Oct 03, 2023 Council Work Session

BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER THREE, EIGHT, WHICH IS OUR C MANAGER REPORT.

NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.

AND WE'LL

[ City Manager Report]

RICK, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.

HOW YOU DOING, MAYOR? I'M WELL, THANK YOU.

UM, YEAH, I'LL START OFF, UH, WITH OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, UH, LIKE YOU TO JOIN ME IN WELCOMING MELISSA SHERMAN, AN HR SPECIALIST.

UH, HER FIRST DAY WITH THE CITY WAS MONDAY.

UM, SHE JOINS US FROM FIVE RIVERS HEALTH AND PRIOR TO THAT FIVE RIVERS METRO PARK.

I KNOW KATIE AND LAURA ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THE, THE MUCH NEEDED HELP IN THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT.

UM, WANTED TO PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE SPLASH PAD.

I KNOW COUNSEL HAD A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPLASH PAD LAST WEEK.

UM, STAFF IS STILL DIGGING, DIGGING INTO A NUMBER OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

UM, BUT MIKE WAS ABLE TO FILL ME IN ON THE $30,000 ESTIMATE FOR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE.

UH, OF THAT 30,000, 18,000 APPROXIMATELY IS, UH, PUBLIC WORK STAFF FOR LABOR.

4,000 IS PARTS MATERIALS FOR REPAIRS.

AND THEN, UH, 8,000, UH, USED TO BE SERVICES AT THE Y M C A CONTRACTED OUT, WHICH THEY'RE NO LONGER DOING.

UNFORTUNATELY, GETTING A LOT OF HISTORICAL DATA IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE CITY, UH, ONLY STARTED USING AN ELECTRONIC WORK ORDER SYSTEM ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.

SO MOVING FORWARD, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CAPTURE MUCH BETTER DATA THAN MAYBE PRIOR TO THAT.

SO WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE SPLASH PAD, UH, CONVERSATION IN THE COMING WEEKS.

UM, NEXT ITEM, UH, SEPTEMBER 21ST.

STAFF WERE BRIEFED ON THE LIVABLE COMMUNITY SURVEY.

UH, THE NEXT PHASE IS FOR STAFF TO UTILIZE THAT SURVEY TO IDENTIFY PRIORITIES, UH, INCLUDING PRIORITIES FOR THE AGE-FRIENDLY COMMUNITY INITIATIVE THAT I KNOW, UM, MS. BIRCH HAS ASKED ABOUT.

UM, I'LL MENTION IT HERE.

UH, RUSS FILLED ME IN THAT THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT HAS STARTED ON TOMBERG DRIVE.

UH, WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TO BE FINISHED BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

UM, I KNOW WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OUR, UH, CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION.

UH, THIS WEEK I WAS BROUGHT, UH, UP TO SPEED ON SOME OF THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY, UH, COMMISSION INITIATIVES.

UM, RIGHT NOW, ONE OF MY PRIORITIES IS TO RELEASE AN R F P FOR A NEEDS ASSESSMENT TO HELP GUIDE FUTURE DECISION MAKING.

UM, I DO KNOW YOLANDA, WHO'S HERE TO SPEAK.

UH, NEXT, UH, HAD DID SEND ME YESTERDAY, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT A CITIZEN COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD.

SO I INTEND TO SPEND THE REST OF THIS WEEK REVIEWING THAT.

UH, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO JOINING YOUR MEETING ON THURSDAY NIGHT.

AND FINALLY, UH, THE FALL FESTIVAL FOR THE INVITE A VET FOUNDATION IS THIS WEEKEND AT THE BARN ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.

UH, THIS WILL BE HAPPENING BOTH SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, STARTING AT NOON.

UM, FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT KNOW, INVITE A VET IS A LOCAL NONPROFIT SUPPORTING VETERANS.

THEIR MISSION IS TO HELP, UH, VETERANS TELL THEIR STORIES, CONNECT AND ADVOCATE FOR VETERAN RECOGNITION AND BENEFITS.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR.

ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, FOR RICK, ANYTHING HE DISCUSSED? YES, ED.

UH, RICK, UM, THE HUBER HEIGHTS STAFFING, UH, FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

HIRING PROCESS, EITHER EXAM OR HIRING PROCESS TO PUT A NEW LIST TOGETHER.

AS FAR AS THE HIRING PROCESSES, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE FOR THAT AS YEP.

REQUESTED? I KNOW YOU HAD IT IN THE LAST MEETING, BUT I YEP.

REQUESTED THAT TO BE CONTINUOUS THROUGHOUT EACH OF OUR MEETINGS.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO, UH, I SIGNED TWO FINAL OFFERS THIS WEEK FOR, UH, WELL, ONE WAS FOR THE ACCREDITATION MANAGER.

ONE WAS FOR AN OFFICER.

UM, I SIGNED ANOTHER CONDITIONAL OFFER TODAY.

UM, BRINGS US UP TO 54 IN THE PIPELINE.

UM, WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ON THOSE CONDITIONAL OFFERS.

OBVIOUSLY A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM, BACKGROUND CHECK.

UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE, UM, CHIEF JUST TOLD ME TODAY THAT HE FOUND OUT THAT ONE OF OUR OFFICERS MAY BE LEAVING TO GO BACK TO RIVERSIDE.

UM, BUT ONE OF THE CANDIDATES, UH, FROM ANOTHER CITY WHO HAD PULLED OUT, ALSO CALLED TO INFORM, UH, HIM AND HR TODAY THAT THEY'D LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED FURTHER AS PART OF THE PROCESS.

SO, ASSUMING ALL OF OUR CONDITIONAL OFFERS ARE SUCCESSFUL, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA NEED POSSIBLY TWO MORE JUST TO GET US TO THAT 55 LIMIT RIGHT NOW.

AND WHEN, WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE, UM, THOSE CONDITIONAL OFFERS AND THE PROCESSING TO BE, UH, BROUGHT IN FIRST DAY OF WORK? SO FOR THOSE, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS.

UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS, IS AFTER THIS PROCESS IS DONE WITH PD, WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE LEFT ON OUR LIST.

SO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER, UM,

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SO, UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE US A FEW MONTHS TO GET THAT LIST SET UP AS WELL.

ALRIGHT.

UM, AND ALSO, YOU SENT IT OUT AN EMAIL TO ALL OF COUNSEL, UM, WITH SOME INFORMATION THAT HAD BEEN REQUESTED.

ONE OF 'EM WAS THE, UH, STOLEN VEHICLES MM-HMM.

, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, UM, GETTING OUT TO US, BUT IT'S BROKEN DOWN BY YEAR.

AND THEN THIS YEAR WAS FROM JANUARY, LIKE SEPTEMBER.

UH, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY STOLEN VEHICLES WE HAD LAST WEEK? UH, I DIDN'T BREAK IT DOWN THAT CLOSELY, BUT I CAN GO AHEAD AND GET, SEE IF I CAN GET IT BY WEEK.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY SYSTEMS ACTION COMMISSION QUARTERLY UPDATE.

WEEK OR IS WEEK OR MONTH? WHAT'S BEST? WELL, UM, CONSIDERING COUNSEL DIDN'T HIRE ADDITIONAL, UH, FUND ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS, I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW MANY, UM, UH, STOLEN VEHICLES WE HAD LAST WEEK.

AND THEN OKAY.

UH, ON TOP OF THAT, HOW MANY ACCIDENTS WE HAD ATTRIBUTED TO, UH, HIGH SPEED ACCIDENTS LAST WEEK.

[ Culture And Diversity Citizen Action Commission Update]

HELLO EVERYONE.

HOW'S EVERYONE DOING? WONDERFUL.

GREAT.

FOOD, GETTING TO MY POINT OF OUR CONVENIENCE FOR CONVENIENCE STORES THAT ARE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

I'M YOLANDA STEVENS.

I AM THE INTERIM CHAIR, UM, AND FOUNDER OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS CULTURE AND DIVERSITY ASSISTANT ACTION COMMISSION.

AND I'M HERE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE.

UM, I LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE IF YOU WANNA STAND UP SO YOU CAN PLEASE BE RECOGNIZED, BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE WORK VERY, VERY HARD ON THIS COMMISSION, SO I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO BE RECOGNIZED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, .

SO, JUST AN UPDATE, UM, SINCE OUR, THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE HERE WAS IN JUNE.

SO I'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON A FEW OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THEN OR BEEN WORKING ON.

ONE WAS OUR CULTURE WEEK, AS YOU'RE AWARE.

UM, WE HAVE A WEEK OF EVENTS THAT ARE FOCUSED ON CULTURE, CULTURE AND BUILDING INCLUSION AND DIVERSITY WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO AS PART OF THAT WEEK, WE DO THE MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE CULTURAL CULTURES REPRESENTED IN FOOD, ENTERTAINMENT AND VENDORS AS WELL.

WE HAD A REALLY GREAT TURNOUT FOR THAT THIS YEAR.

UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CITY.

CONTINUING TO DO THAT.

WE HAD OUR JUNETEENTH FESTIVAL ON JUNE 17TH.

AGAIN, A REALLY GREAT TURNOUT FOR THE JUNETEENTH FESTIVAL.

WE HAD, UM, MINORITY VENDORS THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED AT THAT EVENT AS PART OF JUNETEENTH.

WE ALSO HAD AN EDUCATION FORUM ON THURSDAY, JUNE 22ND, AT THE HUBER HEIGHTS COMMUNITY CENTER.

AND THE TOPIC OF THAT WAS PATHWAYS TO OVERCOMING HEALTH AND WEALTH, WEALTH BARRIERS IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND SURROUNDING AREAS.

AND THE OBJECTIVE OF THAT WAS TO DISCUSS AND EDUCATE THE PHYSICAL AND FINANCIAL DISPARITIES THAT AFFECT DIVERSE AND MULTI-ETHNIC COMMUNITIES.

SO WE HAD AN EXPERT, UH, PANEL, UH, PANEL OF EXPERTS THAT TALKED ABOUT THESE DISPARITIES, THE FACTS, THE STATISTICS, THE COURSES OF ACTION, AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO, UM, THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL TO ALLEVIATE THESE DISPARITIES.

SO OUR EDUCATION FORUMS ARE FOCUSED ON NOT JUST EDUCATING OUR COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, EDUCATE CITY COUNCIL, CITY LEADERS AS WELL.

AND I KNOW THAT THIS PAST, UM, EDUCATION FORUM, WE DID NOT HAVE CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATION BECAUSE THERE WAS A CONFLICT WITH THE MEETING THAT HAPPENED WITH CITY COUNCIL.

WE DID HAVE NINE MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE.

WE HAVE A FACEBOOK 134 VIEWS AND LIKES AS WELL.

UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO VIEW THE RECORDING IF YOU HAVE NOT VIEWED THE RECORDING, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PERTINENT INFORMATION IN THAT VIDEO FROM OUR PANEL OF EXPERTS THAT PERTAINS TO OUR CITY, UM, AND INCLUSION IN OUR CITY PRIMARILY.

SOME OF THE KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THAT SESSION WERE THE FIRM, THE TERM FOOD SOVEREIGNTY, WHICH WAS ADDRESSED, WHICH JUST SIMPLY MEANS ASSURING THOSE INDIVIDUALS OF DIVERSE CULTURES IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH AND CULTURE, APPROPRIATE FOODS THROUGHOUT ECONOMIC AND ECOLOGICAL MEASURES.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, AS A CITY AND CITY COUNCIL, WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND, ESPECIALLY AS OUR COMMUNITY BECOMES MORE DIVERSE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, GAS STATIONS AND CONVENIENCE STORES AND THINGS POPPING UP ACROSS OUR CITY.

SO WE NEED TO KEEP THIS IN LIGHT THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE ACROSS OUR COMMUNITY HAS ACCESS TO FOOD AND THERE ARE NO FOOD DISPARITIES THERE.

UM, THEY ALSO DISCUSS FOOD SWAMPS IS WHEN AN AREA HAS FOUR MORE, FOUR OR MORE CORNER STORES WITH UN WITH UNHEALTHY

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SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO KEEP LIGHT OF AT CITY COUNCIL AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF OUR, UM, OUR POPULATION HAS ACCESS TO HEALTHY FOOD.

SO WE HAVE OUR RECOMMENDATION.

WE'VE HAD FIVE FORUMS SO FAR, SIX ACTUALLY OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS.

AND WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE CITY COUNCIL PARTICIPATE IN THESE BECAUSE A LOT OF CONVERSATION HAPPENS IN THESE FORUMS. ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NOT HAD ATTENDANCE THAT WE WANT, THE DEPTH OF INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED IN THESE FORUMS IS ESSENTIAL, ESPECIALLY AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, AS LEADERS IN THE CITIES.

IT BRINGS, IT BRINGS FORWARD A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.

UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN BUSY DOING MOVING FORWARD.

UM, AS, AS MR. ZICK MENTIONED, WE WANNA FOCUS ON THE C C R B AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE.

WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, WHERE IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, UH, SINCE I BELIEVE APRIL OF THIS YEAR.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMISSION HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH CHIEF LIGHTNER AND OUR PREVIOUS INTERIM, UM, CITY MANAGER BRIAN DUKOWSKI ON PRODUCING THIS PROCESS, THE CITIZENS' COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY REQUESTED BY THE NAACP IN 2020 AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE HAVE NO CHALLENGES THERE.

SO WE HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY ON THAT AND ARE, THAT SITS WITH CITY COUNCIL NOW.

SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT BASED ON THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM NAACP AND THE FACT THAT WE KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

ACTUALLY, MR. STEVENS PRESENTED ON THAT AT THE FIRST SUBURBS CONSORTIUM MEETING, AND HE HAD LOTS OF QUESTIONS, UM, FROM OTHER CITIES THAT MAY BE INTERESTED IN DOING THE SAME THINGS.

SO ANOTHER THING THAT WE LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDRESSING OR LOOKING AT IS HOW THE CITY AND CITY COUNCIL IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO PROMOTE DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION, AND UPHOLD THE ACTION ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN THE PROCLAMATION DENOUNCING RACISM THAT WE HAVE ON OUR WEBSITE.

SO THAT WAS PUT ON OUR WEBSITE, I BELIEVE, IN 2020.

UM, AND WE HAVE QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS COMMITTED TO DOING AS PART OF THAT PROCLAMATION.

UM, SO I, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT WE PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING WITH THAT, BECAUSE AS THE CITY CITY COUNCIL COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO RENEW ITS FOCUS ON SOCIAL JUSTICE AND RACIAL EQUITY, CITY COUNCIL, UM, SAID THAT THEY SUPPORT POLICIES TO FOCUS ON PROGRESSING COMMUNITY INFORMATION AND EDUCATION TO DISMANTLE RACISM AND DISCRIMINATION.

CITY COUNCIL COMMITTED TO PROMOTING RACIAL EQUITY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE, PROMOTING EQUITY IN HEALTHCARE, MENTAL HEALTH, HOUSING, EMPLOYMENT, AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE, PROMOTING EQUITY IN ALL ASPECTS OF LOCAL GOVERNING AND INCLUDING LEADERSHIP STAFFING, TRAINING AND CONTRACTING.

CITY COUNCIL SAID THEY WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT AND ADVOCATE LOCALLY AND THROUGH STATE, REGIONAL AND FEDERAL ORGANIZATIONS AND INITIATIVES TO CONFRONT AND DISMANTLE SYSTEMIC RACISM AND DISCRIMINATION, AND TO ENCOURAGE ALL LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL LEVELS TO ADVANCE AND TO PROMOTE THE HEALTH, WELLBEING, AND EQUAL TREATMENT OF ALL PEOPLE.

AND LASTLY, UM, YOU COMMITTED TO RECEIVING REGULAR REPORTS AND UPDATES FROM CITY STAFF AS DIRECTED ON THE PROGRESS BEING MADE CONCERNING THE COMMITMENTS MADE IN THE RESOLUTION IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE ONGOING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND TRANSPARENCY AND TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO ADVANCE RA TO ADVANCE RACIAL EQUITY.

SO, UM, AS PART OF OUR COMMISSION, BECAUSE WE, WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD ON MOVING FORWARD RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL, AWAITING ON RESPONSES ON QUITE A FEW OF THOSE, BUT THIS PROCLAMATION DENOUNCING RACISM AND OUR COMMITMENT TO PROMOTING DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION, AND BELONGING IN OUR COMMUNITY IS IMPERATIVE.

IT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY.

I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN COMMIT OUR ACTIONS TO SHOWING THAT IT IS A PRIORITY.

UM, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK WHAT OUR CITY IS DOING OR PLANS TO DO TO UPHOLD THE RES OF THE PROCLAMATION THAT WAS SIGNED BY CITY COUNCIL.

DO YOU, RICK, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY, MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS? SO, UM, LIKE WE MENTIONED, I KNOW WE SPOKE THE OTHER DAY AND, UH, I AM A LITTLE NEW HERE, SO, UH,

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I DO APOLOGIZE IF THERE'S BEEN SOME DELAYS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN FOCUS FOR ME, UM, IN ADDITION TO REVIEWING WHAT YOU'VE SENT ABOUT THE C C R B IS TO COMPLETE THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT I THINK HAS BEEN KIND OF ON THE BACK BURNER FOR A FEW YEARS NOW.

UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GONNA HELP BOTH YOUR COMMISSION AS WELL AS COUNSEL, UM, GET A PRETTY DEFINITIVE COURSE OF ACTION MOVING FORWARD.

SO, UH, I HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.

UM, I PLAN TO REVIEW IT THIS WEEK AND MAYBE ISSUE IT AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY INVITE YOUR COMMISSION TO WORK WITH PROBABLY MYSELF AND STAFF ON IDENTIFYING WHO'S GOING TO COMPLETE THAT ASSESSMENT FOR US, UH, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

THAT R F Q WAS CREATED BY THE COMMISSION, UM, EVERYTHING , AND WE WORKED WITH, UM, MR. KOWSKI ON FIRMING THAT UP, I DON'T KNOW, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

UM, BUT IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, UM, M V P R C, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HIRE SOMEONE TO FOCUS ON THESE INITIATIVES BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN PRIMARILY THE HOLDUP IS THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO FALL ON THE COMMISSION OF OF NINE VOLUNTEERS.

SO, I MEAN, THE, THE REAL ASK REQUEST HERE IS THAT OUR LEADERSHIP REALLY PUSHED THIS INITIATIVE, SUPPORT THE INITIATIVE IN YOUR ACTIONS BECAUSE WHAT YOU DO CREATE SOME MODEL FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

NOW WE HAVE NINE MEMBERS OUT HERE WHO ARE VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME, UM, WORKING HARD, MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE TABLE SINCE 2021.

SO TWO YEARS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND THAT BECOMES EXHAUSTING, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE COMMITTING OUR TIME VOLUNTEERING TO THE CITY.

WE ARE WORKING FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY, AND WE, WE WANT TO SEE THAT CITY COUNCIL IS DOING THAT AS WELL IN TERMS OF D E I INITIATIVES.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE, UM, NEEDS ASSESSMENT PIECE AND HOW WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

AGAIN, OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT IS ON THE TABLE IS THAT THE CITY REALLY FOCUS ON HIRING SOMEONE THAT CAN LOOK AT THIS ACROSS OUR CITY, WHAT WE'RE DOING, ARE OUR POLICIES EQUITABLE? DO PEOPLE FEEL INCLUDED? NOT JUST THROUGH THIS COMMISSION, NOT JUST THESE NINE MEMBERS.

