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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road August 15, 2023 6:00 P.M. ]
CALL THE MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? OKAY.
I HAVE NO OPEN REMARKS, UH, MR. RELL? YES.
UM, I'M GLAD TO SEE SUCH A, A BIG CROWD TO TALK ABOUT PLANNING.
UM, BUT JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, UH, THE SITE ENGINEER FOR THE BUCKY'S PROJECT WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY.
UH, WE WILL GO OVER, WE EXPECT A FORMAL APPLICATION BY THE END OF THE WEEK, UH, AND REVISE SITE PLANS BY THE END OF THE MONTH.
THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, TENTATIVELY WILL BE SEPTEMBER 12TH.
UM, AT THE END OF THE MEETING, I WILL GO OVER THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE SO FAR AS PART OF THE INFORMAL REVIEW.
UH, BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS NOT SOMEBODY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HERE AT THIS MEETING.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR CITIZEN'S COMMENTS OF ITEMS NOT PERTAINING, UH, TO EYE, TO EYE ON THE AGENDA.
I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS YOU TONIGHT.
UM, I HEARD THE NEWS ABOUT BUDGETS COMING AND I KIND OF WANTED TO GET AHEAD OF THE, THE GAME.
I, UH, I'M A RESIDENT OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED MY ACTUAL ADDRESS.
UM, DID YOU SIGN IN THOUGH, SIR? OH, I WILL SIGN IN.
UH, CAN I SEND IN AT THE END OF MY REMARKS? I'M SORRY.
CAN I SIGN IN AT THE END OF MY REMARKS? YES.
UM, SO I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SITTING ON THAT COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, STEERING COMMISSION, UM, AND HELPING DEVELOP THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT I THINK WAS PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS, UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT BUCKY'S DOES NOT FIT IN THAT AREA WHERE IT'S PROPOSED.
I JUST WANT THAT, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A PUBLIC, THERE'S MORE TO COME, BUT THEY DON'T SERVE TRUCKS.
AND WE HAVE TRUCKING INDUSTRY IN THAT PART OF TOWN.
AND I'M JUST AFRAID THAT IT COULD CAUSE US PROBLEMS AS WE TRY TO GROW THAT AREA.
AND, UH, THAT'S REALLY MY BIG, UH, WHY I'M HERE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE IF BUCKY'S DOES COME.
AND I KNOW BUCKY'S BUSINESS PLAN IS NOT, UH, 52 ACRES IS A LOT OF WIND TO TIE UP FROM MY OPINION AT GAS STATION.
AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I WANT.
I, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FUTURE OF HUBER HEIGHTS CONSIDERED IN THIS.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S SHINY AND IT'S NEW.
UM, IN SEVEN YEARS, WE'RE ALL SUPPOSED TO HAVE ELECTRIC CARS.
SO IT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE EVENING.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA? EXCUSE I PLEASE.
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DAVID JOHNSON, 76 31 PARKVILLE ROAD, UH, HU RIDES OHIO.
UM, THE GENTLEMAN JUST BROUGHT INFORMATION UP.
I WAS KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT, AND I HAVE ISSUE WITH TRUCKS COMING TO HUBER HEIGHTS, BUT I'VE BEEN HERE 40 YEARS AND THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF TRUCKS, THEN DIFFERENT AREAS.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE BIG SEMIS COMING THROUGH THIS TOWN, PARKING DIFFERENT AREAS, IT KIND OF GENERATES A PROBLEM WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE ROADS AND ON IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
I LIKE THE IDEA THAT BUCKY'S COMING.
AND I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY TRUCKS INVOLVED WITH THAT BIG SEMIS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH BUCKYS.
AND, AND I'D RATHER SEE IT THE WAY IT'S GONNA GO IN PROPOSED WITHOUT TRUCKING BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE ROADS AND THE AREA AND DEVELOPING HUMAN HEIGHTS.
COME GROW WITH US IN A GREAT STATEMENT.
IT'S, IT'S WONDERFUL WE'RE GROWING, BUT I'VE SEEN WHAT SEMIS AND OTHER TRUCKS CAN DO IN ROADS, IN CITY RIGHTS, SO I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.
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WE'LL, WE'LL JUMP BACK TO THE CITIZEN'S COMMENTS HERE.UH, I'D LIKE TO GET INTO SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, THIS SEAT NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND ID TO THE FOLLOWING EVIDENCE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? PLEASE BE SEATED.
WHEN THE TIME COMES AND YOU DO STEP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGNING SHEET PROVIDED.
LET'S GO BACK TO CITIZEN'S COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT'S NOT
PENDING BUSINESS IS A MINOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT PENDING ARCHITECTS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE FOR INSTALLATION OF A NEW HE STOP TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING HEALTH CENTER.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 87 0 1 ROY PIPE, MC 23 DASH 20.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AARON SORO.
SO THE, UH, SITE IS THREE ACRES CURRENTLY ZONED IN PUBLIC, PLANNED AND PRIVATE BUILDINGS.
UH, THE EXISTING LAND USE IS THE HEALTHCARE FACILITY.
UH, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO THE NORTH, UH, PLANNED OFFICE, PLANNED COMMERCIAL TO THE EAST.
UH, TO THE WEST IS, IS MORE PLANNED, UH, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BUILDINGS, WHICH IS A REHAB CENTER.
UH, KNOW THE SOUTH IS PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
SO AS YOU MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS TO HAVE A APPROVAL OF MINOR CHANGE TO INSTALL A 45 FOOT BY 45 FOOT.
HE STOP FOR OCCASIONAL USE, MAINLY FOR THE TRANSPORT OF PATIENTS, UM, WHERE AMBULANCE JUST ISN'T, UH, AVAILABLE OR FAST ENOUGH.
UH, THE SITE WILL BE IN THE REAR OF THE MEDICAL CENTER, SORT OF JUST TO THE, UH, EAST OF THE BULB OF THE CUL-DE-SAC WHERE THE ARROW IS.
THERE'S THE REHAB CENTER, UH, IMMEDIATELY TO THE, TO THE WEST.
UH, THIS IS A PICTURE OF, UM, A SIMILAR FACILITY IN FRANKLIN.
UM, KETTERING HEALTH IS PUTTING, UH, ALL STOPS AT MOST ALL OF THEIR FACILITIES.
UH, THIS IS THE TYPE OF LIGHTING, UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY FLUSH MOUNTED, UH, JUST THERE TO ILLUMINATE THE, THE LANDING PAD, UH, WHEN USE.
UH, SO THERE'S A PICTURE OF WHAT ONE OF THE, UH, THE LANDING LIGHTS LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S ON THE PERIMETER OF THE, OF THE CONCRETE HELIPAD.
SO AS FAR AS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN ANALYSIS, UH, IT, THE USE HOSPITALS ARE PERMITTED USE IN THIS DISTRICT.
AND HEA STOPS OR HELIPADS ARE, UH, A COMMON ACCESSORY USE.
UH, AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE ADDITION MEETS ALL THE SETBACK AND YARD REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT'S NECESSARY.
UH, AND THE LIGHTING IS DESIGNED ONLY TO ILLUMINATE THE LANDING AREA AND SHOULD NOT, UH, BE AN ISSUE FOR THE REHAB CENTER TO THE WEST.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MINOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH NO CONDITIONS.
UM, QUESTIONS FOR ME? YEAH, THERE WAS, UH, ONE EMAIL THAT WAS, UH, RECEIVED.
DO WE HAVE THAT EMAIL? THAT, UH, UH, I THINK THAT WAS A MISTAKE ON MY STAFF REPORT.
UM, YEAH, NO, WE DID NOT GET ANY, ANY OPPOSITION TO THE, UH, TO THIS, UM, PROPOSAL.
UH, BACK KETTERING MET WITH THE, UH, THE FOLKS AT THE REHAB CENTER, AND THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE.
SORRY, THAT'S A TYPO, UH, FROM MY STAFF REPORT.
MS. VARGO, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME APPROXIMATELY HOW OFTEN THESE HELICOPTERS WILL BE COMING IN? IS IT GONNA BE DAILY? IS IT GONNA BE WEEKLY, MONTHLY? UH, SO THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR THAT, UH, IN OUR DISCUSSION, IT IS, UH, VERY RARELY.
UH, SO REALLY WHEN A PATIENT, UH, NEEDS A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE THAN COULD BE, UH, ADMINISTERED HERE LOCALLY, THEY WOULD BE FLOWN TO ANOTHER FACILITY, UH, I WOULD SAY MONTHLY AT THE MOST.
UM, BUT, BUT THE APPLICANT'S HERE FOR THOSE KIND OF DETAILS.
I KNOW THAT THERE WAS CONCERN THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE A, A MIAMI VALLEY HOSPITAL WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, A HELICOPTER STATIONED THERE ALL THE TIME AND LIVING RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THAT.
IT'S, IT'S QUITE OFTEN THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE.
I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THAT IN OUR RECORD, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING IN EVERY DAY, UH, TO DISRUPT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA.
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RIGHT.BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED IN OUR AREA, AND WE'LL HAVE IT NEARBY FOR EMERGENCIES.
YEAH, I COULD ALSO SEE IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT ON 70 WHERE IT IS NOT, UH, APPROPRIATE FOR A HELICOPTER TO LAND EITHER ON OR ADJACENT TO THE HIGHWAY, THIS IS PROBABLY THE CLOSEST PLACE THAT, UH, THAT THEY COULD GO, YOU KNOW, QUESTION MR. CASON, ARE WE GONNA LOSE SOME TREES THERE ON THAT? UH, THE WESTERN EDGE OF THAT? THERE MAY BE SOME, UH, TREES THAT NEED TO BE TRIMMED UP AT THE BULB OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, BUT THERE, THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY REMOVED REMOVALS NECESSARY.
AND IS THERE GONNA BE A FENCE OR ANY KIND OF DEMARCATION AROUND? I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT ONE.
I MEAN, UNLESS YOU'RE LOOKING OVER, IT WILL LOOK LIKE THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MAYOR NIXON? JUST, THIS IS GONNA BE FOR THE MOST EMERGENT TRANSPORTS NEEDED.
NOT, HEY, IF, IF AN AMBULANCE CAN DO IT, IT'S, THEY'RE GOING IN AN AMBULANCE.
RIGHT? THIS IS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT NEED RAPID TRANSPORT URGENT CARE IMMEDIATELY, OR URGENT CARE, I WOULD ASSUME.
HELICOPTER TRAVEL'S EXPENSIVE, SO I MAKE, UNLESS THEY KNOW VALET SERVICE, I WOULD MAKE THAT EVERYBODY GO SOME OTHER WAY.
SO THERE'S NO WAY TO PUT A NUMBER ON IT, BUT THAT, THAT TO ME IS THE NUMBER AS NEEDED FOR THE MOST E MERCHANT TRANSPORT WHEN ON WHEN AN AMBULANCE ISN'T QUITE FAST ENOUGH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, I AM THE APPLICANT.
MIKE TAYLOR, CLINICAL ARCHITECT, VICE PRESIDENT, FOUR 80 VANTAGE POINT, MIAMISBURG, OHIO.
UM, MR. RELL PRETTY WELL, STU SUMMED IT UP.
ONLY A FEW ARE PLANNED PER MONTH.
AND IT, AND IT IS THE CRITICALLY ILL, WHEN, WHEN SECONDS AMENDMENTS COUNT, UH, ONE OF THEIR PATIENTS WOULD GO CRITICALLY ILL THE QUICKEST WAY TO ONE OF THE MAJOR HEART OPERATING HOSPITALS OR TRAUMA CENTERS WOULD BE BY THE HELICOPTER.
AND, AND YES, THEY'RE GONNA USE THE E M SS EVERY OTHER TIME.
UM, ONE, ONE THING THEY DO USE MEDFLIGHT AS THEIR TRANSPORT PROVIDER.
THEY USE EC ONE 30 HELICOPTERS, WHICH ARE THE, THE, UH, QUIETEST AVAILABLE.
YOU TALKED ABOUT MIAMI VALLEY.
THAT'S THE, THE CARE FLIGHT HOT HELICOPTER IS TWICE AS LONG AND THREE TIMES LOUDER.
UH, BUT YEAH, THESE, THESE ARE FANTASTIC.
WE'VE DONE SEVERAL FOR, FOR KETER HEALTH, AND, AND AS MR. RELL SAID, THIS WILL HELP THEM AT ALL OF THEIR MAJOR OFF OFFSITE FACILITIES, COMBINE EVERYBODY WITH THE TRANSPORT CAPABILITY.
UH, AND AS MR. RELL SAID, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE, THE DIRECTOR AND, UH, MANAGER OF THE ED HERE WITH ME.
WE HAVE THE FACILITIES DIRECTOR, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM, PLEASE, PLEASE ASK.
BUT THEY DID SPEAK WITH, SPEAK WITH MR. WOLF, THE ADMINISTRATOR AT THE REHAB CENTER.
HE'S, UH, DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, HAS NO ISSUES WITH IT, COMPLETELY OPEN, NO FENCE.
THEY HAVE A, A PROCEDURE WHERE WHEN THEY HAVE INCOMING CALL, THEY HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO COME TO THE SITE, PREPARE IT, MAKE SURE NOBODY'S THERE.
WE HAVE WARNING SIGNS AROUND IT.
AND OF COURSE THAT DOESN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM COMING IN.
BUT, UH, PRETTY MUCH JUST TO TAKE TRANSPORT OUT UNLESS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A OCCASIONAL I 70 ISSUE, MR.
SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US OR ANY OF THE STAFF THERE, OR THE VIDEO HERE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE EVIDENCE? I'M ASSUMING THAT THE HELICOPTER WILL NOT BE LOCATED IN HUBER HEIGHT.
IT WILL BE COMING FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND IT'S, THAT'S WHY WE, IT'S A HELLA STOP, NOT A HELIPAD.
THERE'S NO FUELING, THERE'S NO STORAGE OF, OF HELICOPTERS.
THANK YOU FOR THE ROUTES THAT YOU'D BE FLYING IN AND OUT OF HERE.
IS THERE ANY CONCERN FROM THE PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT, ANY F A A CLEARANCE THAT YOU DO? HOW DOES THAT DECISION GET MADE? NO, THAT'S GOOD QUESTIONS.
WE, AND, AND WE ACTUALLY HAD MEDFLIGHT OFFICIALS IN HERE BECAUSE WE, WE HAD TO GET IT,
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UH, APPROVED BY F A A AND WE, WE SENT 'EM THE COORDINATES AND, UH, THERE WAS NO PROBLEMS WITH THAT THERE.THEY, THEY LOOKED AT THE LANDING TAKE TAKEOFF ZONE, THE, THE ANGLES.
THEY, THEY ASKED US TO ADD A COUPLE OF, IT'S TWO STORIES THERE, THE FACILITY IN THE MIDDLE.
WE HAD SOME, SOME OF THE RED WARNING LIGHTS THAT FLASH.
BUT NO, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE CHECKED ALL THAT OUT AND THEY HAD NO ISSUES.
WOULD THERE BE ANY ISSUES WITH THE WINDOW LACING FOR EITHER YOUR FACILITY OR THE FACILITY THERE OR THE ONE ADJACENT? UH, NOT, NOT AS FAR AWAY AS THIS WILL BE.
UM, WHEN SOMETIMES, UH, WHEN WE HAVE HAVE ONE THAT'S CLOSE TO A FACILITY OR CLOSE TO A PARKING LOT, WE'LL PUT STRAPS AROUND IT BECAUSE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE YOU WILL GET SOME ERR ROCKS.
BUT LUCKILY, ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE MEDICAL CENTER IN THIS LOCATION, THERE'S VERY FEW WINDOWS.
IT'S BRICK, UH, AND WE'RE VERY FAR AWAY FROM THE REHAB CENTER CENTER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE AFFIDAVIT? THANK YOU, SIR.
