[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE HEBREW HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.UH, BUT AGAIN, WANTED TO WELCOME EVERYBODY, AND THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO TONY, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
[2. Approval Of Minutes]
THE AGENDA, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.UH, ITEM TWO A IS MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 3RD, 2023.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY MINUTES THAT NEED TO BE APPROVED.
SO IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS, CHANGES, THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
[ City Manager Report]
A, WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT UNDER OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS THIS EVENING.SO, RICK, GOOD TO SEE YOU, AND, UH, WHAT DO YOU GOT FOR US THIS EVENING? UH, WELL, GIVEN THE UPCOMING PUBLIC SAFETY LEVY AND, UH, RECENT DISCUSSION AMONGST COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO USE MY COMMENTS TONIGHT TO ADDRESS THE, UH, POLICE STAFFING DISCUSSION, UM, TO START, AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE VOTERS ARE GOING TO THE BALLOT BOX THROUGHOUT THE NEXT THREE WEEKS.
IT'S, UH, IMPORTANT TO MYSELF AND CITY STAFF THAT OUR RESIDENTS TRUST THAT WE'RE MAKING WELL-RESEARCHED AND WELL THOUGHT OUT DATA-DRIVEN DECISIONS.
TO THAT END, TWO WEEKS AGO, I ASKED COUNSEL WITH THE SUPPORT OF CHIEF LIGHTNER TO POSTPONE ANY DECISION REGARDING ADDITIONAL POLICE STAFFING UNTIL WE COULD ANALYZE ADDITIONAL DATA AND DECIDE ON THE BEST PATH FORWARD.
THAT REQUEST WAS MADE BY ME ALONE AND WITHOUT ANY INFLUENCE FROM ANY PARTICULAR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, AS WAS SUGGESTED LAST WEEK.
ADDITIONALLY, MY OPINION IS NOT CHANGED ON THE MATTER.
THE DATA IN QUESTION IS CURRENTLY BEING COLLECTED BY A NEUTRAL THIRD PARTY AND IS EXPECTED TO BE PRESENTED AT THE CITY IN DECEMBER.
THE INFORMATION WE GATHER FROM THE ANALYSIS WILL PROVIDE US WITH INFORMATION ON THE SHIFT ACTIVITY OF PATROL PERSONNEL, WHICH WILL HELP US IDENTIFY THE CORRECT NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL STAFF IN WHAT AREA OF THE DIVISION ADDITIONAL STAFF SHOULD BE PLACED, AND WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD PURSUE A MEDIATION OR CRISIS RESPONSE SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AS COUNCIL WILL BE BRIEFED LATER DURING THIS WORK SESSION, THERE ARE SMALL ADJUSTMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL STAFFING SHORTFALL CITYWIDE BEFORE CREATING PERMANENT POSITIONS.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TONIGHT.
UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FOR, UH, FOR RICK AS FAR AS HIS UPDATE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OH, I'M, I'M GOOD, MAYOR.
I'LL ADDRESS EVERYTHING WITHIN THE AGENDA.
[ Military And Veterans Commission Update]
THREE, UH, B, WHICH IS OUR MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION UPDATE.UH, SO WE HAVE MEMBERS FROM THE COMMISSION HERE THIS EVENING AND LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, HEARING THAT UPDATE.
SO, MR. UH, HANCOCK IS THE CURRENT CHAIR, SO HE'S GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, THOUGH I THINK WE HAVE, UH, FOUR OR FIVE OF THE MEMBERS HERE AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE UPDATE.
SO WE RECEIVED, UH, NEW MEMBERS IN 2023, MYSELF BEING ONE OF THEM, UH, AS WELL AS LARRY JOHNSON.
UH, SO WE'VE ALSO VOTED IN THE NEW CHAIR FOR THE COMMISSION.
AND THAT'S, UH, MR. ANTHONY WINDSOR.
UH, SINCE THE START OF THE, UH, PAVER PROGRAM, UH, WE'VE HAD ONLY 14, UH, PAVERS SO FAR.
WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE, UH, MORE THAN THOSE, PROBABLY AROUND 50.
UH, BUT SINCE WE HAVEN'T GOT ANY TRACTION ON THAT YET SO FAR, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE 14, UH, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
UH, AND THIS YEAR, THE VETERANS DAY, UH, REESE CEREMONY, UH, WILL BE HELD AT THOMAS CLOUD PARK, UH, FOR VETERANS MEMORIAL DAY.
AND THAT WILL BE ON, UH, 11 NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
UH, AND THAT WILL BE AT, UH, FOUR O'CLOCK.
AND THAT IS REALLY ALL THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO WANNA INTRODUCE THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE AS FAR COMMISSION? YEP.
FORMER, UH, CHAIR AND CURRENT CHAIR PERSON.
I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR LONG INTERVIEW.
I HAVE BAD LEGS, THAT'S WHY I DO THIS.
TO THIS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE, UH, COMMISSION.
AND I WILL SAY AS THE, THE YOUNGEST PERSON WITH THE COMMISSION, IT'S BEEN HONORED TO WORK WITH THEM, UH, GAIN THE KNOWLEDGE FROM THEM, UH, AND HELP THE COMMUNITY, UH, AS FAR AS THE MILITARY IN VETERANS AFFAIRS COMMISSION IS CONCERNED.
SO I THINK, IS THERE, UM, I MEAN, FROM A, FROM A A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE OR A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, JUST MARKETING ADVERTISING, IS THERE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP PROGRESS ALONG THE, THE PAVER PROGRAM? UH, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, FROM THE WEBSITE, MAKING IT MORE PROMINENT OR JUST AT LEAST LETTING PEOPLE MORE PEOPLE KNOW THAT'S AVAILABLE? BECAUSE WHEN WE DID THE FLAGS, I MEAN, THAT WAS, THAT WAS A BIG DEAL.
I MEAN, THOSE, THE, THE FLAGS WERE, I MEAN, PICKED UP JUST LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK LIKE MOST THINGS, IT'S ALL ABOUT COMMUNICATION, EDUCATION.
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PEOPLE REALLY KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND THOSE THINGS ARE AVAILABLE, I THINK MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE, UM, APTT TO, TO, TO BUY INTO THAT PROGRAM.SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO AS A CITY, AS A STAFF TO, TO, TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THAT I THINK WOULD BE APPRECIATED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE.
NANCY, UH, AT A VERY MINIMUM, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE PUT AN INFORMATIONAL SIGN AT THE VETERAN'S MEMORIAL, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW, ALLOW PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY IT, WHO THEY NEED TO CONTACT, WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
I'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF INQUIRIES, AND LIKE YOU SAID, I THINK THERE'S MORE THAT WE CAN DO TO GET THE WORD OUT AND, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A, A HUGE INTEREST.
BUT NOT EVERYBODY COMES TO OUR WEBSITE.
I'LL DEFINITELY START WORKING ON THAT WITH MIKE AND WE'LL GET, GET SOME THINGS PUT TOGETHER.
WOULD THERE BE ANY WAY YOU GUYS COULD, I THINK THERE WAS AT ONE TIME FLYERS, RIGHT? AND WE DIS DISTRIBUTE THEM TO THE VETERANS VFWS AND THE OTHER, WHAT ABOUT MONTGOMERY COUNTY VETERANS COMMISSION? WOULD THEY, OH, YOU LIVE IN HERE, BUT THIS IS AVAILABLE TO YOU TOO.
COULD THEY ALSO HELP US PUSH IT? WOULD THEY BE WILLING TO HELP US PUSH IT? DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT.
UH, I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY THEY WOULDN'T.
UM, I DON'T SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WOULD STOP THEM FROM DOING THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK IN AS WELL.
COULD, COULD WE ALSO POST SOMETHING IN THE LIBRARY? SURE.
I WOULD, UM, UH, RECOMMEND, WE USED TO DO THE QUARTERLY NEWSLETTER IN THE, UH, WATER BILL.
I THINK THAT RELAY A LOT OF INFORMATION TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, THAT DON'T JUMP ONLINE OR WHATEVER.
I KNOW OURS HUNG ON OUR FRIDGE EVERY TIME WE GOT ONE SO THAT WE COULD SEE WHAT'S COMING UP AND SOME DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND I THINK MAYBE THAT NEWSLETTER WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA AND GET A PIECE IN THERE ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THE PROGRAM.
AND THAT'S GONNA GET TO EVERYBODY WITH, UH, THE WATER BILL.
SO I, I WILL SAY ONE THING THAT I'VE NOTICED AS WELL.
UH, SO IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN CHAMBERSBURG THAT, UM, SIGN THAT THAT'S, UM, THE DIGITAL SIGN THAT'S THERE.
I DID SEE THAT THAT WAS ON THE SIGN AS WELL.
UH, THE ONLY ISSUE WITH THAT IS, IS PROBABLY LIKE FIVE SECONDS AND THEN IT'S GONE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS CONTROL OVER THAT OR, OR THE TIMEFRAME ON, ON, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG THAT, UH, SHOWS ANYTHING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THAT INFORMATION, AT LEAST GIVE 'EM TIME TO, TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE SOME SPACE ON THAT MM-HMM.
I MEAN, THEY, BECAUSE THEY'RE SELLING ADVER, YOU KNOW, KEY IS SELLING ADVERTISEMENTS UP THERE.
SO THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE, THE TIME THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, DOES, DOES GO BY, DOES GO BY QUICK.
UH, I THINK THAT PROBABLY THE GOAL OF THAT IS TO GET PEOPLE IF THEY SEE IT AND THEN TO INQUIRE TO THE CITY ABOUT IT.
BUT THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT'S DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB EITHER.
WE WOULD HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN INQUIRING ABOUT IT.
WE KNOW WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS, I THINK ONE OF THE LATEST, UM, VETERANS DAY CELEBRATIONS WE HAD THERE, ONE OF THE, UM, COMMANDERS THAT RIGHT, PAT SAID, I THINK WE HAVE AT LEAST IN THE AREA, THE LARGEST, UH, VETERAN BASE OF, OF ANY CITY AROUND, RIGHT.
SO, I MEAN, WE KNOW WE'VE GOT A HUGE, HUGE, HUGE VETERAN, UM, POPULATION HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S JUST ABOUT EDUCATION INFORMATION, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING THIS, AND I THINK WE WILL SEE A TREMENDOUS RESPONSE IF WE JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE WORD OUT.
THE THE OTHER THING IS, IS IT'S NOT JUST A KEY AD SIGN, THE ONE THAT'S IN CLOUD PARK, AND WE NEED TO MODIFY THE MASS MESSAGE THAT GOES ON THOSE TWO BOARDS INTO SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE A, YOU KNOW, JUST A COUPLE SECOND BLURB.
NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DATA THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN GETTING A, A PAVER, A, A MEMORIAL PAVER, I MEAN, EVEN IF THEY JUST CALL THIS NUMBER RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING QUICK.
AND, AND YOU GO BY A COUPLE TIMES, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GRAB INFORMATION EVENTUALLY YOU'LL PICK UP TO IT'LL INFORMATION.
AND AGAIN, WELCOME TO THE COMMISSION.
[ Water Infrastructure Update]
IS OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.UM, I DID SUBMIT THREE, THE THREE, UH, UH, I GUESS THEY'RE, UH, ONE OF 'EM A GRAPH AND THE OTHER ONE'S WOULD BE A TYPICAL, UH, SPREADSHEET SHOWING OUR PROJECTS.
UH, THE ONLY CHANGES WE HAD ON THIS, UH, THE WATER MAIN BREAK SHEET, UH, DOES NOW HAVE SEPTEMBER.
THERE WERE THREE WATER MAIN BREAKS IN SEPTEMBER.
UH, ONE OF THOSE WAS JUST A LEAKING, UM, UH, JOINT, SO IT REALLY WASN'T A WATER MAIN BREAK, SO IT REALLY ONLY HAD TWO THAT PAST MONTH.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER GRAPH WE HAVE FOR THE BAR GRAPH THAT'S SHOWN IN THERE, UH, IS FOR THE 2023 WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
AND WE ARE IN THE FIRST SECTION WITH, UH, M AND T EXCAVATING IS WORKING ON TOMBERG CURRENTLY.
AND THEY PLAN ON HAVING THAT DONE IN DECEMBER.
AND THEN, UH, IN JANUARY, HUBBARD,
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UH, CG CONSTRUCTION, OUR OTHER CONTRACTOR IS PLANNING ON STARTING AT THAT TIME.SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW WITH THAT.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RUSS? REGARDING, SO THE, JUST REAL QUICK, SO THOSE TWO MAIN BREAKS THAT WE HAD, JUST FOR ANYBODY WHO'S LISTENING, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR OVERALL NUMBER OF BREAKS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, KIND OF SINCE WATER SOFTENING? I KNOW THE LAST TIME YOU GAVE US AN UPDATE, YOU SAID WE'RE REALLY KIND OF FALLING BACK EVEN PRE COVID.
RIGHT? WE'RE TYPICALLY, SO, SO WHAT DOES THAT DO? WELL, TYPICALLY WE'RE GETTING, UH, ANYWHERE FROM ONE TO FIVE AT THE MOST IN A MONTH, WHICH RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 24 FOR THE YEAR, WHICH FOR THREE MORE MONTHS IF IT CONTINUES, WE'LL ONLY HAVE LOW THIRTIES AND THAT IS WAY LOW.
WE USED TO HAVE ABOUT AT LEAST 50 BEFORE, UH, SOFTENING.
SO I THINK THE MESSAGE REALLY IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WORKING.
THE, THE STUFF WE'RE REPLACING WAS THE BAD STUFF.
WE'RE STILL DOING THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S BROUGHT US DOWN A LOT OF HOW MANY WE'RE HAVING, SO, PERFECT.
IS THERE A MONTH OR A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WATER MAIN BREAKS ARE, UM, HIGHER THAN THE REST OF THE YEAR? YEAH, IT TENDS TO BE, UH, TYPICALLY IN, WELL DECEMBER WE, IF IT GETS REALLY COLD, WE HAVE A LOT OF 'EM.
LIKE LAST CHRISTMAS EVE WE HAD FOUR IN ONE DAY.
SO TYPICALLY WHEN IT'S THAT COLD, IT HAPPENS.
OR IN FREE FALL, SPRING, SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS, OR, UH, YEAH, WHEN, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE WINTER IT STARTS THE FALL, THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE SOME BREAKS THEN.
SO EVEN CALCULATING, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU TOOK DECEMBER INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, FOR THAT GUESSTIMATE? YEAH.
I THINK IT'LL BE IN THE THIRTIES.
[ Levy Update]
ITEM THREE D, WHICH IS THE, UH, THE LEVEE UPDATE.UM, SO AS, UH, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE AWARE, EARLY VOTING'S NOW OPEN, UM, THE CITY HAS DEVELOPED MAILERS TO GO OUT TO ALL RESIDENTS, UH, AS WELL AS YARD SIGNS.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE ARE SIGNS IN THE BACK FOR YOU TO TAKE, UH, AFTER THE MEETING TODAY.
UM, THOSE MAILERS ARE BEING PRINTED, UH, THIS WEEK AND SHOULD GO OUT SOON.
UM, THE LEVY HAS BEEN MARKETED AT NUMEROUS PUBLIC EVENTS.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE PASSED AROUND NOW.
UM, MAINLY THE FARMER'S MARKET, MARIGOLD FESTIVAL, SUMMER MUSIC SERIES, UH, FIRE DIVISION, OPEN HOUSE, HOMECOMING PARADE PROMISE, HUBER HAUNTS BITES IN THE HEIGHTS.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUBLICITY, UM, BEING DONE WITH THE LEVY.
UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ABOUT IS THAT, AND THIS IS KIND OF THE MAIN MESSAGE THAT WE'RE GOING WITH, UH, AS A CITY, IS THIS IS NOT A NEW TAX AND IT'S DEDICATED TO POLICE AND FIRE.
SO I DID WANNA READ FROM THE ORDINANCE COUNCIL PAST, UH, THIS PAST JULY, UM, SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, OHIO, A CONTINUATION OF AN EXISTING 0.25% LEVY ON INCOME TO PROVIDE FOR POLICE AND FIRE PUBLIC SAFETY AND SUPPORT.
UM, SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS THIS MONEY CANNOT BE USED FOR ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN POLICE AND FIRE NEEDS.
AM I ACCURATE THERE, JIM? YES.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERNS THAT THE MONEY COULD BE USED ELSEWHERE.
IT CANNOT, UM, BY THE TERMS OF THE ORDINANCE.
UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY IS DOING ITS WORK, UH, ON THE LEVY.
UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE POLICE AND FIRE UNIONS ARE ALSO DOING SOME WORK.
AND I WANTED TO INVITE, UM, CHIEF, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK TO IT OR INVITE SOMEBODY UP TO SPEAK TODAY? UH, WE HAVE, UH, MARK HAN AND, UH, UM, ADAM TEMPLE FROM THE FIREFIGHTERS UNION, AND CORY EGRESS AND MATT BLAIR.
I THINK THEY'VE ALL KIND OF COME UP TO SPEAK TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING SO CLOSELY TOGETHER.
SO I WOULD ASK THEM TO COME UP AND TALK TO YOU.
SO IF YOU GUYS WANNA TELL US WHAT YOU GUYS ARE UP TO DO I HAVE TO PUSH? OKAY.
UM, SO AFTER THE WAS IT MAY, THE LACK OF SUCCESS IN MAY, WE BASICALLY DECIDED THAT, UM, FOR OUR CONTINU CONTINUED FUNDING, THE BEST THING WE COULD DO WAS GET INVOLVED.
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, WE HAVE STARTED WITH, UM, WE'VE SOUGHT OUT DONATIONS TO HELP WITH FUNDING.
SO NONE OF THE MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING IS COMING FROM ANYWHERE CITY RELATED.
IT'S ALL BEEN PRIVATE DONORS AND SUCH.
WE HAVE BEEN AT, UH, MULTIPLE EVENTS, INCLUDING, AGAIN, HUBER, HANS, THE OPEN HOUSE, UM, THE BITES AND THE HEIGHTS.
WE ARE STARTING WALKING EVERY SATURDAY, SUNDAY FROM 10 TO TWO.
SO IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN COMING OUT AND HELPING, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME.
UH, WE WILL BE AT THE Y M C A TRUNK
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RETREAT ON THE 22ND, I BELIEVE IS WHEN THAT IS.21ST, 22ND WHILE THOSE TWO DAYS.
AND WE'LL BE WORKING AT THE POLLS ON THE SEVENTH.
UH, WE HAVE HANDOUTS, UM, KIND OF JUST AN ADDITIONAL FLYER FOR PEOPLE TO SEE.
UM, WE ARE WORKING ON YARD SIGNS.
THOSE SHOULD BE PICKED UP AND DELIVERED TOMORROW, I THINK'S.
THE ACTUAL DAY, THE, YEAH, THE 18TH.
AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME LARGE, UM, LIKE THREE BY FIVE SIGNS THAT CAN GO UP AND, UM, SOME OF THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO US.
UM, WHAT LOCATIONS MAY WE PICK THESE UP? IS IT ONLY STATION 22 OR, UH, RIGHT NOW I DO BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM ARE OUT WHEREVER THEY NEED TO GO.
ANYWHERE THEY, ANY, WE CAN BRING THEM OR GET THEM TO ANYBODY THAT NEEDS THEM ANYWHERE YOU WANT.
UM, I CAN GET WITH YOU, UH, TODAY, TOMORROW, AT ANY POINT TOMORROW.
I WAS GONNA STOP BY THE FIRE STATION.
I CAN HAVE, I CAN, I CAN GET THAT SET UP FOR YOU.
UM, I JUST APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, UH, HAD DECIDED TO DO TO, YOU KNOW, TO PUT FORTH THIS EFFORT.
