[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road September 12, 2023 6:00 P.M. ]
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I SHALL CALL THE MEETING IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. CASSIDY? HERE.
I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS AS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DIOCESE.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS OPENING, OR, UH, I'M SORRY, IS CITIZENS' COMMENTS? THIS IS APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS, NOT NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
WE DO PERTAIN A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, THAT'S OKAY.
I'VE BEEN TOLD WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.
SO MY NAME IS JENNIFER CORCORAN.
UM, WE LIVE HERE, AND THIS IS MATTHEW HELTON, MY SON.
WE LIVE HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND, UH, WE WANTED TO COME TONIGHT BECAUSE, UM, WE KNOW THAT, UM, BUCKY'S IS COMING POSSIBLY.
AND, UM, FOR ONE REASON A SECOND IS JUST KIND OF TO BRING A GENERAL AWARENESS, UM, TO THIS GROUP BECAUSE, UM, WE'VE TALKED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO THIS GROUP.
MATTHEW IS ALMOST 23 YEARS OLD.
AND, UH, WE LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, HE HAS A JOB AND HE'S AN ADVOCATE.
AND WHAT WE ADVOCATE FOR ARE UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLES, WHICH ARE HEIGHT ADJUSTABLE ADULT CHANGING TABLES.
AND THE REASON THAT WE ADVOCATE FOR THESE IS BECAUSE WITHOUT THESE, WE'RE VERY LIMITED.
ONE, WE CAN STAY HOME AND BE ISOLATED.
UM, TWO, WE CAN GO OUT INTO PUBLIC AND WHEN HE NEEDS TO A RESTROOM, WE CAN LEAVE AND GO BACK HOME.
AND THIS IS KIND OF OUR EXTREME CASES, IS WE CAN, UM, STOP WHAT WE'RE DOING, GO INTO MY VAN, AND I CAN CHANGE HIM THERE, WHICH IS VERY UNDIGNIFIED ACTUALLY.
I THINK IT'S KIND OF AGAINST THE LAW TO EXPOSE YOURSELF IN PUBLIC.
UM, IT'S UNHYGIENIC AND IT'S VERY UNSAFE BECAUSE MATTHEW IS 108 POUNDS, UM, ALMOST AS TALL AS ME.
SO TO LIFT HIM, UM, IS VERY DIFFICULT.
I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR ALMOST 23 YEARS.
THE BACK IS GOING, WE'LL SEE HOW MUCH LONGER I CAN DO THAT.
SO THIS IS JUST AN ISSUE THAT I'M SURE, UNLESS YOU KNOW SOMEBODY LIKE US, YOU WOULD NEVER EVEN THINK ABOUT.
AND, UM, WE'RE JUST ONE EXAMPLE.
WE HAVE, UM, FOLKS WITH US THIS EVENING.
WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE LOTS OF HATS.
UM, I AM, UH, PART OF A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN CALLED CHANGING SPACES, AND IT'S A, IT'S A VOLUNTEER CAMPAIGN.
WE, AT THIS POINT HAVE 25 STATES THAT ARE PART OF OUR CAMPAIGN.
IT'S MOSTLY MOMS, UM, AND OUR SONS ARE DAUGHTERS.
UM, IT IS SOME HUSBANDS AND WIVES, UH, BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS A BASIC NEED FOR ANYBODY WHO MIGHT NEED ASSISTANCE WITH CONTINENCE CARE.
SO WE'RE TALKING INDIVIDUALS WITH DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES IN OHIO.
THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 3% OF OUR POPULATION THAT MIGHT NEED THESE.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT THE LOWEST ESTIMATE THAT I COULD COME UP WITH.
SO WE'RE TALKING AROUND 300,000 PEOPLE IN OHIO THAT COULD USE THESE JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR DISABILITIES.
AND MATTHEW DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE BY HIMSELF.
SO NOW YOU CAN TAKE THOSE, THAT 300,000 AND MULTIPLY IT BY TWO BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY WITH THEM.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE WITH US.
SO NOW YOU'RE GETTING OVER A MILLION PEOPLE JUST IN OHIO WHO NEED THESE.
AND AGAIN, WITHOUT THEM, WE'RE LIMITED.
SO TONIGHT I BROUGHT INFORMATION.
UM, ERIN HAS BEEN WONDERFUL TO SHARE MY INFORMATION, HEAR MY STORY, ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US THAT YOU SHARE THIS AS WELL.
BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN NEW CONSTRUCTION IS COMING INTO PLACE, THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE FIX.
IT'S LITERALLY THE CHANGE OF ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS THAT TAKES ABOUT 10 MINUTES, JUST SO AN AREA IS, IS SITUATED PROPERLY.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, IT CAN BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
NOT U USUALLY NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION, BUT IT CAN BE MORE DIFFICULT.
I BROUGHT RESOURCES TONIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS A, A TOPIC NEAR AND DEAR.
WE, I HAVE, UM, WE'VE HAD LEGISLATION IN THE OHIO SENATE AND HOUSE.
WE'VE HAD THREE BILLS IN THE SENATE, ONE IN THE HOUSE.
UM, IN 2020 WHEN THE, UM, OUR, UH, CONCURRENT BILLS DIED, THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL REACHED OUT TO SENATOR LA'S OFFICE.
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SO SHE PUT ME IN TOUCH WITH THEM.AND SO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM SINCE 2020.
WE WROTE CODE, WE WROTE SPECS.
SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CODE AND THE SPECS THAT ARE, UM, THAT WILL BE IN THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE WERE DEEPLY RESEARCHED FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
SO I BRING THIS INFORMATION TO YOU WITH GREAT CONFIDENCE THAT IT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S NEEDED.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SIZE OF THE TABLE AND THE SPACE THAT'S NEEDED THERE, A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THAT.
I AM THE CO-LEAD FOR THE OHIO CHAPTER OF CHANGING SPACES.
UH, MY CO-LEAD AND I TOOK THE CODE TO OHIO, AND IT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
AND ACTUALLY IN THE PACKET, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE, THAT IS THE EXACT LANGUAGE THAT WILL BE IN THE OHIO BUILDING CODE.
AND IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE MARCH 1ST, 2024.
AND THAT WILL BE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WHAT WE DO WHEN WE ADVOCATE IS WE BASICALLY, WE GIVE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AS, 'CAUSE FOLKS WILL SAY, HOW MUCH IS IT? I'VE ALSO INCLUDED TABLES AND SOME PRICES.
UM, PEOPLE WILL SAY, WELL, HOW MUCH SPACE DO I NEED THAT YOU CAN GET FROM THE SPECS? AND THEN THEY SAY, WHERE DO I GET THE MONEY? AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I EVEN HELP WITH THAT AS I CAN.
I ALSO WORK WITH THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY BOARD OF DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY SERVICES, WHO HAS BEEN VERY, VERY ACTIVE IN THIS, IN THIS ARENA.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY HALF MY JOB AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THINGS HAVE TAKEN OFF THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE.
SO THE COUNTY WROTE FOR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDS.
AND STARTING IN, UH, JULY OF LAST YEAR, I GOT, I GOT THE, UH, BENEFIT OF GETTING TO WORK ON THAT PROJECT.
SO WITH THOSE FUNDS, WE'RE INSTALLING A TABLE, UM, AT THE DAYTON INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT CONSTRUCTION.
JUST STARTED THE DAYTON ART INSTITUTE, UH, THE DAYTON METRO LIBRARY, THE MAIN CAMPUS, UM, A COUPLE THAT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT YET,
AND I'M ASKING, UM, YOU TO PLEASE KEEP THIS, UM, IN MIND AS THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS COMING THROUGH.
I'VE ASKED THAT THIS INFORMATION BE SHARED WITH BUCKY'S.
WHEN I LOOK AT BUCKY'S, UM, WEBSITE AND I SEE THAT RESTROOMS ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THEM, IT'S AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, WE, MATTHEW HAS NOT TRAVELED OUT OF OHIO FOR PROBABLY AT LEAST 10 YEARS, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT A WAY FOR US TO DO THAT.
SO IF PLACES LIKE BUCKY'S WOULD HAVE UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLES, WE COULD TRAVEL.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH, UH, MONTGOMERY COUNTY BOARD.
UH, WE ALSO WORK WITH A SELF-ADVOCATE GROUP.
AND, UM, I, WE, WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE JOINING US TONIGHT.
WE HAD A LOT MORE FOLKS THAT WOULD LOVE TO JOIN US.
AND JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE DISABILITIES DOESN'T MEAN THEY NEED THIS.
HOWEVER, THEY ARE STANDING UP AND ADVOCATING FOR THEIR FRIENDS BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM UNFORTUNATELY KNOW TOO WELL WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE ISOLATED AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE CHANGE OUR COMMUNITY SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN BE INVOLVED.
SO THEY WANTED ME TO BE SURE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THEY STAND BEHIND THIS, UM, VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE FOLKS WHO HAVE MEDICAL CONDITIONS THAT MIGHT NEED THESE, THESE TABLES.
SO IT DOES REACH A LARGE POPULATION.
MY HOPE IS THAT WE SHARE THIS WITH BUCKY'S, THIS INFORMATION.
UM, THERE IS A WEBSITE, THE CHANGING SPACES WEBSITE, AND IT'S ON THE PAPERWORK WE HAVE.
ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING YOU WOULD EVER NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THESE TABLES, WE'RE CHANGING IT CONSTANTLY.
SO AS WE LEARN, WE'RE, WE'RE UPDATING.
AS PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS, WE FIND THE ANSWERS AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE INCLUDED.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE VERY ACTIVE AND ABLE TO HELP IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN.
I GET, UM, INQUIRIES DAILY OF BUSINESSES THAT ASK FOR, UM, ME TO COME TO THEIR BUSINESS SO I CAN TAKE A LOOK AND HELP THEM MEASURE AND COME UP WITH IDEAS ON, ON WAYS TO GET THE TABLES PUT IN.
UM, BUT AGAIN, REALLY HOPING, UM, THAT BUCKY'S THE FOLKS, IF THEY'RE COMING HERE, THAT THEY CAN GET THIS INFORMATION AND I HOPE TO BE PARTNER WITH THEM SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
UH, ONE MORE PIECE TO THIS, UM, IS THAT THESE TABLES, THEY ARE HEIGHT ADJUSTABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PUT THEM LOW IN ORDER TO TRANSFER AND PUT THEM HIGHER IN ORDER TO CHANGE.
SOME FOLKS CAN'T SELF TRANSFER AND SOME FOLKS DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY WHO CAN LIFT THEM.
A LOT OF FOLKS, A LOT OF OUR SELF-ADVOCATES.
SO FOR THAT REASON, WE HAVE STARTED ALSO INCLUDING INFORMATION ABOUT LIFTS, UH, THAT CAN BE, UM,
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INCLUDED AS WELL, SO THAT FOLKS CAN BE SAFELY TRANSFERRED FROM THEIR CHAIRS TO, TO THE TABLES.BUT I THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME, LETTING US COME, UM, SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THIS.
I HOPE THAT, UM, YOU'LL, YOU CAN SEE, UM, MY, OUR CHANGING SPACES, UM, EMAIL IS ON THERE.
I'M AVAILABLE AT ANY TIME FOR ANY QUESTIONS, ANY HELP THAT'S NE NECESSARY.
ANY FOLKS THAT ARE COMING INTO OUR, OUR CITY.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR HUBER LIBRARY HAS, HAS THE TABLE.
MATTHEW AND I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 2014.
WE'VE ASKED SO MANY PEOPLE TO PUT TABLES IN.
AND THE ONE THAT WENT INTO HUBER HEIGHTS LIBRARY WAS THE VERY FIRST TABLE THAT WE ASKED FOR THAT ACTUALLY WENT IN
SO IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF PRIDE THAT THE TOWN THAT I LIVE IN IS STARTING TO LISTEN AND IS STARTING TO TAKE ACTION.
AND I HOPE THAT THAT CONTINUES.
ANY QUESTIONS, MS. BARGO? YES.
UH, JENNIFER, THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION AND I'M SORRY THAT I WASN'T ABLE TO COMPREHEND ALL OF IT BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO READ THE PACKET AND LISTEN TO YOU AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT, UH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THIS BOARD, ARE YOU ASKING US ARE YOU WANTING, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO DO WHAT THE STATE SAYS, UH, OR IF YOU'RE ASKING US TO HAVE THE BUSINESSES TO PROVIDE A SPACE OR THE TABLES, OR BOTH? BOTH.
I'M, I'M ASKING YOU TO, TO HELP THE BUSINESSES COMING INTO, TO CONSIDER.
SO JUST LIKE YOU MOST LIKELY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THESE TABLES UNTIL I BROUGHT THIS TO YOU, I'M ASKING YOU TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING IN TO OUR TOWN SO THAT THEY, THEY WILL THINK ABOUT THIS AHEAD OF TIME VERSUS TRYING TO GO BACK AND DO A RETROFIT.
'CAUSE THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.
AND HOW WOULD YOU SUGGEST, HOW ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE SHARE THIS INFORMATION? WELL, ACTUALLY AARON HAS ALREADY STARTED DOING THAT.
UM, SO AS LONG AS JUST, JUST TALKING WITH THEM.
SO I, I WAS LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION THAT'S, THAT'S WITH THE PACKET TONIGHT FOR THE, FOR THE PRESENTATION.
AND I WAS LOOKING AT, UM, ONE DOCUMENT THAT TALKED ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF IT BEING WHERE IT IS, WHERE, WHERE IT WILL BE LOCATED, UM, IF IT GOES FORWARD.
AND SO IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE FOR A TRAVEL CENTER TO HAVE A SPOT IN WHICH WE COULD CHANGE, YOU KNOW, MATTHEW, JUST LIKE THE REST OF US WOULD STOP THERE TO USE THE FACILITIES TO GET THE GAS AND, AND BUY OUR, OUR GOODS AND MOVE ON.
SO THAT'S WHY I'VE BROUGHT IT TO THIS GROUP, JUST SO THAT YOU COULD BE AWARE.
YOU, YOU ARE THE FIRST FOLKS THAT ARE TALKING TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE COMING IN, INTO HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO IF YOU CAN JUST SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THEM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
IF I'M AWARE OF ANYBODY COMING IN AND I'M ABLE TO TALK WITH FOLKS, THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER OPTION AS WELL.
AND I DO WANT ONE LAST QUESTION.
AND IS, IS THERE ONLY, IS THERE ONE SOURCE FOR THE TABLES OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THERE, THERE WOULD BE COMPETITION TO PROVIDE THE TABLES? THERE IS COMPETITION.
THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMPANIES YOU CAN GET THEM FROM A REHAB MART, MED MART, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TYPICAL, UM, EQUIPMENT COMPANIES.
MAX ABILITY IS A VERY, UM, WELL-KNOWN COMPANY BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THEY, THEY THEY WORK WITH AND THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING THEM IN ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UM, SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE SPECS AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO PUSH THOSE SPECS AND TO SHARE THOSE WITH PEOPLE.
BECAUSE IF YOU GOOGLE ADULT CHANGING TABLES, THERE ARE A LOT THAT ARE FIRST OF ALL, FIXED.
AND, UM, I CAN TELL YOU OUR TENNESSEE ADVOCATE, HER DAUGHTER IS ABLE TO WALK, SO SHE HAS TO GET ON A TABLE, BUT IF IT'S FIXED TOO HIGH, SHE CAN'T DO THAT.
AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN'T THINK ABOUT.
SO THAT'S WHY THE HEIGHT ADJUSTABILITY IS SO IMPORTANT.
BUT ANOTHER THING THAT HAPPENS IS THERE'S, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN TABLES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN BY PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, BUT THE TABLES ARE 48 INCHES LONG AND THERE ARE MANY ADULTS WHO ARE, ARE, ARE LONGER THAN 48 INCHES.
SO THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY CONSIDERED A CHILD TABLE.
SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS TAKING OFF.
WE HAVE SEEN MORE GROWTH, UM, IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS THAN I'VE SEEN SINCE 2014.
THE GOVERNOR IS PUSHING, UH, DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES.
THEY'RE PUSHING, IT'S IN THE BUDGET.
THERE WILL BE FUNDING FOR UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLES.
UM, D O D D IS RIGHT NOW WORKING ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, HOW, HOW THAT MONEY WILL BE DISPERSED ACROSS THE STATE.
SO IT'S COMING AND I'M REMINDING THEM OFTEN AND, AND WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
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SEEING THOSE TYPES OF, UM, SITUATIONS OCCURRING, UM, THROUGH THE BUDGET.UM, UM, ACCESSIBILITY OHIO HAS, HAS BEEN STARTED, UH, THROUGH, UM, O O D OPPORTUNITIES FOR OHIOANS WITH DISABILITIES.
AND SO THERE'S A, THEY'VE HIRED FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY COVERING OHIO.
AND ANYBODY CAN GO TO THIS RESOURCE AND SAY, I WANT MY BUSINESS OR MY PLACE TO BE ACCESSIBLE, HELP US KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
AND THEY WILL, THE, THE CHANGING SPACES ADVOCATES, WE ARE ACTUALLY THE RESOURCE THAT THEY WILL PASS OUT.
SO IF IT COMES TO TABLES, THEY SIT, THEY PUT THOSE FOLKS IN TOUCH WITH US.
SO THEY'RE KIND OF THE HUB FOR ALL OF OHIO FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO THEM TO LEARN HOW DO I BECOME ACCESSIBLE? SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY TAKING OFF.
I'M REALLY EXCITED TO, TO TO KNOW THIS LIVING, YOU KNOW, THE LIFE THAT WE LIVE.
WE HAVE ALWAYS WORKED VERY, VERY HARD TO BE FULLY INCLUDED.
PETER'S, UM, WHICH IS NOT THE TYPICAL ROUTE AT ALL.
UM, IT TOOK STARTING A NONPROFIT TO RAISE THE FUNDING FOR THAT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, LEAVE THE PUBLIC SCHOOL, YOU, YOU SIGN AWAY YOUR RIGHTS TO GET SERVICES BECAUSE THE PRIVATE SCHOOL CAN IS ABLE TO CHOOSE.
UM, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT GAVE HIM THE FRAMEWORK THAT HE NEEDED AS, AS A PERSON WHO'S A PART OF HIS COMMUNITY.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT HAS EVER STOPPED US OR SLOWED US DOWN HAS BEEN THE LACK OF THESE TABLES.
BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU, WE WENT A FEW YEARS OF JUST NOT GOING OUT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU, WE, WE LIKE TO GO TO THE SCHUSTER.
UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU SPEND MONEY ON TICKETS, YOU GET ALL DRESSED UP AND YOU HOPE YOU GET TO STAY.
AND IT'S JUST A VERY DIFFERENT FEELING.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT TO GO ANYWHERE ANYWAY.
SO WHEN YOU ADD THAT WORRY ON TOP OF IT, IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE.
AND, UM, THE, UM, THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY BOARD ALSO LOANS OUT A TABLE AND WE, WE LOANED OUR TABLE TO THE OHIO STATE FAIR.
SO THE OHIO STATE FAIR HAD OUR TABLE THIS YEAR, SO WE WENT AND SPENT THE DAY.
I CAN'T TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE THAT IT FEELS TO KNOW YOU'VE GONE TO COLUMBUS.
WE'VE DRIVEN, WE CAN ENJOY THE DAY AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY.
WE CAN SIMPLY GO USE THE RESTROOM IF WE NEED TO.
IS YOUR ADVOCACY RIGHT NOW ONLY IN OHIO? YOU STARTING IN OHIO, OR ARE YOU OTHER, OTHER STATES? WE, WE ARE WORKING ON OHIO, BUT WE ARE TIED TO THE OTHER STATES, AND I CAN TELL YOU, SO WE'RE DAILY, WE'RE TALKING TO ADVOCATES FROM ALL THE 24 OTHER STATES.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE IS THAT ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS, WE PUT IT, WE PUT IT OUT THERE AS CHANGING SPACES, OHIO, ON OUR FACEBOOK.
