[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK, WORK SESSION.
TODAY'S DATE IS JUNE THE 20TH, 2023.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT SIX O'CLOCK.
UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO, MR. ROGERS, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? MR. SHAW? HERE.
UH, FIRST ALL I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, UM, THANK YOU, COUNSEL FOR, UM, APPROVING OF MY ABSENCE WHILE I WAS GONE.
THANK YOU TO VICE MAYOR BAKER FOR FILLING INTERIM WHILE I WAS GONE.
UH, HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE I HAVE SPENT THE LAST, UH, THREE WEEKS IN TEXAS DUE TO THE BIRTH OF A NEW GRANDDAUGHTER.
UH, THAT'S THE REASON THAT I WAS NOT HERE, AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF EVERYONE UNDERSTANDING, UH, WHY I WAS GONE.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND, UM, CONGRATULATIONS TO MY SON VINCE AND HIS WIFE KIM, ON THE BIRTH OF THEIR DAUGHTER CHARLOTTE.
YES, I'M THRILLED THAT YOU'RE BACK,
[2. Approval Of Minutes]
UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.AND THOSE MINUTES ARE FROM JUNE THE SIXTH OF 2023.
THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.
IF THERE'S ANY CORRECTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
OTHERWISE, THEY WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
NEXT UP AS I NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE REASON WE'RE HERE.
IT IS THE TOPICS OF OUR WORKS, UH, DISCUSSION, UH, THIS EVENING.
[ City Manager Report]
A TO GET US STARTED IS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT.SO, BRIAN, IF YOU WOULD, UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
A FEW ITEMS FOR, UH, COUNSEL AND THE COMMUNITY THIS EVENING.
UH, FIRST, THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER, WE HAD SOME, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, UM, WOOL WILPERT STUDY, THE, UH, FACILITY MAINTENANCE STUDY, AND, UH, SOME OF ITS INITIAL FINDINGS.
AND, UH, WHILE WE, UH, AND THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION, WE WERE ASKED, UH, ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE HAD SPENT PREVIOUSLY, UH, WITH REGARD TO LIKE, AND SIMILAR ITEMS IDENTIFIED, UH, IN THIS STUDY.
SO, UH, FOLLOWING UP ON COUNSEL'S REQUEST, WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY, UH, 3.28 MILLION, UH, WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
UH, AND THAT, UH, FACTORS OUT TO ABOUT, UH, $656,045 ANNUALLY, IS WHAT, UH, WE INVEST IN OUR, UH, IN OUR FACILITIES WITH ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND UPDATES.
SO, WANTED TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION, UH, WITH COUNSEL.
SPEAKING OF UPDATES TO OUR FACILITIES, MANY OF YOU RECALL THAT, UH, JENNIFER COCHRAN HUBER HEIGHTS RESIDENCE, UH, WAS HERE, UH, BEFORE COUNSEL ADVOCATING FOR ADULT CHANGING TABLES NOT TOO LONG AGO.
UH, AND THERE WAS A VERY NICE ARTICLE, UH, TODAY IN THE DAYTON DAILY NEWS, UH, ABOUT HER AND HER EFFORTS.
UH, I'M HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THAT, UH, SHE HAS BEEN IN, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR PARTNER, M E M I, OVER AT THE ROSE, UH, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY, UH, ONE RESTROOM, UH, BACK IN THE V I P AREA THAT CAN ACTUALLY ACCOMMODATE, UH, AN ADULT CHANGING TABLE.
SO, UH, THROUGH A GRANT, UH, WE WILL BE INSTALLING, UH, A TABLE AT THAT LOCATION.
UH, AND ONCE THAT BECOMES AVAILABLE, WE'LL HAVE INSTRUCTIONS AVAILABLE AT THE FACILITY ON HOW PEOPLE CAN ACCESS THAT, UH, EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT NOT BE V I P MEMBERS.
BUT, UH, I DID WANT TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE OF THAT.
UH, SPEAKING OF THE ROSE, UH, AND OUR PARTNERS OVER AT M E M I, UH, I ALSO WANNA MAKE A NOTE TO EVERYONE THAT, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR, UH, ROSE APP, UH, YOU WILL NOTE THERE IS NO CONCERT ON SEPTEMBER 16TH.
UH, BUT THERE WILL BE, UH, BECAUSE THIS YEAR ME, M I IS PARTNERING WITH, UH, THE DDC, UH, TO HOST THE, UH, MIAMI VALLEY MILITARY AFFAIRS, UH, APPRECIATION NIGHT, UH, AT THE ROSE ON SEPTEMBER 16TH.
SO, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, THE ARTIST IS, UH, IS GONNA BE A GOOD DRAW.
AND ALTHOUGH I CANNOT SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL, IT WILL BE PUBLIC VERY SHORTLY.
UH, BUT, UH, I DO WANT TO THANK, UM, UH, OUR FRIENDS OVER AT M E I AND THE D D C, UH, FOR ALLOWING US TO, TO PARTNER WITH THEM, UH, TO HOST THIS VERY IMPORTANT EVENT, ESPECIALLY, UH, WITH, UH, OUR COMMUNITY'S CLOSE TIES TO, UH, WRIGHT PATTERSON AIR FORCE AND THE MILITARY.
UH, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I ALSO WANT TO, UH, BRING EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION, UH, TO THE MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL, WHICH WILL BE HAPPENING ON SATURDAY THE 24TH, UH, OVER AT THE IKE ON BRANT PIKE.
UH, THE, UH, EVENT WILL BE FROM 12:00 PM TILL 6:00 PM UH, AND WILL FOCUS, UH, PERFORMANCES BY A NUMBER OF GROUPS, UH, INCLUDING THE LOVELOCK'S EXPERIMENT, UH, THE PANAMA DANCE GROUP, UH, THE OKINAWA DRUM AND DANCE GROUP, AS WELL AS THE TURKISH DANCE TROOP.
UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER, UH, VENDORS AND PERFORMERS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT EVENT.
WE WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO ATTEND.
UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TODAY, SIR, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT COUNSEL HAS FOR ME.
ANYTHING FOR BRIAN REGARDING ANYTHING HE DISCUSSED HERE IN HIS UPDATE THIS EVENING? YES.
I WOULD JUST LIKE, THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR HELPING WITH THE ADULT CHANGING TABLE.
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EXCUSE ME.[ City Liability Insurance]
UP IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS CITY LIABILITY INSURANCE.SO IF YOU RECALL BACK IN APRIL, I BELIEVE IT WAS APRIL, UM, WE CAME TO YOU ASKING OR REQUESTING THAT WE EXTEND, UM, OUR INSURANCE COVERAGE WITH TRAVELERS, UH, DUE TO ALLOWING US TO GET MORE TIME TO GET THE INFORMATION AND ALLOWING THE CARRIERS TO PROVIDE QUOTES.
UM, WE NOW HAVE, SINCE RECEIVED QUOTES, WE HAVE TWO COMPETITIVE QUOTES.
UM, ONE TRAVELERS AND ONE IS SELECTIVE INSURANCE.
UM, SELECTIVE INSURANCE HAS COME IN WITH, UH, $343,093 WHERE TRAVELERS, I BELIEVE WAS, I APOLOGIZE, $348,935.
UH, THE RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING IS TO GO WITH TRAVELERS, OR I'M SORRY, WITH SELECTION INSURANCE.
UM, THEY DO OFFER BETTER COVERAGE.
THEY ARE PROVIDING US WITH, UM, FULL LIMITS ON OUR STREETLIGHTS AND OPTUM SYSTEM, AND THEY ARE ONE OF THE ONES THAT, UH, ONE OF THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE, UM, OPTED TO PROVIDE US FIREFIGHTER TRAINING COVERAGE.
SO THE FIREFIGHTER, THE FIRE DIVISION IS PROVIDING TRAINING THROUGH OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS, BRINGING THEM INTO OUR CITY HERE AND PROVIDING TRAINING, AND THEY ARE WILLING TO COVER THAT FOR US.
SO THAT'S A HUGE, HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT.
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND GOING WITH SELECTIVE INSURANCE.
UM, WE DO ALSO HAVE CRIME, WHICH IS FORGERY AND THE THINGS THAT FOLLOW WITH CRIME.
WE ARE GOING TO REQUEST TO CONTINUE WITH TRAVELERS.
THEY HAVE PROVIDED A QUOTE LAST YEAR THAT FOLLOWS ALL THE WAY THROUGH MAY OF 2024.
SO WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT.
THEY PROVIDE BETTER COVERAGE, UM, MORE COVERAGE FOR CRIMES.
WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH THAT.
SO WE ARE DOING, I WOULD RECOMMEND SELECTIVE, BUT THEN KEEPING CRIME WITH TRAVELERS.
SO I WOULD WRITE THE LEGISLATION AS SUCH.
LEGISLATION IN YOUR PACKET YOU RECEIVED DID NOT HAVE AMOUNTS IN IT BECAUSE I WAS STILL WORKING WITH THE COMPANY TO TRY AND FINALIZE ALL THE NUMBERS.
SO I WILL PUT THOSE DOLLAR AMOUNTS IN THAT RESOLUTION, UM, WHICH THE RESOLUTION WILL READ, UM, TO PROVIDE INSURANCE COVERAGE THROUGH MARSHA MCLENNAN, THROUGH THE COMPANIES OF SELECTIVE INSURANCE AND TRAVELERS THROUGH A PREMIUM COST OF 344,000.
I ROUNDED THE 3 43 UP TO 3 44.
UM, AND THEN ADDITIONAL PREMIUM AND DEDUCTIBLE AMOUNTS IN THE AMOUNT OF 25,000 IN THE EVENT.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL PREMIUMS, WHICH WE WILL HAVE THAT WITH IF WE BUY CRUISERS OR OTHER VEHICLES.
UM, THOSE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL PREMIUMS TO THEM.
AND IF THERE'S OTHER DEDUCTIBLES, WE WOULD TAKE THAT FROM THAT 25,000, UM, FOR AN ADDITIONAL FOR COST NOT TO EXCEED $369,000.
THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR MONDAY NIGHT.
THANK YOU, KATIE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR KATIE REGARDING THE LIABILITY INSURANCE? NANCY? UH, KATIE? YEP.
SINCE WE'RE KEEPING TRAVELERS FOR THE, UM, CRIME MM-HMM.
TRAVELERS PROVIDED BETTER COVERAGE OVERALL FOR CRIME.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY EVENING? CASE? NONE.
[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount – Environmental Doctor – Police Division]
UP IS ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS AN INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCTOR THROUGH THE POLICE DIVISION.AND FOR THAT, WE'LL GO TO CHIEF NER.
UH, THERE'S A NEED TO INCREASE THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT TO ENVIRONMENTAL DOCTOR IN THE AMOUNT OF 30 $37,500.
SEVERAL, UH, WEEKS AGO, WELL, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, UH, MOLD WAS DISCOVERED.
A LARGE AMOUNT OF MOLD WAS DISCOVERED IN THE MEN'S LOCKER ROOM AT THE, UM, POLICE FACILITY.
UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MIKE GRAY, WHO'S BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, THE VENDOR TO, UM, DO AN INSPECTION TO LOCATE ANY FURTHER MOLD.
UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF MORE MOLD WAS DISCOVERED IN THE BUILDING.
SO THERE IS A NEED TO REMEDIATE THE MOLD FROM THE BUILDING, UH, WHICH IS THE REASON FOR THE ASK TONIGHT TO, UH, APPROVE THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT SO WE CAN GET THEM IN HERE TO START THE PROCESS.
CHIEF, ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, FOR CHIEF? DER? I HAVE BRIEF ONE.
DID THEY DETERMINE A ROOT CAUSE? WHAT'S CAUSING THE MOLD? DID MIKE'S MIKE DO KNOW YOU'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE MORE THAN I HAVE? UH, WELL, THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL AREA WAS IN THE LOCKER ROOM.
THE MEN'S LOCKER ROOM IDENTIFIED WHEN THEY WERE REPLACING THE, THE MEN'S LOCKERS.
THERE WAS AN AREA THERE THAT WAS FOUND, UM, IT WAS REMEDIATED.
UM, THEREFORE REQUIRED FURTHER TESTING TO, UM, ASSURE THAT IT WAS NOT THERE ANYMORE.
UM, AND THEN IT WAS NOT TESTED, TESTED, DIDN'T TEST VERY WELL.
SO OTHER AREAS OF THE BUILDING WERE THEN RETESTED, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, GET A BETTER COUNT OF WHERE THEY WERE AT
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WITH AT THAT POINT.AND SO THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS WITHIN THE HBA SYSTEM THAT ARE, UM, BEEN IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE DUCT WORK.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, THEY'LL BE REMEDIATING THAT THROUGH THE DUCT WORK.
UM, THE PROBLEM WE THINK WAS BEING FROM A HUMIDITY PROBLEM, WHICH WITH THE CONTROL SYSTEMS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, MOVING FORWARD, WE'LL ASSURE THAT THOSE ARE STILL WORKING PROPERLY.
BUT WE GOT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY JUST GET THE MOLD REMEDIATED RIGHT NOW, AND THEN FURTHER TESTING, IT'LL COME LATER.
AND HOPEFULLY WITH THE NEW HPA SYSTEMS THAT WE'VE HAD INSTALLED, THOSE WILL NO LONGER BE A PROBLEM.
IT'S KIND OF THE FIRST STEP IN THE NEXT PROCESS.
THAT'S THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR.
[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount – Pinpoint Behavioral Solutions – Fire Division]
UP IS ITEM THREE D, WHICH IS THE INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR PINPOINT BEHAVIORAL SOLUTIONS THROUGH THE FIRE DIVISION.THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT THIS.
UM, LAST YEAR, YOU, UH, UH, COUNSEL HAD AUTHORIZED US TO APPLY FOR, UH, GOVERNOR DEWINE, FIRST RESPONDER, UH, RECRUITMENT, RETENTION AND RESILIENCE, UH, ARPA FUNDING GRANT.
UH, WE WERE AWARDED THAT GRANT AND, UH, WE WERE HERE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, UH, DOING AN R F P, UH, AND IDENTIFIED PINPOINT BEHAVIORAL SERVICES AS OUR CONTRACTOR.
WE HAD A RESIDUAL AMOUNT OF ABOUT $27,900.
UH, WITH THE FEDERAL GRANT MONEY, THEY USUALLY DON'T LIKE US TO TURN MONEY BACK IN BECAUSE THE PROCESS IS ALREADY GOING.
UH, THEY OFFERED US SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UH, NOTHING THAT WAS, WE REALLY SAW AS A TRUE BENEFIT TO THE FIRE DIVISION.
UH, BUT WE DID PROPOSE THAT, UH, WE GO AHEAD AND ROLL THIS OUT INTO THE POLICE DIVISION.
UH, YOU KNOW, WITH US HIRING A MEDICAL DIRECTOR, OUR GOAL IS TO EVENTUALLY SHARE OUR PHYSICIAN WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR PHYSICALS AND WELLNESS PROGRAMS. SO THIS KIND OF ALLOWED US AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND JUMPSTART THAT AS WELL.
AND, UH, THE STATE, UH, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON A COUPLE REVIEWS BACK, BUT THEIR INITIAL, UH, DIRECTOR'S, UH, OPINION WAS, IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD USE OF THE MONEY, UH, WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS AND THEN ALSO, UH, OUR, OUR COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS, OUR DISPATCHERS, OR POLICE PERSONNEL AS WELL.
SO IT KIND OF HELPS TO ROLL THEM INTO THE PROCESS.
SO WE'RE JUST ASKING TO INCREASE THE, UH, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT, UH, TO A TOTAL OF, I HAD IT WRITTEN DOWN HERE TO A TOTAL OF, UM, THAT'S IN THE LEGISLATION, UH, $60,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THAT WILL ALLOW A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER TO WHERE IF WE HAD TO ADD A SERVICE OR WE HAD A NUMBER THAT IS OFF, UH, AND EMPLOYEES THAT WE COULD ADD THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS NOT TO EXCEED ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THIS ON.
[ Fire Division Staffing Update]
IS ITEM THREE E, WHICH IS THE FIRE DIVISION STAFFING UPDATE.THE, UH, UH, SPREADSHEET IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET THAT IS NOT A MISPRINT.
20 DAYS LATER, WE ARE STILL AT 42.
AND, UH, CONTINUING TO CH ALONG WITH FULL STAFF.
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? YES, MARK? YES.
UH, MAYBE FOR YOU, MAYOR AND BRIAN, IF THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT PUTTING THE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY LEVY BACK ON IN NOVEMBER AND WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SEE WHAT TYPE OF APPETITE THE, UH, COUNCIL WOULD HAVE IN DOING THAT.
I BELIEVE THE RESULTS, BRIAN WAS 20 VOTES, UH, CORRECT.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO BRING THAT UP AT LEAST FOR DISCUSSION.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON, UH, WHY, UH, WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT WHY THE RENEWAL FAILED IN, UH, MAY ELECTION.
AND I KNOW, UM, THERE'S SOME IDEAS, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY DISCUSSION, SO IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING I CAN SUPPORT.
UM, I THINK, UH, OBVIOUSLY PUBLIC SAFETY IS VERY IMPORTANT, UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UH, MORE INVOLVEMENT.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE DID A WHOLE LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT IN THE MAY PRIMARY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS BY DESIGN, UH, STRATEGY.
UM, WE HAVE THE, BRIAN, WE HAVE THE IMPACT GROUP WORKING WITH US, UM, FOR THE LEVY IN MAY PRIMARY OR THE MAY ELECTION, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND WHAT DID, WHAT DID WE DO AS FAR AS PROMOTING THAT LEVY FOR THE MAY UH, VOTE? UM, THE, UH, THE CAMPAIGN WAS, UM, A SOFT CAMPAIGN.
UH, WE HAD SOME INITIAL COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UH, WITH REGARD TO, UM, UNDERSTANDING HOW SERVICES WERE PERCEIVED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UH, POLLING WITH REGARD TO, UH, CUSTOMER SATISFACTION.
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UH, AND THEN WE HAD, UH, SOME INITIAL GUIDANCE, UH, ON, UH, DISSEMINATING INFORMATION, UH, VIA SEVERAL DIFFERENT SOCIAL PLATFORMS, UM, SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS THE ONE TOWN HALL MEETING, UH, THAT WE HAD HERE.UM, WE DID, UH, WE DO HAVE A, UH, CALL SET UP, UH, FOR LATER THIS WEEK, UH, WITH THE IMPACT GROUP TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE, UH, WHAT WE, WE COULD HAVE DEFINITELY DONE BETTER, UH, BASED ON, UH, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW FROM THE ELECTION.
UH, AND WE'RE, UH, HAVING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, WHAT OPTIONS MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, WITH REGARD TO, UM, BETTER DELIVERING, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE, UH, IN NOVEMBER.
SO, UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHAT I CAN SHARE WITH YOU AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
RECOGNIZING THAT, UH, DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, UH, WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, UH, TO STAFF AND I THINK TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UH, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT PLANNING FOR, UH, THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.
AND, UH, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A SOFT CAMPAIGN? WELL, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, UH, RECOGNIZED THAT WE WERE OUT, UH, ALMOST FOUR ELECTION CYCLES BEFORE THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE, UH, WAS, UM, UH, WAS SUBJECT TO EXPIRE, OR IS SUBJECT TO EXPIRE.
UH, THE CAMPAIGN WAS LARGELY BASED, UH, I SHOULDN'T SAY THE CAMPAIGN, BUT THE EFFORT WAS LARGELY BASED, UH, ABOUT, UH, EDUCATION, ABOUT REAFFIRMING, UH, THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS AWARE, UH, OF WHAT WE DO, UH, AND HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING IT, SO THAT THEY COULD MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION WHEN THEY WENT TO CAST THEIR BOAT, UH, AT THE MAY ELECTION.
UH, THAT WAS REALLY THE, THE FOCUS OF HOW WE WANTED TO APPROACH THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE WERE MULTI, THERE WERE MORE THAN ONE OPTION OPPORTUNITY AVAILABLE TO HAVE THIS ITEM ON THE BALLOT AND BEFORE THE CITIZENS.
