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[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
WELCOME TO THE CITY OF PAPER HEIGHTS, CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.TODAY'S DATE IS SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT SIX O'CLOCK.
THIS MEETING'S OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER COUNTY CALL REAL POLICE.
UH, NO EXCUSES NECESSARY, BUT, UH, RICHARD DID EMAIL AND LET US KNOW THAT HE WOULD NOT BE ATTENDING THIS EVENING.
AND DID YOU ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO EXCUSE OR DO YOU NOT GET? OH, WE DON'T NEED ONE FOR, YEAH.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE SECOND ITEM NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.
[2. Approval Of Minutes]
APPROVAL OF MINUTES.ITEM TWO A IS FROM THE AUGUST 22ND, 2023 WORK SESSION.
UH, THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED THERE.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? NOT THOSE MINUTES FOR STANDARD APPROVED.
NOT SEEING ANY OF THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THE WORK SESSION, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING AND, AND MOVE TO THIS SEA MANAGER REPORT, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, WE'VE GOTTEN NOTICE THAT, UM, ANDY, OUR BOND COUNSEL AND WHO IS GONNA BE HERE TONIGHT TO GO OVER SOME OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS, ALONG WITH DAVE, THE LAW DIRECTOR, IS, UH, IN A STUCK IN TRAFFIC ON 75 DUE TO AN ACCIDENT.
SO, WOULD THERE BE ANY OBJECTIONS TO REARRANGING THE ORDER, UH, THIS EVENING OF THE AGENDA ITEMS TO ALLOW, UH, UH, ITEM THREE B TO MOVE LATER, UH, IN THE AGENDA ONCE HE'S HERE? RIGHT.
SO WE'LL MOVE, WE'LL MOVE THAT AROUND TO MAKE SURE ANDY'S HERE BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT.
[ City Manager Report]
SO NEXT UP WILL BE ITEM THREE A, WHICH IS THE MANAGER REPORT.A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR, UH, COUNSEL IN THE COMMUNITY THIS EVENING.
UH, FIRST, LATER THIS EVENING, UH, THE CITY WILL BEGIN ITS PORTION OF THE OLD TROY PIKE WIDENING PROJECT.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL LANE, UH, FROM JUST NORTH OF STARBUCKS, EXCUSE ME, JUST SOUTH OF STARBUCKS, NORTH TO THE EASTBOUND ON RAMP FOR I 70.
UH, THE CITY'S TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT CALLS FOR TWO LANES OF TRAVEL TO BE MAINTAINED IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
HOWEVER, SEVERAL UTILITIES ARE CURRENTLY MANAGING ONGOING PROJECTS IN THIS AREA.
TEMPORARY LANE CLOSURES LIKE THE ONE WE HAD TODAY, UH, REDUCING TRAFFIC TO ONE LANE OF TRAVEL MAY OCCUR AS A RESULT OF THOSE PROJECTS, BUT THOSE LANE CLOSURES ARE OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE CITY'S PROJECT AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
UH, ALSO WANNA MAKE, UH, COUNSEL AWARE THAT, UH, WE HAVE, UH, FINAL INTERVIEWS FOR THE POSITION OF PARKS MANAGER THIS WEEK.
UH, AND A FINALIST IS EXPECTED TO BE IDENTIFIED NEXT WEEK FROM THE POOL OF CANDIDATES, UH, THAT WE RECEIVED.
UH, INTERNAL DEMOLITION OF THE SOUTH BUILDING OF CR DAYTON IS ALSO BEGINNING TODAY.
UH, AND THAT IS ONE WEEK AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
UH, SPEAKING OF SCHEDULING, UH, WE, UH, ARE, UH, RECENTLY, UM, ENTERED INTO CONTRACT WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.
UH, WE DID EXECUTE THAT CONTRACT, UH, AGAIN TODAY.
AND THIS PROJECT, UH, IS FOR THE WALKING PATH IN TOM CLOUD PARK.
SO WE'LL BEGIN THAT PROJECT HERE SHORTLY.
LAST WEEK STAFF MET WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM L W C ARCHITECTURE TO APPROVE FINAL SIDING OF THE GOVERNANCE AND SENIOR CENTER OVER AT THE MEADOWS, UH, FINAL CONCEPT SITE PLAN, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, AN ENTIRE, UH, REPRESENTATION OF THE PROJECT AREA.
AND ELEVATIONS ARE BEING DRAFTED CURRENTLY FOR VISUAL DEMONSTRATIONS TO COUNCIL, AS WELL AS TO THE SENIORS.
ONCE COMPLETE, THOSE DRAWINGS WILL BE PROVIDED TO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, AND A MEETING WILL BE HELD WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF THE, UH, SENIOR COMMUNITY TO REVIEW ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP.
UH, WE CURRENTLY REMAIN ON SCHEDULE FOR A 2025 OPENING.
AND THEN, UH, FINALLY, DID WANT TO, UH, REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS WEEKEND IS THE CITY'S ANNUAL MARIGOLD FESTIVAL ON SATURDAY, AND THAT'S UP AT THE IKE AT, UH, 86 25 GRAND PIKE.
THIS YEAR'S EVENT WILL FEATURE A KIDS ZONE, UH, 50 PLUS VENDORS, HALF A DOZEN FOOD TRUCKS, AND LIVE MUSIC BEGINNING AT FOUR.
THE MARIGOLD FESTIVAL KICKS OFF AT 11:00 AM AND WILL LAST TILL 7:00 PM ALL ARE WELCOME.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR COUNSEL, SIR, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME.
ANY QUESTIONS? NANCY? UH, BRIAN, UM, ON THE WALKING PATH IN CLOUD PARK, UH, CAN YOU GIVE ME, UM, A LITTLE HISTORY? I KNOW THAT, UM, THAT WE HAD, AND THIS MAY PRECEDE YOU IN YOUR CURRENT POSITION, BUT I THINK YOU WERE HERE.
UM, WE HAD ORIGINALLY RECEIVED A GRANT THROUGH, UM, M V R P C, CORRECT.
AND THEN THAT GRANT WAS CANCELED.
UM, AND, UM, I, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHY IT WAS CANCELED? UH, THE ISSUE WERE THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PARTICULAR GRANT IN RETURN FOR THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT.
UH, WERE NOT APPEALING TO VENDORS, SO WE WERE NOT RECEIVING VENDORS BASED ON, UH, THOSE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE SWITCHED THE PROJECT FROM, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL SOURCE.
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CMAC, BUT THAT COULD BE WRONG, UH, FROM ITS ORIGINAL FUNDING SOURCE TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.AND THAT'S WHY WE MADE THAT CHANGE.
WE RECEIVED A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.
WE JUST ENTERED INTO THE CONTRACT TO BEGIN THE PROJECT TODAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, DON.
UH, BRIAN, DO WE HAVE ANY GUESSTIMATE AS TO HOW LONG THE UNDERGROUND CONTRACTING THE OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS, UH, WILL BE ON TROY PIKE AND MERRILEE? WAY FROM THE UPDATE THAT WE RECEIVED EARLIER TODAY? UH, THEY WERE RUNNING THE LAST SECTION FROM WHAT IS MERRILEE THROUGH BP UP TO THE APRON.
SO THEY SHOULD BE DONE, IF NOT TODAY, THEY'LL BE DONE TOMORROW MORNING AND THEN THEY'LL BE MOVING OVER TO, UH, WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD AND WORKING THAT WAY.
SO, UH, THEY SHOULD BE OFF THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE ONCE WE BEGIN GETTING INTO THE, THE NONE OF OUR PROJECT.
SO TONIGHT WILL BE, UH, THE UPDATED STRIPING IN ADVANCE OF THE ACTUAL, UM, SHIFTING OF TRAFFIC PATTERNS TO, TO GET OUR PROJECT ROLLING.
SO THEY SHOULD BE, UM, IF NOT TOMORROW, UM, ON, LET'S SEE, TODAY'S TUESDAY, SO THURSDAY, IF THEY'RE NOT OFF OF, UH, ROY PIKE, UH, TOMORROW, THEY'LL BE OFF ON THURSDAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU.
AND, UH, ANDY IS NOT HERE YET, SO WE WILL MOVE PAST ITEM THREE B AND WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM, WE'LL BYPASS THREE C.
IS THAT OKAY AS WELL, JIM? I MEAN, FROM THE SUPPLEMENTALS UNTIL HE GETS HERE? OR DO, OR IS THERE SOMETHING YOU DO SO ELSE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THREE D SOMEONE PULLING IN RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T DUNNO IF THAT'S, SO WE ON TOLD IT'S ONLY GONNA BE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES LATER.
IT, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO GO FOR THE VIDEO AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO INDEX IT ALL.
SO, SO WE DON'T WANNA TAKE MAYBE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
LET'S SEE IF THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S HIM RIGHT THERE.
SO LET'S GIVE HIM A FEW MINUTES TO GET IN BEFORE WE JUST START GETTING INTO THE, INTO THE MEAT OF THAT.
WE'LL TAKE, UH, MAYBE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS HERE FOR A MINUTE.
WAIT FROM HIM TO GET IN HERE, AND THEN WE'LL JUST BE ABLE TO KEEP EVERYTHING IN ORDER.
SO AT 6 0 9, WE'LL COME BACK FROM A RECESS AND WE'RE NOW AT
[ Issuance Of Notes - Various Amounts * Refunding - Fire Station - $1,800,000]
ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE ISSUANCE OF NOTES IN VARIOUS AMOUNTS.SO JIM WILL LET YOU, UH, INTRODUCE OUR BOND COUNCIL, ANDY, AND, UM, KIND OF SET US UP FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, TONIGHT, UH, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS, UH, SEVERAL PROPOSED NOTE ISSUES.
AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BRING BACK OUR MUNICIPAL ADVISOR, ANDY BROKAR, FROM BRADLEY PAYNE ADVISORS.
UH, HE WAS LAST WITH US, UH, BACK IN 2020.
UH, AND, UH, ANYTIME WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, DEBT TO ISSUE, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOOD FOR HIM TO COME IN AND, UH, DESCRIBE FOR YOU WHAT THE MARKET CONDITIONS ARE, UH, REASONS FOR CHOOSING, UH, CERTAIN LENGTH OF DEBT, WHETHER IT BE SHORT TERM AS A NOTE OR LONGER TERM IN BONDS AND THE TIMING AND, UH, MORE THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, UH, SEVERAL CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT I HAVE BROUGHT BEFORE THAT, UH, YOU HAVE DESIRED.
AND, UH, I HAVE TOLD YOU ABOUT, UH, UH, INTERMEDIATE FUNDING THAT I'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT TEMPORARY FUNDING.
UH, SOME OF THESE ARE FUNDINGS LIKE, UH, ADVANCES FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
AND I SAID THAT LATER IN THE YEAR, WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AND, UH, TALK ABOUT, UH, LONG-TERM FINANCING, UH, THROUGH DEBT ISSUES.
AND SO I BROUGHT ANDY HERE TONIGHT TO, UM, GIVE YOU SOME, UM, INFORMATION AND, UH, THERE'LL BE TIME FOR, UH, QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.
ANDY, ANDY, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
SO, UH, THINK WE'VE ALL DONE THAT A TIME OR TWO
UM, ANYWAY, UH, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
UH, WE ARE IN A DIFFERENT MARKET THAN WE WERE BACK IN 2020.
IF YOU RECALL, WE, UH, THE CITY REALLY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF SOME INTEREST RATES WAY BACK AND, UH, AND REFINANCED TO SOME DEBT.
UM, THE MARKET'S A BIT DIFFERENT.
IT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A LOT OF CHATTER GOING ON IN TERMS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH INTEREST RATES.
UM, IT'S NOT THE WORST LEVEL IT'S EVER BEEN AT, ALTHOUGH IT FEELS LIKE THAT WHEN YOU'VE COME OFF INTEREST RATES THAT WERE AT BASICALLY 2% FOR 30 YEARS.
UM, BUT WE'RE STILL SEEING VOLUME COME THROUGH.
UH, THE CHART, IT'S ALSO IN YOUR PACKETS IS, UM, IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK TO, UM, UH, THE EARLY NINETIES.
AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS OUR INDEX WE USED ON EVERY, UH, EVERY CLOSING DATE.
UH, AND AS I SPOKE OF WHEN WE WERE BACK IN 2020 AND DID SOME, SOME REFINANCINGS, UH, WE'VE GONE FROM THE 2% LEVEL, WHICH WE'RE AT NOW, CURRENTLY RIGHT AROUND THAT THREE POINT A HALF, 4% RANGE WHEN IT COMES TO A 20 YEAR BORROWING.
SO JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT AS TO WHERE INTEREST RATES ARE AT AND HISTORICALLY WHERE THEY'VE BEEN, UH, GOING BACK 20 SOME YEARS AGO WHEN THEY WERE AT 6%.
THIS NEXT CHART WE LIKE TO SHOW, BECAUSE IT REALLY LAYS OUT FOR, UM,
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FOLKS TO TAKE A, A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED.AND THE GRAY BARS, UH, IS THE, IS THE RANGE, THE INTEREST RATES HAVE BEEN, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL THE YIELD CURVE.
AND SO THE YIELD CURVE GOES FROM ONE TO 30 OR ONE TO 40 YEARS.
AND EACH INDIVIDUAL, UH, YEAR HAS AN INTEREST RATE.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE GRAY BAR, IT'S GONE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS LOW AS ALMOST 0% IN THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS ALL THE WAY OUT, UH, TO THE 30TH YEAR.
THE, UM, THE, THE DOTTED LINE DOWN BELOW, AND I'M HORRIBLE WITH COLORS.
BUT THE DOTTED LINE DOWN BELOW IS, IS THE, UH, AREA WE'RE AT BACK IN JANUARY OF 2022.
THE GREEN LINE IS WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, AND YOU CAN SEE THEY TALK ABOUT THE INVERSION OF THE YIELD CURVE.
THE, THE, THE FRONT END IS HIGHER THAN, THAN PARTS OF THE, THE REST OF THE CURVE.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE, BUT WE'RE STILL BELOW THE AVERAGE.
AND SO IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, FINANCINGS, IT'S NOT THE EXTREME.
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING WITH A LOT OF OUR FINANCINGS IS MAKING SURE THAT, UM, IF THERE IS A BOND ISSUE DONE, WE MAKE SURE THERE'S A CALL OPTION.
SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, WHICH THIS CITY AND THIS COMMUNITY HAS DONE MANY TIMES OVER TAKING ADVANTAGE OF INTEREST RATES, UH, IN TERMS OF TRYING TO, TO REINVEST OR REISSUE AND REFINANCE WHEN YOU CAN.
SO, UM, JUST TWO MORE CHARTS FOR YOU, OR TWO, ONE MORE CHART.
UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS, UH, JIM'S BEEN INVESTING
SO WE'RE SEEING INVESTMENT INCOME COME BACK IN, IN A STRONG WAY, AND I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THIS A WHOLE LOT, BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE THE GREEN LINE IS WHERE THE AVERAGE WE'RE AT, UM, UH, RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF, UH, REINVESTMENT RATES.
AND SO WE, WE TOSS THIS IN HERE BECAUSE, UH, WE HAVE SEEN THE, THE, UH, FOLKS OFTEN ASK, WHY, WHY DO I, WHY SHOULD I BORROW NOW IF I'VE GOT CASH ON HAND? UH, THE REASON IS BECAUSE YOU'RE ABLE TO FINALLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME, I THINK IN 15, MAYBE 10 YEARS, IS TO ACTUALLY EARN MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE BORROWING.
AND WE HADN'T SEEN THAT FOR THE LONGEST TIME.
IT WAS THE OPPOSITE TREND FOREVER.
UM, AND SO NOW THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT CASH BALANCES THAT CAN INVEST, UH, IT'S REALLY A STRATEGIC TIME TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, YOUR INVESTMENTS ARE YIELDING GOOD RETURNS, WHICH THEY ARE.
UH, AND THEN YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BORROWINGS WHEN YOU CAN, IF YOU, IF YOU NEED TO GO THAT ROUTE.
ONE LAST, UH, CHART HERE FOR YOU, AND THIS, THIS CHART IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE, UH, WHAT WE CALL THE ONE YEAR NOTE MARKET HAS BEEN.
THEY, THEY REFER TO IT AS THE MIG ONE.
IT'S THE MOODY'S INVESTMENT GRADE RATING.
IT'S THE HIGHEST, UH, RATING YOU CAN GET FOR A, A BAN ISSUANCE.
