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GOOD EVENING[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
EVERYONE.WELCOME TO THE STATE OF HABER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
TODAY'S DATE IS NOVEMBER 21ST, 2023.
UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO TONY, IF YOU WOULD, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE MR. SHAW? HERE.
[2. Approval Of Minutes]
TWO.UH, ITEM TWO A, UH, MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER THE SECOND, 2023.
IT WAS A JOINT MEETING WITH THE HEBREW RIGHTS CITY SCHOOLS BOARD OF EDUCATION.
THOSE MINUTES HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS, LET US KNOW NOW.
SAYING NONE THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
AND THIS EVENING BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR, UH, WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
SO MR. ROGERS WILL READ THAT MOTION.
IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR DISCUSSIONS WITH AN ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY CONCERNING DISPUTES THAT ARE THE SUBJECT OF PENDING OR IMMINENT COURT ACTION, AND TO DISCUSS DETAILS OF SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS AND EMERGENCY EMERGENCY RESPONSE PROTOCOLS FOR A PUBLIC BODY OR PUBLIC OFFICE.
IF DISCLOSURE OF THE MATTERS DISCUSSED COULD REASONABLY BE EXPECTED TO JEOPARDIZE THE SECURITY OF THE PUBLIC BODY OR PUBLIC OFFICE.
SO, IS THERE A MOTION, ANITA? SO MOVED.
AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
SO IT IS NOW 6 0 2 AND WE'LL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, WE HAVE OUR THREE COUNCILMAN ROLEX HERE AS WELL.
IF YOU WOULD, UH, PLEASE JOIN US IN THE, IN THE BACK CONFERENCE ROOM.
IT IS NOW SEVEN 14 AND WE HAVE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE ARE NOW
[ City Manager Report]
MOVING ON TO, UH, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH ITEM THREE A, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT.
SO RICK, IF YOU WOULD, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, I WANTED TO FOCUS MY REPORT THIS WEEK ON SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS STAFF MADE, UM, WITHOUT TECHNOLOGY FOR THE LAST WEEK.
SO JUST GIVE COUNSEL AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES WE WERE ABLE TO COMPLETE OVER THE LAST WEEK, WEEK AND A HALF, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES WAS ABLE TO PROCESS TWO NEW HIRES, ONE POLICE OFFICER AND OUR NEW, UH, PARKS MANAGER.
UM, THEY ALSO COMPLETED SOME NEEDED FILE MANAGEMENT IN THE OFFICE, WHICH IS WHAT MOST DEPARTMENTS, UH, MANAGED TO DO LAST WEEK.
UM, JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, THE POLICE RECRUITMENT ENDED, UH, NOVEMBER 10TH.
UM, THEY'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THAT LIST TO IDENTIFY, UH, QUALIFIED CANDIDATES AND TO BEGIN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
AND THEN THE FIRE RECRUITMENT, UH, WILL END DECEMBER 1ST, WHICH IS NEXT, NEXT WEEK SOMETIME.
UM, SO FINANCE WAS ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER A, UH, PROCESS FOR PAPER-BASED, UH, MANUAL PAYROLL REPORTING, UH, SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE TECHNOLOGY THROUGHOUT THE, THE WHOLE WEEK.
UM, AND THEN THEY'RE DILIGENTLY WORKING THROUGH PAYROLL, UH, DURING THIS SHORT WEEK, NOW THAT WE DO HAVE A SOLUTION, UH, OF UTILIZING OUR PAYROLL SYSTEM.
SO, UH, THE TAX OFFICE DID A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, BACKLOG FILING, AND THEN ALSO ASSISTED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND CONSOLIDATING SOME PROPERTY FILES UP HERE AT CITY HALL.
UM, ZONING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT MOSTLY WERE ABLE TO OPERATE AS THEY NORMALLY WOULD, AS WELL AS FIRE AND POLICE.
UM, ENGINEERING WAS ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY BID.
UM, THAT BID WILL GO OUT DECEMBER 7TH, OPEN, OPEN DECEMBER 7TH.
UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, WE DID CLOSE ON THE DEAL FOR THE NEW SHEETS YESTERDAY.
UH, ALSO CONTINENTAL'S, PSA IS IN, UH, AND STARTED IT'S IN, AND THEY'VE STARTED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO, UM, AND THEN ONE 30 TODAY.
UM, I THINK YOU HAD THE MEETING FOR THE FINAL DESIGN OF THE GOVERNANCE CENTER.
UM, PUBLIC WORKS DID THEIR, UH, TYPICAL LEAF PICKUP, WINTERIZE THEIR PARTS AND EQUIPMENT.
UM, UTILITIES SAW CUSTOMERS AND TOOK PAYMENTS.
UH, OBVIOUSLY AS COUNCIL'S AWARE AGENDA QUICK, UH, IS A CLOUD-BASED, UH, INTERFACE.
SO, UM, COUNCIL ACTIVITIES AND RECORDS REQUESTS WE'RE ABLE TO PROCEED AS NORMAL.
AND OBVIOUSLY AS WE SEE TONIGHT, UH, LIVE STREAMING CAME BACK UP YESTERDAY.
UM, FIRE HOSTED THE MIAMI COUNTY FIRE CHIEF'S MEETING, WHICH IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE EVER DONE THAT.
AND THEN, UH, THE CITY WILL BE SELLING DOG TAGS BETWEEN DECEMBER 1ST AND JANUARY 31ST.
UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW ABOUT THE CYBER ATTACK IS, UM, AS WE ANNOUNCED FRIDAY, THERE WON'T BE REGULAR DAILY UPDATES, UM, BUT AS, UM, SIGNIFICANT EVENTS OCCUR, WE WILL PROVIDE PRESS RELEASES TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, ALSO, UM, I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
IT WILL BE A COUPLE, UH, TWO TO THREE WEEKS UNTIL FORENSICS GIVES US A FINAL DETERMINATION ON, UH, IF ANY RESIDENTS OR CUSTOMERS OF CITY WERE IMPACTED, UM, AND WHAT ACTIONS WE'LL TAKE FROM THERE.
AND THEN FINALLY, O UH, OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED THURSDAY AND FRIDAY FOR THE, UH, THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY.
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I DO HAVE A QUESTION.SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THE, UH, WE CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY FOR SHEETS.
I THINK IT WAS LIKE 1.45 MILLION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
HOW MANY, HOW MUCH LAND WAS THAT? HOW MANY? JUST OVER A, JUST OVER A AC.
SO, UH, MY QUESTION IS, SO I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE CITY PURCHASING LAND AND THINGS LIKE THAT LINE UP.
I MEAN, I, I GET WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM WHO MIGHT BE UPSET ABOUT THAT, BUT CAN YOU GIVE US THE NUMBER ON, IN TERMS OF IF WE JUST TALK ABOUT THE LAYMAN FARM, THE PURCHASE THAT, THAT WE MADE, UH, THAT FIRST PURCHASE AS PART OF THAT TRANSFORMATIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.
AND, AND THEN IN RETURN, KIND OF WHAT WE SPENT AND HOW MUCH OF THAT REVENUE WE'VE RECOUPED IN TERMS OF ACTUAL LAND SALE? SURE.
SO WE CAN GIVE EVERYBODY AN IDEA OF KIND OF WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, HOW MUCH LAND WE HAVE LEFT, UM, VERSUS HOW MUCH MONEY WE NEED OUT OF WHAT'S LEFT TO BE ABLE TO, TO BE WHOLE AND THEN GET INTO THE BLACK, CERTAINLY.
SO, UM, JIM'S GONNA WRITE REAL FAST HERE.
UM, WHILE I TALK PERCENTAGE, WE RECUPERATED APPROXIMATELY 98% INVESTMENT ON THE LAYMAN FARM BY SELLING APPROXIMATELY 50% OF THE ACREAGE.
SO, UM, WE ACQUIRED THE LAYMAN PROPERTY FOR $3.75 MILLION.
UH, WE SOLD, UH, 17 AND A HALF ACRES.
SO THERE WAS, UH, 52 ACRES IS WHAT WAS, UM, WHAT WAS PART OF THE INITIAL, UM, PURCHASE.
UM, WE SOLD 17.2 ACRES TO RHM TRIPLE J, UH, HOLDINGS.
UH, AND THAT WILL GENER THAT, UH, WAS FOR, UH, 2.088 MILLION IS WHAT WE SOLD THAT FOR.
AND THAT WILL CREATE 40 MILLION PLUS IN TAXABLE, UH, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
UH, AND THEN THERE IS THE 1.45 MILLION, UH, THAT, UH, WE RECEIVED FROM THE SHEETS CLOSING.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS, UH, ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF OR JUST UNDER AN ACRE AND A HALF.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE BASIS FOR THOSE NUMBERS.
SO THAT STILL LEAVES, UH, 20, I THINK IT'S 24 PLUS ACRES, SOMETHING JUST MAYBE SOUTH OF 25 MAYBE, UH, SORRY, EXCUSE ME.
UM, THAT'S, UH, AVAILABLE FOR SALE.
UM, AND, UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE BALANCE IS, UH, TO ABOUT 200,000 IS, IS WHAT, UH,
SO AS LONG AS WE CAN SELL 24 ACRES FOR 200 GRAND, THAT WAS A PRETTY GOOD, PRETTY GOOD INVESTMENT, UH, THAT WE WILL MAKE OUR MONEY BACK.
I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
UM, YEAH, RUSS, MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS, UM, ON THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH.
IS THAT GOING TO BE LEAD CERTIFIED? UM, I'D HAVE TO CHECK.
I BELIEVE SO, BUT I, I HOPE SO.
UM, YEAH, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY DISCUSSION, SO I THOUGHT I WOULD BRING IT UP.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOUR, UH, UH, PAYROLL WAS DONE WITH PEN AND INK.
UM, DO YOU ANTICIPATE ONCE THE SYSTEMS ARE BACK UP AND RUNNING, IS THERE GONNA BE A BACKLOG OF MANUAL ENTRY, A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO PUT ALL THIS STUFF BACK IN? YEAH, FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING, THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO, UH, AT LEAST IN THE PAYROLL SYSTEM, UH, REENTER EVERYTHING FROM NOVEMBER 7TH THROUGH THE 12TH.
UH, LITTLE WORSE ON TAX AND, UM, UTILITY SIDE, THEY'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO OCTOBER 26TH, UH, AND REENTER THROUGH THE 12TH.
SO THERE WILL BE A, A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE, UH, REENTERING DATA, BUT WE CAN STILL MOVE FORWARD WHILE WE GO BACK AND PROCESS THAT, THAT OTHER DATA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING RICK'S UPDATE? YES, ANITA, I HAD SOME RESIDENTS REACH OUT.
CAN YOU CLARIFY, CAN YOU PAY THE WATER BILL ONLINE NOW? YES, I APOLOGIZE.
YES, YOU CAN PAY YOUR WATER AND TAX BILLS ONLINE AS WELL AS ANY ZONING PERMIT FEES ONLINE AS WELL.
AND THEY'RE DOING REGULAR METER READINGS AND ALL THAT'S KIND OF JUST UP AND STILL GOING? YES.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY ARE, UM, THEY'RE STILL DOCUMENTING THAT I ACTUALLY WENT IN TODAY AND OPENED MY ACCOUNT.
SO THEY'RE STILL OPENING ACCOUNTS.
THEY JUST WILL HAVE TO WAIT TO ENTER THAT STUFF, SO.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFICATION 'CAUSE I HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE ASK.
SO I, I DON'T THINK I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN JIM, BUT THE SANTA CLAUS EFFECT, WE TALKED LOUD A LITTLE EARLIER.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW OR WHEN WE CAN BRING, BRING THAT UP? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, IF WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND WE KINDA KNOW WHAT'S COMING TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, WE NEED TO GET
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THAT INFORMATION OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.AND, UM, SO WE STILL DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO, UM, OUR TAX ACCOUNTS, UH, AS OF YET.
AND SO, UM, USUALLY AROUND THE LAST DAY OF EACH MONTH, WE PROCESS THE, THOSE WHO ARE ON PAYMENT PLANS.
AND SO, UH, WE MADE THE DECISION TODAY THAT WE'RE, UM, NOT GOING TO TAKE OUT, UH, IF YOU'RE ON A PAYMENT PLAN, UH, FOR PAYING INCOME TAXES ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR WHAT YOU OWE, FOR INSTANCE, UH, FROM A PREVIOUS YEAR, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE THAT PAYMENT OUT IN THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER.
THAT'LL RESUME AGAIN IN DECEMBER.
SO ARE WE JUST FOREGOING THAT OR WE'RE JUST NOT, WE, ARE WE EVER GOING TO, ARE WE GONNA DOUBLE THAT UP? OR ARE WE JUST NOT COLLECTING? UH, THAT WOULD BE THE CHOICE OF THE RESIDENCE.
UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA DOUBLE IT UP ON OUR OWN BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF OUR, UM, SITUATION THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, UH, WE, UH, CAN'T TAKE OUT A NORMAL REGULAR AMOUNT IF WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE ACCOUNTS BECAUSE WHAT THE NORMAL AMOUNT MIGHT BE, THIS MIGHT BE THEIR FINAL PAYMENT, THEIR FINAL MONTHLY PAYMENT.
AND SO IF IT'S LESS THAN WHAT THEIR NORMAL PAYMENT IS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ACCESS RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO, UM, UM, FOREGO THE, UH, MONTHLY PAYMENT.
SO WE'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE RESIDENTS IF THEY WANT TO CHOOSE THAT.
I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR, IF THE RESIDENT DOESN'T WANNA DOUBLE UP IN A PARTICULAR MONTH, IT'LL JUST EXTEND THEIR PLAN BY A MONTH.
SO WE'RE NOT LOSING THE REVENUE, IT'S JUST, SO WHAT I WOULD, UM, SO I THINK WE NEED TO, I WANNA CREATE MORE WORK, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHO ALL IS, IS ON THOSE PLANS AND GET COMMUNICATION TO THEM SO WHEN THAT MONEY ISN'T DEDUCTED, THEY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
AND LET'S, LET'S PREEMPT THAT.
AND ALL THOSE CALLS COMING IN BY SAYING, HEY, I, YOU KNOW, MY, MY, MY INCOME TAX DIDN'T COME OUT OF THE BANK.
WE NEED TO LET THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THOSE PLANS KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY.
SO I'M JUST SUGGESTING WE WE PREEMPT ANY OF THAT STUFF SO THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
[ Water Infrastructure Update]
IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS A WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.UM, I DID IN YOUR PACKET THERE IS A THREE SPREADSHEETS FROM, FROM LAST TIME I WASN'T ABLE TO CHANGE OUR COMPUTER.
ROSS, YOU NEED TO USE YOUR MICROPHONE.
YOU GOTTA TALK IN DIRECTLY INTO IT.
UM, LIKE I SAID, UH, I WAS NOT ABLE TO UPDATE THESE SHEETS, BUT I CAN GO THROUGH 'EM AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
UM, AS I SAID LAST TIME, THE 2022 PROGRAM IS COMPLETED, TOTALLY DONE.
EVERYTHING'S PAVED, IT'S ALL DONE.
UH, ON THAT FIRST SHEET, THE 2023 PROGRAM, UH, ALL PIPE ON THE ONE OF THE LAST LINES, ALL PIPE HAS BEEN DELIVERED DOWN TO THE WATER PLANT FOR THIS COMING PROGRAM, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY STARTED.
UM, AND THAT WAS M AND T EXCAVATING WORKING ON TOMBERG.
UH, THEY HAVE COMPLETED PUTTING IN THE NEW MAIN, ALL THE CONNECTIONS, BUT THEY'RE JUST NOW, NEXT WEEK, UH, PAVING AND DOING RESTORATION WORK.
SO THAT FIRST PART OF THAT PROGRAM WILL BE DONE.
UM, AS FAR AS NOW FOR THE NEXT PART, UH, WE HAD TWO CONTRACTORS THERE, CG AND M AND T.
UM, CG CONSTRUCTION MAY BE STARTING JANUARY IN IN JANUARY, AND I'LL HAVE TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHEN FOR SURE WHEN THAT IS.
BUT, UH, M AND T IS COMING BACK AT THE BEGINNING OF MARCH TO DO A PRO, TO DO ANOTHER STREET AND TO GET TO THAT DONE BEFORE THE SUMMER WHERE, UH, WE WERE, UH, WORKING ON THE STREETS IN THE SUMMER FOR THE SCHOOLS TO STAY AWAY FROM THOSE, THOSE STREETS OR TO WORK ON THOSE STREETS IN THE SUMMER WHEN THERE'S NO SCHOOL.
SO, UH, AS I SAID ON THE SECOND SHEET HERE, THERE'S A GRAPH AND M AND T DID FINISH.
SO THAT GRAPH IS STILL, STILL UPDATED.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS WATER MAIN BREAKS BY MONTH.
LAST MONTH I REPORTED THERE WAS THROUGH, UH, SEPTE OR THROUGH OCTOBER THERE WERE TWO WATER MAIN BREAKS.
AND SO FAR THIS MONTH IN NOVEMBER, UH, THERE HAS BEEN ONE WATER MAIN BREAK AS OF THE THREE WEEKS OF NOVEMBER.
[ TEC Traffic Alternative Study Presentation]
NEXT, ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS THE TEC TRAFFIC ALTERNATIVE STUDY PRESENTATION.YEAH, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MIKE HAFNER FROM TEC ENGINEERING TO GO OVER THAT.
ALRIGHT, MAYOR, COUNCIL CITY STAFF.
THANK YOU, UH, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE TONIGHT.
TALK TO ABOUT THE STUDY WE'VE COMPLETED, UH, LIKE ROSSETT.
I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF ENGINEERING FOR TEC ENGINEERING.
UM, JUST A QUICK LITTLE BLURB ABOUT TC JUST IN CASE YOU'RE NOT AWARE.
UM, WE'RE SOUTHWEST OHIO BASED TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING FIRM.
UM, SO WE'RE A LOCAL FIRM TO OHIO.
UH, WE HAVE OFFICES IN DAYTON, COLUMBUS, MASON, CINCINNATI.
WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 33 YEARS.
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UM, I'VE BEEN WITH TC FOR 23.UM, AND LOOKING BACK AT THE HISTORY, OUR HISTORY WITH HUBER HEIGHTS HAS BEEN FOR THE PAST 13 YEARS, OFF AND ON.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS, DIFFERENT DESIGN PROJECTS, TIMING PROJECTS, STUDIES, SMALL TRAFFIC ITEMS, SO, SO WE HAVE INVOLVEMENT WITH THE CITY.
WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY.
UH, AND WE'RE KIND OF HERE TO HELP YOU GET INFORMED DECISIONS ON, UH, MOVING THINGS FORWARD ON THE TRAFFIC SIDE.
SO THE OLD TROY PIKE, UH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS STUDY CAN CALL IT A TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, THE NAME DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATTER THE THE RESULTS OR WHAT WE WERE REALLY AFTER, BUT OUR STUDY AREA HERE WAS OLD TROY FROM TAYLORSVILLE, UH, THROUGH EXECUTIVE AND THEN ALONG TAYLORSVILLE, UM, FROM, UH, WAYNE TOWN OVER TO MOUNT HOOD.
UH, KIND OF OUR PURPOSE AND NEED HERE WAS THERE'S INCREASED TRAFFIC DEMANDS AND NEW DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING, UH, ONGOING CONGESTION.
AND SO WE'RE USING THIS TO TEST, TEST POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES TO SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE.
UM, AND OUR ANALYSIS IS LOOKING AT THE TYPICAL PEAK HOURS OF TRAFFIC.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TYPICAL WEEKDAY PM PEAK AND A TYPICAL WEEKDAY MIDDAY PEAK.
THOSE ARE THE TWO PEAKS, UM, THAT ARE STUDIED IN THIS ANALYSIS.
I'M GONNA QUICKLY GO THROUGH SCOPE, UM, BUT IN GENERAL, WITH ANY TRAFFIC STUDY, WE'RE COLLECTING NEW COUNT DATA.
SO THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS, I MEAN, COUNT DATA IS COUNT DATA, BUT THE GOOD THING IS WE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE GOT A NEW SET OF COUNT DATA SINCE PRE COVID.
SO IT'S INTERESTING TO GET AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW VERSUS WHERE WE WERE.
CAN YOU TELL ME THE DATES OF YOUR STUDY? THE DATES OF OUR COUNTS? OUR COUNTS WERE MAY, WERE MAY OF 23.
UM, WE WANTED TO GET 'EM BEFORE SCHOOL WENT OUT, AND THIS WAS BEFORE ANY OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WAS COMING ONLINE.
SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT.
UM, UH, WE ALSO COMPLETED A TRAFFIC SIGNAL INSPECTION AND INVENTORY.
THIS IS MAINLY TO GET A LOOK AT HOW THE SYSTEM IS OPERATING AND MAKE SURE IT'S OPERATING AS IT SHOULD.
UM, THIS HELPED US AND ENGINEERING KIND OF FIND SOME ISSUES THAT WE THOUGHT WERE HAPPENING, UH, AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET THOSE FIXED.
UH, ONE WAS ODOT FIVE YEARS AGO, PULLED THEIR SIGNALS OFF OF THE CITY SYSTEM.
UM, THE TWO RAMP SIGNALS, THOSE ARE ODOT SIGNALS, THEY WERE STILL OPERATING TIMING-WISE, BUT THEY, THEIR TWO SIGNALS WERE BEING TOLD THE TIME FROM ODOT AND THE REST OF THE CITY SIGNALS WERE BEING TOLD WHAT TIME IT WAS FROM THE CITY SYSTEM.
AND NOT TO GET TOO DEEP INTO HOW SIGNAL TIMING WORKS, BUT THOSE TWO CLOCKS DRIFT A LITTLE BIT.
AND ON A QUARTER LIKE THIS WHERE CAPACITY IS, YOU KNOW, AT THE EDGE OF WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, A FEW SECONDS OFF IS GONNA LEAD TO CONGESTION.
SO A LOT OF THE CONGESTION WE'VE BEEN SEEING OVER THE PAST YEAR, IGNORING THE CONSTRUCTION ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH.
BUT THERE, THERE WAS SOME SYSTEM OPERATION, THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH CONTROL OVER 'EM BECAUSE ODOT HAD A POLICY CHANGE WHERE THEY WANTED TO CONTROL THEIR SIGNALS.
WE HAVE SINCE THIS YEAR, THAT HAS CHANGED BACK.
SO THOSE SIGNALS ARE NOW BACK ON THE CITY SYSTEM.
SO TIMING WISE, THE, THE SYSTEM SHOULD BE OPERATING AS INTENDED.
UM, FOR THIS, WE COMPLETED CRASH DATA REVIEW.
AGAIN, JUST, UH, THIS IS BASELINING JUST TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH CRASHES, UM, COMPARING, AND THEN WE KIND OF TAKE OUR CRASH DATA AND WE COMPARE IT TO STATE AVERAGES.
AND SO FOR A ROAD OF THIS TYPE, IT, IT'S GOOD TO SAY AT LEAST, UM, FOR FATAL AND SERIOUS INJURY CRASHES, WE'RE WELL BELOW AVERAGE, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS.
UM, REAR ENDS ARE HIGHER THAN AVERAGE AS EXPECTED.
THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT FOR A, A CORRIDOR WITH CONGESTION RELATED PROBLEMS. SO, BUT OTHERWISE BEYOND THAT, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE HIGH INJURY CRASHES WE'RE NOT EXPERIENCING AT THESE INTERSECTIONS, WHICH IS A GREAT THING.
SO GETTING INTO THE MEAT OF IT, DEVELOPING THE ALTERNATIVES, UM, WE'VE TALKED WITH CITY STAFF, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT CURRENT PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING, UM, AND THEN JUST GENERAL KNOWLEDGE OF AREA TO DEVELOP A LIST OF ALTERNATIVES THAT WE CAN TEST TO SEE WHAT CAN HELP WITH TRAFFIC, WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO, WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT? AND THEN WE, SOME OF THOSE WE PUT AS FEASIBLE, WHICH MEANT WE WERE GONNA ANALYZE THEM FURTHER.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE THAT WE'LL DISCUSS IN A MOMENT THAT WE TALK ABOUT, BUT WE DISMISSED, WE DIDN'T TAKE IT TO FULL ANALYSIS.
UM, AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE OUR, SO WE HAVE OUR ALTERNATIVES AND TO ANALYZE THEM, OUR PROCESS IS WE'RE LOOKING AT 20 YEARS OUT.
SO WE'RE TAKING OUR BASELINE COUNTS THAT WE HAVE NOW, WE'RE GROWING THEM 20 YEARS.
UM, AND WE USE M-V-R-P-C, THE RE, THE MPO FOR THE AREA.
THEY HAVE A REGIONAL MODEL AND THEY CAN GIVE GROWTH RATES FOR OLD TRUCK PIKE.
SO WE'VE GROWN OUR BASELINE TRACK FOR 20 YEARS.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE KNOWN DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THE, THE HUBER HEIGHTS COMMONS THAT WE KNOW IS COMING ONLINE.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S INCLUDED.
SO THAT GETS LAYERED ON TOP OF THAT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO COVER ALL OUR BASES
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TO GET THE BEST VOLUMES THAT WE CAN FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE ALL ESTIMATING FOR 20 YEARS OUT ANYWAY, WHERE, YOU KNOW, CARS MIGHT BE FLYING AND ALL THAT, BUT, SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO TO GET OUR TRAFFIC GROWTH.UM, THEN WITHIN EACH ALTERNATIVE, UM, POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES MIGHT RESTRICT MOVEMENTS OF TRAFFIC.