UH, THAT WAS THE, UH, THAT WAS THE APPROACH THAT, UH, WE PUT TOGETHER THE PLAN THAT WE HAD PUT TOGETHER FOR THIS MAY, UH, ELECTION.
RECOGNIZING WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES TODAY.
I DON'T NECESSAR THAT'S NOT TRUE.
I KNOW THAT WE WOULD PUT TOGETHER A DIFFERENT, UM, UH, STRATEGY IN EDUCATING, UH, OUR PUBLIC FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK THAT WE WOULD, UM, LOOK, UH, TO SEE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UM, INVIGORATED AND, AND ENGAGED, UH, AND PARTICIPATING IN, UH, THE PROCESS, UH, COMING UP WITH NOVEMBER.
BUT WE, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT THAT'LL LOOK LIKE.
AND PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER.
WE'D HAVE TO HAVE, UH, IT PASSED BY COUNSEL, UH, EARLY AUGUST, CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, MAYOR, YES, I WOULD, UH, UH, DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS FOR THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
I WOULD LIKE, UH, TO HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE AND THOROUGH REVIEW, UH, WITH THE PRESENTATION FROM THE IMPACT GROUP, UH, SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE STRATEGY IS AND THE PLAN GOING FORWARD.
UH, CUZ I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE SOFT CAMPAIGN AND I'M ON COUNCIL.
SO, UM, BUT YES, TO ANSWER, UH, YOUR QUESTION, I WOULD, UH, DEFINITELY SUPPORT NOVEMBER'S INITIATIVE.
ANYONE ELSE? DON? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, COUNCILMAN LYONS, UH, BROUGHT UP A POINT ABOUT THE CITY'S PROMOTION OF THE, UH, PREVIOUS LEVY.
THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME, UH, EITHER FOR, UH, BRIAN, UH, OR LEGAL COUNSEL TO SPEAK TO WHAT EXACTLY THE CITY CAN OR CANNOT DO WITH REGARD TO PROMOTION OF A LEVY CAMPAIGN.
UH, JUST FOR THE, UH, PUBLIC'S INFORMATION.
UH, I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT BEFORE I COULD REALLY PONTIFICATE WITH ANY SPECIFICITY.
UH, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO REPORT ON THAT MONDAY OR THE NEXT WORK SESSION, WHICHEVER COUNSEL PREFERRED THAT WORKS FOR ME.
UH, THIS IS A CONVERSATION I'VE, UH, BEEN, UH, LOOKING TO, TO HAVE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT WAS ON MY THINGS TO BRING UP HERE VERY SOON.
UM, AS FAR AS USING OF THE IMPACT GROUP, I'M COMPLETELY 100% AGAINST THAT AS I, I MADE THOSE THOUGHTS VERY, UH, WELL KNOWN TO THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER IN HIS OFFICE PRIOR TO THE LAST LEVY AS THIS COUNCIL
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BACK IN, I'M WANTING TO SAY 20 17, 20 18, AGREED NOT TO USE THEM FOR ANY TYPE OF SERVICES, UH, IN THE CITY.UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, THIS COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE LAST, UH, LEVEE WAS NEVER PROVIDED ANY, UM, UH, COST BREAKDOWN.
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE LEVEE FAILS? WHAT HAPPENS IF THE LEVEE PASSES? UH, THERE WAS NO RESEARCH, NO, UM, NO DUE DILIGENCE PROVIDED TO THIS COUNCIL.
IT WAS JUST A MARKETING CAMPAIGN THAT WE HAD NO IDEA, AT LEAST THIS COUNCIL MEMBER DID, OF WHAT WAS GOING TO BE DISSEMINATED, WHAT WAS GONNA BE PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC, WHAT INFORMATION WAS GONNA BE GIVEN.
UM, SO I DEFINITELY, UH, AM DEFINITELY ON BOARD WITH THE MORE INVOLVEMENT, NOT WITH THE IMPACT GROUP.
AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO ALL DISCUSS THE INFORMATION THAT'S GONNA BE PUT OUT IN A FACTUAL, UH, FACTUAL MANNER, UH, AND IN A TIMELY MANNER.
ADDITIONALLY, I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT, UH, DOES THIS COUNCIL WANT TO PUT UP, UH, ANOTHER LEVY OPPORTUNITY IN NOVEMBER WHEN WE KNOW OUR SCHOOL PARTNERS ARE GOING TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING.
UM, WE, WE SEEN HOW THAT JUST WORKED OUT IN MAY.
WE'VE SEEN HOW IT WORKED OUT IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
UM, SO DO, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE, THE CITY WANT TO DO? OR DO WE WANT TO SAY? OKAY.
UM, SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, NOVEMBER IS YOUR TIME.
UH, YOU GET TO EDUCATE THE RESIDENTS 100% ABOUT YOUR LEVY AND WHAT THE NEED IS FOR THE SCHOOL.
CITY'S GONNA TAKE A BACK SEAT AND WE'LL, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK INTO, UH, MAY OF 2024.
UM, SO I, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS.
I WOULD WARRANT THIS, UH, UH, TO BE HELD OVER TO A FUTURE WORK RECESSION MAYOR FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND, AND RESEARCH, UH, BY CITY STAFF AND, AND THIS COUNCIL.
UM, WHOEVER DID THE MARKETING, IT WAS NOT ON OUR BULLETS AND ELECTRONIC BOARDS.
WE DIDN'T DO A MAILING AND WE DIDN'T DO A ONE CALL.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE NEXT, ANY FUTURE CAMPAIGN THAT WE DO.
I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, LAW DIRECTOR'S REPORT ON THE LEGALITIES OF PROMOTION AND, AND MARKETING OF, OF LEVIES.
AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES, UH, IN SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES AND SOME OTHER, IN FACT, I THINK THERE WERE SOME SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS THAT WERE PROSECUTED MM-HMM.
SO I THINK, UH, I WOULD CERTAINLY WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A LEGAL OPINION ON WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO BASED ON MR. WEBB'S QUESTIONS OF THE LAW DIRECTOR.
SO, UH, AS SOON AS YOU CAN HAVE THAT BACK, THEN I WOULD CERTAINLY FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD IN A DISCUSSION WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAD ALL THE INFORMATION.
[ 2024-2028 Capital Improvement Plan]
ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS THE 2024 THROUGH 2028 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.RIGHT? I'M SORRY, THIS IS JIM.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR, AND WELCOME BACK.
UM, I HAVE BEFORE YOU THAT ON 24 TO 28, UH, FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
UH, THIS WAS, UH, HAS BEEN, UH, BROUGHT TO THE LAST TWO WORK SESSIONS AND, UM, UH, BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, UP FOR A VOTE AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, UH, WHICH, UM, WAS, UM, SET ASIDE.
AND SO I WOULD, UH, LOOK TO COUNSEL FOR YOUR GUIDANCE AS TO HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THIS TO, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS POINT.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, I'VE WORKED WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO, UM, PUT IN THEIR, UH, ESTIMATES OVER THE NEXT, UH, FIVE YEARS, WHICH THEY HAVE DONE.
AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, UH, THIS IS NOT, UM, SET IN STONE.
AND SO THIS IS NOT COMMITTING THE CITY TO ANY, UH, FINAL DOLLARS THAT WILL COME.
UH, WELL, THE 2024 BUDGET WILL COME TO LATER THIS YEAR, UH, WHERE THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE, UH, TAKING WHAT IS THE CURRENT PLAN AND MOVING FORWARD, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS ADDED.
THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS SUBTRACTED, BUT THIS IS JUST IN THIS, AT THIS TIME, A PLAN FOR, UH, WHAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD, UH, PLANS ON HAVING OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
SO, UM, WE DO NEED TO, UH, HAVE THIS PASSED BEFORE WE CAN PASS THE TAX BUDGET, WHICH IS ON THE AGENDA FOR LATER TONIGHT.
THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION, WAS TO REMIND ME WHEN THE TAX BUDGET IS DUE
SO YES, IT CAN BE AT THE SAME MEETING, UH, BE ON THE AGENDA.
AND, AND THAT'S FROM OUR CHARTER.
ANY QUESTIONS? I MEAN, THIS WAS MOVED ON FROM THE LAST MEETING, SO I WOULD EXPECT SOME DISCUSSION HERE FOR THE WHOLE REASON THAT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT, RICHARD.
I DO HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS.
I WANNA START WITH WHAT I THINK, UH, SHOULD BE THE
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EASIEST ONE FIRST, UM, IN REVIEW.UM, AND FIRST I WANNA STATE, JIM, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR DESCRIPTION.
THIS IS JUST A PLAN, A HYPOTHETICAL PROCESS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR C I P DOES NOT DEDICATE ANY FUNDS.
UH, THE PASSING OF THIS DOES NOT SAVE, WE'RE GOING TO DO X ON THIS DATE.
IT CAN CHANGE, COULD BE REMOVED, CORRECT.
AM AM I CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, YES.
UM, IN THE, UM, AND THIS, THIS IS AN OPEN QUESTION TO ANYBODY, SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE, UH, UH, JEOPARDY, JUST TAG IN WHEN YOU'RE READY.
UM, ON THE PUBLIC WORKS AREA, I DO SEE THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY AT, UH, UH, 15.6 MILLION IN 2025.
UH, CAN SOMEBODY, UM, PLEASE ADVISE, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE HYPOTHETICAL FUNDING, UM, OF WHAT TO DO WITH THE CURRENT PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, UM, ONCE THE, THE NEW ONE, UM, IS STARTED CONSTRUCTION? CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME THOUGHTS, SOME FEELERS PUT OUT THERE, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY TEARING CERTAIN SECTIONS DOWN, REHABBING CERTAIN SECTIONS.
DOES THE, THE, IS THAT ESTIMATE INCLUDING THAT? NO, IT DOES NOT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK INTO FOR 20 27, 20 28, OR EVEN IN 2025? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PARTICULAR TIMEFRAME IS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A FULL UPDATE ON THIS PACKAGE IN A WHILE.
BUT, UH, JUST LOOKING AT THE C I P, YES, THE, UM, AND ONCE WE HAVE THE UPDATED, WE'LL CALL IT THE FINAL PROJECT SCHEDULE BASED ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW FACILITY, WE WOULD THEN TURN AROUND AND PROVIDE, UM, IN THE NEXT APPROPRIATE, UH, C I P, UM, SERIES, UH, THE MONIES OR THE RECOMMENDED MONIES FOR, UH, RAISING OF THE CURRENT STRUCTURE.
UH, AND THEN, UH, ANY FINAL, UH, I WON'T CALL IT, UM, UH, RESTITUTION, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT, UH, FOR ANY FINAL, UH, UH, UH, DOLLARS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO, UH, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THOSE STRUCTURES THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP I E THE, UH, THE, UH, THIS, THE METAL STORAGE BUILDING, UH, LOCATED AT THE CURRENT FACILITY, IF WE'RE GONNA KEEP THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL NEED TO BE SOME FINAL TOUCH UP WORK TO THAT BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO THE, UH, THE EXISTING BUILDING.
SO THOSE WOULD ALL BE INCLUDED AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
UM, THE NEXT TOPIC, UH, I'M GONNA MOVE TO PARKS, UM, IN THE, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION AREA.
UM, I DID NOTICE, UH, $250,000 FOR THE SPLASH PAD.
UM, I KNOW I HAD SHARED EMAILS BACK IN NOVEMBER AND JUST AS RECENT AS MAY, UH, THAT I THOUGHT THIS WAS A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION THAT COUNSEL SHOULD HAVE AS BY THE APPETITE OF, UH, THE SPLASH PAD, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S BEEN PUT IN SINCE ITS INCEPTION, INCLUDING THE COMPLETE REBUILD OF IT, ALMOST WHAT, UH, I'M GONNA SAY LESS THAN A YEAR AFTER IT WAS BUILT.
AND THEN A LOT OF THE UPKEEP THAT'S BEEN DONE SINCE THEN.
UM, I, I THINK THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS TO, UH, PUT INTO A, A LOST LEADER, UH, OF THAT NATURE DOWN AT CLOUD PARK, I THINK WARRANTS SOME SERIOUS DISCUSSION BY THIS COUNCIL ON THE APPETITE OF CONTINUING THAT, UM, OR WE NEED TO MAKE SOME SERIOUS IMPROVEMENTS DOWN THERE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF A QUESTION AND A COMMENT, UH, FOR EVERYBODY TO KIND OF THINK ON.
UM, NUMBER TWO, UM, IF SOMEBODY CAN EXPLAIN TO ME, UM, OR PROVIDE JUST A LITTLE INSIGHT INTO THE 125,000, UM, LISTED OUT FOR THE SKATE PARK, UH, IN 2024, WHAT WAS THE, UH, THOUGHT BEHIND THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT? WELL, ONCE AGAIN, I RECEIVED THESE FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, SO I WOULD, UH, REFER TO, UH, EITHER BRIAN OR, OR MIKE GRAY ON THIS ONE OKAY.
FOR THE DETAIL AS TO, UH, THE NEED FOR THAT IN 2024 FOR SOME OF THOSE DELIVERS WERE FROM PREVIOUS, UM, PARK MANAGEMENT THAT WERE JUST KIND OF BROUGHT FORWARD THROUGH THE FORMER CIPS.
UM, WITH THOSE THINGS, UH, WERE DISTINGUISHED FOR, ARE KIND OF UNCLEAR AT THIS TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WITH THE PROCESS THAT I'M IN RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO CATCH UP WITH SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WERE PLANNED FOR, OR BASICALLY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, I'M UNSURE OF AT THIS TIME FROM THE FORMER PARKS MANAGER.
UM, NO, STILL, THAT'S JUST SOME STILL CATCH UP NUMBERS, BASICALLY, I DIDN'T CHANGE MUCH OTHER THAN THE THINGS THAT I KNOW NOW THAT WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND THE NEXT ONE, UM, I, I KNOW THIS COUNCIL'S HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION, INCLUDING ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, UH, REGARDING THE, UM, THE MOVEMENT, UH, OF DIAL PARK AND SOME OF THE, UH, THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED, UH, TO BE THERE.
I, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ON HERE.
MAYBE THERE WAS, UH, I KNOW I SEEN SOME INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND NUMBERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, I GUESS I, UH, BRIAN, I'M LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION YOU WAS DIAL PARK,
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UH, AND, UH, THE PREVIOUS TOPIC OF THE CONVERSATION BUILT IN WITH THE C I P, UH, DIAL PARK WAS NOT, UH, INCLUDED AS PART OF THE C I P BECAUSE THE EXPENSES THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WERE AMENDED INTO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.SO THEREFORE, THEIR, UH, THEIR PLACEMENT IN THE C I P IN FUTURE YEARS WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY.
UM, AND OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, MAYOR, I BELIEVE THAT IS, UH, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
SO I WOULD SAY, SO SINCE THIS IS NOT, WE ARE, UH, NONE OF THIS IS ETCHED IN STONE.
I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION, RICHARD.
AND I THINK, UH, WE CAN ADD THE SPLASH PAD DISCUSSION TO, UH, TO A FUTURE WORK SESSION AND ACTUALLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, ASSUMING YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT AND LEAVING THE CIP THE WAY IT IS, UM, CORRECT.
AND WE'LL JUST ADD THE SPLASH PAD DISCUSSION AT A WORK SESSION TO, TO, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FUTURE OF THAT PARTICULAR AMENITY IS GONNA BE.
AND, AND, AND, AND MAYOR WITH, WITH THAT POINT.
UH, I, I'M COMPLETELY FINE WITH THE NUMBERS THAT ARE PRESENTED.
I KNOW IT DOESN'T DIRECT COUNSEL, IT'S JUST A PLAN.
UM, BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION BY THIS COUNSEL FOR AT LEAST THE PAST SEVEN PLUS MONTHS.
UM, AND, UH, I KNOW, UH, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, HAD SOME SERIOUS EMAILS BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION ON THE DAAS.
UM, AND WHEN I SEEN THAT NUMBER, I, I THOUGHT, UH, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE A TOPIC BEFORE WE LOOKED AT A C I P PLAN TO ACTUALLY DEDICATE POTENTIAL ESTIMATED FUNDING TO THAT OR EVEN, UM, PLACE STAFF TIME INTO THAT.
UM, SO UNDERSTANDING THE NEED FOR THE DISCUSSION WILL CERTAINLY BE ON A, ON A VERY INTEREST IN WORKSTATION.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, MAYOR WITH THE, UM, THE COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE, UH, FEASIBLE OBVIOUSLY BEFORE MONDAY, UH, BUT DEFINITELY SOMETIME SOON AS, UH, THE TRANSITION WITH THE PARKS MANAGER, UH, MAYBE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, SOME OF THESE ITEMS HAVE ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED, SOME OF THE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF SEE AN UPDATE ON THAT.
I KNOW THE PARKS AND REC BOARD HAS TALKED ABOUT, UH, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT ITEMS AS WELL.
UM, AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHERE ALL OF THOSE FIT, IF, UM, IF THERE'S BEEN SOME MISCOMMUNICATION, SOME TIMING ISSUES, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GRASPING ALL THAT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
BRIAN, WOULD IT BE AN ISSUE TO HAVE THAT, UH, SOME CORRECTIONS MADE TO SOME OF THE THINGS SPECIFICALLY REGARDING PARKS SINCE WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL PARKS MANAGER NOW? I KNOW MIKE IS SURE.
NO FIGURE ALL THAT OUT, BUT JUST SO THE CIP IS AS UP TO DATE AS WE CAN MAKE IT BEFORE IT'S PASSAGE THAT WE HAVE, JUST SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS REFLECTED THAT OF, OF WHAT WE KNOW VERSUS WHAT WE THINK.
MAYBE, UH, ASSUMING THAT COUNSEL WOULD BIND THIS OVER, NOT TO THE MEETING OF THE 26TH, BUT TO THE MEETING OF, I THINK IT'S JULY 10, WOULD BE THE NEXT ONE ON THE, ON THE CALENDAR.
I MEAN, WE COULD MAKE THOSE UPDATES.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO AS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE US TO AMEND BETWEEN NOW? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING BETWEEN NOW AND THE MEETING, SINCE THIS HAS TO BE PASSED PRIOR TO THE TAX BUDGET, AND THAT'S DUE ON MONDAY, I THINK RICHARD IS THERE.
IF, IF THERE'S A COUPLE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT RICHARD HAS CONCERN WITH RICHARD, COULD YOU EMAIL ME AND BRIAN AND THE, AND MIKE, WHAT THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS ARE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE CHANGED? SO THOSE ADJUSTMENTS ARE MADE IN THE CIP PRIOR TO THE, THE VOTE BEFORE THE TAX BUDGET? YEAH.
NO, I, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO.
AND WE'LL MAKE, WE'LL MAKE THOSE CHANGES THEN.
WITH THAT INFORMATION THAT'S, YEAH, IF WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT A FEW, A, A COUPLE AREAS, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE EASY FOR ME TO MAKE.
I THINK YOU'RE NOT LOOKING TO SCRAP WHOLE THING, RIGHT? YOU'RE JUST, YEAH.
NO, JIM, I'M NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE A WHOLE FUN SECTION.
ANYTHING ELSE? YES, ANITA? YES.
I'M LOOKING AT THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT THING OF 1.8 MILLION, AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT 6 MILLION EVERY 18 MONTHS, AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO THERE, IT DOESN'T EQUAL UP TO THAT.
SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT STANDS.
WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET THAT CORRECTED.
WE'LL GET THAT CORRECTED BEFORE MONDAY.
ALSO, DID WE TAKE IN ANY, ANY CONSIDERATION OF THE REPORT STUDY THAT WE WERE GIVEN? UM, SO, SO AS WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, WHEN THE, THE, UM, THE PRESENTATION WAS GIVEN THE TIMING OF THE INFORMATION, UM, THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM THE, UH, FROM THE CONSULTANT FROM WILPERT, AND OUR ABILITY TO TRANSLATE THAT INFORMATION INTO, WE'LL CALL IT AN ACTUAL INAPPROPRIATE REPRESENTATION IN THIS PARTICULAR C I P, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE WINDOW TO DO THAT.
