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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO
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THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.TODAY'S DATE IS SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2023, AND WE'RE STARTING THIS WORK SESSION AT 4:01 PM THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? MR. SHAW? HERE.
AND MS. KITCHEN SHOULD BE JOINING US SHORTLY, AND SHE LET TONY KNOW THAT, UH, SHE MAY BE 10, 15 MINUTES LATE THIS EVENING SINCE WE'RE HAVING AN EARLY START.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
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TWO A IS MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023.THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.
ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, CHANGES? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE, WHICH IS OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION.
AND WE WILL START WITH ITEM THREE A, THE STATE MANAGER'S REPORT.
I WILL DEFER THAT TO COUNCIL SESSION TONIGHT.
FOR THE ACTUAL COUNCIL MEETING? YEAH.
EXCEPT AS ITEM THREE B, ARTS AND ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION UPDATE.
UH, I WAS JUST NOTIFIED ABOUT 10 MINUTES AGO THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, SHANNON T WAS, UH, FROM THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION, COULD NOT MAKE IT HERE.
SHE WAS HELD UP AT WORK, SO SHE'S GONNA PUT SOMETHING IN WRITING AND I'LL DISTRIBUTE THAT OUT TO COUNSEL, UH, FOR THE UPDATE.
THERE'LL BE NO FORMAL PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.
AND THEN, SO THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS
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THE SPLASH PAD AT THOMAS CLOUD PARK, AND MIKE'S GONNA GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT.UM, BASICALLY THIS, UH, IS JUST A, UM, PRESENTATION TO THE CURRENT STATUS OF TOM CLOUD PARK SPLASH PAD.
UM, BASICALLY IF, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, CHRIS AND I, UM, GOING THROUGH SOME, UM, THIS SEASON'S, UM, REVIEW OF WHAT, WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH IT, UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO START WITH A BRIEF INTRODUCTION.
UM, THIS GLASS SHOW WAS BUILT IN 2010 BY A COMPANY OUT OF COLUMBUS.
UM, AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IN, IN THIS RESEARCH THAT WE'VE DONE TOO SOMEWHAT IS, UM, THE LIFE EXPECTANCIES IS AROUND 10 TO 15 YEARS FOR THESE PARTICULAR SAME, SIMILAR STYLES, FLASH PADS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
UM, SO THAT'D BE PUT IN ABOUT 13 YEARS RIGHT NOW, UM, WITHOUT A, A MAJOR REFURBISH OR, UM, YOU KNOW, OVERHAUL OF THE SYSTEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY ABOUT, UM, IN 2023, UM, JUST, UM, SOME LIKE WATER, NEW WATER LINES, UM, SOME PUMP FEATURES.
AND, UM, A NEW CHEMICAL CONTROLLER WE ADDED FOR ABOUT $35,000.
UM, THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL COST TO RUN AND SUSTAIN THE, THE AMENITY IS ABOUT $30,000 A YEAR.
THAT BEING SAID, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UM, CHRIS AND I HAVE, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE, UM, WENT THREE DIFFERENT KIND OF OPTIONS THAT WE'VE WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
UM, OPTION NUMBER ONE, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH, UM, A VENDOR WHO IS KIND OF I'VE MENTIONED, IS FAMILIAR WITH THE DESIGN AND WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE INCEPTION OF IT FROM THERE.
UM, THEY GAVE US A PART FOR SOME, OR SOME, SOME QUOTES AND SOME PRICING FOR JUST A, A QUICK OVERLOOK OF WHAT THINGS THEY THOUGHT COULD BE WRONG RIGHT NOW THAT COULD BE REPLACED TO MOVE IT UP TO KIND OF A BANDAID SITUATION FOR THE NEXT TIME BEING.
UM, AND THOSE COSTS WERE ABOUT 20 TO $25,000.
UM, THE, THE SEC SECOND OPTION HERE WOULD BE TO, UM, SPEC, GO AHEAD, PLEASE FIX THAT FOR ME.
IS IT ON? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA WORK FOR ME OVER HERE.
NEXT OPTION WOULD BE FOR, UM, TO SPEC AND, AND APPROVE DIFFERENT SPECS FOR, UM, BASICALLY TO, UH, BUILD A NEW SPLASH PAD, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE IS ABOUT 400 TO $500,000.
UM, THE ESTIMATIONS WE GOT FROM A COUPLE DIFFERENT VENDORS THAT BUILD 'EM FROM THE FLOOR UP.
UM, THE OTHER OPTION, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE RECENTLY CONTACTED A LOCAL MUNICIPALITY WHO'S GOING THROUGH A SIMILAR PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, UM, AND, AND MAKING THE DECISION OF, OF MOVING FORWARD.
UM, SOME, SOME WITH THE PROBLEM WITH BOTH, WITH OPTIONS OF NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO IS YOU'LL FIND REPLACEMENT WOULD BE A COMPANY DOESN'T WANNA COME IN AND REPLACE WHAT'S THERE.
THEY WOULD WANT TO TEAR DOWN WHAT'S THERE AND KIND OF START OVER BECAUSE THE CURRENT FIXTURES AND FEATURES JUST WILL NOT BE UNLESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, YOU'RE GONNA USE MY PRODUCT IF I'M GONNA SELL YOU YOUR PRODUCT, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO WHAT A LOCAL MUNICIPALITY HERE HAS DONE,
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THEY, THEY'VE HIRED AN ACTUAL ARCHITECTURE FIRM TO COME IN, DO A, A REALLY KIND OF LIKE A PROJECT MANAGER ASSESSMENT AND KIND OF PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT FEATURES CAN BE REBUILT, WHAT CAN'T, FEATURES CAN'T BE REBUILT.UM, THE COMPANY THAT, UM, THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY HAS CHOSEN, THEY'VE REBUILT AND REFURBISHED, UM, ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.
UM, SO THEY'RE KIND OF, THIS IS THEIR, THEIR STICK IN A SENSE OF SPLASH PADS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY, LIKE, THEY'VE DONE 'EM IN TEXAS, ALL, LIKE I SAID, ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.
SO, UM, BASICALLY THESE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS FOR THE, FOR THAT THIRD OPTION.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A ROUGHLY, AND THESE ARE JUST ROUGH ESTIMATES OF, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF SPEC AND THINGS THAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR AND BE APPROVED BY COUNSEL AS FAR AS WHAT TYPE OF FEATURES, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO.
UM, SO, SO THESE THREE OPTIONS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, COMBINED WITH ONE ANOTHER IN A SENSE OF LEAVE ONE WE PRESENTLY HAVE BANDAID IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS, BUILD ANOTHER ONE IF YOU DECIDE TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S A KIND OF CAVEAT OF A CATERING, YOU KNOW, OPTION ONE, COMBINING THE TWO.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OR, OR CHRIS MAY BE ABLE TO CHIME IN ON SOMETHING IF I'VE MISSED ANYTHING.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING OR ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? UH, FOR, FOR MICHAEL? CHRIS? YES.
UM, MIKE, IF OUR MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE ABOUT 30,000 A YEAR, THEN HOW, HOW'S THE SHORT TERM REPAIR ONLY AMOUNT TO 2025? SHORT TERM AMOUNT? THAT WOULD JUST BE FOR THE CURRENT FEATURES THAT WE GOT FROM THE LOCAL, UH, MANUFACTURER THAT BUILT IT.
AND THAT WOULD JUST BE TO COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, THE, RIGHT NOW IT'S IDENTIFIED AS THIS FEATURE NEEDS REPLACED, THIS FEATURE DOES NOT WORK.
BASICALLY HAVE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX THAT ARE JUST NOT FEASIBLY WORKING RIGHT NOW CORRECTLY.
SO THAT WOULD BE, JUST TO GET THOSE UP TO A SPEED OF WHERE THOSE ARE.
THE, THE $30,000 ANNUAL CO COSTS ARE BASICALLY THE COST OF SUSTAINABILITY OF CHEMICAL USE.
MY PEOPLE BEING THERE EVERY DAY, CHRISTMAS PEOPLE BEING THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A CONSTANT MAINTENANCE.
SO THAT'S ON TOP OF THE 2025? THAT'D BE, YEAH, THAT'D BE ON TOP OF THAT.
THAT'D BE CON, COMBINED WITH THE, THE ESTIMATED 30, THAT 30 WOULD STILL BE THERE AS WELL.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING 60 AROUND THAT AREA.
YES, GLEN, HAVE WE CONSIDERED LIKE, UM, MAYBE SIMPLIFYING THE SPLASH PAD INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL THE BUCKETS AND THOSE THINGS GOING TOWARDS THEM MORE, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT JUST KIND OF SHOOT OUT OF THE GROUND AND THOSE, THAT TYPE OF STUFF IS FINDING THAT YEAH, WE, WE LOOKED AT THAT OPTION.
CHRIS COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BETTER THAN I CAN.
YEAH, SO THE ONE THAT WAS THE, UM, UH, TEAR DOWN AND REBUILD, THEY GAVE US TWO OPTIONS.
UM, THEY CALLED IT THE ECONOMY OPTION AND THE CADILLAC VERSION.
SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPTIONS IF YOU WANTED TO, TO GO DOWN THAT PATH OF, OF REBUILDING.
BUT LIKE MIKE SAID, THEY ACCOMPANIED THE, THE FEATURES THAT WE HAVE AND THE CONTROLLER THAT WE HAVE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY CURRENTLY, WHAT'S CURRENTLY DOWN THERE.
SO THEY WOULD WANT TO PUT THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN PRODUCT THAT THEY SELL IN THERE.
BUT WE DO WITH THE, UH, SPEC AND REBUILD, THERE IS TWO OPTIONS OF A MORE OF AN ECONOMY TYPE VERSION, AND THEN A CADILLAC VERSION IS WHAT I WOULD CALL WITH MORE FEATURES AND SPRAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THOSE OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
SO, UH, MAYOR, THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION WAS IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THE ISSUES OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE CLOGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT A LOT OF THE ISSUES ARE JUST IN THE MECHANICS OF, OF THE EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, FAILING TO FUNCTION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT MIGHT SHRINK SOME OF THAT, BUT STILL ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR KIDS TO GO DOWN AND GET WET SPLASHED AROUND PLAY AND ALL THAT KINDA GOOD STUFF.
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE DECISION COUNCIL MAY LOOK TO, TO MAKE ON, ON WHAT ARE THE IMPORTANT AMENITIES, WHAT DO WE THINK THE COMMUNITY IS GONNA WANT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE HAVE LOTS OF, UH, OF KIDS IN HEBREW HEIGHTS AND EVEN FROM THE, THE DAYTON AREA THAT, THAT COME THERE THAT ARE REALLY FROM ALL DIFFERENT SOCIOECONOMIC ASPECTS OF, OF, OF OUR COMMUNITY IN, IN DAYTON.
SO, UH, THAT SPLASH PAD GETS A LOT OF USE FROM FAMILIES AND KIDS WHO JUST DON'T, OR CAN'T AFFORD OTHER, OTHER OPTIONS.
SO, UM, BUT CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING IT AND LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY AND, AND COSTWISE, I MEAN, I WOULDN'T DISAGREE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT ALL THE OPTIONS ARE TO SEE WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO STILL BE ABLE TO KEEP SOME TYPE OF SPLASH PAD AS A VIABILITY FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
NEED SOMEONE GO, MIKE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT? COME BACK, JUST KIND OF ANSWER MR. ADA'S QUESTION A LITTLE BIT IN MORE IN DEPTHLY IN A SENSE OF WHAT CHRIS SAID TOO IS THE CURRENT CONTROLLER THAT'S WITH THAT IS RAN FOR THOSE FEATURES KIND OF SPECIFICALLY.
SO THAT WOULD, WE HAVE TO COME IN AND GET REPROGRAMMED BY THE MANUFACTURER OF RAINDROP.
RIGHT? ITS SO YOU SO SIMPLIFYING SOMETHING, TAKING SOMETHING AWAY IS GONNA MAKE SOMETHING RUN DIFFERENTLY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A SYSTEMATIC, YOU KNOW, FEATURE.
IT'S A, IT RUNS THIS FOR SO MUCH TIME AND IT'S KINDA LIKE A CLOCK, YOU KNOW? AND, AND I WOULD REALLY ONLY CON HARD LOOK TO CONSIDER THAT OPTION IF THE, THE OPTION THAT WE ALL THOUGHT WAS BEST WAS REPLACE IT.
THEN THAT MIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA HAVE TO ALL BE TORN NOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT.
NOW A SHORT TERM VERSION WOULD BE BAND-AIDING THAT PARTICULAR WITH THOSE OBJECTS MM-HMM.
AND I JUST WANNA PRESENT THAT TO COUNSEL AND MAKE THEM AWARE OF THOSE THINGS.
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IT FOR ANOTHER YEAR TOO.THAT'S, IT'S JUST THAT APPRECIATE THAT, MIKE.
UM, CHRIS, WHAT IS THE COST, THE ESTIMATED COST TO RE TO REPLACE IT WITH A SIMILAR STRUCTURE? YOU GAVE US A FOUR 50 TO A 500.
IS THE 500 A CADILLAC AND THE FOUR 50 IS THE ECONOMY, OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WELL, THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS SOMEWHERE AROUND JUST IN MATERIALS ONLY, IT'S ABOUT $80,000.
THE BIG PART IS THE ACTUAL DEMO AND THE REBUILD.
UM, THAT PART'S THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF THE COST, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS ABOUT $80,000 BETWEEN THE, THE, THE PAIRED DOWN VERSION VERSUS THE, THE TOP OF THE LINE VERSION.
UM, AND BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT USE THAT SPLASH PAD, I WOULD, I WOULD BE, UM, VERY HESITANT TO GO WITH A SMALLER VERSION OF WHAT WE HAVE BECAUSE THE PLACE IS PACKED ALL THE TIME.
WHAT DO THEY HAVE DOWN AT THE, UM, DOWNTOWN, THE, THE WATERFRONT AND STUFF LIKE THAT? I MEAN, DO THEY, DO THEY JUST HAVE JUST THE CERTAIN, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF EQUIPMENT, JUST THE ESCORTING, IS THAT WHAT ON I GET THE GREEN? YEAH.
I THINK WE, I DON'T KNOW IF MAINTENANCE WOULD BE DIFFERENT OR NOT.
UH, MIKE, UH, YOU MENTIONED THIS, UH, THIS FACILITY WAS BUILT IN 2010 TO DATE.
UH, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY, UH, THAT THE CITY HAS SPENT ON REPAIRS AND BANDAIDS AND UPKEEP? THAT'S TAKE ME A WHILE FOR THAT ONE.
YOU, I CAN GET YOU THOSE NUMBERS, BUT THEY PROBABLY BALLPARKING AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR IT DOES THIS AND THERE'S SO MUCH SPENT, SO THERE'S NOT A REAL AVERAGE TO IT OTHER THAN JUST THE MAINTENANCE COSTS.
LIKE, YOU HAVE A WATER FEATURE, LIKE ONE YEAR USED TO HAVE THE GUNS ON IT.
WELL, THOSE GUNS COST THAT YEAR.
WE HAD TO REPLACE THOSE, THOSE WERE LIKE FIVE GRAND A PIECE.
SO THEY KIND OF WENT LIKE THIS.
MIKE, DO WE, UH, ALWAYS PREPARE 'EM FROM THE SAME VENDOR? I'M SORRY? DOES THE SAME VENDOR ALWAYS MAKE THE REPAIRS TO THE SPLASHBACK, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT MOSTLY.
OH, YOU GUYS REPAIR 'EM YOURSELF? BASICALLY, WE ORDER THE FEATURES AND WE DO A LOT OF THE WORK AND REPAIRS.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU ORDER FROM THE SAME PLACE IF I CAN GET JIM TO RUN A REPORT ON THAT TO GET CAUGHT.
YEAH, I, I, I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T MIND SEEING A, A BALLPARK NUMBER OF WHAT WE'VE SPENT SINCE THE INCEPTION TO KEEP THAT RUNNING, UH, WITH PARTS AND REPAIRS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
OBVIOUSLY THAT, THAT AMOUNT, UH, WOULD BE A BIT DIFFERENT, UH, THIS DAY AND AGE WITH, UH, UH, THE ECONOMY AND INFLATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, BUT I THINK MAKING SURE THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS ALL THE TOOLS IN THIS TOOLBOX TO DETERMINE, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, A, A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR, YOU KNOW, UH, AMENITY IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL AND THE CITY, UH, NEEDS TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UM, OR, OR ADDITIONALLY, IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING, UH, PRETTY BASIC, UM, I MAYOR, I, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO, UH, MAKE AN OPINION AT THIS TIME.
I WOULD NEED MORE INFORMATION.
UH, I NOTE THAT JIM BELL'S HERE TONIGHT.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY PORTAL.
JIM, UH, JUST A QUICK GLANCE AT SPLASH PAD.
UM, SO I'M LOOKING AT NUMBERS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, LISTED UNDER PARTS 2020 $42,945.
ANY RECOLLECTION OF WHAT, HOW THOSE AMOUNTS CAME IN OR WHAT THEY MIGHT BE CHARGED TO? NO, THE ACCOUNT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THE, THE ACCOUNT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS PROBABLY OUR CAPITAL ACCOUNT.
SO IT WOULD ONLY BE EXPENSES FOR THINGS THAT ARE, UH, OVER $5,000.
AND, UH, WHEN I WAS, UH, WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO PREPARE FOR THIS, I WAS LOOKING BACK AND I SAW VERY FEW YEARS WHERE WE HAD COMMITMENTS OF THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
IT WAS A BIG COMMITMENT BACK IN 2010 AND 11.
AND THEN THERE HASN'T REALLY BEEN ANYTHING, UH, MUCH SINCE THEN.
I, I SEE THE DEBT SERVICE NUMBERS RUNNING ACROSS AND THEN ON OCCASIONAL, UH, LISTING UNDER PARKS, UH, OR, UH, ANYWHERE FROM A FEW HUNDRED, LIKE I SAY, TO 42,000.
SO YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO DIG DEEPER AND LOOK INTO, UM, UH, LIKE MIKE SAID, SINCE THEY'RE DOING THE SERVICE ON IT, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK FOR THE, THE DIFFERENT PARTS THAT HAVE BEEN ORDERED.
AND, UH, IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO FIND, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT SOME TIME INTO IT AND, AND FIND, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE YEAR MIGHT BE A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS.
ANOTHER YEAR MIGHT BE MORE TOWARDS, UH, 12, 15,000 AT, UH.
UM, MAYOR, I HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, MIKE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO, UH, OPTION NUMBER ONE? SURE.
SO THIS IS A, UH, WHAT YOU CALLED A BANDAID.
