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WE'RE GOOD.[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
OKAY.GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY HUB HEIGHT CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
TODAY'S DATE IS APRIL THE 20TH, 2023, AND THE TIME WE'RE GETTING STARTED IS 6 0 2.
THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER ATTORNEY.
WHAT'D YOU CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE? MR. SHAW? HERE.
WELL, WE DO HAVE A QUO, SO HERE WE GO.
[2. Approval Of Minutes]
ITEM NUMBER TWO, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.WE NEED TO JUST NEED TO APPROVE.
SO THOSE WILL GO ON THE NEXT MEETING FOR APPROVAL.
HAS EVERYONE REVIEWED THOSE? AND IS THERE ANY QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE THOSE ON? NO.
THEY, WE JUST ALREADY APPROVED TODAY.
WE'RE APP APPROVE TONIGHT AT THE WORK SITE.
ANY OBJECTIONS? ARE THEY CLEAR? ARE WE GOOD? SURE.
NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.
[ City Manager Report]
ITEM THREE A IS SENIOR'S REPORT.UH, COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR COUNSELING COMMUNITY TONIGHT.
UH, FIRST, WANNA LET FOLKS KNOW THAT, UH, THE RTA BUS SHELTER IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEGUN.
UH, THE SHELTER PADS ARE BEING POURED THIS WEEK AND NEXT, UH, AND SHELTER INSTALLATION WILL START THE WEEK OF MAY 1ST.
UH, THERE ARE FOUR SHELTERS TO ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE NEW LIBRARY, UH, ONE ON BRANT, UH, JUST NORTH OF THE, UH, SPEEDWAY THERE AT CHAMBERSBURG, AND THEN ONE ON OLD TROY PIKE IN FRONT OF THE DONATOS.
IT'S A REPLACEMENT SHELTER FROM ONE THAT WAS DAMAGED PREVIOUSLY.
UH, ALSO WANT TO BRING TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION THAT THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT OLD TROY IN HAYDEN PLACE, UH, IS NOW, UH, FULLY OPERATIONAL AND FUNCTIONING.
SO JUST, UH, UH, MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE MOVING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION FOR, UH, THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AS PEOPLE GET USED TO THAT.
UH, ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE, UH, EARTH DAY IS THIS SATURDAY, AND, UH, WE'VE GOT TWO EVENTS COMING UP.
FIRST, THERE'S A STYROFOAM RECYCLING EVENT FROM NINE TO ONE OVER AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, AND THAT'S IN THE WEST PARKING LOT.
UH, AND, UH, THE EVENT IS OPEN TO ALL COMMUNITY CITY, UH, ALL COMMUNITIES, CITIES AND INDIVIDUALS.
UH, THIS IS ALSO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
UH, SMALL BUSINESSES AND CONTRACTORS ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE.
UH, ONLY WHITE STYROFOAM WILL BE ACCEPTED AT THIS EVENT.
UH, AND STYROFOAM, PEANUTS AND PIECES, UH, SHOULD BE DELIVERED IN CLEAR PLASTIC BAGS.
UH, THEY WILL NOT ACCEPT USED FOOD CONTAINERS, UH, IF, UH, RECYCLING IS NOT YOUR BAG FOR, UH, EARTH DAY.
WE ALSO HAVE A, UH, A PARK CLEANUP EVENT, UH, AND THAT IS BEING HOSTED, UH, AGAIN ON SATURDAY FROM 11 TO, UH, 12 IS WHEN FOLKS CAN STOP BY THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND PICK UP THEIR TRASH GRABBERS AND BAGS.
UH, ONCE THEY, UH, UH, HEAD OVER TO WHATEVER PARK, UH, THEY'D LIKE TO CLEAN, UH, THEY CAN JUST LEAVE FULL BAGS, UH, UP AGAINST THE EXISTING TRASH RECEPTACLES.
AND CITY, CITY STAFF WILL PICK EVERYTHING UP ON MONDAY.
UH, EVERYONE, UH, IS WELCOME TO ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE FOR MORE INFORMATION ON BOTH EVENTS.
UH, FOLKS ARE ENCOURAGED TO VISIT THE WEBSITE, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT ANYONE MIGHT HAVE.
I ALWAYS LOVE A GOOD EARTH TODAY EVENT.
PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEE I'LL BE THERE.
DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATES ON WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN IN MARION MEADOW'S AREA? UH, WE DO, UH, WAS PLANNING TO PROVIDE COUNSEL WITH A MORE THOROUGH UPDATE.
UM, IN THE NEXT PROBABLY MEETING OR TWO.
SO, UH, WE DO KNOW THAT WE OWE YOU ALL AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER THERE.
SO THAT IS, UH, ON OUR CALENDAR.
[ Military And Veterans Commission Update]
WHICH IS A MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION UPDATE.LASTLY, UH, HERE FROM THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION.
HE'S THE CURRENT CHAIR, AND, UH, HE'S GONNA PROVIDE THE UPDATE ON THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING.
MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD TO SEE YOU AND MY BUDDY TONY
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO JUST, UH, THANK THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS AND THE COUNCIL FOR STANDING WITH US IN OCTOBER ON THE LOSS OF OUR DAUGHTER AND, UH, HER FIANCE.
WE JUST, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF MY FAMILY FOR Y'ALL STANDING WITH US AND SENDING US CONDOLENCES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS TO, UH, HELP US THROUGH THAT.
UM, WE HAVE CUSTODY OF OUR THREE-YEAR-OLD GA GRANDDAUGHTER.
I WAS JUST TELLING TONY, UM, BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, OUR YOUNGEST IS 21, SO, UH, WE ARE STARTING OVER.
AND ANITA SAID SHE WILL, WE NEED TO TALK, SO I WILL BE HOLDING HER TO THAT.
I HEARD SHE SAYS SHE BABYSITS.
THAT MEANS A PLAYMATES FOR MINE, RIGHT? FOR ALL RIGHT,
I JUST WANT TO GET THAT OUT THE WAY.
UM, SO THE FIRST THING IS OUR MEMORIAL DAY EVENT.
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UM, IT IS ON MAY 29TH AT 4:00 PM UM, EVERY YEAR WE KIND OF STRUGGLE.UM, THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS HAS SHARED THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BEING A OFF DAY FOR THE CITY.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT EARLIER, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY, UM, THINGS ARE SET UP, IT WILL BE AT 4:00 PM SO WE, UM, THANK THE CITY FOR SUPPORTING US AND, UM, HAVING THAT EVENT.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST HAMMERING OUT SOME DETAILS AS FAR AS THE GUEST SPEAKER AND THE, UH, PASTOR FOR THE INVOCATION AND THE, UH, BENEDICTION.
SO WE'RE HAMMERING THOSE DETAILS OUT.
UH, THE HUBER HEIGHTS MILITARY HONORS PAVER PROGRAM, UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT.
WE ARE TRYING TO RAISE MORE AWARENESS AND VISIBILITY AND ALL OF OUR MILITARY ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, WE HAVE DROPPED ALL FLYERS FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE, IF YOU WILL, RECOGNIZE THOSE LOVED ONES THAT ARE STILL ALIVE, OR THOSE LOVED ONES THAT MAY HAVE, UH, PASSED ON TO BE RECOGNIZED THAT ARE AT TOM CLOUD.
SO THE VFW, AMVETS, AMERICAN LEGION, THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN LEFT AT THEIR LOCATIONS, AND WE'RE ALSO STILL TRYING TO RAISE MORE AWARENESS, LIKE I SAID, UM, AFTER THE FIRST 50 OR SOLD, THEN WE WILL BEGIN THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE THAT WERE SOLD.
FURTHER INFO CAN BE FOUND ON A CITY WEB ADDRESS, OR YOU CAN CALL 9 3 7 2 3 3 1 5 6 2.
AS FAR AS THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMISSION, WE DID HAVE THREE MEMBERS THAT RESIGNED.
TWO OF THOSE VACANCIES HAVE BEEN FILLED.
UH, I STEPPED DOWN BECAUSE OF WHAT I SHARED EARLIER, BUT, UM, ONE OF THOSE, THE CHAIR MOVED OUT OF STATE, SO IT GOT PUSHED BACK IN MY LANE.
SO I AM THE INTERIM CHAIR UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT, UM, HOW WE MOVE AHEAD, UH, LATER IN THIS YEAR, HOPEFULLY LATER IN THIS YEAR.
BUT IF NOT, I'LL REMAIN FOR THE RIDE TILL JANUARY, IF NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE WE CAN, UM, ACCOMPLISH OUR GOALS.
SO, UH, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO TOUCH ON IS SOME UPCOMING EVENTS FOR OUR VETERANS, AND THOSE, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT MAY NOT BE AWARE OF, UH, THE HONOR FLIGHT IS WHERE WE RECOGNIZE THOSE, WHERE THEY TAKE A FLIGHT TO WASHINGTON DC, THE VIETNAM MEMORIAL, THE, UM, ARLINGTON CEMETERY AND THOSE THINGS ON 4 29 23.
AND THEN ANOTHER EVENT IS THE VETS MOVING FORWARD EVENT THAT'S HELD ANNUALLY AT RICE STATE UNIVERSITY.
THEY WILL HAVE A JOB FAIR FOR VETERANS FOR THOSE EMPLOYERS THAT ARE SEEKING VETERANS, AND THEN THEY WILL ALSO HAVE MILITARY ORGANIZATIONS ON HAND TO HELP VETERANS GET BENEFITS TO ACCESS TO GI BILL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
I'VE PARTICIPATED IN ALL OF THEM, UH, WHEN I WAS WITH UNITED WAY OF GREATER DAYTON.
I'M CURRENTLY WITH VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA AT THE DAYTON VA CAMPUS, WHERE WE HELP HOUSE HOMELESS VETERANS.
UM, WE HELP HOUSE HOMELESS VETERANS.
IT'S A HOUSING FIRST PROGRAM, SO 90 DAYS WE WANT TO HAVE THEM HOUSED, STABLY HOUSED.
SO THAT IS WHAT I'M DOING ON TOP OF RAISING A THREE YEAR OLD.
UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I'LL JUST START.
I JUST WANT TO, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'VE, CONSIDERING THE LOSS THAT YOU HAD CON, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT YOU'VE CONTINUED TO GIVE TO THE CITY AND THIS COMMISSION.
UM, I THINK IT JUST GOES, HOPEFULLY IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE YOU.
SO NOTHING BUT, UH, LOVE AND RESPECT FOR YOU AND, AND YOUR FAMILY.
AND, UH, WISH ALL OF YOU THE BEST MOVING, MOVING FORWARD.
AND, AND THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO SERVE THE, THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY AND OUR IN OUR COMMISSION.
UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, OR ANY COMMENTS FOR KEON? GREAT JOB.
LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN, SIR.
I'LL SEE YOU AT SAM'S CLUB, OUR REGULAR SPOT.
[ Disposal Of Surplus Vehicles]
OKAY.NEXT WE HAVE ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS THE DISPOSAL OF SOME, UH, SURPLUS VEHICLES, MIKE? UH, YES.
BASICALLY THIS IS, UM, WITH THE, UH, DISPOSABLE VEHICLES.
UM, IT'S LISTED VEHICLES THAT WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN THE NEXT, UM, SIX TO 12 MONTHS, UM, THROUGH OUR LEASE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE.
UM, SOME OF THE VEHICLES HAVE BEEN ON DELAY, SO WHEN WE'RE DUE IN
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2022.UM, BUT DUE TO THE, THE DIFFICULTY OF GETTING THE TYPE OF VEHICLES THAT PUBLIC WORKS NEEDS AS FAR AS BIG TRUCKS AND TRUCKS, UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME, YOU KNOW, LOGISTICAL ISSUES WITH SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, SO SOME OF THESE VEHICLES WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DISPOSED OF ONLY TWO OF THEM, BUT THEN IN THE FUTURE, NOT TO, NOT TO, UM, DON'T PUSH ANYTHING FORWARD, BUT, UM, JUST TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME BEFORE WHEN THEY'RE ABLE TO BE DISPOSED OF.
I'M HAPPY, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Thorngate Drive - Removal - Award Contract]
ITEM THREE D, WHICH IS THORN GATE DRIVE, UH, REMOVAL AND AWARD IN THAT CONTRACT.RUSS? YES, UH, GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.
UM, THIS ITEM, UH, IS, UH, AUTHORIZATION AND AN AWARD TO ENTERING A CONTRACT WITH LK AND SONS EXCAVATING.
THIS IS FOR THE REMOVAL OF THORN GATE DRIVE, WHICH IS A SHORT STUB STREET, UH, OFF OF WAYNE GATE ROAD.
UH, I THINK THERE'S A PICTURE IN YOUR PACKET FOR THAT.
UH, THE SHORT STREET WAS BUILT WITH THE ORIGINAL HUBERT PLAT AND WAS NEVER EXTENDED WHEN, UH, PARK TOWN SUBDIVISION WAS BUILT, UH, ON THE, IN THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT.
UH, THE ROADWAY IS CURRENTLY CREATE, UH, CREATING A DRAINAGE PROBLEM.
AND WE DECIDED IT WAS BETTER TO REMOVE THE ROADWAY THAN TO FIX A DRAINAGE PROBLEM AND THEN CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN A ROAD THAT WILL NEVER GO ANYWHERE.
UH, WE ASKED THREE LOCAL CONTRACTORS, SMALL CONTRACTORS TO SUBMIT QUOTES TO DO THE, UH, STREET REMOVAL.
AND, UH, THAT IS TO INCLUDE REMOVING THE EXISTING PAVEMENT, THE CURB, AND THE SIDEWALK THAT RUNS DOWN THE ROAD.
UH, THEN THEY WOULD INSTALL NEW CURB ALONG W GATE AND NEW SIDEWALK ALONG WAYNE GATE, UH, TO, AND THEN BRING IN TOPSOIL IN THE BACK TO REGRADE THE AREA AND SEED IT, UH, TO ELIMINATE THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM THAT'S BACK THERE.
UH, ELKAN SONS WAS THE LOWEST INVEST BIDDER AT $27,484.
THE OTHER TWO CONTRACTORS, ROUGHLY FIVE AND $7,000 MORE THAN THAT.
UH, WE DID HAVE AN TIC SEED OF $45,000 FOR THAT.
AND, UH, THAT WAS KIND OF QUESTIONED, I THINK, IN AN EMAIL.
UM, I'D LIKE TO PASS THIS OUT.
REASON WHY I'M ASKING FOR AN AREA IN FRONT OF THORN GATE THAT I'M GONNA HAVE TO REMOVE.
UH, THEN I HAVE TO REMOVE THE PAVEMENT, UH, BECAUSE WE NOTICED KIND OF BY THE TIME THE BID, UH, THE QUOTES CAME IN THAT, UH, THAT AREA, THE PAVEMENT'S NOT A REGULAR CROWN ROAD.
IT KIND OF HUMPS UP AS IT GOES INTO THE OTHER ROAD.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE OUT THAT AREA.
AND, UH, AFTER WE GOT THE LOWEST BID, I ASKED THE LOWER THE CONTRACTOR TO GET A QUOTE FOR HAVING AN PAVEMENT COMPANY TO COME IN AND TAKE IT OUT AND REPLACE THE PAVEMENT AFTER THE CURBS IN.
SO, UM, WITH THOSE TWO TOGETHER, IT COMES OUT TO $39,984.
AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE, UH, $45,000, UH, NOT TO EXCEED.
AND, UH, AFTER THIS IS COMPLETED, WE ARE, UM, TAKING THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE, AND WE'RE GONNA BE SPLITTING IT INTO TWO HALVES AND GIVE IT TO EACH PROPERTY OWNER, EACH SIDE FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT LATER ON.
SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.
THIS LOOKS LIKE ON THIS ONE SIDE THERE'S A SIDEWALK.
WILL THAT ALSO BE TAKEN OUT? AM I IMAGINING THE TWO SIDEWALKS GOING NORTH THERE? THEY'RE BOTH COMING OUT, SO EVERY, THERE'LL BE A NEW ONE ACROSS THE FRONT WITH A NEW CURB.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, RICHARD? THANK YOU.
UM, THOSE COMMENTS ARE FOR, UH, FOR RUSS AND BRIAN.
APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS', UH, ATTENTION TO THIS PROJECT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT BEHIND, BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ESTIMATES AND THE WEATHER AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, I, I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE, UH, WITHOUT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENCE AND AREA, UH, THEY WILL BE ECSTATIC TO, TO HEAR THIS PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD AND EVEN MORE, UM, UH, ELATED, UH, WHEN IT'S, UH, COMPLETED.
SO, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, FOR ALL STAFF'S WORK ON THIS, AND I'LL BE EXCITED TO SEE THIS PROJECT COMPLETED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.
[ Emeraldgate Water Tower Painting - Award Contract]
NEXT IS ITEM THREE E, THE EMERALD GATE WATER TOWER PAINTING AWARD.IN THAT CONTRACT, RUSS? UH, YEAH, THIS SIGN WILL ALLOW US TO SOLICIT BIDS FOR THE PAINTING OF THE EMERALD GATE.
DAVID GATE WATER TOWER KIND OF HAS TWO NAMES.
UH, I GAVE YOU AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE WATER TOWER, AND IT'S NEXT TO THE CHARLES HUBER SCHOOL, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CITY.
UH, THE WATER TOWER, IT'S A STANDPIPE TOWER, AND THEY CAN, CAN HOLD A HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE, ONE 0.75 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER.
AND IT WAS LAST PAINTED IN 2010.
UH, THE WORK WILL INCLUDE ABRASIVE BLAST CLEANING AND
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PAINTING OF THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR OF THE TOWER.THERE WERE SIX BIDDERS AND, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND, UH, VIKING PAINTING, WHICH IS ACTUALLY FROM NEBRASKA, WAS THE SECOND LOW BIDDER AT $437,800 WITH A COMPLETION TIME OF 60 DAYS.
UH, AND THAT'S SHOWN ON THE BID TABULATIONS THAT WE INCLUDED.
UM, THE LOW BIDDER WAS INSPECT COATING AND, UH, THEY ELECTED TO WITHDRAW THEIR BID.
SOON AFTER THE BID OPENING, UH, THEY FOUND A MISCALCULATION IN THEIR ESTIMATE AND THEY ASKED WHETHER THEY COULD JUST REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM IT.
UH, SO WE ALLOWED THEM TO DO THAT.
UH, THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR THIS WORK IS 482,000, WHICH IS, UH, 10% OVER THE BID.
UM, THEY PLAN TO START THE WORK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, AND THE PROJECT SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY AUGUST 1ST.
UM, BUT THE SECOND PORTION OF THE LEGISLATION IS FOR INSPECTION TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE, WE ARE USING NELSON TANK ENGINEERING CONSULTING.
UH, LIKE I SAID, WE, WHO WE PREFER TO USE, UM, THE NELSON TANK IS, THE COST THEY GAVE US WAS $18,040 FOR 22 DAYS OF INSPECTION.
UH, WE HAVE ASKED FOR 40,000 AS NOT TO EXCEED, UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE UNCERTAINTY OF WHAT THEY COULD FIND WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY SANDBLASTING AND PAINTING.
IT TAKE, COULD TAKE MORE INSPECTIONS.
AND IF THE PAINTING GOES ON A LITTLE LONGER, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE MORE MONEY IN THERE FOR EXTRA DAYS OF INSPECTION WORK.
BUT, UH, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE, UH, 40,000 FOR THE NOT TO EXCEED ON THAT.
UM, NELSON TANK, WE PICKED THEM AS A SOLE SOURCE.
I THINK THAT WAS ANOTHER EMAIL THAT WAS OUT THERE.