AND THEN, THEN OUR OTHER ADVOCATES PUT IT ON THEIRS AS WELL.
SO IT GOES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND THE RECENT TALK OF THE COUNTRY IS THAT OHIO IS IN THE LEAD IN, IN WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING ODOT UM, HAD, UM, CONSULTED WITH US AND THEY ARE NOW STARTING A THREE YEAR PROGRAM THAT STARTS NEXT YEAR TO REDO 28 REST AREAS.
AND THEY'VE INCLUDED THE CHANGING TABLES IN, IN THEIR PLANS.
SO WE'VE JUST HAD SO MANY HUGE WINS LIKE THAT TALK, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY BOARD, I GET TO TALK TO ALL THE COUNTY BOARDS.
SO NOW WE HAVE 88 COUNTIES WHO ARE INDIVIDUALLY TRYING TO WORK ON THIS.
IT'S PULLING OHIO UP AND ABOVE.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS THE OTHER ADVOCATES HEAR WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND THEN THEY TRY IT IN THEIR STATE, AND THEN I LISTEN TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO WE'RE REALLY MAKING A MOVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND WHEN WE STARTED THIS BACK IN 2014, I SAID, MATTHEW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA PUSH FOR THIS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IN OUR LIFETIME WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY HAVE A COMMUNITY WHERE WE CAN JUST GO OUT AND BE FREE.
AND THEN IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, I'VE SAID, GOSH, MAYBE WE WILL.
SO WE JUST ASK THAT YOU, YOU HELP US MOVE THAT FORWARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST ONE ITEM OF NOTE.
UM, WE RECENTLY, UH, MET WITH OUR ARCHITECTS WHO ARE WORKING ON THE SENIOR CENTER IN THE CIVIC CENTER AND HAVE SINCE REDESIGNED THE FAMILY RESTROOM TO ACCOMMODATE A, UH, A UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT,
WE WILL, WE WILL PASS THIS INFORMATION ALONG AND, AND, AND THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK.
UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA, UH, NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THE RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
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THE FOLLOWING OATH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD, THANK YOU.UH, WHEN YOU DO APPROACH THE THE PODIUM, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SHEET PROVIDED.
OUR FIRST ITEM, UH, IN UNDERPINNING BUSINESS IS A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IS THOMAS E DSA IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING FOR COMMERCIAL B THREE TO PLAN PI TO CONSTRUCT A TRUCK STOP AND REPAIR FACILITY ON APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AND ARTS ROAD, R Z B D P 22 DASH 35.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AARON RELL, UH, SO I WON'T GO THROUGH THIS SITE DETAILS.
UH, WE HA THIS IS THE, UH, THE LOCATION ARTS AND TECHNOLOGY.
UH, SO THERE IS, UH, SOME, QUITE SOME HISTORY, UH, AS FAR AS THE REVIEW OF THE MEETINGS BETWEEN, UH, THIS COMMISSION AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THOSE ARE THE LISTS, UH, OF THE, THE VARIOUS SESSIONS THAT WE HAVE MET ON THIS TOPIC IN MAY, UH, CITY COUNCIL REMANDED THE CASE BACK TO THIS, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER A FACILITY WITH A, A LARGER TRUCK PARKING AREA AND A REFINED OPERATIONS PLAN.
UM, THE ACTUAL MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND AUTO PARKING REMAIN UNCHANGED.
UH, AT THAT CASE, YOU HAD REQUESTED KIND OF MORE DETAIL, UH, OUTLINE OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, UH, AT THE VARIOUS COUNSEL WORK SESSIONS AND, UH, MEETINGS.
SO BEGINNING IN JANUARY, UM, THERE WAS REALLY JUST KIND OF GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THIS FACILITY IS DIFFERENT FROM A TRADITIONAL, UH, TRUCK STOP.
THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF OVERNIGHT SLEEPING AND THE ISSUES THAT ARISE FROM THOSE TRADITIONAL TRUCK STOPS.
UM, AND SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THE TIME WERE CLEAR THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE OVERNIGHT, UH, SLEEPING.
UH, I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE DETAILS, BUT, UM, IN GENERAL, AT THE END OF THE WORK SESSION, THERE WAS JUST A, A DESIRE TO SEE KIND OF A BETTER DEFINED OPERATIONS PLAN, UH, UM, THAT, UH, WOULD DISCUSS HOW THE FACILITY WOULD BE STAFFED, ADVERTISED, AND THEN ACCESS CONTROL.
SO THE APPLICANT HAD PROVIDED A RESPONSE IN LATE FEBRUARY.
UH, WE THEN MOVED FORWARD WITH THE, UH, ANOTHER WORK SESSION AND PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THERE WAS CONS, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION AND ACCESSIBILITY OF THE FACILITY, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE AT THE TIME, THE, THE IDEA WAS THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE LIMITED, BUT THE, THE TRUCKERS WORK ON VARIOUS SCHEDULES.
SOME WORK A TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, 12 HOUR 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM SHIFT.
OTHERS, YOU KNOW, GO OUT AT TWO IN THE MORNING.
AND SO HOW WOULD, UH, THEY GET TO, TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT FACILITY.
SO COUNCIL REQUESTED ADDITIONAL DETAILS, UH, RE REGARDING ADVERTISING ACCESS CONTROL, AND THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION ABOUT OVERFLOW PARKING.
IF A, IF A DRIVER TO ARRIVE WHEN THE FACILITY WAS CLOSED, HOW DO WE KEEP THEM FROM PARKING ON ARTS AND TECHNOLOGY.
UH, AND THEN BASICALLY THOSE TWO STREETS BEING A DEFACTO, UH, TRUCK STOP.
SO THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A, A PRETTY DETAILED RESPONSE ON APRIL 15TH REGARDING, UH, THE BUSINESS PLAN AND THE OPERATIONS, HOW IT WOULD BE, UH, MANAGED, ADVERTISED, UH, AND OVERNIGHT STAY WAS MENTIONED, UH, REALLY IS THE LAST SENTENCE IN THE, UM, IN THAT LETTER AS A POSSIBLE SOLUTION FOR, UH, THOSE LIMITED HOURS OF OPERATION.
SO AT THE APRIL 23RD WORK SESSION, AND THEN AGAIN AT THE MAY COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME SUPPORT TO, SO GO BACK.
THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT WANTING A LARGER SITE.
SO THE APPLICANT REVISED THE SITE TO, TO, UH, INCLUDE 30, UH, PARKING SPACES.
UM, SO AT THE WORK SESSION AND THEN SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS SOME SUPPORT SUPPORTED, UH, THAT WAS, UH, FOR THAT LARGER SITE PLAN.
AGAIN, THERE WAS ADDITIONAL CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE OVERNIGHT STAY AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PARKING ON OVERFLOW, PARKING ON ARTS AND TECHNOLOGY.
THOSE WERE KIND OF THE, THE TWO DOMINANT, UH, TOPICS, UH, OR QUESTIONS THAT, AND CONCERNS THAT COUNSEL EXPRESSED.
UH, THE APPLICANT RESPONDED THAT, THAT, THAT TIME, THAT OVERNIGHT STAY WAS, WAS REALLY JUST A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO THO TO ADDRESS THE LIMITED HOURS OF OPERATION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY ONE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO, UH, SINCE THE CASE WAS, SINCE THE SITE PLAN WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER, UH, THAN WHAT THIS COMMISSION APPROVED ON MAY 8TH, UH, COUNCIL REMANDED VOTED TO REMAND THAT CASE BACK TO THIS BODY TO CONSIDER THAT LARGER SITE PLAN.
SO THIS IS SUCH, UH, THE, THE LARGER SITE PLAN, IT WENT FROM, UH, 12 SEMI-TRUCK PARKING SPACES
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TO 30.UH, THE FACILITY, THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY, THE PARKING FOR THE EMPLOYEES OF THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY REMAINS UNCHANGED.
UH, THERE IS, UH, IT IS A SECURE FACILITY WITH PERIMETER FENCING, UH, AND A, UH, AND, UH, AND A CONTROLLED ACCESS, UM, GATE.
SO THIS IS, UH, WHOOPS, ONE OF THE, THE RENDERINGS THAT WAS PROPOSED OF THE INITIAL FACILITY.
UH, THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.
UM, SO AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT DETAILS, THE APPLICANT DOES FEEL THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR SUPPORT SERVICES FOR THOSE TRUCKERS WHO HAVE MAXIMIZED THEIR HOURS.
UH, THERE IS A PROPOSED 4,500 SQUARE FOOT MAINTENANCE FACILITY, UH, AND THE PARKING WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE DRIVER OPERATORS TO REST OFFSITE, BUT IT'S, THE IDEA IS TO PARK THE TRUCK AND THEN REST OFFSITE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, I'LL GO THROUGH THESE BRIEFLY.
THIS IS, UH, UNDER THE OLD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS A GATEWAY AND GROWTH AREA.
UH, AND SO IT IS, UH, AN IDEA TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHILE AT THE SAME TIME PROVIDING ATTRACTIVE GATEWAY INTO THE, INTO THE, UM, COMMUNITY.
SO THE REZONING FROM B STAFF FEELS THAT THE REZONING FROM B THREE TO PLANNED INDUSTRIAL COULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IF THIS PROVIDED THAT VALUE ADD SERVICE AND WAS NOT JUST A, A TRUCK DROP LOT.
SO THAT IS WHY THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY WAS ADDED.
SO THAT, UM, SO THAT THERE WAS MORE OF A LARGER, UM, BENEFIT TO THE SURROUNDING OPERATOR, UH, TRUCK OPERATORS.
UM, AS FAR AS CONCERN PERFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, UH, IT DOES MEET ALL.
IT IS A PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED USE IN THE PLAIN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
ALL OF THE, UH, UH, STANDARDS FOR THE CHAPTER ARE MET.
UH, STREET TREES ARE INDICATED.
THE BUILDING SETBACKS APPROPRIATE, THE PROPOSED BUILDING FACADE WAS AT LEAST 30% MASONARY.
BUT AT THE TIME WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED, WHEN THE FIRST ITERATION WAS APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THE CONDITION WAS FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY.
UM, THEN THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO INDICATED THAT ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER CHAPTER 11 81, 82 AND 85 WOULD BE MET DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE.
SO IT'S STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT IF THE, UH, COMMISSION FEELS THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND THE STANDARDS FOR DEVELOPMENT CAN BE MET, THEN WE RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE, UH, COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING CODE.
ALL PARKING LOADING AREAS WILL BE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE.
THEY, THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT A PHASING PLAN FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, BY THIS COMMISSION AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, FOR NO ACTIVITIES INCLUDING PARKING, STORAGE, SITE IMPROVEMENTS SHALL OCCUR UNLESS THEY'RE, UH, UNTIL A, UH, THE BUILDING IS, IS APPROVED, BUILT, CONSTRUCTED, AND A ZONING CERTIFICATE, UH, ISSUED.
THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING WILL BE A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY UNLESS, UH, UH, UNLESS THAT APPROVED OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THIS BODY DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, AND SIX, I'VE ADDED, UH, BASED ON THE CONSIDERABLE CON CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD, THAT, UH, NO OVERNIGHT STAYING OR SLEEPING BY DRIVERS OR OTHER CUSTOMERS SHALL BE PERMITTED.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? AARON? IN THE STAFF NOTES FROM THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THIS, THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THIS WOULD, UM, END UP SIMPLY BEING SORT OF A DROP LAW IN THAT THIS LATEST VERSION OF THE MEMO.
DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S BEEN SUFFICIENTLY RESOLVED OR DOES THAT REMAIN A CONCERN? SO THE, UH, I, I TOOK THAT OUT MORE FOR BREVITY OF THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, ITEM, UH, CONDITION NUMBER, UH, THREE AND FOUR KIND OF ADDRESS THAT SO THAT THE IDEA THAT THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY IS CONSTRUCTED, UH, BEFORE ANY OPERATIONS ARE, UH, OCCUR ON THAT SITE ALLEVIATES THE CONCERN FROM, FROM STAFF.
UM, WHAT WE WERE, WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT WE WOULD GET THROUGH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, APPROVAL ZONING PERMITS WOULD BE ISSUED, THE ACTUAL PARKING LOT WAS CONSTRUCTED, BUT NOBU BUILDING EVER MATERIALIZED.
THUS, UH, WE WILL NOT ISSUE A ZONING CERTIFICATE UNTIL THAT BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED.
SO THAT, THAT WAS OUR WAY OF, OF, OF, OF MITIGATING THAT, UH, THAT CONCERN AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
AND ALL THE LOTS DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH ARE ALSO COMMERCIAL.
ARE THEY ALSO B THREE? UM, ALONG THE, UH, CORRIDOR OF, WAS THAT 2 35? YEAH, SO, UM, ALMOST EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH AND NORTHEAST
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IS ZONED SOME V VERSION OF INDUSTRIAL, EITHER PLANNED INDUSTRIAL I ONE OR I TWO.UH, THE MAJORITY OF THIS FACILITIES ON THE WEST SIDE, SO THIS IS MOSTLY PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
AND TO THE NORTH WHERE DAYTON FREIGHT, UH, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, IS PLANNED INDUSTRIAL.
SO ALMOST EVERYTHING AROUND THERE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, THE WENDY'S AND A FEW SMALLER, UM, UH, THERE'S A MARATHON STATION, I BELIEVE THE GAS STATION.
OTHER THAN THAT EVERYTHING IS INDUSTRIAL OR WILL PROBABLY BECOME INDUSTRIAL AT SOME POINT.
IT MAY BE AGRICULTURE, BUT WILL IS LIKELY TO FLIP TO INDUSTRIAL OR A LARGE COMMERCIAL USER.
UM, IT'S STATED IN, UH, MR. DEE'S LETTER THAT ACCESS TO SANITARY SERVICE MAY BE ON HOLD UNTIL THE END OF 2023.
WHERE DOES THAT STAND NOW? YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UH, SO WE ARE BRINGING A LINE DOWN 2 35, UH, IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
AARON, WITH THIS BEING A GATEWAY, IMMEDIATELY NORTH IS WHAT, LIKE MEGA CITY, THE MEGA CITY FIRE, FULL BRICK, THE TACO BELL, WENDY'S, ALL THAT.
SO IT IS KIND OF A TRANSITION, NOT JUST INDUSTRIAL RIGHT AT THE FRONT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND THEN, SO JUST MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THAT.
AND THEN, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTING, IT'S LABELED, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTING A TRUCK STOP, WHICH I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF TRIED TO CLARIFY THAT, BUT IT IS WHAT IT READS AS IN THERE, IS THERE, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO REQUIRE THAT THEY ACTUALLY ACTIVATE THE BUILDING, RIGHT? ONCE IT'S BUILT, THE PERMITS ARE GONNA GO, WHETHER THEY EVER EMPLOY OR PUT ANYBODY IN THERE OR NOT, CORRECT.
WOULD NOTHING CAN DO TO REQUIRE IT.
YOU WOULD THINK THE DEBT SERVICE WOULD, WOULD, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE THEM TO ACTIVATE IT AND LEASE OUT THAT SPACE, BUT WELL, ACCORDING TO THEIR LETTER, IT'S ONLY GONNA ACCOUNT FOR UP TO 15% OF THEIR REVENUE, WHICH IS RIGHT.
NOT A FOCUS OF THEIR ENERGY OF AS A BUSINESS, USUALLY.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THAT CHOPPING WALK LINES USUALLY.
THERE, THERE IS REALLY NO TEETH THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE THAT THE BUILDING ACTUALLY BE ACTIVATED.
UM, BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING IS REQUIRING A BUILDING THAT WOULD THEN, YOU KNOW, TAKE VERY LITTLE EFFORT TO BE ACTIVATED WHEN THEY FIND A, UM, A, A LEASE OR A LEASE OR TO, UM, WORK ON THAT, UH, TO DO THAT, THE MECHANIC SIDE OF IT.
AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY EARLY ON WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE APPLICANT THAT WE WANTED TO SEE A BUILDING HERE, IT WAS ALWAYS GONNA BE THAT THEY WOULD FIND A MECHANIC TO LEASE OUT TO THAT, UH, THE BUILDING.
THE OWNER WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE THE LEASE OR YOU SEE LEASE OR ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, THANK YOU SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? HI, I AM, UH, TOM DUSA, AND I'M, UH, I'LL SIGN IN HERE IN A SECOND.
UM, I JUST, UM, WANT TO JUST RESPOND TO WHAT, HOW AARON'S PRESENTED IT AND THE FACT THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO REALLY ADD TO WHAT HE'S, UH, KIND OF PUT TOGETHER, WHICH IS BASICALLY A SYNOPSIS OF THE WHOLE SITUATION SINCE DECEMBER.
UM, AND I DID, I DID WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT ALL ALONG.
I'VE NEVER, WE'VE NEVER REALLY, WE, WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE PRESENTED WHAT WE WANTED TO TRY TO DO.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT SIZE WAS NOT REALLY PART OF OUR THINKING, BUT THAT WAS A REQUEST.
SO THAT'S A MAJOR INVESTMENT AND, UM, WE'VE ADDED THAT AND, UH, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE FOOLISH NOT FOR US TO NOT USE IT AND GET THE MONEY OUT OF THAT TO HELP PAY THAT, THAT THING OFF.
SO WE DEFINITELY WILL BE DOING ALL THAT.
UM, BUT ALL ALONG OUR, OUR MAIN EMPHASIS IS TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOUR CONCERNS WERE BOTH WITH THIS, WITH THE PLANNING AND ALSO WITH THE CITY AND, AND BASICALLY DO WHAT YOU WANT.
SO, AND I UN UNLESS SOMEBODY CAN TELL ME DIFFERENT, I, I BELIEVE WE'VE TRIED TO DO THAT AND IF, IF THERE'S SOME DIFFERENCES OF OPINION AS TO THINKING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SLIP SOMETHING IN THAT'S ONLY, IT'S NOT THAT WE WERE JUST TRYING TO RESPOND TO THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE ASKING US TO DO THINGS, BUT ALL ALONG OUR EFFORT WAS TO DO WHAT YOU GUYS WERE ASKING.
AND AS FAR AS THESE SIX COMMENTS, I, THEY, THEY REALLY
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HAVEN'T CHANGED TO WHAT WE AGREED TO THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE.THE ONLY THING I THINK SIX WAS ADDED, BUT, AND, AND THE ONLY THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR SIX IS BY STATING THAT YOU GUYS OR THIS COMMITTEE ARE, ARE ACTUALLY TELLING US THAT WE DO HAVE TO CLOSE, WE CANNOT BE OPEN 24 7 FOR THE OVERNIGHT SLEEPING, BECAUSE THE MAIN EMPHASIS ON SOMEBODY STAYING IN THE VEHICLE WAS WE WOULDN'T LET SOMEBODY BE IN OUR PLACE, WHICH IS A SECURED PLACE WITH A FENCE, SECURITY CAMERAS, WITHOUT HAVING SOMEBODY THERE TO CONTROL WHO, WHO WAS IN AND OUT.
AND WHEN THEY COME IN TO BUY TO, TO, TO LEASE THAT TIME, THERE'S GONNA BE REQUIREMENTS.
AND IF THEY BREAK THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE.
AND THE ONLY THING I MEANT WHEN I BROUGHT THAT IN WAS AS, AS WAS MENTIONED BY AARON, WAS THAT IF SOMEBODY NEEDED TO HAVE ACCESS, BECAUSE FOR THE GROUP OF PEOPLE, AND IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT BY ANY MEANS THAT ARE GONNA BE USING THIS AS A PLACE TO, UH, TO, TO REST THEIR TRUCKS, UM, THEY'RE, EVERYBODY'S ON A DIFFERENT TIME PERIOD.