UM, IT WOULD HELP TO HELP GET THIS, UH, HELP GET THIS PASSED.
I THINK, UH, EVERYONE HERE ON THIS DICE UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE, UH, OF CONTINUING THE FUNDING.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE KNOW THIS, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS IT COMES DOWN TO NEW MONEY OR EXISTING MONEY THAT, UM, THAT THIS IS A RENEWAL OF EX OF AN EXISTING LEVY THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO THE, THE MORE PEOPLE WE HAVE THAT CAN GET THAT MESSAGE OUT, THE BETTER.
UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 20 VOTES THAT KEPT THIS, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THE MAY BALLOT, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME, UH, WE HAD SOME, WE HAD SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE, UH, A LITTLE MORE HIGH PROFILE WHO WERE, WHO WERE AGAINST IT, WHICH I THINK WAS EXTREMELY UNFORTUNATE.
'CAUSE, UM, I'LL JUST CALL THEM BAD ACTORS, UM, WHO I THINK WOULD PROBABLY RATHER SEE HARM DONE THAN GOOD IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING.
BUT, UH, THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PICKED UP THE, THE TORCH ON THIS AND, AND ARE LOOKING TO CARRY IT FORWARD, UM, SAYS A LOT ABOUT ALL OF YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATIONS.
AND, AND I, FOR ONE, AM EXTREMELY APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DECIDED TO DO AND DONE.
AND I'D LIKE TO, UM, THANK ALL THE PRIVATE DONORS WHO'VE FOUND IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO, UH, TO DONATE MONEY TOWARD THIS, UH, CAMPAIGN TO, TO GET THIS THING DONE.
SO, UH, ON BEHALF OF ME AND MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE ON COUNCIL WOULD WANNA SPEAK TO THAT TOO.
UH, BUT AT LEAST CERTAINLY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING TOO.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT WE DON'T WANNA DO IS, UH, TRIP OVER EACH OTHER AND HANDING THESE OUT.
ARE YOU GUYS, CAN YOU KEEP A RUNNING LIST ON YOUR DOOR OR SOMETHING OF THE PLACES, THE AREAS YOU'VE HAD? SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE, UM, UP TO THIS POINT, WHAT'S BEEN DONE, UM, ALL OF THE PRECINCTS IN THE CITY HAVE BEEN BASICALLY MAPPED OUT ALL OF THE, UM, REGISTERED VOTERS, ALL OF THE NO SOLICITOR, UM, EVERY, ANYBODY THAT'S MARKED, NO SOLICITING, ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN, UM, BASICALLY IT'S BEEN OVERLAID TO WHERE EVERY ADDRESS THAT HAS A REGISTERED VOTER, WE HAVE, UH, AN ADDRESS WE HAVE, WHETHER THEY'RE SOLICITING, NO SOLICITING, AND THEN WE'RE USING THAT.
SO OUR SYSTEM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A GOOD WAY TO KIND OF LIKE DISPERSE THAT TO PEOPLE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, ANYBODY THAT, THAT WANTS TO OR HAS THE TIME OR THE ABILITY WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME OUT AT ANY POINT.
I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE APPROACHED US AND ACTUALLY I SAT SATURDAY, SUNDAY, SUNDAY, YEAH.
WAS OUT WITH, UH, ONE OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS WALKING, SO, OKAY.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, THE WAY OUR SYSTEM IS RIGHT NOW AND NOT, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO KIND OF PASS THAT, TO MAKE IT, I GUESS, PUBLIC AND OR NOT, NOT EVEN PUBLIC TO MAKE IT SURE.
AND AND YOU SAID IT'S 10 TO TWO ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, 10 TO TWO SATURDAY SUNDAYS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
AND THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER EVENTS AS WELL, OTHER DAYS WE'RE GONNA TRY, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE SET THAT SPECIFICALLY WORK FOR US AND THE WAY OUR SCHEDULES WORK.
UM, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA FOR JUST A MOMENT.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY WHOEVER IT IS, UH, WITHIN YOUR GROUP OR WHOEVER THE GROUP IS THAT IS DOING THAT, THE INFORMATION YOU'RE PUTTING OUT IS FACTUAL.
IT, UH, DISPELS THE, THE MYTHS AND RUMORS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
UH, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU A GREAT JOB BECAUSE, UM, IT'S A FRONTLINE
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BATTLE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO JUST POP UP WITH THESE ASSUMPTIONS ON SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS A LEVEE.YOUR ANSWERS HAVE BEEN SPOT ON TO ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CONCERNS PEOPLE HAVE HAD.
SO I JUST WANNA APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT.
AND THEN BEFORE WE FINISH, UH, THERE IS A VIDEO THAT'S GONNA BE RUNNING ON, UM, ONLINE, FACEBOOK, GOOGLE, YOUTUBE, AND INSTAGRAM.
SO I FIGURED I'D, UH, GIVE YOU GUYS A PREVIEW OF THAT, UM, WHICH SHOULD BE GOING OUT PRETTY SOON.
SO WHAT MAJOR CHANGES HAVE I SEEN SINCE I'VE STARTED AS A POLICE OFFICER? I STARTED IN 2009 AND THE MOST MAJOR CHANGE I HAVE SEEN IS THE GROWTH OF THE CITY.
OUR MOTTO IS, COME GROW WITH US.
FAVORITE PART OF MY JOB IS REALLY INTERACTING THE COMMU, GETTING THOSE CONNECTIONS WITH THE PEOPLE THAT I SERVE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
HAVING THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND HAVING THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT IS ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL IN OUR CAREER FIELDS.
A FATHER, UH, IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR WAS ACTUALLY ABLE TO CELEBRATE FATHER'S DAY WITH HIS CHILDREN, UH, AFTER SUFFERING A CARDIAC ARREST.
THANKS TO US BEING ABLE TO GET ON SCENE WITH BEING DISPATCHED OUT WITH THE PROPER EQUIPMENT AND THE PROPER PERSONNEL BECAUSE OF THE EARNED INCOME TAX FROM 2015, WE WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT SERVICES WHILE ALSO ADDING STATION 25 TO OUR MIX, WHICH HAS HELPED US KEEP RESPONSE TIMES FAST AND SERVING THE COMMUNITY.
WITH THE INCREASE IN POPULATION AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND BUSINESSES IN THE CITY, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR QUICK RESPONSE TIMES.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE BEST PART OF THE JOB, JUST MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE'S EVERYDAY LIVES.
MY FAVORITE PART OF MY JOB IS I GET TO BE THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER.
I TEACH PROGRAMS SUCH AS STRANGER DANGEROUS, ANTI-BULLYING, AND, UM, WE DO PROGRAMS SUCH AS SAFETY TOWN AND THE COPS PROGRAM HERE.
I TRY TO TREAT EVERY PATIENT AS IF THEY'RE ONE OF MY OWN FAMILY MEMBERS.
EVERYBODY DESERVES THE SAME EXCELLENT CARE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE STRIVE FOR HERE.
THE RENEWAL LEVY ALLOWS US TO MAINTAIN THE EQUIPMENT AND THE SERVICE THAT WE CURRENTLY PROVIDE.
THIS IS A RENEWAL OF AN EARNED INCOME TAX.
SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT PENSIONS, RETIREMENTS, OR SOCIAL SECURITY.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT A NEW TAX, THIS IS NOT A NEW TAX, THIS IS NOT A NEW TAX, THIS IS NOT A NEW TAX.
THIS IS A RENEWAL THAT'S BEEN FUNDING THE HUB RIGHTS EMERGENCY SERVICES SINCE 2015.
BECAUSE THIS IS A RENEWAL TAX.
IT WILL NOT COST YOU ANYTHING.
VERY, VERY NICELY PUT TOGETHER.
I THINK WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF THAT.
UH, THE ONLY THING, ONE THING I DO WANT TO ADD IS THAT ANYBODY WANTS SIGNS OR ANYTHING THERE FROM US.
UM, IF YOU GUYS CAN HAVE EITHER A LIST OR CONTACT ME, UM, WE CAN MAKE SURE TO GET YOU GUYS A A VOTE YES.
KEITH, CHIEF, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WHEN MARK WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DONATIONS, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT IS WE HAD A, WE HAD A GENTLEMAN THAT STOPPED IN DURING OPEN HOUSE AND HE WANTED TO THANK THE, THE PERSONNEL THAT RESPONDED.
AND, UH, THE FIREFIGHTER'S UNION WAS THERE WORKING AND THEY STARTED TALKING AND HE WANTED TO GIVE MONEY.
AND I IMAGINE HE GAVE A VERY GOOD SIZE, UH, DONATION FOR WHAT HE COULD GIVE.
AND IT WAS BECAUSE I, I THINK HE ROLLED UP TO THE FIRE STATION ONE DAY AND HE HAD ANGIOEDEMA, MEANING HIS MOUTH WAS SWELLING.
AND WITHOUT IMMEDIATE INTERVENTION, HE MAY NOT HAVE LIVED.
AND THE GENTLEMAN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE VIDEO, EVERYBODY ONLINE IS MAKING, YOU KNOW, IT'S THIS, IT'S THIS, OUR GUYS ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE SEE THE DIFFERENCE.
YOU KNOW, I GOT TO SIT AND TALK, SHAKE THE HAND, AND JOKE AROUND WITH THE MAN'S KIDS.
WE HAD A, A GENTLEMAN WENT INTO CARDIAC ARREST JUST IN, IN MAY, AND THREE WEEKS LATER HE WAS AT THE FIRE STATION.
HIS KIDS WERE IN THE BACKSEAT OF HIS CAR.
IF, IF EVERYTHING WOULD NOT HAVE WORKED OUT THE WAY THAT WE CAN DO IT, THAT THAT MAN SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE ON FATHER'S DAY.
SO OUR PEOPLE ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS, AND I LOVE IN THE POSITION THAT I'M IN, BECAUSE I GET TO SEE ALL THE STUFF.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS A LINE GUY OR IN CHARGE OF A SHIFT, YOU ONLY SAW WHAT ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE DID.
OUR PEOPLE ARE SO PASSIONATE BECAUSE WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.
THAT GOOD, UH, EFFICIENT EMERGENCY SERVICES THAT CAN GET THERE QUICK.
WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE THAT IT CAN MAKE.
SO THAT'S WHY THESE GUYS ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY COOL THAT THIS GUY, A LETTER SHOWS UP AND, UH, MARK WAS KIND OF TELLING ME ABOUT IT.
HE SAID, THIS DONATION TO THE FIREFIGHTERS UNION IS COMING FROM THIS MAN THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, JUST ABOUT READY TO DIE ON OUR FRONT RAMP.
AND I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY, MANY, MANY MORE LIKE IT.
I REMEMBER WHAT, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE HAD A GENTLEMAN HERE, UH, AT, AT A COUNCIL MEETING, UM, WHOSE LIFE WAS, WAS SAVED.
AND HE CAME BACK TO KIND OF THANK, UH, E M S SERVICES THAT WERE THERE, UH, FOR HIM AT THAT TIME.
SO I, I KNOW THERE ARE STORIES LIKE THAT ALL OVER THIS CITY AND, UM, I KNOW WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY DOES,
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BUT YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GONNA BE THAT PERSON CALLING 9 1 1.[ Behavioral Health - Police Division - Award Contract]
E, WHICH IS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH THROUGH THE POLICE DIVISION.AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT CHIEF IS SOMETHING YOU, YEAH.
THIS, I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF A REDO HERE.
SO YEAH, THIS IS A REDO, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, BECAUSE OF, UH, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, RULES AND THINGS.
THIS IS OUR THIRD TIME I THINK IN FRONT OF YOU ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
LUCKILY, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY OUR FIFTH TIME, UH, THE FIREFIGHTERS, WE, WE GOT PINPOINT, UH, SCHEDULED
UH, THEY'VE, THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN IN, THEY'VE MET WITH PEOPLE.
UH, ALL OF US GOT TO MEET WITH THE COUNSELOR.
YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS, IS THEY COME IN AND THEY MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SUPPORT SERVICES AND CAN POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND IT'S REALLY, WE THOUGHT IT WAS SUCH A NEAT PROGRAM.
WHEN WE HAD THIS REMAINDER OF FUNDS, WE CAME TO YOU FOR AN R F P.
UH, WE PUT FORTH THE R F P, UH, WE EMAILED IT OUT.
UH, THEY REQUIRED US TO EMAIL IT OUT TO THREE POTENTIAL BIDDERS.
WE SENT IT TO FOUR AND, UH, WE GOT ONE BACK, WHICH IS OUR CURRENT, UH, VENDOR.
AND WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL SO WE CAN GET PINPOINT IN TO MEET THE POLICE COMMAND STAFF AND START THE INTRODUCTIONS AND START GETTING THEM SOME, UH, WHAT WE THINK IS A GOOD PROGRAM GOING.
UM, SO, UH, PINPOINT BEHAVIORAL HEALTH IS DOING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
YOU'LL NOTICE IT'S A LITTLE LESS MONEY BECAUSE IT'S ONLY FOR 15 MONTHS, UH, WITH THE BUREAUCRACY OF THE STATE, UH, PUSHING THE MONEY OUT.
IT, IT HAS TO ALL BE SPENT BY THE END OF 2024.
SO, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT TO AWARD THE, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE BID TO, UH, PINPOINT, UH, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO, UH, TO THE COUNCIL MEETING? OKAY, NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE
[ Gas Station Environmental Sampling]
F, WHICH IS THE GAS STATION ENVIRONMENTAL SAMPLING.UM, ANITA IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING, AND THAT WAS AN ITEM THAT SHE REQUESTED AND SHE HAD MESSAGED AND ASKED TO HAVE THIS, UH, PUSH BACK UNTIL THE FOLLOWING WORK SESSION SO SHE COULD BE HERE FOR THAT DISCUSSION.
[ Community Center Update]
UP THEN IS ITEM THREE G, WHICH IS A COMMUNITY CENTER UPDATE.RICK, MIKE, YOU WANNA, SO I DID SEND COUNSEL THE, UH, LEGISLATION ALONG WITH THE WORK LIST THAT WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, MIKE CAN GIVE US AN UPDATE ON, ON WHERE WE ARE WITH PROGRESS, UH, UP TO THIS POINT.
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UM, BASICALLY THE, UH, RENOVATIONS STARTED, UM, ROUGHLY OVER A MONTH AGO WITH THE EXTERIOR BEING PAINTED POWER WASHED.
IF YOU GO BY THERE NOW, I THINK YOU SEE A DEFINITELY OUTSIDE EXTERIOR DIFFERENCE IN IMPROVEMENT.
UM, THE INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS STARTED OCTOBER 4TH.
UM, WITH THAT BEING, THERE IS NOW A DUMPSTER OUT IN FRONT OF THE, UM, FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS DUE TO SOME DEMO OPERATIONS HAPPENING.
UM, THE KITCHEN HAS BEEN, UM, KIND OF TAKEN APART AND BEGIN TO REMODELING SOME IN THE, IN THE LEFT EXTERIOR BIGGER ROOM.
UM, THE, UM, DRYWALL HAS BEEN, UM, ALREADY APPLICATED PRESENTLY THIS WEEK.
UM, THE SHELTER ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING WAS DONE BY PUBLIC WORKS IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS.
UM, SOME STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE TO THAT, UM, AS WEATHER PERMITS WE'RE HOPEFULLY TO GET THAT PAINTED.
UM, THE KITCHEN DEMO, LIKE I SAID, HAS BEGUN.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE KEEP MOVING ON AS, AS, AS AS SCHEDULED.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANY OF YOU HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIKE? OKAY, MR. GRAY, COULD YOU TELL ME THE APPROXIMATE COMPLETION DATE? APPROXIMATE COMPLETION DATE IS, UM, BY THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
THE NEXT TWO WEEKS THEY SHOULD BE STARTING.
UM, I SHOULD POINT THIS OUT TO, THEY'RE STARTING, UM, HOPEFULLY RUNNING THE LINES FOR AN EXTERIOR TRICKY FOUNTAIN AS WELL AS A WATERLINE FOR, UH, THE PLANNED, UM, GUARDIAN CENTER.
NANCY, MIKE? UH, I, AM I CORRECT IN A, IN ASSUMING THAT, UH, THE REASON THEY HAD TO DO CUSTOM CABINETS IN THE, IN SOME AREAS OF THE KITCHEN IS BECAUSE OF, UH, IRREGULAR DIMENSIONS? CORRECT.
ANYTHING ELSE? YES, GLENN, JUST QUICKLY, I SAY I WANT TO APPRECIATE, SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, BUT I'LL BE SURE TO CHECK IT OUT.
UM, IT'S LONG OVERDUE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
[ Public Works Facility Construction - Solicit Bids]
IS ITEM THREE H WAS THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY CONSTRUCTION, AND THIS IS FOR SOLICITING THOSE BIDS.UH, YES, MAYOR MEMBERS COUNSEL.
UM, BASICALLY THIS IS, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, THE SCHEDULE TO BUILD A NOTE, NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
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THE SCHEDULE IS FOR THE END OF THE MONTH HERE TO HAVE ALL PLANS AND SPECS.UM, AND, UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE A SCHEDULE FOR YOU.
FIRST BIDS WILL BE, UM, HOPEFULLY IN, IN WITH, WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL COME OUT SOMETIME OCTOBER, FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER, AROUND THAT TIME, UM, WITH BASICALLY A CONSTRUCTION OR A HOPEFULLY, UM, GROUND OPENING GROUNDBREAKING IN DECEMBER WITH A, UM, TENTATIVE HOPEFUL DATE OF 24 DECEMBER COMPLETION AROUND THAT TIME.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM ALL OF YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY, SAME.
[ Supplemental Appropriations]
IS ITEM THREE I SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.JIM, UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I HAVE BEFORE YOU JUST ONE ITEM TONIGHT ON THE, UH, BUDGET CHANGES.
AND THAT'S, UH, $10,000, UH, FOR THE 9 1 1 FUNDS, UH, THAT WE KEEP IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.
AND THAT IS FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED THAN WHAT I PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET.
IT'S FOR RADIO CONSOLES AND CONSOL, LETS THAT WERE APPROVED AT YOUR LAST MEETING.
UH, THAT NEW CONTRACT BEGINS ON 11 ONE AND, UH, THERE'S AN INCREASE, UH, IN $10,000 OF PAYMENT THAT WAS NOT ANTICIPATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
THEY KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A NEW CONTRACT, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS, UH, GONNA BE $10,000 LARGER.
SO, UH, THEY ASKED IF THAT BE APPROVED AND, UM, THAT YOU, UM, TAKE CARE OF THAT ON MONDAY NIGHTS.
SO THAT WAY THE IN THE BUDGET TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT BY NOVEMBER 1ST, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING BEFORE, UH, NOVEMBER 1ST.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTION? OKAY, WE'LL SEE THAT ON MONDAY AS WELL.
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE J, WHICH IS THE
[ Thomas Cloud Park - Walking Paths/Sidewalk Discussion]
THOMAS CLOUD PARK WALKING PATH.WE'VE HAD A FEW, UH, ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO WE BROUGHT, ARE NOW BRINGING IT BACK.
UH, FIRST OFF, UM, I DID WANNA TALK ABOUT M V R P C.
UH, BUT FIRST I'D LIKE TO GO OVER THE, A NEW PLAN THAT WE, WE CAME UP WITH.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON HERE, WE LIKE TO LOOK AT PUTTING IT A SIDEWALK ALONG THE ROAD.
AND, UH, WITH THAT IT WOULD BE CURBING THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT.
UH, HAVE A SMALL GREEN SPACE OF PROBABLY THREE TO FOUR FEET, AND THEN AT LEAST A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.