UM, WE'VE HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND THEY'VE INSPECTED THE LAST FOUR WATER TOWER JOBS THAT WE'VE DID.
WE'VE DONE A PAINTING ON THOSE AND THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE GOOD WORK FOR US.
UM, THEY ARE EXPERTS IN WATER TOWER WORK, AND THEY'VE, UH, THEY GIVE US HELP WITH THE BEGINNING WHEN WE BID THIS OUT FOR PRELIMINARY TESTING OF THE EXISTING PAINT ON THE TOWER.
AND THEY PROVIDE, UH, THE SPECIFICATIONS WE NEED FOR THE BID DOCUMENTS.
UM, WE FELT, WE FELT THAT THE, THEIR COST WAS FAIR FOR THE AMOUNT OF HOURS OF INSPECTION THAT THEY PROVIDED.
UH, THEY'RE OUT OF MICHIGAN, IT'S FOUR HOURS AWAY FOR THEM, BUT THE TRAVEL EXPENSES ARE INCLUDED IN THAT COST.
UM, AND THIS PROJECT IS BUDGETED OUTTA THE WATER FUND WITH BOTH ITEMS AT $522,000.
ANY QUESTIONS, DON? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, ROSS, CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANY ANTICIPATED IMPACT ON, UH, RESIDENTS UP THERE, UH, DURING THE PERIOD? UH, WE'VE PAINTED THIS ONE BEFORE AND, UH, I THINK THEY USE, UH, THEY USE A LOT OF COVERINGS TO TRY TO, IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE WIND ISSUES, THEY COVER IT, UH, BEFORE THEY PAINT MM-HMM.
SO YEAH, SINCE WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE AND WE'VE GOT THE SAME INSPECTION TEAM DO DOING IT, WE FEEL THAT, UH, WE SHOULD BE FINE WITH THAT.
AND WILL THERE BE ANY IMPACT AT ALL ON WATER PRESSURE UP THERE DURING THAT TIME? UH, NO.
THE WATER TOWER WILL BE DOWN FOR THE TWO MONTHS AND THE OTHER BOOSTER STATIONS AND WATER TOWERS WILL MAINTAIN THE SAME PRESSURE.
WELL, ANYTHING ELSE? YES, ANITA? SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE OTHER PEOPLE THAT DO THESE INSPECTIONS? UH, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE, NONE OF 'EM ARE CLOSE.
THERE AREN'T ANY INDIANAPOLIS.
THERE MIGHT BE, I THINK ONE OR ONE OR TWO OF 'EM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THEY'RE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
BUT THERE'S NONE IN THE, ANYWHERE IN THIS AREA HERE.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THAT WE DIDN'T FEEL THE COST WAS THAT HIGH, THAT IF YOU WENT FOR SOMEBODY FURTHER AWAY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE PAYING MORE.
AND, UH, YEAH, I JUST DON'T LIKE, JUST THE FACT THAT WE'VE USED THEM FOUR TIMES WHEN THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE A GREAT JOB.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE KIND OF, I GUESS I'M OLD SCHOOL COMING FROM A GOVERNMENT JOB.
WE ALWAYS WENT OUT TO BED NO MATTER WHAT, WHETHER THEY'VE DONE THE JOB OR NOT.
I JUST THINK IT'S BETTER BUSINESS TO GO OUT TO BED.
I CAN, I CAN MAKE SURE WE DO THAT NEXT TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ OneOhio Opioid Settlement Participation Agreement]
WHICH IS THE ONE OHIO OPIOID SETTLEMENT PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT.BRIAN, UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS ON BEFORE COUNSEL.
UH, THIS IS EFFECTIVELY A SETTLEMENT WITH THE DISTRIBUTION NETWORK, UH, FOR THE OPIOIDS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE EARLIER SETTLEMENT, UH, WITH, UH, SOME OF THE MANUFACTURERS.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION AFFIRMS OUR APPLICATION, THE DI THE TIMELINE, UM, AND THE DEADLINE NECESSARY TO SUBMIT AND BE A PART OF THIS PROGRAM PRECEDED, UH, THIS WORK SESSION IN THE COUNCIL MEETING.
SO WE AS STAFF ACTUALLY HAD TO ALREADY MAKE THE APPLICATION,
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UH, TO ENSURE WE HAD ACCESS TO THIS MONEY.UH, WE DON'T YET KNOW WHAT THE DISTRIBUTION IS, UH, PER, UM, UH, PARTICIPANT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARTICIPANTS ARE IN, SO THEY'RE JUST CALCULATING THAT INFORMATION NOW.
UH, BUT THIS WOULD BE MONEY IN ADDITION TO, UH, THE ROUGHLY $11,000 WE ALREADY RECEIVED THROUGH THE MANUFACTURER'S SETTLEMENT, UH, THAT WE PARTICIPATED IN.
SO, UH, STAFF WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL, ADOPT THIS LEGISLATION ON MONDAY, UH, TO AFFIRM OUR APPLICATION AND ENSURE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO RECEIVE ADDITIONAL REVENUES, UH, FROM THE OPIOID SETTLEMENTS.
YEAH, BRIAN, AS I WAS LOOKING OVER THIS ONE, UM, I GOT YOU THINKING ABOUT, UM, WHERE IS THIS MONEY GOING TO BE SPENT? AND I, I WANT TO SAY WE HAD DISCUSSIONS PRIOR, UH, TO THE Y M C A A PROGRAMMING, UM, AND I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS OF WHAT TYPES OF PROGRAMMINGS THEY'D BE PROVIDING TO HIT THAT TARGET AUDIENCE WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND BEFORE I FINISH, UH, I WAS THINKING THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED BOTH AND I KNOW THOUGH THEY'RE THEIR BROTHER SISTER, BUT, UM, UH, UH, THE Y I THINK THE Y W C A MAY HAVE MORE PROGRAMMING THAT LENDS TO THIS TYPE OF, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, I GUESS.
AND, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE.
AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF WE COULD POSSIBLY LOOK TO THE Y W C A TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PROVIDE FOR THEM TO, TO GIVE SOME OF THIS PROGRAMMING IN THE COMMUNITY.
I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD THAT.
UM, UH, THE NEW CENTER DOWN THERE AND, UH, THEY'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM AND PLENTY OF SPACE, AND I KNOW THEY'RE DEVELOPING A LOT OF PROGRAMS AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF PROGRAMS CURRENTLY, UM, THAT REALLY HIT THAT TARGET WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO MAYBE WE LOOK TOWARDS THEM.
HAPPY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
ANY OBJECTIONS MOVING THAT ON TO MONDAY? ALL RIGHT.
[ Water Infrastructure Update]
WHICH IS THE ORDER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.UH, PURSUANT TO COUNSEL'S REQUEST, INCLUDED IN THE PACKET IS AN UPDATED, UH, GRID SHEET FOR PROJECT STATUS.
YOU'LL NOTICE SEVERAL DATES HAVE BEEN UPDATED FOR THE 2023 PROJECT.
UH, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT A BID SCHEDULE IN PLACE, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNSEL MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THAT DOCUMENT.
BRIAN, DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATE ON THE WARNING SAMPLES? UH, DO NOT.
UH, WE MIGHT, UH, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.
WE MAY, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT THOSE ARE YET.
UH, I WAS TRAVELING EARLIER THIS WEEK, SO, UH, LET ME GET WITH THE ENGINEER AND, UH, WE'LL GET YOU WHAT INFORMATION WE'VE GOT.
ANYTHING ELSE? I JUST WANTED TO STATE MARDI GRAS WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT IS TOTALLY FINISHED NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE? OKAY.
AND NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE H, WHICH
[ Fire Division Staffing Update]
IS THE FIRE DIVISION STAFFING UPDATE.YOU HAVE AN UPDATED, UM, HIRING, UH, CHART WITHIN YOUR PACKET, UH, FROM THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER.
UH, ONE ADDITIONAL UPDATE FOR COUNSEL AS OF ABOUT 11 O'CLOCK THIS MORNING, CANDIDATE 42, UH, DID ACCEPT A CONDITIONAL OFFER, UH, AND IS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN WORK WITH THE FIRE DIVISION ON MAY 22ND.
SO, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS COUNSEL MAY HAVE REGARDING THE INFORMATION IN THE PACKET.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN REGARDING THE FIRE STAFFING? YES, GLENN, NOT NECESSARILY A QUESTION.
I'LL JUST SAY, BRIAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS WORK.
I'M SURE MR. LYONS IS GONNA GREATLY APPRECIATE HEARING THIS.
UM, WHEN I SAW THE, THE CHART AND WHERE WE WERE AT ON THAT 42ND, IT LOOKED LIKE WE WERE RIGHT AR RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM IT.
SO BRIAN, THEY'RE JUST GONNA COMPLETE THEIR ASSIGNMENTS.
THEY HAVE A COUPLE MORE ASSIGNMENTS TO DO.
IS THAT WHAT I OR, UH, IN THE, YEAH, IN THE INTEREST OF THE TWO CANDIDATES, 41 AND 40, UH, EXCUSE ME, 40 AND 41.
UH, THEY ARE, UM, UH, THEY'LL ACTUALLY BEGIN THEIR FIRST DAY, UH, ON SHIFT WITH THE CITY ON THE 24TH.
SO THEY'RE FULLY QUALIFIED, UM, OF MAY, UH, NO, OF, UH, THEY'LL BE 24TH OF, UH, APRIL.
AND THEN, UH, THE, THE 42ND CANDIDATE IS ACTUALLY WAITING ON CERT, UH, CERTIFICATE TRANSFERS FROM THE STATE OF ALABAMA.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE OUT ON, ON MAY 22ND.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
I APPRECIATE YOU AND THE FIRE CHIEF.
THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ALL, UH, CHIEF KNIK AND, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR.
AS GLENN SAID, THAT'S NUMBER 42.
SHOULD MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAPPY.
[ PVS Plastics - CRA Agreement]
I, WHICH IS PBS PLASTICS, THE C R AGREEMENT.UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, PBS PLASTICS IS LOCATED OVER ON, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND THEY'RE IN THE PLASTIC EXTRUSIONS BUSINESS.
UH, AND THAT BUSINESS IS GROWING, UH, AND HAS, UH, REPEATEDLY OVER THE LAST, UM, SEVERAL YEARS.
UH, THEY HAVE PUT IN FOR AN EDGE GRANT, UH, TO HELP PROVIDE FOR AN
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EXPANSION AT THEIR FACILITY, TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL WORK, UH, AND PRODUCT LINE, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, INCREASE THEIR EMPLOYMENT BASE.I BELIEVE, UH, ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS IS WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO ADD.
UH, WITH REGARD TO PAYROLL, UH, AS PART OF, UH, THE EDGE GRANT, UH, WE ARE COMMITTING, OR AT LEAST, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT, UH, THE CITY COMMIT TO A, UH, 15 YEAR, 100% TAX ABATEMENT, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, PRE 1994, UH, CRA THAT, UH, THAT DOES EXIST THERE.
UH, AND, UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL ADVANCE THIS LEGISLATION ON, UH, ON MONDAY.
UH, MR. RICH TURIK, WHO IS THE, UH, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER FOR, UH, PBS PLASTICS HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, IS HERE THIS EVENING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
UH, BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL, ENTERTAIN THIS LEGISLATION ON MONDAY.
NO QUESTIONS, BUT SIR, I JUST WANNA SAY I'M HAPPY TO SEE A BUSINESS OF YOUR TYPE GROWING.
UM, I THINK THOSE ARE THE JOBS WE WANT TO SEE.
YEAH, IT'S REALLY NEAT TO SEE PLASTICS, THIS WAS SUCH AN AREA.
IF YOU JUST COME, PLASTICS HAS BEEN A PART OF OUR HISTORY HERE IN DAYTON FOR MANY YEARS.
AND, UH, A LOT OF SAW BACK IN, IN THE SEVENTIES, A LOT OF STUFF GOING OFFSHORE.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS THINGS ARE COMING BACK.
WE'RE EXPERIENCING SIGNIFICANT GROWTH.
WE HAVE A DIRECT SHIP, UH, RIGHT NOW BEING ASKED BY A TIER ONE AUTO MANUFACTURER.
AND WE APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL'S SUPPORT.
UH, YOU HELPED US PURCHASE THAT FACILITY ON THE EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD WHEN IT BECAME AVAILABLE.
AND THIS EXPANSION THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING WILL UTILIZE EVERY LAST SQUARE INCH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN FOR, FOR, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
AND SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT SO WE CAN GET THESE JOBS.
IT'S GOING TO INCREASE OUR PRODUCTION FLOOR SPACE, 50% AND OUR WORKFORCE, UH, FULL-TIME, 50% AS WELL.
WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I'M GLAD TO SEE IT AND, UH, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING A COMMUNITY PARTNER WITH US FROM THE BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE.
AND, UH, BEST OF LUCK TO YOU AND YOUR BUSINESS AND HOPE, HOPE WE ARE, ARE BACK HERE DOING THIS AGAIN SOMETIME.
HOPEFULLY YOU'LL HELP YOU BREAK US GROUND HERE BEFORE TOO LONG.
WHY ARE, WE HAVE HIM AT THE PODIUM AND HE ALREADY SAT BACK DOWN
UM, I UNDERSTAND THIS AGREEMENT IS, UH, IS 28 FULL-TIME JOBS, UM, UH, SPANNED OVER THREE YEARS.
UM, IS THAT A, IS THAT A TIERED APPROACH? UH, THAT'S QUESTION ONE AND TWO.
UM, WHAT DO YOU SEE THE LIKELIHOOD OF EXCEEDING THAT? BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S JUST THE REQUIREMENT OF THE APPLICATION, RIGHT? UM, AND I UNDERSTAND WE'VE SEEN THESE APPLICATIONS COME ACROSS, UH, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL BEFORE WHERE THOSE, YOU KNOW, JOB REQUIREMENTS ARE JUST PUT IN THERE FOR THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
DO YOU SEE EXCEEDING THOSE 28 JOBS? UM, OR IS, IS THAT, UM, THE THRESHOLD THAT YOU GUYS ARE, ARE, ARE SET AT RIGHT NOW? UM, THE, I'M ALREADY GOING BACK.
THE FIRST QUESTION, UM, I'VE ALREADY FORGOTTEN.
SO YOU, SO THE APPLICATION STATES, UH, THE 28 JOBS IS GONNA BE OVER A, UH, A THREE OVER THREE YEAR PERIOD.
SO, STAGGER WE WE'RE GOING TO PURCHASE MACHINES, WE, THOSE ARE BASICALLY CONDITIONALLY ON ORDER.
BUT WE WOULD HOPE BY A YEAR END, UH, RAMPING UP, UM, WE WOULD SEE JOBS CREATION THIS YEAR.
I MEAN, THE, THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN EMPLOYMENT WILL HAPPEN 2023.
AND SO CURRENTLY WE RUN OUR ASSEMBLY LINE OF FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
THREE SHIFTS IN THAT WE ANTICIPATE JULY ONE.
IF THIS GOES FORWARD, THAT WILL BE, UM, SIX DAYS A WEEK.
AND WE WILL, AT THAT POINT HAVE TO BREAK INTO FOUR SHIFTS.
AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE WORKING THREE ON THREE OFF TIME.
WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
THIS WILL BE, THEY'RE WORKING THREE DAYS ON, TWO DAYS OFF, FOUR SHIFTS.
THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OF OUTPUT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE MOST OF THOSE JOBS, UH, IN 23.
AND THEN THESE, THEY'LL BE TECHNICAL PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY BEING RECRUITED, YOU KNOW, ANTICIPATION, THIS IS HAPPENING, THAT THOSE WILL COME ON HERE.
AND THEN AS VOLUMES INCREASE, WE ARE PRESENTLY, OUR BUSINESS IS MOSTLY AUTOMOTIVE.
AND THIRD, WE'VE BEEN ADDING SPECIFICALLY TO CONSUMER PRODUCTS LIKE OUTDOOR POWER EQUIPMENT.
AND WITH ONE OF OUR SISTER COMPANIES NOW, WE HAVE BEEN AWARDED A CONTRACT FOR A LARGE INDUSTRIAL FANS.
THE, UH, UP UNTIL THIS POINT IN TIME, IF YOU RECALL, IF YOU WERE TO GO UP, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN MOVIES, BUT IF YOU GO UP AND TELL THESE BUILDINGS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE METAL FANS UP THERE.
APPARENTLY LEGISLATION HAS CHANGED OR REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN LOOSENED UP THAT THOSE CANNOT BE MADE OFF PLASTIC.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE INDUSTRIAL FANS THAT ARE YOUR, YOUR SEAL THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU ALL.
IT'S GONNA BE BIGGER THAN THAT, THE FANS STRETCHING OUT.
AND SO THIS IS, THIS IS A HUGE POTENTIAL GROWTH IN BUSINESS FOR US AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO HOPEFULLY MORE, BUT, UM, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT, THE PART TWO UNFOLDS, BUT THE OTHER STUFF, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY IMMEDIATE IMPACT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE, UH, THOROUGH DETAIL ON THAT.
AND WE'LL, UH, UH, LOVE TO SEE THE PROGRESS AND HOPEFULLY, UH, BACK
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BEFORE US TALKING ABOUT MORE JOBS AND EXPANSION, UH, AFTER 2024.LET US KNOW ABOUT AVAILABLE LAND.
WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY NEXT TO US.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OKAY, GREAT.
[ Case RZ BDP 22-35 - Thomas Dusa - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - Technology Boulevard/Artz Road]
THREE J, WHICH IS CASE R Z BDP 22 DASH 35.THOMAS DUSO REZONING THE BASE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AT ARTS ROAD.
UH, SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, NUMBER OF TIMES.
JUST REFRESH YOUR MEMORY OFF OF, UH, 2 35 IN ARTS AND TECHNOLOGY.
UH, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, 12 SEMI-TRUCK PARKING SPACES.
THE APPLICANT SINCE REVISED IT BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, THIS IS THE REVISED PLAN, WHICH IS LARGER, AT 30 SEMI-TRUCK PARKING SPACES, UH, AS WELL AS DETAIL OF THE TURNING RADIUS.
SO THERE, UH, THIS IS, UH, THIS SITE ACCOMMODATES WELL, UM, THE LARGE TRUCK, BRITTANY, THIS IS REQUIRED FOR, UH, FOR PARKING AND TURNING, ET CETERA.
UH, ALSO, UH, WHAT WAS DISTRIBUTED WAS, UM, UPDATED BUSINESS PLAN REMARKS, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED.
UH, SO ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE REPAIR FACILITY RENTAL, UH, IS ABOUT 50 15% OF THE MONTHLY INCOME.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTING.
THE TRUCK PARKING RENTAL IS 85% OF THE MONTHLY INCOME.
THE PARKING WILL BE AVAILABLE AND ADVERTISED BY BILLBOARDS IN THE INTERNET.
DRIVERS ARE EXPECTED TO SLEEP OFFSITE AS AS HE HAS ROUTINELY SAID.
UH, AND THEN, UM, HE, UH, TOM HAS, UH, OUTLINED THE IMPLEMENTATION COST.
HE'S ESTIMATING BETWEEN 400 AND $500,000, UH, TO MAKE THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD.
UH, THOMAS HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE OR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE OF ME.
QUESTIONS, COMMENT? YES, GLENN? YES.
UM, REAL QUICK FOR MS. MR. DUSA, UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UH, I, I LIKE THE LARGER PLAN BETTER.
I, I WISH IT HADN'T BEEN SHRUNK BACK TO BEGIN WITH, BUT I THINK THAT WORKS OUT A LOT BETTER.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU FORWARDING THIS TO US, THOUGH.
