOULD IT BE A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER AND YOU'D PROBABLY MAKE THAT SOMEWHERE AROUND 4 4 10, 4 20? UH, SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.
UM, IT'S HOW WE WOULD INTEND INTEND TO DRAFT THE LEGISLATION AND OF COURSE THEN WE WOULD, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE THE REPEAL OF THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION.
UH, AND I DO JUST WANT TO BRING TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION OF THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION.
UM, THAT WAS ADOPTED IN OCTOBER, UM, ON OCTOBER 23RD.
AND IF YOU RECALL, LESS THAN 30 DAYS LATER, WE WERE HIT WITH THE CYBER ATTACK, WHICH EFFECTIVELY PROHIBITED OR LIMITED US FROM BEING ABLE TO EXECUTE ANY REAL ELEMENT FROM THAT BUDGET.
AND THE NOTES FROM THAT PARTICULAR MEETING SPECIFICALLY PSYCHED THAT 300 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WAS DIRECTED TO DIAL PARK WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE 2023 BUDGET TO REPLACE THE EQUIPMENT AT TROPHY.
SO THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT THE CITY STAFF HAD IDENTIFIED THE NEEDING TO, UH, NEEDING TO ADDRESS.
SO THE, UH, REASSIGNMENT, I THINK IS PROBABLY A MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, A MORE APPROPRIATE TERM TO, TO WHERE THIS MONEY WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNATED.
SO I, I THINK COUNCIL CAN FEEL SAFE ABOUT, UH, ENTERTAINING THE LEGISLATION ON MONDAY BECAUSE THE MONEY, UH, THAT YOU'LL BE DEALING WITH ON MONDAY IS MONEY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO THAT PART.
SO I JUST WANTED MAKE SURE YOU'RE ALL AWARE.
SO I ASKED THEN, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UM, TO THAT LEGISLATION RE BASICALLY, SO BE REASSIGNING THE, UH, THE MONEY FROM UP, UP TO SHAW, AND THEN CERTAINLY WE'LL HAVE FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT SCOTT WILL GET AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION PIECE, UM, WHEN THAT LEGISLATION IS, IS UP, IS UP FOR A VOTE.
UM, BUT FROM THAT, AND THEN, AND THEN WHATEVER IS LEFT, ONCE WE HAVE THE NOT TO EXCEED MEET THAT ORDER, THEN WE CAN, UH, MAKE THE DECISION AT THAT POINT TO ALLOCATE EITHER TOWARD DIAL OR ADD THAT INTO, UH, ADD THAT INTO THE WATER, INTO THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, HAVING THAT LEGISLATION PREPARED BEFORE MONDAY.
AND I, I KNOW, UM, IF I HAVEN'T SAID IT PUBLICLY, BUT WELCOME AND THANK YOU.
AND I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, YOUR PAST AND YOUR EXPERIENCES AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BRING TO OUR PARK SYSTEM HERE.
UH, I THINK WE COULD'VE USED YOU A LONG TIME AGO, BUT WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE NOW.
OKAY, NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE B, I'M SORRY, THREE
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C, WHICH IS THE TRAFFIC SAFETY PLAN PRESENTATION, RUSS.[00:45:01]
WIL, UM, PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS REVIEW STEIN.THAT WAS DONE, UM, FOR A CITYWIDE TRAFFIC SAFETY ACTION PLAN.
UH, THE PLAN WAS PUT TOGETHER BY THE CONSULTING FIRM WITH BURG
THANK YOU, MR. UH, TONIGHT HERE WE HAVE, UH, MARIA CANTRELL, AND I'LL LET DONNELLY, UH, TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS ON THIS STUDY.
THANK YOU, RUSS, FOR INVITING US.
UM, THANK YOU MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MAYOR GORE FOR HAVING US HERE.
I'M A TRANSPORTATION AND SAFETY PLANNER AT BURGESS AND NEPO.
UM, I'VE WORKED ON A LOT OF SAFETY PLANS LIKE THIS, AND I'VE ALSO DONE SOME SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAMS IN THE REGION.
UM, CITY OF BEAVER CREEK AND FAIRFIELD TOWNSHIP.
I'M ONE OF OUR, UM, SENIOR TRAFFIC SAFETY ENGINEERS AT BURGESS AND PLE.
AND, UM, I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN PLANS LIKE THIS, UH, VISION ZERO, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
IF NOT, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
UM, AND I EVEN HAVE, UM, EXPERIENCE WORKING AT THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE, UM, THE WORK WE'VE DONE WITH YOU TODAY.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA GO THROUGH KIND OF THE STEPS OF THE PLAN THAT WE DID, UM, GIVE YOU A BRIEF PRESENTATION OF ALL THE ASPECTS AND GO OVER KIND OF THE NEXT STEPS.
SO WE HAVE HANDED OUT A COPY OF THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL AS THE FULL PLAN FOR EACH OF YOU, UH, TO REVIEW ANY TIME.
UM, BUT OVERALL, THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAN IS TO HELP IDENTIFY TRAFFIC SAFETY NEEDS.
UM, AND IN DOING SO, A PLAN LIKE THIS DOES SET YOU UP FOR BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING, UM, GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
UM, SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO KIND OF THE PURPOSE OF, OF WHY WE DID THIS TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE CERTAINLY VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT TRAFFIC SAFETY AND THE OVERALL IDEA OF VISION ZERO IS LOOKING TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS HOME SAFELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING.
AND, UM, THAT'S KIND OF LOOKING AT TRAFFIC SAFETY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AND SHIFTING FROM THE WAY WE'VE LOOKED AT THINGS HISTORICALLY OVER THE YEARS TO REALLY THINKING ABOUT, UM, ACCOUNTING FOR HUMAN MISTAKES AND HUMAN ERRORS AND HUMAN NATURE.
UM, I THINK WE ALL LIKE TO WALK THE SHORTEST DISTANCE, UM, THAT SHOULDN'T BE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH, RIGHT? UM, AND THEN IN FACTORING IN THOSE BEHAVIORS OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY USE THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, HAVING A SYSTEM THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT SOME REDUNDANCY IN HOW WE APPROACH TRAFFIC SAFETY, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING TO CONSIDER NOT EVERY SINGLE CRASH, BUT FOCUSING ON THOSE WORST CRASHES, THOSE LIFE ALTERING CRASHES, REALLY SHIFTING OUR FOCUS ON THE SYSTEM OVERALL.
SO THE SAFE SYSTEM APPROACH IS A, IS A KEY FUNDAMENTAL ELEMENT THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THESE PLANS TO SET YOU UP FOR, UM, ELIGIBILITY, FOR FUTURE FUNDING, BOTH, UM, FOR FEDERAL HIGHWAY AND SOME OF THE MONEY THAT'S TRICKLING DOWN THROUGH STATE FUNDING AS WELL IS SHIFTING IN THIS DIRECTION.
SO THAT PUTS YOU AHEAD OF THE GAME EVEN A LITTLE BIT FOR, FOR SOME OF THIS FUNDING, UM, AS COMPARED TO SOME PEER CITIES.
SO THIS SAFE SYSTEM APPROACH REALLY LOOKS AT, UM, HAVING, AGAIN, REDUNDANCY IN YOUR SYSTEM.
SO WE WANNA HAVE PEOPLE BEHAVE SAFE ON OUR STREETS, WE WANNA HAVE SAFE SPEEDS, WHETHER IT'S THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT THEN ALSO HOW PEOPLE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY DO FOLLOW THAT SPEED LIMIT, LOOKING TO HAVE SAFE ROADS THE WAY WE DESIGN OUR STREETS, CAN ENCOURAGE THOSE SAFE OUTCOMES.
UM, AGAIN, ALL THESE THINGS LAYERED ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER HELP CONTRIBUTE TO THE REDUCTION OF THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CRASH OCCURRING.
AND THEN IF IT DOES HAPPEN, UM, LESS SEVERE OUTCOMES.
AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING YOUR FINE FIRST RESPONDERS HERE ARE ALSO A PIECE OF THAT REDUNDANCY IN THAT, UM, SAFE SYSTEM APPROACH.
SO HEBREW HEIGHTS, WE LOOKED AT YOUR CRASHES FROM 2018 TO 2022.
THAT'S THE MOST RE RECENT FULL CRASH YEARS THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE TO US AT THE TIME OF THIS STUDY.
WE SAW A TOTAL OF ABOUT 3,500 CRASHES, BUT AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO PREVENT THOSE WORST CRASHES.
THE WORST, ABOUT 88 FATAL AND SERIOUS INJURY CRASHES THAT HAPPENED, UH, WITHIN HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO LOOKING A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THAT DATA, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SAW A DIP OF THE AMOUNT OF OVERALL CRASHES OCCURRING A LITTLE BIT AROUND COVID.
I THINK THOSE TRENDS MIRROR NOT ONLY STATEWIDE, BUT NATIONAL TRENDS.
HOWEVER, WE DID SEE A BIT OF AN INCREASE, UM, IN THE MORE SEVERE CRASHES HAPPENING.
AND I MAYBE THIS WOULD HAVE SEEMED COUNTERINTUITIVE EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT WITH REDUCED TRAFFIC, THE ROADS WERE MORE OPEN AND SPEEDS INCREASED.
AND SO SPEEDS DO OFTEN RESULT IN MORE SEVERE CRASH OUTCOMES.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT ALL CRASHES.
EVERY ONE OF THESE LITTLE DOTS IS ONE OF THOSE 3,500 CRASHES.
UM, YOUR EYES MAY NATURALLY CONNECT THE DOTS AND YOU CAN SEE SOME CORRIDORS THAT STAND OUT.
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UM, AND I DID WANT TO ADD THAT FOR THIS PLAN, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT, UM, I 70 THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO I 70 WITH PART OF UP CITY PLAN.SO KEEPING THAT OUT OF THAT, ALL THESE STATISTICS.
UM, SO THEN AGAIN, FOCUSING ON THOSE WORST CRASHES, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED TO FIND SOME HOTSPOT LOCATIONS.
UM, THERE ARE THESE INTERSECTIONS, UM, THEY'RE IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN, UM, YOU KNOW, CORE INTERSECTIONS ALONG RAMP PIKE, TROY PIKE, UM, AND CERTAINLY THE CORRIDORS THAT YOU SAW WHERE YOU CONNECTED THE DOTS.
UM, SO THESE ARE WHERE WE ARE REALLY SEEING THOSE, THOSE CRASHES STAND OUT.
WHAT IS THE THRESHOLD OF SERIOUS INJURY FRACTURE? IT'S, IT'S WHAT IS WRITTEN ON A POLICE REPORT.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S FIVE LEVELS OF CRASH SEVERITY ON A POLICE REPORT.
AND SO IF IT WAS LISTED AS SEVERE BY THAT POLICE OFFICER, THAT THAT WAS THE THRESHOLD.
BUT YOU CAN THINK OF SEVERE AS LIKE A LIFE ALTERING INJURY, SOMETHING THAT LIKE IS A VERY SERIOUS INJURY THAT'S THE ONE MIGHT HAVE BEEN HOSPITALIZED FOR.
UM, IN ADDITION TO CRASH DATA, WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US IN OHIO, ACCESS TO STREETLIGHT DATA.
THIS IS REAL TIME SPEED DATA, UM, UH, SOURCED TO US TO, TO SHOW WHAT, WHAT SPEEDS PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY DRIVING.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE POSTED SPEED LIMITS.
AND WE DID FIND THAT MOST OF THE STREETS IN HUBER HEIGHTS ARE POSTED, UM, AT 25 MILES AN HOUR AND 35 MILES AN HOUR, WHICH IS TYPICALLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UM, HOW STATE CODE SETS UP MINIMUM SPEED LIMITS.
UM, BUT THESE STREETS THAT ARE TYPICALLY 35 MILES AN HOUR, WE ARE SEEING THE DRIVING BEHAVIORS ARE MORE LIKE 45 MILES AN HOUR.
UM, AND NOT, WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE, DOES THIS SURPRISE ANYBODY? PROBABLY NOT.
SO AGAIN, THOSE FASTER MOVING CORRIDORS ARE THE ONES WHERE WE ARE SEEING MORE OF THESE WORSE CRASHES OCCURRING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT DATA BEFORE WE MOVE TO ENGAGEMENT? OKAY.
SO WE DID SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FOR THIS PLAN, UM, AUGUST THROUGH SEPTEMBER.
MAYBE SOME OF YOU HAVE TAKEN THE, HAD TAKEN THE PUBLIC SURVEY AT THE TIME, BUT WE HAD 950 RESPONDENTS, WHICH WE WERE REALLY IMPRESSED BY.
WE HAVE NEVER REALLY GOTTEN A RESPONSE THAT, THAT, WELL ON A, ON A SURVEY FOR A CITY LIKE THIS, UM, OR LIKE EVEN ENTIRE STATES, WE DO SERVICES.
DID YOU SEE FACEBOOK DURING THAT TIMEFRAME
SOME OF THEM ARE ABOUT CONSTRUCTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT A LOT OF IT'S ACTUAL LIKE THINGS THAT ARE ABOUT THE SYSTEM.
UM, SO YEAH, WE ARE REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IN THAT.
UM, THE, THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN THAT PEOPLE HAD WHEN WE ASKED THEM WHERE IS THEIR LOCATION OF CONCERN THAT THEY HAVE, AND THEY WERE ALLOWED TO ANSWER THIS MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT, UM, UNSAFE SPEEDS WAS THE TOP ANSWER.
AND UM, YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE RED DOTS THAT WELL, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF SCATTERED ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO THERE ISN'T A CONSISTENT PLACE WHERE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT FEEL THERE'S PEOPLE DRIVING UNSAFE SPEEDS.
UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST EVERYWHERE.
AND, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE ANSWERED OTHER WHICH, UM, WHEN READING THROUGH ALL THE RESPONSES, A LOT OF HAD HAD TO DO WITH TRAFFIC, UM, UNCLEARED INTERSECTIONS, SIGNAL TIMINGS IN GENERAL.
UM, AND THEN YEAH, JUST KIND OF SPEEDING, BUT ALSO IN COMBINATION WITH SOME OTHER FACTORS.
AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE WHERE THE, THE FACEBOOK COMMENTS COME INTO PLAY WITH THE ROAD CONDITIONS WHERE THERE WAS, UM, THAT CONSTRUCTION ON OLD TROY PIKE.
SO WHAT IS, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON MM-HMM,
BUT IT WOULD CON, IT WOULD COUNT THOSE MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS WHERE THERE ISN'T A SIGNAL OR A STOP SIGN OR A CROSSWALK ALREADY.
THAT WOULD BE, PEOPLE COULD ANSWER UNSAFE CROSSING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT ALSO, UM, THOSE SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS AND OTHER CROSSWALKS AS WELL.
AND WE ASKED PEOPLE WHAT THEY FELT WAS THE MOST PROMISING INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC SAFETY.
PEOPLE COULD, UM, ANSWER MULTIPLE RESPONSES ON THIS.
NUMBER ONE WAS ENFORCEMENT, WHICH, UM, SURPRISED US A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, WHEN LATER MAKING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WAS OTHER INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, WE KIND OF SAW THAT WITH THE MAP COMMENTS, UM, AND PROVING SIGNAL TIMINGS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN INTERSECTIONS.
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AND WE HAD A STAKEHOLDER WORKSHOP AS PART OF THIS PLAN.UM, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE TODAY THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE STAKEHOLDER WORKSHOP, UM, POLICE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, ALSO HAD THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS.
UM, WE ALSO HAD MEMBER OF THE MIAMI REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION AND ODOT DISTRICT SEVEN.
AND THAT GROUP, UM, REVIEWED THAT DATA THAT WE JUST SHOWED YOU, UM, A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH AND DISCUSSED POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS AT THAT MEETING.
UM, WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE IN THE REGION FROM THE REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN HUBER HEIGHTS AND WHAT HAS WORKED, WHAT HASN'T WORKED.
UM, AND WE DEVELOPED A VISION AND GOALS WITH THAT GROUP, WHICH IS PART OF THE CRITERIA FOR A FEDERALLY APPROVED PLAN.
AND WE CHOSE EMPHASIS AREAS, WHICH I WILL GET INTO NEXT.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PUBLIC AND STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT? ALRIGHT, UM, SO EMPHASIS AREAS ARE A KEY PART OF THESE SAFETY PLANS.
UM, IT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU DIRECT ALL OF YOUR INVESTMENTS WHERE THERE'S THE GREATEST NEED.
SO IT'S BASED ON THE CRASH TYPE.
UM, THE CRASH TYPES ARE CODED IN THE, IN THE CRASH DATA.
UM, AND IT KIND OF BREAKS 'EM DOWN BY CRASH TYPE.
AND IT JUST IS A TOOL TO HELP DIRECT RESOURCES WHERE THERE'S GOING, GOING TO BE THE GREATEST IMPACT IN IMPROVING THOSE FATAL SERIOUS INJURY CRASHES.
SO OUR STAKEHOLDER GROUP CHOSE, UM, INTERSECTION SPEED AND ROADWAY DEPARTURE.
AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE WHY INTERSECTIONS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES THAT WE CHOSE.
UM, JUST IT HAD THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF FATAL AND SERIOUS INJURY CRASHES IN THE SYSTEM.
AND, UM, A LARGER THAN STATEWIDE AVERAGE PERCENTAGE OF CRASHES OCCURRED AT AN INTERSECTION IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO 48% OF CRASHES JUST ALL CRASHES, NOT JUST FATAL.
SERIOUS INJURY OCCURRED AT AN INTERSECTION IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
THE STATEWIDE AVERAGE IS JUST OVER 36%.
SO THERE WAS A DECENT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS.
UM, AND THEN ROADWAY DEPARTURE WE CHOSE IS THE SECOND LARGEST CATEGORY, AND WE KIND OF CONNECTED THAT WITH SPEED WE DID, AND ROADWAY DEPARTURE BEING RUN OFF THE ROAD CRASHES, UM, WHICH CAN BE RUN OFF THE ROAD TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE LEFT AND EVEN HEAD ON CRASHES, JUST SO WE'RE NOT TALKING TOO MUCH.
YEAH, I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN I FIRST STARTED EITHER.
IT WAS VERY, IT, IT, IT MAKES SENSE ONCE YOU LEARN IT.
BUT
SO WE CONNECTED THAT WITH SPEED, WHICH HAD THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF FATAL CRASHES, UM, OUT OF THE BUNCH.
AND WE CHOSE THOSE ALSO JUST BASED ON WHO OUR STAKEHOLDER GROUP WAS AND WHAT HUBER HEIGHTS HIS ABILITY IS TO AFFECT CHANGE.
UM, YOUNGER DRIVER WAS ALSO UP THERE, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE MEMBER OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEM ON OUR STAKEHOLDER TEAM, SO WE CHOSE TO FOCUS ON THOSE OTHER EMPHASIS AREAS.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BEFORE I MOVE ON? ALL RIGHT.
MARIA'S GONNA TALK MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT, UM, THE NEXT STEPS FOR THOSE AND KIND OF SOME KIND OF MEASURES THAT WE CAME UP WITH, UM, FOR THOSE EMPHASIS AREAS.
SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED OUR PROBLEM AREAS, OUR EMPHASIS AND HOW, WHERE WE'RE GONNA FOCUS OUR EMPHASIS.
SO NOW WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT IT? SO WE PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF PROVEN SAFETY COUNTERMEASURES FOR THE VARIOUS TYPES OF THOSE EMPHASIS AREAS.
AND, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THOSE CAN BE AS OPTIONS.
UM, FOR INTERSECTIONS, THINGS LIKE ADVANCED WARNING SIGNS AT LOCATIONS THAT ARE SIGNAL ARE UNSIGNED, UM, REFLECTIVE BACK PLATES ON SIGNALS.
UM, IN SOME CASES YOU'VE ALREADY UPGRADED.
UM, SOME, SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS, UM, THAT WERE ALREADY ON OUR HOT SPOT LOCATION.
SO WE DID NOTE THAT AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT, UM, THE BEFORE AND AFTER CRASH DATA TO SEE IF THAT SIGNAL IMPROVEMENT HAS PROVIDED A SAFETY BENEFIT OR IF MAYBE THERE'S SOME SIGNAL TIMING ADJUSTMENTS THAT CAN STILL, UM, BE IMPLEMENTED AT THOSE NEWER SIGNAL LOCATIONS.
BUT A LOT OF THEM DO ALREADY HAVE THOSE BACK PLATES, BUT SOME COULD STILL BENEFIT FROM ADDING THOSE, UM, THINGS LIKE ROUNDABOUTS.