AND THAT ALL FITS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THE RIGHT OF WAY IS ABOUT 10 FOOT OFF THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT.
SO WE HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THAT RIGHT AWAY.
UH, ON THE, ON THE TOP END, ON THE RIGHT, WE CAN GO OUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THERE'S A DITCH IN THAT AREA.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO STAY ALONG THE EDGE OF THE ROAD.
UH, AS YOU GET DOWN, AS IT KEEPS GOING DOWN THE CURSOR, UH, THERE'S TREES THERE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CLEAR THAT SOME OF THOSE TREES, UH, RIGHT BEHIND THE WALL, IT GOES UP ABOUT EIGHT FEET AND IT'S ALL TREES.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO CLEAR OFF AT LEAST THE FRONT OF THOSE.
AND I THINK WE CAN FIT IT IN WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT A RETAINING WALL.
UH, IT WOULD JUST BE A, A STEEP SLOPE BEHIND IT.
AND WE PUT SOME STORM SEWER ALONG THE ROAD, UH, IN THE, IN THE CURB.
THERE'LL BE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX CATCH BASINS ALL THE WAY ALONG THERE WITH STORM SEWER RUNNING BEHIND IT.
UM, MOST OF THAT JUST DUMPS INTO THE DITCH THAT'S BACK BEHIND IT.
NOW, WHEN YOU GO IN THE LEFT END, THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING DOWN THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RIGHT OF WAY, IS RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT ON THE, YOU KNOW, JUST LEFT OF THAT RIGHT THERE.
AND I ALMOST HAVE TO CROSS THEIR EASEMENT TO, BECAUSE THERE'S NO RIGHT OF WAY LEFT.
NOW, I'M GONNA TRY, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THIS DESIGNED BECAUSE, UH, WE HAVE TO SET ELEVATIONS IN STORM SEWER AND ALL THAT.
BUT I, I'M GONNA TRY TO EXTEND THAT ALONG THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT AND TRY TO GET THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, I HAVE TO TALK TO THE PETROLEUM COMPANIES WITH, 'CAUSE THERE'S THREE PETROLEUM LINES RUNNING THROUGH THERE.
AND LIKE I SAID, THAT HATCHED AREA IS THEIR EASEMENT FOR THAT.
THEY HAVE 50 FOOT ON EACH SIDE OF THEIR LINES, UM, FOR AN EASEMENT.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT DOWN TO THE ENTRANCE OF TOM CLOUD, ALONG THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT.
BUT, UH, WORST CASE SCENARIO, WHICH IS I THINK MIGHT BE HAVE TO HAPPEN, IS WE DO HAVE TO CROSS THE EASEMENT AND RUN THE PATH OVER TO THE, UH, ENTRANCE, UH, BEHIND THEIR EASEMENT.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THIS WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE DESIGNED.
UH, THE COST WOULD BE HIGHER, UH, DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE PUTTING CURB AND STORM SEWER IN, BUT I THINK THIS IS A LOT BETTER AS FAR AS, UH, GETTING BETTER ACCESS DOWN TO THE PARK.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, THE OTHER ONES THAT I SHOWED IT, IT DIDN'T APPEAR THAT IT SEEMS LIKE MOST PEOPLE WANTED IT ALONG THE ROAD.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
UM, BEFORE YOU, WE GO ON, WE DID TALK TO M V R P C ABOUT FUNDING ON THIS FOR THROUGH THEIR, UH, FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
THEY HAVE LIKE FOUR DIFFERENT ONES.
IT'S, UM, AND WE DID TALK TO THEM AND THEY SAID THAT IF WE DID THIS, FIRST OFF, IT BECOMES A FIVE YEAR, FIVE YEAR, UH, PLAN.
UH, ANY OF THEIR FUNDING GOES THROUGH, UH, 2029 IS WHEN THE FIRST TIME IT COULD BE BUILT.
UH, THESE ARE FEDERALLY FUNDED, UM,
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PROGRAMS, AND WITH THAT MEANS THERE'S ODOT ODOT INVOLVEMENT ON ALL THESE, WHICH THEN MEANS THE COST OF EVERYTHING GOES UP.THE PRICE OF GETTING CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS MADE WOULD BE A LOT HIGHER DUE TO THE, ALL THE EXTRA ODOT REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE.
AND ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE, THEY REQUIRE AT LEAST AN 11 FOOT WIDE PATH OR SIDEWALK.
SO, AND WE CAN'T FIT THAT IN THERE.
UH, ALSO IT TAKES THREE ODOT REVIEWS AND LIKE I SAID, FIVE YEARS TO GET CONSTRUCTION DONE.
UM, ODOT STANDARDS, UH, ARE A LOT STRICTER.
SO, UH, IT STARTS TO ADD A LOT TO THE COST OF A PROJECT.
UM, ALSO WITH M V R P C FUNDING CONTRACTORS, UH, ON SMALLER PROJECTS TEND TO NOT BID THEM BECAUSE OF THE PAPERWORK INVOLVED AND THE MINORITY, THEY HAVE A MINORITY SET ASIDE AS PART OF THE, AND, UM, WITH THAT THEY, WE, WE BID UP THE WALKING PASS IN THE PARK UP THERE, AND THAT WAS VALUED ABOUT 200,000 AND NOBODY BID ON IT BECAUSE OF THE PAPERWORK.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT.
SO, AND BRIAN WAS IN ON THE MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ON US ON THAT.
UM, SO THE M V R P C GRANT MONEY, UM, IF YOU REQUEST IT AND DON'T USE IT, DOES NOT COME WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, UM, WE CURRENTLY, UM, ARE PENDING A FIVE POINT PENALTY ON OUR NEXT, UM, FEDERALLY FUNDED, UH, OUR FEDERAL FUNDING REQUEST BECAUSE WE HAD TO WITHDRAW FROM THE PARK PATH PROJECT BECAUSE WE COULD GET NO ONE TO BID.
SO BECAUSE WE WERE AWARDED A FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECT AND THEN RETURN THOSE FUNDS, OUR NEXT APPLICATION WILL HAVE A FIVE POINT PENALTY.
UM, SO THAT'S A HURDLE THAT WE HAVE TO GET OVER.
SO THAT IS A CONSEQUENCE IF WE WERE TO APPLY FOR M V R P C FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT AND BE AWARDED THAT PROJECT, UH, AND BE AWARDED THAT FUNDING, UH, IF WE ARE UNABLE TO OBTAIN A QUALIFIED BIDDER OR A BIDDER WHO MEETS, UM, ALL OF THE NECESSARY REQUIREMENTS, UH, AND WE HAD TO WITHDRAW LIKE WE DID, UH, FROM THE, UH, THE PATH PROJECT IN THE PARK ITSELF, WE WOULD BE ASSESSED WITH ANOTHER, I THINK IT'S TWO, IS IT NOT TWO FIVE POINT PENALTIES? YEAH.
SO OUR NEXT TWO APPLICATIONS FOR FEDERAL FUNDS THROUGH M V R P C, UH, WOULD HAVE THE FIVE POINT PENALTY.
UM, THERE WAS, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, THOUGHTS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY M V R P C STAFF, UH, THE, UM, SCOPE OF OUR PROJECT AS IT RELATED TO, UM, UH, WAS IT, UH, TA TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE.
UM, THEY THOUGHT THAT THE SCOPE OF OUR PROJECT WOULD BE TOO SMALL, UM, THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE UNLIKELY TO RECEIVE FUNDING, ALTHOUGH WE COULD APPLY.
UH, AND THEN THERE IS, UH, CONGESTION MANAGEMENT.
UH, CMAC IS THE OTHER FUND, UH, IS THE OTHER QUALIFYING FUND.
AND THEY WERE CONCERNED THAT, UH, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO IMPACT, UM, AIR QUALITY AND CONGESTION MANAGEMENT, UH, WITH A SEGMENT THIS SMALL.
SO THEY DIDN'T THINK, UH, WHILE IN CONCEPT A PROJECT WOULD SCORE WELL, UH, ITS TOTAL IMPACT WOULDN'T, UM, PROVIDE ENOUGH POINTS, UM, TO, UH, TO QUALIFY FOR FUNDING.
BUT THEY, UM, UH, BUT THEY DIDN'T DISCOURAGE US FROM APPLYING.
THEY JUST SIMPLY INDICATED THAT BASED ON THEIR OPINION, UH, THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE A MORE DIFFICULT APPLICATION TO FUND THAN OTHERS.
SO THE, THAT WAS THE, UH, THE REMAINING COMPONENTS OF OUR CONVERSATION WITH N V R P C STAFF.
SO WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD JUST SAY, I, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, I GUESS IF, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, I COULD GET IT DESIGNED.
UM, BASICALLY A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE DUE TO THE FACT THAT IF WE HAD TO GO THROUGH M V R P C, YOU HAVE TO GET A CONSULTANT THAT'S QUALIFIED TO DO THOSE TYPE OF PROJECTS THROUGH ODOT.
AND, UH, IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT, WE COULD GET SOMEBODY, I MEAN, I, WE COULD PROBABLY GET IT DESIGNED A LOT CHEAPER, HALF PROBABLY 20,000 MAYBE I COULD GET IT DESIGNED FOR.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'D LIKE IT, I THINK I GET IT DESIGNED AND WE CAN TRY TO LOOK AT TRYING TO PUT IT INTO POSSIBLY NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET TO GET IT BUILT.
UH, WHERE THAT, WHERE THE WALK CROSSES OVER THE EASEMENT, IS THERE MUCH OF AN INCLINE THERE OR IS THAT PRETTY FLAT? WELL, IT'S FAIRLY FLAT RIGHT THERE, BUT AS YOU GO LEFT, IT, UH, THE, THE, IT HAS A HILL THERE TO THE, UH, LEFT OF WHERE WE CROSS FROM THERE TO THE ENTRANCE.
THAT AREA HAS ABOUT A FOUR FOOT HILL THERE, WHICH COULD BE CUT DOWN IF WE DECIDED TO, UH, EXTEND THE WALK ALONG THE PAVEMENT.
BUT, UH, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THE WAY THE PETROLEUM COMPANIES HAVE BEEN, UH, THEY'VE CHANGED A LOT OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH IT.
AND, UH, THEY'RE JUST SO STRICT NOW.
THEY WON'T LET YOU, THEY'LL NEVER LET ME RUN IT IN THE EASEMENT, BUT, BUT CROSSING IT SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET 'EM TO DO THAT.
SO, BUT, UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE BEST LAYOUT I COULD COME UP WITH, UH, TO TRY TO WORK OUT, TO TRY TO GET THAT PATH
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DOWN THERE.AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF CONTINUING THAT ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY ALL THE WAY WITH SIDEWALK AND ALL THAT, YOU, YOU DON'T, I THINK IT'S A POSSIBILITY, BUT I'M GONNA TO BRING IT TO THEM TO GET THEIR APPROVAL.
AND I, I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT I COULD DO THAT WITHOUT TRYING FIRST, SO I JUST DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'LL ALLOW US TO DO IT.
WELL, SO I THINK WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A BETTER PLAN THAN WE HAD BEFORE.
SO I'M GLAD WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS EXERCISE OF AT LEAST MM-HMM.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE COUNCIL DISCRETION NOW, WHETHER NOT YOU WANNA MOVE THIS, UH, FORWARD THE WAY IT IS CONTINGENT UPON BEING ABLE TO SEE IF RUSS CAN GET THE, THE PATH ALL THE WAY DOWN, UH, THROUGH THE RIGHT OF WAY AND IF NOT DESIGNED THE WAY IT IS OR, YOU KNOW, NO GO, I MEAN ANYTHING.
UM, PERSONALLY, UM, I'M NOT READY TO MOVE ON.
UM, IF RUSS, CAN YOU MAKE AN INQUIRY AND FIND OUT WHAT THE OIL COMPANIES WILL ALLOW YOU TO DO MM-HMM.
BUT ON ANOTHER ISSUE, UM, I I HOW LONG HAVE WE KNOWN ABOUT THAT FIVE POINT PENALTY? THAT WAS FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR FROM, IT WAS ONE FROM THE WALKING PASS THAT DIDN'T GET APPROVED.
WELL, IT DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF THE NO, NOBODY BID ON IT.
WELL, THAT WHOLE PROJECT HAS LINGERED SINCE LONG BEFORE SCHOMER WAS HERE.
AND AT ONE POINT WE HAD AN M V R P C GRANT TO DO IT, AND THEN, UM, THAT WAS CANCELED FOR, BECAUSE WE SUPPOSEDLY HAD SOME OTHER FUNDING TO DO IT.
AND THEN IT WAS CANCELED FOR, OR JUST LANGUISH.
I DON'T KNOW IF I EVER HEARD IT WAS CANCELED.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS COUNCIL, BUT I DON'T EVER REMEMBER A HEARING THAT WE HAD A FIVE POINT PENALTY ON THIS.
I KNEW WE HAD RECEIVED ONE ON THE, UH, CHAMBERSBURG EAST PROJECT, UH, WHICH HAS GONE PAST THE TIMELINE.
IT'S NOT A PENALTY ON THIS PROJECT, IT'S A PENALTY ON ANY THE NEXT ONE WE SUBMIT.
BUT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT, RIGHT? YES.
WELL, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE PATH PAVING, UH, TO THE, UH, WEST OF THAT, ALL THE PASSIVE THERE.
WE, WE, UM, SUBMITTED FOR FUNDING TO PAVE THEM ALL.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T GET THE CON UH, CONTRACTORS AND THAT'S WHY WE OKAY.
NOW, IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE IT MORE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO CONTRACTORS TO BID THE TWO JOBS TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT INNER PATH DONE AT THE SAME TIME WE WERE TO DO THIS ONE? WE'RE, WELL, WE WERE READY TO BID THAT ONE IN JANUARY, SO THIS ONE WILL BE, SO WHY DO WE THINK WE'RE GONNA GET IT, UH, CONTRACTORS TO BID ON IT NOW WHEN WE DIDN'T GET IT? IT'S NOT THROUGH THE FEDERAL FUNDING.
IT'S THROUGH, UM, C D B G FUNDING.
AND IS IT THE C D B G FUNDING NOW HANDLED FROM THE STATE INSTEAD OF THROUGH M B R P C? IT'S THROUGH THE COUNTY.
HUH? THE COUNTY IS THE AGENCY THAT, THE COUNTY THAT IS THE, UH, THE ENTITLEMENT AGENCY ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, JURISDICTIONS.
AND, AND THEY'RE ONLY DOING THOSE EVERY OTHER YEAR NOW, I THINK IS WHAT THEY SAID AT M V R P C AS FAR, I'M SORRY, WHICH GRANT? AS FAR AS TAKING, UM, OUR GRANTING GRANTING REQUESTS ON, ON THE C D B G.
SO WE APPLY EVERY YEAR FOR, OH, I'M NOT, I'M, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMBINED DEVELOPMENT OR GRANTS? YES.
NO, I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S THE OTHER CATEGORY UNDER, UH, M V R P C, THE BIGGER PROJECTS? THE S T P YEAH, NO T THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE IN, THERE'S CMAC AND THEN THERE'S THE CMAC.
YEAH, CMAC IS EVERY OTHER YEAR.
UM, ANYWAY, SO THERE'S NOTHING UNDER THE B I L.
UM, THERE'S AN EXPIRATION DATE ON WHEN THOSE FUNDS HAVE TO BE EXPENDED.
IS THERE NOT SO THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT ON A FIVE YEAR PLAN.
THE, THE B I L THE BIPARTISAN PLAN? YEAH.
I THINK YOU COULD SUBMIT ONCE A YEAR AND IT'S GOING ON FOR FOUR MORE YEARS YET IT JUST STARTED LAST YEAR I BELIEVE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS ONE, BUT I THINK ONCE YOU DO THE PROJECT, IT HAS TO BE COMPLETED IN A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE THE FUNDS DISAPPEAR.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO BILL PROJECTS? YEAH.
BILL PROJECTS YOU, ONCE YOU SUBMIT THEM, I BELIEVE MOST OF THOSE ARE THROUGH, UH, A FUNDING PROGRAM WHERE IT'S A LOAN AND IT POSSIBLY TURNS INTO, UH, PRINCIPAL FORGIVENESS LATER ON.
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LOOKED INTO SEEING WHETHER YOU WANT TO LOOK AT SUBMITTING THIS FOR A BILL FUNDING.IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, I'M SAYING THAT MAYBE IT WOULDN'T BE A FIVE YEAR EFFORT IF WE USED THE BILL FUNDING.
NO, THE BILL FUNDING WOULD BE FASTER.
IT MIGHT BE A YEAR, BUT IT'S, IT'S, YEAH.
WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT, BUT, UH, JUST, JUST AS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.
UH, BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I, I PERSONALLY WOULD WANNA MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE SEE WHAT IS THE BEST THING WE COULD POSSIBLY GET IN AGREEMENTS WITH EVERYONE THAT'S INVOLVED, UM, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT.
UM, DID YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THIS TO THE PETROLEUM COMPANIES AND SEE WHETHER I CAN DO THAT FIRST BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I THINK SO.
AND BRING IT BACK BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE INTENT WAS TO MOVE UP BEHIND THE, YOU KNOW, TAKE SUCH A, A SHARP DECLINE OR DIVERSION UP THERE.
I MEAN, I, I, IT'S UP TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL.
IT'S NOT UP TO ME, BUT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING.
WELL, I, I THINK THE THING IS, IF IF THEY WON'T ALLOW IT, WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE.
AND THEN WE DECIDE THEN, AND THEN I'M NOT DISAGREEING, I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF JUST KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT RIGHT.
UM, SO NOT TO GET OFF THE TOPIC, BUT IF WE'RE GOING BACK TO THOSE PATHS, THE WALKING PATHS THAT DIDN'T GET DONE, 'CAUSE WE HAVE A BIDDER YEAH.
I'M SAYING JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A BIDDER DOESN'T MEAN THOSE THINGS DON'T STILL NEED TO BE FIXED, SO OH, NO, NO.
YEAH, WE, SO WHERE IS IT AT AND IS THERE ANY MERIT TO WHAT NANCY SAID ABOUT MAYBE TRYING TO BID BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER TO SEE IF THAT HELPS? WELL, I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE READY FOR THIS ONE.
WE WANT TO BID THAT, THAT ONE IN JANUARY AND GET THAT, THOSE FUNDS, UH, THE, UH, GRANT MONEY HAS TO, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DEADLINE FOR SPENDING THAT, SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET THIS FUNDING FAST ENOUGH IF THAT'S THE CASE.
SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT SEPARATELY.
UH, REST BY AND LARGE THE UM, PIPING IS IN THE CENTER OF THE EASEMENT WE SEE THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THERE'S THREE OF THEM AND, UH, THEY VARY BUT THEY'RE ROUGHLY 10 TO 15 FEET APART AND THEN THEY'RE 50 FEET, YOU KNOW, THE TAKE THE THREE AND THE TWO OUTSIDE ONES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TAKE 25 FEET OUTSIDE OF THAT BECAUSE THERE'S 50 FEET ON EACH ONE OF THEM.
THERE'S THREE EASEMENTS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
SO IT'S LIKE 50 FEET FROM THE FURTHEST, MOST OUTSIDE, ONE 50 FEET FROM UH, 25 FEET FROM THE FURTHEST OUTSIDE ONE ON EACH SIDE.
'CAUSE IT'S 25 ON THE OTHER HALF.
SO THE REASON I ASK THAT IS IT LOOKS LIKE WE WOULD HAVE VERY MINIMAL ENCROACHMENT IN THAT, UH, REMAINING SECTION DOWN THERE IF YOU WERE TO APPROACH THEM.