I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOVE AND BEYOND AND, AND NOT NECESSARY.
BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MEETING THAT REQUEST.
SO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO WORK WITH US.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, RICHARD? THANK YOU.
UM, YES, UH, I, I DO BELIEVE, UH, AND, UH, IT'S NOT SHOWN HERE.
I RECEIVED A SLIDE, UH, EARLIER TODAY THAT DID SHOW THE TURNING RADIUS, UH, INFORMATION.
UH, IT WAS, THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE.
UM, UH, HAVING LOOKED OVER THAT, UH, HAVING LOOKED OVER THE, UH, LARGER PLAN, UM, AND THE INFORMATION SUPPLIED, I, I THINK THAT DOES SATISFY AND ANSWERS ALL THE QUESTIONS.
UM, RE REGARDING THIS, AND, AND AARON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AND THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A ZONING CASE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, FOR ALL THE, UH, NUTS AND BOLTS.
SO AT THE LAST LINE, IT SAYS, UM, WE MAY CONSIDER IF WE CAN INCREASE YOUR REVENUE WITH THE HIGHER FEES BY LETTING TRUCKERS SLEEP IN THEIR CAB.
WE CONSIDER IT AS LONG AS WE CAN CONTROL THE SECURITY OF OUR SITE.
I THOUGHT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO SLEEP THERE.
UH, BASED ON WHAT THE COMMENTS WERE BEFORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANTING TO GO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND, AND, UM, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT SECURITY AND, AND ALL THAT.
IT, IT CAN BE PULLED OFF IF, IF, UM, IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY 24 HOURS ON SITE MM-HMM.
BUT IF NO, IF NOBODY'S THERE, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE INSIDE THERE.
UM, AND THE ONLY REASON I, I THREW THAT ON THERE WAS WE AREN'T SET IN STONE THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, CLOSE.
WE COULD STAY OPEN IF THE MARKET SO DRIVES IT.
IF IT TURNS OUT MOST OF THAT PARKING THAT WE WERE RENTING TO TRUCKS IS FROM THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY, WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO BE OPEN, BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH PEOPLE AND THEY GET TO KNOW THAT THEY CAN STAY THERE AND COME AT DIFFERENT HOURS, THEN WE WOULD, IT WOULD PAY TO HAVE SOMEBODY BE THERE AT ALL TIMES.
AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER PART THAT I HAPPENED TO THINK ABOUT WAS, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN WORK OUT AN AGREEMENT, IF SOMEBODY'S THERE AND WE CAN, WE CAN OFFER TO THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN YOUR CAB, YOU CAN, WE CAN CHARGE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO ASSURE THAT N NOTHING BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT ALSO WE COULD MONITOR THAT.
NOBODY ELSE IS COMING TO THAT SITE TO VISIT THEM.
BUT IF YOU GUYS SAY YOU DON'T WANT IT, THEN WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT EITHER.
I'M JUST TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THE THOUGHTS THAT YOU GUYS WERE BRINGING UP.
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YOU KNOW, IF THESE GUYS HAVE THEIR CABS, THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO PAY FOR A HOTEL IF THEY CAN STAY IN THEIR CABS, BUT I WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND WE DON'T HAVE SHOWERS, BATHROOMS, RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT TYPE OF THING.SO THEY'RE COMING THERE, THEY'RE JUST CATCHING THEIR HOURS AND GETTING OUT OF THERE.
THEY'LL PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THAT, FOR THAT SERVICE.
CAUSE WE GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY THERE AT ALL TIMES TO BE WATCHING FOR THEM.
IT'S A BUSINESS PLAN FOR POSSIBLE IF THAT, IF WE NEED TO DO THAT TO GET MORE REVENUE.
CUZ THAT'S THE KEY TO THE INCOME.
WE GOTTA GET THE REVENUE, SO, OKAY.
OR I'M SORRY, YOU, I MEAN, I JUST, MY OWN OPINION IS I'M, I'M, I WOULDN'T BE A FAN OF HAVING THE OPTION BECAUSE THEN WE'VE JUST TURNED THIS INTO A, A PLAUSIBLE TRUCK STOP.
AND I THINK THAT'S NOT WHAT I THINK, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE, NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, UH, I, I WOULD, UH, HAVE COUNSEL NOTE THAT, UH, THREE OF THE LARGEST COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND THEY, WELL, I'M GONNA SAY WITHIN THE TOP FIVE, UM, LGI BEERS AND, UH, P A T, UM, ALL ALLOW ONSITE PARKING FOR TRUCK DRIVERS.
UM, AND, AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS DO SLEEP IN THEIR RIGS, UH, WHEN THEY'RE MAKING DELIVERIES TO THOSE SET BUSINESSES OR TO LOCAL BUSINESSES WITHIN THE AREA.
UH, SOME OF YOUR OTHER, OTHER MAJOR RETAILERS, MEYERS, WALMART, THINGS LIKE THAT, HAVE POSTED SIGNS UP, UH, THAT DISCOURAGE THAT.
SO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALLOWING OR GOING TO BE ALLOWING TO HAVE A GATED AREA WITH SECURITY, UM, THAT COULD POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE IF NEED BE, UH, TO ALLOW THESE, UM, THESE COMMERCIAL DRIVERS TO SLEEP SAFELY, UM, I, I THINK IS A BIG PLUS.
UM, NOW, I, I TO WHAT YOU, YOUR EARLIER COMMENTS WAS TO THIS COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THAT, UH, THAT WASN'T THE, UM, THE BUSINESS MODEL THAT WE WERE HEARING.
UM, THAT WASN'T THE, UM, HOW DO I WANNA SAY THAT THAT WASN'T THE, THE REVENUE GENERATING GOAL THAT THIS, UH, LOCATION WAS LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE, WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
UM, BUT I DID WANNA MAKE NOTE THAT THERE ARE LOCATIONS WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY, UM, THAT PROPERTY OWNERS DO ALLOW THAT.
UM, AND, UM, AND I, I THINK A SAFE LOCATION IS DEFINITELY NEEDED IN THIS COMMUNITY.
CUZ AGAIN, IF YOU, UH, IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THE 1775 CORRIDOR, UM, I, I CAN'T REALLY THINK, YOU KNOW, WITHIN AN EXE OR TWO THAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND A SAFE LOCATION, UH, THAT IS NOT, UH, CRAYON FULL OF, UH, UM, POSSIBLE, UH, CRIME OR OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT, UH, CAN BE CONTROLLED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE CITY.
UH, SO I'M HOPING WITH, UH, WITH CERTAIN PARTNERSHIP, UH, THAT A FACILITY LIKE THIS COULD BE ERECTED, UH, AND BENEFICIAL NOT ONLY FOR THE IN TOWN, UM, OWNER OPERATORS, BUT ALSO THOSE WHO MAY BE PASSING BY IT.
ANYTHING ELSE? DO WE WANNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROCESS FORWARD? SO THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS.
UM, SO THE CENSUS SITE PLAN HAS CHANGED.
UM, I, I WOULD GUESS I WOULD LOOK TO LEGAL COUNSEL.
I WOULD THINK THIS WOULD BE, NEED TO BE A, UH, A SUPER MAJORITY TO, UM, TO APPROVE A NEW SITE PLAN THAT WAS NOT VIEWED BY PLANNING COMMISSION.
OPTION TWO IS TO REMAND IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW OF THIS LARGER SITE PLAN.
AND I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
HONOR THE DIRECTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE, DON.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT REMANDED BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO IS THAT, WAS THAT A RECOMMENDATION? IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION, YES.
ANY DISAGREEMENTS OR, NO, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY WHAT HAD PLANNING COMMISSION SAID ABOUT THE PREVIOUS PLAN THAT THEY WERE THEIR GO, THEIR, THEIR NEED TO, THEIR COMPLETION LIST FOR IT TO GO FORWARD BEFORE HE MADE THIS UPDATE? WHAT WAS THE SO, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEVER SAW THE LARGER VERSION.
IT WAS THE SMALLER VERSION THAT, THAT I HAD RECOMMENDED, UM, MR. DUSON MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UM, I I'M NOT SURE THERE WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT OF THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION REGARDING THE INCREASE IN SIZE OR, OR NOT.
UM, MOST OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT TOOK PLACE AT PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY REVOLVED AROUND, UM, MAKING SURE THIS WASN'T JUST A TRAILER DROP LOT AND THAT THERE WERE OTHER ACTIVITIES LIKE THE REPAIR FACILITY MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ABILITY OF THE APPLICANT TO, TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD, HENCE THE CONDITIONS THAT, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT CONDITIONS IN THERE ABOUT ZONING PERMITS.
THE, THE, THE BUILDING HAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED BEFORE OCCUPANCY.
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IS GRANTED.THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT, AARON.
MATTHEW, I MEAN, I CERTAINLY, YES, RICHARD, UM, I I HAVE NO CONCERN.
UM, UH, SECONDING, UH, COUNCILMAN WEBB'S MOTION TO REMAIN THIS BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, TO, UH, TO THE PLANNER'S, UH, COMMENTS.
I, I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF CONVERSATION OR MOVEMENT ON THIS.
UM, I, UH, I BELIEVE, UM, IN MY OPINION THAT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION WILL WELCOME THE, THE LARGER, UH, LOCATION WITH THE, UM, SAID CONDITIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN STATED FROM THE WOODS WOOD STAND.
SO THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD STAND, UM, PLUS WHATEVER, UM, ADDITIONAL ITEMS MAY COME OUT OF THE CONVERSATION.
UM, BUT NO, I, I'VE GOT, I GOT NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
UM, UM, I, I, I WOULD ASK THE, UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT? WELL, THE TIMING, I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN AT IT FOR MONTHS, BUT I GUESS, UH, I'LL DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS SAY IF, IF YOU THINK IT'S GOTTA GO BACK THERE.
THE MAIN THING THEY HAD, THEY WERE DEALING WITH, LIKE HE SAID, WAS THE BUILDING WAS A BIG PART OF WHAT WE HAD TO, BECAUSE AT FIRST IT WASN'T, WE, WE PUT IT IN THERE, BUT WE WEREN'T REALLY THINKING ABOUT IT AT THAT TIME.
BUT THEY EMPHASIZED THEY WANTED THAT BUILDING AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT BUILDING WAS GONNA BE PART OF THIS CONSTRUCTION AND BE IN FRONT WHEN THEY GO TO OPEN UP.
AND THEN THEY WENT ON TO SAY THAT IT'S IMPORTANT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO THEY MADE THEM, THEY WERE MADE SOME, UM, CONDITIONAL THINGS ABOUT THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING BUILDING AND THE, AND THE TYPE OF, UH, SIDING.
SO I, MARY, WITH, WITH THOSE COMMENTS, UM, I WOULD A, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE PLANNER AND OR THE, UH, CITY MANAGER, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT AVAILABLE DATE THIS COULD BE SEEN AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IT, UM, I'M LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR REAL QUICK.
SO IF, AND I WILL CONFER WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR.
I GUESS I, MY QUESTION IS, WOULD WE HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE THIS? YES, WE WOULD.
OH,
IF WE DO NOT NEED TO RE ADVERTISE, I CAN GET IT ON THE MAY 9TH, UH, MAY 9TH, THE MAY 9TH MEETING.
BUT WE CAN'T MEET THE, THE, UH, ZONE, THE PUBLIC, UM, THE LEGAL NOTICE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED, BUT FOR THAT MEETING.
SO, UM, AND I GUESS MAYBE MAYOR, THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
I ASSUME THIS IS, UH, WILL BE ON MONDAY FOR A SECOND READING.
UM, WOULD COUNSEL HAVE THAT INFORMATION PRIOR TO THAT VOTE? UM, I, LAST THING I I, I WOULD WANT TO DO IS CAUSE A TIME DETRIMENT TO, TO THE, UM, TO THE APPLICANT, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TALKING, UH, WHAT ALMOST A MONTH AND A HALF.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY DETRIMENTAL.
UH, PLUS ON TOP OF THAT, UH, WHATEVER DAYS IT'S GONNA TAKE OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT COULD ALMOST TAKE THEM OUT OF THE SEASON ALTOGETHER TO EVEN GET STARTED.
UH, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YES.
SO I CAN HAVE THE ANSWER AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD NEED TO RE ADVERTISE IN TIME FOR MONDAY'S MEETING SO THAT YOU WOULD KNOW WHICH DIRECTION YOU WANTED TO GO AT THAT MEETING, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WERE GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO REMAND IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR WHETHER OR NOT YOU WERE GONNA MAKE A, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD WITH CON CONSIDERING THIS SITE PLAN AS A REVISION, WHICH REQUIRES A SUPER MAJORITY OF APPROVAL.
A AND MAYOR, I GUESS I WOULD ASK COUNCILMAN WEBB SINCE HE DID MAKE THIS MOTION, IF HE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
UH, THAT PROCESS WORKS FOR ME, SIR.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A SECOND READING ANYWAY ON, ON MONDAY, CUZ WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
WE, EVERYONE AGREED TO MOVE IT TO THE SECOND READING.
UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I'D, I'D ASK FOR SOME OTHER INPUT FROM COUNCILORS ON THIS, ON THIS EXTRA DEFINITION HERE ON, ON THAT LAST STATEMENT ABOUT HIGHER FEES AND, AND SLEEPING.
AND, AND I, I, THE ONLY REASON I HAVE THESE QUESTIONS IS BECAUSE IF, SO WE TALK ABOUT SECURITY.
I, I JUST, I DON'T LIKE THE LOOSE LANGUAGE OF THIS BEING PART OF THE LEGISLATION THAT IF AND WHEN, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IF, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF THAT? IF WE HAVE TWO TRUCKERS WHO WANT TO STOP AND SPEND THE NIGHT THERE AND WE CHARGE 'EM A HIGHER FEE THOUGH, IS THAT ENOUGH? LIKE, WHAT'S THE NUMBER OF ENOUGH TO WHERE THEY AGREE TO HIRE 24 HOUR SECURITY THAT'S THERE MONITORING WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE SITE? YOU KNOW, SO, SO WE, WE DON'T, NONE
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OF THAT IS CLEARLY DEFINED IN HERE.SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ENOUGH.
SO IS IT ONE PERSON, IS IT FIVE PEOPLE? DO WE HAVE TO GET CONSISTENTLY 10, 15, 20 PEOPLE WANTING TO SPEND THE NIGHT BEFORE IT'S ENOUGH TO MAKE SENSE TO HIRE SOMEBODY 24 7 TO MONITOR THAT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT AGAINST WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
I'VE JUST, MY, MY CONCERNS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AROUND THE DETAILS.
SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION'S, IDEAS OR THOUGHTS OR CONCERNS AROUND THAT.
AND, AND I THINK ALL COUNCIL SHOULD WANNA KNOW WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION THINKS ABOUT THAT IN THAT LANGUAGE.
IF THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH OR TIGHT ENOUGH OR, OR WHAT THAT NEEDS TO BE.
UM, SO I WOULD HOPE I, I WOULD JUST SAY PUBLICLY, MY HOPE IS THAT THIS DOESN'T NEED TO BE RE-ADVERTISED AND IT CAN GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THAT MAY MEETING SO WE CAN GET SOME, UM, GET PLANNING COMMISSION'S, THOUGHTS ON THAT LANGUAGE AROUND THIS TOO.
SO IT COMES BACK TO COUNSEL IN THE PACKAGE THAT WE NEED IT TO COME BACK TO SO WE'RE NOT AMENDING AND CHANGING THINGS AS IT'S SETTING HERE, AS WE'RE READING IT SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT, UH, WE'RE VOTING ON.
UM, WELL FIRST BRIAN IS THERE, OR WHOEVER, IS THIS ANY, ANY PART OF THE LEGISLATION WHATSOEVER? NO.
THE LEGISLATION SAYS THAT THERE'S NO NO STAYING OVERNIGHT ALREADY, DOESN'T IT? NO, IT DOESN'T.
SO THAT IS NOT A CONDITION OF THE, OF THAT WAS OF APPROVAL.
THE, UM, CUZ IT REALLY WASN'T MUCH OF A DISCUSSION.
UM, SO THAT WAS NEVER, IT'S NOT IN THE LEGISLATION AS FAR AS OVERNIGHT, UH, STAYS BECAUSE IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, UH, OVERNIGHT STAY WAS, I DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IT WAS EVEN CONTEMPLATED.
IT WAS SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE STAYING THERE.
AND SO WE DIDN'T BRING IT UP AND THAT WAS A PART OF THE APPLICATION.
THIS, HOWEVER, IT'S NOT A PART OF THE LEGISLATION.
AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT DO WE EVEN ASK FOR A BUSINESS PLAN FROM BUSINESSES TYPICALLY WHEN WE'RE PUSHING FOR A REZONING? NO.
AND THE ONLY TIME WE EVER ASK FOR IT WOULD BE MORE OF A PHASING PLAN.
WE DO NOT ASK FOR THOSE DO, IT'S NOT REALLY OUR BUSINESSES.
NOW IF THERE ARE ISSUES ABOUT THE BUSINESS THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THERE SURE WE'LL ASK ABOUT THAT.
BUT THEIR BUSINESS PLAN, UM, MY POINT IS THAT, THAT THIS WOULDN'T EVEN BE IN FRONT OF US HAVE WE NOT ASKED FOR IT, WHICH WE NEVER DO.
THIS IS NOT A PART OF THE LEGISLATION AS, AS I RECALL, ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WERE FOCUSED AROUND PEOPLE NOT STAYING THERE.
NOW IF WE CAN, I MEAN, IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS NO OVERNIGHT STAY, WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE THAT A, A CONDITION OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
CAUSE THERE'S STILL A WHOLE NOTHER WELL EXACTLY PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.
WE CAN ALWAYS PUT THAT IN AS, AS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE BASIC FORWARD, I BELIEVE, AND THE REZONING FORWARD AND THEN PUT THAT IN THERE IS WHETHER WE WOULD OR WOULD NOT ALLOW IT, WHICHEVER ANYBODY WANTS TO GO WITH AT THAT POINT.
UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SUCH A GREAT IDEA PERSONALLY, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE APPLICANT'S BEEN HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW AND, UM, UH, I'M SURE IT CAN, I'M SURE IT'S QUITE FRUSTRATING FOR HIM.
AND, AND AGAIN, THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW WOULDN'T EVEN BE ASKED IF THIS WASN'T IN FRONT OF US, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEVER ASKED FOR.
UM, I I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD MONDAY NIGHT AND HAVE A VOTE ON IT.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT THOSE DETAILS INTO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHEN THAT COMES FORWARD BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY GO, IF THAT'S, IF I'M ACCURATE IN THE PROCESS.
I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS ASKED FOR OR ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION ON BUSINESS OPERATIONAL HOURS.
I CAN REMEMBER MANY, MANY TIMES WE TELL ABOUT BUSINESSES AND WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE GONNA BE ON OUTSIDE AND IS IT GONNA AFFECT THE NEIGHBOR? WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS SURE.
ALL THE TIME REGARDING THAT'S CORRECT.
OPERATIONAL PLANS OF BUSINESSES.
SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS OUT OF LINE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, OR SOMETHING'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN THAT COUNCIL DOESN'T, DOESN'T WANT TO HAPPEN.
I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY A, A, A FAIR DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO IT'S COUNCIL'S DISCRETION ON, ON, ON WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WITH THIS, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD BE UP FOR A SECOND READING AND, UH, AT THAT TIME YOU CAN VOTE HOW YOU WANT TO VOTE TO MOVE IT FORWARD OR BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
RICHARD AARON, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I, I HEARD SOMETHING IN YOUR DIALOGUE WITH COUNCILMAN OTO THAT, UM, PER MY EARS A BIT.