DID I, DID THEY IDENTIFY SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT, UM,
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UM, THAT YOU CAN RECALL THAT THEY WANT TO REPAIR? UM, YEAH, BASICALLY SOME OF THE JETS, UM, SAND FILTER, UM, MULTI INPUT VALVE REPLACEMENT PUMP, THAT'S THE MAIN FEATURE PUMP.UM, AND THE STARTER, I BELIEVE IT'S START SKIRT, SKIRT SKIRTS.
SO WITH THAT BANDAID, IS THERE A GUESSTIMATE AS TO, UH, HOW LONG OF A PERIOD WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, THAT THE REPAIRS WOULD LAST AS A IT'S HORRIBLE WATER FEATURES? YEAH, IT'S AGAIN, WITH A WATER FEATURE.
THE THING ABOUT IT IS YOU PUT A BANDAID ON IT AND YOU KNOW HOW WATER IS, YOU FAIL.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A POOL, SO REMEMBER I'M A PLUMBER, MIKE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WATER WITH CHEMICALS RUNNING THROUGH A SYSTEM CONTINUALLY THROUGH A MONTH PERIOD, AND THEN IT'S SITTING CONTINUALLY FOR A SOME MONTH PERIOD OF TIME, YOU MIGHT CLIMB INTO SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW OR EXPECT IT WAS THERE.
AND IT, LIKE THIS PLUMBING, WE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T, I'D SAY IF I WOULD SAY AT MOST TWO, THREE MAX MM-HMM.
AND THEN, UH, THIS MIGHT BE A HARD ONE TO ANSWER, BUT WOULD THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE, UH, THIS BANDAID REDUCE IN ANY WAY OUR, UH, ANNUAL MAINTENANCE COSTS? IN OTHER WORDS, WOULD WE DROP DOWN FROM THAT? UH, 30 K YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A YEAR? WELL, CHRIS AND I RIGHT NOW ARE TRYING TO WORK ON, UM, WE, WE PUT A CHEMICAL CONTROLLER IN THERE LAST YEAR THAT'S RAN THROUGH WIFI.
WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH IT TO KIND OF SOMEHOW GET THAT CONNECTED TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, HOW MODERN TECHNOLOGY IS, YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING THROUGH YOUR PHONE.
NOW WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING CONNECTION ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO ONCE WE GET THAT UP, THAT MIGHT HELP.
IT SHOULD, SHOULD BE BALANCED.
WE'VE GOTTA GO THERE AT LEAST.
SO THINK SOMEBODY HAS TO BE THERE NO MATTER WHAT, TWO TIMES A DAY.
WE HAVE TO CHECK, WE HAVE TO CHECK WATER BALANCE TWICE DAY PHYSICALLY, NO MATTER WHAT RIGHT.
ON SITE PER SO, AND MY PEOPLE ARE THERE EVERY DAY CLEANING AND, YOU KNOW, WHATNOT.
SO IT WOULDN'T REALLY AFFECT THE, THE, THE MAINTENANCE OVERALL.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT DOES SOUND LIKE IT WOULD BE PRETTY VALUABLE TO, UH, TO BE LINKED UP TO WIFI AND, UM, THAT'S A PROBLEM DOWN THERE.
IT SEEMS LIKE A, THAT'D BE A MINOR INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY TO TAKE CARE OF, TO GET YOU LINKED UP, UM, ON AND OFF SUBJECT.
ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW WITH IRRIGATION SYSTEMS? YEAH, I THOUGHT SO.
PREVIOUSLY COUNSEL HAD BROUGHT UP, AND WE DISCUSSED, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS FULL C OR NOT, BUT WE DISCUSSED THE OPTION OF RUNNING FRESH WATER, UM, THROUGH THE SPLASH PAD AS OPPOSED TO USING A FILTRATION SYSTEM.
UM, CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? YEAH, YEAH.
SO, UH, MIKE AND I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ON THAT, UM, FOR A BRAND NEW SPLASH PAD THAT IS NON, UH, WHICH WE'LL JUST SAY IT'S PUMP AND DUMP.
SO YOU BRING THE WATER IN AND YOU DUMP AND IT'S OUT, GOES OUT.
UM, MOST FEATURES YOU BE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE AROUND 52 TO 53 GALLONS PER MINUTE THAT WOULD BE DUMPED BY THE END OF THE SEASON.
THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE OVER 2.5 TO 2.8 MILLION OF 2.8 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER THAT, THAT THE CITY WOULD DUMP WITHOUT DOING RECIRCULATION.
THAT'S, THAT'S ROUGH NUMBERS BECAUSE WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THE FEATURES ARE.
BUT SOME OF THE, THE SPLASH PADS THAT HAVE GONE TO THE PUMP AND DUMP STYLE, DEPENDING ON THE FEATURES THAT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SOMEWHERE LOOKING AROUND 52, 53, 54 GALLONS PER MINUTE BEING USED AND, AND SENT DOWNSTREAM RIGHT AFTER.
UM, IT DOESN'T GO INTO A SANITARY, IT GOES INTO THAT LITTLE CREEK, A PUMP STATION, NO PUMP STATION.
AND THEN IF IT WAS PUMPED UP, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE'D HAVE TO GO.
IT COULDN'T GO STRAIGHT INTO THE CREEK.
OH, BY THE E P STANDARDS, IT THEN, BEFORE IT GETS TO THE CREEK, IT WOULD'VE TO GO THROUGH A DIFFERENT FILTRATION SYSTEM TO GET INTO THE CREEK.
SO IT'S KIND OF, YOU'RE
WE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAD A, A TRUE SANITARY RUN IT RIGHT INTO YOU'D BE FINE.
BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WHERE OUR CEMETERY IS, LIKE THE RESTROOMS, WHEN THEY'RE USED, THERE'S A PUMP STATION IN THE BACK THAT GETS FULL, IT KIND OF GOES AND IT PUMPS IT BACK UP TOWARDS THE MAINTENANCE AREA RIGHT NORTH AND THEN IT GOES OUT TO A SANITARY.
SO IT'S OUR, THAT'S HOW IT WAS BUILT.
'CAUSE IT'S UNIQUE IN THAT LOCATION WHERE IT WAS AND WHERE WE, WHERE WE RELOCATED AT THAT TIME.
I REMEMBER, SO AS PART, UM, OF KIND OF THIS PRESENTATION OR PART OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD, UH, KINDA REGARDING ALL THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND STUFF, I KNOW MARK, YOU HAD ASKED TO SEE IF WE COULD PREPARE SOME INFORMATION ON, ON KIND OF WHAT OUR MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE ON CLOUD PARK AS WELL.
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I JUST WANTED TO SEE FOR A COMPARISON STANDPOINT, WHEN WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL PARK SYSTEM WE HAVE AND WHAT WE SPEND ON MAINTENANCE FOR ALL THESE THINGS COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER.I MEAN, I I THINK IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.
'CAUSE I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT RELATIVELY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE SPEND ON CLOUD PARK TO KEEP THE MAINTENANCE ON THAT VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SPEND ON, UM, OTHER PARKS AS OPPOSED TO THE SPLASH PAD.
SO I, I KNOW WE HAD ASKED FOR THAT.
SO IS THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE? DO WE HAVE SOME OF THAT TOGETHER FOR, TO, TO BRING UP DURING THIS DISCUSSION? SO THAT'S WHAT YOU PROVIDED ME, CORRECT, JIM? YEAH.
SO THE ESTIMATE WE HAVE FOR THE ANNUAL COST TO MAINTAIN TOWN, TOM CLOUD PARK IS $502,261.
THAT REPRESENTS 45% OF THE, THE PARK'S BUDGET.
SO ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO MAINTAIN CLOUD PARK.
SO ANNUAL MAINTENANCE OF THE SPLASH PAD IS ABOUT 30 TO 40.
SO SOMEWHERE AROUND HALF, $450,000 A YEAR FOR THE REST OF CLOUD PARK.
AND RIGHT NOW OUR PARTS BUDGET'S ALL BEING SUBSIDIZED OR BEING SUBSIDIZED HEAVILY BY ROSE PROFITS.
I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, AND MAYBE WE KNOW THE ANSWER AND YOU CAN GET IT TO ME LATER.
WHAT ARE, CAN WE BREAK DOWN THE COST OF, WE HAVE TO PURCHASE THE WATER AND SEWAGE OF THE WATER AND THE COST OF CHEMICALS? IF WE COULD HAVE THAT GOING BACK TO 2010? 'CAUSE I DO THINK THAT PLAYS A PIECE INTO WHETHER OR NOT THE WATER WOULD RECIRCULATE OR DO WE GO THE PUMP AND DUMP ROUTE, WHATEVER'S LIKE, I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR THOSE CONTRASTED NUMBERS AND I DON'T NEED 'EM TONIGHT, BUT SOMETIME AS PART OF THE INFORMATION WE'RE GONNA GET, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.
DOES IT SEEM FEASIBLE AS WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THIS TO DUMP TWO AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS A YEAR INTO THE CREEK THROUGH A PUMP STATION INTO THE CREEK? I MEAN, IS THAT EVEN A VIABLE OPTION? IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT OR, OR IS RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU GUYS GOING, THAT'S JUST A HORRIBLE IDEA? SO WHEN WE HAD, UM, ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED THE ISSUE OF, UM, DISCHARGING THE WATER DIRECTLY, UH, INTO THE CREEK, UH, WE LOOKED AT PROVIDING FOR A RETENTION DETENTION FACILITY TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE SPLASH PAD AS A WAY TO MODERATE THE FLOW OF THAT WATER INTO THE CREEK WITHOUT DAMAGING, UH, THAT ENVIRONMENT AND ALSO PROVIDING A FILTRATION, UM, UH, AS A, AS A MEANS OF ALSO PROVIDING FILTRATION.
THAT, THAT, MIKE HAD ALSO TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, UM, FILTER THAT WATER, UH, ONE LAST TIME BEFORE WE MAKE THAT DISCHARGE.
SO WE HAVE THE OPTION, UH, WE HAVE THE LAND AVAILABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, I DON'T RECALL THAT THAT WAS CALCULATED.
UM, THAT PORTION WAS CALCULATED, THAT EXPENSE WAS CALCULATED INTO, UH, THE PRESENTATION NUMBERS YOU HEARD THIS EVENING.
BUT, UM, IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT'S RELATIVELY CHEAP TO DO THAT'S, THAT'S MOVE SOME DIRT.
SO, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT CREATING A RETENTION TO DETENTION FACILITY TO HELP, UM, MAKE A PUMP AND DUMP SYSTEM WORK EFFECTIVELY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE AN EGREGIOUS COST TO WHAT YOU'VE SEEN HERE, UH, TONIGHT AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO KNOW IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE TALKING, IF IT'S FEASIBLE TO, TO DUMP THAT KIND OF WATER.
I MEAN, I THINK BEFORE WE MAKE ANY KIND OF DECISION, WE ARE GONNA NEED TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS THE COST SAVINGS WITHOUT THE CHEMICALS AND ALL THE STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UH, IN RELATION TO THE COST OF, OF THE RETENTION BASIN, GETTING ALL THAT DONE SO WE HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS IN, IN FRONT OF US AND WHAT, WHAT MAKES SENSE AND WHAT DOESN'T.
AND THEN BE ABLE TO EXTRAPOLATE THAT OVER LONG TERM.
IF, IF IT'S A NEW SYSTEM, WHAT DOES THAT SAVE OVER ANOTHER 10 TO 12, 13 YEARS OF, UH, OF RUNNING A SPLASH PAD.
ANOTHER WILD IDEA I HAVE, HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE TO COLLECT THE WATER AND THEN WE'D WATER TOM CLOUDS, SO THE GRASSES WOULD BE GREEN.
WOULD IT, IT, WOULD IT BE, MY QUESTION IS WOULD IT BE ANY CHEAPER TO TILE IT? SO IT WENT TO TILE, THE SOCCER FIELDS AND THE BASEBALL DIAMONDS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YES, MARK.
UM, I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO PONDER CHALLENGING STAFF TO LOOK AT SOME EFFORTS THAT WE WOULD EMPLOY IN THE PAST.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS.
UH, WE USED TO GARNER AT LEAST HALF OF THE COST BY SELLING SPONSORSHIPS AT THE ROSE, EXCUSE ME, SPONSORSHIPS AT THOMAS CLOUD.
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WIDEN THAT RESEARCH TO INCLUDE MAYBE A NAMING SPONSOR FOR THOMAS CLOUD AND ANY OTHER TYPE OF, UH, CONTRIBUTIONS THAT COULD BE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE.WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF PARTNERS, MIMI BEING ONE THAT, UH, DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB SELLING SPONSORSHIPS.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD PLEASE EXPLORE THAT AND TRY TO OFFSET SOME OF THE COST.
MIKE, IS THE THOMAS CLOUD GROUNDS CONTRACTED OUT THE MAINTENANCE? NO.
OR DOES THE CITY STREETS DIVISION DO THAT? YES.
AND, AND I WOULD TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND MAYBE EXPLORE CONTRACTING IT OUT AND COMPARING IT TO MAYBE THE HOURS THAT WE COULD SPEND CURB TO CURB WITH THE STREETS DIVISION AND SEE IF WE COULD, AS RICHARD LIKES TO SAY, GET A BANG FOR A BUCK AND, AND MAYBE JUST TRY TO LOOK AT THIS FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES TO OFFSET COST.
SO IF WE COULD CONTRACT OUT THE MOWING, BUT THEN REDUCE OUR PAYMENT PAVEMENT COST BY DOING MORE OF THAT IN-HOUSE, I THINK, MIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE REPUTATION THAT YOU'VE GARNERED SINCE TAKING OVER THE STREETS DIVISION.
WE DO A LOT MORE OF OUR OWN CONCRETE WORK AND, AND A LOT MORE HANDS-ON STUFF THAT WE USED TO FARM OUT, UH, JUST ANY DIFFERENT WAY WE COULD TO MAYBE HELP REDUCE COST AND BE ABLE TO SPEND MAYBE SOME OF THE PROFITS FROM THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WOULD BE MORE PRODUCTIVE.
YES, DON, UH, JUST ONE FOLLOW UP, MIKE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, 500, 2000 AT CLOUD PARK FOR MAINTENANCE, WOULD I BE WRONG IN ASSUMING THAT MOST OF THAT IS MOWING IS, A LOT OF IT IS.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOWN THERE DOING EVERYTHING AND JUST, IT'S A BIG PARK.
IT'S, YEAH, LOTS, LOT, LOT TO DO THERE.
LOT WITH, UM, TENNIS COURTS, LOT, A LOT, LOT OF THE FIELDS, UM, MOWING WITH THOSE AND, UM, PARK SHELTER, MAINTENANCE, TRASH.
I MEAN, WE COULD SPEND, I, I USED TO KNOW THE MAIN HOURS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AS FAR AS WHAT MAIN HOURS WAS SPENT THERE IN TRASH.
I'D HAVE TO GET THAT BACK IN MY HEAD, BUT YEAH, IT'S A LOT OF TIME.
YEAH, THAT WAS JUST KIND OF A FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL'S, UM, COMMENT.
AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO, UM, SUBCONTRACT AT A LOWER RATE AND, UH, LET YOU FOCUS ON WHAT YOU DO BEST.
THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME TOO, SO THANK YOU, SIR.
SO BASICALLY, MOST OF OUR MAINTENANCE COSTS AT CLOUD PARK ARE REALLY ALL MAN HOURS, RIGHT? I MEAN, OTHER THAN BASICALLY EQUIPMENT REPAIR HERE AND THERE KIND OF THING, BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH HALF A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF MAN HOURS OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
IN PEAK SEASON WE SPEND NEARLY HALF OF OUR MAN HOURS THERE.
UH, AND, AND LINDA, THE RECENT CONVERSATION, UH, AND TRY NOT TO REINVENT THE WHEEL, IF MEMORY SERVES CORRECT.
AROUND OCTOBER OF 2018, WE HAD THE SAME KIND OF KIND OF CONVERSATION WHERE WE WERE, UM, WORKING WITH PARTNERSHIP, UH, WITH, UH, CENTENNIAL PARK, UH, WHERE A LOT OF THEIR, I MEAN, EVERYTHING FROM THEIR TRASH CANS ARE SPONSORED.
UM, AND, UH, THAT REALLY BROUGHT UP THE DISCUSSION OF, UH, MULTI-YEAR LEASE, UM, CONCEPTS WITH, UH, BASEBALL, SOCCER, AND A LOT OF THE OTHER ENTITIES THAT WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE MAJORITY OF THAT CONVERSATION FELL ON DEAF EARS.
UM, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THAT RESEARCH IS STILL AVAILABLE THAT STAFF CAN BE ABLE TO EMPLOY.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK IT WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTED TO KNOW FROM AN ECONOMIC, UM, DEVELOPMENT SIDE, UM, WHAT DOES THE ACTIVITIES AT CLOUD PARK, UH, DO FOR THE ECONOMICS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW TOO.
UM, WHEN WE HAVE A LOT OF LARGE EVENTS DOWN THERE, WHAT DOES IT DO FOR OUR BUSINESSES? WHAT DOES IT DO FOR OUR HOTELS? WHAT DOES IT DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY? I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT ALL THE NUMBERS, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THE NUMBERS.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, USING CENTENNIAL PARK AS A GUIDE WHERE EVERYTHING FROM THEIR SHELTERS TO THEIR TRASH CANS ARE, ARE NAME SPONSORED, UM, THEY HAVE, UM, NON-PROFIT GROUPS THAT GO DOWN THERE AND, UM, ALMOST, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CERTAIN PART OF THE PARK THAT IS DEDICATED TO THEM THAT THEY, THEY CLEAN UP AND, AND REHABILITATE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO, UM, I I, LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO SAY IT WAS OCTOBER OF 2018, IF MEMORY SERVES CORRECT, THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT PLAN DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE, BUT IT'D BE NICE IF THAT GOT DUSTED BACK OFF AND REVAMPED.
IF THAT'S AVAILABLE, CERTAINLY USE IT.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.
[ Fishburg Road Widening Project - Award Contract]
D, WHICH IS THE FISHBURG[00:30:01]
ROAD WIDENING PROJECT AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.UH, THIS LEGISLATION WILL AUTHORIZE THE AWARD AND ENTER A CONTRACT WITH DOUBLE J CONSTRUCTION FOR THE FISHBURG ROAD WIDENING PROJECT.
UH, THIS WORK INCLUDES WIDENING FISHBURG ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD TO, UH, MAKE THE ROAD THREE LANES WIDE FROM OLD TROY PIKE TO TOMBERG STREET.