IN YOUR OPINION, DOES MINIMAL ENCROACHMENT MATTER, UH, AS OPPOSED TO US WANTING TO GO RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OR SOMETHING? UH, I'M NOT SURE.
IT'S KIND OF DEPEND ON HOW CLOSE THE CLOSEST LINE IS TO THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT.
UM, IF IT'S, I MEAN, HOPEFULLY IF IT'S AT LEAST 20 FEET AWAY, MAYBE THEY'D LET US DO IT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S OUR PROPERTY IN THAT CASE, IT'S JUST THE RIGHT OF, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE.
SO WE WOULD PROBABLY TRY TO PUT IT IN RIGHT AWAY AND TAKE AWAY FROM THEIR EASEMENT OR WE BUILD IT IN THEIR EASEMENT IF THAT WAS, SO THANK YOU.
AND WAS THAT CORRECT? AND DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT? UH, ODOT REQUIRES AN 11 FOOT.
IF WE DID TAKE THIS TO THAT, UH, THROUGH THAT FUNDING ODOT, LIKE I SAID, IT GOES THROUGH FEDERAL FUNDING, WHICH THEN ODOT HAS TO REVIEW ALL OF IT AND THEY, THEY WILL REQUIRE 11 FOOT, UH, OF WALKING PATH, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING ON CHAMBERSBURG TO THE WEST AND OF THE EAST.
THOSE TWO PROJECTS COMING UP IN TWO, TWO YEARS.
UM, THERE'S AN 11 FOOT PATH ON IT.
USED TO BE, USED TO BE EIGHT A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
ANYONE ELSE? NANCY, DO WE HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MET BY D R? WE DO THIS.
YOU SURE? BECAUSE WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THERE.
WE WANTED TO GET THAT SIGN POSTED TO WHEN WE WANTED TO GET WHAT THE, THE DIGITAL SIGN WE HAD TO GET IT.
I'LL CHECK, BUT I DIDN'T, I DON'T THINK THEY, DO YOU KNOW WHY THAT WAS THE CASE? YEAH, BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THEIR OVERSIGHT ON THAT PART IS PERPETUITY.
LYNN RU YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT, UM, EXCUSE ME, YOU MENTIONED THE POTENTIAL THAT WE HAD TO FUND THE PROJECT OR, SO DO YOU HAVE A BACK OF THE NAPKIN FIGURE FOR THAT POTENTIAL? FOR THE COST OF THIS? YEAH.
UH, I'M THINKING ABOUT 400,000.
IT WAS ABOUT TWO WITH THE OTHER ROUTE, BUT WITH ALL THE CURBING AND STORM SEWED.
ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR? YES, KATE.
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YOU MAYOR.SO WE WOULD HAVE A FINISHED CURB, LIKE WE HAVE TO THE NORTH OF THAT COMING DOWN RAMP PIKE, LIKE IT'S A FINISHED CURB AND IT WOULD HAVE YES.
A, A CHAIR BACK CURB, A STRAIGHT CURB, NOT A ROW CURB.
AND THEN IT'D BE A SMALL GREEN SPACE, A THREE TO FOUR FEET AND THEN A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.
AND THAT FITS WITH WHAT'S THERE NOW WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION, JUDGE? MM-HMM.
SO I WAS LOOKING AT THIS ON MY PHONE.
YOU HAD A BORDER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF GRANT PIKE AND IT ALMOST LOOKED LIKE IT SAID THAT WE OWN PART OF THAT LAND ON THAT SITE.
WE HAVE RIGHT OF WAY ON THERE IS A, AN ORANGE-ISH LINE THERE ON THE, ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE RIGHT THROUGH THERE.
IT'S, IT'S THE, THAT'S THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE, WHICH IS, IT'S THE CORPORATION LINE.
SO DOWN UNDERNEATH THAT IS, UH, RIVERSIDE I BELIEVE.
SO THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LAND THERE.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME ELEVATION DROP OFFS AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE FEASIBLE TO DO IT ON THAT SIDE, RIGHT? I MEAN IT'S NOT REALLY, IF THEY REQUIRED 11 FOOT SIDEWALK, YES.
I MEAN IF YOU LOOK IN THE MIDDLE, THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE IS A LOT CLOSER TO THE ROAD.
UM, YEAH, RIGHT THROUGH THAT PART TO THE LEFT OF THAT A LITTLE BIT, IT'S REALLY CLOSE.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET MORE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN YOU'RE STARTING MOVE CORPORATION LINES IF YOU DO THAT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE DIRECTION IS TO FIND OUT FROM THE OIL COMPANY IF, IF, IF WE CAN EXTEND THAT FURTHER ON DOWN, RIGHT ALONG BRENT WITH THE SIDEWALK AND THEN BRING IT BACK AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO US AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHERE, UH, WHERE TO GO AND WHAT TO DO WITH IT FROM THERE.
[ Diesel Kohler Generator Installation - Award Contract]
ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS DIESEL KOHLER GENERATOR INSTALLATION.AND THAT'S AWARDING THE CONTRACT.
UH, THIS, THAT LEGISLATION UH, WILL ENTER A CONTRACT WITH GARBER ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS AND THAT WOULD BE TO, UH, PROVIDE A END INSTALL A KOHLER DIESEL GENERATOR FOR THE CARRIAGE TRAILS LIFT STATION.
UH, THIS LIFT STATION IS A, IT'S THE SANITARY LIFT STATION LOCATED, UH, IT'S 9 9 9 2 BRAND PIKE, WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF CARRIAGE TRAILS ENTRANCE, UH, ON BRAND PIKE.
UM, THE PUMP STATION HANDLES A LARGE PORTION OF THE, OF CARRIAGE TRAILS.
IT'S THE EAST OVER THE EAST HALF OF CARRIAGE TRAILS ALL GOES TO THAT PUMP STATION.
UH, THIS IS ONE OF OUR LARGER ONES.
WE HAVE THREE OR FOUR THAT ARE, UH, I CONSIDER LARGE AND WE HAVE, UM, GENERATORS AT THE LARGE ONES.
AND THE REASON WE HAVE THOSE IS BECAUSE IF, UH, POWER DOES GO OUT, IT STARTS TO OVERFLOW INTO THE CREEK, THAT'S USUALLY NEXT TO IT.
AND THAT'S A BIG E P A VIOLATION IF YOU START DOING THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY, UH, AND IT, IT'S A PROBLEM FOR VEO WHEN THEY, IT IS A POWER OUTAGE 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A, UM, A TEMPORARY GENERATOR.
THEY HAVE ONE THAT THEY GO BRING IT AROUND TO, TO THE PUMP STATIONS THAT GO OUT.
BUT THIS, THE TEMPORARY ONE'S TOO SMALL SO IT, UH, REALLY CAN'T HANDLE IT THAT WELL.
SO, UM, WE DID GO OUT, I HAD VEIA GO OUT FOR, TO THREE SUPPLY COMPANIES AND UH, THEY GOT TWO QUOTES BACK.
THE THIRD ONE DIDN'T GIVE US A, GIVE US A QUOTE.
AND THAT WAS GARBER ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS AND CASTLE ELECTRIC, UM, GARBER'S QUOTE WAS 119,600 CASTLE'S QUOTE WAS ONE $37,884.
UH, SO WE ARE ASKING FOR NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF 135,000.
UH, JUST, AND JUST FOR ANY UNFORESEEN PARTS OR LABOR THAT WOULD BE EXTRA, UH, FROM PAST EXPERIENCES.
THE KOHLER GENERATOR IS THE BRAND THAT'S ELIA PREFERS TO USE.
THEY WERE MORE USED TO THOSE FOR, FOR THAT REASON.
UM, AND THIS WASN'T IN OUR BUDGET THIS PAST FOR THIS YEAR, AND IT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE, UH, SEWER FUND.
WILL THIS BE SIMILAR TO THE ONE AT, UH, SHAW AND BRANT? YES.
WE HAVE ONE AT NER LIFT STATION, AND, UH, THERE'S ONE AT OLD TROY PIKE BEHIND, UH, WALGREENS.
THAT'S A LOT BIGGER ONE, THOUGH.
THE REASON I ASK THAT SHAW AND BRANT, UH, WE DID SOME, UH, PRETTY NICE LOOKING SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING AROUND THAT TOO.
UM, UM, I MEAN, IT'S A BIG UGLY GENERATOR.
WHAT CAN YOU SAY? RIGHT? UH, WILL WE BE DOING THAT AT THIS SITE AS WELL? UH, WE DIDN'T PLAN ON IT.
UH, THIS ONE SITS BACK A LITTLE FURTHER.
UH, IT'S POSSIBLE WE CAN ADD THAT INTO THIS IF AT THE END WITH, IF WE HAVE SOME EXTRA
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MONEY, WE CAN PUT SOME LANDSCAPING AROUND IT.ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? NEXT IS
[ Easement Agreement - AES Ohio]
ITEM THREE L, WHICH IS AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT FOR A E S.UH, THAT WOULD BE ME, MR. MAYOR.
UM, THE, UM, CITY IS A PART OWNER OF SEVERAL PARCELS, PARCELS OF PROPERTY, UM, IN AND AROUND, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS, TIP CITY, AND, UH, VANDALIA.
UH, BECAUSE OF OUR MEMBERSHIP IN THE, UH, TRI-CITIES NORTH REGIONAL WASTEWATER AUTHORITY, UH, TRI-CITIES WAS APPROACHED BY A E S FOR AN EASEMENT ON ONE OF THESE PARCELS.
UH, AND BECAUSE THESE PARCELS WERE GIVEN TO THE THREE CITIES, UM, IN, UH, JOINT OWNERSHIP BY THE MIAMI CONSERVANCY, UH, ALL THREE COMMUNITIES NEED TO SIGN OFF ON, UH, THESE PARTICULAR EASEMENTS.
SO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR THE, UM, UH, FOR THE TRI-CITIES AUTHORITIES IS NOW DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT, UH, TO, UH, TRANSFER OWNERSHIP, UM, AND, UH, WHOLE TO, UH, TRI-CITIES ITSELF, UH, RATHER THAN, UH, KEEPING INDIVIDUAL, OR I SHOULDN'T SAY KEEPING ANY, KEEPING, UH, UH, THIRD OWNERSHIP AS WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
UH, BUT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, UH, IS RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY THE OLD, UM, CITY OF VANDALIA WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
UH, JUST FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS 40 RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE FAR NORTHWEST CORNER OF, UH, THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, WHICH WAS AT LEASED TO, UH, THE CITY OF, UH, VANDALIA, UM, SEVERAL DECADES AGO BY THE CONSERVANCY DISTRICT, UH, WHEN THAT PLANT WAS SHUT DOWN IN TRI-CITIES, WAS, UH, ESTABLISHED, UH, THAT PARCEL WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE, UH, JOINT OWNERSHIP OF, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS TIP CITY, UH, IN VANDALIA.
AND SO THERE IS A, UH, A TRANSFORMER AND, UH, UH, UH, RELAY, UH, WIRE POLE ON THIS, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL THAT NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED.
UH, THESE UPGRADES WILL ACTUALLY HELP FACILITATE, UH, THE TRI-CITY PLANT IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WHICH ARE PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, ACT ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM ON MONDAY, UH, AND AUTHORIZE, UH, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THE EASEMENT TO, UH, ACTUALLY DATE AND POWER AND LIGHT, UH, AT THIS LOCATION, UH, SO THAT, UH, THEY CAN GET ON SITE AND BEGIN MAKING THE APPROPRIATE UPGRADES.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANYTHING YOU SAID WE DISCUSSED TURNING THE PROPERTY OVER TO TRI-CITIES VERSUS KEEPING IT SO THE, SO THE TRI-CITIES BOARD OF TRUSTEES IS, UH, PREPARING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.
SO LET'S SAY THAT THERE ARE 30 OF THESE PARCELS FROM NORTH TO SOUTH THROUGH THE DISTRICT, WHERE WE ARE ALL EACH A THIRD OWNER.
IN OTHER WORDS, EACH ONE OF THE JURISDICTIONS, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, IS GOING TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
MIGHT IT BE IN THE ORGANIZATION'S BEST INTEREST FOR EACH CITY TO SELL.
ITS THIRD TO TRI-CITIES, SO THAT TRI-CITIES ITSELF, AS THE ORGANIZATION BECOMES THE WHOLE OWNER OF ALL THESE PARCELS AS OPPOSED TO JUST BEING, YOU KNOW, AN AGENT OF THE OWNERS, WHICH IS, IS US.
SO, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, UM, REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS FROM, UM, M C D AND THE ORIGINAL TRANSFER BACK IN THE NINETIES, AND, AND HAVE CONVERSATION WITH TRI-CITIES LEGAL COUNSEL.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT OPPORTUNITY.
SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE, I GUESS SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE PROS AND CONS, UH, CORRECT.
AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW YET IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, TRI-CITIES LEGAL COUNSEL, TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ANY, UH, RESTRICTIONS OR COVENANTS WHICH WOULD PROHIBIT, UH, THE MUS MUNICIPALITIES FROM TRANSFERRING OWNERSHIP OUTRIGHT TO, UH, THE AUTHORITY ITSELF.
SO WHAT IS OUR FINANCIAL, I DON'T SEE ANY COSTS.
SO IF WE ARE, IF WE ARE AUTHORIZING THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND SUPPORTING THE CURRENT OPERATIONS, WHAT, I GUESS I'M NOT SEEING EXACTLY WHAT OUR AGREEMENT IS PROVIDING.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, ALL WE ARE DOING IS, AS A THIRD OWNER TO THIS PARCEL, WE ARE GRANTING AN EASEMENT TO A E S D P AND L.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING COUNSEL TO DO AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
THAT'S THE LEGISLATION THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED FOR COUNCIL ACTION ON MONDAY.
I'M JUST POINTING OUT FOR COUNCIL'S BENEFIT, WE AS REPRESENTATIVES, WE AS THE TRUSTEES FOR, UM, TRI-CITIES, DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW GOING FORWARD WITH ALL OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS PLANNED, THERE, BEING 15, 20, 30 PARCELS ALL JOINTLY OWNED BY THREE JURISDICTIONS IS A GOOD IDEA.
WE'RE JUST STARTING THAT CONVERSATION, AND I'M JUST SHARING WITH COUNSEL THAT WE, THE TRUSTEES ARE STARTING THAT CONVERSATION.
THERE MAY BE NO FURTHER ACTION TO COUNSEL, BUT THIS SEEMED LIKE A GOOD POINT IN TIME TO JUST LET
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YOU KNOW, WE OWN SEVERAL PARCELS ALONG WITH TIP CITY AND VANDALIA, AND WE ARE EXPLORING WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD CHANGE THAT, THAT SETUP, WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD CHANGE THAT OWNERSHIP.BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, WE ARE ONLY ASKING FOR COUNSEL TO GRANT AN EASEMENT FOR A E S, DP AND L AT THIS SITE BECAUSE WE ARE A THIRD OWNER AND WE ARE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE THAT EASEMENT FOR THAT WORK TO BE DONE.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Case RZ BDP 22-35 - Thomas Dusa - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - Technology Boulevard/Artz Road]
IS ITEM THREE M, WHICH IS CASE RZ, B D P 22 DASH 35.IT'S A REZONING BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AND ARTS ROAD.
UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WAS A REQUEST OF COUNSEL, UH, TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS AND DEBATE THIS PARTICULAR MATTER BEFORE THE SECOND, UH, READING AND POTENTIAL FINAL ADOPTION OF THE REZONING, UH, REQUEST AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
COMMENTS, RICHARD? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, THIS WAS ASKED TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA, UH, SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GO INTO MONDAY WITH A, UH, RECOMMENDATION.
UM, IT IS MY HOPE, UH, THAT, UH, THAT THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, UH, FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT, UM, AS I STATED HERE IN ONE OF MY COMMENTS, WE NEED TO BECOME COMMERCIAL TRUCK FRIENDLY.
UM, AND THAT INCLUDES UP TO A, UH, MUNICIPAL, UH, PARKING LOCATION, UM, EITHER A REVISIT, UH, AN EXPEDITED REVISIT OF OUR CURRENT, UH, ORDINANCES.
UM, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT IS THE HOPE FOR THIS, UH, CONVERSATION IS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO STAND.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR WAY, WAY TOO LONG.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S EITHER TIME THAT, UH, WE EITHER APPROVE THIS, UM, OR IF MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL CHOOSE TO DENY IT.
UM, AS I STATED BEFORE, I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING THEIR PLAN ON HOW WE HELP OUT WITH OUR INCREASING COMMERCIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC IN THE CITY.
I, I'LL JUST ADD FOR THE RECORD, I DO AGREE THAT IT'S, IT'S TIME TO EITHER, UM, YEAH, I, WE'RE ALL ADULTS.
YOU CAN SAY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
DID YOU? I DID AT THE LAST TIME.
SO WE'LL LET YOU SAY IT AGAIN THEN.
WE SHOULD, SHOULD, OR GET OFF THE POT.
SO, I AGREE IT IS TIME THAT WE DO THAT
UM, SO, UH, WHATEVER COUNSEL, ACTION, WHATEVER YOU WISH TO DO WITH THIS, UM, GREAT.
BUT I, I AGREE WITH RICHARD AND GLEN HERE.
IT'S TIME TO MAKE A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UM, I, UH, I AGREE WITH RICHARD.
I, I AM SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A, A LARGE TRUCKING COMMUNITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU REALIZE THIS, BUT IN THE COMMERCIAL CENTER THAT, UH, MY WIFE AND I'S BUSINESS IS LOCATED, THERE ARE TWO TRUCKING DISPATCH CENTERS.
THAT'S HOW MUCH TRUCKING WE HAVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
WE HAVE A COUPLE LOCAL DISPATCHERS.
SO, UM, I, IT'S MY BELIEF THAT THESE ARE THE FOLKS WHO WANT THIS PLACE BECAUSE THEY'RE LOCAL FOLKS AND THEY NEED A PLACE TO KEEP THEIR RIGS WHEN THEY'RE AT HOME.
UH, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THIS LOCATION IS WHAT MORE TRUCKING, A WHOLE BUNCH MORE TRUCKING.
MATTER OF FACT, WE GOT A LETTER FROM ONE OF 'EM, AND THAT HAD A CONCERN, UH, WITH, UH, I WANNA SAY TRAFFIC AND, UM, AND, UM, THE GATEWAY, UM, TO WHICH MY RESPONSE IS, WELL, UH, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A BETTER PLACE FOR IT RIGHT THERE NEXT TO 70.
UM, IT'S ON THE EDGE OF THE CITY, UH, AS FAR AS GATEWAY'S CONCERNED, UM, WE CAN CALL THAT A GATEWAY IF WE LIKE, BUT IT'S NOT, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF ENTRANCES INTO HUBER HEIGHTS, BUT I WOULD SAY COMING UP KITTRIDGE FROM, FROM THE EAST AND BATH TOWNSHIP IS NOT A GATEWAY.
AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS COMING INTO HUBER HEIGHTS THAT AREN'T GATEWAYS.
JUST BECAUSE IT'S AN ENTRANCE DOESN'T MAKE IT A GATEWAY.
UM, SO I DON'T HAVE THAT CONCERN.
IF, UM, IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT TRUCK TRAFFIC, THEN IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT IN A GAS STATION WITH 120 SOME ODD PUMPS.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA CREATE A MAT HOUSE WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I WOULD SAY I, I DON'T SEE ANY LEGITIMATE BEEFS AGAINST IT.
UM, I THINK IT'S VERY SUPPORTIVE OF OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY AND, AND ITS MAKEUP AND ITS MEMBERS.
AND, UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND, UM, AND WE CAN GET THIS APPROVED FOR THIS PERSON WHO HAS BEEN BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH.
