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UH, WELCOME TO THE CITY OF CUBA HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT SIX O'CLOCK.
THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
UH, TONY, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE.
UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UM, I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE, I THINK IF ANYBODY HAS PAID ATTENTION TO THE NEWS TODAY, YOU'VE SEEN THAT, UM, A HORRIBLE TRAGEDY TOOK PLACE, UH, OUT IN CLARK COUNTY FOR THE NORTHWESTERN SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHERE A, UH, A SCHOOL BUS SWERVED TO MISS A VAN THAT WAS, UH, WENT LEFT OF CENTER AND THE SCHOOL BUS ROLLED OVER AND THERE WERE, I GUESS ABOUT 22, UH, 23 STUDENTS WHO WERE TRANSPORTED TO, UH, SPRINGFIELD HOSPITAL.
AND THERE WAS ONE STUDENT WHO LOST THEIR LIFE.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
AND TODAY, YOU KNOW, UH, NONE OF THEM ARE PROBABLY WATCHING, BUT I WOULD SAY WE ARE THE WARRIORS HERE IN HUBBERT HEIGHTS.
THE NORTHWESTERN SCHOOL DISTRICT IS ALSO THE WARRIORS AND FROM ONE WARRIOR FAMILY TO THE NEXT.
UH, OUR CONDOLENCES ARE CERTAINLY WITH ALL THOSE FAMILIES AND ESPECIALLY THE FAMILY, UH, WHO LOST THEIR CHILD TODAY ON WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A HAPPY DAY.
IT WAS THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL IN THEIR DISTRICT, AND JUST WHAT AN UNBELIEVABLE TRAGEDY THAT THAT WAS.
SO, UM, IF ALL OF YOU COULD KEEP THOSE FAMILIES IN YOUR PRAYERS, UM, THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
[2. Approval Of Minutes]
TWO, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.WE HAVE TWO SETS OF MINUTES THIS EVENING, UH, FROM AUGUST 8TH, 2023 AND AUGUST 14TH, 2023.
UH, THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? CORRECTIONS? IF NOT, THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.
[ City Manager Report]
THREE A, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT.BRIAN, IF YOU WOULD, UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
UH, HAVING, UH, JUST MET LAST NIGHT WITH A, UH, REPORT ON THE AGENDA.
THEN, UH, THE ONLY ITEM I HAVE, UH, FOR, UH, COUNCIL IN THE COMMUNITY THIS EVENING IS TO FOLLOW UP ON A COUNCIL REQUEST FOR THE HANDICAP ASSIST DOORS OVER AT THE, UH, WATER OFFICE, UH, THAT'S BEING PUT IN THIS WEEK.
SO, JUST WANTED TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE THAT, UH, WE DID FOLLOW UP AND WE'RE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE LANDLORD.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE THIS EVENING.
[ Citizens Water And Sewer Advisory Board Update]
ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE CITIZENS WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD UPDATE.THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER OF OUR ONGOING SERIES OF HAVING REPRESENTATIVES OF THE VARIOUS CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS BE PRESENT TO TALK ABOUT THE WORK OF, UH, THEIR BOARD.
IT'S, UH, THE MEETING OF THE CI CITIZENS WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION.
SO I WOULD, UH, ASK THEM TO COME FORWARD.
AND, UH, I, I SEE SEVERAL MEMBERS HERE.
SO YOU COULD INTRODUCE THEM TO, UH, COUNCIL, THEN THE PUBLIC.
SO SAMUEL ROBINSON, UM, CURRENT VICE CHAIR OF THE CITIZENS SEWER OF WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD.
HOPEFULLY I DO MANAGE TO SPEAK ENGLISH TONIGHT.
THAT'S A DIFFICULT THING RIGHT NOW.
AND ALSO FROM VEE AND MS. PAM WHITE, WHO'S JOINED US.
UM, AND SHE HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, GREAT FACILITATING SOME OF OUR MEETINGS AND PROVIDES INFORMATION TO US.
UM, I'M LISA JETER, AND AGAIN, I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ENGLISH TONIGHT.
SO I'M GONNA TRY TO KEEP THIS BRIEF.
THANK YOU FOR INVITING US TO, UM, TO TALK ABOUT BASICALLY WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH THE WATER, UM, AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD.
UM, YOU'LL NOTICE UP ON THE SCREEN THERE, IT'S KIND OF AN OUTLINE OF SOME OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS TONIGHT.
UM, I'M SORT OF A LOOSE FOLLOWER OF SOME OF THESE TOPICS.
UM, AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR ANYTHING ANYONE WANTS TO BRING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS.
WE WILL ASK FOR INFORMATION, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, UM, JUST TO GET STARTED, YOU WRITE CITIZENS WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD.
UM, I'M NOT BEING CREATIVE WHEN I, THOSE FIRST SERIES OF BULLETS.
UM, BOARD MISSION IS RIGHT FROM THE HUBER HEIGHTS GOVERNMENT WEBSITE.
UM, SO I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING EXCITING THERE OR CREATIVE.
I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE, BASICALLY, OF WHAT OUR POINT AND OUR MISSION IS.
WE DISCUSSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, CUSTOMER BILLING, AND ELEMENTS OF CUSTOMER SERVICE POLICIES TO GOVERN THE OPERATION OF WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS, THE QUALITY OF WATER DELIVERED TO OUR CUSTOMERS, AND THE WATER AND SEWER SERVICE RATES AND MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OF WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEMS AND PROPERTIES.
UM, POINTS TWO AND THREE ARE KIND OF OPEN DISCUSSION TOPICS THAT WE CAN GET INTO IF WE HAVE TIME.
UM, BUT TO COME BACK TO POINT NUMBER ONE, UM, IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO, WE HAVE BASICALLY FOLLOWED THE PURVIEW OF WHAT WAS SET ASIDE FOR US BY CREATION OF THE BOARD, WHICH WAS TO SOLICIT
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INPUT FROM ALL, UM, WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM USERS, RELAY THEIR INPUT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, ASSIST THE CITY STAFF IN MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS OF UTILITY MANAGEMENT, AND DEVELOP LONG RANGE PLANS FOR IMPROVEMENT OF THAT SYSTEM.AND FINALLY, TO REVIEW, RECOMMEND, AND ADVISE THE CITY COUNCIL ON MATTERS RELATING TO THOSE BULLET POINTS, A THROUGH F UP THERE.
UM, SO FOR THE PAST 15 MONTHS OR SO, UM, AND I HOPE SAM WILL HELP YOU WITH THIS.
UM, HE'S GOT MUCH MORE EXPERIENCE WITH THE BOARD THAN I DO.
UM, IN THE PAST 15 MONTHS, WE HAVE, UM, FIELDED BASICALLY THREE, MAYBE FOUR CUSTOMER BILLING ELEMENTS OF, UH, CUSTOMER SERVICE CONCERNS FROM THE CITIZENS.
UM, THEY WERE, TWO OF THE THREE ISSUES WERE EASILY ANSWERED BY JUST ADDRESSING THEM IN LIGHT OF THE CITY ORDINANCE.
UM, THE THIRD WAS PROBABLY MORE OF A GRAY AREA.
IT WAS A CITIZEN CONCERNED WITH, UM, SOME BILLING ISSUES, UM, BASED ON ESTIMATED BILLING.
HE LIVES ON A MORE RURAL PORT HARSH PORTION OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, AND I THINK RUSS BERGMAN, WHO I DON'T BELIEVE IS ABLE TO JOIN US TONIGHT, THE CITY ENGINEER WAS ABLE TO HELP WITH DETERMINING, UH, BEST WAY TO GIVE HIM SOME CUS CUSTOMER SATISFACTION.
OTHER ISSUES THAT WE TEND TO SPEND TIME IN OUR MEETINGS DISCUSSING INVOLVED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS GOING ON HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, AGAIN, RUSS BERGMAN GIVES US, UM, SOME UPDATES ON THAT AS WELL AS PAM WTT, WHO GIVES US INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON ON V E SIDE, UM, OF THOSE ISSUES.
AND, UM, SOME OF THOSE ISSUES INVOLVE INCREASED DEVELOPMENT, UM, INCREASED NEED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE GOING ON WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE BROAD REACH PROJECT, UM, WHICH IS GOING ON AT THE TAYLORSVILLE AND TROY AREA.
A LOT OF EXPANSION GOING ON THERE WITH MORE SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, MORE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED.
UM, WE'VE GOT AN INCREASED POPULATION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GROWING ALL THE TIME.
UM, SO OF COURSE THERE'S MORE DEMAND FOR WATER AND SEWER THERE.
UM, THE WATER PLANT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN THE LAST FEW YEARS OF, UM, EXPANDING AND IMPROVING ITSELF.
UM, ADDING WELLS, DOING PRELIMINARY MAINTENANCE ON THE WELLS TO KEEP THEM OPERATING, UM, TO PROVIDE MORE AND MORE GALLONS OF WATER A DAY TO THE CITIZENS.
UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT INCREASED SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
BASICALLY THAT'S EXPANDING ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF HUBER HEIGHTS, WHICH IS ALLOWING US TO REROUTE SOME OF OUR OWN WASTEWATER BACK TO OUR TREATMENT FACILITY AT TRI-CITIES.
UM, AS OPPOSED TO GOING OVER THE BORDER INTO FAIRBORN, BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY DON'T APPRECIATE THAT ALL THAT MUCH.
UM, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, LET'S SEE IF I'M LEAVING ANYTHING HERE OUT.
UM, PAM WHITE HAS ALSO BROUGHT FORTH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH VEOLIA IN THEIR ATTEMPT TO BASICALLY, UM, MAINTAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE SHE HAS BROUGHT TO LIGHT THE, UM, THE INCREASED, UM, EFFORTS TO TELEVISE OUR SEWER SYSTEM SO THAT THEY CAN BE IMPROVED, REPAIRED, REIGNED, AND SO THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, IN THE COMING YEARS OF GROWTH FOR HUBER, UM, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE ISSUES THAT THEY'VE HAD BASICALLY WITH, UM, GETTING INCREASED OR, YOU KNOW, SUPPLYING METERS WITH OUR NEW CUSTOMERS.
THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM BECAUSE OF, UM, EFFORTS TO GET EQUIPMENT.
IT'S, YOU'RE EVER, YOU'RE EVER FINDING THAT NEED.
UM, AND FINALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO KIND OF TOOT OUR HORN BECAUSE WE'VE UNDERSTOOD THAT EVEN WITH THE GROWTH AND CHANGES OF HUBER HEIGHTS, HUBER HEIGHTS HAS, YOU KNOW, DONE SOME GREAT THINGS LIKE IMPROVING THE SEWER SYSTEM SO THAT IT CAN BE DURABLE INTO THE COMING FUTURE, LAYING OUT MORE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE GROWTH OF OUR CITIZENS.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT ABOUT IS THE, THE FACT THAT IN THE LAST YEAR THERE'S BEEN A DECREASED NUMBER OF WATER MAIN MAIN BREAKS.
THAT'S A, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HELPS EVERYONE.
UM, AND I THINK I MENTIONED THIS ALREADY.
BASICALLY, THE, THE SYSTEM, THE WELL SYSTEM IS IMPROVING BY GENERATING MORE WATER FOR US.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IN THE MEANING IS HOW DO WE KIND OF REACH OUT TO THE CITIZENS AND GET A LITTLE BIT MORE FEEDBACK.
WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT, BUT WE KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OF MAYBE TOOTING THE HORN OF HUBER HEIGHTS TO LET THE CITIZENS KNOW HOW WELL HUBER HEIGHTS IS DOING TO PROVIDE CLEAN WATER THAT MEETS, UM, U S C P A REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS DRINKING WATER STANDARDS.
UM, HUBER HEIGHTS AND TRI-CITIES HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF TREATING WASTEWATER SO THAT THEY CAN MEET THE NATIONAL POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THERE IS A LITTLE VIDEO THAT I FOUND OUT THERE ON LINKEDIN.
I THINK IT WAS THE KEATON CASE ENVIRONMENTAL OR ENGINEERING AGENCY THAT DID A LITTLE AERIAL PHOTO OR AERIAL MOVIE OF THE TRI-CITIES WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S A EVERYONE DECIDE KIND OF IDEA.
UM, WHY NOT PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT OUT
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THERE? UM, WHY NOT PROFILE THE, THE WORKERS OF VEOLIA, THE HUBER HEIGHTS FOLKS WHO DO THE HARD WORK OF PROVIDING GOOD WATER, CLEAN WATER, AND DO THE TREATMENT, UM, FOR WASTEWATER AND LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW GOOD OF A JOB WE DO.UM, PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE THESE THINGS UNTIL THEY GO WRONG, BUT A LOT GOES RIGHT.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO KIND OF PUT THAT OUT THERE.
UM, AND FINALLY, WE HAVE INVITATION TO THE COUNCIL.
I'M THROWING THE GAUNTLET DOWN.
WE, WE SIT AND WE DISCUSS AND WE HEAR A LOT OF THINGS.
WE DON'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND WHY YOU MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT YOU DO.
AND SO WE'D LIKE TO INVITE ONE OR TWO, OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE TO COME SIT IN ON OUR MEETINGS AT TIMES AND KIND OF GIVE US AN INPUT ABOUT WHY YOU MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT YOU DO AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE GROWTH, WHERE HUBER HEIGHTS IS GOING.
UM, HELP US, EDUCATE US AND GIVE US SOME KIND OF INFORMATION EXCHANGE ABOUT WHERE THINGS ARE GOING IN THE CITY.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? MR. SAMUEL ROBINSON.
OH, MY NAME IS, UH, SAM ROBINSON, AND I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE WATER BOARD, I THINK FOR 11 YEARS.
I NEED TO GET ON THE MIC SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.
I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE WATERBOARD FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS, AND FOR SOME OF THOSE YEARS I WAS THE, THE CHAIR AND, AND NOW I'M THE VICE CHAIR.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, UH, PUSHED, UH, RUST TO PART HER ON IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
CERTAINLY THAT ADDRESSES THE WATER PART,
THAT'S THE PART WE'RE INTERESTED IN.
AND, UH, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO RE REPORT THAT THERE IS A VIABLE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
AND WE ASK HIM ABOUT ONCE A YEAR ABOUT THAT, ANY UPDATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PLANNING AHEAD FOR WHAT'S GOING ON FOR THE CITIZENS OF, OF, OF OUR CITY.
THE, UH, NEXT THING, AS, UH, LISA SAID THAT, UH, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO INCREASE THE PUBLICITY OF WHAT WE ARE DOING CERTAINLY HELPS, UH, DURING THE, UH, OUR, THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES FOR THE, UH, UH, PRESSURE, UH, DISTRIBUTION AND FOR THE, UH, FLUORIDE, UH, TREATMENT.
UM, WE, WE DID GET A LOT OF COMMENTS OFFHAND FROM CITIZENS WHEN I WOULD TELL THEM THAT I'M A PART OF THE WATERBOARD, I'D GET, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS OR THAT.
SO THE MORE PUBLICITY ABOUT WHY WE'RE DOING IT AND, UM, THE BENEFIT TO THE, THE CITIZEN, THE BETTER.
UH, SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO PUT INFORMATION OUT IN THE BILLS OR THINGS LIKE THAT ABOUT WHY, WHY THE COUNCIL HAS MADE THESE DECISIONS AND, AND WHY IT'S TO THE BENEFIT OF THE ASSISTANCE.
THE MORE PUBLICITY ON THAT, THE THE BETTER IN, IN THE PAST, UM, UH, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE COME TO OUR MEETINGS, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER SHAW HAS BEEN THERE, AND COUNCIL MEMBER OTTO HAS BEEN TO OUR MEETINGS.
UH, THIS IS ALL PRE COVID, BUT, UM, I, I THINK ONCE THEY BECAME INVOLVED WITH, UM, NATIONAL LEAGUE, LEAGUE OF CITIES, AS I RECALL, I DON'T THINK THEY HAD QUITE THE TIME TO COME TO OUR MEETINGS, BUT, UH, IT DID MAKE US FEEL PROUD THAT WE HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT, UH, WERE COMING TO OUR BOARD MEETINGS, AND THEN WERE INVOLVED WITH SUCH A, AN ORGANIZATION LIKE THAT.
AND WE HOPE THAT AS PART OF WHATEVER THEY WERE SAYING TO THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES, THEY WERE REMEMBERING, UH, THE, THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE BY THE WATER BOARD TO HELP IMPROVE THE LIFE OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CBER HEIGHTS.
SO WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS.
I, JUST TO FINISH UP, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THEY COULDN'T ALL BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT YOU'LL SEE THEIR NAMES UP THERE, TANNER BANKS, SETH BREWER, UM, YOU KNOW ME, LISA, AND THERE'S MICHAEL MULLEN, SAMUEL ROBINSON.
UM, AND YO SGO WHO COULD NOT MAKE IT, AND DARIUS SMITH, UM, THEY ALL COME OFFERING QUESTIONS, ADVICE, UM, GREAT ENGINEERING BACKGROUND ON SOME OF THEM, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH MR. ROBINSON HERE.
UM, BUT EVERYONE COMES FROM A DIFFERENT PLACE IN LIFE, AND WE ALL HAVE, UM, SOME INFORMATION TO OFFER AND SOME QUESTIONS TO OFFER, AND THAT HELPS US ALL MAKE CERTAIN DECISIONS.
UM, AND I'D LIKE TO ALSO THANK STEPHANIE WONDERLICH OF HUBER HEIGHTS BECAUSE SHE BRINGS SOME OF THOSE CITIZENS, UM, CONCERNS TO US AS WELL, THAT DON'T COME THROUGH SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, SHE'S A GREAT FACILITATOR.
AND OF COURSE, RUSS BERGMAN AND PAM WHITE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, UM, FOR HELPING US PROCEED WITH OUR MEETINGS AND GET THINGS DONE.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TONIGHT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO, NANCY.
YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
YOU GUYS DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
WE APPRECIATE YOU, EVEN IF WE CAN'T COME TO YOUR MEETINGS, THERE ARE TOO MANY MEETINGS.
UM, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT GETTING THE WORD OUT, UM, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL IF WE PUT THAT LINK TO THAT VIDEO ON OUR WEBSITE.
IN THE WATER DEPARTMENT SECTION.
AND, UM, I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT PUT IT TOGETHER.
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LINKEDIN.UM, SO I, I I COULD PROBABLY SEARCH THEIR WEBSITE AND FIND THAT INFORMATION.
WELL, IT SEEMS TO ME IF IT'S ON LINKEDIN THAT IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION, BUT YES, THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.
