[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road January 8, 2024 6:00 P.M. ]
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I WILL CALL THE MEETING OF THE CITY A FEW HEIGHTS, PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. CASSIDY HERE.
I GARY WALTON, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR AFFIRM TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF OHIO, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF OHIO, THE CHARTER AND ALL ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF ER HEIGHTS, THE CHARTER AND ALL ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF HEIGHTS.
AND THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY, HONESTLY, AND IMPARTIALLY, AND I WILL FAITHFULLY, HONESTLY, AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES.
DISCHARGE THE DUTY OF MY OFFICE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES.
I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS OTHER THAN WHAT I'VE JUST WENT THROUGH.
IS ANYONE ELSE
I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS ON.
UH, THIS IS THE TIME FOR CITIZENS' COMMENTS ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA OF THIS EVENING IN HEARING.
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO SWEARING WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE YOU MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AND RESPOND I DO TO THEIR FOLLOWING OATH.
DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
UH, WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT AND YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM, UH, PLEASE, UH, SIGN IN ON THE SIGN IN SHEET PROVIDED AND STATE YOUR NAME.
OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER BUSINESS, UM, WE HAVE NO PENDING BUSINESS.
USE THE APPLICANT RIGHT WAY, OHIO, LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE FOR 67.392 ACRES FOR A CAMPGROUND.
RESORT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 81 21
MR. RELL, UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
ALRIGHT, SO, JUST A BIT OF A BACKGROUND.
UM, THIS IS ZONED, THIS WAS REZONED IN MAY, UM, FROM PLANNED COMMERCIAL TO AGRICULTURE.
UH, AND THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS EFFECTIVELY SOUTH OF THE STUBB STREET AT THE STUB OF CHARLES GATE.
UH, IT'S THE EAST, IT'S THE BACKSIDE OF, OF LOWE'S AND, AND SHOPPING CENTER.
WE COME BACK HERE BEHIND, UH, CAMPING WORLD, UH, AND THEN UP, UH, WILDCAT.
SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY THIS 67 ACRES RIGHT IN HERE.
UM, WHAT'S PROPOSED ULTIMATELY IS 167, UH, RV SITES, ALONG WITH 41, UH, CABIN SITES.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, IT WAS REZONED FROM PLANNING, PLANNING COMMERCIAL TO AGRICULTURE, UH, IN PART TO FACILITATE THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, OUR ONLINE ZONING DOESN'T WORK.
UH, SO THIS, I'M USING THE ZONING MAP THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.
UH, THIS IS THE AREA THAT IS ZONED AGRICULTURE, UM, INCLUDING A LOT OF THE, MOST OF THE STREETS BACK HERE IN THE TRAPPING CENTER ARE ACTUALLY PRIVATE STREETS, UM, AND EASEMENTS.
THEY'RE NOT DEDICATED, UH, RIGHT AWAY.
UM, THE AREA TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST IS ZONED PLAN COMMERCIAL.
UH, TO THE NORTH IS PLANNED RESIDENTIAL.
UM, ALL OF THESE SITES ESSENTIALLY, UH, ADJACENT TO, UH, WILDCAT
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ARE ALL DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP.UM, THE, THERE'S, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE, THE BEDROCK IS PRETTY SHALLOW.
UH, THERE'S A RAVINE THAT PRETTY MUCH BISECTS THESE, THE SITE INTO TWO.
SO YOU HAVE KIND OF TWO PADS, ONE ON EACH SIDE.
UH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF WILDCAT, UM, IS, UH, A STONE QUARRY, UH, ALSO ZONED AGRICULTURE.
UH, AND THEN THIS IS THE, AT THE MOMENT, UH, OUR RE UH, LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPING OR YARD WASTE RECYCLING, UH, FACILITY HERE, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF WILDCAT.
SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED, UH, SITE PLAN.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE TOPO LINES, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF TOPOGRAPHY, UM, IN THIS SITE.
UM, THE MAIN ENTRANCE WOULD BE OFF OF THIS PRIVATE STREET TO THE EAST OF, UH, CAMPING WORLD AND THEIR MAINTENANCE FACILITY COMING UP, UH, SPREADING, UH, THROUGH THIS AREA.
UH, THIS IS THE, I GUESS THE PHASE ONE HERE OF THE RV, UM, CAMPING PADS.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THE SECOND PHASE OR THIRD PHASE WOULD BE TO THE, TO THE WEST HERE.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL OF THE NATURAL FEATURES THAT ARE ON THIS SITE.
UH, THERE'S A STREAM THAT COMES DOWN THIS WAY, UM, INTO THE FIRST, THE ACTUAL REAL POND.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A RETENTION POND HERE.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A WETLANDS THAT IS, UH, JUST SOUTH OF THAT.
ULTIMATELY THEN IT DRAINS, UH, ACROSS, UH, I 70 AND ULTIMATELY INTO THE, INTO THE MIAMI RIVER.
UM, THIS IS A DIFFICULT DEVELOPED SITE, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE, DURING THE, UM, REZONING FROM THE SHALLOW BED WALK ROCK TO THE TOPOGRAPHY, UH, TO THE WETLANDS ON THE EAST SIDE.
UH, I THINK THAT IF IT WERE EASIER TO HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, IT WOULD'VE BEEN ALREADY.
UM, AND SO, UM, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE, THE BETTER USES FOR THIS, UH, PROPERTY.
THERE'S A, AN AMENITY FEATURE HERE IN THE CENTER, UM, AS FAR AS RECREATION, UH, OPTIONS OR AMENITIES FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, THE VISITORS AS FAR AS, UH, PARKS, UM, BASKETBALL COURTS, THAT KIND OF OF THING THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IN A CAMPGROUND.
SO AS FAR AS THE ZONING REGULATIONS, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE IN THAT IT'S, IT IS A, UH, A SIMPLY A SPECIAL USE, UM, IN THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE IS REALLY TO EITHER APPROVE OR DENY, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE SPECIAL USE.
UM, SITE PLAN REVIEW ISN'T AS IMPORTANT, UH, AS, AS PART OF THE, THE SPECIAL USE REVIEW.
UM, THERE ARE, UH, GENERAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE SPELLED OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH I'LL GO OVER.
UH, THE HIGHLIGHTS, I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL OF THEM TO YOU THAT ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT THAT I MENTIONED.
UM, ONE, THE APPLICANT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE FIRE PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS.
THE FIRE CODE BASICALLY TREATS, UM, RV STRUCTURES AS ANY OTHER TYPE OF STRUCTURE, UM, AND WOULD REQUIRE IF A STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE FIRE CODE WOULD REQUIRE HYDRATES EVERY 400 FEET.
UM, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T THINK THAT THAT IS NECESSARY.
UM, BUT THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL AS WELL AS, UH, OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BUILT MORE OF AN URBAN CAMPGROUND TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE APPROPRIATE, UH, SPACING DISTANCE FOR FIRE HYDRANTS REALLY IS.
AND IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE LAYOUT AT THE SITE.
UM, BUT IT WILL IMPACT UTILITY PLANNING FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.
UH, AT THE MOMENT, UH, THE STORM WATER IS MITIGATED THROUGH THE EXISTING RETENTION PONDS.
THERE IS WATER IN SANITARY SERVICE, UM, ON SITE SANITARY RUNS THROUGH THE SITE.
UM, WATER SERVICE WILL BE DETERMINED BASED ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S, UM, SPACING ALLOCATIONS OF WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, WHERE THEY'D LIKE TO SEE THE HYDRANTS.
UM, AS I SAID, THE PLANNING CONS PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO CONSIDER THE SPECIAL USE APPROVAL.
UH, AND IF IT IS APPROVED, UM, A LETTER WILL BE SENT BY ME TO THE HEALTH OF THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, INDICATING CAMPGROUND IS ZONED APPROPRIATELY.
WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT CAMPGROUNDS IN OHIO, OR MAYBE, OR AT LEAST WHAT YOU BROUGHT CAMPGROUNDS, IS THAT THE ULTIMATE APPROVAL AUTHORITY RESTS WITH THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
UM, SO NO MATTER WHAT IS DECIDED HERE, UM, THERE IS STILL THE FINAL DETERMINATION WILL BE MADE BY THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WEIGHS IN INDEPENDENTLY, THE CITY ENGINEER WEIGHS INDEPENDENTLY, AND THEN THE, THE CITY PLANNING OR ZONING WEIGHS IN INDEPENDENTLY ALL TO THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WHO MAKES THE FINAL CALL.
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SO THERE ARE 10 GENERAL, UH, CONDITIONS THAT, UM, ARE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE LAID OUT IN THE, UM, ZONING CODE IN THOSE, UH, IT'S CHAPTER 1130 5.1.THEY WERE LAID OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT.
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EVERY, UH, ONE OF THEM, UM, BUT I WILL HIGHLIGHT TWO OF THEM.