THEY COULD PULL IN IN THE MORNING, I WOULD ASSUME, AND SLEEP DURING THE DAY.
AND THEY MIGHT, IF THEY HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE, FINE, BUT THE WAY THIS READS IS THE ONLY TIME THEY CAN'T STAY IN THEIR TRUCK IS, IS IF IT'S OVERNIGHT.
NOW THAT'S ASSUMING THAT WE'RE CLOSED.
I, I'M ASSUMING, SO ARE WE UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY CAN STAY IN THE TRUCK AS LONG AS THERE'S A GUARD THERE? IS THAT, SO THE, THIS CONDITION WAS MY ATTEMPT, UH, AT DRAFTING, UH, AN ENFORCEABLE CONDITION THAT IF WE GET TO THE POINT OF WHERE WE HAVE A, A TRADITIONAL TRUCK STOP, WHERE, UM, WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS SLEEPING IN THEIR CABS FOR THEIR REQUIRED EIGHT, 10 HOURS, WHATEVER THAT, UH, THAT BREAK PERIOD IS THAT WE HAVE, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNSEL, WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO, UH, ENFORCE THAT, THAT SITUATION.
UM, I AM, I HAVE NO PRIDE OF AUTHORSHIP.
IF THERE IS A, A BETTER WAY TO, TO PHRASE THAT.
UH, THE IDEA WAS NOT TO RESTRICT 24 HOUR ACCESS OR TO BE OPEN 24 HOURS IF THERE'S AN EMPLOYEE ON DUTY, BUT I BELIEVE THAT MANY, UH, FROM WHAT I HEARD, BUT FROM THIS BODY, UH, AND ALSO, UM, DURING THE NUMEROUS DELIBERATIONS, UH, AT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, OVERNIGHT STAY IS, IS A TOP CONCERN.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE JUST HANGING OUT, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT OVERNIGHT, SLEEPING INTO WHERE THIS TRANSITIONS TO A TRADITIONAL TRUCK STOP AS, AS WE THINK OF THEM USUALLY, UH, IS A, IS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN.
CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WHAT IS THE CONCERN HISTORICALLY? UM, YOU HAVE, UH, SORT OF ANCILLARY USES THAT OCCUR WITH, WITH TRUCK STOPS, UM, FROM VISITORS, PROSTITUTION, ET CETERA, REGARDLESS, AND ANY, IF YOU, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE, THE LOVES, THE FLYING JAYS, THE, THE LARGER TRUCK STOPS, THEY'RE STILL STAFFED 24 HOURS, THEY STILL HAVE THESE SAME ISSUES.
GRANTED, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS, UM, UH, CONTROLLED ACCESS WHERE THE OTHERS ARE NOT.
UM, BUT THIS WAS MY ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS, UM, THE CONCERNS THAT I HEARD.
AND, AND I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A CLARIFICATION.
IT, IT WOULD APPEAR TO ME THAT THE, THE REAL ISSUE WHEN, WHEN THIS IS BEING MENTIONED IS YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING AT IT AS A, AS AN UNCONTROLLED SITUATION, AN UNMONITORED SITUATION.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION BEFORE, IF THEY COME AND THEY SLEEP DURING THE DAY, IT APPEARS THAT THAT MIGHT BE O OKAY.
BUT IF THEY, IF IT'S OVERNIGHT, YOU DON'T WANT IT.
WELL, THE, THE WHOLE, MY, THE REAL THING IS DO WE HAVE THE SECURITY, IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY THERE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SLEEP IN YOUR TRUCK NOW THEY'RE GONNA, IT'S GONNA COST THEM MORE, BUT IT MIGHT BE CHEAPER FOR THEM TO DO THAT THAN TO GO GET A, A UBER AND GET IN A HOTEL.
SO THEY MIGHT CHOOSE TO DO THAT, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE RESTRICTIONS THEN.
AND IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW THOSE, THEY WOULD BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE ASKED TO LEAVE WITHOUT GETTING THEIR MONEY BACK.
SO I, I AGREE WITH YOU AND, AND NOT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE, I NEVER NECESSARILY WORRY ABOUT THE FIRST OWNER.
I WORRY ABOUT THE SUBSEQUENT OWNERS.
UH, AND, UM, WHAT, WHAT, SO THAT WAS AN ATTEMPT, AGAIN, FOR US TO HAVE SOME ENFORCEMENT ABILITY IN THE FUTURE IF IT BECAME A, BECOMES A PROBLEM.
SO I, I'M JUST, OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, WE'RE WILLING, AS I, WE ALWAYS WERE TO DO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING US TO DO AND FOLLOW THE ZONING
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CODE IF, FOR THE NEW ZONING THAT'S THERE.SO MR. JEFF, I MEAN, I, I WOULD SAY IF WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO EIGHT TO 10 HOUR REST THROUGH THE DAY AND NOT THROUGH THE NIGHT, WE, WE, WE ARE A TRUCK STOP.
I MEAN, NO MATTER WHAT WE CHANGE OUTSIDE OR ENFORCEMENT OR WHATEVER, IT'S A TRUCK STOP.
IF, IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT TERM, YEAH, THE TRUCK IS STOPPED AND SITTING THERE.
BUT IF YOU THINK OF A TRADITIONAL TRUCK, THE DRIVER, THE DRIVER REST FOR THEIR REQUIRED AMOUNT OF TIME OR WHATEVER, WHEN WE STARTED THIS, IT WAS, THEY ARE GOING TO DROP IT AND TAKE A CAR, UBER OR TRANSPORTATION TO A LOCAL HOTEL.
NOW IT'S, THEY MIGHT, OR THEY COULD OR WE COULD CHARGE THEM MORE TO STAY THIS MUD'S THE WATER'S EVEN MORE FOR ME IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
MAYBE I'LL, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS IT THAT BOTHERS YOU ABOUT THAT, THAT GOING ON THERE? WHICH PART? THE PART THAT SOMEBODY'S STAYING IN THEIR VEHICLE.
WELL, I BELIEVE WE HAVE CERTAIN CODES ABOUT AND HOW TO HANDLE TRUCK STOPS FOR ONE.
THERE'S A REASON, I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUSLY HAD QUESTIONS SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY 'CAUSE IT'S STILL GOING.
THE, THE, I ASSUME THAT THE OVERNIGHT KIND OF ADDRESSED THE STOPPING AND RESTING PART, BUT NOW THAT DOESN'T EVEN ADDRESS THAT WHICH ENFORCEMENT IS A HUGE CONCERN ON NOT JUST THE FIRST OWNER, BUT EVERY OWNER AFTER THAT.
BECAUSE ONCE IT'S APPROVED, IT'S APPROVED.
AND IF WE DON'T CHANGE OUR RULES WITH THE OWNER, WHOEVER THEY ARE, THIS ONE OR DOWN THE ROAD CHANGES THE RULES, WE'RE STUCK TO.
WHAT RULE WOULD YOU SAY WE'RE GONNA BE CHANGING DURING THE ENFORCEMENT OR THE GATED ACCESS, THE COMING AND GOING, THE 24 HOUR, UH, ONSITE, ANY OF THAT, THAT, IF WHOEVER OWNS THAT COMPANY IN THE FUTURE EVER DECIDES TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES? WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TEETH AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WE'VE APPROVED IT.
IT HAPPENS IN OTHER BUSINESSES AND IT'S HAPPENED IN OTHER BUSINESSES IN THIS CITY BEFORE.
SO IF YOU, I'M NOT REALLY FOLLOWING THAT SAYING, IF YOU WANNA SCRATCH OVERNIGHT, THEN I THINK THAT'S ADDRESSED YOUR ISSUE.
I I THINK IT, IT IS A TRUCK STOP.
TRUCK STOPS MORE THAN THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT HAS A PLACE TO EAT, TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, TO SHOWER, TO DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
NO, A DROP LOT THEN WHATEVER IT IS WHERE, HOWEVER WE WANNA LABEL IT, WHAT DO WE HAVE? WHAT IS OUR CODE ON TRUCK STOPS? THAT'S A NUMBER OF YEARS THAT THEY, WE WEREN'T REALLY ALLOWED OR WE ZONED THEM 'CAUSE WE HAD SOME ISSUES.
WE ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATED TRUCK STOPS, UH, OUT OF EVERY DISTRICT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UM, YOU COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR IN, IN PLANNED INDUSTRIAL.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, UM, THEY'RE, THEY ARE EFFECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE IN PLANNED INDUSTRIAL A RESTAURANT, A GAS STATION, ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
AND THEY'RE EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATED AND PLANNED COMMERCIAL, WHICH THIS IS BETWEEN RESTAURANTS AND GAS STATIONS.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS PARCEL? NO, THIS PARCEL IS SURROUND, WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY SURROUNDED, BUT THERE ARE ACROSS THE STREET OR THE RESTAURANTS AND A BLOCK SOUTH IS GAS STATION.
RIGHT? SO A LONG BLOCK NORTH IS A WENDY'S, SEVERAL OF THEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, WOULD YOU BE, WOULD YOU FEEL BETTER IF WE ELIMINATED THE WORD OVERNIGHT IN NUMBER SIX? I, I, I JUST, YOU GUYS WOULD, WOULD, SHOULD PROBABLY DO THAT.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANT, I WAS JUST BRINGING THAT TO YOUR POINT, THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE THE PEOPLE STAY THERE.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT.
RIGHT? BUT AS I SAID, WHAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION WAS, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THESE PEOPLE ON DIFFERENT TIME ZONES? AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA HURT OUR POSSIBILITY OF GETTING REVENUE.
BUT THE OTHER POINT, AND I SAID IT BEFORE I'LL, I'LL REPEAT IT, IS THIS, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE IS JUST A SMALL PORTION, OR NOT A SMALL, IT'S A, JUST A PORTION.
I, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA RESPOND TO IT IF IT'S NOT CONVENIENT TO THEM.
MAYBE THEY WON'T BE DRIVING DOWN 70 AND SWING IN THERE AND, AND TAKE CARE OF, OF THEIR, THEIR HOURS.
THEY'LL GO TO THE PARKING LOT OF SOME STORE AND DO IT THAT WAY.
BUT I, THERE'S COULD BE AN ITEM TOO WHERE THE LOCALS NEED A PLACE THE, TO PARK THEIR VEHICLES.
WHY INSTEAD OF PARKING IT ON THEIR STREET OR WHEREVER THEY PARK THEIR VEHICLES WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE AT HOME.
UM, SO THERE'LL BE PLACED FOR THAT.
IT, SO THAT'S ALL, THAT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE.
THOSE PEOPLE WON'T BE SPENDING THE NIGHT THERE.
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TO STRIKE THE WORD OVERNIGHT THAT, THAT, THAT'S FINE BY ME.I I I WAS JUST BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT THERE, IT, THERE WASN'T A CLARIFICATION IF THEY WANNA SLEEP DURING THE DAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT'S CHECKING? I'M SORRY'S CHECKING.
HOLD THAT THOUGHT FOR A MOMENT.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? YES, SIR.
UM, WE HAVE A BUSINESS ON TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD WHERE WE WOULD BE NEIGHBORS, UH, WITH AN ADJACENT, UH, PROPERTY LINE.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, UH, SHELL STATION AND THE, UH, TACO, UH, ANOTHER WENDY'S AND THE, UH, TACO BELL.
THEY'RE ABOUT, UH, A BLOCK AWAY, YOU KNOW, SO, SO ANYWAYS, I WAS UP HERE, UH, LAST MONTH AND I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE OUR, OUR CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, THE BUSINESS BEING A, A TRUCK STOP REPAIR STATION.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT BEING CALLED INTO QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S IN YOUR WORDS, A GATEWAY BUSINESS TO HUBER HEIGHTS.
MY OPINION IS THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN A, A, A GOOD LOOKING TRUCK STOP BEING A GATEWAY TO A, A CITY.
SO I, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULDN'T FIT IN THAT REGARD.
UM, UM, MY PARTNERS AND I BELIEVE THAT IT'LL BE INAPPROPRIATE TO LOCATE THAT, THAT BUSINESS THERE.
UH, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING AND THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE TO ENFORCE.
UM, TURNING LEFT RIGHT THERE AT THE SHELL STATION, UH, AS THE BUSINESS STANDS RIGHT NOW, IS A VERY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
AND IF YOU ALLOW, YOU KNOW, MORE TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE TO TURN INTO THAT, THAT PROPERTY, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A BIG PROBLEM.
UH, SO, AND YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA GET REALLY BAD IF, IF, IF WE PUT THAT BUSINESS IN THERE.
UM, I, I JUST THINK THE BUSINESS WILL DEGRADE THE AREA FOR THE OTHER NEIGHBORS.
UH, YOU KNOW, A A A THREE ACRE TRUCK STOP IS NOT WHAT'S NEEDED IN THIS HIGHLY CONGESTED AREA FOR HUBER HEIGHTS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING YOU TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? WE SHALL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS? I CONTINUE TO, TO HOLD THE OPINION THAT THIS IS STILL NOT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL.
I THINK THE B THREE ZONING IS MORE CONDUCIVE TO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA, AND THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON IT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT THOMAS E DUSA FOR APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING FOR COMMERCIAL B THREE TO PLAN PI TO CONSTRUCT A TRUCK STOP AND REPAIR FACILITY PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT SOUTHEAST CORNER OF TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AND ARTS ROAD, UH, CASE B D P 23 DASH 23 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS IT'S WRONG.
CASE NUMBER, SORRY, IT'S 2235.
UM, CASE NUMBER 2235 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MERAN MEMORANDUM DATED YESTERDAY, 9 11 9 11, UM, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERETO THAT HAS BEEN AMENDED TO STATE ON NUMBER SIX, THAT THERE'D BE NO SLEEPING OR STAYING WITH ANY VEHICLES SHALL BE PERMITTED MADE BY MR. JEFFRIES.
IS THERE SECOND? SECOND BY MS. THOMAS? SECRETARY, YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
UH, THOSE OF YOU THAT HAD VOTED NO, WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE
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A REASON WHY? YEAH, SO I JUST CONTINUE TO THINK THAT THE REZONING IS NOT THE BEST USE OF THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL.I LIKE THE B THREE ZONING FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
I THINK THIS IS A DEFACTO TRUCK STOP BY ANY OTHER NAME, MR. JEFFRIES.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT IT AS IT IS A GATEWAY PARCEL.
IT'S BEEN CALLED THAT FROM THE BEGINNING AND I WAS ON THE FENCE ON THE FIRST TIME AROUND VOTED YES IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT A TRANSITIONAL PIECE, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO HAVE EVOLVED MORE INTO STRICTLY A TRUCK STOP INSTEAD OF B THREE AREA.
OKAY, MS. THOMAS? UM, I AGREE WITH BOTH, UH, BOTH GENTLEMEN AND I.
I THINK IT AS A GATEWAY, IT NEEDS TO BE, WE HAVE, WE WE NEED A BETTER PLAN FOR OUR GATEWAY.
NEXT ITEM IS, UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS REZONING AND, UM, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IS BUCKY'S, L T D AS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 3.93 ACRES FROM A B THREE AND PP TO PC.
AND APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF APPROXIMATELY 38.56 ACRES TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BUCKY'S TRAVEL CENTER, COMPRISED OF A 74,000 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE WITH 120 FUEL PUMPS.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF I 70.
STATE ROUTE 2 35 INTERSECTION, OH, I'M SORRY, STATE ROUTE 2 35 INTERSECTION, UH, RZ, B D P 23 DASH 24.
OKAY, SO WE'RE ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING.
UH, SO THIS IS THE, UH, THE, THE LARGER SITE IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 36, UH, ACRES.
UM, THIS WAS, THE MAJORITY OF THIS SITE WAS REZONED LAST YEAR TO, UH, TWO PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
UM, THERE ARE, SINCE THAT TIME, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN ADDITIONAL PARCELS ADDED TO THE SITES OF THESE, UH, THERE WAS, UH, A B THREE, A PP, UH, A, UH, AN, IT'S LIKE TWO B THREES, UH, PLANNED PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BUILDINGS.
UH, AND THEN A LITTLE TINY PIECE OF AGRICULTURE TO THE SOUTH.
SO, UH, AS I SAID, UH, THE, UH, IT'S 35.6 ACRES.
IT IS, UH, LARGELY AGRICULTURAL IN USE.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 74,000 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE WITH 120, UH, FUELING STATIONS AND 24 TESLA CHARGING STATIONS.
UH, THE REZONING ITSELF, UH, IS, UH, 3.9 ACRES.
UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD APPLY TO THE, THE ENTIRETY, WHICH IS 35.6 UH, ACRES.
SO THIS IS THE FACADE OF, UH, OF THE BUCKY'S.
UH, THIS WOULD BE THE ELEVATION THAT YOU WOULD SEE, UM, ENTERING OFF OF, UH, OF 2, 2 35.
UH, WHAT'S PROPOSED IS BASICALLY, UH, TWO DRIVEWAYS.
THE MAIN DRIVEWAY, UH, WOULD, WOULD, THIS WOULD BE YOUR VIEW? UH, SO IT'S A MIXTURE OF, UH, SO MATERIALS WEREN'T LISTED, UH, ON THE, ON THE ACTUAL ELEVATIONS, BUT IT'S A MIX.
LOOKS TO ME LIKE A MIXTURE OF, UH, UH, STONE VENEER, UH, AND LIKELY DRIVE IT.
THESE ARE THE, UH, EXTERIORS, UH, UH, FROM THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO AS YOU WOULD, UH, IF YOU WERE HEADED UP, UH, FROM 70, UH, UP 2 35, THE TOP, UH, PICTURE IS YOUR VIEW, UH, AS YOU HEAD FROM THE SOUTH, UH, AS YOU HEAD FROM THE NORTH ON 2 35.
THAT IS THE, UH, YOUR OTHER VIEW, UH, THE REAR OF THE BUILDING LOOKS VERY SIMILAR.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE A REAR OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS, UH, UH, DOUBLE ACCESS NOW OFF OF, OF I SEVEN TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE, THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
SO THERE WOULD BE NOW TWO EXIT LANES OFF OF, OF 70.
UH, YOU WOULD COME, UH, TO ABOUT THIS POINT.
UH, THERE WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A DEDICATED, UH, LANE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE TRAVELER TO ENTER INTO THE MAIN ENTRANCE, UH, OR CONTINUE ON TO THE, UH, THE FAR NORTH ENTRANCE TO, TO ENTER THE SITE.
UH, THERE WOULD ALSO BE A BYPASS LANE FOR THOSE WHO ARE CONTINUING TO GO NORTH.
UH, THEY COULD CONTINUE ON TO 35.
UH, SO THERE WAS ESSENTIALLY TWO MAIN EXITS, UH, INTO THE FACILITY.
ONE LARGER EXIT, UH, HERE AT, UH, CENTER POINT 70.
UH, SO TWO EXITS, UH, HEADING TO THE SOUTH TO GET YOU BACK ONTO, UH, I 70 OR ROUTE 4, 6 75.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, 90% OF THE TRAFFIC WILL HEAD ONTO 70, UH, AND THEN DISPERSE FROM THERE.
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A RETENTION POND, EXISTING RETENTION POND HERE TO THE SOUTH.UH, AND THEN TO THE EAST WOULD BE THE, UH, NEW RETENTION POND THAT WOULD SERVICE THE, UH, THE STORE.
UH, SO AS WE ZOOM IN TO VARIOUS PARTS OF THE SITE, UH, ALL OF THE PARKING STALLS, UH, MEET OUR STANDARDS OF, UH, 10 BY 20.
UH, THERE ARE, UH, 11 RV UM, SPOTS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS BUCKY IS, IS KNOWN FOR IS, UH, IT'S SORT OF NOT SEMI-TRUCK FRIENDLY.