UM, AND THEN ALSO TO INCLUDE THE LINK IN YOUR WATER BILL IN YOUR NEWSLETTER, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT.
WE NEED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT A GREAT JOB YOU ARE DOING.
UM, MY SECOND QUESTION IS WITH RE WITH, UH, REGARD TO THE, UH, SIP, UM, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
UM, I'M PAM, WE MAKE SURE YOU AND RUSS MAKE SURE THAT THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY IDENTIFIED ARE ROLLED INTO OUR ANNUAL SIP THAT WE DO EVERY, EVERY YEAR.
I WAS CONFIDENT YOU DID, BUT I HAD TO ASK.
AND, AND THE LAST THING WAS, COULD YOU EXPLAIN, UM, YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT WE WANTED OUR WASTEWATER TO GO TO TRI-CITIES, RATHER THAN SENDING IT TO FAIRBORN.
I, UH, HOW DO WE DIFFERENTIATE THAT? AND WE ARE BUILDING AN EXTENSION TO FAIRBORN, UM, TO HELP US? SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN ENGINEERING QUESTION.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF PAM WOULD HAVE.
I, I REALLY, I MEAN, I'M, I'M RU WOULD BE YOUR BETTER PERSON.
THAT QUESTION I JUST JEST FOR YEAH.
SO, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, UH, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE EFFORTS OVER THERE ARE TO DISCONNECT US FROM THE CLARK COUNTY, UH, PROVIDERS.
AND, UH, ON THE WATER SIDE, WE'LL CONNECT TO OUR OWN SYSTEM ON THE SEWER SIDE WILL CONNECT TO THE FAIRBORNE PLANT.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S TO, UM, TO ENSURE CERTAIN CONTROLS, UM, OVER OUR ABILITY TO REGULATE, UH, DEVELOPMENT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY APPROPRIATELY.
SO, UH, THE DIVERSION TO THE, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS TO CONTINUE WITH CLARK COUNTY OR WHETHER OR NOT TO DIVERT TO FAIRBORNE, THAT DOES CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, UH, FOR, UM, I SHOULDN'T SAY IT DOESN'T CREATE, BUT, UH, IT LIMITS, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, WASTEWATER THAT WE WOULD SEND TO TRI-CITY, KEEPING THE AVAILABLE CAPACITY THAT IS, IS STILL PRESENT, UH, ACCESSIBLE AND USABLE FOR US AND OUR PARTNERS.
SO, UH, THE CONNECTION IS TO, UH, BUT, UH, IT DOES HAVE A, UH, RESIDUAL EFFECTS TO THE TRI-CITIES FACILITY.
I THANK YOU FOR THAT MYSELF, BECAUSE I THINK I MISUNDERSTOOD SOME OF HOW THAT WAS WORKING.
SO I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION IN THE EDUCATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST HAD ONE COMMENT.
THE, UH, THE WATER AND SEWER BOARD IS THE ONLY CITY BOARD OR COMMISSION THAT DOESN'T, UH, LIVE STREAM AND TELEVISE THEIR MEETINGS.
'CAUSE YOU GUYS MEET OUTSIDE OF THIS ROOM.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PUBLICIZING IT, YOU KNOW, ONE OPTION FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER WOULD BE LOOKING AT CHANGING TO A DIFFERENT MEETING NIGHT, UH, WHERE THIS ROOM IS AVAILABLE.
AND, UH, YOU COULD USE THIS FOR THE, THE MEETINGS, BUT THEY COULD ALSO BE LIVE STREAMED AND RECORDED.
SO PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T ATTEND THE MEETING COULD WITNESS THE PROCEEDINGS AND, UH, BE AWARE OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING.
I HADN'T CONSIDERED, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD THOUGHT OF IT IN QUITE, IN THAT PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK WE WERE CONSIDERING PRIMARILY SORT OF DOING GLAMOR SHOTS MORE OR LESS WITH THE CITIZEN, WITH THE, THE ACTUAL WORKERS WHO DO THE HARD JOB, UM, OF PROVIDING THE WATER, UM, AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT.
UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
UM, UH, THIS QUESTION IS, UH, FOR BOTH, UH, UH, LISA AND SAM.
UM, WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION WITH THE EAST WATER MAIN AND SEWER EXTENSION, UH, PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD WITH WATER MAIN BREAKS, UM, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE OVERALL INTEGRITY OF OUR SYSTEM, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, SOME OF THE CAPACITY ISSUES AND CONCERNS AND, UM, OUT OF TRI-CITIES, HOW DO YOU FEEL PERSONALLY AND AS A BOARD EDUCATED ON THOSE TOPICS AS YOU STAND HERE IN FRONT OF US TODAY? I ADMITTEDLY, I FEEL LIKE I COULD PROBABLY BETTER EDUCATE MYSELF IF I MADE THE EFFORT TO SEARCH OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.
MY, MY EXPERIENCE WITH TRI-CITIES IS PRETTY OUT OF DATE.
UM, AND BASED ON MY PREVIOUS WORK HISTORY FROM THERE, I'M A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, SO I UNDERSTAND THE BASICS OF WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE.
UM, SOME OF THE UPDATES, UH, THAT ARE CURRENTLY GOING ON, I'M NOT COMPLETELY AWARE OF.
BUT AGAIN, WHEN I DID FIND THAT INFORMATION IN THAT VIDEO, I WAS, I WAS PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THE CHANGES IN THE UPDATES THAT'S GONE ON DOWN THERE.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT MORE IS TO COME, SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
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KNOW YOUR TURN.THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR MEETING DEALS WITH THE, THE WATER ISSUE.
VERY, VERY LITTLE, UH, ADDRESSES THE SEWER, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S PART OF OUR, UM, CHARTERS SEWER.
SO VERY, VERY LITTLE ADDRESSES THE SEWER, UH, ON THE WATER.
WE GET, UH, UPDATES, UH, EVERY OTHER MONTH WHEN WE MEET, UH, FROM THE CITY AND ALSO FROM VEOLIA.
AND THOSE WORK, UH, QUITE WELL IN TERMS OF KEEPING US IN INFORMED, UH, ON WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
IT IS INCUMBENT UPON ME TO, UH, SEARCH OUT INFORMATION TO KEEP, TRY TO KEEP MYSELF UPDATED ABOUT SOME OF THE TECHNICAL THINGS THAT THEY BRING UP.
UM, AT, AT THE MEETING I HAVE FROM MY READING, MY PERSONAL READING, I HAVE BROUGHT UP QUESTIONS TO THEM.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN FLINT, MICHIGAN HAD THAT PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, WHY DO THEY HAVE THAT PROBLEM AND WHY WOULD HE HEIGHTS NOT HAVE THAT PROBLEM? AND I REMEMBER TELLING PAM, WE OUGHT TO GET THAT MESSAGE OUT.
WE ARE NOT LIKE FLINT, MICHIGAN, AND WE ARE NOT GONNA BE FACING THOSE KIND OF PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE.
I'VE, UH, TRIED TO KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH, UH, REGARD TO THE CYBERSECURITY ISSUES.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE, IN THE PAPER ABOUT A, A WATER PLANT WAS ATTACKED FROM A CYBERSECURITY PERSPECTIVE ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO.
THIS WAS IN FLORIDA, THAT THEY WERE ATTACKED.
AND I BROUGHT UP WITH, WITH PAM AND RUSS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE SAME KIND OF THREATS THAT HAPPENED THERE AT THAT PLANT DOWN IN, IN FLORIDA.
UM, I AM STILL A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN SOCIETY OF CIVIL ENGINEERS, AND SO I, WHENEVER I SEE, AND THE MAIN REASON IS, SO I CAN LOOK AT STUFF THAT COMES UP RELATED TO WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO IF I SEE SOMETHING OF INTEREST, I CAN BRING IT UP AT THE MEETING TO PAM AND RUSS, WHICH I HAVE PROBABLY DO THREE OR FOUR TIMES A YEAR.
I ALSO LOOK AT, UM, INFORMATION COMING FROM THE, UM, CYBERSECURITY INFRASTRUCTURE, SECURITY AGENCY, CSA, UH, ABOUT THINGS THAT RELATE TO THE WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURES THERE, THAT THEY KEEP TRACK OF THIS.
OUR WATER IS A, AND SEWER IS A CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER SSA'S GUIDELINES.
SO IF I SEE THINGS THERE THAT MAY BE OF, I THINK OF INTEREST HERE, I BRING THAT UP.
SO, UH, ANOTHER INITIATIVE THAT WE HAD, UH, SHORTLY BEFORE COVID, ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS WHO'S NO LONGER THERE, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, HAD SAID THAT WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON P A S, SO COULD WE DO A STUDY ON THAT, LEAD A STUDY? AND SO WE WORKED AT APPROACHING THE BOARD TO DO THAT.
AND THEN RIGHT AT THAT POINT, UH, FUNDING CAME DOWN FROM, UH, THE STATE THAT GAVE MONEY TO THE CITY TO CON TO CONDUCT THE, THE, THE STUDY.
SO THERE WAS NO NEED FOR THE, TO ASK THE CITY FOR ANY MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO WE HAVE TRIED TO TAKE SOME INITIATIVE WITH REGARD TO MAKING SURE THAT OUR CITIZENS KNOW WHERE WE STAND WITH REGARD TO P A SS.
THERE'S A BIG ISSUE ON P A SS IN, IN NEIGHBORING DAYTON.
AND BECAUSE OF OUR, WHERE WE ARE LOCATED GEOGRAPHICALLY, WE DON'T FACE THAT SAME KIND OF ISSUES.
BUT OUR CITIZENS MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THAT 'CAUSE THEY SEE ALL THAT BAD PUBLICITY IN THE PRESS.
SO P F A SS HAS BEEN ONE OF THOSE ISSUES.
WE ARE TRYING TO STAY ON TOP OF THAT.
UH, THERE WILL BE, I BELIEVE, MORE DIRECTED GUIDANCE COMING DOWN FROM THE STATE, UH, E P A, I BELIEVE, UH, AND THE US E P A REGARDING P F A SS.
AND SO I EXPECT THAT ISSUE TO, UH, BE IN FRONT OF OUR, OUR BOARD AS TO ASKING WHAT THE CITY IS DOING WITH REGARD TO THAT, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE PRESSURE COMING FROM, UM, UH, OUTSIDE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND ALSO THE NEWSPAPERS LOCALLY, TO MAKING SURE THAT WE, WE, UH, MAINTAIN THE CONFIDENCE IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, UM, OUR CITIZENS WOULD EXPECT.
AND, AND, AND SAM, THE REASON I ASK THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE LONG PERIOD OF TIME THAT I WAS THE LIAISON TO YOUR, UH, TO YOUR BOARD, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY ENJOYED WAS THE RESEARCH AND THE EDUCATION THAT THIS BOARD HAD.
UM, AND IN MY OPINION, IT WAS ONE OF OUR MOST UNDERUTILIZED, UM, BOARDS AND, AND UNDERPOWERED BOARDS.
UM, A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS MEET AT THE POLICE COMMUNITY ROOM, IT'S NOT HERE.
RIGHT? ADDITIONALLY, YOUR MEETING SCHEDULE'S NOT LIKE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
UM, BUT THIRD, AND I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY, UM, THIS COUNCIL DOES NOT, UM, LEAN AND DOES NOT INQUIRE WITH YOUR BOARD AS MUCH AS I THINK WE SHOULD WHEN IT COMES TO WATER AND SEWER ISSUES GOING ON IN THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, I MEAN, NOT JUST WITH YOUR EDUCATION AND, AND EXPERIENCE ON THE BOARD, BUT THE ENTIRE BOARD AS A WHOLE.
UM, I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF AND VICE VERSA, IS REALLY GETTING THAT EDUCATION, THAT COMMUNICATION FROM YOU AND FROM THE BOARD, AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S COMMUNICATED BACK TO US.
WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH TONY, THROUGH, UH,
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THROUGH RUSS, THROUGH PAM, WHOEVER.UM, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRI-CITIES, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE YOUR BOARD'S FEEDBACK OF WHERE YOU THINK WE'RE STANDING.
WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THIS COUNCIL AS A WHOLE IS NOT THINKING ABOUT? BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MANY IRONS IN THE FIRE, BUT YOU GUYS ARE FOCUSED JUST ON WATER AND SEWER.
I WANNA KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, UH, SAME THING WITH, UH, THE EAST WATER MAIN, UH, EXTENSION, YOU KNOW, SO THIS LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT IS MY CHALLENGE AS ONE COUNCIL MEMBER TO YOU GUYS, IS, UM, UH, EXPANDING THAT COMMUNICATION TO US AND VICE VERSA.
I WANT TO EXP EXPAND, EXPAND THAT COMMUNICATION TO YOU.
I MEAN, ON EACH ONE OF OUR AGENDAS, THERE'S A WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT UPDATE GETS TO YOUR BOARD AND HOW MUCH OF IT IS SHARED AND, AND, AND THE, AND THE, THE COMMENTS COMING BACK.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO OPEN UP THAT TWO-LANE ROAD.
UM, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I'VE NOTICED OVER THE YEARS WHERE WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF EXPERTISE ANYMORE IN OUR BOARD JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE BACKGROUNDS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS IS INDIVIDUALS WHO ACTUALLY OWN, UM, WELL, WE ALL OWN PROPERTY IN, IN, IN THE CITY, BUT WHO ARE, UH, LANDLORDS.
AND IT WAS REALLY KIND OF INTERESTING TO SEE THE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAT A LANDLORD HAS FOR, FOR DEALING WITH CITY, UM, AGENCIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IN PARTICULAR, LIKE IN OUR CASE WAS, UH, UH, THE, UH, VEOLIA OR THE PRIOR, AND THE PRIOR NAME AS WELL, PRIOR NAMES, EXCUSE ME.
UH, SO THAT WAS ONE AREA THAT I ACTUALLY THOUGHT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING.
THEY ALWAYS BROUGHT THE LANDLORDS ON OUR BOARD, BROUGHT A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AS TO HOW THEY, THEY THOUGHT THE CITY WAS REACTING TO THE DIFFERENT ISSUES OF THAT THEY HAD.
UH, ONE OF MY SONS-IN-LAW IS A LANDLORD HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO I DO ASK HIM WHAT IS HE THINKING ABOUT THE SERVICES THAT THE CITY IS PROVIDING? SO THAT'S A PERSPECTIVE THAT I, I TRY TO GET FOR HOW HE, HOW WE'RE HANDLING A TYPICAL CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS AND THINGS.
IF WE DON'T GET CUSTOMERS COMING IN FRONT OF US, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH DEALING WITH THE CITY.
BUT THAT WAS ONE ACTUALLY THAT'S INTERESTING, IS WE DON'T NECESSARILY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY BACKGROUND NOW FOR SOMEONE WHO'S A LANDLORD IN, IN THE CITY ON THE BOARD, WHICH WE HAD FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS.
THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE THAT HAD THAT LANDLORD BACKGROUND.
I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, AND AS ALWAYS, I APPRECIATE YOUR BOARD.
UH, IT IS ALWAYS, UH, ENERGIZING TO, UH, TO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS, UM, AND, AND LISTEN TO THE EXPERTISE AND THE INFORMATION YOU GUYS HAVE.
CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN FRONT OF US TODAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JEFF, MAY I, UH, ADD ONE THING? UM, UH, SAM, YOU BEING AN ENGINEER, AND I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU KEEPING UP ON THE P F A S ISSUE, BUT, UM, WE HAD A, UH, FORUM AT THE MIAMI VALLEY REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION WHERE WE HAD WRIGHT PATTERSON AND THE YES.
AND DID YOU GO TO THAT? NO, I DID.
UM, AND THERE ARE RESOURCES AT M V R P C THAT YOU CAN CALL, AND THEY WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND, UH, BRING YOU UP TO DATE ON THE LATEST STATUS OF, OF THE WATER STUDIES, THE, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON, HOW THE REGION IS DEALING WITH THE PFA PFAS ISSUE.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP YOU.
I I'LL GO, I WILL CHECK ON THAT.
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NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS THE POLICE DIVISION CRIME DAY PRESENTATION.UH, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PRESENTATION, I'LL, UH, ADDRESS COUNSEL, UH, FROM THE PODIUM.
UM, WANT TO, UM, SHARE WITH COUNSEL, UM, THAT, UH, THE PRESENTATION, ALTHOUGH, UM, I WILL, UH, SPEAK TO THE SLIDES.
THE, UH, ACTUAL, UM, PRESENTATION WAS A GROUP EFFORT.
UH, THE POLICE CHIEF, THE, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR, AND THE, UH, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, UH, ALL HELPED, UH, TO PUT TOGETHER THIS, UH, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT WENT INTO, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION.
SO, UH, I'LL, UH, I'LL PROVIDE A, A PRESENT, UH, I'LL PROVIDE THE, UH, PRESENTATION, UH, HERE.
AND THEN, UH, I'LL YIELD THE FLOOR TO THE CHIEF SO THAT HE CAN ADDRESS ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE.
SO, UH, TO, UH, GET, UH, GET INTO THE CURRENT STAFFING, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUESTS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO COVER.
UH, WANTED TO REVIEW WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY.
SO, AUTHORIZED STRENGTH IS 55, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AUTHORIZED STRENGTH, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION, AND WHEN WE REFER TO OFFICER ANY GENERIC TERM ABOUT PERSONNEL, UH, WE'RE REFERRING TO PERSONNEL THAT, UH, WE BADGE, UH, ARE SWARMED TO, UH, UH, WITH POLICING POWERS, UH, AND HAVE AN ABILITY TO, UH, TO ARREST SOMEBODY TO AFFECT THE LAW.
UH, CURRENTLY WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, WE DO HAVE FIVE VACANCIES.
WE HAVE ONE CONDITIONAL OFFER OUTSTANDING FOR BACKGROUNDS THAT ARE IN
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PROGRESS.AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE FIVE, UH, CANDIDATES REMAINING AS ELIGIBLE, UH, IN THE MOST CURRENT PROCESS LIST.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE, WE STAND AS OF, UH, TODAY, UH, WANT TO ADDRESS, UM, UH, A CONCERN, UH, THAT I'VE HEARD THAT, UH, AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE LEAVING OUR DEPARTMENT THAT, UH, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING TO MOVE ON.
UH, AND, UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING BACK OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, UH, 28 OFFICERS HAVE LEFT THE DEPARTMENT.
BY AND LARGE, MOST OF THEM HAVE RETIRED.
UM, AND THEN THE REST HAVE LEFT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, UM, NOTABLY THOSE THAT HAVE STAYED IN THE BUSINESS TO RETURN TO FORMER EMPLOYERS.
NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S BECAUSE THAT FORMER EMPLOYER NEGOTIATED, UH, DIFFERENT TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF A CONTRACT, OR WHETHER OR NOT THOSE EMPLOYEES REALIZE THAT, UH, WORKING IN A A, AN PROFESSION THAT IS LARGELY GOVERNED BY COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, SENIORITY HAS ITS PRIVILEGES.
SO, WHILE YOU MIGHT HAVE 10 OR 15 YEARS WITH THE DEPARTMENT THAT YOU'VE LEFT, YOU'VE ACCUMULATED CERTAIN PRIVILEGES THERE.
BUT COMING TO OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, WELL, WE MIGHT COMPENSATE YOU WITH 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
UH, YOUR TENURE IN OUR ORGANIZATION STARTS AT THE GROUND FLOOR, AND YOU NEED TO WORK YOUR WAY UP.
SO, UH, THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS, UH, TO, TO MEMBERSHIP, IF YOU WILL.
AND SO PERHAPS MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY LEFT.
UH, BUT, UH, SPECIFICALLY THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, UH, ONE, UH, INDIVIDUAL IN THE LAST 10 YEARS HAS LEFT, UH, SPECIFICALLY TO DO THE SAME JOB AT ANOTHER DEPARTMENT FOR MORE MONEY.
SO WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL SITUATION OF, UH, OF THE WAGES THAT WE PROVIDE, RIGHT? SO WAGES CAN BE A, UH, CAN BE A RECRUITING TOOL.
SO, UH, THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS WHAT OUR NET TAXABLE INCOME WILL BE PER OFFICER, UH, WHEN THE NEW, UM, WHEN THE NEW AGREEMENT GOES INTO EFFECT ON THE 23RD.
UH, SO THIS REPRESENTS THE CONCILIATORS AWARD RIGHT HERE.
UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT, UH, THE HIGHEST TAXABLE INCOME TO OFFICERS ON THE LEFT, THE LOWEST TAXABLE INCOME, UH, ON, IS ON THE RIGHT.
SO, UH, IF THERE IS A CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE DO NOT COMPENSATE OUR STAFF APPROPRIATELY, UH, THAT, UH, THEY NEED OUR, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE, OR THAT EMPLOYMENT, UH, WITH OUR ORGANIZATION, UM, IS SOMEHOW HAMPERED BY AN INABILITY TO PAY WITHIN THE MARKET.
UH, THIS SLIDE CLEARLY DEMONSTRATES THAT NO, WE ARE COMPETITIVE IN OUR PAY, UH, AND OUR PAY STRUCTURE.
UM, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT, UM, SOME PEOPLE WILL TALK ABOUT IS LEAVE.
UM, BEING ABLE TO SPEND TIME AWAY FROM THE JOB, BEING ABLE TO SPEND TIME WITH FAMILY, UH, IS ALSO IMPORTANT AND CAN BE A RECRUITMENT TOOL.
UH, THIS SLIDE SHOWS, UH, WHERE WE WILL BE, UH, WITH CUMULATIVE TIME OFF.
SO CUMULATIVE TIME OFF WILL BE VACATION PERSON LEAVE, UH, AND, UH, COMPENSATORY TIME.
UH, YOU'LL NOTE THAT WE ARE IN THE TOP THIRD OF, UM, THE SAME COMPARABLES.
UH, I THINK THIS SLIDE DEMONSTRATES THAT, UH, WE DO PROVIDE INABILITY FOR ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, UH, TO BE OFF, TO HAVE TIME AWAY SO THAT THEY CAN REST AND RECUPERATE FROM, UH, THE IMPORTANT WORK THAT THEY DO, UH, OF THOSE COLUMNS TO THE LEFT, UH, OF WHERE WE ARE.
I WOULD NOTE THAT XENIA, SPRINGFIELD, AND RIVERSIDE ARE IN THE LOWEST THIRD OF PAY FROM THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
SO IT'S EASY TO COMPENSATE EMPLOYEES WITH MORE TIME OFF WHEN YOU HAVE AN INABILITY IN FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO PAY THEM.
UH, I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT BEAVER CREEK AND SPRINGBORO ARE IN THE TWO THIRDS, TOP TWO THIRDS, UH, OF SALARY.
SO AGAIN, UM, OF EVERYONE TO THE LEFT OF US IN CUMULATIVE TIME OFF, THE ONLY ORGANIZATION TO THE LEFT OF US IN TIME OFF THAT PAYS MORE THAN WE IS THE CITY OF KETTERING.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD, UM, I'M SURE YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD IT, IS WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE CANDIDATES WE USED TO.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE CANDIDATE POOL THAT WE USED TO.
AND I WANT TO PUT THIS SLIDE OUT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT THE POST NINE 11 ERA ANY LONGER.
MOST OF US THAT ARE, UH, I'LL USE THE PHRASE ADULTS, MOST OF US THAT ARE, ARE TENURED, WORKING ADULTS IN THIS BUSINESS.
UH, REMEMBER WHERE WE WERE WHEN NINE 11 HAPPENED, AND WE REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT AND THE CONTEXT OF THAT EVENT.
AND IT DROVE MANY PEOPLE TO SEEK A CAREER IN PUBLIC SERVICE.
IT DROVE MANY PEOPLE TO SEEK A CAREER IN PUBLIC SAFETY.
THOSE PEOPLE THAT HEATED THIS CALL ARE PART OF THAT BIG GROUP OF FOLKS THAT ARE RETIRING.
WE RECENTLY DID A CLASSIFICATION OF COMPENSATION STUDY.
THE AVERAGE TENURE OF OUR EMPLOYEES IS 18 YEARS.
THAT'S THE AVERAGE TIME, UH, THAT OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN HERE.
THIS IS THE GROUP THAT'S LEAVING, AND THE GROUP THAT'S COMING BACK NOW
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LOOK AT LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY THROUGH THE CONTEXT OF TODAY'S CURRENT SOCIETY.SO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS.
THAT MEANS A, A, A LIFE OF SERVICE LIVED ON, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA.
THAT MEANS A LIFE OF PUBLIC SERVICE, UH, UNDER THE SCRUTINY OF, UM, UH, OF VIDEO AND, AND, UM, AND SOCIAL COMMENTARY THAT DIDN'T EXIST, UH, IN THIS TIME.
SO, DO WE HAVE A HUNDRED APPLICANTS FOR 10 POLICE OFFICER POSITIONS LIKE WE DID BACK IN 2002, 2003? NO, WE DON'T.
DO WE HAVE 80 PEOPLE SITTING TO TAKE THE TEST FOR A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC LIKE WE DID BACK THEN? NO, WE DON'T.
BUT NEITHER DOES ANYBODY ELSE.
AND JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RECRUITMENT POOL THAT WE USED TO HAVE 10 YEARS AGO, DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE AN INABILITY TO HIRE QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS TO SERVE IN PUBLIC SAFETY CAPACITY IN OUR ORGANIZATION.
THAT'S JUST SIMPLY NOT, NOT THE TRUTH.
SO IS IT A STRUGGLE TO FIND QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO SERVE IN THESE POSITIONS? YES, IT IS, BUT IT'S A STRUGGLE, NOT JUST FOR THE CITY OF HUBBERT HEIGHTS.
IT'S A STRUGGLE FOR ALL PUBLIC SAFETY ORGANIZATIONS, UH, ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THIS SLIDE.
SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WE WANTED TO GET INTO ONE OF THE REQUESTS WAS CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE DATA? CAN WE TALK ABOUT, UM, UH, HOW THINGS HAVE SHAPED UP HERE IN JUER HEIGHTS? SO WHAT WE DID, LIKE I SAID, IS WE WENT BACK AND WE LOOKED AT, UH, 10 YEARS WORTH OF METRICS.
NOW, IN THIS, IN INSTANCE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE POPULATION CHANGE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE 2020 OR THE 2010 CENSUS AND THE 2020 CENSUS.
SO IN THAT TIMEFRAME, SO BETWEEN 2010 AND 2020, OUR POPULATION GREW BY 14%.
IN THE METRIC THAT WE HAVE HERE, THE 2013 TO 2022, WE LOOKED AT AUTHORIZED STRENGTH.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS SWORN PERSONNEL.
WE INCREASED OUR TOTAL, UH, SWORN PERSONNEL FROM 2013 TO 2022 BY 10% IN THE SAME METRIC PERIOD OF 13 TO 22.
TRAFFIC STOPS ARE DOWN BY 40%.
UH, PART ONE, CRIME DATA SHOWS THAT PART ONE CRIME IS DOWN 40%.
ALL OTHER CRIME IS DOWN 28%, AND CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE UP 3%.
AND SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA ASK ME IS, HEY, BRIAN, IF ALL OF THIS STUFF IS DOWN, HOW COME CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE UP? AND THE REASON THAT CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE UP IS BECAUSE FOLKS WANT TO KNOW WHEN THE TRASH MAN'S COMING TO GET THEIR TRASH, BECAUSE THEY, UH, THEY MISSED MY PICKUP THIS MORNING.
SO CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME, UH, SOMEBODY TELL ME WHEN THE, THE TRASH MAN'S COMING, HEY, UH, MY NEIGHBOR'S DOG IS, IS RUNNING LOOSE, CAN, CAN YOU, YOU HELP ME GET MY NEIGHBOR'S DOG UNDER CONTROL? SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE SEEN THAT INCREASE OF 3% OVER THE 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH CALLS FOR SERVICE COMING IN, UH, TO THE DISPATCH CENTER.
UH, AND, UH, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE AND THE PART ONE CRIME DATA, UH, ARE, UH, SIMILAR TO THE INFORMATION THAT CHIEF SHARED WITH YOU.
UH, BACK IN, I WANNA SAY IT WAS, UH, JUNE OF 2022, UH, WAS WHEN THE CHIEF GAVE HIS STAFFING PRESENTATION.
BUT, UH, THE INFORMATION PRESENTED HERE IS, IS, UH, REFLECTIVE, UH, OF THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.
SO, UM, BRIAN, WHAT'S PART ONE? YEP.
CRIMES, UH, SO PART ONE CRIMES, UH, WE'LL GET INTO THAT, UH, IN THE VERY NEXT SLIDE.
SO PART ONE, CRIMES ARE, UH, WE'LL CALL IT THE MORE EGREGIOUS CRIMES OR THE MORE SEVERE CRIMES, UH, HOMICIDE, RAPE, ROBBERY, FELONIOUS, ASSAULT, BURGLARY, THEFT, AUTO THEFT, AND ARSON.
UH, AND THESE, AGAIN, OVER THAT SAME METRIC PERIOD, UH, THIS IS WHAT THOSE STATISTICS TELL US.
SO WHEN WE LOOK BACK, UH, FROM WHERE WE ARE, UH, AT THE END OF 2022, UH, THIS IS WHAT THE DATA SHOWED US.
UH, AUTO THEFT IS UP FOR EVERYONE.
UM, AND THAT IS THANKS TO, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE, UH, TIKTOK CHALLENGE OR THE FACEBOOK CHALLENGE ON HOW TO STEAL A KIA OR A HYUNDAI.
UH, AND SO AGAIN, THIS PROBLEM IS NOT UNIQUE TO US.
UH, THIS IS A STATEWIDE, NATIONWIDE PROBLEM.
THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN DAYTON DAILY NEWS, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST WEEK, THAT THE PROBLEM IS SO SEVERE THAT THEY'VE, UH, CREATED THEIR OWN TRACKING SYSTEM, UM, UH, TO HELP, UH, RESIDENTS WHO, UH, WHO MIGHT HAVE THEIR VEHICLE STOLEN, BE ABLE TO, TO TRACK THAT VEHICLE DOWN SOONER.
SO, AND, UH, UH, A LITTLE VISIT TO OUR FRIEND THE GOOGLE, UH, AND YOU CAN SEE STORIES, UH, DATING BACK ALMOST NOW, A YEAR AND A HALF, ABOUT, UH, THIS INCREASE IN AUTO THEFT, UH, ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SO, UM, WHICH IS WHAT, UH, THE PART ONE CRIME DATA IS TELLING US NOW, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, IS ALWAYS GOOD TO KNOW IS HOW DO YOU RELATE TO OTHERS? AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA IN AND OF ITSELF, UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A COMPARISON, IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GOOD.
IS IT BAD? IS IT NEUTRAL? IS IT INDIFFERENT? SO THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT FROM OUR,
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UH, NEIGHBORING PARTNER OR FROM OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES.UH, AND WE ASKED THEM FOR, UH, THIS DATA, JUST LIKE WE'VE PRESENTED IT TO YOU.
UH, AND THIS IS A REFLECTION OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE, THAT WE RECEIVED.
UH, I THINK WHAT IS OF NOTE, UH, EVERY DEPARTMENT, UM, THAT WE TALK TO INCREASED THEIR PERSONNEL, EVERY ONE OF THEM.
UM, BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS HOW DID IT RELATE TO POPULATION GROWTH? AND HOW DID IT RELATE TO, UH, TO CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, UH, DURING THAT TIMEFRAME? YES.
BRIAN, IS THIS FOR THE SAME TIME PERIOD? YES.
THE METRIC HERE IS FOR 2013 TO 2022.
UH, THERE IS ONE EXCEPTION TO THAT, AND THAT IS THE CITY OF KETTERING.
THEIR DATA ONLY WENT BACK TO 2014.
THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GIVE US IN THE TIMEFRAME, UH, THAT WE HAD REQUESTED IT.
SO, UH, THEIRS IS A SHORTER CYCLE BY, UH, BY ABOUT A YEAR.
BUT, UH, THE REST OF THESE ARE, ARE FULL TENURE YEAR CYCLES.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, WE GREW THE MOST, UM, WE ADDED, AGAIN, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, UH, AND, UH, OUR PART ONE CRIMES ARE DOWN, UH, RELATIVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, RELATIVE TO, TO WHERE WE STARTED MEASURING.
BUT THEN AGAIN, SO ARE EVERYONE ELSE'S? UH, THE ONLY EXCEPTION BEING TIP CITY, SEEING THE INCREASE IN CRIME, AND THEN VANDALIA AND ZINA ALSO SEEING SLIGHT DECREASES IN POPULATION.
SO, UH, THE TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, YES, MA'AM, WHAT'S INCLUDED UNDER TRAFFIC? SO TRAFFIC WOULD BE, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, IT'S TRAFFIC STOPS, CORRECT? IS THAT THE, THE METRIC THAT WE USED? SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER OR NOT YOU WERE WRITTEN A WARNING OR WHETHER OR NOT YOU WERE WRITTEN A, A CITATION OR WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS COUNTED AS A, A MOTORIST DESIST, UM, THE DATA IS, IS TRAFFIC STOPS.
SO WHY IS IT DOWN? UH, THERE COULD BE LOTS OF REASONS FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UH, FOR THAT PARTICULAR METRIC.
I'D NOTE THAT IT'S DOWN ACROSS THE BOARD.
UH, SO, UH, DECREASED TRAFFIC STOPS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, SPECIFIC TO OUR ORGANIZATION.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE THAT, UM, WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, WE'RE ENGAGED IN OTHER ACTIVITY, RIGHT? SO CORRESPONDINGLY PART ONE CRIME IS DOWN, UM, AS WELL BY 40%.
SO, UM, IT COULD BE THAT WE ARE NOT, UM, MAKING STOPS BECAUSE WE'RE CONDUCTING OTHER BEHAVIORS THAT HELP DETER CRIME.
AND, AND I WOULD NOT WANT TO STOP DISCONTINUE THOSE STOPS, BUT I, AND MANY OTHER RESIDENTS HAVE SAID, FIBERS HERE ARE CRAZY
I MEAN, THE TOTAL DISREGARD FOR STOP SIGNS FOR, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN PASSED IN THE TURNING LANE.
I JUST, ALL KINDS OF CRAZY STUFF.
SO IF WE WERE TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HELP ADDRESS THOSE PROBLEMS, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THAT, IMPROVE THAT NUMBER, UH, WHY WOULD WE NOT DO THAT? WELL, I THINK THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO ABOUT ADDRESSING IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, IF WE'RE GOING TO TRA UH, DISCUSS TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME POLICY OPTIONS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO EXPLORE BEFORE WE SIMPLY MOVE TO THE, WE NEED TO HIRE MORE PERSONNEL.
AGAIN, YOU'LL NOTE THAT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HAVE HIRED AS A PERCENTAGE MORE PERSONNEL THAN WE'VE HIRED, AND YET THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT SHOWING ANY INCREASES IN THEIR STATISTICAL RESPONSE TO TRAFFIC.
UH, SO I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT THE SIMPLE ANSWER OR THE SIMPLE ANSWER AND SOLUTION ARE HIRE MORE PEOPLE TO AFFECT MORE TRAFFIC STOPS IT.
WHEN WE DO THE TARGETED ENFORCEMENT AT MARY LEE WAY, IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS WHAT 75% OF THE PROBLEM WAS IN BLOCKING THE INTERSECTIONS AND, AND THE CONGESTION.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF INCREASING PERSONNEL WITH AN EMPHASIS ON, ON TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS, SIMPLY BECAUSE I'M FEAR FOR MY LIFE WHEN I'M ON THE ROAD, YOU KNOW? WELL, UH, AND AGAIN, IF THE DESIRE FOR FROM CITY COUNCIL IS FOR THERE TO BE, UM, A MORE ENGAGED TRAFFIC, UH, COMPONENT OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT FROM A STAFFING POSITION.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE VARIOUS POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE THINK MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT COUNCIL'S, UH, INITIATIVES OR GOALS ARE.
AND IF THEY YIELD THE RESULTS THAT COUNCIL WANTS, THEN WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT IN, IN, UH, AN EFFECTIVE MANNER.
ONE OF THOSE STRATEGIES MIGHT BE AT SOME POINT IN TIME TO BRING ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL ON BOARD.
BUT AGAIN, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE SEEING, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S AN INSTANT CORRELATION BETWEEN MORE OFFICERS
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EQUALS MORE TRAFFIC STOPS.UH, UH, WELL, IT, IT'S FROM, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT TELLS ME.
THAT IF WE DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT THE ENFORCEMENT OF, OF TYPE ONE CRIMES CLASS, WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED, UH, UH, CRIMES, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC.
AND, AND WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR THAT IN THE, UH, IN THE, IN THE FALL BUDGET DISCUSSIONS AND MANPOWER DISCUSSIONS.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S PRETTY WELL FELT, NOT JUST ON THIS DIOCESE, BUT ACROSS THE CITY THAT WE NEED BETTER TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.