UM, THE SECOND GENERAL REQUIREMENT IS THAT, UM, THIS, THE USE SHALL BE HARMONIOUS WITH IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GENERAL OBJECTIVES OR WITH ANY SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES OF THE CITY AND OR ZONING ORDINANCES.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WITH OUR NEW, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THIS AREA IS PART OF THE, THE CENTER DEVELOPMENT, SPECIFICALLY THE RIVERFRONT, UM, DEVELOPMENT CENTER, UH, OR DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
AND WHAT THAT PLAN STATES IS THAT THE RIVERFRONT CENTER WILL LIKELY BE IN THE LONG TERM DEVELOPED, BUT IT REPRESENTS A KEY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO LEVERAGE ITS PROXIMITY, PROXIMITY TO DESIRABLE NATURAL RESOURCES, UM, AND DESTINATIONS SUCH AS THE GREAT MIAMI RIVER, METRO PARKS, SPORTS FIELDS, RESTAURANTS, ET CETERA.
UM, A BROAD MIX OF, UH, RECREATION OR USES CAN BE INCORPORATED, UM, BUT IT'S FOCUSED ON HIGH QUALITY RECREATION AND HEALTHY LIVING.
SO, STAFF'S VIEW IS THAT THE CAMPGROUND CONCEPT IS CONSISTENT WITH THIS PROVISION OF THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IS A GOOD USE FOR, FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, LAND.
DIDN'T TOUCH, DIDN'T TOUCH IT.
AND I'M ALSO UNDER THE WEATHER, SO I APOLOGIZE.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE, UM, THE AREA HAS, UM, UH, VARYING TOPOGRAPHY AND SHALLOW BEDROCK.
THE CAMPGROUND'S GONNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TWO EXISTING WETLANDS IN THE NATURAL FEATURES SUCH AS THE STREAM THAT RUNS THROUGH, UH, THE MIDDLE, THE MATURE TREES, AND ITS RELATIVELY SECLUDED LOCATION.
UM, SO STAFF FEELS THAT THE APPLICATION OF, UM, CONFIRMS WITH THIS PARTICULAR GENERAL REQUIREMENT.
THE NEXT GENERAL REQUIREMENT THAT, UH, I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS, UM, IT WOULD BE GENERAL REQUIREMENT NUMBER, UH, FIVE, UM, OR G IN THE, IN THE ZONING RESOLUTION OR ZONING ORDINANCE.
BUT EFFECTIVELY IT'S TALKS ABOUT PUBLIC UTILITY SERVICES AND PUBLIC FACILITIES, UM, AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT THOSE ARE ADEQUATE, UH, TO PROVIDE FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS WATER AND SANITARY, UM, UTILITIES AVAILABLE TO SERVICE THE SITE.
THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY ENGINEER TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FOR HYDRANTS AND, UH, PARTICULAR UTILITIES.
AND AS I MENTIONED, UNDER STATE LAW.
BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND CITY ENGINEER WILL TE NEED TO APPROVE THE PRO PLANS SEPARATELY BEFORE THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH ISSUES, UH, ANY KIND OF PERMIT OR CONSTRUCTION.
SO AT THE END, UM, AFTER REVIEWING ALL OF THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS, UM, THE STAFF DOES FEEL THAT THE APPLICATION MEETS THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, WHILE THE UTILITY PLANS HAVE NOT BEEN COMPLETED YET, THOSE APPROVALS WILL BE REQUIRED SEPARATELY, UH, BEFORE ANY PERMITS ARE ARE ISSUED.
UM, STAFF FEELS THAT THE GENERAL STANDARDS OUTLINE IN SECTION 1130 5.10 CAN BE MET.
UH, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVING WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT ALL SIGNS CONFORM TO CHAPTER 1189.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, UNDER THE ZONING CODE, NO HIGHWAY WEIGHT ORIENTED SIGNS WOULD BE PERMITTED.
UH, IT'S NOT, IT'S NO LONGER A PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
WE DO NOT PERMIT, YOU KNOW, THE 200 FOOT TALL OR 50 FOOT TALL, UH, HIGHWAY ORIENTED SIGNS IN THE AGRICULTURE DISTRICT.
UH, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ANY FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN THE THIRD CONDITION WOULD BE THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH ANY CITY ENGINEERING, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTION.
YOU CAN APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE WITH OR WITHOUT THE CONDITIONS.
UH, YOU CAN DENY THE SPECIAL USE, YOU SHOULD STATE WHY, UM, THE SPECIFIC REASONS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, OR YOU CAN TABLE THE APPLICATION TO, UH, OBTAIN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, SIR.
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I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE TO BE PRIVATE STREETS, IS THAT CORRECT? EVERYTHING IN THIS ENTIRE THING WOULD BE PRIVATE STREETS? CORRECT? WILL THEY HAVE STREETLIGHTS OF ANY KIND? SO THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE STREETLIGHTS.UM, THERE, THERE WILL BE SOME STREET, THERE WILL BE SOME SAFETY LIGHTING.
BUT BY STATE LAW, THE ONLY REAL REQUIREMENTS FOR STREET LIGHTING IS AT INTERSECTIONS.
UM, THESE ARE PRIVATE STREETS.
UM, I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WILL HAVE, UM, THERE WILL BE SOME LIGHTING, BUT UM, THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO CONFORM TO OUR, UM, STREET LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS REALLY CORRECT.
WHO'S, WHOSE DO THEY CONFORM TO? SO THIS WOULD BE KIND OF LIKE ANY OTHER, UM, THIS WOULD BE, THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT DOESN'T REALLY REQUIRE, UM, THAT THE PARKING LOT LIGHTING OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
LIKE IT WOULD IF IT WERE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WHERE WE HAVE MINIMUM LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS IN, UM, FOR MINIMUM FOOT CANDLE IN THE, UH, PARKING LOTS.
AND ON THE MAP YOU HAVE, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN YELLOW, UH, THOSE BUILDINGS, THE PLAYGROUNDS AND BASKETBALL COURTS.
AND PHASE ONE CABINS, ARE THOSE THE ONES THAT ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DETENTION POND? I ARE THERE TWO PINKS AND THEY'RE HARD TO DETERMINE WHICH IS, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT THE PHASE ONE CABINS ARE, UH, ALONG, ALONG THE, THE POND, UM, THE ONLY, YEAH, ALONG THE POND THERE IS ACCESS FROM WILDCAT.
WE ARE, UH, IN THE PROCESS, JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING A SALES PURCHASE, UH, SALES AGREEMENT FOR THE LAND THAT WE OWN TO THE WEST OF A WILDCAT, UM, THE, THE, UM, YARD WASTE RECYCLING AREA FOR, TO SUPPORT THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
TO GET TO YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOUR QUESTION SIDE.
IT'S ALONG THE, UH, RETENTION POND.
SO OUR, WHERE IS A SITTING LINE RIGHT HERE BACK TO OKAY.
AND WILL THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS TO WHEN THEY FILL THOSE CABINS? NO, I DO NOT.
UM, THE, THERE, THE ACQUISITION OF THAT LAND REALLY IS TO PROVIDE BETTER SECURITY TO THE SITE.
UM, THERE ARE ACTIVITIES THAT TAKE PLACE AT THE DEAD END OF THE WILDCAT THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT WOULD ASSUME OR PREFER THAT THAT NOT HAPPEN.
I KNOW THAT THERE, YOU HAVE TWO ENTRANCES.
IT APPEARS THAT ONE OF 'EM GO, KIND OF GOES BY THE STOPPING CENTER AND THE OTHER ONE GOES OVER, OVER BY LOWE'S.
SO THERE'S REALLY, AM I SEEING THAT CORRECT? UM, IT'S KIND OF, SO ON THE SITE PLAN, THE ENTRANCE TO THE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ONE BY LOWE'S, IT IS TECHNICALLY RIGHT AWAY OR NOT.
SORRY, IT'S TECHNICALLY AN EASEMENT.
THERE'S OH, IT DOESN'T, THERE, THERE'S A, SO THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE ENTRANCE.
THERE WILL BE ONE ENTRANCE ON THE EAST, UH, SOUTH SIDE HERE, UHHUH, UM, WHERE, AND THEN THERE WILL BE AN EMERGENCY EXIT OFF OF CHARLES GATE IF THERE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AT THE MOMENT.
SO EFFECTIVELY THERE'S ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT FOR THE GENERAL USER, BUT THERE WILL BE, UH, ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES OFF OF CHARLES GATE AND POTENTIALLY OFF OF WILDCAT.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE SITE PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ENTRANCE FROM LOWE'S THAT REALLY DOESN'T EXIST.
IT'S AN EASEMENT AND THEN THERE'S A 50 OR 40 FOOT DROP FROM THE TOP OF THE PLATEAU TO THE, TO THE BOTTOM.
SO IT'S REALLY ON PAPER, IT, IT PHYSICALLY DOESN'T EXIST.
SO THAT'S NOT EVEN GOING TO BE AN EMERGENCY.
UM, I ASKED YOU ABOUT STREETLIGHTS.
UH, WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT THE SIGNS ALLOWED ON THE HIGHWAY? THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
SO IF SOMEONE, SOMEONE DRIVING DOWN I 70 WON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A CAMPGROUND THERE, SO, UH, YOU COULD NOT PUT THE WAY OUR ZONING RESOLUTION IS WRITTEN YOU, SINCE IT'S ZONED AGRICULTURE, YOU CAN'T PUT ONE OF THE LARGE BILLBOARD TYPE HIGHWAY ORIENTED SIGNS, UM, AT THIS PROPERTY.