UH, IT'S NOT ENCOURAGED, UH, BUT THERE ARE RV CAMPER SPOTS HERE TO THE, ON THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE.
IF YOU GO TO THE NORTH, UH, AGAIN, ADDITIONAL PARKING AREAS THAT MEET OUR STANDARDS.
AND THEN A ROW OF TESLA CHARGERS, UH, STATIONS.
SO 24 TESLA CHARGING STATIONS ON THE NORTH END OF THE SITE.
UH, I MENTIONED, UH, THE, THE TRAFFIC, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE ALONG TWO 70, UH, EXCUSE ME, 2 35.
UM, THEY REALLY ARE MEANT TO DIRECT WHAT WILL BE A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE OF VEHI, UH, VEHICLES INTO THIS SITE AND MANAGE THEM WELL.
UM, ALSO AS PART OF THE PROJECT, UM, THE, THE ENGINEERING TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING WITH OUR ENGINEERING TEAM ON, UM, THE LOCATION OF A LIFT STATION THAT WILL, UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, AS PART OF THAT, UM, SANITARY, UH, IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THEM ON THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION, DEPTH SCREENING, ET CETERA.
UH, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE IS A BYPASS LANE, UH, OR IT'S REALLY TWO ENTRANCES, UH, FOR, IF YOU COME OFF OF 2 35, THAT WILL TAKE YOU BACK INTO THE SITE.
UH, AND THEN WHEN PRIMARY EXIT, UH, WITH TWO LANES TRAVELING AGAIN TO THE SOUTH AND THEN ONE LANE TRAVELING TO THE NORTH, UH, THERE WILL BE AN IMP IMPROVE AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AND REALLY SIGNIFICANT, UH, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL OCCUR ON, UM, 2 35.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS, IS PRETTY, UH, GENEROUS.
UM, THERE, UH, THERE IS A ROW OF, OF TREES, BUSHES, PLANTINGS THAT ARE KIND OF ALONG THE RIDGE LINE.
THE, UH, SITE HAS A PRETTY STEEP GRADE, UH, DROP BETWEEN TWO, THE ROAD BASE OF 2 35.
AND, AND THE ACTUAL SITE ITSELF, THE, JUST KINDA THE FARM FIELDS, IT'S BETWEEN EIGHT AND 10 FEET, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT.
SO THERE'LL BE SOME GRADING HERE, UH, ALONG THE, UH, THE WE, THE WEST EDGE OF THE SITE, UM, THERE ARE STREET TREES, OTHER PLANTINGS.
THERE IS NOT, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, ANTICIPATED TO BE A SIDEWALK ON 2 35.
THERE'S REALLY NO PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES IN THAT AREA AT ALL.
UM, THE ONLY I THINK, REASON THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, UH, WOULD BE THE POSSIBILITY IF THERE ARE BUILT WHEN THE THIS, UH, INTERSECTION IS, UM, IMPROVED OR IF R T A WOULD START TO RUN A ROUTE OUT TO THIS WAY AND TO THIS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, THAT'S NOT IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
SO WHILE THIS IS NOT A TRADITIONAL STREET TREE ARRANGEMENT, WE THINK, UH, IT DOES, UH, IT AFFECTS WHAT THE PURPOSE IS AS FAR AS SOFTENING THAT SITE AND CREATING THAT, THAT, UM, LANDSCAPED ENTRANCE INTO THE, THE FACILITY.
THERE IS SIGNIFICANT PERIMETER LANDSCAPING AROUND, UH, THE, THE SITE AS WELL AS INTO, INTO BOTH ENTRANCES.
UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, THERE IS LANDSCAPING IN EACH OF THE ISLANDS.
UH, THE LANDSCAPE DETAIL, SORT OF AS YOU ENTER INTO THE SITE, THERE IS A SIDEWALK THAT COMES DOWN PARTLY TO HELP, UH, OUR, THIS IS OUR PUMP STATION.
THIS IS THE PARKING FOR THE LIFT STATION.
SO A LITTLE BIT, THERE ARE SOME PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, BUT, UH, PROBABLY APPROPRIATE FOR ITS LOCATION AS YOU HEAD TO THIS IS TO THE WEST, EXCUSE ME, TO THE, THE SOUTH OF THE SITE.
JUST TO ILLUSTRATE, UH, SIGNIFICANT INTERIOR LANDSCAPING.
IF WE GET TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE WILL VERIFY THAT.
BUT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT PLANTINGS, UH, PROPOSED AT THE END CAPS OF THE AISLE AS WELL AS IN EVERY OTHER, UH, ROW.
SO AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THIS IS UNDER OUR NEW, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, AND IT IS, UH, IT IS THE WORK CENTER, UH, AREA.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT IS THIS AREA THAT IS BOUNDED REALLY LARGELY FOLLOWS 2 35 AND, AND I 70.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WORK CENTER.
AND THE IDEA BEHIND THIS AREA, UH, IS TO KIND OF BUILD OFF THE KEY ASSETS AND, AND REALLY THOSE TWO KEY ASSETS IN THIS SECTION, THE SIDE OF TOWN, UH, ARE I 70 ITSELF, PROXIMITY TO THE BASE AND REALLY THAT TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
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IS THE KEY ASSET FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.IT'S THE REASON THAT, THAT BUCKY'S IS, IS LIKELY LOCATING HERE.
UM, THEY WILL, UH, EMPLOY APPROXIMATELY 200 INDIVIDUALS.
UM, JUST TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, THE DAYTON FREIGHT THAT, UH, WAS RECENTLY EXPANDED HAS A PAYROLL OF ABOUT $5 MILLION.
UH, IF THE AVERAGE SALARY FOR BUCKY'S IS 25,000 OR GREATER, THEY MEET OR EXCEED THE PAYROLL OF, UH, OF DAYTON FREIGHT, UH, JUST TO THE NORTH.
UH, AT LEAST WE CONSIDER THAT AS SUCH.
UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A NORMAL CONVENIENCE STORE.
THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, A REALLY, YOU KNOW, A SLIGHTLY LARGER CONVENIENCE STORE.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A DESTINATION.
UH, IF YOU SAW THE FACEBOOK TRAFFIC, UH, AND ALL OF THE, THE ATTENTION THAT WE'VE GOT, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND WE THINK ABOUT THE, THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
THERE IS NO BETTER LOCATION FOR THIS SITE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, IF, IF THIS IS THE KIND OF USE THAT, THAT WE WANT, THIS IS THE BEST PLACE BECAUSE IT IMPACTS, UH, THE FAR FEWEST INDIVIDUALS.
UH, IT IS ALSO THE GREATEST PROXIMITY TO THE ON AND OFF RAMPS OF 70.
THERE REALLY IS NOT MUCH IN BETWEEN.
SO IT IS ONE TRAFFIC LIGHT AND THEN YOU'RE ON THE, UH, ON THE, ON RAMPS.
SO WILL THERE BE DISRUPTION? UH, OCCASIONALLY.
BUT AS FAR AS THE SITES THAT WE HAVE EITHER ALONG 2 0 1 OR 2 0 2, UM, THIS IS A FAR BETTER LOCATION, UM, THAN, THAN ANY OTHER LOCATION.
SO, AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE, THE ZONING DISTRICT, UM, IN THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, THE PROPOSED USE IS PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED IN THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THE SITE PLAN MEETS ALL PARKING, SETBACK AND YARD REQUIREMENTS.
UH, 31 STREET TREES ARE REQUIRED BASED ON THE FRONTAGE OF 2 35, UH, OR YEAH, 2 35.
UH, THE LANDSCAPE OF PLAN APPEARS TO MEET ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
THEY'RE, AGAIN, I MENTIONED IT'S NOT, UH, TRADITIONALLY SPACED, BUT IT'S, UH, IT MEETS THE INTENT, UH, THAT WILL ALSO BE THEN REVIEWED MORE THOROUGHLY WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, THE PLAN ILLUSTRATES 699 PARKING SPACES.
UM, THE CODE REQUIRES APPROXIMATELY 600.
UM, THEY DID MOVE THE, UM, THE, FROM THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE TO THE REVISED PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, THIS YESTERDAY OR TODAY, UH, THEY DID MOVE THE TANKS, UH, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE NORTH, WHICH, UH, UM, RE REDUCED ABOUT 20 PARKING SPACES, BUT THEY'VE GOT A HUNDRED TO GIVE, UH, FOR, UH, TO STILL MEET OUR CODE.
SO THERE IS NO, UH, NO ISSUE THERE.
THERE WAS NO SIGN PACKAGE THAT WAS SUBMITTED, BUT THAT WILL BE REVIEWED AT A, UH, A LATER DATE WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE, UH, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
I THINK THAT THEY'RE IN, IN, AS FAR AS AN AESTHETIC, UH, APPEAL.
THEY'RE IN PROPORTION TO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, I WILL GO THROUGH BRIEFLY, THIS WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED, UH, TOO MUCH.
UM, AS FAR AS THE CONSISTENCY OF THE THOROUGH THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS AND POLICIES.
IT'S STAFF'S OPINION THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UH, IT IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF A HIGHWAY, UH, AND AN ARTERIAL STREET.
UH, ONCE 2 35 IS UPGRADED TO, BASED FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, WE NOT THINK THERE WILL BE CAPACITY ISSUES.
UM, WHILE NO SCHEDULE HAS BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE DEVELOPER, WE HAVE NO CONCERNS ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY OF THEM FINANCING OR CONSTRUCTING THE PROJECT IN A REASONABLE TIME.
THIS, UH, THE FACILITY ALSO HAS THE, UH, THE SAME ISSUE THAT, UM, REALLY ALL OF THE FACILITIES RIGHT NOW, UH, ALONG 2 35 IS, UM, UNTIL OUR CONNECTION IS MADE TO FAIRBORNE, WE CAN'T ADD ADDITIONAL, UM, TAPS TO THE SEWER LINE IN THAT AREA.
BUT THAT WILL BE DONE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, UH, EARLY JANUARY AT THE LATEST.
UM, SO IT FITS WITHIN A REASONABLE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD FOR, UH, SO ALL OF THE, THE STARS SHOULD ALIGN AS FAR AS THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION PERIOD WHEN WILL BE DONE, AND WHEN, UH, IF THIS IS APPROVED, THEY WOULD START AND, AND BE COMPLETED.
THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, I, UH, I'VE SAID IN THE PAST, THE CONVENIENCE STORES DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
UM, SO THIS ONE DOES, IT IS A DESTINATION, UH, PEOPLE TRAVEL OUTTA THEIR WAY TO, TO GO TO, TO BUCKY'S.
UM, SO THE, THE, THE APPLICANTS HERE, THE
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ENGINEERS ARE HERE AND CAN TALK IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT THIS.UM, BUT IN GENERAL, UM, THIS WILL, UH, ADD, UH, AN ADDITIONAL, UH, THOUSAND TRIPS IN THE MORNING AND A THOUSAND TRIPS, UH, IN THE EVENING AS FAR AS PEAK HOUR, UH, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE IN THE SITE PLAN THAT THERE IS A DEDICATED, UH, LANE, ESSENTIALLY TO GO TO BUCKY'S AND A BYPASS LANE FOR, FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ESTIMATED, UH, TRIP DISTRIBUTION, UH, 90% ARE ON 70.
UH, SO 45% THEY ANTICIPATE GOING EAST OR WESTBOUND, UH, RESPECTIVELY.
AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC GOING, UH, NORTH ON 2 35, RIGHT NOW, IT'S ONLY ESTIMATED TO BE 1% THAT WOULD ORIGINATE FROM BUCKY'S.
MY GUESS IS THAT THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING THERE AND THEN GOING ON UP TO INDIAN LAKE, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHY ELSE YOU WOULD, WOULD GO NORTH UNLESS YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO 70 TO BI, EXCUSE ME, 40 TO BYPASS AN ACCIDENT ON 70.
IT REALLY MAKES NO SENSE TO GO NORTH OF THIS SITE, UH, UNLESS YOU'RE GOING DIRECTLY TO, TO INDIAN LAKE, THERE ARE FASTER WAYS TO GET PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE ELSE.
I WON'T REALLY BELABOR THE POINT TOO MUCH, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE ENGINEERS HAVE BEEN WORKING, UH, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WITH ODOT, UH, ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, UH, AND HAVE, AND ARE GOING TO MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT, UH, IN, IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND ADDED CAPACITY SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS SITE.
AS FAR AS THE REST OF THE GENERAL STANDARDS, UM, AS FAR AS UNDUE BURDEN ON, UM, SERVICES, STAFF DOES NOT ANTICIPATE, UH, UNDUE BURDEN ON PUBLIC SERVICES.
UH, THIS AREA WILL HAVE ADEQUATE UTILITY AND ADEQUATE STREET CAPACITY.
ONCE THOSE UPGRADES ARE, UM, ARE COMPLETED.
WE'RE UNAWARE OF ANY POLICING CONCERNS.
THE BUILDING WILL COMPLY WITH ALL BUILDING AND FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, IT'S AS FAR AS COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS, ANY CONDITIONS THAT WOULD BE OPPOSED UPON.
UM, THE APPLICANT BY THIS PLANNING COMMISSION OR BY CITY COUNCIL WILL BE MEMORIALIZED BOTH IN THE REZONING LEGISLATION, UH, AS WELL AS OUR P U D AGREEMENTS THAT WOULD BE, UH, FINALIZED AFTER THE, UH, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED.
UH, LANDSCAPING, UH, AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, STAFF BELIEVES THE SITE IS GENERALLY WELL ARRANGED, UH, AND INTERNAL CIRCULATION IS EFFICIENT.
UM, THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, LIKE I SAID, WILL BE REVIEWED AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.
BUT WHAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AT THIS POINT, UH, AND IN MY REVIEW OF IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE SUBSTANTIALLY IN COMPLIANCE, IF NOT FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, BOTH THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPING AS WELL AS THE INTERIOR ISLAND LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AS FAR AS NATURAL FEATURES, UH, THERE REALLY ARE NONE.
UM, THERE ARE IS A PERIMETER TREE LINE OF THIS SITE, BUT IT'S BEEN TILLED FOR A HUNDRED YEARS.
UH, AND SO THERE ARE, UH, NO OTHER NATURAL FEATURES REALLY ON THIS SITE.
OH, UM, AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE SITE IS FLAT.
UM, UNDERGROUND UTILITIES WILL BE, UH, WILL BE INSTALLED.
UH, AS FAR AS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE GENERAL STANDARDS OUTLINED IN, UH, LETTER I, UH, AND, UH, THE SITE, WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC SERVICES.
UH, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE, UH, WIDENING OF 2 35 OR ANY OF THAT.
SO WE DO NOT, UH, ANTICIPATE A PUBLIC COST BURDEN FORM FROM THIS, UH, FACILITY.
I ALSO MENTIONED, AGAIN, UH, THIS SITE WILL EMPLOY ABOUT 200 INDIVIDUALS.
UM, AS FAR AS ACT, UH, USES OR ACTIVITIES OR PROCESSES THAT COULD BE A, UH, DETRIMENT TO ANY PERSON'S PROPERTY OR THE WELFARE, ALL PROPOSED USES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN COMMERCIAL, UH, DISTRICT ZONING THAT'S BEING REQUESTED.
IT'S 99% OF IT IS ALREADY ZONED PLAN COMMERCIAL.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL 3.6 ACRES THAT, THAT NEED TO BE REZONED, UH, FOR THAT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
SO THIS IS REALLY A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, UH, IN MY VIEW, ABOUT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, SO, UH, STAFF AGAIN BELIEVES THAT THE REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, IT IS STAFF SUPPORTS THE PARTIAL, UH, REZONING, UH, AS AND, UH, TO PLAN COMMERCIAL.
UH, IT IS OUR OPINION THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 11 71 0 6 CAN BE MET.
UH, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SURVEY
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OF, OR AN ASSESSMENT OF THE SITE PERIMETER, UH, TREES TO SEE WHICH ONES ARE HEALTHY AND WHICH ONES ARE ACTUALLY ON THE APPLICANT'S SITE.UH, WHEN YOU GET ON FARMLAND, UH, IT CAN BE DECEIVING OF AS FAR AS WHICH TREES ARE THEIRS AND WHICH ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S, UH, LAND.
SO, UH, AND THOSE HEALTHY TREES SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE, UM, LANDSCAPING PLAN, UH, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UH, THE APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH, UH, STAFF TO, UH, TO DETERMINE THAT FINAL STREET TREE, UH, PLACEMENT AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE INITIAL STREET, UM, DESIGNS, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE OUR FINAL GRADING AND HOW THAT WILL ACTUALLY, UH, PLAY OUT.
SO, UH, IF WE GET, WHEN WE GET TO, OR IF WE GET TO THE POINT OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, STAFF WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH, UH, THEIR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS ON THOSE STREET TREE REPLACEMENTS ALONG 2 35.
UH, SIGNS SHALL CONFORM WITH CHAPTER 1189, UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN BY THE, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, AND THEN RECENTLY MY STANDARD, UH, UH, EXCLUSIONS, UH, THAT THE PERMITTED USE SHALL BE THOSE LISTED IN THE, UH, IN SECTION 11 76 0 1, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF VEHICLE SALES, RENTAL OR SERVICE SWEEPSTAKES, CAFES, SHORT-TERM LENDERS, DRY CLEANERS, UH, OR OUTDOOR SALES AND STORAGE, AND LESS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TODAY CAN TAKE THE, UH, THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS.
UH, YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH OR WITHOUT SUCH CONDITIONS.
UH, RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE REZONING, UH, AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
OR LASTLY, TABLE THE APPLICATION TO GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. CASSIDY? SO AARON, I, IN THE, I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS ONE OF THE MEMOS THAT CAME THROUGH IT, IT HAD TALKED ABOUT ODOT REVIEWING SORT OF THE ENTIRETY THAT 70 AND 2 35 INTERCHANGE.
DO WE HAVE A SENSE FOR HOW EXTENSIVE THE CHANGES WILL BE, OTHER THAN THE 2 35 ONES THAT YOU'RE ALREADY POINTING OUT? NO, I DO NOT.
UM, WHAT I HAVE FOCUSED ON IS THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT OF, OF REALLY 70 AND 2 35.
AND, AND, AND FROM CENTER POINT 70 SOUTH, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE THE, THE BIG IMPACT.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, AND I KNOW THEY'VE HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS SINCE AROUND MAY, IF NOT BEFORE, WITH ODOT, UM, GIVEN SUCH A BIG USER.
AND THEN IN THE STAFF MEMO, IT TALKED ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE BRENT INGER FARM, WHERE FUTURE HOUSING MIGHT BE POSSIBLE.
WHERE IS THAT LOCATED? YEAH, SO I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY HOUSING, UM,
SO, UH, THE BRENT LANGER FARM IS, IS RIGHT HERE.
UH, AND WE ARE, UH, SLOWLY MARCHING UTILITIES DOWN CHAMBERSBURG WHEN WE GET THERE.
UH, AND SO THE OTHER THING IS THE SEWER LINE THAT'S BEING, UM, UH, DEVELOP INSTALLED RIGHT NOW COMES BASICALLY DOWN THIS WAY.
UH, ONCE THAT OCCURS, WE WILL BE ABLE TO, THIS, THIS AREA WILL BE ABLE TO OPEN UP FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I DIDN'T MENTION THE SITE CONSTRICTIONS.
THERE ARE OTHER SITE CONSTRICTIONS, UH, FACING THE BUCKY SITE WITH, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE MI UH, MIAMI CONSERVANCY DISTRICT.
AND THEIR, UH, THEIR EASEMENTS, THOSE EASEMENTS ALSO AFFECT THIS SITE.
UM, SO ABOUT A THIRD OF THE BRENT ER FARM IS UNDER A CONSERVANCY DISTRICT EASEMENT, WHICH LIMITS, UH, HOW THE SOIL CAN BE, UM, UH, MOVED AROUND THE SITE AND THE TYPES OF BUILDINGS THAT CAN BE CONSTRUCTED.