AND, UH, THAT'S COUNSEL'S PREROGATIVE.
YES, I, I'M SIMPLY HERE TO ADVISE YOU ON WHAT THE INFORMATION IS TELLING ME AND OFFER YOU THE ADVICE THAT I THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
BUT AGAIN, AS I'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE, UH, I'M PAID TO OFFER YOU THE ADVICE, YOU ARE NOT PAID TO FOLLOW IT.
SO, UM, THAT IS THE SUMMARY OF THE INFORMATION AS IT RELATES TO THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE DIVISIONS, UH, THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE DIVISIONS AROUND US.
UM, AND THEN, UH, I WANT TO DIAL IN ON, UM, A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE THIRD LARGEST, UH, COMMUNITY IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
WE ARE THE SECOND LARGEST SUBURB IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY TO, UH, THE CITY OF DAYTON.
AND, UH, ONE OR THE OTHER ONE IS KETTERING.
AND SO I WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR JUST A BRIEF MOMENT, BECAUSE YOU'LL NOTE THAT KETTERING IS ALSO A COMMUNITY TO THE LEFT ON THE CHARTS THAT WE SHOWED EARLIER REGARDING PAY AND LEAVE.
AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU, UH, SOME METRICS FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT HEAR AND SEE ARE THE WAY THAT THEY ARE.
AND SO, AGAIN, YOU'VE SEEN THE METRICS UP AT THE TOP WITH THE ARROWS.
SO AGAIN, BOTH CITIES, POPULATIONS GREW.
UH, PERSONNEL INCREASED OURS 10%.
UH, TRAFFIC IS DOWN FOR BOTH COMMUNITIES.
UH, AND, UH, PART ONE CRIME IS ALSO DOWN FOR BOTH COMMUNITIES.
UH, AUTHORIZED SWORN, UH, PERSONNEL, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE HAVE 55, WHICH WE COVERED AT THE BEGINNING, AND KETTERING HAS 86.
AND THE REASON THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN BOTH THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PERSONNEL ON DUTY, AND THAT THERE'S A REASON FOR THE PAY IN, IN, UH, THE PAY STRUCTURE, UH, IS WHAT IS IN BETWEEN THE BOTTOM ROW AND THE GREEN ARROWS.
THE INCOME TAX, 1% INCOME TAX IN HUBER HEIGHTS GENERATES $11 MILLION, BUT IN KETTERING, IT GENERATES 23 MILLION.
THE TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE OF ALL THE PROPERTY IN HUBER HEIGHTS IS $755 MILLION.
WHEREAS IN KETTERING, IT'S 1.3 BILLION.
MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS TO OUR FAVOR.
BUT YOU'LL ALSO NOTE THAT THE VALUE, UH, FOR A HOME IS HIGHER IN KETTERING, THEY HAVE MORE RESOURCES THAN WE DO.
AND SO BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE RESOURCES THAN WE DO WHEN IT COMES TO FINANCIAL CAPABILITIES, THAT MEANS THEY ALSO HAVE AN ABILITY TO SPEND THOSE FINANCIAL RESOURCES IN A MORE, UH, UH, I'LL CALL IT ROBUST WAY.
BUT I WOULD NOTE THAT THEY HAVE THOSE RESOURCES, THEY HAVE THAT PERSONNEL, AND I BELIEVE GEOGRAPHICALLY, UH, THEY ARE A SMALLER COMMUNITY THAN WE ARE, TRAFFIC IS DOWN BY 31%, AND THEIR PART ONE CRIME IS ONLY DOWN BY 22%
SO, UH, AGAIN, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT THE DATA SIMPLY SAYS MORE, MORE OFFICERS EQUALS MORE TRAFFIC STOPS.
BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS WHAT THE DATA'S TELLING ME IS THAT WE PROVIDE THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE MIAMI VALLEY.
SO THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE ASKED TO PUT TOGETHER.
UM, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, UH, THIS WAS A GROUP EFFORT, UH, AND MY JOB WAS TO PROVIDE YOU A SUMMARY OF WHAT THAT DATA IS.
UH, BUT, UH, I'M SURE THAT SEVERAL OF YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOME MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT THE DATA CONSTRUCTION LOOKS LIKE.
SO, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO TRY AND ADDRESS THOSE THROUGH THE CHIEF AND THEN THROUGH, UH, JEFFREY, UH, ED.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, BRIAN, UH, CHIEF OFFICERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UH, UM, THAT'S INCREDIBLE DATA.
AND BRIAN, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.
WE DO PROVIDE, UH, BASED ON, UH, THAT DATA, THE MOST EFFICIENT LAW ENFORCEMENT IN MIAMI VALLEY.
I, I MEAN, WITH WHAT THE COMPARABLES ARE, AND IT'S A TESTAMENT TO WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S BEEN DOING FOR YEARS.
AND, YOU KNOW, OVER A DECADE, UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE DA.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS, UH, THAT COUNCILWOMAN BURGE MAINE, UM, I THINK WAS REALLY ON POINT.
AND I THINK, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WE CAN LOOK AT IS, UH, WITH ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS WILL BE THAT TARGETED, UM, APPROACH.
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EVERYTHING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES, UH, IS TARGET.UM, YOU USE YOUR RESOURCES, YOU ALLOCATE THEM, YOU PUT 'EM IN SPECIFIC SPOTS AT SPECIFIC TIMES, AND I'VE SEEN THAT REPEATEDLY OVER THE YEARS.
SO, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.
UH, MAYOR, I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE 18 MONTHS AGO OR SO ABOUT THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS, UH, TWO OR THREE, UH, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES WE WERE HEARING ABOUT.
AND I MEAN, THE NUMBERS ARE DEFINITELY ONE AREA, UM, BUT ALSO SOMETIMES THE SOCIAL MEDIA, UH, AND AS POLITICAL OFFICIALS, UH, WE DO GET INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK FOR WHAT THE, UH, RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY THINK.
SOMETIMES THE NUMBERS DON'T ALWAYS, UH, COINCIDE WITH, UH, WHAT THE RESIDENTS THINK.
BUT DO I REMEMBER CORRECTLY YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS? YES, WE ACTUALLY, WE HAD A, UM, WE HAD A TOWN HALL, UH, THAT THE, THE CHIEF SPOKE AT AND PRESENTED, UH, DIFFERENT KIND OF DATA REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD NEED TO ADD, UH, A TARGETED ENFORCEMENT AREA OR A TARGETED ENFORCEMENT TEAM OR A TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT, WHICH WOULD BE TARGETED ENFORCEMENT OF TRAFFIC ISSUES.
UM, I MEAN, AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, IT WASN'T THE CHIEF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HIRE PEOPLE SPECIFICALLY FOR A TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT.
I THINK THE CONVERSATION WENT MORE TOWARD THE AREA OF, UH, THERE WAS SOME OTHER POSITIONS HE FELT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO FILL WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, AND THAT MIGHT FREE UP, UH, SOME OFFICERS TO THEN REARRANGE OR, OR MAKE SOME CHANGES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
BUT WE, BUT WE DID HAVE THAT, UM, TOWN HALL, WE INVITED RESIDENTS TO COME AND, AND THE CHIEF SPOKE AT THAT.
UH, TO MY MEMORY, MY RECOLLECTION, IT JUST WASN'T THE RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CHIEF, UM, AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME TO HIRE SPECIFIC PEOPLE FOR A TARGETED TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT.
UH, UM, CHIEF, IT WAS, THAT IS MY RECOLLECTION, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THINK AT, AT THAT TIME, WE DEALT MORE WITH, UM, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, QUALITY OF LIFE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE, UH, THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT OUT HERE THAN JUST TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, UH, YOU GUYS DO HERE.
AND I HEAR TOO, UH, A LOT ABOUT, UH, TRAFFIC AND THE WAY PEOPLE DRIVE AND STOPLIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BUT WE ALSO GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS TOO, ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE TYPE ISSUES TOO.
UM, SO OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS UNIT CAN TARGET THOSE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES.
WE ASK OUR OFFICERS ON THE STREET ASSIGNED TO BEATS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THE SECTIONS OF TOWN AND HOW THEY'RE DIVIDED UP.
AND WHEN CALLS FOR SERVICE ALLOW THOSE OFFICERS TO FOCUS ON THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY'RE PATROLLING TO ALSO, UH, MONITOR QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES AND TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.
SO ALTHOUGH THE BEAT CARS AREN'T ABLE TO TARGET THOSE AREAS AS MUCH, UH, WE DO PUT OUT EXTRA PATROL, UM, FOR AREAS OF THE CITY THAT, THAT WE RECEIVE COMPLAINTS ON, UH, TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AND QUALITY OF LIFE PROBLEMS. AND THOSE BEAT OFFICERS SEE THAT ON THE PORTAL.
THEY LOOK AT IT, AND IF THEY HAVE TIME AND OF CALLS FOR SERVICE PERMIT, THEN THEY ADDRESS THOSE.
IF WE SEE IT'S A SITUATION FOR AN EXAMPLE, CARRIAGE TRAILS, UH, WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE SPEEDING AND TAKING THE ROUNDABOUTS UP THERE AT A FAST RATE OF SPEED.
WE PUT TOGETHER A TARGET ENFORCEMENT EFFORT FOR A COUPLE WEEKS WHERE WE ACTUALLY PULLED OFFICERS OFF OF SHIFTS AND TARGETED CERTAIN AREAS AND SATURATED THAT AREA.
WE CAN'T DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
WE PUT PERMANENT SPEED SIGNS UP THERE, BUT WE TARGETED IT WITH THE HOPE THAT, UH, WE'RE CHANGING THE, THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO CHANGE THE WAY PEOPLE THINK.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA STOP PEOPLE FROM SPEEDING.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA STOP, STOP PEOPLE FROM DRIVING NORTH ON 2 0 2.
AND WHEN THE LANES GO INTO TWO LANES, EVERYBODY THINKS THEY HAVE TO BEAT THE OTHER CAR AFTER WHERE IT MERGES.
OKAY? IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
UM, BUT OUR, OUR IDEA IS TO JUST GET PEOPLE TO START THINKING ABOUT THE WAY THEY DRIVE, AND MAYBE SOME PEOPLE WILL CHANGE, UM, THE WAY THEY, THE WAY THEY THINK, AND THE WAY THEY, UH, UH, FEEL ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THEY DRIVE.
UM, AND ALL WE CAN DO IS, UH, UTILIZE WHAT WE HAVE.
AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF DOING THAT.
UH, WITH, WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE I GOT HIRED HERE IN 1992.
WE'VE, WE HAD SPEED COMPLAINTS, THEN WE HAVE 'EM NOW, 2 0 1 AND TWO AND TWO HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UH, COMPLAINTS, UH, FOR EXCESSIVE SPEED SINCE I WAS ON THE ROAD IN THE NINETIES.
SO, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO ADDRESS IT IN THAT, IN THAT FASHION.
UM, SO YEAH, I REMEMBER YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT.
I DIDN'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS, UM, BUT I KNOW, UH, NOTHING REALLY CAME OUT OF IT AS FAR AS, UM, ADDING ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS.
UM, BUT, UH, CHIEF IN MY TIME AND TRAINING AND TALKING TO POLICE OFFICERS, UM, SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, UH, OVER TIME IS, YOU KNOW, I CAN,
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UH, COUNSEL CAN BUDGET FOR MORE BULLETS, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE AN IMPACT, UM, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, CRIME RATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE'LL SEE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, THE SPEEDING.BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD REPEATEDLY BY POLICE OFFICERS THAT IF YOU ADD MORE PERSONNEL, IT, UH, THE TREND AND STATISTICS DEFINITELY SHOW AN IMPACT FOR THE POSITIVE.
IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET OVER THAT HILL, BUT THE RATES GO DOWN WHERE IT'S TARGETED.
IS THAT STILL TRUE? THE, THE MORE, UH, POLICE OFFICERS WE HAVE, THE, UH, THE LOWER THE RATES GO FOR CRIME, WELL, EVERY SHIFT HAS UH, MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS.
SO OUR AFTERNOON SHIFT HAS A MINIMUM STAFFING OF FIVE AND ONE THAT'D BE FIVE OFFICERS AND A SERGEANT SUPERVISOR.
OUR DAY SHIFT, FOUR AND ONE AND OUR MIDNIGHT SHIFT DURING THE WEEK FIVE AND OR FOUR, AND ONE ON THE WEEKENDS, FIVE AND ONE.
SO IF YOU HAVE, WE DON'T OPERATE UNDER THAT.
SO IF, IF TWO PEOPLE TAKE OFF ON VACATION AND IF SOMEBODY CALLS IN SICK AND WE DROP BELOW THAT MINIMUM STAFFING LEVEL, UH, WE'RE WORKING SOMEBODY ON OVERTIME TO COVER THAT SO WE DON'T DROP BELOW THAT.
IF WE HAD MORE OFFICERS ON SHIFT AND WE WERE TWO, THREE OFFICERS OVER, UH, MINIMUM STAFFING, DOES THAT PERMIT US TO DO EXTRA THINGS? SURE, IT DOES.
IT ALLOWS US TO GO, UH, LOOK FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE WARRANTS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND CHECK THE RESIDENCE FOR WARRANTS.
IT, IT ALLOWS US TO DO EXTRA, UM, PATROL, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, QUALITY OF LIFE, LIKE I TALKED ABOUT, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR OFFICERS TO TAKE MORE TIME OFF.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE, THEN OFFICERS THINK, WELL, NOW A LOT OF OFFICERS BELIEVE WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE NOW WE CAN TAKE MORE TIME OFF BECAUSE I'VE BEEN AN OFFICER FOR 36 YEARS AND I CAN TELL YOU ALL WE THINK ABOUT IS MINIMUM STAFFING.
SO YOU WALK INTO ROLL CALL AND YOU THINK, OKAY, WE GOTTA BE AT FIVE AND ONE.
WE GOT SEVEN PEOPLE SITTING IN HERE, BUT I SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE OFF.
AND THAT'S NOT THE MENTALITY I WANT AT OUR POLICE DIVISION.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THAT MENTALITY WHERE OFFICERS WALK INTO ROLL CALL AND THEY SEE WE HAVE TWO OR THREE EXTRA PEOPLE AND THEIR MINDSET IS, WELL, I WANT TAKE OFF TODAY THEN, BECAUSE ALL WE NEED IS FIVE AND ONE.
WE'VE DETERMINED THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO PUT AN OFFICER IN A SECTION OF THE CITY, BUT THAT'S NOT ALL WE NEED IF WE WANT TO DO PROACTIVE PATROL.
IT'S, YES, MORE PEOPLE PUTS MORE PEOPLE ON A SHIFT, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOTTA CHANGE THAT MENTALITY OF THE OFFICER'S THINKING OF THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT NOW MORE PEOPLE CAN TAKE OFF TODAY.
IS THERE NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL YEAH, GO AHEAD.
UM, SO TAKING, WHEN YOU SAY TAKING OFF, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? A VACATION DAY? YEAH, SO WE ALLOWED, SO, SO WITH, WE ALLOWED TWO PEOPLE OFF, OFF, SO WITH THE SHIP? YES.
SO WITH THE VACATION DAY, THAT'S, UH, THE DAY THE VACATION ACCRUED FOR THE POLICE OFFICER THAT THEY'VE BUILT UP OVER TIME AND THEY CAN TAKE VACATION COMP AND PERSONAL LEAVE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE ALREADY EARNED BASED ON THEIR CONTRACT? YES.
SO, UH, I MEAN, YEAH, OUR EMPLOYEES TAKE TIME OFF, BUT THAT'S THEIR TIME.
THAT'S THE TIME THAT THEY'RE, AND WE ARE VERY, UH, WE'RE VERY, BUT YOU DID, BUT YOU DID SAY MORE POLICE OFFICERS ON, MORE POLICE OFFICERS ON PATROL LOWERS THE CRIME RATE.
SO WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS HOW, AND THOSE ARE GREAT NUMBERS AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
UH, THEY ARE FANTASTIC AND I THANK EVERYBODY FOR THAT.
AND I REALLY MEAN IT WITHOUT A DOUBT.
I THINK WE HAVE THE POLICE, THE BEST POLICE FORCE IN THE COUNTRY AND I BELIEVE THAT, I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH BETTER THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE IF WE HIRE A COUPLE ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE, TWO OR THREE, BUT WE'VE GOT THE NUMBERS GOING IN THE RIGHT WAY.
WE'RE EXTREMELY EFFICIENT, AS YOU CAN TELL.
AND AS YOU PRESENT IT, I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH BETTER THE CRIME RATE WILL GO DOWN IF WE ADD ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M THINKING ABOUT.
BUT COUNCILMAN BURGE, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE UH, I'M IN A COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH YOU AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
YEAH, SO WHEN WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION THOUGH, WE DID HIRE MORE OVERALL POLICE STAFF, CORRECT.
DO WE HAVE SOME GRANT MONEY THINGS COMING TOO AS WELL? DIDN'T WE ADD SOME POSITIONS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE DIRECTLY OFFICERS.
WELL, WE ADDED AN, AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT THAT HANDLES TRAINING.
THAT'S, AND THEN WE ADDED A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER THAT BROUGHT US FROM 54 TO 55.
SO HOLD ON, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO DON, THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
I WANNA GO BACK TO YOUR SLIDE WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, INFORMATION SUMMARY, 2013, 2022 CALLS FOR SERVICE UP 3%.
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CAN YOU GO INTO MORE DETAIL? IS IT REALLY UP 3% FOR NOTHING BUT NUISANCE CALLS? UM, THERE'S GOING TO, THERE'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THAT ALL 3% ARE REPRESENTATIVE JUST NUISANCE CALLS, NO, THAT WOULDN'T BE AN ACCURATE STATEMENT.BUT TO SAY THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE CALLING INTO THE COMMUNICATION CENTER WITH A NUMBER OF CALLS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY LAW ENFORCEMENT RELATED OR WOULD BE TRADITIONALLY CONSIDERED LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, RELATED, WOULD BE A MORE ACCURATE STATEMENT.
SO, UM, A LOT OF THE CALLS, UM, THAT WERE FIELDING, LIKE I SAID, SO SOME OF THOSE CALLS, UM, AND AGAIN, FOR THE PURPOSES OF, OF THIS, THIS PRESENTATION, UM, SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE HYPERBOLE EXAMPLES, BUT SO ARE WE SEEING SOME, YOU KNOW, LEGITIMATE AND INCREASE IN LEGITIMATE CALLS INTO THE DISPATCH CENTER? YES, OF COURSE WE ARE.