SO THERE'S REDISTRIBUTION OF TRAFFIC THAT HAS TO HAPPEN, AND A LOT OF THAT OCCURS ON THE ENGINEERING JUDGMENT SIDE.
BUT TO SUPPLEMENT WITH THAT JUDGMENT, WE'VE USED A, UH, DATA FIRM CALLED STREETLIGHT DATA.
AND WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS A BIG DATA FIRM.
SO THIS IS TAKING ANONYMIZED CELL PHONE DATA, ANONYMIZED IN VEHICLE, UM, NAVIGATION SYSTEM DATA THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THOSE COMPANIES.
THEY SELL 'EM OFF TO COMPANIES LIKE THIS.
AND YOU CAN GET THAT DATA FOR TRAFFIC MOBILITY REASONS.
AND WHAT THIS ALLOWS US TO DO IS WE CAN GO IN AND SELECT, UM, ROADWAY SEGMENTS AND ON A SPECIFIC ROADWAY SEGMENT, WE CAN FIND OUT WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM THAT ARE ON THAT SEGMENT AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING GENERALLY.
UM, AND IN THE PAST WE WOULD'VE HAD TO DO THAT BY STANDING ON THE CORNER AND HANDING OUT POSTCARDS AND HOPING PEOPLE FILL THEM OUT AND RETURN THEM.
BUT NOWADAYS, UM, THANKS TO TECHNOLOGY, WE CAN, WE CAN JUST GET ON OUR COMPUTER, CLICK ON A LINK, AND GET A WHOLE LOT OF DATA, UM, THAT'S GONNA HELP US BETTER, UH, REDISTRIBUTE TRAFFIC.
AND THE BENEFIT OF THAT IS WE NOW, WE CAN LOOK AT AND SEE WHAT PERCENTAGE OF TRAFFIC ARE GOING CERTAIN DIRECTIONS FROM A ROUTE, AND THEN IF THAT ROUTE CLOSES, WE NOW KNOW WHERE THEY WANTED TO GO SO WE KNOW WHERE TO MOVE THEM BETTER THAN JUST A GUESS.
UM, STANDARD ANALYSIS, CAPACITY ANALYSIS, QUEUE ANALYSIS.
I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THAT TOO MUCH, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE JUST USING TO KIND OF GET A MEASURE OF DELAY AT INTERSECTIONS AND QUEUE, UH, CAUSED BY ANY OF THESE RE DISTRIBUTIONS OR, UH, IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
IT'S JUST KIND OF THE BASELINE, EACH THING VERSUS EACH OTHER.
UM, YEAH, AND THEN I, IDENTIFYING THE IMPACTS AND THEN DETERMINING THE COUNTERMEASURES.
SO LET'S JUST TALK ALTERNATIVES.
SO THE ALTERNATIVE WE DISMISSED WAS, UH, WE CONSIDERED IT, IT IS THE ADDITIONAL NORTH SOUTH CROSSING OF I 70.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 2 0 1, WE HAVE 2 0 2.
UM, BUT THIS WOULD BE A PARALLEL ONE TO OLD TROY.
UM, WE DISMISSED IT MAINLY, WE, WE LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC MODELING THAT STREETLIGHT DATA WE TALKED ABOUT TO TRY TO, UM, TO DETERMINE WHAT, UH, AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WOULD BE ATTRACTED TO A ROAD LIKE THAT.
UM, AND BASED ON THE NUMBERS WE'RE SEEING IT JUST THE AMOUNT OF ATTRACTION FOR THAT ROAD WAS LIMITED.
UM, IT WAS LIMITED IN TERMS OF THE COST IT WOULD TAKE TO IMPLEMENT A PROJECT LIKE THAT.
SO THE BENEFIT WASN'T NECESSARILY WORTH THE COST, UM, AT LEAST IN, IN OUR 20 YEAR HORIZON.
UM, ADDITIONALLY LOOKING AT THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, FEASIBILITY OF THAT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF GRADE ISSUES, WHICH WE'RE PROBABLY AWARE OF.
IF WE GET BEHIND CAMPING WORLD, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S, UH, A LOT OF GRADE, A LOT OF DOWNGRADE, A LOT OF LOW LINE AREAS.
SO IN THAT LOW LINE AREAS, WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF WETLAND.
SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL RED FLAGS.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT TO GO INTO CONSTRUCTION OF THAT, THAT A LOT OF IT PROBABLY COULD BE OVERCOME WITH MONEY, BUT THAT, THAT MONEY NUMBER GETS A LOT BIGGER.
UM, AND THE 30 TO 35 MILLION IS PROBABLY LOW, UM, AS THAT'S REALLY JUST ROADWAY WORK STRUCTURE WORK, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE INTANGIBLES THAT WE DON'T KNOW, UM, IT, IT'S REALLY TOUGH TO, TO ESTIMATE THOSE COSTS.
WHAT DID YOU, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC WOULD BE? THE NUMBERS? IT WAS, UH, NO, I MEAN, WELL, AS FAR AS REDISTRIBUTION? YEAH.
I MEAN WE, IT WAS SUB, UH, LIKE 6%.
IT WOULD REMOVE ABOUT 6% OFF OF OLD TROY.
IT'S JUST THE, THE DESTINATIONS I 70, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VOLUMES WANT TO BE ON TR OLD TROY TO GET TO 70, GET TO THE SHOPS ON OLD TROY.
UM, AN ALTERNATE WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR LOCALS, BUT IT'S JUST THE, THE NUMBERS TO JUSTIFY, UH, THE 6% SEEMED LOW FOR US TO JUSTIFY A HUGE PROJECT LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T CARRY IT FORWARD TO, TO ANALYZE WHAT THE, WE, WE KNOW THE REDUCTION OF 6% IS GONNA BE BETTER THAN IF WE DIDN'T TAKE ANY TRAFFIC AWAY, BUT IT JUST DIDN'T JUSTIFY CARRYING IT FORWARD TO ANALYZE.
SO DID YOU CONSIDER A, A CONNECTOR, UM, TO WILDCAT OVER TO, UH, 2 0 2? WE DID NOT.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, AN OPTION THAT WOULD'VE BEEN LOOKED AT BECAUSE LIKE WHERE CARRIAGE, WHERE, UM, UH, WHAT'S THAT ROAD? CHAMBERSBURG,
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NOT CHAMBERSBURG, WHAT'S THE ROAD THAT DEAD ENDS THERE? UM, JEFF, THE ONE YOU LIVE ON, OH, UH, CHARLES GATE.CHARLES GATE, WHERE IT COMES OUT.
IF THERE WAS A WAY FOR IT TO GO OVER TO, TO WILDCAT, YOU KNOW, THEN A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE UP THERE MIGHT BE ABLE TO AVOID 2 0 2 IN ORDER TO GET OVER, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE OTHER SHOPPING AREA.
IT, IT, THAT, THAT JUST WASN'T AN ALTERNATIVE THAT CAME OUT THROUGH OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY.
UM, AND THE STAFF AND, AND THROUGH OUR BRAINSTORMING AS WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IS TRYING TO GET TRAFFIC AWAY FROM MERRILY WAYNE TOWN, WHICH IS KIND OF OUR PINCH POINT.
UM, SO, UH, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE LOOKED AT.
GIVE YOU A GREAT ANSWER ON IT.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE AN THE ALTERNATIVES WE ANALYZE.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS KIND OF THE BASELINE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
LIKE, SO THE PROJECT, THE ONGOING PROJECT, THE WIDENING OF OLD TROY FOR THE NORTHBOUND LANE.
SO THIS IS THE ANALYSIS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO WE USE THIS JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT'S THAT ACTUALLY GONNA MEAN? 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, 'CAUSE THIS ALL CAME ABOUT FROM A NEED AND, UH, FROM THE DEVELOPMENT KIND OF DRIVING THE NEED TO THROW THAT LANE IN.
BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY ANALYZED WHAT DOES IT MEAN OVERALL 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
UM, SO REALLY WITH, WITH THAT WIDENING, UH, IN PLACE, UM, REALLY THE MODELS THAT WE'RE RUNNING ARE SHOWING REALLY LIKE MUCH IMPROVED CONDITIONS.
UM, AND SO IT, I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT PROJECT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE CARRIED FORWARD WITH, UM, UH, AND, AND IT'S GONNA SHOW, I THINK IT'S GONNA YIELD GREAT RESULTS FOR THE CORRIDOR.
UM, AND THEN JUST A LITTLE NOTE THAT, THAT ONE, SINCE IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING, IT'S GONNA BE INCLUDED IN THE ANALYSIS OF ALL OUR OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT ALREADY BUILT INTO IT.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO EITHER, UH, INCREASE CAPACITY IN THE AREA OR, UM, INCREASED TIME.
AND BY INCREASING TIME, I MEAN, WHAT CHANGES CAN WE MAKE IN AN INTERSECTION TO WHERE WE CAN, UH, ELIMINATE A MOVEMENT OR ELIMINATE A PHASE, WHICH ALLOWS US TO TAKE THE TIME THAT THAT WAS USING AND GIVE IT BACK TO THE OTHER MOVEMENT.
SO, UH, OUR FIRST ALTERNATIVE IS A CONVERSION OF WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD TO A ONE-WAY OPERATION, ONE-WAY WESTBOUND OPERATION AWAY FROM OLD TROY.
UM, WHAT THIS DOES IS IT GIVES US, THAT SIMPLIFIES THE INTERSECTION.
UM, 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WAYNE TOWN MERRILY, WHICH WE ALL ARE, UH, IT OPERATES IN A SPLIT PHASE.
SO THAT MEANS WAYNE TOWN GETS GREEN AND THEN IT GOES TO MERRILEE.
AND THAT'S MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE GEOMETRIC CONFIGURATION OF IT.
UM, SO IF WE CAN ELIMINATE ONE OF THOSE LEGS, WE GET ALL THE TIME THAT WAYNE TOWN WOULD'VE HAD, AND THAT CAN GET DISTRIBUTED BACK TO OLD TROY OR EVEN MERRILEE, UM, TO, TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME TO HELP THEM OPERATE BETTER.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, UH, COSTS WITH EVERYTHING.
SO WE WE'RE DISTRIBUTING THAT TRAFFIC THROUGH THE NETWORK.
UM, OBVIOUSLY GONNA PUT MORE TRAFFIC DOWN TOWARD TAYLORSVILLE ON WAYNE TOWN.
WE FORESEE, UM, TRAFFIC CONTROL CHANGES THERE, POTENTIALLY SIGNAL.
UM, WE HAVE INCREASED VOLUMES ON EASTBOUND TAYLORSVILLE, UH, AT OLD TROY.
UH, SPECIFICALLY THE WESTBOUND LEFT OR THE, THE EASTBOUND LEFT, EXCUSE ME.
UM, WHICH IS REALLY THE NUMBERS ARE CALLING FOR, UH, AN ADDITIONAL WIDENING PROJECT TO HAPPEN THERE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT ADDED TRAFFIC SUCH AS A DUAL LEFT, UM, FROM EASTBOUND.
UM, A CONCERN WE HAVE WITH THIS OPTION IS, UM, WELL WE'RE GONNA GET INCREASED VOLUME THROUGH THE PLAZA.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING THE VEHICLES OR THE MOTORS THAT ARE AT KROGER, LIKE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THEM.
UM, WE ANTICIPATE THEN THAT THEY WOULD GO SOUTH TO USE THE NEW BURGER KING SIGNAL TO, TO GET TO OLD TROY.
OUR, OUR CONCERN IS THE, UM, OH NO, OUR CONCERN IS THE SHOPPING, UH, USES UP TO THE NORTH OF WAYNE TOWN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WAYNE TOWN.
WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS TO, UH, HAVE THAT TRAFFIC CUT ACROSS WAYNE TOWN TO CUT THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
'CAUSE I MEAN PARKING LOTS, THAT'S HIGHED VEHICLE CONFLICT AREAS.
SO IF YOU KNOW, IF, IF, UH, A PROJECT LIKE THIS HAS MOVED FORWARD, YOU WANNA BE REALLY CAREFUL IN DESIGN TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT CREATING SAFETY HAZARDS IN THOSE PARKING AREAS.
BECAUSE RUS, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLICK ON THAT CLICKER TO CLOSE THAT.
SEE IF YOU CAN HIT THE CLOSE FOR ME.
BATTERY, ANYTHING OUT WHILE BRIAN GETS A CORD.
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UM, YEAH, 'CAUSE THE, THE CONCERN WITH THIS ONE IS THE EXTRA LENGTH OF TRAVEL TIME TO GET DOWN TO OLD TROY AND AROUND.UM, SO IT, IT WOULD BE VERY ATTRACTIVE TO USE THE PLAZA TO CUT THROUGH.
UM, AND THAT'S GONNA PUT MOTORS A VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIANS AT RISK IN THE PARKING LOT.
UM, BUT POTENTIALLY DE UNDER DESIGN, A DESIGN PHASE OF A PROJECT LIKE THAT COULD SOLVE THAT.
UM, UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING THAT TRAFFIC, IT'S DISTRIBUTING.
SO THERE'S, WE WOULD EXPECT SOME KIND OF MODIFICATION BEING NEEDED ON THE, THE APPROACH COMING OUT OF BURGER KING.
UH, EITHER A DUAL LEFT, UH, JUST SOME ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A TWO LANE APPROACH.
UM, AND THEN THE COST FOR THIS, WHEN YOU ADD IN ALL THESE OTHER SUBSEQUENT PROJECTS, UM, IS AROUND THE $4 MILLION RANGE FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
UH, ALTERNATIVE TWO IS KIND OF THE FLIP FLOP.
THIS ONE, UH, THE BIG PORTION OF IT IS THE CONNECTION OF MARILEE TO MOUNT HOOD.
UM, BUT THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THIS OPTION LOOKS AT MAKING MARILEE ONE WAY AWAY FROM OLD TROY.
AGAIN, WITH THE GOAL IN MIND OF, WE'RE TRYING TO SIMPLIFY, UH, THE INTERSECTION, THE PINCH POINT THERE.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE SIMPLIFYING THAT INTERSECTION, MOVING THAT WESTBOUND LEG.
YOU CAN THEN TAKE THE TIME THAT MERRILEE WAS GETTING, GIVE IT BACK TO OLD TROY, UH, AND WAYNE TOWN TO HELP THAT INTERSECTION OPERATE BETTER.
AGAIN, THE SAME KIND OF ISSUES AS THE OTHER SIDE.
WE HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL TRAVEL DISTANCE.
SO NOW ALL VEHICLES ENTERING MERRILEE TO GO TO THOSE BUSINESSES, THEY CAN STILL ACCESS THEM EASILY FROM OLD TROY'S JUST LEAVING.
THEY'RE GONNA BE FORCED, SORRY, THEY'RE GONNA BE FORCED, UH, THROUGH THE LONGER PATH.
UM, UH, ANOTHER CONCERN WITH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, MOUNT HOOD IS A RESIDENTIAL STREET, 25 MILES PER HOUR.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING, UH, SIGNIFICANT VOLUMES DOWN THERE, UH, THAT OUR INTENT ON GETTING THROUGH THERE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO IT'S A CONCERN AND SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, BEFORE OFFICIALLY IMPLEMENTING A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
UM, AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE OPPOSITE SIDE, UH, WE GET THAT INCREASE NOW ON WESTBOUND TAYLORSVILLE, AND THAT'S GONNA LEAD TO SOME CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS BEING NECESSARY ON THAT APPROACH TO, TO TAYLOR, UH, TO OLD TROY.
THIS ONE IS THE $7.5 MILLION PROJECT, BUT THAT INCLUDES ALL THE PROPERTY WORK AND BUILDING WORK AND DEMOLITION WORK THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY.
AND I'LL JUST NOTE THAT SHE CAN'T READ IT, BUT THAT RED LINE IS JUST, THE CONNECTION IS NOT AN ALIGNMENT THAT'S SET, IT'S JUST A LINE TO SHOW A CONNECTION ORDER MOUNT HOOD.
SO THE SEVEN 7.47 MILLION OR IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY? IT DOES, IT DOES.
THIS ONE INCLUDES THE, UH, RIGHT, THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY.
PROPERTY IN THE BUILDING AND DEMOLITION ESTIMATES ARE INCLUDED IN THIS.
SO IT MAKE MOUNT HOOD FOUR LANES? NO, NO.
MOUNT HOOD WOULD STAY AT THREE LANE ROAD IN THIS CASE.
BUT IT INCLUDES LIKE SOME RES STRIPING WORK AND ESTIMATES OF WHAT, BUT IT DID, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE WIDENED INTO A, A FOUR LANE ROAD.
A SIMILAR ALTERNATIVE, WE'LL CALL TWO B.
THIS IS JUST THE EXTENSION TO MERRILEE AND KIND OF A MORE TRADITIONAL IMPROVEMENT.
THIS IS JUST KIND OF TO MIMIC WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON WAYNE TOWN, WHICH IS THIS CONNECTOR ROAD.
UM, SO WE, THIS REDIRECTS SOME TRAFFIC FROM ROY, WHICH YOU CAN LOOK AT AS A POSITIVE OR A NEGATIVE, UM, POSITIVE FOR OLD TROY.
NOT NECESSARILY GREAT FOR MOUNT HOOD.
SO THEN THERE'S TRADE OFFS ON ALL THESE'S.
UM, WE DO GET THE ADDED CONNECTIVITY FOR THE MOUNT HOOD NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, EASIER ACCESS TO OLD TROY.
UM, CONCERNS WITH THIS ONE IS REALLY, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT INTERSECTION OPERATION.
LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GAINING ANY TIME, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY ADDED CAPACITY.
SO OPERATIONALLY IT'S NOT REALLY GONNA CHANGE.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE MOVING VOLUMES AROUND AT THIS INTERSECTION, AND BY DOING SO, WE MOVE 'EM OFF OF OUR MAINLINE MOVEMENTS OR NORTH SOUTH THROUGHS AND PUT 'EM ONTO OUR, UH, MOVEMENTS THAT HAVE LESS CAPACITY.
THE SOUTHBOUND LEFT THE WESTBOUND RIGHT.
UM, MAKING THOSE TWO MOVEMENTS OPERATE WORSE.
SO IS THAT STILL ONE WAY? NO, IN THIS ONE IT'S A TWO-WAY.
THIS IS MORE A TRADITIONAL, THIS IS JUST THE PUNCH THROUGH TO MOUNT HOOD TWO-WAY OPERATION.
UM, SO THAT ROUTE, THE NEW MOUNT HOOD TO MERRILEE ROUTE WILL GET SOME CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.
SOME PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BYPASS TAYLORSVILLE INTERSECTION,
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UM, BUT IT WON'T HAVE THE, IT WON'T HAVE THE FORCED TRAFFIC THAT THE ONE-WAY WOULD, THE ISSUE IS IT DOESN'T GET THE SAME IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE ONE WAY OPTION DOES BY 'CAUSE THE ONE WAY OPTION SIMPLIFIES WAYNE TOWN MERRILY INTERSECTION, WHEREAS THIS ONE DOES NOT.UM, AGAIN, YEAH, THE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN.
THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL STREET, BUT JUST HAD TO DESIGN AND PLAN THIS ACCORDINGLY.
UM, AND THEN THE COST OF THIS ONE IS THE 5.6.
UM, THAT'S THE ROADWAY WIDENING AND ALL THE PROPERTY WORK.
SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT MAKES UP THE DIFFERENCE OF $2 MILLION? THAT IS IN THE OTHER ONE, IT WOULD BE IMPROVEMENTS AT WAYNE TOWN, UH, OR AT, SORRY, TAYLORSVILLE AND OLD TROY.
SO I'M WIDENING THERE FOR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY FOR A WESTBOUND, A DUAL WESTBOUND, RIGHT.
IS WHAT THE NUMBERS SAY AT ONCE BASED ON THE ADDED, UH, REDIRECTED TRAFFIC.
AND I WISH THESE NUMBERS WERE INFLATED, BUT UNFORTUNATELY CONSTRUCTION COSTS NOWADAYS ARE JUST A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
THIS GOES BACK TO A MORE TRADITIONAL WIDENING TYPE PROJECT.
THIS IS KIND OF THE PARTNER OF THE CURRENT PROJECT.
THIS WOULD BE TO ADD THE THIRD SOUTHBOUND LANE ON OLD TROY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS GOOD IT GIVES US EXTRA CAPACITY FOR SOUTHBOUND, BUT THE INTER THE ANALYSIS RESULTS REALLY DON'T SHOW, UM, AT LEAST IN OUR 20 YEAR HORIZON.
LIKE THERE'S A DRIVING NEED FOR THAT IMPROVEMENT.
UM, WE PUT IT IN THERE 'CAUSE IT'S, UH, THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY ALREADY TO DO THIS.
SO IT, FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, IT'S RELATIVELY SIMPLE.
UM, IT'S JUST NOT REALLY NECESSARY.
SOMETHING THAT, THERE'S NOTHING DRIVING THE NEED TO ADD ANOTHER LANE SOUTHBOUND AT THIS POINT ON OLD TROY.
BUT THE TOPOGRAPHY DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR IT, DOES IT? NO, NOT PAST TAYLORSVILLE.
SO THIS WILL GET YOU DOWN TO TAYLORSVILLE FROM 70.
SOUTHBOUND TO WAYNE TOWN, AT LEAST FROM 70 TO WAYNE TOWN HAS THREE SOUTHBOUND LANES.
UH, THIS WOULD CONNECT THE LAST TWO BLOCKS DOWN TO TAYLORSVILLE.
ONCE YOU GET TO TAYLORSVILLE, THEN YOU HAVE SOME BIG GRADE DROPS FOR THAT CORNER PROPERTY.
BUT AGAIN, THE REALLY, THE ANALYSIS NUMBERS DON'T SHOW.
THIS IS BEING ONE THAT IS REALLY NECESSARILY NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AT THIS TIME.
UH, THEY'RE AROUND $4 MILLION FOR THAT WIDENING.
THEN I'LL TURN TO FIVE IS AGAIN, KIND OF ANOTHER UNIFYING TYPE PROJECT WHERE WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT WIDENING THE OVERPASS TO GET OUR THREE THROUGH LANES, UH, TO CARRY ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
RIGHT NOW THE BRIDGE IS A SEVEN LANE BRIDGE, UH, TWO THROUGH LANES.
UH, LEFT TURN LANES IN A SHARED LEFT TURN LANE IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, THIS PROJECT WOULD WIDEN THE BRIDGE OUT TO A, UH, UH, A NINE LANE SECTION.
BUT AGAIN, THE, THE NUMBERS DON'T SHOW THIS AS BEING DRIVEN BY A NEED.
UM, IT'S MORE JUST A LOGICAL PROJECT AT SOME POINT.
UM, AND MAYBE ONE THAT SHOULD BE THOUGHT OF ON THE LONG TERM PLAN.
UM, 'CAUSE THIS ONE WOULD OBVIOUSLY TAKE LONGER TO IMPLEMENT.
'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH OUR FRIENDS AT ODOT.
UM, BUT IT'S IN THERE FOR ANALYSIS PURPOSES.
UM, AND THIS AGAIN, BIG STRUCTURE COSTS INFLATE OUR COSTS.
UH, SO OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS, OR AT LEAST OUR FINAL FINDINGS, I GUESS, UM, FROM THIS ONE IS GENERALLY STAY THE COURSE, THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PROVED.
THE WIDENING, LET'S, LET'S ALLOW THE WIDENING TO OCCUR.
UH, THE MODELING IS SHOWING THE WIDENING, UM, IS GOING TO GIVE US, UH, IT'S GONNA YIELD ACCEPTABLE OPERATIONAL RESULTS.
UM, UH, UNDER OUR EVERYDAY CONDITIONS.
UM, THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, WE, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY IS ADVANCING REALLY FAST.
UM, AND THE C CITY SIGNAL SYSTEM IS JUST AGING.
UM, AND SO SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE DELAYS, SOME OF THE ISSUES COULD BE CAUSED BY THE AGE OF THAT.
BUT, SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF NOW TO KIND OF TALK TO THEM ABOUT OPTIONS TO BRING THE SYSTEM UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS, WHICH JUST ALLOWS A LOT MORE, UM, A LOT MORE HANDS-ON A LOT MORE NOTIFICATION OF WHAT'S GOING ON, UM, THAN THE ORDER, UH, VERSION THAT THEY, THAT'S CURRENTLY OUT THERE.
UM, UM, ADDRESS SPOT TRAFFIC ISSUES WITH PROPERTY OWNERS.
THIS IS JUST MAINLY TO SAY THAT THIS STUDY DOESN'T, CAN'T LOOK AT, IT'S NOT LOOKING AT, UH, THE DAY AFTER A MAJOR WINTER STORM WHEN THE CAR WASHES ARE JUST JAMMED.
UM, SO THAT'S STUFF THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH.
THERE'S NOT A DESIGN SOLUTION NECESSARILY FOR THAT.
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UM, SO THOSE ISSUES WOULD'VE TO BE DEALT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OR, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE CITY USING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HELP CLEAR THINGS OUT.BUT, UH, LONG-TERM FIXES THERE, THERE, THERE'S NOT GREAT DESIGN ISSUES FOR THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY SPECIFIC ISSUES.
UM, AND THEN JUST USE THE RESULTS OF THIS ANALYSIS.
GIVES US A LOT OF DATA, A LOT OF INFORMATION ON FUTURE PROJECTS TO BE LOOKING FOR, UM, BASED ON INCOMING DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY ARE.
WE NOW KNOW, UM, SOME OF THE PROBLEMATIC MOVEMENTS THAT WE SHOULD EXPECT.
YOU KNOW, THE LIST OF WIDENING PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE WITH EACH OF THESE ALTERNATIVES.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST TIED DIRECTLY TO THESE PROJECTS.