SO THE APPLICATION, UM, THAT CAME IN, UM, WAS CLEAR THERE WAS NOT GOING TO BE ANY, UM, OVERNIGHT, UM, RESTING, SLEEPING, UH, CABIN.
UH, AM I CORRECT IN THAT? YES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T RECALL IF IT, IT, THE APPLICATION SPECIFICALLY SAID NO OVERNIGHT PARKING, BUT AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION DURING, OR EXCUSE ME, NO OVERNIGHT SLEEPING.
BUT AS THE DISCUSSION OCCURRED DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WAS CLEAR THAT THAT WAS NOT THE BUSINESS INTENT.
THAT THIS WAS, THAT THE, UH, THAT THE INTENT WAS THE
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TRUCK DRIVER PARKS THE VEHICLE THERE AND THEN UBERS OR GETS A RIDE SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SLEEPS EITHER HOME OR AT A HOTEL.SO THAT BRINGS ME UP TO A A SECOND QUESTION.
UM, BEING THE CITY PLANNER AND HAVING LOOKED, UH, LOOKED THROUGH OUR IFIED ORDINANCES, DO WE HAVE CURRENTLY ANYTHING IN OUR ORDINANCES THAT PROHIBITS OVERNIGHT SLEEPING, UH, ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHIN, UH, UH, IN COMMERCIAL TRUCKS? UM, SO WE HAVE ORDINANCES PROHIBITING, UM, THE, UH, A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SEMI TRUCKS IN CERTAIN, LIKE WITH CERTAIN TYPES OF, UM, COMMERCIAL USES, HOTELS, RESTAURANTS.
UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THEM THAT WAS, THAT WERE CODIFIED TO DISCOURAGE, UM, HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS AND THE SUCH OF BASICALLY BEING DE FACTO TRUCK STOPS.
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW THE, UH, THE, THE CODE AGAIN, BUT NOTHING JUMPS OUT AT ME THAT PROHIBITS OVERNIGHT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND, AND I, AND I, AND AGAIN, I I LISTED SEVERAL OF OUR, OUR LARGE COMMERCIAL ENTITIES HERE IN TOWN, UH, YOU KNOW, NORTH PARK PM A T UH, EVEN BEARS.
UM, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH THERE AND YOU MAY SEE ONE OR TWO.
IT'S NOT A TRUCK STOP SITUATION.
UM, AND MY OPINION, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING THOSE INDIVIDUALS AT A SAFE GATED LOCATION, UH, AND SET UP AT AN OPEN PARKING LOT WHERE THERE IS NOT SECURITY.
MOST OF THE TIME THOSE LIGHTS WILL GO OFF, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO REAL SUPERVISION.
UM, BUT IF DURING THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DISCUSSION THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WAS NO OVERNIGHT, UM, STAY, I, I, I THINK IT'S THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO CONTINUE THAT NOW.
UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM CONTINUING COUNCILMAN WEBB'S, UM, SUGGESTION OF MOVING THAT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT.
AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO HAVE A, UH, A FURTHER CONVERSATION AS FAR AS OUR QUANTIFIED ORDINANCES.
UM, BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, UM, FROM MY READING OF THEM, WHEN WE DEALT WITH COMMERCIAL TRUCK PARKING, UM, SEVERAL YEARS BACK ON, ON THIS COUNCIL, UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL TRUCK, UM, YOU KNOW, OPERATORS FROM SLEEPING IN THEIR CABS IS, UH, MAIN THOROUGHFARES IN BLOCKING A PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, UH, TYPE AREAS.
UM, WHEN IT CAME TO PR, PUBLIC PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY IF IT WAS ON CITY PROPERTY, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY.
UM, SO THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE READINGS.
BUT, UM, AARON, I, I WOULD, UH, DEFINITELY, UH, LIKE TO SEE THAT RESEARCH, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR FURTHER CONVERSATION FOR THIS COUNCIL.
UM, BUT, UM, BUT MAYOR, THAT, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.
I BELIEVE YOUR, YOUR CONCERNS IS ALSO THE SLEEPING OVER THE OVERNIGHT, UH, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, UH, OVER THE PAST WEEKS.
IF THAT'S NOT, IF THAT'S NOT PART OF IT, I, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK, LIKE I SAID, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH EVEN THE EXPANDED SITE.
YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK WHAT WE'VE ALL, IF THE, IF THE, IF THE COUNCIL'S DECISION IS THAT ROLLO TRUCK STOPS, THEN THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD BECAUSE FOR A LONG TIME THAT HASN'T BEEN ACCEPTABLE.
SO WHAT MADE IT PALPABLE IS THAT NOBODY WAS STAYING TONIGHT.
THEY WERE PARKING, THEY WERE LEAVING OFFSITE.
SO AS LONG AS THAT'S STILL THE BUSINESS PLAN, THAT IS THE PLAN, I THINK THE EXPANDED SIDE IS BETTER, NOT WORSE, BUT IT'S THE TRUCK STOP ASPECT OF PEOPLE PULLING IN, PARKING, STAYING.
IT'S, AND I, AND I THINK WHAT'S DIFFERENT, AND, AND AGAIN, I, I DON'T WANNA GET OFF TOPIC, BUT SINCE IT'S, IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S GERMANE TO THE CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR WHEN THIS COUNCIL APPROVED A TRUCK STOP LOCATION ACROSS THE STREET, UM, THAT IS A 24 HOUR FACILITY THAT, UM, UM, THAT DOES HAVE MAINTENANCE AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, GAS AND FUEL AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, SO A AGAIN, UM, TO THAT POINT, UH, OF LOOKING AT BUSINESS MODELS, I THINK THOSE WERE TWO VERY DISTINCT, UH, AND DIFFERENT, UM, BUSINESS MODELS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THIS COUNCIL.
UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, UH, AGAIN, MAYOR, TO YOUR POINT, I I, IF IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THERE WAS NO ONSITE, UM, UH, OVERNIGHT STAY, UM, I BELIEVE THAT ALLEVIATES ALL OF THE CONCERN.
AND, AND, AND WE TAKE THIS TO A, TO A VOTE ON MONDAY.
UM, BUT IF WHAT WAS STATED IN THIS LETTER ON APRIL 15TH THAT NOW THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION THAT THAT MAY BE, I DO BELIEVE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE WHAT'S DIFFERENT BETWEEN THIS MODEL AND THE MODEL THAT'S GONNA CROSS THE STREET, UM, IS THE BUSINESS PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US IS THE 24 HOUR, UH, SITE, THE 24 HOUR SECURITY, YOU KNOW, THE, AND, AND WHAT'S BEING DONE ON THOSE PROPERTIES ARE DIFFERENT.
WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT, AARON? I WOULD, IF I COULD ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AS I GO BACK TO OUR CONVERSATIONS.
UM, SO THE A, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED,
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UM, I HAD ASKED TOM, THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMMING IS GONNA GO ON IN THIS BUILDING? ARE THERE SHOWER FACILITIES? ARE THERE FACILITIES FOR THE, FOR THE DRIVERS IF THEY'RE THERE.AND THAT'S WHEN IT CAME BACK THAT NO DRIVERS WOULD BE STAYING HERE.
UM, AND SO THIS BUILDING IS NOT SET, OR THE, THE USE OF THIS BUILDING AS IT'S CURRENTLY ENVISIONED, IS NOT SET UP FOR PROVIDING THOSE KIND OF, OF SERVICES FOR THE, UH, FOR AN OVERNIGHT STAY BY, BY DESIGN.
UM, IF IF THAT'S NOW CHANGING, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
NOW, VANDALIA, UH, RECENTLY APPROVED SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS, UM, BUT WITH STIPULATIONS OF NO, NO, UH, NO SHOWER FACILITIES, AND I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN OVERNIGHT PARKING LOT THAT, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY CON THAT IS BEING CONTEMPLATED FOR HERE.
IT'S NOT NECESSAR, IT'S NOT INTENDED FOR, UH, OVERNIGHT STAY OF THE DRIVER IN THE CAB.
IT'S BASICALLY A RENTAL SPACE.
I THINK THE ISSUE HERE IS, NOW AS WE, AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS, I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE COUNCILORS THAT AREN'T HERE TONIGHT, SHOULD BE HERE ON, UH, ON MONDAY.
BUT MOVING FORWARD THE WAY IT IS WITH THE SITE PLAN CHANGE, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE SIX VOTES TO PASS.
IF IT GOES BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER REDO IT, AND PLANNING COMMISSION AGREES WITH A BIGGER SITE PLAN COMES BACK ONLY REGARDS FIVE.
I'M JUST PUTTING OUT THERE, IS THAT BENEFICIAL TO ONLY NEED FIVE VOTES FOR THE APPLICANT OR, OR MOVING FORWARD WITH SIX.
SO I'M, I'M JUST PUTTING OUT THERE, BUT WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND SEE WHERE WE THINK IT MIGHT GO ONCE WE HAVE THE MEETING ON MONDAY.
I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING FOR MAYOR, IF I MAY, IS THAT SOMETHING FOR US TO PONDER ON BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AARON AND, AND STAFF HAS SOME INFORMATION TO GET BACK TO US BY THEN.
UM, BUT UH, YEAH, I SAY THAT'S SOMETHING WE CONSIDER ON MONDAY DAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? CAN I SAY SOMETHING? YES.
OBVIOUSLY I STIRRED UP, UH, SOME CONVERSATION HERE, AND I PUT THAT AT THE END OF MY LETTER BECAUSE I'M GOING ON, BUT YOU GET WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS HEARING THE OTHER DAY WITH THE QUESTIONS.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE HAD ALL THESE QUESTIONS WHEN WE WERE COMING TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO MY POINT WAS WE WERE FLEXIBLE AT OUR END TO MAKE A GOOD BUSINESS PLAN.
WE ORIGINALLY WERE PLANNING TO HAVE PEOPLE OUT.
IF YOU GUYS SAY YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE STAYING THERE, THEN WE WON'T DO THAT.
BUT IN ORDER FOR SOMEBODY TO STAY THERE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY WORKING.
WE'RE NOT GONNA JUST LET THEM COME IN AND OUT OR STAY THERE WHILE THERE'S NOBODY, UH, MANNING THE PLACE.
BUT IF YOU'RE, IF THAT'S WHAT'S HOLDING YOU GUYS UP FROM MOVING FORWARD, THEN I, I PUT THAT IN THERE.
THAT'S NOT, TO ME IT WAS JUST, JUST LIKE WHEN YOU ALLOWED US TO PUT THE TRUCKS MORE TRUCKS, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
UM, IF I, IF PEOPLE COMPLAIN THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, I GOT A BED SITTING RIGHT HERE.
WHY DO I HAVE TO GO TO A HOTEL AND PAY FOR A TAXI? OKAY, YOU CAN STAY HERE, BUT HERE ARE THE RULES, OKAY? NOBODY ELSE IS COMING IN AND OUT TO VISIT YOU.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING HERE FOR YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, SHOWERS, BATHROOMS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND, UM, AND, AND THOSE ARE THE RULES.
IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT, THEN, THEN, THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA STAY THERE.
BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT THAT TO EVEN BE AN OPTION, THEN WE'LL STICK WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT, YEAH, I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO THINK THAT, LET YOU GUYS THINK WE WERE TRYING TO SLIP SOMETHING IN ON YOU AFTER WE MADE IT.
THE ONE WAY I WAS READING THAT FROM YOU GUYS, THERE ARE SOME OF YOU GUYS IN THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD.
AND, AND MAYOR, IF I UNDERSTAND, THAT COULD BE A CONDITION THAT THIS COUNCIL COULD ADD ON MONDAY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE OVERALL PLAINTIFF, IF I'M CORRECT.
IT'D BE AN AMENDMENT TO ADD THAT ADDITIONAL CONDITION AND THEN WHICH WOULD STILL NEED THE, THE, THE, THE, THE VOTES NEEDED TO PASS IT ALL.
AND THERE WOULD'VE TO BE SOME LANGUAGE THAT IT'S ADOPTION OF A, A REVISED SITE PLAN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND AS AARON INDICATED, IT WOULD REQUIRE SIX VOTES BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO THAT WOULD BE FURTHER CONSIDERATION THAT WE'D HAVE ON MONDAY.
UM, I THINK IT, IT, SO I, I MEAN, I'M JUST LETTING EVERYONE KNOW THAT I HOPE THERE WOULD BE SOME DISCUSSION AROUND THAT BEFORE IT WAS AROUND WHAT THE, WHAT THE, UM, CONSEQUENCES OF THAT COULD BE IF IT DOESN'T GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, IF JUST THE VOTE'S CALLED AND THERE'S, AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH.
SO I DON'T WANT TO ADD ANY MORE OF A DETRIMENT TO THE, TO THE APPLICATION THAN THE NECESSARY FIVE VOTES IS ALWAYS EASIER TO GET THAN SIX.
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JUST, OH, SORRY.NO, MY BIG CONCERN WAS, AS I SAID, MY FRIENDS LIVE HERE LOCAL, WAS IF THEY HAVE TO LEAVE OUT AT 4:00 AM IN THE MORNING AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE SOMEBODY THERE THAT'S REALLY GONNA THROW THEIR, THEIR SCHEDULE OFF, THAT WAS MY MAJOR CONCERN, WAS YOUR HOURS FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT WAS MORE MY CONCERN.
JUST BECAUSE, AS I SAID, I HAVE A COUPLE OF FRIENDS AND THEY HAVE A HARD TIME PARKING PLACES WHO LIVE HERE IN HUBER, AND I THOUGHT, THIS IS PERFECT.
WELL, IT'S NOT PERFECT IF, SAY THEY PULL IN AT 2:00 AM IN THE MORNING AND YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO, THEY GET TO STAY WITH THEIR FAMILY FOR A COUPLE WEEKS, BUT THEY PULL IN 2:00 AM IN THE MORNING OR VICE VERSA, THEY'RE HERE AND THEY HAVE TO LEAVE OUT THERE AT 4:00 AM TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
THAT WAS MY BIG CONCERN, WAS YOUR HOURS OF PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD THE POSSIBILITY OF LOOKING AT SOME TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY HAVE A RESERVATION WITH YOU AND THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF SWIPE CAR TO GET IN AND OUT OF YOUR GATE TO, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, WE'RE LEAVING PUNCH YEAH.
KEYPAD SOMETHING KIND OF LIKE YOU WHITTED A STORAGE UNIT, SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE.
SO YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LEAVING, THEY CAN GET IN AND OUT.
I'M JUST, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS THROWING OUT
YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT INCLINED TO GO THAT ROUTE.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE OUT THAT KIND OF SECURITY INFORMATION TO JUST SOMEBODY PASSING THROUGH.
UH, THAT'S, THAT, THAT WOULD BE TOO, TOO, TOO MUCH.
I WOULD WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE SITE THAT THAT'S GONNA CONTROL THE, THE SITUATION.
SO, UM, AND, AND LET ME JUST ADD ONE MORE THING, UH, MR. MAYOR, UH, BUT AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS THING MOVE FORWARD THAT WE'VE BEEN AT THIS A WHILE, I DON'T WANT TO RISK THIS THING GOING DOWN BECAUSE I WANTED TO PUSH TO HAVE YOU GUYS GIVE A VOTE IF YOU WANTED TO GO BACK TO PLANNING, SEND IT BACK TO PLANNING, IF IT MAKES OUR ODDS BETTER THAT THIS THING'S GONNA MOVE FORWARD.
WELL, SO, SO WHAT, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO, BECAUSE THE, SO WE ALL, WE ALL LIKE, WELL, THE, THE FIVE THAT ARE HERE SEEM TO LIKE THE EXPANDED SITE PLAN.
I THINK THE EXPANDED SITE PLAN IS BETTER THAN WORSE.
THE ISSUE IS IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
WHICH THEN REQUIRES A SUPER MAJORITY, WHICH IS SIX OF THE EIGHT COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VOTE.
IF IT GOES BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY LIKE THE EXTENDED SITE PLAN, AND THEN THEY VOTE TO APPROVE THAT WHEN IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL, IT ONLY REQUIRES FIVE.
AS A SIMPLE MAJORITY, AS ANY BASIC LEGISLATION LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN DISCUSSION ON MONDAY ABOUT ALL OF THIS BEFORE THE VOTE TO DECIDE IF IT SHOULD GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN COME BACK BEFORE NOBODY SAYS ANYTHING.
AND I ASKED TONY TO CALL THE ROLL AND THERE'S ONLY FIVE VOTES, WE NEED SIX, AND THEN IT'S WHOOPS.
SO I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALL OPEN ABOUT THAT AND UNDERSTAND THE DISCUSSION THAT PROBABLY SHOULD TAKE PLACE ON MONDAY BEFORE ANY VOTE IS CALLED.
AND SO, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU RIGHT, I DON'T NEED, YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION TODAY ON THAT.
BECAUSE IT'S, WE CAN MAKE THE DECISION WITHOUT KILLING IT ON MONDAY.
BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE ON MONDAY'S MEETING AS A SECOND READING ANYWAY, BECAUSE THE LAST MEETING, WE MOVED IT TO A SECOND READING.
WHICH BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE WORK SESSION TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
PRIOR TO THE SECOND READING, BUT THE SECOND READING'S ALREADY SCHEDULED.
SO THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN PRIOR TO THAT VOTE.
A MOTION CAN BE MADE BY ANY COUNCIL BURN WITHOUT A MAJORITY OF OBJECTION.
IT CAN GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW, TO COME BACK WHERE ONLY FIVE VOTES IS REQUIRED, NOT SIX.
IF A VOTE IS CALLED ON MONDAY, THE WAY IT SITS, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE SIX VOTES.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE RISK OF BAIL, BUT SO, SO I THINK KNOWING THAT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE MATTER REALLY COMES DOWN TO CAN WE DO THIS WITHOUT RE-ADVERTISING SO WE CAN DEAL WITH IT IN MAY, NOT AT A LATER DATE.
SO I MAY, I HOPE IT DOES, I KNOW IT MIGHT NOT SEEM THIS WAY, BUT I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU.
I'M NOT TRYING TO, I'M NOT TRYING TO HURT YOU.
I, I DON'T THINK YOU, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO HURT ME.
SO YES, KATE, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
MY ONLY CONCERN WAS THE COMINGS AND GOINGS, AND IF THERE'S A LEGAL ACTIVITY, HOW CAN WE GET IN THERE AND HOW CAN WE, LIKE THE, THAT WAS MY CONCERN ABOUT THE, IT NEVER SEEMED LIKE A SOLID PLAN.
ALL YOU GUYS HAVE CHANGED IT AND MOVED IT, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR THE BUSINESS PLAN.
AND THEN, OH, NOW THEY CAN STAY IF THEY NEED, HAVE MORE REVENUES.
I'M VERY LEERY OF ALL THAT, ALL THE CHANGING.
WE COULD GO BACK TO THE OTHER, MAKING THEM LEAVE.
SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YEP.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE SECOND READING SCHEDULED.
HOPEFULLY LOTS OF DISCUSSION TO MAKE THE DECISION ON, ON HOW WE MOVE
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THAT FORWARD, SO SURE.APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AGAIN.
[ Case RZ 23-03 - Wright Way Ohio, LLC - Rezoning - North Of 8101 Old Troy Pike]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS CASE RZ 23 DASH OH THREE FOR RIGHT, RIGHT WAY, OHIO LLC REZONING OF NORTH OF 81JUST NORTH OF 81 0 1 IN A BIG OPEN FIELD, RIGHT, UH, ON OLD TROY PIKE.