SO WE WILL GO THROUGH THAT INFORMATION BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT C I P AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE FOR YOU WHEN WE COME BACK TO THE TABLE AT THIS TIME, UH,
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IN 2024, HOW WE'VE TAKEN THAT INFORMATION AND PUT THAT INTO THE CIP SO THAT, UH, WHAT WE'VE ASKED WILPERT TO DO ISN'T, UM, ANOTHER DOOR STOP ON A, ON A SHELF SOMEWHERE.THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION JUST ABOUT THE, UH, CIP IN GENERAL AND IT'S DEVELOPMENT.
UM, MR. BELL STATED THAT THE NUMBERS ARE INPUTTED FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, THEY FORWARD OVER THEIR NUMBERS.
SO AS A GENERAL POLICY, DO YOU ADVISE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS OR THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, UM, GIVEN ADVICE TO GO CONSERVATIVE, GO WHATEVER YOU THINK IS GONNA BE COMING DOWN THE PIKE, GO, GO BIG.
UM, CAN YOU GIMME AN IDEA HOW THAT'S DEVELOPED? SURE.
WE TYPICALLY, UH, APPROACH THE BUDGET FROM, UM, WE, WE TRY ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE TO LIMIT GROWTH IS REALLY WHERE WE, WE TRY TO DO, UM, WHERE WE TRY TO LIMIT OUR, OUR BUDGET GROWTH ON THE CAPITAL SIDE.
UM, TYPICALLY DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE ALLOWED TO, I SHOULDN'T SAY ALLOWED.
TYPICALLY, THEY'RE ENCOURAGED, UM, TO PUT FORWARD THE BUDGETS THAT THEY THINK ARE APPROPRIATE TO BUILD THE PROJECT THE BEST WAY THEY BELIEVE, UH, FOR THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE.
WHATEVER THAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, I DON'T TYPICALLY, UM, GET INVOLVED WITH, HEY, I THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH, OR I THINK THAT'S TOO LITTLE.
TYPICALLY WHERE I'LL GET INVOLVED WOULD BE THINGS LIKE, HEY, I SAW THIS IN A PREVIOUS C I P AND IT WAS $200,000 LESS.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY IT'S $200,000 MORE? SOMETIMES THERE'S A GOOD REASON, SOMETIMES THERE'S NOT.
UH, A LOT OF TIMES WE LOOK AT THE TOTAL, UM, WE TRY TO, AS A MANAGER, I TRY TO MINIMIZE IN FLUXES AND DEPRESSIONS WITHIN THE FINANCIAL STRUCTURE OF, OF THE CITY.
SO I MIGHT APPROACH A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR DIVISION HEAD AND SAY, HEY, UM, YOU PUT THIS ITEM IN YEAR 2025, THERE'S THREE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE THINGS IN 2025, CAN YEARS BE MOVED TO 2024 OR 2026.
BUT TYPICALLY I DON'T, UH, I DON'T TELL DEPARTMENT HEADS OR DIVISION MANAGERS WHAT TO DO.
UM, I LOOK AT THEM AS OUR TRUSTED EXPERTS, AND IF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ENGINEER'S TELLING ME THAT HE NEEDS $6 MILLION EVERY 18 MONTHS OR EVERY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE MAGIC NUMBER IS, THEN I, I'M GONNA DEFER TO HIM, UM, ON THAT MATTER.
SAME WITH THE, THE POLICE CHIEF OR THE FIRE CHIEF, OR THE, THE PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER.
SO THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW THE, THE BUDGET, UM, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE IS, IS ADDRESSED.
SO WE'RE NOT TYPICALLY TRYING TO LIMIT COSTS ON THE CAPITAL SIDE.
UM, I THINK THE CITY'S DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF INVESTING IN ITS CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, OVER TIME COMPARED TO OTHER, OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
AND, UH, THE FACT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, I, I'M GLAD THAT STAFF HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY AND, AND I GIVE THEM THE FREEDOM TO DO THAT AS, AS THEIR MANAGER.
YES, HE, THIS IS KIND OF AN OFF THE WALL THING, BUT IF THE C CIP REALLY DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, IT'S THE BUDGET.
WHO DO WE NEED TO LOBBY TO GET IT TAKEN OFF? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A WASTE OF JIM BELL'S TIME PUTTING THIS TOGETHER IF IT MEANS NOTHING.
SO IS THIS A STATE THING WE NEED TO LOBBY TO, TO GET IT'S PART OF OUR CHARTER YES, MA'AM.
I MEAN, IF IT DOESN'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE IT.
UM, I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS A, A USEFUL TOOL IN UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE MAY HAVE, WHERE WE MAY BE ABLE TO, UM, UH, IDENTIFY RISKS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO HOW WE OPERATE OR TO, NOT NECESSARILY HOW WE OPERATE, BUT W WHERE WE'RE FOCUSING OUR ATTENTION.
SO IF WE MIGHT SEE THE SAME NUMBER RETURNING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN ON A DISCRETIONARY ITEM THAT MIGHT BE AN INDICATOR TO MID-MANAGEMENT OR SENIOR MANAGEMENT THAT, HEY, WE'VE PUT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIR, THIS INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACEMENT OFFICE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME, THERE'S A LIKELIHOOD THAT WE MIGHT HAVE IN ISSUE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
MAYBE WE OUGHT TO COMMIT TO DO THAT.
CONVERSELY, IF WE DON'T SEE ANY NUMBERS IN A PARTICULAR AREA, IN PARTICULAR CATEGORY, THAT MIGHT ALSO BE A, UH, AN INDICATOR FOR A, A MANAGER TO SAY, UH, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS IN A WHILE.
UH, I DON'T RECALL THIS SHOWING UP IN A PAST BUDGET.
WE MIGHT WANNA PUT SOME MONEY TOWARDS THIS AND GET THIS ON THE RADAR SOMEWHERE, UH, SO THAT WE DON'T FORGET ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR EXPENDITURE.
WE DON'T PARTICULARLY FORGET ABOUT THIS INVESTMENT.
UM, THE, UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A, IT'S A DOCUMENT THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S WITHOUT PURPOSE.
UM, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT, IT, IT, IT, IT'S NOT A COMMITMENT IN ADVANCE OF THE BUDGET, RIGHT? BY ADOPTING THIS, IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY PROGRAM COUNSEL CAN TURN AROUND AND SAY, HEY, UM, YOU KNOW,
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UH, WITH THE LEVEE COMING UP, MAYBE WE SHOULD DELAY X, Y, Z UNTIL THAT MATTER IS RESOLVED.UH, MAYBE IT, IT HELPS COUNSEL LOOK AT THE BUDGET, UM, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO, TO FORMULATE THAT AND ADOPT THAT IN, IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER TO SAY, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SHOWING A SURPLUS HERE.
UH, I REMEMBER THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN HAD A SIMILAR EXPENSE THAT WOULD MATCH THIS.
W CAN WE, CAN WE PUT THAT IN SO IT, IT'S A DOCUMENT THAT HAS VALUE IF WE GIVE IT VALUE.
UM, I, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, WHEN WE'RE ADVISING COUNSEL, THIS DOESN'T COMMIT YOU.
DOESN'T MEAN IT'S WORTHLESS, BUT IT DOESN'T COMMIT YOU TO AUTOMATICALLY PROGRAM MONEY IN NOVEMBER.
IT DOESN'T MEAN IF IT'S NOT IN THERE THAT YOU CAN'T SPEND IT.
SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, UH, RICHARD IS GONNA SEND AN EMAIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FEW ITEMS UPDATED WITHIN THE C I.
SO WE HAVE THE MOST UPTODATE CIP WE CAN PRIOR TO THE VOTE ON MONDAY PRIOR TO THE TAX BUDGET.
AND ANTONIO WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UM, THE SPLASH PAD, UH, DISCUSSION ON WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WORK SESSIONS.
AND THEN THERE'S ANITA'S, UH, CHANGES, AND THEN YES, CHANGE FOR THE WATER.
AND THIS WILL BE AT A SECOND READING ON MONDAY.
SO WE'LL, UH, HAVE AN AMENDED C I P TO ATTACH AS EXHIBIT A, AND THEN AFTER THE AMENDMENT IS PAST, COUNSEL CAN VOTE ON THE ADOPTION.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY WITH THOSE NOTED CORRECTIONS? OKAY.
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IS ITEM THREE G, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.JIM, UH, YES, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I, UH, HAVE PUT INTO YOUR, UH, PACKET, UH, JUST A FEW, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS, UH, ONE WHICH WILL BE DISCUSSED, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE MEETING.
UM, THE, UM, OLD TROY PIKE ADDITIONAL NORTHBOUND LANE PROJECT.
UM, THE BIDS CAME IN FOR THAT, UH, HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED.
AND, UM, UH, THE ENGINEER HAS ASKED ME TO ADD TO THE BUDGET $699,500, UH, FOR THAT WILL GIVE US ENOUGH FOR THE, UH, LOWEST BID THAT HE'S PER PRESENTING TONIGHT.
AND, UM, THAT WILL BE A, UM, TRANSFER FROM THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIF FUND OVER TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FUND.
SO THE, THE FUNDING THAT'S GONNA PAY FOR THIS IS THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIF FUND, UH, WHICH IS WHERE THE, UH, ORIGINAL PROJECT, UH, WAS, UH, BEING FUNDED FROM AS WELL.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ON THE, UH, ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM NOW FOR, UM, I THINK TWO YEARS.
UH, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR SECOND YEAR.
AND, UH, SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THERE'S BEEN, UM, WE SEND DOWN TO MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UM, AUCTIONS OF OUR OLDER VEHICLES, UH, AS WE'RE FULLY, AS WE GET FULLY INTO THE ENTERPRISE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, ENTERPRISE WILL JUST BE TURNING THOSE OVER AND, UM, THERE WON'T BE THAT NEED FOR US TO GO TO MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
SO AS WE SEND MORE VEHICLES, MORE OF THE OLDER VEHICLES TO MONTGOMERY COUNTY TO PUT ON, UH, THEIR, UH, AUCTION SITE, THE FEES ARE GOING UP.
SO, UM, THE MORE VEHICLES, THE MORE FEES.
AND SO OUR ESTIMATE FOR THIS YEAR WAS, UH, SHORT.
AND SO, UM, MY ESTIMATE IS $48,000 SHOULD GET US FOR ANY, UH, SHOULD BE ENOUGH ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO COVER ANY FEES FOR THOSE, UH, VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING AUCTIONED.
AND OF COURSE, WE'RE GETTING REVENUE PROCEEDS FROM THAT AUCTION.
BUT THE FEES THAT WERE BEING CHARGED, UH, FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UH, I ANTICIPATE BEING ABOUT 48,000 COVERS FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.
AND THE THIRD ITEM I HAVE ON HERE, UM, ON WHAT I PUT IN YOUR PACKET, WAS $25,000 FOR MOLD REMEDIATION SERVICES FOR THE POLICE STATION.
AS YOU HEARD THE POLICE CHIEF TALK ABOUT EARLIER TONIGHT.
UM, AS THEY GOT FURTHER INTO THAT PROJECT, THE, UH, THE NEED HAS NOW INCREASED TO 37,500.
SO I WOULD ASK COUNSEL TO, UM, UH, I'D LIKE TO AMEND THAT BEFORE MONDAY'S READING AND HAVE THAT CHANGED FROM 25,000 TO 37,500 TO COVER ALL OF THEIR NEEDS.
I WAS JUST INFORMED OF THAT THIS MORNING.
OTHERWISE, I WOULD'VE GOT THAT OUT TO COUNSEL SOONER.
BUT, UM, UM, I WOULD LIKE THESE, OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT MOLD REMEDIATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO, UH, I WOULD ASK THAT COUNSEL, UM, UH, HAVE TWO READINGS, UH, SUSPENDED AND, UM, AND PASS THAT ON MONDAY NIGHT IF IT'S THEIR WISH.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM? RICHARD? THANK YOU, JIM.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS IN BEFORE, UH, ABOUT, UH, THE, THE AUCTION PROCESS, UH, OF NOT ONLY VEHICLES, BUT OTHER CITIES, UM, ITEMS THAT, THAT GO TO AUCTION.
UM, HOPEFULLY NO MORE THAN THAT.
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WHAT IS STOPPING US FROM DOING THAT OURSELVES INSTEAD OF CONTRACTING THAT AND SENDING THAT DOWN TO MONTGOMERY COUNTY? I WOULD SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, MANPOWER, UM, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.UM, UH, SOMEONE DEVOTED ON STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, UH, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE THAT MUCH STUFF THAT WE SEND DOWN THERE THAT, UM, A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR SOME, I, BECAUSE AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THESE GO TO GOV DEALS, CORRECT? GOV DEALS, YES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL HAS EVER BEEN ON GOV DEALS AND LOOKED AROUND, UH, I MEAN, YOU CAN BUY AN OLD AMBULANCE AND DO ABOUT AMBULANCE, ANYTHING COMING AND GOING, AND IT'S A REALLY COOL SITE, BUT DOESN'T, I'VE NEVER HAD, I'VE NEVER HAD A NEED FOR AN OLD AMBULANCE.
WELL, HEY, YOU KNOW, UH, I DID BUY A JOHN DEERE OFF THERE, SO, UM, UH, BUT, UM, EITHER WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AS STRINGENT FOR US TO DO.
UM, AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THOSE FEES AND THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS THAT MONTGOMERY COUNTY IS CHARGING US.
UM, BECAUSE IF YOU GO ON THERE, YOU SEE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES INDIVIDUALLY THAT DO A LOT OF THEIR OWN AUCTIONS, UH, EVEN HERE REGIONALLY.
UM, NUMBER TWO, UM, IN YOUR OPINION, UM, ARE YOU READY FOR THIS? ARE WE GETTING THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK BY DOING THIS? UH, I MEAN, THAT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION.
THE AMOUNT OF STUFF THAT WE'RE SITTING DOWN THERE THAT WE'RE GETTING REVENUES FROM, AND WITH THE FEES THROW IN SOME MANPOWER COSTS, WHAT ARE WE LEGITIMATELY LOOKING AT? RIGHT.
SO, UM, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT, UM, THIS IS A SHORT TERM ISSUE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE CONCERN WITH REGARD TO THESE FEES AND THE RETURN, REMEMBER, THIS IS AN EQUITY LEASE PROGRAM THAT WE'VE ENTERED INTO.
SO ONCE WE DISPOSE OF OUR INITIAL FLEET THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS, THEN THE REST OF OUR VEHICLES, BY AND LARGE, NOT ALL, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR VEHICLES, WILL THEN BE PUSHED THROUGH, UH, BACK TO ENTERPRISE FOR THEIR SALE, UH, SO THAT THE EQUITY FROM THOSE SALES WILL THEN BE APPLIED AGAINST THE VALUE OF THE VEHICLES THAT WE'RE LEASING IN THE FUTURE.
SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE SEEING THIS INITIAL, OR THIS IMMEDIATE UPTICK IN FEES, BECAUSE WE'RE DISPOSING OF SO MANY VEHICLES, IS LITERALLY A TWO YEAR, MAYBE THREE AT MOST, UH, TREND.
AND THEN, UH, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LEFT WITH ARE THINGS LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, 19 OR 2019 DELL COMPUTERS IN, YOU KNOW, HALF A DOZEN, YOU KNOW, IN 2024 THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO GET RID OF.
I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO SMALLER, SMALLER ITEMS SUCH AS THOSE THAT THE VALUE OF, OF THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT TO HAVE STAFF DO THAT WHEN WE CAN DRIVE IT DOWNTOWN AND ANY NUMBER OF THE TRIPS THAT WE MAKE DOWNTOWN TO, TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY IS, IS WORTH THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
SO I, I WOULD CAUTION COUNSEL THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, IS A, A TEMPORARY TREND, UH, WITH REGARD TO EXPENSE AND REVENUE, UH, UNTIL WE'RE FULLY ENGAGED WITH ENTERPRISE ON THE EQUITY LEASE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UH, IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE TO SEE THOSE TRENDS AFTER WE'RE, WE'RE FULLY EN ENGAL ENGAGED IN THAT PROGRAM, UH, I WOULD BE SURPRISED.
AND, AND IF WE DID FIND OURSELVES IN THAT LOCATION, I WOULD BE THE FIRST PERSON TO, TO WANT TO BRING THAT DISCUSSION BACK TO COUNCIL AND, AND TALK ABOUT, UM, THE POTENTIAL BENEFITS FOR US TO DO IT OURSELVES OR TO PARTNER WITH ANOTHER SMALLER AGENCY TO REDUCE COSTS AND INCREASE PROFIT.
I WAS JUST, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY HAVING THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE, BUT I KNOW WE'RE GETTING INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, FIRE'S GONNA BE LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT APPARATUS.
I MEAN, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE CIP PLAN.
UH, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, SO THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, NEW OFFICE, UH, YOU KNOW, FURNITURE.
THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME NEW APPARATUS ON, ON THAT SIDE THAT'S GONNA BE COMING DOWN TO PIKE.
SO I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST THIS ONE FOR THE VEHICLES, BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED OUT IN THE CITY THAT'S GOING TO BE LONGER THAN A, A TWO, THREE YEAR TIME PERIOD THAT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE AUCTION PROCEEDS AND, AND GETTING THESE ASSETS TAKEN CARE OF THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT EXPENDING THE, THE HIGHER AMOUNT OF FEES.
COULD WE DO THAT IN HOUSE? UM, JUST PUTTING THAT CONVERSATION OUT THERE.
I WAS JUST THINKING THAT $48,000, WE WOULD BUY A WHOLE LOT OF FOR SALE SIGNS.
WE PARKED 'EM OUT FRONT HERE, BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE COMMUNITY GARAGE SALES, RIGHT.
UH, JIM BEU STATED THAT THERE WAS AN OFFSET, UH, FROM THE PROCEEDS OF THE SALES THAT, UH, WOULD GO AGAINST THIS.
SO AM I LOOKING AT $48,000 OUT OF POCKET OR ARE WE LOOKING AT, UM, WHATEVER THE COST IS,
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UM, OUT OF THE PROCEEDS? IS THIS JUST A BUDGET NUMBER, 48,000 OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WRITING A CHECK? NO, NO.THAT IS A, UM, JUST ALL THE COUNTY FEES COME OUT OF, UM, THE PROCEEDS THAT WE GET BACK.
UM, IF NOT TO LOAD UP ON JIM OR YOU BRIAN, BUT PRIOR TO MONDAY'S MEETING, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD JUST HAVE A, A MAHI OVERVIEW OF, UM, RETURN VERSUS EXPENSE ON THAT, JUST SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BETTER GRASP.
AS COUNCILMAN SHAW STATED, WE DO HAVE, THIS IS GONNA BE SOMEWHAT CONTINUING IN YEARS TO COME, SO WITH DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT.
SO MAYBE IT'D BE A GOOD THING TO HAVE A GRASP OF WHAT WE'RE BRINGING IN VERSUS WHAT IT'S COSTING US TO SELL 'EM.
ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, SO ARE WE ASKING FOR A REDUCTION IN THIS PARTICULAR SUPPLEMENTAL OR, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, OR IS THERE ANY MAJORITY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS SUPPLEMENTAL FORWARD AND THEN HAVING THAT DISCUSSION REGARDING THE SALE OF THOSE VEHICLES ON GOV DEALS LATER? FOR A FUTURE CHANGE? MAYOR, I, I PERSONALLY, UH, AS ONE VOTE, HAVE NO OBJECTION TO MOVING THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS FORWARD, UM, KNOWING THAT ADDITIONAL RESEARCH CONVERSATION MAY BE COMING IN THE FUTURE.
MAJORITY OBJECTION TO MOVING THE SUPPLEMENTAL ONTO MONDAY.
[ 2024 Tax Budget]
NEXT IS ITEM THREE H, WHICH IS THE 2024 TAX BUDGET.I BRING THIS, UH, TO YOU EVERY YEAR.
UM, IT IS A REQUIREMENT OF MIAMI COUNTY, NOT MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
SO, UH, WE'RE BOUND BY BOTH COUNTIES.
UH, WE RECEIVE, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENT MON FUND MONIES FROM BOTH COUNTIES.
WE RECEIVE, UH, REAL ESTATE TAX DOLLARS FROM BOTH COUNTIES, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE STRADDLE BOTH.