AND I THINK HE'S DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF LISTENING TO WHAT WE'VE ASKED FOR AND, UM, BENDING TO THOSE WISHES OVER THE LAST YEAR.
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COMMENTS? SO I, I'LL JUST ADD HERE, I THINK, UM, SO I'M GONNA, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SO LONG.I'M JUST GOING TO GO BACK TO WHAT MY, WHAT MY MEMORY TELLS ME.
SO I, I DON'T THINK I, I MEAN, I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING AN ISSUE OR A PROBLEM.
LOOK, AND I KNOW LOTS OF QUESTIONS WERE ASKED OF MR. DSA.
MR. DSA IS NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER.
HE'S NOT GONNA BE THE BUSINESS OWNER.
SO I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO TELL US WHAT HE BELIEVED, AND I THINK HE, AT THAT, HE PROBABLY REACHED A POINT OF FRUSTRATION WHERE HE LITERALLY WOULD'VE AGREED TO ANYTHING WE ASKED HIM TO AGREE TO, JUST BASED ON WHERE THAT CONVERSATION WAS GOING AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT'S TAKEN US TO GET WHERE WE ARE.
I DON'T THINK THE ISSUE WAS EVER ABOUT, UM, ABOUT LOCAL TRUCKERS.
I KNOW I, I, I HAD, UH, I HAD NO ISSUE SUPPORTING THAT FROM A, A LOCAL TRUCKING PERSPECTIVE.
BACK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, IF THIS, I THINK THE ISSUE BECAME WHEN, WHEN THEY WEREN'T SURE WHAT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL OR WHAT HE COULD EXPLAIN WHAT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL WAS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WHEN IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS GONNA CHANGE FROM OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY, HAVING A PLACE TO DROP THEIR RIGS AND THEN HAVE THEIR FAMILY MEMBER PICK THEM UP AND TAKE THEM HOME AND HAVE THEM VISIT WITH THEIR LOCAL FAMILY WHILE THEY'RE, WHILE THEY HAD A PLACE TO PARK THEIR RIG, BECAUSE WE DON'T ALLOW IT IN THE CITY OTHERWISE, OR ON THE STREETS OR, OR PARK NEXT TO THEIR HOUSE OR WHATEVER.
I THINK THAT SEEMED TO BE KIND OF OKAY.
I, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, I FELT LIKE COUNSEL MIGHT BE LEANING IN THE DIRECTION OF SAYING OKAY TO THIS.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THROUGHOUT ALL THAT DISCUSSION, THE CONFUSION THEN CAME UP.
IF IT WAS, OR IF IT WAS JUST SIMPLY A MATTER OF MR. DUSA TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET US TO APPROVE WHAT THEY WERE WANTING TO DO, WHERE THE ISSUE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT GOT EVERYBODY'S, OR THE TWO WORDS THAT GOT EVERYBODY IN AN UPROAR, WHICH WAS TRUCK STOP, WHERE WE WERE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE DRIVING UP AND DOWN 70 AND SEEING A BIG SIGN THAT THINKS IT'S A TRUCK STOP AND THEN THEY CAN PULL OVER AND THEN GO TO SLEEP THERE.
BECAUSE THEN THE ISSUE CAME UP, IF I RECALL, WELL, IF IT'S GONNA BE LOCKED, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO'S DROPPING THEIR TRUCK OFF AND THEN GOING HOME TO SPEND WITH THEIR FAMILY, AND THIS IS GONNA BE GATED, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA LOCK IT, WELL THEN HOW CAN IT BE LOCKED? AND WE ALLOW OTHER TRUCKERS TO COME IN AND PARK THERE.
AND THEN IF THEY COULDN'T GET INTO THIS PARTICULAR LOT, WERE THEY GONNA JUST USE ARTS ROAD AS A SECONDARY PARKING LOT OR A PLACE TO START PARKING ON THE SIDE BECAUSE THIS FACILITY WAS LOCKED AND THEY COULDN'T GET IN.
SO WE'RE HERE A YEAR LATER, AND I GOTTA BE HONEST, I'M STILL NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY ASKING FOR, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO HAVE CHANGED A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
NOW, IN THIS CASE, WHEN OUR COUNCIL WANTS TO VOTE, MIGHT NOT MEAN HILL OF BEANS HOW I, WHAT I THINK ABOUT THIS.
BUT IF THIS IS JUST A FACILITY WHERE OUR LOCAL PEOPLE ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, AND LOOK, WE HAVE A LARGE TURKISH COMMUNITY THIS, UH, IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THEIR LARGEST BASE OF THEIR BUSINESS IS, IS LOGISTICS AND COMMERCIAL TRUCKING.
IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A, A PLACE WHERE THIS IS OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY, USING THIS AS A PLACE TO, TO REST AND TO BREAK AND TO GO HOME AND SOME WITH THEIR FAMILIES, THEN, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T SEE A HUGE ISSUE.
THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THIS THAT GIVES ME A TON OF HEARTBURN ABOUT THIS, BUT IF WE'RE WANTING THIS TO BE THIS OPEN, ACCESSIBLE AREA WHERE PEOPLE OFF THE HIGHWAY CAN JUST PULL IN AND PARK AND SPEND THE NIGHT WHERE THIS BECOMES MORE OF A TRADITIONAL TRUCK STOP, THAT DOES GIMME A LOT OF HEARTBURN.
SO I WOULD JUST, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE MY COMMENTS OF THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE, TO WHERE WE ARE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION AROUND THAT.
AND THEN WE CHANGED IT TO, WELL, THE AMOUNT OF TRUCK SPACING.
AND I'M NOT, I MEAN, I KNOW RICHARD, THAT WAS A, A RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU HAD AND AT THAT TIME SEEMED LIKE, HEY, THAT MIGHT SEEM LIKE A GOOD IDEA.
AND, AND I REALLY JUST DON'T KNOW HOW AT THAT POINT THAN WHERE WE ARE NOW OR HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.
UM, IT JUST SEEMS KINDA LIKE A LOT OF HODGEPODGE, AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT, UH, TRUCK STOPS AND, AND PARKING AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
BUT AGAIN, WITHOUT THE OWNER AND ONLY THE OWNER'S REP, THE ENGINEER TRYING TO TELL US WHAT THE BUSINESS PLAN IS.
AND I KNOW, UH, GLEN, YOU'D BROUGHT UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ASKED THINGS OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT, THINGS THAT WE WOULD NEVER, THAT WE HAVE NEVER ASKED OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS WHEN IT COMES TO KINDA WHAT THEIR BUSINESS PLAN IS AND THEIR MODEL AND THEIR HOURS AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
I, I, AND I GET THAT, UM, AND WE TYPICALLY DON'T, BUT I THINK TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS BUSINESS IS WILL HELP COUNSEL MAKE A DECISION ONE, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHICH ULTIMATELY IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE.
SO, UM, IF MY RECOLLECTION IS WRONG, PLEASE SOMEONE LET ME KNOW.
BUT I THINK THAT, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S HOW I
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REMEMBER THIS ALL KIND OF COMING TOGETHER.MAYOR, I'D SAY YOU RE YOU RECALL THINGS PRETTY WELL ON THIS.
I, I THINK THE ISSUE AROSE WHEN I, I'VE WATCHED THESE MEETINGS A LOT OF TIMES, ESPECIALLY RECENTLY.
UH, ALL THE MEETINGS LEADING UP TO TODAY ON THE SUBJECT.
AND THE ISSUE WAS, IT, IT WAS THE WAY YOU SAID, IF IT WAS GOING TO JUST BE THIS LOCAL PLACE, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR TRUCKERS, THAT'S WHERE IT STARTED.
BUT WE ASKED A QUESTION, WE STARTED ASKING, WELL, HOW ARE YOU GONNA ADVERTISE? HOW ARE YOU, WHAT IS YOUR SIGNAGE GONNA LOOK LIKE? HOW ARE YOU GONNA BRING PEOPLE IN? AND, AND THAT'S WHERE HE STARTED TO, IF YOU WANNA SAY HICCUP OR THINK ABOUT THAT STUFF AND TRY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND THAT'S WHERE THEY CAME BACK AND WE KIND OF PUSHED HIM TOWARDS THAT A LITTLE BIT, TOWARDS BEING A BIGGER THING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SWERVED LEFT WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE WENT.
AND THAT WASN'T THEIR INTENTION TO BEGIN WITH.
WE DROVE THEM IN THAT DIRECTION, AND THEN WE DIDN'T LIKE THAT DIRECTION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THAT, THAT'S THE WAY I, A LOT OF THE, I WATCHED THESE OVER AND OVER.
A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION WAS, I, I GOTTA BE HONEST, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS CONFUSING AT TIMES.
AND I THINK HE WAS PROBABLY MORE CONFUSED THAN ANY OF US AGREED.
AND, AND TO ADD TO THAT, UM, MR. OTTO, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'VE SAID IS TRUE, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THOSE THINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN HIS BUSINESS PLAN.
AND HIS BUSINESS PLAN WAS NOWHERE NEAR AS DETAILED A AS TO WHAT HIS OBJECTIVES AND GOALS WERE AS A NORMAL BUSINESS PLAN IS.
AND SO EVEN THOUGH WE ASKED FOR THOSE THINGS, IT, THEY WERE NECESSARY TO KNOW BEFORE IT WAS APPROVED, THEY WERE THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MM-HMM.
SO THE FACT THAT HE DIDN'T SPEC SPECIFY THOSE THINGS, THOSE SHOULD BEEN IN THE BUSINESS PLAN WHEN HE CAME FORWARD AND SAID THAT.
SO TO ME, JUST LIKE THE MAYOR JUST SAID, HE STILL DOESN'T HAVE A FIRM BUSINESS PLAN, IF I MAY, MAYOR.
UM, TO RESPOND RESPECTFULLY, NANCY, I DISAGREE WITH THE, THE POINT THAT, UM, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD ALL THIS IN HIS BUSINESS PLAN.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T TYPICALLY, WE DON'T ASK PEOPLE FOR THEIR BUSINESS PLANS.
WE WANT TO SEE, UH, HOW THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THINGS.
WE WANT TO SEE, WE WANNA SEE SOME BASIC THINGS.
WE DON'T LOOK FOR BUSINESS PLANS.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT WAS INITIALLY MEANT TO BE SOMETHING MUCH MORE SIMPLE, UM, TO SERVICE LOCAL TRUCK DRIVERS WITHIN A NETWORK.
AND WE CREATED THE THING THERE, THERE, THERE WOULD BE NO MASSIVE BUSINESS PLAN ON THAT, BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE NONE NECESSARY.
UM, IT WAS GONNA BE A VERY SIMPLE OPERATION, PROBABLY SPREAD BY WORD OF MOUTH, AND, AND THAT'S HOW IT WAS GONNA BE HANDLED AND JUST BE LOCAL.
SO I WOULDN'T HAVE EXPECTED A REALLY BIG INTRICATE BUSINESS PLAN ON THIS.
IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS GONNA BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WITH PEOPLE COMING IN AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO, UM, I, I, I'M GONNA SAY THAT AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE KIND OF ADDED FUEL TO THE FIRE WITH BECAUSE WE WERE ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN PLAN ON DOING TO BEGIN WITH.
AND WHILE NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO ANSWER IT THE BEST THEY CAN, JUST BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO GET IT DONE.
THEY WANTED THE PROJECT DONE LIKE ANY OTHER PERSON BUILDING, AND WE KIND OF TOOK 'EM DOWN THAT ROAD.
BUT I, I THINK, I DON'T THINK A LOT OF THOSE THINGS WERE IN THE BUSINESS PLAN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WASN'T INTENDED TO BEGIN WITH.
IT WAS JUST GONNA BE A LOCAL, YOU KNOW, SERVICING BUSINESS.
BUT WE EVOLVED INTO THAT AND FOR HIM TO TRY TO JUSTIFY HIS POSITION, BECAUSE HE KEPT SAYING, WE MAY EVENTUALLY GO TO HAVING PEOPLE SLEEP OVER.
AND THAT WAS THE NUMBER ONE HICCUP OF BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE COUNCIL, AND THE CITIZEN'S COMMENTS, PLUS A POSSIBLE SPILLOVER ONTO THE ADJOINING ROADS.
WELL, LIKE ANY DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA, THEY TRY TO SAY THAT THE THINGS THAT THEY THINK WE WANT TO HEAR, SO THE WAY THEY CAN GET THEIR PROJECT DONE, I MEAN, THAT'S TYPICAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE THEY WERE TRYING TO DO, TRYING TO GET US TO A POINT WHERE WE WOULD BE SATISFIED AT A MINIMUM WITH, WITH WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED.
AND, AND I THINK THEY WERE WILLING TO BEND WHICHEVER WAY WE WANTED THEM TO BEND TO GET IT DONE.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON IT.
SO THE, THE, THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS, RICHARD, I'LL COME RIGHT BACK TO HERE IN ONE SECOND, AND, AND OH, RICHARD, AND THEN I'LL COME TO MARK IS, IS I WOULD JUST ASK THEN, SO WE KNOW PLANNING COMMISSION DENIED THIS BY A A, A TWO TO THREE VOTE, WHICH MEANS THIS IS GONNA TAKE SIX VOTES TO, TO REVERSE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION, NOT FIVE VOTES.
SO I, I WOULD JUST, SO I WOULD ASK IS, IS THERE A COMPROMISE HERE AND SOMETHING IN THE LEGISLATION AND THAT SAYS, NO, NO TRUCK STOP.
THIS IS, I MEAN, I, AND AGAIN, I, I DON'T, AT, AT THE FEAR OF GOING BACK AND REHASHING THIS WHOLE THING, DETERMINING WHAT THIS BUSINESS IS GONNA BE, ONE OF THE MOST FRUSTRATING THINGS FOR ME HAS BEEN THAT WE'VE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN THE OWNER HERE.
WE'VE ONLY HEARD FROM THE ENGINEER WHO'S REPRESENTING THE
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OWNER.AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S, I'M NOT SURE THE ENGINEER HAS BEEN ABLE TO EXPRESS WHAT THE, THE GOALS OF, OF THE OWNER ACTUALLY IS.
SO, UM, I MEAN, KNOWING WHERE THIS IS AT, AND IT'S GONNA TAKE SIX VOTES, I MEAN, THERE'S EITHER A COMPROMISE TO BE HAD HERE OR, OR THERE ISN'T.
UM, SO I'LL GO TO RICHARD AND THEN, AND THEN TO MARK.
YOU KNOW, THINKING ON YOUR WORDS ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE HEARTBURN, UM, OF, OF TRUCK STOP, IF I CAN TAKE COUNSEL ON A, A BRIEF RIDE THROUGH, UM, MEMORY LANE.
UH, BACK IN APRIL OF, UH, LAST YEAR, THIS COUNCIL VOTED SEVEN TO ONE TO APPROVE A TRUCK STOP WHERE BUCKY'S WAS SUPPOSED TO, IS SLATED TO GO.
AND IF I, I AM READING RIGHT FROM THE PRESENTATION FROM THAT, IT WAS TWO FIVE PUMP FUELING ISLANDS, APPROXIMATELY 76 PARKING SPOTS, 10 FOR SEMI-TRUCKS.
AND NOWHERE IN THE, THE INFORMATION, WHEN I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THAT THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSIONER THROUGH HERE, DID WE SAY, HEY, YOUR BUILDING NEEDS TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY.
WE NEVER SAID, HEY, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYBODY SLEEPING THERE.
THIS GUY HAS AGREED TO WHAT I THINK IS AN THE MOST RIDICULOUS 100% MASONRY REQUEST FROM THIS CITY WHEN WE HAVE HOUSES THAT HAVE A WHOLE LOT LESS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, HE'S FENCING IN THE ENTIRE ITEM.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE THAT'S COMING AND GOING.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS, IF MEMORY SERVES CORRECT, ACTUALLY SAYS NO OVERNIGHT SLEEPING PERIOD.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, HE PUT A BUILDING IN THE PLAN JUST SO THAT WOULD CONFORM WITH OUR MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR HIM TO HAVE A STAFF MEMBER THERE.
UM, I, I, I MEAN, WE APPROVED SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT JUST A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS IS A MUCH SMALLER VERSION, UM, A WHOLE LOT LESS SPOTS.
UM, I, I MEAN, I'M JUST REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING HERE.
I MEAN, WHEN PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE RECOMMENDATION ALREADY PUT ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS, UM, MAYOR, IF I UNDERSTAND ABOUT SLEEPING GATES, BUILDINGS, ALL THAT STUFF, IT'S ALREADY IN THERE.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON I WANTED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION HERE TODAY, KNOWING THAT COUNCIL PASSED THIS BACK IN APRIL LAST YEAR WITH SEVEN VOTES.
WE HAD SEVEN BACK IN APRIL LAST YEAR FOR A CONCEPT THAT WAS, WAS A TRUCK STOP.
UM, SO I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP TONIGHT TO SEE EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS THAT WE NEED TO DO, UM, TO EITHER IMPROVE THAT, THAT LEGISLATION, UM, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WE CAN HAVE THE CLERK, UH, REACH OUT TO MR. DUSA AND SEE IF HE CAN GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE OWNER EITHER IN WRITING OR APPEAR HERE BEFORE US ON MONDAY.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, ME PERSONALLY, I MEAN, I, IF WE APPROVED THIS WHERE BUCKY'S IS SUPPOSED TO BE, THEN WE SAID, NO, HOLD OUR DRINK.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT APPROVED TRUCK STOP, AND WE'RE GONNA PUT IN A WHOLE LOT MORE TRAFFIC SO WE CAN THROW THE TRAFFIC CONVERSATION OUT THE WINDOW.
'CAUSE THAT'S JUST TOTALLY, YOU KNOW, RIDICULOUS.
UM, I, I HOPE IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THIS DICE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IS TRULY ANTI COMMERCIAL TRUCK.
UM, SO THAT LEADS ME TO WHERE ARE WE AT? WHAT ARE WE DOING? UM, WHY ARE WE SAYING NO, OR WHY ARE WE LOOKING TO SAY NO? WHY HAVE WE BEEN JERKING THIS GUY AROUND? HOPEFULLY I'M MAKING SOME SENSE HERE AND MIRROR BECAUSE I, THIS IS A BIT FRUSTRATING.
AND I, I THINK, UH, HEARING YOUR COMMENTS, UH, UH, YOU'RE ECHOING A LOT OF THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT JERKING ANYBODY AROUND.
YOU SAID WE'RE JERKING SOMEBODY AROUND.
WELL, I THINK WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE BEEN, I HAVEN'T.
SO IF ANYBODY'S BEEN JERKING SOMEBODY AROUND, PLEASE STAND UP.
BRIAN, TO THE BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION, WAS THERE ALWAYS A BUILDING AS PART OF THIS PLAN? TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, YES.
THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A BUILDING.
AND WHO PROPOSED THE BUILDING? UH, THEY PROPOSED THE BUILDING.
I, I COULDN'T BE MORE CONFUSED ON A PROJECT THAN I AM THIS ONE FROM THE CONCEPTION.
UM, I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS IT IS.
I HEAR THAT IT'S PARKING, BUT THEN IT HAS A BUILDING AND I UNDERSTAND THE REQUIREMENTS ALL MASONRY.
THE VOTE WAS TWO, THREE DOWN ON A PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THE VIABILITY OF THE BUSINESS, I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND.
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ABOUT A BUSINESS PLAN.THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS, NOT MINE.
UH, THE SIZE AND SCOPE, UM, 24 HOURS OPEN, WE'RE GONNA USE A KEYPAD, UH, PARKING BUILDING REPAIR.
I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IT'S EVOLVED INTO SEVERAL THINGS DURING THE DISCUSSION.