BUT, BUT WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN CALLS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT FUNCTIONS AS WELL.
AND ON CALLS FOR SERVICES, IS THAT BROKEN OUT? UH, YOU HAVE IT UNDER HUBER HEIGHTS, UM, REALIZING THAT DISPATCH, UM, COVERS MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS.
IS CALLS FOR SERVICE, IS THAT ONLY HUBER HEIGHTS CALLS FOR SERVICE OR IS SO, YEAH, SO I'M, I'M SORRY.
SO CHIEF THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE AND WERE THOSE COLLECTIVE FOR, UM, YEAH, THEY'RE ALL SEPARATED OUT FROM JURISDICTION.
WHICH LEADS MY, MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, UH, DO YOU HAVE THE METRICS ON THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS? ARE THERE CALLS FOR SERVICE UP BY A SIMILAR PERCENTAGE? I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION HERE, NO.
UH, CHIEF, IF, IF YOU WOULD, UH, FOR THOSE LISTENING ON THOSE WATCHING, UH, WOULD YOU JUST GIVE A, UH, A FEW EXAMPLES OF QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES THAT THE OFFICERS WOULD BE ATTENDING TO? YEAH, PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE HAVE HERE IS, UH, THE NEIGHBOR'S DOG BARKING.
UM, IT SEEMS TO BE THE THING THAT ANNOYS PEOPLE THE MOST.
THEY'RE TRYING TO SLEEP AT NIGHT, DOG BARKING.
WE GET OUT THERE, WE HAVE AN OFFICER SIT IN A CAR, THEY LISTEN, AND THE DOG'S NOT BARKING.
SO, UM, THAT'S ONE QUALITY OF LIFE.
ANOTHER QUALITY OF LIFE IS, IS, UH, THE LEASH LAW.
AND WHERE SOME PEOPLE, UM, UH, THEIR DOGS NOT, NOT BECAUSE THEY LET THEIR DOG OUT, BUT THEIR DOGS GET OUT OF THE HOUSE AND THEY RUN LOOSE.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS, NOT ONLY CAN THEY BE CHARGED WITH OUR LEASH LAW VIOLATION OR OUR EXCESSIVE BARKING TOO, IT'S ALSO A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE.
'CAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOTTA CONCERN YOURSELF OF BEING SAFE IN YOUR OWN YARD AND IN YOUR OWN HOME.
AND THEN ANOTHER, UH, QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE BEFORE, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UH, WHEN IT WAS A, A PROBLEM, IT HASN'T BEEN AS MUCH AS LOUD MUSIC, LOUD NOISES, NEIGHBORS BEING LOUD, PARTYING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
ALL JUST QUALITY OF LIFE TYPE ISSUES THAT WE ADDRESS ON A DAILY BASIS.
DOOR TO DOOR, SOLICITATION, UH, UH, CONSTRUCTION NOISE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
DOES IT ALSO QUALIFY UNDER THOSE QUALITY ISSUES? I, I THOUGHT THEY JUST SIMPLY CALLED THEIR COUNCIL PEOPLE FOR THAT.
UM, CHIEF, I READ SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, IN REGARD TO THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT BEING DOWN, AND THIS WAS AN AGGREGATE, UM, IT WAS THROUGHOUT THE MIDWEST.
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ADVANCES IN TECHNOLOGY HAVE DRIVEN DOWN TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.
HAVE, HAVE YOU SEEN THAT TO BE TRUE IN HUBER HEIGHTS? I NOTE THE NEW, UH, CAMERAS THAT ARE INSTALLED, UH, THE LICENSE PLATE READING SYSTEMS AND, UH, IS THE CAM THE CAMERA SYSTEMS WE HAVE AREN'T FOR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.
IT'S MORE FOR, UM, WE CAN IDENTIFY A STOLEN VEHICLE WHEN IT COMES AND GOES, UH, FROM THE, UH, CITY.
IF, IF WE HAVE A ROBBERY OR A BURGLARY OCCUR AND WE HAVE A TYPE OF VEHICLE, A RED VEHICLE LEFT THE SCENE, WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK FOR EVERY RED VEHICLE DURING A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD ACROSS BY THE PATH OF THAT CAMERA.
THAT'S USED MORE FOR AN INVESTIGATIVE, IT'S AN INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSE MORE THAN ANYTHING.
UM, THAT THE TECHNOLOGY HAS DRIVEN DOWN THE NEED FOR, UH, PULLOVER, UM, CHECK YOUR REGISTRATION.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT HAD ANY IMPACT ON YOUR NUMBERS.
AND I THINK WHAT COUNCILMAN BERG IS REFERRING TO, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WOULD MIND SEEING THAT ARROW POINTING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION IF, IF WE WERE HAVING MORE TRAFFIC IN ENFORCEMENT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE A COMMON COMPLAINT THAT WE AS A COUNCIL RECEIVE, UH, UH, OF COURSE SOCIAL MEDIA.
BUT BEYOND SOCIAL MEDIA, JUST THE, THE TEXTS AND THE PHONE CALLS AND THE EMAILS REGARDING THE INTERSECTION AT MY STREET AND SOMEBODY ELSE'S STREET, SO.
WELL, THANK YOU, CHIEF, I APPRECIATE
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THAT.UM, IF YOU HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE REPORTING FOR DUTY AND YOU SAY THAT THEY THINK, OH, OKAY, I CAN TAKE OFF, UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR THERE TO BE AN UNDERSTANDING ESTABLISHED THAT IF WE HAVE MORE THAN THE MINIMUM STAFF HERE, THAT THEY CAN GO OUT, THEY WOULD BE ASSIGNED A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES? WE DO HAVE, UH, WE DO HAVE POLICY IN PLACE RIGHT NOW THAT IF AN OFFICER WANTS TO TAKE, UM, REQUESTED LEAVE, WHETHER IT BE COMP, VACATION, PERSONAL LEAVE, THEY HAVE TO GIVE 48 HOURS NOTICE SO AN OFFICER CAN'T, CAN COME INTO ROLL CALL, SEE, WE GOT TOO MANY PEOPLE, OR WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THEY JUST WANNA LEAVE AND TAKE TIME OFF.
SO WE DO HAVE POLICY IN PLACE THAT PREVENTS THAT FROM OCCURRING WHEN A SERGEANT OR A O I C HAS, UM, THEIR BEATS COVERED AND THEY HAVE, LET'S SAY, TWO COVER CARS, THEN IT'S THE, UM, IT'S, IT'S ON THE SERGEANT OR THE O I C TO UTILIZE THOSE TWO COVER CARS IN THE WAY THEY SEE FIT.
AND THAT'S BASED ON PROBLEMS THEY'RE HAVING, DEPENDENT ON THEIR SHIFT, WHETHER IT BE DAY SHIFT, AFTERNOON SHIFT, MIDNIGHT SHIFT.
THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS, DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE THEY HAVE CONCERNS THAT SUPERVISOR CAN PUT THOSE PEOPLE, THOSE EXTRA, UH, COVER CARS IN POSITIONS EVEN THEY'VE DOUBLED UP.
SOME OF THE MIDNIGHT SHIFT OFFICERS HAVE DOUBLED UP AND, UH, AND HIT SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS WE'VE GOTTEN ON DRUG DRUG ACTIVITY AND NARCOTIC SALES, AND THEY'VE DOUBLED UP INTO A TWO MAN CAR AND, UH, WENT OUT AND ADDRESSED THOSE TOO.
SO THAT HAS HAPPENED ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU FOR IT NOW 'CAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE IT AVAILABLE, BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, WHEN WE START TALKING STABBING AND STUFF IN THE FUTURE, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME, UH, SOME METRICS ON, UH, TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS ON, ON THE TRENDS OVER THE YEARS? UH, BECAUSE I'M A FIRM BELIEVER, IF YOU HIT SOMEBODY IN THE POCKETBOOK, THEY'RE GONNA WAKE UP AND, AND MAYBE BE A LITTLE LESS, UH, AGGRESSIVE IN THE FUTURE IN THEIR DRIVING.
YEAH, WE DO A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT, UM, A CRASH, UH, SUMMARY AT THE END OF EVERY YEAR, THE LIEUTENANT OVER PATROL DOES THAT.
AND EVERY YEAR, EVEN WHEN I WAS LIEUTENANT AND I DID IT, THE MAIN CAUSATIVE FACTOR FOR MOSTLY ACCIDENTS WAS A ASSURE CLEAR, JUST A SHORT, CLEAR DISTANCE AHEAD WHERE PEOPLE WOULD RUN INTO THE BACK OF SOMEBODY ELSE.
THAT WAS ALWAYS THE LEADING CAUSE OF AN ACCIDENT.
AND STILL IS USUALLY THE LEADING CAUSE.
BUT I, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN ESPECIALLY SIGN VIOLATIONS, SPEEDING, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I MEAN, SPEEDING ISN'T LIMITED TO CARRIAGE TRAILS.
YOU GO DOWN FISHBURG, YOU GET DOWN POW, YOU GO DOWN ANY OF THE STRAIGHTAWAY CHAMBERSBURG.
AND, AND I THINK THAT, UM, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE VERY AWARE OF THAT, UM, BUT I THINK THERE, CITIZENS KEEP YELLING, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT? WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEFORE SOMEBODY GETS KILLED, YOU KNOW? MR. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, FIRST OFF, I WANNA SAY I I, I WANT TO APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION THAT WAS SUPPLIED HERE TONIGHT.
UM, I WAS ONE OF THE THREE COUNCILS MEMBERS THAT ASKED FOR THIS TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
NOT ONLY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PERSONALLY AFFECTED IN THE PAST 10 YEARS, AND I HAD MY PERSONAL CAR BROKE INTO, BUT THEN JUST RECENTLY IN FRONT OF MY DAUGHTER'S PLACE OFF OF TROY PIKE, HER BEST FRIEND'S CAR WAS LITERALLY STOLEN, DUMPED IN DAYTON.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE INCREASE OF, OF COMMUNICATION THAT WE'VE HAD ON SOCIAL MEDIA FOLKS AT KROGER'S, WALMART STOPPING US AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING ABOUT THE SPEEDING, YOU KNOW, CARS ARE BEING BROKEN INTO SHATTERED WINDOWS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR, OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS DOING A, YOU KNOW, HEY, IS YOUR CAR LOCKED? UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK AT THAT POINT IN TIME WE'RE PUTTING OUT MESSAGES TO RESIDENTS SAYING, HEY, IS YOUR CAR LOCKED? THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY A RED FLAG.
WE GOT A PROBLEM IN OUR COMMUNITY EITHER, IN MY OPINION, WE NEED TO SOLVE IT BY MORE PERSONNEL, A CHANGE OF POLICY AND PROCEDURES, OR WE NEED TO TAKE AN OVERALL ALL LOOK, ARE WE EMPOWERING OUR OFFICERS? UM, NOW I, I ASKED THESE NEXT COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT, AND I APOLOGIZE IF, UH, IT SEEMS ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT.
UM, CHIEF, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH OVERTIME THAT WE, UH, I'M SORRY, YOUR DEPARTMENT SPENT, UH, LAST YEAR ALONE? UH, NO, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME HERE.
WOULD IT BE YOUR OPINION, NOT HAVING THAT INFORMATION, BUT HAVING SEEN THOSE NUMBERS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, WOULD IT BE YOUR OPINION THAT IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT OVERTIME NUMBER AND EQUATE THAT INTO ADDITIONAL FULL-TIME OFFICERS, THAT THAT WOULD, UH, ALLEVIATE THAT? WELL, THAT WOULD DEPEND BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT FORMS OF OVERTIME.
SO COURT IS ONE AREA OF OVERTIME.
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UM, X-RAY EVENTS, UH, CITY EVENTS SUCH AS THE FESTIVALS THAT WE HAVE, UM, IS ANOTHER ONE.THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER IS ANOTHER OVERTIME, UH, GENERATOR.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS SHIFT OVERTIME, AND THAT IS WHAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WHERE WE DROP BELOW MINIMUM STAFFING AND WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT.
SO WE NEED TO, SO WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, SOMEONE STAY OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS SHIFT AND SOMEBODY COME IN EARLY FROM THE, UH, FROM THE OTHER ONE FROM THE ONCOMING SHIFT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, THAT KIND OF LEADS ME INTO MY NEXT QUESTION.
WE, WE TALKED ABOUT OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE IN EVENTS WITHIN THE CITY, THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, THE EEL BERGER, UM, THE, UM, HIGH SCHOOL EVENTS, UH, FOOTBALL, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, CHIEF, CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT OUR RELATIONSHIP AND OUR COLLABORATION IS WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE? OUR RELATIONSHIP'S, GREAT.
SHERIFF STRIKE AND I HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP.
DO, DO, DOES MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF, DO THEY PATROL ACTIVELY IN HUBERT? UH, OR DO THEY COME IN HUBBERT WHEN THEY'RE CAUGHT UPON? CAN YOU KIND OF DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT? NO, THEY HAVE CONTRACT CARS IN, IN AREAS OF THE COUNTY WHERE THEY CONTRACT, SO THEY STAY IN THAT AREA.
OTHER THAN THAT, OUTSIDE THEIR CONTRACT AREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEIR PRIMARY DUTY IS, IS THE JAIL AND PAPER SERVICE, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S THE CONTRACT CARDS.
UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR WE, WE HAD A CONVERSATION, UH, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, UM, CHIEF LEY HAD HAD MENTIONED, UM, MENTAL AND PHYSICAL EXHAUSTION WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
OBVIOUSLY WITH THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, THE BODY CAMERAS, UH, JUST THE OVERALL EXERTION OF THE JOB ITSELF, THAT HAS CHANGED IN THE PAST 10 YEARS.
UM, DO YOU FEEL THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS STRUGGLING WITH THAT AND COULD GET BETTER? WHAT CAN THIS COUNCIL DO AS A POLICY, AS POLICYMAKERS TO HELP IMPROVE THAT? IF IT IS A PROBLEM? NOT AT ALL.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM AT ALL IN OUR AGENCY.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T REALLY COMPARE A POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, THEY, THEY'RE THERE FOR 24 STRAIGHT HOURS, AND IF THEY'RE GETTING CALLS THAT WHOLE ENTIRE 24 HOURS, THEY DON'T SLEEP FOR 24 HOURS.
UM, WITH, AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, AN OFFICER'S ON AN EIGHT HOUR SHIFT, UH, THEY MAY GET HELD OVER FOR IF THEY, IF WE'RE SHORT ON THE NEXT SHIFT, OR THEY MAY HAVE HAD TO COME IN FOUR HOURS EARLY IN THE PREVIOUS, SO THEY'RE GONNA WORK 12 HOURS.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S A VOLUNTARY, IT'S, IT'S A MANDATORY OVERTIME, MEANING WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN OR STAY OVER, BUT THEY VOL ASKED FOR ANY VOLUNTEERS TO, UM, TO COVER THAT OVERTIME.
90% OF THE TIME WE GET PEOPLE VOLUNTEERING.
IF NOT THE SUPERVISORS KEEP TRACK OF WHO'S WORKED MOST OF THE OVERTIME AND, YOU KNOW, YOUR TIME'S IN THE BARREL NOW, SO YOU'RE STAYING OVER FOUR HOURS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE, OUR OFFICERS DON'T HAVE THE, THEY'RE NOT IN A POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE TO WORK 24 STRAIGHT HOURS AND MAYBE GO WITHOUT ANY SLEEP.
SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN COMPARISON.
SO, NO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT, THAT ISSUE.
AND ALSO, UM, WE VERY RARELY, VERY RARELY DO WE ORDER PEOPLE TO WORK MANDATORY OVERTIME ON A DAY OFF.
THE ONLY TIME I RECALL RECENTLY WHERE IT'S HAPPENED IS WE'VE HAD TO WITH THE, UH, THE 4TH OF JULY FESTIVAL AND PARADE, BECAUSE IT'S ALL HANDS ON DECK FOR THAT DAY, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WORKING THE PARADE IN THE MORNING AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WORKING THE FESTIVAL AT NIGHT.
UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVEN'T HAD TO, WE ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR COVERAGE ON THE ROAD BY JUST HAVING PERSONNEL STAY OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS SHIFT OR COME IN EARLY ON THE NEXT MORNING.
AND THEN ALSO, WE DON'T MAKE IT MANDATORY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ANSWER YOUR PHONE EITHER.
SO A LOT OF OFFICERS, IF THEY'RE ON THERE THREE DAYS OFF AND THEY SEE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CALL AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THEIR PHONE EITHER, SO, AND I'M SURE THEY DON'T.
I DIDN'T WHEN I WAS IN THE NINETIES WORKING TOO, AND I DIDN'T WANNA WORK.
SO VERY RARELY DO WE HAVE TO ORDER PEOPLE TO WORK OVERTIME.
UM, SO IN, IN, IN, IN SOME OF MY READING AND, AND RESEARCH, UM, INTO THIS, UH, LEADING UP TO THIS, UH, CONVERSATION, UM, LOOKING AT THE, UH, I C M A, UH, CP S M, UM, PUBLICATIONS, UM, HOW IS THE RULE OF 60 APPLIED HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS? THE RULE 60? THE RULE OF 60.
UM, SO THE RULE OF 60, UH, WHICH IS APPLIED TO EVALUATE PATROL STAFFING, UM, THE RULE OF 60 MAINTAINS THAT 60% OF THE SWORN OFFICERS AND THE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO PATROL FUNCTION.
AND THE SECOND PART MAINTAINS THAT NO MORE THAN 60% OF THE PATROL TIME SHOULD BE SATURATED BY WORKLOAD DEMANDS FROM OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, THAT, THAT COMES STRAIGHT OUT OF THOSE, THOSE TWO, UM, HANDBOOKS, UH, THAT IS, THAT IS OVERSEEN.
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ASKING HOW IS THAT IMPLEMENTED OR IS IT IMPLEMENTED HERE IN HUMAN RIGHTS? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.I'D HAVE TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE EXPLAINING.
AND THEN LOOK AT, LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS.
AND MY FINAL QUESTION IS, WHO SETS THE MINIMUM STAFFING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE TONIGHT? UH, WELL, ALL THE COMMAND STAFF.
I MEAN, IT HAS, BACK AS FAR AS 92, WHEN I GOT HIRED, THERE WAS STAFFING LEVELS SET.
UM, AND, AND THEY'RE EVALUATED, UH, PERIODICALLY BASED ON CALLS FOR SERVICE.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UH, THE FIVE B, WHICH IS EVERYTHING NORTH OF, UH, 70 AND UH, WEST OF 2 0 1, HAS GOTTEN A LOT LARGER NOW THAN IT WAS WHEN I WAS ON THE ROAD IN THE NINETIES.