AND, UH, SO THE FACT THAT, UH, ONE COUNTY'S REQUIRING IT, I BRING IT TO YOU EACH YEAR, IT, UM, UH, NEEDS TO BE PASSED.
UH, WELL IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, UM, THE OTHER PIECE OF LEGISLATION, UM, IT IS A, UM, LEMME MAKE SURE IT IS A RESOLUTION.
SO IT WOULD ONLY REQUIRE, UM, ONE READING.
AND SO I WOULD ASK THAT IT BE ON, UM, UH, THE COUNCIL AGENDA ON MONDAY NIGHT.
UM, WHAT IT DOES IS, IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE DETAILS TO IT, I HAVE TO DO AN ESTIMATE, UH, OF WHAT I BELIEVE AT THIS TIME, UH, WHICH IS QUITE EARLY, UH, WHAT THE 2024 REVENUE ESTIMATES WILL BE.
AND I HAVE GONE THROUGH A VERY CURSORY REVIEW SO FAR OF THAT, UM, GET MUCH MORE DEEPER INTO IT OVER THIS SUMMER.
UH, CUZ THAT REALLY DOES DRIVE OUR REVENUES DO DRIVE WHAT, UH, THE 24 BUDGET THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO COUNCIL.
UM, SO I'VE DONE, UH, AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THOSE ARE.
UH, THEY ALSO ASK FOR, UM, ALL OF THE LISTING OF ALL YOUR DEBT.
SO THAT IS, UH, UH, ON THERE, UH, ALL OF THE LONG TERM DEBT AND, UM, THEN WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AS A COUNTY BUDGET COMMISSION.
UH, THEY MEET AND THEY DETERMINE, UH, WHETHER WE STILL ARE DESERVING OF THE REAL ESTATE TAX DOLLARS AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUND DISTRIBUTION FROM, FROM THEIR COUNTY.
UH, BASED ON IF THEY SEE THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN TOO MUCH REVENUE IN OUR OTHER SOURCES, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, TAKE, UH, SOME OF THAT AWAY.
I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN IN MY 35 YEAR CAREER, BUT, UH, THAT IS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE, UM, AS PRECISE AS POSSIBLE THIS FAR IN ADVANCE.
UH, BUT IT IS A REQUIREMENT OF MIAMI COUNTY THAT WE DO HAVE COUNSEL PASS THIS.
SO WHEN WE DO PASS IT, I DO SEND IT TO BOTH COUNTIES AND I WOULD ASK THAT, UH, COUNSEL, CONSIDER THAT AND, UH, UH, APPROVE THAT.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T COMMIT.
IT'S, UH, SIMILAR TO THE CIP IT DOESN'T COMMIT COUNSEL, BUT IT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE SUBMIT THIS TO THE, UH, AT LEAST THE MIAMI COUNTY, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
SO, OKAY, I BRING THIS TO YOU EVERY JUNE TO APPROVE.
AND YES, IT IS THAT TIME AGAIN.
ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TAX BUDGET? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON? I JUST WANT TO MENTION THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY ON THE TAX BUDGET.
THAT'S A REQUIRED PART OF THE PROCESS.
AND THE OTHER REQUIREMENT TO IT IS, UH, IT HAS TO BE ADVERTISED THAT THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT THIS TAX BUDGET IS AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW BY THE RESIDENTS, UH, OR THE BUSINESSES IF THEY CHOOSE.
AND I HAVE MET THOSE TIME REQUIREMENTS.
UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UM, ADVERTISED IN THE DAILY COURT REPORTER ON THE, IN THE, UH, JUNE 9TH EDITION.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE ADVERTISED AND IT'S ALSO BEEN ON
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THE WEBSITE, UH, THAT THIS, THIS IS AVAILABLE IF ANYONE WANTS TO COME IN AND REVIEW IT.ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? CASE? NONE.
[ Old Troy Pike Roadway Widening Project - Award Contract]
THREE IYE, WHICH IS THE OLD TROY PIKE ROADWAY WIDENING PROJECT AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.UH, YES, GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.
UM, WHAT THIS LEGISLATION IS, IT'S FOR THE BID AWARD FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF OLD TROY PIKE ROADWAY WIDENING PROJECT.
UH, THIS WIDENING A BRIEF, I'LL JUST GO BRIEFLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
THE WIDENING ON OLD TROY PIKE INCLUDES THE ROADWAY IN FRONT OF HUNTINGTON BANK, STARBUCKS, MCDONALD'S, ARBY'S, AND A PORTION OF THE BP GAS STATION.
THIS WIDENING WILL ADD ON TO THE WIDENING IN FRONT OF THE BROADRIDGE DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE A FULL ADDITIONAL DRIVING LANE FROM TAYLORSVILLE ROAD TO THE I 70 EASTBOUND HIGHWAY RAMP.
THIS WILL PROVIDE MORE STORAGE FOR VEHICLES TURNING ONTO ALL THE BUSINESSES AND TO THE NEW APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S THERE.
THERE WILL ALSO BE A LANE, UM, THAT VEHICLE VEHICLES CAN USE TO TURN RIGHT ONTO MELEE WAY AND TO ACCESS THE EASTBOUND HIGHWAY RAMP.
UM, THERE WILL ALSO BE A WIDENING ON MELEE WAY IN FRONT OF MCDONALD'S IN FRONT OF ARBY'S AND A PORTION OF THE CAR WASH.
THIS WILL HELP THE TRAFFIC FLOW ON THAT SIDE STREET.
UH, WE ARE MAKING MODIFICATIONS TO THE CONCRETE MEDIAN ON OLD TROY PIKE.
THAT IS BETWEEN, WELL, IT'S ON NORTH OF MERLEY WAY BETWEEN BP AND THE MARATHON GAS STATIONS.
UH, THIS WILL PROVIDE AN AREA TO STORE MORE CARS TURNING LEFT ONTO, UH, WESTBOUND I 70, UH, SO THAT THE CARS CAN MOVE OUT OF THE CENTER STRAIGHT LANES THAT ARE GOING, UH, OVER THE HIGHWAY, IT'S GOING NORTH, SO THAT'LL HELP A LITTLE BIT KEEPING CARS, UM, STORING MORE CARS FOR THAT LEFT LANE.
UH, THIS PROJECT CONCLUDES THE INSTALLATION OF MASTER ARM TRAFFIC SIGNALS AT THE OLD TROY PIKE MERELY WAY INTERSECTION.
UH, THE BID TABULATION WAS IN YOUR PACKET.
THERE WERE THREE CONTRACTORS THAT BID ON THE PROJECT AND THE LOW BIDDER WAS LJ DEWE CONSTRUCTION WITH A LOW BID OF $2,052,309 AND 85 CENTS.
THE SECOND, THIRD BIDDERS WERE BARRETT PAVING AND MAJORS AND ENTERPRISES, AND WITH BIDS ALL WITHIN A HUNDRED THOUSAND, UH, MORE THAN THE LOW BID.
SO THEY'RE ALL CLOSE AND RIGHT TOGETHER.
UH, THE ORIGINAL ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR WAS 1,500,000.
UM, THE BIDS CAME IN HIGHER, PROBABLY DUE TO INFLATION.
UH, I THINK CONTRACTORS ARE PRETTY BUSY THIS YEAR AND, UH, WE'RE WORKING IN A VERY TIGHT AREA UP THERE, UM, THAT I THINK MAY HAVE CAUSED SOME OF THE, UH, THE PROJECT COST TO BE A LITTLE HIGHER DUE TO, UH, THE CONFINED AREA AND THE, UH, TRAFFIC CONTROL.
SO, UH, SINCE ALL BIDDERS CAME IN SO CLOSE, I THINK THESE ARE ALL GOOD BIDS.
UM, SO WE'D LIKE TO AWARD THIS PROJECT TO LJ LUISA A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $2,150,000.
UM, WE HAD BUDGETED 1.5 MILLION FOR THIS PROJECT FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, BUT SINCE THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE MACARONI COUNTY, TIFF AREA, AS JIM HAD SAID, UH, JIM DID ADD 699,500 AND IS SUPPLEMENTAL TO TRANSFER FROM THE COUNTY TIFF TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.
UH, AND THAT WILL GIVE US, BRING US UP TO THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT.
UH, ALL BIDDERS DID HAVE A HIGH NUMBER OF CALENDAR DAYS LISTED DUE TO THE LONG DELIVERY TIME FOR THE TRAFFIC POLES AND THE TRAFFIC CONTROL EQUIPMENT.
AND WE ARE STILL WORKING ON ONE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, UH, FOR ONE PROPERTY THAT WE THINK WE WILL HAVE THAT SOON.
SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D MENTION THAT.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO AWARD THIS CONTRACT SOON SO THE CONTRACTOR CAN START ORDERING HIS EQUIPMENT.
RUSS, ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RU PLEASURE? THANK YOU, MAYOR RUSS, QUICK QUESTION.
WELL, ACTUALLY THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A LITTLE LONG.
UM, WHY WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THE COMPANY THAT WAS THE LOWEST BUT HAD AN EXTRA TWO MONTHS, UH, ADDED ON TO THEIR CALENDAR DAYS? UH, WE'VE TALKED TO THEM AND THEY DON'T FEEL THAT THEY PUT A HIGH CALENDAR DATE.
WE DIDN'T GIVE 'EM A DEADLINE.
CAUSE WE FELT THAT MIGHT, UM, CAUSE WE, AT THIS TIME, WE'RE FIGURING A LOT OF CONTRACTORS ARE PRETTY BUSY.
WE DIDN'T WANNA GIVE 'EM A DEADLINE THAT WE WOULD, UH, BRING THE PRICES HIGHER, UH, UH, KNOWING THEY HAD TO GET IT DONE FASTER.
SO WE GAVE THEM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LONGER TIMEFRAME, THEY DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT LONG TO DO THE PROJECT.
THEY JUST PUT A HIGHER NUMBER IN THERE TO COVER THEMSELVES SO THEY WOULDN'T BE FACED WITH LIQUIDATED DAMAGES.
SO THE FACT THAT LJ AND BARRETT HAS ABOUT A $74,000 DIFFERENCE MM-HMM.
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MONTHS LONGER, GIVE OR TAKE, ACCORDING TO THE CALENDAR DAYS THAN THE OTHER ONE.DO WE KNOW IF BARRETT SAYS, WELL, YEAH, WE PUT 500 DAYS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO IT IN 400.
I MEAN, SINCE WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ONE IN ORDER TO MAKE THE BID, UM, YOU KNOW, SPEC EVEN SHOULDNT WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE OTHER COMPANY? AND, AND HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY WOULD JUST KNOWING THAT THEY'RE THAT CLOSE.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S MAKE IT FAIR FOR EITHER ONE.
AND HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, RUSS AND, AND MAYOR, I'M GONNA DIRECT MOST OF THIS, UH, TO, TO YOU.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY ABOUT ADDING AND SOLVING THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AT TROY AND MERLEY WAY.
UH, AND THIS CONVERSATION JUST DIDN'T START LAST WEEK.
IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR AT LEAST A YEAR, IF NOT LONGER.
AND WHEN I SEEN THIS BID COME IN THAT STATES THAT POTENTIALLY THIS WORK IS NOT GOING TO GET COMPLETED UNTIL ROUGHLY JANUARY, FEBRUARY OF 2025, I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU, I ABOUT LOST MY MIND BECAUSE TO TELL RESIDENTS THAT BROADREACH WAS ABLE TO DO TWO LANE ADDITIONS AND PUT UP ALL KINDS OF BUSINESSES AND, AND APARTMENTS IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE US OVER A YEAR AND A HALF TO DO A SINGLE LANE AND SOME PROPERTY ACQUISITION.
I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK IF MR. AND MR. JOHN Q TAXPAYER THAT'S BEEN BEATEN DOWN SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT TRAFFIC ISSUES SAID WAS HERE TODAY AND SAID, OH, WE'LL HAVE THIS COMPLETED FOR YOU IN FEBRUARY OF 2025, UM, THERE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ANY WINDOWS LEFT IN THIS BUILDING.
SO MAYOR, I'M LOOKING AT DIRECTION FROM YOU.
UM, I DON'T FEEL THAT THIS TIMETABLE IS ACCEPTABLE.
UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THESE ENTITIES, UH, TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEIR TIMETABLE IS INSTEAD OF ESTIMATES.
UM, BUT, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, MAYOR.
WELL, CLEARLY I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE, THE TIMEFRAME JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ALL SEEING AND HEARING THE SAME FRUSTRATIONS FOR EVERYONE.
UM, I MEAN, I THINK FROM A, FROM A TIMEFRAME PERSPECTIVE, WE KNEW THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST PART OF THE ROAD WIDENING WAS DONE FIRST BECAUSE WE WEREN'T PAYING FOR THAT.
BROADREACH WAS, THAT WAS ALL IN THEIR BUDGET FOR THE PROJECT.
SO THEY HAD DESIGNED THAT THAT WAS THEIR CONTRACTORS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THEIR PIECE OF THAT WHOLE PUZZLE.
SO BEING THAT THE SECOND PORTION OF THIS WASN'T UNTIL, OR WASN'T ADDED UNTIL THE 2023 BUDGET, WE KNEW WE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL THAT BUDGET CYCLE CAME AROUND SO WE COULD PAY FOR OUR PART, WHICH WAS EXTENDING IT ON DOWN, NOT JUST THE ROAD, BUT ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS TO MARY LOU WAY AND ALL THAT.
SO I, I CERTAINLY, UM, WOULD LIKE TO KEEP OUR FEET ON THEIR PROVERBIAL NECKS TO DO IT AS FAST AS THEY CAN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DESIGN HAD TO GO INTO THE DESIGN DETAIL, THE LEVEL OF ENGINEERING THAT WENT INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW WHEN BROADREACH STARTED THEIR PROCESS, WHEN WE STARTED OUR PROCESS, THE LIGHT POLES HAVE TO BE MOVED, THE ELECTRIC ALL ALL MEAN, ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO, SO I JUST DON'T KNOW, UH, I MEAN, RUSS, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH RICHARD, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU, IS THERE A WAY TO SHORTEN THIS UP? AND I, IF THERE IS, WITHIN WHAT CONFINES OF THE BID PROCESS ARE WE ALLOWED TO WORK WITHIN WITHOUT VIOLATING THE BID PROCESS FROM ONE CONTRACT OVER ONE CONTRACTOR BID OVER THE OTHER? SINCE THESE WERE PUBLIC BIDS AND NOW THAT WE HAVE THEM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ALLOWED, I DON'T KNOW IF LEGALLY WE'RE ALLOWED TO USE ONE BID AGAINST ANOTHER ONCE WE'VE ACCEPTED THE BIDS AND THE BIDS HAVE BEEN OPENED.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE LEGALITIES OF ALL THAT ARE, BUT I WOULD THINK WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO SOME ISSUE THERE IF WE START TRYING TO LEVERAGE ONE BID FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE OTHER OVER, OVER PRICE.
SO THE LEGALITY OF THAT, I, I NOT MINIMIZING ANYTHING YOU SAID, RICHARD, BUT I THINK WE GOTTA WORK WITHIN THE CONFINES OF WHAT WE'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO.
BUT I WOULD ALSO URGE YOU, RUSH, RUSS, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO SHORTEN UP THAT TIMEFRAME, I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT.
AND I THINK, UH, CERTAINLY RESIDENTS DESERVE TO HAVE THAT COMPLETED AND DONE AS, AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT? ALONG WITH RETIMING, THOSE LIGHTS AT TAYLORSVILLE, THE NEW INTERSECTION AND MERRILEE, I KNOW THE ISSUE OVER THE OVERPASS HAS BEEN DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF ODOT, BUT MERRILY AND THE NEW INTER THE NEW INTERCHANGE, THE, THE LIGHT THAT WAS ADDED PLUS TAYLORSVILLE, THOSE THINGS HAVE GOT TO GET BETTER.
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UH, THEY HAVE ALLOWED US NOW TO RECONNECT THE, UH, INTERCONNECT THAT WAS THROUGH THERE FOR THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW TO GET THAT BACK TURNED ON.
IT SHOULDN'T TAKE VERY LONG HERE.
SO RUSS, I UNDERSTAND THAT IN THERE, THEY PUT CALENDAR DAYS OF 500 DAYS, 570 DAYS.
COULD WE KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO HAVE THE ACTUAL LANE DONE WHEN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE WORK ON MERE LEE WAY? WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE MASK ARM'S GOING IN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S MEETING WHERE THERE'S OTHER THINGS OUTSIDE OF JUST THE LANE.
I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WHEN'S THAT DARN LANE GOING TO BE DONE IN OPERATION? IS IT GONNA BE 570 DAYS? WHEN CAN SOMEBODY DRIVE ON IT? BINGO.
SO I, I THINK FROM WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM COUNSEL O OBVIOUSLY THESE COMPANIES HAVE A A, I MEAN, THEIR SCHEDULES ARE FAIRLY CLOSE, SO THEY'RE ACCOUNTING FOR SOME OF THE SAME INFORMATION.
AND, AND IT SOUNDS FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT I'M HEARING THAT COUNSEL JUST WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ACCOUNTING FOR.
I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROLLER, NECESSARILY OUTSIDE OF THEIR CONTROL.
UH, AND IF WE'RE TALKING AT 500 DAYS, TWO MORE WEEKS FOR US TO TAKE THIS, GET THAT CALENDAR INFORMATION, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR ABOUT WHAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO WITH REGARD TO THESE TIMEFRAMES, I DON'T THINK IS, IS GOING TO, TO BURDEN, UM, ANYONE.
I MEAN, IF WE HAVE TO WAIT THIS LONG, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE GONNA WAIT THIS LONG.
UH, BUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE IT A SHORTER PERIOD, THEN THIS MIGHT BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
SO BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT I, I'M HEARING FROM THE DAIS, IF IT, IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNSEL, WE'LL GO BACK AND BREAK OUT WHAT THESE SCHEDULES ARE AND KIND OF HIGHLIGHT WHAT THE BIG SECTION DELAYS ARE SO WE CAN IDENTIFY FOR YOU THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
A, WHY IS IT GONNA TAKE SO LONG, AND B, WHEN ARE PEOPLE GONNA BE ABLE TO DRIVE ON IT? THANKS, BRIAN.
AND, AND I THINK, LOOK, MY, MY FRUSTRATION DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, MINE IS SHARED WITH RICHARD.
I THINK ONE OF THE MOST FRUSTRATING THINGS FOR PROBABLY ALL OF US UP HERE IS WHEN A RESIDENT HAS A QUESTION AND THEY ASK A QUESTION IS ESPECIALLY EVOLVING AROUND A PROJECT THAT'S BIG, UM, AND THE MONEY THAT'S GONNA COST, THEY ASK US FOR AN ANSWER, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE IT BE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND NOT BECAUSE SOMEONE'S KEEPING IT FROM US, BUT JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT.
BUT, UM, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE FRUSTRATED AND AGGRAVATED, WE DON'T HAVE IT IS NOT, IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF, UM, WHAT THEY CALL SLACK BUILT INTO THEIR SCHEDULE, WHICH IS BASICALLY THEIR RISK.
UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE RELUCTANT TO GIVE A LOT OF THAT UP BECAUSE THERE ARE REALITIES THAT WILL SLOW THEIR PROJECT DOWN.
I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION TO COUNCIL IS WHAT IS A, A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF REDUCTION IN THAT SCHEDULE? AND BASED ON WHAT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S REAL NICE TO SAY THAT WE'D LIKE IT DONE QUICKER, BUT HOW MUCH QUICKER, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR HERE? UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IS, UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH CONTRACTING, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE IT HERE IN THE CITY, CAN WE PUT AN INCENTIVE CLAUSE IN THAT IF THEY GET DONE EARLIER, THAT THEY GET A BONUS? I MEAN, A PRIVATE INDUSTRY DOES THAT.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT OH, WELL, I MEAN, EVEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WE DID THAT.
I, I THINK A LOT OF THESE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE TIMEFRAMES THAT ARE, THAT ARE CLOSE, I WOULD IMAGINE MOST OF THIS IS JUST PUT INTO MY, YOU KNOW, PROJECT MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE.