IT COULD BE A BIG DEVELOPMENT OUT WEST IS GONNA PUT A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON TAYLORSVILLE.
UM, SO NOW WE'LL KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT FOR A FUTURE WIDENING PROJECT.
SO I THINK THERE'S GOOD DATA IN THIS THAT CAN BE USED FOR PLANNING, FUTURE PLANNING AND, AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT USE.
COULD YOU GO BACK TO OPTION ONE A PLEASE? TWO A ONE A, I THINK IT WAS ONE A THE FIRST, UH, THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU PRESENTED.
OR ZERO OPTION ZERO RIGHT THERE.
THIS ONE THAT YOU PROPOSED THE ONE WAY, UM, AND IT WENT THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER, RIGHT? NO, THE ONE WAY, THE ONE WAY IS WAYNE TOWN THE FULL LENGTH OF WAYNE TOWN.
SO WHEN GOES OUR, OUR CONCERN IS THE, THE TRAFFIC, UM, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY WILLING TO TAKE THE LONGER ROUTE AROUND WOULD SEEK SHORTER OPTIONS AND A SHORTER OPTION WOULD BE THROUGH THE PLAZA, WHICH IS A MOVEMENT WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT, WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A CUT THROUGH THROUGH THE PLAZA JUST BECAUSE THE PED VEHICLE CONFLICTS IS GONNA BE A CONCERN.
WELL, I KNOW THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME OUT OF THE MOVIES, THEY DON'T GO OUT ON 2 0 2.
THEY GO OUT TO TAYLORSVILLE TO, TO COME SOUTH.
AND SO I I THOUGHT THAT YOU SAID THAT THAT LOOP ON WAYNE TOWN WENT THROUGH NO, SORRY, SORRY.
I A YEAH, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING CLEAR ENOUGH, BUT YEAH, IT SAID THE, THE, THE ONE WAY WORK WOULD BE SOLELY ON WAYNE TOWN.
UM, AND FOR THE STUDY PURPOSES WE'RE SHOWING AT THE FULL LENGTH, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT CAME INTO AN ACTUAL PROJECT, UH, REALLY THE AREA WE NEED TO BE ONE WAY IS, UH, THE NORTHERN SECTION THERE.
SO YOU COULD FIND A WAY WITH DESIGN TO HAVE A ONE-WAY SECTION AWAY, BUT STILL ALLOW WAYNE TOWN ON THE BACKSIDE TO STAY TWO WAY FOR ALL THE BUSINESS ACCESS THERE.
I MEAN, SO THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S OPTIONS WITHIN THESE OPTIONS THAT THE STUDY JUST CAN'T LOOK INTO.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE GLOBAL ONE-WAY.
SO YOU JUST COUNTED THE MOUNT HOOD IS NOT BEING, UH, THE MOUNT HOOD BYPASS IS NOT BEING A FEASIBLE UH, NO, IT, IT, THE, ALL THE ONES WE'RE ANALYZING ARE FEASIBLE OPTIONS.
UH, WELL, BUT YOU DIDN'T RECOMMEND ANY OF 'EM REALLY, RIGHT? YEAH, WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND ANY OTHER THAN THE CURRENT WIDENING WE HAVE WITH THE GOAL OF WHAT IS BEST FOR OLD TROY AT THIS TIME.
OUR CONCERNS WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS WITH ONE, WITH TWO A, THE MERRILY WAY OPTIONS.
UM, ONE WE HAVE, IF WE CONNECT IT WITH ONE WAY, WE DO GET SOME BENEFITS TO OLD TROY.
IF WE CONNECT MERRILY AND, AND KEEP IT AS A TWO-WAY, WE DON'T GET ANY BENEFITS.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO MARY LOU WAY CONNECTING TO HUBER ROAD AND MAKING LIKE A LOOP TO COME OUT TO HUBER ROAD? MARY LEE WAY CONNECTION TO HUBER? UM, WELL, HUBER IS GOING AWAY.
HUBER HUBER COURT IS NO LONGER THERE, RIGHT? SO, BUT TO COME TO CONNECT TO THAT STOPLIGHT WHERE THAT STOPLIGHT IS IN FRONT OF HAYDEN, UM, IT WAS CONSIDERED, IT'S JUST THE PROPERTIES THERE ARE BUILT OUT.
SO IT, IT WAS, IT WASN'T LOOKED AT, UM, TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
IT, IT DIDN'T GO FURTHER THAN BASIC THOUGHT.
I THINK WE LOOKED AT THAT ALTERNATIVE A LONG TIME AGO, AND THERE'S WASN'T ENOUGH ROOM ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE HOTEL SIDE TO, TO PUT THAT, TO PUT THAT ROAD THROUGH THERE.
THERE JUST, THERE JUST WASN'T, THERE JUST WASN'T ENOUGH ROOM.
'CAUSE WE LOOKED AT THAT BEFORE WE EVEN MADE THE DECISION TO COMPLETELY VACATE THE ROAD.
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THE, THERE'S JUST NOT, THERE JUST WASN'T ENOUGH ROOM ON THAT, ON THAT BACKSIDE.AND IT, IT POTENTIALLY WOULD'VE SIMILAR SI MEAN IT, IF WE TAKE VOLUMES FROM MERRILEE DOWN TOWARD THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S GOOD.
IF VOLUMES WANNA GO THE OPPOSITE WAY UP TO MERRILEE, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO INCREASE VOLUMES ON MERRILEE.
UM, IT ALREADY HAS ENOUGH VOLUMES RIGHT NOW AND, AND CAN HAVE MORE.
SO, SO THAT CONNECTION COULD BE GOOD FOR CONNECTIVITY.
IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SAY WITHOUT, WE HAVE AN AN AND AN NAIL.
I, I CAN'T SEE THAT MAKING MUCH TOO, BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE JUST TAKEN ALL THAT TRAFFIC ON MERLY WAY AND BROUGHT IT OUT AT HAYDEN LANE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL KEEPING ALL THAT TRAFFIC ON OLD TROY PIKE.
AND WE'RE NOT MOVING THAT TRAFFIC ANYWHERE.
SO WHAT ABOUT CONNECTING TO MOUNT HOOD AND BACK THERE? AND THOSE ARE PRIVATE STREETS.
SO WE WOULD BUY THE STREETS AND THEY'D BECOME OUR STREETS.
NOW TO MAINTAIN THAT, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION.
UM, MOUNT HOOD'S A PUBLIC STREET UP TO THAT POINT, BUT IF YOU WOULD GO TO GO TO LEFT, WOULD THAT EVER CONNECT BACK TO BLACK SHEAR? IF YOU'RE RIGHT, IF YOU GO LEFT, YOU START GOING INTO A PRIVATE STREET, COULD THE PRIVATE STREETS MAKE 'EM WIDER AND GO BACK INTO BLACK SHEAR YEAR? WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT, BUT MAYBE THAT'S A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE THERE'S A GATE THERE.
KEEP THE TRAFFIC FROM ALL, EVEN GOING DOWN TO TAYLORSVILLE AND ANYBODY WANTS TO SHOOT THROUGH TO GO STRAIGHT DOWN STONERS, IT'D BE A CUT THROUGH, JUST LIKE RICHMONDVILLE.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT THE STREETLIGHT METADATA, SO THE INFORMATION THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO US DIDN'T TELL US JUST WHERE THESE DRIVERS WERE.
IT ALSO TOLD US WHERE THESE DRIVERS WERE COMING FROM AND WHERE THEY WERE GOING.
SO WHILE SOME OF THESE, SOME SUGGESTIONS MIGHT SERVE AS SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS BETTER THAN OTHERS, I THINK THE POINT THAT MICHAEL'S TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT SOME OF THESE, THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS TO INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DIVERT 6% OR 4% OF TRAFFIC JUST AREN'T FEASIBLE EXPENDITURES FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE.
WHICH, SO THE PRINTED WERE NOT EXPLORED AS PART OF THE ANALYSIS.
NOW, IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE US DIRECTION ON THOSE, WE CAN EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS.
BUT TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, UM, WE DIDN'T RUN THE ANALYSIS BECAUSE OF THAT VERY REASON, BECAUSE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, THE INVESTMENT OR THE RETURN BEING THE DIVERGENT OF TRAFFIC WAS NOT, UH, ANYTHING OTHER THAN MARGINAL AT BEST.
SO IS IS THE LONG RANGE PLAN FOR THE, UH, ROAD THAT'S IN FRONT OF JERSEY, MIKE AND BIBI BOB'S FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO TRAVEL DOWN THAT WHOLE STREET OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING IN THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BACK OUT ON 2 0 2? YES, THAT'S RIGHT.
IT'S A, IT'S PRIVATE, BUT YES.
IT, IT'S REALLY COOL THAT YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU CAN RIGHT NOW.
AND I WAS HOPING THAT THEY WERE GONNA CONTINUE THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A ROAD BEHIND YEAH.
THAT ALSO DOES THE SAME, UH, THE SAME EFFECT TO THAT NORTH SOUTH BYPASS.
UM, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THE MOUNTAINS OF PAGES OF DATA THAT
UM, MY, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IN YOUR OPINION, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CONNECTION OF MOUNTAIN HOOD, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S ONE BII, I KNOW YOU PRESENTED TWO OPTIONS OF, UH, OF THE CONNECTIONS TO THE MOUNTAIN HOOD, ONE BEING A ONE WAY, AND THE OTHER ONE I WE'RE GONNA CALL IT A FREE FOR ALL TWO WAY.
TRADITIONAL, TRADITIONAL OPERATIONS.
TRADITIONAL WE'LL CALL, WE'LL GO A TRADITIONAL A ONE WAY AND A TRADITIONAL.
UM, SO IN, I WROTE THAT DOWN, THAT'S WHY I KNEW THAT.
IN, IN YOUR OPINION, TAKE, TAKE THE DOLLAR OUT OF THE EQUATION.
WE WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT, IN YOUR OPINION, UH, WITH TEC, WHICH ONE OF THOSE MAKES TRAFFIC SENSE, UM, MAKES TRAFFIC SENSE FROM THE, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IT OF I IMPROVING OF IMPACTS TO OLD TROY.
THE ONE-WAY OPTION MAKES MORE SENSE.
THE TWO-WAY PROVIDES BETTER CONNECTIVITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT REALLY DOES VERY LITTLE FOR OLD TROY.
UH, AND IT REALLY PUTS MORE TRAFFIC ON THE PROBLEMATIC MOVEMENTS AT MERRILY WAYNE TOWN.
SO OF THE TWO, UM, THE ONE-WAY OPTION, WHICH HAD, WHICH HAS ITS OWN HURDLES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
WHICH OPTION WAS THAT THEN? UH, OF THESE TWO? OF TWO A AND TWO B, AS FAR AS COMPARING THESE TWO TO EACH OTHER AND WHICH ONE PROVIDES A BETTER, UH, IMPACT FOR OLD TROY? UH, TWO A PROVIDES A BETTER IMPACT.
THE EASIER WAY TO REMEMBER THAT IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE ONE, OTHER THAN WIDENING THE OVERPASS.
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GO AHEAD MR. CAMPBELL.SO THERE IN MOUNT HOOD, WHEN IT COMES OUT, I SEE A LEFT TURN AND A RIGHT TURN.
SO YOU WOULD TURN LEFT ONTO AND CONTINUE BACK THROUGH MOUNT HOOD.
YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF GOING EITHER WAY LEFT OR RIGHT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THAT LITTLE STREET BACK THERE TO THOSE PRIVATE STREETS WE TAKE ON THOSE STREETS.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? WELL, IT WOULD BE, UH, IT WOULD JUST BE A NORMAL INTERSECTION THAT WOULD HAVE THE OPTION TO TURN BOTH WAYS.
IF IT'S NOT OPEN, THEN YOU COULDN'T TURN THAT WAY.
SO, BUT I'M, I'M ASKING FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
OPEN THE GATE BACK THERE AND MAKE IT TO BE FREE FOR ALL TRADITIONAL OR LEAVE IT GATE CLOSED.
AND YOU CAN ONLY REALLY MAKE A RIGHT TURN TO GO DOWN THE GATED THE GATE, THE, OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE GATED PORTION WAS NOT EXAMINED IN THIS, SO, OKAY.
BUT I SEE WHERE YOU'RE, THE ARROW IS TO GO LEFT AND THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK IN THAT IT'S, THAT, THAT'S JUST REPRESENTING MOVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED FROM THAT STREET.
THIS, THIS HAD NO PLANS ON IMPROVING THOSE STREETS AS PART OF THIS COST ANYWAYS.
COULD YOU PULL UP TWO A TWO A? YES.
OR DO YOU LIKE THE WAYNE TOWN? WHICH, WHICH ONE ARE WE LOOKING FOR? UH, TWO A.
OKAY, SO TWO A IS THE ONE-WAY MERRILY.
SO TO RICHARD'S QUESTION AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC ON OLD TROY PIKE, THAT'S A DECENT APPROACH THAT UM, YES.
I MEAN IF, IF WE'RE TALKING OLD TROY.
UH, SPECIFICALLY THIS IS HELPFUL TO OLD TROY, AND I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE'S OBSTACLES OR CHALLENGES, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHAT ARE THOSE? THOSE ARE THE EXCLUDING MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH.
VERY RARELY DID WE HAVE MONEY AS OUR OBSTACLE OTHER THAN THE WILDCAT BEING THE COST PROHIBITIVE ONE.
UM, LET'S SEE, TWO A, AND THAT'S A SCREEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
SO TWO A, UM, I MEAN THE CHALLENGES ARE, UH, THE FORCING OF THE VOLUMES THROUGH MOUNT HOOD.
UM, AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? BECAUSE OF THE WAY WELL, IT'S ONE WAY.
SO EVERYONE LEAVING, ANYONE GOING TO MERLY WAY TO ANY BUSINESS, MCDONALD'S, THE CAR WASH, ARBY'S, THEY WILL BE FORCED TO GO TO MOUNT HOOD, DOWN TO TAYLORSVILLE AND BACK TO GET TO OLD TROY.
WELL, THEY CAN'T GET ONTO, UH, TO FROM THERE.
AND MIKE, DID YOU SAY THAT YOU'D HAVE TO WIDEN, UH, TAYLORSVILLE AT OLD TROY THERE TOO, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND SO, SO THAT ADDED VOLUME, BUT THERE'S NO ROOM THERE FOR ONE THING.
AND, AND SHEETS IS WHERE I WAS GONNA FOCUS MY ATTENTION.
SAYING YOU GOT TWO LANES IN THERE.
SO IT'S NOT AN OPTION, RUSS, BECAUSE SHEETS IS THERE.
WELL, TO, TO WIDEN THAT MORE YOU'RE, I, YOU'D BE GETTING OUTTA THE RIGHT WAY AND YOU'RE BE GOING RIGHT TO THEIR PARKING LOT, RIGHT? SO IT COULD MAYBE, OR YOU'RE PUSHING THE WHOLE ROAD SOUTH, BUT THEN THAT'S OTHER CHALLENGES.
ONCE AGAIN, WITH MONEY, EVERYTHING CAN PROBABLY BE DONE.
IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S WOULD BE PRETTY TOUGH TO DO.
AND IS THERE ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAN TO MAKE THAT WIDER, TO MAKE TAYLORSVILLE VERSUS WIDENING IT AT TAYLORSVILLE? IS THERE ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES? UH, NO.
NOT TO, NOT TO HANDLE THE MOVEMENT.
THAT, THAT BECOMES THE PROBLEMATIC MOVEMENT WITH THIS OPTION.
OPEN THE GATE AND WANTED TO GO LEFT.
SO THE OPTION REALLY ISN'T AN OPTION, RIGHT? IT'S NOT AN OPTION, DON.
UM, IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE TWO-WAY CONNECTION TO MOUNT HOOD.
AND, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THAT COULD ACTUALLY EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM AT MERRILY WAY AND OLD TROY PIKE BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD U THE RESIDENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD USE THAT AS THEIR CORRECT, UH, QUICKEST OPTION.
DOES THAT STILL HOLD TRUE? YEAH.
AND THAT'S OUR CONCERN WITH THAT CONNECTION.
UHHUH
UM, UM, MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, YOU MENTIONED TECHNOLOGY.
IS THERE ANY CURRENT AVAILABLE, UH, UH, TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES, UH, OR EQUIPMENT THAT THE CITY COULD THROW AT THIS THAT MIGHT EXPEDITE, UM, THE BETTER TRAFFIC FLOW? IS THERE STUFF AVAILABLE NOW? YES.
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YEAH.SO ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS THE SIGNAL SYSTEM UPDATES.
UH, THE CITY HAS A GREAT COMMUNICATION BACKBONE.
UM, IT HAS A SIGNAL SYSTEM PROGRAM THAT IS JUST AGING, UM, AND DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES THAT THE NEW ONES DO THAT WOULD HELP ENGINEERING STAFF HELP THE CITY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE STREET, UM, TO BE MORE PROACTIVE AND A LITTLE LESS REACTIVE.
UM, SO WE'VE ALREADY TALKED BRIEFLY WITH RUSS AND BRIAN, AND WE'RE GONNA COME IN AND SHARE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT TO SEE IF THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE CITY TO MOVE FORWARD.
IT'LL JUST, IF WE CAN HAVE THAT SIGNAL SYSTEM OPERATING AS IT SHOULD MORE OFTEN, UH, LESS DOWNTIME IS, IS IS BETTER.
AND, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SYSTEM IS MUCH MORE ROBUST AS FAR AS, UM, IMMEDIATELY ANALYZING THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ON OLD TROY MERRILY THE OFF RAMP.
YOU GET A LOT MORE OPTIONS, YOU GET A LOT MORE FEEDBACK FROM THE SYSTEM THAN THE CURRENT ONE CAN DO.
UH, RIGHT ALONG WITH THAT, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE SYSTEM IS CALLED, BUT WHEN THE FIRE TRUCK COMES ROLLING THROUGH YEAH.
UM, IT'S BEEN NOTED THAT THAT FREQUENTLY DISRUPTS THE SIGNAL PATTERN AND THAT CONTINUES FOR A NUMBER OF CYCLES AFTERWARDS.
UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT? YEAH.
SO, UM, AS, AS WE WOULD LIKE, WHEN, UH, WHEN AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE COMES THROUGH, IT'S GIVEN THE GREEN AND IT, IT DOES NOT CARE WHERE THE SIGNAL IS IN ITS CYCLE.
IT, IT INTERRUPTS IT AND GIVES IT THE GREEN LIGHT PROBLEM IS THIS GETS THE SIGNAL OUT OF COORDINATION WITH THE OTHERS, UH, AND REQUIRES IT TO GET BACK INTO COORDINATION.
AND THERE'S DIFFERENT SETTINGS IN THE CONTROLLERS, UH, WHICH IS ONE THING WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS ENSURING WE HAVE THE MOST EFFICIENT SETTING IN THERE TO GET IT BACK INTO COORDINATION SOONER.
BUT THERE'S JUST DIFFERENT METHODS FOR IT TO ADD TRA ADD TIME TO THE CYCLE A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME TO GET BACK.
BUT IT COULD TAKE MULTIPLE CYCLES.
AND OUR CYCLE LENGTH OUT THERE IS TWO MINUTES MAYBE.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE CYCLES WE'RE 10 MINUTES IN AND WHO KNOWS, THEN WE MIGHT GET ANOTHER PREEMPTION RUN.
UM, SO IF WE JUST WANNA GET IT BACK INTO, UH, COORDINATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE IT RUN HOW WE WANT IT TO RUN.
BUT, BUT IT'S, IT, THAT'S JUST A, AGAIN, A TRADE OFF OF THE ENHANCED EMERGENCY RESPONSE IS THERE ARE GONNA BE TIMES WHEN THE SYSTEM IS IMPACTED.
I READ A REPORT WHERE, UM, UM, COMMUNITIES, UH, SOME MUCH LARGER THAN OURS HAVE, UH, STAYED AWAY FROM THAT SYSTEM ONLY BECAUSE OF THE DISRUPTION IN TRAFFIC FLOW.
THAT, UH, THEY FOUND IT SAFER TO, UM, PASS THROUGH AN INTERSECTION IN THE OLD FASHIONED LIGHTS AND SIRENS AWAY.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY THAT HAVE GONE AWAY FROM IT ONCE THEY'VE HAD IT, BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT, IT ISN'T, ISN'T A THING.
I, THERE DEFINITELY ARE COMMUNITIES OUT THERE THAT DO NOT DO IT PURPOSELY.
AND SO FINALLY THEN, UH, KIND OF SUM IT UP, BE MONEY WELL SPENT TO, UH, THROW OUR DOLLARS AT TECHNOLOGY FIRST.
UM, UH, MUCH BETTER COST BENEFIT FOR THAT.
UM, IN TERMS OF COMPARISON OF THE TWO, IT'S PENNY'S TO DOLLARS.
UH, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHEN WE MIGHT SEE SOME OPTIONS PRESENTED TO US ON THOSE TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES? SO IF, UM, WE HAD NOT OTHERWISE BEEN COMPROMISED BY OUR FRIENDS FROM THE EAST, RIGHT.
UM, WE HAD ALREADY INCLUDED FUNDS WITHIN THE 2024 BUDGET TO PROVIDE, UH, FOR MONITORING SERVICES OF THE SIGNALS.
UM, SO IF YOU'LL RECALL, WE HAD BROUGHT TIMING, I THINK BACK INTO LINE, UH, JUST PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION COMMENCING, AND TRAFFIC SEEMED TO BE FLOWING THROUGH THE AREA, UM, IN A MUCH BETTER AND MORE EFFICIENT WAY.
AND SO, UM, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO ENGAGE, UH, WITH TEC WOULD PROVIDE FOR 24 HOUR MONITORING AND THEN WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DISPATCH, UM, UM, A VENDOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE LIGHTS ARE TIMED AS SOON AS WE NOTICED THAT THEY COME OUT OF TIMING RATHER THAN WAITING FOR THE, UM, UM, FOR THE, THE TIMING TO COME SO FAR OUT OF ALIGNMENT THAT WE HAVE THESE MAJOR BACKUPS OR THESE MAJOR ISSUES, AND THEN COUNCIL'S HEARING ABOUT THEM AND EMAILS OR FACEBOOK POSTS, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
SO, UM, WE'VE TRIED TO INCLUDE THAT TECHNOLOGY ALREADY, UM, AS WE MOVE AHEAD, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT
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WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE SAME PROBLEMS WE'VE BEEN FACING THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS OR EVEN YEARS.I CAN ASSURE YOU NO ONE IN THIS CITY WANTS TO SEE THIS RESOLVED QUICKER OR FASTER OR MORE THAN ME.
UM, SO ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT'S GONNA MAKE THIS BETTER? YEAH.
WHETHER IT'S TECHNOLOGY, WHETHER IT'S CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER IT'S, WHATEVER THE CASE IS.
AND I'M GONNA SEE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS STAY THE COURSE.
I MEAN, I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION, I MEAN, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S A, I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING BE HONEST HERE, THAT'S A LITTLE HARD FOR ME TO SWALLOW AFTER ALL OF THE CRAP WE'VE BEEN THROUGH HERE REGARDING THIS STUFF TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SPENT X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS ON A STUDY AND IT'S BEEN EIGHT MONTHS WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THE RESULTS, AND WE'VE HEARD, HEY, KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
THAT'S A HARD PILL FOR ME TO SWALLOW.
BUT, UM, IF THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION, IF THAT'S WHAT THE DATA SHOWS, IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS, IT'S WHAT IT'S, BUT IF WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY BEING AN ADDITIONAL FIX ON TOP OF THE, THE WIDENING OF THE NORTHBOUND LANES, IF THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
MAYOR, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO DO THE TECHNOLOGY UPDATE, UPGRADE NEW, NEW PROGRAMMING? IT C IT CAN BE RELATIVELY QUICK.
UM, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK MORE INTO WHAT EXACTLY WE WANT TO DO, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING YEARS.
UH, AND THE ESTIMATED COST, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? UM, YEAH, AGAIN, IT, IT, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO GO TO TELL YOU WHAT, THAT IT'S COULD GENERAL GENERALLY TO BRIAN OR RUSTY SYSTEMS BACK TO THEM.
WE HAD BUDGETED 200,000 FOR NEXT YEAR YEAH.
AND YOU USE ALL $200,000, IS THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S YOU EVERY YEAR THAT MUCH, OR IF IT'S ONCE IT'S, I DON'T KNOW.
IT, IT, THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT WE STILL NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THEM ON HOW THE PURCHASING WOULD GO.
THE CITY CAN HOST AND OWN THE SYSTEM ON THEIR OWN.
SO IT CAN BE THE BIG UPFRONT COST AT THE START OR HOSTED REMOTELY, UH, AND THEN A MONTHLY FEE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
SO THE 200,000, I THINK WAS FOR THE, IF WE'RE GONNA HOST IT YOURSELVES, UM, AND THAT WOULD BE THE UPFRONT, BUT THAT 200,000 CAN EASILY BE SPREAD ACROSS MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE YEARS, UM, OF THE SERVICE.
RICHARD HAS HAND WELL, I WANNA FINISH MY POINT.
SO IF WE COULD GET A TIME AND COST BID FOR THE TECHNOLOGY PIECE, AND MAYBE THAT'D BE OUR OTHER OPTION THAT WE COULD LOOK AT.
AND COME BACK AND LOOK AT THIS AGAIN.
OR RU COULD EMAIL THIS, I THINK.
YEAH, WE WERE, WE WERE IN LINE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
UM, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE ON THE TABLE TO HAVE.
