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SO I THINK EVERYBODY THAT WAS GONNA COME TONIGHT
[1. Call The Meeting To Order - Mayor Jeff Gore]
IS PROBABLY HERE ALREADY.[2. Community Forum For Discussion Regarding An Upgraded Intersection - Carriage Trails Boulevard/State Route 201 (Brandt Pike)]
SO, UH, I'M NOT GONNA TALK MUCH.I'M JUST GOING TO, UH, BASICALLY LET EVERYBODY KNOW THE REASON THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS EVENING, UH, IS TO TALK ABOUT THE UPGRADED TRAFFIC LIGHT OR THE UPGRADE INTERSECTION AT 2 0 1 IN CARRIAGE CHARLES BOULEVARD.
UH, I THINK WE'VE KNOWN, AT LEAST WE'VE FELT FOR QUITE SOME TIME, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, SOME UPGRADES AND SOME IMPROVEMENTS MADE THERE.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO HEAR, BUT IT IS.
THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS UP THERE.
PART OF THAT PART PROPERTY IS, UH, HEBREW HEIGHTS.
PART OF THAT PROPERTY WHERE THE MASS ARMS AND WHERE THE ACTUAL LIGHT WOULD GO IS BETHEL TOWNSHIP AND THEN MIAMI COUNTY.
SO THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS THAT ALL HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AND APPROVE, UH, WITH HOW THIS HAS TO HAPPEN.
NOT TO MENTION ODOT, UH, AND KIND OF THEIR FINAL SAY ON, ON, ON WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO, UH, LOTS OF STUFF HAS, HAS BEEN GOING ON BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE YET.
DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING ON THIS AND TRYING TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
IT IS JUST A VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS WITH THREE DIFFERENT GOVERNING AGENCIES, PLUS ODOT.
SO, UH, BRIAN HAS, HAS, HAS WORKED TO CREATE THIS POWERPOINT THIS EVENING.
SO, UH, ONCE HE GETS THROUGH THE POWERPOINT, I'D ASK YOU TO LET HIM GET THROUGH IT.
AND THEN CERTAINLY AS A QUESTIONNAIRE, A QUESTION AND ANSWER, UH, SCENARIO.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT, UH, BRIAN HAS PRESENTED YOU, CERTAINLY FEEL FREE TO ASK.
UH, I WILL SAY, THOUGH, THIS IS NOT A MEETING ABOUT ANNEXATION.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT ANNEXATION THIS EVENING.
I PROMISE EVERYBODY THAT ONCE THERE WILL BE A TIME SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, UH, WHERE WE WILL HAVE A FULL COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS.
IT'LL BE ALL DONE AND OPEN AT A PUBLIC MEETING.
EVERYONE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT, SPEAK THEIR CASE, UH, SPEAK THEIR MIND, AND WE WILL HAVE THAT DONE AT A FUTURE MEETING THAT WILL BE FORTHCOMING.
TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT ABOUT THE CARRIAGE TRAILS 2 0 1 TRAFFIC UPGRADE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, ONCE BRIAN HAS COMPLETED THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THAT UPGRADE, ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAVE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO, UH, THIS WAS ADVERTISED PUBLICLY AS A TOWN HALL, SO THERE ARE MORE THAN FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, BUT WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING LEGISLATION, ANY SPECIFIC LEGISLATION.
SO THIS IS NOT A QUORUM, THIS IS NOT, UH, WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANY SUNSHINE LAWS.
THIS IS AN OPEN TOWN HALL LIKE THE CITY HAS HAD, UH, AT DIFFERENT TIMES IN THE PAST.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, BRIAN, I'LL LET YOU, UH, GO ON WITH THE PRESENTATION.
AND AGAIN, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS ONCE BRIAN IS DONE.
AND I DO APPRECIATE, UH, ALL OF YOU WHO TOOK THE TIME TO BE HERE TONIGHT FOR COMING.
UM, AS THE MAYOR SAID, UH, I'VE PUT TOGETHER THIS, UH, PARTICULAR PRESENTATION TO, UM, AS EFFECTIVELY AND AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN KIND OF START, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING AND HIT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, UH, OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, UH, TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WE HAVE YET TO DO.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE, UH, THE PRESENTATION, UM, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT, UH, WE'VE TRIED TO PUT SOME KEY DATES, UM, IN THIS PRESENTATION, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S SOME GAPS IN TIME WITH SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE TO YOU.
UH, PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT THESE ARE KEY DATES, OR AT LEAST THESE ARE OUR KEY PIVOT POINTS THAT WE'VE TRIED TO INCLUDE IN THIS PRESENTATION.
AND THESE GAPS ARE TYPICALLY FILLED WITH, UM, MAYBE PERHAPS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS TALKING AND WORKING OUT THEIR ISSUES.
MAYBE IT'S, UH, DOCUMENTS BEING TRADED AND EXCHANGED AMONGST, UH, ATTORNEYS.
MAYBE IT'S, UH, RESEARCH INTO THE OHIO REVISED CODE.
SO THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE.
UM, ALTHOUGH WE, WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IT TO JUST SIMPLY SAY, IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED.
PUT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN, UH, PUT A ROUNDABOUT IN, DO SOMETHING.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, LIKE MOST THINGS THAT GOVERNMENT TOUCHES, THIS IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS IT COULD BE OR SHOULD BE, OR WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE.
SO, UH, FOR TONIGHT, UH, HOPEFULLY THIS WORKED EARLIER.
SO, UH, AS I SAID, UH, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY, UM, THE CHALLENGES THAT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR TASK, THIS PARTICULAR MISSION HAS FACED, UH, THAT CONSIDERED AND RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE ARE MOVING AHEAD WITH, UH, WHAT WE THINK IS, UH, GOING TO BE THE APPROPRIATE IMPROVEMENT, UH, AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
AND THEN, UH, THE NEXT STEPS, NEXT STEPS AND EXPECTATIONS.
SO, UH, RICK, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SLIDE.
SO BACK IN 2001, THIS PROJECT BEGAN AS, UH, BENCH ROCK PARKWAY, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKWAY BEGAN IN OH THREE AND WAS COMPLETED IN OH FIVE.
THE ORIGINAL PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY TO BE ABOUT A THOUSAND, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UH, THE PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY, FROM THIS VERSION TO WHAT WE KNOW TODAY AS CARRIAGE TRAILS, UH, WAS ALWAYS GOING TO INCLUDE
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A SAME PROPORTION OF, UH, MULTI-FAMILY, UH, AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL.BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, ITERATION OF THE PROJECT, IT WAS ABOUT A THOUSAND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, AND A GOLF COURSE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.
SO HERE IS, UH, THE, UH, INITIAL LAYOUT THAT THE CITY SAW BACK IN, UH, THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS ABOUT HOW THAT SUBDIVISION, UH, WAS GOING TO, UH, TO PLAY OUT AT LEAST HOW WE THOUGHT IT WOULD, UH, AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
AND YOU CAN NOTE, UH, THERE ARE SOME FEATURES FROM THIS ORIGINAL, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAT AND DESIGN, UH, THAT STILL EXIST WITHIN THE CURRENT, UH, WITHIN THE CURRENT DESIGN.
SO, UH, AS EVERYBODY IS AWARE, UH, THE HOUSING CRISIS CAME AND HIT, UH, IT HIT HUBER HARD IN PARTICULAR, UH, WHO HAD INVESTED IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS NOW, UH, CARRIAGE TRAILS BOULEVARD.
UH, AND, UH, THAT'S WHEN, UH, THE CITY PARTNERED WITH DECK, UH, TO KEEP THAT PROJECT GOING AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, THE TAXPAYER'S INVESTMENT UP IN, UH, WHAT IS NOW CARRIAGE TRAILS.
BUT THEN BENCH ROCK, UH, DID YIELD RESULTS, UH, BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE STARTED WORKING WITH DECK BACK IN 2008, UH, AND THE CONTENT AND THE CONTEXT OF THE DEVELOPMENT CHANGED.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS, WHAT WAS THE GOLF COURSE THEN BECAME ADDITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND SO THE, UH, PLAT THAT WAS IN ITS ENTIRETY, UH, APPROVED BY THE CITY, UH, CONTAINS ABOUT 500 MORE HOMES THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED BACK IN, UH, THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
SO ALMOST A THIRD, UH, LARGER THAN, UH, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY, UH, PLANNED WHEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS DESIGNED AND BUILT.