AND THERE WAS A AERIAL MAP IN YOUR PACKET.
UH, DOUBLE J CONSTRUCTION WAS THE LOWEST AND BEST BIDDER AT THE BID OPENING ON SEPTEMBER 8TH.
THERE WERE FOUR CONTRACTORS THAT SUBMITTED BIDS FOR THIS PROJECT, AND THE BID TABULATION IS ALSO IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, WE BID THIS PROJECT IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS ON THE BID SHEET.
UH, THE FIRST WAY WAS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT BY, WITH A DECEMBER 31ST DEADLINE, ONLY ONE COMPANY, WHICH WAS MAJORS CONSTRUCTION BID THAT OPTION, AND THEIR BID CAME IN AT A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.
UH, WE FELT THAT THIS, UH, BID OPTION WAS A LITTLE TOO HIGH TO CONSIDER CONSIDERING THE SECOND OPTION, UH, WHICH WAS TO START THE PROJECT IN EARLY MARCH OF NEXT YEAR AND COMPLETE THE PROJECT BY JUNE 30TH.
UH, AS I STATED, DOUBLE J CONSTRUCTION WAS A LOW BIDDER OF THE FOUR, AND THEY SUBMITTED A BID OF $644,728.
UM, THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE ON THIS WAS 700,000.
AND, UM, WE ARE ASKING FOR A NOT TO EXCEED OF THIS AMOUNT, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT AT 720,000, WHICH IS ABOUT, UH, 10 TO 12% ADDITIONAL FOR UNFORESEEN ISSUES.
UH, DOUBLE J CONSTRUCTION HAS PERFORMED PROJECTS IN THE CITY, NOT THE RECENT PAST, BUT IN THE PAST, UH, THEY'RE A PRETTY GOOD COMPANY.
UM, UH, FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT WILL COME FROM THE CITY'S CAPITAL ISSUE TWO FUND, AND 200,000 OF IT WILL BE FROM GRANT MONEY WE RECEIVED EARLIER THIS YEAR FROM THE OHIO PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION.
ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS, ROSS.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO, UH, OUR COUNCIL MEETING? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE IT ON.
[ Water Infrastructure Update]
E, WHICH IS A WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.UM, ON THE, UH, WE, I THINK WE SUBMITTED, UH, THE UPDATE TO YOU IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, THE CHANGES ON THAT, UM, FOR THE, WE ARE FINISHED WITH THE 2022 PROGRAM.
NOW WE'RE JUST WAITING TO REPAVE THE ROADS IN THAT PROGRAM.
UH, STARTING NEXT MONTH, EXCUSE ME, ON THE 2023 WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
UH, WE HAD TWO CONTRACTORS, IT'S M AND T EXCAVATING, WHICH DID THE FIR THIS PAST YEARS.
AND THEN CG CONSTRUCTION, UH, WE SEPARATED INTO EACH ONE GETTING I THINK FOUR ROADS ON THAT PROJECT.
AND, UM, THE PIPE, MOST OF IT IS, HAS, UM, ARRIVED AND IT'S A DOWN AT THE WATER PLANT.
UH, WE STILL WAITING ON A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH.
UM, M AND T EXCAVATING WOULD LIKE TO START ON TOMBERG.
ORIGINALLY, WE HAD SAID TO TEWKSBURY, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, BUT UH, THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA GET TWO CREWS OUT AND THEY'D LIKE TO DO A LONGER STREET AND GET IT DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, AND THAT WOULD BE TOMBERG.
UH, SO THAT'S STARTING NEXT WEEK IS WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO START.
AND THEN ALSO ON THIS SHEET, UH, COMPLETION IS STILL NEXT YEAR ABOUT THIS TIME TO GET ALL OF THIS COMPLETED.
UH, CG CONSTRUCTION WANTS TO START AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, ROUGHLY IN JANUARY IF THEY CAN.
DID I SEE AN EMAIL FROM YOU THAT TALKED ABOUT THE ORDERING OF THE PIPE IS KIND OF BACK TO NORMAL IN TERMS OF YES, IT'S FOR REGULAR PIPE, FOR EVEN FOR, I'M SORRY, FOR CLAY, UH, FOR, UH, UH, ZINC COATED PIPE.
IT, BOTH OF 'EM ARE COMING IN LIKE SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS AT THIS POINT.
SO WE'RE BACK TO NORMAL AND THERE'S REALLY NO REASON THAT IN FUTURE TO, UH, PROBABLY PRE-ORDER ORDER.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR US? YES, RICHARD.
UH, I THINK AT A, UM, A PREVIOUS MEETING WE ASKED FOR AN UPDATE ON THE, UH, ENGINEERING STATUS ON FUTURE, UM, UH, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO GET AN IDEA OF WHERE WE STAND.
ARE WE AHEAD? ARE WE BEHIND? UM, AND, UH, IF NONE OF THOSE ARE ABLE TO ANSWERED, UH, HOW CAN WE GET AHEAD? OKAY.
SO I DO REMEMBER, I MEAN, WHEN WE PASSED THE LEGISLATION FOR, FOR THE MONEY, PART OF THAT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE AHEAD OF THE GAME FOR ENGINEERING AND ALL THAT STUFF.
UM, DO, DO WE HAVE THAT ON THAT? WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A TIMELINE ON THAT.
I'LL TRY TO GET IT OUT TO YOU IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS.
IT SHOWS THAT THIS PROJECT IS GONNA GO TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR NEXT YEAR, AND WE'LL BE STARTING THE NEXT PROJECT AT THE MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR WITH DESIGN.
SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO START THAT ONE AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR WHEN THIS ONE'S COMPLETED.
BUT THE TIMELINE WILL SHOW THAT.
SO THE TIMELINE WILL SHOW THAT WE'RE AHEAD.
YEAH, WE'RE, I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S CALLED ON SCHEDULE.
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OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? I, I'M, I WOULD ALWAYS LIKE TO SEE HOW WE CAN DO THINGS MORE EFFICIENT AND, UH, AND A LITTLE BIT FASTER.SO, UH, WITHOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING AGAINST THE QUALITY, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN, UM, PUT MORE OF THOSE PROJECTS IN THE ENGINEERING BIN.
UM, AND I BELIEVE, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO SITTING UP HERE, UM, WE HAD MULTIPLE, UM, PROJECTS THAT WERE ALREADY ENGINEERED.
WE JUST NEEDED THEM TO BE FUNDED.
UM, SO HOW DO WE GET BACK TO THAT POINT WHERE WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROJECTS, UM, AND ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY ENGINEERED BUT READY TO GO.
AND MAYOR, I, I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, A HALF OR SO AGO, WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
SO, WELL, I REMEMBER PART OF IT WAS MAKING SURE WE, WE WENT FROM A 12 MONTH TO AN 18 MONTH PROJECT CYCLE.
RIGHT? JUST BECAUSE WE FELT IT WAS TAKING LONGER TO DO THAT, AND IT WOULD MAKE IT LESS CONFUSING FOR THE PUBLIC ON WHEN A START AND A FINISH DATE WAS TO INCLUDE IT IN THAT CYCLE THAT WAS BEING BUDGETED FOR RATHER THAN OVERLAPPING ON ANNUAL PROJECTS THAT WERE DONE AND HAVING MONEY FROM ONE MOVE TO THE NEXT.
I MEAN, THAT WAS, I THINK THAT CONFUSED A, A LOT OF PEOPLE ON, ON WHEN A PROJECT WAS STARTING, WHEN IT WAS GETTING COMPLETED.
THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WE WENT TO 18 MONTH CYCLES.
I, IF THAT'S KINDA WHAT I REMEMBER.
I WAS, WHEN I OPENED UP THIS ITEM, I CAUGHT THE, UH, THE BRAKE REPORT AND IT LOOKED LIKE IT'S TRENDING WONDERFULLY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, DO YOU SEE IT CONTINUING THAT WAY? OR IS IT KIND OF LEVELING OUT AND WE'RE GONNA FIND A NORMALCY NOW OR? I'D LIKE TO THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LOWERED BACK DOWN.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S WAY, IT'S ABOUT HALF IS WHAT WE EVEN NORMALLY HAD A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
SO, UH, I THINK WE HAVE REDUCING DOWN TO MAYBE 40 IS WHAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR IS ONLY, UH, WE ONLY HAVE 25 THIS YEAR.
SO IF WE HAVE, LIKE, WE USED TO HAVE ABOUT 50 TO 60 PER YEAR BACK BEFORE WE SOFTENED.
AND, UH, I THINK WE'LL GET A FEW MORE NEXT YEAR THAN THIS, BUT, UH, I THINK WE'LL BE AT OR BELOW WHAT WE USED TO BE.
AND I THINK THIS, WHAT WE'RE REPAIRING RIGHT NOW IS WHERE THE MAJOR PROBLEMS WERE, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S SO LOW.
LIKE I SAID, I LOVE THE WAY IT'S TRENDING.
UH, I THINK OUR FOCUS SHOULD JUST BE TO CONTINUE, UH, ON THOSE FOCUS AREAS WHERE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE ISSUES.
I'D LIKE TO DO THAT FOR ANOTHER PROGRAM OR TWO AND THEN START LOOKING AT THE WATER STUDY SO WE CAN START DOING, UH, CRITICAL AREAS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? OKAY, NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM THREE F,
[ City Code Amendments - Code Enforcement * Part Five - Planning And Zoning Code - Chapter 521 - Health, Safety And Sanitation - Section 521.11 - Nuisance Trees]
WHICH IS THE CITY CODE AMENDMENTS CODE ENFORCEMENT, THE PART FIVE AND PART 13.PART FIVE IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING CODE, CHAPTER 5 21 FOR HEALTH, SAFETY AND SANITATION SECTION 5 21 POINT 11 NUISANCE TREES.
SO, DON, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE, UNLESS WE'RE, UH,
SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, HAPPY TO BE HERE.
SO REGARDING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO CODE, UM, HEALTH SAVINGS, SANITATION IS, UH, SIMPLY A CHANGE IN SOME VERBIAGE TO GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY IN GETTING SOME SOLVE PROBLEM SOLVED QUICKER.
IN THAT SECTION OF CODE, ALL OF THE ISRAELI ARE FOR THE SAME PURPOSE.
I THINK THE ONE THAT, THAT I'D LIKE TO CONCENTRATE ON, IF IT MAY, IS LEGISLATION THAT WOULD FOR THE FIRST TIME GIVE THE CITY THE LEGAL RIGHT TO REMOVE VEHICLES FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY BY TELLING THEM OFF THE PROPERTY.
I'LL GIVE YOU A BRIEF TIMELINE OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN PLACE AND WHAT WE HOPE WILL BE THE CURRENT.
SO A CURRENT TIMELINE TO GO FROM WHAT WE'LL CALL DAY ZERO WHEN WE FIRST BECOME AWARE OF THE VIOLATION THROUGH OUR REQUIRED TIMELINE FOR EVERYONE TO GET THEIR DUE COURSE TO GET TO COURT, WHICH IS OUR FINAL STEP.
IF SOMEONE WILL NOT COMPLY WITH US 40 TO 45 DAYS TO GET AN ARRAIGNMENT FROM DAY ZERO ABOUT THREE TO FOUR WEEKS, HENCE BEFORE THE PERSON ACTUALLY HAS TO APPEAR, IF THEY PLEAD GUILTY, THEY RECEIVE A SMALL FINE PLAY COSTS ON YOUR WAY.
NEXT, NO REQUIREMENT FROM THE COURT TO REMOVE THE VEHICLE.
I CALL THAT OUR CATCH 22 SITUATION.
IF I MAY, THE GOAL WITH THE NEW CODE IS EVERYONE GETS THE DUE PROCESS.
OBVIOUSLY, WHAT WE WILL DO AT THE END OF THE DUE PROCESS, RATHER THAN A FILING IN COURT, IS WE WILL SERVE THE PROPERTY OWNER, PHYSICALLY SERVE THEM, OR A MEMBER OF THE HOUSEHOLD 18 YEARS OF AGE OR GREATER WITH A NOTICE THAT WE INTEND TO REMOVE VEHICLES FROM THEIR PROPERTY.
NOW THEY HAVE RIGHTS OF APPEAL, WHICH
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WE WOULD CERTAINLY TAKE THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS IF WE WOULD BE UNABLE TO HAND THEM.AND THEN POST THAT ON THE PROPERTY, WE THEN HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT, IT WOULD BE THE DAILY COURT REPORTER EVERY WEEK FOR SIX WEEKS, THEN MOVE FORWARD.
THEY STILL HAVE, AND WE HAVE TO GET THIS BEFORE THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE BOARD TO ASK THEM FOR THEIR BLESSING.
THEY'LL DECLARE THE PROPERTY A NUISANCE, ORDER US TO HAVE IT ABATED.
WE THEN HAVE TO WAIT 30 DAYS BEYOND THAT POINT FOR A RIGHT OF APPEAL AT THE LAST MINUTE.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT RATHER THAN BEING IN THIS CIRCLE OF DESPAIR WHERE WE NEVER GET VEHICLES REMOVED, LET ME ROLL THAT BACK.
THE MAJORITY OF OUR VIOLATIONS, THEY BECOME COMPLIANT.
BUT WE HAVE A FEW THAT WILL NOT, CANNOT, SOME THAT ARE VACANT PROPERTIES.
WE WANNA GET RID OF THOSE VEHICLES, WE WANT 'EM OUTTA HERE.
UM, SO BY THIS LEGISLATION GIVING US THAT END GAME, EVEN THOUGH THE TIMELINE COULD BE A LITTLE GREATER, BUT WITH THE CURRENT TIMELINE, THERE'S NO RESOLUTION UNLESS IT'S VOLUNTARY.
THIS GIVES THE CITY THE ABILITY TO HAVE THESE VEHICLES REMOVED BY THE CITY OF CONTRACT TILLER.
AND IT SOLVES THE PROBLEM IN MY, IN MY ESTIMATION.
SO DON, YOU MENTIONED, SO LIKE SIX WEEKS IN THE DAILY COURT REPORTER.
AND THAT IS, IF WE, IF WE CANNOT PHYSICALLY HAND THE NOTICE TO THE RESIDENT OR OWNER OF THE VEHICLES, SO WHAT'S WHAT, SO WHAT WOULD THE TIMEFRAME BE? HOW LONG DO YOU DETERMINE THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO PHYSICALLY, BECAUSE MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE ONCE IT GOES TO THE DAILY COURT REPORTER, HAVE WE STOPPED TRYING TO SERVE THEM THAT NOTICE PHYSICALLY? THAT IS OUR, THAT BECOMES OUR NOTICE.
SO AT THAT POINT WE'VE STOPPED TRYING TO GO TO THE HOUSE AND HAND THAT OFF.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE THEN HAVE TO, ACCORDING TO THE EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED FROM LEGAL STAFF, WHICH CAME IN, UH, AT THE END OF LAST WEEK, WE ARE COMPELLED TO ADVERTISE THAT EVERY WEEK FOR SIX WEEKS.
HOW LONG, HOW LONG DO WE TRY TO DELIVER THE PHYSICAL NOTICE BEFORE WE MAKE THE DECISION TO ADVERTISE IN THE, IN THE COURT? WE WOULD TAKE THEM, EXCUSE ME.
WE WOULD TAKE 'EM THROUGH OUR NORMAL COURSE OF VIOLATION LETTERS, A WARNING NOTICE, A VIOLATION NOTICE, A 24 HOUR NOTICE.
AT THAT POINT, RATHER THAN FILING IN COURT, WE WILL THEN GO TO THE PROPERTY WITH A NOTICE TO PUT IT IN SOMEONE'S HAND.
UM, AND IF WE'RE UNABLE TO DO SO, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, UNLESS LEGAL STAFF FEELS WE NEED TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME, WE'RE AT A POINT THEN WHERE WE DO OUR, OUR ADVERTISING FOR THE SIX WEEKS AND THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE BOARD OF REVIEW TO FIND THE PROPERTY A NUISANCE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH YOU REMOVAL.
SO LOOK, I MEAN, I, I MEAN, FROM A NUISANCE PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF YOU GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF EMAILS THAT I GET, BUT ONE OF THE LARGEST COMPLAINTS THAT I GET IS PEOPLE EMAILING ME THAT THEIR NEIGHBOR'S GOT A CAR THAT'S ON THE ROAD.
THEY HAVEN'T MOVED IN X AMOUNT OF TIME.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT CARS ON BLOCKS SITTING IN THE FRONT OR BACKYARD, OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT CARS ON THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CARS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY ONLY.
I HAVE NO JURISDICTION IN THE STREET THAT IS A POLICE MATTER.
UM, BUT WHEN IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S ON BLOCKS OR JUST UNLICENSED OR HAS FLAT TIRES THAT THEY WILL COMPLY OR THE EXCEPTIONAL CASES ARE, THERE'S A CA THERE'S A HOUSE DOWN HERE ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT, PROBABLY HAVE EIGHT TO 10 UNLICENSED INOP VEHICLES IN THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH WERE INHERITED FROM A PARENT.
IN FACT, WE HAD THAT PROPERTY OWNER FILED IN COURT.
THE RESIDENT HE DIDN'T SHOW UP TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WAS AN ACTIVE WARRANT OUT FOR HIS ARREST.
MY GUESS IS IF WE TAKE IT TO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE BOARD, HE'S NOT GOING TO SHOW UP AT THAT MEETING TO, TO ASK HIM FOR MORE TIME BECAUSE THE ACT OF THE WARRANT'S STILL ACTIVE.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVE ISSUES WITH SOME PROPERTIES IN MIAMI VILLAGE WHERE THERE ARE VEHICLES THAT HAVE LITERALLY BEEN SITTING THERE FOR YEARS, AND WE WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN REMOVE THOSE VEHICLES AND GET RID OF THEM.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT DOES, BUT THAT THIS WOULD NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING IN THE STREET.
THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS, CLAY.
UM, DON, THIS WAS ANOTHER PIECE I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO READ, READ THROUGH.
IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, NOT ONLY DID WE ADD SOME TEETH TO THIS, UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE KIND OF EXPANDED SOME THINGS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YARDS FULL OF, LET'S SAY, UH, I'M GONNA BE NICE AND CALL IT
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WELL WORN LAWN EQUIPMENT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.UH, THIS, THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION WILL ALLOW REMOVAL OF, OF PRIVATE PROPERTY, WHETHER THAT'S A VEHICLE, A BROKEN DOWN LAWNMOWER, ET CETERA.
THERE'S ALSO SOME CHANGES TO THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AND USE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PUTS MORE TEETH IN IT THAT, UM, WAS NOT INCORPORATED WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN.