I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT.
UM, LIKE YOURSELF, THIS IS KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO STOMACH, UH, UH, THE, THE TIME AND EFFORT, UH, THAT WE'VE WENT INTO THIS AND NO REAL OPTIONS TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, I THINK A MAJORITY OF US, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND HAD ALWAYS AT ONE POINT IN TIME OR ANOTHER, CONSIDERED THE MOUNTAIN HOOD CONNECTION AS A FEASIBLE OPTION.
UM, A WE, WE, WE ALL, YOU KNOW, LIVE HERE, B UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERY ONE OF US HAS HAD A MULTITUDE OF RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS IN THIS AREA AND, AND ABROAD, UM, HAVE THIS CONVERSATION REGARDING TRAFFIC.
AND TO SIT HERE AND SAY THAT ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO IS CONTINUE THIS WIDENING PROJECT AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GET A, UH, A VENDOR ON BOARD TO LOOK AT OUR TIMING, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFICULT PIECE FOR ME.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE, RIGHT? UM, SO I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS.
UM, WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON, UM, AND, AND MAYBE IT'S WITH THE TECHNOLOGY PIECE, BUT WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE AS A CITY NEED TO CONTINUE TO ANALYZE THIS PARTICULAR AREA? 'CAUSE AS YOU'VE NOTED, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON THERE.
HOUSING, BUSINESS, UM, TIME OF YEAR, POST COVID, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE, THERE'S SO MANY DARN PARAMETERS THAT AIN'T EVEN FUNNY.
UM, BUT IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, UM, WHEN DO WE NEED TO REVISIT THIS? WHEN DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS DATA AGAIN? AND DOES THAT TECHNOLOGY PIECE ENABLE US TO DO THAT? THE TECHNOLOGY PIECE IS INDEPENDENT.
SO THAT IS SIGNAL SYSTEM OPERATIONS ONLY.
WELL, I, I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT, OR WE HEARD MONITORING OF 24 7, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A, AN INCORPORATED PIECE, RIGHT? YEAH, NO, IT'D BE, THE MONITORING WOULD BE RELATED TO THE OPERATION OF THE SYSTEM.
AND NOT HOW IT'S PERFORMING NECESSARILY.
UM, BUT YEAH, REALLY THIS SHOULD BE, OR AT LEAST THE DATA YOU HAVE, SHOULD KIND OF BE A LIVING
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DOCUMENT.SO MEANING AS BIGGER DEVELOPMENTS OCCUR THAT ARE IMPACTING THIS AREA, IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT.
UH, SO FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS DATA HAD BUILT INTO THE MODEL, I'M GOING TO ASSUME, UH, HUBBERT COMMONS AND, AND THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE.
BUT THAT DATA IS ONLY AS GOOD AS DATA.
ONCE ALL OF THESE THINGS OPEN UP AND WE GET PEOPLE MOVING THROUGH THERE.
NOW THAT'S REAL INFORMATION, RIGHT? SO WOULD, SO THAT WOULD BE A LOGICAL TIMEFRAME IS ONCE WE HAVE HUBER HEIGHTS COMMONS ONBOARD AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER CAPACITY WE WOULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A STABLE CAPACITY, THEN NEW COUNTS WOULD BE GREAT.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC INDUSTRY, WE LOVE COUNTS, WE LOVE DATA
UM, I MEAN, WE'RE ALL, OUR STUFF IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE DATA WE HAVE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY ON STUDIES, WE, YOU COULD CARRY A DATA SET FOR THREE YEARS IS KIND OF THE NORM.
AND ANYTHING AFTER THREE YEARS, YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO GET NEW COUNTS.
UM, BUT HERE, SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE HAVE A BIG DEVELOPMENT COMING ONLINE, WE HAVE OUR GENERATION THAT WE DID.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S REALITY TRUMPS UH, GENERATION ESTIMATES.
SO ONCE THAT COMES ONLINE, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO AT LEAST GET NEW COUNTS.
YOU COULD COMPARE 'EM TO WHAT OUR ESTIMATES WERE AND SEE IF WE'RE WAY OFF THE, THEN IT MAY BE TIME TO TAKE ANOTHER RUN AT LOOKING WHAT OUR CAPACITY, FUTURE CAPACITY IS GONNA BE.
AND MY LAST QUESTION, MAYOR, ON, ON, UM, ON THIS, UH, SUBJECT, SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT ARE ALTERNATIVES THAT I THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSED.
AND I KNOW STAFF HAS MENTIONED, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MOUNTAIN HOOD, THE, THE WIDENING, THE, THE DECKING ON, ON THE ODOT BRIDGE.
WHAT ABOUT THE OUTSIDE THE BOX IDEAS THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT? UH, AS THE MAYOR STATED, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOKED AT, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF MERRILEE WAY, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE, YOU KNOW, ADDING AN ADDITIONAL ROAD THERE NEXT TO THE HOTEL, MAYBE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO LANES, BUT MAYBE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR ONE LANE.
UM, IS, IS THAT OUTSIDE THE BOX THINKING STRATEGY? SOMETHING THAT YOU AND BRIAN AND RUSS COULD SIT DOWN AND MAYBE COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN, LET'S SAY TWO, THREE MONTHS OR WHATEVER, AND PROVIDE US THE OUTSIDE THE BOX IDEAS, UH, THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING? WHERE CAN WE SQUEEZE A ONE LANE ROAD? UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DIFFERENT SIGNALS MARKING THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN DO IN, IN COMBINATION WITH TECHNOLOGY THAT'S NOT GOING TO NET US, YOU KNOW, $8 MILLION.
UM, YES, THERE MAY BE A COST, BUT YOU KNOW, HEY, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THIS.
MAYBE WE CAN TALK TO THIS BUSINESS OWNER, THIS HOMEOWNER, WHATEVER, THE CA YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S A POSSIBILITY? I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT WHATEVER YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT.
WE, WE WANT, WE WANT TO HELP MAKE SOLUTIONS HERE.
AND I I THINK, BRIAN, YOU MENTIONED THAT, JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, JUST GIVE US THE DIRECTION AND LET'S LOOK AT IT.
BUT, UH, I KNOW YOU HAVE A THOUGHT IN YOUR HEAD.
YEAH, I, I, I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THE STAFF'S ISSUE IS WHAT'S THE ACCEPTABLE THRESHOLD? UH, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES COUNCIL CONSIDER A REASONABLE EXPENSE? I MEAN, OUT OF THE BOX THINKING CAN SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS, BUT THERE'S THE FINANCE BEHIND THAT.
SO IF WE HAD AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT COUNCIL WOULD BE WILLING TO COMMIT TO CONTINUE FURTHER IMPROVEMENT OF THE INTERSECTION OF MERRILEE WAY AND OLD TROY PIKE, THAT WOULD ALLOW THE, THE PUBLIC SERVICES DIVISION TO BE ABLE TO CLARIFY INTERNALLY WHAT ARE VIABLE OPTIONS TO BRING FORWARD TO COUNCIL AND, AND WHAT ARE NOT.
SO IF $11 MILLION TO EXPAND THE BRIDGE IS WELL WITHIN THE WHEELHOUSE, WELL THEN WE KNOW THAT IF 5 MILLION IS A NUMBER THAT COUNCIL'S COMFORTABLE WITH, WELL THEN WE KNOW THAT.
AND THEN WE CAN BRING YOU BACK PRACTICAL OR, UM, CONVENTIONAL AND OUT OF THE BOX SUGGESTIONS, KNOWING THAT, THAT THERE'S A FINANCIAL THRESHOLD THAT, THAT CAREFUL IS, IS WILLING TO COMMIT ON THIS MARK.
SIR, HOW MUCH EXPERIENCE DO YOU HAVE WITH TRAFFIC STUDIES IN STACKING AS IT MIGHT RELATE TO A CAR WASH AS IT MIGHT TO A, TO A CAR WASH? MM-HMM.
UM, WE'VE DONE SOME IMPACT STUDIES FOR CAR WASHES.
UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE KIND OF A BIG THING RIGHT NOW.
SO, I MEAN, WE HAVE EXPERIENCE, UH, STUDYING THEM.
UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD, WE HAVEN'T HAD SPECIFIC ONES WHERE WE'RE ASKED TO GO LOOK AT WHAT THEIR QUEUING IS.
UH, I HAVE A FLYING ACE THAT I LOOK OUTTA MY WINDOW AT WORK AT.
AND SO I CAN SEE WHAT IT'S DOING EVERY DAY.
DO THEY HAVE ADEQUATE STACKING? THEY DO NOT ON SITE.
SO THAT BACKS UP THE TRAFFIC AND CREATES A SAFETY ISSUE.
IN YOU'RE STUDYING ALL OF THIS, HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT AT OUR FLYING ACES ON MERRILY WAY? NO, I, I HAVE PERSONALLY NOT NOTICED IT, BUT I'VE HEARD
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OF TIMES WHEN IT HAPPENS.AND I MEAN, IT, IT'S AFTER THOSE BIG SNOW EVENTS WHEN THERE, THEY JUST OVERWHELM WHAT THEY'RE MEANT FOR ON THEIR DAILY BASIS.
ANYBODY IN THE ROOM NOTICE THAT WHEN IT ISN'T SNOWING, THAT IT BACKS UP TRAFFIC AND IT CAUSES A SAFETY CONCERN? YES.
SO HOW MUCH EXPERIENCE DO YOU HAVE? LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A BUSINESS ON OLD ULTRA PIKE, BUT IT'S AFFECTING THE TRAFFIC ON TAYLORSVILLE AND WE NEED TO WIDEN TAYLORSVILLE.
CAN WE ASSESS THAT BUSINESS ON TREY PIKE BECAUSE THEY'RE CAUSING THAT? THAT IS OUTTA MY DEPTH OF EXPERIENCE.
DAVE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD GET BACK WITH US ON? YEAH.
BECAUSE THE BEST I REMEMBER DAN, UH, DAN BARRY AND SHOWCASE CINEMA HELPED PAY FOR THE WIDENING ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
AND IT WAS ONE OF OUR FIRST PROJECTS THAT WE TESTED TO SEE IF WE COULD ASSESS BUSINESSES THAT DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE FRONTAGE ON THE ROAD THAT WAS BEING IMPROVED.
AND I THINK IT'S A COMMON THING.
SO I THINK SOME OF IT IS GOING TO DEPEND, I MEAN, JUST BASED UPON DEVELOPMENT ASPECTS, SOME OF IT DEPENDS ON THE TIMING.
SO IF YOU COME IN WITH A, WITH A NEW PROJECT AND THAT PROJECT DOES A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, AND IT SAYS, HEY, OUR USE AT THIS INTERSECTION IS GONNA TAKE IT, AND I MAY QUOTE ME HERE IF I'M INCORRECT, BUT, OR FIX ME IF I'M INCORRECT, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE IT FROM A LEVEL OF SERVICE B TO A LEVEL OF SERVICE D RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'RE STANDARDS OF LEVEL OF SERVICE, THEN THE COST OR A PORTION OF THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENT TO BRING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE UP CAN BE TAXED UPON FOR LACK OF A, BUT NOT TAXED IS THE WRONG WORD.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT, IT IS A TAX INCURRED INCURRED BY THE DEVELOPER IF IT'S, IF IT IS SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT, RIGHT? WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE, UH, VERTICALS UP AND IT'S JUST YOU'RE SWAPPING OUT A BARBER SHOP FOR A HAMBURGER STORE, OR PROBABLY A HAMBURGER STORE FOR A BARBER SHOP, WHERE THE TRAFFIC VOLUME MAY BE DIFFERENT, BUT THAT USE IS A PERMITTED USE.
I, I THINK IT'S A HARDER SELL, BUT THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT I'LL LOOK INTO FOR YOU.
AND IS THERE ANYONE HERE TONIGHT THAT KNOWS OF A BUSINESS THAT, UH, MAYBE CREATED A SAFETY ISSUE IN SOME STATE IN AMERICA AND HAD TO BE CLOSED DOWN OR REMODELED OR, OR REDONE BECAUSE IT WAS BACKING UP ONTO THE STREET? YES, I LOOKED INTO THAT.
AND I THINK THERE WAS A CHICK-FIL-A IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT THEY, I, I THINK IT WAS NORTH CAROLINA, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
IT WAS, AND THE CITY ACTUALLY FORCED THEM TO SHUT DOWN AND REDO EVERYTHING.
AND I BELIEVE ASSESSED WAS PART OF THAT COST.
SO, SO DAVE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD ALSO GET BACK WITH US ON? YEAH, WE RESEARCH, ACTUALLY, WE DID SOME PRELIMINARY RESEARCH ON THIS, UH, A WHILE AGO.
AND WITH THE, WITH THE SPECIFIC CHICK-FIL-A SITUATION, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE STORE WAS ACTUALLY, UM, CLOSED PER SE, BUT I THINK WHAT THEY ULTIMATELY ENDED UP DOING IS THEY ENDED UP RECONFIGURING THE SITE FOR, UM, 'CAUSE WE WERE ACTUALLY TRACKING THIS THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND STUFF.
UM, I THINK ULTIMATELY WHAT THEY DID IS THEY CONVERTED IT, UM, MORE TO A CARE, I'M SORRY, MORE TO A IN-STORE AS OPPOSED TO CARRY OUT.
BUT WHAT THEY ENDED UP DOING IS THEY RECONFIGURED THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT.
SO THAT HAD SORT OF THE, UM, THE CATTLE STACKING, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH LIKE THIS.
SO, SO WOULD HE BE REFERRING TO STACKING LIKE THE ONSITE ON SITE STACK, LIKE THE CAR WASH BUSINESS DOES? BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUS THE FLYING ACES ON MERRILEE WAY IS NOT BUILT BIG ENOUGH TO STACK PROPERLY AND IT'S BACKING OUT ONTO MERRILEE WAY.
AND, AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUTSIDE THE BOX.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OUTSIDE THE BOX.
THEY'RE CREATING A TREMENDOUS PROBLEM FOR THAT INTERSECTION.
UH, I I MEAN, IF THEY BACK UP ONTO MERRILEE AND THAT BACKS UP TO, I WOULD, I WOULD YOU STUDIED THIS, CORRECT? YEAH, I WOULD AGREE.
ARE THEY CREATING A HAZARD? UH, ANY BACKUP FROM MERRILEE, UH, WOULD IMPACT THE THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER.
THE OLD TROY'S, ARE THEY CREATING A BACKUP? UM, YEAH.
IN THEIR BUSY TIMES WHEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT CONTAINED ON THEIR SITE, THE BACKUP WOULD BE CREATED.
YOU'RE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
WE HIRED YOU, WE HAVE A BUSINESS ON MERRILEE WAY THAT IS STACKING DUE TO THE FACT THEY DON'T, THEY LACK STACKING CAPACITY ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S CREATING A SAFETY ISSUE, CORRECT? YES.
ANY BACKUP OUT ONTO OLD TROY? RICK, YOU'RE THE PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR.
AND I TRY TO REMEDY THIS AND, AND I'VE HEARD THEY'RE BUILDING A SECOND ONE AND THAT'S GONNA ALLEVIATE IT.
THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN STACKING PROBLEM.
WOULDN'T WE BE SHOCKED IF IT JUST CREATED A SECOND PROBLEM? IF YOU GO TO JUST ABOUT ANY OF THEIR LOCATIONS, THEY HAVE A STACKING PROBLEM.
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AND I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.YEAH, NO, BUT WE ARE TALKING TRAFFIC, RIGHT? AND YOU HAVEN'T COME UP WITH ANY SOLUTION OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BUILT IN.
'CAUSE YOUR TECHNOLOGY SOLUTION IS GONNA MAYBE GAIN US A 10TH OF A SECOND, MAYBE OR SO.
UM, BUT WE, WE HAVE A MAJOR ISSUE AT MELEE WAY AND TROY PIKE.
NOW, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO WAYNE TOWN AND OLD TROY PIKE AND WHAT WE COULD DO THERE, LIKE SHUT IT OFF, CLOSE IT OFF, AND THEN IF WE LOOKED AT THE SHOPPING CENTER, WE'RE STILL ALLOWED TO BUILD ROADS, RIGHT? BRIAN TAKE LAND AND BUILD ROADS.
WE HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER IN WAYNE TOWN THAT WOULD GO TO THAT INTERSECTION ACROSS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE SHEETS IS LOCATED AND CURB CUTS, YOU KNOW, A, A COMMUNITY AS A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
CITIES WANT LESS CURB CUTS, NOT MORE.
SO COULD, COULD, COULD WE ELIMINATE A CURB CUT AND COULD WE START TO CHANNEL THE TRAFFIC THROUGH? AND I DON'T MEAN THROUGH A PARKING LOT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING OF A ROAD AND, AND MAYBE UTILIZE THAT NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE SOUTHBOUND LANE CAPABILITY FROM THERE DOWN TO TAYLORSVILLE.
SO WE COULD PUT A DROP LANE IN THERE.
SO WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN THERE, OR BETTER QUESTION, COULD YOU, COULD YOU GET BACK WITH US ON THAT? A CLOSURE OF WAYNE TOWN? YEAH, I MEAN, WE COULD, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED.
UM, I MEAN, OPTION ONE, RICHARD, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS JUST ANY AVAILABLE OPTION? 'CAUSE WE HAVE ZERO OPTION TONIGHT.
'CAUSE I, I BELIEVE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IN THE OPTION THAT REALLY, UH, INTRIGUED YOURSELF AND, AND MYSELF, UM, WE LEARNED IS NOT EVEN AN OPTION NOW.
RIGHT? UM, SO YES, I DO BELIEVE SOME OUTSIDE THE BOX IDEAS AND, UH, WHETHER THAT'S A DROP LANE, WHETHER IT'S A ONE-WAY, WHETHER IT'S HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE BUSINESS LOOKING OUTSIDE AT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES OF, UH, SEVERAL OF THE BUSINESSES ALONG MARYLEE WAY AND WAYNE TOWN.
UM, THAT'S, IN MY OPINION, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE WAITING ON FOR THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING ANY ITEM I SUGGESTED, BUT I BELIEVE THE LAW SUPPORTS ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS AS A, AS A CITY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, BRIAN? I AGREE.
SO NO SOLUTION IS UNACCEPTABLE, MAYOR.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
I'M, I THINK I'VE SAID IT, IT'S A HARD PILL FOR ME TO SWALLOW.
I THINK RICHARD HAS SAID THAT, AND I'VE HEARD YOU SAY THAT.
I MEAN, I, WELL, I CAN'T SWALLOW IT.
I MEAN, THERE'S GOT, THERE'S THE, THE ONLY THING THAT GIVES ME ANY KIND OF HOPE HERE IS RELYING ON THE DATA THAT YOU PROVIDED.
AND THAT IS THAT YOU SAID M-V-R-P-C WE LOOKED AT 20 YEARS OUT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND THEN YOU ADDED ON TOP OF JUST THE, THE TYPICAL DATA OF 20 YEARS OUT FROM M-V-R-P-C TO WHAT PROJECTS WE KNOW WE CURRENTLY HAVE GOING ON.
SO THAT HAS BEEN ADDED ON TOP OF THE TRADITIONAL DATE OF 20 YEARS.
SO, UH, SO THAT IS, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF RELIEF, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY HAPPENING, AS YOU GUYS HAVE SAID.
BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING.
BUT I STILL THINK WE GOT, THERE'S, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME TYPE OF SOLUTION.
AND I KNOW THAT IT MIGHT BE TIGHT.
I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING I'M THINKING ABOUT WHEN I HEAR THAT'S TIGHT AROUND COMING AROUND SHEETS IS I'M THINKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BUILDING DOWN 2 0 1 IN FRONT OF CLOUD PARK.
I MEAN, THAT WAS, AT FIRST COULDN'T DO.
NOW WE HAVE A, A PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT IT CAN BE DONE.
SO, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED, AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF SAYING THAT ANYTHING IS NOT ABLE TO BE DONE AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT IT HARD ENOUGH, NOT FROM A, UH, A PHYSICAL PERSPECTIVE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU DIDN'T LOOK AT IT HARD ENOUGH.
I'M SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AND DIG DEEP AND FIND OUT, FIND OUT WHAT THAT IS.
I, I MEAN, THERE, THERE, THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
AND WE JUST HAVE TO, TO REALLY LOOK AT 'EM.
GLEN, I'M GONNA TAKE A DIFFERENT T HERE'S WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT IS WE'VE MADE SOME GOOD CHANGES WITH SOME LANE ADDITIONS, SOME TURN LANE ADDITIONS, SOME WIDENING.
UM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE TRUCKS AND CONES AND CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AND ALL KINDS OF CRAP UP THERE THAT'S IN EVERYBODY'S WAY.
BUT WE'VE MADE SOME GOOD CHANGES.
WE ALL JUST NEED TO SIT BACK AND, AND LET THEM HAPPEN AT FIRST, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND SEE WHAT WE GET FROM THAT.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THAT'S GONNA CORRECT.
A LOT OF OUR ISSUES AND WE'RE TRYING TO SPEND MORE MONEY WHEN WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO YET.
THAT'S WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE, ARE POINTING TOWARD.
THAT'S, WE, WE HAVE A NEW PROJECT THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ITS EFFECT YET.
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THINK YEAH, I AGREE.I THINK, UH, LETTING THIS SETTLE DOWN, LET THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT COMPLETE ITSELF AND THEN REASSESS IT TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT, MIGHT BE THE BEST ANGLE TO GO, RATHER THAN SPENDING, WE'RE TWO AND A HALF HOURS INTO A MEETING HERE AND, UH, WE'RE DISCUSSING WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO NEXT WHEN WE HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED THE CURRENT PROJECT.
WE CAN CR FINISH THE CURRENT PROJECT AND WE STILL HAVE A STACKING ISSUE AT ONE OF OUR BUSINESSES, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND ANOTHER EIGHT MONTHS NOT DOING ANYTHING, FINISHING THE PROJECT AND STILL HAVE A STACKING ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS A COMMUNITY THAT IS AFFECTING OUR RESIDENTS.
AND RICK, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU ROLL YOUR SLEEVES UP, YOU WORK WITH WHOEVER AND YOU COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE.
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE NEXT TIME.
[ Commercial Trucking Discussion]
D COMMERCIAL TRUCKING DISCUSSION.SORRY, I'VE TAKEN A NOTE HERE.
UM, SO, UH, IN YOUR PACKET, I PROVIDED YOU A, UH, MEMO THAT TRY TO OUTLINE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SHAW'S QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE REGULATIONS, UH, SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL TRUCKING IN HUBER, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS REALLY, REALLY IS.
SO I BROKE, UH, BROKE THE DISCUSSION DOWN INTO THREE TYPES OF, OF, UH, SORT OF TRUCKING, UH, SITUATIONS, TRANSIENT TRUCKS AND DRIVERS.
BASICALLY THEY'RE PASSING THROUGH TOWN, MAKING DELIVERIES AND MOVING ON, UH, LOCAL FLEETS OR FREIGHT TERMINALS.
AND THEN, UH, INDEPENDENT, UH, OWNER OPERATORS THAT ARE LOCALLY OWNED.
UM, SO AS FAR AS OVERNIGHTS, UM, RESTING AND TRUCK STOPS, UM, WE DO HAVE THE PROVISION FOR ESSENTIALLY SMALL, UM, FACILITIES AS YOU KNOW.
UM, SO FOR TRANSIENT TRUCK DRIVERS, YOU KNOW, SEMIS CAN STAY AT HOTELS OR RESTAURANTS IF THEY'RE, UH, ACTION, UM, DEDICATED SPOTS FOR SEMI TRUCKS.
UH, BUT WE, BUT WE LIMITED TO 10, UM, PARKING SPACES.
UM, NOW THAT HAS CHANGED, UH, OCCASIONALLY, UM, BY THIS BODY WHEN WE'VE DONE, UM, REZONINGS TO PLAN INDUSTRIAL OR PLAN COMMERCIAL THROUGH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, THAT THIS BODY DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO INCREASE THAT, THAT, UM, AMOUNT.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS WE, WHEN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT LOCAL OWNERS AND OPERATORS, WHICH IS WHERE I THINK THIS THIS REALLY CAME UP.
UM, THEY'RE LIMITED TO EITHER OWNING ESSENTIALLY A, A, A FREIGHT TERMINAL OR A, A DISTRIBUTION FACILITY IN I ONE OR I TWO.
WE DON'T PERMIT JUST STANDALONE, UM, TRUCK LOTS EFFECTIVELY, UM, AND OR TRAILER LOTS.
THOSE ARE ON, THOSE WOULD ONLY BE PERMITTED THROUGH A, UH, THE PLAN INDUSTRIAL.
UM, AND, AND THIS BODY HAS, HAS, YOU KNOW, TURNED DOWN THE LAST, UH, THE LAST ONE THAT WE WERE, THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
UM, AND IN ADDITION, OUR, OUR REGULATIONS PROHIBIT REALLY THE THE PARKING OF, OF OWNER OPERATORS, EITHER AS THE SEMI-TRACTOR OR OR TRAILER IN ANY RESIDENTIAL OR AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
SO THE, THE OPTIONS IF, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, I MEAN, WE, WE BASICALLY NEED TO, WOULD NEED TO LOOSEN UP OUR, OUR REGULATIONS SIGNIFICANTLY, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS THE DIRECTION THAT, THAT WE'VE, WE'VE HEADED IN THE PAST.
I MEAN, WE, FROM MY, FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD, UH, AND THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT A TRUCK STOP WHERE TARGET USED TO BE, UH, AND THERE WAS THE CODE WAS CHANGED TO NOT ALLOW THAT TO, TO BE BUILT IN THE FUTURE.