SO, UM, WE LOOK AT THAT TOO, UM, TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED, UH, WHEN I, WHEN I WAS ON PATROL IN, IN, IN THE NINETIES AND THERE WAS A FIVE CAR, WE WERE A COVER CAR, SO THERE WAS FOUR BEATS AND THE FIVE CAR WAS A COVER CAR.
NOW, WHEN WE HAVE FIVE BEATS ON AFTERNOON, THAT FIVE CAR IS THE ACTUAL FIVE BEAT, UH, WHICH IS NORTH OF 70, WEST OF TWO, OF 2 0 1.
AND THAT, THAT WASN'T, THAT'S HOW SOMETHING'S CHANGED FROM BACK IN THE NINETIES TO NOW.
'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT FIVE BEAT THEN.
YOU KNOW, THE THREE BEAT BACK WHEN I WAS ON THE ROAD WAS EVERYTHING NORTH OF CHAMBERSBURG AND WEST OF, UH, 2 0 1, AND THAT, THAT WAS THE THREE B.
AND THE THREE B WENT ALL THE WAY UP THERE.
WELL, NOW THAT THE POPULATION'S CHANGED UP THERE, WE'VE HAD TO CHANGE THAT.
SO, AND, AND THAT LEADS ME TO, TO ANOTHER QUESTION.
WHAT WAS, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE STAFFING LEVELS WAS WHEN IN, IN THE NINETIES? I MEAN, WHAT WAS THE AUTHORIZED STAFFING LEVELS? YEAH.
FOUR AND ONE ON AFTERNOONS AND FOUR AND ONE ON MIDNIGHTS.
AND, AND WITH YOUR COMMUNICATION HERE TONIGHT, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY OF WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW, THIS CITY HAS GROWN TREMENDOUSLY SINCE THAT TIME PERIOD.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST HOUSING.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL, UM, THE MILES OF STREETS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, UM, AND IT, THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATION, YOU KNOW, UH, THROUGH THIS, UH, REGION, UM, CRIME HAS INCREASED IN THIS REGION ALONE, NOT JUST WITH THE FACT THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE CARTELS LIKE TO HANG OUT OVER ON MILLER LANE AND THEN SATURATE US CAR, UH, YOU KNOW, AUTO THEFT, UM, AND, AND, AND OTHER CRIMES THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, UM, WE ARE ALL AWARE OF.
SO I GUESS THAT LEADS TO MY, MY MY POINT BLANK QUESTION, CHIEF, IS IT YOUR OPINION SITTING HERE TODAY THAT YOU DO NOT NEED ANY ADDITIONAL OFFICERS AT THIS TIME? SO LET ME EXPLAIN THE WAY IT WAS IN THE NINETIES, LIKE YOU SAID, IN THE WAY IT IS NOW.
SO ONE THING WE HAVE DONE IN THIS CITY THAT HAS HELPED A LOT IS WHEN I WAS ON THE ROAD, WE HAD A LOT OF BARS.
WE HAD A LOT OF BARS WHERE WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME.
SO THE NIGHT SHIFT WORKING NOW DOES NOT HAVE THE BAR CROWD THAT WE HAD BACK IN THE NINETIES.
SLAMMERS IS GONE, BREAKERS IS GONE.
YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE BARS THAT WERE THERE IN THE NINETIES WHERE WE SPENT A LOT OF OUR TIME ON MIDNIGHTS ARE NO LONGER THERE.
ARE THOSE THE WAR STORIES I HEAR ABOUT THE MOTORCYCLE FOLKS.
WE HAD A LOT OF BARS BACK THEN.
SO, YOU KNOW, DO THEY STILL GET THE DOMESTICS NOW? WE GOT IN THE NINETIES? SURE.
DO THEY STILL GET THE DISORDERLY DRUNK, INTOXICATED PEOPLE? WE GOT THE INSURED.
IF, IF WE WERE TO GET MORE PEOPLE TO WHAT WHATEVER YOU, YOU GUYS' INTENTIONS ARE FOR THEM, WHETHER IT BE TARGET ENFORCEMENT FOR TRAFFIC OR WHETHER IT BE ASSIGN SOMEBODY TO A TASK FORCE, A COUNTYWIDE TASK FORCE, OR WHETHER IT BE TO INCREASE STAFFING, MINIMUM STAFFING ON A SHIFT, WHATEVER YOUR DESIRE AS A COUNCIL WOULD BE, THEN, THEN YES, THEY WOULD BE PUT TO USE IN WHATEVER CAPACITY YOU WANT TO PUT TO USE.
BUT DO I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE JOB DONE WITH, WITH WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? UH, YEAH.
AND I THINK THE NUMBERS SHOW IT.
I THINK WE HAVE, AND I CAN SAY THIS, UM, WITH A GREAT DEAL OF CERTAINTY 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE, YOU KNOW, SO MANY YEARS, IS THAT WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE BEST POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE AREA MM-HMM.
AND WE'RE SOLVING, SO, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT VERY EXPERIENCED PEOPLE IN POSITIONS RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE SOLVING CRIMES.
UM, WE'VE GOT A, A ROAD PATROL THAT WHEN SOMETHING MAJOR HAPPENS, THEY ALL COME TOGETHER AND THEY WORK TOGETHER AND THEY GET THE JOB DONE.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M PROUD OF, I'M, I'M PROUD TO SAY I WORK HERE.
I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT I'VE WORKED HERE FOR SO MANY YEARS AND, AND WE'RE LIKE A FAMILY OVER THERE.
DO WE ALWAYS GET ALONG? NO, WE DON'T.
UM, I TELL PEOPLE WHEN THEY SAY, OH, YOU'RE THE CHIEF IN HUB, NEXT TIME I SEE AN OFFICER, THEY STOP ME.
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DROP YOUR NAME.AND I SAY, BE CAREFUL WHO YOU DROP MY NAME TO
SOME OF 'EM MIGHT BE BETTER THAN OTHERS, SO I MIGHT GET 'EM TO TAKE IT FASTER, BUT WE'RE, YEAH.
BUT WE'RE STILL LIKE A FAMILY AND WE DO A GREAT JOB WITH WHAT WE'VE HAD.
IF YOU HAD 10 CHIEFS SITTING RIGHT HERE AND YOU ASK ALL 10, 10 CHIEFS, WOULD YOU TAKE MORE PEOPLE? I GUARANTEE ALL 10 ARE GONNA SAY, SURE.
I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I'LL PUT, I'LL PUT AN OFFICER IN A, IN A, UH, IN A, UH, UH, COUNTY, UH, TASK FORCE, ANOTHER COUNTY TASK FORCE.
I'LL PUT SOME MORE PEOPLE OUT TARGETING, UH, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT.
BUT ARE WE GETTING THE JOB DONE WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT YET? DO WE NEED TO MAYBE CHANGE SOME OF OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO ADDRESS MAYBE THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING MORE, MORE OF THAT, UH, WITH, WITH THE OFFICERS WORKING THE SHIFT? SURE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN DO.
UM, BUT, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE DO A HECK OF A JOB WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, AND I THINK WE ALWAYS HAVE CHIEF, I I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT AT ALL.
UM, BUT FROM A POLICY MAKER, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT DURING THE REST OF MY TIME HERE, UM, I CAN SUPPORT AND HELP PRODUCE WHATEVER IT IS TO MAKE LIFE EASIER.
UM, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS RECENTLY DONE IN THE PAST 10 YEARS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS NOW ALL OF THE ZONING AND ENFORCEMENT IS UNDERNEATH THE POLICE UMBRELLA.
UM, SO, SO ZONING AND, UM, UH, PROPERTY ENFORCEMENT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T, THAT, THAT'S NOT UNDER YOUR GUYS' PURVIEW? NO.
IT WAS FOR A SHORT TIME, I THINK WHEN, UH, WHEN SCHUMER WAS CHIEF, HE HAD ZONING FOR A LITTLE WHILE, AND THEN WHEN HE WAS CITY MANAGER, UH, AND I TOOK OVER AS CHIEF, IT WAS UNDER ME, AND THEN IT WAS TAKEN, WHEN WE DID THE STUDY, IT WAS TAKEN, AND NOW I I THINK HE REPORTS DIRECTLY TO YOU.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY RESPONSIBILITY ASSIGNED TO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OF PUBLIC SERVICES, SCOTT FALKOWSKI, AND THEN WHEN HE LEFT, I ASSUME THOSE ROLES, UH, AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
THEN THAT, THAT WAS MY RECOLLECTION.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TONIGHT, MAYOR.
ANYTHING ELSE? OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS? YES.
I'D LIKE TO THANK CHIEF LIGHTNER AND BRIAN KOWSKI, YOUR STAFFS FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
UM, WHEN YOU COME BACK, ONE REQUEST, COULD YOU TELL US, BROKEN OUT HOW MANY TICKETS YOU'VE WRITTEN FOR THE CELL PHONE SINCE THAT LAW HAS WENT INTO EFFECT FOR THE DISTRACTED DRIVING? YOU KNOW WHAT? I, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE NOT WRITING ANY TICKETS RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT THE MEDIA ASKED THAT TOO, DAN.
THE ONLY NEWS I THINK, INQUIRED AS TO THAT, BUT THERE WAS NO BREAKDOWN AS TO VIOLATION.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN'T GO LOOK AND SEE WHAT TYPES OF WARNINGS WE GAVE FOR A VIOLATION.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
THANK YOU FOR THAT PIECE OF INFORMATION.
AND IF YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE, IF YOU NEED MORE, UH, LICENSE PLATE READERS, OR IF YOU NEED MORE, WHATEVER YOU NEED, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
AND I, I THINK I WILL LOVE THIS UP HERE TO BE VERY AGREEABLE.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED, LET US KNOW.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? ADD? NOPE, THAT'S, SIR, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME, MAYOR.
COULD I ADD ONE THING, UH, FOR THE PEOPLE, UM, WATCHING AT HOME? UM, THIS ENTIRE PRESENTATION IS AVAILABLE, UH, ON THE WEBSITE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, SO YOU CAN VIEW THE PRESENTATION IN, IN ITS ENTIRETY.
[ Collective Bargaining Agreements - FOP * Sergeants - Police Division]
IS ITEM THREE D, WHICH IS THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS FOR THE F O P.UH, FIRST WE HAVE THE SERGEANTS TO THE POLICE DIVISION, AND THEN THE LIEUTENANTS OF THE POLICE DIVISION.
THESE PARTICULAR, UH, ITEMS, UH, WERE, UH, ON PAUSE, UH, PENDING A RESOLUTION WITH THE, UH, LOWER UNIT.
THE PATROL UNIT'S CONTRACT AS WAGES FOR BOTH OF THESE PARTICULAR UNITS ARE, UH, DERIVATIVE, UH, FROM, UH, THE PATROL CONTRACT WITH THE, UH, PATROL CONTRACT BEING, UM, UH, BEING RESOLVED THROUGH THE CONCILIATION, MUTUALLY RESOLVED THROUGH THE CONCILIATION PROCESS.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO MEET WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM BOTH OF THESE UNITS, UH, AND, UH, REACH A CONSENSUS ON THE CONTENT OF THESE CONTRACTS.
BOTH OF THESE CONTRACTS WERE RATIFIED BY A UNANIMOUS VOTE OF EACH ONE OF THESE UNITS, AND WE WOULD ASK TONIGHT THAT, UH, COUNCIL ADOPT THESE, UH, AT THE NEXT COUNCIL BUSINESS MEETING, UH, TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN, UH, TAKE CARE OF OUR PERSONNEL SINCE THESE ARE, UH, LONG, OUTSTANDING ISSUES.
UH, BRIAN, THE, UH, CONCILIATOR REPORT THAT I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT LAST NIGHT? YES.
UH, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE AVAILABLE TO US? UH, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FINALIZED AND OFFICIALLY PRESENTED, UH, TOMORROW THE 23RD.
SO IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND, UH, SEND THAT TO ME.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF COUNCIL WOULD, BUT, UH, SHIP IT TO TONY AND HE CAN SEND IT OUT TO US.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THESE ON TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? NO.
UM, WOULD WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE ONE FOR THE DEFENSE AS WELL, OR IS BRIAN, YOUR COMMENTS COVER BOTH OF THOSE? UH, THEY, THEY, MY COMMENTS WERE FOR BOTH, SIR.
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NEXT IS ITEM[ County Assessments Authorization - Sidewalk/Lighting/Delinquent Utility]
THREE E, WHICH IS THE COUNTY ASSESSMENT AUTHORIZATION FOR SIDEWALK FIGHTING AND DELINQUENT UTILITY.AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, HAVE BEFORE YOU THE, THE ANNUAL.
UH, THE ONE IN, IN AUGUST IS PARTICULARLY LARGE BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN ALL THE, THE ANNUAL LIGHTING ASSESSMENTS, ALL OF THE SIDEWALK SIDEWALKS HAVE ALL BEEN, UM, UM, IMPROVED.
AND SO, UH, EACH YEAR THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT, UH, COME BACK AND, UH, THESE ARE THE ASSESSMENTS FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT CHOOSE TO PAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WERE TOLD HOW, HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST.
UH, THEY WERE NOTIFIED OF THAT A YEAR AGO.
AND THOSE THAT HAVE DECIDED, UH, THEY, THEY, UM, THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE IT ASSESSED TO THEM OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS ON THEIR PROPERTY TAXES.
UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M BRINGING TO YOU TONIGHT.
UH, THAT COMPONENT ITSELF IS, UH, JUST A HAIR OVER $59,000.
UH, THE OTHER AMOUNTS ON HERE, UH, LIGHTING ASSESSMENTS, 306,000, UH, JUST ABOUT $20,000 IN GRASS AND WEEDS ASSESSMENTS, UH, 5,700 IN TRASH AND LITTER ASSESSMENTS.
AND, UH, JUST SHY OF, UH, $9,800 IN PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ASSESSMENTS.
SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR, UH, STAFF DOES DO A GOOD JOB AND, UH, IN, IN GETTING THIS WORK DONE.
AND THEN I'M THE ONE THAT HAS TO BRING IT TO COUNSEL TO ASSESS IT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, UH, FOR THOSE, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT, UH, CHOSE NOT TO PAY IT UP FRONT.
I WOULD ASK THAT THIS BE PASSED, UM, ON MONDAY NIGHT.
UM, IT, UM, THE DUE DATE THAT THE, UM, MONTGOMERY COUNTY REQUIRES US TO HAVE IT IN IS, UH, SEPTEMBER 11TH, WHICH JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AFTER THIS ONE.
SO, UM, I ASKED THEM, I SAID, CAN IT BE APPROVED ON THE 11TH AS IT, UH, AND THEY SAID, WE WOULD PREFER THAT YOU APPROVE IT, YOU KNOW, AT THIS MEETING ON A, ON MONDAY, AUGUST 28TH.
SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE DO THAT, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
WITH THE COUNT, BE APPROVED BY EMERGENCY TOO, IN ORDER TO BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
SO WE'D BE WAIVING A SECOND READING TO PROVE HIS EMERGENCY.
ANY OBJECTIONS OR ANY QUESTIONS OF JIM? OKAY.
WE'LL SEE THIS ON, UH, THE NEXT MEETING.
[ Issuance Of Notes (Renewal) - $1,662,000]
THREE F, WHICH IS ISSUANCE OF NOTES, THE RENEWAL FOR $1,660,000.THIS IS, UH, A PIECE THAT I PUT INTO YOUR PACKETS, AND, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, GOOD NEWS.
THIS IS, UM, UM, NOTES THAT WE, UH, NEED TO RENEW.
THEY, UH, FIRST, UM, WHEN WE FIRST BOUGHT THE LAYMAN PROPERTY, UM, OVER THERE OFF OF EXECUTIVE AND, UM, AND, UH, BRAND, UM, IT WAS FOR 3,750,000.
UH, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, UH, A PORTION OF THAT, UH, PROPERTY WAS SOLD DURING THIS PAST YEAR, UH, TOTALING 2 MILLION, 88,000.
SO NOW THE RENEWAL, UH, GOES DOWN FROM 3,000,750 DOWN TO 1,000,662.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR, OR MAYBE, UM, UH, NEXT YEAR OR TWO, THE REST OF THAT WILL BE SOLD.
AND WE WON'T HAVE TO BRING THESE NOTES BACK, UH, ANY LONGER.
BUT, UH, I AM BRINGING BACK TO YOU AT THIS TIME.
AND, UM, UH, REALLY THE ONLY COST INVOLVED IN THIS WOULD BE, UH, THE, UH, ISSUANCE COST OF THE NOTES ABOUT $7,500.
AND, UH, THIS WILL COME OUT OF THE TED FUND, UH, TRANSFORMATIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.
AND, UM, THIS ONE, UM, DOES NOT REQUIRE AN EMERGENCY CLAUSE AS LONG AS IT'S PASSED ON MONDAY.
UH, THE NOTES RENEW ON SEPTEMBER 29TH, SO IT WOULD HAVE A 30 DAY CLAUSE, SO IF IT'S PASSED ON THE 28TH, THAT 30 DAYS WOULD, UH, AS NON-EMERGENCY WOULD BE READY TO GO BY SEPTEMBER 29TH FOR THE RENEWAL.
SO JUST WAIVING THE SECOND READING IS ALL BE REQUIRED THERE.
YEAH, THIS, UM, YES, IT IS AN ORDINANCE, SO IF WE COULD WAIVE THE SECOND READING AND APPROVE ON MONDAY, IT DOES NOT HAVE AN EMERGENCY CLAUSE, SO IT'LL JUST GO INTO EFFECT IN 30 DAYS.
HEY, BRIAN, REAL QUICK, I KNOW WE'D HAD A DISCUSSION.
IS ISN'T THAT JUST, UH, JUST FOR GENERAL INFORMATION, AREN'T WE READY TO CLOSE OR WE CAN CLOSE TO CLOSING ON MORE PROPERTY THAT WAS PART OF THAT LEMAN PURCHASE SOON THAT WOULD EVEN REDUCE THIS FURTHER? UH, CORRECT, ACTUALLY, UM, WE ARE, UM, IN THE PROCESS OF, OF PUTTING TOGETHER THE FINAL CLOSING DOCUMENTS RIGHT NOW, UH, TO SELL OFF THE, UH, I THINK IT IS 1.5 ACRES, 1.6 ACRES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, TO SHEETS.