UM, AND THIS IS THE CHART THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA SEE THE MOST DRAMATIC CHANGE WE HAVE SEEN, THE MOST DRAMATIC CHANGE, BUT IT WILL ONCE, UH, ONCE THE INFLATION ENVIRONMENT GETS BACK IN CONTROL, THIS IS THE CHART YOU'RE GONNA SEE DROP SIGNIFICANTLY ON THE FRONT END, WHICH IS CAN LEADING TO SOME OF OUR STRATEGY DISCUSSION TONIGHT ABOUT THE ISSUANCE AND WHAT WE WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE STAYING IN BANDS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UM, IS BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT TO REVERSE ITSELF ONCE INFLATION IS IN CHECK.
I'M GONNA PAUSE THERE FOR A SECOND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MARKET IN GENERAL.
UM, THE NEXT SLIDE WE'RE GONNA WALK INTO IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A REFRESHER ON YOUR CREDIT RATING.
I GUESS, AND IF I MAY, UH, WHY, WHY WOULD WE ASSUME THAT INFLATION IS SOON TO BE IN CHECK? WELL, I'M NOT ASSUMING ANYTHING, UH, BUT IF IT EVER DOES GET IN CHECK, THAT'S GONNA CHANGE QUICKLY, UH, FOR US, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, IT'S HARD TO SAY, RIGHT? AND, AND, UM, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I THINK OHIO'S IN A UNIQUE, UNIQUE SPOT IN THE FACT THAT IF THERE IS A RECESSION, I, I PERSONALLY, I'M NOT A BELIEVER THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE AN IMPACT RELATIVE TO, TO RECESSION, GIVEN WHAT'S GOING ON WITH INTEL, GIVEN WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE SUPPLIERS SOON TO BE ANNOUNCED, UH, AND WHATEVER OTHER MEGA PROJECTS MIGHT BE FLOATING AROUND OUT IN THE AREA.
UM, SO I MEAN, IF THEY DO GET INFLATION IN LEVEL AT, AT THE, THE NATIONAL LEVEL, THAT'S WHERE WE'LL SEE THE, THE GREATEST IMPACT UPFRONT, WHICH BY THE WAY, ALSO THEN COMES INTO PLAY.
AND I KNOW JIM HAS THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH HIS INVESTMENT ADVISORS, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE ON THE REINVESTMENT, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT MAY BE SHORT ON THE REINVESTMENT YIELD AT SOME POINT IN TIME THAT, THAT, THAT THOUGHT PROCESS IS GONNA MOVE OVER TO SAY, HEY, LET'S GO A LITTLE BIT LONGER OUT ON THE YIELD CURVE TO LOCK IN MAYBE A 5% INTEREST RATE AT A, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE YEAR SPOT INSTEAD OF SHORTER RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE STAR OHIO IS YIELDING WHAT, FIVE AND FIVE AND HALF, FIVE AND A HALF PERCENT, UH, RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'LL SEE IT IF IT, IF IT DOES GET IN, IN CHECK.
LET'S TALK, UH, JUST REFRESHER ABOUT YOUR CREDIT RATING.
UH, IF, IF WE COULD BEFORE WE GET INTO THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION.
SO, UM, IN TERMS OF THE, THE CREDIT RATINGS FOR THE CITY THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF 'EM OUT THERE.
UM, YOU'VE GOT YOUR GENERAL OBLIGATION RATING, AND THAT'S A AA THREE.
AND SO THERE'S THREE MAJOR RATING AGENCIES, IF YOU RECALL, MOODY'S STANDARD AND PORS AND FITCH.
UM, AND WE'VE GOT SOME ON BOTH END OF THE, OF
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BOTH WITH WHAT BOTH COMPANIES, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, I THINK SWITCH OVER OVER TIME TO, TO, TO TAKE A BETTER ADVANTAGE OF THE VIEWPOINT OF OHIO.AND THAT REALLY RELATES TO, UH, PENSION OBLIGATIONS AND THE UNFUNDED, UH, AMOUNTS THAT ARE THERE AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT, THAT YOU CAN'T CONTROL, BUT THEY, THEY ULTIMATELY HURT YOU WHEN IT COMES TO CREDIT RATINGS.
BUT, UM, WHAT YOU SEE UP THERE IS THAT YOUR, YOUR GENERAL OBLIGATION RATING IS AA THREE.
UH, YOUR INCOME TAX REVENUE RATING IS A DOUBLE A MINUS, SO IT'S THE SAME LEVEL ON THE S AND P LEVEL, UM, RATING.
UM, AND THEN YOUR WATER RATING IS A ONE.
AND SO, AND THEN YOUR, UM, THEN YOU GOT DOUBLE A FLAT AS WELL.
SO THOSE ARE REALLY, I, I, I POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY GOOD CREDIT RATINGS FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THIS IN TERMS OF YOUR, WHAT THEY CALL THEIR SCORECARD, IF YOU WILL.
UM, A GREAT DEAL OF ITS DEMOGRAPHICS, SIZE OF THE CITY GROWTH.
UM, OTHER AREAS ARE FUND BALANCE LEVELS, UH, ALSO, UH, DEBT LIMIT, DEBT LIMITS, AND WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, WHAT TYPE OF DEBT YOU HAVE.
AND, AND THIS COMMUNITY HAS, HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF WHEN DEBT IS ISSUED, THERE'S A LOT OF REVENUE STREAMS THAT ARE GOING TO PAY IT BACK INSTEAD OF THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, AND THOSE ARE ALL GREAT IMPACTS.
NOW, LEVY RENEWALS AS WELL WOULD IMPACT, UH, CREDIT RATINGS AS WELL.
SO THEY, THEY WATCH THESE THINGS CLOSELY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, A LEVY, A LEVY MAY NOT BE RENEWED, OR WHEN YOU START TO SEE DETERIORATING FUND BALANCE LEVELS, THEY MAY CALL YOU AND SAY, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? WE NEED TO RE REEVALUATE THIS AGAIN, UH, TO SEE WHAT SORT, WHAT SORT OF SUPPORT IS THERE FROM THE COMMUNITY TO, TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE, THE GOVERNMENT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, GOOD FACTORIES THERE.
UH, WE DON'T SEE ANY CONCERNS AT THIS PRESENT TIME.
UM, REALLY HASN'T CHANGED A WHOLE LOT SINCE WE LAST SPOKE.
UH, WE PUT IN A COUPLE SLIDES IN HERE JUST TO GIVE YOU A FEEL FOR YOUR, YOUR DEBT AND, UM, AND WHAT'S BEING AMORTIZED OVER TIME.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS YOUR, THIS IS YOUR L T G O, YOUR LIMITED TAX, GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT.
UM, NOW AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE HAVE, AND I CAN REMEMBER RECALL A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE CAME AND WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE WHOLE CHART OF YOUR DEBT.
AND WE CAN UPDATE THAT AGAIN FOR YOU AS WELL.
WHAT'S BEING PAID BACK BY WHAT REVENUE SOURCE AND, UH, BUT IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT WE LOOK AT AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH YOUR SUGGESTED, UM, UH, BORROWING PLANS COMING UP, ANYTIME THAT WE CAN UTILIZE THE LIMITED TAX GENERAL OBLIGATION OF THE CITY TO FINANCE A PROJECT THAT'S THE BEST CHEAPEST FORM OF DEBT YOU COULD ISSUE.
AND SO, UM, THE CITY HAS HAD SOME WATER REVENUE DEBT IN THE PAST.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DONE FOR A CERTAIN REASON.
BUT, UM, HERE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS ISSUED BY THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE REVENUE STREAMS SPRINKLED THROUGH THOSE BORROWINGS TO PAY TO PAY THOSE BACK.
YOU CAN SEE THE REASON FOR THE, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, BORROWINGS WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT THAT'S HAVING TO BE REFINANCED IS, UH, UP IN THERE, WHICH GIVES YOU THAT SORT OF, THAT ILLUSION, IF YOU WILL, OF, OF A HIGHER DEBT SERVICE AMOUNTS BECAUSE THAT'S BEING REFINANCED IN, IN TONIGHT'S, UH, UH, PROPOSAL.
THE FIRE STATION, YES, YOUR WATER DEBT.
UM, HERE'S A SNAPSHOT OF THE WATER DEBT IN TERMS OF, UM, OVERTIME AND, AND THE REPAYMENT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S HAPPENING WITH THOSE, THOSE ISSUES, UH, YOU GOTTA DROP OFF THERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE INCOME TAX REVENUE DEBT, WHICH IS PRETTY FLAT, UM, IN THIS START BY THE WAY, IS A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF REALLY SORT OF HOW WE, WE ISSUE THE DEBT IN THE MARKETPLACE.
THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL LEVEL DEBT SERVICE.
SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY NORMAL WAY TO DO THIS, UH, FOR COMMUNITIES.
UH, YOU SEE THE PRINCIPLE IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER IN THE FRONT AND STARTS GET MORE AND MORE IN IN THE BACK END, BUT, UM, THAT'S YOUR INCOME TAX DEBT.
THAT'S, UH, ON THE SCREEN THERE, I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST QUICKLY, YOUR, YOUR DEBT LIMITATIONS.
UM, UP ON THE SCREEN IS YOUR DIRECT DEBT LIMITATION.
AND, AND THIS IS BASED UPON, UH, OHIO REVISED CODE AND ALSO YOUR ASSESSED VALUATION.
AND SO, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, OBLIGATIONS IN YOUR DIRECT DEBT THAT YOU'VE ISSUED THAT IS EXEMPTED OUT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, BASICALLY, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT CHART, YOU MIGHT SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT MORE DEBT THAN THIS.
WELL, IT'S BECAUSE A LOT OF IT'S EXEMPTED BECAUSE IT'S GOT A REVENUE STREAM DEFINED TO IT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THE TIF REVENUE DEBT THAT'S OUT THERE, IF IT'S SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO PAY FOR DEBT SERVICE, IT DOES NOT GET INCLUDED IN YOUR DIRECT DEBT LIMITATION.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S OFTEN EXEMPTED OUT.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE, THE ONE THAT IS, UH, REALLY NOT THAT I DON'T KNOW, IMPACTFUL IN TERMS OF
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MANAGING WHAT YOU ALL DO WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, REVIEWING DEBT OBLIGATIONS.UH, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY EXEMPTIONS TO IT BECAUSE OF THE, THE THE REVENUE STREAM EXEMPTION.
THE NEXT ONE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS THE 10 MIL, UH, LIMITATION.
AND THIS ONE GETS A BIT CONFUSING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, UM, YOUR LEVYING OR, OR THE, THE COUNTY AUDITOR IS LEVYING 10 MILLS OF, OF TAXES TO BE COLLECTED, UH, WITH, USUALLY IN EVERY JURISDICTION.
IT'S VERY ODD IF IT'S NOT THE FULL 10 MILLS THAT IS THE, UH, PROPERTY TAXES THAT THAT'S BEING LEVIED WITHOUT A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE.
AND SO THERE'S THE CONCEPT AS WELL FOR UN VOTED DEBT THAT WITHIN A, WITHIN A REGION, WITHIN A PROPERTY TAX DISTRICT, IT CAN'T EXCEED MORE THAN 10 MILLS OF, OF UN VOTED, UH, DEBT LIMITATION.
AND THIS IS REALLY RELATED TO, AS THE, THE DIRECT DEBT WAS THE, THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WAS, THAT WAS BORROWED.
SO THE, THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE BOND ISSUE, THIS IS YOUR ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE REQUIREMENT.
AND SO YOU ALSO SHARE THIS WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UH, WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WITH THE CAREER CENTER, UM, MAYBE A FIRE DISTRICT IF YOU HAVE ONE, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S JUST THOSE FOUR THAT OVERLAP WITH YOU.
THIS IS A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE DEBT LIMITATION.
SO IF A SMALLER JURISDICTION OR IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WANTED TO RUN OUT THERE AND ISSUE DEBT, THEY COULD TAKE AWAY YOUR CAPACITY.
AND THAT'S, WE'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN BEFORE.
UH, OR YOU COULD DO THAT TO THE COUNTY TOO.
YOU COULD ROLL UP ENOUGH DEBT AND, AND STOP THE COUNTY FROM BEING ABLE TO BORROW UNDER THE 10 MIL LIMITATION.
UM, USUALLY WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THE COUNTY AUDITOR MIGHT SAY SOMETHING AND SAY, HEY GUYS, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? BECAUSE, UH, IT REALLY NEEDS BE SHARED WITH THE REST OF THE GROUP.
BUT THERE'S ANYTHING HERE THAT WE DON'T SEE AS, AS BEING A, AN ISSUE.
UM, JIM AND I AND, AND CHRIS FRANSON, YOUR BOND COUNSEL DISCUSSED THIS OFTEN.
UM, IT CHANGES EVERY YEAR WITH VALUATION FLUCTUATIONS AND WITH DEBT BEING PAID OFF OVER TIME.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, UH, CHARGE FOR THE VANDALIA BUTLER? CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A VERY LARGE ISSUE OF $310,000.
WHAT? IT'S, THE PAR AMOUNT IS OUTSTANDING.
UM, WE COULD LET YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
IT, IT DOESN'T, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFUSING 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT DEBT LIMITATION FOR OUTVOTED DEBT, IT'S ONE 10TH OF 1%, WHEREAS YOURS IS 5%.
SO THEIR, THEIR ABILITY TO VOTE TO BORROW WITHOUT A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE UNDER THE UN THE OUTVOTED LIMITED TAX OPTION IS VERY LIMITED.
SO YOU VERY RARELY SEE THEM TAKING UP A LARGE PORTION OF YOUR 10 MIL, UH, LIMITATION MM-HMM.
UM, IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING, AN ATHLETIC FACILITY, IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE TRACKS, UH, WHATEVER IT MIGHT'VE BEEN.
BUT USUALLY WHAT YOU SEE THEM REALLY BORROWING FOR IS WHEN THEY ALWAYS HAVE TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE THROUGH A VOTED BOND STRUCTURE.
AND THAT WOULD NOT SHOW UP HERE.
THE, THE VOTED BONDS IS COMPLETELY A DIFFERENT, UH, DEBT LIMITATION STRUCTURE.
AND I, I NEED A, JUST A LITTLE MORE ON THAT ONE.
IT IS VANDALIA BUTLER CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WAS THAT JUST INADVERTENTLY, OR IS THAT AN ERROR? SHOULD THAT NOT BE MAYBE HUBER HEIGHTS CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
IT'S WHOEVER'S USING THE MOST OFF THE 10 MILLS.
SO YOU COULD HAVE A SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH VARIOUS ONE PARCEL, EVEN IT OVERLAPS COUNTY.
IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THAT LIMITATIONS, WE CAN WALK THROUGH, UM, THE NOTE ISSUES THAT, THAT'S BEING, UH, PROPOSED.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE STRATEGY THAT WE'RE UTILIZING HERE IS, UM, IS TO UTILIZE THE NOTE STRUCTURE, UM, BECAUSE WE DO NOT FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
ONE, WE DON'T WANNA GET LOCKED INTO A HIGH INTEREST RATE BOND ISSUE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES WHO ARE, WHO ARE GOING WITH THIS STRATEGY RIGHT NOW TO, TO TRY TO UTILIZE, HOPEFULLY THE INTEREST RATES COMING BACK DOWN, UH, AND THEN MOVING INTO FIXED RATE BONDS LATER ON.
UM, WE'VE HAD COMMUNITIES ISSUE NOTES FOR 20 YEARS FOR ONE ASSET.
THEY, THEY TEND TO LIKE TO BE ON THE SHORTER END OF THE YIELD CURVE.
UM, BUT FOR, FOR, FOR OTHER PURPOSES AS WELL DURING CONSTRUCTION, UM, YOU DON'T WANNA GO OUT AND BORROW THE FULL AMOUNT BECAUSE OF NOT KNOWING WHAT THE FINAL COST IS GONNA BE.
AND IF YOU OVER BORROW, THEN WE'VE GOT I R S ISSUES THAT WE WANNA STAY AWAY FROM.
SO UTILIZING THE NOTE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN, UH, REALLY A, A STRATEGY THAT'S BEEN UTILIZED IN THE PAST HERE AT THIS CITY, UH, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY WE, UH, ARE, ARE ISSUING THE, THE BANS RIGHT NOW.
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UH, JIM, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO STATE ON THAT OR, WELL, THIS, UH, THIS SCREEN IS THE FIRST OF TWO.THIS ONE IS, UM, FIVE OF THE SIX NOTE ISSUES ARE TAX EXEMPT.
SO TAX EXEMPT, UM, YOU WANT TO DESCRIBE THEM ABOUT TAX EXEMPT, ANDY, THAT, UM, YEAH, SO, SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TAX EXEMPT AND TAXABLE? YEAH, SO THERE, THERE'S, UM, RIGHT NOW IN THE MARKET, THERE'S PROBABLY A PERCENT TO A PERCENT AND A HALF DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO TAXABLE VERSUS TAX EXEMPT RATES.