UH, SO IT'S 67.3 ACRES, YOU KNOW, THIS SITE, UH, WE OWNED IT AND THEN WE SOLD IT.
UH, THE EXISTING LAND USE RIGHT NOW IS JUST FOLLOW THE LAND.
SO THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING APPROVAL TO REZONE, TO AGRICULTURAL, DEVELOP A, UH, CAMPGROUND AND PRIVATE, UH, RECREATIONAL USES.
SO IT IS A SPECIAL USE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, WHICH WILL REQUIRE, UH, SUBSEQUENT APPROVAL FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, AFTER, IF THIS, UH, REZONING MOVES FORWARD, UH, HERE IS THE SITE.
IT'S BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, JUST NORTH OF CAMPING WORLD AND THEIR EXPANDED AREA.
UH, THERE'S ONLY ONE PUBLIC ROAD, UH, TO THIS SITE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING INDUSTRIAL TO THE WEST, AGRICULTURAL TO THE WEST.
UH, BASICALLY PLANNED COMMERCIAL, UM, SURROUNDING, SURROUNDING IT.
SO THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE SITE PLAN.
THE, UH, MANAGEMENTS WOULD BE FROM THE NORTH.
UH, THERE'S ALSO OTHER ACTIVITIES SUCH AS, UM, UH, OTHER AMENITIES, PLAYGROUNDS, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THIS SITE'S PRETTY, UH, CHALLENGED.
THERE'S A BIG TOPOGRAPHY CHANGE, UH, SLOPES ABOUT 50 FEET, UH, EAST TO WEST.
ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE SITE IS, UH, WETLANDS OR SOME OTHER PROTECTED AREA.
WE ALSO THINK THERE IS SHALLOW BEDROCK, WHICH IS WHY THE SHOPPING CENTER NEVER EXPANDED BACK TO THIS, TO THIS AREA.
SO WE'VE HAD VERY LITTLE U UH, INTEREST IN THIS SITE.
UM, SO, UH, THE REZONING ANALYSIS, UH, THE, IT, IT'S REALLY THE, THE CODE SAYS IT'S WHENEVER IT'S IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST OR NECESSITY OR CONVENIENCE, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY BY ORDINANCE, UH, REZONE THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO IT IS CONFORMING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS A GROW AND ENHANCED CHARACTER AREA.
ONE OF THE, UH, THE APPROPRIATE LAND USES INCLUDE CON, UH, CONSERVATION OR RECREATION, OR LOW DENSITY, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, STAFF FEELS AT THE REZONING, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, THERE ARE AGRICULTURALLY ZONE LANDS TO THE WEST.
THERE'S REALLY NO DOWNSIDE IN REZONING THIS LAND TO AGRICULTURE.
IT'S LESS INTENSE THAN WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS.
UH, AND THEN THE DETAILS OF THE SITE WOULD BE REVIEWED IN THE FUTURE.
UH, AS PART OF THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED FIVE TO ZERO TO RECOMMEND A ZONING MAP.
UH, AMENDMENT STAFFER RECOMMENDS THAT THE COUNCIL MOVE THIS ITEM TO FIRST READING AND THEN SUBSEQUENT APPROVAL.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO KNOW THAT THE OWNER IS HERE, SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO HEAR, UH, FROM HIM ABOUT PLANS OR ANY DETAILS, UM, OF WHAT HIS PLANS ARE THERE, I THINK THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE APPROPRIATE.
UH, BUT OFF THE, OFF THE CUFF, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY.
UM, OR, OR THE DEVELOPER, EITHER, WHEN WOULD THIS BE STARTED SLASH WHEN DO YOU THINK OF THE COMPLETION AND HOW MANY, I, I DIDN'T COUNT THE CAMPING SPOTS, BUT WOULD THEY BE RV 10? CAN YOU KIND OF BREAK THAT DOWN A LITTLE? SO I WILL TURN THAT OVER TO THE, UH, APPLICANT.
WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, I, WE HAD THE PROPERTY AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO CLEAR IT OFF TO SEE WHERE THE BEDROCK WAS.
SO IT'S IN THE DESIGN STAGES YET.
UH, RIGHT NOW ALL WE'RE DOING IS TRYING TO CLEAR SOME OF THE HONEYSUCKLE AND BRUSH AND THINGS OFF THAT'S DOWN THERE.
AND ONCE WE CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BETTER, WE ARE ALSO IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH, UH, A COUPLE OTHER FOLKS TO EXPAND OUR FOOTPRINT DOWN THERE.
HOPEFULLY I WILL KNOW THOSE DETAILS WITHIN NEXT MONTH OR SO.
AND THEN I CAN SIT DOWN AND START REALLY FIRMING UP A PLAN.
UM, MY, UH, GOAL WAS KIND OF TO HAVE ABOUT 300 SITES THERE.
UM, PROBABLY 20 CABINS, MAYBE 20 OR 30 IMETER SPOTS, AND MAYBE 250, UH, RV CAMPER SPOTS.
MUCH AGAIN, IT'S WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY WANT TO DO IS BUILD ABOUT HALF OF IT AND SEE IF IT FILLS UP AND GOES.
AND IF IT DOES, THEN WE'LL JUST KEEP EXPANDING.
I, I LOOK FOR THIS THING PROBABLY TO BE FIVE YEARS BEFORE IT'S COMPLETELY BUILT OUT.
UM, I WAS HOPING TO OPEN THIS THING IN THE, UH, SPRING OF 2025, BUT I DON'T KNOW YET UNTIL I GET ALL OF MY DUCKS IN A ROW.
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ON WHETHER A COUPLE OF THESE OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY ARE GONNA FALL IN PLACE.UM, UH, THE ONLY THING I THINK WE'LL DO THIS YEAR, OBVIOUSLY, IF I CAN GET A DESIGN DONE, UH, I'D LIKE TO BUILD A MAINTENANCE BUILDING DOWN THERE SOMEPLACE TO JUMP OFF FROM TO START TO BUILD THIS THING.
AND MAYBE EVEN SOME, UH, UH, ROADS, OBVIOUSLY, UH, IN TALKING TO THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, EVERYTHING'S GOTTA GO BACK TO THEM.
I, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL I'VE GOTTA DESIGN AND I SAY, HERE'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO, AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE.
UH, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, UH, UH, THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THIS FROM YOUR, UH, SIDE, THAT THIS COULD BE A REALLY NEAT THING FOR THE CITY.
SO, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, IT'S JUST KIND OF A REAL QUICK SYNOPSIS.
SO, REAL QUICK, THE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES THAT YOU'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT, IF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS WHERE THAT DOESN'T GO THROUGH AND IT'S JUST THIS SITE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? IS THIS SITE WE'RE GONNA MOVE AHEAD? YES.
IS THIS STILL GONNA MOVE AHEAD REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER PROPERTY? THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CALL A REALLY GREAT, EXCELLENT SITE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH IT.
BUT IF I CAN GET THOSE OTHER TWO PIECES, THEN IT BECOMES ALMOST A PERFECT SITE.
UH, WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, TERRY HUBER.
SHE HAS 24 ACRES JUST NORTH OF US.
UH, I'VE ACTUALLY, UH, SUBMITTED AN OFFER AND THEY WOULD TOLD ME THAT I WOULD KNOW BY THE MIDDLE OF MAY, SHE'S GONNA ACCEPT IT.
NOW, THAT AREA UP THERE, THE REASON IT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED IS IT'S GOT A LOT OF TRAIN TRAIN ISSUES UP THERE.
THERE'S A DEEP RAVINE CREEKS AND THINGS RUNNING THROUGH IT, BUT IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO HAVE NATURE TRAILS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
MAYBE PUT A FEW CABINS UP THERE.
I'M ALSO IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THAT, WITH, UH, LOWE'S.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN, I CAN'T.
IT'S, IF YOU GO RIGHT DOWN CHARLES GATE, THERE'S THREE ACRES YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY USELESS TO THEM.
THEY'VE ACTUALLY ENCROACHED THEIR PARKING LOT ON ABOUT A QUARTER ACRE OF MY PROPERTY, RIGHT WHERE THAT DARK LID RHS, THOSE TWO LID LINES INTERSECT, RIGHT, RIGHT IN THERE.
AND THAT EASEMENT IN THERE, BECAUSE OF THE DIFFICULTY OF THE TERRAIN, IT'S NOT VERY USABLE.
SO I'M HOPING TO ACTUALLY DO AWAY WITH THAT EASEMENT, GIVE THEM BACK THEIR PARTS OF THE PARKING LOT, IF THEY'LL SELL ME FOR A REASONABLE PRICE, UH, THOSE THREE ACRES.
THE OTHER THING TOO IS, IS THAT AREA IS JUST KIND OF A DRAINAGE AREA FOR THEM.
A LOT OF THIS AREA HAS JUST KIND OF HAPPENED.
IT'S NOT BEEN PLANNED AS LIKE, AS WELL AS IT SHOULD BE.
UH, I, I, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO IN AND, AND DO SOME THINGS TO, TO, UH, STRAIGHTEN UP SOME OF THE DRAINAGE PATTERNS.
UH, THERE MIGHT BE A POTENTIAL TO PUT A, A, A LITTLE POND THERE, DETENTION BASIN, CLEAN UP SOME OF THAT AREA THAT WE COULD USE FOR CAMPSITES AGAIN, UNTIL I KNOW I CAN'T DO THE DESIGN.
SO WE'RE KIND OF, YES, I'VE TALKED TO A RICK KELLY AT THEIR LAND DEVELOPMENT THING, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE I THINK THEY WANT TO NOT HAVE GO TO A HASSLE OVER THE PART OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE PLAN.
UM, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO CAMPING WORLD YET.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRETTY THRILLED ABOUT THIS.
BUT I WANTED TO GET MY KIND OF DUCKS IN A ROW WITH THE DESIGN AND EVERYTHING BEFORE I GO AND START REACHING OUT TO THEM.
ANYTHING THAT HELPS CAMPING, WORLD CELL CAMPERS, I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE HAPPIER.
AND, UH, THEY ARE READY FOR YOU TO APPROACH THEM.
THAT'S WHY EARLIER WHEN YOU SAID, FOLKS, I, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, DID YOU WANT TO CONFIRM FOLKS OR PARTNERS? UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, NO, I, I THINK THERE'S A, UM, UH, FROM WHAT I HEARD AND, AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT I SEE MOVING, THERE'S A, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR A LOT OF PARTNERSHIP, IS WHAT I'M GONNA CALL IT AT DISLOCATION ON YOUR BEHALF.
UM, EVEN WITH CAMPING, WE'RE ON SOME OF THE OTHER ENTITIES.
SO I, I'M SUPER EXCITED TO, TO SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD AND, AND WHAT THE POTENTIAL COULD BE, UH, AND WILL BE MOVING FORWARD.
SO, UH, UH, MAYOR, WITH THAT SAID, I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM WITH MOVING THIS ON MONDAY, AND I BELIEVE IT'S STAFFED FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TAKING ACTION ON MONDAY.
IS THAT CORRECT, AARON? JUST THE FIRST READING.
THEY'LL BE A PUBLIC, THEY'LL ACTUALLY A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY.
ALL I, CAUSE I, I, I THOUGHT ID SEEN IN YOUR SLIDE THAT YOU WAS ASKING US TO MAKE MOVEMENT ON.
AN I'M NOT A CAMPER, I'M SORRY.
SO THESE MIGHT BE IGNORANT QUESTIONS.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT, PEOPLE WOULD JUST LIKE PARK THEIR RVS THERE FOR LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, PERMANENTLY.
I MEAN, I HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE A CAMPER AND THEY LEAVE IT AT THE SAME PLACE YEAR ROUND AND
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GO THERE.OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO KIND OF BE IN AND OUT? WELL, I THINK OUR INTENTION IS, IS, UH, WELL, WE'RE OPEN.
THEY CAN COME AND GO, UH, I'M LOOKING TO THIS THING TO BE OPEN LIKE EIGHT MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, FOUR MONTHS, IT'S JUST GONNA BE SHUT DOWN.
THERE'S ALWAYS THAT IDEA THAT IF YOU ALLOW PEOPLE TO STAY THERE YEAR ROUND, IT BECOMES A TRAILER PARK.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT, WHAT THE INTENTION OF THIS IS.
WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA END UP GETTING A FRANCHISE WITH JELLYSTONE.
I TRIED WITH K O A, BUT THEY GOT A PLACE IN BROOKVILLE, AND I COULDN'T MAKE A DEAL WITH THEM TO MAKE IT A K AWAY.
BUT, UH, THIS THING'S GONNA BE DONE AS A FAMILY KIND OF THING.
THERE'S GONNA BE A HUGE SWIMMING POOL THERE.
YOU'VE GOT A, A POTENTIAL TO PUT A PIER IN THERE AND DO FISHING, YOU KNOW, CATCH A RELEASE, AND IT'S GONNA BE A COOL THING.
BUT, UH, THE, THE, AND I THINK THERE'LL ACTUALLY BE PEOPLE IN HEIGHTS THAT, UH, WILL WANT TO USE THIS AS A RECREATIONAL PLACE THAT THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE A CAMPER, EVEN THOUGH THEY LIVE THREE MILES AWAY, WILL COME OVER HERE, PARK THEIR CAMPER THERE, COME OVER ON THE WEEKENDS, AND PLAY IN THE POOL AND GO WALKING AND DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT WE MAY WORK OUT A DEAL WHERE, SAY WE CLOSE NOVEMBER THE FIRST, AND YOU'VE GOT A CAMPER THERE.
YOU CAN LEAVE YOUR CAMPER ON SITE FOR WHEN WE OPEN NEXT YEAR.
BUT FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME, UH, YOU CAN'T COME AND GO.
ELECTRIC WATER WILL BE SHUT OFF TO YOUR PLACE.
NOW, IF YOU HAVE A, A PLAN IN DECEMBER THAT YOU'RE GONNA GO TO THE GRAND CANYON, WE CAN LET YOU IN, GET YOUR CAMPER AND GO.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT WHAT WE WON'T WANT IS SOMEBODY THAT ACTUALLY STAYS HERE YEAR ROUND.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ACTIVE CAMPSITE NOVEMBER TO EXACTLY APRIL, APRIL 1ST, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S JUST LIKE MY FRIENDS, AND THEY HAVE IT UP IN BRADFORD AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY GO UP THE LAST WEEKEND OF OCTOBER AND LOCK UP FOR THE WINTER, AND THEN THEY GO BACK OUT ABOUT THIS TIME OF YEAR AND START TO GET THINGS.
SO YEAH, I WASN'T LOOKING FOR PEOPLE LIVING THERE.
I WAS JUST WONDERING FOR OUR PLANNING, IF IT WAS GONNA BE MORE IN AND OUT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY MOVING THE RVS WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS, ROADS, THAT KIND OF STUFF, VERSUS SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO RENT YOUR ROUND THERE, LEAVE THEIR RV THERE.
I MEAN, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION.
I WISH I COULD TELL YOU, BUT I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, WE ARE AT THE CROSSROADS OF AMERICA, SO I'M ASSUMING THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING FROM MICHIGAN TO FLORIDA THAT MAY WANT TO CAMP HERE.
UH, YOU HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HERE.
YOU HAVE, UH, WRIGHT PATTERSON, AIR FORCE BEACH MUSEUM, YOU HAVE THE ROSE.
I THINK THERE'S A HUGE THING THAT PEOPLE WANNA COME IN TO SEE A CONCERT AND WANNA STAY FOR FOUR OR FIVE DAYS OR WHATEVER FOR THE WEEKEND AND STUFF.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THE CABINS WILL DO VERSUS THE CAMPSITE.
I MAY END UP WITH, UH, 10 CABINS.
I I, IT'S ALL KIND OF, YOU KIND OF BUILD IT AND THEN IF IT, WHAT WORKS, YOU SEE WHAT'S WORKING, YOU TRY TO ADD ONTO IT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I SAID WE'LL PROBABLY TRY TO BUILD HALF OF IT AND THEN DO THE OTHER HALF ONCE I GOT IT FIGURED OUT.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS WITH OUR FUTURE PLANNING OF TRAFFIC ON OLD TROY, IF IT'S A LOT OF COME AND GO, OR IF IT'S JUST A LOT OF, HEY, WE'RE GONNA STAY, KEEP OUR RVS THERE YEAR ROUND.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF LOOKING AT LONG TERM, HOW THAT WAS ALL GONNA WORK OUT.
WELL, OUR INTENTION IS TO COME DOWN CHARLES GATE, AND THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO MY BIGGEST CONCERNS ARE SAFETY AND SECURITY.
UM, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PUT GATES AND FENCES AND CAMERAS AND EVERYTHING AROUND THIS PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY CAN COME EASILY OFF OF SOMEWHERE OTHER PROPERTY, BECAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY SURROUNDED, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT WILDCAT AND YOU'VE GOT THE SHOPPING CENTER AND LOWE'S RIGHT UP THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE TWO THINGS THAT ARE MOST CONCERNING TO ME, IS SECURITY AND SAFETY.
THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE THAT COMES OUT THERE BY, UH, UH, CAMPING, UH, WORLD.
WHEN THE THING GETS FILLED UP, WE MAY USE THAT AS AN EXIT ONLY TO HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC.
UH, BUT INITIALLY, I THINK WHEN WE START TALKING TO CAMPING WORLD, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO COME IN AND OUT THAT WAY.
HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE THAT THEY'RE HAVING THEIR, UH, UH, RV SERVICED THAT MAYBE STAY ON THE CAMPSITE AND THEN GO DOWN THERE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF POSSIBILITIES TO WORK WITH THEM.
UH, BUT THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THINGS WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT AS WE GO.
YEAH, I IMAGINE IT'S PART OF A BIG CHAIN.
I MEAN, LIKE, OUR JELLYSTONE AS PART OF THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE LOTS OF, I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT ARE CAMPING HAVE APPS AND ALL THIS STUFF TO FIND OUT WHERE THE NEXT OR THE CLOSEST LOCATION IS.
SO I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF COMING GOING, WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF SYNERGY THERE.
I MEAN, WELL, THE INTERSTATE, SO I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I'VE NEVER IN A CAMPGROUND BEFORE.
UH, BUT, UH, IF YOU'RE A KOA OR JELLYSTONE, THAT'S THE FIRST PEOPLE.
THEY LOOK ON THE, THEY'VE GOT STANDARDS.
THEY LOOK ON THEIR FIRST FOR THEIR CAMPER, THEN THEY GO TO AN INDEPENDENT.
SO I THINK INITIALLY OUT OF THE GATE, WE'LL GET, UH, MORE USE, YOU KNOW, TO BE BETTER.
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UM, IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE US FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AS AN INDEPENDENT TO GET THE WORD OUT SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE A GOOD CAMPGROUND AND RIGHT.SO CLINT, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I'VE, I'VE WALKED ABOUT THAT PROPERTY A BIT AND IT, I'LL CALL IT UNIQUE.
IT'S A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, I THINK THIS IS ABOUT ONE OF THE ONLY, UH, FITS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
AND I, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THIS.
I THINK THIS WILL BE PRETTY COOL.
I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU AFTER I'VE WALKED QUITE A BIT.
AND, UH, YEAH, IT'S, UH, BUT IT'S, IF, IF YOU GO, IT'S REALLY A BEAUTIFUL SITE FOR A CAMPGROUND.
I THINK THE, UH, OF COURSE WITH YOU HAVE THE SHOPPING CENTER AND STUFF, THERE'S ALL THAT BRUSH AND YOU GO UP THE HILL, THERE'S KIND OF A NATURAL BUFFER THERE.