UM, AND THEY PUT IN THE DATES, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, AND HERE'S THE LINES AND IT KIND OF GOES THROUGH BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL SO SIMILAR.
UM, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL ESTIMATING DAYS THAT, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, SOFTWARE IN BUILDING A HOUSE, I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS THIS TIMEFRAME TO THIS TIMEFRAME, TO THIS TIMEFRAME.
SO THOSE ARE JUST ESTIMATED NUMBERS ARE PUT IN.
AND SINCE THEY'RE ALL REASONABLY CLOSE, I MEAN, 70 DAYS OVER THE SPAN OF 500 IS STILL REASONABLY CLOSE, I GUESS.
I MEAN, IF IT WAS 700 VERSUS 500, THAT WOULD BE A, THAT'D BE A PROBLEM.
BUT I WOULD THINK MOST OF THIS STUFF IS PROBABLY CALCULATED THE TIMEFRAME BY THE SAME SOFTWARE THAT ALL THESE COMPANIES PROBABLY USE.
UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY SLACK BUILT INTO THAT.
BUT IT'S ALL DONE BY THE, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE SOFTWARE, THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE.
I REALIZE THAT THE RTA STOPS HAVE TO BE MOVED.
SOME HYDRANTS, SOME LIGHTS, SOME WATER ELECTRIC, AND THERE'S SOME PROPERTY OWNERS TO DEAL WITH.
BUT LIKE IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULD PUT UP A NEW HIGHWAY IN PENNSYLVANIA IN THREE WEEKS, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO A LITTLE BETTER THAN TWO YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS OUT.
YEAH, I'LL GET WITH THEM TO, OKAY, THANK YOU.
FIND OUT WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR A TIGHTER SCHEDULE.
BUT, UH, I KNOW THE MASK ARMS AND THE POLES ARE AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX MONTHS OUT.
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OKAY.AND THAT PART OF THE DELAY, THEY, A LOT OF TIMES THEY, THEY'LL PUT THE BASES IN FOR IT, BUT THEY CAN'T DO MUCH MORE THAN MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT JUST SIMPLY FOR, IN THE TRAFFIC CONTROL BOXES, I THINK ARE ON, ON A BIG DELAY RIGHT NOW TOO.
AND THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER REASON WHY THIS IS SO, SO FAR OUT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE WORRIED.
THEY DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHEN THIS STUFF'S GONNA SHOW UP.
AND, AND I KNOW YOU SAID THAT, BUT JUST TO REITERATE, SO IF WE LOOK, THE, THE WORST THING WE CAN HAVE IS LACK OF INFORMATION, RIGHT? SO AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE INFORMATION, IF SOMEONE COMES TO ME AND SAYS, WHY THE HELL IS THIS TAKING SO LONG? I SAY, WELL, BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET THE TRAFFIC CONTROL BOXES THAT INTERSECTION.
SO IF YOU THINK TRAFFIC IS BAD NOW WITH TWO LANES, HOW ABOUT TRAFFIC WITH THREE LANES BUT NO LIGHT? RIGHT? SO I MEAN, BUT AT LEAST THAT'S INFORMATION I CAN RELAY TO PEOPLE WHO, WHO ARE ASKING THE QUESTION.
SO LACK OF INFORMATION IS THE WORST POSSIBLE THING THAT WE CAN HAVE.
I CAN TALK TO ANYBODY AS LONG AS I'M ARMED WITH ACCURATE INFORMATION.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, SO BRIAN, UH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS BACK, CORRECT? UM, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT, IF ANYTHING POSSIBLE TIME WE CAN SHAVE BEFORE WE BRING US BACK TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION PRIOR TO, UH, A FINAL AWARD OF THAT CONTRACT.
MY NOTES ON THIS ARE, UH, WHAT'S THE BASIS FOR THE, UH, PROJECT SCHEDULE, WHAT CAN BE DONE TO SHORTEN THAT SCHEDULE AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO INCENTIVIZE THE PERFORMANCE? PERFECT.
ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS OR QUESTIONS? YES, RICHARD AND MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO INCLUDE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS PRELIMINARY WITH LEGAL OPINION AND, AND REVIEW, UH, WITH ALL THREE OF THESE BIDDERS.
I DON'T WANT TO JUST SINGLE ONE OUT AT THIS TIME.
I WANT TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION FROM ALL THREE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS.
UM, BECAUSE SOMETHING COULD TURN AROUND THAT WE CONTACT THE GUY WHO BID THE HIGHEST AND SAY, WOW, MAN.
YEAH, WHY, YOU KNOW, JERRY PUT THE WRONG TIME IN THE SOFTWARE.
WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT, YOU KNOW, 150 DAYS, YOU KNOW, SOONER.
I AGAIN, LIKE YOURSELF, MAYOR, I WANT TO KNOW THE INFORMATION, THE ACTUAL, I DON'T WANT A DARN COMPUTER SOFTWARE GIVEN TO ME.
UM, WE HAVE 43,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE BREATHING DOWN OUR NECKS.
AND IF SOMEBODY'S LOOKING FOR A TIMEFRAME, WHEN WE WANTED THIS DONE, I WANTED IT DONE YESTERDAY.
SO I THINK WITHIN THE LEGAL, I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT I WOULD THINK WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE IS THAT AS LONG AS WE'RE ASKING ALL THE CON ALL THE BIDDERS YES.
THE SAME QUESTIONS WITHIN THE SAME CONFINES, THAT WAY WE'RE NOT LEVERAGING ONE VERSUS THE OTHER, I WOULD THINK IT'D BE FINE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE A LEGAL OPINION THAT SAYS THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON.
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE J, WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE OF ASSESSMENT FOR THE 2023 SIDEWALK PROGRAM.
KEEPING, KEEPING ME BUSY BEFORE I GO ON TO THIS, UH, JUST HAD ONE QUESTION OF COUNSEL.
UM, IF YOU DO, DO YOU WANT ME TO REMOVE THE 699,000 FROM THE SUPPLEMENTAL? IF YOU'RE NOT PASSING THAT ON MONDAY? I IT'S A YES, BECAUSE YOU ASKED FOR THE OTHER ONE TO ONLY READ FOR THE, THE, UM, THE VEHICLE.
MAINLY THE MOLD REMEDIATION IS ON THERE AND WE WANT THAT DONE ASAP.
SO IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION FROM COUNSEL, I WOULD RECOMMEND REMOVING THAT PIECE FROM THE SUPPLEMENTAL AND HAVE THE OTHER TWO MOVE FORWARD.
SO NEXT, YEAH, WE HAVE THE, UH,
[ Ordinance Of Assessment - 2023 Sidewalk Program]
THE, UH, ORDINANCE OF ASSESSMENT.THE, UH, 220 2023, UH, SIDEWALK PROGRAM IS, UH, COMING TO A CLOSE HERE.
THE LAST PIECE, UH, IS, UH, LEGISLATION THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO PASS, UH, FOR THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT, UH, WHICH IS, UH, $95,439 AND 35 CENTS.
AND, UH, THAT IS ONLY, UH, WHAT WE WOULD TAKE AND ASSESS ALL THE RESIDENTS IF NO ONE DECIDES TO MAKE A PAYMENT.
UM, SO, UM, IT'S, UM, UH, I BRING IT TO COUNSEL AS SOON AS WE HAVE THAT NUMBER READY.
AND SO WE'VE GOT A LIST OF ALL THOSE, UM, UH, WE NEED TO SEND OUT INVOICES TO THE RESIDENCE THAT HAD SIDEWALKS PUT IN THIS YEAR.
AND SO IF COUNSEL IS ABLE TO PASS THIS WITH TWO READINGS ON MONDAY NIGHT, UH, THAT GIVES US, UH, SIX WEEKS, UM, WE'LL TRY AND GET THOSE INVOICES OUT WITHIN ONE WEEK.
AND THAT WOULD GIVE THE RESIDENTS FIVE WEEKS TO MAKE A PAYMENT.
UH, CUZ I HAVE TO HAVE THEM MAKE THEIR PAYMENTS BY AUGUST 8TH IN ORDER TO BRING BACK THE FINAL LEGISLATION TO COUNCIL SAYING, OKAY, THAT 95,000 IS NOW DOWN TO SAY 60,000.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WILL ASSESS OVER THE NEXT, UH, FIVE YEARS, UH, FOR THOSE THAT DO NOT PAY.
AND IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS THEIR CHOICE AND, AND THEY'RE NOTIFIED, UH, A FULL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, NOTICE FOR THE 2024 PROGRAM HAS ALREADY GONE OUT.
SO PEOPLE HAVE KNOWN FOR THE LAST YEAR, UM, WHAT AMOUNT IS, UH, AND THE, AND THE ACTUALS ALWAYS LESS THAN THE, THE, UH, ESTIMATE.
OKAY? AND SO THEY ALL KNOW THIS IS COMING.
UH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW LONG THE WINDOW IS, UH, TO DO THAT.
SO IF COUNSEL PASSES IT ON MONDAY NIGHT WITH TWO READINGS, THEN UH, WE'LL GET THE INVOICES OUT RIGHT AWAY AND THEY'LL HAVE APPROXIMATELY FIVE WEEKS TO PAY.
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IF IT, UM, IF, UH, COUNSEL DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO PASS IT ON MONDAY AND IT'S PASSED ON JULY 10TH, THEN THAT SHORTENS THE WINDOW UNTIL ABOUT THREE WEEKS FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO, UH, THAT HAD SIDEWALKS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT.SO, UM, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION OF THE VOCABULARY USED, WHEN YOU SAY THE SURPASS, I, I UNDERSTAND IT PASSING THE TWO READINGS, WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING IS A WAVING OF THE SECOND READING ON MONDAY? YES.
WE, THE SECOND READING, THANK YOU FOR THAT, UH, CLARIFICATION AND PASSING AS EMERGENCY LEGISLATION.
SO IT'S EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
SO WE CAN GO FORWARD AND, AND, UH, SEND THOSE INVOICES OUT TO THE RESIDENTS AND, AND GIVE THEM MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS, WHICH WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, UH, THE NEED TO HAVE THEM PAID BY AUGUST 8TH, BECAUSE THEN I NEED A WEEK TO, UH, PREPARE THE ASSESSMENT LEGISLATION, UH, WHICH HAS TO BE PASSED BY THE SECOND MEETING OF COUNCIL IN AUGUST BECAUSE IT HAS TO GO TO THE COUNTY, UM, BY THE MONDAY AFTER LABOR DAY.
SO THE LAST CHANCE I HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, UH, FOR THAT LEGISLATION OF ASSESSMENT IS THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST.
JIM, IF WE DON'T PAY YOU FOR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT JUST REMEMBERING THOSE DATES, IT'S WORTH IT.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? UH, ANY OBJECTION TO WAIVING OF THE SECOND READING? OKAY.
[ Water Infrastructure Update]
WHICH IS THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE SPREADSHEET, UH, NOTING THE BENCHMARKS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM.
UH, AT PRESENT WE REMAIN ON SCHEDULE WITH, UH, OUR PLAN, UH, TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION, UH, AS PREVIOUSLY DISCLOSED, UH, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN, ANITA? SO WHAT ROADS ARE TOTALLY DONE? WE'RE TOTALLY DONE WITH THE PROJECT, THE EASEMENTS, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE.
WHERE DO WE STAND? WHAT'S BEEN COMPLETED? I'M GONNA DEFER TO THE ENGINEER WHO'S HERE AT THE DOORWAY, ANXIOUSLY AWAITING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
I CAN TALK AT THE PODIUM TOO, ALMOST RUST, BUT I, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AS A FOLLOW UP TOO.
CAN YOU ASK THAT AGAIN? WHAT ROADS HAVE BEEN TOTALLY DONE? THE EASEMENTS, EVERYTHING.
WE CAN CHECK IT OFF THE LIST THAT THIS ROAD IS DONE.
UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING TO THE WATER MAIN PROJECT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WE ARE, UH, FINISHED WITH HELLWIG HOLBROOK AND THEY ARE JUST NOW FINISHING UP, UH, HUBBARD AND UH, HINCKLEY, I BELIEVE THE FIRST TWO PHASES, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH ALL FINISHED.
WELL, WELL, I CAN TELL YOU HELLWIG IS NOT TOTALLY DONE.
YEAH, CURBING DOING, I'M SORRY, CURVING.
DO WE HAVE ANY JUST DONE, WE CAN CHECK OFF THE LIST.
THE CURVED PERSON THAT THE GUY'S DOING CONCRETE ARE SUPPOSED TO COME IN I THINK THIS WEEK.
SO THAT, AND SOME ASPHALT TRENCHING, ASPHALT ON THE TRENCHES ON THE SECOND PHASE WAS SUPPOSED TO COME IN THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK TOO AFTER THAT.
UM, IT'LL BE CLEAN UP AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THEY CLEAN IT UP GOOD.
AND THEN WE'RE WAITING FOR FALL FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY MILL IT ALL BACK OFF AND REPAID IT.
HALF THEIR CREW WENT ON TO START INSTALLATION ON THE OTHER PORTION OF HUBBARD.
SO THAT STARTED I THINK YESTERDAY.
UH, AND THEY'LL BE WORKING ON THAT FOR PROBABLY SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS, HOPEFULLY GET THAT DONE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS.
UH, AND THEN AFTER THAT THERE'S ONE PORTION ON CRUX AND THAT'LL BE, IT'S A PRETTY, IT'S A SMALLER SECTION AND THAT SHOULD BE DONE WITHIN LIKE FOUR TO SIX WEEKS.
SO WITHIN LIKE THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AT MOST WE'LL HAVE THE WHOLE PROJECT COMPLETED AND THAT'S ABOUT THE TIME WHEN WE'LL START, UH, PAVING.
AND HAS THERE BEEN FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE SCHOOL ISSUE FOR NEXT CONTRACT? YEAH.
YOU TALKED ABOUT, UH, FOR THE, ON HUBBARD YOU'RE REFERRING TO ON ALTER? UH, ON ALTER, UH, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THAT SECTION DONE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS AND THEN WHEN WE PAVE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THAT ON A SATURDAY SO THAT, UH, IT WON'T BE DURING SCHOOL.
THERE'S ONE ALTAR FOR 2022 THAT RIGHT.
BUT THERE'S ALSO ALTER FOR 2023, RIGHT? THAT THAT ONE IS THE ONE WHO IS THERE WITH THE TWO SCHOOLS, THE 20 23 1 THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO START TILL SEPTEMBER AND BE DONE BY MAY, WHICH IS ENTIRELY WHEN SCHOOL'S IN.
CAUSE I'M, WE'LL TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO WORK, MAKE SURE THE BUSES, UH, HAVE THE RIGHT ROUTE TO GET THERE.
THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, OR WE'LL KEEP IT OPEN FOR THEM IN THE MORNING TO GET THROUGH.
PETE'S AND YOU GOT MONTICELLO AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S A TRAFFIC JAM WITHOUT EQUIPMENT THERE, SO.
WE'LL WORK AT A LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE WHEN
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THAT ONE COMES UP AND, UH, DECIDE WHICH STREETS WE'RE GONNA DO FIRST AND WHICH ONES WE CAN WORK OUT TO, UH, MAKE SURE THERE ISN'T A PROBLEM.SO ROSS OR BRIAN, I'LL ADD, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
I, SO I KNOW I, I'VE GOTTEN MESSAGES REGARDING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE GONNA REPAVE THE STREET, WHEN WE GO IN, IT GETS MILLED DOWN IN THE BEGINNING, RIGHT? UM, AND PEOPLE ARE DRIVING ON A ROUGH GROOVED ROAD AND THEN THEY'RE ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? OR, I MEAN, I LITERALLY HAD A, I'VE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT, ARE YOU LEAVING MY ROAD LIKE THIS? SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE GO BACK TO EDUCATION, RICHARD, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT OF TIMES.
I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO A, A BETTER JOB.
AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS ONE MORE THING TO THE PLATE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY NEAT IF WE COULD FIND OUT WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THE RESIDENCE AS A TEMPLATE OR AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A FULL ONE OF THESE ROADS THAT ARE GETTING A FULL WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT DONE.
WHAT THAT SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE.
NOT EVEN NECESSARILY FROM A TIMEFRAME, WHAT THE PROCESS OF THE PROJECT IS FROM ONSITE MOBILIZATION OF THE EQUIPMENT TO DIG IN THE TRENCH, UM, REPAIRING THE CURB, MILLING THE STREET, REPAVING THE STREET, CLEAN UP THE, THE, THE, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
AS ANITA SAID, FROM START TO FINISH.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? JUST SO WE CAN HAVE THAT IN THE ARMS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING IMPACTED BY THE REPLACEMENT.
IF WE'RE CUTTING ACROSS DRIVEWAYS AND, YOU KNOW, CONES ARE BEING PUT UP.
I MEAN, I THINK AGAIN, IT'S ALL JUST ABOUT INFORMATION.
IF WE ARM THE PEOPLE WITH INFORMATION SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS PROCESS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE, I MEAN, I, I MEAN I THINK WE'RE PAVING THE WAY FOR A LOT LESS HEADACHE LATER BECAUSE I JUST THINK PEOPLE JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TOLD THEM.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS CITY WHO ARE ROAD CONSTRUCTION EXPERTS OR STREET REPAVING SPECIALISTS OR TRENCH DIGGERS.
I MEAN WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO PUT THAT INFORMATION IN THEIR HANDS AND MAKE THAT AVAILABLE.
SO IF WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING IN AN EMAIL AND A PUBLIC EMAIL, CUZ I KNOW PEOPLE WILL DO PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS FOR THAT IF WE KNOW IT'S PUBLIC OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS, A TEMPLATE OF AN EXAMPLE OF START TO FINISH WATER REPLACEMENT FOR THAT PARTICULAR STREET THAT WE COULD THEN DUPLICATE AT LEAST THE PROCESS, MAYBE NOT THE TIMEFRAME, BUT THE PROCESS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN BASED ON WHATEVER STREET IT'S, WELL WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE WEBSITE.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
OUR PROJECT IS ALREADY ON THE WEBSITE, SO I CAN DO A MORE DETAILED, ACTUALLY FOR THIS ONE THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, I CAN ACTUALLY GIVE THE SCHEDULE PRETTY CLOSE DATES ON WHEN EVERYTHING WILL HAPPEN.
CAUSE IF SOMEBODY ASKS ME, I CAN SAY, HEY, THAT INFORMATION IS RIGHT ON THE WEBSITE.
YEAH, THIS IS THE STREET YOU'RE ON OR WHATEVER.
THIS IS A TEMPLATE FOR WHAT THIS PROJECT IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, CUZ AGAIN, PEOPLE LITERALLY DON'T KNOW.
WE COME IN AND TEAR UP THE ROAD AND THEY'RE GOING, HOW ARE YOU LEAVING MY ROAD LIKE THIS? RIGHT? NO, WE JUST DON'T RE WE PAVE ALL THE STREETS AT THE SAME TIME.
WE DON'T REPAVE THIS STREET AND THIS STREET AND THIS STREET ALL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
PAVING GETS DONE TYPICALLY IN THE FALL AND THAT'S WHEN THAT'S DONE.
SO I I, AGAIN, I'M JUST ASKING FOR INFORMATION THAT WE CAN ARM PEOPLE WITH SO THEY KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THEY HAVE.
BUT YOU ARE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE WATER MAIN PROJECTS? YES.
NOT JUST REP, I MEAN, CUZ WE KNOW WE HAVE THE STREET REPAVING PROGRAM, THE STREET MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, BUT FOR THE, FOR THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'VE DRIVEN AROUND THERE TOO.
WHAT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE, THE PROJECT'S DONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE INSPECTORS NEED TO MAKE MORE THAN ONE TRIP BUY SOMEPLACE TO MAKE SURE IT'S, BUT AGAIN, SEE, SO I'M SPEAKING OF SOMEONE WHO I'M NOT EVEN SURE I KNOW THE WHOLE PROCESS FROM START TO FINISH.
AS LONG AS I KNOW IT, THEN I, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I CAN, I CAN TALK TO ANYBODY IF I HAVE THE INFORMATION AND THE FACTS ON, ON WHAT TO SAY.
SO THAT WOULD BE REAL HELPFUL FOR ME.