DO, DO I NEED TO SIGN IN? YES, APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON MS. ZONING CASE? HEARING NONE MORE TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ISSUES? IS THERE A MOTION TO REQUEST BY APPLICANT THE PINNACLE ARCHITECTS FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE FOR INSTALLATION OF THE NEW HILL STOP TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING HEALTH CENTER.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED 87 0 1 ROY PIKE CASE MC 23 DASH 20 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STATUS MEMORANDUM DATED AUGUST 8TH, 2023 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERETO BY MS. THOMAS.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES? SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. CASSIDY? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, MR. TAYLOR WILL SUBMIT, UH, UH, ZONING PERMIT, APPLICATION AND PLANS TO MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IS FLYING ACE CAR WASH IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A NEW CAR.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 77 30 BRAND PIKE, D D P 23 DASH 21, MR. OKAY.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, FLYING ACE, UH, CAR WASH FACILITY ON BRANT PIKE.
UH, THE SITE IS 1.55 ACRES, CURRENTLY ZONE PLAN COMMERCIAL.
IT'S ONE OF THE OUT PARCELS OF THE WALMART, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS LARGELY, UH, PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
THERE'S A B THREE TO THE, UH, SOUTH AND R FOUR TO THE, TO THE WEST, UH, SORRY, THE BE THREE EAST TO THE NORTH.
UH, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS, UH, APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY.
UH, THIS IS THE SITE, UH, THERE'S WALMART TO THE EAST, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, ACROSS FROM, UH, RAMP PIKE TO THE, UH, TO THE WEST.
UH, THERE'S LOT WATSON'S, UH, POOL AREA, UH, AND THEN, UH, BOB EVANS TO THE, TO THE SOUTH.
SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE THAT NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED, UH, SINCE THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE, UH, THE, UH, BOTTOM ILLUSTRATION IS WHAT WILL FACE, UH, BRAND PIKE.
UH, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, UH, LARGELY REUSING MOST OF THE, OF THE FLAT WORK, UH, WHERE THE FIFTH THIRD BANK BUILDING IS.
THE BANK WILL BE DEMOLISHED, BUT, UH, WHAT MOSTLY THE FOUNDATION, UH, AND SOME OF THE TRAVEL LANES WILL BE REUSED.
MOST OF THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPING WILL ALSO BE REUSED AS WELL AS THE ACCESS POINT OFF OF, UH, CEDAR HILL DRIVE.
ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS THE INSTALLATION OF A SWING GATE ALONG CEDAR HILL DRIVE.
SO THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS REVISED THE SITE PLAN TO, TO SHOW THAT, UH, IN CASE OF, UH, WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HANDFUL OF DAYS AFTER A HEAVY SNOW, WHEN IT'S NICE OUT, AND THAT THESE, UH, FACILITIES GET, UH, A LOT OF USE.
SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BLOCK TRAFFIC.
UM, THEY WILL ALSO HAVE, UH, PEOPLE OUT ON CEDAR HILL DRIVE DIRECTING PEOPLE TO, TO MOVE ON SO THAT WE DON'T
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GET STACKING EITHER ON CEDAR HILL OR, UH, MORE IMPORTANTLY, NOT INTO THE GRANT PIKE INTERSECTION.SO, AS FAR AS THE APPLICABLE, UH, OR THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN ANALYSIS, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THE THE SINGLE CONDITION WAS THE GATE TO BE INSTALLED.
SEAVILLE DRIVE THAT IS IN IS INCLUDED AND ILLUSTRATED ON THE SITE PLAN.
UH, THE LANDSCAPING, UH, CONFORMS TO, UM, THE ZONING CODE.
THEY ARE USING LARGELY EXISTING, UH, PERIMETER LANDSCAPING.
THEY ARE AUGMENTING IT WITH, UM, NEW PARKING LOT SHADE TREES, NEW PLANTING BEDS OF, OF GOLDEN SPIA ALONG THE WEST EDGE OF THE SITE.
AND THEN NEW, UH, JUNIPER BUSHES ALONG THE DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN AROUND SOME OF THE, UM, UH, MECHANICAL, UH, FEATURES, UH, THE OPEN SPACE IS ACTUALLY INCREASING ON THIS SITE 'CAUSE THEY ARE TEARING OUT SOME OF THE FLAT WORK FOR THE BANK.
SO IT INCREASES FROM 39% TO 42%, WHICH CONFORMS TO THE ZONING CODE.
UH, THEY DON'T NEED TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL STORM WATER.
UH, MANAGEMENT SINCE THE OPEN SPACE IS, UH, IS ACTUALLY INCREASING, UH, STREET TREES, UH, ARE, ARE THERE, UH, THEY'RE EXISTING TREES, WHICH WILL REMAIN A MEET CODE.
UH, AND AS FAR AS PERIMETER PARKING AREA LANDSCAPING, UH, AGAIN, UH, THE APPLICANT'S KEEPING MUCH OF THAT EXISTING MATURE LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN, UH, GAPS ARE BEING FILLED IN WITH NEW GERM JUNIPER, UH, BUSHES AND GOLD PYRIA.
UH, THIS IS THE, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UH, THE FAR, THE, THE DARKER ELEMENTS ARE THE NEW PLANTINGS.
UH, SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR WEST EDGE THERE IS A NEW PLANTING BED.
THE FURTHER, UH, BUFFER THE SITE BETWEEN, UH, RAMP PIKE AND, UH, AND THE ACTUAL CAR WASH FACILITY.
UH, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, UH, THE PERIMETER PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT LARGELY THE EXISTING MATURE, UM, LANDSCAPING WILL TO REMAIN.
AS FAR AS LIGHTING, UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE REUSING THE EXISTING LIGHT POLES AND, AND, UH, LUMINARIES, WHICH WE CODE THE MECHANICALS AND STORAGE AREAS ARE SCREENED APPROPRIATELY.
UH, AND THE ARCHITECTURE IS A MIXTURE OF, UH, BRICK, UH, AND GLASS.
THE BUILDING AND THE TUNNEL ITSELF IS ORIENTED AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO, TO MINIMIZE THE NOISE FROM THE, UH, FROM THE WASH FACILITY.
UH, AND THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING STANDARDS IN OUR ZONING CODE.
AS FAR AS PARKING, THE CODE REQUIRES FOUR EMPLOYEE SPACES AND TWO SPACES FOR DRYING OR FINISHING.
UH, AND THEN 15 WAITING SPACES.
THE SITE PLAN HAS FOUR EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACES, ONE HANDICAP SPACE, 20 VACUUM SPACES FOR DRYING AND FINISHES.
UM, WHILE THE, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN DOES NOT ENUMERATE ALL OF THE, THE WEIGHTING AND QUEUING SPACES, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED INDICATED 51 QUEUING SPACES, UM, AT THE, AT THE, UH, SORT OF THE HEIGHT OF, OF POSSIBLE STACKING, UH, CIRCULATION PLAN FOR THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS IDENTICAL TO WHAT YOU SAW FOR THE BASIC.
UH, AND STAFF FEELS THAT THE NUMBER OF WAITING SPACES AND QUEUING, UH, AREAS IS ADEQUATE AND MEETS, UH, THE CODE.
THIS IS THE QUEUING ON A NORMAL DAY.
UH, THIS IS ABOUT 30, THIS 31, UM, CARS, UH, THIS IS YOUR TYPICAL, UM, TUNNEL TYPE OF, UH, CAR WASH, WHICH THEY CAN PROCESS ABOUT ONE CAR, I BELIEVE ONE CAR A MINUTE OR SO AT ONE CAR EVERY TWO MINUTES.
UH, ON THE HEAVY DAYS, THEY CAN DOUBLE STACK THE ENTRANCE AS FAR AS QUEUING AND GET UP TO 50, UH, 51 VEHICLES, UM, ON THOSE VERY HEAVY DAYS IN THE, IN THE FALL, OR I'M SORRY, IN THE, IN THE LATE WINTER.
UH, AS FAR AS SIGNS, THE UH, ZONING CODE SUGGESTS UP TO 150 SQUARE FOOT OF WALL SIGNAGE AND NO MORE THAN FOUR WALL SIGNS.
UH, THE ELEVATIONS INCLUDE TWO TRADITIONAL WALL SIGNS AND A MURAL.
UH, THE TWO WALL SIGNS ARE APPROXIMATELY 50 SQUARE FEET, TOTALING A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.
THE MURAL IS, UH, ROUGHLY 288 SQUARE FEET AND ONLY VISIBLE DURING OPERATING HOURS.
THE SHUTTERS CLOSE, UH, AND HIDE THE MURAL, UH, WHEN DURING OFF HOURS.
STAFF FEELS THAT THIS MURAL ACTUALLY ADDS VISUAL INTEREST TO THE BUILDING EXTERIOR AND, AND RECOMMENDS THAT THAT IT REMAIN.
UH, AS FAR AS THE GROUND SIGN, THE APPLICANT IS PLANNING TO REUSE THE EXISTING MONUMENT SIGN BASE, UH, AND INSTALL A SIGN WITH SIMILAR HEIGHT TO THE FIFTH, THIRD, UH, SIGN.
UH, SO THE ACTUAL SIGN IN BASE IS, IS ABOUT SEVEN FOOT SIX INCHES.
IT'S ON A SLOPE, UH, AND MEASURED AT THE, UH, AT ITS LOWEST POINT.
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UH, IT IS ROUGHLY SIX FEET TALL, UH, WHICH, WHICH MEETS CODE.UH, YOU CAN SEE THE TWO WALL SIGNS AT THE END OF EACH TUNNEL, UH, EACH SIDE OF THE TUNNEL, UH, AS WELL AS THE, UH, GROUND MONUMENT SIGN.
UH, AND THEN THEY SEE THE MURAL AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF THE ILLUSTRATION.
UH, AND LIKE I SAID, THOSE, UH, BARN DOORS ARE SHUTTERS, UH, CLOSE.
WHEN THE FACILITY IS, UH, IN NON OPERATION, UH, FIRE AND ENGINEERING HAVE APPROVED THE PLAN.
UH, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION CONFORMS WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
UH, IT ALSO CONFORMS WITH ALL RELEVANT ZONING REGULATIONS, INCLUDING LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, PARKING, AND ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.
STAFF STRONGLY BELIEVES THAT A SECOND LOCATION WILL REDUCE THE CONGESTION ISSUES THAT, THAT OCCASIONALLY PLAGUE MERRILY WAY.
UH, AND IT IS STAFF'S OPINION THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 1170 1.09 HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION SUBMITTED ON JULY 27TH.
UM, QUESTIONS MADE, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF CAPTAIN AARON.
QUESTION LAST TIME THIS CAME UP IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT LEFT TURN ONTO CEDAR HILL DRIVE FROM THE EXIT.
ARE WE, ARE WE BARRING THAT LEFT TURN OR IS THAT AN OPTION UNDER THE CURRENT PLAN? OH, UH, SO THIS IS THE EXACT TRANSFER, THE EXACT, UH, TRAVEL PATTERN THAT EXISTS TODAY AND EXISTED WITH FIFTH OR FIFTH.
UH, THE ENGINEER HAD NO ISSUES WITH, WITH CHANGING THAT, UH, WITH CHANGING THAT AROUND.
I THINK ON THOSE HEAVY DAYS, THOSE LEFT HAND TURNS ON CEDARVILLE DRIVE WITH THE EXISTING TRAFFIC FLOW THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.
I THINK IT'S A REAL BROAD, SO ON THE HEAVY DAY, SO THIS SHOWS THE HEAVY DAY, UM, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WHEN THERE IS A HEAVY DAY, UH, THE TRAFFIC WILL EXIT FROM THE SOUTH ENTRANCE AND THEN GO INTO THE, BASICALLY THE WALMART AREA AND EITHER HEAD NORTH AND OUT AT THE LIGHT OR HEAD SOUTH, UH, TOWARDS, UH, TAYLORSVILLE.
IT'S THE, THE 31 STACK WHERE THEY CAN EXIT AND THEN MAKE A LEFT.
THIS IS THE ONE, UH, WHERE I HAVE, I HAVE REAL CONCERNS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT MOVES THROUGH THERE.
YOU'VE GOT STONE HURST DRIVE COMING YEAH.
UM, OFF TO THE, THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THAT.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT STONE HURST ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT DOESN'T EVEN LINED UP PROPERLY.
THAT INTERSECTION IS JUST, IT'S DELICATE AND I DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT THAT FLOW.
SO THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE, UM, ONE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, BASICALLY MAKE THEM, UH, TAKE THAT OUT, UH, IF THIS EVER BECAME A PROBLEM, UH, OR THAT CAN BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT IF THE LEFT TURNS BECOME AN ISSUE, THAT WE WILL ADDRESS IT ACCORDINGLY WITH THE, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT.
AT THE TIME, I DON'T SEE IT BEING AN ISSUE, EXCEPT ESPECIALLY ON THE HEAVY DAYS WHEN THE, UH, DOUBLE STACKING OCCURS.
ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC WILL EXIT TO THE SOUTH.
UM, BUT WE CERTAINLY ARE MINDFUL OF THAT AND, UM, CAN ADDRESS THAT IF IT BECOMES A PROBLEM.
MS. VARGA, I WANT TO YOU TO CON IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CONFIRM THAT THE ENTRANCE BETWEEN THIS LOCATION AND BOB EVANS WILL REMAIN OPEN.
AND IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO WHEN YOU SAY THE SOUTH ENTRANCE? YES.
UM, THERE IS, SO THE SOUTH ENTRANCE OR EXIT, THERE IS A CROSS AXIS AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, BETWEEN BOB EVANS AND THIS PROPERTY.
SO IT CAN'T BE CLOSED FOR EITHER, EITHER OF 'EM.
AND SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO ALWAYS USE THE SOUTH ENTRANCE? NO, MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO NOT PERMIT THE LEFT HAND TURN ON THE CEDAR HILL SO THEY CAN COME OUT HERE TO THE RIGHT.
OR THEY COULD COME OUT, UM, INTO THAT WALMART PARKING LOT THIS WAY.
SO THE ONLY THING THEY COULDN'T DO IS EVEN LEFT HERE.
IF I HAVE A GOOD PICTURE OF IT.
UM, I THINK THE LAST THING THAT WE WANT TO DO IS CREATE MORE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAN WE ALREADY HAVE.
AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO AVOID THAT, WE NEED TO DO IT AT THIS LEVEL AND NOT LET IT GET TO THE POINT THAT YOU COME BACK TO US AND SAY, OOPS, WE NEED TO FIX IT.
IS THERE SOME SOMETHING WE CAN DO NOW THAT WILL AVOID THAT? WELL, I MEAN, IF THE APPLICANT'S HERE, UM, THE, WHAT WE COULD DO IS BASICALLY
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POST NO LEFT TURN.I MEAN IT'S, IT'S ANGLED FOR A RIGHT TURN ONLY.
UM, AND, AND WE CAN, UM, EMPHASIZE THAT WITH ADDITIONAL POSTINGS AND SIGNAGE.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO REMOVE THAT, UH, OUT THAT, UH, DRIVEWAY MOUTH.
I THINK THAT WILL CAUSE ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS. UM, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD SIGNAGE TO THAT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADD SIGNAGE TO RIGHT TURN ONLY, THAT MEANS YOU CANNOT GO STRAIGHT ACROSS INTO WHAT WE'LL CALL, UH, WAFFLE HOUSE PARKING LOT, PERIOD.
I MEAN, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS PEOPLE WILL TURN RIGHT AND THEN THEY WILL DO A U-TURN AROUND THE, UM, THE MEDIAN AND COME BACK IF THEY PAY ATTENTION TO THE SIGN
I THINK WHAT MR. CASSIDY'S ALLUDING TO AS WELL, THE TEMPORARY EXIT ZONE, IF THAT'S THE ALWAYS EXIT THAT FUNNELS ALL THE TRAFFIC TO THAT SOUTH EDGE TO THEN DISPERSE RIGHT AND LEFT WITHOUT EVER RISKING CEDAR HILL BLOCK AND BACK UP.