SO AS A RESULT, UM, AS THE COMMUNITY CONTINUED TO DEVELOP, AS THE COMMUNITY, UH, CONTINUED TO BUILD OUT, UH, THE CITY BECAME AWARE OF, UH, TRAFFIC CONCERNS AT CARRIAGE TRAILS BOULEVARD AND BRANT PIKE, UH, IN ABOUT 2000 AND AND 17.
SO, UH, DECK IN THE CITY BEGAN, UH, TRYING TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE THOSE CONCERNS TO DETERMINE WHAT WAS THE BEST, MOST APPROPRIATE THING TO DO.
AND THEN IN 2018, THEY COMMISSIONED A TRAFFIC STUDY SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO, AS THAT SLIDE, AS THAT, UM, STUDY WAS, UM, CONCLUDING, UH, ABOUT, UH, A WEEK OR SO BEFORE, UH, THE RESULTS, UH, OF THE STUDY ARE MADE PUBLIC, THE CITY COMMUNICATES TO THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THAT IT WILL IN FACT FUND, UH, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT, UH, THAT WOULD GO AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION IF THE TRAFFIC STUDY AT THAT TIME WARRANTED, UM, A, UH, WARRANTED A LIGHT.
UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THAT STUDY FOUND THAT NO LIGHT WAS NECESSARY, BUT THAT A TURN LANE, UH, NEEDED TO BE ADDED, UM, AND THAT THE INTERSECTION NEEDED TO BE, UH, WASHED AND MONITORED OVER TIME.
SO, UM, NOT MUCH HAPPENS, UH, BETWEEN 2018 AND 2020, UH, WHEN, UH, IN RESPONSE TO, UH, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY A SERIES OF ACCIDENTS UP ON 40, UH, AND, UH, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIAL ACCIDENTS, UH, AT CARRIAGE TRAILS BOULEVARD AND BRANT PIKE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BETHEL SCHOOL DISTRICT REACHES OUT TO THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, AND THE COMMUNICATION STARTS AGAIN.
UH, AND, UH, THE REQUEST IS VERY SIMILAR, UH, TO WHAT, UH, UM, WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT.
AND THAT WAS, GOSH DARN, UH, CAN WE GET A TRAFFIC SIGNAL HERE? WHEN CAN WE GET A TRAFFIC SIGNAL? UH, THE COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH FROM, UH, THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO, UH, THE SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE WAS, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, BUT BECAUSE THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION HAS JURISDICTION HERE, UM, THE TRAFFIC SITUATION DOES NOT WARRANT OR DOES NOT JUSTIFY A TRAFFIC SIGNAL BASED ON, UH, OHIO, UH, UH, OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION RULES AND REGULATIONS.
SO, UH, SHORTLY AFTER THAT COMMUNICATION CHAIN, UH, WRAPS UP BETWEEN, UH, THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, UH, AND THE BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, UH, AND THE CITY IS, UM, IN AND OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION CHAIN, UH, THROUGH THE ENGINEER'S OFFICE.
UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, DIRECTS THEN, UH, OR PASSES LEGISLATION THAT THEN DIRECTS, UH, CITY MANAGER ROB SCHOMER, UH, TO TAKE NECESSARY ACTION TO MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT, UH, AT THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION.
UH, THERE IS SOME ACTIVITY BY THE CITY TO TRY CITY STAFF TO TRY AND DETERMINE WHAT IS, UH, THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THAT SITUATION.
UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, UH, THINGS HAPPENED A LITTLE LATER IN 2021.
UH, AND, UH, THE CONVERSATION COMES TO A, A, A SLOWER PACE HERE, UH, AT CITY HALL.
SO THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, WITH ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT'S BEEN EXPRESSED, UM, FROM 2017 2018 THROUGH JANUARY OF 2021, OR EVEN WHERE WE ARE TODAY, UH, WHY HAVE WE NOT SEEN ANY IMPROVEMENT AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION? AND THAT'S BEST EXPLAINED BY THIS SLIDE HERE.
SO, UH, AS THE MAYOR REFERENCED, BUT AS THIS SLIDE DEMONSTRATES, UH, THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IS ON THE LEFT OF THE ORANGE LINE, AND MIAMI COUNTY AND ODOT ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ORANGE LINE.
AND WHILE THE IMMEDIATE LOCALIZED JURISDICTION IS BETHEL TOWNSHIP, BETHEL TOWNSHIP HAS NO JURISDICTION
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OVER THIS ROAD.UH, AND THIS ROAD IN PARTICULAR, BEING THE STATE ROUTE FALLS UNDER THE, UH, GUISE AND, UH, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO UPDATE.
UH, SO WHILE THE COUNTY HAS MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES, THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL CARE, UH, OR CONSTRUCT OF THE ROAD AND THE INTERSECTION, UH, BELONG TO, UM, BELONG TO ODO.
SO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WHILE WE MAY WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO ASSIST OUR RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN CARRIAGE TRAILS, UNFORTUNATELY THIS INTERSECTION FALLS OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY IN THE SCOPE OF THE CITY'S AUTHORITY.
SO OUR ABILITY TO SIMPLY EXECUTE A STRATEGY IS NOT WITHOUT HAVING TO WORK WITH MIAMI COUNTY, BETHEL TOWNSHIP, THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, OR ALL OF THE ABOVE.
SO, IN THE SPRING OF 2022, UM, THE CITY APPROACHED THE COUNTY ABOUT A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT.
NOW, BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENTS ARE, UM, TYPICALLY MORE COMMON BETWEEN, UH, MUNICIPAL JURISDICTIONS, UM, AND THEY ARE TYPICALLY DONE THROUGH, UH, SIMPLE PIECES OF LEGISLATION.
SO THE TWO CITIES AGREE THAT THE BOUNDARY LINE NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED.
UH, THERE'S SOME SURVEY WORK THAT'S DONE, AND THEN LEGISLATION IS PRESENTED BEFORE BOTH BODIES AND THAT LEGISLATION IS PASSED.
AND THAT WAS THE CONCEPT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED, UM, IN THE SPRING OF 2022.
SO, UM, THAT INFORMATION, THAT CONVERSATION STARTED WITH THEN COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR CHARLOTTE COLLEY, WHO'S NOW NO LONGER WITH THE COUNTY.
UH, BUT THAT LEADS FINALLY TO AN ONSITE MEETING IN OCTOBER WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE COUNTY ENGINEER, UH, AT THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, UH, WHERE WE REVIEW, UH, EFFECTIVELY THE MAP THAT YOU SEE HERE.
SO THE ORANGE LINE, VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, IS WHERE THE CURRENT, UH, CITY LIMIT IS.
UH, AND THIS RED LINE REPRESENTS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT TO BE.
UM, IN THE RESEARCH THAT GOES INTO, UM, THIS PARTICULAR CONCEPT BETWEEN THE SPRING OF 2022 AND WHAT IS, UH, OCTOBER, 2022, UH, IS THAT THERE IS NO LEGALLY DEFINED MECHANISM TO LEGISLATIVELY MOVE THE BOUNDARY, UH, BETWEEN A COUNTY AND A CITY LIKE THERE IS BETWEEN A CITY AND A CITY.
AND EFFECTIVELY WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS THERE HAS TO BE A TARGETED ANNEXATION TO MOVE THAT BOUNDARY.
SO THE ISSUE THEN BECOMES FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS AN ISSUE OF THE CITY TRYING TO SURREPTITIOUSLY EXPAND ITS BOUNDARIES FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GAIN, OR PURPOSE, WHICH IT IS NOT.
AND THAT IS EFFECTIVELY WHAT WE SPEND A GREAT DEAL OF OUR TIME WORKING THROUGH BETWEEN THE SPRING AND OCTOBER TO GET THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON SITE TO DEMONSTRATE TO THEM THAT OUR INTEREST IS SOLELY IN AN ABILITY TO CONTROL THIS INTERSECTION SO THAT WE CAN PUT THE LIGHT IN.
THE REASON THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO CONTROL THE INTERSECTION IS BECAUSE UNDER THE HOME RULE PROVISIONS OF THE STATE OF OHIO, THIS INTERSECTION WOULD NO LONGER BE UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
IT FALLS SOLELY UNDER THE MANAGEMENT AND AUTHORITY OF THE CITY.