SO AGAIN, I, I'D STILL, MY, MY QUESTION STILL IS ON THE TABLE OF HOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING TO ALIGN OUR ACTIONS TO THIS PROCLAMATION.

GLEN, UH, THANK YOU, YOLANDA.

I DON'T HAVE A DIRECT ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT I DO HAVE MY OWN QUESTIONS.

UM, RICK, I KNOW THAT, UM, I'VE LOOKED AND, AND I'M, I DON'T MEAN TO CORRECT, BUT I ACTUALLY BELIEVE CONVERSATION BETWEEN STAFF AND THE BOARD HAS GONE BACK ALL THE WAY TO JANUARY OF THIS YEAR CONCERNING THIS SPECIFIC SUBJECT.

UM, VERY POINTED.

UM, AND A LOT'S GONE BACK AND FORTH, AND THERE'S BEEN REALLY NO MOVEMENT, NO ESTABLISHMENT OR EXECUTION OF THIS.

COULD YOU GIVE US A TIMEFRAME NOW KNOWING THAT THIS HAS BEEN DRUG ALONG AS TO HOW QUICKLY WE CAN SEE, UM, EXECUTION ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND, AND HAVE IT PUT INTO, UH, ACTION? SO I WOULD LIKE TO, LIKE I SAID, ISSUE AN R F P AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK.

GIVE IT THREE TO FOUR WEEKS, HOPEFULLY GET WITH THE COMMISSION.

UH, MAYBE EVEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT IF YOU CAN ADD IT TO YOUR AGENDA ON THURSDAY.

UM, SETTING UP A TIME TO EVALUATE THE PROPOSALS, UM, TO HAVE A FIRM IN PLACE BY, BY DECEMBER.

UM, NOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ADDING A STAFF PERSON, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THIS.

I DON'T WANT TO GO ADDING HEADCOUNT TO THE CITY'S RANKS, UM, WITHOUT HAVING A REAL THOROUGH UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE DOING.

SO IT'S THE SAME WITH ADDING A STAFF.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY STAFF MEMBERS FOR ANY OTHER COMMISSIONS IN THE CITY.

I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED ONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY THROUGH A NEEDS ASSESSMENT TO PROVIDE THE SUPPORT FOR THAT IDEA.

PROBABLY IT'S ALL BEEN PUT TOGETHER.

NOW, I KNOW ON THE, UH, WITH THE C C R B ITSELF, UM, THEY HAVE DEVELOPED KIND OF A FLOW CHART OF HOW IT WOULD WORK.

AND, AND AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON, THERE ARE A LOT OF SPECIFICS AND DETAILS THERE.

I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN FURTHER INFORMATION.

UM, UH, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, IT'S BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD.

AND AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN NO ACTION.

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WITH THE LITTLE FLOWCHART THING AND YES.

UM, YOLANDA SENT THAT TO ME YESTERDAY.

THIS WAS A DISCUSSION HER AND I HAD EARLIER THIS WEEK WHERE THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE DOESN'T BELIEVE NECESSARILY NEEDS TO WAIT FOR A NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

AND SO I'M GONNA DIG INTO IT AND, UM, POSSIBLY IT COULD MOVE FORWARD.

I DO WANNA TALK TO THE CHIEF.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS SINCE

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SO, UM, JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

'CAUSE THE WAY I THOUGHT IT LOOKED KIND OF, IT LOOKED PRETTY DETAILED AND WELL THOUGHT OUT.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE WE HAVE TO DIG ON IT, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND YOLANDA, IF THAT SOUNDS FAIR TO YOU, THEN I'M OKAY.

UM, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE, YOU HAVE PROBABLY JUST THE PROCESS WHAT WAS CREATED WAS A 15 PAGE DOCUMENT MM-HMM.

, I'VE SEEN IT, THAT HAS EVERY DETAIL ABOUT THE C C R B.

THERE IS NOTHING LEFT ON THE TABLE EXCEPT FOR THE LEGISLATION.

THAT'S IT.

I'VE SEEN THAT.

WE DO NOT NEED NEEDS ASSESSMENT DATA TO TELL US THAT THIS IS THE THING TO DO.

THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

THIS IS A PREVENTATIVE MA MEASURE, AND IT WAS ALSO REQUESTED BY THE NAACP IN 2020.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S DONE.

NO, I AGREE.

AND, AND RICK, CAN WE, UM, MAYBE ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UH, OR, OR PRIOR TO THAT EVEN SO EVERYBODY CAN REVIEW 'CAUSE IT IS A LONG DOCUMENT.

CAN YOU GET MAKE SURE ALL ACCOUNT HAS THAT SO WE CAN REVIEW THAT? YEAH, LOOK AT IT.

I ACTUALLY FORWARD IT RIGHT NOW, SO I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.

APPRECIATE THAT.

SO THERE WAS SOME, I MEAN, SOME PREVIOUS INFORMATION.

I MEAN, WHEN WE HAD OUR MEETING WITH COUNSEL AND IN THE, IN THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT, I MEAN, AND THE FACT THAT THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS AND THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE FIRST YEAR SUBURBS PEOPLE, THAT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF THAT.

SO I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSIONS BACK THEN THAT THIS WAS GONNA GO TO THE FIRST YEAR SUBURBS AND THERE WAS GONNA BE DISCUSSION HAD AND POSSIBLY TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN A MUCH BIGGER PICTURE AND GET FEEDBACK AND THING FROM THEM.

AND I, THIS IS THE FIRST THAT I'VE HEARD THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ANYTHING BACK OR EVEN ANY COMMENTS FROM THE, UH, FROM THE FIRST TIER SUBURBS.

SO THAT QUITE HONESTLY IS KIND OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR WHEN WE HAD THAT LAST DISCUSSION.

THERE WASN'T ANYBODY UP HERE WHO SAID NO TO THE C C R B.

THERE WASN'T ANYBODY THAT WAS AGAINST THAT.

BUT THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION THAT WE WOULD TAKE THIS TO FIRST TIER SUBURBS AND SEE WHAT THIS LOOKED LIKE ON A, ON A BROADER LEVEL.

SO IF THAT DISCUSSION HAS BEEN HAD AND THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT AND DISCUSSED THROUGH FIRST TIER, LIKE, LIKE WE ALL AGREED TO, THEN IT'S TIME THEN THAT WE DO FIND OUT WHAT THOSE COMMENTS WERE, THAT WE DO FIND OUT WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, IF ANY, WERE TO, UH, OR IF THE WAY IT SITS IS THE WAY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE PASSED.

SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT INFORMATION.

SO WHAT, HOLD ON.

SO ANITA HAD RAISE IT, COUNCILMAN SHAW, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHEN, WHEN YOUR HUSBAND PRESENTED TO FIRST TIER, WE HAD PRESENTED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE THE WHOLE FIRST TIER THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH SOMEBODY.

HE PRESENTED IT, THAT IT WAS GOING BACK TO JUST HUBER, NOT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S WHERE WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT GOT CHANGED.

WHEN IT GOT PRESENTED TO FIRST TIER, IT DID NOT GET PRESENTED THAT IT WOULD BE ALL THE COMMUNITIES AND I'LL, UH, CONTINUE ON THAT MS KITCHEN.

UM, MS. STEVENS, I, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN AFTER THAT MEETING WHEN MR. STEVENS MADE THAT AMAZING PRESENTATION, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN POSED BY MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES, UH, TO MR. STEVENS IN THE COMMISSION, BUT IF MEMORY SERVES CORRECT, THIS WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT BACK AND EVEN DISCUSSED AT ONE OF YOUR MEETINGS MM-HMM.

UM, SO THEREFORE THE STAFF LIAISON HAD ALL OF THAT INFORMATION TO REPORT BACK TO COUNSEL.

UM, SO AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE THAT THERE WAS A BREAKDOWN OF, OF COMMUNICATION ON THAT.

UM, I, I KNOW A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.

UH, THE PRESENTATION WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

UM, AND I KNOW JUST EVEN TO THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, THERE WAS, UM, SOME COMMUNITIES, UM, UH, ONE BEING, UH, TROUT WOOD WEST CARROLLTON, THAT WAS ASKING, UH, ADDITIONAL FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS.

HEY, HAVE YOU GUYS PASSED THAT? NO, I DON'T SET THE AGENDA.

I HAVE THE, SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS YOU DO, UM, THAT UNFORTUNATELY COMMUNICATION IS STILL HAVING A BREAKDOWN THAT I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH.

, THAT WAS, UH, SENT TO, UH, THE, THE QUESTIONS AND FOLLOW-UP WAS SENT TO THE BOARD FOR REVIEW, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A PROCESS.

UM, AND, UM, THE STAFF LIAISON TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND I'VE NOT SEEN IT SINCE.

UM, BUT I, I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

UM, AS ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, I, I THOUGHT THE PROCESS, AS YOU HAD STATED IN THE 15 PAGES AND EVEN IN THE SLIDESHOWS THAT WAS PRESENTED, GAMES THAT MATCH DONE, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO TACKLE, UM, ON, ON THIS AS WELL IS, IS STILL KIND OF, I GUESS, CONFUSING TO ME ON WHY IT'S TAKEN SO LONG.

UM, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT DIDN'T THE COMMISSION ASK FOR BASIC UPDATES TO THE WEBSITE AND ACCESSIBILITY, UM, AND, AND THAT ACTION PLAN AS WELL? AND I, YES, AND I KNOW THIS COUNCIL HAD TALKED ABOUT IT FOR THE, AT LEAST THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS.

AND I KNOW WE'VE GETTING, WE, WE'VE RECEIVED SPUN STORIES THAT MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A WEBSITE UPDATE.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR THIS, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT.

UM, THE CITY SUPPOSEDLY HIRED A PHOTOGRAPHER TO TAKE PICTURES.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THOSE PICTURES.

UM, SO

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SO, UM, I IMPLORE YOU TO HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND OUT SOME OF THOSE ANSWERS TOGETHER.

YES.

SO RICK, AS OUR, UH, STAFF LEADER AND SAY, NOW, IS THIS, ARE THESE ITEMS THAT YOU'LL TAKE OWNERSHIP OF YEP.

FROM THIS POINT FORWARD? AND YEAH, I TOOK A NOTE TO CHECK IN ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE WEBSITE, UM, AND JUST GET AN UPDATE GENERALLY ON THE D E I ASPECT OF THAT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY I'M TAKING ON THE R F P, UM, AND THEN WORKING, UH, TO SEE WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE ON A C C R B.

SO, OKAY.

AS SOON AS WE HAVE THAT, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

AND JUST LET ME CLARIFY.

THE PRESENTATION TO THE FIRST YEAR SUBURBS WAS TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION TO THEM.

IT WAS NOT FOR THEIR BUY-IN, IT WAS NOT FOR A PARTNERSHIP.

WE VOTED AT OUR COMMISSION MEETING THAT WE WOULD NOT, THAT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY WITH THE C C R B BECAUSE IT HAS TAKEN SO LONG IN THIS PROCESS, INVOLVING THEM WOULD'VE TAKEN EVEN LONGER.

AND SO THE DECISION WAS MADE THAT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD AS THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS AND THE COMMISSION WITH THE C C R V.

AND THAT WAS AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS.

SO PROBABLY GO BACK AND LOOK THAT, LOOK THAT UP AT OUR MEETING.

UM, YEAH, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVED ON A LOT FASTER THAN WHAT IT HAS BEEN.

BUT, UH, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED, UH, IN THE PAST AND, YOU KNOW, MY STATEMENTS ARE, UH, THAT'S JUST THE, UH, WAY THINGS ARE DONE HERE.

AND I WISH IT COULD CHANGE, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE CHANGING ANYTIME SOON.

I WI I'M A OPTIMISTIC PERSON.

I WISH I HAD MORE POSITIVE COMMENTS TO MAKE AT THIS TIME.

I PAUSE REALLY QUICK BECAUSE I JUST WENT TO THE WEBSITE.

, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

I WOULD LIKE FOR THINGS TO MOVE FASTER TOO, BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM 2021 THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMISSION, WE ARE RECOMMENDING COMMISSION.

THAT IS OUR PURPOSE HERE.

AND IF WE'RE SPENDING TIME COMING UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENING AND SUBMITTING THOSE TO CITY COUNCIL, AND THEY SIT THERE, THEN WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMISSION? SO I DON'T WANT MYSELF OR ANY OF OUR COMMISSION MEMBERS TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE SPINNING OUR WHEELS, BECAUSE THAT BECOMES EXHAUSTING.

WHEN YOU'RE SPINNING YOUR WHEELS, YOU GET NOTHING DONE, YOU SEE NOTHING DONE.

SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA LEAVE YOU WITH THAT QUESTION OF WHAT OUR CITY IS DOING TO PROMOTE D E I AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TO ALIGN OUR ACTIONS WITH THE PROCLAMATION DENOUNCING RACISM.

AND I ASK THAT YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT THAT AND ADD THAT TO YOUR ACTION ITEMS AND START TO LOOK AT HOW CAN WE LIVE UP TO THE PROCLAMATION THAT WE'VE MADE AND THE COMMITMENT THAT WE SAID THAT WE'VE MADE TO DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION AND BELONGING IN OUR CITY.

HOW CAN WE ALIGN OUR ACTIONS TO OUR WORDS? BECAUSE WORDS MEAN NOTHING IS WHAT YOU DO THAT MATTERS.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF OUR OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.

I QUICKLY HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD.

UM, JUST, I'M TARA PURVIS, BY THE WAY, TO ANYONE, EXCUSE ME.

UM, AS WE'RE, AGAIN, I'M SORRY.

I'M TARA PURVIS, UM, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

UM, AND ONE OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AS WE'RE DISCUSSING THE WEBSITE IS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING IN HUBER HEIGHTS AND ANYTHING BUT ENGLISH.

AND IT IS JUST A TORENT IN 2023 THAT SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE TO STAND UP IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY THAT SPEAK OTHER LANGUAGES.

WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON THIS DIVERSE SUBURB THAT WE CLAIM TO BE.

AND I SAT IN THE EDUCATION, THE CITY, THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT WE HAVE CHILDREN THAT SPEAK 19 LANGUAGES AND DIALECTS IN THIS CITY.

AND THE ONLY THING THAT HAS BEEN UPDATED IS THE SCHOOL'S WEBSITE IS NOW AVAILABLE IN TRANSLATION TO ALMOST EVERY SINGLE LANGUAGE THAT YOU COULD THINK OF.

SO I IMPLORE YOU TO LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE, HIT THE TRANSLATE BUTTON, AND THINK ABOUT HOW HUBER HEIGHTS COULD DO BETTER.

THERE.

CAN

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IN THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER, I SEE A GOOGLE TRANSLATE THAT HAS PUT OUR WEBSITE IN ALBANIAN.

SO I THINK WE'VE MANAGED TO GET THAT PART TAKEN CARE OF.

SO IF I CAME DOWN TO CITY HALL THOUGH, OR TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WAS SPANISH SPEAKING, OR WE HAVE A LARGE TURKISH SPEAKING COMMUNITY, UM, HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, AND I WENT TO ONE OF THOSE TWO LOCATIONS AND I ASKED FOR ANY ONE OF OUR FORMS AVAILABLE IN THOSE LANGUAGES, WOULD SOMEBODY BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THAT FOR ME? PROBABLY NOT, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.

SO AS A SOCIAL WORKER AND AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND THE REASON I SIT ON THIS COMMISSION IS TO BRING THINGS LIKE THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION.

SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE THIS ANIMOSITY.

WE HAVE YEARS AND VERY MANY ACRONYMS AFTER OUR NAMES, SO PLEASE JUST UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS TO BRING THIS COMMUNITY TO A PLACE WITH ALL OF THIS PROGRESS.

ALL OF THIS PROGRESS NEEDS TO COME THROUGH A LENS OF EQUITY, INCLUSION AND D E I AND, AND IT'S NOT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION, AS A PARENT THAT HAS A CHILD IN HUBER SCHOOLS, AS A SOCIAL WORKER AND AS SOMEBODY THAT IS GETTING PRICED OUT OF THIS COMMUNITY BY BRIAN BROOK VINE BROOK, LOOK TO US, WE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MAKING THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, OR AT LEAST TRYING TO.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

WE NEED TO DO BETTER AND WE NEED TO START WITH HAVING FORMS AND OTHER LANGUAGES.

IT'S JUST, IT'S 2023.

IT'S UN IT'S UNHEARD OF.

WE GOTTA DO BETTER.

IT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING.

UN UNTER PURPOSE.

, THANK YOU.

AND THAT, THAT'S ALL.

THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S NOT NEW.

THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO CITY COUNCIL.

I BELIEVE IT WAS IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

UP IS ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS THE AERIAL FIRETRUCK LEASE FOR THE FIRE DIVISION.

[ Aerial Fire Truck - Lease - Fire Division]

SO JIM? YES.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UM, I AM BRINGING SOME LEGISLATION TO YOU, UH, TONIGHT, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT IT WAS NOT IN YOUR PACKET.

UH, IT WILL BE IN YOUR PACKET FOR APPROVAL ON MONDAY.

UH, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT I BROUGHT TO YOU EARLIER THIS YEAR.

UM, ACTUALLY THE LOWEST BID IS FROM THE SAME BANK, COGENT BANK.

AND, UM, UH, THE, UH, WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED JUST RATHER RECENTLY ABOUT THE FIRE AERIAL LADDER TRUCK.

UM, THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT THAT WAS, UM, I THINK ORIGINALLY ORDERED BACK IN, UH, EARLY 2022.

AND I KEEP HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH CHIEF LEY ABOUT WHEN THAT TRUCK IS COMING, BECAUSE THE FINANCING FOR IT HAS TO HAPPEN VERY QUICKLY.

AND, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE, UM, THE, UH, THE BANKS DON'T WANT TO OFFER THEIR, UM, LINE OF CREDIT FOR, UM, TOO LONG OF A PERIOD OF TIME.

IT'S USUALLY WITHIN ONE MONTH.

SOMETIMES THEY'LL GO AS FAR AS FIVE OR SIX WEEKS.

SO, UM, CHIEF KEPT TELLING ME THE LADDER'S COMING IN NOVEMBER, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, UM, JUST LAST WEEK, IT GOT MOVED UP TILL OCTOBER 23RD, AND THAT'S YOUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AFTER THIS ONE COMING UP ON MONDAY.

SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, URGENT NEED TO GET THIS PASSED ON MONDAY NIGHT.

AND SO I QUICKLY, UM, MADE ALL MY CONTACTS.

I HAVE A, A NUMBER OF CONTACTS THAT I CONTACT, UM, REGULARLY ON, UH, CAPITAL LEASES.

AND, UH, THERE WERE FOR, UH, EIGHT TOTAL, UH, BANKS OR LEASING COMPANIES THAT I PUT OUT THE BID SPECS TO.

I HAD ALL OF THAT READY TO GO, UH, AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE.

SO SENT THAT OUT AND RECEIVED BACK, UM, FIVE GOOD BIDS.