NOW, CAN IT BE ADDED TO THE HIGHWAY SIGNS? YEAH.
IF THEY WANT TO WORK WITH ODOT TO BUY, UH, YEAH, YEAH.
UH, ONE OF THE BLUE SIGNS, THEY CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
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ALRIGHT.UH, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO AARON, RIGHT NOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE I GOT THIS RIGHT, SO CHARLES GATE ROAD ACCESS WILL BE EMERGENCY EXIT ONLY FOR RIGHT NOW OUR EMERGENCY VEHICLES WILL LEAVE.
WE HAVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND EXIT OFF OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ROAD IS BY CAMPING WORLD.
CAMPING WORLD AVENUE, WE'LL CALL IT THAT,
AND THEN WILDCAT ROAD WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE A CONNECTION AS WELL.
SO AT THIS, AT THIS MOMENT, THE, THE, THE DEAD END WILL, WILL, WILL STAY THERE.
UH, I ANTICIPATE, AND, AND I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING FORWARD, DOWN THE ROAD THERE WILL PROBABLY, IF THIS WAS EVER TO EXPAND, THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE ANOTHER ENTRANCE FOR, FOR AN EXPANSION.
THAT WILDCAT ROAD'S A LITTLE BUMPY IN THAT SECTION.
YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT RUNS ACROSS THAT ROAD, SO IT'S NOT A GREAT RIGHT.
SO, AND, AND THE, THE, UM, IS IT MARTIN MARIETTA, THE, THE MINERAL EXTRACTION COMPANY HAS EASEMENTS BASICALLY FROM WILDCAT TO GIVE BACK TO SOME PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN EVEN FURTHER WEST.
SO WILDCAT ISN'T GOING TO GO AWAY UNLESS THOSE EASEMENTS ARE NEGOTIATED, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD GIVE UP THOSE RIGHTS.
BEFORE YOU GET OFF OF WILDCAT, UM, IS, IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED, DO, CAN THEY JUST MAKE AN ENTRANCE THERE OR DO THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE CITY TO DO THAT? SO AT SOME POINT IN TIME, IF THEY WANT TO, UM, CHANGE THE CONFIGURATION OF WILDCAT, THEY WOULD NEED TO COME TO THE CITY TO EITHER VACATE A PORTION OF IT OR, UM, TO, TO, UM, MAKE SOME OTHER CONFIGURATION THAT WOULD, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, THAT MAY REQUIRE, UM, A TRIP IN FRONT OF, OF THIS BOARD, THIS BOARD.
UM, OR IT COULD BE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WANT TO DO.
BUT IF IT, IF THEY WERE, IF THE, UM, DESIRE WAS TO VACATE THAT RIGHT AWAY, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A TRIP IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD AS WELL AS APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL.
AND THAT CHARLES GATE ROAD ACCESS, WILL THAT BE A PAVED ROAD OR WILL THAT BE GRAVEL? ANY? IT WILL NEED TO BE, UM, I THINK THEY'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THE ACTUAL MATERIALS, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE BEEFY ENOUGH TO HANDLE THE, UH, APPARATUS.
UH, IN THE PAST WE'VE, WE'VE USED, UM, GRASS PAVERS, SO IT GROWS UP, BUT THROUGH THERE, BUT IT CAN STILL HOLD THE WEIGHT OF THE FIRE APPARATUS.
UH, MY GUESS IS IT WILL BE SOME KIND OF AGGREGATE.
UM, WHAT IT IS IS TO BE DETERMINED AS PART OF, I BELIEVE, THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT ARE AND THE DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
YEAH, I THINK MY PREFERENCE ON THAT WOULD BE TO MAKE THAT AN ACTUAL EXIT FROM CHARLES GATE, BECAUSE I DON'T MIND THE PLAN TO ROUTE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC TO THAT LIGHT OFF OF CAMPING WORLDWAY.
UM, BUT I THINK HAVING ANOTHER OPTION FOR THAT CHARLES GATE WOULD BE A REALLY NICE OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO HEAD OUT THE OTHER WAY.
INSTEAD OF BACKING IT ALL THE WAY UP.
BECAUSE IF YOU GOT TWO OR THREE, YOU KNOW, RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AT THAT LIGHT, IT'S GONNA STACK UP THAT WHOLE AREA.
SO I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE CONVENIENT, NICE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE OPTION, UM, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THEY DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN ENTRYWAY THOUGH, IS THAT CORRECT? OR CAN I EXPLAIN THAT? YEAH, SO THIS IS, YEAH, YOU, YOU SHOULD ASKED IT.
UM, I WILL SAY ON THE, FROM A FIRE TRUCK ACCESS PERSPECTIVE, THESE LOOK LIKE SOME PRETTY TIGHT RADIUSES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN HERE.
SO WE'LL LET THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT THOSE, THOSE SEEM TO BE PRETTY TIGHT IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN SOME OF THE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS BEING THE FIRST CAMPGROUND I'VE SEEN, IT JUST LOOKS, IT LOOKS PINCHED A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF THE ACCESS POINTS.
YEAH, THEY'VE PULLED BACK THE RADIUSES IN MANY CASES.
UM, TO WHERE, I MEAN, JUST EYEBALLING IT, I THINK THE ONLY AREA THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL TAKE CARE OF, WOULD BE THE WAY THIS, THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS DESIGNED HERE OFF OF, I'M JUST CALLING IT, UH, CAMPING WORLDWAY.
UM, I KNOW THAT THEY, THEY ARE ALSO DISCUSSING THE WIDTH OF, UM, THIS ACCESS RIGHT NOW.
IT'S, UM, IT IS, UM, 10 FEET, 10 FEET.
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ANTICIPATING THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE WIDER.UM, FROM THE, THE DIAGRAM, UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT FIRE ART HYDRANTS, THIS RETENTION BASIN, DOES IT DRAIN, IT DRAINS TO THE SOUTH? IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOES UNDER WILDCAT ROAD.
DO WE KNOW WHERE THIS DRAINS TO? YEAH.
UM, LET ME GO TO THIS OTHER, SO THERE'S A KIND OF A SMALL LITTLE DAM ISH THING HERE.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S A WETLAND HERE AND IT POPS UNDER WILDCAT AND KIND OF GOES OUT, ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S THIS WAY, IT GOES OUT THIS WAY.
SO YEAH, IT GOES UNDER WILDCAT AND ALSO GOES UNDER 70.
IF I, I THINK I'M CORRECT, ABOUT 70.
DO WE KNOW WHERE IT EMPTIES INTO? UH, IT, IT EMPTIES INTO THE, THE MAN.
UM, AND THEN I THINK MY LAST COMMENT FOR YOU WILL JUST BE, I KNOW OUR BITE LOOP IS GONNA BE RUNNING PRETTY CLOSE TO THIS LOCATION, SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, JUST CONSIDER HOW THAT'S GONNA TIE INTO POSSIBLY HOW THIS IS.
I I WILL SAY THAT'S NOT MY LAST COMMENT.
MY LAST COMMENT IS, I THINK FROM, TO JAN'S POINT ON THE, THE SIGNAGE, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY HAD A LITTLE MORE MARKETABILITY FLEXIBILITY WITH REGARDS TO HIGHWAY SIGNAGE.
SO I WOULDN'T BE TOTALLY OPPOSED TO SOME SORT OF A SIGN.
MAYBE IT'S NOT A MASSIVE SIGN, BUT I THINK SOMETHING WOULD BE HELPFUL THERE, BUT OKAY.
IF THERE'S ALTERNATIVE OPINIONS ON THAT, FEEL FREE.
SO THEN WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, UM, IS BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE GENEROUS THAN MAYBE THE BCA WOULD BE, UM, IS WE COULD SAY, UM, CONDITION NUMBER ONE WOULD BE ALL SIGNED SHALL FORM TO CHAPTER 1189 UNLESS OTHERWISE, UH, APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME WHEN THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, THEY CAN COME IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD.
I THINK NOT HAVING TO SIGN UP IS KIND OF A NET NEGATIVE OVERALL.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE GUARDIAN OR UGLY, BUT SOMETHING, AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY, YOU KNOW, NOT THE GENEROSITY OF THE VZA, THE VZA IS ALSO CONSTRAINED BY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE NEED TO PROVE A HARDSHIP.
AND JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT A HARDSHIP.
I JUST THINK THE NATURE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE ZONING IT AGRICULTURE, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT SHOULD NEGATE THE ABILITY FOR, TO PUT UP SOME SORT OF RELEVANT SIGNAGE FOR THE, THE BUSINESS.
ARE, ARE YOU MAKING THAT CHANGE ON THERE? YEP.
DOES ANYONE FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THAT? I AGREE.
THE SUBS, SO TO KIND OF GO BACK TO THE LIGHTING, UM, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'LL HAVE LIKE CABIN LIGHTS, LIKE FOR THE CABINS, THEY'LL HAVE LIGHTS ON.