AND SO WE CAN PUT UP A TRAFFIC SIGNAL UNDER WHATEVER PARAMETERS, UH, THAT WE WOULD CHOOSE TO PUT IN A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO MOVE THE BOUNDARY.
THE OTHER REASON, OR THE OTHER BENEFIT THAT COMES WITH THIS IS WE CAN ALSO CONTROL THE SPEED LIMIT FOR THOSE ROADS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES.
SO ONCE THAT BOUNDARY LINE IS MOVED TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE, UH, WIDTH OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE CITY CAN ALSO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT TO HELP REDUCE, UH, THE PROBABILITY AND LIKELIHOOD OF ACCIDENTS, AS WELL AS THE SEVERITY OF THOSE ACCIDENTS.
SO WE MEET WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY, AND THEN THE COUNTY TURNS AROUND AND LEAVES OUR MEETING AT THIS LOCATION AND GOES AND MEETS WITH THE TOWNSHIP.
AND SO, UH, FOLLOWING CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWNSHIP, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UH, WE ARE ABLE TO GET ALL THE PARTIES TOGETHER IN THIS BUILDING BACK ON JANUARY 11TH TO TALK ABOUT WHAT A DEAL WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT A WRITTEN AGREEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, TO DOCUMENT EVERYONE'S INTENT AND EVERYBODY'S POSITION ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE AND DEMONSTRATE TO THE COUNTY, TO THE TOWNSHIP THAT WE HAVE, UH, PURELY SINCERE AND GENUINE MOTIONS HERE, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR MATTER, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A PUBLIC SAFETY IMPROVEMENT THAT BENEFITS NOT ONLY OUR RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO COUNTY RESIDENTS.
SO THESE ARE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, UH, THAT WERE SKETCHED OUT AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, UH, THAT THE CITY WILL UPDATE, UH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THERE ARE, UH, TWO PREVIOUS TRAFFIC STUDIES AT THIS LOCATION.
UH, THE ONE CITED IN 18, UH, WAS THE MOST UP TO DATE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IF I RECALL.
UH, WE ALSO AGREE TO, UH, CONSTRUCT WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENT IS FROM THE STUDY, UH, AND THAT THE CITY WOULD BUDGET FOR THAT IMPROVEMENT IN 2024.
UH, THERE ARE OTHER SOME CONDITIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THIS DISCUSSION, UH, IN WHICH UNDER THE RECITALS OR THE REASONS WHY WE'RE ENTERING INTO THIS AGREEMENT, ONE OF THOSE RECITALS WOULD BE, UH, TO CLARIFY THE CITY'S POSITION THAT THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT
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IS SPECIFIC TO ACQUIRING THIS INTERSECTION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY PURPOSES AND NOT FOR LAND ACQUISITION OR FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR, UH, LAND ENHANCEMENT PURPOSES.SO SHORTLY AFTER THIS MEETING, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ENGAGED THE LAW DIRECTOR AND SEND HIM ABOUT THE WAY, UH, TO DO ALL OF THE NECESSARY RESEARCH, UH, TO MAKE, UH, THIS AGREEMENT AND THIS PARTICULAR, UH, BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT, A REALITY.
UH, SO AS THE LAW DIRECTOR IS WORKING THROUGH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, HERE IN JUST A FEW SLIDES, WHAT THE LAW DIRECTOR FINDS, UH, AND THEN IN, UH, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR COMMITMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP AND THE COUNTY, WE ALSO ORDER AN UPDATE TO THE 2018 TRAFFIC STUDY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE MOST UPTODATE TRAFFIC COUNT AND RECEIVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING FIRM ABOUT THE, UM, ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENT AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO WE RAN INTO SOME CHALLENGES, UM, WHICH IS WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES TODAY.
SO A COUPLE OF THE CHALLENGES ARE, AS, AS YOU'VE HEARD, ARE CHANGES IN LEADERSHIP.
SO, SINCE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE DIRECTIVE IN JANUARY OF 21, UH, MR. ZI IS NOW THE FOURTH INDIVIDUAL TO SIT AS, UH, THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UH, IN THAT TIME, WE'VE ALSO SEEN A TRANSITION IN LEADERSHIP AT, UH, BETHEL TOWNSHIP, AND WE'VE ALSO SEEN A TRANSITION IN ADMINISTRATIVE LEADERSHIP, UH, AT MIAMI COUNTY.
SO THOSE OF US THAT, UM, UH, THE LEGISLATORS, UM, SEND TO WORK, TO, TO PUT THESE DEALS TOGETHER, TO GET THESE DEALS DONE, UM, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S INTERESTS ARE BEING, UH, THOUGHT OF IN THE CRAFTING OF THIS AGREEMENT, ALL THREE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE SEEN CHANGES IN THAT LEADERSHIP, AND THAT HAS DELAYED US BEING ABLE TO PUT, UH, SOME OF THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER.
NOW, THE REAL CRUX OF THE DELAY IS ACTUALLY THESE NEXT TWO BULLET POINTS.
IT ACTUALLY TURNS OUT THAT 2 0 1 IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS NOT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AT ALL.
IT'S ACTUALLY A STATE HIGHWAY THAT SITS ON PRIVATE LAND UNDER A PUBLIC EASEMENT.
NOW, EARLY INTO THE PROCESS, WE WERE AWARE THAT THE SOUTHBOUND LANE WAS IN FACT, ACTUALLY OWNED BY DECK.
WHAT WE DIDN'T FIND OUT UNTIL LATER INTO THE PROCESS, WHICH WAS THAT THE NORTHBOUND LANE IS STILL OWNED BY THE SEILER FAMILY.
NOW, IF, UH, YOU'LL RECALL, UH, THERE WAS A TIME NOT TOO LONG AGO, WITHIN THE LAST 24 MONTHS THAT THE SEILER SOLD THAT PROPERTY TO METRO PARKS TO EXPAND, UH, CARRIAGE HILL SOMEWHERE BACK IN THE ANNALS OF HISTORY, AS LOTS WERE BEING, UM, DIVIDED, SUBDIVIDED INCREASED AND DECREASED.
SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, NO ONE BOTHERED TO THINK THAT WHAT IS STATE ROUTE 2 0 1 WAS ACTUALLY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND SO THE DESCRIPTION OF THE SEILER PROPERTY, WHICH WAS SOLD TO METRO PARKS, WHICH THEY THOUGHT INCLUDED THE 2 0 1 RIGHT OF WAY, IN FACT, DID NOT.
SO WE'VE HAD TO REACH OUT AND CONTACT THEIR ATTORNEY, UH, WHO WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH.
WE'VE HAD THEM, UH, IN COMMUNICATION WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM.
AND, UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, THEY HAVE AGREED TO TRANSFER AS HAS DECK THEIR OWNERSHIP IN THESE PARCELS TO THE CITY, UM, IN TIME SO THAT WE CAN CONSTRUCT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, WHEN WE HAVE THE DESIGN AND, AND ARE READY TO DO SO.
SO, THE OTHER THING THAT HAD TO HAPPEN IS WE ALSO HAD TO HAVE THE AREA SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBED FOR THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT, BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL EARLIER, UM, IN THE PRESENTATION, UH, THERE'S NO LEGISLATIVE WAY TO MAKE A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT.
SO TO COMMIT, AND AGAIN, TO FOLLOW OUR COMMITMENT TO THE COUNTY AND TO THE TOWNSHIP THAT WE WERE ONLY INTERESTED IN THIS INTERSECTION, WE HAD TO HAVE SURVEY CREWS COME OUT AND SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY THE AREA THAT WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT.
SO AGAIN, THAT TOOK ADDITIONAL TIME.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UM, WE DID COMPLETE THE ODOT STUDY, OR THE ODOT TRAFFIC STUDY, OR EXCUSE ME, WE DID COMPLETE AN UPDATE OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, AND WE DID SEND THAT OVER TO ODOT FOR RE REVIEW AND EVALUATION.
THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY WERE REVIEWING, UH, THAT DOCUMENT BACK ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS DECEMBER 28TH.
UH, AND WE RECENTLY RECEIVED, UM, A REQUEST FROM THEM, UH, TO MAKE UPDATES, UM, TO THAT STUDY.
AND THE REASON THAT THEY'VE ASKED US TO MAKE UPDATES TO THAT STUDY IS THAT NOW UNDER, UH, ODOT RULES, UH, THERE ARE THREE WAYS IN WHICH THERE ARE THREE, UM, WARRANTS, UH, OR THREE WAYS IN WHICH A TRAFFIC LIGHT CAN BE CONSTRUCTED.