'CAUSE WHERE THAT IS, IS NOT A NATURAL THREE OR FOUR WAY STOP.
THE STOP IS A, A GOOD DISTANCE FROM THAT.
UH, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AREA IS CLEARLY STRIPED AND ASSIGNED WITH FRESH SIGNAGE AND FRESH PAINT ON THE GROUND IF WHATEVER HAPPENS TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE SIGNAGE WITH A, A HEAVY ENFORCEMENT OF BLOCKING THE INTERSECTION OF A MINIMUM FINE OF SOME KIND.
BECAUSE IF WE EVER GET ONE CAR BACKED UP ON THE RAMP PIKE, WE SHOULD HAVE NEVER LET THIS OPEN.
AND I DO STILL BELIEVE THE TEMPORARY EXIT AT THE BACK, THAT'S THE EXIT ONLY, THAT FIXES A LOT OF THE PROBLEM.
AND THE CARS ARE ALREADY THERE, BUT THEY'RE LITERALLY BYPASSING THAT TO GO BACK UP TO THE PROBLEM WE'RE DISCUSSING.
I THINK THE NATURAL FLOW AND WE CAN HAVE THEM STRIPE IT APPROPRIATELY THAT THE NATURAL EXIT IS RIGHT THERE.
IT'S THE ONE YOU'RE GONNA SEE.
SO THAT, AND THAT TAKES AWAY THE OTHER STUFF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IF THEY'RE JUST NOT ALLOWED TO JUST GIVE, GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE, THEY'LL FIND A WAY TO LET US DOWN.
SO WE JUST TAKE THAT OPTION AWAY AND MAKE THAT THE EXIT ONLY.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD HELP.
SO I THINK THERE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT ELIMINATING, UM, PROBABLY BOTH MILES ON SIERRA.
OH, I'M NOT SAYING ELIMINATING, I'M SAYING TELLING 'EM THE CARS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO.
THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY THAT THE ROAD GOES.
WE CAN, WE CAN ALTER, WE CAN ALTER THE, THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS.
AND THEN THE, YOU MENTIONED FIRE, SO REMEMBER AT THE, IN LATER STAGES, AT THE LAST PHASE AS WELL, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS WITH FIRE ABOUT THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS.
HAVE WE GOTTEN THAT TAKEN CARE OF HERE? YEAH.
SO, UM, IF YOU CAN SEE THE CURSOR, WHAT WASN'T ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS THIS, UH, THIS NEW PAVEMENT ADDITION.
UH, WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTED WAS THE ABILITY TO, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DIVERSE TRAVERSE ALL THE, THE PERIMETER WITH ALL OF THE CARS, THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GET IN IMMEDIATELY TO THE TUNNEL BECAUSE THEY HAD A CAR, I BELIEVE IN RIVERSIDE CATCH ON FIRE.
UH, SO THEY WANTED TO BE, HAVE BETTER ACCESS.
SO THIS LITTLE AREA RIGHT HERE, WHAT ASSAULT THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ISSUE.
THEN ON THE GATE, AGAIN, THE, THE, IT SAYS SWING GATE ON HERE AGAIN.
AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THE LAST MEETING AS WELL.
IT WOULD BE MORE OF A ROLLING GATE THAT WASN'T LITERALLY SWINGING OUT BECAUSE THE ROLLING GATE COULD BE LANDSCAPED AROUND.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A BIG OLD METAL GATE JUST HANGING OUT THERE AT THE FRONT.
SO IT IS, IT'S A, IT'S A BI-FOLD GATE.
SO THERE'S SMALLER, IT'S A SWINGING AND INSTEAD OF THE ROLL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT YEAH.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ONE WE TALKED ABOUT? BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE COULD LANDSCAPE BOTH SIDES OF IT AND IT WOULDN'T BE SOME BIG METAL HANGING GATE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS, IS, I'M NOT SURE I HAVE A, I'M NOT SURE THE APPLICANT HAS A A, UH, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A, A A A DOUBLE SWING GATE.
THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN WHAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HALF THE SIZE ON EACH SIDE.
THEN WHAT A, UH, ROLL GATE WOULD BE.
UM, AND I DO, I KNOW IT'S NOT IN HERE, BUT I, I STILL HAVE CONCERNS ON THAT OTHER PIECE THAT'S NOT COVERED WITH THE GATE.
THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, SIDE OF THAT LITTLE PORK CHOP, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT SIDE, WOULD NOT BE GATED.
SO PEOPLE, I I JUST KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF THEY'RE GONNA DRIVE PAST THE ONE THAT IS CLOSED AND THEN TRY TO TURN INTO THE ONE THAT'S NOT CLOSED.
WHICH, AGAIN, I WORRY ABOUT BACKING TRAFFIC
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UP.SO, UM, THE, THE OPERATION PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT, THAT THE OPERATOR HAS IS TO HAVE PEOPLE POSTED THERE TO KEEP THEM FROM TURNING INTO THAT SECOND, MY, MY WORD IS ENFORCEMENT AFTER THE FACT.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT IS OUR PROBLEM AND WE HAVE NO STRENGTH OR NO TEETH AT THAT POINT.
WE'RE, WE'RE, THEY'RE IN CHARGE OF THAT.
ALSO, THE GATE IS GONNA BE FAR ENOUGH IN, I WOULD PREFER THAT PART OF THEIR PLAN IS TO PUT CONES OUT AT THE FRONT SO THAT CARS SEE BEFORE THEY GET INTO THE GATE.
AND THAT IS THEIR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.
THOSE ARE ALL THE SAME CONCERNS I HAVE IN THE LAST ONE.
I MEAN, NONE OF THIS TO ME, MY SIDE, MS. FARGO, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT YOU INDICATED HERE THAT ON THAT SOUTH ENTRANCE OR EXIT, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, THAT IT SAYS IT'S COMBED OFF AND IT'S A TEMPORARY EXIT ONLY SIGNAGE.
SO PEOPLE CAN COME, THEY CAN GO IN THAT WAY, BUT THEY CAN'T GO OUT THAT WAY.
I DON'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE.
SO WHEN SENSE, WHEN YOU GET TO THIS POINT OF WHERE ON THOSE VERY HEAVY DAYS, THEY COULD NOT USE THIS BOTTOM PART AS AN ENTRANCE, UH, ANY OTHER DAY WHEN THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, 30 CARS IN THE, IN THE QUEUE, THEY COULD USE THIS AS AN ENTRANCE AND JUST POP IN.
UM, BUT ON THE HEAVY DAYS, THIS WILL BE CONED OFF SO THAT IT'S AN EXIT ONLY AND NOT AN ENTRANCE OF THE SOUTH.
AND WHO WILL CONTROL THAT? THE OPERATOR.
THE, THE, THE TEAM ON DUTY AT THE TIME.
ANY OTHER MR. JEFFRIES ON THAT, SINCE THERE IS ENTRANCE ALLOWED INTO THAT AREA? I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HANDFUL OF DAYS, BUT THE, JUST TO CONFIRM, THERE IS NOT GONNA BE STACKING TO ENTER AT THAT ANGLE THAT STACKS OUT THROUGH THAT EASEMENT OF ABOVE EVANS INTO THE WALMART PARKING LOT.
'CAUSE I KNOW AT ONE POINT THAT WAS DISCUSSED, I WANNA BE CLEAR, THAT IS OFF THE TABLE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BUS ROUTE.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF REASONS NOT TO DO IT THAT WAY.
MY, MY BIG CONCERN IS THE SAME THING MR. CASSIDY SAID.
IF WE'D RUN INTO ANY ISSUE AFTER THE FACT AT THAT EXIT, WE'RE KIND OF STUCK.
WE CAN'T GO BACK AND FIX IT, BUT IT'S A LOT HARDER TO FIX IT THEN IF WE CAN FIX IT.
AND I KNOW IT WOULD TAKE A SEASON TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I THINK THIS SITE IS A LOT EASIER TO FIX IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THAN THE MERRILY WAY SITE.
WHICH ONE WAY IN ONE A OUT THIS HAS GIVES US A LOT OF OPTIONS.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIKE TO DO THINGS AFTER THE FACT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS DOES BECOME AN ISSUE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADDRESS IT.
UM, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS I HEARD THOUGH, WAS TO UPDATE THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS TO REINFORCE THAT EXIT TO THE SOUTH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST LIKE TO CONFIRM ONE THING.
THIS, THE BASIC PLAN WAS APPROVED BY COUNSEL.
SO NOW WE'RE ONLY OKAY, THANK YOU.
SO FURTHER TO THE, THE MARKINGS, JUST TO CONFIRM, SO WE ARE GONNA DO SIGNAGE THEN AT THAT, LET'S CALL IT THAT EASTERN MOST OUTLET TO CEDAR HILL RIGHT? TURN ONLY.
COULD WE ALSO PUT A SIGN AT THE BOB EVANS WALMART OUTLET TO SAY EXIT? IT WOULDN'T BE THE ONLY EXIT, BUT IT MIGHT DIRECT MORE PEOPLE THAT WAY.
SO WHAT WHAT I'M THINKING IS THAT THE, WE WILL HAVE A, UH, A MORE ROBUST PAVEMENT MARKING SYSTEM HERE THAT NATURALLY DIRECTS PEOPLE TO GO TO THE SOUTH RATHER THAN CONTINUE, UH, NORTHWARD.
WE'LL, WE WILL WORK WITH THEM ON THE, ON THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE FOR THAT.
AND IT MAY NOT JUST BE PAVEMENT MARKINGS.
WE MAY DO SOME ACTUAL DIRECTIONAL SIGHTING.
UH, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE SOMETHING HERE AT THE CORNER, SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AN ARROW DIRECTING 'EM TO THE SOUTH AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW,
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ON PAVEMENT STRIPING.WHAT WOULD BE YOUR CONCERN IF WE DID THE PLASTIC BOWLERS THAT ARE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF STARBUCKS? WE DID THAT TO PREVENT THE LEFT HAND TURN.
UM, TWO, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH TRAFFIC THAT I THINK IS GONNA GONNA REQUIRE IT.
I THINK IT WILL ALSO IMPEDE, UH, POTENTIALLY IMPEDE PUBLIC WORKS, HATES 'EM.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF REASONS NOT TO DO IT.
I MEAN, THEY BECOME PROJECTILES, UH, INTO THE SNOWPLOW.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S LIKE THE, THE PEEL AND STICK CURVING.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF REASONS NOT TO DO IT.
SO YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S BAD.
SO WE HAD A LOT OF THESE SAME CONCERNS AT THE BASIC PLAN AS FAR AS, ESPECIALLY THE CEDAR HILLSIDE.
DID THOSE CONCERNS GO TO OR GET DISCUSSED BY COUNSEL? DID THEY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK OR DID THEY JUST GET THE NOTICE THAT, HEY, WE APPROVED IT 'CAUSE THESE WERE, WE APPROVED IT WITH THESE CONCERNS.
SO I'M CURIOUS WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WERE IN THEIR DISCUSSIONS GOING DEEP IN THE BACK OF THE MEMORY.
UM, I THINK THAT FOR THE MOST PART IT WAS ADDRESSED BY THE, THE, UM, BY THE GATE, THE SWING GATE.
UH, THERE, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN, UH, ABOUT NOT NECESSARILY THE CONCERN ABOUT DRIVING INTO OR ONTO CEDAR HILL DRIVE FROM THE SITE.
UH, THE CONVERSATIONS CAME UP REALLY ABOUT THE WAY CEDAR HILL DRIVE IS ALIGNED AT, UM, BRAND, UH, AND, AND THE, THE AWKWARD, UM, LANE STRIPING.
UH, SO, SO I BELIEVE THAT WAS FIXED.
UH, AND THEN ALSO ONE OF THE RESIDENTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BRAND HAD SOME ISSUES WITH PEOPLE BLOCKING HER, UH, THE DRIVEWAY, THE, THE, THE ACCESS DRIVE.
SO I THINK THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED AS WELL.
BUT WHAT I RECALL THE CONVERSATION WITH, UH, COUNSEL WAS, OOPS, SORRY.
WAS MAINLY THE AWKWARDNESS OF THE ALIGNMENT WHEN YOU WERE TURNING LEFT OR GOING STRAIGHT, THAT THEY DON'T, THAT THOSE TWO LANES DON'T LINE UP WITH THE LANES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF THE STREET.
AND I THINK WE FIXED THAT WITH, UH, WITH PAVEMENT STRIPING.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE OFFSET, WHICH WOULD ALSO ADD TO CLEANING IT UP BY FUNNELING THE EXIT THE OTHER WAY.
THAT'S AN AWKWARD POINT THAT WE MIGHT AS WELL DIVERT TRAFFIC AWAY TO A MORE NATURAL FLOW.
WELL, I, I, THE BIGGER ISSUE I THINK WAS WHEN THE, WHEN IT WAS STRIPED AND THEY WEREN'T LINED UP CORRECTLY, YOU KNOW, THEY STRIKED THE ONE SIDE AND THEN THREE YEARS LATER THEY CAME AND STRIKED THE OTHER SIDE AND THEY JUST, THEY WERE OFF A LITTLE BIT.
I DO STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SWING GATE VERSUS THE ROLL GATE.
I MEAN, WE DID TALK ABOUT VISUALLY HOW THAT WAS GONNA LOOK BEFORE AND TO HAVE IT COME ALL THE WAY AROUND AND NOW WE'RE BACK TO SWING GATE.
WHEN IT WAS A, I I REMEMBER IT WAS A VERY CLEAR DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN LANDSCAPE BOTH SIDES OF IT WAS SHRUBS TO HIDE THE GATE.
THERE WAS A WHOLE CONVERSATION AROUND IT.
AND NOW WE'RE BACK TO THE SWING GATE.
SO, WELL SOME CONCERN HERE IF YOU BRING THAT UP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT FOR, UH, MY NAME IS JAKE MORRISON FROM VANTA ENGINEERING.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, UH, EXPRESS CAR WASH.
THOSE WONDERFUL SUMMARY OF THE SITES AND, UH, THE CHALLENGES THAT IT'S FACING.
UM, AS FAR AS THE GATE ISSUE GOES, I ACTUALLY DID NOT KNOW THAT A ROLL GATE WAS REQUESTED, BUT I THINK THAT'S A FINE ADDITION TO THE PLAN.
WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT AND RUN SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
I THINK THE BEST APPROACH THAT WE CAN TACKLE THE SOLUTION WITH NOW IS SIGNAGE AND STRIPING.
SO I THINK I WILL HAVE TO WORK FURTHER WITH AARON AND, UH, CITY ENGINEERING TO PUT TOGETHER A SIGNAGE AND STRIPING PLAN TO, UH, KIND OF DIVERT TRAFFIC AWAY FROM LEFT TURNS ON THAT NORTH DRIVEWAY AND FUNNEL EXIT TRAFFIC TO THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY TOWARDS THE BOB EVANS PARKING LOT, LIKE WAS DISCUSSED.
UM, SO AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE BEST SOLUTIONS WE CAN COME UP WITH TO THE, TO TACKLE THOSE PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME, I HAPPEN TO ANSWER 'EM.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, SIR? MR. JEFF? ALRIGHT, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU NEED TO COME BACK WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN UPDATE, WHICH
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I, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE.AND THEN IN THE EVENT WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT IT BEING COMPLETELY THE WHOLE AFTER THE FACT ENFORCEMENT, JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU GUYS WILL BE AGREEABLE IMMEDIATELY TO THOSE UPDATES.
IT WON'T BE SOMETHING THAT DRAGS OUT IF WE GET TO THAT.
WE DON'T WANT TO GET TO THAT POINT, BUT YEAH, THIS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BUSIER THAN YOU GUYS THINK.
YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT, AND OUR CLIENT HAS SHOWN US WHAT THEY'RE ON, UM, INTERIOR DATA THAT THEY HAVE FOR THEMSELVES, THAT WITH AN ADDITIONAL SITE GOING IN HERE, IT HELP KIND OF LEVEL OUT TRAFFIC.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE PEAKS THAT YOU SEE IN MERRILL WAY.