I MEAN, OTHERWISE IT'S GONNA BE A PRETTY DARK, UM, PRETTY DARK LOCATION FOR PEOPLE WALKING, YOU KNOW, FROM
UM, AND, AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION, BUT WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE TIMELINE THAT THIS FACILITY WILL BE IN OPERATION WILL BE ROUND.
UH, WILL IT JUST BE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SPRING, SUMMER, YOU KNOW, TO MAYBE MID-FALL? UM, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, WHAT THEY'VE INDICATED IS THAT, UH, IT WOULD OPERATE SIMILAR TO OTHER CAMPGROUNDS, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH LIKE A MARCH TO NOVEMBER KIND OF TIMELINE.
SO BASICALLY NINE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, THE ONES THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH, BECAUSE MY PARENTS GO TO THEM, UH, AROUND THIS AREA, UH, OPEN UP KIND OF LATE MARCH, EARLY APRIL AND GO THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, LATE NOVEMBER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, MY NAME'S MIKE STAFFER.
I'M THE, UH, PRESIDENT OF RIGHTWAY OHIO AND I'M THE ONE THAT'S IN
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CHARGE OF PUTTING THIS CAMPGROUND TOGETHER.YOU'VE ASKED A LOT OF REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS, UH, AND I'M HOPING TO TRY TO GIVE YOU AS MANY GOOD ANSWERS AS I CAN.
SO, UM, UH, DID YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS OR YOU WANT TO GO BACK WITH ME THE QUESTIONS? HOW DO YOU WANT DO THIS? LET'S JUST SHOOT THE QUESTIONS BACK AT HIM.
'CAUSE I THINK I, THAT WAS A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS AND I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO ANSWER EVERY ONE OF EM.
UM, IN TERMS OF THIS, UH, RETENTION BASIN, IS THERE GONNA BE SWIMMING, BOATING, FISHING, ALL THOSE ACTIVITIES HAPPENING? OR WHAT'S YOUR VISION THERE? UH, WHAT I PLAN IS TO HAVE A FISHING PLATFORM THERE, DO SOME CATCHING RELEASE FISHING.
EVERYTHING WE DO WITH THAT, UH, I CALL IT A LAKE.
IT'S SIX ACRES, UH, COMES UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES.
'CAUSE IT'S MORE THAN A 50 CUBIC ACRE LAKE.
AND IT HAS A SPILLWAY ON IT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAINTAIN.
SO I'D ALSO LIKE TO HAVE SOME THINGS WHERE WE COULD DO ON TOP OF THE WATER, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN THOSE, UH, LIKE GIANT DUCKS THAT PEOPLE PADDLE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
THERE'S NO INTENTION FOR ANYBODY TO SWIM IN THE WATER.
UM, I'D ALSO, IT WOULD BE NICE TO PUT A COUPLE FOUNTAINS OUT THERE IN THE WATER THAT IT WOULD LIGHT THAT WOULD GIVE IT A FEATURE.
AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO LET US SEE IF HOW DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES WILL ALLOW US TO DO THAT.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S MORE GOING TO BE JUST AN AMENITY THAT YOU CAN WALK AROUND, BUT PUT SOME BENCHES THERE THAT PEOPLE CAN SIT PEOPLE LIKE WATER.
THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENTIONS FOR THE WATER.
AND WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN, UM, ALL THE NATURAL FLOW OF EVERYTHING.
WE CAN'T, NEITHER THE OHIO DEPARTMENT NATURAL RESOURCES, THE EPA OR WILL ALLOW US TO DO ANYTHING TO ALTER THE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS IN.
I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE SWIMMING THAT KIND OF OPENS UP A WHOLE DIFFERENT, UH, SET OF ISSUES.
SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE A SWIMMING POOL THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FACILITY'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE FEATURES, UH, IN THE CAMPGROUND.
SO THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE WILL SWIM.
IN TERMS OF, UM, YOUR RV SITES, ARE THESE GONNA BE FULL HOOKUP WITH THE SEWAGE KIND OF GOING OUT TO THE, THE UNDERGROUND SYSTEMS? OR WILL YOU HAVE ANY SITES WHERE PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO SORT OF GO OFFSITE AND DUMP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? EVERY SITE IS INTENDED TO HAVE ELECTRICAL WATER AND SEW HOOKUPS.
THE BLUE SITES THAT YOU SEE THERE, THOSE ARE WHAT THEY CALL PULL THROUGHS.
THAT SEEMS TO BE MORE POPULAR THESE DAYS, IS THE PEOPLE DON'T BACK UP AS EASY AS, AS THEY USED TO.
SO THEY MIGHT PULL THROUGH THE SITES.
SO I THINK WE ARE ABOUT 40 SOME, UH, PULL THROUGHS AND A HUNDRED AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TOTAL, A HUNDRED SOME MAYBE OF, UH, BACKUP, UH, BACKEND SPOTS.
AND THE CABINS, THEY'LL BE FULL RESTROOM INSIDE AND ALL THAT? OR WILL THERE BE COMMON SHOWERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UH, EACH CABIN THAT WE'VE GOT DESIGNED, THEY'RE NOT VERY BIG.
THEY'RE ABOUT 500 SQUARE FEET.
THEY'LL HAVE A SINGLE BEDROOM AND A SET OF BUNK BEDS WITHIN THE CABIN.
THEY'RE DESIGNED TO HAVE ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO FOUR PEOPLE IN EACH CABIN.
MAYBE I, MAYBE I'LL WALK OVER THAT MAP AND I'LL KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING.
'CAUSE THAT'LL PROBABLY ANSWER A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
FIRST OFF, THIS IS GONNA BE ENTRANCE ONLY IN THE PARK.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO CAMPING WORLD AND THIS HERE IS GONNA BE WHERE WE'RE GONNA EXIT OUT OF THE PARK.
UH, AND THEY WANT THAT OBVIOUSLY FOR THEIR BUSINESS PEOPLE COMING AND BUY THEIR BUSINESS AND PULLING CAMPERS AND WANTING TO SEE WHAT THEY GOTTA BUY THINGS.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE, THIS WILL BE ABOUT A 25 FOOT WIDE ENTRANCE.
THERE'LL BE A, A GATE, A PLACE THERE WHERE YOU HAVE TO CHECK IN EITHER A CODE OR TALK TO SOMEBODY TO GET INTO THE CAMPGROUND.
BUT THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO EXIT THROUGH THIS AND BEFORE YOU GET INTO THAT CHECK, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN EXIT.
IF THEY COME IN THERE AND I'M MISTAKEN OR THEY'RE NOT GETTING IN, UH, THE CHARLES GATE.
WHAT WE INTENDED TO DO THERE WAS TO MAKE THAT EMERGENCY EXIT ONLY AS A THIRD KIND OF EXIT.
IT WAS GONNA BE A GRAVEL EXIT, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA BE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE.
SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN AVOID ON THE SECOND, THIRD PHASE OF THIS GOING THROUGH THE CAMPGROUNDS.
AND THE REASON WE DID THAT, INSTEAD OF MAKING THAT AN ENTRANCE NEXT UP THERE IS THERE'S NO LIGHT AT CHARLES GATE.
PLUS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THOSE COMMUNITIES.
AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A GOOD THING TO DO.
UM, I THOUGHT THE BETTER ENTRANCE TO BE WOULD WE GO UP TO, UH, WITH A, HAVE A NICE WHITE ENTRANCE THERE.
WHEN YOU GO TO THE SHOPPING CENTER, THERE'S ALSO LIGHTS THERE.
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AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT SIGN IS THERE'S SPACE ON THAT BIG SIGN AND WE HOPE TO PUT IN THE MIDDLE DIVIDE FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT WILL SAY HIDDEN HEIGHTS CAMPGROUND WITH AN ARROW THAT CAN GET DOWN TO IT.YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE NOW HAVE GPS, SO THEY FIND THINGS, THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK AT SIGNS ANYMORE.
WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COST VERSUS WHAT WE THINK OR WHAT SIGNS WILL BE ON THE HIGHWAY.
AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD TO IDENTIFY SPECIFICS ON THAT.
WE DO WANT TO HAVE, MAKE SURE THERE'S A, A BIG SIGN HERE.
WE'LL TELL YOU THAT'S WHERE THE CAMPGROUND'S COMING IN.
UH, THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS IS BASICALLY THIS AREA HERE THAT'S IN THE DARK GREEN.
THE LIGHTER GREEN AREAS AROUND WILL BE THE SECOND OR THIRD PHASES.
ALL THIS WILL BE DONE IN THE FIRST PHASE.
THERE'S GONNA BE PAVILION WITH SHOWER HOUSES.
UH, AGAIN, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS COLLECT AS MUCH INFORMATION FROM OTHER CAMPGROUNDS AS I CAN TO TELL US WHAT PEOPLE EXPECT.
AND EVEN THOUGH EVERYBODY HAS A SHOWER AND BATHROOM IN THEIR OWN CAMPER, THEY STILL WANT SHOWER, NOT SO THEY CAN GO BECAUSE IT'S QUITE RAMP, I GUESS, IN SPACE.