UH, SO THERE WAS A, UH, THERE'S A EASEMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE SHARED, UH, STORMWATER UTILITY POND THAT'S ON THAT SITE AS WELL.
UH, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY ON MY DESK.
COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED BY THE PLANNER AND BY THE, UH, LAW DIRECTOR.
SO THAT'LL BE SIGNED OFF ON BY ME TOMORROW.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S THE LAST DOCUMENT.
IS THAT, IS THAT ANOTHER MILLION AND HALF FOR THAT 1.2? UH, THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT IS THE MILLION AND A HALF FOR, YEAH, IT'S ONE POINT, UH, YEAH, IT'S 1.5 PER ACRE IS THE SALE PRICE THERE.
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OKAY.SO THAT REALLY KIND OF IN THOSE TWO SALES HAVE ALMOST GOT ALL OF OUR MONEY BACK.
IN THOSE, IN THOSE TWO LAND SALES, UH, THAT IS CORRECTED, THEY'LL, I THINK THEY'LL BE AN OUTSTANDING VALUE OF ABOUT 200,000, 250,000, AND IT WILL BE THE ONLY OUTSTANDING BALANCE THAT WE, WE BORROWED TO ACQUIRE THAT LAND, AND THEY'LL STILL BE 30 SOME ACRES YET TO SELL.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVE? YES, RICHARD.
UM, RIGHT NOW I'M, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TRY TO MAKE THIS ABOUT AS A THIRD GRADE LEVEL AS ALL GET OUT, SO BEAR WITH ME FOR JUST A MOMENT, JIM.
UM, THE BALANCE WE OWE ON THAT RIGHT NOW IS 1.6.
WE KNOW THAT THIS, WE'VE JUST HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A, UH, SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL CLOSING THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WHY ARE WE REISSUING THE NOTES AND JUST NOT GOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND CASHING THIS OUT AND BEING DONE IF WE KNOW THAT THAT PROJECT'S GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THIS RIGHT HERE HAS GOTTA, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE EXTENDING, YOU KNOW, 1.6 MILLION FOR 6% OVER 20 YEARS.
WHY NOT JUST GO AHEAD AND BE DONE WITH IT NOW? WELL, THIS IN PARTICULAR IS THE ONLY NOTE THAT THE CITY ISSUES, UH, THIS IS AN INTERNAL NOTE MM-HMM.
SO WE'RE BUYING THIS NOTE FROM OURSELVES, OKAY? SO WE'RE NOT ISSUING IT OUT IN THE MARKET.
SO THE, UH, SEWER FUND IS THE ONE THAT IS, UH, GAINING THAT, UH, INTEREST, UM, FROM WHAT WE'RE PAYING.
WE'RE BASICALLY PAYING OURSELVES.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A SHORT TERM NOTE, BY THE WAY.
IT'S ONE YEAR NOTE, IT'S ONE YEAR.
IT'S NOT 20 YEARS, IT'S JUST ONE YEAR.
I'M ABOUT CONFIDENT THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE WERE PUTTING THAT UP FOR.
UM, AND I THINK YOU MIGHT BE REFERENCING, UH, BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE THAT'S REQUIRED BY OUR BOND COUNSEL TO BE IN THERE.
UM, I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS A REFERENCE THAT IT WOULD BE TURNED INTO BONDS, BUT, UH, THIS IS, UH, STRICTLY A ONE YEAR NOTE.
AND ALSO, IF WE HAPPEN TO MAKE THAT SALE, AND THAT HAPPENS BEFORE SEPTEMBER 29TH ON THE RENEWAL OF THIS NOTE, UM, THE LANGUAGE IN THIS NOTE ALLOWS US TO REDUCE THAT BY THE SALE OF THAT PROPERTY IF IT HAPPENS BEFORE THE RENEWAL OF THE NOTES.
SO EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE APPROVING THIS, IT CAN BE A REDUCED AMOUNT, UH, IF THAT, UM, SALE COMES IN BEFORE THE RENEWAL OF THE NOTES.
YEAH, I'M, AND I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION THAT FIXED SOME OF THAT, UH, FOR ME AT THE THIRD GRADE LEVEL.
UM, BUT, AND SECTION THREE WHERE IT SAYS, UM, THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT IS PAID AND ARE ESTIMATED TO MATURE IN 20 ANNUAL PRINCIPAL INSTALLMENTS.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE, OKAY.
FROM OUR BOND COUNSEL, UH, CHRIS ROSMAN AT, UH, SQUARE PATENT BOGS THAT EVERY TIME YOU DO A NOTE, AND I'M GONNA BE BRINGING MORE NOTES, UH, ISSUANCES TO YOU AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UM, FOR A LOT OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, UH, THE LANGUAGE HAS TO SAY THAT, UH, THIS IS ANTICIPATE, IT'S CALLED BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES.
SO IT'S A NOTE THAT YOU'RE ISSUING FOR ONE YEAR, BUT IT'S IN ANTICIPATION OF A FUTURE ISSUE OF BONDS, WHICH WOULD GO OUT 20 YEARS, 25 YEARS, 30 YEARS.
BUT AT THIS TIME, THIS IS JUST A ONE YEAR NOTE, BUT THE LANGUAGE HAS TO READ THAT IT IS IN ANTICIPATION OF FURTHER, UH, INDEBTEDNESS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO DO THAT.
UM, AND, UH, THAT CAN BE CONFUSING.
I, I, I CAN SAY NO, NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
UM, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF POINTS IN THERE THAT WAS, I DON'T WANNA SAY CONFUSING, JUST WASN'T CLEAR ENOUGH, AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING IT UP.
THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION.
YES, JIM, JUST FROM A FINANCING PERSPECTIVE, DOESN'T, ISN'T THAT THE DEFINITION OF A NOTE? A SHORT TERM? YES.
I MEAN, YEAH, YOU DON'T, I MEAN, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE BONDS OR BE LONG TERM FINANCING, EXACTLY.
SPECIFIC, BUT A NOTE BY DEFINITION IS A SHORT TERM FINANCING IS WAY IS ONE YEAR OR LESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON TO THE, OKAY,
[ Water Infrastructure Update]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE G, WHICH IS A WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.BRIAN, UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
UH, NO, UH, REAL SIGNIFICANT UPDATE, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC.
THE SPREADSHEET IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE COUNCIL PACKET, AND WE ARE, UH, MOVING ON SCHEDULE BASED ON THE ANNOTATIONS WITHIN THAT SPREADSHEET.
SO HAVING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? YEAH, RICHARD, THE ONLY VERIFICATION IS THAT, UM, I BELIEVE, AND, UH, I'LL PULL UP THE SHEET.
UH, THE 2023 PROJECTS ARE SUPPOSED TO KICK OFF IN SEPTEMBER, AM I CORRECT ON THAT? UH, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND WE'RE STILL ON, ON PAR PIPING, MANPOWER, EVERYTHING IS STILL GOING THEN? UH, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THE NOTICE TO PROCEED, UM, WILL BE, I BELIEVE I SIGNED OFF ON THAT, UH, LATE LAST WEEK.
SO IF THAT HAS NOT BEEN ALREADY PROVIDED TO THE, UH, CONTRACTOR, UH, YESTERDAY, UH,
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OR TODAY, IT WILL BE THIS WEEK, WHICH KEEPS US ON, ON SCHEDULE AND ON TRACK.BUT I WILL VERIFY THAT, UH, WITH, UH, THE ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER TOMORROW.
AND, UM, HOW HAS, UH, AND I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, JUST WONDERING, UM, IF THERE'S BEEN ANY UPDATE ON THE, UH, DEMAND OF PIPE AND PRODUCTION, HAS THAT GOTTEN BETTER, HAS THAT GOTTEN WORSE, OR ARE WE ABOUT THE SAME? UH, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY UPDATES, UH, FROM THE ENGINEER ON, UH, THAT CONDITION.
BUT AGAIN, I CAN FOLLOW UP AND, AND CIRCLE BACK WITH COUNSEL, UH, WITH AN UPDATE ON THAT, BECAUSE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UH, MAYOR, THAT WE WERE KIND OF, UH, PRE-ORDERING THAT WE WERE GETTING AHEAD OF THE GAME.
UM, AND I, I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING OF, OF VERY MUCH CONCERN AT THIS COUNCIL TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THE BALL.
IT WAS THE WHOLE REASON WE MOVE TO AN 18 MONTH SCHEDULE VERSUS A 12 MONTH SCHEDULE.
SO I JUST, UH, JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GET AN UPDATE ON THOSE POINTS.
BRIAN, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, COULD YOU SEND ALL THE COUNSEL AN EMAIL ONCE YOU VERIFIED THOSE UPDATES RICHARD WAS INQUIRING ABOUT? YEP.
UH, BRIAN, UH, TO FOLLOW UP WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN SHAW'S COME AT THE 2023, UM, PROGRAM THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UH, THE SPREADSHEET SAID BEGINS CONSTRUCTION SEPTEMBER 15TH TO OCTOBER 15TH.
UM, AND THIS YEAR'S PROCESS, UH, IN THINKING AHEAD, UH, WITH, UH, THE PIPING, BUT ALSO WITH THE 2024 PROJECT, UM, SHOULD WE START WORKING ON IT SOONER AS OPPOSED TO LATER START WORKING ON 2024, UH, IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, SO WE CAN GET IT GOING? SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT SO LONG INTO 2024 FISCAL YEAR? IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I'LL HAVE TO CONFIRM.
BUT IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED LEGISLATION TO AUTHORIZE THE ENGINEERING FOR WHAT WOULD BE THE FUTURE PROJECT.
ONCE THE, UH, PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING IS DONE AND WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, UH, UH, THE PIPE NEEDS ARE FOR THOSE PROJECTS, THEN WE WOULD BEGIN ORDERING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, LINING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE UP SO THAT IT CAN BE DELIVERED ON TIME SO THAT WE CAN COMMENCE THAT PROJECT SO THAT THAT IS IN PROCESS NOW.
SO THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
WHEN'S THAT GOING TO BE DONE? WHICH PART? THE ENGINEERING, WELL, THE ENGINEERING I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR AND THEY'VE WORKED ON.
SO, UH, THE PLANNING, THE PREPARATION, AND THE BUDGETING, WE CAN SEND THIS OUT FOR BID SPECS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'LL HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE ENGINEER BECAUSE WE'VE COMMISSIONED THE ENGINEERING, BUT THAT TAKES TIME FOR THE ACTUAL ENGINEERING TO BE DONE SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND QUANTITY AND SIZING FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
SO THOSE WOULD BE PROJECTS THAT THE ENGINEER WOULD MANAGE.
I'LL NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH HIM, GET AN UPDATE FROM HIM, AND THEN I CAN CIRCLE BACK TO COUNSEL WITH AN EMAIL PROVIDING YOU THAT INFORMATION.
'CAUSE IT'S NEVER TOO EARLY TO START THINKING ABOUT 2024.
[ Economic Development Plan - The Meadows At Heritage Commons]
UP IS ITEM THREE H, WHICH IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE MEADOWS AT HERITAGE COMMONS.BRIAN, UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
UH, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR LEGISLATION STARTS THE PROCESS FOR ESTABLISHING A TIFF DISTRICT, UH, WITH PROJECTS WE ARE WORKING ON OR HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, WITHIN THE OLD MARION MEADOWS HERITAGE COMMONS, SOUTH POINT CROSSING THE MEADOWS.
I THINK IT'S GONE BY A VARIETY OF NAMES.
UH, BUT THIS WOULD EFFECTIVELY PROVIDE THE CITY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, A, UH, TAX INCREMENT FINANCE DISTRICT CAPTURE FOR WHAT IS DOGTOWN AND WHAT IS, UH, CR DAYTON.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PROJECT WILL EVENTUALLY INCLUDE, UH, C R A WITH MSPS, BOTH FROM, UH, DOGTOWN, UH, AS WELL AS FROM, UH, THE CITY, UH, TO ITSELF THROUGH ITS TENANTS AT, UM, AT C R DAYTON.
UH, AT PRESENT, UH, WE ARE ESTIMATING THAT, UH, THE, UH, TAX INCREMENT FINANCING FOR, UH, THE, FOR C R DAYTON OVER THE, UH, THE LIFE OF THE, UH, THE TIF DISTRICT, WHICH IS 30 YEARS WITH THE C R A.
IT'LL CAPTURE FOR, UH, THE LAST 15 YEARS, 16 THROUGH 30.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE ESTIMATING WE'LL GENERATE APPROXIMATELY $60,000, UH, ON DOGTOWN.
UH, WE ESTIMATE THAT, UH, THE SAME TIFF DISTRICT, THE SAME 30 YEARS, UM, WITH, UH, THE, THE FINAL CAPTURE IN YEARS 16 THROUGH 30 WILL GENERATE APPROXIMATELY $350,000 BETWEEN, UH, THOSE TWO, UH, THOSE TWO ENTITIES.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNSEL, MOVE THIS PLAN FORWARD.
UH, BOTH, UM, UH, DOGTOWN, UH, WAS COMPLETED IN THIS YEAR.
SO THEY WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO PAY PROPERTY TAX, UH, STARTING IN JANUARY OF 2020, UH, FOUR.
AND THEN OUR PROJECT IS ALSO SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN THIS YEAR, MEANING THAT WE WILL HAVE TO PAY THE, UH, IMPROVED TAX VALUE STARTING IN 2024 AS WELL.
SO IN ORDER FOR US TO BE IN A POSITION TO CAPTURE THESE IN THE FUTURE, UH, THIS LEGISLATION NEEDS TO BE MOVED FORWARD AND BE APPROVED BY
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THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.ANY QUESTIONS, RICHARD? THANK YOU, BRIAN, IN THE READ AHEAD, IT SAID, THIS PROJECT HAS AN ESTIMATED TOTAL 30 YEAR REVENUE BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF 249,000, BUT I BELIEVE WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS 350.
AM I CORRECT? UH, SO ON DOGTOWN, THE, UM, ESTIMATED TIF CAPTURE, UM, IS 3 41, BUT LET ME CONFIRM THAT.
AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S THREE 50 OVER THE ENTIRE 30 YEARS.
IS IT'LL COLLECT ON THE BACK END, UM, OF THAT PROJECT, LIKE ON THE FRONT END WILL BE THE C R A.
SO EFFECTIVELY WE'LL PROVIDE, UH, A 100% TAX ABATEMENT, UH, FOR YEARS ONE THROUGH 15, AND THEN WE WILL SUBSTITUTE IN ON THAT IN M S P, THAT WOULD ROUGHLY EQUAL THE FULL TAX VALUE.
AND THIS, AND THIS HAS NO, UH, NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE SCHOOL.
UH, WELL, THE C R A, UH, DOES, UH, THE C R A DOES NEGATE ALL PROPERTY TAXES TO ALL ENTITIES.
BUT THE, UH, TAX INCREMENT FINANCE DISTRICT DOES NOT IMPACT THE SCHOOL.
THE SCHOOL IS MADE WHOLE, UH, THROUGH OUR, OUR TIF DISTRICTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
AND THIS IS PLANNED FOR TWO READINGS.
THIS IS PLANNED FOR TWO READINGS BETWEEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON TWO, WE, NOT, BETWEEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT OR JUST TWO READINGS.
UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE, I THINK THE PUBLIC HEARING COMES LATER IN THE PROCESS, RIGHT? UH, THAT IS CORRECT.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL COME LATER IN THE PROCESS.
[ Case TA 23-14A - City Of Huber Heights - Text Amendments - Chapter 1181.20 - Building Materials]
NEXT, ITEM THREE I, WHICH IS CASE TA 23 DASH 14, A CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR CHAPTER 11, 81 POINT 20 OF BUILDING MATERIALS.AARON ROSARO, YOU HERE? HOW ARE YOU? UH, GOOD EVENING.
LIKE, DO YOU, DO YOU ENJOY THAT THIS MUCH? WHAT'S THAT? DO YOU ENJOY THIS, THIS MUCH?
UH, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND.
UH, THIS STARTED WITH BRIAN ASKING ME TO, UH, BETTER DEFINE, UH, MASONRY MATERIALS AND THE ZONING CODE, AND THEN I SORT OF TOOK IT FROM THERE AND HAVE, UH, UH, TRY TO IMPROVE THIS SECTION OF THE CODE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT DOES A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, ATTEMPTS TO ALIGN THE CODE WITH RECENT PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
UH, POLICY DECISIONS TWO, UH, REDUCE REGULATORY UNCERTAINTY.
UH, THERE'S A DISPARITY ALSO IN THE CODE BETWEEN IF YOU ARE BUILDING IN A STRAIGHT, UH, ZONE DISTRICT VERSUS, UH, UH, A SUBDIVISION ZONED UNDER THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND THEN ALSO TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL DESIGN FLEXIBILITY, UM, IN OUR HOUSING STOCK.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT MASONRY REQUIREMENTS IS IF YOU'RE IN A STRAIGHT ZONE DISTRICT, SO AGRICULTURE THROUGH R SEVEN.
UH, IF YOU WERE BUILDING A SINGLE STORY HOME, IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT BRICK.
UH, IF YOU WANT ANY OTHER TYPE OF, UH, MASONRY, UM, MATERIAL OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT REQUIRES A TRIP TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, FOR ONE STORY DWELLINGS, IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT BRICK WRAP ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THE SECOND, UH, FLOOR CAN BE, UH, ANOTHER TYPE OF MATERIAL, UH, AS SO LONG AS IT'S NOT VINYL SIDING, UH, UNDER THE PLANNING DEVELOP UNDER THE P U D OR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, DISTRICTS, UH, IT'S REALLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UH, AND THIS BODY THROUGH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THE PROPOSED STANDARDS ARE, UH, A COUPLE.
UM, ONE IS THAT MASONRY OR MASONRY WILL BE DEFINED AS FULL DEPTH OR CULTURED BRICK OR STONE.
UH, OTHER MATERIALS WILL ALSO BE USED, UH, ON NON MASONRY WALL SERVICES, UH, WITHOUT A TRIP TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, AND THAT CAN, UM, BUT ALSO MASONRY FOR THE NON BRICK PART, UH, WHICH I'LL GET TO ALSO INCLUDES, OR, OR, SO THAT'S, LEMME REPHRASE THAT.
THE OTHER MATERIALS, UM, ALSO INCLUDE, UM, CULTURE STONE, WELL, EXCUSE ME, E ETHOS, POUR CONCRETE, SPLIT FACE, CONCRETE BLOCKS, STUCCO, UH, MASON SCENARIO WHERE VINYL SIDING, WE DO SET A MINIMUM NOW, OR AT LEAST I'M PROPOSING A MINIMUM OF 0.44 MILLIMETERS FOR VINYL SIDING.