IT'LL BE, THE PEAKS IN MERRILL WAY ARE GONNA BE REDUCED AS WELL AS ON THIS SITE.
UM, SO IT WILL HELP REDUCE TRAFFIC OVERALL IN BOTH OF THESE.
BUT YES, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THEY DO HAVE HIGH TRAFFIC VOLUMES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
MR. RELL, UM, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO TABLE NOW OR DO WE WANT TO SOMEHOW PUT THE VERBIAGE UP? SO I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.
UM, THE TWO CONDITIONS THAT I HEARD WAS ONE, UH, INSTALL A ROLL GATE AT THE CEDAR HILL ENTRANCE, UH, AND TWO, UM, WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON, UH, ADDITIONAL DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE TO, UH, REINFORCE EXITING TO THE SOUTH RATHER THAN TO THE NORTH.
IF YOU WANT US TO, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND TABLING TO BRING IT BACK BECAUSE IT'S, THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT, THIS HAS BEEN MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS OF GETTING TO THIS POINT.
I'D BE FINE WITH BRINGING IT BACK QUICKER THAN THE NEXT MEETING IF WE NEED TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
BUT I, YEAH, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE IT WORK FOR THE SEPTEMBER, UH, MEETING, IF THAT'S FINE.
UM, I I THINK THESE ADJUSTMENTS ARE PRETTY MINOR HONESTLY, FOR THE OVERALL PLAN.
I MEAN, I'M OKAY TO PUT IT AS A CONDITION OF THE, OF THE VOTE.
MR.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT ARE THOSE REALLY, REALLY BUSY DAYS.
AND HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE? WE DON'T REALLY KNOW, UH, ON THOSE REALLY BUSY, BUSY DAYS.
I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME ISSUES, BUT MOST OF THE YEAR IT'S NOT GONNA BE THOSE BUSY DAYS.
AND, UH, SO I I, UM, I TEND TO AGREE THAT STAFF SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT A LOT, BUT EITHER WAY IS FINE WITH ME.
MS. THOMAS? UM, I, I'M REALLY GOOD EITHER WAY.
I THINK, UH, FROM ONE PERSPECTIVE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY COME BACK WITH THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE THAT IT'S WHAT WE ARE TRULY LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND NO ADDITIONAL CHANGES HAVE TO BE MADE AND IT, IT TABLED AT THAT POINT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE A MINOR, JUST MINOR CONCERNS OR MINOR CHANGES, MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE WHAT WE ARE, UM, SEEKING OUT.
SO, BUT, UM, SO, SO ONE, ONE COMPROMISE COULD BE, UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY'RE HOT TO DRAW TO GET BUILDING PERMITS ON THIS, UH, WE COULD APPROVE, YOU COULD APPROVE SUBJECT TO, YOU KNOW, THE ROLL GATE IN INSTALLATION AS A CONDITION.
UH, AND THAT THEY COME BACK FOR, UH, APPROVAL ON, UH, PAVEMENT MARKINGS AND DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT THEIR, UH, THEIR BUILDING LIMITS.
THAT WOULD BE THE LAST THING THEY DO.
I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF NOT DELAYING ANY KIND OF BUILDING DURING THE BUILDING SEASON.
SO THERE NOT JUST BE SOMETHING IF YOU PUT IN THE DECISION RECORD IN AMENDMENT.
IT'S MORE OF A CONFIRMATION, BUT THAT WOULD THEY KEEP MOVING FORWARD IN MANNER? CORRECT.
'CAUSE THIS IS ALL STUFF THAT WE'RE A WAYS FROM STRIKING THE OH YEAH.
IS THERE MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT FLYING A CAR WASH FOR A, UH, APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT
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PLAN OF A PROPOSED NEW CAR WASH? PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 77 30 BRAND PI CASE D D P 23 DASH 21 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED AUGUST 9TH, 2023 IN THE AMENDED PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION RECORD.IS THERE SECOND? SECOND BY MS. THOMAS.
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WHAT'S NEXT TO THE APPLICANT? UH, SO THE TWO CONDITIONS THAT YOU JUST VOTED ON WILL BITTY, UH, UH, ROLL GAIN INSTALL AT CEDAR HILL, UH, ROAD.
AND THEN DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, UH, AS FAR AS THE APPLICANT WHO, UH, I'LL GET WITH HIM TOMORROW ON NEXT STEPS.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS REZONING AND, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT THOMAS E DUSA, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN REZONING FROM THE COMMERCIAL V THREE PLAN E I TO CONSTRUCT A TRUCK STOP AND REPAIR FACILITY OF APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES.
PROPERTY LOCATED SOUTHEAST CORNER OF TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD IN ARTS ROAD ZONING, K OR RZ B D P 20, UH, 22 DASH 34.
OKAY, SO THIS ONE DID HAVE QUITE A BIT OF COUNSEL DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, IF YOU ASK ME THAT QUESTION, I REMEMBER ALL OF THE, THE, UH, CONVERSATIONS.
UH, SO THE SITE IS 3.3 ACRES, CURRENTLY ZONED B THREE COMMERCIAL.
UM, CURRENTLY, UH, WELL BEING FARMED FOR, UH, ROW CROPS, UH, TO THE WEST IS ZONED.
I ONE, WELL, IT'S REALLY TO THE WEST AND NORTH IS I ONE, UH, PLANNED COMMERCIAL IS TO THE EAST.
THAT WAS, UH, REZONED LAST YEAR FOR, UH, 35 ACRES.
WAS REZONED FOR A, UH, FUELING STATION TRUCK STOP.
UH, AND HEAVY DIESEL REPAIR TO THE SOUTH IS ALSO I ONE, UH, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE.
UH, COUNCIL, UH, DIRECTED THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, RE-REVIEW THIS, UH, WITH A LARGER, UH, PARKING AREA.
SO WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US NOW IS A REZONING TO PLAN INDUSTRIAL TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 30 SPACE TRUCK STOP.
WITH A, UH, 4,500 SQUARE FOOT REPAIR SHOP.
UH, THE REPAIR SHOP HAS, HAS BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE AND IT'S REMAINS UNCHANGED.
SO THIS IS THE SITE AT PARTS AND, UH, ARE, YEAH.
AND 2 35 JUST NORTH OF, UH, 70.
UH, THIS IS, UH, YOU SEE MOST OF THE AREA IS ZONED EITHER I ONE OR, UH, V THREE, UH, TO THE WEST.
THE, UH, 35 ACRES, EXCUSE ME, TO THE EAST.
THE 35 ACRES IS NOW ZONED PLAN COMMERCIAL.
UH, THIS WAS A FEW, UH, WELL LAST YEAR LOOKING TO THE SITE.
UM, IT HAS INCREASED FROM 12, UH, TRUCK PARKING SPACES TO 30.
UH, THE OTHERWISE THE SITE REMAINS UNCHANGED AS WHAT WAS APPROVED, UH, BY THIS PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS IS THE ARTIST RENDERING OF, UH, THE POTENTIAL REPAIR SHOP, UH, MIXTURE OF, UH, BLOCK AND, UH, STANDING STEAM.
UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS THAT, UH, THEY WOULD COME BACK WITH A, A MORE REFINED, UH, BUILDING DESIGN DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SINCE THIS IS A GATEWAY INTO THE, INTO THE CITY.
SO THE SITE IS CLOSE TO, UH, 70 AND STATE ROUTE, UH, 2 35 INTERCHANGE.
THE SURROUNDING LANDS ARE, AS I MENTIONED, PREDOMINANTLY I ONE USED FOR MANUFACTURING DISTRIBUTION IN LOGISTICS.
UH, 35 ACRES WAS RECENTLY ZOD, UH, TO FACILITATE A FUELING STATION TRUCK STOP AND REPAIR FACILITY.
THOSE PLANS HAVE OBVIOUSLY CHANGED.
UH, THE APPLICANT FEELS THAT THERE IS A NEEDS TO SUPPORT, UH, SERVICES FOR TRUCKERS WHO MAXIMIZE THEIR ON THE ROAD TIME AND MUST REST.
UH, THERE IS A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT MAINTENANCE BUILDING LARGELY AT THAT WAS ALWAYS KIND OF IN THE PLANS.
WE, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE PLACED ON THE, THE APPLICATION EARLY ON WAS THAT THIS MAINTENANCE FACILITY BE BUILT, UH, FIRST, UH, SO THAT IT DIDN'T BECOME JUST A TRUCK DROP LOT.
UH, THE PARKING AREA IS GONNA BE AVAILABLE TO DRIVERS TO PARK THEIR TRUCKS
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AND REST OFFSITE.UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS NOT ONSITE, UH, SLEEPING OCCURRING AT THIS SITE AND IT DOESN'T BECOME A TRADITIONAL TRUCK, UH, TRUCK STOP.
SO SINCE THE, UH, THE APPLICATION WAS PLACED IN ORIGINALLY UNDER OUR OLD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I'M CONTINUING THAT 'CAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS FAIR TO CHANGE THE, THE RULES, UH, HERE.
SO THE FORMER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONSIDERED THIS A GATEWAY AND GROWTH AREA.
THE GATEWAYS ARE PROMINENT ENTRANCES TO THE CITY, WHICH SHOULD BE DESIGNED IN, UH, LANDSCAPED IN AN ATTRACTIVE MANNER.
AND GROWTH AREAS ARE LOCATIONS WHERE WE WANT TO SEE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO BE ENCOURAGED.
UH, AND SPECIFICALLY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS BE DISCOURAGED.
UH, THE REZONING FROM B THREE TO PLAIN INDUSTRIAL COULD BE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, THE PROPOSED USE IS A PRINCIPALLY, PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED USE IN THE, UH, PLAN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
ALL THE OTHER STANDARDS IN THIS CHAPTER ARE MET BASED ON THIS SITE PLAN, INCLUDING, UH, STREET TREES, UH, BUILDING SETBACKS.
AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING FACADE HAS, UH, 30% MASONRY MATERIALS AS PROPOSED.
THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THEY'LL MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS REGARDING LANDSCAPING, SIGNAGE, UM, SCREENING, LIGHTING, ET CETERA.
UM, DURING OUR LENGTHY DISCUSSIONS OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT, IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE IS AN INTENT TO CONSTRUCT THIS BUILDING.
UH, HOWEVER, STAFF STILL RECOMMENDS THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE BUILDING BE CONSTRUCTED BEFORE FINAL ZONING CERTIFICATE, UH, IS ISSUED.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, STAFF IS CONCERNED THAT IT BECOMES A, UH, BASICALLY A TRAILER DROP LOT WITH NO VALUE ADDED SERVICES WITHOUT THAT, UH, THAT MAINTENANCE, UM, FACILITY TO SERVE BOTH DRIVERS WHO ARE THERE AND SURROUNDING, UM, BUSINESSES.
AS FAR AS ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS, THERE IS A NEED FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING, UH, IN THE AREA.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT HAD, UH, WILL PROHIBIT ONSITE SLEEPING BY THE DRIVERS.
UH, THEY FURTHER REFINED THEIR APPLICATION AND OPERATIONS PLAN TO ADDRESS SOME COUNCIL CONCERNS.
UM, HOW, HOW IT WILL BE ADVERTISED, HOW SPACES WILL BE ADVERTISED, ACCESS FOR THE POLICE, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, STAFF DOES FEEL THAT THE PROPOSED, UH, USE FILLS A MARKET VOID AND CAN BE DESIGNED IN A MANNER THAT PROJECTS AN ATTRACTIVE ENTRANCE, UH, INTO A LARGELY INDUSTRIAL AREA OF THE CITY.
UH, SO IF PLANNING COMMISSION FEELS THAT, UH, REZONING OF BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, AND THE STANDARDS FOR DEVELOPMENT CAN BE MEET, CAN BE MET, UM, I RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING CODE.
ALL PARKING AND LOADING AREAS SHALL BE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE.
UH, THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT A PHASING PLAN FOR CONSIDERATION BY, UH, BY THIS BODY AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY, NO ACTIVITIES INCLUDING PARKING, STORAGE, OR SITE IMPROVEMENTS SHALL OCCUR UNTIL THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED.
UH, BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED AND A ZONING PERMIT IS ISSUED.
WE DON'T WANT TO SEE, UH, A TEMPORARY OCCUPANCY PERMIT, UH, ISSUED, UH, FOR JUST PARKING.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. JEFF? SO AARON, ON THE BUILDING? YES SIR.
THE SHOP FLOOR IS LESS THAN 20% OF THE BUILDING.
WHAT'S THE REST OF THE BUILDING? UH, SO 843 SQUARE FOOT ON A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
YEAH, SO I THINK, I THINK THE, WHAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERING THESE BAYS, UM, AS, AS THE SHOP FLOOR.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY MIGHT BE A MATH ERROR.
I'M CURIOUS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, UM, AT LENGTH AS PART OF ALSO, SO THE APPLICANT WAS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
IT'S NOT SERVICES FOR DRIVERS AS FAR AS SHOWERS OR BREAK ROOM OR ANY OF THAT.
THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT WILL BE LEASED OUT TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE SERVICES.
ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL SAY I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST TIME AROUND IT WAS BORDERLINE AND WE MADE SOME CHANGES, BUT THEN WE WERE TOLD THEN ALSO THAT THEY WERE CONSTRUCTING A BUILDING FOR MAINTENANCE AS IF IT WAS THEIR BUSINESS.
AND NOW IT, AFTER IT GOT PASSED TO US TO THE NEXT PHASE THAT CAME OUT, IT WAS GONNA BE LEASED TO SOMEBODY IF THEY FOUND SOMEBODY CONCERNS THERE.
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'CAUSE ONCE THE BUILDING'S BUILT AND APPROVED, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT THAT JOB ACTUALLY HAPPENS AND GETS SOMEBODY IN THEIR LEASE.SO I KNOW WE HAD TIED A CONTINGENCY ON THE BUILDING ITSELF.
IS THERE A CONTINGENCY THAT CAN BE TIED TO AN EXECUTED LEASE AGREEMENT ALSO, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THIS HAS GONE THROUGH FOUR WORK SESSIONS, THREE COUNCIL MEETINGS, AND I THINK TWO OF US ALREADY.
AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE GET A LITTLE MORE INFO, A LITTLE MORE INFO AND A LITTLE MORE INFO, INSTEAD OF JUST, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND IT, IT USUALLY TO ME, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN A DEVELOPER DOES THAT, THERE'S STUFF THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND IT.
THAT THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT FEELS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE CASE HERE, BUT WHEN WE HAVE TO KEEP ASKING FOR MORE, THAT THAT'S THE FEELING.
SO I HAVE CONCERNS, AND I HAVE A MAJOR ONE ON THE LETTER BECAUSE AFTER WE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THERE WILL BE NO 24 HOUR, YOU KNOW, AVAILABILITY AND NO SLEEPING ON SITE, I NO IN THE PLAN THAT WENT TO COUNCIL, IT DID GET BROUGHT UP THAT WE COULD BE STAYING OPEN LATER IN THE LETTER HERE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
IF WE NEED TO INCREASE THE REVENUE BY STAYING OPEN 24 HOURS, WE CAN DO THAT.
IF WE CAN INCREASE OUR REVENUE WITH HIGHER FEES BY LIGHTING TRUCKERS SWEEPING THEIR CAB, WE CAN CONSIDER IT.
WE FLAT OUT SAID NO TO THAT USE ON OUR APPROVAL THE FIRST TIME AROUND.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S EVEN BEING DISCUSSED THIS TIME AROUND.
AND, AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WITH COUNSEL AS WELL.
AND THAT WAS, UH, I WOULD SAY A PRETTY ATIC NO BY COUNSEL.
UH, BUT IT'S BEING INTRODUCED AFTER WE MADE IT CLEAR AS A NOTE, WHICH CAUSES BIG CONCERNS FOR ME.