UM, WE KNOW THAT ROUNDABOUTS REALLY REDUCE, UM, THE WORST CRASHES, THOSE HIGH ANGLE CRASHES.
UM, AND THEY ALSO HELP, UM, MITIGATE HIGH SPEEDS.
UH, AT INTERSECTIONS YOU CAN'T REALLY RUN A RED LIGHT OR RUN THE LIGHT AT THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO IT DOES ADD ALSO, UM, A SPEED CALMING SAFETY BENEFIT.
WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE SPEED COUNTERMEASURES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DID SEE THAT THE COMMUNITY LOOKED, TALKED ABOUT SPEED ENFORCEMENT, BUT WITH OUR STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE AND, UM, INPUT FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
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THE POLICE ENFORCEMENT IDEA CAN BE MORE ABOUT POLICE VISIBILITY AND COMMUNICATION AND ENGAGEMENT AND TOUCH POINTS OR JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVING AN OFFICER PRESENT AND AVAILABLE CAN HELP ENCOURAGE, UM, PEOPLE TO WANT TO SLOW DOWN.SO IT'S NOT PURELY ABOUT HANDING OUT TICKETS.
UM, WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT CHANGING THE DESIGN OF SOME STREETS TO HELP ENCOURAGE SAFE SPEEDS.
UM, THINGS LIKE ROAD DIETS, UM, DO, CAN BE CONSIDERED TO REALLOCATE SPACE AND DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO MEAN, UM, ADDING CONGESTION.
UM, WE CAN STUDY CORRIDORS FOR THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SPEED FEEDBACK SIGNS, THEY CAN COME IN PERMANENT OR ON TRAILER, UM, OPTIONS WHERE IT'S JUST A REMINDER TO FOLKS, OH, LIKE I DIDN'T REALIZE I WAS SPEEDING.
SO, SO THOSE ARE SOME LOW COST, UM, OPPORTUNITIES.
AND AS I MENTIONED, UM, STREETLIGHT IS A, A SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN PAID FOR, FOR THE WHOLE STATE BY ODOT AND YOU CAN CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THAT TO SEE IF, UM, IMPROVEMENTS ARE, UM, MADE IF, IF THEY'RE PROVIDING THE SPEED REDUCTION BENEFIT DESIRED.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
ON THE, ON THE SPEED FEEDBACK SIGNS, THOSE DON'T RECORD DATA.
SO THEY CAN, I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH ONES YOU USE, BUT THE PERMANENT ONES CAN THE PERMANENT ONES, YEAH.
LIKE THERE'S A FIXED PERMANENTLY TO A UTILITY POLE.
THEY, THERE IS THE SOFTWARE AVAILABLE WHERE THEY CAN OKAY.
SO IT JUST DEPENDS IF YOU SET IT UP TO DO IT THAT WAY OR NOT.
YEAH, I THINK SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE LOOK AT THOSE AND SAY, OH, WELL, BECAUSE THEY DON'T RECORD DATA AND, AND THEY WOULDN'T GIVE YOU A, A CITATION.
SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T REALIZE THEY'RE SPEEDING.
SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR SPEEDING PROBLEM HERE, THEY DON'T CARE.
SO I THINK ODOT HAS STUDIED THIS ISSUE AND IT IS VERY BENEFICIAL IN THE FIRST FEW MONTHS OF PUTTING IT IN THERE.
AND THEN A LOT OF TIMES SPEEDS RESUME AS PEOPLE GET USED TO THE SPEED FEEDBACK SIGN THERE.
THEY DON'T SEE THAT THEY'RE COMING OVER ANY CONSEQUENCES FOR SPEEDING IN THAT AREA.
UM, BUT YOU COULD PAIR THAT WITH MAYBE POLICE VISIBILITY IN THAT SPOT.
SO THEN, OH, THERE'S A SPEED FEEDBACK SIGN AND POLICE OFTEN HANG OUT IN THIS AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT EVEN FOR THE ONES THAT RECORD THE SPEED, IF IF IT'S NOT IN ENFORCED, WHAT GOOD IS IT? WELL THEN THERE'S OTHER TOOLS WE CAN LOOK AT TO, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY LOOK AT SOME STREET DESIGN TO ENCOURAGE THE DESIRED SPEED OUTCOMES AS WELL.
THAT ON THE BOTTOM ONE ON THE ROAD DIET, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'VE SEEN THAT OVER IN, UM, KETTERING AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD HELP WITH THOSE JAY WALKERS OR WHATEVER.
OR WHEN YOU HAVE A WIDE INTERSECTION, PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE IT OVER FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER AND THAT THE LIGHT IS GREEN.
I WANTED TO GO, I WANTED TO TIE INTO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SORT OF AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WITH THE CROSS-CUTTING COUNTERMEASURES, UM, MEDIANS AND REFUGE ISLANDS, UM, CAN BE UTILIZED WITH SOME LIKE ROAD DIETS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN COMBINE THESE THINGS.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY MEDIANS AND REFUGE ISLANDS, UM, CAN IT, LIKE YOU SAID, HELP, UM, PROVIDE REFUGE FOR PEDESTRIANS WHERE THEY'RE CROSSING.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T PUT A STOPLIGHT AT EVERY PLACE.
UM, BUT LOOKING AT A CORRIDOR AS A WHOLE, CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF A REDESIGN IS AVAILABLE OR, AND THERE IS EVEN OPTIONS TO DO TEMPORARY MEDIAN REFUGE ISLANDS, YOU CAN TRY 'EM IN PLACES AND SEE, UM, IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL, IF THEY PROVIDE A SAFETY BENEFIT, IF THEY, THEY WORK, MAYBE YOU MAKE THEM PERMANENT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE 'EM, YOU TAKE 'EM OUT.
I MEAN, THESE ARE JUST US TRYING TO GIVE YOU EXAMPLES OF OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
AND JUST, WE'LL GO BACK ONE, UM, I ALSO WANTED, YOU KNOW, FOR ROADWAY COUNTER DEPARTURE RUN OFF THE ROAD COUNTERMEASURES, UM, YOU KNOW, SPEED HELPING MANAGE SPEED HELPS WITH THAT.
BUT ALSO THERE ARE THINGS LIKE, UH, RUMBLE STRIPS IN ALIGNMENT WITH, UM, PAVEMENT MARKINGS.
YOU WOULDN'T WANNA DO THIS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA GETS NOISY, BUT IN YOUR MORE RURAL PARTS OF TOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PROVEN SAFETY COUNTERMEASURE GETS PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, FATTER EDGE LINES AND PAVEMENT MARKINGS IS ALSO AN OPTION.
UM, AND EVEN SOME OF THE, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE PLACES WE FOUND WHERE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT ADDING SOME OF THE, THE CURVE SIGNAGE.
AND THEN, UM, MOVING ALONG AGAIN TO THE CROSS-CUTTING COUNTERMEASURES.
YOU CAN DO ROAD SAFETY AUDITS, LOOK AT A WHOLE CORRIDOR, UM, TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE TOOLS AND, AND MORE OF THESE COUNTERMEASURES TO UTILIZE ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO GET THOSE DESIRED SPEEDS TO HELP WITH THESE, UM, OUTCOMES.
UM, STREET LIGHTING, AGAIN, MEDIANS, ACCESS MANAGEMENT ARE ALL POTENTIAL OPTIONS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO IN INFRASTRUCTURE, I MEAN, BEYOND THAT WE, WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE EDUCATION
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AND OUTREACH OPPORTUNITIES.UM, YOU KNOW, WE DISTRACTED DRIVING IS SUCH A PROBLEM.
WE WORK ON CAMPAIGNS SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, VARIABLE MESS MESSAGE SHINES CAN BE HELPFUL.
WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THE, UM, MORE COMICAL ONES THAT YOU'VE SEEN ON THE FREEWAYS THAT ODOT HAS DONE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TRY THINGS LIKE THAT ON, ON TEMPORARY SIGNS HERE TOO.
UM, YOU KNOW, CAMPAIGNS THROUGH SCHOOLS AND LIBRARIES AND COMMUNITY CENTERS AND THE YMCA ARE OPTIONS AND THERE ARE A LOT OF FREE RESOURCES AVAILABLE.
UM, WHETHER WE ARE LOOKING TO PARTNER WITH ODOT AND SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL.
UM, THERE IS A WEBSITE CALLED IMPACT TEAM DRIVER THAT HAS AMAZING EDUCATIONAL EX UH, MATERIALS AND VIDEOS.
UM, AND, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY HAS THE SAFE COMMUNITIES PROGRAM, UM, MANAGED THROUGH INDIVIDUAL COUNTIES.
SO THERE ARE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS BESIDES JUST, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SORT OF THAT SAFE SYSTEMS APPROACH LOOKING TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE SAFE USERS WITH SOME OF THESE TOOLS.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FOCUS AREAS, THE INTERSECTIONS AND CORRIDORS WE'VE MENTIONED.
UM, WE IDENTIFY THOSE IN THE PLAN AND THEN HAVE SOME IDEAS OF HOW WE CAN, UM, PURSUE SOME NEXT STEPS FOR THESE LOCATIONS.
UM, SO HERE'S LIKE A SNAPSHOT OF THE ACTION PLAN, UM, AND WITHOUT READING TOO MUCH OF IT, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, ELLA, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE BRAND PIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THE FULL ACTION PLAN IS IN THE PLAN.
WE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WANNA PRESENT THAT ENTIRE THING TO YOU.
UM, SO WE JUST KIND OF CHOSE AN EXAMPLE FROM IT, UM, FOR LIKE BRANT PIKE AND, AND SHOLL ROAD IN THAT AREA BETWEEN LIKE SHOLL ROAD AND STONE HURST DRIVE, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF REAR END CRASHES THERE.
UM, SO JUST ONE OF THOSE NEXT STEPS THAT WE IDENTIFIED COULD BE JUST EVALUATING THOSE SIGNAL TIMINGS.
UM, AND THEN IN GENERAL, UPGRADING THE SIGNALS WITH THE SIGNAL BACK PLATES THAT ARE, UM, ODOS KIND OF NEW STANDARD, UM, THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO REPLACE A LOT OF SIGNALS WITH.
UM, AND STUDYING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ALSO JUST ADVANCED SIGNING, SEEING, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET ON I 70 THERE, IS THERE ENOUGH SIGNS DIRECTING THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
UM, AND, AND ODOT HAD ALREADY IDENTIFIED THIS CORRIDOR AS PART OF ITS HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
UM, SO ODOT IS ALREADY KIND OF MONITORING THIS AREA.
UM, SO THAT KIND OF LEADS TO SOME ODOT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, AND, AND YEAH, WE'LL GET INTO THAT BEFORE YOU MOVE ON.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT A NON-MOTORIZED CRASH IS? IT'S JUST, UM, A PEDESTRIAN OR A BICYCLIST, SOMEONE THAT'S NOT DRIVING IN A VEHICLE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I SAW THAT ON THE BREAKDOWN, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
IS THAT AND, AND WHAT ARE INADEQUATE FACILITIES? INADEQUATE FACILITY MEANS MAYBE THERE'S NOT A SIDEWALK THERE.
MAYBE, UM, THE CROSSWALK ISN'T MARKED PROPERLY.
UM, OR WE COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO SOME, UM, UPGRADED MARKINGS.
SO I KNOW FUNDING IS SOMETHING WE ALL WANT TO KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS PLAN IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUNDING.
UM, AND WE'RE AT A REALLY EXCITING TIME WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
UM, CERTAINLY PROVIDING A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES, UM, FOR SOME OF THIS FUNDING AND THE SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL GRANT.
UM, PARTICULARLY THAT PLANNING AND DEMONSTRATION GRANT, THAT DEMONSTRATION, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY AVAILABLE.
IT'S DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S BEEN, BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN, UM, WHERE YOU CAN TRY OUT SOME, SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT TOOLS, UM, AND SEE IF YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT, UM, OR EVALUATE DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE HAVE LOTS OF IDEAS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD COME FROM THAT.
UM, THE O HI ODOS HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, HAVING THIS PLAN SHOWS THAT YOU'VE MADE A, UM, THOROUGH EVALUATION AND HAVE CONSIDERED THAT SAFE SYSTEMS APPROACH TO SET YOU UP FOR, UH, BETTER CHANCES OF BEING AWARDED THOSE FUNDS.
AND, YOU KNOW, ODOT WAS WITH US AS WE, AS ONE OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS TO DEVELOP THIS PLAN.
UM, THERE ARE GRANTS THROUGH THE NATIONAL SAFETY COUNCIL AND UM, THROUGH NITSA AS WELL.
UM, SO FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE FOR BOTH INFRASTRUCTURE AND NON INFRASTRUCTURE.
WHO WOULD WE GO TO TO SEEK THAT FUNDING? WOULD THAT BE YOUR FIRM? IT DEPENDS ON WHICH FUNDING IT IS.
I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY HELP IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT PROJECT COULD BE AND, AND WORK WITH RUSS ON THAT, UM, TO SEE WHAT, UM, NEXT STEPS THERE COULD BE.
I MEAN, WHICH FUNDING FOR WHICH LOCATION IS IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN, UM, WHERE WE COULD TRY TO PURSUE AND APPLY.
SO YOU COULD HELP US MOVING FORWARD.
THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE FEE FOR THE STUDY AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE, HOW ARE YOU STILL AVAILABLE TO WORK WITH OUR STAFF KIND
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OF THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THIS PROCESS? I MEAN, THIS STUDY IS ESSENTIALLY COMPLETE, BUT WE, WE'LL, WE'LL HELP YOU OUT.WE'LL FIGURE OUT, LIKE THESE ARE NOT OVERLY BURDENSOME APPLICATIONS IN, IN EVERY CASE, SO, OKAY.
I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE, I MEAN, IT WOULD JUST BE A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, RUSS, BRIAN, RICK, KIND OF ALL GET AROUND THE TABLE WITH AARON, KIND OF OUR PLANNER AND FOCUS ON WHAT SOME OF THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, HIGH INCIDENT AREAS WERE, FIND OUT WHAT SOME SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, WE PAID FOR THE STUDY, WE'VE GOT THIS.
IF THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE, I DON'T WANT TO SIT AROUND FOR A YEAR GOING, WELL, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD WANNA SEE IS SOME PRETTY SPECIFIC AREAS, PRETTY SPECIFIC ACTION PLAN FOR THAT AREA.
AND THEN FIND OUT WHERE THAT FUNDING IS AT AND THEN, AND THEN GO AFTER IT AND THEN HAVE THOSE, OR HAVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS COME BACK TO COUNCIL SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO AFTER AND WHAT GRANTS WE WANNA APPROVE GOING AFTER WHAT THOSE MATCHING FUNDS MIGHT BE OR WHATEVER.
BUT I THINK WE'VE REACHED A POINT WHERE WE'VE GOT THE FINAL PRODUCT NOW WE NEED TO, TO FOCUS AND SPEND THE TIME ON WHERE CAN WE GET THE FUNDING, WHAT'S THE SPECIFIC ACTION PLAN AND WHAT THE MOST HIGH INCIDENT AREAS ARE, WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE? AND THEN JUST, AND THEN GO FOR IT.
HOW LONG IS IT TAKING TO GET SOME OF THESE FUNDING? LIKE IF YOU GET APPROVED FOR THE O ODOT HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, HOW LONG UNTIL PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING IT? 'CAUSE PART OF FIRST TIER, WE TALKED LAST WEEK, THERE WAS SOME CITIES OF FIRST TIER THAT SAID THEY GOT APPROVED FOR SOME OF THAT FUNDING AND IT'S LIKE THREE YEARS LATER AND THEY HAVEN'T ACTUALLY GOTTEN THE MONEY YET, BUT IT GOT APPROVED.
SO HOW LONG IS THE PROCESS TO ACTUALLY, OKAY, YOU GOT APPROVED FOR THE PROJECT, BUT THE MONEY'S NOT COMING FIRST, FIXING A FRIEND BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE OA MONEY.
AND THEN, UM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CONTRACTING IT BACK AND FORTH.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN YEAR, IT'S NOT LIKE THREE YEARS.
UM, RUS THOSE GO THROUGH, UH, M-V-R-P-C, DON'T THEY? NOT THOSE, NOT THE SAFE.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, DOES THAT GO THROUGH ODO FOR THAT TAKES TIME NOT THE SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL? NO, THAT'S, UM, ODO T'S NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO BE AWARDED THAT MONEY.
SO IT'S JUST BETWEEN THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
UM, AND THAT APPLICATION IS, IN TERMS OF APPLICATIONS, A PRETTY EASY ONE TO DO THAT ONE IS FOR THE PLANNING AND DEMONSTRATION.
THE IMPLEMENTATION GRANT IS EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE, UM, AND IS A, A BIG LIFT.
BUT THE DEMONSTRATION ONES HAVE BEEN VERY EASY.
AND SO BY DEMONSTRATION, I MEAN IF YOU WANTED TO TRY, UM, TO PUT IN SOME OF THOSE PLASTIC TEMPORARY MEDIAN SCENARIOS, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE A PEDESTRIAN REFUGE ISLAND AT THE TRAIL CROSSING NEAR THE HIGH SCHOOL ACROSS, UM, CHAMBER CHAMBERSBURG.
LIKE IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANNA TRY ON AND PUT THEM AT STRATEGIC LOCATIONS? I MEAN, SO IT'S THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, AND THAT'S FUNDED AT 80% IN THE MATCHES, 20% FOR THOSE THOSE FUNDS.
I THINK ONE THING'S FOR CERTAIN IS THE SOONER WE APPLY, THE SOONER THE MONEY COMES, THE, THE APPLICATION FOR THIS ROUND IS DUE IN APRIL.
SO IF YOU WANNA GO RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW
NO, NOT FOR, DEPENDS ON WHICH.
FOR DEMONSTRATION IT'S SPRING.
THERE'S THREE POTENTIAL DATES YOU CAN SUBMIT FOR SPRING.
FURTHER ONTO THE THAT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT APPLY FOR THIS GET APPROVED, THAT THE MONEY MIGHT BE FURTHER OUT.
SO WE MIGHT WANNA KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR, YOU KNOW, HOW IMMEDIATE ARE WE WANTING FUNDS BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE AS TO WHAT WE APPLY FOR.
UM, BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF TAKEN BACK WHEN I WAS HEARING CITY SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GOT APPROVED, WE GOT THE LETTER OF APPROVAL AND IT WAS OVER THREE YEARS AGO AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE FIRST DIME YET.
HOW DO YOU PLAN AROUND SOME OF THAT? UM, THE OTHER THING IS THIS IS KIND OF GEARED TOWARD CHIEF LIGHTNER.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE I NOTICED ESPECIALLY ON BRAND, IS THERE WAYS THAT WE CAN PUT UP, LIKE MAYBE NO LEFT TURNS, LIKE WHEN YOU COME OUT LADEN ONTO BRANT, MAKING A LEFT HAND TURN THERE DURING RUSH HOUR TIMES IS LIKE NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE.
AND I HAVE SEEN SO MANY SITUATIONS THAT I AM JUST LIKE CRINGING AT PEOPLE TRYING TO DODGE CARS.
CAN WE PUT SOME NO LEFT TURNS DURING CERTAIN TIMES? AND SOME OF THOSE SIDE ROADS THAT GO ONTO TROY AND BRANT, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE FOR ENGINEERING.
IS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? WELL, IS THERE LIKE HIGH
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ACCIDENTS AT SOME OF THOSE DURING TIMES OR, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE DATA TO SUPPORT PUTTING THAT MR. HARD THAT, BECAUSE WE DO OUR REPORTS EVERY YEAR, OUR TRAFFIC ACCIDENT REPORTS EVERY YEAR, SUMMER IN, AND MOST ACCIDENT ATIVE FACTORS ARE SURE.DISTANCE AHEAD WHERE PEOPLE RUNNING INTO THE BACK OF EACH OTHER.
THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF OUR CRASHES.
AND THEN AS THEY INDICATED, THAT INTERSECTIONS TO WHERE PEOPLE, ANYTIME YOU HAVE PEOPLE STARTING AND STOPPING FROM A POINT, IT INCREASE, I THINK IT INCREASES THE RISK OF, OF AN ACCIDENT.
BECAUSE I JUST SIT HERE AND I LOOK AT LADEN AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, JUST GO TWO MORE STREETS UP AND YOU CAN HIT A TRAFFIC LIGHT TO MAKE YOUR LEFT HAND TURN.
YOU KNOW, JUST THINGS ALONG THAT LINE THAT I DON'T KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T DO.
UM, UM, MY TEXT PHONE A FRIEND, UM, THE HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT DOLLARS, SHE SAID THEY'RE OTS FLUSH WITH CASH RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN, THERE IS THAT, BUT USUALLY IT TAKES TWO TO THREE YEARS OUT IN TIME FOR CONSTRUCTION TO GET THE FUNDING.