UH, THREE OTHER BIDS SAID THEY WOULD NOT BID FOR ANY LONGER THAN 10 YEARS.

UH, AND I WAS ASKING FOR A 15 YEAR OR A 20 YEAR LEASE TO KEEP OUR PAYMENTS AT A REASONABLE LEVEL.

AND SO THE OTHER FIVE DID BID FOR 15 YEARS.

UH, NO ONE WAS WILLING TO BID FOR 20.

AND SO THE BEST BID, UH, FROM COGENT BANK WAS, UM, $145,335 AND 12 CENTS PER YEAR.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD START IN OCTOBER OF 2024 AND RUN THROUGH OCTOBER OF 2038.

UM, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THE LAST LADDER TRUCK THAT WE BOUGHT IN 2006, UH, THOSE LEASE PAYMENTS WERE, UM, 150,000.

SO VERY, VERY SIMILAR, A LITTLE BIT LOWER ACTUALLY THAN THAT.

SO, UH, IN THIS, UH, CURRENT RATE ENVIRONMENT, I WAS, UH, PRETTY PLEASED WITH THAT, UH, WITH THOSE BIDS.

AND, UM, SO I'M PRESENTING THIS TO YOU, I WILL, IN YOUR PACKET FOR MONDAY, I WILL INCLUDE, UM, EACH OF THE BIDS THAT CAME IN FOR EACH OF THE BANKS

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OR FINANCING COMPANIES, AS WELL AS THE, UH, LEGISLATION TO ENTER INTO A MASTER LEASE PURCHASE AGREEMENT, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO THE MASTER LEASE PURCHASE AGREEMENTS THAT I BROUGHT TO YOU BACK FOR THE STREET SWEEPER AND FOR THE MEDIC THAT WE DID, I BELIEVE BACK IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR.

AND I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS ANY OF YOU HAVE ABOUT THIS PROCESS.

ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FOR JIM? OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THIS.

IS ITEM THREE D, WHICH IS AN INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR JANITORIAL SERVICES THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION.

MAKES AGREEMENT ON.

[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount - Janitorial Services - Public Works Division]

MIKE? YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, MEMBERS COUNCIL.

UM, BASICALLY, IF YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, A FEW YEARS BACK WHEN, UM, THE COVID THINGS WERE HAPPENING, UM, WE KIND OF WERE DOING IN-HOUSE JANITORIAL SERVICES.

UM, WE LOST THOSE PERSONNEL DURING, DURING THAT TIME.

UH, PUBLIC WORKS TOOK IT OVER FOR SOME TIME, I THINK 14, 16 MONTHS AT THE PERIOD OF THAT TIME, UM, COUNCIL APPROVED LEGISLATION TO AWARD AND A BID, UM, NOVEMBER OF 21, I BELIEVE.

UM, IT TOOK SOME TIME TO GET THAT BID AWARDED, AND IT WAS MARCH OF LAST YEAR.

UM, AND, AND IT WAS BIDDED AND IT WAS AWARDED.

UM, NOW I JUST, THE, THE BID NOW BEING ANNUAL TO MEET FINANCIAL EXPECTATIONS FOR ANNUAL SPENDING HABITS, BASICALLY WE NEED TO INCREASE THAT AMOUNT THAT WAS KIND OF, IS NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY FINANCIAL.

ANY QUESTIONS? I CAN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIKE? RICHARD? THANK YOU.

MIKE, IS THIS JUST, UH, FOR PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION OR FOR THE ENTIRE CITY? THIS IS ALL CITY BUILDINGS, CORRECT.

YES, SIR.

THAT, AND 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS LEGISLATION, WE HAD DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS AND, AND INDIVIDUALS DOING DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, AND WE WANTED TO BRING THAT ALL INTO HOUSE.

IS THAT THE WAY YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? BASICALLY AT SOME TIME, WE HAD, LIKE I SAID, WE HAD IN-HOUSE PERSONNEL THAT WERE HIRED FOR BASICALLY ABOUT A 13 MONTH PERIOD MM-HMM.

, UM, WITH THE, THE, THE OUTBREAK OF COVID, THOSE INDIVIDUALS SOUGHT DIFFERENT EMPLOYMENT, DIDN'T KIND OF SURVIVE THAT, THAT PROCESS.

SO WE HAD TO SEEK OUT DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO SEEK OUT CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AGAIN FOR BASICALLY CITY ALL, ALL BUILDINGS.

PERFECT.

THAT, YEAH, THAT'S SENSE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR.

E, WHICH IS EXTERIOR PAINTING FOR CITY BUILDINGS AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THIS ON.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE

[ Exterior Painting - City Buildings - Award Contract]

MIKE? UM, YES, MAYOR, AGAIN.

UM, THANK YOU.

THIS IS, UM, KIND OF, UM, I, I, I'VE BEEN MEANING TO, THIS HAS BEEN ON MY PLATE.

IT WAS KIND OF A BUDGETARY THING FOR NEXT YEAR.

UM, AND SEARCHING SOME, GETTING SOME BUDGETARY NUMBERS.

I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A DANGLING FRUIT ITEM WE CAN GET DONE BY THE END OF THE SEASON.

UM, SO I KIND OF SWIFTLY WENT OUT AND GOT THREE DIFFERENT QUOTES, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S AN AWARD TO BID PROCESS.

UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, FOR, FOR $53,800 AND THAT'S A 10% CONTINGENCY ON THOSE ITEMS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, GETTING IT DONE HOPEFULLY THIS YEAR, WHETHER PERMITTING.

I'M HAPPY.

ANY 10 QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AS WELL? OKAY.

ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FOR MIKE ON THE PAINTING? MIKE, WHICH BUILDING SPECIFIC, UM, THE THREE BUILDINGS HERE AT CITY HALL, OF COURSE.

AND THEN THE, UM, EICHELBERGER AND, UM, AQUATIC CENTER WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE Y PROPERTY ON, ON THAT.

GOTCHA.

I'M GONNA, I'M, I'M TRYING TO WORK BUILDING WITH THE Y TO GET THAT KIND OF MOVING FORWARD AS WELL.

SO ALL DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY.

MIKE, CAN YOU TELL ME, WILL IT STAIN THE EER BERG, LIKE THE BUILDING OF EER BERG? YOU GO OVER THAT WHAT? I'M SORRY.

THE FRONT OF THE EER BERG IS LIKE WOOD? YES.

WOULD THAT BE STAINED? YES.

THAT THIS, YES.

IS ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS PARK NOMENCLATURE SIGNS.

IT WAS DONE THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.

IT JUST BEING THE WOOD THAT IT GETS AND THE DIRECTION IT COMES, IT GETS QUITE, YOU KNOW, THAT WESTERN SUN INTO THE DAY, SO IT, IT TAKES A BEATING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

OKAY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY, NEXT

[ Park Nomenclature Signs - Award Contract]

AND WE'RE IN THAT CONTRACT AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, A LITTLE UNIQUE BID TOO TO, UM, AWARD AND, AND BID.

UM, IF YOU'VE NOTICED, UM, AT CERTAIN, UM, PARKS AND DIFFERENT, UM, CITY PROPERTIES, WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF CHANGED THE AESTHETICS OF OUR NOMENCLATURE SIGNS OR IDENTIFY IDENTIFICATION SIGNS GOING IN AND OUT OF, OUT OF PARKS AND, AND PLACES.

UM, SO BASICALLY, UM, WITH THE, THE IDENTIFICATION OF MASTER PLAN WITH THE PARKS, IT'S KIND OF IDENTIFIED THAT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW, GETTING THOSE ALL AESTHETICALLY THE SAME AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING LOOKS CLEANER AS IT LOOKS MORE UNIFORM.

SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST GETTING MOST OF THESE DONE AT ONCE AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING? GLENN? UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MIKE.

I APPRECIATE THAT WORK.

UM, YOU KNOW, A BIG, UH, YOU KNOW, PROPONENT OF PARK SYSTEMS AND KEEPING 'EM CLEANED UP AND MAINTAINED, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, I WANT TO KIND OF SHIFT

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JUST A TOUCH, WE'RE STALL ON PARKS, BUT I KNOW, UH, DOW PARK RECENTLY GOT IT SIGNED AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

UM, BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK RICK IF, IF YOU CAN KIND OF GET US SOME INFO MAYBE AT AN UPCOMING MEETING.

UH, WE PASSED LEGISLATION IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR TO PROVIDE, UH, $500,000 WORTH OF FUNDING TO DEVELOP THE PARK AT DIAL PARK, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A, THE FIRST THING HAPPEN, UM, WE'RE TALKING SIX MONTHS AND, AND WE GOT A ASSIGNED.

UM, CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE US A, UH, UPDATE ON WHERE WE MIGHT BE AT ON THINGS COMING IN AND WHAT WE MIGHT BE SEEING THERE? APPRECIATE IT, RICHARD.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, MIKE, I WANT TO TAKE THIS, UM, CONVERSATION, UM, AND KIND OF BRING IT, UH, BRING THE PREVIOUS PIECE TOGETHER.

UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE PARK SIGNS AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING LIKE.

UH, AND ALSO PAINTING, I KNOW CENT PRO DOES STAINING AS WELL.

HOW DO WE GO ABOUT REHABBING OR STAINING OUR SHELTERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING IN THE PARKS? I'M SORRY, WHO? UH, CENT PRO.

THE, THE PAINTING FOR THE, UH, WELL, ACTUALLY THE, THE, THE, THE AWARDED BIDDER FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT JUST CAME IN RECENTLY.

UM, IT'S MACINTOSH FOR THE, THE WHAT WE WERE JUST PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSING.

FOR THE PREVIOUS LEGISLATION.

UM, MY PLAN WAS, I, I HAD NUMBERS.

I COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH COUNSEL WITH THEIR APPROVAL OF I HAD THIS CERTAIN AMOUNT, UM, LAID IN, GOT A BETTER PRICE DUE DILIGENCE OF GOOD BUCK.

I LIKE IT.

AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD THOSE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, THAT'S WHY I WANNA BRING THAT UP.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M ASKING FOR THINGS, SO.

UM, WHAT I'M SAYING WITH THAT, THAT IS, IS, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T, I GUESS WITH THAT SAID, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION OF, OF, OF WHAT NO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ON OUR RADAR.

'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAD A PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN DISCUSS THAT IN UPCOMING WORK SESSION.

SURE.

UM, BECAUSE I, I KNOW THAT MY, MYSELF, YOU AND CHRIS TALKED ABOUT SOME, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY DETERIORATION, BUT JUST SOME OF THE UPKEEP ON SOME OF THAT.

AND THAT WAS THE SAME, UM, CONVERSATION WHEN THE SIGNED COMES.

WE'RE, WE'RE SIMILAR TO THAT.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH SOME BUDGET, UM, IDENTIFICATIONS OF SOME CERTAIN THINGS WITH THE MASTER PLAN, SOME MAINTENANCE ITEMS THAT, THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.

AND WE'RE GONNA BUDGET FOR HERE IN THE UPCOMING SEASON.

RICK AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT TODAY AND OTHER STAFF MEMBERS.

EXCELLENT.

THAT'S ALL I HAD.

THANKS MIKE.

ANYONE ELSE? MIKE? PROBABLY, I MEAN, SOMETHING ABOUT MAYBE A YEAR OR SO AGO, WE HAD A DISCUSSION AROUND LIKE A WAYFINDING SYSTEM IN THE CITY.

UM, SO IS IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN DO TO THE SIGN SHOP IF TO COME UP WITH THE DESIGN AND THE LOOK AND THE FEEL? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO GO OUT FOR? BUT I THINK WE'VE REACHED A POINT NOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE PARKS THAT WE HAVE AND ALL THE AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE, THE LIBRARY, THE SENIOR CENTER, ALL THOSE THINGS WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN OFF THE FREEWAY.

I MEAN, I JUST THINK, UH, TO GET TO THE AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE, RESTAURANT AREAS, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE HAPPENING.

IT'D BE NICE IF WE HAD SOME, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I, I GET QUESTION SOME UNIFIED, AND BRIAN AND I HAVE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

UM, I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, A FUTURE DISCUSSION MAYBE FOR LIKE, AGAIN, A BUDGETARY ITEM WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME ITEMS NEXT YEAR WITH THOSE THINGS.

SURE.

I, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IF, IF WE DECIDED THAT'S THE ROUTE WE'RE GONNA TAKE, I WOULDN'T HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THE DESIRE WAS, BASICALLY, IF, IF, IF PUBLIC WORKS COULD, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW THROUGH WITH SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS.

GOTCHA.

MAYOR, I WILL SAY WE WENT THROUGH THIS WITH MY PREVIOUS EMPLOYER AND I THINK WE HAD THE SIGNS PRINTED SOMEWHERE ELSE OFFSITE.

JUST BECAUSE THEY GET A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.

THERE'S SOME COLOR, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO A LOT WITH COLOR.

I WOULD RE I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND PERSONALLY WITH GOING WITH THE SAME AESTHETIC COMPANY THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.

THAT'S KIND OF WHY I'M, I'M, WE WENT WITH THIS AND I'M, I'M NOT COMMENDING GOING WITH THIS COMPANY HERE.

'CAUSE THEY'VE DONE 'EM ALL.

I THINK ONE COMPANY YOU GO WITH TWO OR THREE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A DIFFERENT AESTHETIC.

THAT'S NOT QUITE, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN GO THROUGH THE ROWS AND I'VE, I'VE DONE THINGS FOR THOSE, FOR THEM TO THROW THE ROWS AND THEY'RE LIKE, THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

PEOPLE WHO RECOGNIZE THE MARKETING OF THOSE THINGS REALLY RECOGNIZE THEM.

BUT THE UNIFIED SYSTEM THAT WAY, FINDINGS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WOULD, WOULD, WOULD BE NICE TO MM-HMM.

CHANGE A LOT OF AESTHETICS.

SURE.

AND SAY, YEAH.

RICHARD.

YEAH, MAYOR, THAT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT POINT.

AND THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ON MY LIST FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW.

UM, I KNOW ME AND RADO HAD BROUGHT, UH, BACK SOME WAYFINDING CONVERSATIONS FROM N L C.

UH, IT WAS THEN, UM, CHAMPIONED AND SUPPORTED BY COUNCILWOMAN BURGE.

WE PASSED LEGISLATION.

UM, I, I, FOR ONE, WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE THAT MOVE FORWARD.

I STILL HAVE THAT LEGISLATION AND INFORMATION.

I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO FORWARD TO CITY STAFF.

UM, SO WE CAN TRY TO GET THAT MOVING FORWARD.

IF YOU WOULD SEND THAT DIRECT, THAT'D BE GREAT.

EXCELLENT.

NEXT, UH, WE HAVE ITEM THREE G, WHICH IS CROSSWALK STAMPING AT VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.

SEE NONE.

WE'LL MOVE THAT ON.

AND

[ Crosswalk Stamping - Various Intersections]

RUSS? UH, YES.

UH, GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

UM, THIS LEGISLATION WILL AUTHORIZE AN AWARD AND ENTER A CONTRACT WITH

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KIN PAVING FOR THE INSTALLATION OF CROSSWALK STAMPING AT FIVE DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS.

UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR, COUNSEL ASKED ME TO LOOK INTO THE GETTING, UH, LOOKING INTO THIS AND GETTING BACK TO YOU ON THIS.

UM, AT THIS TIME, PAVING ON OLD TROY PIKE IS ALMOST COMPLETED.

AND, UH, SO WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE COULD NOW DO SOME OF THE STAMPING.

UH, THIS WORK INCLUDES ASPHALT STAMPING OF CROSSWALKS, AND IT'S AT FOUR INTERSECTIONS ON BRANT PIKE.

AND WE PUT IN HERE ONE INTERSECTION AT OLD TROY PIKE, WHICH WAS DONE LAST YEAR.

UH, THESE ARE ALL IN AREAS THAT WERE RECENTLY PAID BY ODOT.

UH, THE WORK WAS SIMILAR TO THE CROSSWALK THAT WAS DONE AT, UH, BRANT PIKE AND CHAMBERSBURG A FEW YEARS AGO.

UM, I COULD ONLY FIND TWO CONTRACTORS IN THE AREA THAT DO THIS TYPE OF WORK.

UH, THIS IS ASPHALT STAMPING.

IT'S NOT CONCRETE STAMPING.

LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF COMPANIES THAT CAN DO CONCRETE STAMPING.

UH, AND THE TWO COMPANIES WERE KIN PAVING AND A N A SAFETY, UH, A N A SAFETY DID DO THE CHAMBERSBURG, UH, IN BRANT INTERSECTION.

LIKE I SAID, TWO, THREE YEARS AGO, UH, I DID A BID TABULATION INCLUDING YOUR PACKET, AND IT SH DOES SHOW THE TWO CONTRACTORS AND THE FIVE INTERSECTIONS.

UM, GERKIN PAVINGS SUBMITTED THE LOWEST QUOTE WITH A TOTAL PRICE OF $125,950.

UH, A AND A SAFETY'S QUOTE WAS FOR A TOTAL OF $207,135.

UM, UR AND PAVING IS, UH, OUT OF NAPOLEON, OHIO, WHICH IS, I THINK NORTH OF US, NEAR LIMA IN THAT AREA.

AND, UH, THEY HAVE NOT DONE WORK FOR THE CITY, BUT THEY HAVE DONE WORK NORTH OF THE DAYTON AREA, UH, TO COMPLETE THIS WORK.

WE'RE ASKING FOR NOT TO EXCEED OF 140,000 FOR ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, THINGS, UH, THINGS THAT WE'VE COME ACROSS.

UH, AND THIS PROJECT WAS NOT IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, UH, THAT WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS AFTER THE FIRST OF, UH, THIS YEAR.

AND, UM, BUT THE MONEY, I'VE TALKED TO JIM ABOUT IT, AND THERE'S MONEY THAT WE THINK CAN GET OUT OF THE GAS TAX FUND THAT CAN BE USED FOR THIS.

GLEN, THANK YOU.

UM, AND JIM, I THINK WE'VE, UH, OR I'M SORRY RUSS, I THINK WE'VE, JUST LOOKING AT JIM, UH, I, I THINK WE HAVE TALKED IN THE PAST ABOUT KIND OF DOING THESE IN CONJUNCTION WITH MASTER ARM UPGRADES AT INTERSECTION.

ARE WE STILL KIND OF ON THAT SAME FLOW? YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.

WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, EVERY YEAR DOING ONE MASTER ARM.

'CAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT 300 TO 350,000 TO DO THOSE ON EACH INTERSECTION.

UM, SO NEXT YEAR WE, I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT BRANDON FISHBURG.

UM, BUT THAT'S NOT FINAL YET.

BUT, UM, WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY.

WE CAN DO IT WITH THAT.

BUT I THINK AT EARLIER THIS YEAR, I WAS ASKED TO LOOK TO SEE WHETHER WE CAN DO ALL THE ONES THAT ODOT, UH, PAVED NOW.

AND YOU REALLY WANT TO DO IT RIGHT AFTER THEY PAVE.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I THINK IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THESE, IT WOULD BE BEST TO DO IT NOW.