ESPECIALLY LIKE WE TALKED EARLIER WHEN STUFF'S APPROVED, ENFORCEMENT'S THE HARD PART.
I WOULD HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TYING APPROVAL, ZONING APPROVAL TO THE ACTUAL, UM, LEASE UP OF THE STRUCTURE.
WE DON'T DO THAT FOR ANY OF OUR OTHER COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES THAT ARE MULTI-TENANT.
UM, SO I WOULD HAVE CON CONCERNS ABOUT DOING, DOING THAT.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION TO ENFORCE THAT AT ALL.
I THINK THE PICTURES, I THINK WE TALKED, JUST TO BE CLEAR TOO, OUR ORIGINAL APPROVAL IS 100% MASONRY.
MR. CASTLEY AARON, RIGHT NOW THIS IS PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
THE, THE ZONING, IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL, BUT B THREE.
WHAT WOULD GO INTO A SPACE IF IT REMAINED IN THE B THREE ZONING? UM, PRETTY MUCH ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USE.
UM, RESTAURANTS, UM, GAS STATIONS, THAT KIND OF THING.
CONVENIENCE STORE WOULD FIT UNDER.
THE ISSUE HERE IS THE, THE TRUCK PARKING.
AND SO THE INDUSTRIAL, UH, UM, UH, NATURE OF IT, WE ALSO ENCOURAGED THE APPLICANT TO, UM, TO SEEK A REZONING TO PLAN INDUSTRIAL RATHER THAN A STRAIGHT HIGH ONE OR I TWO, UM, REZONING SO THAT WE COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL CONTROL OVER THE DESIGN AND THE USES THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE IN AN I ONE IT DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF SEEKING THE PLANNED INDUSTRIAL AND THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY IN SOUTH.
WHAT IS IT? DO YOU RECALL WHAT THAT IS? UM, I BELIEVE IT'S TO THE PARTIALLY VACANT, I THINK.
SO THIS IS ALSO, UM, THIS IS ZONED I ONE I BELIEVE, UH, 'CAUSE THESE ARE ALL INDUSTRIAL USERS.
UH, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME DECENT RIGHT OF WAY, UH, AND EASEMENTS ALONG FOR ODOT.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S FARMED LAND, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S, IF I RECALL, IT'S, IT'S ZONED TO I ONE.
SO THE, THE INDUSTRIAL NATURE OF THE ZONING IS, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA.
IT'S WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A APPROPRIATE TYPE OF USE FOR, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PLANT.
YEAH, I THINK I SHARED A CONCERN IN THE STAFF REPORT ON THE DROP LOT THAT'S NOT GONNA ADD VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
SO THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT.
AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, NOT TO SPEAK FOR COUNSEL, BUT I THINK, UH, SINCE THEY HAVE REMANDED BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR, FOR CONSIDERATION, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY MAYBE A SPLIT AMONGST THE MEMBERS.
SO ONE SIDE WE ENCOURAGE THE EXPANSION OF, OF A LARGER PARKING AREA, UH, AND THEN SOME WHO HAVE CONCERNS WITH TRUCK PARKING AS A STANDALONE USE ALTOGETHER AT A GATEWAY ESPECIALLY.
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WHAT DOES THE COMP PLANT HAVE? THIS AREA? INDUSTRIAL? YES.EVERYTHING NORTH, LARGELY NORTH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW, LIKE THE WENDYS AND A COUPLE OTHER, UH, AREAS, UH, EVERYTHING NORTH AND, UH, WEST IS ALL SOME VARIANT OF INDUSTRIAL, OR IT'S FALLOW LAND THAT WILL LIKELY BE, UM, UH, DEVELOPED INTO AN INDUSTRIAL USE.
UM, SO TONIGHT, JUST DISCUSSING THE ZONING, TONIGHT WE'RE DISCUSSING THE ZONING AS WELL AS THE, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO INCREASE FROM 12 PARKING SPOTS TO 30.
I JUST HAVE A LOT OF HEARTBURN AROUND THIS
I, I JUST, UM, I, I READ AS I READ THE LETTER, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THAT, BUT AS I READ THE LETTER, UM, IT JUST, IT DOES GIVE ME GREAT CONCERN ABOUT THEIR INTENT AND HOW THEY WANNA MOVE FORWARD EVEN AFTER WE, EVEN IF WE DO AGREE THIS EVENING TO CHANGE THE ZONING, I FEEL THAT THEIR INTENT IS STILL NOT TO DO WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM.
WELL, SO, UH, MR. DEA IS HERE.
UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, TO DISCUSS THAT.
IT'S PART OF THE, THE APPLICATION.
SO I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTH HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, MR. JEFFERS, TO BE CLEAR, BEING THAT IT'S BACK HERE TO US.
COUNSEL NEVER TOOK A VOTE, EITHER THE, THE REASON SOMETHING OR THE BASIC, CORRECT, CORRECT.
UM, IT WAS TABLED OR, YEAH, I GUESS NOT TECHNICALLY TABLED, BUT PUSHED A NUMBER OF TIMES.
UH, THE, UH, THE VOTE THAT WAS TAKEN WAS BASICALLY TO REMAND BACK TO THIS BODY FOR A, UH, A LARGER SITE PLAN.
UH, JUST THE STAFF'S CONCERNS OF IT NO MORE THAN A DROP LOT TO ME.
IT'S GETTING, AND THE FURTHER WE GO ALONG, THE MORE IT FEELS THAT WAY, NOT THE LESS IT FEELS THAT WAY.
I HAVE SOME, SOME CONCERN THERE.
AND I'M ALL FOR FINDING PLACES FOR, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCKERS TO HAVE A PLACE TO PARK.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY, THEY MOVE, MOVE AMERICA, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A GATEWAY ENTRANCE AS WELL.
YEAH, I'M, I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, UM, THE SITE, IT'S HARD TO SEE FROM HERE.
SO THESE TREES USED TO BE HERE BEFORE WE CUT 'EM DOWN.
UM, BUT THERE IS, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT, UH, BUFFER AREA THAT WE CAN LANDSCAPE BETWEEN THIS SITE AND THE EDGE OF 2 35.
THERE'S A LOT OF RIGHT AWAY THERE THAT WE CAN, SO THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF AREA THERE THAT COULD BE A MAIN ENTRANCE SHOWING ATTENTION IN A POSITIVE WAY.
AND INSTEAD OF SCREENING AND HIDING IT, THIS IS TRUE.
BUT WE WANTED TO GET THROUGH THE USE CONVERSATION AND THEN FOCUS ON THE DESIGN CONVERSATION.
'CAUSE I THINK, SO THE DESIGN CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT.
I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THIS BODY AS WELL AS COUNSEL IS A CONCERN ABOUT THE USE MORE THAN THE DESIGN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? HI, I'M TOM DSA.
I'M THE APPLICANT WITH, UH, HALEY DSA ENGINEERING.
AND, UM, I GUESS I'M HERE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
UM, LET ME GET BACK TO YOUR, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THAT NUMBER ON THE BUILDING.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ELEVATION, CORE ELEVATION.
SO, UM, I, I GUESS I'M CONFUSED.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH HERE AND I TRIED TO HONOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ASKED ME TO DO, AND WE PROCEEDED FROM HERE AND WENT OVER THERE AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WANTED IT TO BE BIGGER, AND THEN WE WERE GOING TO GET CLOSE TO PASSING IT.
I, THEY ASKED FOR A BUSINESS PLAN, EVEN THOUGH PART OF THE PEOPLE SAID, WE DON'T ASK THAT FROM ANYBODY ELSE, BUT THEY ASKED IT FOR ME AND I WROTE THAT STUFF DOWN.
AND SO THEN WE GOT TO THE POINT OF ALMOST PASSING IT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE MAYOR OR WHO SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, PLANNING COMMISSION DIDN'T APPROVE THIS.
AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE LETTER GOES, WE WERE OKAY WITH NOT KEEPING IT OPEN.
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WAS THOSE GUYS ON THAT SIDE THAT SAID, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WHEN THESE PEOPLE GET OFF THE ROAD AND THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT? OR THEY WANT TO PICK UP THE CARGO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT? SO I JUST LEFT THAT OPEN TO WE COULD CHANGE THE MARKETING PLAN AND DO THAT.NOW, I WOULD NEVER DO IT IN AN UNSAFE MANNER, MANNER.
IF WE DID THAT, SOMEBODY WOULD BE THERE AND MAN THE SITE.
IT'S, MAN, I, I REALLY DON'T SEE THE HARM OF YOUR POINT OF, OF, YOU KNOW, I KNEW AT FIRST YOU DID BECAUSE NOBODY WAS GONNA BE THERE AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS PROTECTED.
BUT IF YOU ALSO READING THERE, WE WOULD, OR WELL MAY NOT STATE THAT, BUT WE WOULD KEEP SOMEBODY THERE ALL NIGHT AS A GUARD FROM THE PLACE.
IT'S FENCED AND IT HAS CAMERAS.
SO, UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I GUESS, UM, A LITTLE, I'M A LITTLE BIT BOTHERED BY THE FACT THAT THE WAY YOU RATE READ INTO THIS IS THAT WE DIDN'T LISTEN TO YOU.
AND IN MY, AND THE WAY WE'VE LISTENED AND WE'VE BEEN AT THIS THING, YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY DATES WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS, IN MY OPINION, WE'VE DONE NOTHING.
BUT LISTEN TO BOTH YOU GUYS AND THE CITY.
AND YOU GUYS ARE COMING BACK AT US IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND, UM, I'VE TOLD AARON ALL ALONG, MADE STATEMENTS, WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE REQUESTING.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE ZONING CHANGE SO WE CAN PUT THIS PRODUCT IN THERE.
AND YES, WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL VIEW, BUT WE DID AGREE TO IT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH PUTTING THE FACADE ON THAT YOU WANT.
SO, UH, I GUESS THAT'S BASICALLY ABOUT MY POINT.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OF ME? I'M HERE FOR YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I, I CAN CLARIFY FOR ON, ON THE ONE.
SO ON THE, AND, AND I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR COUNSELS.
I WASN'T, WE WEREN'T AT THOSE MEETINGS.
THEY GET THE RECOMMENDATION FROM US.
IF THIS LETTER HAD BEEN HERE ABOUT THE ABILITY TO LET PEOPLE SLEEP IN THEIR CAB THAT NIGHT WHEN WE VOTED ON IT, I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A YES VOTE.
WE WERE VERY CLEAR AGAINST THIS.
SO THAT WOULD'VE CHANGED THE RECOMMENDATION ONCE IT INCLUDED.
SO ONCE IT LEFT HERE AND WENT TO THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
SO, TO JUST TO CLARIFY, 'CAUSE I WAS VERY CLEAR ON, I'M ON, JUST READ IT.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S TOWARDS MY COMMENT AND I, AND I, I WON'T STAND BY IT, BUT THAT'S IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING CAME FROM THOSE MEETINGS THAT CHANGED, THAT COULDN'T TELL YOU, BUT I KNOW WHAT'S IN HERE NOW IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I VOTED YES ON.
THAT, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.
JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY'S CLEAR.
AND I'M JUST MAKING IT CLEAR FROM MY END.
THE ONLY REASON I CHANGED IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE SAYING, YOU'VE GOTTA SHOW US A BUSINESS PLAN AND WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO FOR THESE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT? AND, AND HOW ARE YOU GONNA DO, YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF THIS STUFF.
I MADE THAT TO BE WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR, AND I PRESENTED IT TO 'EM AND THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT, AND THEY WERE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT THEY, THE GLITCH TO THEM, LIKE I SAID, WAS THAT YOU GUYS DIDN'T APPROVE THAT MANY PARKING SPACES AND WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT MANY.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT TOLD US TO DO THAT.
SO I'M, I'M JUST SAYING I'M, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING, EITHER ONE OF YOU.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, TO COORDINATE BETWEEN YOU AND THEM AND, AND MAKE THIS THING MOVE FORWARD.
UM, SO YOU STATED IN HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, CHAR, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY STAY OVER 24 HOURS.
WHAT DO YOU FORESEE IN YOUR BUSINESS PLAN THAT, HOW MANY TRUCKERS DO YOU FORESEE COMING IN AFTER 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND NEED TO LEAVE PRIOR TO, UM, YOU KNOW, 6:00 AM WELL, I I, I, I HAVEN'T GONE THAT FAR INTO A BUSINESS PLAN, BUT I GUESS MY THOUGHTS ON THAT IS OUR MAIN FORM OF ADVERTISING IS GOING TO BE THROUGH THE INTERNET AND THROUGH THAT, AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA UNDERSTAND OUR HOURS.
SO, UM, IF, IF THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GONNA START AND THAT'S THE WAY WE WOULD PREFER TO START, THEN, THEN, THEN I, I DON'T CARE HOW MANY COME, THE OTHER THOUGHT IS THEY GOTTA LEAVE AND THAT I'VE ALWAYS, THAT'S HOW WE STARTED OUT.
WE WANT THEM TO FIND A WAY, BUT THEY'LL KNOW THAT COMING IN, IF THEY DON'T LIKE THAT SETUP, THEN DON'T COME OVER TO THIS AREA.
BUT THEN I GOT COMMENTS, NOBODY HERE, 'CAUSE IT WAS IN THE OTHER MEETING, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WHEN SOMEBODY DROPS OFF THEIR TRUCK AND THEY WANT TO COME BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND PICK IT UP AND THERE'S NOBODY THERE? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WHEN SOMEBODY GETS OFF AND THERE'S NOBODY THERE? SO I JUST SAID IF O OBVIOUSLY ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO THIS IS GONNA
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BE WORTH IT TO US, IS TO GET REVENUE.THE WAY WE GET REVENUE, A LARGE PERCENTAGE IS GOING TO BE TRUCKS PARKING, AND A PER CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THAT IS GONNA BE THE PEOPLE ON THE HIGHWAY.
THERE ARE GONNA BE LOCALS THAT MIGHT WANT TO PARK THERE TOO.
SO IF, IF THE MARKET IS SUCH THAT IN ORDER TO GET MORE REVENUE TO HELP PAY FOR THIS THING THAT WE CAN PUT A GUY ON AND, AND IT'S WORTH IT, THEN WE'LL WE'LL BE THERE.
BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, THE GATE SYSTEM.
THEY STILL HAVE TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS.
THEY JUST CAN'T COME BARRELING IN THERE AND THEN CAMP OUT.
WE DON'T, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS BROUGHT IT UP, BUT CITY COUNCIL DID THAT.
THEY DON'T WANT THE PROBLEMS THAT COME WITH PEOPLE STAYING OVERNIGHT.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THOSE ARE RIGHT.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE DID WHAT WE DID.
AND FOLKS SLEEPING, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING THEM TO SLEEP IN THEIR CAB.
IT IS, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT, A MESSAGE WE WANT TO PUT OUT THERE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DOING.
I, I UNDERSTAND THE POINT, BUT THE WAY I WAS LOOKING AT THAT WAS IF I HAVE SOMEBODY THERE AND THEY KNOW THE RULES, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE GONNA PAY, UH, NO, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BRING PEOPLE IN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IF THEY HAVE A THEIR OWN CAB, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE WITH THOSE TRUCKS AND THEY WANT TO PARK THERE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM PARKING IN THERE IN THE, IN THE CAB THERE.
I DON'T WANT 'EM WANDERING AROUND, BUT WE'LL HAVE A GUARD THERE THAT, OR A PERSON THAT'S MANAGING IT THAT WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY FOLLOW THE RULES OR THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE.
SO I, I WOULDN'T LEAVE IT UNPROTECTED AT ANY TIME.
SO I WASN'T ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN YOU CAME IN THE FIRST TIME.
UM, BUT I DID, UH, GET A CHANCE TO BRING MYSELF UP TO SPEED ON A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS, UM, THAT HAVE HAPPENED BETWEEN COUNSEL AND PLANNING CONDITION AND THE WORK SESSIONS.