AND THE EXPERIENCE WE'VE HAD WITH IT, WE'VE FOUND SOME AREAS WHERE WE THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE STRENGTH TO MAKE THESE PROPERTIES COMPLIANT.
WELL, I I REALLY TRULY APPRECIATE THAT.
PROBABLY THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS WE GET ARE, UH, OR MOST COMMON I WOULD SAY IS PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT NEIGHBORS JUNK AND THINGS PILED UP.
YOU KNOW, I COULD, I COULD TAKE YOU STRAIGHT TO A FEW PLACES THAT YOU COULD EASILY TAKE A DUMP TRUCK IN AND CLEAR THE YARD OUT.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA SAY I TRULY APPRECIATE THIS.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU AND THE BOARD HAVE DONE HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, ON PART FIVE? YES, KATE.
HEY, DONNA, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO, IF THE CAR'S TOWED AWAY, ARE YOU GONNA ROTATE THE TOWING COMPANIES EVERY TIME OR THEY CAN GET ON A LIST? OR ARE WE JUST GONNA HAVE ONE PRIVATE CONTRACTOR? WELL, WE WILL, WE WILL, UH, PARTNER WITH THE CITY'S CONTRACTOR.
THAT'S HOLLIS ISN'T A CHIEF HOLLIS TOWING.
TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, WE ALREADY HAVE A, THE CITY ALREADY HAS A CONTRACT WITH THEM.
I JUST, IT WASN'T COVERED, SO I WANTED TO KNOW.
AND DON, JUST SO I HEARD YOU RIGHT, MOST OF THE TIME PEOPLE COMPLY WITH THE, YOUR INITIAL CONTACT WITH THEM.
SO WE'RE DEALING WITH THE WORST CASES HERE WITH THIS STUFF.
WE ARE DEALING WITH WHAT WE MIGHT CALL REPEAT OFFENDERS THAT WE GO AFTER.
AND, UM, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU GO AFTER 'EM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A VACANT PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE WHO SAYS, I CAN'T FIND TITLES TO ANY OF THESE VEHICLES.
CAUSE SO AND SO LEFT THEM TO ME AND JUST LEFT THEM IN THE DRIVEWAY, THAT TYPE OF THING, I'M GONNA HELP YOU OUT WITH THAT
WELL, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TOO.
AND, AND DON THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THINGS GET SPUN SOMETIMES.
SO THE LAST THING WE WANT OUR RESIDENTS TO THINK IS THAT WE HAVE A ZONING DEPARTMENT GONE ROGUE, AND JUST BECAUSE THEY GOT A A CAR SET IN THEIR DRIVEWAY, WE'RE GONNA COME AND TOW IT TOMORROW.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT ALL WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
THIS IS THE FEW PEOPLE WHO AREN'T COMPLYING WITH WHAT THE CODE IS, AND WE'VE MADE REPETITIVE ATTEMPTS AND STILL NO COMPLIANCE.
AND THIS IS TECHNICALLY THE LAST RESORT.
WE HAVE SOME, UH, FOR INSTANCE, OUT OF STATE OWNERS, AND WHEN I SAY OUT OF STATE, I MEAN JOE'S MORTGAGE COMPANY IN BUTTE, MONTANA.
YOU ARE NOT GONNA TAKE THEM TO COURT.
THEY DON'T CARE WHO'S LIVING IN THEIR HOUSE AS LONG AS THEY'RE GETTING RENT.
NOW, THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THE BACKYARD'S A JUNKYARD.
AND WE NEED A SITUATION THAT WE CAN GO IN AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE DONE WITH YOU.
WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU YOUR DUE PROCESS, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S AN END GAME HERE.
NANCY, THAT BRINGS, THAT BRINGS UP A QUESTION.
I THOUGHT WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO GO IN THE BACKYARDS.
ONCE WE HAVE SERVED INITIAL NOTICE OF A VIOLATION TO SOMEONE, WE HAVE THE LEGAL TO ENTER ONTO THE PROPERTY.
WE, WE ALWAYS HAVE, THERE'S A COMMON MISCONCEPTION WE OBSERVE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE INITIAL INVESTIGATION MM-HMM.
BUT ONCE WE'VE FOUND A VIOLATION OR THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR A VIOLATION, WE MAKE NOTICE TO THEM VIA THEIR LETTER, WE THEN HAVE THE RIGHT OF REINSPECTION.
WELL, THAT'S GOOD, UH, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE CALLED ME HAVE SAID THEY GOT THEIR FRONT YARD CLEANED UP, BUT THEIR BACKYARD'S A DISASTER.
I I PROBABLY GET THOSE CALLS THREE OR FOUR TIMES A WEEK.
UH, THEY DON'T THINK WE'LL LOOK IN THE BACKYARD.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS, UH, FIRST SECTION, PART PART? OKAY.
NEXT WILL BE PART 13, BUILDING CODE CHAPTER 1313, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE SECTION 1313 0.04 FOR MAINTENANCE STANDARDS.
SO IT IS A CONTINUATION OF THE SAME SECTION OF CODE.
THIS IS ALL THE NEW CODE FOR 13, 13 0 4.
SO THIS IS ALL PROPERTY, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS PART ABOUT THE, THE OVERHANGING TREES.
THAT'S IN HEALTH, SAFETY AND SANITATION.
MAYBE THEY'RE OUT OF ORDER HERE OR SOMETHING.
UM, ANYWAY, I'LL, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
WELL, IF WE'RE GONNA GET TO IT YET, I DON'T WANNA JUMP THE, THE GUY.
WELL, NO, THIS IS THE FIRST ONE WE TALKED ABOUT.
THE, THE WAY THEY WERE ON THE ORDER WAS THE NUISANCE TREES UHHUH
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I HADN'T READ PART 13 YET, BUT THAT'S WHAT WAS ADDRESSED.SO IF YOU DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE NUISANCE TREES, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO ASK THAT QUESTION.
UM, UNDER DEFINITIONS, UM, YOU'VE GOT, UM, DEFINED AS ANY TREE OR PORTION OF A TREE THAT DEEMED TO BE DISEASED, ET CETERA, OR HAZARD OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
BUT IT DOESN'T DISCUSS UNDER THE DEFINITION THE OVERHANGING TREES.
IS THERE SOME REASON THAT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED IN THERE? THE OVERHANGING OF TREES IS ALREADY INCORPORATED INTO THE CODE.
SO NO TREE OR PLANT MAY OVERHANG A PUBLIC SIDEWALK BY LESS THAN EIGHT FEET.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE EIGHT FEET OF HEAD CLEARANCE.
THAT'S IN ANOTHER SECTION OF CODE.
WHAT I WANT TO ACCOMPLISH IN THIS SECTION IS THAT MIKE HAS THE DUTY AND THE RIGHT AS THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICE TO REQUIRE REMOVAL OF A DEAD TREE OR A TREE OVERHANGING THE STREET.
THAT MIGHT BE ALREADY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SOME FOLKS HAVE TREES IN THE TREE.
WHAT WE'RE, WHAT I'M PROPOSING TO MAKE THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS A VERY MINOR AMENDMENT IS TO GIVE THE ZONING MANAGERS SAME AUTHORITY FOR TREES THAT ARE OVERHANGING FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY ONTO THE SIDEWALK THAT IMPEDE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
WHETHER IT'S FOLKS IN WHEELCHAIRS, KIDS ON BICYCLES, MOM PUSHING THE KID IN THE STROLLER.
RIGHT NOW, I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, WHICH IS A LONGER PROCESS.
5 21 IS HEALTH SAFETY AND SANITATION.
WE CAN PUT A, A, A MINUTE PERIOD OF TIME ON THAT.
IN FACT, WE CAN REQUIRE IT TO BE DONE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
I WOULD NOT TEND TO DO THAT, BUT AT THE END GAME IS AT THE END OF 21 DAYS, I HAVE, WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT THEN TO HAVE THAT VEGETATION REMOVED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, YES, MARK.
DON, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE INITIATIVE TO ADDRESS THESE ITEMS. YES, SIR.
UH, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE STAFF FIGURE OUT WAYS OF GETTING THINGS DONE.
AND I KNOW YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS, YOU AND YOUR STAFF, SO THANK YOU.
SO THESE WOULD BE, UH, SO WOULD, WOULD BOTH OF THESE BE IN THE SAME ORDINANCE OR WOULD THESE BE TWO SEPARATE? THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE ORDINANCE.
SO THESE, UH, IF WE MOVE THESE ON TO THE COUNCIL MEETING FOLLOWING TONIGHT AT SIX O'CLOCK, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST READING.
AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A, A SECOND READING, OBVIOUSLY AT THE NEXT MEETING IN OCTOBER.
SO ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THESE ORDINANCES ON TO OUR LATER MEETING? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THOSE ON.
[ Tax Rate Certification - Montgomery County]
THREE G, WHICH[ Tax Rate Certification - Miami County]
IS TAX RATE CERTIFICATION FOR MONTGOMERY COUNTY.AND THEN, UH, JIM, WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF H AS WELL FOR MIAMI COUNTY AND WE'LL JUST, YES, YES, IT'S THE SAME THING WE SEE EVERY YEAR, SO, YEP.
JUST KNOCK BOTH OF THESE OUT HERE AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, I DO BRING THESE BEFORE YOU EVERY YEAR, UM, UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
AND, UM, THIS IS, UH, PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS.
UM, WHAT, UH, WHAT HAPPENS IS MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND MIAMI COUNTY, UH, EACH SEND TO ME THEIR ESTIMATES AS TO WHAT THEY BELIEVE OUR CURRENT, UH, EXISTING PROPERTY TAX LEVIES WILL BRING IN, IN REVENUE.
AND WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A FORMAL APPROVAL OF THOSE, UM, UM, PUTTING THOSE LEVEES BACK ON, UH, PROPERTY TAX BILLS EACH YEAR.
AND, UM, THE MIAMI COUNTY ONE IS DUE, UM, BY THE END OF THIS WEEK.
UM, MONTGOMERY COUNTY IS DUE AT THE END OF, UH, OCTOBER.
SO I JUST THOUGHT IT'D BE, UH, UH, EFFICIENT TO BRING THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, AT THE SAME MEETING.
AND, UM, THE, UH, MONTGOMERY COUNTY PROPERTY TAX LEVIES BRING IN JUST A LITTLE OVER $3 MILLION, WHEREAS, UM, MIAMI COUNTY IS A LITTLE OVER $28,000.
UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, SMALLER PORTION OF THE CITY IS IN MIAMI COUNTY.
SO, UH, LES IS, UH, BROUGHT IN, BUT THESE NEED TO BE APPROVED.
SO IF IT CAN BE APPROVED LATER TONIGHT, IT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT, UH, IMMEDIATELY.
AND I'LL SUBMIT THOSE TO THE TWO COUNTY, UM, AUDITORS.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FOR JIM? OKAY.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON HERE TO, UH, TO OUR MEETING? OKAY, THANK YOU.
[ Heathermere II TIF]
I, WHICH IS THE HEATHER, ME TWO, UH, TIFF.THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE ME, MR. MAYOR.
UM, IF IT WOULD PLEASE THE COUNSEL, UH, I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION PREPARED FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT SINCE WE HAVE, UH, BOTH THE, UH, WORK SESSION TONIGHT AND THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER, I'D DEFER TO GIVE MY PRESENTATION, UH, AT THAT TIME DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU AND, AND COUNSEL, SIR.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE PRESENTATION DURING THE ACTUAL MEETING? OKAY.
[ Motorola Solutions - Network Services Agreement - Police Division]
MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS NETWORK SERVICES AGREEMENT THROUGH THE POLICE[00:55:01]
DIVISION.I'LL LET THE CHIEF HANDLE THIS.
UH, THIS IS, UH, RESOLUTION IS A, UH, RENEWAL OF A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT WITH MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS.
THEY, UH, ARE A SOLE SOURCE PROVIDER THAT PROVIDES A NETWORK SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE TO THE CONSOLES IN DISPATCH.
SOME OF THE THINGS THEY DO IS, UH, NETWORK EVENT MONITORING, REMOTE TECHNICAL SUPPORT, NETWORK HARDWARE REPAIR, REMOTE SECURITY UPDATE SERVICE, ONSITE INFRASTRUCTURE RESPONSE, ANNUAL PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE, NETWORK UPDATES, AND SECURITY MONITORING.
ANY QUESTIONS? NANCY? UM, CHIEF, WE BOUGHT THESE IN, OR THIS, THIS CONTRACT? NO, WE DID, WE BOUGHT THESE, UH, IN 2016.
WHAT'S THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF, OF THE, UH, CON THE UNITS? I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A LIFE EXPECTANCY HOW LONG? I MEAN, I COULD CHECK WITH MOTOR OIL SOLUTIONS AND SEE WHAT IF THEY HAVE A LIFE EXPECTANCY.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A, A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT BROKEN DOWN INTO FIVE SEPARATE YEARS, AND THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE EQUIPMENT UP, KEEP IT RUNNING, AND MONITOR ANY PROBLEMS THAT WOULD COME UP WITH IT.
UM, BUT AS I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU, I CAN CONTACT MOTOR OIL AND FIND OUT.
WELL, I GUESS MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, UM, THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGES SINCE 2016.
IS THERE MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEM THAT YOU GUYS WOULD, WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL IN, IN LOOKING AT INSTEAD OF, UH, RENEWING A CONTRACT FOR A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR SEVEN MORE YEARS ON THE SAME SYSTEMS? YEAH, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING I, I COULD DISCUSS WITH, UH, DEBORAH, UH, WIDELY THE, UH, THE MANAGER.
NOW, THIS CONTRACT BEGINS IN NOVEMBER, SO THIS RUNS NOVEMBER TO, UH, OCTOBER OF THE NEXT YEAR.
SO WE'RE OUT OF CONTRACT WITH MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS STARTING NOVEMBER ONE OF THIS YEAR.
THAT'S WHEN THE CONTRACT ENDS.
BUT THAT IS, THAT'S STILL NOT TO SAY THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT DOWN THE ROAD OR IN THE FUTURE AND LOOK INTO, THAT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE, UH, QUICKLY, AND IT'D HAVE TO BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO RESEARCH AND LOOK INTO.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO RENEW THIS FOR LESS THAN SEVEN YEARS? IT'S A FIVE YEAR, OR FIVE YEARS.
IS IT, BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, THE TECHNOLOGY WILL CHANGE OR HAS CHANGED AND, UM, UH, FIVE YEARS, WHAT IS WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING? I CAN SEE IF THEY, IF THEY CAN DO, UH, THREE, BUT, UH, FIVE YEARS, WHAT WE DID LAST TIME AND FIVE YEARS, WHAT THIS RENEWAL IS, IT'S A RENEWAL OF A CONTRACT.
SO BASICALLY EVERY YEAR OF THE RENEWAL, THEY'RE REPLACING THE OLDEST UNITS AFTER THE NO.
SO EVERY YEAR THAT, SO IF IT'S A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT EACH YEAR, THEY'RE RENEWING THE OLDEST.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT COMING IN EVERY FIVE YEARS AND SWAPPING OUT EVERYTHING YOU SAID, IT'S KIND OF A TIERED NO, THEY, NO, THEY DON'T SWAP ANYTHING.
AND WE HAVE TWO DISPATCHERS HERE RIGHT NOW THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON IT THAT I'M NOT SHUTTING ON HOW IT OPERATES OR HOW IT WORKS AND HOW EFFICIENT IT IS.
BUT, UM, BUT NO, THEY'RE NOT JUST SWAPPING THINGS OUT.
I MEAN, IF THEY FIND A PROBLEM AS PART OF THIS AGREEMENT, THIS MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, IF THEY, IF, IF, IF PART OF THEIR MONITORING OF THE CONSOLES, THEY DISCOVER A PROBLEM, THEN OF COURSE THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, FIX THAT.
IF IT MEANS REPLACING IT, REPLACE IT.
DO WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE RECORD ON IT? IS THERE A MAINTENANCE RECORD ON IT? YEAH, DO AND DO YOU KEEP RECORD OF HOW MANY TIMES OR? YEAH, WE KEEP RECORD OF WHENEVER THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH IT, I CAN, YEAH.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, WOULD HELP IN A, LIKE A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS LOOKING FORWARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE WE, IT'S NICE THAT WE'RE GOTTA MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, BUT IF WE'RE NOT GETTING $248,000 WORTH OF BENEFIT OVER FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, TO MAINTAIN A CURRENT SYSTEM.
I'LL HAVE A CON CONVERSATION WITH DEBORAH.
SEE IF I CAN ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
YEAH, DON, AND THANK YOU, CHIEF.
TO BE CLEAR, IF WE WERE TO REPLACE THE SYSTEM WITH A BRAND NEW ONE THIS YEAR, WE WOULD STILL BE LOOKING AT A CONTRACT LIKE THIS TO PROVIDE, UM, NETWORK SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? WELL, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT A CONTRACT FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF JUST THE NEW, THIS IS JUST A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
SO, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO START UP THE START UP COST TOO, WOULD BE, REGARDLESS OF, OF WHAT EQUIPMENT IS THERE.
THIS IS GONNA BE A, UM, WELL, EVERY FIVE YEARS WE'RE GONNA BE RENEWING A MAINTENANCE AND NETWORK SERVICE AGREEMENT, REGARDLESS OF, REGARDLESS RIGHT.
SO ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO, UM, TO THE MEETING FOR THE RENEWAL? OKAY.
[01:00:02]
NEXT IS ON[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount - Civica CMI - Police Division]
THREE K, THE INCREASE ON TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR CIVICA C M I AND THE POLICE DIVISION ALSO.SO WITH OUR NEW, UH, R M SS, UH, P ONE R M S, UH, SYSTEM, WE'VE HAD TO MOVE ALL THE DATA FROM C M I C M I OVER TO P ONE.
UM, THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN MORE DAUNTING THAN WHAT WE, UH, ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.
SO WE'VE HAD TO REQUEST THIS, UH, UM, REQUEST TO INCREASE THE, UH, THE MONEY SPENT TO GET THAT DONE.
SO WHAT IT IS, IS EACH MONTH THAT WE'RE TRANSFERRING ALL THE DATA FROM THE OLD SYSTEM TO THE NEW SYSTEM, WE HAVE TO PAY, UH, C M I IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GIVE US ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S OUR DATA THAT'S IN THEIR SYSTEM, WE HAVE TO PAY THEM TO ALLOW US ACCESS INTO THE SYSTEM TO PULL IT OUT.
UM, IT'S TAKEN A FEW EXTRA MONTHS, UH, THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATED.
UH, WE ARE FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT DONE BY THE END OF THIS MONTH, AND THAT WE WON'T HAVE TO EXTEND IT ANY FURTHER MONTHS THAT THE DATA CONVERSION WILL BE COMPLETE.