SO IN TIME FOR CONSTRUCTION, IF YOU'VE GOTTA DESIGN SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE STUDIED IT, YOU WANNA PURSUE IT, UM, WE CAN GET YOU MORE DETAILS ON SOME OF THE, THAT TIMELINE IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND I DO KNOW O DOT'S GONNA BE AT OUR FIRST CHEER MEETING THE LAST WEDNESDAY OF MARCH.
THEY'RE COMING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THIS STUFF.
SO ANYBODY WANTS TO GO, THEY MIGHT EVEN BE BETTER AT ANSWERING FOR THEIR PROGRAM.
SO, SO THAT'S GONNA BE AT HARRISON TOWNSHIP ON THE 27TH.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
IN ANY OF THIS, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND LOWERING THE SPEED? THE STATE MINIMUM SPEED LIMITS ARE NOT EASILY CHANGED.
THEY ARE ON STATE HIGHWAYS, BUT LIKE TAYLORSVILLE ON EVERY STREET IN OHIO.
SO, UH, RESIDENTIAL STREETS, THE STATE MINIMUM SPEED BY STATE CODE IS 25 MILES AN HOUR FOR THROUGH STREETS, TYPICALLY 35 MILES AN HOUR.
UM, IT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET AROUND THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT.
UM, BUT MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IT'S TAKE THAT THERE'S A STUDY YOU CAN DO, WHICH TYPICALLY DOES NOT GET YOU THE DESIRED OUTCOME.
IT'S NOT SET UP WELL FOR THAT.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO ODOT AND WORKING WITH THEM TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THAT, BUT IT'S HARD TO DO.
SO ONE OF MY RESIDENTS SAID, HEY, I WANT YOU TO LOWER THE SPEED FROM RAMP PIKE FROM CHAMBERSBURG, JUST SHAW ROAD, LOWER IT DOWN TO 25.
THAT WAS, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.
AND I WAS, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, I'D HAVE TO ASK THIS STATE HIGHWAY, SO THANK YOU.
WE ALWAYS SAY DESIGN NOT SIGN.
SO YOU, YOU CAN CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT THE ROADS BEHAVIOR NEEDS TO CHANGE AND YEAH.
THE PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA, IF THERE'S SPEED LIMITS, ALL OF A SUDDEN 25 PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA GO 25 PROBABLY
SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THOSE OUTCOMES FOR LEGALLY CHANGING A SPEED LIMIT.
UM, IN THE INTRODUCTION TO THE STUDY, IT SAYS, THE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS ARE AN ESSENTIAL RESOURCE.
THEY ENABLE PEOPLE TO FREELY TO TRAVEL FREELY TO THEIR DESTINATION AND BACK HOME.
UM, AND IT SAYS, OKAY, SO MY, MY CONCERN WITH, WITH THIS STUDY, AND IT'S A VERY THOROUGH ONE, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DID, EXCEPT THAT THERE'S REALLY NO DISCUSSION ON THE SAFE STREETS.
ON THE SAFE STREETS FOR SCHOOLS.
THE, THE SIDEWALKS, WHAT THE LACK OF SIDEWALKS OR THE CONNECTIVITY ON THOSE, WHAT KIND OF A RISK, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FACING HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, WHICH LENDS TO ELIMINATING PEDESTRIAN HITS OR JUST MAKES IT SAFER.
YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED WIDER SIDEWALKS? DO WE NEED CONTINUITY? DO WE NEED, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO KEEP OUR KIDS SAFE, OUR PEOPLE SAFE, UM, AS THEY'RE TRAVELING ACROSS OUR STREETS? OR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT CONCERN TO HAVE.
UM, WE DID LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THOSE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLIST CRASHES.
THERE JUST, THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER CRASH TYPES, SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T FOCUS ON IT.
BUT, UM, SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, OAP FULLY FUNDS SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAMS. SO IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN DOING A SCHOOL TRAVEL PLAN, ODOT WILL FUND THAT PLAN.
UM, SO YOU CAN LOOK MORE IN DEPTH AT WHERE THOSE SCHOOLS ARE.
AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE SCHOOLS ARE ON THOSE MAIN ROADS.
UM, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT IMPROVING THOSE, UM, SPECIFIC AREAS AROUND THE SCHOOLS, MORE IN DEPTH THROUGH A FUNDED STUDY.
MARK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A SURVEY, UH, DONE
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BY CITIZENS OR YOUR WORK, BUT SOMEWHERE I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT SPEEDING BEING ONE OF THE TOP ISSUES.WAS THAT OUT OF A SURVEY? YES.
YEAH, THAT WAS A SURVEY THAT WE DID.
HAVE WE IDENTIFIED WHERE THAT IS? UM, MOST IMPORTANT, WOULD IT BE INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOODS? IS IT STATE ROUTES? YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE BETTER ON YOUR PAPER THAN YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN.
NO, WE CAN'T
BUT ALL THE SMALL RED DOTS WERE WHERE THERE WERE SPEEDING CONCERNS.
AND A LOT OF THEM ARE IN NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT A LOT OF THEM ARE ALSO ON THOSE MAIN ROADS TOO.
THERE JUST WASN'T A CLEAR PATTERN WITH IT.
UM, BUT YEAH, PEOPLE KIND OF, KIND OF WHAT WE GATHERED FROM IT IS PEOPLE FEEL THERE'S PEOPLE DRIVING UNSAFE SPEEDS EVERYWHERE.
CHIEF LIGHTNER, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THEIR FINDINGS? MOST DEFINITELY.
SO COMPLAINTS ENTIRE CITY IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE, THAT'S THEIR PRIMARY
IT'S JUST NOT UP NORTH OR SOUTH OLD TROY PIKE, BRANT PIKE, IT'S EVERYWHERE.
WE DO, WE DO TARGETED ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY DRIVE CITY.
SO IF WE WERE GOING TO ATTACK ONE ITEM, IT WOULD BE TO TRY TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
I THINK GETTING PEOPLE TO DRIVE SAFE SPEEDS IS THE MOST INFLUENTIAL WAY TO REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CRASH OCCURRING.
AND WHEN THE CRASH OCCURS, REDUCES SEVERITY.
IT TAKES LOTS OF THINGS TO INFLUENCE SPEED, THE STREET DESIGN, CULTURE, ENFORCEMENT, SPEED LIMITS.
SO IF YOU WERE TO LIST THE TOP THREE, WHAT WOULD THEY BE? STREETS OR SPEEDING ON OUR STREETS.
IF WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE TOP THREE THINGS WE WOULD DO? UM, LOOK TO INFLUENCE STREET DESIGN WHERE YOU CAN, THERE'S SOME THE VARIETY OF TOOLS WE CAN USE TO INFLUENCE STREET DESIGN.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER SPEED LIMITS, IT'S SO WE'LL MOVE PAST THAT.
UM, AND THEN ENFORCEMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN JUST THE POLICE PRESENCE.
IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO BE CITATIONS.
UM, I MEAN, BIG PICTURE, I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME CAMERA.
AUTOMATED SPEED ENFORCEMENT, AGAIN, THAT'S LIKE OHIO LEGISLATION CHALLENGE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR MAKING THE STREET FEEL LIKE SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE DRIVING THE LEGAL SPEED AND NOT 45.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE CULTURE, CULTURE CHANGES HARD.
UM, AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME SORT OF CONSEQUENCES, THE, THE THREAT OF A CONSEQUENCE, EVEN
UH, CHIEF LIGHTNER, I BELIEVE IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS I'VE SEEN THE PRESENCE OF MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES.
IS THAT MY IMAGINATION OR HAVE YOU DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT? THE ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WHEN WE ALL SAT AT THIS TABLE BACK THERE AND TALKED, OF COURSE IT ISN'T ALL DONE, NOT ENFORCEMENT, IT'S ABOUT VISIBILITY ALSO.
SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, OUR OFFICERS DO THEIR REPORTS INSIDE THEIR CAR ON A COMPUTER IN THE CAR.
SO YOU'LL SEE 'EM SITTING IN A PARKING LOT SITTING SOMEWHERE DOING THE REPORTS.
SO WE'VE STRESSED TO THE OFFICERS WHEN YOU DO YOUR REPORTING, SIT IN A VISIBLE AREA OUT IN THE PUBLIC WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE IT.
NOW SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA THINK, YOU KNOW, THE CAR JUST FED BY.
WHY IS THAT OFFICERS STILL SITTING THERE? WHY DON'T THEY STOP THEM? WELL, 'CAUSE IN THAT CASE THEY MAY BE DOING A REPORT AND THEY DIDN'T GET THE SPEED, BUT GENERALLY JUST BY THEM SITTING THERE, IT MAY SLOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWN.
SO IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT CITATION.
IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT, AND YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE ISSUED A CITATION.
UM, BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS JUST TO BE MORE VISIBLE.
AND I THINK BY HAVING OFFICERS DO THE REPORTS IN THEIR CAR IN THE MORE VISIBLE AREAS, REALLY HELP SEE MORE VISIBLE.
SO THAT LEADS ME TO THIS QUESTION.
WHO DID THE SURVEY? WE, WE PUT THE SURVEY TOGETHER.
WOULDN'T IT BE FASCINATING TO MAYBE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW THE SURVEY AGAIN AND SEE WHAT THE EFFECT OF WHAT CHIEF LIGHTNER IS DOING AND THE RESPONSE WE MIGHT SEE.
SO IF IT'S SOMETHING MEASURABLE THAT WE CAN USE TO IMPROVE, WE'RE NOT AS THE PUBLIC OPINION.
SO THE PUBLIC OPINION IS SPEEDING MY OPINION AS BEING ONE OF THE PUBLIC.
I THINK YOU'RE HELPING TO CURB THAT WITH THE THINGS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HERE TONIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ADDITIONAL SURVEYING DONE AT SOME POINT AS YOU CONTINUE DOING WHAT YOU'VE CHANGED
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THAT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT GOT AN EXPIRATION TIME.YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE DOING THAT.
AND THEN ALSO, AND I'M SURE YOU RECALL, YOU PROBABLY SEEN IT ON FACEBOOK DURING THAT TIME, AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, I PUT A DIRECT OUT THAT ALL PATROL MADE AT LEAST TWO TRAFFIC CONTACTS WITH THE MOTOR IN PUBLIC FIRST SHIFT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY NEED TO WRITE A TICKET TO EVERYBODY.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY NEED TO WRITE ANY TICKETS AT ALL JUST DURING THEIR TOUR OF DUTY.
THEY NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST AN AVERAGE OF TWO TRAFFIC CONTACTS OR STOPS CONTACTS WITH MOTOR AND COVER.
NOW SOME OFFICERS GO WELL BEYOND THAT, BUT THAT'S A MINIMUM.
AND I THINK THAT'S HELPED INCREASE IT ALSO TOO, VISIBILITY.
SO REAR IMPACTS UNINSURED CLEAR DISTANCE IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE WRECKS ARE.
YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S BEEN THAT WAY.
UM, FOREVER, FOR A LONG TIME WHEN I WAS A LIEUTENANT, UH, YOU KNOW, 12, 14 YEARS AGO AND HAD TO DO THOSE REPORTS EVERY YEAR, THAT WAS ALWAYS THE MAIN POSITIVE FACTOR WAS ASSURED CLEAR DISTANCE PEOPLE WENT INTO THE
SO I THINK WE HAVE TWO ELEMENTS HERE.
ONE IS WHY DID THEY HAVE A COLLISION? AND NUMBER TWO, WHAT'S THE PUBLIC THINK? SO THE PUBLIC SEES SPEEDING AS THE TOP ISSUE.
AND I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS HERE.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE OUR STREETS SAFER.
PSYCHOLOGICALLY, WE WANT THE TAXPAYERS TO BELIEVE THEIR TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT AND THAT WE'RE CONTROLLING THE SPEED.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY RECOMMEND THAT WE RESURVEY AND SEE WHAT EFFECT, SO WE'RE NOT IN THE DARK, WASTING OUR TIME OR MONEY AND SEE WHAT EFFECT WE'RE GETTING.
I I THINK THAT A SIMPLE SURVEY IS VERY SIMPLE TO PUT TOGETHER.
IT'S UP TO YOU ALL TO DISTRIBUTE IT TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, CONSTITUENTS AND, AND THEN JUST LOOKING AT IT AGAIN.
YOU MAY NOT GET THE SAME PEOPLE TO TAKE IT AGAIN.
THEY MAY SAY, I ALREADY DID THIS.
UM, BUT IT'S A GOOD SAMPLING THAT YOU DID.
UM, BUT YOU'RE CERTAINLY, IT'S NOT HARD.
IT WOULDN'T BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO DO IT.
THAT'S CERTAINLY, LIKE YOU SAID, PERCEPTIONS.
UM, I'D ALSO BE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT FROM STREET THE STREETLIGHT DATA.
UM, SO THEM KNOWING THE PUBLIC, KNOWING THERE'S A POLICE PRESENCE AND THEIR PERCEPTIONS ARE ONE THING.
AND THEN IN GENERAL, ARE YOU SEEING LOWER THE OUTCOMES DESIRE, THE ACTUAL OUTCOMES DESIRED? DID IT LOWER THE NUMBER OF CRASHES? SO REDUCE SPEEDS.
SO THE STREETLIGHT WILL WON'T TELL YOU CRASHES, IT WILL TELL YOU ACTUAL SPEEDS.
PEOPLE ARE YELLING, OKAY, STREETLIGHT DATA, WE DIDN'T GET INTO THAT MUCH OF WHAT IT IS, BUT IT'S TRACKING PEOPLE'S PHONE MOVEMENTS AND THEIR CONNECTED VEHICLES AND IT'S COLLECTING ALL THAT DATA AND UM, IT'S KIND OF CREEPY.
IT'S LIKE TRACKING YOU A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT REALLY.
UM, BUT THAT IS KIND OF WHAT YOU GET THAT, SO IT IS BASICALLY REAL TIME SPEED DATA.
I MEAN, AFTER THEY PROCESS THE DATA YOU HAVE EACH DAY YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SPEEDS.
SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THE THREE MONTHS BEFORE AND THEN THE THREE MONTHS AFTER AND SEE IF THERE'S A SUBSTANTIVE DIFFERENCE.
SO MARK OR CHIEF LIGHTNER, YOU'RE HOPING YOUR EFFORTS RESULTS IN FEWER CRASHES, CORRECT? YES.
AND IF WE HAVE FEWER CRASHES, WE HAVE SAFER ROADS, UH, WELL WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE AND SEVERE CRASHES TOO, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MARK, IF YOU HAVE FEWER CRASHES, HAVE WE IMPROVED SOMETHING? SURE.
IS THE QUALITY OF OUR LIFE BETTER? YEAH.
SO, UH, AGAIN, ALL THIS DISCUSSION FROM ME WAS TO RECOMMEND THAT WE SURVEY AGAIN AND THAT WE'RE NOT IN THE DARK, JUST THROWING DARTS AT A BOARD AND WE GET AS SOPHISTICATED WITH THIS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
I I MEAN, I I CERTAIN DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD IDEA.
I MEAN, I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, UM, CULTURE AND VISIBILITY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH STATE ROUTE 41 THROUGH THE LITTLE CITY OF NORTH HAMPTON, BUT YOU DON'T SPEED THROUGH THERE.
YEAH, I BET YOU WON'T GET ANOTHER ONE.
SO YEAH, I MEAN VISIBILITY, I MEAN, THOSE COPS MUST WRITE A, MUST WRITE A LOT OF REPORTS BECAUSE THERE WAS ONE AT THE BEGINNING OF TOWN WHEN YOU GO IN AND THERE'S ONE SITTING AT THE DOLLAR STORE WHEN YOU LEAVE TOWN.
AND IF YOU ARE A MILE AN HOUR OVER 35 GOING THROUGH THAT TOWN, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA GET A TICKETED.
AND ALMOST ANYBODY YOU ASK IN THIS AREA WHO'S EVER BEEN ON 41 THROUGH NORTH HAMPTON, THEY KNOW YOU'LL GET A SPEEDING TICKET.
SO CULTURE AND VISIBILITY ABSOLUTELY SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
I'M GONNA GO BACK TO, TO DON AND WE'LL COME BACK DON.
UH, CHIEF LIGHTNER, IN TALKING TO SOME OF THE OFFICERS, IT SEEMS THAT DISTRACTED DRIVING, UH, NOW MORE THAN EVER, UH, IS A PRIMARY CAUSE IN REAR END COLLISIONS.
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AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? I DUNNO, I DUNNO IF I CAN ACCURATELY SAY WHY THAT'S OR NOT BECAUSE I DUNNO IF THE DATE IS THERE AND SHOW.IT'S, UH, THERE WAS A, UM, OOHP REPORT THAT SAID DISTRACTED DRIVING, UM, UM, WAS THE ROOT CAUSE OF WHAT THEY CONSIDERED TO BE, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE REAR END COLLISIONS.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS, UH, UH, LIKE COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL, I'VE NOTICED THAT YOUR OFFICERS ARE HIGHLY VISIBLE, UM, SINCE WHATEVER IT IS YOU'VE DONE, YOU DO SEE THEM SITTING OFF THE SIDE OF OLD TROY PIKE OR ON CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, THEY'RE OUT THERE AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THEIR PRESENCE, UH, IF NOTHING ELSE IS GONNA MAKE SOMEBODY PUT THEIR CELL PHONE DOWN AND MAYBE FOCUS ON DRIVING A LITTLE MORE.
I THINK THE, THE OVERALL, UH, IMPACT OF HAVING THOSE OFFICERS VISIBLE, UH, IS A LOT MORE MEANINGFUL THAN, UH, WE GIVE IT CREDIT FOR BECAUSE, UH, PEOPLE TEND TO SHAPE UP AND DRIVE BETTER WHEN, UH, THERE'S A COP SITTING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
I AGREE WITH MARK, IT, IT IS, UH, TO ME VERY VISIBLE THAT SOMETHING DIFFERENT IS HAPPENING IN THE CITY, NANCY.
YOU KNOW, I BET YOU THE TOWN THAT ARE ROUTE 41 THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YEAH.
I BET THAT THAT'S CHANGED MOSTLY BECAUSE IT'S HIT THEIR WALLET, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE RIDING A LOT OF TICKETS THAT GETS PEOPLE'S, UH, PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.
BUT I'M NOT SO SURE, I MEAN, I'M ALL FOR REDUCING THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO HERE IS FINE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY HARD TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT SPEEDING IS NOT A, A PROBLEM WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, SAY, 300 ACCIDENTS A YEAR.
ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THEY'RE SPEEDING IN BETWEEN IS GOING TO REMAIN A PROBLEM.
AND UNLESS, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU STOP THAT.
IT, YOU, YOU HAVE TARGETED ENFORCEMENT, BUT WE'RE A BIG CITY, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN EFFECTIVELY CHANGE THE CULTURE THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR.
UM, I THINK TARGET IS RIDICULOUS AND PEOPLE PASSING YOU ON THE RIGHT AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE GOT 45,000 PEOPLE HERE.
AND, AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A POLICE OFFICER TO MONITOR EVERY PERSON IN THE CITY THAT DRIVES A CAR.
SO TARGETED ENFORCEMENT, I THINK THE ISSUE WHEN I BRING UP NORTHAMPTON IS IF ANYBODY'S BEEN THROUGH THERE, IF YOU KNOW ABOUT NORTHAMPTON, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE ARE TWO COPS THAT SIT EVERY SINGLE DAY, NO MATTER WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THERE.
SO IF WE HAVE AREAS WHERE SOME OF THESE, IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE'VE GOT LOTS OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT SPEEDERS, IF THEY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY KNOW THEY'RE GONNA SEE A POLICE OFFICER SITTING THERE, WHETHER THEY'RE WRITING A REPORT OR THEY'RE WATCHING THE TRAFFIC, WHATEVER IT IS, WELL THEY'LL SLOW DOWN.
NOW IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN TOMORROW? NO.
IS THAT CULTURE CHANGE GONNA HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS? NO, BUT IF WE, IF WE REMAIN CONSISTENT IN DOING THINGS LIKE THAT, EVENTUALLY THE CULTURE CHANGES.
NO, NO MATTER WHAT, IF YOU DO, IF YOU DO ENOUGH THINGS CONSISTENTLY, THE CULTURE WILL CHANGE.
SO KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE THAT SITUATION WHERE SPEEDING IS AN ISSUE OR THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION IS THAT SPEEDING IS AN ISSUE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT SPEEDING IS CAUSING THE MAJORITY OF THE CRASHES.