BUT WE CAN, EVERY TIME WE DO AN INTERSECTION WITH MASS ARMS, WE'LL DEFINITELY DO IT WITH THAT AND AN OLD TROY AT, UH, MERRILY WAY WITH THAT PROJECT.

WE ARE GOING IT, UH, WHEN THE PROJECT'S FINISHED, WE'LL HAVE THAT DONE.

SO APPRECIATE THAT, RUSS.

I JUST, I'M, I'M ALL ABOUT THE BEAUTIFICATION AND UH, IF WE CAN, UM, GET A LITTLE GREEDY ON THAT.

SO RUSS, AS I'M LOOKING HERE ON THESE BIDS, SO WE HAVE WORKING OUR WAY UP FROM, FROM TOM CLOUD PARK BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TOM CLOUD PARK, KITERS, NEBRASKA, POWELL, AND THEN WE STOP, WE DON'T GET TO BRANT AND FISHBURG WHERE WE'RE REDOING THE FISHBURG WAS NOT PAVED THROUGH THE INTERSECTION WITH ODOT.

IT STOPPED ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

AND THAT WAS BECAUSE WHEN THEY PAVED IT LAST TIME, UH, TO THE NORTH, IT ENDED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FISHBURG.

SO THEY ENDED THAT PROJECT OR FINISHING NOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FISHBURG.

BUT I BUT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE REST OF GRANT WASN'T PAVED, I MEAN THAT WAS PAVED NOT SUPER LONG AGO.

SO I MEAN, ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE REST OF THAT IS PAVED BEFORE WE, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF OUR PREMIER INTERSECTIONS, RIGHT.

AT AN AREA WHERE WE'RE COM NEW DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE SPENDING MONEY TO REDESIGN AND, AND REMODEL, UH, A SHOPPING CENTER THERE.

SO IF WE'RE DOING ALL THIS, IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO COME UP THAT FAR AND THEN STOP AND THEN SHIP DOWN TO OLD TROY AND, AND FISHBURG.

BUT WITH THE, LIKE I SAID, NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO FISHBURG AT GRANT WITH MA ARMS AND WITH THAT WE COULD DO IT WITH THAT PROJECT.

IF, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO WAIT, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

ANITA, I'M JUST CURIOUS, I KNOW GERKIN HAS NOT DONE ANY WORK FOR THE CITY, BUT HAVE YOU SEEN THEIR WORK JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, THAT'S ALMOST CLOSE TO DOUBLE.

I MEAN, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THOSE BIDS.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING THE QUALITY OF WORK THEY DO TO BE THAT DIFFERENT AT COST.

THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT IN MY OPINION.

THEY DO A LOT OF WORK.

THEY DID, UH, WORK IN DAYTON.

UM, THEY SAID IT'S BEEN ABOUT 10 YEARS SINCE THEY WORKED, BUT THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK.

I CAN TRY TO GET MORE, UH, UH, PICTURES OF WHAT THEY DO.

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IF THAT HELPS.

I CAN SEND THEM OUT TO YOU BY NEXT WEEK.

I, I JUST WAS CURIOUS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE USUALLY WHEN WE GET THESE BIDS IN FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE $15,000 OFF OR SOMETHING, BUT THIS IS SIGNIFICANT.

SO, AND GREAT IF THEY ARE.

I MEAN, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO LAST US THAT THEY DON'T DO, YOU KNOW, JUST A HALFWAY JOB.

WITH THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY DIFFERENCE.

DO YOU WANT ME, I CAN TRY TO GET SOME PICTURES FROM THEM OF RECENT PROJECTS THEY'VE DONE IF YOU WANTED TO.

YEAH, I MEAN, AND I MEAN, I'M GONNA TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT ON THAT.

'CAUSE I MEAN, YOU'LL KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT MORE THAN I AM.

I'M JUST WAS KIND OF ALARMED AT THE SIGNIFICANCE IN THE BIDS.

BUT I MEAN, THEY ARE A COMPANY THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.

THEY'RE NOT NEW.

SO, BUT I CAN, AND THIS IS A DIVISION OF THAT COMPANY THAT DOES THIS TYPE OF WORK AND THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.

SO ROSS, IF YOU COULD GRAB SOME PICTURES AND THROW IN THE PACKET FOR, FOR MONDAY.

IF, IF COUNSEL WANTS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, JUST TO HAVE IT.

YOU KNOW, FOR MONDAY'S, FOR MONDAY'S MEETING.

TRY TO GET THOSE DON.

THANKS RUS.

I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT ANITA JUST WAS SPEAKING ABOUT.

ARE YOU SURE THAT THE PROCESSES AND THE MATERIALS USED BY BOTH COMPANIES, UH, ARE THE SAME, WILL BE IDENTICAL? THE REASON I ASK THAT, UH, A LITTLE BACKGROUND INFO.

UH, I KEEP CHECKING THE CHAMBERSBURG INTERSECTION.

IT'S HOLDING UP VERY WELL.

UM, HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING AS FAR AS WHERE, UH, PATTERNS OR ANYTHING SO FAR.

IT'S LOOKING REALLY GOOD.

AND I'LL CONTRAST THAT BY SAYING IF YOU GO OVER OFF OF, UM, WHAT IS THE STREET, UH, WHERE ALL THE RESTAURANTS ARE IN VANAYA POE, UM, OH, MILLER, MILLER LANE.

IF YOU GO OVER MILLER LANE, THEY HAVE THOSE, UH, SAME INTERSECTIONS BACK WITHIN THAT SHOPPING CENTER BEHIND ALL THE RESTAURANTS AND THINGS.

AND THEY'RE TERRIBLY WARM.

IN FACT, THEY, THEY DON'T LOOK GOOD AT ALL.

AND I DON'T RECALL THEM BEING A WHOLE LOT OLDER THAN, UH, OUR PROJECT.

SO IF I, IF I COULD MIRROR WHAT, UH, COUNCILMAN KITCHEN IS SAYING, I'D REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROCESSES AND MATERIALS ARE IDENTICAL.

UM, AND THAT THEIR WORK IS THE SAME AS, UH, WHAT WE'VE SEEN HERE AT OKAY.

CHAMBERSBURG AND BRYANT.

I'LL TRY TO FIND THAT OUT.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, SO ASSUMING WE GET SOME PICTURES BACK, SOME CLARIFICATION ON QUALITY WORK AND THAT KIND OF THING, IF I FIND IT'S NOT, THEN WE YOU TO HOLD OFF TO THE NEXT MEETING AND TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.

AND, UH, HOLD OFF TO A FOLLOWING MEETING.

SO IT'S COUNSEL'S WISHES.

DO YOU WANNA HOLD THIS OFF OR DO YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT NOW? AWAITING, UM, ROSE'S INFORMATION? YES, RICHARD.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION WE MOVE THIS TO OUR NEXT WORK SESSION, UM, AND, UH, GO WITHOUT IT READING AT THE UPCOMING, UM, COUNCIL MEETING.

AGREEMENT IN THAT WORKS.

UM, ITEM THREE H IS THE TOM CLOUD WALKING PATH SIDEWALK DISCUSSION.

SO WE'LL MOVE THIS, UH, NOT TILL MONDAY.

WE'LL MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

[ Thomas Cloud Park - Walking Paths/Sidewalk Discussion]

UM, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO HOLDING OFF ON THAT UNTIL THE NEXT WORK SESSION SINCE COUNCILMAN BERG IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING? THIS IS NOT, SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT ANY OBJECTION TO JUST MOVING THIS TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION? NO.

[ Water Infrastructure Update]

ITEM THREE I, WHICH IS THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.

RUSS, UH, YEAH, ENC IN YOUR PACKET.

I INCLUDED, UH, THE REGULAR, UH, UPDATE I HAVE, UH, THAT REALLY DIDN'T CHANGE FROM LAST TIME, WHICH WAS JUST LAST WEEK.

UH, I DID ALSO INCLUDE, UH, A MA UM, LIKE A BAR GRAPH OF MAIN, UH, WATER MAIN BREAKS THROUGH ALL THE YEARS.

AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT, THERE IS A MONTHLY BREAKDOWN FOR THIS YEAR.

UH, WE'RE ONE MONTH OFF THERE AT THE BOTTOM, BUT WE'RE RIGHT NOW AT 25 WATER MAIN BREAKS.

SO IT'S DOING PRETTY WELL THIS YEAR.

A LOT, A LOT LOWER THAN, UH, EVEN WAY BACK.

IT'S BEEN, UH, WE'RE ASSUMING IF IT CONTINUES WE'LL END UP ABOUT 35 AND THAT'S WAY LOWER THAN WE'RE BACK TO WAY BEFORE, UH, 2000 EIGHTEENS WHEN IT STARTED.

THOSE ARE PRE PRE SOFTENING DAYS.

STARTS IN JULY OF NEXT YEAR WITH DESIGN AND THEN WOULD START UP AT THE BEGINNING OF 2025.

'CAUSE IT WAS ABOUT 50 BACK THEN, SO, YEAH.

AND THEN THE, UH, LAST, UH, UH, ATTACHMENT I HAVE IN THERE IS A ANOTHER BAR GRAPH THAT WE JUST CREATED, WHICH SHOWS THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.

AND, UH, WITH THAT, UH, SHOWS EXTENDED OUT THROUGH, UH, 2026 AND, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE FIRST, OR THE FIRST PART OF IT SHOWS THE TWO CONTRACTORS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE, FOR THIS PROGRAM.

AND, UH, M AND T AND CG CONSTRUCTION ARE WILL BE DOING THOSE REPLACEMENTS.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S ON THAT BAR GRAPH UP TO THE END OF 24.

NEXT, NEXT YEAR AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

AND THEN WE SHOW THE NEXT WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM THAT

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AND THAT'LL BE ONE YEAR PROGRAM AFTER THAT TO, UH, INSTALL THAT LINE.

SO IT'S KIND OF SHOWING THE FACT THAT, UH, WHEN WE FINISH UP THIS YEAR'S PROGRAM AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR WILL BE ABOUT READY TO START UP THE FOLLOWING ONE.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

CITY CODE AMENDMENTS FOR THE TAX CODE.

AND I'LL UPDATE THESE WHENEVER, AND THEY'LL BE IN HERE EVERY TIME.

THANK NEXT, UH,

[ City Code Amendments - Tax Code]

SO JIM HAS THIS ONE.

UH, YES.

UH, I HAVE BEFORE YOU, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF OUR TAX ADMINISTRATOR.

UM, THE, UM, STATE LEGISLATURE, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR, UM, APPROVED A SMALL CHANGE, UM, IN THE, UM, TAX CODE, THE STATE TAX CODE.

OF COURSE, THE STATE DETERMINES WHAT OUR CITY TAX CODE WILL BE.

AND, UM, ONE OF THE, THE SMALL CHANGE IS THAT, UH, WE WERE, UH, ALLOWED TO CHARGE A $25 LATE FEE FOR ANYONE THAT FILES THEIR INCOME TAXES LATE.

AND THEN EACH MONTH AFTER THAT, THAT THEY CONTINUE TO BE LATE.

WE WERE ALLOWED TO CHARGE AN ADDITIONAL $25 TO A MAXIMUM OF SIX MONTHS, $150 CHARGE IN TOTAL.

THE, THE NEW CHANGE IN THE TAX CODE AS THE STATE, UH, PASSED EARLIER THIS YEAR SAYS THAT WE CAN ONLY CHARGE ONE TIME $25 LATE FEE.

AND IF IT'S ACTUALLY THEIR VERY FIRST FILING, THEN WE ARE MANDATED TO, UM, ABATE THAT $25 FEE FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME.

SO, UH, THAT IS THE CHANGE THAT I'M RECOMMENDING, UH, IN YOUR PACKET.

UH, THE CHANGE TO THE TAX CODE, I BELIEVE I PUT IN, UM, A, UH, UH, VERSION IN THAT IS, UM, GOT, UM, STRIKE THROUGH, UH, IN YOUR PACKET.

SO, UH, ONCE IT, WHEN IT'S FINALLY PASSED, WE'LL HAVE A, A CLEAN VERSION FOR THE CITY CODE.

BUT, UH, THIS IS, UM, JUST HAS TO BE PUT INTO PLACE.

BY JANUARY 1ST, 2024, THAT'S WHEN THE STATE, UH, RECOMMENDED, UH, CODE GOES INTO EFFECT FOR ALL FILINGS OF 2023 INCOME.

SO THERE'S, UH, EVEN THOUGH, UH, SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR THIS TO BE, UH, EMERGENCY, SO IT CAN HAVE, UH, TWO FULL READINGS AND, UH, GO INTO EFFECT 30 DAYS AFTER THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTION? NO.

UP AS ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS THE INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR CREATIVE FINANCIAL STAFFING THROUGH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.

[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount - Creative Financial Staffing - Finance Department]

JIM? UH, YES.

I'M ASKING FOR IN A, UM, AMENDMENT TO THE ANNUAL LEGISLATION, WHICH WE BRING TO YOU EACH, UM, ABOUT NOVEMBER, DECEMBER TIMEFRAME.

UM, THAT LISTS, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT VENDORS THAT WE ANTICIPATE GOING OVER $25,000 WITH FOR OUR ANNUAL SPEND.

AND, UM, AT THAT TIME THAT WE PASSED IT, THE ANNUAL SPEND THAT I HAD LISTED FOR AN ESTIMATE FOR, UH, CREATIVE FINANCIAL STAFFING FOR, UM, TEMPORARY WORKERS TO COME INTO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT OF WORK, EITHER IN THE ACCOUNTING DIVISION OR IN THE TAX DIVISION.

AT THAT TIME, I HAD ESTIMATED IT WOULD, UH, WE WOULD NEED $95,000.

UM, THE ACTUAL THAT I HAVE RE-ESTIMATE TO GET TO THE END OF THIS YEAR IS 173,500.

AND, UH, I KNOW THAT'S A LARGE INCREASE AND COUNCIL'S ALREADY APPROVED THAT AS FAR AS A BUDGET CHANGE.

BUT, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE, UH, IN OUR DEPARTMENT OF 17, UH, PEOPLE BETWEEN ACCOUNTING AND, AND INCOME TAX DIVISION, UH, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, WE HAD EIGHT OPEN POSITIONS.

UH, SO IT'S BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT YEAR IN OUR DEPARTMENT.

WE CURRENTLY STILL HAVE FOUR OPEN POSITIONS, AND, UH, WE ARE GONNA BE INTERVIEWING FOR THREE OF THOSE POSITIONS IN THE NEXT THREE DAYS.

SO I'M HOPING, UH, ONCE THOSE ARE INTERVIEWS ARE COMPLETED AND, UM, THE APPROPRIATE CANDIDATES ARE SELECTED THAT, UH, BETWEEN THE BACKGROUND CHECKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE HIRED BY MAYBE NOVEMBER, DECEMBER TIMEFRAME.

AND, UM, SO IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE STILL, UM, THIS INCREASE IN DOLLAR AMOUNT IS FOR THREE TEMPORARY WORKERS.

UH, AND, UM, THEY ARE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE SO FAR THIS YEAR.

AND, UH, THIS IS ESTIMATED TO GET US THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR.

IF THOSE, UH, POSITIONS ARE FILLED BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, THE TEMPORARY WORKERS WILL, UM, WE WILL END THAT CONTRACT.

THANKS, JIM.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES, RICHARD.

I THINK A SALARY, UH, LOOKED AT SALARIES, UH, COMPARED TO THE, UH, LOCAL COMMUNITIES.

UM, JIM, I, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE, AND, UM, REGARDING STAFFING, UM, AND, AND TEMPORARY STAFFING, ESPECIALLY AROUND TAX TIME, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UM, WHEN IS THE LAST TIME THAT THERE HAS BEEN A COMPLETE REVIEW OF THE STAFFING AND THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, BETWEEN, UH, FINANCE AND, AND, AND TAX? UM, RICK MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS, UH, OF COURSE, HE'S, HE'S BRAND NEW TOO, BUT I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME THAT WE DID A, UM, A FULL-BLOWN LOOK AT STAFFING ACROSS THE CITY WAS 2019.

UM, I KNOW WE DID A,

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UM, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A, A SHORT BRIEF SURVEY DONE LAST YEAR.

UM, BUT, UM, AND HERE'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION.

SO WE'VE HEARD FROM A FEW DEPARTMENTS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HEY, UH, WE COULD USE AN EXTRA PERSON OR TWO, WE'VE NOT HEARD FROM ALL, AND I KNOW FROM THIS SEAT, I HAVE BEEN AN EXTREME ADVOCATE OF WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP THE HIRING PROCESS? UM, DO THE TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES SOMEHOW BECOME PERMANENT EMPLOYEES? HOW DOES THAT WORK? I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

UM, BECAUSE I, I DO KNOW, UM, THE INDIVIDUALS, UH, IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND ESPECIALLY AT THE TAX OFFICE, DOING AN AMAZING JOB.

UM, AND I ALSO KNOW THAT, UM, THERE CAN BE SOME VERY STRESSFUL AND BUSY TIMES .

UM, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS COUNCIL IS ASKING ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND ABLE TO MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A COMPLETE STAFFING REVIEW DONE.

AND I ASKED THAT QUESTION WHILE OUR NEW CITY MANAGER IS SITTING HERE, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT HE WOULD LOOK INTO, UM, AND DEFINITELY BRING BACK TO THIS COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY BEFORE BUDGET TIME, UM, JUST BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A COUPLE OF TIMES AND, UM, I KNOW EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD IS NOT GONNA BE KNOCKING ON, UH, THE NEW CITY MANAGER'S DOOR AND SAY, HEY, I NEED A COUPLE OF PEOPLE.

ME TOO.

UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, FINANCE IS ONE DEPARTMENT THAT ACTUALLY BRINGS IN A LOT OF REVENUE TO THE CITY.

SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT DEPARTMENT, IN MY OPINION, IS STAFFED APPROPRIATELY AND AS FULLY AS POSSIBLE.

SO THAT'S WHY I BRING THAT MAYOR.

I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO MAKE THIS AN ADDITIONAL AGENDA ITEM OR WHAT DIRECTION WE NEED TO GIVE TO THE CITY MAN TO THE CITY MANAGER, BUT THAT IS MY REQUEST FROM THIS EVENING.

AND I'M, AND I, AND I HOPE IT'S SUPPORTED BY OTHERS ON THIS COUNCIL.

RICK.

IS THAT A, IS THAT A REPORT THAT YOU COULD REPAIR AND THEN WHAT? PREPARE AND THEN ONCE YOU HAVE THE REPORT, THEN WE CAN ADD IT TO, UH, SO I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE DONE BY BUDGET SEASON.

SO I'VE HAD A, IN MY PREVIOUS EMPLOYMENT, I DID A SIMILAR, UH, BOTH COMPENSATION AND STAFFING ANALYSIS OR ORGANIZATIONAL ASSESSMENT, UM, FOR ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS.

SO, UM, USUALLY PUBLIC SAFETY'S SEPARATE.

EVEN THE FIRM THAT I USE SAYS THAT THEY'RE NOT BEST SUITED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY ASSESSMENTS.

BUT, UM, I WAS GONNA WORK WITH KATIE ON, UH, A MARKET STUDY FOR COMPENSATION ANYWAY, SO THE FIRM SHE'S GONNA GO WITH DID IT FOR ME, SO THEY CAN DO A STAFFING ANALYSIS AS WELL.

SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.

SO RICHARD, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, I GUESS, WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT ON THAT? BECAUSE, UH, UH, TO, UH, MR. BELL'S POINT, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE AN, AN ORGANIZATIONAL REVIEW, WE'VE DONE SALARY REVIEWS.

THAT WAS JUST WHAT, TWO YEARS AGO.

I THINK TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT, UM, MY BIGGER QUE QUESTION IS TAKING ALL OF THAT IN CONSIDERATION, SITTING DOWN WITH JIM AND HIS TEAM AND SAY, OKAY, JIM, I NEED YOU TO BE OPEN AND HONEST WITH ME.

WHAT DO YOU NEED? YEAH.

UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO FARM IT OUT.

I DON'T WANNA STUDY.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE 20 PEOPLE IN A ROOM ASK, I I WANT THREE PEOPLE AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL AT BUDGET TIME SO WE CAN GET REAL WORK DONE.

SO I THINK, UH, WE'VE BEEN ASKING OUR DEPARTMENT HEAD STAFF DURING BUDGET SEASON, SO I WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE BOTH, UM, A LIST OF ASKS IN TERMS OF STAFF.

BUT I'LL ALSO PROVIDE SOME JUSTIFICATION, UM, WHEN WE COME TIME TO WORK WITH BUDGET.

THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, MAYOR.

YES.

SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ONCE RICK LETS COUNSEL KNOW HE'S GOT THAT INFORMATION TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION, WE CAN ADD TO THE WORK SESSION AT THAT POINT, PLEASE? YES.

DID, DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT? YOU SAID WE DID A SALARY REVIEW JUST A COUPLE YEARS AGO? I WANTING TO BELIEVE THAT, UH, THAT IS CORRECT.

WE, WE DID A ORGAN TABLE OF ORGANIZATION AND A SALARY REVIEW, UM, AND, UM, I WANNA SAY 20 20, 20 21, SOMEBODY HELPED ME OUT WITH THAT.

MAYBE IN 2019.

I KNOW IT WAS JUST YEARS.

SO IT WAS ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO THEN, SO IT'S CLOSE, BUT YEAH.

OF THE INFORMATION WE GOT BACK.

'CAUSE UH, IT, IT JUST, IT JUST DAWNED ON ME THAT, UH, WITH THE POLICE DIVISION, TAKING THE CITY TO FACT FINDING AND GETTING A 5.3% INCREASE, I WOULD REALLY QUESTION THAT SALARY REVIEW CITYWIDE, WOULDN'T YOU? THAT COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION.

YOU ARE CORRECT.

I I AM.

I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT.

WELL, YOU CAN'T THINK OF EVERYTHING, RIGHT? ? YEAH.

NO, THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS QUITE INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING, IF MEMORY SERVES CORRECT, THAT WE ACTUALLY DID, UM, A STUDY AND WE DID FARM OUT.

UM, AND I KNOW OUR HR DIRECTOR, UM, YOU KNOW, WAS A PART OF THAT.

UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE A, A, A LARGER QUESTION FOR OUR NEW CITY MANAGER, UH, TO MAYBE LOOK INTO AND REPORT BACK.

YEAH, I I THINK IT WOULD DEFINITELY QUESTION THE VALIDITY

[01:05:01]

'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UM, SOMETHING WASN'T RIGHT.

UP AS ITEM THREE L, WHICH IS CASE B D P 23 DASH 23 FOR CONTINENTAL 7 52 FUND, L L C.

ANYTHING ELSE? YESIAN? IS THERE A REASON WHY THESE POSITIONS AREN'T GETTING FILLED? I MEAN, IS IT THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING ENOUGH? OR WHAT DO YOU FEEL IS THE REASON THAT YOU'VE HAD SO MANY POSITIONS THAT'S GONE ON FILLED? WELL, THE, UM, THE HIRING ENVIRONMENT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT.

UM, AND OF COURSE, UM, UH, THERE IS A LONGER PROCESS IN HIRING, UH, FOR FINANCE DIVISION, UM, UM, POSITIONS BECAUSE, UH, JUST LIKE POLICE AND FIRE, WE, UM, SINCE ROB SCHOMER WAS A CITY MANAGER, HE HAD INSTITUTED THAT THE BACKGROUND CHECK WOULD INCLUDE, UM, A LITTLE MORE THOROUGH FOR, UH, FINANCE POSITIONS TO INCLUDE A, UM, UH, I'LL JUST SAY A LIE DETECTOR TEST.

I THINK THERE'S A ANOTHER WORD FOR THAT THESE DAYS.

BUT, UM, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH SO MUCH, UH, IN THE WAY OF MONEY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE BRING IN ABOUT $25 MILLION IN THE, IN, UH, TAX DIVISION.

SO, UH, IT'S VERY CONCERNING.

AND, UM, SOMETIMES IT'S JUST BAD LUCK.

UM, I KNOW KATIE AND I HAVE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS AND, UH, YOU, YOU GET YOUR, YOUR GOOD CANDIDATES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, UM, KATIE'S STAFF HAS BEEN, UH, CALLING OUT TO, TO SET UP THESE INTERVIEWS THIS WEEK.

AND WE CALLED, UH, 10 PEOPLE FOR ONE OF OUR POSITIONS, AND ONLY FIVE HAVE SAID YES TO COME IN.

THEY APPLIED FOR THE JOB, BUT, BUT BY THE TIME WE GIVE THEM A CALL AND SAY, OKAY, IT'S TIME TO COME IN AND INTERVIEW ONLY FIVE OF 'EM, UH, SAID YES TO THE INTERVIEW.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S TOUGH OUT THERE.

AND, UH, AND IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ONE QUESTION THAT, UH, RICHARD ASKED.

WE HAVE HIRED TWO, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE WORKING IN OUR TAX DIVISION, UH, AS TEMPORARIES.

WE HAVE HIRED THEM ON AS PERMANENT, AND, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING OUT GREAT.

YOU MIGHT, UM, IF YOU GO DOWN THERE, YOU MIGHT BE ACTUALLY TALKING TO A TEMPORARY, UH, WORKER.

UM, A LOT OF TIMES THOSE TEMPORARY WORKERS ARE WORKING THE FRONT DESK.

SO, UH, IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR US.

AND IT MAY NOT WORK FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BUT FOR THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, SOMETIMES WE JUST NEED SOME PEOPLE TO COME IN AND DO LIKE, DATA ENTRY WORK AND, OR ANSWER PHONES.

AND, UH, SO IT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

SO I APPRECIATE ALSO THE SUPPORTIVE COUNCIL WHEN I COME AND ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS, BUT THAT, ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS DOLLARS THAT WE'RE SAVING, THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING A, UH, POSITION AND BENEFITS AND ALL THAT.

SO, UH, IT IS KIND OF A WASH IN A SENSE.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

SO, UH, WE DO NEED TO MOVE THIS ON FOR THE INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR MONDAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT? OKAY.

[ Case BDP 23-23 - Continental 752 Fund, LLC - Basic Development Plan - 6209 Brandt Pike]

THIS IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 62 0 9 GRANT PIKE.

AARON.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

UH, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UH, SO THIS IS A, UH, REQUEST FOR A 288 UNIT, UM, APARTMENT, UH, MARKET RATE, APARTMENT COMPLEX, UH, MIX OF STUDIOS, ONE, TWO, AND THREE BEDROOMS. UH, IT'S ON A 15 AND A HALF ACRE SITE, CURRENTLY ZONED BOTH PLANNED MIXED USE AND THAT HAS THE, UH, BRANT PIKE, UH, REVITALIZATION OVERLAY DISTRICT UPON IT.

UH, THIS IS THE SITE, UM, THE LIBRARY IS DIRECTLY TO THE EAST.

UM, IT'S ZONED PLANNED, UH, MIXED USE.

THERE'S R SIX TO THE, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL R SIX TO THE WEST, UM, LARGELY PLANNED MIXED USE OR OTHER KIND OF, UH, PUBLIC TYPE, UH, OF USE AROUND, AROUND IT.

UH, SO JUST SO NOT, UM, JUST FOR THE AUDIENCE.

UH, IN 2017, WE DID ADOPT THE BRANT PARK, UH, TARGET REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH, UM, IDENTIFY THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY, UH, MARKET RATE AND SENIOR, UH, HOUSING IN THE AREA TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

THE CITY PURCHASED THE MARION, UH, MEADOW SHOPPING CENTER.

SINCE THAT TIME, THE HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, BRANCH LIBRARY HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED.

DOGTOWN HAS CONSTRUCTED, UH, AND THEN WE'VE STARTED THE FACADE IMPROVEMENTS FOR, UH, THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER.

WE STILL OWN, UH, COMMISSIONER, OR, I'M SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER SHAW, UH, ASKED THAT.

I, UM, KIND OF PUT THIS IN A LARGER CONTEXT.

UH, AND SO YOU HAVE A LARGER MAP ON YOUR, ON YOUR DESK.

UH, 'CAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE TOUGH TO READ, BUT I SUPERIMPOSED, UH, OR ALIGNED THE, UH, THE, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE, WHICH IS CONTINENTAL PROPERTIES, UH, AND SHOW THAT IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE LIBRARY, THE POTENTIAL, UH, GOVERNMENT CENTER, UH, SENIOR CENTER, THE, UH, PARK AREA THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, UH, KINDA THAT CENTRAL GATHERING AREA OR THE LIVING ROOM OF, OF THIS REDEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS DOGTOWN.

AND, UM, THE, UH, CR DAYTON PROPERTIES NOT SHOWN ON

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THIS IS ALSO THE RELATIONSHIP MOVING, UH, NORTH TOWARDS CHAMBERSBURG, WHICH IS KIND OF THE, COULD BE THE NEXT PHASE OF REDEVELOPMENT.

AND TYING THIS INTO THE, TO THE UPDATES OF THE HUBER CENTER, UH, SHOPPING, UH, SHOPPING CENTER.

UM, THERE IS ADDITIONAL REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES HERE AND IN THIS, UH, IMMEDIATE QUADRANT.

SO PREMIER OWNS THE, THE LAND THAT'S OUTLINED, UH, WELL, THIS SHADED BLUE OUTLINED IN RED.

UM, THEY'VE NOT DONE, UH, ANYTHING WITH THAT.

UH, I'M NOT SURE IN THIS MEDICAL MARKET, UH, IN THE COMPETITION AND THE ESCALATING COSTS BETWEEN PREMIER AND KETTERING, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD EVER REALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH ANOTHER MEDICAL BUILDING HERE.

SO THAT IS PROBABLY A CONVERSATION WORTH HAVING IN THE FUTURE.

BUT AS THE PLAN STATES, THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, ADDS ADDITIONAL HOUSEHOLDS, UM, WHICH WILL SUPPORT ADDITIONAL RETAIL.

UM, FOR, FOR THIS AREA, THE, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY CONTINENTAL, UH, PRETTY STANDARD, UM, APARTMENT LAYOUT.

UM, THEY HAD SUBSTANTIAL, UH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE, TO THE WEST.

UM, AND WITH THAT ITERATION, UH, THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY SHIFTED THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS AWAY.

UM, THIS IS ORIENTED, UH, EAST WEST, BUT, BUT BASICALLY THEY'VE SHIFTED THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, UH, FURTHER EAST AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY'VE PUT THE TWO STORY BUILDINGS IN THE BACK, UH, AND THEY'VE, UH, FRONT LOADED ALONG THE NEW DRIVE, THE NEW, UH, PUBLIC ROAD.

UH, THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS, THE DENSITY HASN'T CHANGED, BUT THE ORIENTATION AND THE SPACING BETWEEN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS HAS, HAS INCREASED DRAMATICALLY.

UH, SO THEY INCREASED THE REAR YARD SETBACKS FROM, FROM ORIGINALLY 25 FEET TO NOW IT'S BETWEEN 80 AND A HUNDRED FEET.

UH, ALONG THAT, UH, WESTERN EDGE, UH, PARKING INCREASED TO 550 SPACES.

THERE'S BETTER ORIENTATION, UH, OF BUILDINGS THREE AND FOUR, WHICH ARE THE NORTHERN MOST BUILDINGS.

THEY ACTUALLY FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE URBAN AND WILL DO A GOOD JOB OF FRAMING THE PARK, UH, WHEN THAT'S BUILT ON THE, THE EAST SIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UH, AND I SAID, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE DENSITY OR THE CONNECTIONS OF THE PUB PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THESE ARE THE TWO STORY BUILDINGS, A MIXTURE OF, UH, STONE VENEER, UH, AND OTHER, AND VINYL MATERIALS.

UM, THEY'RE STILL WORKING OUT THERE.

THEY'RE ACTUAL COLOR PALETTES.

UM, BUT THESE ARE THE LATEST, UM, ELEVATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED.

THE REAR STRUCTURES ARE 30 FEET TALL, UH, AS YOU GO EAST, THE THREE STORY STRUCTURE STRUCTURES ARE 40 FEET TALL.

ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY'VE, UH, UH, CHANGED SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS THEY'VE NOW ADDED BALCONIES TO THE, UH, TO THE, UM, BUILDINGS THAT WILL FRONT THE NEW PRIVATE, UH, NEW PUBLIC STREET OVERLOOKING THE PARK AND OVERLOOKING THE LIBRARY.

SO THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT.

SO AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING, UH, REGULATIONS, THESE, UH, THESE USES ARE PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED IN THE, UH, MIXED USE DISTRICT.

THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 40% OPEN SPACE.

I MENTIONED.

THE, UH, THE BUFFER THAT HAS INCREASED, UM, NOT INCLUDED, AND THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL, UH, SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING PLANS.

UM, THE PARKING, UM, THE CODE REQUIRES TWO SPACES PER UNIT.

THE REVISED, UH, SITE PLAN IS ALMOST 1.9, UM, SPACES PER UNIT, WHICH IS, UH, A LARGER PARKING RATIO THAN WE'RE GETTING WITH MOST MULTIFAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.

UH, IN ADDITION, WE ARE DESIGNING AND BIDDING OR PLANNING TO BID THE STREET.

UH, THE NEW STREET WAS PARALLEL PARKING, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE OVERFLOW FOR THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS ALSO THE SENIOR CENTER AND PROVIDE ON STREETE PARKING FOR THAT, UH, PARK OR COMMUNITY, UH, GATHERING AREA.

AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE BRANT PIKE OVERLAY, IT GENERALLY MEETS THE STANDARDS.

UH, THE, THE, UH, OVERLAY DISTRICT IS THE ONLY DISTRICT, UH, IN OUR ZONING CODE THAT HAS A HEIGHT LIMIT.

UM, AND THE HEIGHT LIMIT IS THREE STORIES OR 35 FEET.

UM, THE PROPOSED THREE STORY BUILDINGS ARE APPROXIMATELY 40 FEET, BUT STAFF SUPPORTS THAT DEVIATION.

UH, JUST, UH, A NOTE, THE LIBRARY EXCEEDED THAT 35 FEET, UH, HEIGHT.

THE GOVERNMENT CENTER THAT WE ARE DESIGNING WILL EXCEED THAT AS WELL, UH, SLIGHTLY.

UH, AND THEN THE FRONT, FRONT SENT BACK, UM, IS, UH, 20 FEET, UH, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THE 10 FOOT MINIMUM.

SO, UH, AS FAR AS THE STAFF ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WE FEEL THAT THE STANDARDS OUTLINED IN THE CODE CAN BE MET.

WE RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH, UH, THESE CONDITIONS.

ONE, THE STREET TREES BE FI, UH, PROVIDED 40 FEET ON CENTER, THAT THE SIGN PACKAGE, MEET THE CODE, THE LIGHTING PLAN, MEET THE CODE, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, BE SUBMITTED AND MEET THE CODE.

UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE CLUSTERED, UH, LANDSCAPING

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PROVIDED, UH, ALONG THE, UH, THE NEW PUBLIC ROAD, RATHER THAN ANY KIND OF VISUAL SCREENING BETWEEN THAT OR WHAT COULD BE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, A MIXED USE BUILDING.

UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE.

UH, THE APPLICANT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL STORM ORDER STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS, AS WELL AS ALL FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS.

SO THE PROJECT IS RECEIVED TWO LETTERS OF, UH, SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUSLY TO, UH, APPROVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANKS, AARON.

ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? KATE? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

HEY, AARON, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE ABOUT THE PATIOS? YEAH.

FOR THE, HOW, MY QUESTION IS HOW BIG ARE THE, THEY JUST GONNA BE, YOU OPEN THE SLIDING DOOR AND THERE'S A FENCE THERE, OR CAN YOU PUT A COUPLE CHAIRS OUT THERE AND PEOPLE CAN OVERLOOK THE GARDENS? YEAH.

UM, SO THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT, THEIR SITE PLAN IS, IS, IS INTERESTING.

UM, SO ON THE, ON THE FIRST FLOOR UNITS, THEY DO HAVE A 10 BY 20 PATIO, UH, THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK OUT AND IT'S FENCED IN AND THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, HANG, HANG, HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR KID HANG OUT THERE OR THEIR PET OR WHATEVER.

SO 10 BY 20 IS, IS PRETTY, PRETTY DECENT AS FAR AS APARTMENTS COME BY.

UH, I DO NOT KNOW YET THE EL UH, THE, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE BALCONIES, UH, BECAUSE WE JUST GOT THESE REVISED, UH, ELEVATIONS TODAY.

SO WE WILL WORK THAT OUT IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UH, MY EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD BE AT LEAST SIX FEET, UH, SO SOMEBODY LIKE ME COULD SIT ON THEM.

UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW.

IT LOOKED LIKE THAT YOU JUST OPENED THE BACK DOOR AND THERE'S A RAIL THERE, AND YOU COULDN'T REALLY STEP OUT ONTO THE BALCONY AND YEAH.

NO, IT'S NOT LIKE A, A JULIET WINDOW, ONE OF THOSE FAUX BALCONIES.

IT'S AN ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, BALCONY THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO OUT INTO.

AND THEN I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR AARON.

CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT IS GOING TO BECOME OF THIS AREA TO THE WEST, THIS LONG STRIP? IS IT ALL GONNA BE GRASS? IS IT GONNA GO TO SEED? IS IT GOING TO, WHO'S GOING TO MAINTENANCE THIS? SO THAT'LL BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN.

AND SO ON THIS PICTURE, IT'S EVERYTHING AT THE TOP.

UM, THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED HOW TO PROGRAM THAT.

UM, WHAT THEY HAVE THERE IS AT RIGHT NOW, A, A BERM THAT'S THAT HEAVY LINE.

, A BERM AND A FENCE TO FURTHER PROVIDE SCREENING FROM, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE IS, UH, AN OFF LEASH DOG PARK THAT IS, IT'S TOUGH TO SEE, BUT IT'S, IT'S FURTHER AWAY FROM THE, UH, FROM THE RESIDENTS, UH, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.

AND I THINK THAT WHAT THEY HAVE IN, UH, INTIMATED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT WILL BE BASICALLY A QUIET AREA.

UM, BUT THEY'RE GONNA MAINTAIN IT.

THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME STORMWATER, UH, DRAINS THAT ARE BACK THERE.