AND NOW, UM, UNDER OUR UPDATED STUDY, ONE OF THOSE WARRANTS APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN MET.
UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS A, UM, THIS STUDY IS BUILT ON, UM, ONE THAT STARTED IN 2016.
SO THERE ARE SOME, UH, TRAFFIC ASSUMPTIONS WITHIN, UH, THE STUDY THAT HAVE BEEN UPDATED.
AND SO ODOT HAS ASKED US TO PUT IN THE UPDATED CALCULATIONS IN THE UPDATED TABLES.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW, UH, AND WE WILL BE RESUBMITTING THAT TO, UH, ODOT FOR REVIEW AND EVALUATION.
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THE EARLIER SLIDES, SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SEEING SOME POSITIVE OUTCOMES FROM OUR EFFORTS.SO AGAIN, UH, BOTH THE 2 0 1 OWNERS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT AND HAVE COMMITTED TO THE CITY THAT WE WILL OWN AND POSSESS THE LAND WHEN WE NEED TO OWN AND POSSESS THE LAND, UH, TO CONSTRUCT, UH, THE IMPROVEMENT.
THE FACT THAT ODOT HAS ASKED US TO UPDATE THE STUDY, UM, IS AN INDICATION, AT LEAST FROM, UH, WHAT WE BELIEVE IN OUR EXPERIENCE IS WORKING WITH ODOT, IS THAT, UH, THE NEW STANDARD, UH, THE NEW, UM, ASSUMPTIONS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2016 WILL STILL JUSTIFY ONE OF THE WARRANTS.
UH, AND SO THAT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ODOT SUPPORT.
AGAIN, LEGAL DESCRIPTION FOR THE BOUNDARY, UH, IS COMPLETE.
THAT CAME IN, I WANNA SAY, UM, MID TO LATE DECEMBER, RIGHT BEFORE, UH, THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY.
AND, UH, WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN RECEIPT OF MULTIPLE PROPOSALS, UH, FROM ENGINEERING FIRMS TO BEGIN, UH, THE DESIGN OF WHAT WILL BE THE IMPROVEMENT AT THIS INTERSECTION.
STAFF WILL BEGIN REVIEWING AND EVALUATING THOSE, UH, PROPOSALS IN FEBRUARY.
SO, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, YOU'VE HEARD US TALK ABOUT, UM, TRAFFIC SIGNALS, BUT WE DID LOOK AT, UH, THE TWO, WHAT I WOULD SAY ARE THE MOST WELL-KNOWN, UM, SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, ONE, WHICH IS A TRAFFIC ROUNDABOUT, AND THEN TWO, WHICH IS THE CONVENTIONAL TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
CONCEPTUALLY, THIS IS, UH, WHAT IS THE BEST ROUNDABOUT CONFIGURATION, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION? UH, THIS DOES KEEP, UH, THE ROUNDABOUT WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, IT AVOIDS SOME INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ALREADY THERE, UH, IN THE ROADS, UH, THAT ARE GREENED OUT.
THOSE WOULD BE REMOVED FROM, UH, THE PLAN.
UM, AND, UH, THE DARKER GRAY, UM, WE'LL CALL THEM CAD DRAWINGS THERE.
UH, THAT WOULD BE THE NEW ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE, UH, UH, THAT WOULD BE BUILT, UH, IF THIS WERE THE IMPROVEMENT, UH, THAT, UH, THAT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO, UH, WE LOOKED AT PROS AND CONS OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
UH, THEY REDUCE SERIOUS INJURY ACCIDENTS.
UH, THEY HAVE BETTER TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, AND THEN THEY REDUCE TRAFFIC DELAY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO STOP LIKE YOU WOULD AT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, AND THEY ARE LESS EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN, UH, OVER THE LONG TERM.
UH, CONS FOR, UH, TRAFFIC ROUNDABOUTS INCLUDE INCREASED PEDESTRIAN CONFLICTS.
UH, THEY'RE NOT COMMONLY ACCEPTED, UM, AS MUCH AS SOME FOLKS MAY, UM, MAY THINK, UH, THAT THEY ARE, UH, CUTTING EDGE, UH, TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO DON'T THINK THEY'RE TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURES AT ALL.
UH, THEY DO REQUIRE MORE LAND TO CONSTRUCT.
UH, THEIR CONSTRUCTION, UH, DOES TAKE LONGER THAN, UH, THE, UH, ERECTION OF A, UH, OF A STANDARD OR A TRADITIONAL TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UH, AND THEY ARE MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD.
WE ALSO THEN LOOKED AT, UH, CONVENTIONAL TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UH, THIS IS THE CONFIGURATION, UH, THAT WE BELIEVE WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE.
UM, AND YOU'LL NOTE THE, UH, VERY EXTENSIVE LEFT TURN LANE, UM, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRAWING, WHICH IS REFLECTIVE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE 2018 TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, CITED EARLIER IN THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION.
SIMILAR TO THE TRAFFIC, UH, ROUNDABOUT, WE DID LOOK AT THE PROS AND CONS FOR THE CONVENTIONAL TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UH, AND, UH, THOSE, UH, AS WELL REDUCE INJURY ACCIDENTS.
UH, THEY ARE FASTER TO CONSTRUCT.
THEY REQUIRE LESS LAND, THEY'RE MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND LESS EXPENSIVE TO CONSTRUCT.
UH, ON THE CON SIDE, THEY DO CREATE OCCASIONAL STACKING.
SO YOU HAVE THE PHASED MOVEMENT OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
SO PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT, UH, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, AND THEY ARE MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN IN THE LONG TERM, UH, BECAUSE OF THE COMPUTER AND MECHANICAL NATURE, UH, OF THOSE SIGNALS.
SO IN REVIEWING AND EVALUATING, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, NOTING THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY DID NOT PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION OF CIRCLE OR SIGNAL, UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
UH, THE CITY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
THE REASON THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UH, ARE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
UM, PART OF THE REASON THAT WE'RE ALL HERE TONIGHT IS THAT IT'S TAKEN US THIS POINT TO GET TO THIS POINT, AND WE STILL DO NOT HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UH, THIS IS FASTER TO CONSTRUCT AND IT IS MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
NOW, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, AT ALL, UH, MUCH IN THE PUBLIC FORUM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL OUT, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR TOWN HALL CONVERSATION THAT BOTH, UH, METRO PARKS AND THE CITY HAVE AN INTENT TO CONNECT THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY, CARRIAGE HILL METRO PARK, TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY IN TAYLORSVILLE METRO PARK.
THE MOST LOGICAL WAY TO DO THIS IS ACTUALLY THROUGH THE CARRIAGE TRAIL SUBDIVISION ALONG, UH, CARRIAGE TRAILS BOULEVARD, WHERE WE HAVE, UH, MULTI-USE PATHS ON BOTH THE NORTH SIDE, UH, AND SOUTH SIDE OF, UH, OF CARRIAGE TRAILS BOULEVARD.
SO, BECAUSE THIS IS THE EASIEST WAY TO GET TRAFFIC, EAST AND WEST, NON-MOTOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC, EAST AND WEST, IN ACCORDANCE WITH BOTH THE CITY'S LONG-TERM MASTER PLAN, UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO
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A CALL FOR, UM, THIS WITHIN THE, UH, RECREATION PLAN.AND THEN, UH, THE FIVE RIVERS METRO PARK PLAN.
UH, THE SIGNAL AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION REDUCES THE, UM, REDUCES THE PEDESTRIAN CONFLICTS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE COME WITH, UH, THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
UH, ONE, UH, THIRD IS, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS ARE COMMONLY ACCEPTED, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE NOT, UM, AS TRENDY, UH, I GUESS FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS AS TRAFFIC CIRCLES MIGHT BE.
UM, THEY ARE COMMONLY ACCEPTED.
UH, AND ALTHOUGH, UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL TRAFFIC CIRCLES WITHIN CARRIAGE TRAILS ON CARRIAGE TRAILS BOULEVARD, NOT EVERYONE WHO PASSES THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION IS A CARRIAGE TRAILS RESIDENT, AND THEREFORE MIGHT NOT BE AS COMFORTABLE NAVIGATING A, UH, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AS A CARRIAGE TRAILS RESIDENT.