TONY, DID WE RECEIVE A LETTER FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS? YES, THERE WAS THERE, THERE MAY BE EVEN WAS SEVERAL.
I REMEMBER A LETTER RECENTLY AND, AND IT LAID OUT SOME, SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS.
AND I THINK THOSE ARE SERIOUS CONCERNS AS WELL.
UM, IT'S MY OPINION, MAYOR, I'M NOT FOR THIS, BUT WHAT I WOULD BE FOR IS STAFF STARTING OVER WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND PRESENTING SOMETHING THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND.
LISA, DID YOU HAVE CAUGHT? YEAH, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MY PASSION, BUT I AGREE, WE'RE A TRUCKING COMMUNITY.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT'S IN THAT INDUSTRY.
UH, I KNOW THAT EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD HAS EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS.
WE ONCE HAD A TRUCK STOP ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UM, WE JUST ALL WANT TO DO IT RIGHT.
BUT I THINK IT'S BEEN, AT A MINIMUM, PRETTY CONFUSING.
I THINK THAT'S, I MEAN, JUST OVERALL, THAT'S IN PART OF MY FRUSTRATION WITH THIS IS JUST, AGAIN, TRYING TO, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, AGAIN, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PURPOSE IS.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD OR, OR RAISED WAS, WAS THE IDEA OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE GET OFF THE HIGHWAY AND THEY CAN'T ACCESS IT.
BUT NOW THERE'S THIS ROAD RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
ARE THE, ARE THERE, I MEAN, AN ARCH ISN'T VERY BIG AT THAT POINT BACK THERE.
HOW, HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TRUCKS END UP JUST PULLING OVER AND PARKED.
I MEAN, AND I KNOW WE CAN HAVE NO PARKING SIGNS AND THAT KIND OF THING, BUT YOU KNOW, BEFORE, BEFORE I FINISH, RICK RICHARD SHAW BRINGS A PERFECT POINT UP WITH THE TRUCK STOP THAT WAS VOTED SEVEN TO PASS.
COULD STAFF SPEND A FEW MINUTES AND COULD YOU GIVE US SOME OF THE SIMILARITIES AND SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES THAT MIGHT EXIST BETWEEN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND WHAT WE DID VOTE ON CAN DO? AND, AND RICHARD, IF THERE ARE ENOUGH SIMILARITIES, MAYBE THAT'S OUR PATH FORWARD.
WELL, I GUESS MY, MY CONFUSION ON THIS, UH, COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL IS WE ASKED STAFF, THIS COUNCIL ASKED STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER OUR FIRST REVIEW OF THIS TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THAT PROPOSAL.
UM, AND THE BUILDING CONCEPT, UM, WAS PUT IN BECAUSE THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE AN OVERNIGHT TRUCK STOP.
THAT'S HOW THE BUILDING CONCEPT GOT THERE.
UM, SO RICHARD, THE BEST OF YOUR MEMORY WAS THE BUILDING IN THE PLANS INITIALLY, AND THE PLAN AND THE INITIAL PLANS WHEN HE WENT TO THE LOCATION, WHEN HE WENT TO STAFF.
WAS THE BUILDING PART OF THE PLAN? NO, IT WAS, AND, AND BRIAN, YOUR YOUR ANSWER WAS, IT WAS PART OF THE PLAN.
UM, I JUST HAVE ACCESS TO WHAT WAS, UH, UM, WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED AND EVALUATED A PLAN IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022 THAT DID INCLUDE A PROPOSED BUILDING ON THAT SITE PLAN.
NOW, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED BY STAFF, UM, AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL PRIOR TO SUBMISSION? I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT WHAT WAS CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM THE START INCLUDED A BUILDING THAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND, AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
IT, IT ALWAYS INCLUDED A BUILDING AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT TO PLANNING COMMISSION? YES.
SO, SO NOT TO ADD MORE CONFUSION HERE, BUT BEING AT THE, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WHEN AARON GAVE THAT UPDATE, AND, AND MAYBE AARON GAVE THE SAME UPDATE HERE TO COUNCIL LAST TIME, I THOUGHT AARON HAD MENTIONED THAT THE ORIGINAL STAFF PROPOSAL DIDN'T HAVE A BUILDING.
SO, SO IF SO, IF THAT ISN'T THE CASE, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO FIGURE OUT.
'CAUSE I, BECAUSE I, I DO REMEMBER AARON SAYING THAT, THAT THE REASON THE BUILDING CAME FORWARD WAS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T JUST WANT IT TO BECOME A DROP LOT.
I THINK THAT'S THE TERM THAT, THAT AARON MUSEY DIDN'T WANT THIS TO BECOME A DROP LOT.
SO THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE OWNER TO PUT A, A MAINTENANCE BUILDING THERE.
SO THERE'D BE SOMEPLACE THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY WORK ON THE TRUCKS, EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THEY WERE GONNA HAVE MAINTENANCE OR PEOPLE WORKING ON ANY TRUCKS THERE.
BUT I DID HEAR AARON SAY THAT.
SO WHERE THAT INITIAL COMMENT FROM AARON CAME FROM, OR WHAT PLAN OR DESIGN HE SAW, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IF THERE'S CONFUSION ABOUT
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THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT COMES FROM.BECAUSE I DID HEAR AARON SAY THAT I THINK TWICE NOW.
WELL, HERE'S THE PLAN HE SHOULD HAVE SAW WAS THE ONE HE PRESENTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR US WHEN WE'RE APPROACHED BY DEVELOPERS OR BY POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS.
HEY, YOU AS STAFF, YOU WORK WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THE TEMPERAMENT OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THE TEMPERAMENT OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODIES.
UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE? HERE'S OUR IDEA, BUT BEFORE WE SUBMIT, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS AN APPROPRIATE IDEA? WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD PASS CITY COUNCIL OR PLANNING COMMISSION IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE? I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE CORRECT IN THAT THEY CAME IN AND SIMPLY SAID, HEY, UH, MR. CITY PLANNER, WE ARE GONNA COME IN AND WE WANT TO DO THIS PARKING LOT FOR, UM, FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.
AND I THINK BASED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, AARON'S EXPERIENCE AND, AND HIS FAMILIARITY WITH NOT JUST THIS COMMUNITY, BUT WITH THAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, THAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USE WITHIN THE REGION, I THINK HIS ADVICE WAS VALID.
I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE THAT THE LAST THING THAT WE WOULD, THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO SEE AS A PRODUCTIVE USE OF LAND IN A INDUSTRIAL PARK IS PAVED GROUND FOR THE PURPOSES OF PARKING, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE IS A, THAT CONCERN,
AND NOT JUST ON THESE, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT ON ALL KINDS OF OTHER PROJECTS, WE OFFER, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THINGS LIKE ON HOUSING PROJECTS, THIS SHOULDN'T BE A CUL-DE-SAC.
THIS SHOULD BE EXTENDED INTO THE NEXT SUBDIVISION WHEN YOU SUBMIT, WE DON'T THINK THAT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD, UH, APPRECIATE THIS PLAN ABSENT MORE GREEN SPACE.
SO WE OFFER THOSE COMMENTS IN AN EFFORT TO ASSIST THE DEVELOPER IN ACCOMPLISHING WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT AARON'S SUGGESTION TO THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER OF 2022 IS WHAT PUT THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION OUT OF BALANCE GOING FORWARD OR LED US TO THIS POSITION.
I THINK AARON'S SUGGESTION AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE APPLICANT WAS THE APPROPRIATE SUGGESTION.
IT WAS THE APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATION.
IT IS, I THINK, TO YOUR COMMENTS, UH, GLENN, UM, THE APPLICANT JUST SAID WHAT HE THOUGHT WE WANTED TO HEAR TO GET HIS PROJECT APPROVED MIGHT BE WHERE WE GOT OFF TRACK WITH THIS PROJECT.
NOT TO SAY WE CAN'T WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, NOT THAT STAFF ISN'T CAPABLE OF BRINGING THOSE THINGS TOGETHER TO HELP THE APPLICANT.
BUT REMEMBER, WE ARE ONLY OFFERING ADVICE AND GUIDANCE TO THE APPLICANT.
WE ARE ONLY OFFERING SUPPORT TO THE APPLICANT.
IT'S THE APPLICANT'S ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, THAT THAT REALLY MATTERS.
SO, UM, AS MUCH AS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT TO TRY AND ADDRESS WHAT CITY COUNCIL MIGHT WANT TO SEE ACCOMPLISHED, REMEMBER ONE OF THE HURDLES THAT THE MAYOR POINTED OUT IS THAT YOU HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION THAT'S NOW GIVEN A RECOMMENDATION AND OPPOSITION TO.
SO I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF THE COMMUNICATION ISSUE OR THE CLARIFICATION ISSUES BETWEEN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, PERHAPS MAYBE SOME OF THE COMMUNICATION CLARIFICATION ALSO NEEDS TO INVOLVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ITS MEMBERSHIP TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE COME TO FRUITION IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK THROUGH AND TRY AND ACCOMPLISH WHAT IT IS THAT COUNCIL'S ASKED US TO DO, AND WE'LL START THAT COMPARISON AND THAT CONVERSATION TOMORROW.
UH, BUT IT, IT'S NOT FROM, I THINK FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT WE GAVE BAD ADVICE OR WE GAVE A POOR RECOMMENDATION TO THE APPLICANT TO BEGIN WITH.
I THINK WE GAVE QUALITY SOUND ADVICE TO THE APPLICANT AT THE BEGINNING.
IT'S HOW THE APPLICANT WORKED FROM THAT ADVICE IN COMMUNICATING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TO COUNSEL.
UH, THAT LED TO SOME OF THE CONFUSION I THINK WE FIND OURSELVES WITH.
SO, SO BRIAN, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR.
I, SO IN WHAT I WAS STATING, I WASN'T BEING ACCUSATORY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
I JUST, I THINK SO WHEN, WHEN THE QUESTION WAS ASKED OF RICHARD, AND HE FIRST SAID THAT THE BUILDING WASN'T INCLUDED, I, IT, IT, I SEEM TO LOOK OF CONFUS ON HIS FACE.
I THINK THE SAME LOOK WAS PROBABLY ON MY FACE.
I'M ONLY SUGGESTING THAT I'VE HEARD IT STATED BY AARON THAT THE INITIAL PLAN DIDN'T INCLUDE THE BUILDING.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT INITIAL PLAN WAS SEEN, IF THAT WAS JUST THE STAFF COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH, THAT WAS AARON AND THE DEVELOPERS.
YOU, AS YOU HAD STATED, I HAVE, I, I DON'T KNOW.
ALL I KNOW IS THAT I'VE HEARD THAT STATED YES, I'VE HEARD THAT STATED TWICE.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THEN ONE AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.BUT I WASN'T SAYING THAT THAT ADVICE WAS BAD OR WRONG OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST THINK IF, IF, IF WE'RE CONFUSED ABOUT THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION HAS COME FROM.
'CAUSE I WAS TOO, 'CAUSE WHEN, 'CAUSE I WAS SITTING HERE GOING, UH, NO, I DON'T THINK THAT FIRST PLAN HAD THE BUILDING.
AND I, AND I DON'T, AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND, MY COMMENTS AREN'T BASED ON THE FACT, I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY'S ACCUSING STAFF OR ANYONE OF, OF ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATE HERE.
I JUST THINK THAT THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING.
THERE WAS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, WE'RE ALL CONFUSED ON THIS.
I, I TOOK THE COMMENT, I TOOK THE QUESTION TO MEAN DID THE APPLICANT SUBMIT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMPELLED, OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION DIRECTED THE, THE BUILDING TO BE ON SITE.
BUT YES, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY CAME IN AND JUST TALKED ABOUT A PARKING AREA AND IT WAS STAFFED.
AND THAT MAKES SENSE WHY AARON WOULD THEN SAY THAT DURING HIS COMMENTS.
SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'LL COME BACK TO YOU, GLEN, IS, SO WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS PLANNING COMMISSION'S ORIGINAL VOTE? WAS IT VOTE TO APPROVE OR, I DON'T REMEMBER.
WAS IT A THREE ZERO APPROVAL? SO IT WAS A THREE ZERO APPROVAL.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS A COUPLE COUNT, A COUPLE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE ABSENT.
SO, SO THE INITIAL, THE FIRST TIME WE SEEN IT AT COUNCIL WAS A THREE OH APPROVAL FROM PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THEN AS WE GOT INTO THIS DISCUSSION THAT I'M NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE BUSINESS MODEL WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE, WE SENT IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND NOW PLANNING COMMISSION THEN HAS NOW VOTED THREE TO TWO.
AND MAYOR FOR CLARIFICATION ON THAT, AND I, I WANT TO TWO TO THREE AGAINST, I'M SORRY.
YEAH, I WANNA FULLY RESPOND TO COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL'S QUESTION NOW THAT WE'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL INSIGHT.
THE ENGINEER DID COME INTO THE CITY WHERE THEY PLAN WITH NO BUILDING FROM THAT DISCUSSION.
NOW THIS IS WHERE IT'S GONNA GET EVEN MORE INTERESTING.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE THREE OH, THE THREE, OH, THE THREE OH VOTE.
THE THREE OH VOTE WAS ACTUALLY FOR A SMALLER LOT.
DON'T MAKE IT MORE NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.
YEAH, THERE WAS A SMALLER LOT THEN BECAUSE OF CONVERSATION FROM THIS COUNCIL, AND I DON'T WANNA PUT HIM ON THE SPOT, BUT I BELIEVE ALSO, UM, FROM COUNCILMAN WEBB, UM, WE SAID, HEY, WE NEVER SEEN THE LARGER, YOU KNOW, PLAN.
AND MR. DUCES SAID, WELL, I HAVE IT, IT'S AVAILABLE.
UM, IT'S JUST, I WAS SUGGESTED BY THE CITY PLANNER TO SUBMIT THE SMALLER ONE.
AND THEN THROUGH CONVERSATION THROUGH MYSELF AND MR. WEBB, UM, THAT'S AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE SAID, PUT THE LARGER ONE IN, TAKE IT BACK THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION.
NOW IT'S GOT THE BUILDING, NOW WE'VE GOT NO SLEEPING AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF ON THERE.
UM, SO YEAH, THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH STAFF INTERACTION THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UM, THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND.
I I, I HOPEFULLY AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UM, MY PASSION IN THIS CONVERSATION, UM, BECAUSE IT'S HAD SO MANY MONTHS AND SO MANY REVIEWS FROM STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WE'VE GOT AN APPROVAL, A DENIAL, A DIFFERENT CONCEPT.
AND IN CLOSING, MAYOR, UH, IT SOUNDS TONIGHT THAT THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY WANTED TO BUILD A PARKING LOT TO PARK MAYBE FAMILY, FRIENDS, SOME NETWORK OF TRACTOR TRAILERS.
RIGHT? IT'S EVOLVED INTO WHAT WE SEE TODAY THAT WAS VOTED DOWN WITH A, UH, THREE, TWO VOTE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE MY CONFUSION COMES IN, GLEN.
UM, THERE WERE JUST A FEW THINGS THAT POPPED UP THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT, AND I THINK RICHARD COVERED SOME OF THEM.
BUT, BUT NO, I, I WANTED TO, AGAIN, I WANTED TO, I WANNA REITERATE THAT WHEN THE DEVELOPER BROUGHT THE PLAN ORIGINALLY, AGAIN, STAFF RECOMMENDED IT BE DOWNSIZED.
SO HE SAID, OKAY, AND HE DOWNSIZED THE PLAN.
THEN IT CAME TO US AND WE ASKED HIM, WELL, WHAT ABOUT TURNING RADIUSES? WHAT ABOUT PARKING SPOTS? ARE WE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH? IT NEEDS TO BE BIGGER.
SO HE SAID, OKAY, FINE, I'LL MAKE IT BIGGER.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED BEFORE ANYWAY, SO THAT WAS THERE.
AND I DID WANNA MENTION THAT IT DID PASS INITIALLY THREE ZERO FROM PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT I WANTED TO MENTION, BUT I'VE FORGOTTEN IT NOW, BUT THANK YOU.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE A, A, A WAY FORWARD ON THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND IF, IF THAT MEANS, UM, COUNCIL'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO TAKE THE PLAN AS IT SETS AND MOVE IT TO MONDAY FOR, FOR A VOTE, THEN SO BE IT.
IF IT'S COUNSEL'S WISHES AS, I MEAN, MARK, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION ON YOUR PART TO HAVE THIS PLAN LOOKED AT THE PLAN FOR WHAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL SEVEN TO ONE, TO HAVE THAT LOOKED AT FOR SIMILARITIES AND DIFFERENCES TO SEE IF THERE'S A PATH FORWARD, THIS THING, OR DO WE HAVE ENOUGH, UM, BUSINESS OWNER CITIZEN LETTERS FROM AROUND THERE THAT SAY, NO, DON'T APPROVE THIS.
BUT, UM, WELL, I, I'M NOT TRYING TO SLOW ROLL THIS BECAUSE I'M A NO VOTE TONIGHT, SO THERE'S NO SLOW ROLLING IN THE PROCESS.
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SURE, NO, I GET IT.AND I THINK STAFF ALONG WITH TONY'S HELP NEEDS TO REVIEW, UH, NEIGHBOR LETTERS, BUSINESS LETTERS, UH, AND RESIDENTIAL.
UH, WE NEED TO RE-INTERVIEW OR INTERVIEW THE APPLICANT AND FIND OUT WHAT HIS MODEL IS.
IS IT A PAVED, UH, PARKING LOT FOR SOME NETWORK OF TRACTOR TRAILERS OR TRAILERS OR TRACTORS, AND FIND OUT WHAT IT IS, HELP HIM THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BRING ANOTHER VIABLE PLAN BACK THAT WE CAN SIMPLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
AND NONE OF THAT IS TO SLOW THIS UP OR CAUSE IT NOT TO PASS.
I'M JUST NOT FOR WHAT'S FOR IN FRONT.
AND IF IT, IF IT GOES, IF HE GOES BACK AND IT'S DIFFERENT, THEN IT'S GOTTA GO BACK TO PLANNING, RIGHT? WELL, I THINK IT, THE COUNCIL COULD MODIFY IT, BUT WITH SIX VOTES, OR YOU COULD DELAY IT ANOTHER READING, UH, TO BUY MORE TIME, OR YOU COULD VOTE IT DOWN AND MAKE THEM START WITH A NEW PLAN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE
AND IF, IF THE, IF THE DISCUSSION COMES IN THAT WE TOTALLY TAKE OUT THE BUILDING, IT GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN, UH, WHICH I KNOW HE HAS AVAILABLE, UH, HE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT QUICK FASTEN IN A HURRY, UM, THAT BY THE NEXT WORK SESSION WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE ALL OF THAT GAME SET MATCH AND SETTLED.
THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE AGAIN, TO THAT POINT, AND TONY, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, IF WE WAS TO VOTE THIS DOWN OR TABLE THIS, UM, THAT MEANS THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAS TO START ALL OVER AGAIN, WHICH MEANS PLANNING, COMMISSION, ANNOUNCEMENTS, WORK SESSION, TWO READINGS.
SO THAT, IN MY OPINION, WOULD BE SLOWING THE PROCESS DOWN, ESPECIALLY AFTER, WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS? UM, UH, A WHOLE LONG TIME AGO.
SO I, I'M TRYING TO FIND THE FASTEST WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT, KEEP THIS ITEM HERE, UM, AND HAVE STAFF, UH, DO THE APPROPRIATE DUE DILIGENCE, UH, WITH THE, UH, NEW INFORMATION PROVIDED FROM COUNSEL THIS EVENING.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT FITS THE DEFINITION OF SUGAR OFF THE POT, HOWEVER, YEAH, I, I WOULD, IF THAT'S THE
IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S TRULY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, I JUST PICTURE MYSELF IN THAT POSITION AND I'D HATE TO BE SITTING AROUND THIS LONG TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MY, HOW MY BUSINESS IS GONNA WORK.