IT, IT, IT DRAINS FOR THIS PICTURE.

IT DRAINS BASICALLY, UH, RIGHT TO LEFT.

SO, UM, I THINK JUST LIKE WE HAD WITH THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHEN THEY GET DOWN TO THEIR FINAL GRADING, THAT WILL CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.

BUT RIGHT NOW, THE NEIGHBORS TO THE, TO THE WEST, THEY DO HAVE FLOODING ISSUES.

SO I THINK WHAT THAT WILL END UP BEING IS ESSENTIALLY A SWALE THAT DIRECTS IT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS TO THE WEST, AND MORE TOWARDS THE RETENTION POND THAT IS TO THE SOUTH.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.

ANITA.

I'M GONNA SAY, ERIN AND I SAID IT YESTERDAY, THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO TRY TO FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY HAVE MET WITH NEIGHBORS.

THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE ANSWERED QUESTIONS TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

I CAN SAY BY BEING THE WARD REP THAT, UM, AARON FROM THERE HAS CALLED ME MULTIPLE TIMES.

SO I FEEL THEY HAVE REALLY TRIED TO FIT IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND IT'S VERY APPRECIATED.

I'LL PASS THAT ALONG.

ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

SO I THINK THERE A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR MONDAY.

FOR MONDAY'S MEETING.

SO WE'D HAVE PUBLIC HEARING, FIRST READING, AND THEN THEY WOULD MOVE ON TO SECOND READING ON THE 23RD.

ON THE 23RD.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE BEEN ADVERTISED.

EVERYTHING'S YEP.

FOR MONDAY.

I'LL TALK SLOWER DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING , BUT YEAH, ANY OBJECTION.

UP IS ITEM THREE M, WHICH IS CASE RZ, B D P 23 DASH 24 FOR BUCKY'S, L T D.

WE'LL SEE THIS MONDAY WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING IN THE FIRST READING.

[ Case RZ BDP 23-24 - Buc-ee's Ltd. - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - I-70/State Route 235]

THIS IS A REZONING AND BASE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE ICE AT I 70 AND STATE ROUTE 2 35 HERE.

STRUCTURES OR ACTIVELY FARMED AT THE MOMENT.

SO THE SITE IS ABOUT 40 ACRES, UH, CURRENTLY ZONED, LARGELY PLANNED COMMERCIAL, BUT THERE ARE THREE PARCELS, EXCUSE ME, FOUR PARCELS THAT ARE, UH, PLANNED PUBLIC.

UH, B THREE OR AGRICULTURE.

IT IS, IT IS, UH, EITHER VACANT

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SO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING A 74,000 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORES WITH 120 FUELING PUMPS, AS WELL AS, UH, 24 TESLA OR ELECTRIC, UH, CHARGING STATIONS.

UM, THE REZONING, SO THIS IS SPLIT BETWEEN A REZONING AND, UM, BASIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.

SO THE REZONING AFFECTS 3.93 ACRES.

UH, THOSE WILL BE ZONED TO PLAN COMMERCIAL.

THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS 38.58 ACRES.

UM, TWO OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE BEING REZONED TO PLAN COMMERCIAL WILL NOT BE PART OF THE ACTUAL BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE THERE ARE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS TO PROHIBIT, UM, BASICALLY CONVENIENCE STORES.

SO WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION SAW IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WILL BE BUILT.

UM, BUT THIS SITE PLAN THAT WE WILL BE, THAT I WAS SHOWING YOU DELINEATES OF THOSE LITTLE PARCEL, THOSE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE SITE.

SO THIS IS THE REZONING.

UM, SO WE'RE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF, UH, 2 35 AND I 70.

SO THIS ENTIRE, UH, SECTION HERE WILL BE REZONED.

UM, THE REZONING AFFECTS THIS, THESE THREE PARCELS, PLUS THIS LITTLE, UH, REMNANT OF AGRICULTURAL ZONING FROM WHEN THE, THE STATE TOOK THE LAND FOR THE HIGHWAY.

THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THE, THIS, UH, THERE'S THIS LITTLE, WHAT USED TO BE A FORMAL FORMER CONVENIENCE STORE IS NOT PART OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND NEITHER IS THIS LITTLE, UH, UNNECESSARY STUB, UH, HERE AT THE SOUTH.

UM, I HAVE REVISED THE ORDINANCE, UM, TO REFLECT THESE CHANGES.

AND THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED TO YOU FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR MONDAY.

IT'LL BE IN YOUR PACKETS.

UH, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

UH, AND I'LL ZOOM IN BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A LARGE SITE.

UM, BUT THIS IS THE AREA THAT'S NOT PART OF THE, UH, THAT'S BEING NOTCHED OUT.

THAT'S NOT PART OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY, HERE'S THE SITE PLAN.

UH, MOST TRAFFIC WILL FLOW OFF OF 70 ONTO 2 35.

THERE IS AN ENTRANCE, UH, A FIRST ENTRANCE HERE, THE CENTER OF THE SITE.

THIS IS THE MAIN BUILDING.

THIS AREA ALL THROUGH HERE IS YOUR FUELING PUMPS.

UH, YOUR TESLA CHARGING STATIONS ARE OVER HERE.

THERE'S SOME RV PARKING ON THE, THE WEST SIDE, OR EXCUSE ME, THE SOUTH SIDE.

UH, AND THEN THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE AND MAIN EXIT, UH, ALIGNS WITH ARTS, UH, BOULEVARD.

UH, SO THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS, A MIXTURE OF, UH, THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN US THE, UH, THE ACTUAL EL THE, THE MATERIALS.

BUT LOOKING AT OTHER STORES, IT'S A MIXTURE OF, UH, EFIS AND, UM, UH, BRICK VENEER.

SO THIS WILL BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE THAT YOU DRIVE IN OFF THAT FIRST EXIT.

THIS IS THE, THE BUILDING FACING, UH, THIS IS THE ELEVATION FACING WEST.

THIS IS THE ELEVATION FACING SOUTH.

AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM IS THE NORTH FACING ELEVATION, IF YOU CAME INTO THAT SECOND, UH, SECOND EXIT OR ENTRANCE.

UM, JUST TO GO THROUGH KIND OF AROUND THE HORN HERE OF THE BUILDING.

UH, SO LIKE I SAID, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT, UH, SO THIS IS RV PARKING.

THEY'RE KNOWN FOR NOT HAVING, UH, UH, SEMI-TRUCK.

SO THERE IS A BANK OF, OF RV, UH, PARKING AREAS.

UH, ALL OF THE PARKING STALLS MEET OUR, UH, OUR SIZE DEFINITION.

UH, THERE IS HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE STALLS, UH, ALL AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING.

ON THE, THIS WOULD BE THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THIS IS THE BANK OF ELECTRIC CHARGING VEHICLE AREAS.

UH, AGAIN, ADDITIONAL PARKING SAWS.

UH, THERE'S 699, UM, PARKING SPACES.

UH, OUR CODE REQUIRES ABOUT 600 FOR US, UH, DEVELOPMENT THIS SIZE.

UM, SO THE ONE THING TO NOTE IS, UM, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED, AND ODOT HAS CERTIFIED THEIR PROJECTED TRAFFIC COUNTS.

AND I'LL GET TO THOSE 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUBSTANTIAL.

UM, WHAT THE INITIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT SHOWS IS BASICALLY TWO, UH, TWO ON OFF RAMPS, OR TWO LANES ON THE OFF RAMP ON, UH, WESTBOUND.

71 WILL TAKE YOU, UH, DIRECTLY INTO THE BUCKY'S, UH, ENTRANCE HERE.

THE SECOND IS A BYPASS.

UH, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, GO FURTHER NORTH ON 2 35, IF YOU WERE HEADING EITHER UP ROUTE FOUR, UH, OR HEADING, UH, EASTBOUND ON 70, YOU WOULD COME THIS WAY.

UH, AND YOU WOULD LIKELY ENTER THAT SECOND, THAT SECOND EXIT.

UM, AT THE MOMENT, THE DIVIDING LINES ARE PAINT, UM, ODOT, AND, UH, THE ENGINEERS ARE BUCKY'S ENGINEERS ARE GOING THROUGH THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE MODELING.

AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN NOBODY'S INTEREST

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FOR THIS TO HAVE A PROBLEM AS FAR AS, UH, ACCESS.

AND SO THEY ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY AND COOPERATIVELY TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS FLOWS WELL.

THIS WILL BE A SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, INCREASED IN SIZE ARTS INTERCHANGE.

SO YOU HAVE TWO LANES GOING IN, THREE GOING OUT.

UM, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE VEHICLES, UH, EXITING BUCKY'S WILL TRAVEL SOUTH.

UH, VERY FEW ARE PROJECTED TO TRAVEL NORTH UP 2 35.

AARON, REAL QUICK, I THINK THAT, SO THAT NORTHERN ENTRANCE IS ACTUALLY CENTER POINT, NOT ARTS ARCH IS THE ONE, I'M SORRY, YEAH.

DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE MAIN OR THE MIDDLE ENTRANCE, CORRECT.

OR DISTRIBUTION, I SHOULD SAY, IS 90% IS ON 70.

THIS IS CENTER POINT BOULEVARD.

SO THIS IS THE CENTER POINT BOULEVARD EXCHANGE, CORRECT? YEAH.

THE, THE FIRST ENTRANCE ALIGNS WITH ARTS.

THE SECOND ENTRANCE, OR MOSTLY ALIGNS WITH ARTS.

THIS IS CENTER POINT, YES.

SO FULL, FULL TRAFFIC CONTROL, UH, AND IT'S FULLY SIGNALED INTERSECTION.

UH, THIS IS THE INITIAL, UM, LANDSCAPING PLAN.

A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, UH, LANDSCAPING AND TREES AROUND THE PERIMETER.

UH, THERE ARE, UH, PARKING ISLAND TREES, AS WELL AS, UH, INTERIOR PARKING, UH, UH, BUSHES AND SHRUBS.

UM, THE, THE, UM, LANDSCAPING PLAN MEETS, UH, OR EXCEEDS, UH, OUR, UH, REQUIREMENTS AT THE MOMENT.

UM, SO THIS PART WILL CHANGE WHEN WE GET TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THIS IS THE, THE, THE, THE SECTION THAT IS NOT IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO THEY'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING TO, TO TREAT THIS, THEY PLAN TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UH, WHICH IS THE, THE VACANT COM, UM, CONVENIENCE STORE.

UH, BUT HOW THEY TREAT THIS, WE WILL WORK OUT, UH, AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, BUT THE TANK FARMS, WHICH ARE UNDERGROUND, BUT THEY ARE SCREENED, UH, YOU CAN SEE PERIMETER TREES AND, UH, VEGETATIONS.

THEY DO A GOOD JOB OF SOFTENING WHAT IS AN ENORMOUS SITE.

JUST ADDITIONAL LANCE PLANTINGS, JUST TO, TO SHOW THE AMOUNT.

SO, AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE ARE USING OUR, OUR NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS, UM, PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THIS IS IN THE, UH, WORK, UH, AREA.

AND, UM, THE, THE KEY ELEMENTS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THIS, UH, PORTION OF THE, UH, OF THE, OF THE CITY IS TO LEVERAGE KEY ASSETS.

AND I 70 IN THIS AREA IS THE KEY ASSET.

UM, BUCKY'S IS GONNA EMPLOY, UH, APPROXIMATELY 200 PEOPLE.

UH, IT IS NOT A CONVENIENCE STORE, UH, LIKE YOUR TRADITIONAL CONVENIENCE STORE.

THIS GENERATES, UH, A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

IT'S A DESTINATION.

UM, SO I KNOW TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS A CONCERN, BUT THERE IS NO BETTER LOCATION IN THE CITY THAN THIS, UH, THAN THIS LOCATION.

AS FAR AS FLOW ACCESS, WHO, UH, WILL OR WILL NOT BE IMPACTED.

UH, IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS CORNER.

SO AS FAR AS THE, UH, CONFORMANCE WITH THE, THE, THE DISTRICT, THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, THE PROPOSED USES ARE PERMITTED.

UH, THE SITE PLAN MEETS ALL PARKING SET BACK IN YARD REQUIREMENTS, UH, I WON'T GO INTO ALL THE DETAILS, BUT THE, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN DOES APPEAR TO MEET ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS.

BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE DETAILED SECTION, WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY DIG INTO THAT.

UM, PARK, THE, UH, PARKING PLAN MEETS THE CHAPTER 1185.

UH, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S ALMOST 700 SPACES.

WE REQUIRE 600, SO THEY HAVE SOME TO GIVE.

UM, THERE WAS NO SIGNED PACKAGE SUBMITTED, BUT THAT WILL BE REVIEWED AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF SUBMISSION.

SO, UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EVERY PLAN ANALYSIS, BUT I DO WANT TO TALK ON THE, THE ONE HERE, WHICH IS ITEM C AS FAR AS ACCESSIBILITY.

SO THE INITIAL TRAFFIC COUNTS, UM, SHOW THAT NEW TRIPS GENERATED BY THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 21,000.

UM, AS FAR AS PEAK HOUR, WHICH IS HOW IT'S TYPICALLY MEASURED, UH, IT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND, UH, IN THE MORNING AND 1500 IN THE EVENING.

SO, TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, IN ACCESS IS, IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

AND SO, AND THEY ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH, UM, ODOT.

ONE THING TO NOTE IS, UH, IN MOST CONVENIENCE STORES, THE PASS BY TRAFFIC, UM, IS CONSIDERED ABOUT 70% OR SO.

'CAUSE MOST, MOST PEOPLE ARE PASSING BY, AND THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY STOP BECAUSE THIS IS A DESTINATION, THEY CAP THAT, THAT AMOUNT IN 10%.

SO THESE ARE REALLY NET NEW TRIPS GENERATED BY A DESTINATION OF, UM, BRISKET AND JERKY AND MACARONI AND CHEESE, MACARONI AND CHEESE AND BEAVER PARAPHERNALIA.

UM, SO ONE THING TO NOTE HERE, UM, UH, THE PRO THE ESTIMATED TRIP GENERATION

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UH, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT, AND WHEN YOU TOTAL IT ALL UP, UM, ONLY ABOUT 1% OF THE ESTIMATED TRIPS WOULD GO NORTH ON THE 2 35, WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE, UH, UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO INDIAN LAKE, UM, THERE'S REALLY NO REASON TO GO TO BUCKY'S.

AND THEN FURTHER NORTH, EITHER IF YOU'RE HEADED EAST OR WEST, UH, IT IS EASIER TO GO DOWN 70 AND 75 OR 70 TO ROUTE FOUR OR 30, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER DESTINATIONS OR FASTER WAYS THAN GOING NORTH ON 2 35.

SO WE DON'T THINK THAT IT WILL CAUSE THAT MUCH INCONVENIENCE.

UM, SO AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, WE SUPPORT THE PARTIAL REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT WE WANT THEM TO ASSESS THE TREE HEALTH ON THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE AND TRY TO INCORPORATE THOSE TREES THAT ARE, THAT ARE HEALTHY.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TREES, BUT THERE ARE SOME, UM, TWO THAT WE, THEY'LL WORK WITH STAFF AS FAR AS, UM, DETERMINING FINAL STREET TREE PLACEMENT ON 2 35.

THERE WON'T BE SIDEWALKS ON 2 35.

UH, SO IT'S NOT A TRADITIONAL, UM, STREET TREE KIND OF PLACEMENT.

UH, IN ADDITION WITH THE, THE ONE PARCEL BEING, UM, SORT OF PULLED OUT, WE WANT TO JUST, WE WANNA WORK WITH THEM IN MORE DETAIL ON THAT.

UH, THE SECOND, THIRD CONDITION THAT THE SIGN SHUCK AND FORM WITH CHAPTER 1189, UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED, UH, DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AND THAT PERMITTED USES SHALL BE THOSE LISTED IN SECTION 1176, EXCEPT FOR THIS LIST, UM, WHICH WE HAVE STARTED PULLING OUT OF MOST PLANNING COMMERCIAL, UM, DISTRICTS.

UH, ONE RESIDENT SPOKE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, UH, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED FIVE TO ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THANKS, AARON.

QUESTIONS? YES.

NOT, SO, AARON, CAN YOU GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS, THE REASON THE PARCEL'S BEING CARVED OUT, AND, UH, WHAT YOU SEE AS THE POTENTIAL END RESULT OF ALL THAT? YEAH, SO, UM, THE DEEDED RESTRICTION THAT REALLY IMPACTS THE IMPACTED THIS SITE WAS RIGHT HERE ACROSS FROM, FROM ARTS ROADS.

SO, UH, THE DEEDED RESTRICTION, THE, THE ATTORNEYS WHO ARE REPRESENTING THE, THE, THE PARTY, UH, ENFORCING THE DEEDED RESTRICTION SENT THAT TO ME.

UH, AND IT BASICALLY PROHIBITS GAS STATIONS, CONVENIENCE STORES, DOLLAR STORES, UM, KIND OF ANY KIND OF, I'LL CALL IT, QUICK SERVICE OR RETAIL.

UM, AND SO, UH, IT ONLY AFFECTS THAT ONE LITTLE, UH, PARCEL.

SO, UM, IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANY OF THE, THE REST OF THE SITE.

SO WHAT BUCKY'S DID TO ADDRESS THAT IS THEY ACTUALLY SLID THE SITE ABOUT 30 FEET TO THE, TO THE SOUTH, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT IT DOES IMPACT, AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW, IT DOES IMPACT THE LOCATION OF OUR LIFT, UM, STATION THAT IS PLANNED TO BE IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY.

SO, UM, THEIR ENGINEERS AND OUR ENGINEERS ARE WORKING TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

UH, RUSS SAID THAT THEY HAD A CONVERSATION FRIDAY, UH, AND, AND THINGS ARE, ARE MOVING FORWARD.

UM, SO IT, WE DON'T THINK IT'LL HAVE, UH, AN IMPACT ON EITHER OUR STATION, UH, NOR WILL IT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THEIR CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE.

UM, SO THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS GOOD.

UM, I KNOW THAT BUCKY'S ATTORNEYS ARE IN CONVERSATION WITH THEIR ATTORNEYS, UH, ABOUT THIS IN THIS LITTLE, ABOUT THIS SITE.

UM, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, SO I DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE, BUT WHAT THEY'VE INTIMATED TO ME IS THAT THE CHANGES THAT THEY'VE MADE AS FAR AS PULLING IT OUT OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, WILL SATISFY THE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS.

WHAT I BELIEVE BUCKY'S WILL PLAN TO DO, THEY PLAN TO HOLD THAT SITE ANYWAY.

UM, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO AT LEAST CLEAN IT UP BY RAISING THE, UH, THE VACANT STRUCTURES AND JUST KIND OF TIDYING UP THAT SITE.

'CAUSE THAT VACANT STRUCTURE IS NOT WHAT THEY WANT FOR THEIR ENTRANCE.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE EXACT ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? KATE? MAYOR.

AARON.

WOULD THEY EVER CONSIDER PUTTING LIKE A PICNIC SHELTER FOR LIKE, PEOPLE TO TAKE THEIR DOGS OUT AND LIKE, LET 'EM HAVE A LITTLE BREAK AND THEY'D HAVE PICNICS OR PEOPLE COULD GET MARRIED THERE, WANNA GET MARRIED AT BUCKY'S? WELL, UM, POSSIBLY .