I THINK I SHARE A LOT OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS' CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE BUSINESS PLAN ITSELF AND THE FLUIDITY IN WHICH IT'S KIND OF CHANGED.
THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE CHARGED WITH HERE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN GET THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OUT OF, UH, A PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY OR LOCATION.
THIS IS A GATEWAY AREA, IT'S A PROMINENT AREA FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS PLAN IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS LOCATION.
UM, SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY CORE CONCERN.
UM, NOTWITHSTANDING MANY OF THE OTHER CONCERNS THE COUNCIL'S ALREADY EXPRESSED AROUND THE ABILITY TO OPERATIONALIZE YOUR BUSINESS PLAN, PARTICULARLY AROUND YOUR INGRESS AND EGRESS, WHEN PEOPLE CAN PICK UP THEIR TRUCKS WHEN THEY CAN'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A MODEL THAT WORKS FOR MOST TRUCKERS.
AND SO I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE PLAN THAT'S LAID OUT.
OKAY, SO THAT SAID, THEN WHAT'S WRONG WITH HAVING SOMEBODY THERE AND, AND THAT ISSUE WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM? I DON'T THINK I HAVE HEARD OR READ OR SEEN ANYTHING.
THE PLAN THAT SAYS WE WILL DEFINITELY STAFF SOMEONE 24 7.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO LET PEOPLE IN AND OUT ANYTIME THEY WANT.
SO I'M JUST, I'M, I'M SHARING, I UNDERSTAND, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT INFORMATION THAT'S EASY TO HEAR, BUT I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M NOT SEEING A PLAN TO GET TRUCKERS IN AND OUT WHEN THEY NEED TO GET IN AND OUT.
SO ENLIGHTEN ME IF YOU, IF YOU'VE GOT THAT ON THE GROUND, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I JUST DID.
I JUST SAID WE WOULD, I WOULD NEVER LEAVE.
I WOULD ALWAYS HAVE SOMEBODY THERE.
IT'S A GATED AREA AND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEBODY THERE.
WHEN I ORIGINALLY WAS IN HERE, WE WERE, WE WERE JUST LOW LEVEL AND THERE'S, THERE WOULD BE A BUSINESS ON THERE THAT WOULD OPERATE REGULAR HOURS SO WE CAN CONTROL AND IF WE WOULD LEAVE FOR THE NIGHT, IT WOULD BE UNDER SECURITY, BUT NOBODY WOULD BE THERE.
NOBODY'S IN ALLOWED IN AND OUT.
NOW AGAIN, SEE, YOU BRING UP, WHICH IS DIFFERENT WITH THEM, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THESE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT? OKAY, WELL I JUST OFFERED A SOLUTION.
KEEP SOMEBODY THERE AND WE CAN OPERATE, OPERATE 24 7.
SO I DO APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION ON THE 24 7.
I THINK THE OTHER CONCERNS, BUT I COULD CONTINUE TO ELABORATE, OKAY.
IS, UH, THE ILLEGAL PARKING THAT WE THINK WILL ABSOLUTELY OCCUR IN AND AROUND THE AREA.
IT'S BEEN MENTIONED IN THE PAST AROUND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THE, THE CHALLENGES WITH THIS BUSINESS MODEL ARE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO PRODUCE SOME REAL ISSUES IN MY MIND ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS BECOMES A PROBLEM IN THE CITY FROM THE ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT.
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YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A, A DIFFICULT, A DIFFICULT PLAN TO OPERATION WAS CAN RESPOND.I THINK THIS DID COME OUT OF THIS, AND YOU, YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN THE ONE THAT SAYS IT.
THERE'S PROBLEMS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY THAT IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE LIKE THIS, WHERE ARE THEY PARKING? THEY'RE PARKING IN THE SHOPPING CENTERS.
THEY'RE DOING ALL THIS STUFF AND THEY'RE NOT CONTROLLED AND YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT.
THIS IS A PLACE THAT THEY COULD COME AND, AND THEIR STUFF'S PROTECTED AND THERE'S SOME CONTROL.
SO I, I'M, YOU KNOW, I DISAGREE WITH THE COMMENT THAT YOU HAD MADE BEFORE THAT, THAT, THAT THIS DOESN'T WORK FOR THAT.
UH, BUT ANYWAY, I, I CAN ONLY SAY, I CAN'T SAY ANY MORE TIMES.
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I FEEL THAT UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, I THINK IT'S A PRETTY GOOD OP A PLAN.
I DON'T, I IF AND AS FAR AS PARKING ON THE STREET, ARE YOU GONNA GIVE US AUTHORITY TO TELL THESE PEOPLE THAT THEY GOTTA MOVE THEIR VEHICLES OFF THE STREET? I OFFERED PUT UP SIGNS.
THAT'S A CITY THING, AND THEY CAN GET FINED AND GET A TICKET.
POLICE CAN DRIVE BY OVER THERE AND JUST GIVE 'EM A TICKET.
SOONER OR LATER WE'LL GET THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO STOP PEOPLE.
YES, WE DRAW PEOPLE THERE, BUT THAT'S OUR BUSINESS.
I DON'T SEE HOW WE SHOULD GET PENALIZED FOR THAT.
I WAS GONNA SAY DRAWING PEOPLE THERE AND THE ENFORCEMENT, I AGREE.
THE ENFORCEMENT IS NOT, NOT YOUR ISSUE, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS DRAWING PEOPLE TO THAT LOCATION AND HAVING THE POTENTIAL FOR PEOPLE TO PARK ALONGSIDE THE ROAD, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I THINK THAT'S NOT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, WHERE WOULD THEY PARK THEN? WOULD THEY PARK IN THE SHOPPING CENTER OR, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT PARKING ELSEWHERE.
NOW WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T WANT TO ADD TO THE PROBLEM MM-HMM.
SO IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT, UM, I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY RE-LITIGATE THIS ENTIRE CASE.
UM, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS REMANDED TO THIS BODY TO CONSIDER WAS REALLY THE INCREASE FROM 12 TO 30 SPACES.
UM, THAT, THAT WAS BASICALLY THE, THE CRUX OF IT.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AGAIN ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE, BUT, UM, I JUST WANNA THROW THAT OUT THERE, THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS SPLIT, BUT THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, UM, TO, TO COUNSEL.
DO YOU REMEMBER THE COUNT? I THINK IT PASSED BY ONE.
AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT THIS ABILITY FOR TRUCKERS TO SLEEP IN THEIR CAB WAS, IT WAS CHANGED MINE, YES.
AND AT THE TIME, YOU WERE DOWN ONE, RIGHT? YES.
SO THREE WOULD PASS WHEREIN TODAY, CORRECT.
FOUR WOULD PASS, THREE WOULD FAIL.
SO TECHNICALLY I'M AND, AND, AND THE, THE, THE SLEEPING ON SITE CAME AFTER THIS BODY CONSIDERED IT ORIGINALLY? NO, WE, WE CONSIDERED IT SAYING THAT WE WOULD NOT ALLOW SLEEPING ON SITE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, SO HAD SLEEPING ON SITE BEEN AT PRESENTED ORIGINALLY, I CAN TELL YOU FOR A FACT IT WOULD'VE AT LEAST BEEN TWO TO ONE ON ONE OF THOSE BOATS.
AND I HAD, WE HAD THAT CONCERN.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? HOW SHOULD I HAVE HANDLED IT WITH THE CITY? I HAVE NO SHOULD, SHOULD I SAID WE SHOULD ELICIT TO WHAT, WHAT THE COUNT, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA LISTEN TO YOU.
WE SIMPLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
DO YOU SEE MY DILEMMA? I MEAN, I, I DID WHAT YOU GUYS DID.
I GO THERE AND THEY, I SAY, WELL, LET'S DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE.
AND THEY SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THEY DID GO BACK TO THEM.
WELL, AND IF WE VOTE NO RIGHT NOW ON IT ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE OF THE SLEEPING IN THE CAB, IT STILL GOES TO THEM AFTER THIS TO VOTE.
THAT'S STILL, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE, THE STOP IT FROM GOING TO THE NEXT STEPS.
IT JUST MEANS THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT PROCESSES ON THAT SIDE.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU MY THOUGHT.
WE, I REMEMBER, WE, WE CLEARLY TALKED ABOUT THE SLEEPING ON SITE ISSUE.
I KNOW YOU DID, AND I CLEARLY LISTENED TO YOU TOO.
BUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST EXPLAINING THAT THAT WOULD'VE CHANGED IF THIS LETTER WAS AT THAT MEETING, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A 2 0 1 FAIL INSTEAD OF A THREE OH ACCRUAL IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET BACK ON TRACK IF THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN OUR RECOMMENDATION AND COUNSEL'S CONVERSATIONS? IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE WE TABLE AND SCHEDULE SOME KIND OF A DISCUSSION OR
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WE JUST, WE VOTE AND THEY GO OFF OF OUR RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE OURS IS A RECOMMENDATION OR WHAT? I GUESS HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD ON THAT? YEAH, SO THESE CONCERNS, MY RECOMMENDATION IS, UM, THAT YOU PLACING THE CONDITIONS WHAT YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE.UM, AND I DID, UH, IN MY STAFF REPORT, I MISSED CONDITION NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS THE EXTERIOR.
I WOULD ADD THAT CONDITION OF THE EXTERIOR BEING A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY.
WELL, CAN WE PLACE IN THE CONDITIONS THAT IF WE PUT A CONDITION IN AND VOTE ON NO 24 HOUR ACCESS AND COUNSEL DECIDES TO PUT IN 24 HOUR ACCESS, OUR VOTE CHANGES, THAT'S A MATERIAL CHANGE THAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE THAT WOULD'VE CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTE.
SO HOW DO WE REGARD AGAINST THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT THAT WAS A MATERIAL CHANGE.
SO I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 24 ACCESS IN THE SENSE THAT IF SOMEBODY HAS, UH, A RESERVATION TO BE THERE, DROP, DROP OFF, 2:00 AM THEY'VE GOT A CODE.
THE THE CODE OPERATES THE GATE, THEY DROP THEIR CAR OFF, OR THEIR TRUCK OFF HIT THE CODE GATE SHUTS, THEY MOVE ON TO THE HOTEL OR HOME OR WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING, VERSUS SOMEBODY'S SLEEPING ON SITE FOR THE EIGHT, NINE HOURS THEY'VE GOT, THEY HAVE TO REST.
I DO REMEMBER THAT THIS BODY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, I AM TRYING TO REMEMBER, I KNOW AT LEAST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER HAD CONCERNS ABOUT, OR MORE THAN ONE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT SLEEPING ON SITE.
THERE WERE OTHERS THOUGH THAT, UM, FELT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COULD BE A, A DRIVER WHO DOESN'T LIVE HERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THEY, A LOT OF THE TRACTORS HAVE BASICALLY A SMALL BEDROOM IN THE BAG.
UH, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THEY'RE BUILT.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE VERSUS UBERING TO A HOTEL.
UM, I, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS BODY SHOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE WITH AND THEN LET COUNSEL DECIDE WHAT THE APPROPRIATE ACTION IS.
SINCE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S COUNSEL'S DECISION ON THIS.
WHAT'S THE QUESTION? I APOLOGIZE.
SO IF WE, IF THEY DID SAY THEY ALLOW SLEEPING ON SITE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE RESERVATION, THEY GET IN, THEY'RE ALLOWED SLEEPING ON SITE, ON SITE.
DOESN'T THAT THEN, YOU KNOW, BECOME MORE LIKE A, DON'T THEY HAVE TO REQUIRE SHOWERS? UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE INSTRUCTOR, THEY, THEY WORKED ALL DAY.
NOW DO, ARE THEY GONNA REQUIRE SHOWERS TO GO IN? BECAUSE THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
I I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY, THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ORIGINALLY TALKED, WOULD THERE BE SERVICES FOR DRIVERS, FACILITIES, RESTROOM FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, BREAK ROOM, THAT KIND OF THING.
THAT WAS NEVER, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T WANT NEVER OFFERED, NEVER OFFERED, OFFERED THE INTENT.
AND THAT'LL BE CLEAR, RIGHT? IN OUR ADVERTISEMENT, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF MAKES SENSE TO HAVE SLEEPING, YOU KNOW, FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, SLEEPING ON SITE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THIS BODY SHOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
UM, I I I'M HEARING THAT, THAT THE SLEEPING ON SITE IS, IS AN ISSUE.
IT WAS BROUGHT UP, UM, THE MASONARY ISSUE.
WAS THIS EASY WITH FIX? UH, I THINK WE ARE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY WORRIED TOO MUCH, BUT WE ARE, I THINK WE'RE, UH, PARSING A LITTLE TOO MUCH OF DEFINITION OF ACCESS ON, ON THE 24 HOUR ACCESS.
I THINK IT, IF IT WANTS TO BE, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A MAN PERSON THERE, I DEFINITELY, YEAH, I WOULD NEVER JUST GIVE SOMEBODY AIR CODE.
I THINK IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ARGUE THAT, THAT THE, THE, UM, AIRBNB MODEL MIGHT WORK AS WELL WHERE YOU MAKE A RESERVATION, YOU'RE GIVEN A CODE, THAT CODE IS GOOD FOR 24 HOURS, THE CODE CHANGES AND YOU'VE GOT AN ELECTRONIC SYSTEM AND IT'S MAYBE REMOTELY MANNED.
UM, I THINK THERE ARE OPTIONS TO DO IT, TO DO IT IN VARIOUS WAYS, BUT I DO THINK THAT, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THE SLEEPING ON SITE WHERE IT BECOMES, YOU KNOW, A TRADITIONAL TRUCK STOP IS PROBLEMATIC.
AND BUSINESS, THE THE SHOP FLOOR IS, YOU SAID IT'S THE ELEVATION.
HOW BIG IS THE SHOP FLOOR? WHATEVER THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS.
40 FOOT WHOLE BUILDING IS DESIGNED FOR BUSINESS, NOT MM-HMM.
WELL, THERE MIGHT BE ONE ROOM IN THERE FOR THE GUY THAT'S GONNA BE MANNING THE, THE GATE.
SO, BUT IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WILL OWN AND OPERATE YOURSELF? OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A COMPANY TO TAKE OVER AND LEASE? AND THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, HOW DO WE CONTROL
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OUR REQUESTS AND, AND MOVING FORWARD, IF IT'S A LEASING COMPANY VERSUS OWNER, OWNER RUN.THE PART THAT'S GETTING TO GET LEASED IS THE, THE PART THAT YOU GUYS ASKED US TO DO.
AND THAT'S TO PUT, PUT A, A PLACE TO WORK ON THE TRUCKS.
BUT INSIDE THE, THE MAIN PART THAT THE OWNER WHO IS HERE WILL BE MAINTAINING AND, AND MANAGING THE, THE GATE AND, AND THE TRUCKERS IN AND OUT.
SO HE'S GONNA LEASE THE BUILDING OUT FOR THE REPAIR WORK TO
AND THEN HE'LL BE UNDER CONTROL ITSELF, WILL OPERATE THE RESPITE, THE LAWN? NO, NO.
HE'S ONLY GOT A COUPLE PARKING SPOTS FOR HIMSELF.
BUT, BUT HIM AND HE'LL PAY RENT ON THAT.
AND IF WE'RE JUST LEASING OUT A PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WHICH WE, WE AGREED TO THAT THERE WAS NOT A PROBLEM WITH US.
THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE GATEWAY AND WE NEEDED TO HAVE SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST A, A PARKING LOT.
STEP DOESN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES ABOUT THIS IS BEING JUST LIKE LEASING OUT A SPEC BUILDING TO SOME, TO A, UM, MAINTENANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, TRUCK REPAIR FACILITY.
I'M, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE LEASING ASPECT VERSUS THE OWNERSHIP ASPECT OF IT.
IN FACT, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO GET INTO THIS BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPITAL.
THEY ACTUALLY BUILD A SHOP, THEY CAN LEASE THIS SPACE AND IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, AN EASIER ENTRY INTO THIS BUSINESS.