WE'VE HEARD THAT IT, CAUSE IT CHANGES THE SEVERITY OF THE CRASH, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT CAUSES MORE CRASHES.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S JUST VISIBILITY AND PRESENCE AND PEOPLE BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHERE POLICE ARE.
THERE'S A HIGHER POLICE PRESENCE.
AND IF YOU ARE CAUGHT, YOU ARE MORE THAN LIKELY GONNA GET A TICKET.
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE KNOW WE GOT KIDS PLAYING AND PEDESTRIANS ARE OUT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT SO MUCH THE CASE ON, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MAJOR, THEIR AFFAIRS.
BUT IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DRIVING 45, 50 MILES AN HOUR ON A 25 MILE AN HOUR STREET IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, I HAVE A HARD TIME THINKING ANY OF OUR OFFICERS WHO WOULD CATCH SOMEBODY DOING THAT IS JUST GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, DON'T DO THAT AGAIN AND BE ABOUT YOUR MERRY WAY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET A TICKET.
I MEAN, IT, NOBODY LIKES TO PAY FOR A TICKET.
NOBODY LIKES TO HAVE THEIR INSURANCE GO UP.
SO IF THEY KNOW PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND WE HAVE TARGETED ENFORCEMENT AND WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO IT AND THE POLICE ARE MORE VISIBLE, IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT CULTURE WILL CHANGE.
JOHN, UH, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF CHIEF.
UM, IT'S BEEN A WHILE BACK, BUT, UH, AT YOUR TOWN HALL PRESENTATION WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, YOU MENTIONED THAT A CITIZEN COMPLAINT TO THE NON-EMERGENCY LINE OR THROUGH THE, UH, WEBSITE APP OR WHATEVER WAS LOGGED IN AND, UH, THAT DIRECTED SOME OF
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YOUR ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY.UM, ON AVERAGE WE SEE BOTH IN THE COMMAND STAFF DOES TWO, A COUPLE, TWO THREE A WEEK.
UM, COMPLAINT UNDER THE COMPLEMENT COMPLAINT SECTION OF OUR, OF OUR, UH, WEBSITE PEOPLE WILL, UH, WILL, WILL FORWARD US INFORMATION.
IT'S NOT ALL SPEED, IT'S NOT ALL TRAFFIC, IT'S OTHER THINGS TOO.
THE COMPLAINTS COME IN THROUGH THERE.
UM, ONE OF THOSE JUST RECENTLY WAS, AGAIN, CARRIED TRAILS AND REDID A, UH, A TARGETING ENFORCEMENT EFFORT FOR THREE DAYS IN A ROW FOR EIGHT HOURS EACH DAY WITH TWO OFFICERS UP THERE.
AND, UH, AND THE RESULTS WERE BENEFICIAL AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO ANOTHER ONE UP THERE.
UM, AGAIN, LIKE AMER SAID, TOO, DEMONSTRATE TO PEOPLE THAT EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA SEE, YOU'RE GETTING USED TO SEEING TARGETED ENFORCEMENT EFFORT UP THERE, TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN BECAUSE THEY DUNNO WHAT'S GONNA OCCUR.
UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CRASHES.
THERE WERE 3,589, WE HAVE, UH, FATALITIES AND WE HAVE SERIOUS INJURY AND THERE'S, UH, 14 IN ONE CATEGORY, 74 IN THE OTHER CATEGORY FOR A TOTAL OF 88.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE COULD DIRECTLY MOST LIKELY SAY IS SPEED RELATED.
WELL, SO THERE, A LOT OF THEM ARE SPEED RELATED, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE THE FATAL.
UM, WE DID TALK ABOUT IN OUR, IN OUR STAKEHOLDER WORKSHOP TOO, A LOT OF THOSE FATAL CRASHES COULD BE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT BE AS, AS PREVENTABLE.
THEY MIGHT BE SOMEONE THAT WAS DRIVING REALLY RECKLESSLY OR INTOXICATED HEAVILY.
UM, SO WE LOOKED AT THOSE FATAL CRASHES OF COURSE.
UM, BUT WE ALSO HEAVILY EMPHASIZED A SERIOUS INJURY.
UM, BUT A LOT OF THOSE CRASHES THAT ARE SERIOUS INJURY OCCURRED AT THE INTERSECTIONS.
SO WE HAVE NOT CATEGORIZED OR ADDRESS LOW IMPACT CLAIMS OR, OR ACCIDENTS.
WE HAVE THAT THAT SHOULD BE IN THE REPORT SOMEWHERE.
BUT YEAH, THERE ARE ARE GRAPHICS FOR, FOR ALL.
WE HAVE THE SAME GRAPH INCLUDING ALL CRASHES.
SO NOW CH ALSO QUALIFY THIS INFORMATION IS WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN A CRASH REPORT.
SPEED IS TYPICALLY UNDER REPORTED.
PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA BE LIKE, OH YEAH, I WAS SPEEDING WHEN I CRASHED.
IT'S TO THE EXTENT THAT AN OFFICER HAS THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
UM, SO THIS IS BASED ON KNOWN INFORMATION THAT SOMEONE SAID, OH, THEY WERE SPEEDING OR THIS WAS CLEARLY EVIDENT THAT, THAT THE OUTCOME HERE WAS NOT FROM GOING 35.
SO HISTORICALLY IT IS NOT JUST FOR HUBER HEIGHTS, BUT IN OHIO AND NATIONALLY, SPEED IS JUST TYPICALLY KNOWN AS THE, THE NUMBER ONE OF THE HIGHEST CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO THESE WORST OUTCOMES.
SO MAYOR, A LOT OF THESE 3,581 CRASHES ARE PROBABLY CATEGORIZED BY THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY AS LOW IMPACT CLAIMS. UH, YEAH.
ESPECIALLY IF THERE, IF IF WE KNOW THROUGH THE CHIEF'S POLICE DATA THAT THERE WERE ENDS.
SO I BELIEVE CHIEF LIGHTNER MY OPINION AFTER READING YOUR DATA, THIS IS A TERRIFIC REPORT.
WE HAVE TWO THINGS GOING ON HERE.
ONE IS THE IMPRESSION THAT PEOPLE HAVE SITTING IN THEIR HOME OR OUTSIDE THEIR HOME AND WATCHING CARS SPEED UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.
AND MAYBE THEY DON'T EVEN NECESSARILY GET IN A WRECK, BUT THAT'S AN ISSUE.
AND WE FOUND THAT OUT SPECIFICALLY THROUGH A SURVEY.
AND OUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO ADDRESS BOTH OF THESE ISSUES.
ONE IS TO REDUCE, UH, FATALITIES AND SERIOUS INJURY IN ALL ACCIDENTS, BUT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE SPEED AND IT REALLY DOES NEED TO GO DOWN.
AND THE MEASUREMENT, I, UNLESS YOU HAVE A BETTER MEASUREMENT, ONE MEASUREMENT WOULD BE TO CONTINUE TO SURVEY THE PUBLIC AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE WE MEASURE SPEEDERS AND WHAT EFFECT YOU'RE HAVING IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE TWO CONTACTS A DAY AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE NECESSARILY HAVE TO ISSUE A CITATION.
AND, AND IF YOU DOUBLED YOUR POLICE FORCE, YOU, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SCRATCH THE SURFACE OF PULLING EVERYONE OVER WHO'S SPEEDING.
SO, SO I REALLY THINK MAYOR, THAT SURVEYING THE PUBLIC, THEIR IMPRESSION IS IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK YOUR EFFORT, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER THOUGHT OF GIVING INCENTIVES TO GROUPS, BUT
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BRIAN, WHEN BRIAN AND RICK DO, DO WE GIVE INCENTIVES TO EMPLOYEES? YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU EVALUATE 'EM AND, AND, AND THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB, DO THEY MAYBE GET A BOOST SOMEWHERE, UH, FOR CERTAIN EMPLOYEES? YES.THERE ARE MERIT PERFORMANCE WAIVER THAT, THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
THIS IS A SERIOUS REPORT WITH SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD START DOING NOW.
AND IF THERE COULD BE SOME INCENTIVES PROVIDED AS WE WATCH THAT NUMBER DROP DECLINE.
SO THE OPINIONS OF THE PUBLIC, UH, WE HAVE SPEEDERS AT THIS LEVEL.
THE NEXT SURVEY, IT'S HERE, THE NEXT SURVEY, IT'S HERE, THE NEXT SURVEY, IT'S HERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MANAGE PEOPLE ALL DIFFERENT WAYS, MEANING EMPLOYEES AND, AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE.
IT'S MEASURABLE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD AFFECT.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SIDEWAYS OF WHAT YOU WERE HOPING TO HEAR TONIGHT, BUT I THINK IT'S AN ADDED BENEFIT HERE.
PEOPLE BEING ENGAGED AND TRYING TO MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT COULD BE PART OF THE EDUCATION PIECE OF ALL THIS TOO.
AND MAYBE LIKE WITHIN THAT SURVEY YOU CAN LINK PEOPLE TO OTHER RESOURCES THAT, OR JUST OTHER MESSAGING IN GENERAL.
LIKE WHILE YOU HAVE PEOPLE TAKING THE SURVEY, MAYBE THEY CAN GET SOME EDUCATION OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL.
I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO PUT A MEDIAN DOWN OLD TROY PIKE AND BRENT PIKE SOON ENOUGH TO MAKE THE, MAKE THE LANES NARROWER OR APPEAR TO BE NARROWER.
UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO STRIPE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE HAVE 400 LANE MILES OF STREETS NOW, MIKE? ABOUT 4 30, 430.
I MEAN, BUT I BELIEVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S ONTO SOMETHING AND I THINK IF WE CONTINUE TO FOCUS AND, AND SPEND ENOUGH RESOURCES AND SURVEY AND MEASURE, I THINK WE'RE ONTO SOMETHING.
MY HAT'S OFF TO YOU IN YOUR TEAM, NANCY.
THIS IS REALLY GOOD INFORMATION.
SOMETHING WE CAN PUT OUR HANDS ON AND REALLY GET TO WORK.
SO THAT LEADS TO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THIS DATA AND, AND HOW QUICKLY ARE WE GOING TO REACT TO RESPOND TO WHAT WE'VE GOT? WELL, I THINK, UH, I'LL WORK WITH RUSS AND BRIAN ON NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF TARGET AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENTS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ALL GONNA DEPEND ON RESOURCES AND MONEY AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A, A PRIORITIZED PLAN OF, OF AREAS WE WANT TO ADDRESS BASED OFF OF THIS REPORT.
THE REPORT'S ALSO GONNA GO A LONG WAY IN TERMS OF, UH, QUALIFYING US FOR A LOT OF THE FUNDING THAT WE CAN SEEK FOR THE PROJECT.
SO WE, WE DO INTEND TO PURSUE.
AND THIS, THEY WOULD HELP 'EM WORK WITH BRIAN, RUSS, AND, AND RICK AND COME UP WITH WHAT THOSE KIND OF HIGHEND HIGH INCENTIVE AREAS ARE AND COME UP WITH A PLAN AND THEN GO AFTER IT.
MARK AT SOME POINT I WOULD ALSO RICK INCLUDE THE PIECE WHERE WE CONTINUE THE SURVEYS.
CHIEF LIGHTNER, YOU WORK WITH YOUR TEAM AND WE COME BACK AND WE SEE EFFECT AND CHANGE.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT COULD BE DONE A LOT FASTER THAN ALL OF THIS STUFF IF, IF IT TAKES A YEAR OR TWO YEARS TO GET FUNDING.
ANITA, WHEN WILL THE 2023 DATA COME OUT? 'CAUSE WASN'T IT JULY 1ST THAT THE DISTRACTED DRIVING LAW CAME INTO EFFECT? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO EVERYTHING? 'CAUSE WASN'T IT JULY 1ST THAT THAT STARTED OF 2023 REFRESH EITHER.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT MIGHT, 'CAUSE I KNOW I'VE BEEN REAR SINCE I'VE LIVED IN CUBA, I'VE GOTTEN REAR-END IT TWICE AND IT WAS PEOPLE ON CELL PHONES AND THEY SAID THEY WERE, ONE WAS A VERY PREGNANT LADY THAT I THOUGHT SHE WAS IN LABOR EVEN AND SHE WAS ON HER CELL PHONE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING IF THAT MIGHT BE CAUSING A LOT OF THE REAR ENDED ACCIDENTS AND HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT THE NUMBERS.
I MEAN, FOR 2023 DATA, UM, THE STATE TYPICALLY DOESN'T RELEASE THE FULL YEAR OF DATA FOR THREE TO SIX MONTHS FOLLOWING THE YEAR.
SO IT CAN BE ANYTIME BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE TO GET THE FULL YEAR OF DATA.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES THEY WAIT FOR STATEWIDE DELAY REPORTS.
UM, THE STATEWIDE DISTRACTED DRIVING LAW, I BELIEVE TOOK EFFECT JULY 1ST.
BUT THEN THERE WAS A WARNING PERIOD.
IT WAS LIKE 60 DAY WARNING PERIOD OR SOMETHING.
SO IT REALLY WAS SEPTEMBER 1ST.
UM, I'D BE CURIOUS WITH THE LAW IF IT, HOW MUCH IT, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF IT AFFECTED BEHAVIOR.
'CAUSE I WORKED, I TESTIFIED FOR THAT LAW, SO I'M EXCITED THAT IT PASSED.
BUT I AM CURIOUS TO SEE HOW MUCH OF AN INFLUENCE IT IN FACT HAD.
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CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? HAVE WE ISSUED A LOT OF TICKETS DUE TO THE DISTRACTED DRIVING LAW HERE IN HUBER? UH, I HAVE.YEAH, OUR, I THINK, UH, THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY HAS REPORTED THAT CLAIMS ARE UP FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, YEAR OVER YEAR.
SO, AND OHIO THOUGHT THAT DISTRACTION WAS IMPORTANT 'CAUSE WE HAVE A NEW LAW.
SO YEAH, THAT IMPORTANCE, THAT DATE IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
I KNOW I'M TALKING TO MYSELF HERE.
NO, I THINK, BUT WE HAVE VERIFIABLE MEASURABLE DATA THAT'S WORKING AND IF WE DON'T GRAB A HOLD OF THAT IN A SERIOUS WAY AND CONTINUE AND EXPAND THAT, WE'RE MISSING THE BOAT HERE.
WE HAVE A SHORT TERM SOLUTION AND A LONG TERM SOLUTION OTHER THAN WHAT HE'S DOING IS LONG TERM AND WHAT HE'S DOING IS IMPACTFUL.
AND I'M TALKING ABOUT CHIEF LIGHTNER IN YOUR GROUP.
AARON THOUGHT I WAS TALKING ABOUT HIM.
AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THE PUBLIC IN THE NEXT SURVEY WE DO, WE'LL SEE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE UP HERE IS SEEING MORE VISIBILITY.
WELL IF IT'S LESS THAN YOU THINK THE NEXT TIME WE SERVE ANN, YOU NEED TO WORK HARDER.
AND IF IT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, THEN YOU KNOW, NOT TO MODIFY OR CHANGE THE PLAN.
THERE'S WHAT I THINK IS VERY VALUABLE HERE.
CAN I GET AN AMEN? I'M JUST AMEN.
CHIEF LIGHTNER, WOULD WE HAVE THE DATA ON HOW MANY OF ACCIDENTS OR ALL THOSE METRICS AND HOW MANY WERE ACTUAL CAR THEFTS? LIKE WERE THEY SPEEDING AND THEN HAD A FAILURE? LIKE WERE THEY YOUNG DRIVER? LIKE, WOULD THAT, IS THAT CAR THEFT TOPIC BLENDED AND ALL THOSE NUMBERS VERSUS LIKE, WE COULD HAVE A BROKEN TAKING CAR AWAY.
SO A LOT OF TIMES THEY SPEED AWAY, THEY HAVEN'T, THEY LEAVE THE ROAD AND THEY HIT A HOUSE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE A CURVE.
AND I WONDER OR THAT MAYBE THEY'RE ON SUBSTANCES.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ALL THAT, IF THAT TOPIC WAS BLENDED INTO THOSE RATES OR IF WE COULD SEPARATE IT DOWN.
WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO READ EACH INDIVIDUAL ACCIDENT REPORT TO SEE WHAT OKAY.
BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE A BREAKDOWN IN OUR, IN OUR YEARLY REPORT THAT WE DO, OUR CLEAR REPORT WE DO THAT BREAKS IT DOWN BY AGE.
ALL THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT BREAKS DOWN FOR DRIVERS INFORMATION AND THE CAUSE FACTORS.
AND YES, BRIAN, I HAD TO SAY SOMETHING.
IT WAS, UH, IT'S REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL.
I HAVE A LOT OF KIDS AND HALF OF THEM ARE DRIVING NOW, SO HALF OF THIS PROBABLY SCARES ME A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT, UM, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION AND EV AND EVERYONE'S INPUT IN HERE AND, UH, CHIEF, UM, YOU AND YOUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT PRESENCE OUT THERE.
UM, I, I KNOW THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU TRY TO TEACH YOUR KIDS WHEN YOU'RE TEACHING 'EM HOW TO DRIVE, NOT HOW YOU DRIVE, BUT HOW YOU, THEY SHOULD DRIVE.
UM, I THINK EVERY, EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNG DRIVERS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I SEE IT ALL THE TIME JUST FROM MY, UH, UH, FRIENDS OF MY KIDS, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, WHEN THEY HANG OUT AT MY HOUSE.
AND UH, SO I JUST APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S EFFORTS AND UH, AND THE ATTENTION TO IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? JUST ONE FINAL COMMENT, MAYOR, IF I MAY.
PRESENTATION WAS AWESOME FOLKS.
THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION.
CAN'T WAIT TO GET HOME AND, UH, DELVE INTO IT FURTHER.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US.
[ Carriage Trails Boulevard/Brandt Pike (State Route 201) Intersection - Engineering Design - Award Contract]
ITEM 3D, WHICH IS THE CARRIAGE TRAILS BOULEVARD, BRANT PIKE STATE ROUTE 2 0 1 INTERSECTION, UH, ENGINEERING DESIGN AND, UH, AN AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.SO IS THIS GONNA GO TO RUSS? YES.
THIS LEGISLATION IS TO AWARD A CONTRACT FOR ENGINEERING DESIGN, UH, FOR THE INSTALLATION OF NEW MASSED ARMED TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND WIDENING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTION OF GRAND AND TRUST PARK.
UH, THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS ARE SHOWN THE MAP IN YOUR PACKAGE AND THE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE WIDENING GRANT PIKE TO ADD LONG LEFT TURN LANE GOING NORTH INTO UH, CARRIAGE TRAIL SUBDIVISION, ALSO SOUTHBOUND ENTRANCE AND NORTHBOUND EXIT FROM TERRY TRAILS WHERE WE MODIFIED TO SET, UH, TO ENTER AND EXIT AT A NEW LIGHT, ELIMINATING THE TWO LONG RAMPING TYPE LANES THAT ARE THERE.
UH, FOR THIS PROJECT DESIGN, WE REQUESTED PROPOSALS FROM
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FOUR QUALIFIED ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS, UH, THAT HAD WORKED WITH THE CITY BEFORE, UH, FOR THEM TO PREPARE THE PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE CITY.UH, K CLIENT INJURY GROUP, UH, PROVIDED THE LOWEST INVESTMENT PROPOSAL FOR THE DESIGN.
UH, BEHIND THEM WAS WOLF'S, UH, ROUGHLY 124,000 ARC, WHICH IS ALSO IBI WAS 161,000 AND TDC ENGINEERING WAS 73,000.
UH, CLIENT INTEREST GROUP HAS DESIGNED MANY PROJECTS IN THE CITY.
UH, THEY DID THE GRANT PIKE AND CHAMBERS ROAD MASTER SIGNAL A FEW YEARS AGO.
UM, DID NOT TO EXCEED ON THIS DESIGN WAS HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THE FUNDS USED FROM OUR CAPITAL FUND.
UH, BEFORE I FINISH THOUGH, I'D LIKE TO STATE THAT, UH, AFTER OUR TOWN HALL MEETING, WE HAD ON JANUARY 31ST, IT SOUNDED FROM THAT MEETING THAT THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL WANTED US TO EXPEDITE THIS PROJECT.
SO, UH, THAT IS WHY, UH, WE WENT OUT FOR ENGINEERING FOLKS RIGHT AWAY.
UH, THE STAFF FELT AT THE TIME THAT THE INSTALLATION, WE STILL DO THAT.