AND SO THEN WE'LL ALSO HAVE A GENERAL STORE LAUNDRY FACILITY THAT BE HERE, WHERE PEOPLE CAN CHECK IN, UH, IN A POOL AREA WITH A, UH, BAR KIND OF FACILITY AT THE END OF IT WHERE PEOPLE COULD BUY FROZEN FEEDS.
WE DON'T INTEND TO HAVE ANY KITCHEN FACILITIES, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE COULD GET SOMETHING FROM WHILE THE POOL, THAT KIND OF A THING.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE ALL THE OTHER PLAYGROUND DOG WALK, UH, PICKLE BALL COURTS, BASKETBALL, DIFFERENT GAMES AND ACTIVITIES THAT WILL ALL BE IN THE CENTER HUB AREA.
AND THAT WILL BE BUILT AS PART OF THE PHASE ONE IN THE PROJECT.
UM, PROJECT UP HERE, WE BUILT A STORAGE BUILDING, WHICH IS GONNA BE USED AS A MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE ELECTRIC GOLF CARTS TO BE ABLE TO USE ON THE GOLF.
SO WE'LL HAVE A CHARGING BARN THERE AT TO STORE GOLF CARTS.
UM, WE'VE TALKED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, AND WHAT WE, THINGS YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND, I GUESS, ABOUT THE ROADS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE PULLING 40 FOOT CAMPERS WITH CARS BEHIND THEM.
UH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD THE ROADS SO THAT THE FIRE TRUCKS CAN GET AROUND.
WE, OTHERWISE OUR CAMPERS WON'T BE ABLE TO GET AROUND.
SO WE'VE DESIGNED THE RADIUSES AND I THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN REVIEW THAT.
WE'D ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROADS ARE, UM, CAPABLE OF HOLDING UP 75,000 PATENT, WHICH IS A FIRE TRUCK.
SO ALL THAT WILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, AGAIN, THE REASON WE'VE KIND OF DONE WHAT WE'VE DONE AND WHERE IT IS, IS THE TOPOGRAPHY.
THERE'S A REALLY STEEP HILL IN THIS AREA HERE, WHICH ALMOST MAKES IT UNUSABLE.
UM, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT MAYBE PUTTING THESE LITTLE BOXES HERE TO PRINT THE CAMP SITES IN CASE WE HAVE PEOPLE WE WANT TENT CAN.
BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE MAIN FOCUS OF THIS, UH, CAMPGROUND.
UM, OUR INTENTION IS TO APPEAL TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE RVS AND FIFTH WHEEL CAMPERS.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT, UH, WHAT I WOULD CALL REASONABLY UPSCALE.
YOU WANT TO HAVE THE IDEA THAT IT'S BE SO AREA WE WILL NOT ALLOW, UH, CAMPERS THAT ARE DETERIORATED TO COME INTO THE, YOU'LL HAVE TO, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE I CAN THINK OF.
THESE ARE THE CABINS WE'RE GONNA BUILD FIRST.
THESE RIGHT ALONG THROUGH HERE.
UM, WE DO WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE CABINS.
UH, DOWN WILDCAT, THIS IS REALLY A PROBLEM FOR US.
THE TWO BIGGEST ISSUES THAT I SEE ABOUT BUILDING THIS CAMPGROUND ARE SECURITY AND SAFETY.
WE'RE NOT 20 MILES INTO THE COUNTRY AND HAVE A POPULATION OF 2000 PEOPLE AROUND US.
YOU KNOW, WE GOT 50,000 PEOPLE HERE.
WE'VE GOT HUGE PERIMETER TO PROTECT.
UM, AND THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE BAD ACCURACY.
YOU JUST HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SO OUR INTENTION IS TO FENCE AND COMPLETELY SURROUND THIS PROPERTY.
WITH SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS, WE TEND TO HAVE A 24 7 FULL-TIME SECURITY GUARD MOVING ON THE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE THAT TOO IS MY BIGGEST CONCERNS.
UH, WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE ACTIVITY HERE.
YOU'VE GOT THIS ROAD BLOCKED OFF HERE.
NOW TO GET DOWN INTO THE, THE YARD WASTE AREA, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO LOCK THIS HERE WITH A, A GATE THAT HAS A NUMBER OF CODE ON IT THAT NOBODY
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NEEDS TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT NUMBER CODE.AND WE'LL MAKE IT SO THAT THE CITY HAS IT, OR KNOCK BOX OR WHATEVER THE FIRE ONCE SO WE CAN HAVE ACCESS.
AND SO WE CAN PULL IN AND GET EASILY ACCESS TO THESE, WHICH MEANS THE ONLY PEOPLE COME THROUGH THAT GATE TO ACCESS THIS CAMPGROUND WOULD BE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THESE CABINETS.
EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD COME THROUGH THE OTHER EXITS.
BUT THAT ONE I THINK FACILITATE THIS FACILITY.
UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE'D LIKE TO PUT A, A DRY PUMP STATION OUT HERE WHERE THEY CAN USE TO PUMP WATER.
'CAUSE IT REALLY IS A PROBLEM UP WITH A, UH, THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE PROPERTY LINES AND AT THE HEIGHT TO GET WATER WITH FIRE BACK IN THIS AREA.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE MET WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THE OTHER DAY AND THEY WERE REALLY, I MEAN THEY WERE REALLY GENUINELY, UH, WOBBLY.
THEY WERE LIKE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP YOU? WE WANNA MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
WHAT CAN WE DO? UM, WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, AND, UH, I DIDN'T REALIZE, UM, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO A CAMPGROUNDS, YOU'LL NEVER SEE FIVE IN CAMPSITES.
RECENTLY THEY'VE PASSED LAWS IN THE STATE OF OHIO IS YOU'VE GOT A CAMPGROUND, THIS PATENT, WHICH WE'RE, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE FIVE I GUESS.
SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WHATEVER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS.
I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE.
WE'RE HOPING, UH, WITH WORKING WITH THEM AND THE CITY ENGINEER, WE CAN DO THIS TO MAKE IT SO IT'S NOT PROHIBITIVELY COST WISE.
WE'VE GOTTA FACE WHAT, WHAT KIND OF EXTRA COSTS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE INVOLVED WITH, UH, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
UM, THERE WERE OTHER REASONS WE DIDN'T DEVELOP THIS THING.
AND THE OTHER FIELD IS THAT THERE ARE SOME LARGE CREEKS HERE.
ONE OF 'EM COMES DOWN THROUGH HERE, ONE OF 'EM COMES DOWN THROUGH HERE.
UH, I BELIEVE THE EPA IS GONNA MAKE US LAY THOSE CREEK BANKS BACK IN LINE WITH ROCK RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S EROSION CONTROL PROBLEM BEATING OUT THE SIDES OF THE BANKS.
AND I DIDN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT.
UH, GET MY CAMPGROUND OPEN AND YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHY I LEFT THIS AREA.
I MEAN IT'S REALLY WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD PLACE TO PUT CAMP SITES.
UM, BUT EVEN TO GET BACK ACROSS THIS ROAD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD A BRIDGE, CALL THE BRIDGE HERE TO GET ACROSS.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PARK PATH THAT'LL GO DOWN HERE.
YOU CAN GET UP ON WILDCAT ROAD FROM HERE AND GO BACK UP.
WILDCAT, UH, THERE'S A HUGE BRIDGE CULVERT THING THAT CROSSES UNDERNEATH THE ROAD THAT TAKES THE WATER OUT TO THE MINE RIVER, UH, FROM THE PROPERTY.
UM, THAT'S NOTHING CAN THINK OF.
UM, IN TERMS OF YOUR PROPOSED TIMING OF PHASES, AND WE LOOK AT THIS, BUT DO YOU JUST HAVE A FRAMEWORK FOR WHERE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT TYING ON THE PHASES? WELL, HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH THE FIRST PHASE TO TRY TO OPEN THIS THING.
IF WE CAN GET APPROVALS, WHICH I'M HOPING TO THIS SPRING, WE'RE GONNA BUILD THIS THING.
I'M GONNA TRY TO OPEN MAY THE FIRST OF 2025.
I THE OTHER PHASES, I DON'T HAVE A TIMEFRAME.
AND HERE'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, NOBODY EL THAT I'VE TALKED TO ABOUT CAMPGROUNDS CAN GIVE ME A DEFINITIVE ANSWER.
SO WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CAMPGROUNDS COULD GO IN HERE? YOU KNOW, I MAY BUILD 160 SITES AND SAY, MAN, THAT'S ENOUGH.
I, I MEAN WE CAN'T, I'D LIKE TO EVENTUALLY HAVE 250 SITES.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S PLANNED AROUND 40 CABINS, MAYBE 200, UH, CAMPSITES, AND THEN MAYBE 10 PRIMITIVES.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THE SITE CAN HANDLE THAT.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION NOW AND PROBABLY WON'T UNTIL AFTER I RUN THIS THING A YEAR OR TWO.
IT CAN SEE EFFECTIVELY WHETHER WE'VE GOT ENOUGH RECREATIONAL THINGS AND THE THINGS TO, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
IN TERMS OF DOGS AND ANIMALS, DOGS ONLY ALLOWED ANY OTHER ANIMALS ALLOWED.