AND SO TAX EXEMPT RATE REALLY GIVES THE PURCHASER THE ABILITY TO NOT PAY INCOME TAX ON THAT, IS WHAT THAT REFERS TO.
AND IT'S, UH, THE CITY'S DONE THAT PLENTY OF TIMES IN THE PAST.
UM, WHEN WE SEE A TAXABLE FINANCING, IT'S USUALLY RELATED TO SOMETHING WITH DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? OR YOU MIGHT HAVE A, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE USE SITUATION.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO ISSUE TAXABLE RATES, UH, UNDER THAT SCENARIO.
SO THE CURRENT STRATEGY THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING TO US, UH, AND ALL THE, UM, THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED HERE, THESE ARE, UM, THE BONDS ARE STRUCTURED IN A WAY THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO COMPROMISE OUR, OUR BOND RATING.
YEAH, THAT, AND THAT'S A A A GREAT POINT.
AS YOU WALK THROUGH, UM, CAN WALK THROUGH THESE AND, AND, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT REPAYMENT SOURCES.
WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL? BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN SEE WITH, UM, SOME OF OUR COMMUNITIES, UH, THAT HAVE ISSUED A LOT OF DEBT, UM, AND HAVE NOT HAD AN IMPACT ON THEIR CREDIT RATING WHATSOEVER BECAUSE IT'S REALLY JUST IT, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS THE REPAYMENT SOURCE, AND THEY WANNA KNOW WHAT IS IT THAT'S GONNA PAY THAT DEBT BACK.
UM, THE MORE THAT YOU PUT INTO YOUR GENERAL FUND, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, IS, IS WHAT MIGHT BE A CONCERN WHEN YOU'VE GOT ELEVATED DEBT LEVELS, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
UM, I USE THE EXAMPLE OF UPPER ARLINGTON, UPPER ARLINGTON'S, AAA RATED, UH, BOTH WITH SS AND P AND MOODY'S.
AND I BELIEVE UPPER ARLINGTON HAS ISSUED MAYBE, UH, CLOSE TO $150 MILLION IN TIFF REVENUE DEBT, UM, THAT WAS EITHER INCOME TAX BACKED OR, UH, SOME SORT OF GENERAL FUND BACKED REVENUE SOURCE.
AND THERE WASN'T AN IMPACT ON THEIR CREDIT RATING WHATSOEVER BECAUSE THEY WERE ONE REINVESTING BACK IN THE COMMUNITY AND MOODY'S SAID, HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IF YOU'VE GOT THAT BALANCE SHEET.
UM, AND THERE WAS REVENUE STREAMS DIRECTLY TIED.
A LOT OF 'EM WERE TIFF REVENUES THAT WERE, WERE, WERE THE RE REPAYMENT SOURCE FOR THAT DEBT.
ANDY, I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE.
SO I SEE THE GENERAL OBLIGATION IS IN GRAY.
CAN YOU GO THROUGH, I SEE FOUR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, GENERAL OBLIGATION, VARIOUS PURPOSES, TAX NON-BANK QUALIFIED.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE Y COLUMN IS A TOTAL, CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THERE'S FIVE DIFFERENT COLORS AND THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES ON THE SPREADSHEET? YES.
COULD YOU REMEMBER THAT WITH US? DIFFERENT CATEGORIES? AND JIM SMACK ME IF I'M, I GET THESE WRONG ON ALL, BUT, UM, SO, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN ISSUED AT DIFFERENT TIMES, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT NEEDS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE USING FOR THESE PURPOSES.
SO THE GENERAL OBLIGATION IS THE GRAY.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING I, SO THE, LIKE, THERE'S FOUR, FIVE CO COLORS AND THERE'S FOUR COLUMNS AT THE TOP.
SO COULD YOU, WHERE'S THE FIFTH COLUMN BESIDE, I UNDERSTAND THE TOTALS AT THE END, BUT WHAT'S THE YELLOW COLUMN? DOES IT NOT MATCH IT UP TO THE SURE.
SO THE COLORS ARE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOURCE OF FUND OR PURPOSE OF FUND OTHER THAN TO BREAK THESE OUT BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, UM, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT, UH, THE GREEN, SO THE GREEN IS, UH, FOR THE GOVERNANCE AND SENIOR CENTER, AND IT'S GONNA BE BROKEN DOWN INTO TWO SEPARATE VAN ISSUANCES.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO BORROW ALL OF THE MONEY TODAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA BORROW THE SECTION THAT WE NEED OR THE AMOUNT THAT WE BELIEVE THAT WE NEED, AND THEN WHEN WE NEED THE NEXT AMOUNT, WE'LL BORROW THAT AMOUNT.
UH, WE'LL BORROW THAT, THAT AMOUNT.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT GREEN, UH, REPRESENTS THE GOVERNANCE CENTER PROJECT, AND IT'S BEEN BROKEN DOWN INTO TWO DRAWS.
THEN THE NEXT COMPONENT IS THE PUBLIC WORKS.
THAT'S THE, THE PINK, UH, IF YOU WILL.
SO THERE'LL BE THREE DRAWS TO FUND THAT PROJECT IN TOTAL OVER TIME.
AND THAT'S BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW TODAY IN THE MARKET.
AND IF SUDDENLY WE SEE BETTER NUMBERS IN THE MARKET, ANDY MAY COME BACK TO US AND SAY, WELL, MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THREE JUST DUE TO, OR, AND OR GO ALL IN.
BUT THE COLOR BREAKDOWN IS BY PROJECT, NOT BY PARTICULAR TYPE OF USE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS, IT'S LIKE THERE'S FOUR COLUMNS AT THE TOP WITH A ACROSS THE TOP.
FOUR LABELS AND THERE WAS FIVE COLUMNS.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS DISCONNECTED.
THE LABELS ARE TOP OF OUR, OUR LINGO.
BECAUSE MAYBE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT DIDN'T GET THAT.
SO MAYBE SOMEONE AT HOME, I ALSO HAVE THAT QUESTIONS.
SO THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT.
YEAH, THE LABELS AT THE TOP APPLY TO ALL FIVE.
SO THEY, THEY'RE ALL GENERAL OBLIGATION.
THEY'RE ALL VARIOUS PURPOSE TAX EXEMPT AND NON-BANK QUALIFIED.
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THANK YOU.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PAGE AT THIS MOMENT? THE, THE LAST PAGE IS, UM, THE SPECIAL OBLIGATION NON-TAX REVENUE, UM, NODE FINANCING.
UH, AND YOU SEE THERE $3 MILLION FOR THE, UM, STRIP CENTER, STRIP MALL RENOVATIONS IN THE, THE BALANCES, THE 4.2, UH, MILLION DOLLARS, UH,
WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS, UM, WE'VE BEEN CARRYING THE DEBT OF THE 4 MILLION 2 62, UH, WHEN WE, UH, STARTED ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY BACK IN 2020.
SO THAT'S THE, WHEN YOU SEE ON THE, UH, AGENDA WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT REFUNDING PLUS NEW MONEY, THE 4 MILLION 2 62 WAS THE REFUNDING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING EACH YEAR.
AND THEN THE, UNTIL WE HAVE A FINAL PROJECT TO COMMIT TO, AND NOW THE 3 MILLION IS WHAT WE'VE PUT IN A COUNCIL JUST APPROVED THAT I BELIEVE A MONTH AGO, UM, FOR THE, UH, RENOVATIONS.
AND SO THOSE TWO TOGETHER ARE THE 7 MILLION 2 62.
SINCE IT IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RELATED PROJECT, IT'S NOT FOR A CITY BUILDING THAT MAKES IT TAXABLE AND NOT TAX EXEMPT.
SO, UM, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT MAYBE TWO MORE POINTS ON THE LEGISLATION.
UM, THERE ARE, YOU'LL SEE IN THE LEGISLATION NOT TO EXCEED INTEREST RATES.
UM, WE DON'T EXPECT TO BE THERE UNLESS SOMETHING CRAZY HAPPENS IN THE MARKETPLACE, BUT, UM, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE IN THE PAST, YOU HAVE TO SET A, A, A CEILING FOR, UM, PASSAGE OF, OF THE, OF THE, UM, NOTE ORANGE.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T, WE'RE NOT ISSUING THE SAME DAY.
WE'VE GOT SOME WORK STILL TO DO.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT FOR BOTH THE TAX EXEMPT NOTE AND THE TAXABLE NOTE.
WE DON'T, AGAIN, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE TAX EXEMPT NOTE, WE WERE SEEING DEALS GET DONE THIS WEEK IN THE, IN THE FOUR 50 RANGE.
AND I THINK THE, THE MAX IN THERE IS 6%, UH, IN THAT RANGE.
SO THE GENERAL FUND IS LIKE OUR SECURITY FUND, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WHEN WE SAY, UM, IN REFERENCE TO, UM, GENERAL OBLIGATION LIMITED TAX.
SO THAT IS, UM, IT DOESN'T REFERENCE THE GENERAL FUND TO BE THE SUPPORTS MECHANISM TO THAT.
IN, IN REALITY, WHAT THAT STANDS FOR IS, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN THE LEGISLATION TOO FOR THE GENERAL OBLIGATION NOTES, UM, THERE'S THE ABILITY TO LEVY ATTACKS IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S NOT A PAYMENT.
THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT STANDS FOR IN TERMS OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BACKSTOP.
NOW YOU CAN UTILIZE THE GENERAL FUND TO MAKE PAYMENTS IF YOU WANT TO, UM, IF THE, IF THERE'S ANOTHER SHORT FOOT FOR A SOURCE THAT'S SHORT AND IN ANY ONE OF THOSE, UH, BUT GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE WATER, THERE'S WATER REVENUES TO REPAY THAT.
IF NOT THERE, YOU COULD, YOU COULD USE THE GENERAL, GENERAL OBLIGATION OR GENERAL FUND TO PAY FOR THAT.
WE DON'T RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE IT'S ENTERPRISE FUND.
BUT, UM, OR, OR THE, THE, THE, UH, THE MEADOWS INFRASTRUCTURE NOTE ISSUE, IF IT WAS SHORT A TIF REPAYMENT, THEN YOU COULD UTILIZE ANOTHER SOURCE TO, TO HELP REPAY THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MAYOR? YES.
UM, IS HE ABOUT, ARE ARE YOU ABOUT DONE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? 'CAUSE IT'S MORE OF A SUMMARY QUESTION I HAVE.
YEAH, I, I'M, I'VE GOT NOTHING ELSE TO COVER IN TERMS OF THE PRESENTATION.
WANNA GO ON A DIFFERENT, OKAY.
UM, THANK YOU ANDY, FOR COMING.
UH, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ARE DEBT SERVICE LIMIT WOULD BE CURRENTLY AN ESTIMATE? THAT WOULD BE HOW MUCH MONEY WE COULD BORROW, UH, IF WE ABSOLUTELY NEEDED TO.
UH, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND RUN THOSE NUMBERS TO SEE, AND, AND AGAIN, I, I THINK IT, IT'S A HARD QUE TO ANSWER BECAUSE THIS COMMUNITY, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DONE SO MUCH RELATED TO TIFF REPAYMENT.
AND SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT ANSWER BY LOOKING AT THE TIFF REVENUE STREAMS AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO DO OTHER PROJECTS.
UM, WE COULD GIVE YOU AN ANSWER ON THE, IF IT WAS HIS GENERAL OBLIGATION, WE COULD GIVE YOU THAT ANSWER, UH, OR INCOME TAX REVENUE BECAUSE, 'CAUSE YOU DO HAVE LIMITATIONS ALSO ON THE INCOME TAX REVENUE SIDE, WE, WE PUT, I GUESS IF YOU WILL, SAFEGUARDS IN THERE FOR THE INVESTORS TO, TO BE, YOU KNOW, COMFORTABLE WITH IT, WHETHER IT'S COVERAGE LIMITATIONS AND THINGS OF, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT TO SEND HERE TODAY, I COULDN'T TELL YOU.
WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND, AND RUN THOSE FIGURES FOR YOU.
AND, UH, WOULD THAT, UH, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND GET THAT? UH, YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT FOR YOU.
AND WHEN YOU DO, COULD YOU KIND OF GIVE
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US A, A GENERAL GUIDELINE OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE FALL AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRETTY GOOD, THIS IS GREAT.OR ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE WORST IS PUT THE FOR SALE SIGN OUT AND PACK YOUR BAGS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? JUST A RANGE WHERE WE FALL AS FAR AS THE OVERALL HEALTH GOT.
I MEAN, HAVE I EXPLAINED THAT? YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MARK.
WHEN, WHAT YEAR WAS IT THAT YOU DID AN ANALYSIS OF OUR FINANCES? WAS IT 2020? UH, IT WAS 2020, YEAH.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD HAVE HIM DO MAYBE IN 24? UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BRING THIS TOGETHER WITH THE, UH, THE INFORMATION WE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES.
I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND IT WOULD BE NICE, ANDY, IF YOU COULD DO A SIMILAR PRESENTATION.
I THINK AT THE LAST PRESENTATION, THE, THE SUMMARY WAS, UH, WE HAD REVENUE STREAM TO COVER THE DEBT THAT WE HAD OUTSTANDING.
UH, AND I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, TO ED'S POINT, I'D LIKE TO GET A CHECK AND BALANCE ON THAT AGAIN.
YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT PRESENTATION WAS DECEMBER OF 20.
I THINK IT WAS LIKE RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
I REMEMBER WE WERE, WE WERE ALL HOME.
SO
AND, AND I GUESS ALSO I, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS WITH ALL OF THIS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T FOUND HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR WATER LINE REPLACEMENT AND STUFF LIKE THIS.
AND HERE WE HAVE ALL THIS ADDITIONAL DEBT AND WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE WATERLINE REPLACEMENT AND HOW WE'RE COMING UP WITH THAT $6 MILLION EVERY 18 MONTHS.
SO THIS KIND OF ALL MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS THAT WE HAVE THIS MANY MOVING PIECES.
WE GOTTA LOOK AT INCREASING, YOU KNOW, POLICE OFFICERS AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.
AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THIS DEBT ON TOP OF IT.
JUST MAKE ME A LITTLE NERVOUS HERE,
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE, UM, TIMING OF ANDY COMING BACK NEXT YEAR, I THINK THAT'LL BE GOOD BECAUSE, UM, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, AS YOU KNOW, UH, I'VE GOT $5 MILLION IN HERE FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA BE, I THINK THE ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW IS A LITTLE OVER 15 MILLION.
SO JUST AS WE DID, UM, WHEN I WAS, WELL, I'VE BEEN FINANCE DIRECTOR NOW FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS.
WHEN WE DID THE MUSIC CENTER, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER I DIDN'T ASK FOR ALL $20 MILLION UPFRONT.
I ASKED FOR IT IN PIECES SO THAT WAY WE'RE NOT PAYING THE, UM, FOUR OR 5% INTEREST ON, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE 15 MILLION RIGHT NOW.
HOPEFULLY, UH, THIS 5 MILLION WILL GET US ABOUT SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND, UH, ASK FOR ANOTHER 5 MILLION JUST AS THE PROJECT'S GOING.
MAYBE, MAYBE IT WON'T BE NEEDED FOR ANOTHER EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS.
UH, UNTIL WE GET INTO THAT, WE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE'VE GOT THE, UH, PROJECT STARTED.
SO I'LL COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN.
UM, UH, I'M ESTIMATING ABOUT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, UH, AT THAT TIME WE'LL BE READY TO, UH, MOVE ON WITH SOME RENOVATIONS, UH, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THE SHEAR RENOVATIONS TO THE FIRE STATION, AS WELL AS TO, UM, UH, CITY HALL AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, UH, WILL, UH, I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK FOR MORE THAN WE NEED RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT YOU SEE UP HERE IS WHAT IS IDENTIFIED AND NEEDED RIGHT NOW.
UH, ALSO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, IT'S ABOUT PAYING BACK THOSE ADVANCES TO THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE AS ANDY WILL TELL YOU, IF WE DON'T PAY BACK THOSE ADVANCES FROM THE GENERAL FUND BEFORE YEAR END, MOODY'S AND STANDARD AND POORS WILL POSSIBLY LOWER OUR CREDIT RATING BASED ON WHAT THEY SEE AS A DROP OF GENERAL FUND.
THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY LOOK AT.