UM, 'CAUSE ALL OF THIS, THIS IS THE TOP OF THE RETARDING BASIN.
UM, BUT THIS IS, UM, IS PART OF THE, BASICALLY WHAT FILLS UP, UM, WHEN THERE'S A MASSIVE, UH, RAIN EVENT.
AND SO FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, M C D DOESN'T WANT TO SEE ANY OF THAT VOLUME REDUCED.
UM, AARON, UH, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHO PAYS FOR THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS ON 2 35? UH, AT THIS POINT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS, UH, BEING, UM, UH, FINANCED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, WE HAVE NOT BEEN, UH, APPROACHED AT ALL.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE APPROACHED ODOT AND THEY'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION, BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN APPROACHED FOR THAT.
AND, UM, IF, CAN YOU SHOW ME ON THAT MAP? FIRST OF ALL, I'M SURE THEY HAVE THE NUMBER OF HANDICAP SPOTS THAT ARE REQUIRED, BUT CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE THEY ARE AND HOW MANY ARE THERE?
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YEAH, UM, LET ME GO TO THE BEGINNING.SO THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY ALONG THREE SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
SO THESE ARE HANDICAP SITE, UH, SPACES HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS AN ENTRANCE, UM, RIGHT IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING HERE, WHICH IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
UH, AND THEN AGAIN, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT AGAINST THE, UH, THE SOUTH ENTRANCE.
UM, I HAVE, I CAN LOOK, IT'S ON THE, IT'S ON THE, UM, SITE PLAN, WHAT THE HANDICAP SAYS, UH, NUMBERS ARE.
I DON'T HAVE THEM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
SO THAT IS DRIVEN BY THE BUILDING CODE, UH, AND OUR ZONING CODE MIRRORS WHAT THE BUILDING CODE IS.
UM, SO I'M, I THINK THEY'LL FULLY COMPLY.
CAN YOU TELL ME IF YOU, UH, ENLARGE THAT, WHAT THE DIVIDER BETWEEN THE ACCESS LANE AND 2 35 STATE ROUTE, UH, ROUTE FOUR.
WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT A CONCRETE WALL? IS IT MEDIAN? SO WE HAVEN'T GOT, I AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD GET THERE WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE STARTED FURTHER TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, WE DID HAVE CON UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.
UH, AT THIS POINT, I BELIEVE IT'S JUST PAINTED.
UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS, UH, EARLY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ABOUT A DIVIDING WALL, UH, ALL THE WAY DOWN, WHICH WOULD, UM, LIMIT THE ACCESS OF PEOPLE TURNING LEFT ONTO ARTS.
AND THOSE, UH, AND THOSE, UM, BUSINESSES THAT FRONT 2 35, WE SUGGESTED THAT THAT WAS A NON-STARTER.
UH, AND THAT, AND SO, UH, THEY HAVE, SO THERE IS THAT BYPASS LANE, UH, AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF THE BUCKY'S LANE.
SO THERE ARE TWO WAYS THAT, AND SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE MAINTAINED ACCESS TO THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALONG 2 35, UH, FOR LEFT TURN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. JEFFRIES? YEAH, AARON, ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WAS THIS, OR THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS, AM I RIGHT? THIS CAME FROM ONE OF THEIR STORE TRAFFIC COUNTS? OR IS THIS YES, THAT, YEAH.
SO, UM, THE I T E MANUAL, THIS ISN'T IN THERE, RIGHT.
UH, AND SO YEAH, THE STRAT, THE TRAFFIC COUNTS FROM, UH, IF ARE BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH SIMILAR STORES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, WHICH, SO MY CONCERN THERE ON THE COUNT BEING POSSIBLY LOWER THAN ACTUAL IS THE PROXIMITY TO 70, 75.
I THINK THAT LENDS TO A LITTLE EXTRA, WHICH JUST A CONCERN, NOT, NOT A STOPPING POINT.
UM, WHEN IT, AS FAR AS THE UN NOT TO CAUSE UNDUE SERVICES AND PUBLIC SAFETY, I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT 23,000 TRIPS A DAY IN AN AREA AND THINKING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE POLICE AND FIRE OUT THERE FOR ANYTHING, OR 12,000 CARS A DAY GETTING ON AND OFF THE HIGHWAY AT MERGE LANES AND TO THINK WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE CALLS.
SO I THINK COUNSEL SHOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND.
I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE COMMENTS FROM POLICE AND FIRE ON WHAT THEY THINK AROUND HOW TO ADDRESS IT.
AND, AND I THINK THERE'S SOME STAFFING CONVERSATIONS GOING ON THAT THIS I THINK IS A BIG DEAL.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE FARTHEST EAST POINT TOO.
SO IF WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE CALLED, THEY'RE BEING CALLED AS FAR AWAY FROM TOWN AS CAN BE.
OR IF THEY HAVE AN ACCIDENT ON 70, THEN WE BASICALLY HAVE NO RESOURCES IN TOWN BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S CALLED TO 70 AT THAT POINT.
SO I HAVE SOME, SOME CONCERNS THERE.
UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE INITIAL FIRE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED TO US, UH, WERE REALLY LIMITED TO FIRE HYDRANT PLACEMENT.
BUT I, I JUST THINK STATISTICS ARE GONNA TELL US WE CAN'T.
SO THEY MAY NOT HAVE A, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE REFERRED TO AS EARLIER AS TRUCK STOP POLICING ISSUES, BUT WE CAN'T BE NAIVE AND THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS MUCH ACTIVITY AND TRAFFIC IN AN AREA AND HAVE NO CALLS TO POLICE AND FIRE.
AND THEN ALSO DOWN THE ROAD, I'M SURE THERE'S FUNDING SOMEWHERE, BUT I MEAN, THIS IS GONNA, THESE ROADS ARE GONNA FALL ON, ON OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR COST, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A STATE ROUTE, SO THERE'S GONNA BE HELP THERE, BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, 200 JOBS AT A WORK CENTER AND 200 JOBS AT A WORK CENTER THAT GENERATES 23,000 TRIPS A DAY.
UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST MY CONCERNS THERE.
UM, AND THE OTHER ONE, CAN YOU GO TO THE, UH, IMAGE THAT SHOWED T ROAD, UH, THE DRAW WITH BUCKY'S? THERE WAS ONE YOU HAD THAT KIND OF SHOWED WHERE ARCH ROAD COMES OUT.
SO IT COMES OUT ESSENTIALLY ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
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YEAH.SO IT'S LINED UP RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT ONE.
SO DO, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ROOM OR WHAT'S IN PLACE THERE, BUT WHERE THEY'VE GOT THAT EXTENDED LANE.
YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS OR SHOULD, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THE LEFT TURN OFF OF ARTS ROAD AND OPPORTUNITY TO STAGE IN THERE IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE, AGAIN, 12,000 IN 12,000 OUT A DAY WITH SOMEBODY TRYING TO TURN LEFT ACROSS CARS COMING FROM THE RIGHT AND CARS COMING FROM THE LEFT.
I KNOW THE TRAFFIC NORTH OF THIS DOWN INTO NEW CARLISLE IS NOT GONNA BE IMPACTED.
BUT THAT'S RIGHT IN THE SWEET SPOT.
AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT PEOPLE PLAYING FROGGER TRYING TO TURN LEFT.
SO I THINK PART OF THAT WILL, I MEAN, WE CAN ALWAYS ADJUST THE TIMING ON THE, ON THE SIGNAL.
UM, WELL, THE SIGNALS IS THE SIGNAL THERE, OR THE SIGNAL AT THE NEXT ONE, THE SIGNAL IS AT THE NEXT SITE.
BUT PART OF THAT IS MAKING SURE THERE'S A BREAK, ENOUGH BREAK FOR, FOR THE EXITING TRAFFIC AND WE, WE HAVE THOSE INTENTIONAL STOPS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WILL, I MEAN, GIVEN THE, THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL WILL BE HERE, UM, THAT WILL CERTAINLY, THAT TIME WILL NEED TO BE ADJUSTED.
I MEAN, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY, MY CONCERN ON THE, THE TURNING LEFT OUT THERE.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST AN, AN A SIDE POINT WHERE WE'RE NOT DOING THE SIDEWALKS, AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE CONNECTIVITY AND MULTIMODAL AND ALL THAT.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE AT LING, OR SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF CONNECTING TO ANY OF THE OTHER STUFF LIKE THE LOOP OR THE BIKE PATH THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WHICH WOULD CONNECT THIS? BECAUSE I, I LOOK AT THIS AS, YOU KNOW, MORE WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT WRITE.
I MEAN, PEOPLE IN, I DON'T SEE PEOPLE IN YOUR COLORADO WALKING UP THERE A WHOLE LOT, BUT I COULD SEE THEM RIDING DOWN 2 35.
WELL, TO GET THERE AT SOME POINT.
I'M JUST SAYING IF, IF THEY WANTED TO CONNECT IN, IF IT WAS THERE.
SO JUST SOME THOUGHTS FOR DOWN THE ROAD.
WAS THAT, SO YEAH, I THINK OUR, OUR THOUGHT IS MORE ABOUT THE LOOP GOES UP BELL FOUNTAIN, UM, BECAUSE 2 35 TURNS INTO ROUTE FOUR, SHOULDN'T REALLY BE RIDING BIKE ON TWO.
THAT KIND OF, NO, I'M LOOKING MORE ACROSS ARTS AND CENTER POINT COMING DOWN.
'CAUSE THAT CONNECTS ALL THE WAY IN BACK INTO HUBER, RIGHT? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MS. THOMAS? UM, SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE TRAFFIC INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED WITH US, WILL WE GET ANYTHING ADDITIONAL DOWN THE ROAD TO REALLY SEE A HIGHER, LIKE, MORE DETAILED TRAFFIC STUDY? OR ARE WE JUST GONNA BASE OUR NUMBERS AND OUR DECISIONS OFF OF WHAT THEY'VE SUPPLIED US? SO RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE THE TRAFFIC, UM, COUNTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO ODOT FOR THEIR CERTIFICATION.
ODOT IS GOING THROUGH THAT VERIFICATION, UM, PROCESS.
UH, AND THAT WILL ULTIMATELY, LET ME GO BACK HERE, IMPACT THE DESIGN OF ALL, ALL OF THIS.
SO WE ARE KIND OF AT THE BEGINNING PHASES, UH, WHICH IS WHY IN IN THE, UM, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY ON WHERE THOSE STREET TREES AND THAT LANDSCAPING IS GONNA GO.
BECAUSE I THINK THE GEOMETRY WILL MAY CHANGE SLIGHTLY, UM, WHEN OD O GETS THROUGH THEIR, THEIR MAGIC NUMBER CRUNCHING MACHINE.
MS. VARGA, CAN YOU TELL ME IF ODOT WILL CONTROL THE LIGHTS ON, UH, 2 35? I BELIEVE SO.
THE ONLY LIGHT IS AT, UH, 2 35 AND AND CENTER POINT 70.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S OUR LIGHT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY LIGHTS THAT ODOT WILL CONTROL THAT HAS AN IMPACT ON THIS PROJECT? SO I, NOT DIRECTLY, I, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THEM TO, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A VESTED INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THAT YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE, THE SYSTEMS FLOW OFF OF THE HIGHWAY, UM, IN AN EFFICIENT MANNER.
WE HAVE A, A VESTED INTEREST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, CENTER POINT 70 AND ON THE TRUCKING AND THE, THE FACILITIES BEHIND THERE ARE, UH, ARE REPRESENTED WELL.
SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, I THINK THAT WILL, THAT INTERSECTION IS GONNA BE A BIG TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.
'CAUSE WE'RE EFFECTIVELY DOUBLING THE CAPACITY AND THE SIZE OF THAT IN, OF THAT INTERSECTION.
IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN CONTROL.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT, IT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE ON 2 0 1 OR 2 0 2 WITH, UH, O O AND I, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T COOPERATE, IT'S JUST THAT THEY'RE VERY SLOW IN, IN GETTING THINGS DONE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE SHALL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? ARE YOU WITH THE APPLICANT? NO.
WE, LET'S HIT WITH, WITH THE APPLICANT FIRST AND THEN I'LL THANK YOU.
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GOOD EVENING.UH, ANDY SHAW WITH KIMLEY HORN.
UH, INTRODUCE YOU TO, UM, UM, SCOTT RATCLIFFE SIGN IN REPRESENTS BUCKY'S.
COULD YOU PLEASE SIGN IN, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
WHERE'S THE
I AM SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOUR OTHER GENTLEMAN'S NAME.
UM, HAPPY TO SEE THE TURNOUT AND THE ENTHUSIASM FOR, UH, FOR OUR, OUR PROJECT AND OUR CLIENT.
UM, LET SCOTT TALK MORE ABOUT BUCKY'S ITSELF, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS, AS THE CIVIL ENGINEERS HANDLING THE, THE SITE DEVELOPMENT AND, AND THE ROADWAY.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT, THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE WITH ALL DEVELOPMENTS THAT IT, IT'S TRAFFIC RELATED AND CERTAINLY IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE IF THE TRAFFIC DOESN'T WORK HERE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO ELSEWHERE.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, THE, THE OVERALL PLAN, WE'VE BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL.
WE'VE BEEN VERY DILIGENT IN ENGAGING THE CITY, ENGAGING ODOT EARLY ON, UH, TALKING THROUGH A NUMBER OF THINGS BECAUSE IT IS, IT, IT'S A, IT'S AN EXCELLENT SITE FROM A, FROM A SERVICE STANDPOINT, FROM A GETTING, GETTING VEHICLES OFF THE INTERSTATE AND IN, AND THEN BACK OFF WITHOUT IMPACTING THE LARGER COMMUNITY.
UH, BUT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, A A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES, RETARDING BASIN, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE WORKED THROUGH HERE.
AND VERY APPRECIATIVE OF AARON AND, UH, HIS, HIS TIME, UH, CITY ENGINEER, FIRE, AS WELL AS ODOT TO GET US TO THIS POINT.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH Y'ALL THIS EVENING.
IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO POTENTIALLY BUILD A BUCKY'S TRAVEL CENTER HERE IN UBER HEIGHTS.
WE APPRECIATE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR Y'ALL TO HEAR OUR CASE THIS EVENING.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT A NORMAL TRAVEL CENTER.
WE'RE NOT A NORMAL GAS STATION.
UH, AS AARON MENTIONED, WE ARE A DESTINATION.
I HOPE Y'ALL HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT US SOMEWHERE AROUND THE NATION, AS WE ARE PRETTY SCATTERED ABOUT NOW.
WE'RE ALL OVER FLORIDA AND DOWN SOUTH, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT COMING NORTH AND APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY.
UM, AS IS MENTIONED, WE HAVE, UH, SEVERAL EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE.
UH, WE HAVE EXCELLENT STAFF AT THE WORLD'S CLEANEST BATHROOMS AND, UH, EVERY KIND OF, UH, JERKY YOU CAN THINK OF.
UM, WE HAVE WORKED FOR MONTHS NOW WITH, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND BACK TO SOME OF YOUR TRANSPORTATION QUESTIONS.
UM, THOSE THINGS ARE GETTING FINE TUNED.
UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM DILIGENTLY, SO RELATED TO SOME OF THE CROSS ACCESS AND THOSE THINGS.
THOSE THINGS WILL BE WORKED OUT, EXACT ACCOUNTS AND SO FORTH FOR THOSE PARTICULAR MOVEMENTS ARE STILL UNKNOWN BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WAITING ON DIRECTION FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
UM, AS IT RELATES TO OUR ENVIRONMENTAL, WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON BEING CLEAN, PRIDE OURSELVES ON, ON HAVING EVERYTHING IN STOCK AND BEING FRIENDLY.
AND, UH, WE THINK WE CAN BRING A GOOD, UM, MIX OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE TRAVELING THROUGH THIS AREA TO YOUR TOWN.
AND THAT'S KIND OF OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO, UH, BE THE NEW, UM, BENCHMARK AS YOU WILL ALONG THE INTERSTATE IN THIS AREA.
I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT BUCKY'S OR MY TEAM CAN HELP WITH ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MS. VARGO? UM, I'M SURE YOU WERE HERE DURING MS. CORCORAN'S PRESENTATION.
AND I APPRECIATE JENNIFER AND MATTHEW'S COMMENTS.
AND I, I I'M JUST WONDERING, DO YOU PLAN TO PUT THOSE BATHROOMS OR SEPARATE ROOMS OR A SPACE IN YOUR FACILITY? WE ALREADY HAVE A SEPARATE SPACE.
OUR TEAM IS LOOKING AT THE PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.
ARCHITECTURAL TEAM IS LOOKING AT THAT.
THIS WILL BE THE NEW 74,000 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH THE ONLY ONE THAT'S OPEN RIGHT NOW IS IN SEVIERVILLE, TENNESSEE.
SO THIS IS THE BIGGEST FOOTPRINT WE HAVE IN OUR COLLECTION OF STORES RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO I'VE NEVER BEEN INTO A BUCKY'S, I'M SORRY.
WELL,
UM, WHEN I HEARD, YOU KNOW, THE HYPE ABOUT COMING TO HUBER AND WHAT WE WERE GETTING, SO I, I HAD TRAVELED TO KNOXVILLE, TENNESSEE, AND I STOPPED IN RICHMOND, KENTUCKY ON MY WAY BACK.
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WAS SUPER EXCITED THAT SHE GOT TO TAKE A FIELD TRIP TO BUCKY'S.UM, IT WAS, I WAS AMAZINGLY OVERWHELMED.
UM, I DID USE THE, THE FACILITIES AND YES, THEY WERE IMPECCABLE.
UM, I TALKED TO A COUPLE STAFFERS THAT WERE THERE AND ASKED HOW THEY LIKED WORKING HERE, AND THEY HAD NOTHING BUT POSITIVE THINGS TO SAY.
SO I, IT WAS A PLEASANT, IT WAS A PLEASANT SURPRISE.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T OFTEN HEAR THAT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE STOPPING AT, YOU KNOW, A CONVENIENCE STORE OR A GAS STATION, MOST OF THEM ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, OH, I HAVE TO BE HERE.
UM, IT WAS A VERY, VERY NICE FACILITY.
UM, SO I WAS GLAD I MADE THE, THE EFFORT TO STOP.
SO KIMLEY HORNE, HAVE THEY DONE YOUR TRAFFIC STUDIES FOR OTHER LOCATIONS THEN? THEY HAVE DONE OUR, THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF OUR LATE TRAFFIC STUDIES, YES.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN, UH, THE CAROLINAS AND FLORIDA, UM, MOST OF THE NORTHERN PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THESE, THESE NUMBERS ARE SUBJECT TO SOME REVISION BASED ON ODO T'S INPUT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
THESE ARE BASED ON A COLLECTION THAT WE'VE BEEN DIRECTED TOWARDS TO USE FOR THIS SITE.
SO WE'VE HAD A COLLABORATIVE INTERACTION WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION EXPLAINING, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER FACILITIES HAVE WE LOOKED AT, PROVIDING THEM WITH THE BACKGROUND DATA, LOOKING AT WHAT'S ON THE INTERSTATE, WHAT'S ON THE CROSS TRAFFIC.
ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN PLAYING INTO FACTORS AS TO WHICH STORES WE SELECT AND WHICH DATA WE PUT IN, IN COMPILE INTO OUR ANALYSIS.
AND THEN, HAVE YOU EVER DONE A REVIEW OF THE PROJECTION FOR THE TRAFFICS VERSUS ACTUAL, AND THEN HOW ACCURATE HAVE THOSE BEEN IN PREVIOUS, UH, REVIEWS WE'VE DONE, WE ABOUT EVERY TWO YEARS WE GO AND WE RECOUNT OURSELVES.