I ASSUME YOU HAVE A LEASH REQUIREMENT.
UH, STATISTICS AND WILL TELL YOU THAT 75% OF PEOPLE I CAMP ARE PET OWNERS.
IT'S HARD TO DENY ANYBODY THAT'S PETS.
AGAIN, THOUGH, WE'RE GONNA GO ON A LOT OF, WHAT IF SOME OF THE OTHER CAMPSITES GO LIKE JELLYSTONE OR KOA? YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN THE BREED OF THE DOG AND WHAT'S GOING ON TO MAKE THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN ALLOW, NOT SAY THAT YOU CAN HAVE CATS.
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I WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO WHAT'S REASONABLE PROPER AND, AND WORK WITH ONE LITTLE CODES OF THE LAW.UM, YOU HAVE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERVICE ANIMALS HAVE TO HAVE THEIR ANIMALS.
SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO CROSS THOSE AS WE COME TO THEM.
I'M REALLY HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT THE 24 7 SECURITY ON SITE.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT AND THE SURVEILLANCE SORT OF PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE.
SO HAVE YOU WITH THAT? UM, I'LL JUST REITERATE WHAT I TOLD TO AARON IS I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PROPOSED 14 AND A HALF MILE BIKE ROUTE THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE INCORPORATED AS PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE CITY.
IT'S GONNA BECOME, YOU KNOW, REALLY CLOSE TO YOUR CAMPGROUND.
AND SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WHEN THAT GETS BILLED IS BEING ABLE TO TIE INTO THAT, UH, AND ALLOW PEOPLE ACCESS, YOU KNOW, WITH BIKES ON THAT TRAIL WOULD BE GREAT.
SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE NEED TO, TO ON LOOK AT.
ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT THE OPERATION, SO THAT, 'CAUSE I THINK THE QUESTION CAME UP.
UH, OUR INTENTION IS TO WHAT OPERATE THIS CAMPGROUND EIGHT MONTHS MARCH THE 1ST OF OCTOBER 31ST.
WE'RE GONNA CLOSE DOWN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A YEAR-ROUND CAMPGROUND.
THE ONLY CAVEAT THAT THAT WOULD BE, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW YET, IS IF THERE IS A HUGE DEMAND FOR THE CABINS, WE MAY LEAVE THE CABINS OPEN IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.
BUT ALL THE OTHER AMENITIES, THE, THE STORES, THE POOL, EVERYTHING ELSE CLOSES, THE ENTRANCE WILL CLOSE.
IT WOULD ONLY BE MAYBE THOSE CABINS.
IF, IF AGAIN YOU THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS, UH, THE MAN WAS THERE.
BUT CAMPGROUNDS AND CABINS SUBJECT TO HOSPITALITY LIMITATIONS ON THE LENGTH OF STAY.
AARON, DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS SOMEBODY JUST STAYING IN THE CABIN FOR SIX MONTHS RIGHT.
OH NO, WE WON'T RENT THE CABIN PROBABLY FOR MORE THAN A MONTH.
WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR THE WEEKEND OR THREE OR FOUR DAY RENTAL TYPE THINGS.
YEAH, IT WOULD BE NO MORE THAN A MONTH FOR A RENTAL CABIN.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
MS. BARGO, UM, I SEE HERE HIDDEN HEIGHTS CAMPGROUND.
IS THAT GOING TO BE THE NAME OF IT? YES MA'AM.
UM, WHEN YOU WERE UP THERE UP WHERE YOU HAVE THE LITTLE CIRCLES OF THE SQUARES, DID I HEAR YOU SAY THOSE? THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TENTS.
YOU DON'T NEED TO GO UP THERE.
THOSE LITTLE YELLOW PINK OR LITTLE YELLOW, YELLOW PLACE UP THERE.
THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY OF HAVING SOME PRIMITIVE CAMPSITES WHERE WE, UH, AND AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T GONE THAT FAR YET.
WHETHER WE WANT TO ACTUALLY PUT A 10 OR WITH PLATFORM AND RENT IT TO SOMEBODY OR WHETHER THEY'LL LET SOMEBODY COME IN AND PUT THEIR ANTENNA UP.
NOW IN ORDER TO DO THAT, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A BATH HOUSE THERE.
UH, BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE OTHER NO ELECTRICAL WATER OR SEWING THINGS.
THEY'VE A BATH HOUSE THAT WOULD BE LOCATED THERE.
AND THEN WHEN YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, CABINS, YOU SAID THEY WERE GONNA BE 500 SQUARE FEET WITH BUNK BEDS.
WILL THEY HAVE A KITCHEN? YEAH, I MIGHT AS WELL PASS THESE OUT.
I MEANT SOME THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU, UH, MADE A LITTLE SKETCH SO YOU CAN SEE ABOUT WHAT THE CABINS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHAT PAVILION'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE, UH, SWING POOL AREA'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
SO YOU HAVE ONE, ONE COPY OF THIS ONE.
AND IT DOESN'T SAY IF THE CABINS ARE GONNA HAVE KITCHENS, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY DO HAVE KITCHENS.
THEY DO HAVE KITCHENS? YES MA'AM.
WE HAVE LIKE A GRILLING AREA OUTSIDE.
DO THEY HAVE A GRILLING AREA OUTSIDE BRIDGE EACH CABIN? YES.
THEY'LL HAVE A PORCH THAT'S LIKE BED, EIGHT FOOT BY 12 FOOT.
THAT WOULD BE OUR INTENTION IS TO HAVE 'EM BUILT ON THE EDGE SO THAT THEY KIND OF HANG THEM THE LAKE.
SO THAT THEY'LL BE LOOKING DOWN ON THAT LAKE.
AND WILL YOU SIT BY THE GRILLS OR DO THEY HAVE TO BRING WITH THEIR OWN? WE ALL GOOD BUSINESS GUY, SO WE PROBABLY UNTIL
WE HAVE, WE HAVE A WHOLE STORE UP THERE.
YOU SAID YOU WOULD HAVE GOLF CARTS.
ARE THOSE GOING TO BE FOR RENT? YES MA'AM.
UM, SO BACK TO THE GOLF CARTS.
ARE THEY ALLOWED, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BRING THEIR OWN? NO, THERE WILL BE ANY ALLOW FOR ANY ELECTRIFIED VEHICLE OTHER THAN OUR GOLF CARTS.
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WANT THEM TO HAVE TURN SIGNALS, LIGHTS, REFLECTORS ON 'EM AND WE'LL HAVE GOVERNORS ON 'EM.THEY WON'T GO MORE THAN LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT MILES AN HOUR.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 34, 30, 40 MILE OUR GOLF CARTS RACING AROUND.
AND IT'S JUST FOR A SAFETY STANDPOINT.
UH, AS MUCH AS PEOPLE LIKE TO USE THE ELECTRIC BIKES OR OTHER THINGS, NO, WE'RE JUST THE ONLY THING WE CAN'T NOT ALLOW IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT OBVIOUSLY IS HANDICAPPED AND WANTS TO RIDE IN THE SCOOTER.
UM, UH, THE OTHER QUESTION ALONG THAT LINES, UH, THAT I REMEMBERED.
OUR INTENTION IS TO LIGHT THE PARKING LOTS AND THE MAIN AREAS THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE IN.
BUT ALL THE PATH, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE HERE.
IT'S REALLY COOL IF YOU GET OUT THERE ON THE SITE BECAUSE IT KIND OF SITS DOWN FROM THE REST OF THE AREA.
YOU'RE KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF IN A VALLEY AND YOU'VE GOT THE, THE WOODS AND THE THINGS AROUND YOU.
AND IT ALSO HELPS BLOCK OUT THE NOISE FROM THE INTERSTATE.
PEOPLE WANNA FEEL LIKE THEY'RE IN THE COUNTRY AND I DON'T WANT STREET LIGHTS THAT ALL LIT UP LIKE YOU'RE IN THE PARKING LOT OF WALMART.
SO OUR INTENTION, THEY MAKE THOSE LITTLE, UH, UH, THEY'RE LIKE PEDESTAL LIGHTS AND WE HAVE THOSE ALONG FOR SAFETY SAKE AND WE'LL PROBABLY LINE, UM, THE UH, UH, GOLF CARTS AND ALSO THE WALKING PASS FOR THOSE SO THAT PEOPLE WILL BE SAFE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS, IS LIKE, SO IT'S JUST NOT TOTALLY PITCH BLACK? NO.
THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE WALKING AND, AND THERE'LL BE AN OUTSIDE LIGHT ON EACH CABIN.
WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE RESTRICTED, UH, IN OUR THINGS THAT THEY'LL HAVE A NOISE OPEN AND IT GETS PAST LIKE 10 30.
WE HAVE A STAGE FOR LIKE WIDE BAND PERFORMANCES LIKE ENTERTAINMENT THERE.
WILL YOU DO ANYTHING OF THAT SORT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UH, THIS AREA DOWN HERE, WHICH IS REALLY A COOL AREA, UM, IS A KIND OF A GRASSY AREA HERE.