UH, THE OTHER ISSUE HERE IS IT REQUIRES LESS LAND, WHILE THE INITIAL CONCEPT CALLS FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UH, THE MAJORITY OF IT TO BE, UH, WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
I WOULD NOTE THAT THE LARGE ISLAND TO THE LEFT OF THIS INTERSECTION, UH, IS NOT OWNED BY THE CITY THAT IS OWNED BY DECK.
AND THAT LAND TO THE EAST OF THIS INTERSECTION IS OWNED BY, UH, METRO PARKS.
SO WHILE I HAVE NO DOUBT BASED ON OUR WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH DECK, THAT ACQUIRING THE LAND, UH, IF WE NEED IT TO THE WEST, WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE.
UM, METRO PARKS AND THE PURPOSE AND NATURE IN WHICH THEY ACQUIRED THE SILO PROPERTY MAY NOT LEND THEM TO, UH, WORK WITH THE CITY IN A TIMELY MANNER TO CONSTRUCT, UH, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
AND THEN THE OTHER REASON IS THAT, UH, FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE FROM EXISTING SOURCES.
SO, UM, THE, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, ROUNDABOUT IS CURRENTLY ESTIMATED TO COST COST ABOUT 2.6 MILLION, IF I RECALL.
AND THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT IS PROPOSED HERE IS ESTIMATED TO COST ABOUT 1.5 MILLION.
UH, THE CITY DOES HAVE AN ABILITY TO FUND, UH, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UH, WITH THE RESOURCES THAT IT RECEIVES, UM, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
HOWEVER, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE LARGER, UM, OF THE, THE LARGER, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THE MORE, UH, EXPENSIVE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN ADDITION TO DELAYING, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE REALIZATION OF THE IMPROVEMENT WOULD REQUIRE THE CITY TO, UH, EITHER, UM, REDUCE ONGOING CAPITAL INVESTMENTS, UH, AND, AND REFOCUS, UH, ASSETS TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT OR TO, UH, TO ACQUIRE MONEY FROM, UH, UH, BONDING OR, UH, UH, SOME OTHER, UH, CAPACITY.
SO, UH, WE STILL DO HAVE SOME, UH, WE DO STILL HAVE A WAY TO GO.
UH, SO RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE LEFT TO DO, UH, WHICH IS, UH, TO RECEIVE THOSE 2 0 1 PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER DECK OWNERSHIP AND SEILER OWNERSHIP, UH, WE NEED TO COMPLETE AND EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT.
UH, AND THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IN, UH, IN THIS PRESENTATION ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT.
THEN WE NEED TO INITIATE THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT PROCESS.
UH, THEN THERE IS THE DESIGN BID, UH, THE DESIGN AND BID OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, THE, UH, THE SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES.
UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AND THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD WITH ALL THE PARTIES INVOLVED, UH, WE ARE FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR CAN ALL BE COMPLETED, UH, BY THE END OF, UH, THIS YEAR, 2024.
UH, AND THAT, UH, IT IS LIKELY THAT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL COULD BE BUILT AND CONSTRUCTED, UH, IN 2025.
UH, THE DESIGN WORK, UM, ON THE, UH, ON THE PROJECT IS APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS.
UH, AND THEN IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, WE WOULD BE USING A MA ARM SYSTEM.
SO THE POLE, UH, THE INVERTED LS, IF YOU WILL.
UH, AND THOSE ARE CUSTOM BUILT BASED ON THE DESIGN STANDARDS, AND THAT'S ABOUT A SIX MONTH LEAD TIME.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING THAT, UH, WE FEEL THAT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL COULD BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN 2025, BUT ALL OTHER ITEMS COULD BE, UH, COMPLETED WITHIN 2024.
SO, UH, THAT IS, UH, WHERE WE ARE WITH REGARD TO THE CARRIAGE TRAILS BOULEVARD AND BRANT PIKE INTERSECTION SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AS OF 7 0 4 ON JANUARY 31ST.
UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT ANYBODY MIGHT HAVE.
UH, AND THEN SEVERAL MEMBERS OF STAFF ARE HERE AS WELL, INCLUDING, UH, CITY MANAGER, THE CITY PLANNER, AND CITY ENGINEER.
JIM, CAN YOU TELL ME IF
UH, THE ROAD THAT GOES INTO HERE
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TOO, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY SOUTH OF THAT LOCATION.OKAY, SO THOSE, I THOUGHT THEY LOCKED OUT.
SO, UM, IF METRO PARKS WERE TO CHOOSE TO KEEP THAT DRIVEWAY, IT WOULD BE REALIGNED TO THE SIGNAL.
UM, AND IF THEY DID NOT, WELL, THEN IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE REMOVED AS PART OF THAT PROJECT.
BUT THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE WITH, WITH METRO PARKS.
UM, IN THE STUDY, UH, FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND FOR THE DESIGN, ARE WE LOOKING AT A, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING, UH, METHODS? SO IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, NO, WE'RE LOOKING AT, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, THIS IS A CONVENTIONAL STRAIGHT TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
THE SECOND QUESTION IS, DO YOU THINK THAT, UM, METRO PARKS WOULD BE MORE AMENABLE TO SUPPORTING THIS, UH, IF WE MADE A SIDEWALK CONNECTION FROM THE WEST SIDE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET, DOWN TO, UM, DOWN TO METRO PARK, THAT WOULD ALLOW THE RESIDENTS FROM CARRIAGE TRAILS TO, TO PROVIDE THEIR BICYCLES OR WHATEVER, TO GET DOWN INTO, UM, THE PARK? UH, I DON'T, I, I WANNA STATE JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT THAT METRO PARKS IN ANY OF OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, UM, HAVE NOT BEEN AGAINST THIS PROJECT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
SO I WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
UM, THERE IS, I THINK, AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH METRO PARKS ON THE, UM, ON THE, THE, UH, NON-MOTORIZED TRANSPORTATION COMPONENT, BUT TO DO SO IN ASSOCIATION WITH THIS PROJECT, I THINK WILL SIGNIFICANTLY DELAY THE REALIZATION OF ANY IMPROVEMENT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT STAFF WANTS TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO THAT.
SO OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH METRO PARKS, THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE STILL PLANNING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THES PROPERTY AND THEN NORTH UP TO SINGER ROAD.
SO THEY HAVEN'T MADE THOSE DETERMINATIONS YET, BUT I THINK WE JUST WANNA KEEP OUR OPTIONS OPEN.
SO ONE, UM, WHEN BETHEL SCHOOLS REACHED OUT SO FAR, THIS IS COMING FROM THE SAFETY CONCERN.
FROM THERE, WHY AREN'T THEY JUST REQUIRING THEIR BUS DRIVERS TO GO OUT FORWARD INTO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT INSTEAD OF TURN THE LIGHTS OUTTA THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHAT THEIR POLICY DECISIONS ARE.
I CAN JUST TELL YOU THE NATURE OF THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE HAVE AND THE NATURE OF THE COMMUNICATIONS WE HAVE, OR WITH RESPECT TO, UH, AN THERE ARE SEVERAL COMPONENTS IN THAT SCHOOL MEMBER, SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS' COMMUNICATIONS, ONE OF THEM BEING THIS PARTICULAR CEPTION THERE, SEE THE LOCAL PAGE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE MADE COMMENTS ABOUT, I'M GONNA CROSS MY FINGERS AND TURN LEFT.
WELL, IF YOU GUYS ARE MAKING THIS REACTION OUT OF A CRY FOR SAFETY, LET'S BE HONEST, IT'S INCONVENIENCE NOT SAFETY.
BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT SAYS IT'S THAT DANGEROUS TO TURN LEFT AND GO OUT 40 AND TURN RIGHT, GO TO A TRAFFIC LIGHT, TRAFFIC DOESN'T TAKE LONG.
I THINK LAPPING THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, THAT'S THE EASY ANSWER.
IT'S NOT THE BEST, BUT IF YOU HERE, IT'S GONNA TAKE LONGER.
IT MAKES ME THINK OF SOMETHING I WAS TOLD A WHILE BACK, DON'T TRADE WHAT YOU WANT MOST OR WHAT YOU WANT NOW.
AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IS EASY THAN THAT, BUT IT'S RESTRICTED.
SO DAVID AND I ARE ON THE PLAN.