THEY HAVE CONSTANT TRUCK FLOW COMING IN AND OUT, BUT WHO KNOWS? IT'S GONNA, WELL, I'M HERE.
I MIGHT AS WELL GET THE TRUCK WORK BY.
SO, I MEAN, BUSINESS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR I I GET THAT.
AND WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO COULD USE SOME THESE SPACE OR HAVE EACH TRUCK REPAIR INSTEAD OF, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT BEFORE I GET CLOSED OUT IS THAT I, I'M, I'M STILL CONFUSED HERE.
I MEAN, I, I, I, I APPRECIATE 'EM AND THAT'S, I FOLLOW 'EM.
BUT THEN YOUR COMMENT WAS, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHEN IT'S CLOSED? I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE A GOOD PLAN TO DO THAT? HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT? I'M, I'M, I DON'T HAVE, OUR MAIN THING IS WE WILL DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS THINK IS BEST.
WE WANT IT TO WORK AND WE, AND WE WANT REVENUE.
THAT'S YOUR JOB TO TELL US IN A BUSINESS MODEL.
AND, BUT I'M GETTING CONFLICTING.
SO I GOTTA PICK ONE OF YOU TWO TO, TO, TO SAY WHAT I WANT TO DO OR WHAT, THAT'S WHAT MY PROBLEM IS.
I'M MRS. CAN WE, CAN WE TABLE THIS AND, AND HAVE, SINCE WE'VE COME THIS FAR AND, AND GONE THROUGH EVERYTHING TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT TIMES, UM, IT SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF CONFUSION.
AND YOU SAID WHY AND WHY AND HOW, UM, TO MORE OR LESS REGROUP AND, AND NOT REALLY NECESSARILY START OVER AGAIN.
JUST HAVE IT ALL IN FRONT OF US ALL ON PAPER, UM, WITHOUT ADDING OR SUBTRACTING.
AND, AND IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET COUNSEL, LOOK AT THIS WHOLE THING AGAIN? YES, WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE THIS TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.
AND, UH, I WILL, I WILL PUT TOGETHER A DETAILED, UM, HISTORY, UH, AND, AND I GUESS MY, UM, MY, MY VERSION OF WHAT I'M HEARING AS FAR AS THE, UH, COUNCIL CONVERSATIONS AS WELL AS THIS HEARING.
I, I THINK THAT WE'VE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD, AND I THINK THAT YOU MADE A GOOD POINT ABOUT PARKING ON THE STREET, UH, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE YOUR PROBLEM.
THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED BY WHOEVER'S JURISDICTION IS FOR THIS PARKING ON THE STREET.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBT THAT WE NEED TRUCK PARKING IN THE CITY, BUT I KNOW ALSO THAT WE HAD TRUCK PARKING IN THE CITY AT ONE TIME AND IT WAS REALLY HARD TO GET OUT OF HERE.
WE DON'T WANT THAT SAME SITUATION BACK.
AND I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH, OR YOU'VE HEARD OF, YOU KNOW ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE GO BACK, CHANGE A LITTLE BIT TO THE BUILDING PART.
HAVE YOU AGREED TO DO, TO BUILD, PUT THE BUILDING IN BEFORE YOU DO THE PARKING SPACES ALONG WITH YES.
NOW THE PART, THERE'S A ISSUE THERE, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH IT THAT, UM, OUR SANITARY, WHICH WE HAVE A MAIN LINE SITTING THERE WE CAN'T TIE
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INTO TILL THE END OF THIS YEAR.SO WE'RE KIND OF ON A HOLD FOR THAT.
SO, UM, YOU'RE NOT WANTING TO GO AHEAD AND PARK TRUCKS IN THE MEANTIME, ARE YOU? OR ARE YOU? WELL, BUT THIS, THIS TIME NOW WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO SEPTEMBER NOW AGAIN, SO IT'S ANOTHER MONTH T ON HERE.
I WE WON'T, IF YOU TELL US NOT TO, THEN I GUESS WE WON'T.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BUCK THE SYSTEM.
I'M TRYING TO WORK SOMETHING OUT HERE THAT, UH, AND, AND THIS SOLUTION THAT YOU GUYS JUST CAME UP WITH, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER? DO YOU WANT SOMETHING FROM ME? 'CAUSE AM I SUPPOSED TO SAY, OKAY, WE WILL NOT, WE WILL CLOSE THE DOORS AT A CERTAIN TIME AND WE WON'T LET ANYBODY SLEEP IN THEIR TRUCKS.
OR YOU WANT ME TO SAY WE'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING 24 HOUR SERVICE FOR PEOPLE THAT GET OFF AT ANY TIME AND WE CAN ALLOW THEM IN AND OUT, BUT IT'LL BE A SECURE SITUATION.
WE HAVE A GUARD, WE HAVE A GATE.
AND IF WE DON'T LIKE HIM, RIGHT NOW, ALL I'M ASKING ABOUT IS THE BUILDING.
YEAH, I I, I WASN'T, I'M SORRY, WASN'T TALKING TO YOU.
UM, AND SO I'M GONNA DILEMMA, DO YOU WANT ME TO PRESENT SOMETHING BACK TO YOU? BECAUSE IF IT IS, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, I'M GONNA PRESENT OR YOU GUYS GONNA TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES AND THEN COME UP WITH A PLAN? GEEZ, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO HAS TO BE PUBLIC.
I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN TO START CHAIRMAN, THE CITY COUNCIL.
IS THERE A REASON YOU'RE LOOKING TO TABLE THIS? WHAT'S IN YOUR MIND? IT JUST SEEMS TO BE, UH, A LOT OF CONFUSION ON, HE SAID, SHE SAID, WE SAID, UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALL ON PAPER.
IT'S FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS, WHICH WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW.
AND IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE CLEAR IN ANYBODY'S MIND EXACTLY.
YEAH, I CAN PROVIDE CLARITY FROM, FROM THAT.
I THINK THAT, UM, WHICH REALLY SHOULDN'T, DOESN'T IMPACT THIS BODY THAT MUCH.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A, UH, A UNIFIED, UM, VISION OR NOT VISION OR ON BOARD, BUT AGREEMENT ON COUNCIL, EITHER ON, ON THIS TYPE OF, OF USE.
UM, SO, BUT THAT BEING SAID, IF WE WANT TO TABLE IT TO, UH, TO SEPTEMBER, I WILL PUT TOGETHER THE COMPENDIUM OF WHAT HAS OCCURRED, WHAT WAS AGREED TO, UH, I'LL, I'LL WORK WITH, UH, WITH TOM ON THIS AS WELL.
UM, AND, AND I THINK WE WANT RESOLUTION TO THIS.
SO DOES, SO DOES THE APPLICANT SO THAT THE SOONER THAT WE CAN GET THAT, THE BETTER.
UM, AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT SURE A MONTH MATTERS.
I MEAN, THE SOONER, RIGHT? UH, YOU DO HAVE THE ISSUE WITH THIS, THE, UH, THE SANITARY LINE, BUT THAT IF ALL GOES WELL SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
UH, SO ALL OF THIS SHOULD ALIGN TO WHERE, UH, THE SANITARY IS DONE AND YOUR BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, IF APPROVED WOULD BE COMPLETED.
WHILE WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS, I'M BACK TO THE BUILDING AGAIN.
THIS WILL BE THE GATEWAY TO THE CITY IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA.
AND I WANT TO BE SURE THAT THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE MADE SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH, AND THAT IS THE PHASING OF, OF, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED.
BUT, UM, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THAT IS NOT OVERLOOKED.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, AARON, WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR THE CITY.
WHAT'S BEST FOR NOT ONLY TOMORROW, BUT FIVE, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE PART OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH.
SO WE JUST NEED A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO AT THIS POINT THEN, I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD TABLE THIS TO THE SEPTEMBER 12TH MEETING.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? ARE YOU GUYS, OR DO YOU CARE? I, I KNOW YOU CARE WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS, BUT ARE YOU GOING TO, ARE YOU GUYS GONNA TRY TO DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH THEM OR YOU'RE GONNA MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION? 'CAUSE IF NOT, WE'RE GONNA GET TO SEPTEMBER AND WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE I'M NOT TRYING TO FIGHT ANY OF THIS STUFF.
I'LL DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT.
NO, MY PLAN, MY PLAN WOULD BE TO, UH, REVIEW THE FOUR MEETINGS THAT WE HAD WITH, UH, WITH COUNSEL.
TRY TO COMPILE MY INTERPRETATION OF, UH, OF WHAT I HEARD FROM THE DISCUSSIONS, AND PROVIDE THAT AS PART OF, UM, SOME BACKGROUND FOR, FOR THIS BODY, FOR THIS S ATTEMPT DISCUSSION.
AND IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT MY, UH, I, I'LL CERTAINLY SEND YOU, UH,
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WHAT, WHAT I WRITE.AND YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT, OH, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
I'LL, BUT WE'RE NOT, I'LL COME RIGHT BACK UP HERE NEXT IN SEPTEMBER.
AND I HAVE A FEELING IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME CONVERSATION IF YOU DON'T TALK TO THE CITY.
NOW, IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE SPECIFICS, FINE.
IF YOU DON'T REALLY CARE, THEN, THEN, THEN, THEN GO, JUST GO AHEAD AND WEIGH ON WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO DECIDE.
IF YOU WANT US TO SHUT IT DOWN AND AT, AT THE RIGHT TIME.
THAT'S WHAT WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
I'LL GO BACK TO 12 TRUCKS IF YOU WANT.
I JUST WANTED TO GET IT STARTED.
PLUS THE BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY, BUT RIGHT.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WANTED TO EXPAND IT.
SO LET ME, LET ME, LET'S TABLE THIS.
LET ME FIGURE OUT A PATH FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST HAVE LAST, LAST THING, ONE LAST THING.
AND THAT IS WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE BASIC PLAN.
SO THEN IT'S GOING TO BE LAYING MORE BECAUSE HE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, DETAIL PLAN LATER.
BUT I THINK BY THEN WE WILL HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WE WANT THE BUILDING TO LOOK LIKE AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
I MEAN, THE DETAILED PLAN IS, WELL, I KNOW BY THEN WE WILL, BUT WHEN IS IT BY THEN GOING TO BE AS FAR AS HE'S CONCERNED? I'M, I I THINK WE NEED TO BE FAIR WITH HIM AS WELL.
WELL, I MEAN IT REALLY THAT, ASSUMING THAT THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BODY IN SEPTEMBER, UM, AND COUNSEL WERE TO GO KIND OF THE NORMAL PATHWAY, UM, THERE WOULD BE A DECISION BY NOVEMBER.
IN THE YEAR, YOU CAN'T DO YOUR BUILDING UNTIL THEN.
SO DOES THAT FIT INTO YOUR WELL, I MEAN, IT'LL HAVE TO, BUT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE MY PROBLEM IS, AND MY CLIENT'S PROBLEM WITH ME IS DO WANT, DOES HE WANT ME TO START DOING WORK? I DON'T WANT DO WORK THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DECLINE.
SO, AND HE, BECAUSE I'M GONNA STILL CHARGE HIM AND HE'S NOT GONNA LIKE IT.
BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DECLINE IT, YOU NEED TO TELL ME YOU'RE CLIENT AND WE'LL JUST END THIS THING.
AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THE DETAILED DISCUSSION WILL TAKE THIS ALL
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE SONY CASE? HELLO, MY NAME'S MIKE SMITH.
UM, I'M A OWNER OF AN ADJACENT PROPERTY ON TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD, UH, HUGHES PETER.
UH, WE'VE BEEN THERE 20 YEARS AT, WE HAVE TWO BUILDINGS.
THERE ARE 8,080 60 TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD.
I'M ON THAT ROAD ALL THE TIME.
WE HAVE A HUNDRED EMPLOYEES IN THAT FACILITY THERE.
UH, SO, UH, I'M NOT REALLY SPEAKING TO THE GATEWAY OR TO, UH, THE BUSINESS, BUT WE'RE, I'M IN OPPOSITION OF THIS, UH, APPLICATION FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
UH, THE EXISTING TRAFFIC PATTERN IS VERY PROHIBITIVE THERE.
UM, THE TRAFFIC VOLUME IS INCREASING AND, UH, ESPECIALLY DURING RUSH HOUR, UH, IT'S, IT, IT'S HARD TO APPRECIATE THIS, BUT IF YOU'RE THERE ALL THE TIME, LIKE I AM, IT'S REALLY A VERY CONGESTED AREA.
AND THE WAY THAT S COMES OFF OF 2 35 AND TECHNOLOGY, THERE IT IS.
UH, AND THEN OF COURSE WITH BUCKY'S COMING IN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLANS ARE UNLESS IT'S GONNA BE A EIGHT LANE HIGHWAY, IT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
AND HAVING THAT BUILDING FACILITY RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER THERE, IT'S JUST TOO TIGHT BECAUSE YOU COME OVER THAT BRIDGE GOING NORTH, AND IF YOU'RE TURNING LEFT, UH, THE PEOPLE COMING ON BEHIND 55 MILES AN HOUR, UH, IT'S A PROBLEM.
THEY'RE JUST NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO LEFT TURN SIGNALS, BRAKE LIGHTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRUCKS THERE ALREADY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CURRENT TRA TRAFFIC PATTERN, THERE'S BEEN ACCIDENTS THERE ALREADY, UH, OVER THE, OVER THE YEARS THAT I'VE SEEN MANY PEOPLE GET HURT THERE BY THE BP IN THAT AREA.
SO I THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING THAT THAT WHOLE SCENARIO IN AND OF ITSELF WITH JUST THE, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE THERE, UM, IT'S, IT'S, UH, SOMETHING I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN FOR, FOR MY EMPLOYEES AND, AND JUST PEOPLE IN GENERAL BECAUSE IT'S, I GET THE TRUCKS ARE THERE, BUT WE'RE AN INDUSTRIAL COMPANY, WE'RE A DISTRIBUTOR, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ALL TRUCKS, BUT THERE'S A TON OF TRUCKS THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, JUST HAVING THAT TYPE OF FACILITY THERE IN THAT LOCATION, I THINK IT'S BETTER SUITED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND, UH, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS GONNA BE TOUGH FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THAT THERE.
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SIR? MIKE SMITH? YES.I THINK MS. MARGO, MR. SORELL, IS THERE SOME WAY THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT ENTIRE AREA? BECAUSE IF WE'RE, IF WE HAVE TWO FACILITIES THAT ARE GOING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING, SHOULD WE NOT LOOK AT EVERYTHING INSTEAD OF ONE AT A TIME? YES, SIR.
SO, UM, I ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, WHICH SHOWS, UH, THE IMPACTS OF, UH, POTENTIALLY A VERY LARGE USER, UH, WHICH WILL TAKE, WHICH WE WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, BUT THAT'S ONLY ONE USER.
NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO USERS, SO THEY KIND OF BUILD ON EACH OTHER.
UM, SO THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT IS BEING, UH, UNDERTAKEN NOW WOULD ACCOUNT FOR THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THAT IS, UM, GENERATED BY THIS FACILITY.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT TRUCK TRAFFIC AND THE OTHER FACILITY IS THE VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
UM, SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL COUNT EVERYTHING WITH WHEELS, UH, THAT GO, THAT GOES BY, UH, AND, AND THE SPLIT ON WHICH GOES DOWN THE PARTS WHICH GOES DOWN TECHNOLOGY, WHICH WOULD GO NORTH.
SO IT, IT ALL TAKES INTO ACCOUNT.
SO ANY DECISION THAT WE MAKE WILL BE BASED ON THAT TRAFFIC STUDY THAT'S BEING DONE BY ONE.
THE, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US IS PRETTY MINIMAL COMPARED TO WHAT POTENTIALLY IS THERE IS COMING, WHICH WE COULD TALK ABOUT NEXT.
IT IS, BUT THEY'RE NOT COMING ALL AT ONE TIME.