UM, I'M NOT SURE.

YEAH, ALL IT HAPPENS.

IT HAPPENS.

A RETAINING POND THAT WILL BE DRESSED UP IN LANDSCAPE.

I'M SURE IT DOES.

SO ALL OF THIS, UH, THIS PERIMETER HERE IS A RETAINING POND THAT, THAT WILL BE DRESSED UP IN LANDSCAPE.

THIS IS

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SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR, UH, OUTDOOR AREAS.

THIS IS ALL GRASS.

THIS IS ALL GRASS, UH, AND WILL BE, BUT RIGHT THERE WHERE THAT LITTLE RIGHT THERE WHERE YOUR MOUSE IS.

LIKE, THAT'S WHERE THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE.

SO JUST COMPLETELY RAISE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE AND JUST PUT A, YEAH.

SO THERE'S A BIG, THERE'S ABOUT A 10 FOOT GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN THE TOP OF 2 35 AND THE BOTTOM OF THE SITE.

SO THAT WILL NEED TO BE, UM, KIND OF FEATHERED OUT, AT LEAST IN THIS AREA.

BUT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE THOSE REST AMENITIES, UM, FOR, FOR PEOPLE THAT, AND NOT DINE IN YOUR CAR IN THE PARKING LOT.

AND THEIR PETS NEED A BREAK TOO.

YES.

SO THERE IS, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE STILL LEFT OVER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, RICHARD.

AARON.

TALK TO ME ABOUT TRAFFIC.

UM, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A BOATLOAD OF TRAFFIC.

UM, AND, UH, WHAT I DEEM TWO POINTS, UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT ONE, I THINK IT MAY BE THE EASIER ONE.

UH, YOU SAID O ODOT S UH, SUBMITTED, UH, FOR THE CERTIFICATION, UM, OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND PLAN.

DOES THAT CERTIFICATION IN THEIR REVIEW, UM, DEEM ANY TYPE OF ENHANCEMENTS, UPGRADES, OR ADDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO THIS? AND COULD YOU GO INTO DETAIL? YEAH, SO ALSO, UH, KIMLEY HORNE'S ENGINEER IS HERE, WHO'S BEEN WORKING WITH ODOT ON THAT.

UM, BUT, SO RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU TRAVEL, UM, WESTBOUND ON 70 AND YOU GET OFF THE 72 35 EXIT.

UM, IT'S, IT'S A ONE LANE CORRECT.

EXIT, CORRECT? YEAH.

UH, SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT THIS EXIT WILL BE ENLARGED TO TWO LANES.

UH, SO THERE WILL BE A WIDENING OF 2 35 AND, AND A PARTIAL RES STRIPING, SO THAT AS YOU HEAD FROM 70 ONTO 2 35, THERE WILL BE TWO DEDICATED LANES.

ONE ESSENTIALLY GOES INTO BUCKY'S, EITHER AT ARTS OR AT CENTER, UH, CENTER POINT 70, YOU HAVE YOUR CHOICE.

UH, THE SECOND LANE WILL GIVE YOU THE OPTION TO ESSENTIALLY BYPASS AND GO NORTH ON 2 35.

SO BEFORE WE CONTINUE, I WANNA, I WANNA, I WANT TO PINPOINT EACH CONVERSATION WE GO FOR, UM, ONE, UM, WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, UH, ADDITIONAL LANE? YEAH.

SO ALL OF THAT WILL FALL ON BUCKY'S.

SO BUCKY'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THAT.

YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE HAVING A COST SHARING CONVERSATION WITH ODOT, BUT THEY HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS ASKING US FOR ANYTHING.

PERFECT.

MY NEXT QUESTION IS, UM, WHAT TYPE OF BRAND NEW AND INFORMATIONAL TECHNOLOGY OR SIGNS DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO INSTALL TO TELL PEOPLE TO TAKE THAT ONE LANE INTO THE BUCKY'S WHEN WE CAN'T EVEN GET PEOPLE TO FOLLOW BASIC TRAFFIC LAWS HERE IN HUBER ? SO, UM, I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE STUDY THAT THAT IS GOING ON WITH ODOT RIGHT NOW IS WHAT I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT PART YEAH.

IS HOW WE'RE GONNA GET PEOPLE IN THERE, RIGHT.

AND WHAT TYPE OF LANE MARKINGS YEAH.

AND NUDGING NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO, TO GENTLY MOVE PEOPLE INTO THE RIGHT.

I MEAN, WE CAN PUT CEMENT WALLS UP AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEN WE'RE GONNA JUST HAVE A, A MASS CASUALTY ACCIDENT THERE, RIGHT? UH, WE CAN PUT UP BALLARDS THERE, BUT WE'VE SEEN HOW THAT WORKED DOWN AT TROY.

PEOPLE JUST KEPT RUNNING INTO 'EM.

WE SAID, OH, WE'RE DONE.

UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.

IT IS.

I MEAN, YOU GOTTA GET PEOPLE TO THE SITE.

YOU GOTTA GET 'EM THERE SAFELY, GET THERE, SAFELY GETTING THERE, UH, EFFICIENTLY BECAUSE IT DOES NOBODY ANY GOOD FROM THEIR CUSTOMER RELATION PERSPECTIVE AND OUR CUSTOMER RELATION PERSPECTIVE IF THIS BECOMES A, A TRAFFIC MESS.

AND, AND I KNOW WE GOT SOME OTHER DETAILS TO TALK ABOUT IN THERE, BUT AS FOR ME, AS ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO REVIEW ON THIS SITE.

NOT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT 110 GAS PUMPS, NOT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT A SHORTFALL OF EV CHARGING STATIONS, BUT HOW ARE WE GONNA GET PEOPLE THERE SAFELY? WHAT'S THAT COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE STATE AND BUCKY'S GONNA LOOK LIKE? UM, I MEAN, WE CAN PASS, YOU KNOW, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS ALL DAY LONG, BUT WE'VE GOT ONE SHOT TO DO THIS.

UM, BUT ONE OF THE, THE CONDITIONS OF DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS PRIOR TO ANY ZONING PERMITS BEING ISSUED, THEY WANTED THEM TO COME BACK SO THAT THEY COULD REVIEW IN MORE DETAIL THEIR PARKING LOT STRIPING PROCESS, THEIR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PROCESS.

AND THAT'S, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, AARON, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHEN IT COMES BACK, THIS COUNCIL WON'T SEE IT.

THIS COUNCIL WOULDN'T SEE THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

IT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, THEY EXPRESSED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING ALSO CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AND, AND PARTICULARLY THE FLOW.

SO I KNOW THE MEMBERS WILL HAVE KEEN EYEBALLS ON, UH, NOT ONLY, UH, ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.

AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN PAST, UM, SO THE, UM, FLYING ACE CAR WASH ON BRANT MM-HMM.

, UM, THEY APPROVED SORT OF A PARTIAL DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, SO THAT THEY COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH DEMOLITION AND PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.

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SO WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR, UM, FLYING ACE TO GET THAT TO US.

UM, THEY'RE WORKING WITH STAFF AND, AND ALSO THE ENGINEER, BUT NO PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONDITION.

SO THAT I THINK WILL ALSO BE PROBABLY, AND, AND WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THEIR CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE IS.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE OUR PUMP STATION UP AND RUNNING.

UM, AND, AND, BUT THERE ARE MONTHS TO WORK THIS OUT.

BUT LIKE I SAID, THE, UH, THE ENGINEERS HERE, UM, I KNOW THAT THE ENGINEERS HERE, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT DETAILED, UM, SORT OF WHAT'S BEING, WHAT'S TRANSPIRING BETWEEN ODOT AND, AND BUCKY'S.

I, I MEAN, AND, AND I, AND I GET THAT PLANNING COMMISSION'S GONNA SEE THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, MORE IN DEPTH OF HOW THE TRAFFIC FLOW'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WHAT'S GOING TO PREVENT A MASS CASUALTY ACCIDENT THERE, HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET PEOPLE IN, IN AND OUT OF THERE MM-HMM.

UM, BUT AGAIN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THIS COUNCIL'S THE ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, GETS ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE WE HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE CITY, NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THAT'S, SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CONCERN THAT WE'VE ALL HEARD FROM RESIDENTS ACROSS THE CITY AS TRAFFIC.

TRAFFIC.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, BRINGING THE TRAFFIC FROM I 70, AND I THINK WE'VE SAID IT, THIS IS GOING TO BE A DESTINATION.

LIKE WE SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS IN OUR CITY THAT WEREN'T GOING TO BE DESTINATIONS THAT HAVE SINCE TURNED INTO DESTINATIONS.

THIS WE'RE JUST SAYING OFF THE, IT'S GOING TO BE A DESTINATION.

SO MY, MY NEXT QUESTION, AARON, EXPLAIN TO ME HOW WE'RE GONNA GET, SO WE'RE ADDING THE ADDITIONAL LANE THAT BUCKY IS GONNA PAY FOR.

HOW ARE WE GONNA GET PEOPLE OUT OF THIS SITE SAFELY? AND I SAY SAFELY BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL ALSO HAS TO UNDERSTAND THAT CENTER POINT BOULEVARD IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST TRUCKING HUBS FOR COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC IN THIS REGION.

SO PEAK TIMES ALSO MEANS PEAK COMMERCIAL TRUCK TIMES, RIGHT? EVEN THOUGH BUCKY'S IS NOT COMMERCIAL TRUCK FRIENDLY.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES ON THE OTHER END OF THE STREET.

THEY BRING IN A LOT OF REVENUE AND BUSINESS AND, AND MOVE PRODUCT IN THIS, IN THIS REGION.

SO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN SAFELY.

SO THAT'S PART OF ALL THE MODELING THAT IS CURRENTLY GOING ON RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT ODOT AND KINLEY HORN IS WORKING ON AND ALIGNING THE, UM, THE NUMBER OF, OF LANES, THE SIGNALIZATION TIMING, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THAT WORKS WELL FOR BOTH THE, UH, THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, THE HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT THAT HEADS FROM, FROM COCA-COLA AND OTHERS, UH, CENTER POINT, THEN ON TO 70.

UH, AND LOOKING AT THAT TIMING AND, AND SIGNALIZATION AND MAKING SURE IT, IT MESHES WELL BECAUSE THE, THE PEAK HOUR FOR BUCKY'S, UM, PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO, UH, THERE WILL BE SOME OVERLAP, BUT THE PEAK HOUR FOR BUCKY'S IS NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE THE PEAK HOUR FOR WHEN THE TRUCKS ARE EXITING TO GO DO THE DELIVERIES.

AND WHEN THEY'RE COMING BACK FOR, UH, FOR THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR DAY, THEIR SHIFT IS OVER.

WELL, I KNOW PRIOR TO COVID YOU COULD ALMOST SET A WATCH BY THE TIME I WOULD GET TO HUNT BEHIND A FEDEX TRUCK THAT WOULD BE COMING TO EXECUTIVE.

NOW I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, RIGHT? WITH CENTER POINT 70 BUSINESS, HOWEVER, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT LARGER TRUCKS AND A LOT MORE MANUFACTURING, UM, GOODS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THAT REGION.

UM, THE REASON I BRING UP COMMERCIAL TRUCKS IS THAT'S THE SAME CONVERSATION THAT, UM, THAT I HAD WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE, UM, MERRILY WAY PROJECT ON COMMERCIAL TRUCK.

UM, TURN RADIUS AND ENTRANCE SAFELY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UM, I, I MEAN, VICE VERSA, THERE'S GONNA BE COMMERCIAL TRUCKS THAT'S GONNA BE COMING INTO BUCKY'S TO DELIVERING GOODS, FUEL, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO THEY'RE GONNA BE HAVING TO GET IN SAFELY AND OUT SAFELY AS WELL.

UM, SO, SO THESE TURN, THESE TURNING RADIUSES ALL WORK FOR DELIVERY TRUCKS, FIRE APPARATUS, UH, ET CETERA.

I THINK THAT THEY ARE, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH.

I WOULD SAY THAT THEY ARE CASUALLY HOSTILE TO, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, YOUR NORMAL EVERYDAY TRUCKER, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT THEIR DELIVERY DRIVERS OR, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO THIS SITE WORKS AS FAR AS TURNING MOVEMENTS FOR, FOR ALL OF THOSE.

UM, THEY JUST DON'T WANT THAT AS THEIR PRIMARY CUSTOMER.

AND THEN, AND THEN MY SECOND PIECE ON, OR SECOND, THIRD PIECE, WHEREVER I'M AT AT THIS POINT, UM, BUCKY'S IS HOWEVER SOMEWHAT RV FRIENDLY.

SEEN SOME OF THESE RVS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, THAT HAVE TRAILERS AND THINGS THAT, I MEAN, THESE ARE STRAIGHT HOMES.

SO WE NOW HAVE RVS THAT ARE COMING INTO THIS, UM, UH, LOCATION AND RVS THAT ARE GONNA BE EXITING THIS LOCATION AT THE SAME TIME THAT COMMERCIAL TRUCKS MAY BE EXITING.

NOW, I WILL TELL YOU, SINCE, UM, BACK IN THE DAY WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT AN RV, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE, I'VE

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MANSIONS ON WHEELS.

SO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT'S BEEN PUT INTO PLACE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE LARGER RV UNITS THAT I'M SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE TRAVELING DOWN 70 AND WE SEE 'EM EVERY DAY.

SO WHAT, WHAT HASN'T BEEN WHAT'S, NOT WHAT I'M NOT SHOWING, BUT THE, THE GRADING PLAN, UH, THE REASON THE SITE IS SET BACK, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, IS THIS IS A PRETTY SHALLOW GRADE COMING IN, UH, AND AN EVEN, EVEN SHALLOWER GRADE GOING OUT.

SO THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOT AN ISSUE AS FAR AS ACCELERATION, UH, AS YOU COME OUT AND YOU MAKE THAT, MAKE THAT TURN TO THE SOUTH.

SO THAT IS ALL PART OF THEIR, THEIR CALCULUS IS MAKING SURE THAT THE, THE, THE STACKING, UH, AREA IS, IS DEEP ENOUGH AS WELL AS THE GRADE IS SHALLOW ENOUGH TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE THE UNDERPOWERED DIESEL PUSHER, UH, TO, TO STILL ACCELERATE COMPARED TO YOUR LARGER, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL TRUCK.

AND IS THERE GONNA BE ANY ENHANCEMENTS, UH, TO THE, UM, UM, ARTS AREA WHERE THAT, THAT PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE AT? SO RIGHT NOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY PLANS YET, UH, 'CAUSE ODOT IS STILL WORKING ON, ON THAT STUDY.

I DON'T KNOW AT THIS MOMENT IF THERE WILL BE UPGRADES TO THE, UH, EAST, SORRY, THE, THE WEST SIDE OF ARTS.

UM, IT ALREADY IS, IS IT? I'M TRYING TO THINK.

IS IT, IT'S TWO LANES.

UH, AND THEN IT KIND OF SPLITS.

UM, THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS HERE FOR THE, ON THE BUCKY SIDE.

FOR THE BUCKYS IN AND THEN OUT AND, AND GOING NORTH ONLY AT THIS AREA NOW.

AND I, AND AGAIN, I KNOW AS A CITY WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT WHAT OUR OBLIGATION IS TO THIS SITE IN THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL PIECE TO THIS QUAGMIRE.

BUT ADDITIONALLY, UM, IF WE GOT TWO LANES COMING OUTTA BUCKY'S AND WE'RE PUTTING THAT TRAFFIC ON TO STATE ROUTE 2 35 IN ADDITION TO THE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC COMING OUTTA THERE, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, THOUGHTS OF, OF INCLUDING AN ADDITIONAL EXPRESS LANES THROUGH THERE, UM, OR ANYTHING ELSE OF THAT NATURE? SO, AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE? YES.

SO MY, I'M, I'M, I'M IMPRESSION CHAT CHATTING WITH THE ENGINEERS THAT ODOT RECOGNIZES THAT THEY NEED, THEY WANNA DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS HERE AS WELL.

UH, AND SO, WELL, RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT 2 35 AND YOU CAN GO EAST WEST OR YOU CAN GO SOUTH ON, ON WHAT TURNS INTO ROUTE FOUR.

UM, BASED ON THE TRIP DISTRIBUTION MODEL, UH, VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC WILL HEAD SOUTH ONTO ROUTE FOUR.

UM, MOST OF IT WILL GO EAST OR WEST.

SO I THINK WOULD, IT'LL A NATURAL SPLIT, UH, WHICH LANE THEY CHOOSE TO, YOU KNOW, WHICH LANE THEY CHOOSE TO JUST GO STRAIGHT.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE YET.

AND THEN I GUESS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERED BY ODOT OR THE, UM, TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UM, IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE BY ODOT, THE DECKING, THE BRIDGE, THE SUPPORT, IS IT, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE AT LEAST I I CAN'T REMEMBER ITS LAST CERTIFICATION.

IS IT, UM, STABLE ENOUGH TO HANDLE THE, UH, INCREASE IN TRAFFIC FLOW? SO THAT ONE I CAN GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU.

I HAVE NO IDEA OFF THE, THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I MEAN, WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE GOVERNOR'S PUSH ON, ON BRIDGE SAFETY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

LAST THING I'D WANNA DO IS PUT AN ADDITIONAL THOUSAND CARS, TRUCKS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE WITHOUT HAVING THAT, THAT, THAT DECKING COMPLETELY CERTIFIED.

UM, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT ONE SHOT TO GET IT RIGHT.

LET'S GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH ODOT, THEY BUCKY'S AND THEIR ENGINEERS MM-HMM.

HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH ODOT LONGER THAN THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH US.

UM, SO THEY, THEY'VE HAD A LONG RUNWAY TO, TO WORK ON THESE TRAFFIC ISSUES.

BUT AARON, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE STILL DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THE ANSWERS.

WELL, WELL, WE WERE STRAIGHTFORWARD IN SAYING THAT THEY ARE DOING THEIR MODELING NOW.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL I GOT AT THIS TIME.

IF YOU ARE HEADING SOUTH, UM, ARTS WILL STILL BE THE, YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO GO SOUTH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANITA? I'M TRYING TO THINK VISUALLY THINK HERE.

SO ARE THEY GONNA BE PUTTING A LIGHT IN ARNS AT THIS POINT? NO.

UM, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD.

UM, THE, THE, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN CENTER POINT AND ARTS THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD IMPEDE FLOW OUT OF THIS, UM, UM, FACILITY GOING SOUTH.

THERE ARE A FEW, UH, TRUCKING COMPANIES THAT DO USE ARTS.

I THINK, UM, WHAT WILL NATURALLY HAPPEN IS MORE WILL, WILL, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE TURNING TO GO NORTH, WILL, WILL GO TO CENTER POINT, UH, 70

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WELL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO SOUTH AND NORTH AS IT'S DESIGNED RIGHT NOW.

BUT I THINK IF, UH, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY, MOST OF THE TRUCKERS, THE PROFESSIONAL TRUCKERS ARE PROBABLY JUST GONNA TOOTLE UP TO, TO CENTER POINT 70.