PROBABLY EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS FACT.
OKAY, DON, THANK YOU MAYOR RUSS, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON YOUR SPREADSHEET, YOU'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION BIDS DUE JUNE 16TH, DID WE MAKE IT? SHOULD THAT BE AN X OR, UH, YEAH.
YEAH, USUALLY WHEN IT'S DONE I PUT AN X IN THERE.
BUT YEAH, THAT SHOULD BE, THAT'S COMPLETED ANITA.
MAYBE ALSO WITH THE CHARTING, MAYBE PUTTING LIKE THE STREETS FOR 2022, KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE AT IN PROCESS.
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OH, THEY'RE COMING.AND IF THEY GO, NO, WE STILL HAVE DIRT PILED UP AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT FURTHER DOWN.
MAYBE JUST THE STREETS FOR THAT YEAR BE MORE DETAILED OUT SO THAT WAY WE CAN TELL PEOPLE, YES, THIS IS COMING, THEY SHOULD BE AT THIS POINT WITH THAT STREET, ANYTHING THAT PROVIDES US INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PASS ON TO THE RESIDENTS, I'M IN FAVOR OF.
THE MOST DETAILED YOU CAN MAKE IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE SUGGESTION EFFECTIVELY, TAKE THE PROCESS OUTLINE THAT WAS SUGGESTED BY THE MAYOR AND MARRY THAT TO THE NAME OF EACH STREET.
AND RATHER THAN HAVE, UH, JUST THE GENERIC PROCESS ON THE WEBSITE, WE WOULD EFFECTIVELY SET DATES OR CHECK MARKS.
CHECK MARKS ON THE, THE SHEET SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, BUT BASED ON A PROCESS PER STREET, THAT'S THE, THE SUGGESTION.
SO WHEN SOMEONE CALLS AND SAYS, HEY LOOK, I STILL, I'M STILL DRIVING OVER A METAL PLATE TO GET IN MY DRIVEWAY.
WHEN, WHEN'S THAT GONNA GO AWAY? RIGHT.
INSTEAD OF ME SAYING, WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I CAN SAY, OH, YOU LIVE ON HUBBARD, THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE.
WE CAN WORK WITH THAT AND TRY TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER SO WHEN WE KICK OFF THE NEXT PROJECT, WE'VE GOT THOSE PROCESSES BENCHMARKED BY EACH STREET.
SO IT'D BE HELWIG JUNE 30TH, 2023 OR BY JULY 31ST IT'D BE DONE, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? OR AT LEAST JUST CHECKING OFF, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, OH, WE'VE ALREADY COME THROUGH, THIS SHOULD ALREADY BE DONE.
SO THEN IF A RESIDENT GOES, NO, OUR PLATES ARE STILL THERE, WELL IT'S CHECKED OFF ON HERE, LET ME CALL AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO WE'RE MATCHING UP EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING WITH WHAT RESIDENTS ARE TELLING US BECAUSE RESIDENTS ARE CALLING GOING, WE STILL HAVE THESE PILES OF DIRT HERE AND, AND THEY'VE BEEN GONE FOR, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF WEEKS, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW,
THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, KNOWING WHERE THE, WHEN I SAID THE TEMPLATE, WHEN THE CLEANUP STAGE IS VERSUS THE COMPLETION.
CUZ IF THAT'S A TWO WEEK TIMEFRAME, CUZ THEY'VE MOVED ON, NOW THERE'S ANOTHER CREW THAT COMES IN, DOES ALL THE CLEANUP, IT'D BE HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST TELL HIM TO CALL ME.
WELL I CAN ALWAYS HELP YOU OUT, GIVE YOU AN ANSWER.
SO, OR I CAN FIND OUT OR I CAN HELP YOU OUT BECAUSE IF YOU CHART IT, THEN I CAN JUST, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT GOING ON.
BUT THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS I'LL EVEN TALK TO THE CONTRACTOR AND FIND OUT WHAT HE THINKS HE'LL BE, BUT WHETHER CHANGES, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN, RIGHT.
OR THE CONTRACTOR WHO'S GONNA PAY TELLS ME HE IS NOT COMING UNTIL NEXT WEEK WHEN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS WEEK.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM TELLING RESIDENT, HEY, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT 14 DAYS IF IT DOESN'T GET BACK TO ME.
I MEAN, AND I THINK RESIDENTS ARE UNDERSTANDING, OH, IT'S BEEN STORMING AND WE CAN'T REALLY BE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT OKAY.
UM, SO THAT WAS JUST THE UPDATE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO MOVE ON, CORRECT? CORRECT.
[ Basketball Courts Refurbishment - Award Contract]
UP IS ITEM THREE L.THIS IS THE BASKETBALL COURT REFURBISHMENT AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT, MIKE.
THIS IS FOR THE, UH, BASKETBALL COURTS AT CLOWN PARK AS WELL AS, UM, THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
UM, WE RECEIVED THREE, THREE SEPARATE BIDS, UM, FROM THREE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS.
UM, THOSE WERE, UM, FROM, UM, ASPHALT, UM, BASICALLY ASPHALT SEAL CODERS, UM, VERSA COURT AND, UM, TOTAL TENANTS.
UM, AND WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU PASS LEGISLATION TO AWARD THE BID TO ASPHALT SEAL SEAL CODERS FOR THESE TWO PARTICULAR COURTS.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS FOR MIKE? OKAY, THANK YOU MAYOR.
I TALKED TO A COUPLE RESIDENTS AT COMMUNITY PARK WHEN I, THEY WERE PLAYING BALL AND IF I WAS DEREK ROSE OR MICHAEL JORDAN OR SOMEBODY WHO KNEW HOW TO PLAY REALLY GOOD BASKETBALL AND WAS A SUPERB ATHLETE.
SO WHEN THEY WERE PLAYING BASKETBALL, WOULD THIS PART OF THE BACKBOARD BE MARKED OFF TO HELP 'EM SHOOT THE BALL INTO THE NET? IT'S A SQUARE INSIDE THE, THE BOARD.
THIS IS, THIS IS IT FOR COMMUNITY PARK? THESE ARE FOR CLOUD PARK, BUT, BUT ON CLOUD PARKS, AS WE START DOING THEM, CAN WE MAKE SURE THEY'LL BE THE SAME AS THEY ARE NOW? BASICALLY THE LAYOUT WILL BE REMAIN THE SAME.
SO THE BACKBOARDS WILL BE MARKED CORRECTLY FOR WHERE, UM, C COMMUNITY, YOU SAY COMMUNITY.
SO, WELL, SO CLOUD PARK IS GONNA BE DONE AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
WILL THOSE BACKBOARDS BE DONE WITH THIS? UM, I CAN LOOK AT THAT.
I, THAT WASN'T PART OF THE ASK THE, THE LAYOUT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
UM, BUT I CAN LOOK AT THOSE SPECIFICATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SQUARE IS CALLED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO CALL IT.
YES, HE DID PLAY A LITTLE BASKETBALL.
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BUT, UM, I, I I WAS A STAT.I REALLY, BUT UM, YEAH, YEAH, THOSE THINGS WILL BE MARKED OUT THERE.
THEY'RE IN THE SPECIFICATION FROM OKAY.
AND SO I'LL BE DONE AT CLOUD AND COMMUNITY CENTER OR YEAH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, NATHAN? I DO.
UM, AND MY QUESTIONS ARE KIND OF RELATED TO NOT JUST THIS ONE, BUT THE NEXT, THE PICKLEBALL ESTIMATES, UM, THE ESTIMATES FOR THE BASKETBALL, UM, REFURBISHMENT RANGE FROM $75,994 TO TWO 2001 $500.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY YOU THINK THAT THERE IS SUCH A WIDE RANGE OF ESTIMATES PROVIDED NOW, I'M SORRY, I'M CONFUSING WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTION.
ARE WE GOING THE NEXT SUBJECT OR THIS SUBJECT RIGHT NOW? THIS ONE, THIS, THIS CLOUD PARK AND THE COMMUNITY FOR BOTH OF 'EM? CORRECT? FOR BOTH.
IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COMBINE THE ESTIMATES FOR BOTH CLOUD PARK AND COMMUNITY FOR THE BASKETBALL, I'M DEALING AS ON THE BASKETBALL AS A MACRO, BOTH LOCATIONS.
UM, SO THE, THE CLOUD PARK AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER, CORRECT? YES.
SO ASPHALT SEAL CO, UM, SEAL CODERS WAS $75,994.
TOTAL TENNIS WAS A HUNDRED EIGHT OH FIVE, A HUNDRED EIGHTY ZERO FIVE.
CINCINNATI SPORTS SCAPE SET A RANGE OF 161,200 TO 201,500.
SO BASICALLY WE HAVE A RANGE GOING FROM $75,994 TWO, 200, $1,500.
SO I'M, I'M JUST ASKING WHY DO YOU THINK THERE'S SUCH A WIDE RANGE OF, OF ESTIMATES PROVIDED? I THINK THE WIDE RANGE OF ESTIMATES IS, AS FAR AS THE VERSA COURTS, THOSE WERE JUST FOR, UM, BASICALLY A MESH KIND OF SUPPORT SYSTEM THAT GOES OVER THE EXISTING COURTS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
UM, SO SOME OF THE ASPHALTS SEAL CODERS KIND OF PROVIDED A COMPARISON WITH TENNIS, TOTAL TENNIS OF A LESSER BID, WHICH WAS THE REASONING FOR GOING WITH THEM, UM, THEM BEING HAVING TO DO, UM, SOME OTHER COURTS THEY'VE DONE FOR US IN THE PAST.
THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION FOR ASPHALT SEAL CODERS WITH THOSE TWO PACIFIC LOCATIONS WITHOUT WRITTEN SPECS.
WHY DO WE THINK, WHY DO WE THINK WE'LL GET THE PRODUCTS THAT, THAT WE NEED? THE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES? WELL, I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE'VE HAD FOR ASPHALT SEAL CODERS, THEY'VE DONE SOME OTHER LOCATIONS FOR US WITH SIMILAR WORK IN THE PAST.
RECOMMENDATION CAME FROM, THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
UM, DO YOU THINK WE'D HAVE, WE WOULD'VE RECEIVED BETTER ESTIMATES IF A WRITTEN SPEC HAD BEEN PROVIDED TO THE VENDORS MORE CONSISTENT ESTIMATES? UM, I, I THINK THE WRITTEN SPECS WERE PROVIDED TO THEM AS FAR AS VERBALLY, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY TWO INCHES OF ASPHALT THEY PROVIDED IN EACH QUOTE FROM EACH VENDOR.
DID WE, OKAY, YOU SAID, UH, TWO INCHES OF, OF ASPHALT.
DID WE TALK ABOUT THE TYPE? YES.
DID WE TELL THE TYPE IS IN THE SPECS? THERE WERE NO SPECS.
THE TYPE IS IN THE SPECS OF THE QUOTE.
UM, HOW MANY CODES OF PAINT? TWO, WHERE'S THAT STATED? IT'S, IT'S IN THE, THE ASPHALT SEAL CODERS DOCK COULD NOT BE COM COULD NOT BE EMAILED BECAUSE IT'S ON A, A DOCUSIGN PROGRAM, WHICH YOU CAN ONLY AC ACCESS THROUGH LINE THROUGH A CERTAIN EMAIL ADDRESS, WHICH WAS ADDRESSED TO THE CITY MYSELF.
SO I COULDN'T PROVIDE THAT WHOLE COMPLETED WHAT'S THE DIMENSION OF THE POST FOOTER? THE POST FOOTER? MM-HMM.
THE FOOTER FOR THE POST, THE POSTS ARE ALREADY THERE.
WELL, THIS, THAT IS BASICALLY FOR THE, UH, PICKLEBALL.
YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A WHOLE, THAT'S A D ONE OF THE NEXT SUBJECT NOW.
SO, WELL MY POINT IS, WITHOUT SPECS, WE CAN'T GET A COMMON ESTIMATE AND, AND I'M NOT PICKING ON YOU, MIKE, I'M REALLY NOT.
UM, BECAUSE YOU DO WHAT YOU WERE INSTRUCTED TO DO.
BUT MY QUESTION FOR OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER IS THAT OUR BIDDING AND PURCHASING CODE REQUIRES THAT IF THE CONTRACT PRICE IS ESTIMATED TO BE $75,000 OR MORE, THAT, UM, THAT DEVELOP SPECIFICATIONS THAT PROVIDE COMMON SET OF REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO BID MUST
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BE PROVIDED WHEN YOU SOLICIT RFPS AND TO ENSURE THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE END PRODUCT WILL BE.SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHY DID WE NOT HAVE A WRITTEN SPEC THAT WE SENT OUT TO ALL THE CONTRACTORS BASED ON THE DIALOGUE, UH, BETWEEN MEMBERS OF COUNCIL? UM, AND THE REQUEST THAT WAS MADE OF ME WITH REGARD TO ADVANCING PRIORITY PROJECTS, THIS WAS A TASK THAT, UM, IN CONVERSATION WE BELIEVED TO MEET THE, UM, URGENCY OF THE REQUEST TO GET THIS WORK DONE.
THIS WAS THE METHOD THAT WE FELT WAS APPROPRIATE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO COUNSEL'S FOCUS ON TIMELINESS.
UH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL SUGGESTED THAT WE GO OUT FOR A BID THAT DID NOT INCLUDE SPECIFIC, UH, SPECIFICATIONS.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY URGENCY, UH, GREAT ENOUGH TO ALLOW US TO GO OUT AND ASK PEOPLE VERBALLY WHAT WE WANT AND EXPECT TO GET A VALID, UM, UH, BID BACK.
AND BECAUSE OF THE WIDE RANGE OF ESTIMATES AND THE HIGH DOLLAR AMOUNT TO DO BOTH THIS IN THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, UM, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, THAT THESE PROJECTS THAT A SPECIFICATION BE DRAWN UP FOR BOTH THIS AND THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND REBID.
AND IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNSEL, WE ARE HAPPY TO EXECUTE THAT DESIRE.
I THINK THAT IF WE WENT FORWARD ON THIS, THIS, ESPECIALLY THIS HIGH DOLLAR THAT WE WOULD GET, UM, WE WOULD GET, UM, BLOW BACK, SERIOUS BLOW BACK.
AND BECAUSE IT, IT IS IN VIOLATION OF CHAPTER 1 71 0 3, UM, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.
WELL, I MEAN, NANCY, I I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF GETTING WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR, BUT NOT JUST GETTING WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR, GETTING WHAT WE KNOW THAT NOT JUST WHAT WE WANT, BUT WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO I CERTAINLY, I MEAN, I I UNDERSTAND YOUR, UH, YOUR, YOUR POSITION.
UM, SO NANCY HAS MADE A REQUEST, I GUESS TO, TO YOU'RE REQUESTING TO, TO PULL THESE AND HAVE THEM REBID WITH A, PLEASE REPHRASE WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE IF COUNSEL AGREES TO PULL THESE, WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE COME BACK IN THE FORM OF EITHER A, AN RFP OR A, OR A CONTRACT TO, I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WRITTEN SPEC FOR BOTH THE BASKETBALL COURTS AND THE PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT WE HAVE HAD, UM, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS LOOK AT AND AGREE THAT, UH, WHETHER IT RELATES TO THE THICKNESS AND TYPE ASPHALT, UM, COATS OF PAINT, THE POST SIZES, THE, THE MESH, THE KIND OF FENCING THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, ALL THESE THINGS ARE SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT.
SO WHEN A VENDOR LOOKS AT THAT, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE BIDDING.
THIS IS, THIS IS MY, WHAT I SPENT A LOT OF MY CAREER DOING AND I JUST CAN'T, THIS BLOWS MY, THIS JUST BLOWS MY MIND THAT WE'VE GOT THIS MUCH OF A RANGE IN COST.
AND THEN MY, MY BOTTOM LINE IS IF WE WERE TO AWARD THESE CONTRACTS AND THE END PRODUCT WAS NOT WHAT THE CITIZENS WANTED OR WHAT WE THOUGHT OUR CONTRACT ASKED FOR, WHAT IS OUR RECOURSE? I THINK WE RAN INTO THAT SITUATION WHEN THE FIRST PICKLEBALL COURTS WERE, WERE, UH, PUT IN AND WE FOUND SOME PROBLEMS. EVIDENTLY THERE WAS NO RECOURSE IN THAT CONTRACT.
SO HERE WE ARE GOING OUT AGAIN TO GET THOSE PROBLEMS CREATED.
I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR POSITION, NANCY.
UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD TAKE YOU, I MEAN, IF WE'RE REDOING THESE, WE DON'T HAVE TWO TIMES TO GET IT RIGHT.
WE HAVE ONE TIME TO GET IT RIGHT.
UM, I GOT JOE PICKUP ALL SET AND I WENT OUT AT COMMUNITY PARK.
WE WERE TRYING TO PLAY CUZ NOT VERY GOOD.
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SO WHEN I WAS THERE AND THE LAST NIGHT ON THE NEWS, THERE WAS A PERSON THAT, IT WAS AT A PROFESSIONAL PICKLEBALL COURT SPA OR GYM OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO CALL.UM, HE WENT UP THE DESK, HE SAID, I'M HAVING TROUBLE.
AND BECAUSE THERE'S EMERGENCY HELP THERE, I'M ASKING THAT MAYBE THERE WOULD BE EMERGENCY BUTTON IN EACH PARK.
AND STARTING WITH PART OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AT THE PICKLEBALL AND MAYBE THE OTHER, THIS COULD INCLUDE EMERGENCY BUTTON.
ARE THERE EMERGENCY BUTTONS DOWN THE PARKS, WALKERS, JOGGERS, HEART ATTACKS.
SO, UM, I THINK MAYBE WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT TOO, SINCE WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT IN THE SPEC.
SO JUST ASKING FOR THE GREATER GOOD.
UM, IF PERMISSIBLE, I'D LIKE TO BOUNCE THIS OFF.
UH, MIKE, MIKE, YOU HAVE ANY, UH, MAJOR BEEF? IF WE GO BACK AND DO THIS THE WAY, UM, COUNCILWOMAN BUR IS SUGGESTING I NO, NOT AT ALL.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, IT'D BE THE, THE PERSON WHO'S WAS, UM, FOR THE NEXT ITEM FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, THE CONTRACTED THAT WAS, UM, RECOMMENDED IS HE'S HERE TO SPEAK.
UM, AND HE'S MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THE PICKLEBALL SITUATION AS WELL.
UM, SO, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON WITH THE NEXT TOPIC TO THIS TOPIC, UM, SOME OF THESE THINGS, I THINK HE CAN ANSWER THEM BETTER AS FAR AS THAT'S WHAT HE DOES.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY THIS, AND I THINK HE WOULD, UM, ALSO AGREE WITH ME IN THAT US GOING OUT AND, AND CREATING A BID SPEC, LIKE TOTAL BID SPEC AND YOU KNOW, INCLUDE ALL THAT STUFF.
I DON'T, I'M NOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT WHATSOEVER.
UM, BUT I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT AT THIS YEAR'S TIMEFRAME AT ALL.
I THINK EVEN WITH THIS MIGHT BE HARD WITH THIS YEAR'S TIMEFRAME.
UM, COULD YOU COME THE PODIUM, SIR? YEAH, THANK YOU.
HE'S, UH, HE WAS SO THIS IS JUST THE BA YOU'RE JUST FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, NOT THE BASKETBALL COURTS, CORRECT? YEAH, CORRECT.
AND JUST, UH, PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION.
WE GET OUR SPECS, UM, FROM THE AMERICAN SPORTS BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE MAKE UP.
UM, AND SO WE PULL DIRECTLY FROM THERE.
IF THIS DOES GET DELAYED, IT, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG YOUR PROCESS TAKES, IT'LL LIKELY GET DELAYED TILL NEXT YEAR.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE, AT THE VERY LEAST, WELL, IT'LL PROBABLY BE AROUND A SIX WEEK PROJECT.
WE'LL GET THE ASPHALT TAKEN OR THE FENCE DOWN, ASPHALT TAKEN OUT, UM, STONE REPLACED, NEW ASPHALT DOWN.
UM, THEN THAT'LL HAVE TO CURE OUT FOR A COUPLE WEEKS.