[ Disposal Of Surplus Vehicles]
L, DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS VEHICLES.AND THIS IS LEGISLATION WE DO FAIRLY OFTEN, AND WE'VE, UH, STARTED TO COMBINE, UH, CARS FROM DIFFERENT, UH, AREAS OF THE CITY, DIFFERENT, UH, SECTIONS WITHIN THE CITY INTO ONE LEGISLATION.
SO THERE, I THINK THERE'S ONE FIRE VEHICLE.
YEAH, ONE FIRE DIVISION VEHICLE ON THIS.
THE REST ARE POLICE, AND THESE ARE ALL VEHICLES THAT ARE, UH, NEEDING TO BE DISPOSED OF.
THERE'S A LIST HERE, UH, IN THE, UH, RESOLUTION LISTING ALL THE VEHICLES THAT WILL BE DISPOSED OF.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON? NEXT IS ITEM THREE M, WHICH IS BOARD
[ Board And Commission Appointments * Parks And Recreation Board - Appointment]
AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.SO WE HAVE, UH, ONE FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD.
UH, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER ANDY HILL, HAS, UM, APPLIED TO THE VACANCY WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD APPOINTMENT.
HE WAS THE ONLY APPLICANT, UM, HE WAS INTERVIEWED AND IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY'S INTERVIEW PANEL TO, UH, APPOINT MR. HILL TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD FOR TERM ENDING MARCH 31ST, 2026.
AND THE NECESSARY BACKGROUND CHECK HAS ALSO BEEN PROCESSED ON MR. DOLTON.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE APPOINTMENT OF MR. HILL? OKAY.
AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE, IN WHICH IS BOARD
[ Board And Commission Special Liaisons]
AND COMMISSION SPECIAL LIAISONS.SO, UM, WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE PACKET HERE IS A PROPOSED RESOLUTION TO AMEN.
PREVIOUS RESOLUTION THAT ADOPTED, UM, THE BOARD AND COMMISSION HANDBOOK FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
SPECIFICALLY, THIS REVISION WOULD ADOPT, UH, A SPECIAL SECTION, UH, DEFINING THE ROLE OF SPECIAL LIAISONS TO THE CITY'S BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
UM, AS MOST OF YOU'RE AWARE, UH, WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE WITH, UM, A MEMBER OF THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION WHO HAD, UH, PREVIOUSLY SERVED ON THAT COMMISSION, UM, MOVED OUT OF THE CITY AND WAS NO LONGER A RESIDENT, AND WISHED TO STAY INVOLVED IN A ROLE, UM, IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR COMMISSION.
UM, AFTER FURTHER LEGAL REVIEW OF THE ESTABLISHING LEGISLATION FOR THAT COMMISSION AND THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION, UH, THE LAW DIRECTOR HAD DECIDED THAT, UM, CERTAIN PROVISIONS THAT WERE WRITTEN AT THE TIME BY THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER IN THAT LEGISLATION, UH, THAT ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF EX-OFFICIO MEMBERS, UM, WERE LEGALLY UNENFORCEABLE AND NULL AND VOID, UH, FROM THE FACT THAT A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION CANNOT ALSO BE A RESIDENT BECAUSE, UH, THE CHARTER, THE CITY CHARTER, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, OUTLINES THAT A MEMBER OF A COMMISSION OR BOARD OF THE CITY, UH, MUST BE AN ELECTOR AND A RESIDENT OF THE CITY.
UM, WE'VE HAD, UM, OVER THE PAST YEARS, AND WE HAVE ONE CURRENT PERSON ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD SERVING IN THE ROLE OF A SPECIAL LIAISON.
UM, IT JUST WASN'T VERY DEFINED, BUT IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE WHO COULD BRING SOME EXPERTISE OR VALUE TO A PARTICULAR CITY BOARD OF COMMISSION WHO'S NO LONGER A RESIDENT, NEVER WAS A RESIDENT, UM, COULD BE APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL AS A SPECIALTY LIAISON AND CONTINUE TO SERVE IN THAT, UH, CAPACITY OF, OF, OF BEING ABLE TO DELIBERATE, PARTICIPATE IN THE ACTIVITIES AND SUCH OF THE BOARD.
UH, THE ONLY LIMITATIONS BEING THAT THAT PERSON WOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF COMMISSION, NOR WOULD THEY, UH, BE
[01:05:01]
ABLE TO HOLD OFFICE ON THAT BOARD OF COMMISSION.SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH THE SPECIAL LIAISONS IN PRACTICE.
IT'S JUST NOT BEEN CODIFIED INTO WRITING, UH, WAS A SUGGESTION OF THE LAW, UH, DIRECTOR THAT, UM, WE PASS THIS RESOLUTION IN AN EFFORT TO, UH, CODIFY, UH, THE EXPECTATIONS FOR THE ROLES OF SPECIAL LIAISONS AND, UM, ADDRESS THAT ISSUE SO THAT, UM, THERE ISN'T ANY AMBIGUITY OR LACK OF CLARITY AROUND THAT POINT.
SO, UM, THANKS FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION OF, UH, THIS RESOLUTION.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DON? THANK YOU.
UH, TONY, EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE PROCESS IS THE SAME.
IN OTHER WORDS, AN APPLICANT STILL, UH, SUBMITS AN APPLICATION, GOES THROUGH YOUR, UM, UM, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, UH, THE INTERVIEW PANEL.
IT, IT, IT WOULD BE THE SAME PROCESS FOR A SPECIAL LIAISON AS IT WOULD BE ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD.
UH, AT THIS TIME, DO WE HAVE OUTSIDE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THEMSELVES AND STAFF, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF, PEOPLE ON, ON, OR DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF SPECIAL APPOINTMENTS TO ANY OF OUR BOARDS? NOW, O ONLY ONE SPECIAL LIAISON, UH, WHICH IS MR.
HE'S, HE'S BEEN IN A SPECIAL LIAISON ROLE FOR I THINK SINCE 15 OR 16, QUITE, QUITE SOME TIME.
AND HE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT THIS ROLE WOULD PERFORM BECAUSE HE WAS A FORMER RESIDENT OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, HE WORKS FOR THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UH, DEAN, MONTGOMERY COUNTY CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU.
AND SO, UM, HE HAD A LOT OF, UH, CONNECTIONS WITH THE DIFFERENT SPORTS GROUPS AND DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT ARE HOLDING EVENTS AND, UH, HELPING TO COORDINATE WITH, SAY, UH, THE BIG SOCCER EVENTS AT, UH, THOMAS CLOUD PARK AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UH, HE WANTED TO BE INVOLVED STILL.
UM, THIS CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO BRING HIS EXPERTISE AND KNOWLEDGE TO THAT PARTICULAR BOARD AND TO, UH, STILL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE JUST AS A, A NON-VOTING MEMBER.
NOW, UH, TO THE MEMBER OF THE, UM, CULTURAL DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION, THAT KIND OF, THIS WAS SUBJECT AROUND, UM, I HAD TROUBLE, UM, WHEN I WAS ASKED QUESTIONS, UM, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DOES SOMEONE STOP BEING A MEMBER OF THE BOARD AND THE, I COULD ONLY FIND TWO PATHS DEFINED WITHIN CHARTER, UM, RULES AND COMMISSION'S, HANDBOOKS FOR A PERSON TO LEAVE, SAID, BORDER COMMISSION A, A RESIGNATION FROM SAID INDIVIDUAL, AND B, A VOTE OF NO LESS THAN SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REMOVE.
AM I INCORRECT IN THAT? BECAUSE IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO LOOK INTO CORRECTING SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY TWO WAYS I SOLVE FOR A PERSON TO LEAVE.
WELL, UM, IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR IN DETAIL YOU GUYS WANT ME TO GET PUBLICLY, UH, WITH THAT MATTER, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS SOME CONTENTION WITH IT, BUT, UH, THE, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL HAD MET WITH ME AND NOTIFIED ME OF THEIR, UH, NO LONGER BEING A RESIDENT OF THE CITY.
AND, UH, THERE, THERE WAS A VERBAL RESIGNATION THAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO ME.
AND IN FACT, RIGHT AFTER THAT MEETING, I POSTED THE VACANCY FOR THAT PARTICULAR POSITION, UM, BASED ON THAT CONVERSATION.
AND, UH, THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT THAT PERSON WAS GOING TO SUBMIT IT IN WRITING AS A FOLLOW UP, WHICH NEVER HAPPENED.
NOW, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE JUST DISAPPEAR, YOU KNOW, LEAVE BOARDS.
UH, WE CALLED THEIR NUMBER, IT'S DISCONNECTED, WE NEVER HEAR FROM 'EM AGAIN.
UH, THEY DON'T HAVE A RESIGNATION.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FORMALLY REMOVED BY COUNSEL, BUT THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY NO LONGER SERVING ON THE BOARD.
UM, I, I BELIEVE A, A VERBAL RESIGNATION WAS COMMUNICATED TO ME, AND, UM, THAT THAT'S WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION AT THIS TIME.
AGAIN, I JUST, WE MAY NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE WELL-DEFINED ON THAT, JUST BECAUSE I HAD TROUBLE FINDING ANYTHING AND I WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING I COULD FIND, SO.
THE CHARTER DOES HAVE A PROCESS FOR REMOVAL OF A MEMBER OF A BORDER COMMISSION.
AND, UH, THAT KIND OF PARALLELS THE PROCESS FOR THE REMOVAL OF A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A MUCH MORE INVOLVED PROCESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, THE ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT, UM, I THINK THE BOARD AND COMMISSION'S HANDBOOK HASN'T BEEN UPDATED FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT UPDATED FOR THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
I, UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT, UH, IT WAS LAST UPDATED IN ACTUALLY 2017.
I'VE BEEN KEEPING A LIST OVER TIME OF, UH, SOME OF THE UPDATES THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
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WE HAD A BUNCH OF 'EM PRINTED UP, WE'RE NEARING THE END OF THAT STOCKPILE.SO, UH, MY INTENTION WAS, UH, NO LATER THAN THE, UH, THE BEGINNING OF 2024 TO HAVE A DRAFT BEFORE COUNSEL TO REWRITE THE ENTIRE THING.
YES, ED? UH, YEAH, JUST A STATEMENT.
I, THIS IS THE SAME LADY THAT CAME AND SPOKE TO US PUBLICLY AND THE STATEMENTS THAT SHE HAD MADE, UH, DIDN'T SOUND LIKE, UM, A VERBAL RESIGNATION TO ME, IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE IT'S AWFULLY, UM, WEIRD, UNUSUAL, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD IS, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A VERBAL RESIGNATION WAS, UM, WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, JUST AN OBSERVATION FOR THE RECORD, MY CONVERSATION WITH HER INDIVIDUALLY, WHICH WAS, UH, ALSO WITNESSED BY MY DEPUTY CLERK OF COUNSEL, UM, WAS QUITE DIFFERENT THAN THE PRESENTATION SHE MADE HERE.
AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU HAVE TO BE AN ELECTOR IN THE CITY.
AND ONCE YOU MOVE OUT, YOU'RE NO LONGER ELECTOR.
AND I HAD AFFORDED MS. SUNLAND THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR A SPECIAL LIAISON KNOWING THAT WE'VE ALLOWED OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
UM, AT FIRST SHE WANTED TO CONTINUE TO BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS NOT AN ELECTOR, THEN SHE WANTED TO GO FOR AN EX-OFFICIO AND REQUESTED THAT THE CITY GET A LEGAL REVIEW OF THE LEGISLATION AROUND THE ISSUES OF EX-OFFICIO STATUS, WHICH WE SENT TO THE LAW DIRECTOR.
UM, THAT WASN'T, IT DIDN'T COME BACK WITH THE ANSWER THAT SHE HAD HOPED IT WOULD BE.
AND, UM, THEN, UM, NOW SHE'S BEEN OFFERED THE SPECIAL LIAISON AND SAID SHE WANTED GREATER CLARIFICATION ON THE ROLE BEFORE SHE WOULD CHOOSE TO PURSUE THAT.
SO THIS IS ALSO INTENDED TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE WITH HER.
ANY, UH, OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS LEGISLATION ON TO CLEARLY, MORE CLEARLY DEFINE THAT ROLE.
[ Police Division Discussion * City Staffing Levels/Table Of Organization]
OH, POLICE DIVISION DISCUSSION.THIS IS THE CITY STAFFING LEVEL, TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, AND THEN SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.
UM, I WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO GO OVER, UH, ALL OF THE TOPICS SURROUNDING, UH, STAFFING IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I KNOW THE CHIEF AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING, UH, PRETTY HEAVILY THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS ON, UM, A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M GIVING A FULL RUNDOWN.
AND THEN AT THE END, WE'RE GONNA GET TO, UM, THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS STUFF, UM, THAT'S ON THE WORK SESSION HERE.
SO, UM, BASICALLY I WANNA START WITH THE ISSUES RAISED, UH, BY, UH, F O P REPRESENTATION IN LATE AUGUST.
UM, BASICALLY, UM, THEY, UH, REFERRED TO THE 2002 I A C P STUDY THAT RECOMMENDED A STAFFING LEVEL OF 63.
UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A AUTHORIZED STAFFING LEVEL OF 55.
UM, THERE IS, UH, SOME CONCERNS SURROUNDING STAFFING FOR THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER AND OTHER SPECIAL DETAILS, UH, AS THAT CREATES ADDITIONAL WORKLOAD, ADDITIONAL, UM, NOT NORMAL DUTY WORK.
UM, THERE'S A FEELING THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH OVERTIME AND SPECIAL DUTY WORK FOR THE STAFF TO HANDLE.
UM, THERE'S AN INCREASE IN MENTAL HEALTH INCIDENTS, WHICH IS CREATING A NEW WORKLOAD BURDEN FOR THE OFFICERS, ALONG WITH, UH, WHAT THEY DEFINED AS A TRAINING GAP FOR THAT TYPE OF RESPONSE.
AND THEN, UM, THERE WERE CONCERNS RAISED ABOUT THE, UH, COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH AND RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UH, MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO, UM, GET WORK DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER.
UM, SO I'LL START WITH THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER IN SPECIAL DETAILS.
UM, CURRENTLY I'M WORKING WITH BRIAN ON, UH, INVESTIGATING REDUCTION IN SPECIAL DUTY ASSIGNMENTS AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, POTENTIALLY BY UTILIZING PRIVATE SECURITY, UM, THIS CAN ALLEVIATE A BURDEN ON STAFF BY REDUCING THAT AMOUNT OF EXTRA WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE PRIVATE SECURITY CAN ALSO BE, UH, SECURED AT A LOWER COST.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE MEME PASSES THAT COST OF SECURITY BACK TO THE CITY THROUGH THE CONTRACT, IT COULD RESULT IN THE SAVINGS TO THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN POTENTIALLY THAT SAVINGS COULD BE USED TO FUND ADDITIONAL OFFICER POSITIONS.
UM, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING INTO WHETHER OTHER SPECIAL DUTY OBLIGATIONS COULD BE REDUCED, UH, TO RELIEVE THE WORKLOAD ON THE, UM, ON THE STAFF, UH, MENTAL HEALTH RESPONSE.
I HAVE THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, JEFFREY, UH, RESEARCHING THE FEASIBILITY OF INSTITUTING A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS RESPONSE UNIT, UH, FOR THE POLICE DIVISION.
UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW PERSONNEL WITH THE APPROPRIATE BACKGROUND AND DEGREE TO SUPPORT OUR SWORN OFFICERS ON THESE TYPE OF CALLS.
UM, OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE STATE HAVE INSTITUTED THESE TYPES OF CRISIS RESPONSE UNITS, INCLUDING KETTERING,
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DAYTON, AND COLUMBUS.UM, THERE ARE A LOT MORE, AND THAT'S WHAT JEFF'S DIGGING INTO RIGHT NOW.
UM, RESEARCH IS GONNA INCLUDE THE APPROPRIATE COMPOSITION FOR A CRISIS RESPONSE UNIT, IF THAT'S A DIRECTION THE CITY CHOOSES TO GO.
TIME SAVINGS ON CALLS FOR OFFICERS, SUCCESS RATES, UH, THAT WOULD REDUCE, UH, RECIDIVISM AND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT COULD GUIDE A PROGRAM LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF A LONG-TERM RESEARCH PROJECT THAT WE WANNA SEE IF THAT CARRIES ANY BENEFIT TO OUR OFFICERS AND, AND THEIR RESPONSE TO THESE TYPES OF CALLS.
UH, CAT R M S TECHNICAL ISSUES.
SO, MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH, I MET WITH CHIEF LIGHTNER, UH, AND HIS LEADERSHIP STAFF TO WORK THROUGH OR AT LEAST IDENTIFY THE ISSUES WITH THE CAD R M S SYSTEM.
UH, ON WEDNESDAY, I JOINED A WEEKLY CALL WITH MOTOROLA.
UM, I INFORMED THE VENDOR THAT THE ISSUES, UH, THAT HAVE PERSISTED OVER NINE MONTHS HAD REACHED A CRITICAL LEVEL, UH, AND I EXPECTED THEM TO RESOLVE IT IMMEDIATELY.
UM, AS A LITTLE EXTRA BIT OF EMPHASIS, I REFERRED THEIR CONTRACT TO THE LAW DIRECTOR AND INFORMED THEM THAT WE'LL BE, UH, RESEARCHING WHETHER A BREACH HAS OCCURRED AND WHETHER ANY FINANCIAL PENALTIES SHOULD BE ASSESSED, UH, TO MOTOROLA.
UH, SO THE I C P REPORT IN OVERTIME, UH, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, UH, WHEN I CAME IN, UH, SEPTEMBER 11TH, HAD BEGUN ENGAGING LOCAL GOVERNMENT CONSULTANTS TO DEVELOP A CONTRACT FOR THE REVIEW OF POLICE DATA, UM, TO DETERMINE, UH, IF THERE ARE ISSUES SURROUNDING STAFFING AND OVERTIME.
UH, I EXECUTED THAT CONTRACT ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, UM, AND WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM SINCE THAT TIME.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA REVIEW POLICE DATA TO DETERMINE CALLS FOR SERVICE SHIFT WORKLOAD OVER TIME, IMPACT OF MENTAL HEALTH CALLS, AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT THEY BELIEVE IS RELEVANT.
UM, I KNOW THE CONSULTANT WORKING ON THAT PROJECT IS A PRIOR POLICE CHIEF.
UM, I BELIEVE IN THE CLEVELAND AREA.