AND, UM, AND THEN ANDY, THE, UH, KIND OF TO COMPLETE THIS, UM, CAN YOU TALK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT THE TIMING, LIKE WHEN YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS TO MARKET? AND, UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, THE PROPOSAL THAT I HAVE BEFORE YOU IS FOR TWO READINGS ON THIS, SO IT WOULDN'T BE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE, UM, THE SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
AND I'D JUST LIKE YOU TO EXPLAIN AS TO, UH, THE PURPOSE BEHIND THAT AND WHEN THE, UH, FINAL NOTES WILL BE, UH, SOLD IN NOVEMBER.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR TIMING ALWAYS WORKS OFF OF WHEN YOU NEED THE CASH AND THEN ALSO WHEN THE NOTES ARE COMING DUE FROM, FROM PREVIOUS, UH, ISSUES THAT WE'VE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF.
SO OUR, OUR TIMING IS DRIVEN FROM THAT DATE, AND WE KIND OF, WE WORK BACKWARDS.
AND SO WE TRY TO FILTER IN AS MUCH READINGS AS, UH, AS IS THE PREFERENCE OF THE COMMUNITY.
SOME COMMUNITIES WILL, WILL DO BY EMERGENCY, UH, UH, OTHERS WILL HAVE ABSOLUTE NO WAY.
WE'RE GONNA DO THE, THE TWO READINGS, THREE READINGS, 30 DAYS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
SO, UH, WE HAVE FACTORED THAT ALL INTO THE SCHEDULE.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS WILL NOT BE AN EMERGENCY.
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IT WOULD BE NON-EMERGENCY TWO READINGS, AND THEN IT GOES INTO EFFECT 30 DAYS AFTER THE, UH, HOPEFUL APPROVAL ON THE 25TH OF SEPTEMBER.UH, AND FOR PRICING, UM, AROUND OCTOBER 26TH, I THINK IT IS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS SCHEDULED.
AND THEN, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE NOTES UNTIL, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE REVENUE UNTIL, UH, NOVEMBER.
AND THAT'S OUR ESTIMATE IS WHEN WE WOULD NEED THESE, UH, THE NEEDS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TONIGHT, UH, TO HAVE THOSE REVENUES COME IN IN NOVEMBER, I NEED IT.
COULD WE GET A, OF ALL THESE PROJECTS, CAN WE GET A LIST OF WHAT OVERALL? 'CAUSE AS YOU SAID, YOU'RE DOING IT IN SEGMENTS, WHAT THE OVERALL COST IS, EVEN IF IT'S DONE IN SEGMENTS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR EACH PROJECT, ALONG WITH SOME, 'CAUSE WE ALL KNOW NOTHING COMES IN ON BUDGET.
CAN WE GET A LIST OF HOW MUCH YOU ANTICIPATE EACH PROJECT COSTING OVERALL, NOT JUST THE FIRST BATCH? YES, THAT'S, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH IT'S ESTIMATED FOR EACH PROJECT TO COMPLETE ANYTHING ELSE.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS WILL INVOLVE SIX SEPARATE ORDINANCES, UH, THAT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY PER FIRST STREET.
SO BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD, IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING, UH, THESE ISSUANCE OF NOTES FOR THOSE VARIOUS AMOUNTS TO THE FIRST READING AT MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.
[ Supplemental Appropriations]
ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.UH, AND, UH, I JUST WANNA THANK ANDY FOR TAKING THE TIME TO DRIVE UP HERE FROM CINCINNATI TO, UH, TO PRESENT TO US.
BEFORE YOU, I HAVE, UH, SEVERAL, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, APPROPRIATIONS.
UM, UH, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH 'EM ONE BY ONE, UH, RATHER QUICKLY.
UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE, UH, GRANTED, UH, MALOTT INDUSTRIES, UH, A, UH, AN EDGE, UM, UH, EDGE GRANT, UH, FROM THE COUNTY.
AND SO THE, UM, IT'S, IT'S TIME TO PAY THAT, UH, TO THEM.
UH, THEY'VE, UM, I THINK MET MOST OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
I THINK WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR, UH, ONE OTHER REQUIREMENT TO BE FINISHED.
SO I WANTED TO COME TO COUNCIL AND MAKE SURE THAT'S BUDGETED TO PAY, UH, WHICH IS $62,400.
UM, WE DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDS YET FROM THE COUNTY, SO I'M ASKING FOR AN ADVANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE EDGE FUND TO BE ABLE TO PRE-FUND, UH, THAT PROJECT, MAKE THAT PAYMENT.
AND THEN, UM, THEN WHEN WE GET THE GRANT FROM THE COUNTY, WE'LL PAY BACK THE GENERAL FUND FOR THAT, UH, ADVANCE.
UH, SIMILAR TO THAT, UM, UH, LATER ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, UM, UH, CHIEF LEY, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT A, UM, A GRANT, A FIREFIGHTER'S ASSISTANT GRANT FOR, UH, FIRE MOBILE AND PORTABLE RADIO EQUIPMENT.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA GET THAT GRANT, BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE, UH, THERE'S A CITY PORTION TO THAT AS WELL AS A GRANT PORTION.
AND SO I'M ASKING, UH, FOR, UH, TOTAL FUNDING OF $412,000, UH, BUT INITIALLY IN ADVANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THAT GRANT FUND OF $374,545 AND 45 CENTS, UH, THAT IS FOR THE GRANT PORTION.
AND THEN AS WE GET THE GRANT MONIES IN, AS THE MONIES ARE SPENT, THOSE, UH, THAT ADVANCE WILL BE PAID BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, THEN THE, UM, I'M ASKING FOR A TRANSFER FROM THE FIRE CAPITAL FUND TO FUND OUR PORTION.
SO I THINK OUR PORTION COMES OUT TO ABOUT 10%.
UH, THAT AMOUNT IS $37,454 AND 55 CENTS.
UH, THAT WOULD ALSO BE TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE FIREFIGHTER'S ASSISTANCE GRANT FUND.
UH, THEN, UH, THE NEXT REQUEST IS FOR $35,000 FOR TEMPORARY STAFFING AND PAYROLL CONSULTING SERVICES FOR THE ACCOUNTING DIVISION, UH, IN MY DEPARTMENT, UH, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
UH, BUT I'M ALSO ASKING THAT, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, UH, SINCE THIS IS FOR POSITIONS THAT WE NEED, UH, TEMPORARY HELP AND CONSULTING HELP, UH, THAT WOULD BE A TRANS, UH, I'M SORRY, AN, AN INTER FUND, UH, INTERDEPARTMENT TRANSFER FROM OUR, UM, SALARY LINE ITEM.
SO THERE'D BE NO IMPACT TO THE BUDGET, IT'S JUST A POSITION'S UNFILLED.
SO WE'VE GOT SALARY AND BENEFITS THAT WERE BUDGETED FOR THAT POSITION.
AND AS IT WENT UNFILLED, I'M ASKING FOR TEMPORARY HELP TO, UH, HELP, UH, FILL THOSE POSITIONS UNTIL THEY ARE FILLED.
AND SO IT'D BE NO IMPACT TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S A, UM, TRANSFER WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, SAME FOR THE TAX DIVISION.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, CURRENTLY THREE OPEN POSITIONS AT THE TAX DIVISION.
AND, UH, SO THE ESTIMATE AND THESE ESTIMATES ARE TO GET THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO $28,015, UH, TO HAVE SOME TEMPORARY
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STAFFING DOWN ITS TAX DIVISION.UM, ONCE AGAIN, UM, PULLING THAT FROM THE SALARY LINE ITEM, WHICH, UH, IN ORDER TO, I, I CAN'T DO THAT INTERNALLY.
I HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL WHENEVER IT'S, UH, CROSSING CATEGORIES.
AND THE CATEGORIES ARE PERSONNEL, UH, OPERATIONS, DEBT, AND, UH, TRANSFERS AND ADVANCES ARE THE FOUR CATEGORIES.
SO I'M JUST ASKING FOR A TRANSFER WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
SO NO IMPACT TO THE BUDGET ON THAT ONE EITHER.
UH, NEXT ITEM IS, UH, REQUEST FROM OUR IT DIRECTOR, UH, BRANDON PEYTON FOR $88,500 FOR THE PURCHASE OF COMPUTERS AND SERVERS FOR MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, AND ALSO A VIDEO CAMERA SYSTEM FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
UH, NEXT ITEM IS, UH, $15,200, UH, INCREASE IN THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS FOR A SIB LOAN.
AND THIS IS OUR DEBT SERVICE FOR THE SIB LOAN.
THE SIB LOAN WAS OBTAINED FOR, UM, CARRIAGE TRAILS, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO AS CARRIAGE TRAILS, UH, DEBT COMES TO US WITH MORE DRAWS FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, UM, AS WE INCREASE THE AMOUNT THAT WE PAY ON THAT, THEN THE, UH, DEBT SERVICE FOR THE CIVIL LOAN GOES UP.
SO YOU MIGHT SEE ME COME BACK, UM, A COUPLE TIMES DURING THE YEAR AND ASK FOR, UH, AN INCREASE IN THE DEBT SERVICE.
UH, SO WE'RE ONLY PAYING RIGHT NOW DEBT SERVICE ON WHAT THE CURRENT DRAWS ARE.
SO AS THE DRAWS GO UP, I HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR ADDITIONAL DEBT SERVICE.
AND FINALLY, UM, AS YOU KNOW, YOU APPROVED, UH, STREET SWEEPER LEASE EARLIER, UH, THIS YEAR.
AND, UH, AT THAT TIME, OF COURSE, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, UH, WHEN WE PUT SET UP THE 23 BUDGET, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE, UM, UH, INTEREST RATES WOULD BE.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT WAS GONNA BE.
SO WE HAVE A DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT COMING UP IN DECEMBER, AND THAT'S GONNA, WE NEED, UH, $10,750 FOR THAT FIRST INITIAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT ON THE STREET SWEEPER, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS THAT I JUST BROUGHT BEFORE YOU? THANKS, JIM.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SUPPLEMENTALS? ANY OBJECTION MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
AND THEN WE'D LIKE APPROVAL ON MONDAY NIGHT, IF THAT'S, UH, POSSIBLE, UH, AS, AS I'VE REQUESTED BEFORE.
SO IS THAT, JUST WAIT A SECOND.
READING THE SECOND READING? MM-HMM.
[ Request For Proposals - Behavioral Health - Fire Division/Police Division]
NEXT IS ITEM THREE D, WHICH IS REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, FIRE DIVISION AND POLICE DIVISION.UM, THIS IS, UH, WE WERE, I WAS IN FRONT OF YOU A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
UH, WE WENT THROUGH AN R F P EARLIER IN THE YEAR, UH, FOR THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH GRANT THAT YOU AUTHORIZED US TO APPLY AND RECEIVE ABOUT A YEAR AGO NOW.
AND, UH, WHEN WE GOT THE AWARD, WE HAD A BUDGET.
WE HAD MET WITH SOME VENDORS, AND WE THOUGHT WE HAD A REASONABLE BUDGET.
AND WE FOUND OUT AFTER GOING THROUGH THE R F P PROCESS, WE ENDED UP HAVING A, UH, ALMOST A $15,000 REMAINDER.
UH, THE STATE OF OHIO HAD VERY SPECIFIC BIDDING INSTRUCTIONS THAT THEY WANTED US TO DO.
WE FOLLOWED ALL OF THOSE BIDDING INSTRUCTIONS.
WE GOT, UH, NOTIFIED THAT THEY WANTED US TO FIND ANOTHER USE FOR THE $15,000.
UH, IT WAS OUR BELIEF WITHIN THE FIRE DIVISION OUT OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE COULD DO, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BENEFIT, UH, THE POLICE, UH, SOMETHING WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT WOULD BE, IS TO SHARE THE BEHAVIORAL SERVICES WITH THE POLICE DIVISION.
UH, OUR COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS, UH, SERVE, UH, SERVE THE, THE COMMUNITY AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT EVERY DAY.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD BE A, A GOOD MARRIAGE, SO TO SPEAK.
UH, WE CAME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU TO GET AUTHORIZATION TO INCREASE THE SPENDING LIMITS FOLLOWING OUR PURCHASE PROCEDURES.
WE THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS FINE.
UM, NO, NO CRITICISM OF THE STATE.
UH, THEY'RE KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE DUMPED SO MANY MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT AND TOLD, GET THIS DONE.
AND THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE LEARNING ON THE FLY.
AND AS WE, UH, WENT THROUGH AND WE WERE READY TO SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE, WE WERE TOLD, NO, YOU NEED TO GO BACK OUT.
UH, THE R F P PROCESS, UH, UH, ALL OF THE VENDORS, UH, WE HAD FOUR VENDORS THAT HAD APPLIED.
THE LEGWORK HAS ALL BEEN DONE.
UH, SO WE'RE COMING BACK TO YOU TO ASK TO BE ABLE TO PUT OUT FOR A BID.
UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE SHORTENED THE TIME PERIOD UP.
UH, WE SHORTENED THE TIME PERIOD UP, QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE ALL THE BIDDERS HAVE ALREADY DONE THEIR HOMEWORK.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH RESUBMITTING, RESUBMITTING THE SAME BID THAT THEY DID BEFORE, OR SHARPENING THEIR PENCILS OR WHATEVER.
UH, SO WE'RE REALLY ANXIOUS TO GET THIS PROGRAM UP AND MOVING.
UM, THERE'S SEVERAL VENDORS OUT THERE, THE VENDOR THAT WE'VE CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED, WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH THEM.
UH, BUT ALSO, UH, OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR, UH, RESEARCHED, UH, CREDENTIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND MOST OF THESE PROVIDERS THAT PROVIDE FIRE SERVICES, THEY ALSO PROVIDE PUB, UH, POLICE.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN PROVIDING POLICE LONGER THAN FIRE FIRE'S A LITTLE LATE COMING TO THE, COMING TO THE PARTY WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.
UH, IT'S, UH, ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT HASN'T BEEN, UH, ON THE FOREFRONT.
SO, UH, WHERE THIS COMING TO YOU TO ASK US TO BE ABLE TO, UH, PUBLISH AN R F P.
UH, I HAVE A SAMPLE R F P ATTACHED.
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THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ISSUED BEFORE.WE'RE WAITING FOR THE STATE OF OHIO TO SIGN OFF, UH, ON IT AS WELL.
AND, UH, WOULD HAVE, WE WOULD HAVE THAT READY FOR YOU, UH, FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, BUT THE SHORT WINDOW IS, ONE, THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE, AND TWO, UM, WE'RE ANXIOUS TO GET THIS GOING.
UH, WE, WE'VE BEEN DOING, WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE, AND WE'RE, WE KNOW WHAT THE DELAYS ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO SCHEDULE PERSONNEL, WORKING DIFFERENT SHIFTS AND, AND THINGS.
IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST TURN ON AND IT'S DONE IN A COUPLE WEEKS.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
CHIEF IS THERE, SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT HAVING TWO DIFFERENT PROVIDERS, ONE FOR FIRE AND ONE FOR POLICE, SIR? UH, THERE COULD BE.
I MEAN, LOOKING AT, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE REVIEWS ARE, I CAN TELL YOU, I, YOU KNOW, WE, I PRESENTED THE SCORE SHEETS OF THE BIDDERS THAT APPLIED BEFORE, AND WE DEFINITELY GOT THE, THE LOWEST BEST BID, UH, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DOLLAR AMOUNT, IF I REMEMBER.
I, UH, THAT, THAT THERE WAS, UH, I DON'T SEE OUR CURRENT VENDOR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, UH, IF THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE SAME AMOUNT.
MAYBE THEY REALIZE THEY'VE BEEN OFF MORE THAN THEY WANTED TO CHEW, AND MAYBE THEY'LL COME BACK HIGHER AS WELL.
BUT, UH, THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY.
UH, I, I WOULD NOT, I WOULD, I WOULD WANT TO LOOK AND CONSIDER, UH, WE RESPOND TO THE SAME EMERGENCIES, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE IS A TRAGEDY IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, FIRES THERE AND POLICE IS THERE.
SO HAVING A MARRIAGE BETWEEN VENDORS, THERE WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE IN A PRO COLUMN, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE THE BIDS AS THEY CAME.
NANCY, FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, KEITH, UH, IF WE HAD TO, IF IT WAS DECIDED TO USE DIFFERENT VENDORS FOR THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS, WOULD, OOPS, SORRY.
IF IT WAS DECIDED TO USE DIFFERENT VENDORS FOR THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS, WOULD IT REQUIRE A, ANOTHER RELEASE OF AN R F P OR ARE YOU GONNA PUT THAT AS AN OPTION IN THERE, OR WHAT? NO, IT WOULD NOT.
THERE, IT'S GONNA BE ONE, ONE R F P IS ALREADY DONE.
AND GOING, UH, THAT, THAT PROCESS IS GOING, THIS WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER, ANOTHER PROJECT.