THE INSTALLATION OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WAS THE BEST OPTION, UH, TO GET THIS PROJECT COMPLETED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO, UH, I DON'T WANT BE, UH, OH, HERE WE GO AGAIN AND KIND KIND OF GOT IT, BUT RIGHT.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT JUST, SO A COUPLE THINGS BECAUSE WE WERE IN A TOWN HALL SITUATION AND THERE WERE COUNCIL MEMBERS THERE, THERE WAS A, THERE REALLY WASN'T A LOT OF INPUT FROM COUNCIL DURING THAT TOWN HALL JUST BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT THAT, THAT IT WAS IN.
IT WAS MORE OF A, A PRESENTATION TYPE PERSPECTIVE THAT, THAT BRIAN PUT TOGETHER.
UM, SO I KNOW PROBABLY SINCE 2000, SUMMER OF 2021 AT MOST RECENT MEMORY, UM, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, ON, ON MY RADAR THINKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
UM, AND THIS HAD ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF DESCRIBED AS A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE WHEN THE ACTUAL LEGISLATION WAS PASSED, UM, WHERE WE ACTUALLY GAVE ROB SCHOMER.
SO IT'S BEEN A WHILE, GAVE ROB SCHOMER THE, UH, THE AUTHORIZATION TO GET THIS DONE.
AND, AND I BELIEVE IN THAT LEGISLATION IT ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT INSTALLING A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
SO IN MY BRAIN THIS HAS JUST KIND OF ALWAYS BEEN A TRAFFIC LIGHT AS BEING THE SOLUTION.
SO NOW I KNOW THERE'S ROUNDABOUTS UP THERE IN CARRIAGE TRAILS ALL ALONG CARRIAGE TRAILS BOULEVARD.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT OPINIONS, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS AND HOW THEY WORK AND WHAT THEIR EFFECTIVENESS IS.
UH, WE SAW THIS EVENING IN THE TRAFFIC PLAN UP HERE THAT ROUNDABOUTS SLOW PEOPLE DOWN AND CERTAINLY HAVE AN OVERALL, I THINK THE WORD SHE USED WAS A TRAFFIC CALMING EFFECT IN TERMS OF SPEED AND MANEUVERABILITY AROUND THAT.
SO I'LL GO BACK TO KINDA WHAT MARK SAID.
WE GOT TWO ISSUES HERE AND THE TWO ISSUES WE HAVE.
ONE OF 'EM IS WHAT IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO REDUCE ACCIDENTS, POTENTIAL ACCIDENTS AT THAT INTERSECTION.
AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A LONG TIME TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF TRAFFIC SAFETY DEVICE THERE, UM, TO STOP THOSE ACCIDENTS FROM HAPPENING.
SO, BECAUSE WE'VE REALLY NEVER HAD A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT EITHER OR AT LEAST FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, AND I KNOW THIS IS, YOU KNOW, RUSTY, YOU GUYS AND BRIAN, YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING LIKE, WHY THE HELL ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS? NOW WE'RE READY TO GO OUT TO BID.
BUT I THINK WE'RE JUST IN THAT SITUATION WHERE WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, AARON, I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT 'CAUSE I WOULD CERTAINLY BE INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR OPINION IN TERMS OF THIS DISCUSSION.
AND THEN I THINK THE OVERALL DECISION FROM COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE THE NEEDS FOR A TRAFFIC SAFETY DEVICE THERE.
THE SPEED OF HOW FAST IT GETS DONE, WHAT THE LONG-TERM EFFECT IS, WHAT THE LONG-TERM STRATEGY IS, AND WHAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL UP THERE IS.
BUT CLEARLY PEOPLE WANNA SEE SOMETHING DONE.
I KNOW IF A ROUNDABOUT IS DONE, I THINK I'VE HAD AT LEAST ENOUGH CONVERSATIONS TO KNOW WHAT WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE SOME MORE LAND ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF 2 0 1, WHICH NOW BELONGS TO THE METRO PARKS.
I DON'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST KIND OF HAVING A DISCUSSION HERE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF METRO PARKS WOULD GIVE US THAT PROPERTY.
I MEAN, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT BETHEL SOLD TO METRO PARKS IS TO KEEP US FROM GETTING IT.
SO NOW THAT THEY HAVE IT, CAN WE EVEN GET THAT PROPERTY? OR WHAT DOES IT DO TO HAVE TO, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE TO ACQUIRE IF WE COULDN'T GO EAST TO MOVE AROUND ABOUT FURTHER WEST UP INTO THE PARTS THAT THE CITY OWNS? SO I JUST WANNA HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S IDEAS ARE HEARD SO I HOPE WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION UP HERE ON WHAT SOME PEOPLE THINK AND,
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AND HOWEVER WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD IS HOWEVER WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD.BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S OPINION AND EVERYBODY'S, UM, IDEAS ARE AT LEAST TALKED ABOUT AND ARE ON THE TABLE AND, AND HEARD.
SO I'M NOT, I THINK, SCOTT, YOUR HAND WAS RAISED FIRST.
I'LL COME DOWN TO SCOTT AND THEN I'LL GO TO MARK, AND THEN WE'LL JUST, WE'LL WORK OUR WAY DOWN, SCOTT.
RUSS, I KNOW THERE WAS ONE TALK ABOUT, UH, THE TOWN HALL MEETING, ABOUT LEAVING THE SOUTHBOUND ENTRANCE IN THE CARRIAGE TRAIL, LEAVING THAT OPEN AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE NORTHBOUND LANE WOULD GO UP TO THE LIGHT AND MAKE A, A LEFT IN THERE, BUT THE SOUTHBOUND WOULD JUST CURVE RIGHT IN THERE.
YOU HAVE TWO EXITS COMING OUT, BUT ONLY ONE GOING IN.
WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT ABOUT LEAVING THAT SOUTHBOUND CURVE OPEN? I KNOW, UH, AS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT'S DOING THE, UH, TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH I KNOWN AS THAT APPROVED THROUGH ODOT, UH, IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY ODOT AND THE CONSULTANT TO TAKE THOSE OUT AND HAVE THEM DIRECTLY GO TO THE INTERSECTION.
I THINK IT'S FOR SAFETY REASONS, SO IT WOULDN'T WORK BETTER HAVING TWO LANES COMING IN, LIKE YOU HAVE TWO LANES COMING OUT.
BUT THAT, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE.
I JUST KNOW THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE DISCUSSION.
I KNOW ODOT, I'M SAYING ODOT ORIGINALLY DID SAY THEY WANTED THOSE OUT IF WE WERE TO PUT A LIGHT IN.
SO IF IT HAS TO GO THROUGH ODOT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THOSE OUT.
I THINK I HEARD THE MAYOR SAY UNTIL RECENTLY WE HADN'T TALKED ABOUT A ROUNDABOUT.
IT WAS A TRAFFIC LIGHT IN, IN MY BRAIN, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A TRAFFIC LIGHT ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHEN WE AUTHORIZED ROB SCHOMER TO, TO DO THIS.
AND AS YOU KNOW, I'VE TRIED TO SUPPORT DON WEBB WHO HAD, HAD SOME INTEREST IN AND WAS ANXIOUS TO GET SOMETHING DONE.
WE TALKED ABOUT DON'T BE IN A HURRY IF WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN A HURRY IS WRONG.
TAKE YOUR TIME AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT.
I THINK I PRETTY MUCH CONVEYED EVERYTHING THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING.
WHAT'S YOUR OPINION? UM, SO FIRST, I I, YES, YOUR POINTS OF ACCURACY, AT LEAST SUM UP, UH, STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE AND WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE, UH, TO COLLECTIVELY SEE HAPPEN TO THE GENERAL DIALOGUE.
UH, I THINK, UH, AND, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EACH MEMBER OF STAFF INDIVIDUALLY, BUT I WANT TO TAKE THE COLLECTIVE COMMENTS FROM VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS AND MONTHS.
UM, I THINK THAT IF STAFF'S INTERPRETATION OF COUNCIL'S COMMENTS AND CONCERNS IS THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
UH, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS THE WAY TO GO OVER TIME.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT LONG TERM, I THINK PERHAPS THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL OR THAT, EXCUSE ME, THE TRAFFIC, UH, ROUNDABOUT, I THINK IS PROBABLY, UH, REALLY THE IMPROVEMENT THAT MINIMIZES ACCIDENTS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
I MEAN, WE CAN NEVER TAKE THOSE AWAY.
UH, BUT I THINK IT'S THE, IT'S THE AVENUE.
IT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT THAT REDUCES, UH, ACCIDENT RISK THE GREATEST.
AND I THINK THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE BOTH CAN EXIST OVER TIME.
UH, I THINK THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS, WHETHER OR NOT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL GOES IN FIRST, OR WHETHER OR NOT WE WAIT, AND MAYBE WE NEVER DO A, A ROUNDABOUT, OR MAYBE WE WAIT AND WE PUT IN A ROUNDABOUT.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT HAPPENS AS PART OF THIS PROJECT IS RIGHT NOW THAT INTERSECTION IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY, REGARDLESS OF TRAFFIC SIGNAL OR ROUNDABOUT.
THAT INTERSECTION WILL COME UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY, AND THEN THE CITY CAN REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT.
AND AS WE JUST HEARD, SPEED IS A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTING CAUSES TO THESE ACCIDENTS.
SO RIGHT FROM THE START, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO POSITIVELY AFFECT THE TRAFFIC CONDITION AT THAT LOCATION.
WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE A SIGNAL OR WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE, UH, THE TRAFFIC, UH, ROUNDABOUT, THE ROUNDABOUT WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL LAND.
UH, IT WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL LAND, MOST
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LIKELY FROM, UH, UM, AN ENTITY THAT WILL BE LESS THAN WILLING.NOT SAYING THAT METRO PARKS WON'T WANT TO COOPERATE, NOT SAYING THAT METRO PARKS WON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE, BUT THIS BECOMES VERY, UH, VERY POLITICAL.
IT BECOMES VERY, I THINK, UM, COMPLEX.
IT'S A COMPLEX SITUATION TO NAVIGATE THROUGH.
UH, I THINK ADDITIONALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STUDY TO JUSTIFY, RIGHT? SO NOW WE HAVE WILLING PARTNERS IN, UH, ACQUIRING THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY, ESTABLISHING THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
UH, WE HAVE PARTNERS TO DO THAT.
UH, AND SO THAT, THAT MAKES FOR, FOR THE TRAFFIC FLIGHT? FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, TO EXPAND BEYOND THAT, AND, UM, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT ADDITIONAL STUDIES.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL RESEARCH THAT'S GONNA TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TO JUSTIFY THE NEED FOR THE RIGHT, FOR THE ADDITIONAL LAND IF WE CANNOT NEGOTIATE, UM, UH, A TRANSACTION WITH THE, UM, UH, WITH THE, UH, UM, WITH THE METRO PARKS.
AND ALSO REMEMBER WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO NOT JUST CONCERNS OF COUNCIL, RIGHT? BUT COUNCIL, BUT CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND, UH, NOT A ROUNDABOUT, I DON'T THINK IS WHAT'S BEEN ASKED FOR.
I, I THINK BETHEL SCHOOLS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE, THEY, I THINK MADE A SPECIFIC REQUEST, IF I REMEMBER THE MINUTES CORRECTLY FOR A SIGNAL AT THAT LOCATION.
UM, AND I'M, I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE AMICABLE TO ANY TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT, BUT THAT IS THE IMPROVEMENT THAT'S BEEN, AT LEAST THAT I CAN RECALL PUBLICLY, UH, THE ONE THAT THAT'S BEEN, UH, ASKED FOR SPECIFICALLY.
SO I THINK, UH, MR. CAMPBELL, I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA RAMBLE ON, BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS A TIME AND A PLACE FOR BOTH OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND IF COUNSEL WANTS TO BE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? SO, UM, SO IN THIS INSTANCE, UH, THE TIME AND THE PLACE OF, IF COUNSEL'S GOING TO ACT AND BE PREPARED WHEN, UH, THIS BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT OCCURS TO PROVIDE FOR A SAFETY IMPROVEMENT, A NEAR IMMEDIATE SAFETY IMPROVEMENT OR NEAR TERM SAFETY IMPROVEMENT, THEN THE SIGNAL IS THE WAY TO GO.
AND THE COUNCIL AND STAFF CAN CONTINUE TO RESEARCH AND EVALUATE AND BRING FORWARD AN APPROPRIATE PROPOSAL.
AND THAT COULD TAKE SEVERAL YEARS TO BRING FORWARD, UH, THIS PROPOSAL FOR, UH, A ROUNDABOUT, UM, AT, AT THIS LOCATION.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT SUBDIVISION AND, AND WHAT THE POTENTIAL FUTURE OF THAT SUBDIVISION LOOKS LIKE.
AND THAT COULD ALSO IMPACT THE DESIGN OF THE PERMANENT IMPROVEMENT THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT.
AND WE WANT TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THIS IS LONG TERM, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE WOULD BE BRINGING IN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE LANES, RIGHT? WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THAT TO A SINGLE POINT.
WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE CONFLICT.
WE WOULD NEED TO DO THAT WITH A ROUNDABOUT IN THE FUTURE ANYWAY.
SO SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO BRING, UH, THE INGRESS AND EGRESS INTO THAT SUBDIVISION DOWN TO A SINGLE POINT, UH, IS GOING TO BE HELPFUL.
WHETHER OR NOT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL REMAINS OR WHETHER OR NOT WE BRING FORWARD THE ROUNDABOUT IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN I, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER COMPONENT IS, IS THAT THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY AN INVESTMENT WASTED.
THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE COULD MAKE, UH, SEVERAL OF THESE COMPONENTS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, IF THEY MEET THE RIGHT, UH, METRICS AND MEASURES TO BE RELOCATED AND UTILIZED IN ANOTHER, IN, UH, OF INTERSECTIONS, UH, WITHIN THE CITY IN THE FUTURE.
SO, UH, NOT ALL IS LOST IN THE INVESTMENT THAT THE CITY MIGHT MAKE IN THE INITIAL TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
SO AGAIN, I'M TAKING ALL THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD IN THE VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS, UH, THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE, THE, UH, PUBLIC SERVICES DIVISION, KIND OF SUMMARIZING THEM THERE, BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY TO YIELD THE FLOOR TO, UH, TO THE ENGINEER, TO THE PLANNER FOR THEIR, THEIR COMMENTS ON THAT, THAT SUMMARY.
COULD WE CONTINUE AND DO THAT? COULD, COULD WE HEAR FROM RUSS AND COULD WE HEAR FROM AARON? SURE.
BRIAN, I APPRECIATE YOUR LEVEL OF ENTHUSIASM FOR A POSSIBLE CHANGE RIGHT AT THE LAST MOMENT,
SO, SO I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE, THE LONG TERM PLAY FOR THAT INTERSECTION IS PROBABLY A ROUNDABOUT, BUT IN THE INTERIM, WE'VE GOT OTHER ISSUES THAT WE WOULD NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS.
AND THE, THE SHORT SHOOT FROM WHERE WE'VE GOT FOUR LANES GOING NORTH TO THEN WHEN YOU GET IN FRONT OF WATERSTONE, UM, GOES DOWN, TAPERS DOWN TO, TO TWO LANES.
UH, AND THEN, SO I THINK WE HAVE, AND PLUS WE ARE CONSIDERING, UM, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THE, THE PARCEL SOUTH OF, OF THAT, UM, OF THAT INTERSECTION, WHICH ALSO IMPACTS THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY DESIGN AND THE DESIGN OF THE ROADWAY.
UM, ON, UH, ON, ON BRANT ON 2 0 1 HEADING NORTH.
SO I THINK IN THE INTERIM, OR IN THE, IN THE, IN THE SHORTER TIMEFRAME, THE SHORTER TIMEFRAME IS PROBABLY FIVE TO 10 YEARS WITH THE, THE WAY THESE THINGS PLAY OUT, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS, IS, IS, IS FINE.
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SAFETY ISSUE THAT, THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE, UM, HA HAVE, HAVE RAISED AS A CONCERN LONG-TERM THINKING.AND, UM, AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUB OF CARRIAGES TRAILS, YOU KNOW, PHASES MOVING FORWARD, IF THOSE OCCURS, PLUS HOW WE, UM, DESIGN THE SHORT SHOOT IN FRONT OF, UH, WATERSTONE.
AND THAT, UM, THE AREA THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO SELL EVENTUALLY ALL IMPACTS HOW WE WOULD DESIGN A ROUNDABOUT.
SO RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE KNOW AND HAVE THE GEOMETRY OR, OR INCLINATION YET THAT WE COULD EVEN EFFECTIVELY, I THINK DESIGN ONE AT THIS VERY MOMENT.
I THINK IT'S BEST TO, TO WAIT TILL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE LAND OF THE SOUTH.
BRING IT INTO A, A LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT THOSE TOTAL IMPROVEMENTS TO 2 0 1 FROM OUR CORP, OUR EXISTING CORPORATE BOUNDARY NOW TO THE, THE AREA TO THE FUTURE.
SO I, AS BRIAN SAID, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, EARLIER TODAY, THEY'RE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE DECISIONS.
UM, ONE CAN BE LOOKED AT AS, AS A NEAR TERM INTERIM SOLUTION THAT IS STILL PROBABLY FIVE, SEVEN YEARS AND, AND MAYBE 10 YEARS, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG THAT THAT AREA TAKES TO BUILD OUT.
RUSS? UH, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, I KIND OF AGREE WITH HIM.
UM, THE, UM, ONE THING IS WE ARE DOING A LOT OF ROADWAY WORK THAT CAN BE UTILIZED WITH THE TRAFFIC, UH, ROUNDABOUT LATER ON.
SO, UH, WE WOULD BE INSTALLING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THIS TIME, AND THAT IS, UH, AT THAT, THE SIGNAL ITSELF IS ROUGHLY LIKE THREE TO 400,000 TO PUT THE SIGNAL IN, BUT THE REST OF THE PROJECT IS, UH, IF YOU PUT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THAT SIGNAL IN WITH THE ROADWAY WORK, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, 1.5 OR $1.6 MILLION.
UM, SO I THINK, LIKE HE SAID, WE COULD PUT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN NOW AND WAIT A FEW YEARS TILL ALL THIS IS DEVELOPED, AND AT THAT POINT DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
THE ROADWAY COULD BE REVISED TO TAKE OUT THE SIGNAL AT THAT TIME, PUT THE ROUNDABOUT IN, AND YOU'D BE FOCUSED IN THAT AREA.
SO, UM, ALSO I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS WITH BETHEL TOWNSHIP WAS, UH, BUSES AND, UM, I THINK EITHER WAY BUSES COULD WORK, BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL MIGHT BE BETTER FOR BUSES, SCHOOL BUSES I'M REFERRING TO.
UM, BUT WHEN, IF THAT ANNEXATION DOES HAPPEN AND THAT DEVELOPS, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE, UH, ACCESS TO ROUTE 40 AT THAT TIME THAT BUSES COULD USE.
SO LATER ON, BUSES MAY NOT BE THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, I'M KIND OF AGREEING WITH THE TWO, THE OTHER TWO GUYS HERE.
AND, AND IF I COULD SAY ONE MORE THING, UM, THIS ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TEST SOME ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS THAT, THAT WERE BROUGHT UP HERE.
FOR EXAMPLE, MR. CAMPBELL, YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA STRIFE 438 LANE MILES OVERNIGHT, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE DESIGN, UH, STANDARDS, MAYBE NARROWER LANES, ACTUALLY HAVING SOME STREET TREES THAT GIVE THAT EFFECT OF VISUALLY NARROWING THE WIDTH OF THE STREETS TO, TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE UNCOMFORTABLE SO PEOPLE SLOW DOWN, UH, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING WE'VE HISTORICALLY DONE.
ANITA, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO SCOTT.
UM, DO YOU THINK YOUR RESIDENTS WOULD RATHER HAVE SOMETHING DONE NOW AND DO THE, UM, LIGHT, OR DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE A TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND MIGHT TAKE TWO MORE YEARS OR THREE MORE YEARS, OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE? I DON'T LIVE UP THERE, SO I, I DON'T KNOW OKAY.
NO, I MEAN, HONESTLY, UH, IN TALKING TO THE RESIDENTS UP THERE, IT IS PRETTY MUCH SPLIT.
UH, MY RESIDENTS AREN'T TRAFFIC EXPERTS.
UH, WHAT THEY ARE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UM, THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE, UH, GETTING NAILED AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO, UH, UNFORTUNATELY OUR BEAUTIFUL TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, STOPS AT THE CITY LIMITS.