UH, WE EXPECT TURNAROUND ON THIS IN 11 WEEKS, AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED, UH, WITH AN ORGANIZATIONAL ASSESSMENT IF THAT'S NECESSARY THROUGH, UH, THE I P I C P OR ANOTHER ORGANIZATION.
UM, FULL ORGANIZATIONAL OR STAFFING ASSESSMENTS CAN TAKE BETWEEN SIX AND 12 MONTHS.
UH, I RECENTLY COMPLETED A FIRE ASSESSMENT THAT TOOK A LITTLE OVER A YEAR.
UM, SO THIS SEEMS LIKE THE BEST WAY FOR US TO GET THE INFORMATION WE WANT IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, THE RESULTS OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CONSULTANTS ANALYSIS WOULD ALSO FEED INTO, UH, A LARGER ORGANIZATIONAL OR STAFFING REPORT, UH, IF WE CHOOSE TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
UH, SO IT BRINGS US TO THE TOPIC FOR TONIGHT, WHICH IS TRAFFIC SAFETY.
UM, ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, AS YOU KNOW, COUNCIL REQUESTED LEGISLATION TO ADD FOUR ADDITIONAL OFFICERS AND FORM A TRAFFIC SAFETY UNIT.
UM, BY WEDNESDAY, UNDERSTANDING COUNCIL'S CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, THE CHIEF ISSUED A DIRECTIVE THAT OFFICERS MUST PERFORM TRAFFIC CONTACTS.
THESE ARE EITHER SAFETY NOTIFICATIONS, SOMETHING LIKE A BROKEN TAILLIGHT, UH, WARNINGS, UH, OR CITATIONS IF NECESSARY, UM, DURING THEIR SHIFT, THE CHIEF AND ADMINISTRATION DO APPRECIATE COUNSEL'S WILLINGNESS TO ADD ADDITIONAL STAFF.
HOWEVER, A DEDICATED TRAFFIC UNIT WOULD LIMIT THE CITY'S ABILITY TO ADDRESS, UH, OVERTIME OR SPECIFIC, UH, SPECIAL DETAILED ISSUES WHICH MIGHT BE IDENTIFIED, UH, BY THIRD PARTY REVIEWS.
UM, SO SINCE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RESEARCHING THE BEST WAY TO EXPAND THE POLICE DIVISION IN SUPPORT OUR, UH, POLICE STAFF, UH, CHIEF AND I DO REQUEST THAT COUNSEL TABLE THIS LEGISLATION UNTIL WE CAN REALLY DETERMINE THE BEST WAY TO ASSIGN AND UTILIZE THESE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL.
CHIEF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT RIGHT NOW? NO.
AND I DID WANNA LET COUNSEL KNOW ONE MORE THING.
THE UNION HAS INITIATED LABOR MANAGEMENT PROCEEDINGS WITH THE CITY.
UM, THERE'S A MEETING THIS WEEK TO BEGIN THAT.
UH, THE TOPICS WE ARE DISCUSSING ARE, UH, OVERTIME STAFFING LEVELS, OPERATIONAL DIVISION, AND HIRING.
UM, SO PER THE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, THE TOPICS MENTIONED ABOVE CAN'T BE DISCUSSED PUBLICLY OR OUTSIDE OF THE LABOR MANAGEMENT PROCESS.
SO WHAT THIS BASICALLY MEANS IS THAT UNION PERSONNEL SHOULD NOT BE REACHING OUT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY OR AS A GROUP.
UM, THIS WOULD REPRESENT AN UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE ON THE PART OF THE UNION.
CONVERSELY, UM, IF COUNCIL MEMBERS REACH OUT TO MEMBERS OF THE UNION, WE COULD BE, UM, FOUND TO BE ENGAGING IN AN UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE.
UM, AS A MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CITY, I WILL DEFINITELY ADEQUATELY CONVEY ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS TO THE F O P THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AS A COUNCIL.
AND I'LL ALSO GIVE UPDATES, UH, IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, ON THE RESULTS OF THOSE LABOR MANAGEMENT MEETINGS.
SO, UM, YOU CAN STILL BE INFORMED, IT'S JUST A MATTER THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IT BETWEEN THE PARTIES, UM, THE CHIEF AND MYSELF AND THEIR UNION REPRESENTATION AS WE GET TO A FINAL EITHER DECISION OR AGREEMENT, UM, ON THAT.
SO, TRY TO KEEP IT A LITTLE QUICK, BUT, UM, I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNSEL HAS.
RICK, COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO US THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
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A LABOR MANAGEMENT MEETING AND REOPENING NEGOTIATIONS? YES.SO LABOR MANAGEMENT MEETINGS, UH, ARE TYPICALLY FOCUSED ON, IT COULD BE A, A MINOR CONTRACT ISSUE.
UM, IN FACT, I'VE HAD A MEETING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO BRING BEFORE COUNCIL THERE.
IF LANGUAGE IS NOT RIGHT, WE CAN FIX IT THROUGH A LABOR MANAGEMENT MEETING IN AN M O U.
UM, IT CAN ALSO BE MORE ABOUT OPERATIONAL, UH, ISSUES, WHICH THIS IS SO, UM, ABOUT HOW THE DEPARTMENT IS STAFFED, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FRUSTRATIONS WITH CERTAIN OPERATIONAL DECISIONS.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE UNION TO WORK WITH MANAGEMENT, UM, AND TRY AND COME TO A, A GOOD RESOLUTION TO ANY, ANY CONCERNS.
YES, GLEN, UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? THE FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, UH, SAY WE UTILIZE PRIVATE SECURITY AT THE ROAD.
SAY WE UTILIZE PRIVATE SECURITY AT THE ROSE, UH, AN INCIDENT OCCURS.
HOW DOES THAT PRIVATE SECURITY HANDLE THAT INCIDENT? WELL, THEY WOULD MITIGATE THE INCIDENT AND CONTACT OUR, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE THE PATROL UNITS COME IN AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
UM, A ADDITIONALLY, UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THIS STUFF.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST INDISPUTABLE IN MY OPINION, THAT WE NEED MORE STAFFING THERE, UH, HOW IT'S USED.
I, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY, UH, OVERJOYED, ACTUALLY, UH, MORE THAN HAPPY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PULL THE DESIGNATION OF A TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT AND MAYBE JUST STIPULATE WELL FOCUS ON TRAFFIC ACTIVITY.
UM, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I, I WILL STAND HARD AND SAY THAT I STILL THINK WE NEED ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL AND FOUR MEMBERS IS NOT GOING TO FIT THE BILL IN THE LONG RUN.
WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE THAN THAT PROBABLY.
UM, THAT'S SIMPLY A, YOU KNOW, SO LET'S SLOW DOWN THE BLEEDING A LITTLE BIT, UM, BECAUSE I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO, I'M NOT GONNA GET TOO DEEP IN DETAILS.
UM, BUT JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE, IT, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO HANDICAP ANY OF US.
IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPEDE ANY PROGRESS, AND ALL IT CAN DO IS SERVE TO HELP.
UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, I, I, I DON'T APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THIS, UH, WAS REMOVED FROM THE ACTUAL COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA AFTER SIX MEMBERS COMPELLED IT.
HOWEVER, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GO BACK TO THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE.
UM, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE SOME VERBIAGE ON IT TO REMOVE TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT, AND MAYBE WE SAY A FOCUS ON TRAFFIC OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
BUT I STILL THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY, UH, IMPERATIVE THAT WE BEGIN TO BOLSTER OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS, UH, THEY'RE VERY OLD NUMBERS AND OUR CITY HAS GROWN QUITE A BIT.
UM, THE JUST MILEAGE OF LANES AND, AND, AND TRAFFIC IN GENERAL HAS EXPLODED.
SO IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT PUT BACK ON.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ADD THIS ITEM BACK TO OUR NEXT MEETING AGENDA FOR A VOTE AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
THAT'S A CITY COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT, CORRECT? THAT IS AT TONIGHT AT TONIGHT'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
WOULD THE, WOULD THE RIGHT TIME BE NOW, OR WOULD THE RIGHT TIME BE AT TO AMEND THE AGENDA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE COUNCIL MEETING? IT, IT, IT COULD, I THINK IT COULD BE DONE NOW IN TERMS OF, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER ITEMS, WHICH IS, IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO, UH, THIS MOVING ON TO THE AGENDA? IT JUST BE MORE FORMAL WAY OF DOING IT, OR THE SECOND WAY IT COULD BE MOVED AT THE COUNCIL MEETING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING TO ADD, UH, THESE TWO ITEMS TO THE AGENDA.
SO GLENN'S MADE A MOTION, AND I, ED, I SAW YOUR HAND.
IS THAT A SECOND? UM, WELL, LET'S DO, UH, WHAT TONY MENTIONED IS, UH, IN THE ABSENCE OF A MAJORITY AGAINST, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY YOU NORMALLY DO IT, RIGHT? YES.
SO, WELL, FIRST, IF, IF SOMEONE'S SECONDING GLEN'S MOTION, WE'D HAVE TO BE WITH THAT.
SO, SO GLEN'S A, IS IT A MOTION OR A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE GONNA GO WITH A MAJORITY? UH, OR IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OBJECTION OR, OR YOU GOING TO MAKE A, MAKE AN AMEN, TONY, WITH WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING TO ED? UM, I THINK WE CAN FOLLOW THE NORMAL PROCESS, PULL IT BACK AND ASK IF THERE'S NOT AN OBJECTION BEYOND THE, THE ALTERNATIVE OPTION IS STILL TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND.
I, I BE FINE TO DO IT THAT WAY, AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS IT HAPPENS, I, I'D BE HAPPY TO PULL BACK THAT MOTION AND SEE IF WE HAVE A MAJORITY OBJECTION.
SO IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO ADDING, UH, THIS ITEM TO THE ACTUAL MEETING MARK? UH, MAYOR, I, I HAVE AN OBJECTION ONLY DUE TO THE COMMENTS FROM RICK, BUT I I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOU.
UH, IS IT YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TABLE THIS YES.
UNTIL SOME WORK HAS BEEN DONE?
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YES, IT IS.COULD I ASK THE CHIEF A QUESTION? MM-HMM.
I CAN'T GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT, UM, I CAN SAY THAT AT THAT AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, WE DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT COUNSEL IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE, THE DIVISION AND LOOKING TO ADD MORE PERSONNEL.
I MEAN, LIKE I TOLD YOU AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, IF YOU'D LINE 10 CHIEFS UP HERE AND GAVE 'EM FOUR DIFFERENT OFFICERS, FOUR NEW OFFICERS, NONE OF THEM WOULD OBJECT TO THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT WE'RE MOVING A LITTLE TOO QUICK.
I THINK, UM, THIS STUDY WITH THE CONSULTANT GROUP IS GOING TO TELL US A LOT IF WE MOVE ON WITH ANOTHER I A C P STUDY, I THINK THAT WILL TELL US A LOT.
I THINK THE CONCERN WITH THE, UH, UNION, UH, ALTHOUGH THEY APPRECIATE THE FOUR ADDITIONAL PEOPLE, IS THEY, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE FOUR ADDITIONAL PEOPLE ARE UTILIZED IN A WAY THAT IT REDUCES OVERTIME AND THAT THEY'RE USED IN A WAY THAT BETTER SERVES THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.
AND THE PAST, OVER MY 18 YEARS AS COMMAND, AS PART OF COMMAND IN THE POLICE DIVISION, NINE AS A LIEUTENANT, NINE AS A CHIEF, YOU GUYS HAVE ALWAYS GIVEN US THE RESOURCES TO SERVE THE, THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
AND THEN IT'S BEEN MY JOB AS A LIEUTENANT AND NOW MY JOB AS A CHIEF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT THOSE PEOPLE IN THE PLACES WHERE IT BEST SERVES.
UM, AND, AND I JUST WOULD ASK FOR THAT, THAT YOU ALLOW ME THE OPPORTUNITY AS YOUR POLICE CHIEF TO, UH, IF, IF IT IS AGREED THAT WE'RE GONNA GIVE FOUR ADDITIONAL PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S BASED OUT OF THIS CONSULTANT STUDY OR WHETHER IT'S BASED OUT OF AN I E C P STUDY, IS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PUT THOSE PEOPLE, THOSE NEW ADDITIONAL OFFICERS IN POSITIONS THAT BETTER SERVE THE CITY AND BETTER SERVES WHAT THE, WHAT THE UNIT'S ASKING FOR.
AND THAT IS A REDUCTION IN OVERTIME AND LESS WORKLOAD.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, RICK, UH, THERE ARE OPENINGS THAT EXIST IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY? YES.
WILL YOU, STARTING TOMORROW MORNING? MM-HMM.
CHIEF HAS ALREADY FILLED THREE, WHICH SHOULD BRING US UP TO 53.
WE'VE GOT ONE IN THE, IN THE F T O PROGRAM RIGHT NOW THAT LEAVES US FIVE OPENINGS.
YOU JUST, THE CITY MANAGER JUST, UH, SIGNED A CONDITIONAL OFFER ON THREE, UH, ADDITIONAL LATERAL, UH, THEY ARE SCHEDULED.
THEIR PSYCHOLOGICALS AND THEIR PHYSICALS ARE SCHEDULED AND WILL BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF, UM, THIS WEEK.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, AS LONG AS EVERYTHING GOES OKAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT FINAL OFFERS.
I MEAN, YOU GOT TWO WEEK NOTICE TOO, THEY HAVE TO GIVE TO THEIR CURRENT EMPLOYER.
BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT OCTOBER, UH, FOR THREE MORE ADDITIONAL, UM, I'VE GOT MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE HR DIRECTOR, UH, WEDNESDAY, UM, FOR A, ASKING FOR A CONDITIONAL OFFER ON ANOTHER POLICE OFFICER LATERAL, UM, AND A DISPATCH, UH, CANDIDATE THAT WE HAVE A VACANCY FOR.
AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE ONE, ONE OTHER OFFICER THAT'S GETTING A BACKGROUND DONE RIGHT NOW, ANOTHER LATERAL, AND WE HAVE THREE LEFT ON THE CURRENT LIST THAT WE'RE WAITING ON THE BACKGROUND PACKETS TO BE TURNED IN.
SO RICK, PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, WHAT YOU CALL LIKE A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS TEAM.
IS THAT, WHAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE THE, YOU SAID KETTERING AND COLUMBUS AND MM-HMM.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL, SO WOULD THOSE BE POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE TRAINED SEPARATE IN MENTAL HEALTH WHERE THEY WOULD BE ON THE STREET, OR, OR ARE THESE TYPICALLY THESE ARE NOT SWORN OFFICERS.
SO, SO GIVE US AN IDEA OF LIKE, OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND, AND IS THAT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL RESOURCES IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MIGHT NEED TO BE THOSE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT WILL ELIMINATE TIME ON CALLS AND WORKLOAD FOR THE ADDITIONAL OFFICER OR FOR THE OFFICERS WE HAVE CURRENTLY? YEAH.
SO EXPLAIN TO US A LITTLE BIT WHAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO I'LL START BY SAYING WE ARE VERY EARLY IN RESEARCHING THIS TOPIC.
WE COULD COME TO THE END OF IT AND REALIZE IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR THE POLICE DIVISION.
BUT WHAT THESE UNITS HAVE TYPICALLY BEEN COMPRISED OF IS, UM, PEOPLE WITH A SOCIAL WORK BACKGROUND OR MENTAL HEALTH BACKGROUND WHO ARE AVAILABLE EACH SHIFT, UM, FOR WHEN THERE'S A MENTAL HEALTH, UH, OR ADDICTION ISSUE OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT AN OFFICER'S DEALING WITH THAT THEY CAN HELP SUPPORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN THESE UNITS IS, IS PEOPLE REACT TO A, A BADGE AND A GUN A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THEY DO A HUB HEIGHTS POLO SHIRT.
AND SO, UH, IT'S A WAY THAT ONCE THE SCENE'S CONTROLLED THAT SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT REALLY A AUTHORITY NECESSARILY CAN WORK WITH PEOPLE TO HELP THEM OUT, POINT THEM TO THE RIGHT RESOURCES.
SO, UM, THESE ARE TYPICALLY NOT SWORN OFFICERS, BUT THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO
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THE OFFICERS, UM, WHEN NECESSARY, UH, TO RESPOND TO AN INCIDENT OR SO WOULD AN OFFICER STAY ON THAT CALL THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TIME? OR ONCE IT'S BEEN DEESCALATED AND THERE'S A MENTAL HEALTH WORKER THERE, IS THAT OFFICER NOT FREE TO GO BACK AND TAKE ANOTHER CALL SOMEPLACE ELSE? IS THAT, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GUIDE IT THROUGH POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.UH, I BELIEVE THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE IF THE OFFICER DEEMS THE SITUATION SAFE, UM, THEY COULD LET THE, UH, CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM MEMBER, UH, FINISH OFF THE CALL.
UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT REPORT FROM THE OFFICER'S REPORT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF WORK.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF THESE TYPE OF TEAMS, BUT I'VE, I'VE HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE.
THAT'S WHY I WANNA GET SOME DEEPER RESEARCH IN.
BUT YES, THEY'RE TYPICALLY NOT SWORN OFFICERS.
NANCY? UH, YEAH, I OBJECT TO MOVING THIS FORWARD, UH, BECAUSE OF THE PRESENTATION THAT RICK GAVE US AND THE, UH, THE PROCESSES THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TO ALLEVIATE, UH, THE LOAD FROM THE, UH, FROM THE OFFICER'S AND AT, UH, CHIEF ER'S REQUEST AND WAITING 11 WEEKS TO GET, UH, SOLID INFORMATION IS, IS, UH, NOT TOO MUCH TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THIS RIGHT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS, THIS DECISION BE DATA-DRIVEN, NOT JUST WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM, UM, OUR CONSTITUENTS OR OUR PEOPLE, UM, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
UM, I'D LIKE THIS TO BE DATA-DRIVEN AND, AND I APPRECIATE, UH, THE FACT THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY SITTING DOWN AND ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE.
I JUST KIND OF DID SOME NUMBERS OFF OF 2002 AND WHEN I WAS DIVIDING OUT THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WE HAD IN 2002 VERSUS NOW WITH EVERYTHING MY NUMBERS ARE SHOWING WE SHOULD BE AT 72 OFFICERS.
I, I THINK MOVING THIS AHEAD TO JUST GET FOUR STARTED IN THIS PROCESS WOULD NOT HURT ANYTHING.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT SAYING THEY HAVE TO BE FROM TRAFFIC DIVISION AT THIS POINT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW GETTING FOUR MORE OFFICERS GOING IN THE PROCESS AND GIVING CHIEF LIGHTNER THE ABILITY TO USE 'EM HOW HE NEEDS TO THIS PROCESS TAKES FOREVER.