WE'LL COME BACK IN, PUT THE COATINGS DOWN, AND THEN PUT THE FENCE BACK UP.
SO IF A DECISION, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GONNA BE A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS, THEN WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IT DONE THIS YEAR.
PARTICULARLY BECAUSE, UH, OUR COATINGS THAT WE PUT DOWN HAVE TEMPERATURE TOLERANCES OF 50 DEGREES.
SO IF IT'S DROPPING BELOW, THEN, THEN WE CAN'T PROPERLY PUT THEM DOWN.
SO IS WHAT I'M HEARING A SO LET'S SAY IF WE WANNA HAVE PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT ARE TOURNAMENT READY YEAH.
IF WE HAVE A GROUP THAT COMES HERE AND DECIDES THEY, THEY WANT TO START DOING TOURNAMENTS ON OUR PICKLEBALL COURTS, THERE'S A SPEC THAT ALREADY EXISTS FOR THOSE COURTS THAT WOULD BE TOURNAMENT READY.
AND THOSE ARE THE SPECS THAT, THAT YOU USE AND THOSE ARE THE SPECS THAT YOU BID.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE FENCE AROUND IT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ROOM.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WE HAVE NOW IS THE FENCING AROUND THE COURT IS TOO TIGHT.
SO IF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO USE THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE COURT, THEY'RE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ROOM BECAUSE THERE'S A FENCE IN THE WAY.
I, IT REMINDS ME OF LIKE THE OLD SEINFELD VERSION WHERE THEY'RE PLAYING POOL YEAH.
IN THE ROOM AND THEY, THERE'S, THEY CAN'T PLAY POOL BECAUSE THE POOL STICKS ARE JAMMING IT INTO THE THAT'S A GOOD EPISODE.
SO THAT IS KIND OF WHAT IS GOING ON WITH OUR PICKLEBALL COURTS.
NOW WITH THAT, WITH THAT FENCING.
SO, SO I'LL LET YOU ADDRESS THAT.
BUT THEN I WOULD ALSO SAY, NANCY, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE IF WHAT THEY BID WAS THE TOURNAMENT SPEC PICKLEBALL COURT? BECAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW ANY MORE THAN WHAT THE PICKLEBALL PEOPLE DO FROM THE ASSOCIATION OR THE SPORTS BILL OR THE TOURNAMENTS.
UM, AND SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, WOULD, WOULD THOSE, DOES THE SPEC TO THE PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION, THE TERM ASSOCIATION, IS THAT SPEC OKAY.
FOR, FOR US, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE BID.
SO THE BASKETBALL COURTS I REALIZED MIGHT BE A TOTAL SEPARATE CONVERSATION, BUT AT LEAST FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, WELL WAIT A MINUTE, I THOUGHT HE CAME UP.
YOUR ASPHALT SEAL CODERS? NO, TOTAL TENNIS.
THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE PICKLE BALL.
AND, UM, YES, AND I COMMEND YOU, UM,
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ON THE THOROUGHNESS OF YOUR, YOUR BID.UM, WHAT I WOULD ASK AND, AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A COUPLE EXTRA ITEMS IN HERE THAT WEREN'T IDENTIFIED AND ARE, THEY'RE KIND OF BROAD LIKE YOU'VE GOT IS INSTALL APPROXIMATELY A FOUR FOOT FENCE, WHAT KIND OF FENCE, YOU KNOW, UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, UH, DIG, PROPER SIZED POST FOOTERS.
UM, WHO'S RIGHT NOW, NOW, I GUESS IF, UM, IF YOU, IF WE COULD INCORPORATE THE SPECS THAT YOU SAY THAT YOU BILL TO, INTO, INTO THAT, UM, CONTRACT THAT MAKES THEM PART OF THE CONTRACT MM-HMM.
BUT, UM, I, I GUESS I, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, UM, OKAY, SO YOUR, YOUR ESTIMATE WAS A HUNDRED SEVENTY THREE, ONE THIRTY.
UM, IF YOU WERE TO INCORPORATE THOSE SPECS INTO THE CONTRACT, WE WOULD PUT IN A WARRANTY.
WE WOULD PUT IN A, UM, SOME TYPE OF A RECOURSE IF THEY DIDN'T COME OUT THE WAY THEY WERE.
UM, THAT, THAT TO ME, UM, WOULD PROBABLY BE OKAY.
NOW WAIT A MINUTE, I'M LOOKING HERE.
GENERAL WARRANTY CONTRACTORS SHALL WARRANT THE COMPLETED COURT TO BE FREE OF SIGNIFICANT DEFECTS IN WORKMANSHIP AND MATERIAL FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR.
UM, SO YEAH, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE INCORPORATED, UM, FENCE SPECIFICATIONS.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT INCORPORATED INTO THE, UH, CONTRACT.
BEFORE WE SIGN IT, BRIAN, IN TERMS OF THE WARRANTY REAL QUICK, IS THERE, IS THERE A CONTINGENCY BUILT IN THAT BID THAT WE COULD HOLD BACK DURING THE, THAT WARRANTY TIME PERIOD OR SOMETHING AS FAR AS IN THAT BID THAT GIVES US SOME RECOURSE, LIKE WHAT NANCY WAS TALKING ABOUT, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE LAST ONES? MIKE, COULD YOU, MIKE, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? THE MAYOR'S QUESTION, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY CONTINGENCY INTO THAT OTHER THAN WHEN YOUR WARRANTY THAT THEY, THEY'VE PUT IT TO THE PROPOSAL ITSELF.
UM, BUT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, MS. BERG DISCUSSED AT ARE IN THE ACTUAL BID PROPOSAL, UM, UM, WITH, WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, BASIC FENCING, UM, SPECIFICATIONS INSTALLED, APPROXIMATE 95 FOOT OF FOUR FOOT FENCE NUMBER TWO.
UM, I NO, THREE INCH TERMINAL POST? NO.
WHAT KIND OF FENCE? THIS IT'S BA BASICALLY THE SAME FENCE.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S NOT ON PAPER WHEN YOU'RE DOING A CONTRACT.
IF IT'S NOT ON PAPER, IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE.
SO, SO COULD WE GET THAT BRIAN TIGHTENED UP PRIOR TO MONDAY'S MEETING IF NANCY IS OKAY WITH HAVING THE SPECS THAT THEY USE TO DESIGN AND PRICE IT AS PART OF THE CONTRACT? UM, IF WE CANNOT, UM, IF WE CAN'T, UH, THEN WHAT WE'LL DO UM, IS, UM, I, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, TO REACH THOSE, WE'LL WE'LL COME BACK WITH, UM, I MEAN IF WE NEED TO MOVE IT BACK ONE MORE MEETING, UM, THAT, THAT'S MIGHT BE A LITTLE TIGHT TO GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE WITH SOME OF THESE, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL WORK HARD TO, TO GET THAT DONE TO TIGHTEN THAT UP SO WE CAN KEEP THIS MOVING FORWARD.
WELL, NANCY, I, FROM WHAT I APPRECIATE THE COMPROMISE AND, AND MOVING THIS FORWARD, AGAIN, I DON'T DISAGREE IF ON THE BASKETBALL COURTS, IF THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO, IF THERE'S NINE DIFFERENT WAYS TO SKIN THAT CAT, I WANNA KNOW WHICH WAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE BASKETBALL COURT, BUT THE PICKLEBALL COURT, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THE SPECS WOULD BE A, A BIG PART OF THAT.
UM, SO OUR COMMUNITY COLORS FOR OUR HIGH SCHOOL ARE BLACK, RED, AND WHITE.
AND SO USUALLY THE PICKLEBALL COURT IS, I BELIEVE GREEN.
SO USUALLY IT'S GREEN, BUT IS THERE A WAY THE KITCHEN COULD BE BE A DIFFERENT COLOR THAN LIKE THIS OUTBOUND ABOUNDS TO DIFFERENTIATE? DIFFERENTIATE THE DIFFERENT COLORS.
SO YOU COULD MAKE IT EASIER ON THE EYES VERSUS LIKE GREEN AND THEN LIKE ALL RED IN THE KITCHEN AND ON THE OUTSIDE? YEAH, THAT'S ONE QUESTION.
WE CAN MAKE IT DIFFERENT COLORS.
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UM, STANDARD COLORS ARE BLUE, GREEN, RED, GRAY, UM, LIKE A BEIGE ORANGE, YELLOW, BLACK OR SPECIAL MIXES.SO THAT WOULD COME AT AN INCREASED COST.
WHAT ABOUT RED AND WHITE? I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND DOING WHITE.
SO ANY OTHER SPECIAL COLORS MR. BLACK? NO, I THINK ITS A GOOD IDEA.
AND UH, I'LL SUGGEST WHILE HE'S UP THERE YEAH.
COME ON UP HERE AND ASK HIM SOME QUESTIONS MAN.
HE'S OUR, HE'S OUR PARKS AND REC GENTLEMAN.
SO HE'S OUR, OUR PICKLEBALL EXPERT IN TOWN.
ALEX BLACK AND I'M ON THE PARK AND REX BOARD AND UM, I'M GLAD TO SEE THE PICKUP.
OF COURSE I FINALLY GOT INTO THE COUNCIL HERE AND I DO THINK I ECHOES WHAT MR. BURKE SAID THERE ABOUT THE POLL.
UH, THERE WERE A FEW THINGS THOUGH THAT I THINK COULD, SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED THAT WILL MAKE US FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, GOING WITH THE PROPOSAL.
ONE IS A THEMATIC SHOWING THE DIMENSION BETWEEN THE POST FENCE AND EACH COURT BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY SPACE OF EVELYN, THAT MEANS ONE THING TO ME.
IT MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO YOU.
BUT IF IT'S CLARIFIED IN THE DIAGRAM HOW MANY FEET ARE BETWEEN EACH COURT AND BETWEEN THE OUTER COURTS AND THE FENCE, WE WILL KNOW IN ADVANCE WHAT WE ARE GETTING.
THE OTHER THING IS THE 95 FEET OF FENCE, I'M ASSUMING IS SEPARATING THE THREE SETS OF COURTS.
THE THREE ON THE SOUTH, THREE ON THE NORTH.
A GATE MIDWAY OF THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IF YOU ARE ON A FAR COURT AND YOUR BALL ENDS UP ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO GET, SO SHOWING THAT ON THE DIAGRAM WOULD ALSO BE A PLUS.
AND I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS THAT THE IDEAL SOLUTION FOR THE COLORS WOULD BE THE OUTER AREAS BEING GREEN.
THE SERVICE AREA BLUE AND THE KITCHEN.
WE PICKED RED BECAUSE OF WAYNE SCHOOL COLOR BEING SET.
ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU HIT YOUR BALL ALL THE WAY OVER INTO THE OTHER YOU MIGHT HIT CHOSE THAT I DON'T HIT MINE THERE ANYMORE.
BUT I THINK YOU THOUGH THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THIS CAME UP WITH BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS ON THE BOARD THAT PLAY PICKLEBALL.
AND SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT PLAYED TENNIS AND FORTH.
AND THOSE WERE SOME IDEAS THAT CAME UP.
AND THE ONLY OTHER QUE QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU SIR, WAS THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THEY'RE, UM, I KNOW THEY NEED TO BE FLAT LEVEL, BUT COULD THEY BE TIPPED JUST A SMALL AMOUNT SO WATER WOULD DRAIN OFF WICK AWAY, IF YOU WILL? UH, WE WE'RE IS THAT THERE ANY, ANY SPECIFICATIONS ABOUT THAT? YEAH, AND I, IF I DON'T HAVE THEM IN HERE, I WILL ADD IT.
WE'RE GONNA PUT A 1% GRADE ON IT GOING IN ONE DIRECTION.
UM, WE THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THE BEST WAY TO GET WATER OFF.
UH, I BELIEVE THE HIGH SIDE WILL BE THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE LOW SIDE WILL BE THE NORTH SIDE.
UM, BACK TO THE MAYOR'S QUESTION AS FAR AS SPACING, TERMINATE READY, I DON'T HAVE THE DIMENSIONS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THOSE COURTS ARE JAMMED IN ON AN EXISTING AREA, SO WE'RE LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT SPACE.
I IT'LL LIKELY BE ON THE SAME PROFILE, UM, THAT IT IS NOW.
BECAUSE IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE A, IF IF THEY'RE NOT, IF IT'S NOT A BIG ENOUGH SPACE TO BE TOURNAMENT READY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PICK A NEW LOCATION OR BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH WHEN YOU GO BACK, BACK YOUR WHACK RACKETS HITTING THE BACK FENCE.
AND, AND BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, RETROFIT INTO THAT AREA, LIKE SO HOW MUCH MORE WOULD IT COST? COULD YOU ANSWER THAT? WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU TALK TO MR. GRAY YOU'LL LET HIM KNOW.
LIKE HOW TO DO A, MAKE IT SO EACH ONE CAN STAND ON ITS OWN AND IT WOULD BE TOURNAMENT READY TO HAVE THAT.
IF I THINK OF MAYBE SAY IT'S THREE, THREE MORE FEET JUST FOR GIGGLES, BUT LIKE, YOU'LL LET US, IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EXPENSIVE.
WOULD THERE BE ANY SEATING, LIKE A PICNIC TABLE OR A BENCH OR, THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION BECAUSE LIKE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO WATCH OTHER PEOPLE PLAY.
THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR PARKS OR PARKS OR JUST WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
THAT THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED ALL.
I APPRECIATE YOU TOLERATING MY QUESTIONS.
OKAY, SO YES, RICHARD, THANK YOU.
AS I'M CONTEMPLATING MY NEXT STATEMENT.
I FIGURED I'D GIVE YOU A MOMENT.
ALRIGHT, UH, BACK TO THE AGENDA ITEM, UH, UH, BASKETBALL COURTS.
UM, THANK YOU MIKE FOR, UH, RIDING THE ROLLERCOASTER WITH US HERE FOR A MOMENT.
UM, THE, UH, THE, THE SPECS, UH, THE SPECS, THE
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BID, THE CONVERSATION, UM, THAT, UH, YOU AS THE PROFESSIONAL BROUGHT TO THIS COUNCIL FROM ASPHALT SEAL CODER OF DAYTON, WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT BEFORE, CORRECT? THEY HAVE DONE SOME OTHER COURTS IN, IN, IN PARKING LOT ASPECTS FOR US.
AND, AND IT IS YOUR OPINION AS STAFF, UM, TO THIS COUNCIL BECAUSE NOBODY ON THIS COUNCIL IS A BASKETBALL COURT SPECIALIST OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UH, UH, THAT THIS QUOTE, UM, WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, UH, TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND CLOUD PARK FOR THE AMOUNT YOU, PR, PR PROVIDED IN SECTION ONE, UH, FOR THE BASKETBALL COURT REFURBISHMENT.
AM I CORRECT ON THAT? CORRECT.
UM, AND, AND THIS WOULD TOTALLY ENHANCE THE PLAYABILITY OF THOSE COURTS WHERE THEY ARE NOW, I'M GONNA SAY DEPLORABLE, UM, TO, UM, I'M NOT GONNA SAY MBA STANDARDS, UM, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE MORE ENJOYABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND WOULD I ALSO BE CORRECT IN STATING THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THIS COUNCIL, UM, PROVIDED INFORMATION THAT THESE ARE THE TWO, UH, COURTS THAT, UM, WOULD NEED THE REFURBISHMENT? I KNOW THE PARKS AND REC BOARD IS LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL BASKETBALL COURTS, UH, AND, AND, AND REDOS ON, UH, SHAWL AND, AND THE Y M C A, BUT THOSE ARE FUTURE CONVERSATIONS COMING.
UM, BUT THESE ARE I ONES THAT YOU IDENTIFIED, UM, AS A MEMBER OF STAFF TO BRING TO THIS COUNCIL WITH THIS SPEC.
I BELIEVE THEY WERE IN THE C I P THEY WERE IDENTIFIED OF THE PARKS AND REC BOARD PER PERFECT.
UM, MAYOR, IT IS, IT IS MY INTENTION AGAIN, AS YOU NORMALLY ASK, WITHOUT A MAJORITY OBJECTION, UM, THAT, UH, THAT THIS CONTINUE TO, TO MOVE ON UNTIL MONDAY.
UM, AS MEMBERS OF THIS, UH, UM, COUNCIL HAS STATED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT WE TRUST OUR STAFF, WE TRUST THE, THE INFORMATION PROVIDED AND THE QUOTES THAT ARE PROVIDED BECAUSE THEY ARE THE EXPERTS.
UM, AND, UH, I BELIEVE EVERYTHING WAS OBTAINED IN A LEGAL MANNER.
AND, UM, I BELIEVE, UH, THIS WILL BE A HUGE BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY CENTER AND CLOUD PARK.
AND MIKE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THIS COULD ACTUALLY GET DONE THIS YEAR.
I, I, AT THIS LATE, THE STAGE, I, I WOULDN'T, I WOULD SAY IT'S GONNA BE A NEXT YEAR PROJECT PROCESS.
BUT WE CAN AT LEAST GET IT ON THEIR CALENDAR.
RIGHT NOW, THE ASPHALT COMPANIES, UM, I KNOW THEY HAVE PRETTY MUCH THEIR YEAR AND PLANNED OUT AS FAR AS WHAT JOBS THEY HAVE SCHEDULED FOR THIS SEASON.
SO WE'RE A LITTLE LATE IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M SURE ONCE WE CONTACT, UM, UH, ASPHALT SEAL CODER AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY WERE AWARDED THE CONTRACT, WE WOULD HAVE MORE IDENTIFIED TIME FRAMING, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, THAT'S, UM, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
I WOULD REALLY HATE TO SEE THIS GET THIS, GET DELAYED AS POSSIBLE.
OTHER RAMIFICATIONS COULD OCCUR, UM, THAT WOULD BE UNINTENDED, UH, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, NANCY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, YEAH, I DO.
RICHARD, HAVE YOU SEEN THE ESTIMATE FOR ASPHALT SEAL CODERS? I'M SORRY, NANCY, WAS THAT A QUESTION TO ME? YES.
BECAUSE THAT WAS A STAFF DIRECTION TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER WHO IS NOW TAKING OVER THE DUTIES, UH, TEMPORARILY AS THE PARKS MANAGER AND PROVIDED HIS EXPERT OPINION TO THIS COUNSEL, UH, AS YOU HAVE TAKEN MULTIPLE TIMES.
WELL, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS NOTHING, UH, IN THE WAY OF SPECS IN THE ASPHALT SEAL CO BID.
AND, UM, AND SINCE THE EFFORT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE DONE NEXT YEAR, I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT RIGHT, THAT WE NEED TO PUT SOME SPECS TOGETHER AND, UM, AND BID IT.
UM, THE BASKETBALL ESTIMATES, LIKE I SAID, RANGE FROM APPROXIMATELY 76,000 TO 200, 1,500.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THERE WAS SUCH A MISINTERPRETATION OF WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, BUT WE NEED TO DO THIS, RIGHT? AND EVEN IF IT'S $76,000, IT'S TAXPAYER'S MONEY AND I WANNA SEE IT SPENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, SO I, I WON'T TREAT THIS ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN I HAVE DONE ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, WE, WE'VE KIND OF LUMPED ITEMS L AND M ALTOGETHER IN THIS DISCUSSION, BUT THEY WERE TWO SEPARATE AGENDA ITEMS. THE BASKETBALL COURTS WAS A SEPARATE BID AND AWARDING OF THAT CONTRACT IN THE PICKLEBALL COURT WAS A, A SEPARATE BID AND AWARDING OF THAT CONTRACT.
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KEEPING THAT IN MIND, WE ARE STILL, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALL TOGETHER, WE'RE GONNA BREAK THESE DOWN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.SO I'M GONNA DEAL WITH, UH, ITEM L, WHICH WAS THE BASKETBALL COURT REFRIGERANT FIRST.
UH, NANCY'S RECOMMENDING THAT THIS GETS PULLED AND THE BIDS FOR THE, UH, BASKETBALL COURTS ARE REDONE WITH A, I DON'T WANNA SAY A DIFFERENT SET OF SPECIFICATIONS, BUT A YES.