AND SO YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DATA THERE FROM, I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR MY HEAD
UH, I WAS KIND OF HOPING YOU HAD IT LIKE SCRIBBLED IN A PAD SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU COULD TELL ME, UH, CHIEF, YOU CAN PROBABLY RECITE A, A FEW OF THE ACCIDENTS WE'VE HAD THERE AND, AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN, MY RECOLLECTION IS THEY'VE BEEN PEOPLE, UH, DOING THE LEFT TURN AND GETTING, UM, UH, WHAT'D YOU CALL THAT? UH, T-BONE.
SO, UH, TO, TO ASK THE RESIDENTS WHICH ONE IS BETTER.
I THINK WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT IS TO HAVE THE PROBLEM FIXED.
UM, I KNOW JIM JEFFRIES, HE'S A RESIDENT, HE LIVES UP THERE, HE'S IN THE, THE, UH, AUDIENCE TONIGHT.
AND, UM, UH, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS BACK AND FORTH ON IT.
MY BIGGEST SINGLE ISSUE IS THAT,
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UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT A LONG TIME AND NOTHING'S BEEN DONE.SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS A ROUNDABOUT, UH, MAY BE A BETTER SOLUTION, BUT I'M NOT HEARING THAT A ROUNDABOUT HAS BEEN, UH, VETTED ENOUGH TO WHERE I CAN HAVE SOME ASSURANCE THAT I'M GONNA SEE THIS THING NOW SOON.
UH, AND WHEN I SAY SOON, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN THIS DIG INTO IT UP THERE A YEAR AGO.
UH, BUT INSTEAD, WE'RE AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE STILL TALKING THIS OVER, I DO IT.
SO IF THE CONSENSUS IS, AND LEMME SEE IF I'M HEARING THIS RIGHT, WE'RE SAYING THAT WE CAN POINT OUR FUTURE TO A ROUNDABOUT THERE, AND IN THE MEANTIME PUT IN A TRAFFIC LIGHT AND, AND TAKE CARE OF THE SAFETY ISSUE.
UM, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, AT WHAT POINT WOULD A ROUNDABOUT COME INTO PLAY? WHEN, WHEN WILL WE SEE THAT? HOW MANY YEARS ARE WE TALKING BEFORE IT HAPPENS? WE'RE TALKING LAND ACQUISITION FROM, UH, METRO PARKS, WHICH I HAVE BEEN TOLD IS A DIFFICULT PROCESS.
MR. KOWSKI, IS THAT A CORRECT ASSUMPTION ON MY PART? UH, IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH METRO PARKS THAT THEY VERY MUCH VALUE THEIR OWNERSHIP, AND THEY PREFER TO, TO HOLD ONTO THAT OWNERSHIP AS, AS LONG AS AS POSSIBLE.
UH, AARON, YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT, UH, UH, WATERSTONE SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING IN UP THERE, YOU'RE NOT SURE OF WHAT THEIR FOOTPRINT OR WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND WHAT IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON A POTENTIAL TRAFFIC ROUNDABOUT.
UH, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THOSE DEVELOPMENTS COULD ACTUALLY, UH, ELIMINATE OR DRASTICALLY ALTER THE ABILITY TO PUT IN A ROUNDABOUT, UH, TO WHAT IMPACT WOULD THOSE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THEY WOULD DRASTICALLY RE UM, CHANGE THE IMPACT FOR PER SE, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT BASICALLY TWO LANES IN AND, AND OR TWO LANES, RIGHT? SO IF, UH, ONE LANE NORTHBOUND, ONE LANE SOUTHBOUND, IF WE WERE TO WANT TO CARRY ON THE, THE FOUR LANE STREET SECTION NORTHWARD, THAT WOULD CHANGE THE DESIGN OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED A, A DUAL LANE ROUNDABOUT OR A SINGLE LANE, THAT CHANGES THE GEOMETRY AND, AND THAT CHANGES HOW MUCH SPACE WE NEED.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T HAVE WORKED OUT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF, AT THIS MOMENT, WHAT TYPE OF, UM, ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEMAND IS GONNA BE PUT ON THIS INTERSECTION.
WE DON'T KNOW THE ABILITY FOR US TO MAKE THOSE, UM, UH, PARTICULARLY IN FRONT OF WATERSTONE, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN BUDGETED, IT'S NOT IN THE CITY, ET CETERA.
WE CAN COMPEL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, AT LEAST ON THE WEST SIDE FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT, THAT GET BUILT NORTH AND SOUTH.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WITH WATERSTONE 'CAUSE IT WASN'T IN, IN THE CITY.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR THE OURSELVES THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, BUDGETING THAT IN THE CIP IS GONNA TAKE SOME TIME.
AND SO I NEEDED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
UM, WHAT DO THE RESIDENTS WANT UP THERE? I CAN TELL YOU, DOES THE RESIDENTS WANT THE SITUATION REMEDY? AND I KNOW THEY WANT TO REMEDY QUICKLY.
I, I, UM, UH, MY HOUSE IS A HOUSE DIVIDED.
MY WIFE THINKS THEY'RE, UM, DIRECTLY FROM SATAN.
SO, UM, SO WE ARE A HOUSE DIVIDED, BUT, UH, IF A ROUNDABOUT IS A RIGHT ANSWER AT SOME POINT IN MY HEARING THAT WE CAN PUT IN THE LIGHT AND CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS THE ROUNDABOUT, IS, IS THAT THE MASTER PLAN? YEAH, I, I THINK AS WE, YES, MR. WEBB, I THINK AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I THINK THAT, UH, WE AS STAFF CAN COME TOGETHER AND, AND PUT DOWN SOME THOUGHTFUL MONIKERS, UH, THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO LEGISLATION THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, HEY, AT, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE UNDER THESE CONDITIONS.
ONCE WE'VE GOT THIS FUNCTIONAL SIGNAL IN, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE GONNA EVALUATE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE GONNA EVALUATE, AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE GONNA EVALUATE.
AND IF THE MARKERS AT TWO OF THESE THREE INDICATE, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE GAINED THROUGH, UH, A ROUNDABOUT, THEN WE WOULD INITIATE, UH, WE WOULD INITIATE THAT, THAT PROCESS
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TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT.SO, UM, I'M SHOOTING FROM THE HIP ON, ON THAT RIGHT NOW, SO WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, UM, UH, UM, AT THE STAFF LEVEL, BUT WE COULD BRING FORWARD, UM, THOSE THOUGHTS AND, UH, MEMORIALIZE THEM IN LEGISLATION.
UH, IF THIS WERE TO CONTINUE FORWARD, SO RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN COMPONENT, BUT AT THE TIME OF AWARD, LET'S SAY THAT WE DO THE DESIGN AND WE, WE, WE BRING IT BEFORE COUNCIL, AND THERE IS AN AWARD, UH, WE COULD INCLUDE AS, AS PART OF THAT LEGISLATION, UH, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS TO GO BACK AND REDESIGN, OR WE COULD BRING, UM, COMPANION LEGISLATION, UH, TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO STAFF, UM, AND FUTURE COUNCILS, UH, ABOUT, UH, COMING BACK AND REEVALUATING THE SITUATION FOR THE, THE CONSIDERATION OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
NOW, WITH REGARD TO WHAT'S BEFORE US HERE TONIGHT, AND THAT IS THE ENGINEERING ON THIS, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, UH, THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND SIGNALIZATION, WHAT TYPE OF ENGINEERING, UH, ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE? ARE THEY GONNA TAKE A MAHA LOOK AT THIS AND, UH, PERHAPS SUGGEST, UH, THINGS THAT I'M NOT SEEING ON THE, THE, THE MAP YOU'VE PROVIDED? OR ARE THEY JUST GONNA TAKE THIS MAP AND, UH, PUT THE NUMBERS TO IT? UM, WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, RUSS, IS WILL THEY LOOK AT THIS AND GO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE WE'RE ELIMINATING THE, UH, TURN IN TURNOUTS, WILL THEY LOOK AT THAT AND GO, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.
YOU SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
WHAT LEVEL OF EXPERTISE CAN WE EXPECT FROM THESE ENGINEERING FIRMS? UH, LIKE I SAID, OVER THE, THE MAP YOU GOT WAS, UH, DONE BY IBI, WHICH WAS THE, THE ENGINEER THAT DID ALL OF CARE TRAILS, UH, AND THEY WERE DOING THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
UM, SO THEY LAID IT OUT BASED ON WHAT THEY TRAFFIC STUDY, THAT, WHAT THEY SUBMITTED ODOT, AND WHAT COMMENTS THEY GOT BACK FROM ODOT.
SO THE ENGINEERS, CLIENT ENGINEERS, UM, THEY, LIKE I SAID, ON OTHER TRAFFIC SIGNALS BEFORE US BEFORE, BUT, UM, THEY WILL REANALYZE THE LAYOUT OF THOSE, THOSE ROADWAYS.
AND IF YOU, IF WE CAN TRY TO SEE WHETHER WE CAN KEEP THOSE TWO LANES COMING IN AND OUT.
BUT, UH, IF IT DEPENDS WHETHER WE'RE GONNA USE A HALF ODOT INVOLVED OR NOT, IT COMES ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
IF WE ANNEX IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ODOT AND WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
BUT, UM, IF WE DIDN'T, THEN, UH, IF THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWS THAT IT'S WARRANTED, WHICH I THINK IT IS GONNA BE, WE'RE ALMOST DONE WITH THAT.
UM, THEN EITHER WAY WE CAN GO THROUGH ODOT AND, AND WE, WHAT WE'D HAVE TO WITH WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US TO DO.
SO THE, THE NEW TRAFFIC, THE NEW COMPANY WILL LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND WE'LL HAVE THEM, UH, ANALYZE WHETHER THIS LAYOUT IS WHAT WE WANT.
I, I DO THINK THOSE SLIP LANES ARE CONTRIBUTING TO SOME OF THE ACCIDENTS THAT, THAT ARE OCCURRING BECAUSE, UM, PEOPLE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT SOMEONE TRAVELING SOUTHBOUND IS GOING TO TURN INTO CARRIAGE TRAILS AND THEY DON'T, AND THEN THEY GET HIT.
SO IF WE CAN ELIMINATE SOME OF THAT, THOSE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS AND, AND CAN MITIGATE THE HUMAN NATURE A LITTLE BIT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I THINK, AT LEAST ON THE TRAFFIC, UH, ACCIDENT SIDE OF IT.
UM, SO AS LONG YOU'VE TOUCHED ON IT, AARON, SO REGARDING THE LANE LAYOUT UP THERE, UM, IT, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE LANE, THE WAY THE LANE LAYOUT IS STRUCTURED AT THAT INTERSECTION IS PROBABLY A BIGGER CONTRIBUTOR THAN EVEN, UH, SIGNALIZATION IT.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU, UH, COME OUT OF CT AND HEAD SOUTHBOUND, UH, AND YOUR LANE RUNS OUT AND YOU'RE FORCED TO JAM OVER INTO THE LEFT LANE, UH, THAT WAS THE CAUSE OF ONE OF THE ACCIDENTS UP THERE.
UM, SO THE LANE IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES, DO YOU THINK WILL MAKE A, A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN ADDITION TO SIGNALIZATION? UH, I, I THINK, UH, HAVING A A THROUGH LANE, UM, HEADED NORTH IN ADDITION TO THE LEFT BOUND LANE WILL DRASTICALLY, DRASTICALLY REDUCE, UH, SOME OF THE REAR END ACCIDENTS.
UM, UH, AND THEN ALSO AS FAR AS THE T-BONES, I THINK JUST PULLING IT DOWN TO WHERE WE ARE LIMIT LIMITING OR REDUCING THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT POINTS WILL, WILL HELP OVERALL.
UH, THAT'S ALL FOR NOW, YOUR HONOR.
I'LL COME BACK TO, WELL, ONE THING I'M NOT FOR APPROVING A PROJECT THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TEARING IT OUT IN FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, I, I THINK AROUND OUR WHOLE CITY WE HAVE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, OF COURSE, WE DON'T HAVE ROUNDABOUTS THROUGH OUR CITY.
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ROUNDABOUTS IS THE BEST OPTION, BUT WE GOT TOO MANY UNKNOWNS ABOUT TRYING TO GET PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY IN THIS SITUATION RIGHT HERE.I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF APPROVE THIS, I WOULD LOOK AT THE LONG TERM APPROVING THE TRAFFIC LIGHT TO STAY THERE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE TOO COSTLY TO PUT TRAFFIC LIGHTS IN THERE AND THEN TEAR 'EM OUT UNLESS WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY OPTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE MAST ARMS ARE NOT CHEAP, WOULD BE, IF IT EVER WAS APPROVED, PULL THOSE OUT AND PUT 'EM IN A DIFFERENT INTERSECTION, PROBABLY EITHER ON, YOU KNOW, TROY OR BRAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UH, I, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK FORWARD TO, IF WE DO APPROVE THIS FOR IT TO BE LONG TERM, I WOULDN'T WANNA PUT SOMETHING IN AND TEAR IT BACK OUT.
I NEED TO ADJUST SOMETHING OR YOU OKAY.
UM, I'M OF THE MINDSET THAT, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD FIX THE ROADS BEFORE WE DO FURTHER DEVELOPMENT.
AND TO ME, THE ROUNDABOUT IS THE SMARTEST WAY BECAUSE IT, IT INVOLVES, UM, TRAFFIC CALMING.
IT'S, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN WITHIN CARRIAGE TRAILS.
UM, AND WE COULD DESIGN IT, IF YOU PUT IT IN FIRST, THEN ANY FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT UP IN THAT AREA ALREADY KNOWS HOW TO PUT, MAKE THEIR DESIGN CONFORM TO THE TRAFFIC THERE.
UM, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF PUTTING IN A TRAFFIC LIGHT AND THEN TAKING IT OUT LATER.
EVEN IF WE CAN SALVAGE PART OF IT, THAT'S JUST LIKE PUTTING A BANDAID ON A SITUATION.
AND MANY, MANY YEARS AGO BEFORE THEY PUT, UH, THE FAIRFIELD COMMON MALLS IN, THEY GOT, THEY GOT ALL OF THE TRAFFIC, ALL THE LANES, ALL THE ROAD WORK DONE BEFORE THEY EVEN PUT IT IN.
AND IT MADE IT SO MUCH EASIER TO, TO GET THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN BEFORE YOU DO ALL THE BUILDING.
UM, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, OH, AND THEN THOSE ROUNDABOUTS, THE ROUNDABOUT WHEN WE PUT IT IN, WOULD HAVE LANES THAT WOULD BE WIDE ENOUGH TO NOT ONLY ACCOMMODATE THE BUSES THAT WOULD TRAVEL THROUGH THERE, BUT IF TRAFFIC WAS CLOSED DOWN OR HAD TO BE REROUTED OFF OF 70, THAT THE ROUNDABOUT WOULD BE WIDE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE SEMIS THAT WOULD GO THERE TO DETOUR UP TO 40.
SO I JUST, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE SMARTER WAY TO GO.
AND, UM, THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE IS WHY WOULD WE NOT BE ABLE TO USE EMINENT DOMAIN IN ORDER TO GET THE PROPERTY FROM METRO PARKS IF, UH, THEY WERE RESISTANT AND, AND WE'RE JUST SPECULATING THAT THEY THEY WILL BE RESISTANT? UM, GO AHEAD.
SO I, I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT A, AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NEED TO, TO CONSIDER.
FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE CHANGING BEHAVIOR AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE ENVIRONMENT IS GOING TO BE CHANGING, RIGHT? SO EVEN SO STAYING WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UH, FOR JUST A MINUTE, THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT'S GOING TO OCCUR.
THE SPEED LIMIT WILL BE REDUCED AND THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WOULD, WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED.
SO THOSE ARE ELEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO CHANGE EXISTING BEHAVIORS.
SO THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH, AND WE'RE ADDING A LANE.
AND SO THE CONDITIONS WHICH EXIST TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE ACCIDENTS TODAY WOULD NOT BE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AS WE'RE MONITORING FORWARD, AS, AS WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD, THE WORLD AROUND US WILL BE CHANGING.
UH, ASSUMING THE WORLD WILL BE CHANGING WITH, UH, THE ANNEXATION, UM, OF WHAT WOULD BE PHASE TWO.
SO NOW WE'RE CREATING, I SHOULD SAY WE NOW THE DEVELOPER AND THE, THE PROJECT IS CREATING MORE ENTRY POINTS ON AN ACCESS POINTS AND APPROVED ACCESS POINTS ON 40.
AND, UH, ALSO PROVIDING ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS, UH, WHO ARE ALSO GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO DIFFERENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
SO THE CONDITIONS WE SEE TODAY THAT WE'RE RESPONDING TO WILL NOT BE THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE EVALUATING, UM, FUTURE NEEDS UNDER, UM, AS WE PROGRESS.
I, I THINK SECONDLY, UM, AND I'LL DEFER TO THE ENGINEER ON, UH, ON THE ISSUE OF THE EMINENT DOMAIN CLAIM.
THE DEBATE THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW, I THINK IS EXACTLY THE POSITION.
IF I WAS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF METRO PARKS, IT'S THE EXACT POSITION THAT I'M GOING TO TAKE TO DEFEND YOUR DEMAND FOR EMINENT DOMAIN.
YOU CAN'T PROVE TO ME THAT ONE IS
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GOING TO BE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN THE OTHER, UM, AT REDUCING TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS.STATISTICS MIGHT SAY ONE THING, DESIGN EXPERTS MIGHT SAY OTHER, BUT THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS, CAN YOU PROVE TO ME THAT CONSTRUCTING A ROUNDABOUT AND TAKING ACREAGE FROM MY ORGANIZATION IS ACTUALLY GOING TO IMPROVE OR TO REDUCE, UH, THE ACCIDENTS OR THE ISSUES THAT A STREETLIGHT OR THAT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WOULD REDUCE? AND I'M SURE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY SOME STUDY SOMEWHERE THAT IF YOU GIVE IT LONG ENOUGH, UH, AND UH, ENOUGH ATTENTION MIGHT PROVE THAT, BUT YOU'RE ADDING TIME, EFFORT, AND ENERGY TO A PROCESS TO IMPROVE A, A, A A, A SAFETY SITUATION THAT ALREADY YOU'VE HEARD FROM, FROM MR. WEBB, HAS BEEN DELAYED SO LONG FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO DELAY IT AGAIN OR HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO DELAY AGAIN.
SO, UM, YES, EMINENT DOMAIN, YOU COULD TAKE PROPERTY, BUT EMINENT DOMAIN ISN'T JUST A, A RIGHT, THAT CAN BE ASSERTED.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD, THAT THAT WOULD BE MY RESPONSE TO YOUR COMMENTS.
YES, YOU COULD USE EMINENT DOMAIN, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO JUSTIFY THE NEED FOR THE TAKING.
AND I JUST DON'T KNOW, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT THE ENGINEER, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A STUDY OUT THERE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A PROCEDURE OUT THERE THAT YOU COULD LEVERAGE, UM, ONE OVER THE OTHER WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING THE SIGNAL, WHICH DOESN'T REQUIRE THE TAKING OF LAND, UH, TO THE, UM, UH, TO THE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH WOULD SO WELL, OKAY.
AND, AND I RESPECT YOUR OPINION, UM, BUT, UH, WE JUST DON'T KNOW, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH LAND CAN WE EVEN ESTIMATE HOW MUCH LAND OUT OF, UH, METRO PARKS WE WOULD NEED? SO AGAIN, I THINK AS YOU HEARD THE, THE PLANNER SAY, THERE ARE TOO MANY FACTORS RIGHT NOW FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE.
I MEAN, WE COULD COME UP WITH A WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE COULD COME UP WITH THE BEST CASE SCENARIO, BUT ACTUALITY, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, UM, FROM, UH, WHAT YOU'VE HEARD, UH, THE PLANNER SAY TONIGHT TO BE ABLE TO ACCURATELY IDENTIFY WHAT WE WOULD REALLY NEED.
UH, AARON, WHAT OTHER OPTIONS DID WE CONSIDER? UH, SO THE, THE, WE'VE REALLY CONSIDERED MAINLY TWO, UM, A, A TRAFFIC LIGHT OF, OF SOME DESIGN, RIGHT? UH, OR, UH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF, UH, IB IBS DID A NUMBER OF, UH, POTENTIAL ROUNDABOUTS IN THIS LOCATION.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE REALLY THE ONLY TWO RECENTLY, UH, ARE THE ONLY TWO, UM, OPTIONS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE SOMEWHAT EXPLORED.
I THINK WE'VE EXPLORED MORE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT BECAUSE STAFF FELT THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE GIVEN FROM, UM, COUNSEL.