AND I PLAN TO LEAVE AT LEAST A HUNDRED FEET OR SO OUT BEHIND CAMPING WORLD.
JUST LET THAT GROW UP AND BE THERE.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS REALLY GONNA BE A PROBLEM AFTER I'VE BEEN ON THE PROPERTY, IS THE NOISE FROM THE INTERSTATE.
YOU GET A LITTLE BIT, BUT I, YOU GET THE FEELING WHEN YOU'RE ON THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT IN THE CITY.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN THE COUNTRY.
IT DROPS DOWN A BIT AND DROPS DOWN, KINDA ISOLATED.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE IT'S OWN LITTLE ISLAND THERE, WHICH IS COOL.
AND, AND I'LL TELL YOU, AND LIKE ANITA, I SPENT MY CHILDHOOD CAMPING.
SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY COOL.
I THINK IT'LL BE NEAT THE WAY YOU'RE TALKING TO LAYING IT OUT.
ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND BEEN ADVERTISED? THANK YOU.
[ Case MJC 23-07 - Flying Ace Car Wash - Major Change - 7730 Brandt Pike]
ITEM THREE L, UH, CASE MJC 23 DASH OH SEVEN FLYING ACE CARWASH.MAJOR CHANGE 77 30 BRAND PIKE.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, SITE IN FRONT OF, UH, THE, UH, THE WALMART IN, UH, AT SULFUR GROVE SHOPPING CENTER.
THIS IS THE FORMER FIFTH THIRD BANK, WHICH HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A BIT.
IT'S ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF, UM, THE APPLICANT.
WELL, SO THE SITE'S IN GOOD SHAPE.
THE APPLICANT PLANS TO REUSE THE BUILDING SLAB, THE DRIVEWAYS, AND MUCH OF THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING.
UH, THIS HAS COME UP AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING.
THAT OVERGROWN CONSERVATION AREA IS NOT ON THIS SITE.
IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF WALMART.
UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THESE, WHICH WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, ADDRESSING HERE, UH, SHORTLY, BUT IT'S UNRELATED TO THIS APPLICATION.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN.
UM, MAIN ENTRANCE IS OFF OF CEDAR HILL DRIVE.
THERE'S A SECONDARY ENTRANCE, UM, UH, TO THE SOUTH AND SECONDARY EXIT TO THE SOUTH.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD SOME MINOR CHANGES THAT THEY, THEY MADE AS FAR AS, UH, ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT, SO THAT THE TURNING RADIUS IS FOR THE APPARATUS, UH, FIT BETTER.
UM, SO THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS SEEN THIS.
UH, YOU CAN SEE EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING, UH, REALLY ALONG THE PERIMETER ALONG, UH, BRANT PIKE, UH, IN, UH, CHARLES, EXCUSE ME, CEDAR HILL DRIVE.
IT'S THE, UM, STANDARD FLYING ACE, UM, CAR WASH.
UM, THERE'S A MURAL ON THE, THE SITE AT THE BOTTOM WHEN IT'S OPEN, WHEN IT'S CLOSED, THOSE BARN DOORS OR THOSE HANGAR DOORS, UH, CLOSE.
UM, THE ORIENTATION, THE WAY THE BUILDING IS LAID OUT SHOULD, UH, REDUCE ANY OF THE NOISE FROM THE RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, FROM BRANT PIKE.
UM, AT THE MAX, UH, CAPACITY, UH, THERE ARE 51, UM, STAGING SPACES IF, UH, IF NECESSARY, THE MERRILY WAY SITE HAS 31, UH, MAX CAPACITY.
UH, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT, UH, WE'VE ASKED THEM TO INSTALL A GATE, UH, AT CEDAR HILL DRIVE, UH, ON THOSE, THOSE PEAK TIMES, UM, WHERE WE START TO GET SOME BACKING UP, CUZ WE THINK A, A GATE WILL, UM, DETER TRAFFIC FROM WAITING, UH, MORE THAN, UH, A TEENAGER WITH SOME CONES.
UH, AND SO, UM, THEY HAVE, UH, AGREED TO DO THAT.
UM, THEY HAVE ALSO, UH, TRAINED THEIR STAFF, UM, ON THOSE HIGH CAPACITY, UH, THOSE RARE HIGH CAPACITY DAYS.
UM, SO AS FAR AS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ANALYSIS, THIS PROPOSED CAR WASH IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS BANK USE.
THEREFORE, UH, IT WAS MY OPINION THAT IT REQUIRED A MAJOR CHANGE APPROVAL, WHICH IS WHY IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, THE BUILDING IS A MIXTURE, AS YOU SAW OF CULTURED BRICK, UH, METAL SIDING.
THE FACILITY MEETS ALL THE PARKING SET BACKYARD REQUIREMENTS, LANDSCAPING'S GONNA BE REUSED.
AND THEN AUGMENTED WITH ADDITIONAL PLANNINGS, WHICH MEET CODE, UH, AND THE MONUMENT SIGN WALL SIGNS APPEAR, APPEAR TO MEET CODE.
UM, THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAFFIC AND QUEUING BETWEEN APPLICANT AND, AND MYSELF AND RUSS, UH, BEFORE THEY MADE, UM, APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AS I MENTIONED, THEY CAN STORE, UH, UP TO 51 VEHICLES VERSUS 31.
WE FEEL THAT THIS WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE THE ISSUES AT OLD OLD TROY PIKE IN MERRILEE WAY.
UM, I MENTIONED THE, THE GATE, UH, SO THIS IS A, WE ASKED THEM TO COMPARE THEIR EXPERIENCE IN COLUMBUS.
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SITUATION LIKE MERRILEE IN COLUMBUS, UH, ON BROAD STREET.UH, THE YELLOW LINE OR THE YELLOW, YEAH, EXCUSE ME.
UH, WHEN THEY ONLY HAD ONE FACILITY OPEN.
YOU COULD SEE THE MONTHLY TRAFFIC, UH, WHEN THEY OPENED THE SECOND SITE ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF AWAY, WHICH IS ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE BETWEEN MERRI WAY.
AND THIS, THIS SITE THAT IS, UH, BEING PROPOSED.
UH, THE TRAFFIC BETWEEN THE TWO SITES ARE SORT OF EVENED OUT.
UH, SO THERE WERE NO, THERE WERE NO LONGER THOSE HUGE SPIKES THAT WERE CAUSING PROBLEMS IN COLUMBUS.
WE THINK THAT THIS WILL, UH, ADDRESS TO A LARGE EXTENT THE, THE ISSUES THAT WE, UH, SEE AT OLD TROY PIKE IN MERRILEE.
SO FIRE AND ENGINEERING IMPROVE THE SITE PLAN.
AS I SAID, STAFF IS EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OF THE MAJOR CHANGE.
UH, THIS USE IS PERMITTED IN THE PLANNING COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
UH, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT USE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE IMPOSED BY, UM, WALMART AS PART OF THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS ON THE SITE.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE USES THAT APPEARS TO FIT.
UH, THEY HAVE ALREADY APPLIED TO WALMART FOR, UH, FOR THIS, UH, CUZ WALMART HAS TO APPROVE IT ALSO.
THEY'VE APPLIED, UH, THEY'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK.
UM, WE, AS I SAID, STAFF STRONGLY SUPPORTS THAT, UH, OR BELIEVES THAT A SECOND FLYING ACE LOCATION OR IS GONNA REDUCE SIGNIFICANTLY THOSE TRAFFIC CADET SUGGESTIONS, ISSUES THAT ARE ALONG MERRILY WAY ON THOSE PEAK DAYS OF, YOU KNOW, THE NICE DAY AFTER THE SNOW PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 4 0 1 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE MAJOR CHANGE, UH, WITH THE ONE CONDITION THAT THE GATE BE INSTALLED AT CEDAR HILL DRIVE INTEREST ENTRANCE, EXCUSE ME.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT COUNCIL MOVE THIS ITEM TO A FIRST READING AND THEN SUBSEQUENT APPROVAL AT THE, AT A SECOND READING AT SOME FUTURE POINT QUESTIONS FOR ME, WITHOUT SAYING THE NAME, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE ISSUE OF THE ONE THAT VOTED AGAINST? DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT WAS? WHAT WAS THE UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE MURAL.
IT THE MURAL ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THAT WAS REALLY THE, THE DISCUSSION.
THAT'S CUZ I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER WHEN I WAS PUTTING THIS TOGETHER TODAY.
AND THE MURAL WAS THE, THE ONE OBJECTION THAT I REMEMBERED.
THERE WAS A RESIDENT THAT SPOKE, UM, I'M NOT GONNA, NOT NECESSARILY AN OPPOSITION OF THIS PARTICULAR, UM, USE, BUT MORE ABOUT TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING ALREADY AT BRANT, UH, AND ACROSS THE STREET.
THE TRAFFIC QUEUES UP AT STONE HURST.
I BELIEVE SHE LIVES ALONG THE, UH, THE RESIDENCE IS ALONG BRANCH AND SO TRAFFIC IS QUEUING AT STONE HURST.
UH, RUSS IS, UH, GOING TO HAVE A DO NOT BLOCK THE INTERSECTION SIGN INSTALLED RIGHT AT AT STONE HURST, WHICH WE HOPE WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT.
JUST SOME, I HATE TO SAY RUMORS OUT THERE.
SO YOU'RE KEEPING MERRI LEE OPEN, CORRECT.
THIS ISN'T AND REPLACE OF, SO THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
I'M CRAIG VAN BREMAN WITH EXPRESS WASH CONCEPT.
WHO OWNS FLYING ACE CAR WASH? WE ARE GONNA LEAVE MERRILY OPEN AS WELL.
THIS WILL TAKE, HOPEFULLY TAKE PRESSURE OFF.
NOT HOPEFULLY WE, WE BELIEVE IT WILL TAKE PRESSURE OFF FROM ME AS WELL.
I MEAN, I AM VERY, I'LL BE REAL HONEST AND UP FRONT.
I LOVE YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR THANK YOU.
SOME REASONS THAT I DON'T WANNA EXPRESS ON THE DIAS, BUT I, I LOVE WHAT YOU DO AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
MY REASON THAT I'M KIND OF AGAINST IT IS THE BURGS AND NIEL SAYING, SAYING THAT CAR WASHES ARE THE NUMBER ONE USAGE OF WATER POSSIBLE CAUSES OF WATER MAIN BREAKS.
AND I DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE FAR ENOUGH INTO THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT TO BE PUTTING IN A BUNCH OF CAR WASHES.
SO THAT'S MY REASON I'M KIND OF REALLY TORN RIGHT NOW IS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE PRODUCTS IS KIND OF GOING DOWN TOWARD WHERE WE ARE HAVING THOSE ISSUES.
SO I DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE THOSE MATTERS MORE.
SO IT ISN'T YOUR FACILITY SIGNIFICANTLY MORE WATER EFFICIENT THAN A NORMAL CAR WASH? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
SO ABOUT 80% OF EACH WASH IS ACTUALLY RECLAIMED WATER THAT WE STORE UNDERGROUND AND THAT'S REUSED.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY LESS PRESSURE ON THE, THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE THAN WOULDN'T BE IF WE WOULD, IF WE DIDN'T RECLAIM OUR WATER AND MUCH MORE EFFICIENT THAN SOMEBODY WASHING THEIR CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY AND ALL THE ISSUES THAT COME WITH THEM AS WELL.
UH, JUST ABOUT WHERE I LIVE, SO I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
SO THE INTERSECTION AT BRA PIKE AND STONE HURST WHERE YOU'RE GOING ACROSS TO WALMART, THOSE LANES DO NOT LINE UP CORRECTLY.
SO WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO LEFT, YOU'RE IN FRONT OF THE PERSON GOING STRAIGHT MM-HMM.
PEOPLE COME DARTING OUT OF FROM THE WALMART SHOPPING CENTER, THEY COME OUT AND THEY'RE GOING ACROSS AND PEOPLE THINK, OH, THEY'RE GONNA, LIKE, THEY'RE JUST NOT REALIZING THAT THE INTERSECTION JUST, CAN WE DO ANYTHING OR CAN I GO BACK AND LOOK AT
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YOUR SITE MAP OF WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CARS INNER CUT CURB.CAN WE GO OVER THAT AGAIN? BECAUSE I THINK MAYBE JUST THE INTERSECTION OPENING UP A LITTLE MORE.
HAVE IT THE MAIN INTEREST OF WALMART.
CAN YOU GO OVER THOSE STREETS? YEAH.
SO WHAT, NONE OF NOTHING ABOUT THIS INTERSECTION, AT LEAST RIGHT NOW CHANGES AT ALL WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
THE, THE APPLICANT IS RE IS REUSING THE EXISTING, UH, ENTRANCE INTO AND EXITS THAT WERE, THAT WERE THERE FOR FIFTH THIRD BANK.
UH, IN FACT THE CIRCULATION THROUGH THE SITE IS, IS NEARLY IDENTICAL CAUSE THEY'RE BASICALLY PLOPPING DOWN THE, THE CAR WASH, UH, ON THE SAME, UH, PLANE THAT THE, THE BANK, UM, WAS ALIGNED.
SO NO, AS FAR AS THE ENTRANCES HERE INTO CEDAR HILL DRIVE, THE WAY THEY'RE ALIGNED AND ALSO THE EXIT BACK INTO HERE, NONE OF THAT CHANGES.
SO THEY'RE GONNA COME IN FROM THE HAMBURGER CUT.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT THEY COME IN FROM, GET THE MAIN ENTRANCE FROM CEDAR COME THIS WAY, OOPS.
SO IT GOES THROUGH, THEY COME OUT AND THEY EITHER POP OUT THIS WAY OR, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD GO OVER THIS BACK THIS WAY, BUT MOST PEOPLE WILL COME OUT THIS WAY AND THEN EITHER, YOU KNOW, GO LEFT OR RIGHT.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW THAT INTERSECTION LINES UP TO STONE HURST TO THE ENTRANCE BECAUSE THAT IS VERY DANGEROUS.
AND IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT MORE CARS QUEUING FROM BRAT PIKE COMING IN, LIKE THAT'S OUR PROBLEM AT MERRILEE WAY.
THEY'RE A QUEUE AND THEY'RE WAITING TO COME.
I THINK WE NEED TO GET MORE OF THE CARS.
CAN WE PUT THE LINE THROUGH THE WALMART LOT OR MORE OF YEAH.
THIS ACTUALLY, WE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT THIS WAS A BETTER SOLUTION.
SO THIS, THIS HAS 51 STACKING SPACES.
WHICH OF 83 CAR WASHES THAT EXPRESS WASH CURRENTLY OPERATES? THAT'S PROBABLY IN THE TOP 5%.
IT IS IN THE TOP 5% OF ALL THE STACKING.
IN ADDITION, WE HAVE THREE PAY STATIONS HERE INSTEAD OF TWO PAY STATIONS AT, AT MERRILY WAY.
SO THE THROUGHPUT IS GONNA BE INCRE FASTLY, VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN MERRILEE LA YOU STILL GOT THE SAME NUMBER OF SPACES FOR VACUUMING, CLEANING, AND DETAILING THAT ONE SIDE ROUGHLY THE SAME NUMBER OF SPACE.
YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB OF CLEANING THAT UP.
AND LIKE STANDING ACROSS THE STREET, YOU HEAR IT, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE, IT'S TOO LOUD.
SO WE, WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON THAT.
SO MONDAY WHEN IT'S A NICE DAY, I'M GONNA COUNT CARS OVER THERE.
WE HAVE, YOU'RE CUTTING OFF MY SHORTCUT TO BOB EVANS
BOB EVANS SUNDAY MORNING ABOUT THAT.
HERE'S GONNA BE CARS LINED UP IN THE CAR WASH HERE.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES THAT, HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING THAT I'VE ALMOST GOTTEN HIT.
SO IF WE CAN STRAIGHT OUTTA THAT INTERSECTION.
OH, TRY TURN LEFT AND PEOPLE ARE JARRING.
I KNOW TO PAUSE IN THAT INTERSECTION HERE, BUT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW TO PAUSE AND THANK YOU TONY.
SO PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS PAUSE AND WAIT FOR THE VEHICLES TO, TO HEAD ON.
IF WE COULD HAVE BETTER ROAD PAINTING ON STONE HURST OR BETTER SIGNAGE ON THE ROAD, PAVEMENT ON EXITING OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, BECAUSE THAT'S AND IS THAT US OR IS THAT WALMART? IT'S, IT'S US.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE, HEY, BEFORE YOU GO TURNING LEFT, BUT WE'RE, IF YOU WANNA GO STRAIGHT STONE HURST IN THE SHOPPING CENTER, PEOPLE ARE DARTING LEFT AND THEY SOMETIMES THINK THE TWO LANES TO GO LEFT OUT OF THERE AND PEOPLE ARE, IT'S HEAD ON.
AND IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS YOUNG, LIKE WHEN I HAVE NEW DRIVERS IN THE FAMILY, I'M LIKE, HEY, MAKE SURE YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT LINED UP AT THIS INTERSECTION CORRECTLY.
I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT WIDENING THE EXITS OKAY.
AND MAKING SURE THE LANES LINE UP.
AND I HOPE I'M NOT CUTTING INTO YOUR QUEUE OF 51 CARS BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA NEED ALL THE QUEUING YOU NEED.
NO, THAT'S ALL THE QUEUING IS ALL ON OUR PROPERTY, SO WE SHOULD BE GOOD.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, RUSS, IS MS. BAKER'S CONCERN, UH, COULD IT BE ADDRESSED THROUGH? DO WE NEED MORE LANE MARKINGS AND SIGNAGE THERE? I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP.
IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS STRAIGHT, LOOK STRAIGHT.
THINKS TWO TURNING LEFT, TURN OUT THIS WAY AND LEFT.
TURN THE OTHER WAY AND THEY LINE UP.
I'VE NEVER REALLY, I MEAN I'VE HEARD OF THIS PROBLEM ONCE OR TWICE BEFORE, BUT, UH, THIS HAS BEEN THIS WAY OBVIOUSLY LONG.
UM, CAN WE JUST LOOK TO, IT'S POSSIBLE.
IT COULD BE JUST, IT COULD BE JUST THAT SIMPLE THAT PEOPLE JUST GET SCREWED UP.
THEY'RE COMING OUT, RIGHT? OH, THEY'RE COMING OUT AND THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE BUCKLING.
GOT AND LIKE, AND THEY'RE DISTRACTED AND THEY'RE, THEY THINK THERE'S TWO LANES TO GO LEFT AND THERE'S ONLY ONE LANE TO GO LEFT.
GO SOUTH ON BRANT AND THE CAR I COME ACROSS
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STONE HER, SHE GO IN THE SHOP AND SAID THEY'RE FLYING AND THEY T-BONE.AND I REMEMBER SITTING IN THERE SHAKING MY MOM AND MY MOM REALLY WAS UPSET THAT THE CAR IS T-BONE NEXT ME.
SHE GOES, HOW DID YOU NOT GET HIT? I SAYS, WHY AM IN MY RIGHT LANE? I KNOW WHERE TO WATCH.
LIKE, NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS TO WATCH THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BETTER.
IS IT MORE OF A PROBLEM COMING OUT WALMART OR MORE OF A PROBLEM COMING FROM STONERS, STONE HURST AND THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GOING DOWN, RIGHT? THERE'S TWO LANES.
AND SO WHEN THEY COME OUTTA WALMART, THEY'RE NOT EXPECT THEY'RE RIGHT.
THEY'RE SOMETIMES THEY LINE UP TWO LANES TO GO LEFT AND THEY'RE NOT REALIZING THAT CAR'S NOT STOPPING MARKING TISSUE.
THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE BOTH OF THE LEFT TWO LANES TO TURN LEFT.