UH, WHICH IS KIND OF THE, THE MID TO UPPER GRADE OF
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VINYL SIDING.IT'S NOT THE CHEAPEST YOU CAN BUY.
IT DOESN'T FLUTTER IN THE WIND, UH, UNLESS IT'S INSULATED.
UH, INSULATED VINYL SIDING IS A BETTER PRODUCT.
UH, IT, IT, I'LL GET TO IT IN A SECOND, BUT IT, IT PRETTY MUCH DOESN'T SAG RE DIS, UH, REDUCE IT REDUCES, OR EXCUSE ME, IT, UH, IT AVOIDS DENTS.
IT DOESN'T SOUND HOLLOW, IT DOESN'T FLAP IN THE WIND.
ALL OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE, THE REASONS PEOPLE DON'T LIKE VINYL SIDING.
SO IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, THIS IS CULTURED BRICK AND STONE.
IT'S ALSO LOVINGLY, UH, REFERRED TO AS LICK AND STICK BRICK OR LICK AND STICK STONE.
UH, IT BASICALLY JUST, UH, ADHERES, UH, BY, UH, MORTAR.
UH, AND THEN THIS IS INSULATED VINYL SIDING.
THERE'S, UH, INSULATION APPLIED DIRECTLY TO THE VINYL SIDING.
IT HAS BETTER SHADOW LINES, UM, LIKE TRADITIONAL LAP OR WOOD SIDING.
UH, LIKE I SAID, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SAG, IT DOESN'T FLAP IN THE WIND.
UH, IT REDU, IT RE UM, IT AVOIDS PUNCTURES, ALL OF THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, AS FAR AS THE PROPOSED STANDARDS, UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS IN STRAIGHT ZONED AREAS, WE WOULD, UM, REQUIRE MASONRY OF, UH, 25% OF THE FIRST FLOOR FRONT FACADE.
UH, IN P U D AREAS, WE WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, THAT 25% OF THE FRONT, UH, FACADE BE BRICK, STONE, BRICK OR CULTURED STONE, UH, MULTIFAMILY, AT LEAST 10% OF THE AGGREGATE WALL SURFACE.
AND THE REASON WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AGGREGATE WALL SURFACE IS IN MULTIFAMILY OR MIXED USE BUILDINGS, TYPICALLY YOU'VE GOT FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE, UH, THERE, THERE'S PARKING AREAS.
YOU'RE SEEING MOST OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING IN SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.
YOU'RE USUALLY JUST SEEING THE FRONT OR THE SIDE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE PROVIDING SOME GUIDELINES FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, AS FAR AS THE TYPES LOCATION AND LAYOUT WE CONSIDERING, UM, MASONRY.
SO WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE A MIX OF BUILDING FACADES AND MATERIAL USAGE.
UH, DISCOURAGE MONOTONOUS BUILDING REPETITION.
WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF FULL DEPTH BRICK OR CULTURED BRICK STONE OR CULTURED STONE, UH, OR OTHER APPROVED PRODUCTS ALONG FRONTAGES OF MAJOR PUBLIC STREETS AND THOROUGH AFFAIRS.
UM, WE SAW WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE, THE METROPOLITAN, UH, RECENTLY, R H M, THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM REALLY PUT THE, THEIR BEST FOOT FORWARD, SO TO SPEAK, ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE AREAS THAT'S HIGHEST TRAVELED.
UH, AND THEN ALLOW THEM TO STEP BACK ON OTHER MATERIALS AS THEY GET FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY FROM THE, THE MAIN PUBLIC THOROUGHFARES AND STREETS.
UH, SO PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL OF THESE CHANGES.
IF, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROPOSAL, WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THIS COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO NEVER HEAR ABOUT HARDY BOARD AND JUNK VINYL SIGHTING? UM, AGAIN, UH, WELL, I'M HOPING THAT YOU WON'T HAVE TO HEAR ABOUT JUNK VINYL SIDING EVER AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING A MINIMUM SIZE AND, AND ALL OF THE REASONS THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE VINYL SIDING AS FAR AS THE, THE WARPING, THE FLAPPING OF THE WIND, UH, THE HOLLOW SOUND WILL HOPEFULLY DISSIPATE.
SO JAMES HARDY, THE MANUFACTURER DOES ALSO MAKE A CULTURED STONE LOOK.
UH, SO IT'S NOT JUST LAP SIDING, BUT THEY DO MAKE A, UH, A CULTURED STONE, YOU KNOW, TACK ON, UM, PRODUCT JUST LIKE LAP SIDING.
UM, SO WHERE, WHERE I THINK WE, AND THIS IS THE DIRECTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS IS THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE ALSO ARE MORE PRESCRIPTIVE DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PHASE OF THE ACTUAL MATERIAL PERCENTAGES BEING, UH, MORE SPECIFIC IN THE DECISION ORDERS OF THE TYPE OF MATERIAL.
SO WE'RE HOPEFUL, I'M HOPEFUL THAT AS WE MAKE THESE INCREMENTAL CHANGES IN THE CODE, WE'RE RAISING THE BAR, THE BAR, BOTH IN THE MATERIAL TYPES, UH, SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DIVERSITY, UH, AND, AND OVERALL CREATING A, A BRINGING UP THE AESTHETIC LEVEL IN THE COMMUNITY.
THAT LEADS INTO MY SECOND QUESTION.
HOW AGGRESSIVE DO YOU THINK OUR PERCENTAGE, UH, IN THIS PROPOSAL IS WHEN IT COMES TO STRAIGHT AND P U D? AND CAN IT BE MORE AGGRESSIVE IN YOUR OPINION, WHEN IT COMES TO STANDARDS SET WITHIN THE REGION? WELL, VERY FEW, UH, COMMUNITIES ACTUALLY PUT A THRESHOLD ON THE PERCENTAGE OF BRICK OR, OR STONE.
WHAT THEY HAVE TYPICALLY DONE IS ELIMINATED OR REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF VINYL
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SIDING, AND THEN THE OTHER MATERIALS JUST KIND OF NATURALLY FALL, FALL ALONG.UM, I THINK THAT DEPENDING, I THINK WHAT I'VE TRIED TO GET AT IN THIS, IN THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS GIVING THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF AND THE DEVELOPERS SOME DIRECTION ON THAT.
WE SHOULD TREAT OUR HIGH TRAFFIC CORRIDORS AT A HIGHER STANDARD THAN MAYBE LESSER STREETS.
UH, AND SO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THOSE AND ALSO REDUCING THE DISPARITY, UH, BETWEEN STRAIGHT ZONED AREAS AND PLAN DEVELOPMENTS.
ULTIMATELY, I THINK IF, IF WE AS A BODY DECIDE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF THE ZONING CODE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WE REQUIRE EVERY, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GREATER THAN, UH, 40 UNITS OR 50 UNITS FROM GOING TO A, THROUGH THE PLANNED DEVELOP THE P U D PROCESS.
UM, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD IN REALLY GOOD DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ELIMINATE THAT NEED FOR SUCH SORT OF OVERKILL, LEGISLATIVE OVERKILL, IN MY VIEW.
I'M NOT SURE I'M REALLY ANSWERING DIRECTLY YOUR QUESTION.
NO, YOU ACTUALLY DID, AND YOU GOT OFF ON SOME OTHER GREAT POINTS, AND I WAS JUST LETTING YOU GO BECAUSE IT WAS WONDERFUL TO HEAR
UM, NO, I, I, I APPRECIATE THAT I, AND I KNOW WE HAVE ALL TALKED ABOUT CHANGING THE AESTHETIC, CHANGING THE VIEW, UH, OF WHAT IS HAPPENING ON OUR MAIN THOROUGH AFFAIRS AND WITHIN A LOT OF OUR, UM, ONGOING DEVELOPMENTS AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US.
UM, I MEAN, NOBODY WANTS, YOU KNOW, A FOUR FOOT NEAR, I'M SORRY, A FOUR STORY, YOU KNOW, BUILDING ALONG, YOU KNOW, BRENT PIKE OR CHAMBERSBURG OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, OF SOME JUNK SIDING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SAGGING DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, ANYWAYS, I, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD WAY FORWARD.
I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO COME AFTER THIS.
UM, I, I DO THINK THAT OVERHAUL IS NEEDED.
UM, AND JUST REAL QUICK, MAYBE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, WHEN'S THE LAST TIME THAT'S EVEN BEEN TOUCHED ELSE? SO WE'VE BEEN, THE CODE'S BEEN HAD PIECEMEAL UPDATES OVER TIME.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BROUGHT FORWARD A COUPLE.
THIS PARTICULAR SECTION, UH, WAS, UH, IT WAS 12 YEARS AGO, 2011 WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN AMENDED OR TOUCHED SINCE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE, AS WE HAVE SEEN ISSUES EMERGE, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS THEM.
I THINK I'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS THEM MAYBE A LITTLE QUICKER IN MY, THE LAST, HOWEVER I'VE BEEN HERE 15 MONTHS OR SO.
UM, SO, UM, STILL WORKING DOWN THAT LIST OF THINGS THAT I THINK, UH, SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
BUT WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS A WHOLE SCALE, YOU KNOW, COMPREHENSIVE LOOK.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A PROJECT IN AND OF ITSELF.
AND I, I THINK THIS, UH, TO YOUR POINT PROVIDES, UH, STAFF PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UM, AND ALL OTHERS A A MORE DESCRIPTIVE PROCESS AND A WAY FORWARD, UH, THAT THIS COUNCIL SET.
I THINK THIS WAS A, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT START.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT, NOT, EXCUSE ME, NOT A QUESTION, BUT, UH, COMMENT.
I FOLLOWED THIS, UM, WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION WENT THROUGH THIS, WHEN YOU AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WENT THROUGH THIS.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS ON, UH, WORKING YOUR WAY THROUGH THIS.
YOU MENTIONED, UH, IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BENEFITS TO A, A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER REGARDING, UM, PUTTING OUT A BETTER PRODUCT.
I THINK IT WAS, UM, TALKING ABOUT NOT BEING REPETITIOUS OR MONOTONOUS WITH THEIR DESIGN.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT? SO, YEAH, SO OUTSIDE OF THE, OUTSIDE OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, OUR CODE IS, UM, AT LEAST NOT, I MEAN, IT REQUIRES A HUNDRED PERCENT BRICK, ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF BRICK.
NOW, IT CAN BE GRAY, BRICK, RED BRICK, WHATEVER, BUT IT'S BRICK.
UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT REQUIRES A TRIP TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, AND, AND I DON'T THINK PROVIDE, AND CURRENTLY BOTH ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, MAYBE LESS SO ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE, IT'S A PRETTY TIGHT BOX THAT DOESN'T ALLOW A LOT OF, UM, DESIGN FLEXIBILITY OUTSIDE OF GOING THROUGH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN HERE, AND THEN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THERE'S A THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO, TO DO THAT.
I THINK WE HAVE, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS, HAS DONE OVER THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AS I'VE REVIEWED CASE HISTORY, IS THEY'VE, THEY'VE LESSENED IN A SENSE THAT PRESCRIPTIVE MATERIAL REQUIREMENT DOWN TO
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ABOUT 25% OF BRICK OR STONE.AND WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IS YOU'VE SEEN A SORT OF A, A BETTER VARIATION OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS AS FAR AS MATERIALS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD THAT I THINK THE DESIGN TEAMS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVE.
NOW, SOME OF THEM, MAYBE THE, THE, UH, THE DESIGN AESTHETIC ISN'T WHAT WE INITIALLY, UM, ANTICIPATED.
UM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS SUPER JAZZED ABOUT THAT.
BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT BOTH IN A SORT OF A, AN ISSUE ON, ON BUILDING MATERIAL, BUT ALSO JUST GENERAL KIND OF AESTHETICS OF, OF THE BUILDINGS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS, IS ATTUNED TO WANTING TO, AND, AND IS ATTUNED TO REQUIRING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, A A HIGHER AESTHETIC, UM, TREATMENT, ESPECIALLY ALONG OUR CORRIDORS.
I THINK THE LIBRARY WAS, WAS A FANTASTIC DESIGN.
UH, BRIAN AND I SAT DOWN WITH ARCHITECTS ON ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE'RE, THAT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON UP IN TALKING ABOUT MATERIALS AND, AND AESTHETICS, SINCE IT'S GONNA HAVE A PROMINENT LOCATION.
UM, THE FOLKS AT METROPOLITAN WE'RE GREAT TO WORK WITH.
R H M IS, IS HEADING DOWN THAT PATH.
SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AT A BETTER POINT THAN PROBABLY A DECADE AGO.
SO, JUST TO CLARIFY, IF THIS IS THE FRONT OF A HOUSE, HOW MUCH OF THIS WOULD BE BRICK? 25 OF, IN A, IN FRONT OF A HOUSE? A STRAIGHT ZONE OF YES.
UH, 25%, NOT INCLUDING, UM, PENETRATIONS, GARAGE, WINDOWS, DOORS.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING FOR EVERYBODY HOME.
YEAH, IT'S TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF THE PILLARS AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, BUT YEAH, UP TO 20, THE MINIMUM'S 25%, THEY CAN GO HIGHER, BUT THE MINIMUM OF THE FRONT FACADE.
THANK, SO ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THESE, UH, CHANGES ON THE NEXT MEETING? NO.
AND THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY.
SOMETHING ELSE? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
OH, SO JUST, UH, ONE RELATED OR SORT OF RELATED NOTE ON TEXT AMENDMENTS.
UH, I PLAN TO BRING, UH, UPDATED SELF-STORAGE REGULATIONS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN OCTOBER SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, IN NOVEMBER, EARLY DECEMBER AS PART OF THAT SIX MONTH MORATORIUM WINDOW.
[ Board And Commission Appointments * Arts And Beautification Commission - Appointment]
IS ITEM THREE J, WHICH IS THE BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS FOR ARTS UNIFICATION COMMISSION.IT'S THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY'S INTERVIEW PANEL TO APPOINT STELLA HIGHER TO THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION FOR TERMINATING JUNE 30TH, 2025.
UH, THE NECESSARY BACKGROUND CHECKS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED THROUGH HUMAN RESOURCES.
UH, THIS WOULD FILL THE RE THE SINGLE REMAINING VACANCY ON THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION SO THAT THEY'LL BE AT, UH, FULL, UH, CAPACITY.
AND, UM, I WOULD ASK FOR COUNSEL'S ACTION ON THIS MOTION ON MONDAY'S AGENDA.
WE'LL MOVE THAT ON THE NEXT STEP, UH,
[ City Manager Search Process Update]
FINALLY ON THIS AGENDA IS THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS UPDATE.AND, UH, I'M VERY PLEASED I WOULD, UH, JUST ANNOUNCE WHERE WE ARE.
AND LAST NIGHT AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UH, AFTER WE CAME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, THERE WAS, UH, ACTION THAT WAS ADDED TO THAT AGENDA.
AND COUNSEL DID VOTE TO APPROVE MR. RICHARD ZICK, UH, TO BE THE NEXT CITY MANAGER OF HEBREW HEIGHTS.
AND HE WILL HAVE A START DATE OF MONDAY, SEPTEMBER THE 11TH.
SO THAT IS THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD.
SO THAT ISSUE IS NOW BEHIND US AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING, UH, MR. ZICK HERE.
UH, WE DID MENTION LAST NIGHT THAT WE WILL HAVE KIND OF A MEET AND GREET.
THERE'LL BE A TIME HE'LL COME TO, UH, TO THE CITY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS AND WE'LL HAVE A, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE TO COME AND GET TO KNOW HIM, ASK QUESTIONS OR, UM, WHATEVER THEY WANNA DO.
AND HE'S READY AND, AND PREPARED AND, UH, MORE SO EXCITED, UH, TO BE JOINING THE CITY AND THE STAFF HERE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME AGAIN, UH, MR. ZI.
MAYOR, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY START DATES SO EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE? YES.
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER THE 11TH IS HIS, IS HIS START DATE? YES.
UM, ANY, UH, NEW? I KNOW WE PASSED THE CONTRACT LAST NIGHT.
UM, DO WE HAVE, UH, ESTIMATED TIME WHEN HE'S GOING TO BE SIGNING THAT IT WAS FEDEX TO HIM? UH, OVERNIGHT, UH, THIS MORNING? UH, HE'LL RECEIVE THAT, UH, EARLY TOMORROW MORNING THAT HE WILL BE RETURNING IT BY OVERNIGHT DELIVERY.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE IT BY THURSDAY, UH, SOMETIME DURING THE DAY.
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AND TONY, YOU'LL KEEP US SURPRISED IF THAT SEND OUT ALL OF COUNSEL WHEN THAT I WILL.AND, AND PER YOUR REQUEST LAST NIGHT, I HAVE A NOTE TO SEND OUT A COPY OF THE EXECUTED CONTRACT WHEN IT'S COMPLETED TO ALL OF COUNSEL.
AND MAYOR, DO WE HAVE A PRESS RELEASE MAKING THAT ANNOUNCEMENT OR ARE WE HOLDING OFF OF THAT UNTIL THE UH, CON WE HAVE THE CONTRACT SIGNED IN HAND? UH, WELL, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME, UH, PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS FROM DAYTON DAILY NEWS REGARDING, REGARDING THAT.
I THINK TONY HAS SENT THEM SOME INFORMATION MM-HMM.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE HAVE THE EXECUTED CONTRACT, THEN WE CERTAINLY CAN MAKE A, A MUCH BIGGER DEAL ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE OUR NEW CITY MANAGER NOW.
AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, WELCOME RICHARD ZICK TO THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS AS OUR NEXT CITY MANAGER.
UH, THERE IS A NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.
UH, TONY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WOULD BE TO GO INTO EXEC EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR DISCUSSIONS WITH AN ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY CONCERNING DISPUTES THAT ARE THE SUBJECT OF PENDING OR IMMINENT COURT ACTION.
IS THERE A MOTION, NANCY? I MAKE A MOTION GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE REASONS STATED BY OUR OKAY.
ANY DISCUSSION ATTORNEY MR. SHAW? YES.
AND MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION CARRIES SIX TO ZERO.
ONCE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS OVER, WE'LL COME OUT AND THEN WE'LL KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ACTION THAT HAS BEEN OR NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE'VE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND COUNCIL HAS AGREED TO ADD TO THE, UH, AUGUST 28TH COUNCIL MEETING, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH, UH, SIMS DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA ON AUGUST 28TH.
IT IS NOW, IT IS 8 36 STILL, AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.