WE HAD, UH, ONE POINT TALKED ABOUT, UM, TAKING THAT, I'LL CALL IT A DIVIDER, THAT ENTRY POINT, UH, OUT AND, AND EXPANDING THE ROAD, I THINK, TO FOUR LANES FROM WHY WOULD WE NOT DO THAT, UH, TO EXPAND BRANT, LIKE FROM WHEN, UH, WHAT IS THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT SEEMS DEVELOP GABLES GABLES GABLES, THE GABLES GABLES, I'M SORRY, FROM THE GABLES ALL THE WAY UP, UH, SOUTH.
WELL, AND SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT THE, UM, THE GEOMETRY ON 2 0 1.
SO WE CAN COMPEL, WE, WE THINK IT SHOULD PROBABLY GO FOUR, FOUR LANES TO CARRY THAT SAME GEO GEOMETRY NORTHBOUND.
UM, 'CAUSE RATHER THAN PEOPLE SWITCHING IN AND OUT, UM, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SOMEWHAT COMPEL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO BE MADE, UH, JUST SOUTH OF, OF THIS INTERSECTION AS PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT PARCEL.
WHAT WE CAN'T COMPEL IS THE 200 FEET OF FRONTAGE THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE APARTMENTS THAT WERE BUILT, YOU KNOW, 50, 10 YEARS AGO, UM, WHICH WERE NOT, THAT, THAT FRONTAGE WASN'T IN THE CITY.
UH, AND SO AT THE TIME, WE COULDN'T COMPEL THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH MEANS IT'LL FALL ON US AT SOME POINT.
SO, SO THAT, THAT LAND, IS THAT OWNED BY DECK? YES.
THAT, THAT IS THE PART OF THE LAND THAT, UM, WILL, IS GOING TO BE, UM, EVENTUALLY DEEDED TO, TO US AS, AS PART OF ANY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S THE, THE SIGNALIZATION OR A ROUNDABOUT.
SO WE WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE LAND FROM, UM, OUR CORPORATE
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BOUNDARY GOING NORTH TO JUST ABOVE THE, JUST NORTH OF THE CURRENT INTERSECTION.SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, AT A FUTURE POINT.
I, I GUESS MY, MY POINT BEING, UM, I'D RATHER GET THE FINAL SOLUTION NOW, UM, AND NOT REDO, UH, I THINK THAT THE, UH, ROUNDABOUT IS THE, UH, IS THE OPTIMUM SOLUTION AND THAT WE NEED TO, UM, DO SOME MORE, UH, GET SOME MORE PRELIMINARY INFORMATION ON EVERYTHING THAT THAT WOULD TAKE AND, UH, AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND GIVE US SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON, ON EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GO FORWARD.
BECAUSE I JUST, I CAN'T SUPPORT SPENDING MONEY RIGHT NOW ON A MASTER ARM AND A, A SIGNALING, UH, A SIGNAL THERE EVEN.
EVEN WITH A SUGGESTION THAT IT'S GONNA CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.
I DON'T THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS GONNA FIX THE PROBLEM.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA FIX IT.
I'M GONNA, JUST REAL QUICK, I'M GONNA ADD SOMETHING HERE.
SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, SCOTT, AND I KIND OF HEARD, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT WORRYING ABOUT WHAT THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION MIGHT BE, AND THAT IF WE FIX IT NOW, I MEAN, LOOK, I MEAN, LET'S BE HONEST, THERE ISN'T ANY SINGLE THING THAT WE CAN DO IN THE CITY ON ANY OF THESE ROADS AND SAY THAT IF WE MAKE THIS FIX AND WE MAKE THIS ADJUSTMENT AND WE DO THIS CONSTRUCTION NOW, THAT ISN'T GONNA CHANGE 10, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
THAT'S JUST, THAT'S NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO THINKING.
COULD YOU IMAGINE WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED IF WE SAID, WELL, LET'S, LET'S NOT BUILD BRANT PIKE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT MIGHT NEED TO BE FOUR LANES.
UH, YOU KNOW, IN 2000 WHEN THEY BUILT IT IN 1980, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.
THERE'S AN ISSUE UP THERE, THERE'S A PROBLEM UP THERE THAT DOES NEED TO BE MET.
AND IF THE FUTURE SITUATION CHANGES BASED ON DATA AND, AND, AND IT'S 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT DOESN'T, I MEAN, LOOK, I I'M JUST GONNA SAY I, I'M NOT AT ALL INTERESTED IN SITTING HERE AND WAITING FOR MORE PRELIMINARY REPORTS AND FIND OUT IF WE CAN BUY EXTRA LAND AND HAVE SOMEBODY GET T-BONED UP THERE AND GET, AND GET KILLED IN AN ACCIDENT WHILE WE'RE WAITING AROUND HERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
AND I THINK WE HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY LUCKY TO THIS POINT THAT NOBODY HAS DIED AT THAT INTERSECTION.
AND IF WE HAVE A PLANNER WHO'S GIVEN US HIS OPINION, WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WHO'S GIVEN US HIS OPINION.
WE HAVE ANOTHER CITY ENG, UH, CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER WHO'S, WHO'S GIVEN US HIS OPINION FOR WHAT I KNOW IS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A, A FIX UP THERE.
I WOULD, I WOULD EVEN GO AS FAR AS SAYING THAT PROBABLY NONE OF US UP HERE EVEN UNDERSTOOD WHAT HAD TO HAPPEN IN TERMS OF LAND ACQUISITION, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BETHEL TOWNSHIP, BETWEEN MIAMI COUNTY, AND BETWEEN WHAT WE OWNED.
I BET ALL OF US UP HERE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WOULD'VE HAD TO HAVE WENT IN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, LET ALONE EXTRA LAND THAT WE MIGHT NEED FOR A ROUNDABOUT.
SO THE ROUNDABOUT WAS NEVER, EVER TALKED ABOUT MAYOR.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
MARK, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A ROUNDABOUT TONIGHT.
THE FIRST TIME I HEARD A ROUNDABOUT BROUGHT UP IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE WAS MAYBE THREE MONTHS AGO.
IT WAS BROUGHT UP THREE MONTHS AGO, AND I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE CAN HAVE BOTH, BUT A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO GET CLEAR FROM MY TEAM OF EXPERTS, BRIAN, AARON, RUSS, WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT THAT THIS WILL, THIS WON'T SOLVE ANYTHING.
IS THAT TRUE? IS THAT NOT TRUE? MEANING THE TRAFFIC LIGHT? NO, I, I WOULD DISAGREE.
I WOULD THINK IT'S MY OPINION BASED ON WHAT THE ENGINEER AND THE PLANNER HAVE, HAVE SHARED WITH ME FOR ME TO MAKE MY PRESENTATION AND MY, MY COMMENTS AT THE TOWN HALL THAT YES, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND THE REDUCED, UH, SPEED LIMIT, UH, ONCE THIS PROPERTY IS BROUGHT INTO THE CITY AND ESTABLISHED AS RIGHT OF WAY WILL IMPROVE THE CONDITIONS, UH, THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO SEVERAL OF THE CRASHES THAT HAVE HAPPENED AT THAT INTERSECTION.
AARON, IT IS YOUR OPINION THAT THE BEST SOLUTION IS A ROUNDABOUT, BUT WE HAVE ISSUES RIGHT NOW IN PLAY THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE RESOLVED IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO.
THAT'S GOING TO PLAY INTO HOW THE ROUNDABOUT IS CONSTRUCTED.
RUSS, YOU INDICATED IN ADDITION TO THE MASSED ARMS AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS,
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THAT THE ACTUAL WORK IN REDESIGNING THAT INTERSECTION, NOT ALL THAT WORK IS GONNA GO TO WASTE WHEN WE GO TO THE NEXT PHASE TO A ROUNDABOUT, RIGHT? A LOT OF THE LANE WORK THAT'S FURTHER UP AND DOWN NORTH AND SOUTH OF THAT CAN BE USED.AND SO IT WON'T BE ALL OF IT THE SAME, BUT I MEAN, A LOT OF IT CAN BE USED IN THAT FUTURE IF WE DECIDED TO DO AROUND, WELL, DON WEBB, SIR, YOU ACTUALLY CALLED ME AT HOME ONE EVENING.
I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN IT WAS, BUT IT WAS YEARS AGO, AND YOU ASKED ME FOR MY SUPPORT FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A RED LIGHT THAT'S YOUR WARD, OR IT WAS YOUR WARD.
NOW I THINK IT'S YOUR BRIAN, WHAT'S YOUR GUY'S OPINION TONIGHT? SURE, BRIAN.
UM, JUST, UH, JUST FROM THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO, I MEAN, I KNOW QUITE A FEW, PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIVE UP THERE.
AND I THINK THE PERCEPTION THAT I HEAR IS, UH, AND I, I REALIZE I'M, I'M NEW TO COUNSEL, BUT I'M, YOU KNOW, THE PERCEPTION IS THAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT BRINGS UP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL ACCIDENTS, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I, MY OPINION, UM, AND I SHARE A, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I'VE, THAT I'VE SPOKE WITH AS WELL, UH, THE MAJORITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE.
UM, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT, UM, AND THAT'S THE, UH, TAKES THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE WAY TO GO AND, YOU KNOW, THE PARTS ARE NOT GONNA GO TO WASTE, THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE DECIDE TO CHANGE IT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHATEVER HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, CHANGES IN THE CITY OR CHANGES IN THE LANDSCAPE, GREAT.
BUT I THINK THE PERCEPTION IS THAT, AND I THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE MAYBE UPSET, I DON'T, I, YOU KNOW, FRUSTRATED WITH MAYBE, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME THEY HEAR AN ACCIDENT, EVERY TIME THEY, YOU KNOW, SEE OR HEAR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, UH, AT THAT INTERSECTION, UH, WAS LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE MAYBE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN PREVENTED IF, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF IFS AND, AND MAYBES AND WE COULD'VES AND, AND I THINK, UH, THERE'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF TALK AND, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT THAT GOES INTO, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF SCENES AND STUFF, BUT I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MYSELF AS WELL.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE, UM, IN THE SHORT TERM, IF IT'S, IF IT'S, IF IT'S QUICKER, IF I THINK ANYTHING IS, IS REALLY BETTER THAN NOTHING, AND THEN JUST SITTING AROUND, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO 10, WHATEVER.
UM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK PEOPLE, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE SAFETY, I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS, IT'S, IT'S WORTH IT TO ME.
WELL, UM, ARE OUR FOLKS FROM BURGESS AND NILES STILL ON THE CLOCK? YES, SIR.
UH, YOU'RE, UH, PAGE A SIX IN, IN, UH, IN THIS DOCUMENT, UH, YOU'RE PAGE A SIX SHOWS, UH, CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY, UH, WITH, UH, IF I'M COUNTING RIGHT, UH, TWO SERIOUS ACT, UH, TWO SERIOUS INJURIES IN A MINOR, MINOR INJURY ALL LOCATED AT ROUNDABOUTS.
UM, WHY AM I BRINGING THAT UP? I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FLIPPANT HERE.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT ROUNDABOUTS ARE THE PERFECT SOLUTION.
I THINK THEY'RE A GREAT SOLUTION.
I THINK THEY MIGHT BE AN, AN OPTIMAL SOLUTION BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT I DO KNOW THAT AN IMMEDIATE SOLUTION AND ONE THAT WILL, UH, GIVE THE, THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF ASSURANCE TO OUR RESIDENTS UP THERE IS TO, UM, GET MOVING ON THIS NOW.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA HAVE TO AGREE WITH, UH, UM, THE, THE NEW OWNER OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHT UP THERE.
UH, THAT, YEAH, I THINK IT'S TIME TO, TO, TO MOVE ON IT.
I, I JUST THINK WE OWE IT TO THE PEOPLE WE'VE BEEN PROMISING THIS TO FOR YEARS NOW TO GET THIS THING MOVING.
SO MAYOR, IF I COULD CONTINUE SURE.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP AFTER MONDAY? LET'S SAY I VOTE YES ON MONDAY AND, AND WE GET THE ENGINEERING MOVING.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S NEXT? UH, WE WOULD GO AHEAD WITH, UH, CLIENT AND JURORS TO START THE DESIGN.
UH, I'M ASSUMING, I DON'T HAVE A DATE ON THAT, BUT I WOULD ASSUME FOUR MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS AT THE MOST, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, BRING IT BACK HERE TO GO OUT TO BID.
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AND THEN CONSTRUCTION, UM, WOULD BE PROBABLY AT THE END OF THE YEAR, TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, AND PROBABLY A THREE TO FOUR MONTH CONSTRUCTION TIME.SO PROBABLY MARCH, APRIL? YEAH, IT MIGHT HAVE TO DO, THEY COULD PROBABLY DO SOME WORK IN THE FALL, BUT THEY'D PROBABLY BE FINISHING IN THE, IN THE SPRING.
WE COULD HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
UH, BRIAN, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING WITH SOME OF THAT STUFF, PAST ARMS, TRAFFIC LIGHTS IS, IS REPURPOSING THEM AT, AT OTHER LOCATIONS AND SO ON.
IF WE WIND UP IN A PLACE SEVERAL YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN WE REEVALUATE THE, UM, WHEN WE EVALUATE THE METRICS OF THAT INTERSECTION, IF THE, UH, IF THE, UM, TRAFFIC CIRCLE IS CALLED FOR, IF THAT'S, UH, THE NEXT METHOD TO IMPROVE SAFETY AT THAT LOCATION, YES.
THAT'S THE APPARATUS, THE CONTROL BOX, THE, THE MAED ARMS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
THAT WOULD BE, THOSE WOULD BE THE, UH, THE DEVICES THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO RELOCATE, UH, TO OTHER INTERSECTIONS.
AND IN CLOSING, MARK LIGHTNER, WHEN YOU SAY YOU'VE DONE TRAFFIC CONTROL IN CARRIAGE TRAILS, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE HAVE YOU DONE THAT AT? WHAT, WHAT STREET? UH, AT, THROUGHOUT UP AND DOWN CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY FROM.
AARON, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY? YES.
CHIEF LIGHTNER ARE, ARE YOU, ARE YOU TRYING TO REDUCE THE SPEED? YES.
AARON, ARE THOSE ROUNDABOUTS? YES.
AND WE'RE HAVING A SPEED PROBLEM AND ONE FASCINATION WITH A ROUNDABOUT IS IT CONTROLS SPEED BETTER.
I THINK I MIGHT KNOW WHERE YOU COULD USE THOSE MA ARMS LATER.
AND WOULD, WOULD THAT INTERSECTION AT BRANT PIKE AND CARRIAGE TRAILS LOOK SIMILAR TO OLD TROY PI CARRIAGE TRAILS WHEN WE'RE DONE? UH, SO THAT IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD, OR I'VE HEARD FROM SOME MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IS THAT YOU HAVE, UM, SOME STACKING THAT OCCURS ON, UH, OLD TROY PIKE BECAUSE IT'S, I'LL CALL IT HALF OF AN INTERSECTION.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN FULLY IMPROVED, UH, ON BRANT PIKE.
IT WILL BE A FULLY IMPROVED INTERSECTION BUILT TO OUR STANDARDS.
UM, CAN WE TELL ME THE SPEED LIMIT FROM 40 GOING SOUTH ON BRANT PIKE? I THINK IT'S 45.
SO 50 A CAR GOING SOUTHBOUND GOING 50 MILES AN HOUR.
AND THEN THEY, AND SOMEONE'S TRYING TO TURN NORTH FROM A DEAD STOP.
I'M IN FAVOR OF A STOPLIGHT TOMORROW.
WELL LOOK, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S, UM, THE HOUR GROWS LATER, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY TAKING THE TIME TO OFFER THEIR INPUT.
AND I THINK IF, IF NOTHING ELSE, THIS IS A DISCUSSION, AT LEAST AMONG THIS COUNCIL, WE HAVEN'T HAD TO DATE.
UM, AND, UM, JUST THE MORE YOU TALK ABOUT IT, WE HOPE WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA GET TO THE, THE BEST LEGISLATION AND THE BEST SOLUTION, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS.
SO I DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND EVERYBODY'S FEEDBACK.
UM, SO I'LL JUST SAY, SO AFTER THE DISCUSSION, I'M JUST GONNA ASK STAFF ONE LAST, YOU KNOW, ONE MORE TIME.
IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION STILL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, WITH THE ENGINEERING THE WAY IT IS AND, AND, UM, AWARDING THIS, UH, ENGINEERING DESIGN CONTRACT? YES, MS. BASED ON MY CONVERSATION TONIGHT, UM, AND PREVIOUSLY BY COUNSEL, IT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, THE MOST, UH, MOST EFFECTIVE DESIGNED A TRAFFIC SIGNAL FOR, UH, FUTURE INSTRUCTION.
SO I WILL ASK, LIKE I ALWAYS DO, I KNOW THERE SOME PEOPLE HAVE HAD SOME OBJECTIONS OVER LONG TERM OF THIS, BUT IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO MOVE, UH, THIS ON TO MONDAY NIGHT'S MEETING? CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? SURE.
CAN YOU CLARIFY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO KEEP THE TURN LANE OUTTA CARRIAGE TRAIL GOING SOUTH, WE MAKE A ROAD AND THAT BECOME ONE OF OUR LANES TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC OFF THERE? WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE? WE ALREADY OWN THE LAND.
UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LEAVING CARRIAGE TRAILS AND GOING TOWARDS HUBER, GOING SOUTH TOWARDS CUBA, GOING SOUTH.
SO IF WE COULD MAKE IT A LANE AND THEY CAN CONTINUE ON, AND THAT WAY THEY WOULD HAVE TWO LANES, UM, THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE PRESENTED TO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT'S DESIGNING IT.
'CAUSE I, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING.
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AS YOU GAVE THEM A LANE ALL THE WAY TO THE CORP LINE, UH, THEY'D HAVE THEIR OWN LANE.THEY'D PICK UP THEIR OWN LANE.
BUT I, I NEED TO CHECK WITH THEM.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT A FULL TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SO IF WE COULD ELIMINATE SOME OF THAT MERGING, THAT MIGHT TAKE OUT SOME OF THE, THE DRAG RACING.
'CAUSE THEN YOU, YOU'D HAVE YOUR OWN LANE AS YOU SWING OUT AND GO ON TO GRANDPA AND IF YOU GOT SOME PEOPLE, SO THEY WOULDN'T BE SO MUCH OF A STACKING, ELIMINATE SOME OF THE PEOPLE STACKING AND THEN THEY GO ON.
IF THAT CAN BE DONE, WE'LL FIND OUT.
I, LIKE I SAID, ODOT HAD REVIEWED IT AND AT THAT POINT THEY TOLD US TO TAKE 'EM AWAY.
UH, MR. JEFFRIES WANTED TO SPEAK SINCE HE'S A RESIDENT OUT THERE.
CAN WE ALLOW HIM TO SPEAK? LOOK, I MEAN, I, THAT, I MEAN, VERY CLEAR, JIM.
I MEAN, IT SETS A PRECEDENT OF A WORK SESSION THAT WE'RE JUST, THAT WE JUST, WE DON'T DO WHEN WE, WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I EXPECTED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, HEAR, HEAR YOU TALK.
UM, BUT THE COUNCIL MEETING, YOU'RE CERTAINLY MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME AND, UM, AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
YEAH, IT'S NOT THE DEBATE ANYTHING, IT WAS JUST THE
SO WITHOUT ANY MAJORITY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY, THEN WE WILL SEE IT THEN.
[ Thomas Cloud Park Path Resurfacing - Award Contract]
ITEM THREE E TOM CLOUD PARK, UH, PATH RESURFACING AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.RUSS, I'M NOT GONNA THROW ANY WRENCHES INTO THIS, SO WE'LL JUST HEAR WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY.
UH, THIS LEGISLATION HAS ALLOWED THE CITY TO AWARD A CONTRACT FOR THE ASPHALT PAVING OF ALL THE EXISTING WALKING PATHS WITHIN TOM CLOUD PARK.
UH, WE DID, I DID INCLUDE A MAP ON THAT TOO.
UH, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 14,000 FEET OF PASS WITHIN THE PARK.
UH, MOST OF THOSE PATHS ARE, UH, FIVE TO SIX FEET WIDE.
UH, AFTER WE PUT, UH, THIS OUT THE BID, WE CALLED A FEW CON PAVING CONTRACTORS AND, BUT WE ONLY RECEIVED ONE BID FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, THE BIDDER WAS BREWER BLACKTOP AND THEIR BID WAS $229,997 AND 57 CENTS.
UM, FOR THIS PROJECT, WE DID RECEIVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT MONEY FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UH, LATE LAST YEAR, AND IT WAS FOR $80,000.