WE BOTH WENT BACK THERE, WE'VE WORKED UP SOME MAP DRAWINGS, TWO TOGETHER, DON'T TAKE A TRAFFIC LIGHT, DON'T TAKE A ROUND AND GET YOU THE LEFT TURN LANE AND KEEP TRAFFIC GOING.
SO I JUST LIKE TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE ALL OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SIDE, BUT IT'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE OBVIOUSLY HAS DECIDED MONTHS AGO, BUT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IS LET'S SPEED UP INTO A TRAFFIC LIGHT AND RESTRICT TRAFFIC.
YOU SHOULD BE EXPLORING ALL OPTIONS, NOT ONE OPTION.
AND FROM A COST STANDPOINT, I'M PRETTY SURE THIS IS ALL COMING FROM TIP ANYWAY.
SO TIP INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING SHOULD BE COVERED.
YOU, WE DON'T SAY CHEAPEST AND FASTEST, BEST LONG.
I WOULD HOPE THE COUNCILS DOING ALL THAT.
JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING WHILE EXECUTIVE, THE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC IS INEVITABLY GOING TO INCREASE, BUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY'S NOT GONNA PICK THAT UP.
AND SO I THINK ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS IF THIS TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THERE'S PROBABLY PLENTY OF STACKING THERE ON THAT LEFT HAND TURN, BUT OVER TIME, THAT COULD BE A CONGESTED AREA THAT COULD PRODUCE JUST AS MANY PROBLEMS NOW, UM, OR THEN AS IT DOES NOW.
SO I JUST THINK THAT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, I AGREE, IT'S THE MOST OBVIOUS SOLUTION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S THE BEST SOLUTION.
I WOULD ALSO ASK EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL BEFORE ANY VOTE ON IT, GO DRIVE IN THE DAYTIME DRIVE IN NINE, YOU WANT TO SEE A TRAFFIC LIGHT, GO TO 2 0 2 AT TH RUSH HOUR AND SEE WHAT A TRAFFIC LIGHT LOOKS LIKE FROM
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HERE, KARAS PARKWAY ALMOST TO THE FIRE STATION.THAT'S WHAT A TRAFFIC LIGHT DOES IN THAT AREA WITHOUT MUCH TRAFFIC.
I WAS IN THE SCHOOL BOARD, UH, WHEN THIS CLAIM WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED, AND THIS WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED BACK WHEN DECK FIRST TOOK POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY, IT CAME TO THE BOARD OF EDUCATION AND THEY PRESENTED A PLAN WHICH HAD FOUR LANES WITH THE CENTER TURN LANE.
THEY ALSO HAD, UM, A, UH, TUNNEL CONNECTING CARRIAGE TRAILS WITH CARRIAGE TRAILS, THE PARK WHERE YOU COULD WALK UNDER THE HIGHWAY OR 2 0 1 AND OBTAIN YOUR WALKING OR YOUR, YOUR BIKE PATH OR WHATEVER ON THE OTHER SIDE WITHOUT THE NEED TO, TO GET ON OF 2 0 1.
THERE WAS NEVER A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE.
UM, IT WAS JUST A STRAIGHT SHOT WITH, WITH THE CENTER TURNS GOING IN, UH, OR I'M SORRY, THE, THE TURN GOING INTO CARRIAGE TRAIL OR WHAT WAS BENCH DROPPED, AND THEN YOU HAD THE, THE TUNNEL GOING UNDER, SO THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WOULD NOT BEEN ON THE HIGHWAY AT ALL.
I'M WONDERING WHY THAT THAT DRAWING IS A, ISN'T THERE? OR YOU HADN'T PITCHED THAT BY THE WAYSIDE? I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT WOULD BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE.
YOU ELIMINATE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, YOU ELIMINATE THE PEDESTRIAN PROBLEM, AND YOU COULD GET, GET THAT CENTER LANE OR THAT LANE TO TURN INTO THAT AREA, WHICH IS REALLY THE PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM IS GETTING IN AND GETTING OUT OF THERE SINCE I'M ON 40 AND I GO THAT WAY, I DEAL WITH IT ON A DAILY BASIS.
SO JUST KIND OF WONDERING WHY THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, UH, THE SAME TYPE OF A DEAL NOW OR WHAT THAT BEING CONSIDERED.
SO STAFF WAS RESPONDING TO THE NEED FOR AN IMPROVEMENT AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
THIS OR THE CIRCLE, THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, THE ROUNDABOUT ARE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT PROVIDE THAT REMEDY, THAT SAFETY IMPROVEMENT IN THE TIMELIEST MANNER POSSIBLE.
SO WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS PROPOSED, I CAN'T SAY THAT WAS NOT, UM, THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME WITH, THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME WITH THE ORGANIZATION.
SO ALL I CAN SAY IS WHEN WE PREPARED FOR THIS PRESENTATION, WHAT WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE WAS THAT AT LEAST THE INITIAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS APPROVED, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE CONCEPTS, BUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS APPROVED WAS APPROVED FOR A DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS A THIRD LESS DENSE THAN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE.
AND I CAN ONLY, AS AN ORGANIZATION, WE CAN ONLY IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THERE TODAY.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE PRESENTED THE, THE, THE MATERIAL, THE VISUAL MATERIAL THAT YOU'VE SEEN TODAY.
SO HOW MUCH GROUND ARE YOU ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT OBTAINING FROM FAIR TILL WITH REGARD TO, TO MAKING THE WIDER AREA? YEAH, SO YEAH, SO IN THIS PARTICULAR, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC MEASUREMENT OFF THE TOP.
YOU'RE GONNA MOVE OVER, REMOVE OVER, AND ACQUIRE GROUND FROM THE CARRY SHIELD? NO.
SO ALL OF THIS IMPROVEMENT TAKES PLACE WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THIS IS, YOU'RE ONLY TALKING 15 FEET OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD THEN, CORRECT? I I, I'M NOT SURE I, I, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT SPECIFIC MEASUREMENT, BUT WE WOULD NOT BE WORKING OUTSIDE OF WHAT IS THE EXISTING PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR CONCEPT.
I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I WAS MEETING THE ODOT THIS COMING WEEK REGARDING, UH, ALL OF THE TOWNSHIP ROADS.
AND I'LL ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME AND, AND I'M SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT MEASUREMENT.
I JUST DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IN THIS PARTICULAR MEETING.
ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY MEASURE OR WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY ADDITIONAL PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I THINK I WAS GONNA SAY THAT AS PART OF GETTING RIGHT OF WAY THERE FOR TO DO THE ROADWAY, IT'S FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD GOING TO THE EAST TO THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THAT WIDTH THERE, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, 30, 40 FEET AT LEAST THAT'S THE PIECE THAT CITY WAS TRYING TO PUT GET INTO THE CITY SO THAT WE COULD DO THE WORK.
SO THAT'S THE PART OF THE SILENT PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TAKING.
NOTHING MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT RIGHT AWAY.
AND THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT GOES FROM EXECUTIVE ALL THE WAY NORTH.
A LOT OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WAS NEVER DEDICATED.
IT WAS JUST IN PUBLIC EASEMENTS.
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SO SEE EVEN I GET IT CONFUSED.SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I NOTICED IT, BUT SO IF YOU'RE GOING IN TOWARDS BETHEL TOWNSHIP, THERE WILL BE WHAT, A LANE TO GO LEFT AND A LANE TO GO STRAIGHT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THEN WHAT WILL IT BE ON THE OTHER SIDE GOING INTO HUBER? WILL IT BE A LANE TO GO RIGHT, AND A LANE TO GO STRAIGHT? OR WILL IT BE TWO LANES GOING STRAIGHT AND YOU COULD GO, RIGHT, SO THIS WILL BE A LANE TO GO, UH, EXCUSE ME, A LANE TO GO STRAIGHT AND YOU CAN GO RIGHT FROM THAT LANE.
SO THAT'S, BUT THAT'S THE CONCEPT DRAWING AS IT EXISTS.
ONE LANE GOING HERE AND TWO LANES GOING INTO BETHEL.
IS THAT HOW YOU'RE SAYING? UH, CAN I SAY YEAH, THERE IS A, THERE'LL BE A HATCH AREA WHERE THERE'LL BE ANOTHER LANE THERE.
SO IF CARRIAGE, UH, CARRIAGE HILL EVER, UH, EXTENDS TO THE EAST FROM THE INTERSECTION FROM THE LIGHT, THERE WILL BE A LANE THERE THAT THEY CAN TAKE AWAY THE STRIPING AND THEY COULD MAKE A LEFT TURN INTO CARRIAGE HILL.