SO I DON'T KNOW BY US APPROVING HOW THAT'S GONNA HURT ANY OF THIS.
AT ANY POINT, IF YOU NEED FOUR OR YOU NEED 14, YOU LET ME KNOW AND I'D BE A YES.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.
IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME ARE COMING ON BOARD.
SO I, FOR RIGHT NOW, I'M WITH MRS. BURGE, WE NEED MORE DATA.
UH, I AM, UH, SUPPORTING THIS, UH, THIS MOTION AS I, AS I DID PREVIOUSLY.
UM, AND, AND I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE COMMENTS HERE THAT WE, THIS SHOULD BE DATA DRIVEN, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE A REPORT FROM 21 YEARS AGO THAT SAYS, UH, WE SHOULD HAVE 63 OFFICERS, WHICH ARE EIGHT SHY OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
UM, EVEN ADDING FOUR MORE WOULD BE FOUR SHY, UH, ALLOWING TIME AND DATA TO TAKE PLACE.
UM, I PRESENTED THE, UH, THE DATA, UH, FROM GOVERNING, UH, FROM THE, UH, UM, I C M A, UM, UH, WHICH, UM, BACKED UP THE DATA FROM THE F B I.
UH, SO I THINK, UH, THE REPORT THAT WAS, UH, PROVIDED HERE BY THE CITY MANAGER TONIGHT, UM, PROVIDES US EVERY REASON TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FOUR ADDITIONAL OFFICERS.
I'M, I GUESS I'M, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE POINT OF, OF WHERE IT'S AT.
WE'RE PROVIDING THE CHIEF FOUR ADDITIONAL OFFICERS TO DO, AS HE SEES FIT FROM A REPORT THAT THIS CITY GARNERED 21 YEARS AGO THAT SAYS THAT WE ARE EIGHT OFFICERS, SHORT FOUR OF THE CURRENT NUMBER THAT WE'RE AT NOW, STILL SHORT OF THE HIRING OF OUR FUNDED POSITIONS.
UM, SO I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT MESSAGE THIS COUNCIL IS TRYING TO SERVE WHEN WE HAVE A LEVY COMING UP IN NOVEMBER WHERE WE ARE ASKING RESIDENTS, ARE WE READY FOR THIS TO MAINTAIN CURRENT SERVICES? WE FOLKS WERE SITTING ON A REPORT FROM 21 YEARS AGO THAT SAYS, WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING.
WE DIDN'T EVEN DO WHAT THIS REPORT ASKED.
AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THIS REPORT, AND, UM, I WOULD SAY ALMOST ABOUT 95% OF IT HAS BEEN COMPLETED THROUGH CLEA CERTIFICATION OUTSIDE OF THE STAFFING.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING RESIDENTS TO MAINTAIN CURRENT STAFFING LEVELS AND WE CAN'T PROVIDE FOUR OFFICERS THAT, UM, WOULD MOST OF THIS COUNSEL APPROVED ON NINE 11 TO SUPPORT OUR PUBLIC SERVICES AND SAFETY, I BELIEVE WE'RE SENDING A TOTALLY DIFFERENT MESSAGE, NOT ONLY TO OUR RESIDENTS, BUT TO THE F O P AND OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN BLUE.
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JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER.UM, BUT I THINK PUTTING THOSE FOUR IN THE WORKS, CHANGING THE STAFFING, UH, TABLE OF ORGANIZATION HERE TONIGHT, UH, AND MAKING THAT DONE AT THIS UPCOMING MEETING, SENDS A STRONG MESSAGE, UM, AND, UH, AND, AND PROVIDES CHIEF THE TIME TO MOVE THAT DONE.
YES, 11 WEEKS MAY NOT SOUND, UH, LIKE A LOT OF TIME TO SOME, BUT, UH, I'M GONNA REITERATE THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WE HAVE A REPORT FROM 21 YEARS AGO AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER, UM, ABOUT, AND, AND I SENT HIM A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS ON DOING, UH, SEVERAL REPORTS.
AND I DO AGREE WITH HIM THAT SOME OF THOSE LARGER REPORTS WILL TAKE TIME.
I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL HAS HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM OUR F O P LEADERSHIP THAT WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW.
AND I BELIEVE THAT PUTTING THOSE FOUR ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT AND PASSING THEM AS SIX MEMBERS AGREED TO DURING A MOTION, UM, ON NINE 11, UH, SENDS THAT MESSAGE OF SUPPORT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, DON? THANK YOU.
UM, RICK, SO GOING BACK TO YOUR SLIDE, THE CHIEF AND I ASKED THAT COUNSEL TABLE THIS LEGISLATION UNTIL WE CAN DETERMINE THE BEST WAY TO ASSIGN AND UTILIZE THE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL.
AND ON THE SLIDE, PREVIOUS TO THAT, YOU SAID THAT, UH, UH, EXPECTED TURNAROUND TIME ON YOUR, UH, CONSULTANT WILL BE ABOUT 11 WEEKS, UH, A FOLLOW UP SAID FULL ORGANIZATION OR STAFFING AND ASSIGNMENTS SIX TO 12 MONTHS.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE, IF YOU ARE ASKING US TO TABLE THIS, WHEN DO YOU SEE BRINGING THIS BACK BEFORE COUNSEL, UH, FOR FURTHER ACTION AND AS A, AS AN ASIDE, IS FOR A VALID NUMBER? BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT COUNSEL TOSSED OUT THE NUMBER FOUR, BUT IN REALITY, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING IN A CONSULTANT, UM, AND WORKING THROUGH THIS, AS COUNCILMAN BAKER MENTIONED, IT COULD BE 14.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT.
SO YEAH, I WOULD HOPE THAT PRETTY QUICKLY AFTER THE DATA REPORT IS, OR THE ANALYSIS IS RECEIVED, UH, GIVEN THAT WE'LL ALSO BE SPENDING THAT 11 WEEKS, UH, THROUGH LABOR MANAGEMENT MEETINGS WITH THE UNION AND THE CHIEF, UH, I WOULD THINK PRETTY QUICKLY AFTER THAT WE CAN HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
SO, UM, UH, GIMME A, GIMME A GUESSTIMATE ON WHAT'S 11 WEEKS FROM NOW? THAT'S CHRISTMAS.
CHRISTMAS? NO, THAT'S EIGHT WEEKS
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE JANUARY.
UM, CHIEF LIGHTNER, UM, WHEN YOU WERE GOING OVER THE CURRENT FIVE VACANCIES, UM, YOU MENTIONED THREE HAVE RECEIVED A CONDITIONAL OFFERS.
UH, ONE JUST RECEIVED A CONDITIONAL OFFER.
SO THAT WAS FOUR WHAT HAPPENED, AND I DIDN'T QUITE FOLLOW THE, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST OKAY.
LAST WEEK, UH, THE CITY MANAGER SIGNED THREE CONDITIONAL OFFERS FOR THREE LATERAL TRANS TRANSFER OF POLICE OFFICERS.
AT THAT POINT, WHEN THE CONDITIONAL OFFER IS GIVEN, IT'S CONTINGENT ON THE FACT THAT THEY SATISFACTORILY COMPLETE A PSYCHOLOGICAL, A PHYSICAL AND FINGERPRINTS YES.
ALL THAT'S BEEN SCHEDULED NOW THAT THEY'VE SIGNED THE CONDITIONAL OFFER, THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETED ON TWO OUT OF THE THREE BY THE END OF THIS WEEK.
THE THIRD ONE, IT'LL BE THE FIRST WEEK IN OCTOBER.
I THINK HE'S SCHEDULED FOR HIS FINAL.
AT THAT POINT, WE JUST WAIT FOR THE RESULTS TO COME BACK.
IF THE RESULTS ARE, ARE GOOD AND THEY'VE COMPLETED IT, UM, THEN WE MEET, I MEET WITH THEM AGAIN FOR A FINAL OFFER.
AND IT'S AT THAT POINT THEN THAT THEY, UH, CAN ACCEPT THAT FINAL OFFER AND THEN THEY CAN PUT IN THEIR TWO WEEK NOTICE.
THERE IS A, ANOTHER OFFICER WHOSE BACKGROUND'S COMPLETED.
I'VE ALREADY HAD MY COMMAND STAFF INTERVIEW WITH THEM, WHICH FOLLOWS THE BACKGROUND.
I'M MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE HR DIRECTOR WEDNESDAY TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT A CONDITIONAL OFFER FOR THAT ONE TOO.
AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER POLICE OFFICER THAT IS IN A BACKGROUND RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE DOING A BACKGROUND ON HIM, AND THEN WE HAVE THREE BACKGROUND PACKETS OUT, TWO POTENTIAL PEOPLE ON OUR LIST, THE FINAL THREE ON OUR LIST, AND THEY HAVE TO TURN THOSE PACKETS IN AND THEN WE'LL START BACKGROUNDS ON THEM.
NOW THAT'S WHERE I LOST, NOW THAT'S WHERE YOU LOST ME.
SO THE PROCESS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, UH, WITH, UH, PACKETS MM-HMM.
SO ARE YOU BRINGING A CERTAIN NUMBER FORWARD? SO,
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AND THEN YOU'LL TAKE THE CANDIDATE, UM, THAT YOU DECIDE WITH THAT PACKET.SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE AN ELIGIBILITY LIST RIGHT NOW THAT WE'VE BEEN TAKING.
WE DID, WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE LEFT ON THAT LIST BEFORE THE LIST IS EXHAUSTED.
AND THEN THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN YOU
WHICH IS GO THROUGH ADVERTISEMENT.
SO YOU'RE NOT STARTING, YOU'RE WORKING OFF AN OLD LIST.
YOU'RE NOT HAVING, I'M STILL WORKING OFF THE OLD LIST.
THE BACKGROUND PACKET I'M REFERRING TO IS, IT'S, IT'S A MORE IN-DEPTH BACKGROUND PACKET THAT THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT A MORE IN-DEPTH, UH, UH, DETAILED INFORMATION MORE THAN JUST A, A, UH, APPLICATION THAT THEY TURN IT, ONCE THEY COMPLETE THAT PACKET, THEY'RE USUALLY GIVEN TWO WEEK, OR I'M SORRY, ONE WEEK TO TURN IT IN, BUT GENERALLY THEY GET IN QUICKER THAN THAT.
AND THEN IT'S ASSIGNED TO A DETECTIVE AND A DETECTIVE STARTS THE BACKGROUND.
SO THE CURRENT FIVE POSITIONS ARE IN PROCESS FOR BEING HIRED AND FILLED AND, UH, SEVERAL OF 'EM COULD BE DONE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THEN ALL FIVE COULD BE DONE IN A MONTH OR TWO AS LONG AS THEY COMPLETE ALL THE PROCESSES.
AND THEY'RE HIGHLY QUALIFIED POLICE OFFICERS AS WELL.
ALL OF 'EM HAVE EXPERIENCE ON THIS LIST.
AND IF NOT, THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO GO OUT THROUGH, UH, THE PROCESS AND, UH, RE ADVERTISE FOR NEW APPLICANTS AND START OFF ANOTHER LIST.
WELL, THEN I WILL HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO SEE WHAT DIRECTION HE WANTS TO GO.
UH, WHETHER IT BE ANOTHER LATERAL PROCESS, WHETHER IT BE A COMBINATION LATERAL ENTRY LEVEL, WHETHER IT BE AN ENTRY LEVEL ONLY, UM, OR WHETHER OR NOT WE GO ANOTHER OPTION, WHICH IS, UH, UH, SENDING PEOPLE TO A POLICE ACADEMY WHERE WE ACTUALLY SEND 'EM TO A POLICE ACADEMY.
WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S GETTING A LITTLE HARDER NOW TO FIND PEOPLE THAT WANT ENTRY LEVEL PEOPLE THAT WANNA BE POLICE OFFICERS.
RIGHT NOW EVERY DEPARTMENT'S KIND OF STEALING FROM EACH OTHER.
UM, BUT, BUT THAT IS, WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS IN THIS A DISCUSSION.
THE CITY MANAGER AND I'LL HAVE, AND, AND I KNOW IN, IN THE PAST WE HAVE GOTTEN POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE EXPERIENCED FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, UM, WHICH IS GOOD.
I, UH, EXCEPT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE LAST TIME OR TIME BEFORE THAT WE GOT A LOT OF, UH, ACADEMY THAT HADN'T BEEN, UH, UH, HIRED FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
UM, MR. DEKE, ZEKE SCURRY, EXCUSE ME.
UM, DO WE HAVE A TRAFFIC CONTROL PROBLEM SPEEDING, THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE CITY? FROM WHAT I'M HEARING ANECDOTALLY, UM, UH, WE MAY, AND THAT'S WHY THE, UH, CHIEF HAS TRIED TO FOCUS ATTENTION ON THAT PROBLEM.
SO CHIEF, DO WE HAVE A SPEEDING AND TRAFFIC CONTROL PROBLEM? I THINK EVERY CITY HAS A PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC CONTROL AND SPEED.
UM, I, I BELONG TO THE COUNTY CHIEF'S ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS THE STATE CHIEF'S ASSOCIATION.
AND YOU KNOW, AND AS PART OF DISCUSSION WITH OTHER CHIEFS, WE ALL SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS.
WE ALL SHARE THE SAME PROBLEMS. AND THAT IS, UH, WE GET COMPLAINTS IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY, AS DO OTHER CHIEFS HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE SPEEDING, NOT STOPPING FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S A CONCERN THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT I ADDRESSED WHEN I WAS A YOUNG OFFICER IN THE NINETIES WORKING THE ROAD.
I MEAN, I WROTE TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS TOO.
SO, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU TRY TO CONTROL YOUR, YOUR, YOUR GOAL, OF COURSE, LIKE I EXPLAINED IN THE LAST WORK SESSION IS TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND IT IS NOT JUST TO COST PEOPLE MONEY, BUT TO CHANGE THEIR DRIVING BEHAVIOR.
AND, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO BY TRYING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC STOPS.
IT'S NOT TO WRITE MORE TICKETS.
IT'S NOT TO GENERATE REVENUE, IT'S NOT TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN TO CHANGE DRIVER BEHAVIOR.
AND IF THAT MEANS CHANGING THE BEHAVIOR OF THE PERSON THAT WE STOP, THAT'S GREAT.
IF THAT MEANS CHANGING THE BEHAVIOR OF THE FIVE OR 10 OTHER MOTORISTS THAT DRIVE BY AND SEE A POLICE CAR IN A TRAFFIC STOP, SO NOW THEY START THINKING, OKAY, THE POLICE ARE OUT HERE MAKING TRAFFIC STOPS.
THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA IS JUST CHANGE THE DRIVING BEHAVIOR OF THE PEOPLE.
AND I DON'T THINK WE GET, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY OUT OF TRAFFIC STOPS, BUT NO, WE DON'T.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERY PLACE HAS TRAFFIC ISSUES AND SPEEDERS.
SO WOULD OURS BE MORE THAN NORMAL IN HUBER HEIGHTS OR WOULD WOULD IT BE ABOUT AVERAGE? I MEAN, UM, 'CAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING FROM PEOPLE IS YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING A TRAFFIC CONTROL ISSUE AND SPEEDERS MORE SO THAN NORMAL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT A LOT OF OTHER CITIES HAVE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, FOR THE RESIDENT THAT CALLS US, UH, FROM THEIR HOME AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPEEDING OR THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANCE NUMBER ONE TO THEM.
SO TO ME, YEAH, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, IF, IF A RESIDENT'S, UH, HAVING CONCERNS, HAVING PROBLEMS WONDERING IS, IS SOMEONE GONNA GET STRUCK ON THE STREET? PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING DOWN MY STREET.
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AND WE'LL ADDRESS IT.SO MR. ZICK, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A TRAFFIC CONTROL AND SPEEDING PROBLEM AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTS COMING TO US.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING PRETTY IMPORTANT THAT WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING.
UM, ALSO, UH, YOU'VE SEEN THE STATISTICS, AND I THINK THIS WAS A WORK SESSION BEFORE YOUR FIRST DAY, BUT SEEING AS HOW YOU'RE MAKING A RE RECOMMENDATION, I KNOW YOU'RE UP TO SPEED ON THIS ISSUE.
UM, WHERE IS THE, UH, STOLEN CAR, UM, IN HUBER HEIGHTS? UH, IS THAT GOING DOWN? IS THAT STAYING THE SAME OR IS THAT INCREASING AS FAR AS THE CAR THEFT? I WILL LOOK INTO THAT.
OH, WELL, WELL JUST, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHIEF, WHERE'S THE STOLEN CAR STATISTICS OR BRIAN, WHERE'S THE STOLEN CAR STATISTICS FROM OUR PREVIOUS, UH, WORK SESSION MEETING? ISN'T THAT INCREASING? UH, I'M SORRY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA ON THAT IS THAT IS NO LONGER UNDER MY ORGANIZATIONAL PURVIEW.
CHIEF, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT ONE? YEAH.
THAT WAS OUTTA THE PART ONE CRIMES THAT WE, UH, TOUCHED ON IN THAT PRESENTATION AND THAT THAT AUTO THEFT, UM, NOT JUST LOCALLY, BUT NATIONALLY.
UM, I MEAN, DAYTON'S GONE AS FAR AS TO, TO, UH, INSTITUTE UNITS THAT JUST ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.
SO I THINK, I THINK, UH, NATIONALLY AND LOCALLY AUTO THEFTS SPECIFIC TO HYUNDAI AND KIA HAVE INCREASED A GREAT DEAL.
I DON'T HAVE EITHER ONE, SO I, APPARENTLY I'M ALL RIGHT.
BUT, UH, CARS I HAVE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO STEAL ANYWAY.
SO AUTO THEFTS ON, SO MR. ZICK AUTO THEFTS ARE UP, IT'S A REGIONAL ISSUE, YES, BUT IT'S, IT'S UP IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
DIDN'T YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN YOUR FAMILY, UH, HAVE A CAR STOLEN? SURE DIDN'T.
AND, AND I MEAN, THAT'S PERSONAL AND THAT COULD BE ONE AND THE NUMBERS ARE DOWN, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STATISTIC.
UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE TWO DETAILS, UH, WE ADD ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ISSUES DEALING WITH TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC CONTROL.
WE'RE LOOKING AT AUTO THEFTS GOING UP.
AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND, AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTOOD, OUR DATA, UM, FOR CRIME RATES IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, NO ONE'S DISPUTING THAT.
AND IT HAS BEEN FANTASTIC OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
IT'S THE REPORT THAT BRIAN DID IN COUNSEL FOR THE WORK SESSION THAT HE CAN NO LONGER TALK ABOUT.