SO OUR CODE ABSENT OF A REZONING AND, AND UM, APPROVAL BY THIS BODY THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS WOULD NOT ALLOW THE TRADITIONAL LOVES OR, UM, OR OTHER LARGE, UM, FLEET OR, OR TRUCK STOP.
YES, RICHARD, THANK YOU, AARON.
I'M GONNA BE, UH, PRETTY DIRECT HERE FOR A MOMENT.
JUST AT THE SITUATION IN READING YOUR MEMO THAT HAD COME OUT, A LOT OF THE INFORMATION I HAD KNOWN, UM, I THINK JUST PROVIDES IN WRITING, IN MY OPINION, AND THE OPINION OF LOCAL OWNERS AND OPERATORS AND THOSE OF LARGE FLEET SITUATIONS, THE CITY'S CODE AND THE CITY'S MENTALITY HAS NOT BEEN VERY FRIENDLY TO THOSE OWNER OPERATORS AND THOSE LOCAL INDIVIDUALS WANTING TO LIVE AND DO BUSINESS HERE IN HUBERT.
AND, UH, AARON, IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT NARRATIVE IS EITHER LESSEN, UM, OR I'M SORRY, LOOSEN, UM, UH, THOSE CODES, UM, OR TO,
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UM, TO, TO REALLY LOOK INTO THAT OR, OR PRETTY MUCH JUST CHANGE THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING BUSINESS UNLESS YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT, UM, OPTION.SO, SO WE COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, OPEN UP OUR, OUR CODE A LITTLE BIT TO, TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE TO, YOU KNOW, TRAILER DROP LOTS OR, UM, OFFSITE, UM, STORAGE.
UM, OR, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COULD, COULD DEVELOP IT OURSELVES, UM, AND, AND DO A, AND, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY KIND OF RUN A FACILITY AND HAVE A BETTER, UM, CONTROL ON THE OPERATIONS OF THAT FACILITY THAN MAYBE, UM, WE, WE WERE CONCERNED WITH THE LAST, UH, APPLICANT THAT CAME THROUGH.
AARON, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW GREAT IT IS TO HEAR YOU SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MYSELF AND OTHER MEMBERS ON THIS COUNCIL HAVE BEEN ASKING AND SUGGESTING FOR YEARS IN CORRELATION WITH, UH, NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES AND CORRELATION OF THE TRUCKING, UM, UH, ASSOCIATION.
UM, AND I ENTRUSTED AND CHALLENGED MY COLLEAGUES WHEN IT WAS MY ASSUMPTION AND MY ASSUMPTION CAME TRUE THAT THE LATEST TRUCKING INSTITUTION, UH, WAS VOTED DOWN THAT WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, I'VE NOT HEARD ANY OPTIONS.
ALL I'VE HEARD IS CONFIRMATION THAT YES, OUR CODES AND OUR POSITION DOES NOT MAKE US VERY FRIENDLY TO THE TRUCKING COMMUNITY.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I KNOW I'M ON ON BOARD, UH, UH, OF, OF OPENING THINGS UP AND, AND LOOKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COMMERCIAL, UM, OR A MUNICIPAL LOT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PRIVATE LOTS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING THE CODE.
SHOOT, I THINK IT TOOK US SIX, SEVEN MONTHS JUST TO CHANGE THE CODE, JUST SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, FOLKS WHO OWN, UH, A LAWN CARE BUSINESS CAN PARK THEIR TRAILERS, UM, ON THEIR RESIDENCE OR GO SERVICE RESIDENTS, BECAUSE BEFORE, I THINK I'M GONNA SAY WE DID THAT IN 2019, IN 20 17, 20 18, AND BEFORE THAT, THAT WASN'T EVEN ALLOWED.
UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I, I KNOW I'M OPEN TO THAT.
I KNOW COUNCILMAN OTTO'S OPEN TO THAT.
UM, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS TO, TO STAFF AND THE ARREST OF COUNCIL AND, AND MAYOR, HOW DO WE MOVE THIS FORWARD? AARON IS, SO I'LL GO TO BRIAN AND AARON, I GUESS.
SO I KNOW THIS LAST, UM, ATTEMPT DIDN'T, DIDN'T PASS COUNSEL.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, I THINK A LARGE PART OF THAT PROCESS WAS LOCATION.
UM, I KNOW THERE WAS A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN, UH, INER POINT 70, BASICALLY WHERE IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL PARK.
THERE WAS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, LOOKING AT FOR OUR OWN PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY AT ONE TIME.
AND THEN FOR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL DIFFERENT FACTORS, WE DECIDED TO MOVE THAT AND LOOK AT A, AT ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO REENGAGE THIS LAST, UH, APPLICANT TO SEE ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY ON MAYBE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO DO ON 2 35 AT ARTS ROAD THERE AND ACTUALLY HAVE THEM IN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK.
SO THAT ISN'T THE ENTRANCE INTO THE, INTO THE CITY, THAT LOCATION.
IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S NOT AROUND OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS WHO DIDN'T WANT IT.
IT'S NOT AROUND, UH, SMALLER ROAD WHERE MAYBE TRAFFIC BACKS UP ONTO ARTS ROAD GOING, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK THERE, UH, AS INTO THAT OTHER, I MEAN, IT'S A, I I MEAN IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA BACK THERE, BUT IT'S VERY, IT'S NOT VERY DENSE, RIGHT? BUT, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME ALTERNATIVES THERE.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE LAYOUT OF THAT IS.
I KNOW THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY HAD SOME ISSUES WITH SOME, MAYBE IT WAS WETLAND IN THE FRONT.
WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO PUT A BRIDGE OVER TO SOMETHING TO GET BACK TO A REAL USABLE SPACE.
BUT THAT SPACE MAY NOT BE, UH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S WHAT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING IF IT'S IN AN ACTUAL INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT STILL SERVES THE PURPOSE.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD, UH, SEE IF THAT'S AN OPTION? IS COUNCIL AGAINST THAT, WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA? WE CAN CERTAINLY REENGAGE THEM.
UM, THE, THE REALTOR, UH, IS REPRESENTING THAT INDIVIDUAL.
'CAUSE HE IS, HE'S PUTTING THAT, THAT PROPERTY THAT WAS ON ARTS UP FOR SALE.
UM, SO WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT AND, AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IF THAT IS, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY, UM, WOULD, WOULD ENTERTAIN.
I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA DRAG 'EM THROUGH A, YOU KNOW, A NINE MONTH PROCESS.
AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOWHERE NEAR INTERESTED IN, IN THAT EITHER.
I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIND A, A SOLUTION THAT'S A COMPROMISE THAT MAKES SENSE.
THAT, THAT SITE HAS CHA IT'S BISECTED BY A STREAM AND THERE IS SOME WETLANDS ON, ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO INTERNALLY FIGURE OUT WHICH IS THE BEST, UM, PIECE AND THEN
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MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ONE THAT HAS THE KIND OF THE LEAST ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES.'CAUSE I KNOW WE LOOK, 'CAUSE WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR OUR OWN PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING BACK THERE.
I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY WOULD SEE IT BECAUSE IT WOULD NEED TO COME AS A, UM, PROBABLY AS A, UH, A PLANNED INDUSTRIAL, UM, DISTRICT BASED ON THE WAY THE CURRENT CODE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE EXCEPTIONS TO, UM, CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE CODE, WHICH CAN BE DONE THROUGH THE PLANNED PROCESS.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT I WOULD DESCRIBE THAT GOING THERE AS A, AS A TRUCK STOP, BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS PROPOSED BEFORE IN A PLACE THAT ISN'T AS CONTROVERSIAL AS WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY WANTED TO GO, BUT STILL SERVES THE SAME PURPOSE.
I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT UPSET ANYBODY? LYLE IS UNFOLD TODAY, A WOMAN HAS FOUND WITH TWO YOUNG CHILDREN WHO HAD BOTH BEEN STABBED.
SO LET'S RE LET'S REENGAGE, LET'S, LET'S SAY REENGAGE THEM AND FIND OUT IF, FIND OUT IF THAT MAKES SENSE OR IF THAT'S AN OPTION FOR THEM.
UH, MAYOR, YES, RICHARD, THANK YOU.
UH, I, I THINK THE, UH, LAW OF COUNSEL AND BURGE TOO, UH, UM, I, I THINK THE OTHER PART OF THAT, AND I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, US WORKING WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
I THINK THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH OUR CURRENT CODE? UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, IN MY OPINION, THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED EITHER BY THIS BODY OR BY PLANNING COMMISSION OR BY BOTH.
UM, AND I THINK WE NEED TO BRING IN SOME INDUSTRY EXPERTS, WHICH JUST SO HAPPENS WE HAVE ON CENTER POINT 70, UH, TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN BE MORE FRIENDLY.
AND WE HAVE LOTS OF OWNER OPERATORS THAT LIVE HERE IN THE CITY THAT FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO.
UM, I, I THINK THERE'S AVAILABILITY, UM, TO, TO RELAX OR TO CHANGE OR ALTER SOME OF THOSE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, I HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION.
UM, IF AN OWNER OPERATOR OR A CURRENT FLEET WITHIN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IS LOOKING TO FILL THEIR EQUIPMENT, THEIR RIG, WHERE ARE THEY ABLE TO LEGALLY GO AT IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS TO DO THAT? LET ME ANSWER THAT FOR YOU.
NOWHERE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY, I MEAN, I MEAN, YES, YOU CAN PULL INTO, UH, IF YOU HAVE A BOBTAIL, YOU CAN PULL INTO SPEEDWAY AND, AND, AND GET SOME DIESEL OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
BUT THAT'S NOT THEIR PRIMARY BUSINESS.
I MEAN, WE, WE JUST SIT HERE AND, AND PASSED A, A LARGE SCALED, UM, UM, BUCKY'S THAT IS OPENLY SAYING, WE'RE NOT TRUCKER FRIENDLY.
WELL, SPEEDWAY'S NOT OPEN TRUCKER FRIENDLY.
TRUCKER FRIENDLY SHEETS IS NOT OPEN TRUCKER FRIENDLY.
SO WHERE CAN THEY GET GAS? WHERE CAN THEY GET FUEL? NOW IF WE GO DOWN THE STREET HERE ON 75, WE DID NOT HAVE ONE, BUT TWO FUELING STATIONS, ONE OF 'EM, I WOULD CONSIDER A TRUCK STOP.
THE SECOND ONE I'M GONNA CONSIDER THAT A FUELING STATION FOLKS CAN GO IN, THEY CAN GET, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR FUEL, THEY CAN TAKE A SHOWER, THEY CAN GET A BITE TO EAT HOT CUP OF COFFEE.
AND AS AARON POINTED OUT, OUR CODES DON'T EVEN PRE, YOU KNOW, PRESENT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE ENTITIES TO EVEN LOOK HERE.
SO WHEN I, WHEN I CONTINUOUS TO SAY, AND, AND I KNOW, I KNOW IT SOUNDS HORRIBLE THAT WE ARE NOT TRUCKER FRIENDLY.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN THOSE ENTITIES ARE LOOKING TO EVOLVE HERE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE AIRPORT, I MEAN, THAT'S GROWING NOTHING BUT COMMERCIAL, UH, TRUCKING, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT CENTER POINT 70, THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON THAT AREA WAS BUILT OUT WAS FOR INDUSTRY.
BUT WE AS A CITY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO IMPROVE THEM OR TO HELP THEIR BUSINESS.
AND THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY IS THE BACKBONE OF THIS COUNTRY.
I MEAN, WE ARE RIGHT AT 70 AND 75.
WHY ARE WE NOT CAPITALIZING ON THAT? SO, SO IF I COULD, SO THE CODE DOESN'T PROHIBIT, UM, A FUELING STATION FOR THAT WOULD CATER TO SEMI TRUCKS, BUT IT DOES CERTAINLY LIMIT THE SIZE FOR ANY KIND OF OVERNIGHT PARKING.
SO, YOU KNOW, ECONOMICALLY IT MAY NOT BE AS ADVANTAGEOUS, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NECESSARILY PROHIBIT FUELING CENTERS FOR TRUCKS, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T ALLOW THE THE SCALE THAT YOU SEE, THE LOVES THE TRAVEL AMERICA, ALL THOSE OTHER LARGE HIGHWAY ORIENTED, UM, FUELING STATIONS.
AND THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S KINDA WHERE I'M GETTING AT.
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I, I DON'T, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S, IF IT'S READY FOR THAT, BUT I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I, YOU KNOW, MARK, THE MARKET IS THE MARKET AND THIS COUNCIL DID APPROVE, UH, A LARGE, FAIRLY LARGE SCALE TRUCKING FUELING STATION THAT WHERE BUCKY'S IS GOING NOW.BUT THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY DECIDED, HEY, I THINK I'D RATHER SELL TO BUCKY'S AND SELL TO WHOEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT WAS.
SO THAT PLAN WENT BY THE WAYSIDE.
SO I MEAN, THE MARKET, THE MARKET CONDITION IS WHAT THE MARKET CONDITION IS.
UM, BUT I THINK COUNCIL APPROVED A PLAN TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN THEN IT TO NO FAULT OF OUR OWN.
THAT DIDN'T, THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH OTHER THAN US APPROVING THE BUCKY'S THERE.
BUT THAT WAS A PRIVATE OWNER DECISION ON WHAT THEY DID WITH THAT ONE, WHAT THEY DID WITH THAT PROPERTY.
BUT I THINK, UH, TO, SO TO, YOU KNOW, TO START WITH RE-ENGAGING THAT OWNER, AND IF THAT OWNER SAYS, NO, WE DON'T WANT THAT, THAT'S, AND IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, RICHARD, YOUR SUGGESTION OF, UH, OF TALKING TO EXPERTS, AARON, YOU REVIEWING THAT CODE, YOU COMING BACK WITH, UH, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, WHAT YOU THINK MIGHT MAKE SENSE IN THE CODE VERSUS SOME, SOME AREAS THAT, THAT DO ALLOW IT.
UM, WHAT AREAS OR WHAT PIECES OF OUR CODE DON'T MAKE SENSE ARE OUTDATED.
UM, AND, AND WHAT WE COULD DO WITHOUT REALLY CHANGING THE, KINDA THE CULTURE AND THE, AND THE, AND THE INTENT BEHIND SOME OF WHAT OUR CODE IS, BUT WE'LL USE YOUR WORD AND, AND RICHARD'S WORD TO KINDA LESSEN THE, THE STRING OR THE STRINGENT NESS OF THOSE OF THOSE CODES.
BUT STARTING THE CONVERSATION OR RE-ENGAGING, UH, THAT THE OWNER THAT, THAT WE SAID NO TO FOR A DIFFERENT LOCATION THAT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
RICHARD, LAST POINT ON THIS MAYOR.
AND THEN, UH, I THINK, UH, MY COMMENTS WILL BE FINISHED.
I'M SEEING AN INCREASE IN, UM, ENFORCEMENT, UM, AND, UM, CITY INTERACTION WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE OWNER OPERATORS THAT ARE PARKING THEIR BOBTAIL RIGS IN DRIVEWAYS.
AND I'M NOT TALKING FOR WEEKS ON END.
I'M TALKING FOR A DAY, COUPLE HOURS.
YOU KNOW, HEY, I AM PARKING HERE JUST TO, YOU KNOW, CATCH IT, YOU KNOW, MY REQUIRED SLEEP AND I'M GOING OUT AND PICKING UP A TRAILER.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO CHANGE THAT? SO RICHARD, I THINK, WELL FIRST WE WOULD NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND, AND KNOW WHY THAT'S HAPPENING.
SO I THINK, UM, FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, DO WE HAVE OUR ZONING OFFICIALS ACTIVELY GOING OUT AND MONITORING THAT, OR AS WE, AS WE KNOW FROM, FROM A LONG TIME, A LOT OF OUR ZONING VIOLATIONS WERE COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
IF THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE THERE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS, AND I'M A NEIGHBOR AND YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A, A WINDOW THAT I LIKE LOOKING OUT OF AND I'M SITTING IN MY HOUSE OR MY BEDROOM AND I'VE GOT A, A BAY WINDOW AND I'M LOOKING OUT NOW, AND THAT MY VIEW IS OBSTRUCTED BY A, YOU KNOW, BY A, A SEMI SITTING THERE, I MIGHT BE INCLINED TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THE CITY AND SAY, HEY, THIS ISN'T ALLOWED.
SO IF THAT'S BEING DRIVEN BY COMPLAINTS, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THEN IF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE GOING OUT AND, AND JUST CITING SOMEBODY BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE, UH, TO GRAB A NIGHT'S SLEEP AND THEY'RE OUT THE NEXT MORNING.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING AS PART OF THAT CODE MAYBE WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
AND WHAT LENIENCIES DO WE ALLOW IN SITUATIONS LIKE THAT? BUT IF THE CODES, THE CODE AND IT'S BEING COMPLAINT DRIVEN, THEN WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THAT RESIDENT WHO IS CALLING TO COMPLAIN BECAUSE IT'S, RIGHT NOW IT'S AGAINST THE LAW.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT'S DRIVING THAT ENFORCEMENT, AND I THINK THAT'S DATED.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO FIND OUT FAIRLY, FAIRLY QUICKLY.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS DISCUSSION? YEAH, DON, I WOULD JUST ADD, UM, ONE QUICK THING.
AND THIS WOULD BE TO BRIAN, UH, BRIAN WITH THE, THE NEW SEWER AND WATER EXTENSION ALONG FOUR, HOW MANY ACRES, UM, APPROXIMATELY DO YOU THINK THAT WILL BE OPENED UP OVER THERE FOR DEVELOPMENT? SO THE, THE NEW SANITARY SEWER LINE HAS THE CAPABILITIES TO PROVIDE 3,400 ACRES WITH GRAVITY FED SERVICE.
SO TO RICHARD'S POINT, THOSE 3,400 ACRES, IF A LOVES OR A PILOT OR SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN TO US UNDER OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS, CURRENT ORDINANCES, IT'S A FLAT
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OUT NO TO THEM.IT WOULD BE A, UM, I WOULD TELL THEM THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A, UH, A STEEP HILL TO CLIMB, BUT, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, THE, UM, PLAN REZONING PROCESS, IT, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
BUT BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL, THEY, THEY, THERE NEEDS TO BE YESES ALL THE WAY, AND THAT'S NOT AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION.
UH, TO THAT, I WOULD, UM, SECOND COUNCILMAN SHAW'S, UM, REQUEST THAT WE DO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT, UH, OUR ORDINANCES AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO FACILITATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, AS OPPOSED TO, UH, CONTINUALLY PUTTING UP BARRIERS.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE SAY ON THAT.
SOUNDS LIKE SOME GOOD DISCUSSION, UH, FORTHCOMING.
[ Energy Aggregation]
NEXT IS ITEM THREE E, WHICH IS THE ENERGY AGGREGATION.RUSS, OR IS IT BRIAN? UH, THAT WOULD BE ME.
THIS, UH, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM COUNCIL IS ACTUALLY THE AGGREGATION OF SEVERAL LOCAL MUNICIPAL JURISDICTIONS.
WE CURRENTLY BUY ELECTRICITY TOGETHER.
UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH 22 OR 23 OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
UM, WE HAVE RECENTLY RECEIVED A PROPOSAL, UH, TO PURCHASE ELECTRICITY FOR JUST UNDER 6 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR, UH, THROUGH THE END OF DECEMBER, I BELIEVE IT IS, OF 2026.
WE WOULD ASK THAT, UM, EXCUSE ME, THERE'S A 2024 HERE.
AND IT IS THROUGH, YES, THROUGH DECEMBER 26.
UH, AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST UNDER 6 CENTS CURRENTLY.
UM, UH, THE CITY'S, UM, UM, PUBLIC AGGREGATION PROGRAM, UM, THE ELECTRICITY IS LOCKED AT EIGHT, UH, AND A HALF CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR.
SO THIS IS STILL, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
AND WE WOULD ASK THAT, UH, COUNCIL ENTERTAIN LEGISLATION ON MONDAY TO LOCK THIS RATE IN, UH, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF FOR THE, UH, VOLATILITY, UM, IN THE EAST, UH, AND WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN TO, UH, FUTURE ELECTRICITY PRICES.
SO THAT IS OUR REQUEST OF COUNCIL.
WHAT WAS THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT AGAIN? SO SIX, 6 CENTS.
THIS IS, UH, IT IS, UH, 6 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR, UH, IS WHAT THIS PARTICULAR RATE IS.
SO IT'S ABOUT UP A PENNY, UH, FROM WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY BUYING.
BUT THIS IS JUST FOR THE CITY, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
THIS IS JUST FOR NOT FOR THE RESIDENCE? THAT IS CORRECT.
THIS IS JUST FOR THE CITY GOTCHA.
AND HOW WE PURCHASE OUR ELECTRICITY.
AND IT'S, AND IT IS A GOOD RATE.
UM, WHICH BRINGS UP THE QUESTION OR THE SUGGESTION THAT AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UM, WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE OTHER, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AGGREGATION PROGRAM BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH HIGHER THAN, THAN WHAT THIS IS.
AND, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE OPTION OF TERMINATING MM-HMM.
BUT I MEAN, WE'RE LIKE 3 CENTS HIGHER THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
AND, UM, I THINK WE'VE WAITED LONG ENOUGH SURE.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO REVISIT THAT.
UM, IN THE NEW YORK VET'S COUNCIL'S DESIRE.
I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, THE DECISION THAT WE MADE TO GO WITH THAT RATE WAS BASED ON HOW VOLATILE THE MARKET WAS AT THE TIME, AND WE WERE PROTECTING OURSELF AND THE RESIDENTS AGAINST THE RIGHT AGAINST THAT UPSIDE, BUT STOP THE BLEEDING.
BUT IF WE KNOW THERE'S SOME BETTER RATES OUT THERE, THEN LIKE, WE CERTAINLY NEED TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, ANITA, THAT JUST BROUGHT ME UP TO WHERE WE STAND ABOUT THE NATURAL GAS.
I KNOW WE, THAT WHOLE THING KIND OF FELL THROUGH.
IS THAT JUST ON LIMBO STILL, OR, UH, NO.
IS SOMETHING ELSE BEING PURSUED? SO M-V-R-P-C, UM, WHICH IS THE COOPERATIVE, WE'RE, UM, ATTEMPTING TO PURCHASE AGGREGATE GAS FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY JUST ANNOUNCED THEIR INTENT TO REBID.
SO THEY ARE GOING BACK OUT TO TRY AND, AND GET PRICING IN THE MARKETPLACE.
UM, LEMME SEE HERE IF I'VE GOT, UH, LET'S SEE.
JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE GROUP THAT THE NATURAL GAS AGGREGATION RFP WILL BE GOING OUT TODAY, AND THAT WAS ON NOVEMBER 20TH.
UH, AND THAT RFP RESPONSES ARE DUE BACK BY WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 13TH.
THAT'S FOR THE M-V-R-P-C AGGREGATION.
[01:45:01]
OKAY.ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ON FOR THE CITY RATE TO, UH, MONDAY'S NEWS? OKAY.
[ 2024 MVRPC/First Suburbs Consortium Appointments]
NEXT WE'LL GO TO ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS THE 2024, UH, M-V-R-P-C FIRST SUBURBS CONSORTIUM APPOINTMENTS.SO I, I, UH, BEFORE WE, WE GET STARTED, I KNOW, UM, THESE APPOINTMENTS NEED TO BE DONE.
THESE, SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS REQUIRE THAT THESE APPOINTMENTS ARE MADE PRIOR TO JANUARY.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO MEMBERS OF, UH, TWO COUNCIL MEMBER ELECT THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE.
SO, UH, I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE 'CAUSE I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BE PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.
AND, UM, JUST TO SAY IF EITHER OF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ANY OF THESE APPOINTMENTS WITH, UM, FIRST SUBURBS CONSORTIUM, UH, CERTAINLY RAISE YOUR HAND, SAY YES, WHATEVER,
UM, BUT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, THEN I THINK YOU CAN BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION AS WE GO TO MAKE THESE APPOINTMENTS.
BECAUSE YOU WILL BE SITTING HERE JANUARY 1ST, BUT BASED ON THE RULES OF THE CONSORTIUM, WE HAVE TO APPOINT PEOPLE PRIOR TO JANUARY 1ST.
IS THAT RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, CERTAINLY FEEL FREE TO STAND UP AND WAVE YOUR ARMS OR DO WHATEVER.
UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL GO AHEAD AND HAND THIS OVER TO TONY THEN.
WE'LL, THEN WE WILL, WE'LL LOOK AT THIS PROCESS.
MAYOR, WHY DIDN'T ANITA GIVE A SYNAPSIS OF WHAT, WHAT IT IS? SO TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE NEW MEMBERS? SURE.
I NEED TO, I CAN DO FIRST SUBURB.
YOU COULD HAVE TO DO THE OTHER.
UM, FIRST SUBURBS IS, UM, A GROUP OF 15 TOWNSHIPS AND SUBURBS OF DAYTON.
THAT MEETS MONTHLY, UM, THE LAST WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH.
AND WE DISCUSSED DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WOULD ADDRESS LIKE THE ENTIRE AREA.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO AT FIRST TIER.
SO IT'S BASICALLY FIRST TIER SUBURBS OF THE, OF THE DAYTON REGION.
SO, YEAH, IT'S THE COMMUNITIES THAT RING THE CITY OF DAYTON.
IT'S NOT A MEMBER THAT, OR IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
IT'S DOESN'T GO LIKE TO TROY OR ANYTHING ELSE.