SO WE GO AND WE PAY TO HAVE ALL THE TUBES PUT OUT.
WE GATHER ALL THAT INFORMATION, AND THAT'S HOW WE KNOW THESE DATA THAT IN THE DATA THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO THE STATES, IT HAS BECOME, WITH THE GROWING POPULARITY, WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBERS BASED UPON WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.
BUT THE NEW NUMBERS THAT WE'RE USING TODAY ARE THE LATEST AND GREATEST FROM OUR NEW TRAVEL CENTERS IN OTHER STATES.
THE RETENTION POND AT THE SOUTHERN EDGE, UM, I'M SURE THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF WILDLIFE THAT'S PROBABLY USING THAT ON OCCASION.
IS THERE ANY PLANS TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, TRASH THAT MIGHT GET INTO THAT RETENTION POND, OR IS THE PLAN TO, TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN? YES.
SO YES, WE HAVE OUR, OUR OWN, OUR STORM SEWER SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED TO HELP INTERCEPT THAT MATERIALS AS WELL.
AS WELL AS WE HAVE ANYWHERE FROM FOUR TO SIX ATTENDANTS ON THE PROPERTY, WALKING THE SITE, PICKING UP THE OCCASIONAL CUP THAT SOMEBODY'S LEFT BEHIND BAG OF WHATEVER.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT THE BIRDS, WE DON'T WANT THE TRASH BLOWING AROUND THE SITE.
WE DON'T WANT THE TRASH IN THE LANDSCAPING.
AND SO, YES, WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON THAT.
SO IT, IT WILL BE A CONSTANT PART OF THE MAINTENANCE ROUTINE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? YES.
I'VE OWNED TWO PROPERTIES IN HUBER HEIGHTS FOR OVER 50 YEARS.
I'VE WATCHED HUBER HEIGHTS GROW, EXPAND, UM, AND BRING IN NEW BUSINESS.
UH, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE HAD OUR GROWING PAINS, I AM VERY PROUD AND HAPPY AND I THINK IT'S AWESOME THE JOB THAT THE CITY AND THE MAYOR HAS DONE, BRINGING STUFF TO HUBER HEIGHTS.
I HAVE, UH, BEEN TO BUCKY'S DOWN SOUTH.
I'VE EVEN BOUGHT SWIMMING POOL STUFF AT BUCKY'S
I, I WOULD LIKE TO THOUGH BRING IN, SEE OR AT LEAST STUDY THE IDEA OF BRINGING IN AN ACCESS ROAD FOR THE LOCALS.
I DON'T LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING ON THE FREEWAY JUST TO BE ON THE RAMP AND GET RIGHT BACK OFF.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ACCESS GOING UP BELL FOUNTAIN AND COMING IN ON THE WESTERN NORTHWEST SIDE.
IT WOULD BE, I'VE SEEN THAT AT OTHER BUCKY'S.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE LOCALS AND IT MIGHT KEEP SOME BACK, YOU KNOW, LASH OFF THE, UH, OFF THE FREEWAY.
THIS IS NOT AN EXIT OR ANYTHING THAT I WOULD CONSIDER ADVERTISING ON 70 THOUGH.
JUST SOMETHING THE LOCALS COULD USE.
BUT I LIKE TO SEE THAT AND I REALLY LIKE IT AND
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I THINK IT'S A GOOD LOCATION.I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT STUDIED THOUGH.
COULD YOU WRITE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN PLEASE? AND I DO BELIEVE THAT INTER INTER POINT WOULD BE THE, THE BACK DOOR ACCESS ROAD TO COME IN.
I THINK IT ALREADY CONNECTS TO BELL FOUND, CORRECT? IT DOES, YEAH.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? OKAY, WE WILL CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC PORTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? I, NO, I WAS, I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE ROAD THAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
DOES THAT, WHERE EXACTLY IS THE BELL FOUNTAIN ENTRANCE? DO YOU, DO WE HAVE A MAP THAT, SO YOU COULD GO BELL FOUNTAIN, IT CONNECTS INTO ARTS, AND THEN THAT WOULD, UM, KIND OF DUMP YOU ONTO CENTER POINT 70 AND JUST GO RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
IT'S ALREADY, THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
ALREADY, ALREADY THERE BY THE CENTEN, THE BARN BELL FOUNTAIN CROSSES OVER RIGHT TOWARDS THE BICENTENNIAL BARN.
WEDDING VENUE, YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE A COUPLE TURNS, BUT IT'LL LINE UP RIGHT ONTO, IT'LL PUT YOU RIGHT ON CENTER POINT 70 TO GO RIGHT IN AND SHO WILL BE OPEN BACK UP EVENTUALLY TOO.
OR WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT, UH, PREVENT FROM GOING ON 35, 2 35 AND 70.
YOU WOULD JUST CROSS RIGHT OVER.
YEAH, BECAUSE TAYLORSVILLE ROAD RIGHT HERE WOULD JUST GO RIGHT ON DOWN TO BE OUT AND TURN LEFT AND COME UP BEHIND IT.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
SO THERE'S NO BUILDING OF, OF ADDITIONAL ROADS THAT'S NECESSARY.
AND JUST THE ENTRANCE IS ALL YOU WOULD NEED.
WHAT ENTRANCE? AND IT WOULD AN ENTRANCE WHERE, SO WHERE THE, UH, ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT, THAT MAP.
UM, SO THE, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE PLAN, UM, THAT ENTRANCE WILL LINE UP WITH CENTER POINT 70, WHICH IT LINES UP THE GUARD ROAD, WHICH GOES RIGHT ONTO BELL FOUNTAIN.
IT WOULD HELP THE LOCALS A LOT AND KEEP SOME OF OUR TRAFFIC OFF OF THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION TO PROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? BUCKY'S, L T D FOR APPROVAL OF REZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 3.93 ACRES OF AGRICULTURAL COMMERCIAL AND PLAN PUBLIC TO PLAN COMMERCIAL IN A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF APPROXIMATELY 38.56 ACRES TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BUCKY'S TRAVEL CENTER.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF I 70 AND STATE ROUTE 2 35 INTERSECTION CASE RZ B D P 2324 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED 9 8 23 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TOO.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. VARGO? SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE MR. CASSIDY? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? SO WHEN THE APPLICANT IS READY, UM, WE WILL MOVE THIS FORWARD TO CITY, UH, COMMISSION FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE REZONING, UH, AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, APPROVAL.
UH, AND THEN, UH, AFTER THAT, UM, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE, UH, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT CONTINENTAL 7 52 FUND, L L C, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A 288 UNIT MARKET RATE, MULTI-FAMILY COMMUNITY COMPRISED OF A, COMPRISED OF A MIXED STUDIO ONE, TWO, AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 62 0 9 BRANT PIKE, B D P 23 DASH 23.
UH, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION AT SOME POINT IF, UH, JUST IN ADDITION TO MINE.
WOULD YOU LIKE THAT PRESENTATION BEFORE YOU? NO.
NO, I MEAN, WELL, IT'S YOUR, YOUR MEETING.
SEE, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT HE'S GOING TO PRESENT, SO.
UH, SO, UH, WE'VE SEEN THIS SITE BEFORE.
YOU'VE ACTUALLY APPROVED LAST, UH, LAST YEAR, UH, AND THEN EARLIER THIS YEAR,
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UH, PROJECT ON THIS SITE.UM, SO IT IS, UH, 15.56 ACRES.
UH, IT IS ZONED PLANNED MIXED USE.
IT ALSO HAS THE BLA, UH, BRANT PIKE OVERLAY, UH, DISTRICT ON IT.
UH, WE HAVE R FOUR TO THE WEST, PLANNED COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH, UH, TO THE EAST, UH, IS PLANNED.
MIXED USE INTO THE SOUTH IS PLANNED PUBLIC BUILDINGS AS WELL AS B THREE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL FOR A, UM, THAT'S A MISTAKE, A 200 AND, UH, 88 UNIT MARKET RATE, UH, COMMUNITY, WHICH IS A MIX OF ONE, TWO, AND, UH, THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
SO THIS IS EFFECTIVELY THE SITE, UM, THAT WILL BE BUILT UPON.
UH, WE ARE PLANNING TO CONSTRUCT A PUBLIC ROAD THAT WILL COME THROUGH HERE.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A ROUNDABOUT, WHICH WILL THEN CONNECT TO THE, UH, TO THE NORTH.
UH, THE LIBRARY IS CONSTRUCTED RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS IS, UH, JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, ON THE CITY SIDE.
THIS IS WHERE THE NEW CIVIC CENTER AND SENIOR CENTER WILL BE LOCATED.
UH, WE ARE IN FINAL DESIGN OF THIS, UH, OF THIS ROADWAY.
THE, THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED TONIGHT ARE EFFECTIVELY RIGHT HERE, UH, DOWN TO THE SOUTH IS DOGTOWN.
UH, AND WE WILL BE STARTING THE DEMOLITION OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY FOR CR DAYTON HERE SHORTLY.
SO THIS IS THE CURRENT LAYOUT OF THE SENIOR CENTER, UM, WHICH, UH, WHICH WILL FRAME RAMP PIKE, UH, PRETTY WELL.
UM, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2017.
UM, THE BRAND PIKE, OR, WELL, EXCUSE ME, THE BRAND PIKE OVERLAY WAS, UH, PUT ON IN 2017.
THEY IDENTIFIED A NEED FOR SENIOR MARKET RATE HOUSING.
WE PURCHASED A FEW YEARS AGO, THE FORMER SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, SINCE THAT TIME, THE LIBRARY IS LOCATED THERE.
DOGTOWN IS UP AND RUNNING, UH, THE SHOPPING CENTER FACADE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEGUN.
WE ARE IN, UH, DESIGNING THE SENIOR CENTER AND NEW CIVIC, UH, BUILDING, UH, AS WELL AS THE ROADWAY RIGHT NOW.
UH, TIF PROCEEDS FOR ALL OF THESE, UM, DEVELOPMENTS WILL BE USED TO COVER THE, UH, PART OF THE COST OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
SO, JUST, UH, JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, UH, THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED.
SO THERE WAS 192, UH, MARKET RATE UNITS.
UH, THERE WAS ANOTHER, UM, A HUNDRED AND CHANGE, UH, SENIOR, UH, UNITS HERE.
UH, THIS IS THE LIBRARY, SORRY, THIS IS THE LIBRARY.
UH, THE SENIOR CENTER HAS, UH, HAS BEEN, UM, LOCATED HERE.
NOW, UH, THIS RETENTION POND IS GOING AWAY, AND THE CURRENT PLANS SHOW FOR A PARK.
SO THERE'LL BE A CENTRAL, UH, GREEN SPACE.
UH, HOW THAT'S ACTIVATED OR PROGRAMMED IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED.
UH, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, WHAT SINCE, UM, THE, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS HAD TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
UH, THE LAST WAS LAST THURSDAY.
UH, THEY SPENT THE, THE WEEKEND REVISING THAT SITE PLAN, UH, BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, SO THIS IS THE, THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
SO I'LL CALL OUT A FEW OF THE DIFFERENCES.
UH, THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE REAR, UH, I'LL CALL IT THE REAR, BUT THE, THE WEST BUFFER YARD, UM, HAS INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY FROM ABOUT 25 FEET TO, UH, BETWEEN 80 AND A HUNDRED FEET, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE ON THE SITE.
UM, THE ORIENTATION OF BUILDINGS THREE AND FOUR HAVE, HAVE IMPROVED, IN MY OPINION.
SO NOW WE'RE REALLY FRAMING, UH, THIS, UH, THIS, THE NEW PUBLIC STREET.
IT'LL OVERLOOK THE, THE NEW PARK.
UM, THE PARKING HAS GONE UP SINCE THEY HAVE RECONFIGURED REALLY THE LOCATION OF, OF THIS BUILDING.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE KIND OF REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE DOG PARK.
UM, BUT THEY HAVE INCREASED THE PARKING FROM 515 TO 550, UH, SPACES.
THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE CONNECTIONS.
CONNECTIONS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PROPOSED HERE AT THE ROUNDABOUT HERE AT THE NORTH END.
UH, AND THEN, UH, SOUTH CONNECTION, UH, ON THIS, UH, THIS IMPROVED STREET.
THESE ARE, UH, ELEVATIONS OF THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THEY ARE TWO STORY, UH, BUILDINGS, UM, LIMITED TO 30 FEET TALL.
UM, SO THEY ARE, UH, MORE IN SCALE WITH THE, UH, HOMES THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE TO THE WEST.
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BETWEEN, UH, SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS PROPOSAL AND THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL? THERE'S NO BALCONIES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED THAT OVERLOOK THE SITE.UH, AND THEN THESE ARE THE THREE STORY, UH, UNITS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY 40 FEET TALL TO THE TOP OF THIS, UH, RIDGE, UH, ROOF RIDGE HERE.
UM, THESE WOULD, THESE WILL BE THE BUILDINGS THAT, THAT FRONT, THE NEW, UM, PUBLIC STREET AND OVERLOOK, UH, OVERLOOK THE PARK.
UM, BUT, UH, THESE, UH, PROPOSED USES ARE, UH, PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED IN THE PLANNED MIXED USE DISTRICT.
UH, THERE IS A APPROXIMATELY AN 80 TO 100 FOOT BUFFER NOW BETWEEN THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURES.
UH, 25 FEET IS REQUIRED, NOT INCLUDED IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS, UH, PRETTY USUAL, UH, SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING.
UM, WE DO RECOMMEND, LIKE WE DID WITH THE PREVIOUS, UM, PROPOSAL THAT WE SEE CLUSTERS OF PLANTINGS AND TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE NEW, UM, OF THE NEW PUBLIC STREET.
THE, AS FAR AS PARKING, THE CODE REQUIRES TWO SPACES PER UNIT.
THIS IS NOW INCREASED TO JUST UNDER THAT.
UM, THIS IS, UH, PROBABLY THE MOST PARKING AS FAR AS MULTIFAMILY THAT WE'VE, UH, THAT WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY.
UM, AS FAR AS THE BRANT PIKE OVERLAY DISTRICT, THIS PROPOSAL GENERALLY MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE B P O.
UM, IT DOES HAVE A STATES A HEIGHT LIMIT OF THREE STORIES OR 35 FEET.
UH, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU GET 35 FEET, BUT, UH, THIS WOULD BE 40 FEET.
UH, THE LAST, UM, PROJECT, UH, WAS A LITTLE BIT TALLER, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE LIBRARY, UH, THE, THE TOP OF ITS ROOF EXCEEDS 35 FEET.
UM, SO IT IS, IT IS ROUGHLY THE, THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS ARE RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT WE HAVE BEEN, UH, APPROVING, UH, RECENTLY.
UH, SO STAFF DOES SUPPORT THAT 35 FOOT HEIGHT DEVIATION.
UH, THE FRONT SETBACK IS, UH, IS 20 FEET ALONG THE NEW, UM, PUBLIC STREET THAT'S, UH, THAT OVERLOOKS THE, UH, PARK, UM, UH, 10 FOOT MINIMUM IS REQUIRED.
UM, WHAT WAS, WHAT IS, UH, UNIQUE TO THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS THAT THE INTERNAL SIDEWALKS ARE SIX FEET, UH, WIDE.
UH, SO WE MAY NEED TO INCREASE OURS, UM, TO, TO MATCH THAT.
UM, BUT TYPICALLY YOU GET A FOUR FOOT WALK.
UH, REMEMBER THE LAST DEVELOPMENT WAS PROPOSED AT A FOUR FOOT WALK.
THIS APPLICANT HAS COME IN WITH SIX, UH, OUT OF THE GATE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE GENERAL STANDARDS, THE, UH, ELEVATIONS ARE GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE BUILDING MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS, UM, BETWEEN 16 AND 18% RIGHT NOW.
UH, THEY'RE SHOWING, UH, STONE VENEER.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, THE APPLICANT IS CON, UH, SEEKING BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND APPROVAL.
ADDITIONAL DETAILS SUCH AS SIGNING SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING, AND LIGHTING, UH, WILL FOLLOW.
SO STAFF DOES RECOMMEND, UH, A APPROVAL.
WE FEEL THAT THE STANDARDS OF 11 71 0 6 CAN BE, UH, MET AND, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT STREET TREES BE PROVIDED.
40 FOOT ON CENTER, UH, THAT A SIGNED PACKAGE THAT MEETS CODES, UH, BE SUBMITTED WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT A LIGHTING PLAN BE SUBMITTED WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPING.
UH, AS WELL, WE'D LIKE TO SEE CLUSTERED LANDSCAPING, UH, BETWEEN THE APARTMENTS AND, AND THE, UH, AND THE SIDEWALK ALONG, UH, THAT NEW PUBLIC ROAD.
UM, THE CODE IS A LITTLE BIT, UM, KIND OF AMBIGUOUS ON WEATHER, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE PROPOSED MEDICAL SITE, WHETHER THERE NEEDS TO BE A HIGHER LEVEL OF BUFFERING WITH, YOU KNOW, MOUNDING AND STUFF, UH, OR FENCING.
UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT CLEARLY WRITTEN.
UH, WE WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A COMMUNITY, NOT A COMPOUND.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO SEE MOUNDING ALONG THAT.
WE WANT TO SEE AN OPEN AREA, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, UH, LANDSCAPED.
UM, THE APPLICANT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS AND FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
UM, WE STAFF FEELS IT'S IMPROVED, UM, BASED ON, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT.
UH, THIS APPLICANT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB ACTIVELY SEEKING FEEDBACK, UH, AND RECEIVING IT AND THEN RESPONDING, UH, IN KIND.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS, MS. VARGO? FIRST OF ALL, UM, I, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE, UH, APPLICANT FOR THE WORK THAT HE DID WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
APPARENTLY THEY'VE, UH, WORKED THINGS OUT AND
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WE DON'T, EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE HAPPY WITH THIS NEW PLAN.UM, YOU SAID SOMETHING EARLIER, I'M NOT SURE I CAUGHT IT RIGHT.
DID YOU SAY THERE WOULD BE NO BALCONIES ON ANY OF THE BUILDINGS? SO THE ELEVATIONS THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED SO FAR, UH, DO NOT INDICATE BALCONIES THAT WOULD BE OF, UH, A LEASE ON THE TWO STORY UNITS THAT ARE ALONG THE, UM, THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WAS A POINT IN CONTENTION THE LAST TIME.
WHAT ABOUT THE FRONT BUILDINGS? NOT AS AT THIS MOMENT, NOT, NO, BUT THAT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS FAR AS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
BUT, UH, WHAT THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO US DO NOT INDICATE, UH, BALCONIES.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY BALCONIES ON ANY OF, UH, THINGS THAT WE WERE PROVIDED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MR. CASSIDY? YEAH, SO, UM, STAFF NOTES ON PAGE EIGHT.
YOU TALK ABOUT THE SCREENING AND BUFFERING PLAN FOR THE, THE REAR, I THINK OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT.
I, I WANNA SAY THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL DEFINITELY WANT TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, BECAUSE I DO APPRECIATE THE SETBACK IMPROVEMENT.
UM, BUT I THINK, I THINK THERE'S STILL GONNA HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERABLE SCREENING BACK THERE.
SO, YEAH, SO THIS AREA IS, IS DIFFICULT.
UM, ABOUT A THIRD OF THE SITE SLOPES TOWARDS THE NEIGHBOR TOWARDS THE WEST.
AND SO THERE HAVE BEEN FLOODING ISSUES AND, YOU KNOW, OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE LAST, UM, PROJECT WAS, UM, A LOT WAS PROMISED, UM, OR AT LEAST REPRESENTED GRAPHICALLY.
UH, AND THEN WHEN WE GOT TO THE ACTUAL GRADING PLAN, UM, A LOT OF IT COULD NOT BE DELIVERED.