IT MIGHT BE ONE OR TWO OR THREE AN HOUR, WHICH IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF MEANS IS, IS PRETTY MINIMAL THAT THAT TURN THERE IS SO TIGHT.
MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE CORNER THERE, THAT TURN IS, UH, IT, IT'S ALREADY DANG FEET WITH BP.
AND, UH, I, THERE, THERE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TO BUCK BEFORE.
THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VEHICLES.
SO IT'S, YES, IT'S GONNA BE A MAJOR PROBLEM.
THERE WILL BE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE NECESSARY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON YOUR ZONING CASE? HEARING NINE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO TABLE, UH, THIS ZONING CASE TILL SEPTEMBER THE 12TH, MOVE BY MS. THOMAS.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. CASSIDY? NO.
UH, FOUR TO ONE TO TABLE, WHICH IS SEPTEMBER 12TH CASE 2245.
UH, NEXT UNDER ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, ADDITIONAL BUSINESS BUCKY'S.
MR. RE, UM, YEAH, SO THE, AS I MENTIONED, THE UM, ENGINEER COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY.
SORRY, THE SITE PLAN WAS, UH, WAS PART OF THE ELECTRONIC, SORRY, THE SITE PLAN WAS PART OF THE ELECTRONIC, UM, AGENDA.
I JUST WAS LOOKING TO SEE IF YOU HAD ANY INITIAL, UM, THOUGHTS THAT I SHOULD PASS ALONG TO THE APPLICANTS.
UM, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WILL MAKE APPLICATION THIS MONTH, UM, TO BE HEARD IN, UH, HOPEFULLY IN SEPTEMBER.
BUT WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY BEING PROPOSED IS, UH, ON A 52, UH, ACRE SITE, 75,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, STORE PARKING FUELING, UH, AND, AND A SIGNIFICANT RETENTION POND.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW, UH, IN THEIR CONVERSATIONS WITH 'EM, THEY'VE SUBMITTED THEIR, UH, TRAFFIC COUNTS, UM, TO ODOT.
SO ODOT IS LOOKING AT, UH, THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED ALONG 2 35.
UH, AND SO I ANTICIPATE THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE PART OF THAT SUBMISSION, BUT IT MAY BE DELAYED, UH, SLIGHTLY, UH, AS ODOT GOES THROUGH THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS.
BUT, UH, WHAT'S BEING LAID OUT THERE IS 120 FUELING PUMPS, UH, ABOUT 800 PARKING SPACES, 75,000 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE.
THE, THE ALIGNMENT IS, UM, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS APO, UH,
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PROPOSED FOR THE MUCH SMALLER CONVENIENCE STORE THAT WAS GONNA GO RIGHT HERE.IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE WAS A NINE ACRES THAT WAS GOING TO BE A CONVENIENCE STORE AS WELL AS HEAVY TRUCK REPAIR FACILITY, UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS AT, AT THE, AT THE LIGHT HERE AT, UH, UM, I'M DRAWING A BLANK HERE, A CENTER POINT 70.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THERE'LL BE A WRITE IN, WRITE OUT AS PROPOSED RIGHT NOW ALONG, UH, 2 35 RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH, UH, SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH 'EM.
WE'RE BUILDING, UH, A LIFT STATION, UH, IN THIS AREA, UM, TO VACATE A SANITARY THAT CURRENTLY WOULD BE RUNNING UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.
THAT'LL BE VACATED ONCE OUR LIFT STATION IS COMPLETE.
WE MAY BEEN WORKING WITH OUR ENGINEER ON, ON THE RIGHT, UH, GEOMETRY FOR THAT, UH, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S INCORPORATED INTO THEIR PLANS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.
THE LAST CONVERSATION WAS THAT, UM, WE EXPECT AN APPLICATION, UH, INITIAL APPLICATION BY THE END OF THIS WEEK, GIVE OR TAKE.
UH, AND THEN I WAS GONNA PROVIDE THEM SOME FEEDBACK THAT YOU MAY HAVE AND IF WE NEED TO, GIVING THEM SOME TIME TO ADJUST THEIR PLANS BASED ON SOME FEEDBACK HERE.
UH, AND WITH THE SUBMISSION TO US BY THE, AROUND THE END OF THE MONTH.
YOUR, IS THIS ALL JUST, UH, NON, IS THIS ALL NON-COMMERCIAL? LIKE THERE'S NO SEMI COMPANY STATIONS OR, SO MY UNDERSTANDING HAVING NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF THESE FACILITIES IS THAT THEY CATER TO, UH, AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC ONLY.
UH, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SITE, I DID NOT SEE ANY, UH, SEMI-TRUCK, UM, PARKING OR REFUELING OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD BE A SEMI-TRUCK HEAVY KIND OF FACILITY.
THE LARGER SPACES BACK HERE, UH, ARE REALLY GEARED TOWARDS RVS.
UH, THE PUMPS ARE NOT SET UP FOR, UH, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL WHEN I, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF LOOKED AROUND AT, AT THE VARIOUS FACILITIES THEY HAVE AT THE COUNTRY, UM, THEY'RE NOT SET UP TO, TO DO REFUELING FOR, UH, SEMI TRUCKS.
AND NOR DOES THAT SEEM TO BE ENCOURAGED.
WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS? WOULD O D O TAKE CARE OF SOME OF IT OR WOULD IT BE BUCKY'S OR WOULD IT BE CITY OR COMBINATION? SO, UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM REGARDING THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS YET.
'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ODOT IS GOING TO REQUIRE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN.
UH, SO THAT IS YET TO BE DETERMINED.
WE HAVEN'T ASKED FOR ANYTHING, SO THAT'S GOOD.
UM, BUT, UH, AT, AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT SURE WE KNOW WHAT THE EXTENT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY.
IF, IF YOU'VE BEEN BY THERE RECENTLY OR, WELL, NOT REALLY RECENTLY, SINCE 2 35 WAS, IT'S A PRETTY STEEP GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN THE, THE TOP OF 2 35 AND, AND THE, THE FARM WHAT IS NOW A FARM FIELD.
SO THERE WILL BE SOME, SOME SIGNIFICANT GRADING REQUIRED, UH, MAINLY HERE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS THIS SITE IS SET BACK.
'CAUSE THERE'S ABOUT AN EIGHT FOOT DROP BETWEEN THE TOP OF THE ROAD, UH, AND THE, AND THE BOTTOM OF THE FIELD.
AND WILL WE HAVE O KNOTS REPORT BEFORE WE, UH, HAVE, TAKE A LOOK AT THE APPLICATION? UM, THAT IS UNCLEAR.
I WOULD THINK THAT, UM, WE WILL HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY BEFORE WE BRING, BEFORE WE GET A FINAL DECISION FROM THIS BODY.
I THINK THAT WILL BE, I THINK THE MAIN TOPIC OF DISCUSSION IS LIKELY TO BE TRAFFIC AND HOW THAT'S MANAGED.
UM, SO, UM, I WOULD, I'M HOPEFUL THAT THAT TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE SUBMITTED AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, IF NOT, I THINK THAT IT IS, UH, VERY REASONABLE TO, YOU KNOW, WAIT TO SEE WHAT THAT THAT ENTAILS OR AT LEAST WHAT THE PRELIMINARY ROADWAY REQUIREMENTS, UH, IMPROVEMENTS ARE GONNA BE.
UM, WHAT'S NOT IN HERE, AND WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM, IS, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS HAVE, UH, POTENTIAL, UH, THE ABILITY TO IMPROVE OR EXPAND, UH, ACCESS TO THE EAST.
THERE'S ABOUT 300 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS TO THE EAST THAT AT THE FUTURE, UH, MAY, MAY OPEN ITSELF UP TO DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THESE KIND OF, OR SOMEBODY'S GONNA MAKE THESE KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS INTERSECTION AND THEY PROBABLY MAKE SENSE TO, TO HAVE THAT POTENTIAL ACCESS, UH, IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD BE, UH, FASTER AND MORE DIRECT WAY TO 70 THAN GOING UP, YOU KNOW, 40 AND KIND OF AROUND AND ALSO WOULD, COULD FURTHER DIRECT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC OR VEHICLES TO THIS AREA RATHER THAN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE NORTH.
AND IS THAT ALL WITHIN THE CITY OR IS IT PART OF IT? YES, THAT, YEAH, SO THE CITY IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY REALLY END RIGHT HERE.
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IS GREEN COUNTY.SO WILL WE BE WORKING IN COMBINATION WITH THEM OR JUST LEAVE IT UP TO ODOT TO, SO THERE ARE NO IMPROVEMENTS IN GREEN COUNTY THAT WOULD, WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IS ESSENTIALLY AN EASEMENT, UM, FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IF IT WERE TO OCCUR, UM, OR SO THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO IMPROVE THIS AREA.
SO LIKE THE RETENTION POND MAY NEED TO SHRINK A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT I THINK THEY'RE MINOR, MINOR ISSUES.
WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS JUST TO, TO, UM, WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE ABILITY FOR THAT TO BE DEVELOPED IF AT SOME POINT IN TIME IT WERE TO HAPPEN.
WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING REALLY IS WILL THERE BE CONVERSATION WITH GREEN COUNTY OR ANY, ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE INVOLVED AT A LATER TIME? SO THIS MATTER PROPERTY? YES.
UM, I DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE, TO THE REAR.
AT LEAST WE WON'T BE HAVING 'EM WITH A, A USER SUCH AS THIS.
ODOT IS CERTAINLY AT THE TABLE ON ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE, WE'RE RIGHT HERE AT THE INTERCHANGE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THIS IS REALLY ODO T'S WORLD, UM, IN THIS, IN THIS AREA.
SO, UM, THEY'RE LEADING THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, I KNOW OUR ENGINEER'S BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH 'EM, SO, UM, IT, THE TRAFFIC WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ISSUES THAT WAS DIS WAS DISCUSSED AND BROUGHT UP MR. JEFFS, AARON, THE PROPERTY TO THE REAR.
DID YOU SAY THAT THAT IS OR IS NOT THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS? IT IS NOT.
THIS IS THE NORTH OR YEAH, NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF THAT INTERCHANGE.
AND THIS IS AS FAR EAST AS WE GO AT THE MOMENT.
AND CAN WE I GUESS REP THEM BRING NOT JUST A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT ACTUAL TRAFFIC DATA FROM THEIR STORES? THEY HAVE ONE IN KENTUCKY, SO I'D BE CURIOUS ON WHAT THAT CAR COUNT ACTUALLY IS AND THE TRANSACTION COUNT IS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME TRAFFIC STUDIES, I DON'T BELIEVE.
YEAH, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT CONVENIENCE STORES, UM, MOST OF THE IN GAS STATIONS, THE, THE RULE OF THUMB IS THAT ABOUT 75% OF THAT TRAFFIC IS PASSED BY.
IT'S JUST, AND THIS IS NOT THE CASE, RIGHT? THIS IS A, A DESTINATION.
THEIR REAL NUMBERS, NOT ATTRACTIVE STUDY.
AND WE WILL, WE WILL GET THE TRAFFIC STUDY ALSO, BUT YEAH, I I WOULD WANT THEIR REAL NUMBERS.
YOU'RE NOT CASUALLY GOING BY HERE.
IT'S, I HEAR IT'S A NICE PLACE.
WE HAVE NOT HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT? THANKS SIR.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
SO SINCE I'M HERE UNDER THE SAME, UM, ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, UM, THE, SO CITY COUNCIL PASSED A MORATORIUM ON, UM, SELF STORAGE FACILITIES AND, UH, THERE'S A SIX MONTH MORATORIUM TO GIVE US TIME TO DRAFT ADDITIONAL, UH, REGULATIONS OR, OR NEW ZONING REGULATIONS FOR, UH, SALE STORAGE FACILITIES.
MY GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT DRAFTED BY OCTOBER, UH, FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING.
I THINK THE SEPTEMBER MEETING IS GONNA BE, UM, QUITE FULL.
UH, SO TO BRING THE FIRST DRAFT TO YOU BY OCTOBER.
UH, SO IF YOU HAVE, I KNOW A NUMBER OF YOU HAVE MENTIONED TO ME CONCERNS ABOUT SELF STORAGE FACILITIES.
SO IF YOU HAVE PARTICULAR ISSUES YOU WANT ME TO MAKE SURE THAT I ADDRESS, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME AS I I START TO COMPILE, UH, DRAFT, UH, REVISIONS TO THE ZONE ORDINANCE.
UH, PLAINTIFF COMMISSIONER, UH, HANG ON.
ARE WE NOT GOING TO HAVE COMMENTARY ON BUFFY'S? UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, I GUESS IT'D BE A, I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO WAIT UNTIL A REPRESENTATIVE FROM BUCKY SEE HER.
WELL, I, I GUESS, UH, I DON'T, UH, I DON'T UH, FULLY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
ONCE YOU COME ON UP HERE, THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND OKAY.
UM, UH, SO MY NAME'S ANDY SLANER.
UM, I DON'T LIVE, I GREW UP IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
UH, SO, UH, MY QUESTION, I GUESS RELATED TO THE PROCESS,
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UM, AT THE SEPTEMBER 12TH MEETING, IS THAT GOING TO BE A SITE PLAN THAT'S JUST GOING TO GET AN UP OR DOWN OR WHERE ARE WE IN THE PROCESS? SO RIGHT NOW THEY'VE NOT MADE ANY FORMAL APPLICATION.UM, SO WE EXPECT AN APPLICATION LATER THIS MONTH, UH, WHICH WOULD THEN PLACE IT ON THE SEPTEMBER 12TH, UH, AGENDA FOR, UH, A REZONING IS REQUIRED.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE THREE PARCELS THAT AREN'T ZONE CORRECTLY.
SO, UM, SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS CASE, UM, THERE WILL BE A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, REQUIRE A APPROVAL.
SO, UH, WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE, THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN REALLY SETS THE USES ON THE SITE AS WELL AS THE, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, SO ACCESS AND EGRESS, UM, INTERNAL CIRCULATION, BASIC SORT OF OUTLINES OF, OF PARKING, BUILDING SIZE, THAT KIND OF THING.
THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED ON THE 12TH.
UH, IF THIS BODY DECIDES THAT THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD, THEN A RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE MOVED TO COUNSEL FOR THE REZONING BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
UH, AND THAT WOULD BE HEARD, UH, PROBABLY IN, PROBABLY IN OCTOBER, SEPTEMBER, MAYBE IN OCTOBER, UH, PROBABLY NOVEMBER.
IT DEPENDS ON, THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FOR LEGAL NOTICES.
SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE CALENDAR FALLS.
SO LATE SEPTEMBER, EARLY NOVEMBER.
I'M SORRY, LATE OCTOBER, EARLY NOVEMBER.
SO IF, IF THERE IS FEEDBACK, UH, IT CAN BE INCORPORATED IF PROVIDED AT THE NINE 12 MEETING.
SO THE, WHAT I TELL APPLICANTS IS THE ENTIRE PROCESS FROM BEGINNING TO END FOR A REZONING TO BANK ON ABOUT 120 DAYS, UH, AND AT LEAST THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO THERE IS, THERE IS AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO COMMENT, MAKE, UH, MAKE REVISIONS, ET CETERA.
OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON WITH APPROVAL MINUTES.
THE PLAN COMMISSION IN JULY 11TH MINUTES WOULD BE APPROVED WITHOUT ANY OBJECTIONS AND HEARING NONE, THEY ARE APPROVED.
THE REPORTS IN CALENDAR REVIEW, MR. RELL, ANYTHING YOU ADD.
UM, SO, UH, UH, WHAT WE ALSO EXPECT AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING WILL BE, UH, R H M FOR THEIR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON SUBMITTAL.
UH, EXPECT TO HAVE THAT, UH, AS WELL.
SO WE'LL HAVE A FULL SEPTEMBER AGENDA.
UM, THAT IS THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD THAT, UH, THAT WE SOLD, UM, THE PROPERTY.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A LOT OF NEW FACES.