NOPE, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
OKAY, SO, UM, SO WE HAVE TWO COMPETING RECOMMENDATIONS.
YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO BRING IT TO A VOTE ON MONDAY.
RICHARD'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO, UM, BRING IT TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION, GIVE STAFF TIME TO, TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, RICHARD MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION FIRST.
THAT WOULD BE JUST THE WAY TO HANDLE THIS, TO FIND OUT THERE'S A, A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO, TO MOVING THIS BACK TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
AND IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO MOVING IT TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION, THEN I WOULD MOVE TO, TO GLEN'S RECOMMENDATION TO, TO MOVE IT TO, TO MONDAY AND THEN SEE IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OBJECTION FOR THAT.
WOULD THAT BE THE RIGHT WAY TO, WELL, IT, IT'D REALLY BE WHICHEVER OPTION HAS THE MAJORITY SUPPORT, AND IF THERE IS A MAJORITY SUPPORT FOR EITHER ONE, IT WOULD BE, AGAIN SURE WITHOUT
THAT WAY WE'RE NOT REALLY KIND OF TAKING A, AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE ON ANYTHING DURING A WORK SESSION MEETING.
THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING WOULD BE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS, THERE WOULD BE NOTHING TO STOP SOMEONE ON MONDAY FOR MAKING A MOTION TO ADOPT.
AND THAT WOULD'VE TO BE CONSIDERED IF IT WAS PROPERLY SECONDED.
MAYOR, YES, I, I'M FOR BRINGING IT TO A VOTE AS GLEN SUGGESTS ON MONDAY.
YEAH, LET'S FIGURE IT OUT MONDAY AND EITHER CAN VOTE THEIR CONSCIENCE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID THEN, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO BRINGING, THERE WOULD BE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO TAKING IT BACK TO WORK SESSION, BUT NOT A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO BRINGING IT TO THE, IS THAT, AM I UNDER, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
[ Dial Park Improvements - Funding]
IN DIAL PARK IMPROVEMENTS, UH, FUNDING.SO A FEW MEETINGS AGO I WAS ASKED TO LOOK INTO, UH, DIAL PARK, WHAT PROCESSES WE NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, TO GET THAT PROJECT ROLLING.
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I DID FIND LEGISLATION WHERE COUNCIL HAD AUTHORIZED, UM, LOOKING INTO WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WE WOULD NEED AND COST.UH, WHAT COUNCIL HAS BEFORE THEM NOW IS ACTUALLY THE FUNDING LEGISLATION, UH, TO APPROVE $480,000, UH, TOWARD A, UH, PLAY SET SHELTER, UM, BASKETBALL, HALF BASKETBALL COURT, AND, UH, 50,000 IN CONTINGENCY EXPENSES.
ANY, ANY DISCUSSION? GLENN? UH, RICK, DID WE NOT ALREADY APPROVE THIS PROJECT IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR? THE LEGISLATION I REVIEWED, AND MAYBE TONY AND BRIAN CAN HELP ME, WAS THAT THE LEGISLATION APPROVED STAFF TO BEGIN THE RESEARCH AND GETTING THE DESIGNS, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN PACKET HERE.
UM, BUT AT NO POINT IN THAT LEGISLATION DID I SEE APPROVAL FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO SPEND UP TO ANY PARTICULAR AMOUNT TOWARD THE PROJECT.
UM, WELL, RESPECTFULLY, I'LL SAY THAT, UH, SECTION ONE OF THAT RESOLUTION PASSED IN, UH, APRIL SAYS, THE CITY MANAGER IS DIRECTED TO PRODUCE AND PROVIDE A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN TO CITY COUNCIL WITH PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO DOWELL PARK WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THIS LEGISLATION'S ADOPTION, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN JULY, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, SAID, IMPROVEMENTS SHALL INCLUDE A PLAY STRUCTURE, POSSIBLE SWING SET, HALF BASKETBALL COURT, AND A PICNIC SHELTER WITH A TOTAL BUDGETED AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $500,000.
IN SECTION TWO, IT MENTIONED, IT SAYS, UPON COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE AFOREMENTIONED CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, THE CITY MANAGER SHALL EXERCISE ALL EFFORTS TO BEGIN THE CONSTRUCTION OF ANY APPROVED IMPROVEMENTS AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, I, I'M, I, MY MIND MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION FOR THE WORD EXPEDITIOUSLY, BUT IT MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION FOR THE WORD 90, UM, YOU KNOW, SHALL DIRECTED TO, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THIS, THIS RESOLUTION RIGHT HERE TO ME SAYS WE APPROVED A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TOWARDS A PARK PLAN THERE, AND WE SHOULD HAVE SEEN CONS, CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS IN JULY.
THIS SEEMS REDUNDANT, AND IT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO, UM, TO DO SOMETHING WE ALREADY DID, BUT I'M READING DIRECTLY FROM THE PAST RESOLUTION SIGNED BY MAYOR GORE ON THE 13TH OF APRIL OF THIS YEAR, PASSED ON APRIL 10TH, SEVEN TO ONE.
SO I'M WONDERING WHY THIS IS EVEN ON HERE.
I SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT A SUB, I SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT A SUBJECT LINE ON AN AGENDA.
WHAT I SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME, SOME A HALF BASKETBALL COURT POTENTIAL SWING SETS A SHELTER AT A PARK.
SECTION ONE OR SECTION TWO DEPENDS ON SECTION ONE.
SO SECTION ONE AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER TO PROVIDE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THIS PACKET NOT TO EXCEED $500,000.
SECTION TWO SAYS, UPON COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE AFFIRMATION CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN.
SO BECAUSE COUNCIL IS ONLY RECEIVING THE SITE PLAN NOW, THERE IS NOT YET ANY AUTHORITY FOR ME TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION.
SO, AND TYPICALLY WE WOULD BID THOSE OUT OR GET QUOTES, AND THEN COUNSEL WOULD APPROVE THE AWARDING OF THE, UH, THE, UH, AMOUNTS FOR THOSE INDIVIDUAL, UH, AMENITIES.
CAN I ASK WHEN WE RECEIVE THE CONCEPTUALS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IN THE PACKET? I, I GOT THEM FROM STAFF.
I'M NOT SURE WHEN WINDOWS OF RECEIPT.
BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WARM UP? COULD I ASK A QUESTION WHILE HE'S LOOKING? WELL, I'M, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE IF I CAN, NANCY, UM, JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT THIS HAS BEEN FAR TOO LONG IN THE MAKING.
UM, TOO MUCH APPROVAL, TOO MUCH, UM, DISCUSSION.
TOO MUCH DIFFERENT THINGS THAN BEING, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS A SMALL PRO PROJECT.
IT, IT'S NOTHING HUGE FOR THIS CITY.
IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE, IT'LL BE THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, PARK IN THAT AREA OF THE CITY.
THE, PROBABLY THE ONE LARGE AREA OF THE CITY, THE LARGE COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE ONE.
UM, AND IT'S BEEN HOPED FOR, FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
IT, IT, IT HASN'T SHOWN UP YET, AND I'M GONNA BE A TOUGH COOKIE TO GET TO VOTE ON A LOT OF NON UNNECESSARY SPENDING BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR.
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DIAL PARK IMPROVEMENT AUTHORIZATION WAS LEGISLATION PREPARED BY ME ON OR ABOUT JUNE 9TH.UH, AND THE LAST TIME I MODIFIED THAT WAS JUNE 9TH, TWO AT 10:40 AM AND DRAWINGS OF THE THREE PLAY STRUCTURES AND THE, UM, PICNIC PAVILION WERE SCANNED, UM, INTO, UM, OR SCANNED INTO WHAT WOULD BE MY, MY DRIVE ON THE, UH, ON THE, UH, SERVER THAT SAME DAY ABOUT THAT SAME TIME.
SO THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT INFORMATION WAS SUBMITTED FOR AGENDA CONSIDERATION ON OR ABOUT THAT POINT IN TIME.
SO NEVER SEEN THESE, HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN THESE? I HAVEN'T SEEN, WELL, I SEEN 'EM WHEN THEY CAME OUT IN THE PACKET.
BUT PRIOR TO THE PACKET, HAVEN'T SEEN 'EM, NEVER SEEN THESE.
MAY, MAY I ASK, ARE THESE, IS THIS A PLACE AT AADA A COMPLIANT? UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE SETS THAT WE PROVIDED ARE NOT A D A COMPLIANT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO ACCESSIBILITY ONTO THOSE STRUCTURES.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE GROUNDS TO ACCESS THE EQUIPMENT WOULD BE, UM, SIMILAR TO OTHER FACILITIES.
SO WHERE WE HAVE THE, UH, THE TOUCH SOUND, UH, THE FIELD, YEAH, THE SENSORY, UM, UM, STRUCTURES, BUT NOT THE PLAY APPARATUS ITSELF.
I THOUGHT THAT THE LAW NOW REQUIRES US TO HAVE A D A COMPLIANCE IN NEW PARKS.
UH, I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT PARTICULAR, UM, WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROVISION, IF THAT'S THE CASE.
UM, AGAIN, UM, WE REACHED OUT TO THE VENDOR AND ASKED FOR A SERIES OF PLAY STRUCTURES THAT REFLECTED THE REQUEST.
UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS A SLIDE, A SWING SET, AND A JUNGLE GYM WERE WHAT WERE REQUESTED.
AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THOSE REQUESTS IN THE BUDGETED DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO THAT PROJECT.
I PASSED THIS BY SOMEBODY WITH A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD.
IT DIDN'T HAVE A FIVE POINT HARNESS ON THE DIAGRAMS. UM, THE GROUND HAS TO BE SMOOTH, A WHEELCHAIR TO GO OVER IT, AND EQUIPMENT ALLOWS WHEELCHAIRS TO GO IN AND LOCK IN.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE DIAGRAM, SO I'LL BE A NO.
SO AGAIN, WE WERE JUST WORKING ON THAT'S FINE.
THE REQUEST THAT WAS MADE AND THE FUNDING THAT WAS AVAILABLE.
IN THE INTEREST OF MAYBE MOVING THIS FORWARD, UM, THIS RIGHT HERE SHOWS $206,000 BETWEEN NOW AND MONDAY.
COULD YOU, AND, AND THE LEGISLATION IS FOR WHAT, CLOSE TO 500,000, COULD, CAN YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE COST DIFFERENCE WOULD BE TO, FOR THAT TO BE A D A EQUIPMENT? I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF IT IS THE INTEREST OF COUNSEL TO HAVE LEGISLATION TO BE ABLE TO ADOPT LEGISLATION ON, UM, ON MONDAY, THAT, UM, COUNSEL JUST PROVIDE THAT POLICY DIRECTION AND WE CAN AMEND THE EXISTING LEGISLATION.
AND IF THAT MEANS THAT OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE REQUESTED DESIGN NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE LATER DATE, UM, TO FOCUS MORE ON AN IMMEDIATE HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY COMPONENT TO THE, UH, PRINCIPAL PLAY STRUCTURE, THEN STAFF WILL MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT.
UM, MAXIMIZING THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE, RATHER, UM, TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE A COMPARATIVE DATA.
I, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO GET THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
NOT THAT WE WON'T TRY, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO GET THAT COMPARATIVE DATA.
AND IF IT'S IN THERE, I'LL BE A YES.
I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP ON COUNCIL MIN OTTO'S, UH, COMMENT ON THE RESOLUTION.
UM, SECTION TWO, IT SAYS, UPON COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE AFOREMENTIONED CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, AND YOU MENTIONED, I, I'M AN OLD GUY, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING IT EITHER.
SO, UM, WHY HAVEN'T WE SEEN A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN UNTIL NOW? UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THEN WE HAVEN'T APPROVED IT.
SO IS THIS, ARE WE AT THAT STAGE? IS THAT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE? WE'RE AT THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL, COUNSEL APPROVES THIS AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
I HOPE I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT YES, THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN HAS BEEN INCLUDED AS EXHIBIT A AND THEN, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE COST AND AUTHORITY TO SPEND IS INCLUDED IN SECTION THREE OF THE RESOLUTION.
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THE, UH, LANGUAGE IN THIS RESOLUTION, UH, THAT COUNCILMAN OTTO BROUGHT UP, UH, WE NEED TO GET MOVING ON THIS, RIGHT? APPROVES THAT.UH, RICHARD, THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT YOU AND I HAVE WORKED ON? YES, SIR.
AND YOU REPRESENT THIS WARD? YES, SIR.
AND IT'S AN AMENITY THAT YOUR WARD IS LOOKING TO GET? THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, SIR, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE 2014 AND, AND YOU PROBABLY INTRODUCED THIS TO ME, WHAT, A YEAR AGO OR SO, UH, OR SO? YES.
AND, AND, UH, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT IN AS I WAS THE FIRST TIME YOU PRESENTED IT.
SO, UH, I WILL BE VOTING FOR THIS MAYOR ON, UH, MONDAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OKAY.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY, NEXT UP IS ITEM
[ Request For Proposals - Finance Software]
THREE OH, REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR FINANCE SOFTWARE.SO THE TITLE OF THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE MISLEADING.
UM, THE LEGISLATION IS ASKING COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE, UH, MYSELF TO ENGAGE WITH THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONSULTANT FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR NEW FINANCE SOFTWARE.
UM, BASICALLY THE CITY'S FINANCE SOFTWARE TOUCHES ALL COMPONENTS OF CITY OPERATIONS, INCLUDING FINANCE, UH, OR INCLUDES FINANCE, INCOME TAX, UTILITY BILLING, PAYROLL, TIMEKEEPING, AND HUMAN RESOURCES.
THE CURRENT SOFTWARE IS IN NEED OF UPDATING.
UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INEFFICIENCIES, UM, THAT I'VE WITNESSED JUST IN MY FIRST FIVE WEEKS, AND THAT STAFF HAS STRUGGLED THROUGH PROBABLY FOR YEARS.
UM, THE REASON I'M PROPOSING THAT THE CITY HIRE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT IS BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PIECE OF SOFTWARE, UM, HOW MANY DIFFERENT AREAS IT COVERS.
AND THEY CAN NOT ONLY WRITE A GOOD R F P, BUT ALSO USHER US THROUGH THE, UM, PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
UM, IN THE EVENT THAT WE'RE SATISFIED WITH THIS, UH, FIRM, WE COULD ENGAGE THEM FOR IMPLEMENTATION SERVICES WHEN WE DO, UM, FINALLY IMPLEMENT THE SOFTWARE.
UM, I KNOW THERE COUNCIL RECEIVED SOME EMAILS, UH, EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT MAYBE THE COST IS TOO LOW.
UH, I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE, BUT, UM, BASICALLY WE ARE SEEKING A COMMERCIAL OUT OF THE BOX SOLUTION, WHICH MEANS WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ASKING PEOPLE TO WRITE SPECIAL SOFTWARE FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
WE'RE GOING TO FIND A PRODUCT THAT MEETS OUR NEEDS AND TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT, UH, INTO OUR OPERATIONS.
SO, UH, I, I THINK WE HAD A CALL WITH, UH, CROW TODAY, MYSELF, BRIAN, UM, JIM AND KATIE.
UM, I THINK WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN GET US A GOOD R F P, HELP US PICK THE RIGHT, THE CORRECT VENDOR, AND THEN, UM, POTENTIALLY, UH, DO AN IMPLEMENTATION.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN QUICKLY.
UH, IT'S AT LEAST A FOUR TO FIVE MONTH PROCESS OF CHOOSING A VENDOR AND PROBABLY AT LEAST A 12 TO 18 MONTH PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING A SYSTEM.
SO I THINK BY U UTILIZING A CONSULTANT AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT FIRM, WE CAN AVOID SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE EXPERIENCED WITH THE MOTOROLA CAD IMPLEMENTATION, UM, THAT WE'RE STILL KIND OF STRUGGLING THROUGH.
SO, I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS, RICK, I'LL JUST ASK, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN AGAIN, EVERY, BE MORE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT ALL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT THIS MM-HMM.
SO EVERY EMPLOYEE HAS ACCESS TO THAT SYSTEM.
UM, HOPEFULLY THIS PRODUCT WOULD HAVE A COMPONENT OF THAT.
UM, EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD AND, AND PROBABLY MID-LEVEL MANAGEMENT, UH, IS INVOLVED WITH AUTHORITY, FINANCES, THE PRODUCT NOW, WHICH IS HOW WE GET OUR PURCHASE ORDERS AND DO OUR REQUISITIONS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY INCOME TAX HAS THEIR OWN, UH, PRODUCT THEY USE TO TAKE TAX PAYMENTS.
UM, UTILITY BILLING, EVEN THOUGH VEOLIA, UM, HANDLES THAT WE PROVIDE THE SOFTWARE FOR THEIR BILLING OFFICE.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO HR, UM, THERE'S PRODUCTS SURROUNDING TALENT MANAGEMENT.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE CURRENTLY TAKE ELECTRONIC, UH, APPLICATIONS.
SO THERE'S A WHOLE LOSS OF EFFICIENCY BY NOT HAVING APPLICANTS ENTER THEIR OWN INFORMATION.
IT DUMPS INTO THE SYSTEM, IT CAN THEN GO INTO THE PAYROLL SYSTEM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO BY INTEGRATING ALL OF THESE THINGS, I THINK WE COULD SAVE A LOT OF TIME RATHER THAN, UM, FOCUS ENERGY ON HIRING MORE STAFF, BASICALLY.
I, I'M NOT, UH, I'M NOT ONE FOR ATTABOYS.
UM, MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL AND STAFF SITTING OVER HERE CAN TELL YOU THIS.
UM, I'VE READ THROUGH ALL 14 PAGES OF THIS, UM, AND, UH, I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS A, UH, GREAT CATCH, UH, FOR BEING, UH, DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY, THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK.
UH, LOOKING AT ALL, UM, PHASES ONE AND TWO, UM, I BELIEVE YOU'RE ASKING
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FOR THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF 75,000.IT IS MY ASSUMPTION THAT ONCE WE GET TO PHASE THREE, WHICH IS GONNA BE, AS YOU STATED, THAT LONGER TIME PERIOD, UM, THAT'S WHERE SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS COULD COME INTO PLAY.
BUT THAT'S ONLY IF YOU ARE SATISFIED AS A CITY MANAGER WITH THE FIRST TWO PHASES.
DID, DID I ASSUME THAT CORRECTLY? THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, IF THE FIRM DOESN'T MEET OUR EXPECTATIONS, UM, WE CAN, AND WE STILL WANT TO UTILIZE A PROJECT MANAGEMENT FIRM FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
WE CAN SEEK OUT, UH, OTHER FIRMS TO DO THAT WORKFORCE.
AND IF MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, ESPECIALLY THROUGH, UH, I THINK PAGES SIX AND NINE, UM, IT WAS, IT, IT WAS A LOT OF, THERE COULD BE SO MUCH MORE HERE THAT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW, UM, THAT COULD NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, BOOST ONE, UM, BUT MULTIPLE LEVELS OF CITY FUNCTION HERE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ASKING FOR US TO KIND OF GO DOWN THIS PATH AND LOOK AT PHASES ONE AND TWO, UM, BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, DO AN, UH, ALL IN CHIPS.
MAYOR, UH, WITH THAT IN, UH, MIND, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS TO MONDAY FOR SUPPORT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE IT ON.