THAT METAL ONE IS SUPPOSED TO GO STRAIGHT AND IT'S ONLY SUPPOSED TO GO STRAIGHT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD PUT SOME MARKING THE PAVEMENT COMING OUT.
THAT'S WHAT SEEMS LIKE A NO BETTER TIME TO FIX THIS THAN RIGHT.
OR LIKE, MAKE, MAKE MORE OF A, A LITTLE MORE CUT.
SO IT'S A RIGHT LANE AND IT'S VERY CLEAR.
THIS IS GONNA GO STRAIGHT AND VERY CLEAR.
THERE'S A LEFT LANE AND MAKE THOSE THREE LANES WHY WE'RE GOING IN AND THAT LITTLE BIT OF JUST GRASSY K NOLE TO THE NORTH OF THE STOPLIGHT.
WHEN YOU EXIT THE SHOPPING CENTER, IF WE COULD MAKE IT A RIGHT TURN ONLY AND THAT WAY YOU'RE JUST MOVING TRAFFIC FASTER OUT.
YOU HAVE THREE LANES GOING OUT, ONE STRAIGHT, ONE LEFT, AND ONE AT THE RIGHT.
AND THAT WOULD HELP MOVE SOME OF THAT OUT OF THERE.
YEAH, WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
THIS, THIS EXPLAINS WHAT SHE WAS TRYING TO DESCRIBE TO ME.
BETTER NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT YEAH.
BECAUSE THAT FIRST STREET, LIKE WHEN YOU, IF YOU SEE SOMEONE COMING IN AND THEY HAVE TO WAIT TO TURN LEFT, THERE'S ABOUT FOUR HOUSES IN THAT FIRST STREET, RIGHT? RIGHT OFF STONE HURST AND THEY CAN'T GET IN THERE.
SO IF YOU PUT THE PAUSE LANE, IF YOU PUT THE PAUSE LANE BACK THERE, YOU'RE NOT TRIGGERING THE LIGHT.
YOU'RE GONNA SIT THERE FOR FIVE MINUTES OF THE LIGHT.
YEAH, WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO MOVE THE LOOP.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATED YOUR SUBMISSION, UM, REGARDING THE CASE STUDY IN COLUMBUS.
UM, BECAUSE IT, IT REALLY DOES MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL PICTURE MM-HMM.
FURTHER EVIDENCE OF THAT ASLEY FLYING HIS CUSTOMER.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT FURTHER EVIDENCE OF THAT WAS EXHIBITED WHEN, UH, WOODMAN DRIVE, UM, UM, HAD THE, UH, FIRE MM-HMM.
MARYLEE WAY EXPERIENCED A MASSIVE INCREASE.
YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE OF THAT.
SO AGAIN, UH, THE, THE CASE STUDY YOU PRESENTED WAS HELPFUL BECAUSE I DO THINK IT EXPLAINS THE NEED, UH, AND HOW THINGS WILL BALANCE OUT MORE FOR, UH, THE TWO HUBER HEIGHTS LOCATIONS.
AND THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED ON MONDAY FOR THIS AS WELL.
[ Case RZ BDP 23-08 - RHM Real Estate Group - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - 7125 Executive Boulevard]
IS ITEM THREE M, WHICH IS CASE R Z BDP 23 DASH OH EIGHT RHM REAL ESTATE GROUP, THE REZONING AND BASIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.WE DONE ANOTHER SITE THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, ABOUT 43 ACRES CURRENTLY ZONED PLANNED EMPLOYMENT PARK.
UM, THE BASIC, JUST LIKE THAT, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THERE ARE TWO ACTIONS HERE.
ONE IS REZONING THE 43 ACRES TO PLAN MIXED USE.
THE SECOND IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, APPROVAL OF 300 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND FOUR COMMERCIAL OUTLETS, OUTLETS ON HALF OF THAT SITE, ABOUT 22.3 ACRES.
UM, AS YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE ON A QUICK TIMELINE TO, UH, TO CLOSE ON THIS PROPERTY.
UH, SO THIS IS THE, THE REZONING OF THE 43 ACRES JUST ON EXECUTIVE, UH, BOULEVARD.
UH, THIS IS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AREA.
IT'S THE WEST HALF OF, OF THAT SITE.
UH, JUST I PUT THIS GRAPHIC IN SO YOU COULD SEE HOW WE'RE BUILDING OUT AS, AS, AS WE'RE BUILDING OUT THE EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UH, AREA.
SO THE METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS ACROSS, UH, FROM THE ROSE, UH, AS WELL AS THEN THIS, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, THIS PROPOSAL, UM, LAID OUT HERE.
AND THEN WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER 20 OR SO ACRES, UH,
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TO THE EAST OF THIS TO, TO CONTEMPLATE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.UH, THIS IS THE, THEY CALL IT THE, THE BIG HOUSE STYLE.
IT'S MORE OF A, A LARGE FARMHOUSE, UH, APPROACH.
UH, THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS OF MIXTURE OF, UH, BATTEN SIGHTING, UM, GLAZING, AS WELL AS CULTURED, UH, BRICK.
UH, THIS IS THE CLUBHOUSE, UH, ELEVATIONS.
UH, THIS IS, UH, THEIR GENERIC RETAIL, UM, UH, PROPOSAL.
THE, THE, THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW IS FOCUSED ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION.
UH, WITH THEN THE, WE WILL BE, AFTER THAT IS APPROVED, WE'LL BE FOCUSING ON FINDING RETAIL TENANTS.
UH, SO, UH, THEY JUST HAVE KIND OF BOILER PLATE, UH, RIGHT NOW JUST PLACEHOLDERS FOR THE BUILDINGS.
UH, THIS IS, UH, PROBABLY A BETTER REPRESENTATION.
THIS IS THE 3D RENDERING AS YOU LOOK TO THE NORTHWEST, UH, INTO THE SITE.
UH, THEN THIS IS LOOKING FURTHER NORTH AS A BOULEVARD AND ENTRANCE AS YOU GET BACK INTO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
SO AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT HIGHLIGHTS, UH, RIGHT NOW THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS GOT ABOUT 31.5% OPEN SPACE.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA GO UP AS THEY FIGURE OUT THEIR GRADING AND, AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE ON THE NORTH HALF OF THE SITE OR THE NORTH EDGE OF THE SITE.
THE EXIST, THE ENTRANCES ON EXECUTIVE, UH, DO ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING, UH, ACCESS POINTS.
UM, I REQUESTED PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AT LALA DRIVE.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE AN EMERGENCY EXIT.
UH, ANYWAY, UH, WHAT'S THAT? I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOUR PRE LIKE A PUSH SKATE FOR THE POLICE AND THE FIRE TO GET THROUGH.
UH, THAT DETAIL IS NOT YET, UH, WORKED OUT, BUT, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE, THERE WILL BE A SECOND ACCESS.
IT WILL PROBABLY BE GATED, BUT, UH, I WANTED TO MAKE A BETTER CONNECTION, A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH TO THE COMMERCIAL AREA THAT IS, UH, ALONG, UM, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD SO WE CAN REDUCE THE, THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
THEY'RE GONNA CUT THROUGH ANYWAY AS A KID DOES.
UH, SO LET'S MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, LET'S DIRECT THEM.
UM, THEY'RE CARRYING ALONG THAT 10 FOOT WIDE MULTI-USE PATH ALONG EXECUTIVE.
UM, THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL PARKING SPACES ARE, UH, 531, WHICH IS 1.77 SPACES PER UNIT.
UH, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN, UH, APPROVING FOR.
UH, THIS IS, UH, THE OVERALL SITE.
SO THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY RIGHT NOW WOULD, UH, GO ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF, OF THE SITE, THE WEST EDGE, AND THEN CONNECT, UH, DOWN.
UM, I THINK THAT'S, I WOULD SAY IT'S 50 50 OF, OF HOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
WE'RE GONNA WORK THROUGH THAT IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THERE'S SOME VERY LARGE TREES THAT ARE ALONG THAT SITE, THAT EDGE THAT I THINK SERVE AS A BETTER BUFFER AND SCREENING THAN ANYTHING THAT WE COULD PLANT NOW.
UM, SO, UM, WE'RE STILL GONNA MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS BY HOW WE DO IT.
WE WILL DETERMINE IN THE FUTURE.
I ALSO THINK THAT THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A, UH, ANOTHER COMMERCIAL, ANOTHER, UM, CONNECTION ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE TO THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL TO THE WEST, WHICH ISN'T ILLUSTRATED HERE.
UM, BUT THE CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH IS GONNA IMPACT THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
SO AGAIN, WE'LL WORK THIS OUT DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT, UH, THE APPROVAL OF THE REZONING, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT THOSE 300 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
UH, I HAD I THINK THREE CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT THE PERMITTED USES WILL BE, UH, THOSE THAT ARE PERMITTED IN, UH, 1179, WHICH IS THE PLAN MIXED USE WITH EXCLUDING A FILLING STATION'S, UH, SWEEP STA OF THESE THAT YOU CAN SEE.
UH, THESE WERE THE SAME EXCLUSIONS THAT WE CARRIED OVER FROM THE NEUBAUER SITE.
UM, THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THE FIRST HALF OF, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THESE EXCLUSIONS WOULD NOT CARRY OVER TO THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE SITE, UH, AS, AS I THINK WE FELT AT BEST THAT WE TAKE IT EACH SECTION AT A TIME.
UH, SECOND ONE, THE CONDITION IS THAT THEY'LL COMPLY WITH ALL FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT HASN'T SEEN THIS YET.
UH, WELL, THEY'VE SEEN IT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THE DETAILS.
UH, AND THEN THE EXISTING TREE IS A NON-VA NON-INVASIVE VEGETATION THAT ABUT THE PROPERTY ALONG SCATTER, REPLACED IN LA LALA DR.
DRIVE, I CANNOT SAY THAT WORD, UH, SHALL BE PRESERVED, UM, AND MAINTAINED IN A HEALTHY MANNER.
DEAD OR DYING TREE SHALL BE REPLACED WITH A SPECIES APPROVED BY, UH, THE CITY.
THIS PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH THOSE SAME COMMISSIONS BY A FIVE ZERO VOTE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT CITY COUNCIL MOVE THIS ITEM FORWARD, UH, AND WAIVE THE SECOND READING, UH, BY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REQUIRES THEM TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY BY MAY 15TH.
UH, I DO NOT THINK THAT IF, IF WE HAVE TWO READINGS THAT WOULD PUT THE SECOND READING ON MAY 8TH, UH, THAT'S A FOUR DAYS IS TOUGH TO ARRANGE A CLOSING FROM THE VOTE
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ON THE EIGHTH TO BEING REQUIRED TO VOTE, UH, TO CLOSE BY THE 15TH.SO I'M SUGGESTING THAT, UH, COUNSEL WAIVE THE SECOND READING TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER, UH, SOME OPPORTUNITY TO ARRANGE THE CLOSING, BUT NOT WA NOT NECESSARILY NOT DECLARE THIS AS AN EMERGENCY.
QUESTIONS FROM, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS, BUT I'LL, WE'LL WAIT AND SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE, OKAY, HERE WE GO.
I'M GONNA SURPRISE A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT I DO NOT LIKE THIS.
BRIAN WAS RHM RMH WHAT WE SAW IN THE BACK ROOM.
THEN I DON'T KNOW WHY IN THE HECK WE ARE SEEING THIS.
WHEN ALL OF US EXPRESSED HOW MUCH WE LIKED WHAT WE SAW BACK THERE, THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
SO I'M GONNA SAY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEING IN A ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, THIS LOOKS LIKE MORE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THAN IT DOES AN EXPERIENCE IN AN ATMOSPHERE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN AN AREA THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ENTERTAINMENT AREA.
WE SAW EVERYBODY, EVEN THOSE WHO AREN'T REALLY A FAN OF MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, SAW AN URBAN LOOKING FIELD.
WE SAW FLAT ROOFS, WE SAW DIFFERENT, UM, EXTERIOR PRODUCTS.
I MEAN, IT, IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
I, FOR 1:00 AM EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED THAT WE'VE NOW GOTTEN THIS FAR IN THIS, AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS MORE OF THE SAME.
THIS MIGHT BE EASIER TO BUILD, IT MIGHT BE MORE PROFITABLE TO BUILD, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT WE SAW AND IT DOESN'T FIT THAT AREA, NOT WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
I'M, I'M REALLY FRUSTRATED BY THAT.
RICHARD, MARY, IF I CAN EXPAND ON THAT BECAUSE I WAS SITTING HERE SILENTLY HAVING THOSE THOUGHTS.
UM, HOWEVER I WAS GONNA TRY TO PUT THOSE INTO WORDS, UH, SINCE WE'RE BEING BLUNT.
UM, PLEASE BE, WE WE DID DISCUSS A, A VERY MODERN, UH, A MILLENNIAL APPROACH TO THIS.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF IT WAS THEIR PRESENTATION.
WHERE IS THAT, WHERE ARE THOSE WRITTEN? AND, AND YEAH, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER WEBB.
AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, I I'M, I'M GOING TO STEP ON THE SWORD ON THIS AND STATE THAT BECAUSE OF THAT APPROACH, UM, OF THAT DESIGN WORK, I BELIEVE IT WAS AT MY SUGGESTION THAT WE INCREASED THE HOUSING DENSITY THERE BECAUSE IT MATCHED WITH MORE OF THAT ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
MAYOR, AM I CORRECT IN THOSE STATEMENTS? RICHARD? I'LL AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I WAS COMPLETELY SHOCKED WHEN YOU SUGGESTED THAT I THINK YOU BOTH FELL ON THE FLOOR.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT, UM, THE FRONT COMMERCIAL COMPONENT WAS GOING TO BE ENCOMPASSED IN THIS FIRST GO.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THE LARGER COMMERCIAL PIECE WAS GOING TO BE A PHASED APPROACH.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS ALWAYS DISCUSSED FROM THE GET GO.
MAYOR, AM I CORRECT IN THOSE STATEMENTS THUS FAR? UH, TO MY RECOLLECTION, YES.
UM, SO I, I WILL SAY THERE'S A BIT OF CHANGE IN THE VISUAL, UM, THAT, THAT THAT'S HERE.
UM, I BELIEVE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD EVEN PULL IT UP TO HAVE A SIDE-BY-SIDE OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM HORIZON LINE, UM, ORIGINALLY, BUT, BUT I EVEN THINK THAT'S WHY I, BRIAN, IT WAS, IT WAS RH IS RMH, R H M, UH, IT'S RHM RHM RHM.
WHAT WE SAW BACK THERE WASN'T HORIZON LINE RENDERING.
THE COMPANY THAT'S NOW SHOWING US THIS IS THE SAME COMPANY THAT SHOWED US THAT IN THE BACK ROOM, BUT WE ALL SAID, HEY, WE LIKE, WE CAN GO ON BOARD WITH THAT.
AND NOW WE'RE, YEAH, I THINK I'VE SAID WHERE I KIND OF FEEL ABOUT THIS.
WELL, I WILL SAY DURING THE PLAN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION PRESENTATION, THE APPLICANT WAS COMMITTED TO, TO, UM, BUILDING OUT THE COMMERCIAL AREA.
THEY'RE IN THE RESIDENTIAL BUSINESS THERE SEEKING PARTNERS FOR THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
AND I THINK THE, BUT THE BIGGER THING IS, RIGHT, SO WE'VE ALL SAID THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND, AND WE KNOW FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL DRIVES THE COMMERCIAL.
IT'S NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A BUILD COMMERCIAL.
YOU GOTTA BUILD THE RESIDENTIAL, YOU GOTTA HAVE THE, THE PEOPLE AND THE INCOME, THE DISCRETIONARY INCOME THAT DRIVES THE COMMERCIAL USE.
AND I THINK IT'LL HAPPEN, BUT I THINK IT'LL HAPPEN BETTER WITH, IN THE
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ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO GET THE TYPE OF BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL WE WANT THERE TO HAVE A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO ATTRACT TO THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE.I THINK IT'S THE HIGHER, THE HIGHER DENSITY AND LIKE, I THINK EVEN THE MILLENNIAL, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE EXCITED ABOUT LIVING ACROSS THE STREET FROM A MUSIC CENTER FOR SEVEN MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.
I, I THINK THE TERM THAT WE USED MIRROR AND, AND I, I DON'T MEAN TO BE VAGUE OR RUDE, UH, BUT WAS SEXY.
IT, IT PROVIDED THAT, THAT NOSTALGIC VIEW.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND THOSE FARMHOUSES DOWNTOWN NEXT TO, WHAT IS IT NOW? THE DRAGON STATION? I FORGOT, I FORGET WHO SPONSORS IT NOW, BUT DAY AIR NOW, MAYBE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND FARMHOUSE BIG HOUSES DOWNTOWN AROUND A VENUE THAT'S ATTRACTING THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE WHERE THE BRICKS IS AT.
AND THE, AND THE BREWERIES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT SHOULD BE.
AND THAT, IN MY OPINION, IS NOT GONNA ATTRACT THOSE PEOPLE.
SO I, I, I GUESS MI MY, MY QUESTION TO BE, UM, WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT DISCUSSION, THOSE RENDERINGS THAT WE DID? WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S WHY I'M P****D OFF SITTING HERE.
I'M JUST GONNA BE BLUNT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
I, I MEAN, BECAUSE SINCE WE'RE TALKING, UH, VERY FRANK HERE, UM, I, I HAVE, I FIND MYSELF IN A VERY UNIQUE POSITION AS A DECIDING VOTE ON THIS ENTIRE PROJECT.
AND, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEBODY WHO ASKS FOR THE INCREASED DENSITY, BECAUSE I WAS GETTING THAT MILLENNIAL AND THAT SEXINESS APPEAL, UH, AGAINST TO SOME OF THE OTHER REQUESTS THAT WERE ON THIS DIAS.
SO, I, I, I MEAN, AND MAYOR, NOT TO PUT YOU IN A DIFFICULT SPOT AS NOT HAVING A, A VOTE ON THIS, BUT, UM, I'M IN THE SAME VOTE.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME ANSWERS ON THIS.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS WHAT I AGREED TO.
UH, THIS IS ALSO IN ADDITION TO WHAT I AGREED TO AND SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS TO MOVE THIS CITY FORWARD.
UM, AND, UH, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.
SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MAKES A HUNDRED PERCENT SENSE.
SO I THINK, AND I, I'M, I'M WITH YOU.
I WAS SAYING RIGHT NOW WHAT THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING FOR IS THE ENTITLEMENTS FOR ZONING DENSITY, REALLY JUST ZONING AND DENSITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR PROPERTY, YOU CONTROL ITS DESTINATION AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE PRODUCT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
BUT, UM, AT THE MOMENT NOW, BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A FAST PACE, A FAST TRACK HERE.
WHAT THEY HAVE ASKED FOR IS, AGAIN, THE REZONING AND THE, AND THE DENSITY ALLOTMENT OF 300 UNITS, WHICH IS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TWICE IF I DON'T RECALL.
IT'S CLOSE TO TWICE WHAT HORIZON LINE WAS.
SO, SO ERIN, AND, AND, AND I APOLOGIZE, MAYOR TO OVERSTEP, IF I MAY.
AND, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF THE LEGISLATION HERE WITHOUT, UM, WITHOUT PUTTING THIS ON BRIAN REAL QUICK, BUT I, I, IF, IF I VOTE YES ON THIS ON MONDAY, AND, AND, AND THIS GETS ESSENTIALLY PASSED THE WAY THAT I, I, I SEE THE VOTE MOVING DOWN, UM, AND, AND ON HERE, IT'S, IT'S A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THESE VISUALS IN FRONT OF ME.