UH, SO IN, UM, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, IS AGAIN, WAIT ON THOSE AT THAT DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO FINALIZE THAT, THAT BUFFERING THE ACTIVITIES THAT WOULD OCCUR IN THE REAR.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A DIFFICULT EDGE.
UH, AND WE DO NOT AT ALL WANT TO EXASPERATE SOME OF THE FLOODING ISSUES THAT PARTICULARLY OCCUR RIGHT AROUND THIS AREA.
UM, IS THERE ANY PLANNED USE FOR THAT LAND? IT'S JUST BEHIND THE MEDICAL CENTER, BUT IT'S IN FRONT OF, WHAT IS THAT BUILDING FOUR AND BUILDING TWO? ANY? YEAH, SO RIGHT HERE.
SO WE, UH, DID A LITTLE BIT OF A LAND SWAP WITH, UH, PREMIER HEALTH.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS OWNED BY PREMIER HEALTH.
UM, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ENVISIONED TO BE, UH, ANOTHER MEDICAL BUILDING, UH, AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
UM, BUT WE DID A, A SLIGHT LAND SWAP SO THAT WE COULD, UH, CONNECT TO THE NORTH SHOPPING CENTER IN A, IN A BETTER MANNER.
SUPER PREMIER STILL OWNS THAT LAND? CORRECT.
SO AARON, ON THE, WHEN YOU WERE SAYING THE NO BALCONIES PART, WHICH NOT TO GET INTO THE DESIGN TOO MUCH, IT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE, BUT IS THAT ON ALL OF THE TWO STORIES ALONG THE BACK OR JUST THE ONES THAT RUN HORIZONTAL? UH, ALL OF THE ELEVATIONS THAT I'VE REVIEWED SO FAR DID NOT, UH, HAVE BALCONIES IN ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT AGAIN, WE, I WAS, WHAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED HAS BEEN TWO SHEETS OF ELEVATIONS AS, AS CONCEPTS.
IT JUST, YEAH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S GONNA KNOCK OUT A LOT OF APPLICANTS.
BUT OBVI, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A SHORTAGE, THEY'RE GONNA FILL 'EM ANYWAY.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S RULES OUT QUITE A BIT.
IT'S EVEN ALONG THE BACK LINE, I'M ALL FOR PROTECTING THE RESIDENTS, BUT I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE JUST TWO STORY BUILDINGS BACK THERE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF DISTANCE FROM THEM TO THE HOUSES.
'CAUSE THEY COULD HAVE A TWO STORY HOUSE WAY CLOSER TO THEM THAN THESE BUILDINGS ARE.
UM, SO I, I THINK THEY'VE WORKED WITH 'EM IN THAT CASE.
SO I HAVE NO ISSUE IF THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT PUTTING BALCONIES ON THOSE THINGS TO MAKE 'EM MORE MARKETABLE MYSELF.
UM, UM, THE PARKING STALLS, SO WE GOT THE EMAIL THAT SOMEHOW WE GOT A GOOD NUMBER MORE PARKING ADDED.
DO WE, YOU WENT FROM 1.7 TO 1.9 OR 1.6 TO 1.9.
SO HOW MANY DO WE KNOW WHERE THOSE ALL CAME FROM? 'CAUSE IT, BECAUSE IN THE PACKET IT SAID TO GO TO THE 10 FOOT WIDE STALLS, WE WERE GONNA GIVE UP LIKE A THIRD OF AN ACRE WHERE THE PARKING, YEAH.
SO, BUT THEN WE COME IN AND WE'VE GOT MORE PARKING SOMEHOW.
SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS, UM, A COUPLE CHANGES.
ONE IS THIS, UH, THE BUILDINGS, THE, THE WHOLE SITE SHIFTED EAST, UH, SLIGHTLY.
THESE GOT SMALLER AS THE, UH, THE REAR, UH, ENLARGED, THE, THE TENSION BASIN GOT SLIGHTLY SMALLER.
UH, THE BUILDINGS ARE ALSO ARRANGED A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENTLY FOR THAT ALLOWED, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING.
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KNOW, INCREMENTALLY THEY, THEY WERE ABLE TO INCREASE, INCREASE THAT.SO I NOTICED IN THE BUCKY'S PACKET IT CALLED OUT THAT THEY WERE BUILDING THE 10 BY 20 FOOT STALLS AS REQUIRED.
AND HERE WE'RE IN NINE BY 18, WHICH I KNOW WE GO BACK AND FORTH NINE FOOT AND 10 FOOT WIDE.
I, I, I THINK I'M NEVER GONNA GET ANYBODY TO DO 10 FOOT ALL THE WAY THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH I PARKED NEXT TO YOU TONIGHT.
AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S TIGHT.
AND THESE ARE NOT 10 FOOT SPACES,
BUT I DO THINK WE ARE DOING A HUGE DISSERVICE IF WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW NINE FOOT WIDE A D A STALLS, PEOPLE WITH MOBILITY LIMITATIONS, GETTING IN AND OUT WITH WHETHER IT'S AN OXYGEN TANK OR A WALKER, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THE, A D A STALLS WILL NOT BE NINE FEET WIDE.
IT SAYS THEY ARE IN THE DOCKS TONIGHT.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT.
SO I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO NOT STICK TO THE 10 FOOT WIDE SPACES ON ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS, WE HAVE TO, AT LEAST IN THAT SPACE, I KNOW FAMILY MEMBERS THAT DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, YOU WERE MAKING A CHOICE BETWEEN BANGING A CAR DOOR OR RISKING A FALL.
AND I THINK 10 FOOT, I MEAN, I THINK THE NINE FOOT WIDE WAS PROBABLY DONE YEARS AGO WHEN VEHICLES ARE MUCH, MUCH SMALLER.
SO I STILL BELIEVE THE 10 FOOT IS THE CODE FOR A REASON, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY CAN'T MAKE NINE FOOT STALLS ON A D A SPACES.
I WOULD ACTUALLY LOBBY FOR 10 ALL THE WAY THROUGH, BUT I'M, I'M PRETTY STEADFAST ON THE ADA A ONES.
UM, WHAT ELSE WAS THERE? SORRY, THOUGHT I HAD ONE MORE.
YOU CLEARED UP ONE PIECE AS FAR AS WHAT WE WERE TOLD AS FAR AS THE WATER RUNOFF, BECAUSE THE, I THINK THE PREVIOUS PLAN TOLD US THAT THE WAY THEY WERE DOING THE MOUNDING WAS ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE THE WATER PROBLEM BETTER.
BUT YOU SAID IT WAS A LOT OF EMPTY PROMISES, RIGHT? WHERE THIS ONE, IT SAYS IF WE DO THE MOUNDING, IT JUST MAKES IT WORSE.
SO THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE MOUNDING.
ONE WAS, LIKE I SAID, THE CODE IS KIND OF UNCLEAR HOW WE WOULD TREAT THIS AREA WITH, WITH THE PLANNED MEDICAL, UH, BUILDING TO THE, TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT AS FAR AS THE CLUSTERED LANDSCAPING.
BUT YEAH, THE, THE LAST SITE AND, AND WHEN YOU WENT FROM THE, UH, THE LAST PROPOSAL DURING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWED SIGNIFICANT MOUNTING, LIKE SIX FOOT MOUNTING.
UH, AND THEN WHEN WE GOT TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT SHRUNK SIGNIFICANTLY.
WE MOVED THE TREES, UH, CLOSER TO THE ACTUAL SITE.
SO THERE WAS A MUCH MORE GRADUAL SLOPE, WHICH THEN FED INTO, THERE'S A COUPLE DRAIN, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE MANHOLES OR, OR DRAINS, UH, BACK HERE.
SO IT, IT DID A BETTER JOB OF, OF CHANNELING THAT.
BUT AGAIN, ESPECIALLY THIS AREA TO THE TOP, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS PORTRAYED, UH, FOR SORT OF, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WHAT THE REALITY WAS WHEN WE, WHEN THEY GOT TO THE GRADING PLAN, UM, WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT.
AND THEN I THINK MY LAST ONE IS PROBABLY MORE FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT IN THE EMAIL OF SUPPORT FROM THE RESIDENT, IT SAYS THE CONTINENTAL PROPERTY IS A STATE OF THE COMMITMENT TO BECOME A PERMANENT MEMBER OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS COMMUNITY.
AND I THOUGHT FROM WHEN WE HAD MET WITH THEM IN THE PAST, IT WAS THEY TYPICALLY HOLD THE UNITS EIGHT TO 10 YEARS AND THEN SELL.
AND THEN WHEN IT SAYS 7 52 FUND, IT KIND OF READS LIKE A REIT.
SO I'D BE CURIOUS IF IT'S A PLAN TO BE PERMANENT OR IF THIS IS A BILL AND SELL.
SO I HAVEN'T HAD THOSE CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT THEY'RE HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.
YEAH, SO, UM, THIS USUALLY WORKS, BUT IF NOT, THAT'LL BAR.
LEMME MAKE SURE I SIGN IN HERE RIGHT AWAY.
UH, TO INTRODUCE MYSELF, UH, I'M TREVOR STADLER.
I AM HERE WITH CONTINENTAL PROPERTIES.
UM, THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TONIGHT.
I KNOW I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING A MAJORITY OF YOU GUYS BACK IN MAY, UM, WHEN I FIRST INTRODUCED CONTINENTAL PROPERTIES AND THE AUTHENTICS BRAND, UM, TO YOU GUYS.
I'M ALSO HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE ERIN CONWAY AND OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, JOEL PERRY, UM, WHO CAN ALSO HELP ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, I HAVE PREPARED A PRESENTATION, HOWEVER, ERIN WENT INTO A PRETTY DETAILED PLANS HERE, UM, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S GETTING LATE.
SO IN THE INTEREST OF YOUR GUYS' TIME, I AM, I'M MORE THAN WELCOME OR MORE THAN, UH, HAPPY TO GO INTO THIS PRESENTATION TO DESCRIBE CONTINENTAL IN OUR PROPOSAL.
UM, BUT I'M ALSO WILLING JUST TO GO STRAIGHT TO FIELDING QUESTIONS IF THAT'S, UH, MORE CONDUCIVE TO YOUR TIME HERE.
UM, I GUESS THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO PREFACE BEFORE WE GO RIGHT INTO THEM.
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JUST BEING, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY OUR COMMITMENTS, YOU KNOW, AARON PREFACED HOW WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS ALREADY.YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UM, A COMMITMENT TO NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY, ALL THE COMMUNITIES WE BUILD IN, BUT HUBER HEIGHTS, UM, SPECIFICALLY THIS MASTER PLAN.
AND OUR NEIGHBORS, UM, CONTINENTAL HAS HAD 44 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
UM, WE'VE BUILT OVER 35,000 HOMES.
UM, AND I CAN SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HUBER HEIGHTS IS NO DIFFERENT.
UM, ALL THESE CONSIDERATIONS WERE MADE DUE TO NEIGHBORHOOD DESIRES, UM, TO KIND OF REFERENCE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BEING BROUGHT UP PRIOR.
THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS IS NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT TRUE.
THEY ARE FIVE AND A HALF FEET.
UM, SO I GUESS ROUNDING TECHNICALLY WOULD BE SIX.
UM, THOSE ARE SIX FOOT OR FIVE AND A HALF FOOT NEXT TO PARKING.
UM, AND THEN THREE AND A HALF GOING INTO THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS.
UM, UP TO THOSE AS WELL AS, I WANNA MAKE SURE, OH, THE BALCONIES COMMENT.
UM, SO ALL OF THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, RESIDENCES DO HAVE THEIR OWN PATIO.
UM, INITIALLY WHEN WE WERE, WE BROUGHT THIS, UH, PROJECT TO OUR INVESTMENT TEAM, WE DID HAVE 48 BALCONIES, UH, PLANNED AND PROGRAMMED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AFTER HEARING SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, THOSE WERE REMOVED.
HOWEVER, I KNOW THAT WE INTERNALLY ARE ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO THAT CONVERSATION OF, YOU KNOW, ALTERING THOSE ELEVATIONS TO INCLUDE, UM, BALCONIES, MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT ON THE BACK, BUT MAYBE MORE TOWARDS THE FRONT.
UM, AND THEN FOR THE PARKING SPACES FOR THE A D A, UM, I DO KNOW THAT THEY SAY NINE, UM, BY 18, THAT IS THE SPOT ITSELF.
AND THEN THEY DO HAVE FIVE FOOT BUFFERS ON EITHER SIDE AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT NINE AND A HALF IS THE SPECIFIC SPOT.
AND THEN THEY DO HAVE THE STRIPING ON EITHER SIDE AS WELL.
SO, UM, JUST TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, IS THERE, WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE ME TO GO INTO THE PRESENTATION OR WOULD WE LIKE TO GO STRAIGHT TO QUESTIONS? UH, ROUGHLY HOW LONG IS YOUR PRESENTATION
I WAS GONNA SAY, UM, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE ME ABOUT A MINUTE.
AND WHAT WAS THAT, TWO MINUTES? SO I HAVE A 10 MINUTE PRESENTATION, SO 15 MINUTES.
I MEAN, REALISTICALLY I AM A TALKER.
AND I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU.
SO AS I SAID, UH, WE ARE CONTINENTAL, UM, THE ARROWS.
YEAH, USUALLY THE ROLL BAR, I GUESS ROLL BAR CAN DO THAT.
UH, SO AS I SAID, UH, WE ARE CONTINENTAL PROPERTIES.
WE WERE FOUNDED IN THE SEVENTIES.
UM, WE BEGAN LARGELY WITH RETAIL.
UM, AND WE HAVE GROWN INTO MULTI-FAMILY, UM, AS WELL AS HOSPITALITY.
UH, CURRENTLY ERIN AND I ARE ON A TEAM THAT'S EXCLUSIVELY FO FOCUSED ON OUR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UM, OH, WRONG WAY, SORRY.
UH, WE ARE AN INTEGRATED TEAM HERE, VERTICALLY INTEGRATED, WHICH REALLY THAT MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO ALL OF OUR STUFF IN HOUSE.
SO OUR ENTIRE TEAM IS COMMITTED TO THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT WE ARE BUILDING, AND WHETHER IT BE MARKET RESEARCH, UH, DESIGN, UH, PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT IN OUR PORTFOLIO MANAGEMENT.
UM, AS I BRIEFLY STATED, YOU KNOW, 44 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, THOSE 35,000 HOMES ARE OVER 19 STATES IN 125 DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
UM, WE, AARON AND I ARE ON A MIDWEST FOCUSED TEAM.
AS I SAID, WE ARE, WE ARE, UH, MIDWEST DEVELOPER, AARON AND I BOTH BORN IN THE MIDWEST.
UM, AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO GROW THAT HERE IN OHIO.
UM, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS HERE IN OHIO, UM, NORTH CINCINNATI SUBURBS, UM, THE SPRINGS AT LIBERTY TOWNSHIP SPRINGS AT WESTCHESTER.
UM, AND WE KNOW, WE IDENTIFIED OUR MARKET RESEARCH TEAM IDENTIFIED, UH, THE GREATER DAYTON AREA AS SOMEWHERE WE WANTED TO EXPAND THAT OHIO MARKET.
UM, SO OUR COMMITMENT, OUR REALLY, OUR COMMITMENT, UM, CAN BE BROUGHT IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
IT'S OUR PLEDGE TO OUR RESIDENTS.
UM, SO WE PLEDGE TO OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE WILL GIVE THEM ABOVE AND BEYOND SERVICE, UH, THROUGH OUR LIVING EXPERIENCES, UM, AND THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
UH, AND IF THE FIRST 30 DAYS THEY'RE NOT SATISFIED, WE WILL RELEASE THEM OF THEIR LEASE.
UM, AS WELL AS IT GOES INTO, UH, THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE BUILD IN.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOOKING TO INTEGRATE WELL INTO THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND AS PROVEN BY OUR, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANNA FORGE THOSE HEALTHY AND HONEST RELATIONSHIPS FROM THE BEGINNING.
OH, I'M GONNA KEEP DOING THAT.
UM, AS A LITTLE SNAPSHOT OF THE PROPOSAL, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A TOTAL OF 10 BUILDINGS, 288 HOMES, UM, ROUGHLY 15 AND A HALF, 16 ACRES, UM, MIX OF TWO AND THREE STORIES BUILDINGS, AND IT IS A ZONE SITE.
UM, HERE ARE A COUPLE OF RENDERINGS THAT WE HAD DONE JUST TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE
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WHAT THIS COMMUNITY WILL LOOK LIKE.I'LL JUST KIND OF FLIP THROUGH THESE IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.
HERE'S KIND OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE COMMUNITY HERE WITH OUR CLUBHOUSE, UM, AND THE BUILDINGS SCREENING THAT.
UM, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE SITE SPECIFICALLY.
JUST KIND OF WANNA REMEMBER EVERY, OR REMIND EVERYBODY WHERE IT IS.
UH, 1609 BRENT PIKE, BETWEEN CHAMBERSBURG AND FISHBURG, JUST BEHIND THE NEW LIBRARY.
UM, SO AS WE MENTIONED, EVEN BEFORE OUR ORIGINAL, UH, PROPOSAL, WE HAD PLANS INTERNALLY.
SO ORIGINALLY WE WERE GONNA DO NINE, ALL THREE STORY BUILDINGS.
UM, AND AFTER JUST, YOU KNOW, REVIEWING THE SITE AND ITS PROXIMITY TO NEIGHBORS, UM, WE REALIZED THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY THE PRODUCT THAT WE THOUGHT WAS BEST HERE.
UM, AND THAT WAS ALSO MORE HOMES AS WELL, 3 24.
SO WE, UH, DECIDED, YOU KNOW, IN THE INTEREST OF THE NEIGHBORS, THAT THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO LIMIT THOSE THREE STORY BUILDINGS.
SO THIS WAS THE PLAN THAT WE HAD PRESENTED THEN AT THAT FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
UM, AND WE GOT THAT FEEDBACK FROM, THE FEEDBACK FROM THOSE NEIGHBORS WAS REALLY, YOU KNOW, INCREASING THE DISTANCE, UM, AND POSSIBLY PUT PLACING GARAGES AND KEEPING EXISTING VEGETATION TO SCREEN THE VIEWS AND THE SOUNDS.
UM, ENSURING ADEQUATE PARKING, UM, CONFIRMING WATER AND SEW, SORRY, WATER AND SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY.
UM, AND THEN THIS LAST COMMENT WAS ACTUALLY IN OUR SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, WAS JUST ENSURING, UH, GARAGES BEING ACCEPTABLE TO THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WHERE WE TOOK THOSE COMMENTS INTO, UH, ACCOUNT, INCREASING THAT SETBACK, MOVING THOSE GARAGES TO BUFFER.
UM, AS AARON MENTIONED, WE REDUCED THOSE, UH, SETBACKS ALONG THE FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE.
AND THEN LASTLY, IF YOU NOTICE, WE DID MOVE ONE OF THE GARAGES CLOSER INSIDE THE SITE TO ADDRESS THAT LAST COMMENT WE HAD, UM, AT OUR LAST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
SO THIS IS, UH, THE CURRENT CONCEPTUAL PLAN, 280 UNITS, A MIX OF TWO AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS.
UM, HERE'S JUST KIND OF PUTTING IN A TABLE FORMAT IN CASE YOU GUYS WANNA SEE THE DATA BACK TO BACK, UM, OF KIND OF THE CHANGES THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, SETBACKS, UH, WHERE THE PAVEMENT EDGE IS, WHERE THE HOME COUNT WAS AT, AND YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF MIX OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
UM, SO THE AUTHENTICS PRODUCT, UM, IS REALLY A TWO AND THREE STORY PRODUCT, AS IT SAYS HERE.
UM, IT'S MEANT FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MAYBE JUST STARTING OUT, YOUNG FAMILIES, SINGLES, UM, OLDER PEOPLE AS WELL.