IT WOULD PROBABLY JUST BE A LITTLE MORE WORK FOR OUR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF PROCESSING, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE'RE HANDLING, WE'RE GONNA HANDLE ALL THE, THE, UH, THE PAYMENT PORTIONS OF THIS, UH, SCHEDULING MEETING WITH THE, UH, THE COUNSELORS AND THAT, THAT WILL BE ON THE POLICE DIVISION'S ADMINISTRATION.
BUT THE ACTUALLY SIGNING THE, UH, SIGNING THE INVOICES AND ALL THAT STUFF WILL BE DONE BY US.
SO IT WOULD JUST PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LEGWORK FOR OUR PEOPLE TO DO.
BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE, WE COULD HAVE TAKEN THE EASY WAY OUT AND FOUND $15,000 TO, TO DUMP INTO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND WE JUST THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A GOOD WAY OF, UH, A GOOD POLICY TO STAFF.
YES, THANK YOU MAYOR CHIEF NICELY.
COULD YOU CLARIFY, WOULD THIS BE AN IN-PERSON VISIT OR REMOTE? IT'S, UH, IN-PERSON VISITS.
UH, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE COMING TO US.
UH, THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE VERY, UH, AT LEAST OUR VENDOR, HOW IT'S ALL WORKED OUT HAS BEEN VERY WELL.
UH, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, COUNSELORS EMBEDDED IN ACTUAL, IN POLICE DEPARTMENTS RIGHT NOW.
BUT THEY COME THROUGH, THEY'LL COME THROUGH ON, UH, THE VARIOUS SHIFTS AND THEY'LL, UH, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GO TO THE SUPERVISOR, SAY, I'M HERE TODAY AND THE SUPERVISOR WILL MAKE PEOPLE AWARE.
UH, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD 10 MINUTE MEETINGS, AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT HAD HOUR AND A HALF, UH, HOUR AND A HALF LONG MEETINGS, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE COUNSELOR.
BUT IF THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT ON THEIR ASSIGNED DAY, THEY COULD ALSO MAYBE REMOTE IN A VIRTUAL VISIT, UH, I WOULD IMAGINE.
BUT THE COUNSELORS ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT TO WHERE THEY'RE IN PERSON, PERSON IN PERSON, AND THEY'RE GETTING THAT, THAT, THAT PERSON TO PERSON CONTACT THERE.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Assistance To Firefighters Grant Acceptance]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE E, THE ASSISTANCE TO FIREFIGHTERS GRANT ACCEPTANCE, UH, CHIEF AS YOU AS WELL.UH, EARLIER IN THE YEAR, WE APPLIED FOR A, UH, ASSISTANCE TO FIREFIGHTERS GRANT.
UM, THEY GIVE YOU ABOUT 30 DAYS FROM GETTING THE AWARD.
SINCE THERE WAS NO OBLIGATION TO APPLY, WE WENT AHEAD AND APPLIED FOR THE GRANT.
UH, YOU'LL SEE IN OUR NEXT, IN OUR C I P FOR, UH, 24 AND 25, WE HAD MOBILE RADIOS, ONE YEAR PORTABLE RADIOS.
THE OTHER, UH, ONE OF THE CATALYSTS, UH, WE HAD A RADIO THAT BROKE.
UH, WE SENT IT OFF IN OCTOBER, AND WE GOT IT BACK IN JUNE.
UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY OUR RADIOS ARE GETTING OLDER.
UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A FIRMWARE UPGRADE THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, REQUIRED IN 2025 TO CONTINUE CONNECTING TO THE STATE.
SO WE WROTE A GRANT TO BASICALLY, UH, REPLACED THESE VERY EXPENSIVE, UH, PIECES OF EQUIPMENT USING SOME GRANT DOLLARS.
UH, THE GRANT IS A 90 10 SPLIT.
UH, SO THEY'RE COVERING, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A TOTAL PROJECT OF $412,000.
UH, THEY'RE GIVING US $374,000, 5 374, 540 $5 AND 45 CENTS, UH, FOR A GRAND TOTAL OF FOUR 12.
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WORTH OF RADIOS.WE'RE BUYING UP TO ABOUT $398,000 WORTH OF RADIOS AND THEN PAYING SOMEBODY TO, UH, TO INSTALL THE MOBILE RADIOS AND, UH, SOME OF THE ASSOCIATED COSTS WITH THAT.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NANCY? YES.
I JUST WANNA THANK YOU, KEITH, FOR YOUR CONTINUING, UH, WORK TOWARD GETTING THESE GRANTS TO HELP, UH, RELIEVE SOME OF THE CITY BUDGET.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Sheetz - Detention Pond Agreement]
THE SHEETS DETENTION POND AGREEMENT.BRIAN, UH, THANK YOU, MR. MERRIT.
UH, IF COUNSEL WILL RECALL, UM, JUST TO THE WEST OF THE LOCATION AT BRENT AND EXECUTIVE, UH, WHERE WE ARE ARE, UM, PARTNERING WITH SHEETS.
UH, THERE IS, UH, SOME RESIDUAL LAND, UM, THAT, UH, WE HAD IDENTIFIED ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE HORIZON, UH, LINE PROJECT THAT WE WERE GOING TO USE AS KIND OF A COMMUNAL RETENTION DETENTION POND.
THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT, UH, ALLOWS FOR THAT POND TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
UH, SHEETS WILL BE TAKING THE LEAD ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT USING THE SPOILAGE FROM THAT POND TO HELP LEVEL THEIR SITE.
AND THIS THEN ALLOWS US, UH, THE ABILITY TO SEE, UH, HIGHER DENSITY ON OUR PARCEL TO THE NORTH, UH, SIDE OF EXECUTIVE.
THIS IS THE LAST PARTICULAR ITEM THAT WE NEED EXECUTED SO THAT WE CAN THEN CLOSE WITH SHEETS.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL, ADOPT, UH, EXCUSE ME, ON MONDAY, WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL ADOPT AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION, UH, TO EXECUTE THIS AGREEMENT SO THAT SHEETS CAN ENTER ONTO OUR PROPERTY AND CONSTRUCT THIS PROPERTY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? YES, KATE.
SO GRANT PIKE AT EXECUTIVE? YES.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THE LOCATION.
ANYTHING ELSE? YES, DON? WELL, MAYBE, UH, BRIAN, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE, UM, MAINTENANCE OF THIS WILL, UM, BE ON THE CITY.
UH, UH, THE, UM, IN THE SHORT TERM MAINTENANCE WILL BE ON, UM, UH, IS, UH, A RESPONSIBILITY OF, OF THE SHEETS, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, UNTIL THERE ARE ADDITIONAL USERS THAT COME INTO PLAY.
AND THEN ONCE ADDITIONAL FOLKS COME INTO PLAY, THEN THE BURDEN OF RESPONSIBILITY SHIFTS.
BUT THE INITIAL COST, UH, WILL BE, UH, DIRECTLY TO SHEETS ON THIS.
OH, I, I CAN ONLY SAY THAT, UH, THE JOB SHEETS DID WITH THEIR, UH, LANDSCAPING AT OLD TROY PIKE IS PHENOMENAL.
SO, UM, I TRUST THAT THIS WILL BE THE SAME.
ANYONE ELSE? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY, NEXT IS ITEM
[ Thomas Cloud Park - Walking Paths]
THREE G, THE THOMAS CLOUD PARK WALKING PATHS.RUSS? UH, YES, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM AGAIN, UH, FROM PREVIOUS MEETING.
UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, EARLIER YOU TALKED ABOUT WALKING PATHS IN THE, IN THE PARK.
FURTHER BACK IS GONNA BE REPAVING ALL THOSE, THOSE, UH, PATHS BACK THERE.
AND THAT'S PART OF THAT FROM A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT TO PAY FOR THAT.
AND WE'RE GONNA BID THAT OUT HERE SOON.
UM, WHAT I'M HERE FOR IS THE WALKING PATH.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR OUR MULTI-PURPOSE PATH, I GUESS YOU CALL IT, UH, ACROSS THE FRONT OF TOM CLOUD PARK.
WE HAD, UH, THE HATCHED KIND OF YELLOWISH LOOKING HATCHED AREA IN THERE IS THE FULL EASEMENTS THAT THE PETROLEUM LINES TAKE UP.
AND WE ARE REQUIRED NOW TO STAY OUT OF THOSE EASEMENTS FOR ANY TYPE OF PATH.
SO, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, NEAR THE ROAD, UH, ON THE TOM CLOUD PARK SIDE, THE EASEMENTS ARE RIGHT AT THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE.
AND IT'S VERY THIN RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE ROAD THERE, NEAR, NEAR THE WHOLE MIDDLE PART.
AND, UM, LOOKING AT THAT IN THE, OUT THERE IN THE FIELD, YOU CAN TELL THAT THERE'S A DITCH THERE AND IT WOULD BE VERY UNSAFE TO PUT A, A PATH ALONG THERE.
AND IT, IT DOES RISE UP, UH, I DON'T KNOW, AT LEAST 10, CLOSE TO 10 FEET UP FROM THE EDGE, FROM THE DITCH DITCH.
IT GOES DIRECTLY UP ALONG THE WHOLE TREE LINE THERE.
AND THEN WE LOOKED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND IT'S KIND OF THE SAME SITUATION.
THE, UH, THE AREA DROPS OFF THERE IS THAT, THAT, UH, RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S ON THAT SIDE IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE HOUSES THERE AND THREE OR FOUR HOUSES.
AND WE FELT THE SAME WAY, THAT IT WASN'T SAFE TO PUT THE PATH ON THAT SIDE.
SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS TO SHOW THE WHITE LINE ON THERE IS A, IS THE WALKING PATH THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
UM, OH, IN THE CORNER AT THE TOP AT KITTRIDGE WOULD PROBABLY BE A CONCRETE WALK ALONG THE FRONTAGE THERE.
AND THEN IT WOULD TURN INTO A ASPHALT PATH, CROSSING THE EASEMENT, AND THEN RUNNING ON THE, UH, TOP OR THE WEST SIDE
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OF THE, UH, EASEMENTS THAT ARE THERE.UH, WE ALSO SHOWED IN A SMALL, YOU CAN SEE THE PURPLISH LINE, UH, IS A EXISTING PATH THAT WE'LL LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THAT ONE TO SEE WHETHER IT NEEDS REPAVED.
WE COULD ADD THAT TO IT AND THEN PUT THE DARKER PURPLE, MAYBE ADD IN ANOTHER PATH THERE TO CONNECT TO THAT, TO MAKE IT FLOWING THROUGH IF YOU DECIDE TO COME IN FROM KITTRIDGE ON TOP.
SO, UM, THE ONLY THING ON THIS, UM, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE NEAR THE HOUSE THAT'S THERE, UH, WE MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE OUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE HILL AND PUT A SMALL RETAINING WALL JUST TO MAKE THAT FIT INSIDE THERE, BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT IS PUSHED UP HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE GROUND ELEVATION THERE, IT GOT MOVED UP A LITTLE HIGHER.
AND THEN FURTHER DOWN, WE'LL JUST GO AROUND THE TREES AND GET IT BACK TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
UM, WE DID HAVE MONEY, I THINK, IN THE BUDGET THROUGH THE PARKS BUDGET.
AND, UM, UH, ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT IS ABOUT $150,000 TO DO THIS WORK.
I THINK THERE'S 200,000 BUDGETED.
I'D HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET QUOTES AND OR GO OUT FOR BID FOR THIS.
UM, RUSS, THANKS FOR DOING THIS AND CLARIFYING SOME OF HER QUESTIONS WE HAD LAST TIME.
SO AT THE ENTRANCE OF CLOUD PARK AT BRAND PIKE, IS THIS SIDEWALK GONNA GET ANYWHERE NEAR THE SHELTER? R T A STOP? UH, YOU COULD SEE IT DOWN AT THIS END.
UM, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT BEHIND IT, PROBABLY 20, 30 FEET BEHIND IT.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA TIE INTO IT ANYWHERE CLOSE.
UH, THEY, YOU, WHAT'S THE END OF THE, OF THE PATH? YOU'D GO INTO THE DRIVE AND THEN IT'D BE JUST LIKE I SAID, DOWN 20 OR 30 FEET.
I'M JUST REALLY KIND OF BAFFLED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I'VE JUST SEEN SO MANY WRECKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT ALONG THAT WAY.
AND WE'RE PUTTING A WALKING PATH WHERE IT'S LIKE BUSY AND PEOPLE, AS I SAID, I HAVE PERSONALLY HELPED PEOPLE WITH WRECKS TWICE OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS ALONG THAT WAY, THAT PEOPLE WOULD'VE GOTTEN HIT IF THEY WERE WALKING THAT PATH IS, WELL, THIS PATH IS, IS BEHIND.
YOU CAN, IF YOU ARE ON THAT ROAD, THERE'S A TREE LINER ALONG HERE AND IT GOES UP ABOUT 10 FEET HIGHER.
AND WE'RE WAY BEHIND THE ROAD.
I MEAN, WE'RE, THIS WHITE LINE IS THE PATH.
SO THE ROAD'S DOWN HERE, WE'RE AT LEAST A HUNDRED FEET BEHIND THE ROAD.
WOULD IT BE BETTER TO HAVE, I KNOW THERE'S A PATH THERE ON KITTRIDGE ALREADY.
THE PURPLEISH LOOKING ONE RIGHT HERE.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE REALLY WANTING TO WALK TO THOMAS CLOUD PARK, WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE THE PASS IN KITTRIDGE FOR THE HUBER RESIDENCE AND THEN THEY WALK THROUGH THE PARK IF THEY'RE WANTING TO WALK? I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHY WE WOULD PUT A PATH DOWN RAMP PIKE.
I'M THINKING IF IT'S A LEISURE PATH, HAVE THE LEISURE PATH IN THE PARK, GLEN.
UM, I WOULD SAY I AGREE WITH A NEED ON THIS ONE.
I THINK THAT IF WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE THIS AN UPGRADE TO THE PARK, WE SHOULD GO IN AND, UH, REDO, UPGRADE THE CURRENT TRAILS WITHIN THE PARK.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT START POINTS ON THESE TWO, UH, AT THE NORTH THAT, UH, AREN'T REALLY THAT FAR APART.
AND, UH, I MEAN, WE COULD CERTAINLY IMPROVE OR UPGRADE THE TRAIL.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S COMMENTS BEEN MADE ON THAT, THE PINK PURPLE TRAIL MM-HMM.
BUT I'M SURE WE COULD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRUE WALKING PATH AND NOT A SIDEWALK THAT COULD EASILY BE TURNED REDONE AT A MUCH LESS SIGNIFICANT COST TO CREATE A WALKING PATH THROUGH THE PARK.
I DON'T SEE THIS AS A WALKING PATH THROUGH THE PARK.
I, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT IT ACCOMPLISHES, BUT IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, IF I'M GONNA WALK ALL THE WAY, IF ANYBODY'S GONNA WALK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO GET TO THE FRONT END OF THE PARK, WELL, THEY'RE PROBABLY JUST GONNA DRIVE.
I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY UNLIKELY IN MY OPINION.
UM, IF THEY'RE WANTING TO WALK AND THEY'RE COMING FROM BACK IN THE PLATTS, THEY COULD EASIER HIT THE, UH, THE, THE WALKING TRAIL ITSELF.
SO, UH, I'M ALL FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARKS, AND IF WE CAN IMPROVE THE PATHS TO MAKE THEM RUN BETTER, IN MY OPINION, I'M ALL IN.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WHITE LINE DOES IT FOR ME.
UM, YEAH, FIRST OF ALL, UM, THE, THE PATH THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THERE, THE, THE RED PATH, UM, IS A VERY, HMM, UH, I'M SORRY.
THE, UH, PATH THAT'S MARKED BY RED IS A VERY STEEP PATH.
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UH, IF SOMEONE'S ON A MOBILITY VEHICLE, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO COME BACK UP THAT HILL, AND YOU COULDN'T ACCESS THAT HILL AT NIGHT IF YOU WANTED TO GO DOWN, UM, RIDGE.UM, BUT THIS IS, I I WANNA READ A STATEMENT WHICH, WHICH BASICALLY PROVIDES A HISTORY OF, OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT, AND MAYBE IT WILL GIVE OR GIVE YOU A BETTER INSIGHT OR, OR JUST REFRESH YOUR MEMORY.
UM, THE REQUEST OF THE SIDEWALK FROM KITTRIDGE ROAD TO CLOUD PARK WAS MADE AFTER OBSERVING NUMEROUS RESIDENTS WALKING OR RIDING DOWN THE SHOULDER OF THE EASTERN SIDE OF BRANT PIKE ON THEIR MOBILITY VEHICLES, OFTEN AT NIGHT, AND WITHOUT ANY BARRIERS TO PROTECT THEM FROM THE TRAFFIC.