UM, THE GRANT DOES REQUIRE A MINORITY PARTICIPATION, AND THE ER BLACKTOP IS WORKING TO FULFILL THAT REQUIREMENT.
UH, THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE THAT WE HAD DONE TWO YEARS AGO WAS 192,000, ROUGHLY.
AND SO WE DO FEEL THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A ONE BID, WE FEEL THAT THE BID ISN'T REALLY OUT OF LINE SINCE IT'S TWO YEARS AGO.
UH, ER BLACKTOP IS A LOCAL COMPANY LOCATED ACTUALLY NEAR TOM CLOUD PARK, AND IT HAS DONE WORK A LOT IN THE DAYTON AREA.
AND THE NOT TO EXCEED ON THIS WORK IS, UH, WE HAVE 253,000 AND THE FUNDS FOR THIS CITY.
UH, THE CITY WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE PARK AND REC FUND.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THE REASON THIS PROJECT HAS TAKEN SO LONG, BECAUSE IT'S, WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
AND, UM, THE CITY ORIGINALLY HAD GRANT MONEY FROM M-V-R-P-C TO DO THIS PROJECT.
AND WE DID GO OUT TO BID ON THAT, AND WE COULDN'T GET ANY BIDDERS TO TAKE TO, TO EVEN BID ON THE PROJECT BECAUSE, UH, THEY, UH, AT THAT TIME THEY FELT THEY COULDN'T GET ANY MINORITY CONTRACTORS 'CAUSE IT WAS MORE OF A REQUIREMENT FOR THEM.
AND ALSO, UH, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO ALL THE PAPERWORK THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH FEDERAL FUNDING.
SO BECAUSE THE PROJECT WASN'T BIG ENOUGH IS WHAT IT FELT LIKE.
YEAH, I REMEMBER, I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT THAT.
SO WHEN THAT HAPPENED, WE DECIDED TO DROP THAT FUNDING AND WE WENT FOR THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.
SO THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WHY THIS HAS TAKEN SO LONG, BUT OKAY.
NOW THIS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET THIS DONE HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS IF WE GET THIS PASSED.
RUSS? YES, RUSS, UH, DID THEY GIVE US A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WE ASKED FOR ON THE BLOCK GRANT? UH, WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR $80,000, I THINK.
IS THAT ONE, HOW COME IF OUR ESTIMATE WAS HIGHER THAN THAT? UH, I THINK, WELL, I SAID THE ESTIMATE WAS, UH, WHAT WAS IT, 192? UM, I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS A PERCENTAGE.
IT MUST HAVE BEEN LIKE 40% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I, I'M NOT SURE.
I THINK, UH, AT THE TIME SOMEBODY ELSE HAD DONE THAT.
I DIDN'T DO THE APPLICATION ON THAT ONE.
JUST GARY, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Vacation - Utility Easements - Former Marian Meadows Property]
THREE F, WHICH IS A VACATION OF UTILITY EASEMENT FOR THE FORMER MION MEADOWS PROPERTY.SO THESE, UH, THIS IS, UH, AN ORDINANCE THAT VACATES, UH, SIX, UM, EASEMENTS THAT WE NO LONGER WILL NEED.
UH, THEY'RE A MIXTURE OF, UM, SANITARY WATER AND, UH, STORM SEWER EASEMENTS.
UM, SO, UM, BASED ON THE WAY THEY WERE, UM, PLACED IN SERVICE IN, UH, 1967, AND THEN ALSO, UH, 1986,
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UH, DOES REQUIRE, UH, COUNSELED APPROVAL FOR THOSE, UH, FOR THAT VACATION.WE WILL THEN ESTABLISH NEW EASEMENTS FOR THE NEW, UM, UTILITY SERVICE THAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE, THE NEW ROADWAY.
SO THESE, UH, THESE EASEMENTS ARE REQUIRED IN ORDER FOR US TO THEN REPL THE PROPERTY TO THEN TRANSFER TO CONTINENTAL AS PART OF THE APARTMENT COMP, UH, PROJECT.
ANY QUESTIONS? IT IS AN ORDINANCE.
UH, CAN IT GO TO TWO READINGS OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THIS TO BE EXPEDITED? UH, NO, IT CAN GO TO TWO READINGS.
SAME OBJECTION TO THE FIRST READING MONDAY.
[ Request For Proposals (RFP) - EMS Billing - Fire Division]
BE ITEM 3G, WHICH IS THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AN RP THROUGH THE EMS BILLING FIRE DIVISION.CHIEF, HOW ARE YOU? I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE, SIR.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS HERE.
UH, WE WERE, UH, NOTIFIED RECENTLY THAT, UH, OUR, UH, CURRENT VENDOR FOR EMS BILLING THAT WE'VE HAD FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS, UM, THEY'VE BEEN, UH, UH, PURCHASED SEVERAL TIMES BY THEIR COMPANIES AND THE CURRENT COMPANY, OPTUM.
THEY HAVE NOTIFIED US THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO, UH, PROCEED IN THE BILLING BUSINESS.
UH, THIS IS, UH, THEY'VE DONE THIS NOT JUST TO US, BUT TO, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS.
THEY HAVE GIVEN US PLENTY OF NOTICE.
UH, BUT WE, UH, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH THE, THE BILLING PROCESS, WE, UH, NEED TO FIND A NEW VENDOR.
UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING, UH, SPENDING, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN, UH, THE ALLOWABLE LIMIT OF, UH, UH, THE NEW LIMIT OF 74,000.
UH, WE'RE HOPING TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, UP, UP TOWARDS 90,000 WITH THE VENDOR.
UH, SO WE NEED TO, UH, UH, SEEK PERMISSION TO, UH, PUT OUT AN RFP TO FIND A NEW VENDOR.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, ALREADY, UM, UH, BASED OFF OF, UH, THE WORD GETTING OUT THAT, UH, ALL THESE, UH, CLIENTS ARE LOOKING AND, UH, TALKING TO SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING DEPARTMENTS, WE'VE ALL KIND OF IDENTIFIED AT LEAST SIX COMPANIES TO SEND OUT THE RFP TO IMMEDIATELY, UH, ONCE IT'S, UH, IF IT WAS APPROVED.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF? I'LL JUST NOTE THAT, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL PACKET, BECAUSE OF THE TIME SENSITIVITY, THIS CAME UP AT THE LAST MINUTE, UH, CHIEF LY HAD INCLUDED THE RFP DRAFT.
I'VE, UH, SUBSEQUENTLY ADDED THE, UH, THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION, UH, TO THE, UH, AGENDA QUICK AND IT'S AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC ACCESS, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE RESOLUTION THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH THIS ON, UH, MONDAY'S AGENDA MONDAY.
ANY QUESTIONS? YES, DON? JUST BRIEFLY, CHIEF, I MEAN, SINCE IT IS A BILLING SERVICE, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU, UM, UH, DO YOU LOOK AT THIS AS A PORTION OF WHAT WE CHARGE TO? IN OTHER WORDS, HOW'S IT PAID FOR? UH, IS IT WHAT WE CHARGE FOR EMS SERVICES OR, YEAH, SO, UH, WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS WE SEND, UH, THE WAY OUR LEGISLATION, UH, HAS BEEN WRITTEN IS, UH, WE SEND A BILL TO EVERYBODY.
UH, WE DO SOFT BILL RESIDENTS.
SO IF SOMEBODY CAN'T, THEY'LL GET THREE BILLS AND, UH, EVENTUALLY THOSE WILL GO AWAY.
UH, IT IS, UH, IT DOESN'T COVER OUR COST OF OPERATION, BUT IT IS A SIGNIFICANT SOURCE OF REVENUE.
UM, I SEE WHERE BILLING COMPANIES, IT MAY NOT BE THE MOST LUCRATIVE.
UH, TWO YEARS AGO WE RENEGOTIATED OUR RATE FROM LIKE FIVE AND A QUARTER PERCENT DOWN TO FOUR AND THREE QUARTER.
UH, I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING PRETTY GOOD AND I WAS KIND OF HAPPY WITH THE VENDOR BECAUSE WE DID THAT.
UM, BUT WE PROBABLY SUBMIT SIX OR $7 MILLION WORTH OF BILLING, AND I THINK LAST YEAR WE'LL BE PUSHING ABOUT 1.8 MILLION OF ACTUAL COLLECTIONS.
AND THEN THE BILLER GETS, UH, THEY GET THE, UH, WHAT THEIR PERCENTAGE IS.
I'M PRETTY CERTAIN THAT WE'LL PROBABLY BE PAYING A LITTLE HIGHER PERCENTAGE BASED ON HOW THE RFPS WILL COME IN, BUT, UH, YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD DEAL OF REVENUE FOR US.
UM, YOU KNOW, REAL QUICK HISTORY, UH, MR. CAMPBELL WAS AROUND WHEN WE DID THIS AS, UH, IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, WE ALL WERE KIND OF LIKE, OH, DO WE REALLY WANNA DO THIS? AND, UH, UH, MOST, UH, IT'S A LAW IN OHIO FOR, I, I BELIEVE IT'S STILL A LAW IN OHIO THAT, UH, INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE TO PROVIDE THIS COVERAGE.
UH, SO WE DISCOVERED WAY BACK WHEN THAT WE WERE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE, UH, BECAUSE THIS WAS SOMETHING INSURANCE COMPANIES WERE BY LAW REQUIRED TO, TO DO, AND WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T CAPTURING THOSE FUNDS.
SO, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S GROWN FROM 500,000 TO ABOUT 1.8 MILLION RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU, RICK, THIS IS FOR YOU.
IS THIS A POSITION THAT WE COULD HIRE SOMEBODY CHEAPER THAN PAYING SOMEBODY TO DO IT? UH, I WOULD SAY NO.
SO THE PROCESS OF EMS BILLING IS, IS NOT SIMPLE.
UM, IT INVOLVES WORKING WITH EVERYONE FROM MEDICARE, MEDICAID, TO PRIVATE INSURANCE.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE TYPICALLY, AT LEAST EVERYWHERE I'VE SEEN IN THE STATE, HAS CONTRACTED WITH A BILLING SERVICE, UM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO, UM, AND THE RELATIONSHIPS REALLY TO, TO MAKE THIS WORK BETTER.
UM, TYPICALLY THE BILLING SERVICES HAVE A, A MUCH HIGHER, UM, PROBABLY RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
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AND REALLY, I, THEY'RE ABSORBING THEIR COSTS.I MEAN, IF WE'RE BRINGING IN 1.5 MILLION AND WE'RE SPENDING 90,000, IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL 1.4 MILLION AHEAD.
SO, UH, I, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'VE EVER SEEN BROUGHT IN HOUSE IN A COMMUNITY BEFORE.
IF, IF I CAN, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT THROUGH THIS AND A LOT OF TIMES INSURANCE COMPANIES, IF, UH, IF SOMETHING'S GOING ON INTO THE INDUSTRY, THINGS WILL CHANGE.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE KNOW OF WHAT THE CHANGES ARE, UH, YOU'RE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE.
UH, I WAS TALKING TO ANOTHER FIRE CHIEF TODAY.
UH, I HAD HEARD SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT A POTENTIAL VENDOR AND THEY HAD ONE ACCOUNT REP THAT LEFT ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON THE TABLE.
THE VENDOR FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AND ACTUALLY REIMBURSED THE CITY THAT, THAT FULL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AMOUNT.
SO THE COMPANY, I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THE COMPANY, BUT JUST ONE EMPLOYEE NOT DOING THEIR JOB THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON? OKAY, NEXT UP IS ITEM
[ Appointment - IT Director]
THREE H, WHICH IS THE APPOINTMENT OF A NEW IT DIRECTOR OBJECT IF YOU WANNA GO.SO, UH, I'M GONNA ASK, UH, COUNSEL TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR APPOINTMENT OF, UH, PUBLIC OFFICIAL, UH, THAT WAY WE CAN TALK IN PRIVATE ABOUT THIS CANDIDATE.
AT THE END OF THE MEETING? AT THE END OF THE MEETING, YEP.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO, WE'LL JUST BYPASS THIS FOR NOW.
[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount - SHI International - IT Department]
I, WHICH IS AN INCREASE ON EXCEED AMOUNT FOR SHI INTERNATIONAL WITH THE IT DEPARTMENT.RIGHT? SO, UH, WE HAVE AN INTERIM IT DIRECTOR, ED MCNAUGHTON.
UM, HE'S BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON, ON GETTING, UH, EVERYTHING, UH, BUTTONED UP WITH OUR IT DEPARTMENT.
UH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF EXPENSES FOR LICENSING OF SOFTWARE, EVERYTHING FROM OUR OFFICE 365 TO UH, ADOBE PRODUCTS.
SO, UH, IT ACTUALLY DIPPED JUST SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE NEW LIMIT OF 75,000.
UM, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY MORE SPENDING, BUT JUST TO BE SAFE, UH, WE ARE ASKING COUNCIL TO INCREASE THE NOT TO EXCEED UP TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
OKAY, SO WE WILL MOVE THAT ON TO MONDAY AS WELL.
[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount - Greentech Lawn And Irrigation - Public Works Division]
THREE J, WHICH IS THE INCREASE ON TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR GREEN TECH LAWN AND IRRIGATION THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.UM, FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO, UH, MAKE IT CLEAR THIS IS NOT AN INCREASE OF TO THE, TO THE PREVIOUS AMOUNT FOR 473,000.
THIS IS JUST AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT FOR BASICALLY WHAT THIS WILL DO TO EXCEED THE AMOUNT IS, UM, GIVE US THE CAPABILITY TO MAKE AN ADDEND TO THE CURRENT SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH GREEN TECH FOR THE ADDITION OF TWO OTHER PROPERTIES, WHICH WILL INCLUDE THOSE PROPERTIES BEING, UM, THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER AND CLOUD PARK.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
SO WE'RE JUST MOVING PUBLIC WORKS OFFICIALS FROM MAINTAINING UPKEEPING THE ROWS IN CLOUD PARK.
BASICALLY FREE THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT UP TO DO SOME, UM, OTHER ASPECTS WITH INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, OTHER THAN MO UM, WHEN WE TOOK OVER THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, I THINK EIGHT YEARS AGO, IT WAS KIND OF A SHORT TERM KIND OF IDEA OF FOR NOT FOR US TO DO IT FOR THIS LONG, UM, TO BE MORE APPLICABLE TO OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE MATTERS.
GREEN TECH DOES A VERY NICE MANICURED JOB, CORRECT? THEY'VE DONE, THEY'VE DONE OUR PROPERTIES NOW HERE.
UM, THEY HAD A PREVIOUS CONTRACT WITH US AND UM, THEN THEY GOT OUTDID FOR THE PAST ONE AND NOW THEY'RE WITH US AGAIN.
UH, WE HAVE TWO MORE YEARS, WELL, ONE YEAR ON THEIR CONTRACT WITH A, A YEAR RENEWABLE.
SO, AND YOUR GUYS HAVE PLENTY OF OTHER STUFF TO DO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? CASE? NONE.
[ Vehicle Donation - Police Division]
THREE K, VEHICLE DONATION FROM THE POLICE DIVISION.UH, WE RECENTLY OUTFITTED A NEW, UH, CANINE VEHICLE THROUGH THE ENTERPRISE LEASE PROGRAM THAT LEFT US WITH OUR OLD CANINE VEHICLE 2017 FORD EXPLORER.
THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS IN NEED OF A BACKUP CANINE VEHICLE AND A VEHICLE TO BE USED FOR TRAINING.
THEY HAVE SEVERAL MORE CANINES THAN WE DO.
WE HAVE ONE, THEY HAVE I THINK SIX.
UM, AND SO I NEED TO ASK YOUR APPROVAL TO BE ABLE TO DONATE OUR 2017 OLD CANINE VEHICLE TO THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR USE.
CHIEF, ANY QUESTIONS? THIS WASN'T ON THE LIST.
UH, UH THIS WASN'T ON THE LIST OF THE PREVIOUS VEHICLES THAT WE WERE GONNA SEND OFF TO GOV DEALS.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, DONATING THIS PAYMENT VEHICLE TO MONTGOMERY COUNTY? DID YOU SAY WE ONLY HAVE ONE CANINE NOW? YES, WE DO.
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QUITE POSSIBLE.SAMMO, BRENT WALL OR, UH, SEAN WALLER IS THE HANDLER.
SO IN THE EVENT WE GET ANOTHER ONE, WE'LL JUST GO BACK THROUGH OUR LEASE THROUGH OUR ENTERPRISE LEASE OPTION TO, TO SPEC ANOTHER ONE OUT THEN.
YEAH, WE HAVE ALMOST, ALMOST ALL OF OUR FLEET NOW IS UNDER THE ENTERPRISE LEASE PROGRAM.
ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY, MOVE THAT ON.
[ Board And Commission Appointments * Parks And Recreation Board - Reappointment]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE L.WE HAVE SOME, UH, BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS, TONY.
I HAVE, UH, TWO REAPPOINTMENTS TONIGHT, UH, TO TWO SEPARATE, UH, BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS.
UM, SO MY COMMENTS WILL JUST STAND FOR BOTH AND THAT, UH, THESE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS OF CITY STAFF FOR REAPPOINTMENT AND WHERE APPROPRIATE THE, UH, UPDATED BACKGROUND CHECKS HAVE BEEN PROCESSED THROUGH, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES.
UH, SO THE FIRST IS THE REAPPOINTMENT OF BRIAN DE TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD TO A TERM ENDING, UH, MARCH 31ST, 2027.
SO WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, I'D LIKE TO PLACE THAT AS A MOTION ON MONDAY'S AGENDA.
AND THEN SECONDLY, UM, A RECOMMENDATION FOR REAPPOINTMENT OF JENNIFER BEARD TO THE PERSONNEL APPEALS BOARD FOR A TERM ENDING MARCH 31ST, 2027.
AND, UH, AGAIN, A MOTION ON MONDAY FOR A FREE APPOINTMENT.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, EITHER OF THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE THAT ON TO MONDAY.
AND I THINK JUST BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS, UM, I THINK, UM, IT'D BE JUST A, A GOOD NOTE TO MENTION JUST FOR EVERYBODY THAT, UM, ALL OF THE BACKGROUND CHECKS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ARE BACK AND THERE ARE NO ISSUES WITH, UH, ANY OF THE ONES THAT WERE OUTSTANDING.
UH, EVERYONE IS, EVERYONE IS IN THE, IN THE CLEAR, YES.
MORE OF THE MEETINGS BE ANNOUNCED TO THE CITIZENS.
WELL, WE WERE WAITING FOR THIS FINAL COMPONENT AND SO I'LL BE SETTING UP A, AN INITIAL MEETING.
UM, AND THEN FROM THAT, THE BOARD AND COMMISSION OR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WILL SET THEIR MEETING SCHEDULE MOVING FORWARD.
SO THEN WE MOVE AND, AND BY MID-MARCH, THANK YOU, 3M, WHICH IS
[ City Code - Supplement 17 - Adopting Ordinance]
CITY CODE SUPPLEMENT 17 AND ADOPTING THAT ORDINANCE.UH, THIS IS THE STANDARD LEGISLATION THAT I BRING BEFORE YOU TO ADOPT, UH, SUPPLEMENTS TO THE CITY CODE.
UM, THIS IS THE CODIFICATION OF LEGISLATION THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY COUNCIL COVERS, UH, THE PERIOD OF OCTOBER 1ST, 2023 TO SEPTEMBER 31ST, 2023, WHICH WAS THE FOURTH QUARTER OF LAST YEAR.
APPROPRIATE LEGAL NOTICE HAS BEEN ADVERTISED AS REQUIRED BY THE HUB, BRAD CITY CHARTER.
AND, UH, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE.
IT CAN GO TO TWO READINGS BEFORE ADOPTION.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE FIRST READING ON MONDAY? OKAY, WE'LL SEE IT THERE.
TONY, YOU WANNA READ THE, UM, MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION, PLEASE? YES.
IT'D BE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS, I'M SORRY TO CONSIDER THE APPOINTMENT OF A PUBLIC OFFICIAL UNDER PERSONNEL MATTERS.
NANCY, UH, MOVE TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
ANY DISCUSSION? TONY? MS. BAKER? YES.
MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
UH, ONCE WE COME OUT, WE'LL NOTIFY THE PUBLIC IF ANY ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN.
IT IS NINE 19 AND WE HAVE COME OUTTA EXECUTIVE SESSION AND COUNSEL HAS MADE THE DECISION TO ADD, UH, THE APPOINTMENT OF DAVE WARREN AS OUR NEW IT DIRECTOR AND THAT WILL BE ON MONDAY'S AGENDA.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, NINE 19.
THIS MEETING COUNSEL IS ADJOURNED.