UM, AND THAT REALLY JUST COMES FROM THAT, THAT SIMPLIFIED EFFICIENT, COST-EFFECTIVE BUILDING, UM, THAT GIVES PEOPLE THAT CLEAN NEW BUILD, UM, AT A QUALITY RATE.
UM, BASICALLY SAYS EXACTLY WHAT I JUST SAID AS WELL.
UM, HERE ARE THE ELEVATIONS, UH, PUT ON ONE SLIDE ALTOGETHER.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS A MIX OF, YOU KNOW, COLORS OF TEXTURES.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, VARIATION IN THE FRONTS OF THE BUILDINGS.
UM, AND IT, WE DO BELIEVE IN FOREST STARTED ARCHITECTURE.
SO THE FRONT AND THE BACKS WILL BOTH LOOK LIKE THIS.
UM, HERE ARE JUST SOME PICTURES FROM SOME OF OUR, OUR PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENTS.
THIS ONE IS IN MICHIGAN, SO NOTICE, SO THE COLORS MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THIS ONE WE'RE, UH, WE DO HAVE THAT COMPOSITE STONE ON THERE.
UH, OR SORRY, THIS PICTURE IS NOT ON THERE, BUT WE ARE PRO PROPOSING THAT HERE AT HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, THE INTERIOR DESIGN, LIKE WE SAID, IT'S FROM STUDIOS TO THREE BEDROOMS HERE.
THE RANGES, UM, OF THOSE UNITS SIZES.
AND HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF WHAT WE WOULD BE OFFERING, LIKE I SAID, CLEAN, MODERN, DURABLE INTERIORS, UM, AT A GREAT RATE, AS WELL AS HERE'S THE INTERIORS OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE CLUBHOUSE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE HAVE A CAR CARE CENTER WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST HAS A VACUUM.
PEOPLE CAN CLEAN OUT THEIR CARS, RINSE OFF THEIR CARS LIKE YOU PROBABLY WOULD IN YOUR DRIVEWAY AT A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
UM, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, GRILLS AND A POOL DECK, 24 HOUR FITNESS CENTER INSIDE THE CLUBHOUSE AS WELL FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND A LEASH FREE PET PARK.
I PUT IT ON HYPER SPEED BECAUSE I THAT WAS NINE MINUTES.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE, UH, THE APPLICANT? MS. VARGO, DO YOU HAVE, I, SINCE YOU'RE HAVING THREE BEDROOMS, DO YOU HAVE PLANS FOR ANY PLAYGROUND AT ALL? THERE'S NOT A PLAN FOR A, UH, A SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, PLAYGROUND ON SITE, THOUGH.
THERE ARE AREAS THAT WE TRY TO AMENITIZE, UM, PROGRAM FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, BAGS OR YOU KNOW,
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BALL, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.BUT THE FUTURE PLAN FOR THE CITY HAS A PARKED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA BUILD, UH, THE, THERE'S FUTURE PLANS FOR OPEN SPACE.
UH, WE HAVE NOT STARTED DISCUSSING HOW THAT ACTUALLY, BUT AN OPEN AREA THAT, BUT AN OPEN AREA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. JEFFRIES? THE, THE COMMENT I MADE ABOUT THE, THE RESIDENT SAYING THE COMMITMENT TO BECOMING A PERMANENT MEMBER.
I MEAN, DON'T YOU GUYS EXIT AFTER EIGHT TO 10 YEARS? I THINK, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD AT ONE POINT.
YEAH, I, YOU BROUGHT UP THE COMMENT ABOUT THE, SO PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN PLEASE.
I, UM, YEAH, I THINK I JUST, YOU ANS YOU ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE FUND NUMBER, THE L L C, THAT'S JUST A WAY THAT CONTINENTAL KIND OF PROTECTS EACH INDIVIDUAL ASSET IN TERMS OF LIABILITY.
IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW WE SELL OFF EACH PRO, EACH PIECE OF LAND.
UM, THIS WOULD BE PART OF OUR OVERALL, UH, INCOME FUND.
SO WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT FUNDS TO PURSUE THIS PROJECT.
IT WOULD BE TRANSFERRED INTO OUR DEVELOP OR INCOME FUND, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE 10 YEAR HOLD.
I MEAN, I, I, I GET IT APARTMENTS BY AND, AND TURN, I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS ARE THERE TO BUILD A PRODUCT AND EVENTUALLY WE'LL EXIT AS OWNERS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE JUST NOT NECESSARILY EXIT.
I MEAN, THERE MAY BE IF WE'RE PURSUED OR IF THE, I MEAN, I'M NEVER SAYING NEVER, RIGHT? BUT I THINK THAT OVERALL IN OUR PORTFOLIO, THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE MAINTAINED BY THE COMPANY MUCH LONGER THAN THAT COMMITMENT TO OUR INVESTORS THAT WE MAKE ON EACH PROJECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MS. S FARGO? SO, SO WILL YOU HAVE AN ONSITE MANAGER? YES.
SO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ONSITE ARE CONTINENTAL EMPLOYEES.
THEY WORK FOR THE SAME COMPANY THAT AARON AND I WORK FOR.
AND WE ARE HIGHLY RATED, UM, WITH OUR MANAGEMENT TEAM, UM, AS I MENTIONED, OUR OTHER PROPERTIES IN OHIO OR YOU KNOW, GORGEOUS, METICULOUSLY MAINTAINED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE AND HEARING NONE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? JUST COMMENTS I GUESS.
I MEAN, AARON, AT, AT SOME POINT, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF UNITS COMING THROUGH OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WHETHER IT'S APARTMENTS, HOUSES, HOUSES, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ROADS AND THIS MIGHT BE MORE FOR THESE GUYS TO LOOK INTO.
BUT I MEAN, AT SOME POINT, DON'T WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHERE WE WERE STAFFED FOR POLICE, FIRE AND ROADS OR PUBLIC WORKS FIVE YEARS AGO VERSUS NOW, VERSUS THE ADDITIONS? 'CAUSE I KNOW WE GOT THE NEW CENSUS NUMBERS OUT AND WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME GROWTH IN THE LAST 10 YEARS AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S TRANSLATED INTO BODIES ON THOSE STAFFS.
I'D BE CURIOUS AS WE KEEP APPROVING THESE THINGS AT SOME POINT, I MEAN THAT'S, I KNOW THAT'S COUNCIL AND AND STAFF STUFF, BUT WE'RE THE ONES APPROVING THESE WELL, THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ANYWAY, AND THEN THE DETAILED PLANS OF GROWTH.
I MEAN, WE, WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT IT, RIGHT? SO, UM, HAVING SAT THROUGH A NUMBER OF, UH, COUNCIL MEETINGS RECENTLY, UH, THAT'S CERTAINLY A, UH, A TOPIC.
UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF THE, THE BUDGET PROCESSING FOR, FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO ALL OF THOSE, UH, SERVICE DELIVERY COMPONENTS FROM, UH, EVERYTHING FROM PUBLIC WORKS, POLICE, FIRE TO INTERNAL SERVICES, UH, ALL GET EXAMINED EVERY YEAR.
THIS, THIS IS CERTAINLY TOP OF MIND AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, KNOWING, UH, AND ANTICIPATING WHEN THEY WILL ACTUALLY COME ON SERVICE AND LEASE UP.
WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, AN 18 MONTH RUNWAY BETWEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY TO WHEN, UH, RESIDENTS ARE GONNA START WALKING THROUGH THE DOORS, SO.
WELL, BUT I MEAN, WE'VE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, AT LEAST WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT IN HERE, BUT OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF HOUSING, A LOT OF RESIDENTS, A LOT OF SIDEWALKS, A LOT OF ROADS, YOU KNOW, SO
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK THAT'S NOT, I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT TONIGHT.
I JUST WANNA GET THAT ON OUR RADAR BECAUSE WE ARE APPROVING A THOUSAND APARTMENTS IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
SO, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THAT'S, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, SO CLEARLY THAT'S BEEN A TOPIC OF, OF DISCUSSION.
UM, ACTUALLY OUT LAST NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING, UM, THERE WAS A MOTION TO DIRECT, UH,
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CITY MANAGER TO LOOK INTO HIRING AN ADDITIONAL FOUR OFFICERS KIND OF SPECIFICALLY FOR A NEW TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT.SO THAT WAS JUST PASSED LAST NIGHT.
SO RIGHT NOW WE KNOW WE'VE BEEN DOWN, UH, FIVE POLICE OFFICERS JUST FROM RETIREMENTS AND THINGS, AND WE HAVE THE, THE PROCESS OF, OF HIRING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A POOL OF QUALIFIED APPLICANTS THAT, THAT WE GO TO.
SO WE KNOW OVER THE COURSE WE'RE DOWN FIVE AS WE HIRE THOSE FIVE, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL FOUR.
SO THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL NINE OFFICERS COMING THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY EMPLOYED IN THE FORCE NOW.
AND THAT JUST TOOK PLACE AT LAST NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE LISTENED, WE'VE HEARD WHAT'S GOING ON.
UH, I'VE ADVOCATED FOR A TRAFFIC UNIT FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
UH, WE DO KNOW THERE'S BEEN, BEEN SOME ISSUES.
I CAN TELL YOU THEY, THE TRAFFIC LAWS, SO THEY, THEY CAN GO HAND OUT FOUR HANDICAPPED PARKING TICKETS A DAY AT PLANET FITNESS 10 EVERY TIME YOU GO BY.
SO I'M GONNA GET REALLY OFF TOPIC, BUT WE ARE AWARE OF WHAT SOME OF THE SITUATIONS ARE AND WHAT SOME OF THE ISSUES HAVE BEEN WITH THE, UH, WITH THE SOFTWARE THAT THE OFFICERS USED TO WRITE CITATIONS.
AND THAT IS WELL WITH THE NEW CITY MANAGER, THAT HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION I'VE HAD WITH HIM, RALPH, THE BATSMAN, SOMETHING EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
AND I KNOW EVERYBODY THAT'S BEING LOOKED INTO, WE'RE WAITING FOR THE DATA TO COME BACK.
AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT SPEEDING, YOU SHOULDN'T BECAUSE THE POLICE ARE GONNA START WRITING CITATIONS.
SO THAT'S THAT AS OF LAST NIGHT, THAT'S A VERY CLEAR DIRECTIVE AND DISCUSSIONS WE HAD HAD WITH THE INCOMING CITY MANAGER OVER THE PREVIOUS COUPLE WEEKS SINCE WE MADE THE DECISION TO HIRE HIM.
SO, SO THAT IS BEING ADDRESSED.
AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO SIDE RAIL THE WHOLE CONVERSATION, I JUST KNOW WE'VE APPROVED A LOT AND IT'S BEEN SOMETHING I KEEP THINKING ABOUT, SO WE'RE GONNA FIX IT.
I THINK HE MAKES AN EXCELLENT POINT AND, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH PUBLIC WORKS, I MEAN, WE ALREADY KNOW, UH, ABOUT POLICE AND FIRE, BUT I THINK PUBLIC WORKS ALSO IS, IS, UH, CERTAINLY AFFECTED BY A LOT OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING.
THOSE DEPARTMENT HAS WELL BEEN MADE AWARE THEY HAVE ALL PRESENTED IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE.
THEY'RE PRESENTED WHAT THEIR STAFF MEETINGS ARE.
WE HAVE WHOLE NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITIES BEING BUILT.
SO, UH, WE HAVE THE ROOM FOR PEOPLE NOW WE GOT A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO.
SO ALL THOSE THINGS ARE BEING ADDRESSED THROUGH THESE CYCLES.
ANYONE ELSE NEED TO BRING ANYTHING UP? NO.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT CONTINENTAL 7 52 FUND L L C FOR APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITY PROPERTY LOCATED WEST OF BRANT PIKE IN NORTH OF FISHBURG ROAD, CASE B D P 2323, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED 9 8 23, UH, IN THE PLANNING AND COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. VARGO? SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. THOMAS? YES.
MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO, WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, SO WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE APPLICANT AND WE'LL MOVE, UH, THIS FORWARD, UH, AT WHATEVER, UH, SPEED THEY DIRECT, UH, TO COUNSEL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION FOR THE, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, UH, WE HAVE NO, UH, MINUTES TO APPROVE REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW MR. RELL? YEAH.
UM, AT THIS POINT, I THINK, UH, SO FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING, I'M GONNA BE BRINGING, UM, FOUR TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR YOUR, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ONE IS, UH, ADDRESSING STORAGE UNITS.
UH, IF, IF YOU RECALL, THERE WAS A MORATORIUM PLACED ON SELF-STORAGE UNITS BY, UH, COUNCIL IN ORDER FOR US TO PREPARE, UH, ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION.
UH, SO THAT LEGISLATION WILL BE BEFORE YOU, UM, IN OCTOBER.
UH, JUST A SLIGHT PREVIEW, WHAT I'M PROPOSING, UH, IS A, UM, UH, IS BASICALLY TO ALLOW EXPANSION OF EXISTING SELFER STORAGE UNITS, UH, WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPERTY THEY CURRENTLY OWN, BUT PROHIBIT IN THE FUTURE NEW SELF-STORAGE UNITS WITHIN THE, UH, CITY HUB RIGHTS.
UH, SO YOU CAN NOODLE ON THAT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT IT, BUT THAT WILL BE THE DIRECTION.
UH, SO KETTERING RECENTLY PROHIBITED THEM.
UH, SPRINGBORO HASN'T ALLOWED THEM SINCE THE SEVENTIES.
UH, AND SO WE WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST TO, UH, HEAD DOWN THAT PATH.
TIP CITY AND TROY JUST DID RECENTLY TOO.
I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UM, THE OTHER ITEMS ARE, ARE, SO WE'VE HAD RECENT INQUIRIES INTO DAYCARE, BOTH, UH, CHILD AND ADULT.
UH, OUR, OUR CODE ASSUMES THAT EVERYBODY WHO IS IN DAYCARE IS A CHILD, UH, AND DOES NOT REALLY WELL ADDRESS ADULT CA
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ADULT DAYCARE.IT ASSUMES THAT IT'S IN-HOME CARE.
UH, SO, UH, THIS WOULD BE BETTER DEFINING, UH, CHILD DAYCARE, ADULT DAYCARE, UH, THE DIFFERENT TYPES FROM IN-HOME CARE TO COMMERCIAL TYPE, UH, OF UNITS, UH, THINK U R SS OR EVEN SMALLER, UH, ADULT, UH, TYPE OF DAYCARE.
ALSO ADDRESSING SPECIAL NEEDS HOUSING.
UH, OUR CODE IS NOT IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE STATE LAW CHANGES THAT OCCURRED IN 2019 THAT, UH, FOR LIKE, UH, FOSTER HOMES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO I WANNA BRING US IN LINE WITH, UH, WITH STATE REGULATIONS.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY, UM, THERE IS A CONTRADICTION IN OUR CODE UNDER, UH, WITH, WITHIN AGRICULTURE, UH, USES.
UM, SO WE WANT TO ELIMINATE KIND OF A LOOPHOLE THAT EXISTS AS A CARRYOVER FROM THE WAYNE TOWNSHIP, UH, ZONING RESOLUTION.
UH, IT'S, IT'S BECOME A PROBLEM FOR OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, INDIVI, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT FOLKS.
UH, SO WE WANT TO TIGHTEN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
UH, AND, AND ADDRESS, UH, AGRICULTURAL USES IN NON-AGRICULTURAL LANDS.
UM, SO, UH, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO MINOR RECORD PLANS, UM, WHICH ARE JUST CLEANING UP PROPERTY LINES AND, AND A FINAL STEP FOR WHAT YOU APPROVED AND WHAT HAS BEEN ALREADY BUILT.
UM, BUT THOSE, UH, NAMES ARE ESCAPING ME AT THE MOMENT,
SO, UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT IS WHAT'S ON THE HORIZON FOR OCTOBER.
I, UH, R H M MAY SUBMIT FOR THEIR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THEY'RE STILL GOING THROUGH SOME ENGINEERING, BUT, UH, AT THIS POINT I DON'T SEE ANY LARGER PROJECTS, UH, AS FAR AS REZONING OR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON THE HORIZON.
AARON, QUICK, QUICK QUESTION ON THIS CHANGING TABLE CODE AND, AND THIS SAYS TO THE OHIO BUILDING CODE CHANGE.
I MEAN, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENT THAT WE PICK UP THIS CODE CHANGE OR ANY PORTION THEREOF OR? SO JENNIFER AND I HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHETHER UH OR NOT WE INCORPORATE, UM, THESE REGULATIONS INTO OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES.
SO WE DON'T ENFORCE THE BUILDING CODE, WE DON'T HAVE OUR BUILDING CODE DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE RELY ON THE COUNTY TO ENFORCE THE BUILDING CODE.
UM, WE DO HAVE SECTIONS IN THE ZONING OR IN OUR COURT CODE OF ORDINANCES THAT ARE KIND OF, UH, UPS AND EXTRAS THAT JUST HUBER HEIGHTS REQUIRES THAT ARE ABOVE WHAT THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES.
UM, WHAT I TOLD JENNIFER WAS THAT, SO I, 'CAUSE I WAS UNSURE OF WHEN THIS WAS GONNA BE EFFECTIVE.
UH, WHAT I TOLD HER IS, WAS THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, ADJUSTING OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES.
UM, IF IT WASN'T GOING TO TAKE EFFECT IN THE OHIO BUILDING CODE, UH, UNTIL A, AN UNREASONABLE TIME PERIOD, SINCE IT'S BECOMING EFFECTIVE MARCH 1ST, BY THE TIME WE WOULD DRAFT AND GET APPROVAL, WE MIGHT HAVE APPROVAL BY JANUARY, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A STATE LEVEL APPROVAL BY MARCH.
SO US PUTTING IT IN THE, IN THE CODE, UM, AS, AS A SEPARATE ORDINANCE, DOESN'T GUARANTEE THAT IT WOULD GET CAUGHT.
UM, WHAT I DO THINK IS THAT THIS BODY, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE LARGER PROJECTS LIKE BUCKY'S OR LARGER PUBLIC USE BUILDINGS, WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A FAMILY RESTROOM THAT'S IN INCLUDED AND YOU INTEND TO SEE A LARGER PUBLIC USE OF THAT BUILDING, THAT, THAT WE, THAT WE INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF A CONDITION.
UM, AND SO I WILL WEAVE THAT IN AS A ZONING RESOLUTION.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO, I THINK WE WOULD JUST REFERENCE WHATEVER THE CODE SECTION IS IN THE OHIO REVISED CODE, UH, FOR THE OHIO ADMINISTRATIVE CODE.
I MEAN, UH, FOR, UH, BUILDING CODE.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A STANDALONE SECTION SINCE THE STATE IS MOVING FORWARD.
THAT'S A LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
NO, THAT WAS
UM, ERIN, I WONDER IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO INVITE THE NEW CITY MANAGER TO COME IN AND MEET, TO MEET, UH, I MEAN HE DOESN'T HAVE TO STAY FOR A MEETING, BUT IF HE WOULD, IF, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO MEET HIM AND THIS IS SURE.
PROBABLY THE BEST OPPORTUNITY.
YEAH, I'LL INVITE HIM TO OUR OCTOBER MEETING.
WELL JERRY WILL, WHENEVER, SO I'LL BRING UP OCTOBER'S MEETING.
I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN IF YOU'RE COMING TO THE VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION.
I'M NOT, I'M UNABLE TO MAKE THAT AS WELL.
GOTTA STAY HOME, I GUESS I'LL JUST HAVE TO GET A PERSONAL INVITE.
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ANYTHING? I'LL THROW OUT OCTOBER, NOVEMBER.I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HIS SCHEDULE IS AND WE'LL, WE'LL PLAY WITH, HE'S NOT BUSY WITH ANYTHING NEW.
JUST WANTED TO SEE HEARING NOTHING ELSE.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR COMING.