AND UH, WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT EVENTUALLY, NOTHING IN THE FIRST PHASE COULD PUT A STAGE HERE AND HAVE CONCERT.
SOMEBODY SUGGESTED TO ME WITH THE ROSES THAT'S HERE, ALMOST ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT COME AND PERFORM TRAVEL IN RV'S.
AND IF YOU OFFERED IT HAD BEEN TAKE OUR PLACE RV JAM WE MAY MAKE A DEAL WITH TO HAVE SOME MINI CONCERT THINGS WITH HERE.
UM, WE ALSO, AND HADN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, BUT I, I HAVE THIS 10 80 SHARE THAT I BOUGHT, UH, ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS IN THE FIVE RIVERS PARK SERVICE DISTRICT, WHICH TO ME IS THE PERFECT PIT FOR THE CAMPGROUND.
UH, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS WE COULD DO THERE.
PUT A GRAVEL PARKING LOT SO WE WOULD'VE MORE ROOM TO GET DOWN HERE, A MORE EXTENSIVE, UH, DOG PARK RATHER THAN A DOG WALK.
THERE'S ALSO, THIS GOES UP REALLY HIGH, YOU KNOW, UM, ONE OF THE, OH, I DON'T KNOW, THINGS I THINK IT WOULD BE COOL TO DO, WHICH I DON'T DUNNO IF I WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IS HAVE A HOT AIR BALLOON, HEAD IT OVER HERE, TAKE IT UP ABOUT 200 FEET.
YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE DAYTON FROM THERE.
BRING IT BACK DOWN AND MAYBE SOMEDAY THIS, THIS ACTUALLY GOES UP, GETS HIGHER OVER HERE AND THIS PROPERTY HERE COMES UP AND GETS HIGHER, BUT YOU ALSO GET MORE NOISE.
YOU START THE, THE NOISE FROM THE INTERSTATE WHEN GET OUT THAT VALVE.
UH, WELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PROPERTY DOWN THERE.
I'M LOOKING ON THE MAP THAT WE HAVE AND IT THE BEST IT SAYS RIGHT WAY.
OHIO IS THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY.
HAD YOU BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH 'EM? ARE THEY WILLING TO THIS YES, I OWN THAT PROPERTY.
THIS 10 ACRES HERE THAT WAS WASN'T BELONGED TO A LADY.
UM, THAT, UH, ACTUALLY SCHOOL NOW I'M ON BOARD WITH YOU.
YEAH, WE OWN THAT AND WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH THE CITY.
HOPEFULLY, UH, THIS ISN'T A VERY GOOD LOCATION.
THEY'VE TOLD ME FOR THEIR DRIVEWAY AREA BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR EQUIPMENT PEOPLE TO GET AND WHERE IT IS AND IT WOULD MATCH PERFECTLY FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOT ANY PLANS FOR THIS YET BECAUSE IT'S TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD.
I'VE GOT ENOUGH GOING ON JUST TO TRY AND GET THIS THING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON BOARD? SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, WILL YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE ANY OPEN FIRE PITS FOR YOUR CAMPERS? OUR INTENTION IS, IS TO HAVE A FIRE PIT AND A PICNIC TABLE AT EVERY CAMPER SITE.
BUT IT'LL BE SOMETHING, BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO CONTAIN MM-HMM.
AND WHAT KIND OF STAFFING ARE YOU LOOKING AT FOR YOUR OPERATIONAL TIME FROM MARCH TO NOVEMBER? UM, AND WILL ANY OF THAT HAVE LIKE A MAINTENANCE? OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL NEED, YOU KNOW, REPAIRS OR IF YOU HAVE A LAUNDRY OR, UM, YOUR SHOWER BA YOUR SHOWER BASE AND SO FORTH, OR IS THAT
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WELL, UH, I'M THINKING WE'RE SOME, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 15 TO 20 PEOPLE THAT'LL BE WORKING IN THIS CAMPGROUND FULL TIME.I CAN ANSWER THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'LL WORK OUT.
UH, BUT IF YOU HAVE KIND OF A, A VISION IN MIND OF LIKE, YOU START WITH LIKE THREE EMPLOYEES IF YOU'RE GONNA START, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY A FULL-TIME SECURITY GUARD, WHICH IS GREAT.
I THINK THAT THAT IS PROBABLY WELL, WELL NEEDED AND, AND, UM, FOR SURE.
BUT I, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GAUGE OF WHAT, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BETTER ANSWER.
HE'S GONNA BE THE GENERAL MANAGER GONNA MANAGE THE CAMPGROUND.
UH, HE TEACHES SCHOOL, HE'S OFF THOSE MONTHS AND THEN HE IS OFF AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON THE OTHER DAY.
SO HE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY TO BE HIS ASSISTANT, BUT HE'S GONNA MANAGE IT.
HE, WELL, HE'S REALLY A BENEFIT OF IS HE KNOWS RETIRED TEACHERS AND HE KNOWS KIDS THAT ARE 16, 17 YEARS OLD THAT WANT JOBS FOR THE SUMMER.
SO I THINK WE CAN FIND THOSE FOLKS THAT'LL BE WELL SUITED FOR THIS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, I CAN GIVE YOU A NUMBER RIGHT NOW, SPECIFICALLY, UH, AS WE NEED PEOPLE, WE'LL HIRE, WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A STAFF, PROBABLY STARTING OUT MAYBE 15 PEOPLE.
AND THEN YOU KIND OF GO FROM THERE AND FIGURE OUT, WE NEED THIS MANY, WE NEED MORE, WE NEED LESS.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, WE'RE WE'RE, IT'S GONNA BE A LEARNING PROCESS AS WE GO, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, I DO KNOW FROM MY STANDPOINT, THERE'S A LOT OF TEACHERS THAT ARE OFF IN THE SUMMER THAT DO SUMMER JOBS.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TEACHERS WORKING AT CAMP.
I KNOW THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE GOOD WITH KIDS.
THEY'RE GONNA BE GOOD WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
YOU GOT TEACHERS IN HUB HEIGHTS THAT ARE GONNA BE OFF IN THE SUMMER.
YOU GOT RETIRED TEACHERS THAT LOOK FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR INCOME WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
THOSE ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE I'M LOOKING OUT.
NO, I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A BENEFIT TO HUB, UM, BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, US AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER ARE MAKING RIGHT CHOICES MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S A HUGE SUCCESS AND NOT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER TRAFFIC ISSUE OR
SO I DO APOLOGIZE FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS.
IT HELPS US MAKE OUR, OUR DECISION.
SO, MIKE, WILL THIS BE YOUR FIRST CAMPGROUND? YES, MA'AM.
UH, MY BACKGROUND IS IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS, UHHUH.
UM, I WORKED, UH, I WAS PRESIDENT, CEO OF STAFF FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH.
I BUILT, UH, WELL, MY SON JUST FINISHED BUILDING THEIR NEW LIBRARY THERE IN, UH, MARION PARK.
SO I'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN CONSTRUCTION AND THOSE DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE KIND OF GOOD THINGS.
UH, THIS KIND OF JUST, UH, FELL INTO MY LAP I GUESS, AND KIND OF MORPHED INTO DOING THIS.
UM, WHAT I LOOKED AT, UM, YOU ACTUALLY NEED A CAMPGROUND IN THIS AREA.
I MEAN, YOU GOTTA GO OUT TO KOA UP IN BELLBROOK, YOU GOTTA GO UP TO INDIAN LAKE, UH UH, AND, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A REAL POSITIVE FOR HUMAN RIGHTS.
UH, YOU'RE GONNA GET A GREEN SPACE AMENITY, UH, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BUSINESS AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO RUN IT AS A BUSINESS TO DO IT RIGHT AND MAKE MONEY ON IT.
I, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE TALK, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S SOME KIND OF RUNDOWN IN PLACE.
I WAS TOLD THAT IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE A MILLION AND A HALF CAMPS BEEN SHORT SINCE COVID, UH, THE SALES OF CAMPERS AND PEOPLE GOING CAMPING HAS INCREASED BY 400%.
UH, PEOPLE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A HESITANCY ABOUT BEING IN HOTELS ANYMORE.
THEY LIKE BEING IN THEIR OWN SPACE.
UH, I THINK PEOPLE ARE A LITTLE HESITANT TO GO ON CRUISES AND FLY OVER THEIR SEAS WITH ALL THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK AMERICA'S A PLACE TO BE AND I THINK THIS WILL BE A SUPER BENEFIT FOR THE AREA.
UM, I LOOK TO HAVING A LOT OF, UH, CLOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH, UH, THE FOLKS IN THE AREA.
I GRADUATED FROM WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL.
I MEAN, I, MY DAD BUILT A HOUSE OVER TO SHAW ROAD.
UM, UH, AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT A WONDERFUL FACILITY DOWN AT THE ROSE AND NOT NEARLY ENOUGH FOR PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO STAY.
THEY WANT TO COME AND, UH, AND BE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, ALL KINDS OF, UH, FESTIVALS AND THINGS THAT, THAT PEOPLE COME TO THAT, THAT THEY'D LIKE TO CAMP.
WE'RE ALSO AT THE CROSSROADS OF AMERICA, EVEN BEEN NORTH AND SOUTH IN 75.