SO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.
BUT TO SIT HERE AND SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO SAY THAT TO MAKE A DECISION TO HIRE ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS, I THINK IS, UH, GROSSLY MISALIGNED WITH WHAT'S GOING ON.
ESPECIALLY, UH, THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE REPORT FROM 2002.
CERTAINLY IF WE ADD FOUR ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS AND THEN WE DO A STUDY AND THE STUDY IS GOING TO BE WHAT THE STUDY IS, IF WE HAVE TO HIRE ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS AT THAT TIME, WE CAN GET FOUR ADDITIONAL ONES MOVING FORWARD NOW AND THEN JANUARY WHEN WE START THAT PROCESS WITH THE 2024 BUDGET, UM, WE CAN BRING IN ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS AT THAT TIME.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MOVE ALONG.
I THINK FOUR IS A VERY GOOD NUMBER BECAUSE IT'S HALF OF THE EIGHT THAT THE STUDY IN 2002 SAID WE SHOULD BE UP.
BUT ONE THING IS ABSOLUTELY PARAMOUNT IF WE ADD ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS, IT DOES MAKE AN IMPACT ON, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE STREETS.
AND CRIME CHIEF, I'M QUOTING YOU, YOU ADD ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS AND YOU CAN MAKE AN IMPACT ON THE STOLEN CARS AND THE TRAFFIC IN THIS CITY.
IS, IS THAT STILL TRUE FROM THE LAST WORK SESSION WE TALKED ABOUT? UH, WE WOULD HOPE TO MAKE AN IMPACT WITH, THERE YOU GO.
NOW, UH, I WILL JOIN MY COLLEAGUES IN THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS SIX TO VOTE.
UH, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS AMENDING OUT A TRAFFIC CONTROL DIVISION AND THAT WAY WE CAN GET ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS.
I'M STILL FINE WITH THE TRAFFIC CONTROL DIVISION, BUT I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COMPROMISE.
BUT NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS WITH THAT DATA, I THINK IS JUST SOMETHING THAT SHOWS, UH, A VERY LACK OF CREDIBILITY FROM THIS COUNCIL.
SO THAT WAY, MAYOR, I'M STILL SUPPORTING THE FOUR POLICE OFFICERS, AND I THINK THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE AGENDA, UH, IN TODAY'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING ANYWAY, AND IT WASN'T.
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JUST EVERYONE'S CLEAR, THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS, UH, DIRECTED BY STAFF TO TO BE PREPARED, WAS PREPARED.DOES THAT LEGISLATION EXISTS? YES, BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PACKET.
UM, AFTER TALKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND HIS INFORMATION FROM THE, FROM THE POLICE CHIEF, UH, THE DECISION WAS MADE THAT IF RICK SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO PRESENT HIS PRESENTATION, AND THEN IF IT WAS STILL THE WILL OF COUNSEL TO AMEND THE AGENDA, THEN THAT LEGISLATION YOU PUT ON THE AGENDA.
UM, I REMEMBER HAVING A CONVERSATION VERY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE DETAILS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED TO ADD THESE OFFICERS AS A TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT OR IF WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS.
AND I WAS TOLD AT THAT MEETING FROM SOME OF YOU THAT THE DETAILS DIDN'T MATTER.
SO THE LEGISLATION WAS WRITTEN, IT WAS PREPARED AS A TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT, BUT WE HAVE THE CHIEF AND WE HAVE THE CITY MANAGER SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY NEED.
THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GONNA HELP OVER TIME.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE, THE F O P WANTS.
SO I THINK LEAVING IT OFF THE AGENDA WAS THE PROPER THING TO DO.
NOW IF YOU WANT CHANGE IT, VOTE TO AMEND THE AGENDA AND WE'LL ADD IT AND WE'LL, AND WE'LL VOTE.
WELL, I WASN'T PART OF THAT DECISION, SO I VOTED SIX TWO, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THERE.
SO, UH, WHATEVER DECISION YOU MADE AFTERWARDS, ABSOLUTELY I AM AGAINST BECAUSE THAT WAS YOUR THOUGHT.
BUT I HAD NO, UM, NO IMPACT IN THAT AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON.
EVERY OTHER PIECE OF LEGISLATION ON THIS AGENDA IN THE WORK SESSION, I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
EXCEPT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.
AND NOT AT ALL HAS MADE THE PROCESS GO THROUGH TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING.
ALL IT HAD TO DO WAS BE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR AN UP AND DOWN VOTE.
IF THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE WORK SESSION, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, WE COULD HAVE CHANGED IT ON THE AGENDA.
WE'VE DONE THAT MULTIPLE TIMES.
AND YOU COUNSEL SAW THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT NOW, BUT THAT DOESN'T EXCUSE THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THE, THE DIRECTIVE, MY RECOLLECTION, THE DIRECTIVE WAS TO PREPARE THE LEGISLATION FOR CONSIDERATION AND THAT'S WHAT THE WORK SESSION WAS GOING TO HAVE.
SO, AND, AND, AND WE'RE, THE MOTION WAS TO PUT FOUR AND WE'RE DISCUSSING POLICE OFFICERS, WHAT WE'RE TRAFFIC CONTROLLED DIVISION, WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO.
THAT WAS THE MOTION AND THE VOTE OF COUNSEL.
WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IS POLITICS.
NOW, APPARENTLY TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS DON'T WANT THAT ANYMORE.
SO LET'S VOTE AND CORRECT IT, AND THEN THEY CAN VOTE NO THEN AT THE TIME.
SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE DUCKING A VOTE.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONLY, THERE'S BEEN THREE OBJECTIONS.
SO AS THE, UH, AS THE CASE STANDS, THEN WE WILL MOVE THIS ON TO, UM, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD END UP GOING DON'S MATTER.
DON, DON ASKED SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR, I DIDN'T HEAR AN OBJECTION FROM DON.
OH, I, MY QUESTIONS WERE SIMPLY TO CLARIFY, UH, FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND AFTER HEARING CITY MANAGER'S EXPLANATION, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MASSIVE PERIOD OF TIME BETWEEN DECIDING ON THIS TONIGHT, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, A NUMBER THAT WE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS THREW OUT AS OPPOSED TO GIVING THE NEW CITY MANAGER AND THE POLICE CHIEF A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE AND THE POSITIONS THOSE PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE.
SO, UM, YEAH, I'LL, I'LL OBJECT TO THIS.
I, I DON'T THINK IT, WE NEED TO, AS A COUNCIL FORM A TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT AFTER HEARING THE PRESENTATION BY THE CITY MANAGER.
ONCE AGAIN, UM, JUST TO RESPOND TO THAT RESPECTFULLY, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO BRING IT BACK WITHOUT THE TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT, UH, LANGUAGE UNIT, SO THAT THEY WOULD JUST BE OFFICERS TO BE USED BY CHIEF AT HIS DISCRETION, UH, HOPEFULLY TO TRY TO HELP THAT SITUATION.
UM, BUT, UH, UH, IN TWO 11 WEEKS, UH, MAYOR, I THINK THAT IS TOO LONG.
UM, I THINK THAT'S WAY TOO LONG BECAUSE WE ARE ASKING OUR RESIDENTS TO SUPPORT AN UPCOMING SAFETY SERVICES LEVY, YET WE'RE NOT GIVING 'EM WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
I THINK THAT'S A BAD MOVE, AND IT'S A BAD LOOK, AND YOU CAN CALL POLITICAL ALL YOU WANT, BUT I'M DONE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW IT, IT'S, THERE'S BEEN FOUR, FOUR AND FOUR AGAINST, SO I, I WOULD ASK ONE MORE TIME, UH, BEFORE I MAKE MY DECISION, I'M JUST GONNA ASK, UH, THE CITY
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MANAGER, I'M GONNA ASK THE POLICE CHIEF AGAIN.SO YOU'VE HEARD WHAT I, AND I APPRECIATE THE VERY ROBUST DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS, THIS EVENING, AND I'VE LISTENED TO EVERYBODY.
UM, I THINK IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I THINK WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT AND PROVEN IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE TAKE LIGHTLY.
I THINK THERE IS JUST CLEARLY A, A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
UM, I'M NOT THE POLICE CHIEF AND I'M NOT THE CITY MANAGER.
WE'VE HIRED PEOPLE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
UM, BUT A BUT I'M, BUT I WANNA ASK AGAIN AFTER HEARING THE DISCUSSION, AND THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF GREAT DISCUSSION ON, UH, FOR BOTH SIDES.
SO I'LL ASK THE, THE, I'LL ASK THE CHIEF FIRST.
ARE YOU ADAMANT IN YOUR POSITION THAT YOU'VE, AND I KNOW I CAN'T ASK YOU DETAILS OF YOUR CONVERSATIONS IN TERMS OF LABOR MANAGEMENT MEETINGS WITH THE F O P, BUT, UM, ARE, ARE THEY OKAY HO HOLDING THIS OFF OR TABLING THIS UNTIL OTHER DATA COMES BACK ON, ON WHAT THE BEST WAY IS TO UTILIZE THESE, THESE OFFICERS, SO TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, ANSWER THAT.
AND IF IT'S ONE, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, YES OR NO, WE, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW BECAUSE YOU ARE THE EXPERT ON STAFFING YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO HAVE FAITH IN YOU THAT YOU'RE GIVING US THE RIGHT INFORMATION.
SO BASED ON THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, ARE YOU, HAS YOUR POSITION CHANGED? AND IF IT HAS, THAT'S OKAY, OR ARE YOU ADAMANT THAT YOU STILL NEED MORE TIME? OKAY.
AND, AND AGAIN, AND GLENN, I'M NOT POLITICAL EITHER.
BUT, UM, MY ASK IS THIS, AS YOUR POLICE CHIEF, I ASK THIS.
NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE THE CONSULTANT GROUP COME IN AND WE DO THE STUDY.
THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THIS STUDY THAN JUST DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED FOUR POLICE OFFICERS OR NOT.
THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT OUR STAFFING, SUPERVISORY STAFFING.
THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT OUR, OUR MINIMUM STAFFING.
THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT OUR BEAT STRUCTURE, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT OUR CALL LOAD IN THE BEAT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO OUT OF THIS STUDY.
SO THE REASON WHY I ASK, I'M, I'VE SUPPORT THE FACT, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IDENTIFIED AND ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE HAVE FOUR NEW, FOUR MORE OFFICERS.
AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE REMOVED FROM THAT THE TRAFFIC SERVICES UNIT, AND YOU'RE ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY AND MY COMMAND STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE WHERE THOSE PEOPLE GO.
BUT I THINK FOR ME TO DECIDE AND FOR MY COMMAND STAFF TO DECIDE WHERE WE NEED TO GO, WE'RE GONNA TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION A LOT OF THINGS THAT, THAT I'M HOPING THIS CONSULTANT GROUP TELLS ME.
AND THAT IS OUR, IS OUR BEAT STRUCTURE THE WAY IT SHOULD BE? OR DO WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR BEAT STRUCTURE? DO WE NEED TO ADD A BEAT STRUCTURE? DO WE NEED TO CHANGE MINIMUM STAFFING? I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS I WOULD HOPE OUT OF THIS STUDY.
THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY, THEN JUST DO WE NEED FOUR POLICE OFFICERS OR NOT? AND WE MAY COME BACK WITH AN ASK OF NOT ONLY FOUR POLICE OFFICERS, BUT MAYBE A WHOLE ENTIRE BEAT STRUCTURE, UH, CHANGE BASED ON, ON THE GEOGRAPHY OF OUR CITY AND HOW IT'S CHANGED.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS, IS I'M NOT OPPOSED AT ALL TO ADDITIONAL PEOPLE ON OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ADDITIONAL DISPATCHERS IN OUR DISPATCH CENTER.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ANY OF THAT, BUT ALL I ASK IS THAT YOU, THAT WE DO IT AND WE DO IT RIGHT, AND WE LOOK AT MORE THAN JUST FOUR POLICE OFFICERS.
WE LOOK AT WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO, IS GONNA ALLOW FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO BETTER SERVE THE PEOPLE AND IN, IN, IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS STUDY'S GONNA TELL US.
I'M, I'M HOPING THAT'S WHAT THIS STUDY'S GONNA TELL US.
UM, BUT I'M GONNA ASK YOU THE SAME THING AFTER A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
UM, AND IF YOUR MIND HAS BEEN CHANGED THERE, THAT IS OKAY, BASED ON INFORMATION, I MEAN, WE'VE HEARD SOME VERY IMPASSIONED SPEECHES FROM, FROM THE COUNSELORS HERE, AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I RESPECT THAT OBJECTION.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? SO I'LL START BY SAYING MY, MY POSITION HASN'T CHANGED.
UM, BUT THERE'S A FEW THINGS I WANT TO SAY AS TO WHY.
UH, THE FIRST IS WE ARE, EVERYONE IS RIGHT.
THERE IS A LEVY ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.
UM, FOUR ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL BASED ON JIM'S CALCULATIONS.
THEY'RE GONNA COST THE CITY $535,000, NO, 530 $500,000, 535,000, SORRY.
IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, UM, PER YEAR.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO THE BALLOT BOX, THEY BELIEVE THAT WE ARE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON HOW WE'RE UTILIZING OUR STAFFING.
I ALSO DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE DATA FROM 20 YEARS AGO.
UM, BUT ALSO THERE WERE THINGS THAT DIDN'T EXIST 20 YEARS AGO.
THERE WERE NOT THE SAME TECHNOLOGIES WE HAVE TODAY.
MAYBE NOT THE SAME WAY TO BUILD EFFICIENCIES.
THERE WERE NOT CRISIS RESPONSE UNITS BEING UTILIZED ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND SO, AGAIN, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF
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WE'RE ADDING FOUR STAFF, WHICH I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM OBJECTS TO ADDING FOUR STAFF.I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDING THE RIGHT FOUR.
UM, LOOK, WITH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, UH, IN SITTING HERE AND, AND MAKING A DECISION ON THIS, I DON'T HAVE, UH, ANY ISSUES, ANY ISSUES AT ALL IN, UH, SUPPORTING THE ASK OF OUR POLICE CHIEF AND SUPPORTING THE ASK OF THE CITY MANAGER.
IF, IF TIME AND, AND CONSULTING IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, AND THEY'RE THE EXPERTS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY, THEN UH, THAT'S WHAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
AND IF, IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO, UM, WHO WANTS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME ABOUT THAT, THEN I WOULD CERTAINLY POINT THEM IN THE DIRECTION OF THIS CONVERSATION AND WHAT OUR POLICE CHIEF AND WHAT OUR CITY MANAGERS ASKED FOR.
AND I WOULD ALSO SAY TOO, THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE BROUGHT MR. ZICK HERE WAS BECAUSE OF HIS EXPERIENCE AND HIS WORK IN PUBLIC SAFETY AND WHAT HE'S DONE IN THE PAST.
I THINK HE'S EXPLAINED, I THINK SOME OF THESE REVIEWS AND THINGS THAT HE'S DONE, THEY, SOME OF 'EM HAVE TAKE IT LONGER.
BUT CLEARLY YOU'VE DONE SOME VERY IN-DEPTH, UH, STUDY AND WORK, UH, REGARDING DIFFERENT PUBLIC SAFETY AREAS THAT YOU'VE, THAT YOU'VE BEEN TO OR IN OTHER CITIES THAT YOU'VE WORKED.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO HAVE THOSE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT, ABOUT WHY MY DECISIONS, WHAT IT IS.
BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM BACKING UP OUR POLICE CHIEF AND OUR CITY MANAGER.
AND AT THIS TIME, UH, I, I WOULD OBJECT AGAINST MOVING IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
AND AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE DATA BACK, THEN WE WILL, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD HIRING THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT IS NECESSARY.
MAYOR, ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UM, YOUR OBJECTION IS ONE OF THE FIVE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR? WELL, I THINK AS WE TYPICALLY DO THAT, IF THE, IF THE VOTE IS TIED, TONY, IS THAT, UM, NO, THAT'S NOT HOW WE'VE DONE THAT.
WELL, IT'S NOT MAJORITY IF IT'S TIED, IT'S NOT A MAJORITY.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S HOW WE, WE'VE DONE IT IN SEVERAL OTHER INSTANCES IN THE PAST IS LIKE THE MAYOR HAS BROKEN THE TIE IN TERMS OF THE OBJECTION OR NOT.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN ONE TIME IN WORK SESSION AND IT'S RELATIVELY NEW.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW THE MAYOR WAS A REGULAR VOTING MEMBER COUNCIL.
SO FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS OBJECTIONS, YOU KNOW, WELL, HE COUNSEL, BUT THEN AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WASN'T ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
HE, BECAUSE HE KNEW THIS WAS GONNA HAPPEN.
COUNSEL, I MEAN, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE WOULD JUST BE TO RE GO BACK TO YOUR MOTION AND, AND HAVE A VOTE ON IT, UM, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, UM, TO AMEND THE AGENDA.
THE COUNCIL MEETING HASN'T STARTED YET.
SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION AND SECOND THAT TO PUT IT ON THE, ON THE AGENDA IN, IN HOWEVER FASHION THAT YOU WANT IT TO LOOK, THEN WE CAN DO THAT.
IT'S BEEN AN OPTION SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU DO THAT IN THAT MEETING RATHER THAN THIS MEETING BECAUSE YES, THAT'S THAT, AND THAT'S THE VOTING MEETING, JUST MM-HMM.
SO WE, WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR A BRIEF EXECUTIVE SESSION IN THIS MEETING BEFORE.
SO IT'S 6 0 4, BUT WE DO NEED A BRIEF EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, AT THE END OF THIS MEETING BEFORE MOVING ON TO THE ACTUAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, SO IT'D BE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR DISCUSSIONS WITH AN ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY CONCERNING DISPUTES THAT ARE THE SUBJECT OF PEN PENDING OR IMMINENT COURT ACTION.
ANY DISCUSSION? MS. BAKER? YES.
SO WE'LL COME BACK OUT AT THE END OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ANNOUNCE WHETHER ANY ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN.
SO BEFORE WE ACTUALLY CLOSE OUT OUR WORK SESSION AND BEGIN OUR COUNCIL MEETING, UH, WE'VE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND, UH, THOSE ACTION DECIDED TO, UM, PLACE A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE, UH, ADDITIONAL PROPERTY FOR OUR WELL FIELD, UH, FOR THE CITY'S WATER, UH, TO THIS AGENDA THIS EVENING.
SO WE WILL BE ADDING THAT ON TO THE COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA, WHICH IS GONNA START HERE VERY SHORTLY.
SO IT IS NOW SIX 13 AND OUR WORK SESSION IS NOW ADJOURNED.