IT WAS ALSO TO FACILITATE PARENTS PUSHING THEIR BABY CARRIAGES AND PEOPLE WANTING TO RIDE THEIR BIKES OR WALK TO CLOUD PARK FOR RECREATION EVENTS OR JUST A CASUAL VISIT.
THIS WAS, AND, AND, AND STILL IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT SAFETY FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND THE FEASIBILITY OF THE SIDEWALK.
IT IS NOT ABOUT BUILDING A SIDEWALK TO FACILITATE SHOPPERS AT CLOUD PARK BUSINESSES, ALTHOUGH THE PEOPLE IN CLOUD PARK APARTMENTS SURELY SHOP IN HUBER.
I STARTED DISCUSSIONS ON THIS TOPIC IN JANUARY OF 2017.
IT IS VERY DISAPPOINTING THAT IT HAS TAKEN THIS LONG TO HAVE ANY SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSIONS ON HOW TO DESIGN IT.
IT IS EVEN MORE DISAPPOINTING THAT THE SKETCH PROVIDED APPEARS TO TAKE THE PATH OF LEASE TO RESISTANCE, MAKING IT VIRTUALLY UNSUITABLE FOR A SIDEWALK DUE TO THE PROPERTY'S TOPOGRAPHY.
CONTRARY TO WHAT THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER STATED AT OUR LAST MEETING, THERE ARE ONLY A COUPLE OF PINE TREES IN THE PO PROPOSED, UH, PATH.
MANY OF THE TREES NEAR THE PROPOSED SIDEWALK COULD BE CONSIDERED TRASH TREES AND COULD EASILY BE REMOVED ALONG WITH THE HONEYSUCKLE AND OTHER DEBRIS TO MAKE ROOM FOR A SIDEWALK.
UH, DURING OUR INITIAL DISCUSSIONS IN 2017, UH, MARVIN ALINSKY, A RESIDENT TO DESIGN COX ARBORETUM SUGGESTED THAT SINCE CLOUD PARK IS OUR CROWN JEWEL OF PARKS, THE VIEW FROM THE STREET SHOULD BE MORE LIKE AN ARBORETUM.
I AND OTHERS WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH HIM.
TO ADD TO MY DISAPPOINTMENT FOR YEARS, I HAVE BEEN SUGGESTING THAT WE PARTNER WITH MIAMI VALLEY REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION TO USE THEIR RESOURCES TO HELP DETERMINE WHICH SIDE OF BRANT PIKE THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE MOST, WOULD BE MOST FEASIBLY INSTALLED.
I HAVE ALSO SPOKEN TO A DAYTON CITY COMMISSIONER AND A COUNTY COMMISSIONER WHO SHARED MY CONCERNS AND EXPRESSED A WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AND WORK WITH US IF IT TOOK A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO CITIES TO GET THE PROJECT DONE.
FUNDING COULD ALSO BE OBTAINED THROUGH M V R P C OR THROUGH FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE OR STATE GRANTS.
WE HAVE THREE CITY MAN, WE HAVE HAD THREE CITY MANAGERS, AND NOT ONE OF THEM CHOSE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FREE SERVICES THAT M B R P C PROVIDES TO INVESTIGATE OR TAKE ANY ACTION TO ADDRESS THIS SAFETY PROBLEM.
THE SOLUTION PRESENTED IN THIS PACKAGE AS IT STANDS, IS UNACCEPTABLE.
FOR THAT REASON, I'M ASKING THAT THIS ISSUE BE TABLED AND THAT STAFF CONTACT M V R P C TO START A SUBSTANTIVE INVESTIGATION OF THIS ISSUE AND PROVIDE COUNSEL FEEDBACK TO COUNSEL WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THEIR EFFORTS TO MOVE FORWARD.
I AM CONFIDENT THAT WITH THEIR HELP AND WITH THE SUPPORT OF NEIGHBORING CITIES, WE CAN FIND AN INNOVATIVE AND SUITABLE SOLUTION TO THIS MATTER THAT WILL ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, RUSS, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY, BECAUSE THE, THE, UH, TOPOGRAPHY IS SO ELEVATED THAT IT COULD NOT BE, UH, LOWERED TO MAKE THE SIDEWALK MORE LEVEL? WELL, I THINK THE, THE SIDEWALK OR THE PATH WOULD BE FAIRLY LEVEL WHERE IT'S SHOWN THERE.
WELL, I DON'T MEAN THE SIDEWALK LEVEL.
I MEAN, BRINGING IT DOWN BECAUSE IT IS, I WENT OUT THERE AND I, I TOOK SOME PICTURES AND IT'S REALLY ELEVATED.
IT'S REALLY HIGH THROUGH THERE, AND, AND THAT IS NOT REALLY CONDUCIVE.
WELL, THE, THE ISSUE WAS ALONG THAT WHOLE TREE LINE, IT DOES GO UP ABOUT 10 FEET, AND IT'S NOT ENOUGH AREA BETWEEN THE BOTTOM OF THAT SLOPE TO THE ROAD TO FIT THE PATH IN THERE.
AND IT'S GOT DRAINAGE ISSUES THERE, AND IT'S NOT SAFE ENOUGH FOR SOMEBODY WALKING BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE ROAD AND THAT SLOPE.
SO YOU WOULD'VE TO EITHER CUT THE SLOPE ALL DOWN, OR, I MEAN, IT'S A, A LOT OF WORK TO DO THAT TO MAKE SOMETHING FIT THERE, RETAINING WALLS
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PROBABLY.UM, CAN I CLARIFY ONE THING? IN 2017, I DID CONTACT M V R P C AND THEY WERE TOLD, TOLD ME FOR A SIZE PROJECT THIS BIG, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET FUNDING THROUGH THEM.
THAT WHAT? THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THIS SIZE OF THE PROJECT, BUT THERE'S SO MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING OUT THERE THAT WE COULD GO AFTER.
NOW, I MEAN, THE SITUATION IS VERY DIFFERENT.
AND THEN ALSO IN 2017, I BELIEVE COUNSEL, THERE WAS A DECISION MADE TO NOT DO THE PROJECT AT THAT TIME.
WELL, WE GOT A DIFFERENT COUNSEL NOW.
BUT I REALLY, REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF WE COULD PLEASE GO TO M V R P C, ASK 'EM FOR THEIR HELP TO ASSESS BOTH SIDES OF BRAND, BECAUSE THAT SIDE IS, IS DAYTON.
THIS SIDE IS US AND BETWEEN US, WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS AS THEY'RE GOING DOWN.
GRANT PIKE, UH, I DON'T CARE WHICH SIDE, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, WE NEED, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, UH, SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET KILLED OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE RIDING ON THE SHOULDER.
SO, UH, THAT'S MY REQUEST THAT, UH, THAT WE CONTACT M V R P C AGAIN, BECAUSE WHEN I TALKED TO MATT, MATT LINDSEY.
I, I HAD TALKED TO YEAH, PAUL THAT, UM, AND I TALKED TO BRIAN AND MARTIN ABOUT IT, AND HE SAID THAT HE DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANY REASON THAT, THAT WE COULDN'T ENGAGE IN THAT CONVERSATION.
SO NOW WHAT NANCY'S MADE AN ASK, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO TABLING THIS FOR 30 DAYS AND, UH, OFFERING A TIMEFRAME, UH, TO GET WITH M V R P C? ED? UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, NO OBJECTION, BUT COUNCILMAN VERGE, WOULD YOU, UH, AND I'M GUESSING, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'D JUST LIKE THE SIDEWALK TO BE ON THE CURB OF BRANT PIKE SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO WALK ON THE UNEVEN FOOTING.
NO, I'M NOT, I AM NOT PROPOSING A SOLUTION.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT IT GO TO M V R P C AND THAT THEY LOOK AT ALL THE OPTIONS AND THAT THEY PROVIDE RECOMMENDATION IN CONJUNCTION WITH, WITH RUSS ON WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST THING THAT WE COULD DO TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS THAT TRAVEL THAT, THAT LENGTH OF ROAD.
AND IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY IT'S NOT FEASIBLE ON EITHER SIDE, THEN IT'S NOT FEASIBLE ON EITHER SIDE.
BUT I'M JUST, I'M, I'M JUST APPALLED WHEN I SEE PEOPLE ON SCOOTERS OR AT NIGHT WALKING ON THE SIDE.
YEAH, I, I TYPICALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
AND I THINK A NICE SIDEWALK ON BRANT PIKE.
AND WHAT WOULD THAT BE? THE WEST SIDE OF IT? THE WEST SIDE.
I THINK A SIDEWALK CURB WOULD LOOK NICE.
IT WOULD MAKE IT REALLY, UM, START TO SNAP A LITTLE BIT.
AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE WALK ON THE SIDE UNEVEN FOOTING, AND IT'S CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY.
WELL CLOSE TO BRANT PIKE ANYWAY.
SO, UH, I DON'T SEE WHY THERE'S NOT A REASON THAT WE CAN'T DO A MOCK-UP AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS AND BRING IT BACK, THAT'S FINE TOO.
BUT I JUST TELL RUSS, I WANT A SIDEWALK RIGHT THERE AND TELL US WHAT WE GOTTA DO TO GET IT.
I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, TALKED ABOUT THIS.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR YEAH.
AND SO I WOULD FOR, SO THAT I DON'T DICTATE, OR I DON'T TRY TO DICTATE WELL, YOU THE SOLUTION.
BUT YOU'RE THE POINT PERSON ON THIS PROJECT.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN SO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TRUST YOU TO SEE WHAT THE VISION IS AND, AND GETTING IT DONE.
SO AT SOME POINT IN TIME YOU HAVE TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT LOOKS BEST, LET'S GO THIS DIRECTION.
AND THEN, I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT COUNSEL SUPPORT, CERTAINLY YOU'VE GOT MINE.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I, I MEAN I, YEAH, I DON'T, I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL.
AND I THINK A SIDEWALK ON BRANT PIKE WOULD, UH, DEFINITELY MAKE IT LOOK NICE.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW ALL WE HAVE IS, UH, WHAT IS THAT? SAND AND, AND GRAVEL UNTIL IT GOES DOWN INTO A DITCH.
AND I MEAN, YEAH, THAT DOESN'T LOOK, I MEAN, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK, UM, FINISHED.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT A FINISHED LOOK.
IT'S NOT SO, UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, WHATEVER YOU THINK IS THE BEST APPROACH TO GO.
BUT WE COULD JUST TELL RUSS TO BRING BACK ANOTHER OPTION ONE THAT HAS A SIDEWALK.
AND YOU'LL DO THAT, WOULDN'T YOU, RUSS? YEAH, I CAN, I CAN TALK TO, WELL, I JUST, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE TOP, TIM DOES IT ALL THE TIME.
THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY IS, IS THE CONCERN TO ME.
BECAUSE IF IT'S TOO HIGH UP, THEN PEOPLE MIGHT BE RELUCTANT TO USE THAT.
BUT I, I WOULD JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, LIKE TO GIVE IT, UH, GIVE MBR M V R
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P P C A CHANCE TO WORK WITH RUSS AND, AND SEE IF THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION THAT MIGHT BE BETTER OR COST EFFECTIVE OR, UM, WOULD BE MORE, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY BEAUTIFYING, BUT I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THE WORD IS, TO BE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO, TO THE, TO THE FACE OF OUR PARK.YEAH, NO OBJECTIONS ON MY PART, KATE.
I SUPPORT NANCY'S IDEA OF ANOTHER SET OF EYES.
UH, SO NO OBJECTIONS TO, UH, TABLING FOR 30 DAYS.
[ Water Infrastructure Update]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE H, THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.RUSS, I THINK THAT'S BRIAN, PROBABLY.
UM, YOU HAVE THE, UH, UPDATED INFORMATION IN THE PACKET.
THERE IS SOME, UM, INTEREST FROM THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR, ONE OF THE CURRENT CONTRACTORS FOR THE UPCOMING PHASE TO, UH, START ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT A LITTLE EARLY.
SO, UH, RUSS, NOT TO THROW IT BACK TO YOU, BUT TO THROW IT BACK TO YOU, COULD YOU COMMENT ON, UH, THE, UH, THE INTENDED SCHEDULE CHANGE TO THE BETTER, UH, FOR THE UPCOMING PHASE? RIGHT.
FOR THAT, UH, FOR THIS NEXT PROGRAM, THIS WOULD BE THE 2023 PROGRAM.
THEY WERE BOTH DOING, UH, I BELIEVE FOUR STREETS.
AND, UH, THE CONTRACTOR, WHICH IS M AND T, WHICH IS TOOLING.
WHO DID THE LAST THIS YEAR'S PROJECT? UH, POSSIBLY WE'D LIKE TO START ON ONE ROAD IN TWO TO ABOUT THREE WEEKS.
AND IT'S BURY SO IT'S NOT AFFECTING THE SCHOOL.
HE'D LIKE TO TRY TO GET IT DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND I BELIEVE THE REST OF 'EM, THEY'RE GONNA START EITHER IN JANUARY OR MARCH FOR THE, ALL THE REST OF THEM.
SO WE'D LIKE TO GET ONE OF THE STREETS POSSIBLY STARTED FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY YOU, UM, OKAY.
SO IS ALL OF THE ONE FROM LAST YEAR COMPLETED NOW? 'CAUSE I KNOW CHESSEN WAS BEING WORKED ON, UH, CROOKSTON WAS FINISHING UP THIS WEEK.
AND ALSO, I THINK I'D ASKED A FEW MONTHS AGO IF WE COULD GET THE CHART TO WHERE WE'RE ON THIS STREET, SO WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT STREETS ARE BEING CHECKED OFF.
THIS IS JUST KIND OF A GENERAL OVERALL, AND THAT'S NICE, BUT A MORE DETAILED, WHAT'S GOING ON WOULD REALLY HELP.
WE HAVE A DETAILED OF THE PRO OF EACH PRO, WELL, THE SECTION THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS DETAILED, AS WITH DATES ON WHEN THEY WOULD FINISH.
AND WE'LL DO THAT FOR THE NEXT ONE WHEN WE START.
NO ACTIONS EITHER, IS IT? RIGHT, THAT WAS JUST, UH, JUST AN UPDATE.
[ City Staffing Levels/Table Of Organization]
ITEM THREE I, WHICH IS THE CITY STAFFING LEVELS AND THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION.IN, UH, COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION WITH INCOMING MANAGER ZICK, UH, IT'S, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, SOME TABLE, UH, SOME REQUESTED CHANGES TO THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, UM, UH, HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BY MR. ZICK, UH, TO HELP HIM ADMINISTER THIS ORGANIZATION, UH, IN AN APPROPRIATE AND EFFECTIVE WAY.
WHEN HE ARRIVES, UH, THIS PARTICULAR TABLE, UH, AMENDMENT WOULD PROVIDE THAT IN ADDITION TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT STAFF, UH, MR. ZICK WOULD ALSO HAVE DIRECT SUPERVISION OVER, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES FINANCE.
AND, UH, IT BASED ON THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED, AND IT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, THIS AMENDMENT, UH, BE MOVED, UH, ON MONDAY, UH, TO, UH, ENSURE THAT THE ORGANIZATION IS PROPERLY ALIGNED TO, UH, SUPPORT MR. S AND HIS ROLE.
BRIAN, WERE THOSE ALL THE CHANGES, UH, THOSE WERE THE CHANGES THAT HAD BEEN REQUESTED BY HIM? YES, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, YES.
SO MYRICK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, DEPARTMENT PLANNING, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SERVICES, AND DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND REC FALL UNDER THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
WHO THEN REPORTS TO THE CITY MANAGER ON THOSE PROJECTS? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND MR. ZICK WANTED IT THAT WAY? YES, HE DID.
THAT'S, THAT'S, EXCUSE ME, THAT'S BIZARRE TO ME.
UM, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND, AND WE CAN GET MR. SIX'S INPUT, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UM, UNDER THE CITY MANAGER AND, UM, UM, UNDER THE CITY MANAGER, THERE BE A HORIZONTAL LINE AND THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER BE ON ONE END, ONE END OF THAT, UM,
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HORIZONTAL LINE, AND THE COMMITTEE ENGAGEMENT BE ON THE OTHER END OF THAT LINE.AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT ALLOWS THE CITY MANAGER TO, UM, TO DELEGATE WHATEVER DUTIES HE WANTS TO THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PERSON.