SO THERE'S AREA THERE TO DO IT, BUT IT'S JUST A, THERE'S NO NEED FOR A LEFT TURN OVER THERE GOING, RIGHT? YEAH.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WITH FOUR LANES ESSENTIALLY, BUT BASICALLY THE ONE IS GOING LEFT AND GOING INTO YOUR BATTLE.
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, BUT IT DOES SOUND LIKE SOME PEOPLE WERE WONDERING ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT AND SO FORTH, WHICH MY BELIEF ON ROUNDABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T COME NECESSARILY FROM HUBER HEIGHTS, BUT COMES FROM 70, IT COMES A LOT THROUGH VESSEL.
IT IS TRUCKS, THERE IS A LOT OF TRUCKS THAT WILL GO DOWN THAT ROAD, WHETHER THEY TURN ONTO 40 OR WHETHER THEY TURN ONTO 5 71, THEY COME THERE.
SO IF YOU WERE TO DO A ROUNDABOUT, I MEAN, IF THAT IS SOMETHING, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS CONSIDERED IN STONE OR NOT, THERE IS, THAT'S SOMETHING TO DEFINITELY KEEP IN MIND.
AND EVEN IF IT IS THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, THERE'S A LOT OF TRUCKS THAT WILL BE GOING THAT WAY THAT MAYBE HAVE TO NOT JUST BE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, BUT HAVE SOME OF THAT, WAIT A MINUTE, THERE'S MORE TO IT.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE THOSE TRUCKS GOING INTO HUBER OFF THE 70, BUT YOU DEFINITELY SEE THEM GOING INTO THAT HOLE.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL OUR RECOMMENDATION AS STAFF, WE'RE NOT IGNORANT TO THE WANTS AND THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
IF THE COMMUNITY IS WILLING TO WAIT, IF THE COMMUNITY IS WILLING TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY IS WILLING TO EXPRESS THAT INTEREST TO CITY COUNCIL, THAT WOULD, AND AND I, AND I'M JUST RESPONDING TO YOU BASED ON THE, ON THE, ON THE COMMENTARY, RIGHT? I PERSON THAT I'D RATHER HAVE A LIGHT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, MAINE, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THE WAY PEOPLE DRIVE IN TRAFFIC S IN CARRIAGE TRAILS AND IT'S KIND OF SCARY.
I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S OFFICIAL, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING.
AND SO IF YOU GUYS WERE THINKING THE TRAFFIC ARE FORWARD OR WHATEVER, JUST I HOPE YOU GUYS THOUGHT OF THE TRUCKS.
SO YEAH, SO, UM, IT'S, NOTHING IS COMMITTED UNTIL THE ENGINEER, THE DESIGN ENGINEER PUTS HIS PENCIL TO THE PAPER ON THE FIRST DAY, UH, THE CONTRACT'S EXECUTED.
NORTHEAST ARIZONA IS REMOVING THEIR ROUNDABOUT.
AND THE ROUNDABOUT AT 2 35 AND 41 IS NOT BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRUCK.
THAT IS, APPRECIATE THE INPUT.
UM, SO EARLIER IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU SAID ODOT ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT NEEDED A LEFT TURN LANE EARLIER IN, UH, A FEW YEARS BACK IN 2018.
WHY? WHY, WHY DID NO ONE GO FORWARD WITH THE LEFT TURN LANE AT THAT POINT? SO THE REASON THAT, I CAN ONLY GUESS, BUT THE REASON FOR THAT IS BASED ON ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT ODOT LOOKS AT WHEN IT IS TRYING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT.
WHILE THE TRAFFIC STUDY INDICATED THAT THAT IMPROVEMENT SHOULD BE MADE, PROBABLY THAT THE GRADING OR JUDGING CHARACTERISTICS UTILIZED BY ODOT DID NOT, THE CITY WAS NOT IN A POSITION TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION AND WE NEED OTTS PERMISSION TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENT, EVEN IF WE WERE TO FUND THE IMPROVEMENT.
AND YOU'LL NOTE, WELL, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT AT LENGTH IN A PORTION OF THIS PRESENTATION, BUT THERE IS AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION INVOLVING SEVERAL MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL ASKING ODOT IF THEY WILL ALLOW US TO PUT THE SIGNAL IN, EVEN IF WE PAY, EVEN IF WE PAY THE BILL, EVEN IF WE WERE TO COVER THE ENTIRE EXPENSE, UM, DESPITE IT BEING OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION.
AND THE RESPONSE REPEATEDLY FROM THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WAS THAT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND
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THE IMPROVEMENTS WERE NOT WARRANTED.SO THIS IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM AS WE DRILL BECAUSE OF 2 0 2, 2 0 1 2 3 5 40.
IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING THE RULES ON, NOT TO TALK ABOUT THE A WORD, BUT THE RULES FOR ANNEXATION HAVE CHANGED IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND WHAT WOULD NORMALLY, UM, WHERE THE RULES WOULD ALLOW FOR ANNEXATIONS TO OCCUR THAT DID NOT INCLUDE THE RIGHT OF WAY OR THAT WOULD DID NOT INCLUDE THE PUBLIC ROADWAY.
UM, THOSE RULES HAVE BEEN AMENDED IN THAT, UH, THE CITY, THE ACCEPTING JURISDICTION WOULD HAVE TO TAKE NOT PART OF THE ROAD, BUT ALL OF THE ROAD SO THAT SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, THEIR ABILITY TO OCCUR IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS FREQUENT.
SO LIKE 2 0 1, 2 0 2 WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES, YOU GUYS CAN DO WHAT YOU NEED AS YOU NEED TO DO IT WITHOUT ODOS INFLUENCE.
SO A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THERE'S A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UH, AT UH, MIAMI VALLEY WAY IN 2 0 1.
THAT SIGNAL WAS NOT WARRANTED BY THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND THE CITY INSTALLED THAT BECAUSE THE CITY BELIEVED THAT IT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT, UM, OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA TO HELP FACILITATE THE HOSPITAL.
SO YES, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE CITY HAVING THE ABILITY WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES DUE TO, UM, HOME RULE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THOSE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THAT'S WHY, IF YOU RECALL THE SLIDE WHERE WE SHOWED THE RED LINE MOVING THE, THE, THE BOUNDARY, THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO MOVE THAT LINE.
UH, MR. MERRILL YIELD GET BACK TO YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, OH, I'M SORRY, JAN.
UH, YES, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PRESENTATION WAS MADE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO FOR THE UNDERPASS TO GO IN THE CARRIAGE TRAIL, THE CARRIAGE HILL PARK.
I KNOW THAT IT EXISTS AND I KNOW THAT IT WAS TALKED ABOUT AND, AND CONSIDERED AT SOME POINT.
AND IF IT WAS NOT CONSIDERED THIS TIME, WHY NOT? SO YOU'RE, ARE YOU TALKING A PEDESTRIAN, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS UHHUH? SO, UM, SO UP UNTIL ABOUT 10 MINUTES AGO, I WAS NOT FAMILIAR, UH, THAT, THAT, SO PATH UNDERNEATH THERE, BIG CULVERT, BUT THAT WAS SO NO ROUNDABOUT, BUT IT PROBABLY WOULD BE VERY CONFLICT TO GO UNDERNEATH.
HOWEVER, IT'S ONE OR 2 MILLION.
SO DID YOU SAY 1.5 MILLION ON THE STRAIGHT THROUGH WITH THE LIGHT AND THEN 2.5 WOULD THE TURNAROUND? UH, I, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE COST OF THE ESTIMATED COST BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.
UH, RUSS IS THAT, I THINK IT WAS 1.6 FOR THE LIGHT, 2.5 FOR THE ROUND.
YEAH, I'VE GOT 2.5 FOR THE ROUND BUT NOT MAY REMEMBER THAT THUNDER PASS.
UM, WHEN WE DID, UH, BRIT PIKE PHASE SEVEN, WHICH WAS THE, FROM ROUGHLY SHOAL ROAD GOING NORTH UP TO THE COUNTY LINE, THERE'S A CITY LIMITS THERE, WE WINDED FIVE LANES, THERE'S A BRIDGE THERE.