ACTUAL SET OF SPECIFICATIONS, UM, TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO WITH, IF I'VE CLARIFIED THAT, THEN I WILL ASK, IS THERE A MAJORITY OF COUNSEL, UH, WHO WOULD OBJECT TO MOVING THIS ITEM FORWARD FOR MONDAY, OR DOES IT MOVE FORWARD TO MONDAY AND LET THE WILL OF COUNSEL BE DONE? MARK, BRIAN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND NANCY'S POINT ON THE BASKETBALL? UH, YES.
THE YES, AND THE ANSWER TO RICHARD'S QUESTION ABOUT GETTING IT DONE THIS YEAR WAS A NO.
SO DO WE HAVE TIME TO DO SPECS, FOLLOW THE CODE AND BRING THAT BACK TO US, SAY IN THE NEXT 45 DAYS, WE CAN PUT SOME, SOME TIMEFRAME, WE CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER TO GET A BID OUT SO THAT, UH, OR A, UM, A, UM, SPECIFICATIONS PACKAGE OUT FOR BIDDING, UM, SO THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING, UH, OUT AND AWARDED PRIOR TO YEAR'S END TO BE READY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION SEASON OF 2024.
AND, AND WHERE WE'RE AT IS THAT YOU'VE ASKED MIKE TO HELP YOU AND, AND MIKE, YOU DID A GREAT JOB.
UM, BUT IF WE FOLLOWED THE CODE AND WE COMPLETED SPECS, WHO, WHO MIGHT DO THE SPECS WELL WOULD SEND OUT FOR IT, UH, IN THIS INSTANCE, UM, WE WOULD MOST LIKELY LOOK FOR WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE PUT TOGETHER.
UH, THEN, UH, WE WOULD, UH, BASED ON WHAT WE FIND TO BE COMMON INFORMATION FROM MULTIPLE, UH, PROPOSALS, WE PUT THAT TOGETHER, SEND THAT OVER TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION FOR REVIEW, AND THEN SEND THAT OUT FOR SPECIFICATION WITH, OR EXCUSE ME, FOR BIDS BASED ON, ON COUNCIL DIRECTION.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK FOR ACTION, UH, BY COUNSEL ONCE WE HAD THE, THE BIDS RETURNED.
AND, AND I AGREE WITH RICHARD THAT WE LOOK AT STAFF FOR RECOMMENDATION.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD GET BEHIND AND RECOMMEND THAT WE DO? OH, 100%.
100% BASED ON THE TIMING OF COMPLETION, YES.
FROM THE, FROM THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS.
AND, AND AGAIN, AS I SAID EARLIER, AND, AND MY APOLOGIES IF IF STAFF MISUNDERSTOOD THE WISHES OF COUNSEL FROM EARLIER ON, UM, IN, IN THE YEAR, BUT, UH, UM, AS I SAID, WE WENT THE DIRECTION THAT WE WENT, UH, BASED ON WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE, THE DIRECTION COUNSEL HAD GIVEN TO, TO TRY AND EXPEDITE THIS AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD.
UM, AND IF WE MISUNDERSTOOD THAT DIRECTION, MY APOLOGIES, WE WEREN'T TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT OR, OR, UM, IGNORE PORTIONS OF, OF, OF THE CODE.
AND, AND I, I BELIEVE THERE ARE OTHER PROVISIONS WITHIN THE CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THIS.
SO, UM, I I, I WANT TO BE CLEAR IN THE FACT THAT WE WERE DOING OUR BEST TO, TO EXPEDITE OR TO, UH, EXECUTE COUNSEL AS WELL AS WE UNDERSTOOD IT.
BUT IF WE UNDERSTOOD THAT, UH, INCORRECTLY, MY APOLOGIES, BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO, TO GET BEHIND, UH, COUNSEL'S, UH, DESIRE TO HAVE SOMETHING MORE UNIFORM TO COMPARE, UH, AND PUT TOGETHER, UH, SPECIFICATIONS FOR THAT.
I TRUST AND BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID ABOUT THIS SUBJECT TONIGHT FROM THE DIOCESE.
THE REASON WHY WHAT NANCY SAYS MAKES SENSE IS THAT WE CAN'T GET THE COURTS DONE THIS YEAR ANYWAY.
AND, AND I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD SLOW IT UP ANY AT ALL.
AND, AND I, AND I AGREE WITH THAT, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
SO I ONE 100%, UH, SUPPORT WHAT IT IS THAT COUNSEL'S ASKING FOR ON THIS MATTER.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT TOGETHER A BIT SPECIFICATION AND, AND DO SOMETHING MORE STRUCTURED AND MORE FORMAL, UM, AS MS. BERG HAS HAS, UM, SUGGESTED TONIGHT.
AND, AND MIKE, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR EFFORT.
YEAH, MIKE, I DO, THIS WAS NOT DIRECTED AT YOU.
UM, I JUST, UH, I KNOW YOU DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKED TO DO AND, AND YOU WORK HARD AND, AND WE DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING I'VE ASKED FOR? MAJORITY OBJECTION.
IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, SO FAR MARK AND NANCY HAVE KATE I INCUR.
ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.
THREE DOES NOT MAKE A MAJORITY.
WE WILL SEE THIS ITEM ON MONDAY.
I WAS LOOKING THE RIGHT, DON DID.
DON, DID YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION OR NO? OH, NO.
SO THERE'S STILL THREE WHO OBJECT, BUT THAT IS NOT FIVE.
SO BASKETBALL COURTS WILL BE ON
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MONDAY'S AGENDA TO AWARD THAT CONTRACT.[ Pickleball Courts Refurbishment - Award Contract]
COURT REFURBISHMENT AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.SO WE'LL DEAL WITH THESE SEPARATELY.
UM, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THOSE PARTICULAR, UM, IN THAT CONTRACT.
UH, THE, THE CONTRACTOR, THE VENDOR DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE AN ISSUE, BUT I THINK WE, WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO MAYBE SOME OF THOSE COLORS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED, SUGGESTED.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT A PICKLEBALL PLAYER.
I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO ARE, I GOTTA BE HONEST, I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED TO FIND OUT THAT THE COURTS THAT WE HAVE THERE WERE CRAMMED IN AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN TERM IN SIZE ALREADY.
UH, I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, SHAME ON ME FOR NOT KNOWING, BUT I DIDN'T, I I THINK DOES THIS COUNCIL, I'M JUST GONNA POSE THE QUESTION.
IS COUNCIL, OKAY, MOVING FORWARD THE SIZE THEY ARE, REGARDLESS THAT THEY'RE NOT TOURNAMENT SIZE, OR DO WE WANT TO, WE WANNA RE DO WE WANNA RE-LOOK AT THAT? I KNOW YOU SAID THAT'D BE A SIGNIFICANT COST INCREASE, BUT I'M, I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT, HOW SHORT THOSE ARE VERSUS WHAT THE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY CLOSE.
THE DIMENSIONS FOR SIX QUARTS SHOULD BE LIKE LAID OUT THE WAY THEY ARE SHOULD BE ONE 20 BY 90.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE BETWEEN ONE 16 AND 18 BY A HUNDRED.
IS THERE SPACE THERE TO EXTEND THEM? UH, THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SPACE TO THE NORTH.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD INVOLVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE FENCE WORK AND I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON WHAT ASPHALT ADJUSTMENTS WOULD NEED TO BE MADE.
WHAT ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE FENCE? AND I, AND I WOULD HAVE TO ASK OUR RESIDENT PICKLEBALL EXPERT, IS, ARE YOU MORE CONCERNED WITH THE ROOM THAT THE FENCING ALLOWS ON THE COURT OR IS THE COURT ITSELF NOT BIG ENOUGH? THE COURT ALL THE SAME CAUSE OF WHERE YOU ARE? THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
THE ISSUE IS, IS FACING BETWEEN THE FENCE AND THE BASELINE.
IS THERE ROOM TO FIX THE FENCE AND THE BASELINE? YES.
IT, THE WAY IT LOOKS TO ME, AND I'M LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAP, SO OKAY, GIVE ME A BREAK.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE CENTER FENCE, SEPARATING THE TWO BATTERIES OF THREE, THAT THE, UH, PICKLEBALL QUARTS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY CLOSER TO THAT CENTER FENCE THAN THEY ARE TO THE EXTERIOR FENCE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON ONE END WE HAVE ABOUT 10 FEET BETWEEN THE FENCE, THE EXTERIOR FENCE, AND THEN TO THE MIDDLE FENCE, YOU HAVE FOUR FEET.
SO WE COULD LAY OUT THE COURTS IN A MORE PROPER, UM, EVEN FASHION, WHICH WILL LIKELY GIVE YOU GUYS MORE ROOM.
YOU'LL NEVER CORRECT THAT LEVEL FEET ON ONE END AND FOUR THE OTHER END CLOSED.
SO I THINK THAT WILL BE IMPROVED.
SO I WAS JUST, I MEAN, I'M GONNA ASK BECAUSE I, I WOULD LIKE YOUR OPINION ON THE RECORD IS, IS THAT SUFFICIENT? THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT IF THE NET WAS CENTER BETWEEN THE CENTER PANEL AND THE BASELINE? YEAH, IT WILL WORK.
THAT'S WHAT I ASKED FOR IS COMING MATTER SHOWING THE ADMISSION BETWEEN THE TEST AND THE BASELINE? WE COULD LOOK AT EXTENT BEFORE YOU START WORK WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN THERE.
YEAH, SO I DON'T THINK, MY OPINION HERE IS IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET AN OBJECTION FROM HAVING THIS CONTRACT AWARDED, ASSUMING THAT SOME OF THESE DETAILS BECOME PART OF THE CONTRACT AND HOW FAST YOU CAN GET A SCHEMATIC THAT SHOWS WHAT THE, WHERE THE NEW CENTER FENCE OR THE LINE'S GONNA BE FROM THE NET SHOWING THAT SPACE THAT, THAT WE NEED THAT IS NOT CRAMMED THE WAY IT, THE WAY IT IS NOW.
AND OUR PARKS AND REC ADVISOR THAT'S HERE WHO PLAYS PICKLEBALL HAS SAID PUBLICLY HE BELIEVES THAT THE COURT IS NOT THE ISSUE.
IT'S THE SPACING WITH THE FENCE.
AND IF THAT CAN BE RECTIFIED AND THAT CAN BE AS PART OF THE SCHEMATIC AND PART OF THE CONTRACT, I DON'T FORESEE ANYBODY BEING OBJECTIONABLE TO THAT.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YES, NANCY.
UM, ALEX, UM, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING PICKLEBALL, I KNOW THE INTENT WAS, OR THE HOPE WAS THAT ONE DAY WE WOULD DO PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENTS THERE.
SO, SO I'M HEARING THAT YOU ARE OKAY THAT THESE ARE NOT TOURNAMENT READY WHERE THEY ARE NOW? THEY ARE NOT.
BUT IF THEY WAS SPACED, EVEN IF WHEN YOU HAVE FEET BETWEEN THE BASELINE
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INDEPENDENCE, THEN IT WOULD BE OKAY, WELL, WELL NO, WOULD PEOPLE COME, UH, THE QUESTION IS WOULD PEOPLE COME HERE AND HAVE PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENTS ON THESE COURTS IF THE FENCES WAS FIXED, EVEN THOUGH THIS COURTS WAS A TAD SMALLER? I'M CONVINCED THE ANSWER IS YES, THEY WILL BE HERE PLAYING.WELL SEE THE QUARTS ARE THE SAME SIZE.
WELL, HE JUST SAID TO MAKE A TO ABOUT NO, NO, THE COURT THAT IT HAS TO BE THE SAME SIZE 44 FEET LONG.
THE ISSUE IS THE SPACING BETWEEN THE COURTS IS WHERE WE HAVING A PROBLEM.
THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM THERE IF YOU SPACE THOSE COURTS EVEN, AND YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM PLAYING ON THOSE COURTS.
SO BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PICK UP OUR TOURNAMENTS ON COURTS THAT HAVE BEEN CLOSER THAN THOSE THREE WOULD BE ON EACH END.
SO YES, WE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, SO, OKAY.
I MEAN, YEAH, LOOK, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF COURTS THAT WE LAY OUT ARE 30 BY 60 FOR A SINGLE PICKLEBALL COURT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING OFF OF DIFFERENT NUMBERS AND OURS ARE, WHAT'D YOU SAY, 2022 BY, THAT'S THE PLAYING AREA.
SO I'M INCLUDING THE AREA AROUND OH, YOU'RE TALKING, YOU'RE TALKING THE PERIMETER AND ALL THAT? YEAH.
BUT THE COURT ITSELF, AS YOU'RE SAYING, IS THE SAME SIZE.
40 ITSELF IS STANDING, 44 WA LONGS 20 WIDE.
SO IF YOU CORRECT THE PLAY AREA, IT'S NORMALLY A GOOD STANDING SIZE PLAY AREA.
BUT THE OUT BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE SIDE LINE AND THE FIFTH.
SO IS IT REASONABLE TO THINK THAT WE CAN GET THOSE THINGS AMENDED ADDED TO THE CONTRACT, THE SPECIFICATIONS, THE COLORS, ALL THAT PRIOR TO MONDAY? YES.
AS LONG AS, YES, I THINK WE CAN, UM, IF WE CAN'T PUT IT DIRECTLY INTO THE CONTRACT, WHAT WE CAN DO IS PUT IT DIRECTLY INTO THE LEGISLATION.
UH, THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION TO STAFF BEING ABLE TO SIGN THE CONTRACT.
SO, UM, THAT WAY IT, IT'S ON THE RECORD AND BECOMES A, UM, A THRESHOLD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SIGN THAT.
NANCY, DOES THAT WORK? IT'LL BE A THRESHOLD CONDITIONAL, YEAH.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, STAFF IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THE VENDOR, UH, BASED ON THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA BEING CLEARLY ADDRESSED WITHIN THE CONTRACT AND SUBJECT TO THE LAW DIRECTOR'S APPROVAL.
AND THOSE WOULD BE THINGS SUCH AS WE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT PAINT, UH, THE PAINT, WE TALKED ABOUT WARRANTY AND RECOURSE, UM, ON THE, UH, ON THE ISSUE MS LAND.
BUT I, I WOULD REALLY ASK THAT YOU GET US THAT SCHEMATIC EVEN BEFORE WE APPROVE THE, AND, AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE DIFFICULT.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAD SYSTEM.
I COULD DRAW SOMETHING FOR YOU, BUT WE DON'T HAVE WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
AND JUST SO WE COULD INCORPORATE IT INTO THE CONTRACT.
YEAH, I CAN GET YOU WHEN NANCY TAKES A ROLLING TAPE MEASURE OUT THERE.
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU'RE DRAWING, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU'RE DRAWING LOOKS LIKE.
AS LONG AS WHEN SHE WHEELS IT OFF, IT MATCHES WHAT'S ON YOUR DRAWING.
TOM IS THE, UM, 10 FOOT CLEARANCE TO THE FENCE THAT'S RECOMMENDED ON THE, UH, A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH ON PICKLEBALL, 10 FOOT CLEARANCE? IS THAT ON EACH SIDE TO THE FENCE? SO IN WORDS WE'VE GOT 10 FEET, THEN THE COURT, 10 FEET, THEN A FENCE, 10 FEET, THEN A COURT.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE FIVE FEET ON EACH SIDE O OF THE SIDELINES AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE WHAT? UM, THE REASON I ASKED TO THE PICKLEBALL REGULATIONS, I LOOKED UP, UH, I DON'T HAVE 'EM UP IN FRONT OF ME NOW, BUT IT'S SAID 10 FOOT CLEARANCE ON THE SIDELINES.
IS THAT A STANDARD? SO YOU WOULD HAVE EIGHT FEET FROM THE END LINES ON EITHER SIDE AND THEN FIVE FEET ON EITHER SIDE IS HOW WE TYPICALLY INSTALL THEM.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE PICKLEBALL STANDARD FOR TOURNAMENTS, I'M UNAWARE.
UM, CAN WE DO A, UM, SOME RESEARCH
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AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT 10 FOOT FOR A REGULATION PICKLEBALL COURT? BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT I SAW WHEN I WAS DOING MY RESEARCH ON A 10 FOOT ON EACH SIDE OF THE COURT TO THE FENCE.THE COMPLAINT FROM OUR PICKLEBALL PLAYERS HAS BEEN THAT THE FENCES ARE TOO CLOSE TO PROPERLY BE ABLE TO SWING A RACKET THERE.
AND IT, IT TRULY MEANS THE END FENCE.
HE'S CORRECT THERE ON THE TWO CENTER PORCH ON THE CENTER LINE THERE, WHEN YOU ARE STANDING BEHIND THE BASELINE AND YOU GO TO STIR THE BALL, YOU ARE HITTING THE FENCE BECAUSE ONLY THREE OR FOUR FEET THERE.
BUT THE 10 FEET YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, HE'S CORRECT THERE.
THERE'S NO BETWEEN THE BAIT, SIDELINE OF ONE COURT AND THE SIDELINE, THE OTHER COURT 10 FEET, THEY SAID FIVE FEET CLEARANCE, THAT'S FIVE FEET FOR THIS COURT AND FIVE FEET FOR THE OTHER COURT.
THAT'S WHAT THE 10 FEET COMES FROM.
AND NO 10 FEET BETWEEN SIDELINE AND SIDELINE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.
IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THERE'S A FENCE IN THE CENTER THERE.
I MEAN THE DIVIDE, WELL THERE WON'T BE A FENCE IN THE CENTER.
THERE'LL BE A FENCE ON THE END GOING ACROSS GOING EAST WEST.
YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE THIS BY LOOKING AT ME, BUT I DON'T PLAY A LOT OF PICKLEBALL
BUT I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING THOUGH IS CORRECT AND EVERYTHING AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I SAID THAT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO SEE IS A DIAGRAM SHOWING THE, WHAT THEY INTEND TO PUT IN RESIDENTS, ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE THERE, DOCUMENT BEFORE WE START DIGGING HOLES.
ANY DRAWING YOU CAN PROVIDE US WITH THOSE NUMBERS WOULD YEAH, I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? AND I'LL ASK OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY.
I APPRECIATE WHERE WE ENDED UP.
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE INN, WHICH IS BOARD COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.
TONY JUST HAVE ONE THIS EVENING.
IT'S A REAPPOINTMENT TO THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION FOR GREGORY FOX.
UH, HIS CURRENT TERM IS EXPIRING ON JUNE 30TH OF THIS YEAR.
UH, IT WOULD BE A REAPPOINTMENT FOR THE STANDARD THREE YEAR TERM TO JUNE 30TH, 2026.
UH, THE UPDATED BACKGROUND CHECK ON MR. FOX WAS PROCESSED THROUGH HR.
SO WITH COUNSEL'S APPROVAL, I'D LIKE TO PLACE A MOTION FOR RE REAPPOINTMENT OF MR. FOX TO THIS COMMISSION ON MONDAY'S AGENDA.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL SEE THAT ON MONDAY.
[ Board And Commission Appointments * Arts And Beautification Commission - Reappointment]
THERE IS A NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.UH, TONY, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THAT MOTION? YES, IT WOULD BE, UH, FOR THREE REASONS.
UM, THE FIRST TO CONSIDER THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES.
SECONDLY, TO CONSIDER THE SALE OR OTHER DISPOSITION OF UNNEEDED PROPERTY BY COMPETITIVE BID.
AND, UH, THIRDLY FOR DISCUSSIONS WITH AN ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY CONCERNING DISPUTES THAT ARE THE SUBJECT OF PENDING OR IMMINENT COURT ACTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? NANCY? SECOND.
YOU HAVE A MOTION? AND SECOND.
MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO AND WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND RETURN NOTIFY IF ANY ACTION WILL BE TAKEN AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
THANK YOU FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, IT IS 8:18 PM WHEN WE'RE MOVING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
OKAY, SO IT'S 9 27 AND WE HAVE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ACTION THAT WILL BE TAKEN IS COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED, UH, THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING FORTH LEGISLATION TO HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL REGARDING PENDING OR EMMETT LITIGATION.
AND WE WILL SEE THAT AT MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING.
IT'S NOW 9 27 AND THIS WORK SESSION IS ADJOURNED.