AND IF HE WANTS TO ASSIGN HIM THOSE DEPARTMENTS, THAT'S FINE, BUT HE HAS THE LATITUDE AND THEY ALL REPORT BACK TO HIM.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT USUALLY IS IN, IN A, IN A BIG BUSINESS, THAT EVERYBODY IS ANSWERABLE TO THE CITY MANAGER, NOT TO THE, NOT TO THE ASSISTANT, UH, PERSON IN THE ORGANIZATION.
SO, UM, I, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT AND SEE IF MR. ZICK WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT.
SO WE'RE WANTING TO, UM, SO NANCY'S ASKED TO MAKE A CHANGE, SO WE WANNA PUT THIS OFF OR APPROVE WHAT'S THERE NOW, AND THEN MAKE ONE LAST CHANGE, UH, ONCE WE, ONCE WE TALK TO HIM, OR, UM, AND HE'S GONNA BE HERE MONDAY AS OF, AND, AND THIS MEETING IS MONDAY NIGHT.
SO, UM, OR COULD WE AMEND IT IF ON MONDAY PRIOR TO THE MEETING, IF, IF THAT DISCUSSION IS HAD BETWEEN BRIAN AND RICK, HE'S OKAY.
AMENDED, IT COULD BE AMENDED OR, YOU KNOW, UH, BROUGHT FORTH WITH THIS AND AN ALTERNATIVE SO THAT COUNSEL COULD CONSIDER BOTH OPTIONS.
UM, I'D WANT TO GET WITH NANCY A. LITTLE BIT MORE AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY, UH, WHAT SHE'S PROPOSING.
'CAUSE I, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND AT ALL.
BUT, UH, TO, I THINK ED'S QUESTION, UH, THIS PARTICULAR TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, THE ONLY CHANGES THAT IT DOES, UH, INDICATE FROM THE CURRENT TABLE OF ORGANIZATION IS MOVING, UH, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, THE HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR, AND THE IT DIRECTOR FROM UNDER DIRECT SUPERVISION BY THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND MOVING THEM TO DIRECT SUPERVISION UNDER THE CITY MANAGER.
AND THAT, UM, WAS A COMMON THEME THAT WE HEARD, UM, THROUGH A LOT OF THE CANDIDATES, THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER PROCESS ABOUT THE NEED.
UH, AFTER THEY LOOKED AT OUR TABLE ORGANIZATION TO, UM, ONE, AS THE CITY MANAGER EXERTS SOME CONTROL OVER KEY DEPARTMENTS THAT HAD AN IMPACT ON ALL OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS OF THE CITY, UH, PARTICULARLY THESE THREE.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE SPECIFICALLY, UH, MR. ZICK SHARED THAT SAME SENTIMENT THAT WE'D HEARD FROM A LOT OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES ABOUT THE TABLE OF THE ORGANIZATION.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION, JUST TO CLARIFY, IS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE, ACCORDING TO THIS, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, THAT PERSON, UH, NO SPECIFIC OR DIRECT, UH, INDICATION TO YOU, BRIAN, JUST, YOU KNOW, LETTING YOU KNOW, BUT THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER WOULD BE ABLE TO FIRE THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES.
WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? NO, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY UNDER THE, UNDER THE CHARTER.
ONLY THE CITY MANAGER CAN DO THAT, BUT WE WOULD OFFER DIRECT SUPERVISION.
OR A DISSIMILAR TABLE THAN WHAT'S EXISTED PREVIOUSLY WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UH, BUT I WOULD THINK, UM, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, WE HAVE UNDER THE, WE WOULD HAVE UNDER THE CITY MANAGER, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 EMPLOYEES.
UM, WOULD THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT ENGAGEMENT SPECIALIST BE DIRECTLY UNDER THE CITY MANAGER OR, OKAY, SO THAT WOULD BE 10.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S NANCY'S PROPOSAL.
SO THAT WOULD BE, RIGHT NOW I IT 10 PEOPLE UNDER THE CITY MANAGER, INCLUDING THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND THEN HE CAN DELEGATE AND DIRECT AS HE GOES.
I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEM.
I DON'T KNOW WHY MR. ZICK, UM, WOULD, UH, CONSIDER SOMETHING ELSE.
AND, AND IT'S NOT A CRITICISM, IT'S JUST THAT MAYBE HE DOESN'T WANNA MAKE A, A VERY TOO BROAD CHANGE WHEN HE COMES IN BECAUSE HE THINKS THIS IS THE WAY WE NORMALLY DO IT, AND IT ISN'T THE WAY WE NORMALLY DO IT, OR HAVEN'T DONE IT IN THE PAST.
IT'S JUST BEEN MORE TEMPORARY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO, UH, I WOULD CERTAINLY BE, UM, MORE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO HIM ABOUT THAT AND STREAMLINING THIS A LITTLE BIT AND PUTTING EVERYTHING UNDER THE CITY MANAGER, UM, AT HIS DISCRETION.
AND THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SPECIALIST, UH, IS CURRENTLY UNDER, UH, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER SUPERVISION AND, AND THIS PROPOSAL THAT WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.
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WELL, WE DICTATE THE ORG CHART, SO IF THERE'S ENOUGH SUPPORT TO MOVE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SPECIALIST RIGHT IN THE CITY MANAGER, ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS SAY, SO I THINK I JUST DID.IS, IS THAT A FORMAL REQUEST TO MAKE THAT CHANGE? WELL, OR ARE YOU AGREEING WITH NANCY? I WOULD, YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH KENSEY TO PUT THOSE 10 PEOPLE UNDERNEATH THE CITY MANAGER, BUT MR. ZICK APPROVED THIS.
UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION.
I, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FIGURING OUT WHAT HE THINKS IF I DON'T TALK DIRECTLY TO HIM, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME SOMEONE COMING INTO THE CITY MIGHT NOT WANNA MAKE A BIG CHANGE IF THEY BELIEVE IT'S A BIG CHANGE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE USED TO IN THE PAST.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
SO ANY OBJECTION TO JUST TABLING THIS UNTIL HE GETS HERE AND YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT IT? ANITA? I HAVE NO PROBLEM TABLING IT, BUT I THINK WE'VE ALL HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING A GRANT WRITER WHEN WE WERE REDOING THE ORG CHART, AND I WOULD LIKE THAT REVISITED TO PUT IN A GRANT WRITER.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE PART OF THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS FOR 2024.
THE, THE ONLY SUGGESTION, OR THE ONLY THINKING IN MOVING THIS TO MONDAY WAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, MR. ZICK IS GONNA BE STARTING, UH, THAT EVENING, AND THE THOUGHT WAS THAT IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR HIM TO START IN A, UH, ENVIRONMENT WHERE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY INCLUDING STAFF, KNEW WHAT THEIR ROLES WERE, WHO THEY'RE REPORTING TO, RATHER THAN HAVING HIM START THAN HAVING TO CHANGE THAT ALL AGAIN.
YOU SEE? YEAH, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD, UM, RECOMMEND THAT WE KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA AND, UM, MR. ZICK WILL BE HERE MONDAY.
AND, UM, AND AT THAT POINT, AFTER TALKING TO HIM MORE, WE COULD EITHER, UM, AMEND IT OR WE CAN TABLE IT ACCORDING TO HIS DESIRES.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE IT ON THE AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON MONDAY.
ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? NO, NO.
I HAVE, HAVE, UH, NO OBJECTION TO THAT.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, BENEFICIAL TO ALL OF US TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THIS AND GO DOWN IT.
UH, I DO LIKE NANCY C'S SUGGESTION ON THE, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SPECIALIST CHANGE.
UM, YEAH, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE DID THIS WITH MR. ZICK PRESENT AND, UH, TONY, WOULD THIS BE ITEM ONE ON THE AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN, UM, UH, MOVE FORWARD IMMEDIATELY, UH, WITH MR. ZICK KNOWING EXACTLY WHO'S UNDER AND WHERE? YEAH, I MEAN, WE COULD PUT IT ON WHATEVER ORDER IN THE AGENDA.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE MAYOR OR BRIAN OR I, WE COULD ALSO INITIATE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW HE FEELS AROUND THAT SUGGESTED CHANGE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF HE HAD NO OBJECTION AND THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL FELT THAT WAS OKAY, LIKE I SAID, WE COULD HAVE BOTH OPTIONS READY TO GO, EITHER WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SPECIALIST, UM, UNDER THE CITY MANAGER OR UNDER THE, UH, UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
AND THEN BASED ON YOUR DISCUSSION ON MONDAY, WE COULD APPROVE WHICHEVER VERSION.
SO YOU JUST HAVE OPTION A, OPTION B AS PART OF THE, AS PART OF THE PACKAGE.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT OPTION A, OPTION B, THEN AFTER DISCUSSION.
[ Liquor Permit #7466355 - Rollhouse - 6170 Brandt Pike]
IS ITEM THREE J, LIQUOR PERMIT NUMBER 7 4 6 6 3 55.UH, AS THE MAYOR STATED, THIS IS A LIQUOR PERMIT FOR THE ROLL HOUSE AT 61 70 GRANT PIKE, FORMERLY KNOWN AS, UH, MARION LANES.
UM, THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR A TRANSFER OF AN EXISTING PERMIT, UM, FROM, UM, THE MARION LANES, UH, CORPORATION THAT MAINTAINED THAT BOWLING LANE.
AND THEN, UH, TRANSFERRING TO THEM, IT IS, UH, D FIVE PERMIT.
UM, BUT IT IS FOR A BOWLING LANE USE.
UM, AS A SIDE NOTE, I DID NOTICE WHEN REVIEWING THE, UH, ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT FOR, UH, NOVEMBER 7TH, UH, THERE IS A LOCAL PRECINCT ELECTION, UM, TO ALLOW SUNDAY SALES, UH, FOR THE ROLL HOUSE, UM, AT THIS LOCATION ALSO, BUT THAT WOULD BE DECIDED BY THE VOTERS IN THAT PARTICULAR PRECINCT.
SO, UH, THE POLICE AND FIRE HAVE REVIEWED THIS AND HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THE TRANSFER.
UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE RULE HOUSE HERE IN THE COMMUNITY AND KEEPING THE BULLYING, UH, ALLEY OPERATING.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, UH, APPROVE THIS MOTION, UH, FOR THE TRANSFER ON MONDAY.
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DISCUSSION? UNMUTE? I'M FINE WITH THIS.I JUST WANT SOME CLARIFICATION.
SO IF THEY'RE TRANSFERRING A LICENSE, THIS IS THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT IS TO COME TO US, BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THE GAS STATIONS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED EARLIER, DID THEY COME TO US AND ASK FOR THE TRANSFER? THEY DID.
AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE TRANSFER.
UM, NOR ARE WE APPROVING ANY NEW LIQUOR PERMITS.
THEY DO THAT APPLICATION THROUGH THE OHIO DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL.
ALL'S WORKING AS TO IS TO NOT OBJECT TO IT.
SO WHEN WE APPROVE A MOTION, IT IS TO OFFER NO OBJECTION.
AND IF WE DO NOTHING, IT, IT GOES INTO EFFECT ANYWAY.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Police Division Discussion]
UH, ITEM THREE K, POLICE DIVISION.DISCUSSION, UH, THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT COUNSEL WISH TO HAVE, UH, ON THE AGENDA.
I KNOW, UH, MR. SHAW IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING, AND THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT HE HAD HAD ASKED FOR.
UM, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION THAT, UM, HE HAD ASKED OR REQUESTED, UH, FROM THE CITY MANAGER.
SO, UH, I'LL ASK BRIAN TO SPEAK ON SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO, UH, THE REST OF COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, IN SHORT, MR. SHAW HAD MADE A REQUEST FOR, UM, UH, I'LL CALL IT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INFORMATION, BUT THAT INFORM, UH, THAT REQUEST CAME IN, UH, LATE, UH, IN THE WEEK.
AND AS A RESULT, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER THE, UH, THE INFORMATION IN TOTALITY THAT HE HAD ASKED FOR.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, UM, WE, UM, SOUGHT AN OPINION FROM AND DID RECEIVE, UM, AN OPINION FROM OUR LABOR ATTORNEY.
UH, AND I'M IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THAT AS WELL.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, BASED ON THE NATURE AND THE SUBJECT MATERIAL THAT, UM, HAS BEEN ASKED TO BE DISCUSSED, THAT WE ARE, UM, FOLLOWING APPROPRIATELY RULES AND REGULATIONS AS THEY RELATE TO, UM, EMPLOYER EMPLOYEE RELATIONS, UH, IN THE UNIT.
SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT MR. SHAW HAD REQUESTED.
UH, WE'LL SIT DOWN AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, EXACTLY, UH, WHAT THAT INFORMATION ENTAILS, THOSE INFORMATION GRABS LOOK LIKE, AND OUR ABILITY TO PRODUCE THAT INFORMATION.
AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW UP, UH, AND LET COUNSEL KNOW WHEN WE CAN ACCUMULATE ALL THAT, UH, INFORMATION AND PROVIDE THAT TO, UH, TO YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERATION AND REVIEW.
UH, SO WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
UH, NOW WE'D LIKE TO GO, GLEN.
I, UH, PERSONALLY, I JUST, I WANTED THIS CONVERSATION TO GET STARTED SO WE COULD JUST HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AND DIVE IN.
I THINK SOME INFORMATION IS DEFINITELY PREREQUISITE FOR THIS, AND I APPRECIATE MR. SHAW KIND OF DIALING IN SOME OF HIS OWN.
UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THE THINGS I'M LOOKING FORWARD JUST TO, UH, NUMBERS LIKE OVERTIME HOURS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THOSE ARE, THAT'S AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
UM, NOT ONLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF OVERTIME PAY, WHICH COULD, UH, AFFORD US ADDITIONAL OFFICERS, BUT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF BURNOUT AS WELL.
THE LAST THING I WANT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR POLICE OFFICERS BEING STRESSED AND OVERWORKED AND, AND NOT SEEING THEIR FAMILIES AS MUCH AS THEY WOULD LIKE, THAT'S NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION IN MY MIND.
UM, THE O TWO SURVEY HAD STATED THAT WE NEEDED ADDITIONAL OFFICERS AT THAT TIME.
I KNOW THINGS HAVEN'T GOTTEN BETTER, UM, TO NANCY'S COMMENTS IN AN EMAIL.
UM, YES, THINGS HAVE CHANGED, BUT THEY CERTAINLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR POPULATION ALL THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO GET SOME NEW INFORMATION.
BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WE ARE, UH, 21 YEARS BEHIND THE, UH, THAT CURVE ALREADY.
SO, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO FINDING OUT WHAT THOSE NUMBERS MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN, SINCE WE ALWAYS COMPARE OURSELVES TO OTHER COMMUNITIES OF SIMILAR SIZE IN NATURE, UH, HAVE WE LOOKED TO SEE WHAT, UH, THOSE POPULATIONS USUALLY HAVE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, UH, UH, OFFICERS, UM, PER 1000 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER.
UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU, I, I CAN'T SPEAK, I'M NOT THE POLICE CHIEF TO SAY THAT THINGS CAN'T BE HANDLED THE WAY THEY ARE.
I CAN'T SAY THAT THE GUYS, UM, AREN'T DOING A GREAT JOB AS IT IS, GUYS AND GALS, MY APOLOGIES.
UM, THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN, I HEAR A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT SOME PEOPLE BEING VERY WORN OUT, VERY EXHAUSTED, UM, OVERWORKED AND, UH, STRESSED.
AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE FOUGHT HARD TO GET SOME EXTRA FIRE PERSONNEL IN, AND I'D LIKE TO DO THE SAME FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THAT'S NECESSARY.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M OUT ON THAT, ON WHERE I'M AT, ON THAT.
I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, GET THAT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.
AND THEN AGAIN, WHEN WE HIT THE END OF THE YEAR, START TALKING BUDGETING, UM, THEN WE CAN LOOK TO SEE HOW MANY OFFICERS WE, ADDITIONAL OFFICERS WE CAN PUT IN PLACE IF NEEDED.
ANYONE ELSE? ED? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, WHEN, UH, I VIEWED THE VIDEO FROM OUR COUNCIL MEETING WHEN, UH, DOUG BERINGER, UH, THE GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE OHIO LABORIST COUNCIL AND THE
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F O P 1 61 SPOKE, UM, HE HAD SOME REALLY INTERESTING AND REVEALING INFORMATION.UH, ONE OF THE FIRST CONCERNS THAT HIT ME RIGHT OUTTA THE GATE, HE SAID WAS A COMPLETE LACK OF SUPPORT, UM, THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE F O P WERE FEELING, UH, FROM, UH, THE CITY.