AND ON THOSE PLANS, THERE WAS, THERE'S A, THE BRIDGE IS WIDE ENOUGH UNDERNEATH IT TO PUT IN A BIKE PATH AND IT WAS TALKED ABOUT AT THAT POINT TO INSTALL THAT, WHICH STILL COULD BE DONE, BUT AT THE TIME WE FELT IT WASN'T SAFE TO PUT THAT UNDER THERE BECAUSE WHEN HEAVY RAINS OR A FLOOD HAP IT WAS SITTING A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF THE CREEK RUNNING THROUGH IT.
BUT WE JUST FELT IT WASN'T SAFE ENOUGH TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
IF THERE WAS A MAJOR FLOOD OR SOMETHING, WE CAN'T HAVE A BIKE OUT TO DO AREA CALL THAT.
SO IT WAS DECIDED NOT TO PUT IT IN.
AND THAT'S, UH, THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE WEST SIDE OF THAT ROAD BY THAT BRIDGE, THERE IS A WIDER SIDEWALK THERE, I THINK EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK AND IT WAS, UH, SET UP FOR THAT TO GO UNDERNEATH THAT BRIDGE OVER DALE.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WE SAFE ENOUGH TO PUT IT IN.
QUESTION, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, SLOW.
SO THESE TWO GREEN OUT AREAS, IS THERE ANY REASON TO TAKE OUT THIS ONE THAT'S GOING SOUTHWARD HERE? THERE'S ALREADY PART OF ROAD THAT RUNS ALONG BRAND THAT CAN GO ALL THE WAY DOWN.
IT'S NOT FINISHED RIGHT? IT STOPS I THINK, RIGHT ABOUT WHERE THE QUARTER MILE? YEAH, ABOUT A QUARTER MILE.
IS THERE ANY REASON THAT THAT ROAD WOULDN'T BE COMPLETED AND FINISHED AND BECAUSE HAVE A CONTINUOUS RIGHT HAND TURN SOUTHBOUND THERE? SO IT'S POSSIBLE.
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IS AGAIN, CONCEPTUAL.SO YOU KNOW, IF THIS WERE THE DIRECTION THAT COUNSEL, UH, DECIDED, UH, TO SEND STAFF, THEN UH, A FULL DESIGN, UH, REVIEW AND EVALUATION WOULD BE DONE BY A, A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
AND IF THAT WAS A A, AN AMENITY TO BE OR A DESIGN FEATURE TO BE INCLUDED AS PART, THEN THAT WOULD BE REFLECTED.
I JUST THINK EVEN IF YOU HAD A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE, YOU WOULD ELIMINATE SOME STACKING AND QUITE BIT TRAFFIC, PARTICULARLY IN THE MORNING COMING SOUTH DOWN OUTTA CARRIAGE TRAILS IF YOU JUST CONTINUED THAT ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO EVEN IF YOU HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT WOULD THROUGH THINGS, IF YOU JUST LEFT THAT THERE AND JUST DRAW 'EM ALL THE WAY DOWN.
ON THE ONE, UH, COMING SOUTH AND THEN GOING INTO CARRIAGE TRAILS, THE SAME THING.
IF YOU COULD STILL CONTINUE THAT RIGHT HAND TURN, YOU WOULD ELIMINATE TRAFFIC STACKING IF THERE EVER WAS A SIGNAL OR EVEN WITH THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AND KEEP THAT WHEN COME IN AND THAT TRAFFIC OUT CONCERN EARLIER ABOUT ONE.
CAN I ASK, SO I KNOW THE RECOMMENDATION, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN DISCUSSIONS, IS THERE STILL, I GUESS FROM
SO I HAVE NOT HAD ANY ONGOING CONVERSATION WITH ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY MANAGER HAS ANY, HAD ANY ONGOING CONVERSATION WITH ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL, BUT THIS IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
SO I WOULD SUSPECT THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME WHEN THE ENGINEERING PROPOSALS ARE EVALUATED AND A RECOMMENDATION IS BROUGHT FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, I SUSPECT THAT THAT WOULD BE THE TIME THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE DEFINITIVE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHETHER OR NOT TRAFFIC SIGNAL ROUNDABOUT OR, UM, SOME TYPE OF ALTERNATIVE.
BRIAN, WERE, WERE ANY OTHER OPTIONS CONSIDERED IN THE STUDY? SO AGAIN, WE RECEIVED NO RECOMMENDATION, UH, FROM THE STUDY OTHER THAN, UH, THAT OTHER RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR THAT THEY DID.
WAS THERE ANOTHER, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BETTER QUESTION.
WAS THERE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAN, UM, A ROUNDABOUT OR SIGNAL INCLUDED AS PART OF THE STUDY? NO.
THAT THERE WERE A FEW DIFFERENT ROUNDABOUTS SHOWN TO US, BUT THAT WE PICKED THE BEST ONE THAT WE FELT WOULD WORK.
OTHER THAN THAT, NO, IT WAS ROUNDABOUT EARLY.
SO IT WAS ROUNDABOUT OR LIGHT.
SO GOING SOUTH, COMING OUT OF HERE, YOU'LL MAKE A CONTINUOUS RIGHT TURN LANE, ISN'T THERE A BRIDGE EVENTUALLY BEFORE YOU GET TO CARRIAGE TRAIL? THE TUNNEL THE ONLY BRIDGE ON BRENT THERE, YOU UNDERSTAND UNDERNEATH BRENT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONLY BRIDGE THERE IS DOWN BY JUST, WELL, IT'S JUST NORTH OF MEYER, WHICH IS WAY DOWN HERE.
IT'S NOT THAT, IT'S NOT THAT CLOSE.
SO BRIAN, WHAT CAN CITY STAFF BE WORKING ON, UM, AS THE COUNCIL MOVES THE, THE PROPOSAL YOU'RE GONNA GIVE TO US? WHAT, WHAT WILL YOU, I GOTTA KEEP YOUR FOOT ON THE GAS.
SO, UH, IF YOU COULD, UH, LAST SLIDE THERE.
SO, UH, RECEIVING THE 2 0 1, UH, PARCELS, UM, SO, UH, ACTUALLY THERE'S UH, AN EMAIL FROM ME THAT'S ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF OLD TO THE, UH, DEPUTY LAW DIRECTOR NOW, UM, ASKING HIM TO PROVIDE WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THIS PROCESS TO MOVE THE BOUNDARY.
SO WE'VE GIVEN, UM, DIRECTION TO THE, UH, TO THE LEGAL TEAM, UH, TO KEEP THIS THING MOVING FORWARD SO WE UNDERSTAND PROCESS AND TIMELINES, UH, COMPLETE AND EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT.
UH, WHAT WE ARE DOING, UH, AT THE MOMENT IS WE ARE TRYING TO GET, UH, BOTH THE COUNTY, UM, AND, UH, THE TOWNSHIP, UM, LEADERSHIP, THE NEW LEADERSHIP UP TO SPEED ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, MR. CLEARY AND, UH, GOSH DARN IT, BUT THE COUNTY, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE, THE GENTLEMAN OVER AT THE TOWNSHIP.
UH, MIKE IS HIS FIRST NAME, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THEM UP TO SPEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE, UH, MOVING FORWARD AND THAT THEY ARE STILL IN AGREEMENT WITH THE, UH, THE POINTS OF CONDITIONS THAT WE HAD STUCK, UH, THAT WE HAD, UM, UH, STRUCK BACK IN JANUARY OF UH, UH, 22.
SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE, OR 23.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE THAT.
UH, AND THEN, UH, AS YOU'VE HEARD ME COMMENT, UH, WE'VE GOT THE DESIGN, UH, PROPOSALS THAT ARE UNDER REVIEW, UH, STARTING NEXT WEEK.
AND SO WE EXPECT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO COUNSEL, UH, HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.
UM, SO THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE ARE PARTICULARLY DOING.
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HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONFIRM WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR THE PROCESS, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THE AGREEMENT AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A TARGET DATE TO ACTUALLY BEGIN THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT.SO, AND BASED ON THE FACT THAT THIS WILL BE TYPE ONE EXPEDITED, UH, IT'S 90 DAYS, NO OBJECTIONS ARE OFFERED, IT'S ABOUT 90 DAYS.
I THINK IT'S BETTER TO DO IT RIGHT THAN TO DO IT IN A HURRY.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE, UH, IN BROAD STROKES.
MR. MAYS, THERE'S ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD BEFORE? NOPE.