[ Staffing Levels/Table Of Organization]
IS ITEM THREE P, WHICH IS STAFFING LEVELS AND TABLE OF ORGANIZATION.SO, UM, I MENTIONED IN MY COMMENTS EARLIER THAT I WAS GONNA BRING A, UM, SHORT TERM SOLUTION THAT REALLY WORKS FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
SO THE LEGISLATION BEFORE YOU WOULD AUTHORIZE MYSELF AS A SAFETY OR CITY MANAGER TO, UM, TO ACTUALLY INCREASE THE HEADCOUNT OF ANY CITY DEPARTMENT FOR A PLANNED RETIREMENT, UH, EXTENDED LEAVE, SUCH AS A MILITARY LEAVE, UM, EXTENDED MEDICAL LEAVE, UH, OR EVEN SEPARATION FROM THE CITY.
SO SITUATIONS WHERE WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING WE NEED, UM, THIS IS SIMILAR TO AUTHORITY I HAD WITH THE CITY OF MOUNT VERNON, AND, UM, IT SEEMS TO HAVE WORKED WELL, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF HIRING MAYBE A POLICE OFFICER OR FIREFIGHTER THREE MONTHS EARLY, GET THEM THROUGH THEIR TRAINING PERIOD.
AND WHEN OUR, UH, EMPLOYEE RETIRES, UM, THAT PERSON IS READY TO GET, GET STARTED.
UH, IN THE CURRENT SITUATION AS IT RELATES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE HAD AN EMPLOYEE ON EXTENDED MILITARY LEAVE FOR GOING ON, I BELIEVE, FOUR YEARS.
IS THAT RIGHT BRIAN? AND WITH THIS AUTHORITY, I CAN EASILY, UH, HIRE AN ADDITIONAL OFFICER, TAKE OUR HEADCOUNT FROM 55 TO 56 TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT THIS EMPLOYEE'S ON MILITARY LEAVE AND TALKING TO CHIEF LIGHTNER, AT LEAST ONE PERSON OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS IS GONNA BE RETIRING EVERY YEAR.
SO IF WE END UP WITH AN EXTRA BODY THAT WE FIND WE DON'T NEED, WE CAN WAIT, LET THE ATTRITION WORK, ITS ITSELF OUT AND GO BACK TO 55.
UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THIS IS FOR, UM, FIRE, IT, IT WOULD BE FOR ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY WHERE WE KNOW SOMETHING'S COMING AND WE CAN PREPARE FOR THAT.
UM, BY BRINGING THE STAFF ON EARLY.
I DID WANT TO GIVE COUNSEL AN UPDATE ON THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
THE CITY'S ISSUED THREE FINAL OFFICERS TO POLICE CANDIDATES, UH, ONE CONDITIONAL OFFER.
AND WE'VE STARTED A BACKGROUND CHECK ON ANOTHER, UM, AS I THINK I'VE EXPRESSED TO COUNCIL BEFORE, WE DON'T HAVE A HIRING LIST RIGHT NOW, SO POSTING IS GOING OUT THIS WEEK, UH, TO GET ANOTHER LIST OF CANDIDATES FOR, UH, POLICE.
I THINK WE'RE ALSO GETTING READY TO DO A LIST OF CANDIDATES FOR FIRE, UM, THAT WAY WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK FROM.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, BASICALLY WHAT THIS DOES IS IT JUST ALLOWS SOME FLEXIBILITY TO INCREASE STAFFING WHEN IT'S NEEDED.
BUT, UH, IF SOME DAY WE'VE GOT ALL 55 EMPLOYEES AT WORK AND ABLE TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE SHIPS, MAYBE THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM.
BUT WE ARE STILL DOING OUR RESEARCH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, ABOUT, UH, THE DATA.
AND I DO EXPECT TO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF THAT IN DECEMBER.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THIS? YES, RICHARD.
UM, WHEN DO WE, WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE HAVING THAT, UM, INFORMATION BACK IN DECEMBER? AND WILL IT BE DISCUSSED IN DECEMBER? SO, I RE I ACTUALLY EMAILED, UH, THE CONSULTANT TODAY.
I, WHILE WE WERE HERE, I GOT AN EMAIL BACK THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH, UH, US NEXT WEEK.
UM, SO I WILL GET A DEFINITIVE DATE FROM HIM, UM, AT THAT TIME.
BUT, UM, I CAN HOPEFULLY RELAY THAT BY EMAIL TO COUNSEL, BUT I'LL ALSO MENTION IT IN THE NEXT MEETING AFTERWARDS.
UM, I, I THINK THIS IS A, A, AGAIN, AS I STATED IN THE PREVIOUS LEGISLATION, A, UH, UM, A GREAT WAY, UH, FOR YOU TO COME ON BOARD.
UH, REALLY, UH, YOU'VE TAKEN A, UM, A 50,000 FOOT VIEW AND YOU'VE SEEN THAT, UM, THIS TYPE OF LEGISLATION WOULD BE BENEFICIAL AND NOT JUST HUMAN RESOURCES TAX DIVISION, UH, BUT IN ALL AREAS OF THE CITY.
UM, I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY A, UH, A GREAT WAY FORWARD.
UM, I STILL STAND WITH MY RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT I BELIEVE WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, UM, IMMEDIATELY, UH, TO PUT FOUR POLICE
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OFFICERS, UM, IN THERE.UM, WHETHER OR NOT THOSE FOUR POLICE OFFICERS BECOME COMMUNITY RELATIONS STAFF, UM, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THAT'S FOUR ADDITIONAL BODIES.
UM, THAT WITH THIS NEW LIST, THE, UH, THE HIRING PROCESS CAN BEGIN.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, IT IS MY, MY BELIEF AND, UH, ONLY TIME WILL TELL, UM, THAT I BELIEVE THE RESEARCH IS GONNA COME BACK AND SHOW THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED JUST FOUR, WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE.
UM, SO, UH, I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THE CITY CAN, YOU KNOW, GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE INSTEAD OF, UH, COMING, UH, YOU KNOW, OUT IN, YOU KNOW, FEBRUARY, MARCH OR WHENEVER THE FINAL RESEARCH OF, OF EVERYTHING'S DONE AND SAYS, HEY, UM, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, BLOW UP THE BUDGET BECAUSE NOW WE NEED 10 OFFICERS.
AND THEN MR. AND MRS. JOHN Q TAXPAYER'S GONNA SAY, HEY, DIDN'T YOU JUST PASS A LEVEE TO MAINTAIN CITY SERVICES? UM, NOW WHAT? NOW, NOW WE'RE ADDING MONEY.
UM, THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF CONFUSION COMING OUT OF AN ELECTION YEAR.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT, UH, I, I BELIEVE IT WOULD SHOW SOME GOOD FAITH.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS MADE A RECOMMENDATION AND, AND, UH, I, I RESPECT HIS RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITH HIS POSITION.
UM, HOWEVER, I, I DO BELIEVE THE NEED IS HERE.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE ENOUGH RESEARCH TO SHOW US, UM, THAT THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE HIGHER.
UM, AND IT IS MY HOPE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF COUNSEL IS WILLING, WE CAN, UM, UH, AMEND THIS LEGISLATION AND GO AHEAD AND, AND PUT THOSE FOUR ON THERE ACCORDING TO THE CITY MANAGER.
THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, UM, THAT JUST WITH THIS LEGISLATION IS GONNA BRING ON TWO ADDITIONAL BODIES THAT WE DON'T HAVE NOW, ONE TO TWO.
SO FOLKS, WE'RE, WE'RE HALFWAY THERE TO THAT NUMBER FOUR.
UM, BUT, UH, THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS, MAYOR.
UM, I, I DO SUPPORT THIS LEGISLATION, BUT I THINK WE CAN JUST GO A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, AND, UH, AND GET WHERE WE NEED TO BE, IN MY OPINION.
SO I APPRECIATE THIS COMMENTS, RICHARD.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'LL JUST, I'LL SAY I, I'M, I'LL BE HONEST, I WAS, I WAS QUITE SHOCKED TO FIND OUT, UM, FROM A MANPOWER PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD 55 FUNDED OFFICERS FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME FOR LONG, AS I REMEMBER OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS THAT FUNDED AT 55.
WE'VE BEEN PAYING FOR PROBABLY 53 OR 54 AT ANY GIVEN TIME BECAUSE JUST 'CAUSE SOMEONE'S ON LIGHT DUTY OR SOMEONE'S ON MILITARY LEAVE OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS, DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT STILL PAYING FOR THOSE POSITIONS.
BUT THOSE WEREN'T AVAILABLE OFFICERS TO ACTUALLY BE WORKING.
SO I THINK, UM, SO WE GOT KIND OF A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD HERE, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE THE POLICE UNION FRUSTRATED THAT THEY CAME HERE AND SAID THEY NEED HELP OR, OR WHATEVER.
BUT I THINK LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS, IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN, HAD THE FULLY FUNDED AMOUNT OF THE POLICE FORCE ACTUALLY AVAILABLE TO WORK IN THE POLICE FORCE.
I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD KNOW WHAT THE UNION WOULD THINK AND, AND WHAT OUR DATA WOULD BE IF WE ACTUALLY HAD ALL 55 PEOPLE WORKING.
NOT 46, BECAUSE WE HAD ONLY HAD 50 THAT WERE HIRED, AND THEN WE HAD FOUR THAT WERE OUT FOR EITHER LEAVE.
I MEAN, SO 55 FUNDED, WE'RE PAYING HER 54, BUT WE GOT 46 WORKING THE STREET.
SO, SO I, I RESPECT AND APPRECI SURE EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID, RICHARD, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY IS OPERATED ON AND I'M, AND I'M, LOOK, I DON'T THINK YOU KNEW IT, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE KNEW IT, THAT WE HAD 46 OFFICERS WORKING WHEN 55 WERE FUNDED.
I KNEW THAT COULD BE A, A BIG MISS ON OUR PART, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE, THE CITY LOOKS LIKE OPERATING FULLY STAFFED WITH WHAT IS, WITH WHAT IS APPROVED NOW.
IT HAS BEEN SO LONG SINCE WE'VE BEEN THERE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF US KNOW THE, KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
SO, UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS MAKING SENSE, BUT WHAT I'M ALSO NOT INTERESTED IN DOING IS JUST FLUFFING THE NUMBERS FOR FLUFFING THE NUMBERS SINK.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT DOES ANYBODY ANY GOOD EITHER.
I THINK WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THE REAL DATA IS WITH THE FULLY FUNDED OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AT 55, AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN THERE FOR, FOR A LONG TIME.
AND SHAME ON US FOR NOT KNOWING, AND SHAME ON US FOR NOT FOR NOT ASKING WHAT THOSE, WHAT THOSE NUMBERS REALLY LOOK LIKE.
BUT IF ANYBODY UP HERE WASN'T SHOCKED, LOOKING AND SEEING THAT
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OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE BEEN IN A SITUATION, WE'VE GOT 46 AVAILABLE OFFICERS WHEN 55 WERE FUNDED, AND I WAS, I'M JUST BEING HONEST, DON.UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE RESOLUTION ITSELF FOR A MOMENT AND FIRST OF ALL SAY THAT I THINK IT IS, UH, NOTHING SHORT OF, UH, VISIONARY RICK, WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THIS, BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES ALLOW US TO FULFILL, UM, I'LL JUST SAY OUR PROMISE THEN.
THE PROMISE IS THAT WE'RE GONNA STAFF AT THIS LEVEL AND DO LIKE ON THE CHART YOU'VE SHOWN US HERE, DUE TO A NUMBER OF REASONS WE DON'T STAFF AT THAT LEVEL.
UM, I, I LIKE THE WAY THE RESOLUTION IS WRITTEN.
I THINK IT WILL GIVE YOU THE FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE AHEAD AND KEEP US AT THE PROPER STAFFING LEVELS.
UH, I THINK THE DISCUSSION OF ADDITIONAL, UH, PERSONNEL IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE.
UH, I SEE IT AS A SEPARATE ISSUE.
I THINK THIS RESOLUTION IS BOTH A SHORT TERM AND, AND REALLY A LONG TERM SOLUTION TO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE JOB.
UH, I'D ALSO MENTION THAT I NOTED THAT IT IS NOT POLICE SPECIFIC.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY DEPARTMENTS IN GENERAL.
SO IF MIKE GRAY IS IN A SIMILAR SITUATION IN PUBLIC WORKS, AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT THIS LEGISLATION WILL ALLOW YOU TO, UM, FULFILL MIKE GRAY'S NEEDS AS WELL? YES.
UH, OVERALL I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT, UH, RESOLUTION.
I WILL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF IT, UH, SHOULD IT COME TO A VOTE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR, OR COMMENTS? UM, FOR ANYTHING SPECIFIC OR REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION FOR, FOR MONDAY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? NO.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THAT ON.
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Q, WHICH IS THE CITIZENS COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD, UH, FROM OUR DIVERSITY COMMISSION.SO, UH, RICK, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO? YEP.
SO, UM, I KNOW WE HEARD FROM, UH, OUR REGULAR UPDATE FROM THE, UM, CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION.
UM, THEY HAD A NUMBER OF ITEMS THEY WANTED ME TO LOOK INTO.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOKED INTO THAT ISN'T ON HERE TODAY IS THE, UH, THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
UM, I KNOW A FEW COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO GIVE ME THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
UM, BUT ACTUALLY COUNSEL HAS ALREADY AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER TO ISSUE THE R F Q FOR THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
SO AS SOON AS I HAVE IT FINE TUNED, I WILL ISSUE THAT AS I'VE INFORMED THE, UM, CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WANTED ME TO LOOK INTO IS THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK, BOTH THE ACTION COMMISSION, UM, BRIAN, AS WELL AS CHIEF LIGHTNER, UM, WORKING ON THIS CITIZEN COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD.
I THINK I TALKED TO BRIAN, I TALKED TO THE CHIEF.
UM, BASICALLY WHAT IT WOULD DO IS IF THERE IS A COMPLAINT ISSUED TO THE POLICE DIVISION, ACCUSING, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY INDICATING THAT THERE MIGHT BE BIAS INVOLVED, THIS BOARD WILL REVIEW IT AND MAKE ANY POLICY OR TRAINING RECOMMENDATIONS TO AVOID THAT SITUATION IN THE FUTURE.
SO, UM, STAFF ADMINISTRATION, WE ARE FULLY IN SUPPORT OF MOVING THIS FORWARD.
ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE C C R B BOARD? NO COMMENT.
UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE FLOW CHART I IS VERY, VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
EVEN FOR, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS WILL BE PUBLISHED, IF IT'LL BE ON THE WEBSITE, BUT FOR, UM, SOMEONE WHO WISHES TO INITIATE A COMPLAINT, IT'S EASY TO FOLLOW THROUGH THE FLOW CHART.
WELL, AND I DIDN'T PUT IT TOGETHER.
I HAD NO ROLE IN GETTING THIS TOGETHER, BUT BRIAN, WHO DID PUT THE FLOW CHART, WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, MR. KAI.
UM, ACTUALLY THE FLOW CHART WAS, UH, UH, LARGELY ASSEMBLED, UH, BY, UH, MR AT THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE INVOLVEMENT OF MR. STEVENS FROM THE, UH, COMMISSION ITSELF.
AND THEN, UH, WE MADE SOME FINAL RECOMMENDATION, OR WE MADE SOME FINAL TWEAKS TO THAT BASED ON, UH, BASED ON WHAT THEY, THEY, UH, THEY RECOMMENDED.
SO IT WAS, UH, REALLY A TEAM EFFORT.
UH, WE STILL NEED TO MAKE A FEW MODIFICATIONS TO THE POLICY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
UH, SO, UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT STAFF, UH, UH, UPDATES THE POLICY TO REFLECT WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN THE ACTUAL COVER LEGISLATION.
BUT, UH, UH, IT WAS A REAL TEAM EFFORT.
UM, AS, UH, AS RICK HAD SAID, UH, MYSELF, CHIEF LIGHTNER, KATIE LEY, UH, ERIC RICHARDSON, ERIC STEVENS, AND, UM, OH GOSH, TARA PURVIS, UH, WE WERE THE SIX THAT WORKED TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.
SO THEY WERE VERY MUCH COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.
AND, UH, A GREAT GROUP OF FOLKS TO WORK WITH.
IT SOUNDS LIKE, SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT EVERYBODY AGREES ON.
WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
SO THERE'RE GOING TO BE RESIDENTS OF HUBER, ALL THE COMPONENTS OF THE COMMITTEE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
I THINK IN THE, IN THE LEGISLATION, UH, OH, YEAH.
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SO WHEN WE ASSEMBLED THE POLICY, AS I SAID, THE POLICY IS SOMEWHAT DATED.SO THAT WAS PRIOR TO A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT HAD COME OUT OF, UH, SOME OF THE RECENT COMMUNICATIONS WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE LAW DIRECTOR'S OFFICE ON, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP AND WHATNOT.
SO THAT'S BEEN CORRECTED IN THE ACTUAL AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION.
AND SO THE ATTACHMENT, THE POLICY THAT'S ATTACHED TO, THAT'LL BE, UH, UPDATED TO REFLECT, UH, WHAT'S IN THE COVER LEGISLATION.
THANK YOU FOR WORKING ON THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE IT ON.
UH, NEXT, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, THERE IS A REASON AND A NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.
SO I'LL HAVE TONY, UH, GO OVER THAT.
WE NEED, UH, MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THREE REASONS THIS EVENING.
UH, THE FIRST IS, UM, TO CONSIDER UNDER A HIGH REVISED CODE 1 21 0.22 PARAGRAPH, UH, G FIVE TRADE SECRETS AS ASSOCIATED WITH CERTAIN LEASES FOR THE FORMER CR DAYTON PROPERTY, WHICH ARE CONFIDENTIAL AS TRADE SECRETS UNDER A OHIO REVISED CODE 1330 3.61.
THE SECOND REASON WOULD BE TO CONSIDER THE SALE OR OTHER DISPOSITION OF UNNEEDED PROPERTY BY COMPETITIVE BID.
AND THE THIRD REASON WOULD BE TO, UH, PREPARE FOR CONDUCTING OR REVIEWING NEGOTIATIONS OR BARGAINING SESSIONS WITH PUBLIC EMPLOYEES CONCERNING THEIR COMPENSATION OR OTHER TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THEIR EMPLOYMENT.
IS THERE A MOTION? NOT, UH, I WILL MOVE.
AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
TONY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL MS. BAKER? YES.
UH, MOTION CARRIES TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION SIX TO ZERO.
SO IT IS NOW EIGHT 13 AND WE WILL GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND UPON COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE WILL, UH, COME BACK TO THE ICE AND I WOULDN'T KNOW IF ANY ACTION WAS TAKEN.
OKAY, IT IS 9 24 AND WE HAVE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW, UH, ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDED TO, UH, MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA FOR THE 23RD.
SO THAT ACTION THAT WAS, UH, DECIDED UPON IS TO UPDATE THE LEASE AGREEMENT AT 60 61 BRANT PIKE FOR POSH SALON.
UH, ALSO THERE'LL BE A PURCHASE AND SALES AGREEMENT FOR CONTINENTAL PROPERTIES, AND THEN THERE WILL BE, UH, MOUS, UH, FOR, UH, WAGE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE I A F F WAGE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE AFSCME WAGES, UH, ADJUSTMENT FOR DISPATCH, A WAGE ADJUSTMENT FOR CLERKS.
AND THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE, AND THOSE WOULD ALSO BE MOUS.
AND THEN THERE'LL NEED TO BE AN M O U FOR A LANGUAGE CHANGE FOR THE F M L A, FOR THE I A F F.
SO WITH THOSE CHANGES, THOSE WILL BE ADDED TO MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING AND IT IS NOW 9 25 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.