SO, UH, THE CITY GETS TWO REPRESENTATIVES ON FIRST TIER SUBURBS, UH, ALONG WITH ONE ALTERNATE REPRESENTATIVE, WHICH IS A NON-VOTING MEMBER THAT CAN FILL IN FOR SOMEBODY FROM THE ORIGINAL TWO IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND.
SO ANITA, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN SERVING AGAIN? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO WE WOULD NEED ONE MORE AND AN ALTERNATE, RIGHT? SO, 'CAUSE GLEN AND RICHARD WERE, RICHARD WAS THE OTHER PERSON.
RIGHT NOW GLEN WAS THE ALTERNATE.
SO BEFORE WE GET TO, I'LL JUST ASK BEFORE WE GET TO M-V-R-P-C, NANCY, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN KEEPING THE MVR PC? MM-HMM.
UH, NANCY, DO YOU WANNA GIVE US UNDER OF WHAT THAT IS SO THAT YES, YOU CANDIDATES CAN? UM, M-V-R-P-C, UH, IS A, IS A, THE MEMBERSHIP IS, UH, THE MAJORITY OF COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IN THE AREA.
AND, AND THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE A CLEARING HOUSE FOR ALL THE, UH, PROJECTS THAT ALL THE CITIES BRING IN THE THINGS THAT THEY WANT.
AND THEY'RE COMPETING FOR FEDERAL AND STATE DOLLARS.
AND SO, UM, AS A REPRESENTATIVE, UH, FROM HERE, AND, AND RUSS IS THE PRIMARY FOR THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF IT, BUT THEY EVALUATE AND THEY DO THIS WITH CITIZEN INPUT, THEY EVALUATE ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED AND LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED FROM STATE AND THE FEDERAL AND PRIORITIZE ALL THOSE PROJECTS TO DETERMINE WHO'S GONNA GET THE MONEY FOR THAT PARTICULAR YEAR.
AND IF YOU HAVE A, A REALLY BIG PROJECT THAT MIGHT GO OUT, UH, MULTIPLE YEARS, THEY PUT IT IN THE, IN THE PIPELINE.
AND HOPEFULLY YOU GET IT FUNDED IN FUTURE YEARS.
BUT THEY ARE A CLEARINGHOUSE THAT HELPS PRIORITIZE FROM, FROM ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT SUBMIT REQUIREMENTS.
HOW OFTEN DO YOU, HOW OFTEN DO YOU MEET? WE MEET, UH, ONCE A MONTH.
THE FIRST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
SO IS IT AT WHAT TIME? ONE IN AN ALTERNATE OR IS IT TWO? YES.
THAT'S JUST ONE IN AN ALTERNATE.
SO YOU'RE INTERESTED IN STAYING THE MM-HMM.
DON, ARE YOU STILL INTERESTED IN BEING THE ALTERNATE IN VRPC OR NO? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR OF ANY OF OUR NEW, NEW GUYS HERE.
OH, IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE MORNING AT NINE.
YOU'LL HAVE TO RETIRE FIRST ONE ONCE A MONTH.
I DUNNO IF YOU'RE BOSS WILL LET YOU COME LATE.
[01:50:03]
MR. AKINS, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED? NEITHER POSITION, UH, QUESTION? YEAH, SURE.GO AHEAD AND JUST COME TO THE PODIUM IF YOU WOULD.
DO ALL OF THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS MEET IN THE MORNINGS? YEAH.
FIRST TIER IS AT FIVE 30 THE LAST WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH.
AND IT USUALLY INCLUDES DINNER, RIGHT? YES.
SO FIRST TIER
IT'S IN THE AFTERNOON, EARLY EVENING.
THE LAST WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH.
EXCEPT FOR THEY DON'T MEET IN JULY AND AUGUST IN DECEMBER.
AND THEY ROTATE AMONGST THE MEMBER COMMUNITY.
SO EACH COMMUNITY HOSTS A DIFFERENT MONTH.
AND TRUST ME WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE DONE AT SEVEN, THEY'RE DONE AT SEVEN.
THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION.
HAS HAVE ALL OF YOU SERVED ON THOSE, THAT COMMITTEE FIRST TIER? I HAVE, YES.
BECAUSE IT MEANT I WORKED DURING THE DAY.
MY SCHEDULE JUST DOESN'T ALLOW.
BUT, UM, UH, I WAS 2019 MAYBE, I THINK, UM, MARK AND I SERVED.
I WAS, WE WERE, UM, YEAH, ON FIRST ON FIRST TIER M-V-R-P-C SOUNDS MORE INTERESTING, BUT THE TIMEFRAME FOR ME MIGHT BE LIMITING.
SO IF WE NEED SOMEONE TO SERVE ON THE FIRST TIER, I'LL DO IT.
UM, IF NO ONE ELSE IS WILLING TO SERVE.
SO THAT WOULD LEAVE AN ALTERNATE FOR, FOR SUBURBS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE TWO ALTERNATES.
TWO MEMBERS AND ONE ALTERNATE.
IS ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN BEING AN ALTERNATE ON FIRST TIER? OKAY.
'CAUSE WHEN I WAS ON IT, I LEARNED A LOT AND I WAS PROBABLY THE FIRST YEAR OR SECOND YEARS ON COUNCIL, I DID LEARN A LOT, SO OKAY.
WHATEVER YOU DON'T WANNA DO, I'LL DO.
SO THEN WE HAVE NANCY FOR M-V-R-P-C AS THE PRIMARY, AND THEN WE NEED AN ALTERNATE.
UNLESS DON, IF DON WANTS TO CHANGE OR YOU WANNA STAY, HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE ELSE ASKING FOR IT, SO, UH, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO IT.
UH, I KNOW BRIAN ISN'T HERE TIME.
IF, UM, UM, HE HAS ANY INTEREST IN IT, UH, WHAT IS WORK SCHEDULE? YEAH, I THINK, I'M NOT SURE.
I'M NOT SURE HIS WORK SCHEDULE WOULD, WOULD ALLOW THAT EITHER.
SO DON, AND THEN AS, AS NANCY MENTIONED, THERE IS A COMPONENT TO THE M-V-R-P-C APPOINTMENTS, UH, WHICH IS CALLED THE TECH ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UH, RUSS IS OUR PRIMARY FROM STAFF THAT THOSE ARE STAFF PEOPLE THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THOSE.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, BRIAN CURRENTLY IS THE ALTERNATE.
HE SAID HE WOULD BE WILLING TO CONTINUE THAT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT THOSE POSITIONS FULL.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, TO THOSE? OKAY.
THANK YOU AND THANKS FOR BEING WILLING.
[ Board And Commission Appointments * Tax Review Board - Appointment]
OKAY.NEXT IS, UH, ITEM THREE G, WHICH IS THE BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.
AND THIS IS FOR THE TAX REVIEW BOARD.
YEAH, I JUST HAVE ONE THIS EVENING.
IT'S A, UH, NEW APPOINTMENT, UH, DANIEL CHIVER TO THE TAX REVIEW BOARD FOR A TERM ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2025.
UM, THE BACKGROUND CHECK'S BEEN PROCESSED AND UH, WE HAVE ONE REMAINING VACANCY ON THIS BOARD.
AND, UH, SO THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE INTERVIEW PANEL.
[ 2024 Law Director Contract]
UP IS ITEM, UH, THREE H, WHICH IS THE 2024 LAW DIRECTOR CONTRACT.UM, THIS IS THE STANDARD LEGISLATION TO APPROVE THE LAW DIRECTOR'S CONTRACT FOR THE COMING YEAR.
UH, THE CONTRACT ITSELF IS LARGELY THE SAME.
THERE WERE SOME RECOMMENDED, UH, CHANGES, UH, IN THE, UH, FEES TO BE CHARGED ON THE HOURLY RATE, UH, FROM P, S AND E.
UH, I DID INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION FROM, UH, DAVE AND PS AND E AND, UH, PACKET.
UM, BUT DAVE IS HERE COULD ELABORATE OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THAT.
UH, THANK YOU COUNSEL AND THANK YOU TONY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOUR, YOUR LIGHT'S NOT GREEN.
YOU GOTTA BE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT LIGHT OUT BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS CONTRACT.
I ALWAYS STRUGGLE WITH THIS LIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY PSS E'S UH, HAPPY TO SERVE THE CITY AND WE'VE HAD A LONGSTANDING RELATIONSHIP, UH, WITH THE CITY.
UM, AS TONY INDICATED, AND I PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT OF A SORT OF HISTORY GOING BACK TO AT LEAST 2008.
ALTHOUGH OUR SERVICES TO THE CITY GO PRIOR TO THAT, UM, WE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR A ADJUSTMENT.
WELL, IT IS AN ADJUSTMENT, UM, AND REALLY A MARKET ADJUSTMENT, UH, FOR THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO EXPAND ON ANY OF THAT.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF NOTE IS FOR THE PROSECUTORIAL SERVICES THAT'S CURRENTLY HANDLED ON A FLAT FEE BASIS WITH THE CITY.
UM, AND AS I INDICATED, THERE'S BEEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF CHANGE, UH, CERTAINLY IN THE VICTIM'S RIGHTS ASPECT AS IT
[01:55:01]
RELATES TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.SINCE THAT, UH, SERVICE WAS INITIATED, WE HAVE NEVER INCREASED THE SERVICE, UH, I'M SORRY, THE FEE FOR THOSE PROSECUTORIAL SERVICES.
UH, SO THIS YEAR'S BUMP, UM, IS REALLY TAKING, UH, UH, THAT, UH, CHANGE IN THE LAW INTO ACCOUNT, UM, THAT HAS RUN AT A DEFICIT FOR THE FIRM SINCE THE DAY WE STARTED DOING THAT WORK.
UH, SO PART OF THIS IS HOPING TO AT LEAST BREAK EVEN, UH, ON THAT ASPECT.
UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AND, UM, WE WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS.
ANY QUESTIONS? YES, GLEN, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED RATE ADJUSTMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE, WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT.
IS THERE A GENERAL RATE ADJUSTMENT AS WELL? UH, YEAH.
AND, AND WHAT IS THAT JUST, JUST FOR THE RECORD.
SO IT'S, IT'S HERE IN THE DIRECT.
SO WITHIN THE MEMO ITSELF, LAPTOP'S INACTIVE RIGHT NOW.
WHAT'S THAT? I'M, I WAS TELLING DAVE.
SO WITHIN THE MEMO ITSELF, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE CURRENT RATE IS $175 AN HOUR FOR THE ALL ATTORNEYS.
UH, AND WE WERE LOOKING TO INCREASE THAT APPROXIMATELY 8.5%.
UH, AND THAT WOULD TAKE US UP TO 190, UH, DOLLARS PER HOUR.
AND THEN WE HAVE A $10 ADJUSTMENT FOR PARALEGALS, LAW CLERKS.
UM, AND THAT HAS, AS LONG AS WE'VE SERVED YOU GUYS, THAT NUMBER HAS BEEN THE SAME NUMBER, BUT FOR ONE $10 ADJUSTMENT.
AND WE WILL JUST BE DOING ANOTHER $10 ADJUSTMENT TO THAT FROM THE CURRENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, ANITA? I WASN'T HERE FOR THE LAST CONTRACT, BUT, UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, DO WE GO OUT TO BID? IS THERE OTHER LAW FIRMS? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPETITIVE CHIEF FINDING OUT, MOVE ON.
I MEAN, IT WAS DONE SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
THERE WAS AN RFP THAT WAS PUT OUT FOR THE LAW DIRECTORS.
ONE WAS PSE, AND, UH, THE OTHER WAS, UM, COOL WALL.
AND I'M NOT, NOTHING AGAINST YOU, DAVE, ANYHOW, JUST I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF WE DO GO OUT TO BID OVER FOR THIS OR, YEAH, I MEAN, I CAN SAY WITH UTMOST CERTAINTY, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE PHENOMENALLY PREFERRED RATES, UM, COMPARED TO WHAT OUR STANDARD HOURLY RATES ARE.
AND EVEN ACROSS PUBLIC SECTOR.
UM, I CAN SAY THAT THE SAME CONVERSATION IS BEING HAD WITH ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SECTOR CLIENTS, BUT EVEN ACROSS THAT BOARD, THESE ARE STILL PREFERRED RATES AS IT RELATES TO OTHER PUBLIC SECTOR CLIENTS.
SO JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE.
ANY OBJECTION TO, UH, MOVING THIS ONTO THE COUNCIL MEETING? OKAY.
[ Supplemental Appropriations]
IS ITEM THREE I, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, TWO ITEMS, UH, FOR THE SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, THIS WOULD BE THE, THE LAST, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL FOR THE YEAR.
AND, UM, CONSIDERING THE SITUATION WE'RE IN WITH THE, UH, CYBER ATTACK, UM, THIS NUMBER LOOKS QUITE LARGE FOR, UH, PERSONNEL INCREASES, BUT, UH, DUE TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY COUNCIL, UM, UH, RATE INCREASES, UH, MARKET RATE INCREASES FOR THE POLICE, UM, BASED ON THE POLICE UNION AND THEN THE, UH, RETRO PAY THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE OTHER EMPLOYEES, UH, WE WILL, UM, NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY CURRENTLY APPROVED IN THE BUDGET TO PAY STAFF MEMBERS IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, UH, FOR THE TWO PAYS IN DECEMBER.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS TO YOU.
UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD THE, UM, UH, ABILITY TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS EXACTLY, SO I HONESTLY, WHAT I DID WAS I TOOK 10% OF THE CURRENT BUDGET AND INCREASED, UH, EACH OF THE PERFE, UH, PERSONNEL LINE ITEMS IN THE CURRENT BUDGET.
I KNOW WE WILL NOT SPEND THIS MUCH, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO ESTIMATE 5% AND BE TOO LOW.
SO, UH, WHATEVER IS NOT SPENT AND APPROVED, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL GO BACK INTO THE AVAILABLE BALANCES.
UM, SO EVEN THOUGH THIS LOOKS LIKE A LARGE NUMBER, I CAN, UH, ASSURE YOU THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT NUMBER.
AND, UM, AND THAT'S FOR ALL PERSONNEL ACROSS ALL DIVISIONS.
UH, THE OTHER ITEM ON HERE, UH, WHICH I BRING TO YOU, UH, ANNUALLY IS THE, UM, OPERATIONAL DEFICIT FOR THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER OPERATIONS.
AND THAT, UH, WE NEED TO INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR THAT FOR, UH, $95,000.
AND, UH, ONCE AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, UH, IN ORDER TO GET THE, UH, UH, STAFF MEMBERS PAID IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, UH, I WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE APPROVED ON, UH, MONDAY NIGHT.
PLEASE, JIM, DOES THIS REQUIRE ANY, IS THIS, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE, THIS, DOES THIS GONNA
[02:00:01]
REQUIRE WAIVING READINGS OR TO GET THIS YEAH.SO WHAT, SO WHAT'S, SO WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME THEN? SO, I MEAN, JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR.
UM, WELL, IF THIS, IF THIS FROM A PAYROLL PERSPECTIVE YEAH.
WHAT I MEAN, WHERE, WHERE DOES THIS, RIGHT.
'CAUSE THIS WENT ON TO A, A SECOND MEETING BEYOND MONDAY, THEN THAT WOULD BE BEYOND THE NEXT PAYROLL WHEN THESE MONIES ARE NEEDED.
SO, SO THE UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE THEN, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY, IT WOULD REQUIRE SIX VOTES FOR TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING AND THEN ADOPTION THEN? YES, SIR.
SO WHAT ABOUT OUR, IS THAT CHANGE ON, ON THESE TYPES OF BUDGET ISSUES? SUPPLEMENTALS IS THAT APPROPRIATION ORDINANCES UNDER THE CHARTER ARE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE 30.
SO WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING.
SO THIS WILL BE IN EFFECT PRIOR TO PAYROLL DATE FOR DECEMBER, CORRECT? YES.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? YES, RICHARD.
UM, I WAS REALLY HOPING THAT WE WOULD HAVE THIS INFORMATION PRIOR TO NOW AND, UH, UM, WE COULD DEFINITELY HAVE A SERIOUS DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT I, I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THE PAST FIVE TO SIX YEARS OF OPERATING, UH, FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER.
UM, BECAUSE IF MY NUMBERS ARE CLOSE, WE ARE TALKING ROUGHLY ABOUT $600,000 THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE, UM, OVER A, A FIVE TO SIX YEAR OPERATING TIME PERIOD AS A DEFICIT FOR THAT LOCATION.
WHAT ARE WE DOING WRONG? WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER? AND WHY DO WE AS A COUNCIL, EACH INDIVIDUAL YEAR HAVE TO APPROVE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 50 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS EACH YEAR? BECAUSE, UH, NOW OF COURSE WE'VE GOTTEN THE WRONG, I I HAVE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION.
WELL, IF YOU TAKE THE SPONSORSHIPS AND YOU DO THIS, THAT NO, THIS COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE DEFICITS, UM, UH, FOR THIS LOCATION.
WHY? WELL, I CAN OFFER A COUPLE OF SOLUTIONS.
I MEAN, THE FIRST IS, IS I THINK BEFORE NEXT YEAR'S SEASON, WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR RATES.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN'S THE LAST, WHEN THE LAST TIME WE RAISED THOSE RATES WERE.
THAT CAN HELP, I THINK, REDUCE THAT DEFICIT.
BUT I DO WANNA MENTION THAT PARKS DON'T MAKE MONEY.
AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A PARK.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT DOES HAVE A REVENUE STREAM THAT HELPS OFFSET THAT.
UM, BUT IT'S A PARK, LIKE ANY OTHER PARK.
AND FOR INSTANCE, IN 2022, TOM CLOUD PARK COST US $280,000.
I MEAN, YOU COULD CALL THAT A TOM CLOUD PARK DEFICIT IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
UH, WE HAD A SIMILAR $200,000 DEFICIT THIS YEAR.
I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE WORKED IN CITIES WITH AQUATIC CENTERS BEFORE.
UM, IT'S A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE JUST TRY AND OFFSET THAT COST BECAUSE IT IS HIGHER THAN MOST PARKS WITH, WITH SOME MEMBERSHIP FEES, SOME CONCESSION REVENUE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FEES, SEE IF WE CAN HELP STEM THAT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY CITIES WHERE THEIR WATER, UH, OR AQUATIC CENTERS ARE MAKING MONEY OR BREAKING EVEN.
SO MY ONLY REBUTTAL WITH THAT TO BE WHO RUNS THE AQUATIC CENTER, WE CONTRACT WITH YMCA FOR THAT.
IS THE YMCA PAYING THOSE DEFICITS? WE ARE, RIGHT? WE THE CITY, CORRECT.
SO WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY WHO'S RUNNING OUR, OUR, OUR BUSINESS FOR US, BUT WE HAVE TO PAY THE DEFICIT.
SO WHAT IS THE THIRD PARTY DOING? WHAT CAN THEY DO BE THAT'S THE CONVERSATION I'M LOOKING TO HAVE HAPPEN.
WELL, WE RECENTLY HAD A, AND MOUNT VERNON HAD A COMPANY MANAGE OUR OPERATIONS.
WE OWED THEM A $480,000 CONTRACT.
WE DIDN'T COVER THAT FULL CONTRACT.
SO WE PAY FOR THE OPERATIONS AND THEY PROVIDE THOSE OPERATIONS.
BUT, UM, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT OUR TICKET REVENUE IS GOING TO FULLY ENCOMPASS THAT CONTRACT.
SO AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT RATES, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER GONNA GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BREAKEVEN OPERATION.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, COULD IT BE, AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE SEVERAL OF THE, UM, I'VE HEARD AT LEAST TWO AREA POOLS THAT DON'T EVEN PLAN ON OPENING UP NEXT YEAR.
THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE GOING TO NEED TO GO TO SOMEWHERE.
AND WE HAVE THAT DESIRE, WE HAVE THAT LOCATION.
SO I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M NOT LOOKING TO PASS THIS SUPPLEMENTAL, I'M NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TAKE THE PITCHFORKS TO THE YMCA AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE SOME MORE IN DEPTH OUTSIDE THE BOX CONVERSATIONS.
HOW CAN WE CURB THIS NUMBER? 'CAUSE THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS HIGHER THAN WHAT THE NUMBER WAS LAST YEAR.
SO DID WE DO SOMETHING WORSE THAN LAST YEAR? DID WE DO SOMETHING BETTER? THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
[02:05:01]
AN IDIOT.WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO ZERO ON THIS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO ZERO ON TOM CLOUD PARK.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO ZERO ON THE SKATE PARK.
WHAT CAN WE, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO BE BETTER? SO IS, SO I'M TRYING, WAS THAT, THAT DISCUSSION WAS ON THE, UM, WAS ON THE SPLASH PAD THAT MIKE WAS HERE BEFORE.
YEAH, GLEN, OH, I WAS JUST GONNA COMMENT AND TRY TO ANSWER MR. SHAW'S QUESTION, SIR.
WHEN YOU FIND THE ONE PLACE OF THAT FASHION THAT DOES MAKE MONEY OR BREAK EVEN, GIMME A CALL AND LET ME KNOW.
THAT'S WHY SPLASH MORAINE ISN'T HERE.
THAT'S WHY THE BEACH ISN'T HERE.
AND THAT'S, AND I AGREE WITH MR. ZICK ON THAT ONE.
IT, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN KNOWN UP FRONT WHEN IT WAS BUILT THAT IT WAS GONNA LOSE MONEY.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASSUMED.
BUT, UH, BUT I AGREE WE COULD MITIGATE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO DECREASE EXPENSE OR INCREASE REVENUE.
RIGHT? ISN'T THAT PRETTY MUCH YOUR OPTIONS? I MEAN, THAT'S, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW ANY MORE WAYS TO MAKE MONEY OTHER THAN DECREASE, RE DECREASE EXPENSE AND INCREASE REVENUE.
WE, WELL, WELL, IF YOU FIGURE THAT OUT, I'LL GO AHEAD.
UM, JIM, IS THE $95,000, IS THAT THE TOTAL DEFICIT, UH, FOR 2023 FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER? OR IS THIS AN AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE APPLYING TOWARDS THE DEFICIT? THIS IS AN AMOUNT THAT I'M APPLYING TOWARDS THE DEFICIT.
WE ALREADY HAD, UH, MY ESTIMATE AS TO WHAT THE DEFICIT WOULD BE, UH, THIS YEAR.
AND THIS NEEDS TO BE, UH, INCREASED IN THE BUDGET TO COVER THE COMPLETE DEFICIT.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT THEN, UM, I'M SURE YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CLOSE THE BOOK YET ON IT, BUT WHAT WILL BE THE TOTAL DEFICIT FOR THE Y THIS YEAR OR FOR THE, UH, THE, UH, IN THE INVOICE I RECEIVED FROM THE YMCA WAS, UH, NORTH OF, UH, $279,000.
SO IS, AND THAT'S OUR, OUR DEFICIT THEN.
ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S A LOT OF RATE INCREASES OR IT'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS OF WHAT CAN WE AND THE YMCA DO BETTER TO PARTNER OUR MARRIAGE TO BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER STEWARDS OF MONEY? OKAY.
IF I COULD JUST MAKE TWO SMALL STATEMENTS.
UM, EVERY YEAR I DO MEET WITH, UH, CHRIS LINDEMAN FROM THE Y AND WE, UM, HAVE BEEN INCREASING, UM, THE RATES THAT WE CHARGE AT THE, UM, UH, CONCESSION STAND.
AND, UH, THAT HAS SHOWN SOME PROMISE, BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT'S JUST SMALL INCREASES.
UM, UH, THE OTHER, UH, CHALLENGE I KNOW OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN, UH, WHAT IS PAID TO THE LIFEGUARDS.
IT HAS TO BE A, A SIMILAR RATE TO WHAT THE OTHER AREA AGENCIES ARE PAYING.
AND, UM, AND I DO KNOW EVER SINCE 2020, WE HAD SOME VERY STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS FROM, I BELIEVE IT CAME FROM THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
WE HAD TO, HAD TO, UH, EMPLOY MORE LIFEGUARDS THAN WE DID PRIOR TO THAT.
AND SO THAT HAS DRIVEN OUR COSTS UP.
WELL, I MEAN, LOOK, SAFETY, SAFETY IS CLEARLY AN ISSUE, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN'T EVEN OPEN THE PLACE IF YOU DON'T HAVE LIFEGUARDS, RIGHT? SO, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO PAYING THEM TO GET 'EM TO COME TO WORK, IF YOU DON'T HAVE 'EM, YOU'RE, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA OPEN.
SO THAT, THAT CLEARLY HAS TO BE PRI PRIORITY NUMBER ONE.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT OUR LIFEGUARDS HERE DON'T MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS SOME OF THE OTHER VENUES AROUND HERE PAY.
CAN WE, SO I'LL JUST ASK THIS.
SO TO GET THIS CONVERSATION STARTED AT SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE, CAN WE GET, UM, NUMBERS OF ATTENDANCE OVER THE LAST, LET'S CALL IT THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND FIND OUT ARE WE GETTING MORE PEOPLE? ARE WE GETTING LESS PEOPLE? I MEAN, LET'S START THERE, RIGHT? UM, TO BE ABLE TO ATTACH A NUMBER TO IF THERE IS A RATE INCREASE, WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, DEFICIT MITIGATION.
BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT HAS HAPPENED, OR, YOU KNOW, ARE MORE PEOPLE COMING TO THE AQUATICS CENTER OR LESS PEOPLE COMING? AND THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER CITIES AROUND US WHEN THEY LOOK AT THEIR VENUES, THEY, THEY LITERALLY ATTACH A COST TO OPERATE THAT VENUE ON A PER PERSON BASIS OVER THE COURSE OF A SEASON.