AND THAT WAS CONCERNING, UM, THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
UM, I GAVE KUDOS TO BRIAN AND CHIEF LIGHTNER, WHICH, UH, BRIAN CHIEF'S NOT HERE TODAY, OR A REPRESENTATIVE ASSISTANT CHIEF TONIGHT FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION, UH, FOR COUNSEL TO ADVANCE.
SO IN THE PREVIOUS WORK SESSION, UM, BRIAN SHOWED THAT WE HAD, UH, PART ONE CRIMES, BUT HE DIDN'T LIST THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, UH, WHICH DOUG BERRINGER MENTIONED ARE ALARMS, DISTURBANCES, DISORDERLY CONDUCT, SUSPICIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, THEFT AND SERIOUS CRASHES, ET CETERA, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT HE NAMED.
UM, AND, UH, THOSE WEREN'T PART OF THE STATISTICS, BUT IT WAS MENTIONED VERBALLY, BUT IT WASN'T PART OF THE STATISTICS.
BUT WHEN, UH, IT WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT CALLS FOR SERVICE, UM, THE EXAMPLE WAS TRASH, I'M ASSUMING THOSE ARE LIKE REPUBLIC TRASH HAULING, UH, CONCERNS, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO IF SOMEBODY'S CALLING IN REPUBLIC TRASH, IT'S NOT A CALLS FOR SERVICE BECAUSE DISPATCH IS GOING TO HANDLE THAT.
SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A CALL THAT POLICE OFFICERS GO TO.
UM, IT JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS CHERRY PICKING THE PRESENTATION INFORMATION AND THAT'S REALLY DANGEROUS WHEN YOU'RE REPORTING TO COUNSEL.
UM, AND CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE COMPLETE LACK OF SUPPORT COMES FROM.
UH, WE HAVE FIVE OFFICERS, WE'RE DOWN, UH, WE'RE STAFF PAID FOR IN OUR ORG CHART, 55 AND WE'RE DOWN FIVE OFFICERS, IS THAT CORRECT, BRIAN? CORRECT.
AND HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN GOING ON? IS THAT A RECENT ISSUE WITH STAFF TURNOVER, LET'S SAY RETIREMENT, SOMEBODY MOVES ON OR HAS THAT BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS? WELL, THOSE ARE VACANCIES WERE CREATED THROUGH, UH, TRADITIONAL METHODS OF TURNOVER.
SO RETIREMENT OR WHATEVER INDIVIDUAL OFFICER'S REASONS FOR LEAVING THE DIVISION WERE.
AND SO WE ARE BACK FILLING THOSE POSITIONS.
IF YOU RECALL FROM THE PRESENTATION, WE SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT HOW WE WERE IN A PROCESS AND THAT WE HAD CANDIDATES IDENTIFIED TO FILL THOSE VACANCIES AND WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING THROUGH THE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION TO BRING THOSE INDIVIDUALS ON BOARD TO FILL THOSE VACANCIES.
SO IT'S JUST A FAIRLY RECENT TURNOVER.
UM, PRIOR TO DOUG BERINGER SPEAKING, I HAD HEARD SOME ISSUES, UH, FROM PEOPLE WHO HAD CONTACTED ME.
UM, THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, ARE CONCERNING, BUT I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SINK MY TEETH INTO AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE HAVE TO DO THIS A CERTAIN WAY.
SO WHEN DOUG BARRINGER SHOWED UP, UH, THAT GAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN EXPOSED TO BEFORE AND UH, THAT'S WHY IT WAS DIFFICULT TO BRING IT UP BEFORE BECAUSE I'M NOT REAL SURE WHEN SOMEBODY TELLS ME SOMETHING, HOW ACCURATE IT IS BY THE VALIDITY OF IT.
UM, BUT WITH FIVE POLICE OFFICERS DOWN TO 55, AND THESE ARE ALREADY FUNDED AND ON THE BOOKS FOR 2023, THAT'S 9% OF OUR POLICE FORCE.
SO I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHY OUR POLICE FORCE IS BEING PUNISHED, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT THIS IS GOING ON FOR YEARS.
COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL, SOMEBODY PUNISHING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT? NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
SO THAT MEANS SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S NOT YOU IS DOING THAT, IS IT YOU? IT'S NOT ME.
BUT I KNOW WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS, WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE, SOMETHING WILL BE HAPPENING SHORTLY.
UM, THE REPORT THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT, THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE, IT IS AN OLD REPORT.
IT'S O TWO, BUT IT'S THE BEST WE'VE GOTTEN.
EVEN THEN WE HAD STA THEY RECOMMENDED STAFFING LEVELS AT 63 AND WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 55.
UM, SO WITH THE FIVE POSITIONS WE'RE DOWN, WE'RE AT 50.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS COUNSEL MIGHT CONSIDER IS, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOTTA FILL FIVE POSITIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY FUNDED THIS YEAR.
UH, IF COUNSEL WANTS TO ADD ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, UH, LET'S GO BACK JUST A SECOND.
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WHEN WE HAD THE LEVY FOR THE PUBLIC SAFE SAFETY AND SERVICES LEVY RENEWAL ON MAY, WE DIDN'T FULLY STAFF THE FIREFIGHTERS UNTIL THE END OF MAY, EARLY JUNE.I'M WONDERING IF THAT HAD, UH, COST US 20 VOTES IN THE MAY BALLOT.
AND THEN WITH THIS ISSUE COMING ON BEING FIVE POLICE OFFICERS DOWN, PLUS NEEDING POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL, UH, POLICE OFFICERS, I'M WONDERING HOW MANY VOTES THAT MIGHT COST US IN NOVEMBER.
SO MY THOUGHT IS IF WE GET ON THIS AND FIX THIS SOONER AS OPPOSED TO LATER THEN, OR AT LEAST MAKE A GOOD INITIAL, UH, RECOMMENDATION AND MOVEMENT TO SHOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE SUPPORTED, THAT THIS COUNCIL DOES SUPPORT THEM, WE GET MOVING TOWARDS THAT, SHOW THEM THAT, AND THEN WHEN MR. ZICK GETS HERE, THEN HE CAN WORK ON THE BUDGET FOR 2024 AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO DECIPHER WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND IF WE NEED TO ADDITIONAL, UH, STAFFING OR NOT.
UM, WAITING FOR MR. ZICK TO COME IN AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION PUTS THAT FARTHER INTO THE END OF SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER AND EARLY VOTING STARTS.
AND MR. ZICK, WHERE HE HAS A GOOD DEAL OF BACKGROUND IN PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, HASN'T LIVED IN HUBER HEIGHTS ONE SINGLE DAY AND WE'VE GOT NINE ELECTED OFFICIALS UP HERE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE.
AND WE DO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
UH, WE DO HAVE TRAFFIC CONCERNS WITH SPEEDING AND IF WE GIVE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT TO CHIEF LIGHTNER, THAT WILL MAKE THAT KIND OF EFFECTIVE, UM, UH, IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
OF COURSE, THAT'S CHIEF ER'S ISSUE OF HOW HE USES THAT.
BUT HE DID SAY THAT IF HE, WE GIVE HIM ADDITIONAL POLICE FORCE AND TELL HIM TO TARGET SOMETHING, THEN UH, HE'LL TARGET THAT.
AND ADDITIONAL POLICE FORCE POLICE OFFICERS DO MAKE AN IMPACT ON WHAT'S GOING DOWN.
WE HAVE GREAT CRIME RATE AND I DIDN'T HEAR DOUG BARRINGER QUESTION THE CRIME RATE GOING DOWN.
I KNOW THE, UM, THE CAR THEFTS HAVE GONE UP AND THAT'S REGIONAL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S STILL SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
BUT I THINK THE SPEEDING AND THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE.
SO IF WE GET WORKING ON THIS, FIND OUT WHY WE HAVE FIVE POLICE OFFICERS THAT POSITIONS THAT ARE UNFILLED, GET THAT DONE AND THEN ADD ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL GOING INTO OCTOBER AND EARLY VOTING.
IF WE DRAG THIS OUT, IF WE TALK ABOUT IT LONGER AND LATER, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL.
WE GOT ANOTHER SERVICE LEVY WE WANT TO PASS NEXT YEAR.
WE'D LIKE TO GET THIS ONE PASSED IN NOVEMBER.
UM, PROLONGING THIS, MAKING IT LONGER I THINK IS WORSE.
WE'RE PRESSED FORCE THAN BETTER.
I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AND QUESTIONS.
ANY DISCUSSION, ANITA? I KNOW I'D BE FULL SUPPORT OF A TRAFFIC DIVISION BECAUSE THE SPEEDING IS OUTRAGEOUS.
I KNOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IT'S, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU A NUMBER OF TIMES THAT I'VE JUST ABOUT HAD WRECKS AT INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE PEOPLE MISS, THEY JUST DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES AND THEY GO THROUGH STOP SIGNS AND THEY SPEED ALONG AND THEY DON'T GO RESIDENTIAL SPEEDS THROUGH A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AS I SAID, I AGREE WITH THAT SOONER THAN LATER.
ANYTHING ELSE, GLEN? THANK YOU MAYOR.
UM, BRIAN, JUST QUICK QUESTION.
YOU MENTIONED YOU HADN'T HAD TIME TO GET SOME OF THAT INFO TOGETHER.
WHEN CAN WE, CAN WE EXPECT THAT FAIRLY SOON OR SO? TODAY WAS THE FIRST DAY THAT WE AS STAFF WHO WOULD COLLECTIVELY BE ABLE TO ACQUIRE THAT INFORMATION WE'RE TOGETHER.
UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY, BUT WE'LL GET A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT TOMORROW, IF NOT, UH, THURSDAY FOR SURE.
AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET BACK TO YOU WHEN WE CAN PULL ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER.
AND IF IT'S NOT ALREADY PART OF THE REQUEST, I KNOW THAT, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED AND PINPOINTED SOME OF THE MORE MAJOR CRIME STATISTICS, BUT CAN WE SEE MORE OF A BROAD SCOPE BECAUSE ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, UH, CAR BREAK-INS AND CAR THEFTS AND, AND PROPERTY CRIMES AREN'T KILLING PEOPLE, IT'S, IT'S STILL A HIT.
YOU KNOW, IT STILL DAMAGES THE COMMUNITY IN A LARGE WAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT BECOMES WIDESPREAD.
AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING AS WELL BECAUSE IF WE GOTTA COMBAT THAT, WE GOTTA COMBAT THAT AS WELL.
SO, SO COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WITH REGARD TO THAT INFORMATION SO THAT, WELL WE, WE, WE GET NUMBERS OF, OF RAPE AND MURDER AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PETTY THEFTS AND, AND CAR BREAK-INS AND
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CAR AND CAR THEFTS AND MORE MINOR THINGS THAT, YEAH, IT'S NOT TAKING ANY LIVES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S STILL, UH, AFFECTING THE COMMUNITY IN A BROAD WAY AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AS WELL BECAUSE THOSE REQUIRE MANPOWER TO STOP.SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE IN SPECIFIC DETAIL RATHER THAN IN GENERALIZED AGGREGATE? YES.
I WANTED THEM BROKE DOWN TO WHERE WE CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT LEVEL, YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE DIFFERENT NUMBERS BREAK OUT IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND AND IF YOU, IF YOU WENT TO THE RECORDS DEPARTMENT THERE, I'VE DONE THIS, I'VE GONE FOR OUR, OUR, OUR SUBDIVISION AND I'VE ASKED FOR THE CRIME RATE FOR THERE AND THEY'VE BROKEN IT DOWN TO EACH THING.
IT'S, IT JUST TAKES 'EM A COUPLE MINUTES TO GENERATE IT.
SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE HARD, HARD TO GET AND I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY INSIGHTFUL FOR US.
BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBER OF CITATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED IN THE LAST YEAR, THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS FOR TRAFFIC CITATIONS.
UM, I JUST, I I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS SPEEDING PROBLEM IF CITATIONS ARE BEING ISSUED BECAUSE, UH, QUICKEST WAY TO P WAKE PEOPLE UP IS TO HIT THEIR POCKETBOOK, YOU KNOW? SO, UH, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE STATISTICS ON THAT.
BUT IN REFERENCE TO THE STATEMENT THAT MR. LYONS MADE, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, I DON'T, I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THAT, THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOWS THAT, THAT THE COUNCIL SUPPORTS THEM AND THAT ANYTHING THAT THAT THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO AS FAR AS MANPOWER, ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED IT AND SUPPORTED IT.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, IT, THAT IT WOULD BE CUTTING OFF THEIR NOSE, SPITE THEIR FACE IF, IF THEY DIDN'T SUPPORT THE PUBLIC SAFETY LEVY IN NOVEMBER, BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEIR DEPARTMENT, IF THAT FUNDING ISN'T RENEWED, IT'S GONNA HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON THE FUTURE OPERATIONS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND UM, AND SO I HOPE THAT, THAT THEY AND, UM, ALL OF OUR CITIZENS WILL SUPPORT THAT LEVY IN NOVEMBER.
SO I THINK LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING SOME OF THE DATA THAT, UM, HAS BEEN REQUESTED AND I THINK BRIAN HAS SOME DIRECTION ON INFORMATION THAT COUNSEL HAS REQUESTED.
I THINK ONCE WE HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, WE CAN INVOLVE C NEW CITY MANAGER IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND MAKE SOUND JUDGEMENTS, UH, BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AND ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEN I HAVE NO ISSUES BASED ON WHAT THE DATA SAYS TO, TO MOVE FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, UM, TO START, TO START THAT PROCESS, WHATEVER THAT PROCESS IS GONNA BE.
TED, BRIAN, WHEN CAN WE EXPECT FIVE, UH, FUNDED POLICE OFFICERS TO BE HIRED? I'M ASSUMING IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE'RE HIGHLY QUALIFIED, BUT IF NOT, I'LL SAY THAT.
WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET FIVE HIGHLY QUALIFIED POLICE OFFICERS ADDED, UH, FULLY STAFFED AS SOON AS THEY'RE HIRED, WHICH ARE AGAIN, VERY SIMILAR TO ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH HIRING FIREFIGHTERS.
WE CAN'T CONTROL WHEN APPLICANTS GET US THEIR BACKGROUND PACKETS BACK.
WE CAN'T CONTROL WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THE PHYSICIAN.
WE CAN'T CONTROL WHEN THE PSYCHOLOGIST CAN, UH, PROVIDE FOR, UH, THE EXAM.
SO THOSE ARE ALL FACTORS THAT GO INTO WHAT DELAYS, UH, OUR ABILITY TO HIRE PERSONNEL, AT LEAST IN PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO WE CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THOSE CANDIDATES, UH, THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO GET THOSE SLOTS FILLED AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, BUT WE DON'T DRIVE THOSE SCHEDULES.
THE APPLICANTS AND OUR OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS DRIVE THOSE SCHEDULES.
SO VERY SIMILAR TO THE ANSWER WE PROVIDED WHEN YOU ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS WHEN WE WERE HIRING FIREFIGHTERS.
YEAH, MAYOR, I CERTAINLY HOPE WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT AS A CITY.
UM, YEAH, IT TOOK 10 MONTHS TO GET THEM UP TO, UH, FULLY STAFFED AND WHEN IT WAS ONLY A THREE TO FOUR MONTH PROCESS AT THE MOST.
SO, LIKE I SAID, DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT I KNOW IT'S NOT RIGHT.
WE NEED TO HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THERE IS A NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.
SO TONY, IF YOU WOULD, UH, READ THE MOTION PLEASE.
STAFF WOULD REQUEST A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION
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TO CONSIDER CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION RELATED TO THE MARKETING PLAN, SPECIFIC BUSINESS STRATEGY, PRODUCTION TECHNIQUES, TRADE SECRETS, OR OTHER PERSONAL FI FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF AN APPLICANT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE, WHERE THE INFORMATION IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO REQUEST FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE THAT IS TO BE PROVIDED OR ADMINISTERED UNDER ANY PROVISION OF THE HIGHER REVISED CODE, CHAPTERS AND SECTIONS SET FORTH IN A HIGHER REVISED CODE.GE AND THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE APPLICANT OR THE POSSIBLE INVESTMENT OR EXPENDITURE OF PUBLIC FUNDS TO BE MADE IN CONNECTION WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
IS THERE A MOTION NOT? I WILL MOVE.
IS THERE A SECOND? ANITA? SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? MS. BAKER? YES.
DO YOU HAVE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION WILL COME OUT AND I WILL KNOW ANY DECISION HAS BEEN MADE? THANK YOU.
IT'S ON EIGHT 20 AND WE'VE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THERE HAS BEEN NO ACTION TAKEN.
AND AT EIGHT 20 THIS COUNCIL WORK SESSION IS ADJOURNED.