I'VE BEEN TOLD BY PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE MAYBE AS MANY AS 50 PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA COME OUT OF HUBER HEIGHTS THAT LIVE THREE OR FOUR MILES AWAY THAT ARE, WANT TO CAMP THEIR CAMPER THERE EIGHT MONTHS AND TREAT THIS LIKE A COUNTRY CLUB.
BUT THAT TO ME, THE OTHER THING TOO IS, I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW ME, BUT I WAS GOING ACTIVE IN CLARK COUNTY.
THAT'S WHERE I LIVE FOR, MATTER OF FACT, I'M
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GETTING AN AWARD TOMORROW.BUT ANYWAY, UM, I, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO, TO DO SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY.
SO IF WE CAN WORK WITH CHURCH GROUPS TO HAVE CONFERENCES, IF WE CAN WORK WITH THE BOY SCOUTS AND GIRL SCOUTS TO COME SAY, COME OUT AND, YOU KNOW, CAMP ON OUR CAMPGROUND.
IF, UH, UH, WE CAN HONOR A, A POLICEMAN OF THE YEAR BY GIVING HIM A CAMPING FOR A MONTH OR A WEEK OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'LL ALL FOR THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IN LIFE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
I AM THE MARKET MANAGER HERE FOR CAMPING WORLD.
UH, I HAVE, UM, THE STORE HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS AS WELL AS PIQUA.
SO I HAVE THE DAYTON MARKET ALONG WITH OTHER STORES HERE IN OHIO.
SO, UH, WE COULDN'T THINK OF A BETTER NEIGHBOR,
UH, WE'RE EXTREMELY EXCITED TO SEE THIS CAMPGROUND COME AND SUPPORT OUR BUSINESS.
WE HAVE, UH, ACTIVELY OVER 200 LOCATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES.
SO OUR CUSTOMERS TRAVEL AND TO HAVE A CAMPGROUND BEHIND US WHEN THEY NEED SERVICE OR BE ABLE TO HELP THEM IN, IN TIME OF NEED, UH, WHILE THEY'RE TRAVELING, IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO US.
SO WE SEE THIS AS A GREAT BENEFIT TO OUR BUSINESS.
WE ALSO HAVE THE, THE BRANCH OF GOOD SAM, WHICH ACTIVELY HAS OVER 2 MILLION MEMBERS.
SO WE KNOW THAT, UH, WE COULD HAVE GOOD SAM RILEY'S POTENTIALLY PARTNER WITH THESE GUYS AND, UH, BRING, YOU KNOW, A GOOD AMOUNT OF THAT MEMBERSHIP TO HUBER HEIGHTS, TO THAT CAMPGROUND.
AND WE'RE EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
I THINK THAT, UH, IT'S JUST A WIN-WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S ALSO A WIN FOR OUR BUSINESS.
AND I KNOW IT'S NOT ONE BUSINESS TO SUPPORT ANOTHER, BUT IT'S ALSO REALLY NICE WHEN YOU'VE GOT SUPPORTING BUSINESSES.
YOU KNOW, A RESTAURANT WITHOUT A MOTEL OR A ROSE WITHOUT A MOTEL IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, RIGHT? AND THE SAME THING YOU GO TO, YOU TALK ABOUT THE ROWS AND THE ABILITY, PEOPLE LIKE TO TAILGATE EVENTS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY USE A LOT OF RVS FOR.
WHETHER IT'S A BUCKEYE'S GAME OR AN EVENT AT THE ROW, THERE'S NO BETTER PLACE FOR THEM TO PRE-PLAN AND TAILGATE THAN RIGHT THERE AT HIS CAMPGROUND.
AND SO YOU'LL FIND THAT, UH, IT'S GONNA BRING, I BELIEVE A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BRING A LOT OF, UH, REALLY GOOD TRAFFIC.
WE'RE ALSO EXTREMELY PLEASED TO HAVE FROM THE SECURITY ELEMENT, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE AT THIS LOCATION WITH, WITH PROBLEMS, WITH BREAK-INS.
WE FEEL THAT HAVING A NEIGHBOR BEHIND US WHERE WE HAVE CAMPERS THAT ARE OCCUPIED, UNLIKE OURS, THAT ARE UNOCCUPIED TONIGHT, WILL BE VERY HELPFUL IN FENDING OFF, UH, POTENTIAL THREATS TO OUR VEHICLES.
IT'S BEEN EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO INSTALL AN ELECTRIC FENCE TO BORDER OUR ALREADY FENCE, UH, TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT, TO FEND PEOPLE OUT.
UM, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF BREAK-INS, INCLUDING BREAK-INS THAT, UH, LOST OF, OF EVERY PALLET CONVERTER OFF OF EVERY MOTOR HOME.
AND FOR US, THAT'S AT ABOUT A $4,000 COST PER COACH.
SO IF THEY HIT 2030 OF 'EM, IT'S AN EXPENSIVE DAY.
SO WE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
UH, WHEN HE SAID SECURITY GUARD, I MADE A NOTE TO LET OUR CORPORATE OFFICE KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
IT'S HARD FOR US TO DO THAT, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
BUT AS A, AS THE LARGEST PUBLICLY TRADED RV COMPANY, WE'RE A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY.
I CAN TELL YOU WE VERY MUCH WELCOME, UH, THIS CAMPGROUND TO THIS COMMUNITY.
WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE THIS TAKE PLACE AND, UH, HOPE TO, HOPE FOR GREAT, UH, THINGS FOR BOTH OF US TO COME IN THE FUTURE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK WITH THIS ZONING CASE? OKAY, I'M NOT HEARING ANYONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? RIGHT WAY, OHIO, LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 81 21 ROY PIKE CASE, A SORRY, CASE SU 24 0 1.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JANUARY 5TH, 2024, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION, THE AMENDED PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RENDER ATTACHED.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
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MR. CASSIDY? YES.WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, THE NEXT STEPS ARE, UM, WHEN THE APPLICANT IS READY TO APPLY TO THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, WE WILL COORDINATE OUR, UM, SUPPORT LETTERS OR CONFORMANCE LETTERS BETWEEN FIRE DEPARTMENT PLANNING AND ENGINEERING.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
I LIKE START OFF NOMINATIONS FOR, UH, THE CHAIR.
MS. VARGA, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. WALTON AND MR. WALTON THAT ACCEPTS THAT NOMINATION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR THE CHAIR POSITION? YEAH, I SECOND.
SO NOW WE HAVE A NOMINATION MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR THE NOMINATION? I'LL MAKE MOTION.
AND I, I THANK ALL MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR WELL, WE THANK YOU.
PUSHING MOTION ME IN ANOTHER YEAR.
UH, NEXT IS, UH, VICE, VICE CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MS. UH, JAN EMBARGO FOR VICE CHAIR.
IS THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? I MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE JAN.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA'S APPROVE APPROVAL POWER.
UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL.
THE MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER 12TH, 2023 PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE APPROVED.
HEARING NO OBJECTIONS, THEY ARE APPROVED.
THE REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW MR. SOLL? YES.
UM, SO FOR THE FEBRUARY MEETING, UH, I ANTICIPATE TWO RECORD PLANS, UH, COMING THROUGH AS WELL AS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE RHM UM, PROPERTY, THE 300 HOUSING UNITS, UH, ON EXECUTIVE.
UM, THEY'VE SENT THEIR UTILITY PLANS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR INITIAL REVIEW.
UM, SO I ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL GET A FORMAL APPLICATION HERE IN THE NEXT, UH, FEW DAYS.
AND WHO WERE THE FIRST TWO? JUST TWO, UH, TWO, UH, RECORD PLANS.
UM, ONE IS TO DEDICATE RIGHT AWAY FOR THE NEW, UM, UH, ROADWAY TO IN MARION MEADOWS.
UH, AND AS WELL AS WHAT NEEDS TO BE FOR THE, THEIR APARTMENTS.
UH, AND THEN THE SECOND RECORD PLAN, IF THEY GET IT TO US IN TIME, IS TO, UM, KIND OF CLEAN UP, UH, LOTS THAT WERE DEVELOPED THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON COCOA DRIVE, THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, CONDOS, BUT THE CONDO ASSOCIATION WAS KNOW WERE PROPERLY FORMED.
UH, AND SO PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO SELL THEIR HOMES.
THEY NOW WANT TO SUBDIVIDE THAT INTO BASICALLY TWO DOUBLES.
UM, INSTEAD OR AN ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY, UH, INSTEAD OF A CONDO ASSOCIATION.
SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH, IT'S KIND OF BEEN A TRYING ISSUE, BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT.
WHOEVER'S DOWN THERE OFF OF, UH, TROY PIPE DOWN.
I CAN TELL YOU IT'S A MESS WHEN YOU TRY TO SELL ON THOSE.
WE ARE ALL ON BOARD WITH THAT WE BELIEVE RIGHT THERE.
ANY OTHER, UH, VERBIAGE THAT COME BEFORE THE COMPLAIN COMMISSION? WE ARE AJOUR.
EACH AND EVERY ONE GROUP ATTENDING HERE.