SO I THINK IF WE JUST START GETTING THAT DATA DOWN TO THAT COST PER PERSON, THEN THAT'LL HELP US DETERMINE WHAT WE GOTTA DO TO BECOME MORE EFFICIENT.
OR ARE WE AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN GET? AND, AND THE NUMBER JUST IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO NARROW IT DOWN TO THE, THE SMALLEST, YOU KNOW, LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR THAT IS COST PER PERSON OVER THE COURSE OF A SEASON.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THOSE ATTENDANCE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY UP TO NOW.
I KNOW THE PRICE OF CHEMICALS HAVE WENT THROUGH THE ROOF ASTRONOMICALLY, SO.
[02:10:01]
I KNOW, BUT LIKE, JUST TO MAKE INFLATION ISN'T A REAL CAKE.INFLATION HAS REALLY ALSO TAKEN ITS TOLL ON ALL OF OUR, LIKE, JUST TO BUY THE CONCESSION FOOD AND TO RESELL IT AND JUST TO BUY THE CHEMICALS AND RESELL IT AND TO BRING IN OTHER THINGS THAT THEY BRING IN, BUT MAYBE PUSH OUT THE FENCE AND PUT UP ANOTHER AREA THAT PEAK COULD RENT, WOULD ALSO BRING IN REVENUE OR HAVE ALCOHOL SALES.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, I MEAN THAT IT'S A DANGER, BUT ALSO MAYBE CLOSE THE DAY ON SUNDAY AND IT'S RENT IT BULL FOR PRIVATE BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND THE CITIZENS WOULDN'T HAVE USE OF THEIR PUBLIC VENUE.
I HAD A THOUGHT IN THAT, OH, UM, THE, THE Y SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET US NUMBERS, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT ORDERING THE PIZZA, RIGHT? YES.
WE'RE GETTING THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS.
YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH CHRIS, YOU SAID, SO LET'S FIND OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING.
WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF INFLATION ON, YOU KNOW, FOOD COSTS AND CHEMICAL COSTS? I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND ARE WE ADJUSTING PRICES ON CONCESSIONS TO MATCH WHATEVER THE, THE INCREASED COSTS ARE? OR ARE WE JUST BEING SUPER FRIENDLY FOR EVERYBODY THAT COMES THERE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK BACK TO IT.
I CAN'T RECALL THE LAST TIME WE RAISED RATES, SO I'LL HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT, AT THAT, UH, UH, ENTRY RATES.
SO, SO YEAH, I THINK AS, AS MUCH DATA AS WE CAN GET ABOUT THE OPERATION, UM, AND, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING AT ALL THAT, THAT WE SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA OPEN, UH, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES WHO AREN'T OPENING IT, WE'RE GONNA SEE PROBABLY LARGER ATTENDANCE OF THE PEOPLE, PEOPLE WANTING TO COME.
SO, UM, AND ALSO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT, I KNOW WE, WE CHANGED, WAS IT TWO DAYS A MONTH NOW, OR TWO DAYS A WEEK NOW WE HAVE KIND OF HUMAN RIGHTS CITIZENS ONLY.
SO I THINK WE'D, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER GONE BACK AND LOOKED AT WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT IS.
WHAT DOES THE ATTENDANCE LOOK LIKE ON HUBER RESIDENT DAYS ONLY VERSUS DAYS WHERE EVERYBODY'S ALLOWED TO COME? SO ARE, ARE THE MEMBERS REALLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT, UH, OR THE RESIDENTS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND COMING, AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE MAKE SENSE TO KEEP DOING THAT? OR DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO TAKE THAT TO ONE DAY AND, AND, AND OPEN IT BACK UP TO, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY ELSE ON, ON THE OTHER.
I THINK THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT SOME OF THOSE RAW NUMBERS ARE TO START, SO WE KNOW WHAT DIRECTION TO MOVE IN.
MARK, UH, JIM, ARE WE STILL RECEIVING COMPENSATION FROM KROGER ON A SPONSORSHIP? YES.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE BUY AMERICA BONDS REBATE IS ANNUALLY? THAT IS, UM, AROUND $95,000.
IT STARTED IN 2010, AND EVERY YEAR SINCE IT DROPS JUST ABOUT, UH, 4% EVERY YEAR.
AND THEN DO WE HAVE LIKE PASSES, LIKE ANNUAL PASSES THAT WE SELL? YES.
AND COULD THAT BE PART OF THE CALCULATIONS THAT THE MAYOR IS ASKING FOR? COULD THAT BE INCLUDED? HOW, AS FAR AS HOW MANY PASSES ARE SOLD EACH YEAR? YEAH.
COMPARATIVELY, WE HAVE ALL THOSE NUMBERS THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS WE ALSO, UH, MAKE USE OF OUR, UM, UH, THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH MIMI FOR THE MUSIC CENTER.
UH, THEY HAVE SOME GOOD CONTRACTS WITH VENDORS.
AND SO WHEN CHRIS LINDEMAN AND I SIT DOWN AND, AND SET PRICES FOR WHAT THE CONCESSIONS WILL BE, WE TRY AND WORK WITH THEM AND SEE IF THERE'S, UH, SOME VENDOR PRICES THEY'RE BEING OFFERED THAT, UH, MAYBE THE, UH, AQUATIC OR THE YEAH, THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER IS, UH, BEING CHARGED MORE BY THEIR VENDORS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO USE, UM, LIKE YOU SAY, THINK OUT OF THE BOX.
AND, UH, AND TRY AND USE DIFFERENT, UH, PARTNERS TO HELP US OUT.
AND JIM, IN REGARDS TO THE SPONSORSHIP FEES THAT WE RECEIVED, DOES THAT COME OFF THAT NUMBER, OR HAVE YOU ALREADY TAKEN THAT OFF? NO, THAT THE NUMBER THAT I GAVE YOU DOES NOT INCLUDE THOSE.
UM, THAT'S JUST A STRAIGHT OPERATIONAL, UM, NUMBER FROM KROGER.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, UH, SPONSORSHIPS, AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE BUILD AMERICA BONDS EITHER.
SO DON HAD ASKED WHAT THE TOTAL DEFICIT WAS, AND IT WAS TWO SOMETHING.
WOULD WE TAKE OFF THE SPONSORSHIP NET THAT WE RECEIVE OFF THAT NUMBER? I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S MONEY THAT'S COMING INTO US AND NOT TO THE Y SO YEAH, THAT WOULD, UM, UH, LET'S SEE.
SO NOW WE'RE DOWN TO ABOUT 2 49.
AND THEN THE BUY AMERICA BONDS ARE HOW MUCH THE REBATE? OH, 90 95.
SO NOW WHAT ARE WE DOWN TO? SO THAT, THAT'S 95.
THE, I THINK THE ANNUAL AMOUNT FROM KROGER IS 35.
SO THERE'S, UM, 130,000 THAT WOULD BRING THE 2 79 DOWN TO 1 49.
SO WE WOULDN'T BE GETTING THE KROGER SPONSORSHIP FEE IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A KROGER AQUATIC CENTER.
AND THE WHOLE CONCEPT WITH BY THE AMERICA BONDS WAS THE REBATE.
WE CALCULATED THAT INTO ALL THE NUMBERS.
SO THE TRUE DEFICIT FOR THE KROGER AQUATICS CENTER THIS YEAR IS HOW MUCH? WHEN YOU TAKE
[02:15:01]
THOSE TWO, I WOULD SAY NETTING THOSE OUT ABOUT 149,000.YEAH, I, I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE.
UH, I WASN'T AROUND WHEN THAT WAS DONE, BUT I REMEMBER SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THOSE BUILD AMERICA BONDS.
I FORGOT THOSE WERE, THAT THOSE REBATES WERE PART OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT THAT FIVE YEAR NUMBER EACH YEAR THAT RICHARD IS ASKING TO LOOK AT, THERE'S YEARS WE WERE PROFITABLE WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE SPONSORSHIP FEE WE'RE COLLECTING IN THE BUY AMERICA BOND REBATE, CORRECT? YES.
AND THEN WE'RE ADJUSTING THE CAPITAL COST OUT OF THAT.
SO THE NUMBERS THAT WERE PROVIDED EACH YEAR, IF WE HAVE A $40,000 PUMP GO OUT, THAT'S EXPENSE.
WE'RE NOT AMORTIZING THAT OUT.
SO IF WE RAN THAT LIKE A BUSINESS, WE WOULD AMORTIZE THAT PUMP OUT FOR THE LIFE OF THE PUMP AND THE DEFICIT WOULDN'T SEEM SO LARGE.
SO I THINK IF WE GO BACK EVEN 10 YEARS MIGHT BE, UH, A BETTER SNAPSHOT OF THAT.
I THINK IF WE LOOK AT A 10 YEAR ANALYSIS, AND WE CONSIDER THAT WE'VE NOT RAISED PRICES, AND I REMEMBER THE FIRST YEAR THAT IT WAS OPEN, WE HAD 90,000 PEOPLE VISIT THE PARK, THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER.
45,000 PEOPLE YOU COULD STOP, START CHOPPING OFF $45,000 OF THE DEFICIT BY INCREASING THE TICKET PRICE A DOLLAR.
AND, AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S EVER BEEN RAISED, HAS IT? AS YOU SAID, YOU INDICATED MAYBE, MAYBE ONE TIME.
MAYBE ONE TIME, BUT I, I CAN'T REMEMBER MORE THAN ONE TIME THAT IT'S BEEN RAISED.
SO IF WE LOOK BACK TO THIS MAYOR MM-HMM.
AND IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY NOT $6,000 OVER FIVE YEARS.
TO, TO RICK'S POINT, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT A MONEY LOSER THAT'S, UH, THOMAS CLOUD, NOW THERE'S YOUR MONEY LOSER.
WE DON'T CHARGE PEOPLE TO COME TO THE PARK.
ANITA, WHEN DOES SEASON PASS GO ON SALE? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY THAT WE INCREASE SEASON PASSES BY $10 FOR THE YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT A SMALL ADJUSTMENT TO EVERY RATE, SEASON PASSES, DAY PASSES, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I MEAN, IF IT'S BEEN SO LONG, UH, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I'LL TELL YOU.
YOU GUYS ARE CHARGING US THE SAME THING.
WE WERE CHARGING MOUNT VERNON, AND YOU GOT A LOT NICER WATERPARK THAN WE DID.
SO I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SEE WHAT THE RATES WERE WHEN I WAS VISITING THE AQUATIC CENTER.
WELL, I'M JUST THINKING ALL THE ENTERTAINMENT LIKE KINGS ISLAND SEASON PASSES WENT UP.
ANY ENTERTAINMENT HAS GONE UP.
MM-HMM,
I THINK THEY'VE TRIED TO SELL 'EM AT CHRISTMAS TIME.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, UM, TO GET PEOPLE FOR HOLIDAY SALES.
SO I, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HERE, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND I DO HEAR EVERYBODY'S ISSUES AND CONCERNS, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT REAL.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A VALUE THAT WE OFFER TO OUR RESIDENTS, AND THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO PARK LEVY IN HUB HEIGHTS.
WE'RE NOT CHARGING ANY RECREATIONAL FEES TO OUR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, THE DATA AS WE SUGGESTED.
AND I THINK, UH, THE IDEA OF GOING BACK 10 YEARS TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, AND IF THAT NUMBER IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT A COUNCIL CAN STILL LIVE WITH BECAUSE OF THE AMENITY AND BECAUSE OF THE SERVICE THAT WE'RE OFFERING TO THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT A RECREATIONAL TAX AND A PARK TAX OR A PARK LEVY, UH, WHERE EVERYBODY'S PAYING FOR THAT STUFF LIKE THEY DO IN SO MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES, THEN MAYBE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO RAISE THE RATES AT ALL.
MAYBE IT'S JUST THE AMENITY WE KEEP, AND THIS IS THE EXPENSE AND THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS, AND WE HAVE THE REBATES AND WE HAVE THE SPONSORSHIPS.
UM, SO I, I THINK WE'RE A LONG WAY FROM MAKING ANY KIND OF DECISION IF ANYBODY'S LISTENING JUST SAYS, WE'RE JUST GONNA RAISE THE RATES, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER.
AND, AND MAYBE IT IS TIME, BUT I THINK WE'VE BEEN OFFERING A REALLY GREAT SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS AND TO OTHER PEOPLE AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES THAT COME HERE.
AND SOMETIMES THERE'S JUST A COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
AND IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS, THEN THAT'S THE DECISION THAT COUNCIL CAN, CAN MAKE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT INFORMATION IS, WHAT THAT DATA IS, SO WE CAN MAKE A, A GOOD DECISION BASED ON REAL NUMBERS AND REAL DATA.
UH, JUST IF FOR NO OTHER REASON, THEN WE KNOW.
[02:20:01]
ANYBODY ASKS US WHY, HOW, WHY AREN'T WE RAISING RATES? OR WHY DOES IT LOSE MONEY? WELL, THEN WE HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT WE ALL NEED UP HERE TO STAND BEHIND TO SAY, WELL, THIS IS WHY.AND WE'VE ANALYZED THE DATA, AND WE BELIEVE THAT AS AN AMENITY FOR THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT IT'S COSTING US ON, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, BECAUSE IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER PARK AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE A LONG WAY FROM MAKING ANY DECISIONS, BUT I'D LIKE THE DATA ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
MARK BRIAN, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, CARRIAGE TRAILS IS GOING TO, AT SOME POINT, UH, TAKE IN MORE IN ASSESSMENTS THAT WE OWE.
WHEN THAT HAPPENS, BEST OF MY MEMORY, THERE'LL BE A SPLIT BETWEEN US AND THE DEVELOPER.
AND I THINK IF I REMEMBER TALKING TO YOU MAYBE EVEN TWO YEARS AGO, THAT COULD BE $3 MILLION FOR US.
WHEN WE HAVE A CAPITAL EXPENSE, I THINK A FEW YEARS AGO, JIM, WHEN WE GET THIS 10 YEAR SPREAD, I THINK A FEW YEARS AGO WE HAD A LOT OF MONEY IN PUMPS AT THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER THAT WE TOOK OUT OF OPERATIONS.
WE HAD A HUGE DEFICIT COMPARED TO YEARS PRIOR AND SO ON.
BRIAN, IS SOME OF THAT TIFF REVENUE, UH, AVAILABLE TO USE TO PAY FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AT THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER? UM, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE, UM, AND THE TIFF LEGISLATIONS, BUT YES, POSSIBLY THAT COULD BE IT, IT WAS PAID FOR BY TIFF REVENUE.
AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE JUSTIFIED, UH, YES.
IF IT, SO IF IT WAS ORIGINALLY FUNDED AS A SOURCE YES.
THEN THAT WOULD BE REVENUE THAT COULD BE DERIVED FROM THE TIFF, OR I, EXCUSE ME, REVENUES FROM THE TIFF COULD BE USED TO COVER THOSE EXPENSES.
SO MAYOR, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE SPLASH PAD AT THOMAS CLOUD, AND I THINK THERE WAS A TIFF PROJECT NEAR NANCY AND MY HOME THAT'S GONNA PAY FOR SOME CAPITAL PROJECT AT THOMAS CLOUD.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE, THE HEATHER MECHI.
YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS FOR THE SPLASH PAD WAS TO USE TIFF REVENUE.
I, I WOULD REALLY ASK STAFF, WHILE THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THIS KROGER AQUATIC CENTER INFORMATION, THAT WE GET MORE SOPHISTICATED WITH THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PLAYGROUNDS AND THING, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND THINGS THAT ARE PUT INTO PARKS THAT I, I THINK WE COULD MAYBE PULL THE MONEY FROM A DIFFERENT AREA THAN OUR PIGGY BANK.
WELL, UM, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, UH, WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH AND REASSESS WHAT'S, UH, WHAT AVAILABLE TO US, AND WE'LL CONSIDER THAT.
AND WHEN WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER, UH, THIS INFORMATION FOR COUNSEL, I THINK THE ACTUAL OPERATING EXPENSE FOR THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER'S, FAR LESS THAN WE TALK ABOUT SOMETIMES ONCE WE CARVE OUT AND INCLUDE NAMING SPONSORS, BUYBACK AMERICA BONDS, AND SO ON.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, I KNOW WE SELL FAMILY PASSES, SENIOR PASSES, INDIVIDUAL PASSES, AND DAY PASSES.
COULD WE LOOK AT ADDING A POSSIBLE FEATURE OF A PUNCH CARD, LIKE BUY 10 VISITS AND IT'S THIS PRICE AND IT'S ONE PRICE FOR A RESIDENT AND IT'S ANOTHER PRICE FOR OUT OF RESIDENT FOR EACH OF THOSE PACKAGES.
AND, AND I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT RATES FOR RESIDENTS VERSUS NON-RESIDENTS.
AND, AND I DO BELIEVE WHEN WE FIRST OPENED, UH, SO THAT WE JUST COMPLETED OUR 12TH SEASON.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, WE MIGHT AS WELL DO IT FOR 12 YEARS INSTEAD OF 10.
AND, UM, BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, I, I REMEMBER THE FIRST YEAR BEING, UM, A HUGE OPERATIONAL, UM, UM, NOT A DEFICIT AT ALL, BUT A PROFITABLE, YES.
UM, AND, AND LIKE TONY SAID, I THINK EARLIER IN THE MEETING, UM, IT, IT IS WEATHER DRIVEN.
SO I THINK THIS YEAR WE HAD A VERY COOL, UM, JUNE, WHICH, UM, UH, REVENUES REALLY BOUNCED BACK WELL IN JULY AND AUGUST, UH, COMPARED TO THE WAY WE STARTED.
'CAUSE IT WAS LOOKING, UH, LIKE NOT A GOOD SEASON AT ALL, BUT, UH, UH, IT ACTUALLY, UH, CAME BACK QUITE WELL, UH, WITH THE WEATHER.
BUT, UH, YES TO YOUR, UH, POINT, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT, UM, A PUNCH CARD.
I THINK THAT WAS ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE FIRST OPENED.
AND, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE WENT THAT ROUTE.
I KNOW ANOTHER COMMUNITY USES A PUNCH CARD AND YOU'RE ABLE TO GO AND USE THEIR PUNCH CARDS.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THE SUPPLEMENTAL ON TO MONDAY?
[ County Assessments Authorization]
OKAY.NEXT IS ITEM THREE J COUNTY ASSESSMENT AUTHORIZATION.
SO THIS HAS BEEN, UH, THESE ASSESSMENTS HAVE BEEN PASSED AROUND.
SO ONE HAS THIS IN FRONT OF THEM.
THE EXHIBIT A WASN'T AVAILABLE AT THE TIME THE PACKET WAS DISTRIBUTED.
SO GIVEN THAT TO COUNSEL TO LOOK AT NOW, JIM, UH, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, TAKING
[02:25:01]
CARE OF THAT, TONY.AND, UM, UH, BECAUSE I WAS GONNA, UM, UH, SUMMARIZE HERE, UH, THE TYPES OF ASSESSMENTS THAT WE'VE GOT ON THOSE ATTACHMENTS.
UH, WE'VE GOT, UM, DELINQUENT WATER, SEWER, AND STORM WATERS TOTALING, UH, $5,422, UH, GRASS AND WEEDS ASSESSMENTS FOR 11,772.
UH, TRASH AND LITTER ASSESSMENTS FOR $5,351 AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ASSESSMENTS FOR $8,837 TOTAL.
AND, UH, THE COUNTY HAS ASKED THAT, UH, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO ONE MORE SET OF ASSESSMENTS, UH, TO PLEASE, UH, GET THIS PASSED, UM, AT YOUR LAST MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
SO THEY HAVE THE MONTH OF DECEMBER TO GET THESE ON THE, UH, TAX BILLS.
UH, I THINK THEY HAVE TO GET 'EM OUT BY THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY.
UH, 'CAUSE I THINK THEY'RE DUE IN FEBRUARY.
SO, UH, I'VE SAID THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION AND I WILL TAKE IT TO MY COUNSEL.
UH, OF COURSE, THIS WOULD REQUIRE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, UM, UM, TWO READINGS ON MONDAY AS WELL FOR THIS LEGISLATION, UH, TO BECOME EFFECTIVE, UH, IMMEDIATELY AND, UH, AND GET THOSE TO THE COUNTY.
SO THIS NEEDS A SECOND READING WAIVED MS, PLEASE.
AND IT IS EMERGENCY LEGISLATION BECAUSE IT WOULD NEED TO BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ 2024 City Budget]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS A 2024 CITY BUDGET.SO I KNOW COUNCIL HAD SOME, UM, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS, UH, THE WEEK I COULDN'T MAKE IT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY FOLLOWING THAT WEEK, WE ALSO HAD A CYBERSECURITY INCIDENT, UH, THAT HAS LOCKED DOWN SOME OF OUR SYSTEMS. SO CURRENTLY WE JUST GOT ACCESS TO THE FINANCE SYSTEM TODAY.
UM, WE STILL LACK ACCESS TO OUR SERVER, WHICH HOUSES ALL OF THE SPREADSHEETS THAT WE'RE UTILIZING FOR BUDGET DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE THOSE BACK AT THE LATEST AND PROBABLY REALISTICALLY BY NEXT FRIDAY.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T SEE A WAY TO DELIVER A 2024 BUDGET BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.
UM, JIM'S STAFF IS GONNA HAVE TO SPEND A GOOD CHUNK OF TIME AFTER NEXT WEEK RECOVERING AND REENTERING DATA, PROBABLY JUST TO GET THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM UP TO SPEED.
UM, AND THEN HIM AND I ARE GONNA HAVE TO WORK TIRELESSLY THROUGH DECEMBER, UM, TO PUT TOGETHER THAT BUDGET SO WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT.
BUT I, I UNFORTUNATELY, THIS INCIDENT SET US BACK A GOOD THREE WEEKS TO A MONTH, SO, OKAY.
AND YES, ANITA, AND YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE FOR THIS, RICK, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, LAST YEAR WHEN THERE WAS BUDGET ISSUES, YOU STATED, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO COME IN ON NEW YEAR'S EVE TO PASS A BUDGET, THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA DO.
SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THIS YEAR VERSUS LAST YEAR? WHY WE WOULD HAVE TO NOT HAVE A BUDGET BY DECEMBER 31ST? I'LL ANSWER THAT.
WELL, WELL, I I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING DIFFERENT IF IT'S READY.
I, I, I MEAN, IF, IF A BUDGET IS READY ON DECEMBER 31ST, I WOULD CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AND WE'D COME IN AND WE'D PASS THE BUDGET ON DECEMBER 31ST.
THERE, THERE IS NOTHING DIFFERENT OTHER THAN IS A BUDGET READY AND AVAILABLE TO BE VOTED ON? AND IF IT IS, WELL, WE COULD, I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT, NOT THROWING THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S READY AND AVAILABLE THEN, THEN WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT IF IT ISN'T, UM, IT ISN'T.
BUT I, I THINK, I MEAN, LOOK, I MEAN, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT, THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE LED UP TO THIS.
I MEAN, THIS IS A, A LOT OF, A LOT OF ISSUES HAVE GOT US HERE, UH, PROBABLY OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
AND THEN THE, THE LATEST ISSUE THAT WE HAVE CERTAINLY HASN'T HELPED.
UM, SO I'M NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I THINK IT'S JUST THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN.
IF, IF THE BUDGET DOESN'T GET PASSED UNTIL JANUARY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S GETTING FIRED, NOBODY'S LOSING THEIR JOB, NOBODY'S GETTING LAID OFF.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HAVING IT DONE IN JANUARY.
WE KNOW THERE'S X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT ARE AVAILABLE BASED ON THE 2020 ON THE 2023 BUDGET.
UM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, OF TIMING.
IF THERE'S A BUDGET READY, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL DO IT.
AND IF IT ISN'T, I MEAN, I LOOK, I THINK TO TONY HAD SAID IT VERY GOOD AT, AT THE OTHER ONE.
I'M NOT SURE IT WAS THE WORK SESSION I WAS AT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THE DISCUSSION IS HERE AND THE DISCUSSIONS HAD, WE CAN COMPEL THE DISCUSSION, BUT WE, WE CAN'T COMPEL THE BUDGET TO BE COMPLETED AND DONE THAT REQUIRES THE WORK OF, OF JIM AND, AND, AND, AND, AND BRIAN AND, AND THE CITY MANAGER TO GET IT DONE.
AND, AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS TO GET IT DONE,
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WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL WE WANT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT WITH IT.JUST, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY KNOW IT'S FORTHCOMING AND IT'S A MATTER OF TIMING.
BUT IF THERE'S A BUDGET READY, THEN REST ASSURED WE'LL COME IN AND WE'LL PASS THE BUDGET.
[ City Prohibition - Medical Marijuana Cultivators, Processors, And Retail Dispensaries]
UP IS ITEM THREE L, WHICH IS THE CITY PROHIBITION OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA, CULTIVATORS PROCESSORS, AND RETAIL DISPENSARIES.UH, SO THIS IS A, AN ITEM THAT RICHARD HAD REQUESTED.
SO WE'LL JUST LET RICHARD START FROM HERE.
UM, I DO WANT TO THANK OUR, OUR LAW DIRECTOR FOR TAKING THE TIME TO, UH, TO REVIEW THE, UH, UM, PROPOSED, UM, DRAFT, WORKING DRAFT IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, LET'S, LET'S JUST TALK BRASS TAX.