SO THEY'RE AT A LIGHT BECAUSE I WAS READY TO SAY I GO TO FOUR OVER QUITE FREQUENTLY FOR WORK.

AND DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY WHEN I COME OUT, EVEN MAKING A RIGHT HAND TURN, SOMETIMES IT'S KIND OF HARD JUST AT THE STOP SIGN.

'CAUSE IT GETS VERY BUSY AND YEAH.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THE STUDY WOULD SHOW THAT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS EITHER WARRANTED OR EVEN RECOMMENDED AT ARTS.

UM, CERTAINLY UPGRADED SIGNALIZATION AT CENTER POINT 70.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

THANK YOU MAYOR AARON, ON THE WEST SIDE OF 2 35, NOT ONLY IS THERE ARTS ROAD, BUT THERE'S A GAS STATION.

, ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO HELP THEM TURN LEFT? ARE THEY NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT OUTTA THERE? BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT GONNA A STOP SIGN BETWEEN A PROGRESSIVE AND ARTS, THEY'RE NOT EVER GONNA BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT AND GO NORTH.

COULD WE PUT SOMETHING THAT GOES UP TO PROGRESSIVE? CAN WE HELP 'EM FEED OUT THE BACK WAY AND YEAH.

UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANNA HAVE IS A REPEAT OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TOO MANY DRIVEWAYS ENTERING.

THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

AND I I SEE YOU'LL, YOU'LL ANSWER.

ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

SO THIS IS SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY THE NINTH AND THE FIRST READING, AND THEN A SECOND READING SCHEDULED FOR, UH, OCTOBER 23RD AS WELL.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

YEP, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE N, WHICH IS CASE RZ, B D P 22 DASH 35.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, MOVING THIS TO MONDAY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE FIRST READING? OKAY.

[ Case RZ BDP 22-35 - Thomas Dusa - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - Technology Boulevard/Artz Road]

UH, THIS IS APPLICANT THOMAS DUSA FOR REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AT ARTS ROAD.

AARON? YES.

I'M GONNA GO OFF YOUR LEAD ON THIS 'CAUSE EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THIS, UH, HERE QUITE A BIT.

UM, SO THIS IS, THIS WAS CASE WAS REMANDED, UM, BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AFTER SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL FOR A LARGER 30 SPACE TRUCK STOP, UH, CONTINUE WITH A 45 A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT REPAIR, UH, SHOP.

SO WE'RE IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA.

THIS IS, UH, JUST SOUTH OF ARTS.

UM, BUCKY'S IS ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.

UH, SO THIS, UH, THIS COUNCIL HAS SEEN THIS, UH, CASE ABOUT NINE TO DIFFERENT TIMES.

UH, AT THE LAST, UH, MAY MEETING, IT WAS REMANDED TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER A FACILITY WITH UH, 30 WITH MORE TRUCK STOPS.

THE APPLICANT CAME BACK WITH, UH, SORRY, NOT TRUCK STOPS.

30 TRUCKING.

THE APPLICANT CAME BACK WITH 30 TRUCKING SPACES AFTER THE DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT HAVING A LARGER FACILITY.

UH, THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND THE AUTO PARKING REMAINS UNCHANGED.

UM, SO IN THE JANUARY WORK SESSION, THERE WAS, UM, SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THIS DIFFERS FROM A TRADITIONAL TRUCK STOPS.

UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL RAISE CONCERN ABOUT OVERNIGHT SLEEPING.

UH, JUST THE, THE WHOLE ISSUE OF TRUCK STOPS IN GENERAL.

UH, THE DESIRE TO SEE AN ATTRACTIVE, UH, SITE AND PARKING ISSUES ON ARTS AND TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD IF DRIVERS ARRIVE AFTER THE FACILITY IS CLOSED.

TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A RESPONSE IN LATE FEBRUARY.

UH, WE THEN MOVED TO THE APRIL WORK SESSION OF PUBLIC HEARING.

THERE WAS ALSO QUESTIONS ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION AND ACCESSIBILITY OF THAT FACILITY TO DRIVERS AFTER HOURS.

UM, THIS COUNCIL ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS FAR AS THE FACILITY OPERATIONS, SO HOW IT'S GONNA BE ADVERTISED, ACCESS CONTROL, OVERFLOW, PARKING.

UH, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A LETTER OR RESPONSE TO ME ON APRIL 15TH.

IT WAS THAT POINT WHERE OVERNIGHT STAY WAS MENTIONED, UH, BY THE APPLICANT AS A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO THOSE LIMITED, UH, OPERATING HOURS.

SO, UH, WE THEN MOVED TO THE APRIL 23RD WORK SESSION IN MAY, COUNCIL MEETING.

THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME SUPPORT FOR THE LARGER, UH, SITE PLAN, BUT THERE WAS ADDITIONAL CONCERNS THAT WAS EXPRESSED ABOUT OVERNIGHT STAY, UH, UH, AND, AND ON MAY 8TH THAT, UH, THIS COUNCIL REMANDED THE CASE TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO

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CONSIDER THAT LARGER SITE PLAN.

SO THIS IS THE LARGER SITE PLAN.

UH, IT'S 30 PARKING SPACES OR 30 TRUCK PARKING SPACES ABOUT, UH, NINE VEHICLE SPACES FOR REQUIRED FOR THE, FOR THE MAINTENANCE FACILITIES AND EMPLOYEES.

UH, IT'S CONTROL, ACCESS, GATE FENCED, ET CETERA.

THESE WERE THE RENDERINGS THAT THEY PROPOSED ORIGINALLY FOR THE, UH, MAINTENANCE FACILITY.

UM, AS I'VE MENTIONED THAT THE APPLICANT FEELS THAT THERE'S NEED FOR SUPPORT, UH, SERVICES FOR TRUCKERS WHO HAVE, UH, MAXIMIZED THEIR ON-ROAD HOURS AND MUST REST.

UM, SO I WON'T GET INTO THIS.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THIS AREA.

SO, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR FELT THAT, UM, SO STAFF FELT THAT THIS COULD BE JUSTIFIED IF THERE WERE MORE THAN JUST A TRUCK DROP LOT, AND IT WASN'T A TRAILER DROP LOT, THAT THERE WERE OTHER SERVICES PROVIDED, HENCE THE CREATION OF THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY.

THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT EVOLVED.

UM, AS FAR AS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND CONFORMED AND HOW IT CONFORMS WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, UM, THE, UH, THE PROPOSED USES ARE, UH, PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED IN THE PI DISTRICT.

ALL OTHER STANDARDS FOR THIS CHAPTER ARE MET, INCLUDING STREET TREES.

UM, BUILDING SETBACKS ARE APPROPRIATE.

UH, THE BUILDING FACADE HAS, AS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, HAD 30% MASONRY.

UH, AND THEN THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED HE WILL, THEY WILL MEET ALL OTHER, UH, RELEVANT CHAPTERS INCLUDE SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING, PARKING, ET CETERA.

THE FIRST CONDITION WAS THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH ALL ZONING, UH, PROVISIONS OF ZONING CODE THAT ALL PARKING AND LOADING, UH, AREAS SHALL BE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE, THAT THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO SUBMIT A PHASING PLAN FOR CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

WE, ME WAS CONCERNED THAT IF THIS WAS PROPOSED, THE, UH, OR APPROVED THAT THE CONCRETE LOT WOULD GET BUILT, BUT NOT THE ACTUAL MAINTENANCE FACILITY.

UH, SO WE THEN HAD, UH, A FOURTH CONDITION THAT NO ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING PARKING, STORAGE, OR SITE IMPROVEMENTS, SHALL INCUR UNTIL THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED.

THE BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED AND A ZONING CERTIFICATE IS ISSUED, UH, AT THE ORIGINAL, UM, APPROVAL.

SO PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THIS THE FIRST TIME AROUND WHEN IT WAS A SMALLER, UM, FACILITY.

THE CONDITION WAS THAT THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING BE A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY, UH, UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED.

AS PART OF THAT DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THEY WANTED TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS A, AN ATTRACTIVE BUILDING.

UH, AND AT THE, THE LAST MEETING, UH, FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, THIS SIXTH, UH, CONDITION WAS, UH, WAS INCLUDED, WHICH IS NO STAYING OR SLEEPING BY DRIVERS OR OTHER CUSTOMERS SHALL BE PERMITTED.

UM, THEY, THEY DIDN'T WANT SLEEPING DURING THE DAYTIME OR THE NIGHTTIME.

SO THERE, UM, THERE WAS ONE BUSINESS OWNER WHO, UH, OOPS.

UH, ONE BUSINESS OWNER WHO OWNS, UH, UH, A BUSINESS THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT TRUCKING PRESENCE, WAS CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC, UM, IN AND OUT OF, OF ARTS IN THIS AREA, AS WELL AS, UH, PARKING POTENTIALLY ON TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD.

SO AFTER A LENGTHY DISCUSSION WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THEY VOTED THREE TO TWO TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE REZONING AND, UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THIS LARGER SITE.

UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT, THAT THERE WERE DIFFERENT MEMBERS ON PLANNING COMMISSION THEN, WHO ORIGINALLY HEARD THIS.

WE ALSO HAD ALL FIVE MEMBERS INSTEAD OF, UH, THREE MEMBERS WHEN, UM, THIS WAS FIRST, UH, HEARD BY, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, THE GENERAL, THE, THE FEELING FOR THOSE WHO VOTED AGAINST IT WERE THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL A TRUCK STOP WAS APPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION.

UH, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT KIND OF THE APPEARANCE AND WHETHER THIS WAS REALLY THE, THE RIGHT GATEWAY, UM, USE INTO, INTO THE CITY.

UH, AND THEN OTHERS CONTINUED TO EXPRESS CONCERN ABOUT ON SITE SLEEPING.

AND THIS MORPHING INTO A TRADITIONAL TRUCK STOP.

UH, SO, UM, WHAT IS COMING TO YOU IS A, UH, IS NOW A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THANKS, AARON.

GLENN, I GOT A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THIS.

UM, WELL, FOR STARTERS, UM, I FEEL REALLY BAD FOR THE, UH, THE POTENTIAL OWNER AND DEVELOPER HERE.

I MEAN, WE HAVE HAD THEM IN HERE.

IT'S NOT BEEN, HONESTLY, BETWEEN PLANNING COMMISSION, WORK SESSIONS, COUNCIL MEETINGS.

I GOT TONIGHT AT, UH, 14 MEETINGS.

I DON'T BELIEVE I'VE EVER SEEN ANYONE PUT UP

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WITH THAT BEFORE.

UM, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, GATEWAYS.

PERSONALLY, I DON'T SEE THAT TRULY AS A GATEWAY TO OUR CITY.

I DON'T THINK NOBODY COMES INTO THE MAIN PORTION OF OUR CITY THROUGH THAT.

BUT EVEN SO, UM, WE FEEL, OH, WELL, AS A GATEWAY, WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTA BE PRETTY AND WHATNOT.

SO 120 PLUS GAS PUMP GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORES.

OKAY, BUT NOT THIS.

I FIND THAT INTERESTING.

UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS MENTIONED OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS, ONSITE SLEEPING, UH, THE, THE, THE REPAIR, UH, FACILITY, UM, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

EVERY SINGLE TIME IT WAS BROUGHT UP THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, MEETINGS AND MEETINGS OF THIS BODY.

UM, THE DEVELOPER OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, CAPITULATED TO OUR REQUESTS AND MADE CHANGES.

HE WENT AS FAR AS MAKING CHANGES TO THE DESIGN TO ACCOMMODATE OUR REQUESTS, AND THEN BROUGHT IT BACK TO US.

AND WE TOLD HIM WE DIDN'T LIKE THOSE CHANGES THAT WE REQUESTED.

IT'S JUST PITIFUL.

UM, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S AWFUL THAT WE'VE DONE THIS TO A PERSON HERE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THIS BODY THAT JUST DON'T LIKE TRUCKING AND TRUCKERS OR THAT INDUSTRY, SORRY, THEY BRING ALL YOUR GOODS TO YOUR HOUSE.

YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL FOR THEM.

OR IF IT'S JUST THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY IN GENERAL THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH, UM, WHERE THIS OWNER'S FROM.

UM, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IT'S GOT ME IN MY WITTS END AND OVER THIS LAST WEEK, I'VE REVIEWED THESE MEETINGS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND WE'VE TREATED THIS POOR, POOR PERSON HORRIBLY.

UM, BUT IT'S, UH, MY OPINION AT THIS POINT, UM, IF I CAN BE BLUNT, WE, UH, WE SHOULD OR GET OFF THE POT BECAUSE WE'VE SAT HERE AND DRUG THIS PERSON AROUND FOR, FOR WELL OVER A YEAR, WHICH THIS HAS GOTTA BE RECORD IN THIS IN THE CITY.

UM, WE EITHER NEED TO THUMB UP THIS OR THUMB IT DOWN AND LET THIS PERSON MOVE ALONG WITH THEIR LIFE.

BUT I THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE WHAT WE'VE DONE TO THEM.

UM, I'VE EXPRESSED THAT IN PAST MEETINGS MIDWAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

THIS IS JUST, I, I HONESTLY, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN BE SO PICKY AND CHOOSY ABOUT SOME TOPICS AND NOT OTHERS.

UM, I MEAN, WE, WE WENT AS FAR AS ASKING THIS GUY FOR HIS DAMN BUSINESS PLAN, WHICH IS UNCALLED FOR, IN MY OPINION.

UM, WE DON'T DO THAT WITH ANYONE ELSE.

SO, UM, MY REQUEST, NAH, NAH, NOT MY REQUEST.

MY, MY PLEA TO EVERYONE UP HERE IS PASS THIS OR FAIL IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

LET THIS, LET THESE PEOPLE MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES AND GET TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BECAUSE THIS IS JUST AN AWFUL THING THAT WE'RE DOING.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE PLAN WITH IT BACK IN FRONT OF US NOW, RICHARD.

UM, I COMMEND COUNCILMAN OTTO.

HE, UH, TOOK THAT A BIT MORE POLITELY.

UM, YES, I WILL SAY THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS UNCOMMERCIAL TRUCK FRIENDLY, AND I THINK WE HAVE A SLEW OF PROOF ON THAT.

UH, THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES TO COMMIT, UH, UH, TO A COMMERCIAL TRUCKING LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, THAT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE.

UM, WE'VE JERKED THIS GUY AROUND FOR WAY TOO DARN LONG, UM, TO BENEFIT OUR RESIDENTS, UH, AND THOSE PASSING THROUGH THAT ARE COMMERCIAL TRUCKERS.

UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE RESIDENTS IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY THAT ARE BEING HARASSED BY NEIGHBORS.

H O A PRESIDENTS LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON, WHERE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS TO RESPOND AND WASTE THEIR TIME TO COME OUT TO THESE COMPLAINTS, UM, BECAUSE OF TRUCKS BEING PARKED EITHER ON THE STREET OR IN THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE WE HAVE NO FRIENDLY LOCATION IN THE CITY TO PARK IT UNLESS YOU MEET WITH A COUPLE OF GUYS DOWN THE ROAD ON TAYLORSVILLE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ALLOW THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO PARK THERE.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT A MUNICIPAL AND IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S ADVERTISED OR ANYTHING ELSE OF THAT NATURE WHERE THIS GENTLEMAN WANTS TO DO EXACTLY THAT.

UM, I REALLY DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL HAS GIVEN SERIOUS CONSIDERATION INTO THE RAMIFICATIONS OF, UH, CONTINUING TO SAY NO TO COMMERCIAL, UH, TRUCKING INDUSTRY.

UM, IT TOOK THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER ALMOST DENYING THAT I HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, JUST SO WE COULD CHANGE THE ORDINANCE ON THE LENGTH OF A TRAILER IN A TRUCK IN THIS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO HAD LANDSCAPING BUSINESSES WERE BEING HARASSED.

UH, AND I MEAN, IT'S COMPLETELY ASININE.

UM, AND I, I THINK WE, WE REALLY SHOULD BE PUTTING OUR, OUR FEET, UH, TO THE GRINDSTONE HERE AND PAST THIS RIGHT HERE, OR IF NOT THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO VOTE NO AGAINST IT.

I WANNA SEE YOUR PLAN TO SUPPORT OUR COMMERCIAL TRUCKERS

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IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I WANNA SEE YOUR PLAN TO HELP THOSE WHO HAVE ISSUES.

UM, BECAUSE I PRESENTED MY PLAN AND THIS COUNCIL'S VOTED IT DOWN, MR. OTTO SUPPORTED ME IN THOSE PLANS.

THIS STAFF HAS TOLD ME TIME AND TIME AGAIN OVER THE PAST EIGHT YEARS, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO.

BUT YET WE ALL LIKED OUR BUSINESSES.

WE ALL LIKE COMMERCIAL TRUCKS.

WE ALL LIKE THE MONEY THAT A, B, F AND, UM, AND, AND FEDEX AND U P S AND LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON.

WE LIKE THEIR, THEIR TAX DOLLARS.

BUT MR. AND MRS. JOHN Q TAXPAYER WHO HAS AN OVERNIGHT RIG THAT HAULS GOODS AND SERVICES IN THE REGION, AND WE DON'T LIKE THOSE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT THEM PARKING ANYWHERE.

MATTER OF FACT, THE CITY WENT AS FAR AS SUPPORTING EFFORTS BY MYERS AND WALMART TO SAY NO SEMI-TRUCK PARKING ALLOWED, NOT SAYING, HEY, WE UNDERSTAND THAT MAY HURT YOUR BUSINESS.

LET'S WORK WITH YOU TO FIGURE OUT WHAT A SOLUTION IS.

NO, WE DIDN'T DO THAT.

SO AARON, I UNDERSTAND THAT DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S, IT'S THEIR POSITION.

WE PUT THEM IN PLACE TO EMPOWER, UM, AND, AND NOTHING ON YOU.

UM, I THINK IT'S THIS COUNCIL THAT HAS TO MAKE A DECISION.

UM, AND, AND WE HAVE TO DIRECT STAFF THAT AND SHOW THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE DO SUPPORT COMMERCIAL TRUCKING BY EITHER PASSING THIS OR I NEED TO SEE SOME INDIVIDUAL PLANS BY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

UM, BECAUSE IF NOT, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT FOLKS FROM A B F, COCA-COLA, U P S, FEDEX AND ESTES ARE ALL WATCHING HOW WE ACT ON THIS RIGHT HERE, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT GOT BLOWN UP IN THE NEWS.

ANYTHING ELSE, ANITA? I THINK IT'S THE PERFECT TIME TO PASS THIS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REDOING THAT ROAD RIGHT THERE.

SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT.

THEY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE THAT IN LINE AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WORK ALL THIS THROUGH THEN.

'CAUSE THAT WHOLE AREA IS GONNA HAVE TO BE REDONE FOR BUCKY.

SO I JUST THINK THIS IS THE TIME THAT WE DO THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN OTTO AND COUNCILMAN SHAW.

IT'S, WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE TRUCKERS IN THIS AREA.

WE DO NOT DO THAT.

AND UM, IT'S TIME THAT WE, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT 'EM AND SHOW THAT, YEAH, YOU'RE VIABLE TO THIS AREA.

THANKS TINA.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.