I, I THINK WE AS A CITY HAVE LOST OUT TREMENDOUSLY WHEN IT'S CON, WHEN IT HAS, WHEN IT COMES TO MEDICAL CANNABIS AND, UH, THE TAX REVENUE THAT THE CITY, UM, HAD AVAILABLE TO IT TO GO TOWARDS, UM, UH, PARKS.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE ALL OF MY DATA WITH ME, UM, AS IT IS, UH, LOCKED ON THE SERVER.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, UM, HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE THAT ON MONDAY.
UM, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S MY, UM, MY BELIEF THAT, UH, WITH THE PASSAGE OF ISSUE TWO, UNDERSTANDING THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES AS, UH, MR. MONTGOMERY HAD POINTED OUT IN HIS, UH, REVIEW.
UM, THIS WOULD OPEN UP, UH, THE, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR CULTIVATORS DISPENSARIES, UM, TO START THE LICENSING PROCESS WHEN IT COMES TO MEDICAL CANNABIS IN THE CITY.
UM, ALSO AS NOTED BY THE LAW DIRECTOR, AND WITH MY RESEARCH, A LOT OF THE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES, UM, THAT WILL COME WITH RECREATIONAL, UH, CANNABIS WILL BE ON THE BACKS OF THOSE ENTITIES, UM, UH, THAT HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, UH, MEDICAL CANNABIS SITES.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL, UM, AND, UH, MR. MONTGOMERY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I BELIEVE IT'S AN ADDITIONAL ER EXERCISE TAX OF 10%, UM, UM, THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE.
UM, I DO KNOW AT THE PRESENTATION, UM, BACK IN, UH, 2017, UM, I THINK IF WE LOOK AT THAT, AND I'M JUST RUNNING AT SOME ROUGH NUMBERS WE HAD POTENTIALLY, UM, IF MY CALCULATIONS ARE, ARE RIGHT, UM, UH, ROUGHLY ABOUT, UH, A MILLION AND A HALF TO 2 MILLION A YEAR, UH, IS WHAT WE HAVE POTENTIALLY LOST OUT ON, UM, SINCE, UM, A PARAGON AND THE SECOND, UH, ENTITY WHERE UNABLE TO LOCATE HERE IN THE CITY.
UM, NOW I KNOW THE, UM, UH, THE COMMERCE, UH, FOR THE STATE OF OHIO THAT HAS SET THE PROGRAM UP FOR MEDICAL CANNABIS HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB IN, IN KEEPING UP WITH THE TAX REVENUES.
UM, BUT AS I MADE MY CASE IN 2017, AND I WROTE SIX PIECES OF LEGISLATION, UM, DURING THAT COURSE OF THE YEAR, UM, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE CANNABIS ITSELF.
IT'S, IT'S ABOUT WHAT THE TAX REVENUE, THE AVAILABILITY, UH, WHAT THIS CITY IS MISSING OUT ON.
AND, AND I FEAR THAT IF WE DON'T MAKE A DECISION NOW, UM, AND I HOPE IT'S SOONER RATHER THAN LATER AND DOESN'T TAKE ANOTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, A YEAR LONG PROCESS, UM, THAT, UH, EITHER THIS CITY IS GOING TO STAND ON THE BELIEF THAT WE ARE GOING TO TOTALLY BAN, UH, CANNABIS OPERATIONS IN THE CITY, UM, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS NOT GOING TO DO, UH, MUCH TO THOSE, I BELIEVE STARTING IN, UH, DECEMBER 3RD, GIVE OR TAKE, UH, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT RECREATIONALLY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THEIR OWN HOME.
IT'S JUST SIMPLY, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THE REVENUE STREAM FOR IT.
UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT IS AT THIS POINT, UM, DECRIMINALIZED, UM, OFF THE BOOKS WHEN IT COMES TO CANNABIS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I'M KIND OF GETTING OFF TOPIC 'CAUSE WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT MEDICAL CANNABIS AND NOT RECREATIONAL, UH, AS THE LAW DIRECTOR HAD STATED IN MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM, UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, HIS APPROACH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN MINE.
UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE THE PLANNING, UM, DRAFT LEGISLATION THAT WAS COMPILED IN 27 WITH 2016 AND 2017, UM, THAT, UH, THAT COULD BE PUT INTO PLACE,
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UH, THAT WAS APPROVED, UM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UNANIMOUSLY BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, THAT COULD, UM, BE ENACTED BY THIS CO, UM, BY, UH, BY THIS COUNCIL AND, AND SET FORTH.I, I THINK IT DOES TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF, UM, UM, CULTIVATORS DISPENSARIES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, DISTANCE FROM SCHOOLS AND, AND, AND ALL THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT ALL THE FRAMEWORK WE JUST NEED TO ASK OURSELVES, UM, OUR, UH, WE, UH, WE WILLING TO REVERSE THIS PROHIBITION, THIS BAN, UM, OR ARE WE GONNA CONTINUE TO LOSE OUT AND LET, UH, UM, SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, UM, CONTINUE THIS, UM, OR A MISSED REVENUE STREAM? SO MAYOR, THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON FOR THIS CONVERSATION.
UH, IT CAN BE SHORT, IT CAN BE LONG, IT CAN BE IN DEPTH.
UM, I'VE GOT DATA TO BACK THIS THREE WAYS TO SUNDAY.
UM, BUT THERE IS OBVIOUSLY NO NEED FOR ME TO BRING ALL THAT YOU HAVE.
THE MINDSET IS THE SAME AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
AND THANKS FOR THE, FOR DISCUSSION, RICHARD AND I, I THINK THAT THERE'S NOT, UM, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS A, IS AFRAID TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING AND I, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT SOME OF THAT TAX REVENUE ACTUALLY HAS TURNED INTO ACTUAL REALIZED MONEY IN SOME OF THIS.
LIKE, I, I THINK RIVERSIDE, UM, APPROVED MEDICAL CANNABIS AND THEY HAVE SOME, THEY HAVE SOME DIS DISPENSARIES THERE.
SO I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I, AT FIRST TAKE, I MEAN, AND I, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THOSE REALIZED NUMBERS, BUT I'VE ALSO, BUT I'VE, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STREETS BEING PAVED WITH GOLD BECAUSE OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA JUST HASN'T COME TO FRUITION.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW, UM, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN RIVERSIDE, UH, WHO, WHO COMPLAIN TREMENDOUSLY THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO REPAVE THE POTHOLES ON SOME OF THEIR STREETS.
SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT THEY'D BE RECEIVING $2 MILLION OF, OF TAX REVENUE JUST FROM ONE SEPARATE STREAM.
AND, UH, THE CITIZENS THERE WON'T APPROVE ANY LEVIES TO TAKE CARE OF THE ROADS.
AND THE CITY ISN'T PAVING ANY OF THE ROADS.
UM, BEAVER CREEK IS IN A, IS IN A POSITION WHERE, UH, THEY'VE BEEN GOING BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS NOW FOR MULTIPLE TIMES ASKING FOR AN INCOME TAX BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH REVENUE THERE.
UH, 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AN INCOME TAX OR JUST THE SCHOOLS AND THE CITY ARE SPLITTING PROPERTY TAXES AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH REVENUE FOR THEM.
AND, UH, THROUGH THE MAYORS AND MANAGERS ASSOCIATION, I MEAN, AS PREVIOUS MAYOR OF BOB STONE AND WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION, THE THE MONEY WAS JUST NEVER REALIZED THAT THEY WERE PROMISED AND THEY WERE, AND THEY BELIEVED WAS GONNA BE THERE.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE JUST CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HEARD AND JUST FROM WHAT I CAN SEE WITH MY OWN EYES AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT, UM, IS THE REALITY, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE WHAT THOSE EXACT NUMBERS ARE, BUT LEADERS OF THOSE COMMUNITIES WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE.
UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT SAYING THE DISCUSSION IS NEVER GONNA BE HAD OR IT'S NOT WORTH HAVING, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S, DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION TO KNOW IF, IF NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME.
UM, MAYOR, IF I MAY FOR JUST A QUICK MOMENT, UNLESS YOU'RE IN ME THOUGHT.
UH, YEAH, BECAUSE, BECAUSE THERE'S ONE OTHER PIECE I WANT, I WANT TO, TO, TO, TO DO THIS.
SO I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY AND, AND CULTIVATORS THAT THAT BAN IS SEPARATE THAN THE RECREATIONAL SIDE.
BUT YOU DID MAKE THE POINT THAT I WAS WANTED TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD IS THAT THEY'RE STILL TIED TOGETHER.
BECAUSE IF, IF THIS, IF THIS BAN IS LIFTED AT THE MOMENT, IF THEN AN APPLICATION IS A, IS MADE AND APPROVED FOR A MEDICAL CANNABIS GROWER, THEN A RECREATIONAL GROWER CAN COME IN ON THE BACKS OF THAT AND, AND, AND DO THAT.
SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE DIRECTLY LINKED.
AND I THINK THE, UH, THE TIMING, UH, AGAIN, CERTAINLY WE UNDERSTAND THE VOTERS PASSED ISSUE TOO.
60 TO 60 40, I THINK 60 40 WAS, UM, WAS THE NUMBER HERE IN HUBERT.
SO WE KNOW WHAT, WE KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
UM, BUT THERE, THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A MEMBER OF THE OHIO MAYORS ALLIANCE AND THERE ARE, UH, IT WAS JUST AN ARTICLE IN THE DAYTON DAILY NEWSPAPER NOT TOO LONG AGO THAT THERE WAS, UH, THERE WAS A CONFERENCE CALL THERE.
THERE ARE A FEW, UH, CITIES IN THE MIAMI VALLEY THAT ARE, THAT ARE MEMBERS OF THE OMA.
UH, WE'RE ONE OF 'EM, MIDDLETOWN, BEAVER CREEKS, UM, KETTERING AND ALL OF THOSE LARGER CITIES HAVE
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SOME, SOME CONCERNS.UH, NOT EVERYBODY IS SURE WHAT THE STATE HOUSE IS GONNA DO IN TERMS OF, I THINK I, I READ THERE MIGHT BE UP TO SOME 800 DIFFERENT CHANGES OR, OR AMENDMENTS TO WHAT TO, TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT COULD BE.
WE DON'T OF, OF COURSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW YOU CAN GROW IT, YOU CAN, UH, OWN A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR PERSONAL POSSESSION THAT YOU'RE NOT SELLING ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND, AND NOBODY IS, I'M CERTAINLY NOT SAYING THAT THE LAW WAS PASSED, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT THAT, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, NOBODY CAN WALK THROUGH, UM, TOM CLOUD PARK OR ANY OTHER ONE OF OUR PARKS, YOU KNOW, DRINKING A, A FIFTH OF VODKA OUT IN THE OPEN WITHOUT THERE BEING SOME RAMIFICATION FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY GUIDELINES OR RULES ESTABLISHED FOR THAT FROM A, FROM A, A MARIJUANA BASIS.
SO, UH, I WILL AGREE WITH WHAT THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR JOHN HUSS SAID, THAT ALTHOUGH I AM FULLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE LAW IS AND WHAT THE, IN, WHAT THE INTENT BEHIND THE LAW WAS, THAT WAS PASSED.
BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT, UM, FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, WANNA TAKE THEIR KIDS TO THE PLAYGROUND AT SHO GATE PARK OR SOMEPLACE ELSE AND HAVE TO LEAVE BECAUSE THE SMELL OF MARIJUANA IS OVERWHELMING IN A PUBLIC SPACE IN A PUBLIC PARK.
SO I THINK THERE, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PARTS AND PIECES TO THIS ISSUE THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW YET.
AND IT, AND IT, AND I'M, I'M CLARIFYING THAT I'M NOT AGAINST HAVING THE CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO KNOW A LOT MORE BEFORE WE LOOK AT THIS ON A, ON A REAL SERIOUS LEVEL.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL GO BACK TO THE, EVEN ON THE, ON THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA SIDE, BECAUSE WE PUT THE, THE, THE BAN IN PLACE DIDN'T MEAN, AND I, AND I, I'M SURE THAT THIS MESSAGE WAS DELIVERED WELL BACK THEN.
AND PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE THE CITY PUT A VAN ON MEDICAL MARIJUANA, WE WEREN'T TELLING PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN'T USE IT.
THAT YOU CAN'T GO SOMEPLACE AND, AND BUY IT AND USE IT IF YOU'VE GOT A PRESCRIPTION AND IT'S MEDICALLY NECESSARY FOR YOU.
WE JUST HAD A CONCERN ABOUT, ABOUT BEING ONE OF THOSE FIRST COMMUNITIES IN THIS ENTIRE AREA, JUMPING, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANNA BE THE SEAL ON THE CLIFF JUMPING INTO WHAT MIGHT BE SHARK INFESTED WATERS AND, AND BE THE, THE TEST MARKET FOR THAT.
UM, BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THOSE RAMIFICATIONS WERE GONNA BE.
SO NO ONE HAS EVER TOLD ANYBODY THAT YOU CAN'T BUY OR PURCHASE OR OBTAIN MEDICAL MARIJUANA IF YOU NEED IT.
WE JUST WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING IT GROWN HERE AND THEN HAVING DISPENSARIES POP UP IN OUR SHOPPING CENTERS.
AND I THINK THAT IS STILL A CONCERN OF MINE THAT I HAVE, THAT IF THIS PARTICULAR BAND, AS YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS REVERSED AT THE MOMENT ON THE BACKS OF, OF ISSUE TWO THAT WAS JUST PASSED, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT'LL BE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, SO AS WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND WE KNOW WHAT THE STATE HOUSE IS GONNA DO ONCE WE KNOW WHAT, UM, AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD COMPANY WITH SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES, UH, LOCALLY THAT ARE IN THE OMA, UM, THAT ARE ALL KIND OF WAITING, WAITING AND SEEING.
AND, AND I'M NOT, AGAIN, I I'LL MAKE IT CLEAR, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, UH, FUTURE DISCUSSIONS AND, AND LOOKING INTO THIS IN, IN FURTHER DETAIL, BUT I DO THINK MY PERSONAL OPINION RIGHT NOW IS IT'S TOO SOON.
'CAUSE THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY UNKNOWNS.
RICHARD, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK, COME BACK TO MARK.
NO, I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE DISCUSSION AND THE THOUGHTS AROUND THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE LAW DIRECTOR HAD MENTIONED IN HIS, UH, RETURN CORRESPONDENCE, UM, THE, THE REVERSING OF THE PROHIBITION AND THE BAN, UM, DISCUSSION AND WORKING DRAFT PIECE OF LEGISLATION IS JUST FOR THAT IN ITSELF.
THE, THE LAW, UM, AND THE THOUGHT IS THAT THE ENTITIES, BECAUSE OF THE CERTIFICATIONS AND THE NUMBER OF LICENSINGS AVAILABLE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CULTIVATORS AND THE DISPENSARIES, UM, AND EVEN THE DISPENSER, UM, THE PROCESSORS, IS THAT THOSE ENTITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY TODAY OPERATING ON A MEDICAL CANNABIS, UM, SCENARIO, WOULD THEN HAVE THE AVAILABILITY IN CONFINES WITHIN THEIR SAME OPERATION TO CONVERT TO A RECREATIONAL.
UM, SO I KNOW BACK IN 20 16, 20 17, THERE WAS THIS THOUGHT THAT PEOPLE WERE GONNA BE RUNNING OUT THE BACK DOORS WITH BAGS OF MARIJUANA AND THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE, UH, YOU KNOW, SMELLS, YOU KNOW, KINDA LIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN, IN THE
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OLD SUPERMAN CARTOONS AND ALL THIS, NONE OF THAT HAS HAPPENED.AND, AND I WILL TELL YOU, IF YOU'RE EVER INTERESTED IN, IN VISITING A LEGITIMATE FACILITY THAT IS RAN PROPERLY BY PROFESSIONALS AND HAS HAD NO ISSUES, UM, THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, UH, COLLABORATED WITH THE CLARK COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, GO TO SPRINGFIELD, THEY, THEY HAVE A, AN AMAZING FACILITY SUCH AS WHICH THAT WE COULD ADD AT A GLOBE.
AND THAT HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB FOR THAT COMMUNITY AND FOR THE MEDICAL CANNABIS, UM, UH, UM, PATIENTS THAT, THAT, UM, CULTIVATOR AND THAT PROCESSOR, UM, SERVICES, UM, ALMOST 75% OF SOUTHWESTERN OHIO.
AND, AND TO THINK THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO TURN, TURN THAT SAME FACILITY FOR RECREATIONAL.
AND IF ANY ONE OF US IN THIS ROOM DON'T THINK THAT THE TAX MONIES FROM MEDICAL CANNABIS TO RECREATIONAL CANNABIS IS NOT GOING TO BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN TAKE A DRIVE UP NORTH, UM, UH, TO THE, UH, TEAM THAT, UH, UH, THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES WILL TAKE CARE OF THIS WEEKEND AND ASK THEM WHAT IT'S DONE FOR THEM.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S ASTRONOMICAL.
I MEAN, THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT I, I WILL LEAVE THIS ONE POINT.
IT, IT'S NOT MY BELIEF THAT THIS BAN'S GOING TO GET OVERTURNED THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
UM, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AND, AND I'LL LEAVE THIS WITH THIS CITY DID A, A SOME WILL SAY A SCIENTIFIC, SOME WILL ARGUE IN NON-SCIENTIFIC, UH, JUST BECAUSE, UH, IT DIDN'T TURN OUT IN A CERTAIN FASHION, BUT WE, WE CONTRACTED WITH THE IMPACT GROUP AND DID A SURVEY OF THIS COMMUNITY PHONE AND INTERNET.
AND COME TO FIND OUT THOSE SAME SURVEY NUMBERS ACTUALLY INCREASED WHEN IT CAME TO THE, TO THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER, WHERE EVERY WARD IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS APPROVED ISSUE TWO EVERY WORD.
SO I THINK IT TAKES IT UPON US AS ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THOSE WHO ARE COUNCIL ELECTED, UM, THAT WILL BE TAKING OFFICE IN JANUARY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE FOLKS OF THIS COMMUNITY SPOKE AT THE BALLOT BOX.
IT'S NOW TIME FOR US AS POLICY MAKERS TO DETERMINE HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE FORWARD IN THIS COMMUNITY AND BECOME, IN MY OPINION, BUSINESS FRIENDLY, UM, TO A BUSINESS THAT NOT EVERYONE MAY AGREE WITH AT, AT THE KITCHEN TABLE, BUT AS A COMMUNITY, THEY SPOKE, THE STATE HAS SPOKE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO, TO MOVE THAT FORWARD IN A, IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER? THANK YOU, MAYOR RICHARD.
AND, UM, SO I JUST, AGAIN, I I WANT TO KINDA MAKE IT, HOPEFULLY MAKE IT CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE, UM, WHERE THE, WHERE THE VOTERS SPOKE.
UM, I THINK MY ONLY, MY ONLY CONTENTION WITH ANY OF THIS IS, IS MAKING SURE THAT IF, IF AND WHEN ANY CHANGES ARE MADE, THAT IT'S DONE WITH ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S DONE IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER TO WHERE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING, WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO, AND THAT WE'VE HAD THE, THE TIME AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO INVESTIGATE THAT INFORMATION.
THE SAME AS, UM, A A LOT OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE AREA WHO, WHO REALIZE THE SAME AS WE DO THAT, UH, THIS IS COMING DOWN THE PIKE AND WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT THE MOST RESPONSIBLE, UM, WAY TO TAKE CARE OF IT, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN IN THE CONFINES OF THE LAW, THAT ISSUE TO THE PASSED, WE ARE STILL DOING THE RIGHT THING, UH, THE RIGHT THING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, BUT, BUT I AGREE THAT THAT CONVERSATION NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE, THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, UH, IN FURTHER DETAIL.
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT TIME WILL COME JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT, WE KNOW WHAT THE VOTER SAID.
UM, SO THAT I'LL, I'LL KINDA LEAVE MY COMMENTS AT THAT.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE, UH, HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? MARK? YES, MARK? YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOU, RICHARD, THAT WE WON'T SEE A CHANGE THIS YEAR, BUT I WOULD WELCOME PLEASE THE INFORMATION ONCE YOU GET IT OFF THE SERVER.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AND BE ABLE TO READ AND STUDY THAT.
IF, IF THERE'S ONE THING I CAN, I CAN LEAVE YOU ALL HERE WITH TODAY IS, MY HOPE IS THAT THIS CONVERSATION DOES CONTINUE.
I WILL BE PRESENTING, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT EVIDENCE AND, AND FACTS THAT I HAVE, UH, COMPILED, UH, THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND, UH, AND THE CANNABIS CONTROL BOARD.
UM, BUT, UH, BUT YEAH, WITH SOME NEW VENTURES COMING UP IN THE NEXT YEAR, UM, I CAN BET YOU MY LAST BUFFALO NICKEL, YOU'LL SEE ME AT THAT PODIUM AGAIN WHEN THIS TOPIC COMES UP.
RICHARD, I WAS JUST GONNA TO SAY, YOU'RE NOT MOVING, ARE YOU? NO, NO, SIR.
I EXPECT TO SEE YOU RIGHT THERE.
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THANK YOU.ANYONE ELSE? YESENIA? I HAVE TO SAY I'M TORN COMING FROM THE
I AM VERY, VERY TORN ABOUT THIS.
I SEE THE ONE SIDE OF ISSUE TOO WAS SO MUCH IS BEING TAINTED WITH FENTANYL RIGHT NOW, MARIJUANA INCLUDED, THAT IT CAN BE REGULATED.
SO THAT'S THE PLUS SIDE OF THIS ISSUE.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS ISSUE SITTING HERE WITH A FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD COMING FROM ADDICTION, DO I WANT THIS IN MY BACKYARD? PROBABLY NOT.
SO I AM SO TOSSED AND TURNED ON THIS ISSUE, AND I REALLY WANT US TO DISCUSS IT OUT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ME SITTING HERE ON COUNCIL YEAH.
IF THERE'S A GREAT REVENUE STREAM, HMM, WE REALLY HAVE TO WEIGH THAT.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO WEIGH OUT OUR FAMILIES IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SO I'M VERY TOSSED AND I CAN'T SAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER HOW I WOULD VOTE FOR THIS.
ANITA, I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.
'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I, I DO LOOK AT THIS, UM, IT IS A STRUGGLE.
YOU KNOW, I WORK WITH TEENAGERS EVERY DAY, KIDS WHO ARE 14 TO 18 YEARS OLD, AND WHEN YOU SEE SOME OF THE, UM, ISSUES THEY DEAL WITH AND FAMILY ISSUES THEY DEAL WITH, THAT THEY COME TO SCHOOL WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, IT IS, IT IS TOUGH.
I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE A HARD ENOUGH TIME JUST, YOU KNOW, KEEPING CHERRY FLAVORED NICOTINE VAPES OUTTA THE BATHROOMS IN, IN SCHOOL.
AND, AND I DO, I THINK, I MEAN, AND I REALIZE THIS, I'M JUST, I'M SPEAKING FROM THE HEART HERE, BUT, AND I REALIZE THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN AND, AND ISSUE TWO PASSED, I GET IT.
BUT THE PERSONAL SIDE AND, AND, AND WORKING WITH THOSE KIDS EVERY DAY AND SEEING WHAT HAPPENS, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
I MEAN, LOOK, I, I'M SITTING IN A CLASS, YOU KNOW, CLASSROOMS EVERY DAY NOW WITH, YOU KNOW, STUDENTS OF KIDS ASKING ME, YOU KNOW, 15 YEAR OLD MR. GORE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? MM-HMM.
I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF, KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE, UM, IT, IT, IT IS, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID, ANITA, MORE THAN YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, I, I, I MEAN, NOT FROM A, A PERSONAL SIDE AT HOME, BUT, UM, AND I'M AROUND THOSE KIDS EVERY DAY AND I JUST, AND I KNOW, I JUST KNOW HOW DANGEROUS SOME OF THAT PATH CAN BE.
AND IT'S, UM, I SEE IT ALREADY EVEN WHEN IT, WHEN IT, WHEN IT WASN'T LEGAL.
SO IT, IT, I GOTTA BE HONEST, IT SCARES THE S**T OUTTA ME.
ALSO, I WANNA STATE THAT IN MY FIVE YEARS OF WORKING IN THE ADDICTION FIELD, I CAN PROBABLY COUNT ON ONE HAND HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEIR ADDICTION DID NOT START WITH MARIJUANA.
AND IT LED IT UP TO WHERE IT IS NOW.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT MARIJUANA CAUSES AN ADDICTION, BUT IT'S A PATHWAY THAT'S OFTEN TAKEN THAT, OH, I TRIED THIS.
LET ME, LET ME TRY A LITTLE MORE.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT KIND OF LED TO.
SO I AM REALLY, AS I SAID, PART OF ME KIND OF WANTS IT OFF THE STREET AND IN A FACILITY WHERE IT'S MONITORED 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S NOT GONNA GET TAINTED THAT WAY.
AND THAT WE CAN SAVE MORE LIVES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND SO THAT PART OF ME IS REALLY, YES, I AM OKAY WITH US DOING THIS.
THE OTHER PART OF ME IS LIKE, UH, DO WE REALLY WANNA GET INTO THAT, THAT THREADS OF STUFF.
I, I THINK IN THE END I THINK IT DOES DESERVE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN AND, AND I THINK IT DOES DESERVE OUR TIME AND ENERGY AND DISCUSSION AND FOCUS.
BUT I THINK IT IS SUCH A, A PRIORITY MATTER BASED ON IT BECOMING STATE LAW NOW THAT IT DOES DESERVE OUR ATTENTION AND, AND, AND FULL DISCUSSION TO, TO DO THIS, UH, IN THE MOST RESPONSIBLE MANNER POSSIBLE.
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, IT IS 10 0 6 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.