CAN, CAN YOU HELP ME OUT ON WHAT RECOURSE, I HAVE TO MAKE SURE I GET THAT SEXINESS APPEAL AND THAT DENSITY THAT, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND, AND I WON'T SEE I, THAT, THAT DOES NOT COME BACK TO ME FOR A VOTE.
NOW, I DO UNDERSTAND THERE'S CRAS AND THERE'S OTHER, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL LEGISLATION, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ASPECT OF THIS OR THE PLAN.
AM I CORRECT? SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT THE ZONING ENTITLEMENT WOULD ALLOW IF IT WERE TO MOVE THROUGH WOULD BE ZONING TO PLAN MIXED USE AND A DENSITY OF 300 UNITS ON THIS 22 ACRES, ALONG WITH THOSE FOUR COMMERCIAL SPACES.
I THINK YOUR, YOUR HOOK ON THE TYPE OF, UH, URBANISM OR THE, OR VANESS OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS MAKING SURE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR PRIOR TO CLOSING ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, I RECALL READING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THERE'S ALSO A PHASE TAKE DOWN, AND EACH, AT EACH PHASE IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, CITY APPROVAL AS SUCH.
AND THAT, AND THAT PHASE TAKEDOWN, IF, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WAS THE SAME PHASE TAKEDOWN WHEN IT WAS WITH HORIZON LAND, I BELIEVE.
SO I, AND, AND I, AND I GUESS SO YEAH, I DON'T, YEAH, I'M WANNA PUT A PAUSE THERE.
THANK YOU MAYOR SHARON, I'M NOT MAD ABOUT YOU.
IT JUST, THIS COME BACK WITH A FARMER HOUSE.
LOOK, WHEN IT WAS A VERY URBAN CONTEMPORARY LOOK THAT WE'VE SEEN PREVIOUSLY, WAS THIS MORE COST EFFECTIVE? CAN YOU TELL ME
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WHY IT CHANGED? IT WAS A MULTI, IT WAS, IT WAS ALMOST THREE STORIES TALL AT ONE POINT.SOME OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE MIDDLE, THIS LOOKS LIKE A ONE A CAR STORAGE IN THE BOTTOM.
AND YOU WALK UP THE STEPS TO THE APARTMENT UPSTAIRS.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE APPLICANT, LIKE WHAT MADE THIS CHANGE FROM A TO B? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE A BAIT AND SWITCHED.
SO THIS WAS THE ONLY SITE PLAN I'VE EVER SEEN.
SO REAL QUICK, I WHAT, WHAT THIS COUNCIL GOT EXCITED ABOUT.
WE SAW THE BACK ROOM EVEN HAD A DENSITY CUZ IT WAS LABELED ON SOME OF THE PICTURES SAW IT'S LIKE 27 AN ACRE.
I, I MEAN THAT'S THE TYPE OF DENSITY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, AND YOU CAN GET 27 UNITS AN ACRE THAT LOOK REALLY, REALLY NICE.
AND IT ISN'T THIS, SO, SO THIS IS A PRODUCT OUT THAT THEY, THAT THEIR ARCHITECTURE PARTNER HAS USED OR BUILT, I BELIEVE IN LAREDO, TEXAS, UH, AND A COUPLE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE SIMILAR IN SIZE TO HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, I'M JUST REPEATING WHAT THEY HAVE TOLD ME.
UM, I'M OFF THIS, I'M WANT THIS TO BE A NICE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
THIS DOES NOT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING'S GONNA, THIS LOOKS LIKE A NICE LOUISVILLE COMMUNITY, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE URBAN CONTEMPORARY DOOR THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ACROSS FROM A MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
MAYOR CAN, CAN WE JUST SIMPLY ASK, I MEAN, HE'S SITTING OVER HERE AND I REALLY WANT TO GET HIS FEEDBACK.
BRIAN, WHAT HAPPENED REAL QUICK, REAL QUICK CUZ I WANNA GET GLEN'S COMMENTS FIRST.
AND THEN, WE'LL GLEN, UH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL BEING ON THE TABLE HERE.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT I'M NOT INTO ADDING A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS ANYWHERE.
BUT I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU THAT WHEN THE PRESENT, THE PRESENTATION WE RECEIVED BEFORE, NOT ONLY DID IT HAVE A MORE MODERN OR MORE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL MAYBE INDUSTRIAL LOOK OR IT WAS, IT WAS COOL BECAUSE URBAN, THIS WAS A VERY, BUT IT WASN'T JUST ONE STYLE OF BUILDING EITHER, I WANNA SAY.
THERE WAS, THEY WERE LOOKING AT DOING TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT STYLES AND, AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN ONE THING BACK AGAINST THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOMETHING ELSE OUT HERE.
AND THEN THE CENTER WAS GONNA BE REALLY SOMETHING TOTALLY URBAN.
YEAH, I DIDN'T, BUT WE TALKED, WE DIDN'T WANT THREE STORY, THREE STORY UNITS BACK, RIGHT.
GOING UP AGAINST THAT ROAD BEHIND IT.
BUT THERE WAS ROOM FOR THAT TYPE OF TRANSITION.
AND I EVEN THINK MATT MC CASEY'S PROJECT HAS SOME TRANSITION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE LARGER UNITS ALONG THE BACK BUTTING UP AGAINST THE RESIDENCE PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S ROOM TO TRANSITION TO THAT STUFF THROUGH THERE.
BUT THIS JUST LOOKS LIKE THEY JUST WENT COPY PASTE, COPY PASTE, COPY PASTE, COPY PASTE.
AND, AND THAT'S, I FEEL LIKE WHAT THEY DID IS THEY PRESENTED, WE WENT FROM BAD TO, OH MY GOD, I FEEL LIKE THEY PRESENTED THIS BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAD THE DRAWINGS.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO SPEND ANY MONEY ON ARCHITECTURE TO JUST REDESIGN ANYTHING ELSE AND IT FIT THE PROJECT.
AND, AND THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THEY PLUGGED IN THERE.
BUT THAT'S DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME BECAUSE THE DESIGNS WE SAW BACK THERE WAS THEIRS TOO.
I, AND MAYBE THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT LOOK THEY BROUGHT US, BUT MAYBE ON THE INSIDES IS THE SAME, BUT I DON'T SEE THE, IT WAS PATIOS EVEN ON THIS PRODUCT.
WE HAD PATIOS ON THE OTHER PRODUCT GUYS.
RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU RECALL TOO? WE HAD PRO, IT WAS METAL RAILINGS WITH CORNER UNITS AND BALCONIES AND IT WAS JUST A BRIAN, I'M SORRY.
SO IN THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, THEY RECOGNIZED THE DESIRE FOR THE MORE URBAN LOOK ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THEY EXPRESSED TO ME WAS HOW THAT PRODUCT RELATES TO THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND IT.
AND THEIR CONCERN WAS THAT HAVING A DENSITY, NOT A DENSITY, BUT HAVING A PRODUCT STYLE THAT WAS FULLY URBAN THAT WAS APPLIED TO THEIR ENTIRE SITE, WOULD MAKE THEIR PRODUCT DIFFICULT IN THE MARKETPLACE.
WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO WHAT IS THE PARKVIEW STYLE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE, TO THE, TO THE NORTHEAST, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AND THEN TO THE VIC CASEY PRODUCT TO THE WEST.
SO, UM, YEAH, SO IF YOU PULL UP THE RENDERINGS RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE, THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE APARTMENT UNITS ON VAC CASEY'S PROPERTY IS WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE.
SO THE APPLICANT'S INTENT ON THIS SITE WAS TO REFLECT, AARON, IF YOU COULD SCROLL DOWN PLEASE JUST A LITTLE BIT TILL YOU GET TO THE MORE URBAN CONTEXT.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT HERE WAS LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING
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SIMILAR TO MATCH EFFECTIVELY WHAT VA CASEY IS DOING.SO VA CASEY HAS, IF I THINK IT'S TWO OR THREE BUILDINGS OUT FRONT THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL THAT HAVE THIS COMPONENT AND THEN HE IS KIND OF GOT A, A MORE URBAN STYLED, UH, CLUBHOUSE THAT'S SET UP OUT BY THE ROAD.
AND SO IN THIS INSTANCE, RHM WAS ATTEMPTING TO PUT TOGETHER A PRODUCT THAT COULD BLEND WITH THE CASEY'S PROPERTIES IN THE BACK THAT WOULD MATCH THE CASEY'S PROPERTY TO THE EAST AT PARKVIEW IF HE HAD TO DEVELOP THAT FAR EAST AND THEN BRING THE URBAN ELEMENT AND SCREEN THAT AT THE ROAD, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CASEY IS DOING HERE WITH HIS PRODUCT.
SO BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS WITH RH M THERE ISN'T ANY ATTEMPT TO SUPPLANT THE INTEREST OF COUNSEL OR THE DESIRE OF COUNSEL, BUT WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THE PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BRING HERE IS A SUCCESSFUL PRODUCT.
BRIAN, IF I MAY, AND JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, CUZ WELL, UM, WE'VE GOT, UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT ARE WE AT 72 HOURS UNTIL MONDAY? UM, AND THEY'RE WANTING THIS PASS WITH A, UH, SECOND READING, UH, WAIVED.
WE, WE, WE'VE ASKED FOR THAT IN THE INTEREST OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.
RIGHT? SO THAT IS NOT THAT, DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT HERE.
HERE'S THE 22 MILLION QUESTION.
IF THAT WAS THE PRODUCT THAT THEY WERE WANTING TO BRING TO THE MAYOR'S EARLIER COMMENTS, RM WAS THE ORIGINAL REAL ESTATE GROUP WORKING WITH HORIZON LINK.
SO H HORIZON LINE, LET, LET, LET'S, LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT EXACTLY HOW ALL OF THESE RELATIONSHIPS CAME ABOUT.
SO WHEN, WHO GAVE US THOSE RENDERINGS, ISN'T IT? SO HORIZON LINE, WE WENT TO HORIZON LINE AND SAID THE PRODUCT THAT YOU ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, THE SINGLE STORY, UH, PRODUCT IS NOT A PRODUCT THAT WE WANT.
WE WANT A HIGHER DENSITY PRODUCT.
HORIZON LINE DOESN'T TYPICALLY DO HIGH DENSITY PRODUCTS THEMSELVES.
SO THEY REACHED OUT TO RHM, WHO THEY HAD WORKED WITH ON ANOTHER PROJECT AND SAID, HEY, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO A HIGH DENSITY PRODUCT.
WHAT TYPE OF HIGH DENSITY PRODUCT DO YOU DO? AND SO R H M SENT OVER THIS LIST OF SCREENSHOTS OR THESE LIST OF RENDERINGS TO US OR TO HORIZON LINE AND SAID, THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF PRODUCTS WE DO.
AND THEN FROM THOSE SCREENSHOTS, THIS COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE.
UH, AM I CORRECT ON THAT? SO WE RESPONDED BACK, YES, WE WENT INTO THE, INTO COUNCIL, INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE REVIEWED ALL OF THOSE.
AND ON, I HAVE HANDWRITTEN NOTES THAT WENT BACK, WHICH WAS NO, NO, LIKED, LOVED MM-HMM.
NOW, SO BRIAN, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, WAS THIS ANY OF THOSE THAT WE SAW? SO THERE WAS A, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIMME A MINUTE, WE MIGHT HAVE SAW IT, BUT IT PROBABLY WAS A NO.
WELL, IN A AND ADDITIONALLY TO THAT, FROM WHAT? GO, GO BACK TO THAT AARON FOR JUST A MOMENT.
WHICH ONE? WHICH ONE? THE, THE, THE FLAT PROPERTY AT, UH, METROPOLITAN.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS RIGHT HERE MATCHES UP WITH SOME BARN DOORS.
WELL, BUT THAT'S BUT THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS THEY WOULD USE THE MORE URBAN LOOK ON THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT OUT FRONT AT THE ROAD, CUZ THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY.
SO THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD BE LOOKING TO PUT IN THAT MODERN OR THAT URBAN FACADE, THAT URBAN DESIGN, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT MATT VA CASEY'S DOING AT THE FRONT OF HIS PROJECT WHERE IT'S OUT BY THE ROAD RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ROSE.
MATT HAS THE VERY URBAN PRODUCT.
AS SOON AS YOU GET AWAY FROM THE ROAD AND YOU GET UP AGAINST THE HOUSES, THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE BETWEEN THE CREEK AND THE, AND THE HOUSING.
MATT HAS A VERY CONVENTIONAL PITCHED ROOF.
AND SO I'M SURE THAT IF COUNCIL WERE TO PUSH, PUSH THE ISSUE AND RHM THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS, KAREN CAN YOU SCROLL BACK DOWN THERE FOR JUST A MOMENT? RIGHT.
KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING.
AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT RHM SUPPLIED THIS AS A VISUAL RENDERING OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE? AM I CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO, BUT TO YOUR POINT, THE COMMERCIAL, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED DID NOT HAVE NECESSARILY MUCH OF AN URBAN FEEL.
AND I DID GO BACK TO THEM AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO SEE A, A BETTER URBAN FEEL FOR THE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES ALONG EXECUTIVE LIKE
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THE, THE NEUBAUER SITE.UM, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT URBANISM ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, UH, FOR THE BACK, BUT WE WANTED TO SEE THAT THAT URBAN STYLE CARRIED DOWN EXECUTIVE, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THESE FOUR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
THEY CAME BACK WITH A PLACEHOLDER, WHICH IS BETTER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED, WHICH DOES HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE OF THE FLAT LINES, A LOT OF GLAZING, UM, LESS OF THE HIP ROOF TYPE OF, OF LOOK THAT THE, THE FARMHOUSES DO.
YEAH, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, AND, AND, AND AGAIN I MAY BE WRONG, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS EVEN WITH THAT COMMERCIAL ASPECT, THE REST OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WAS STILL GOING TO MIRROR THAT FLAT ROOF.
UM, MAYBE JUST NOT HAVE AS MUCH OF THAT MODERN SEXINESS TO IT.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT BECAUSE AGAIN, TO THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WITH METROPOLITAN, UM, THERE WAS THAT MODERN THAT, UM, MILLENNIAL LOOK IN THE FRONT AND THEN THE BACK WAS MORE OF THAT CONDENSED DENSITY, FLAT ROOF, YOU KNOW, SOME GATEWAYS, WALKWAYS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WELL, IN THE BACK OF THE NEW BOWER OR THE NEW BOWER, THE METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS, THE NEW BOWER SITE, YEAH.
THERE ARE MORE HIP AND GABLE ROOFS IN ORDER TO BLEND IN WITH THE, THAT THAT REPLICATE THE HIP AND GABLE ROOFS OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY TO THE SIDE.
THE OTHER, I GUESS, UM, ADVANTAGE OF THIS DESIGN IS THAT, UM, SO AT THE HIGHEST PEAK, UH, IS ONLY 39 FEET, UM, WHICH IS CLOSER TO THE, UH, MA BUILDING HEIGHT SIDE BUILDING HEIGHT, SIZE OF THE, THE RESIDENCES HERE, UH, TO THE WEST.
SO THESE BUILDINGS DON'T DOMINATE THE OVER THE, OVER THE, THE NEIGHBORS.
NOW, IF YOU WANT TO GET TO MORE OF A URBAN SORT OF HIRE THREE STORY, UM, DENSITY IN THE MIDDLE, I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO HAVE.
BUT THE WAY THIS IS DESIGNED IS IT DOES START TO GO, IT DOES TRANSITION BETTER TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD THAN A THREE STORY 45 FOOT OR 50 FOOT TALL BUILDING WOOD ON THIS EDGE.
AND IF MY UNDERSTANDING WAS CORRECT ON, ON THAT, ON THAT PART, IT WAS MY, MY THOUGHT THAT I HAD REQUESTED MORE DENSITY, WHICH WAS GOING TO BE THOSE LARGER BUILDINGS WHERE IT WASN'T, UH, I'M GONNA SAY, UH, IT WASN'T 20, UH, OF THE LEGO BUILDINGS, IT WAS 10 OF THE REALLY GOOD LOOKING BUILDINGS THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE FIRST? SEE WHAT WE'RE SAYING THERE? WE YEAH, YEAH.
THAT'S, THAT'S, AND SOMEBODY CORRECT ME, BRIAN, IS THAT PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED INITIALLY? THAT WAS, YES, THAT WAS, YES.
SO IS THIS RIGHT HERE AND, AND, AND I'M JUST, I'M GONNA TAKE THIS TO MORE OF A 50,000 FOOT VIEW.
IS THIS PLAN RIGHT HERE MORE BUILDING THAN WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY AGREED WITH LESS DENSITY OR IS IT ABOUT THE SAME? SO THIS IS THE, IT'S THE SAME DENSITY, IT'S EFFECTIVELY THE SAME DENSITY.
SO THAT'S, THAT HASN'T CHANGED.
THIS IS JUST MORE FOOTPRINT OF ACTUAL BUILDINGS THAN WHAT THE OTHER PLAN WOULD BE.
WHAT ARE YOU AT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, ARE YOU, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE HORIZON LINE? YES.
SO THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DENSE THAN HORIZON LINE.
IT ALSO, UH, THE HORIZON LINE WERE MAINLY ONE STORY FLATS, UH, AND WALKOUTS.
SO HORIZON LINE WAS ABOUT HALF THE DENSITY OF WHAT THIS IS.
THESE ARE TWO, MAYBE TWO AND A HALF STORY HORIZON LINE WAS ONE WAS PRETTY MUCH ONE AND SOME TALL GABLE ROOFS.
AND, AND I GUESS MAYBE I'M TALKING ABOUT MAYBE HORIZON LINE 2.0 OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAYBE WAS.
I'M JUST GOING FROM WHAT WAS YEAH, NO, NO.
YEAH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ALL I GOT BACK TO YOU, SIR.
ANYONE ELSE? WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? UM, WE SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY AND THEN THEY'RE ASKING FOR, UM, WAIVE THE SECOND READING CAUSE OF THE, CUZ OF THE FINANCING.
I WAS, I WAS SUGGESTING THAT WE, WE RECOMMENDED THE, THE WAIVING, THEY'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT.
OKAY, SO READ ON MONDAY VOTE AND THAT WAS WHAT IT'S THE, THE DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHAT THE PICTURES WE'VE SEEN TONIGHT.
IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT RICHARD WAS ASKING IS WHAT WOULD BE THE, WHAT RECOURSE DO WE HAVE, IF ANY, FROM A DETAILED PLAN, IF THE ZONING IS APPROVED FROM A DETAILED PLAN TO GET WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET? I, I, AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY IT.
I, I MEAN, I, LISTEN, I WANNA SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, I WANT TO UPHOLD WHERE I'M AT IN MY POSITION.
I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S COMPLETELY CRYSTAL CLEAR ON THAT.
HOWEVER, WITH MY POSITION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M GETTING WHAT I AGREED UPON.
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UM, ADDITIONALLY, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M GETTING THE DESIGN AND THE APPEAL THAT WE NEED IN THIS ENTERTAINMENT.I WAS GONNA SAY, ONCE THEY'RE BUILT, WE CAN'T TEAR 'EM DOWN.
AND, AND IF I'M GONNA, IF I'M GONNA THROW MYSELF OUT THERE AND, AND, AND APPROVE THIS, I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S THE BEST THAT WE CAN ADDITIONALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IF I REPRO APPROVE THIS REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE DETAILS ARE GONNA COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE GOT NOTHING.
WE CAN STOP THE CRAS, WE CAN STOP THE OTHER PIECES OF LEGISLATION TO COME THROUGH THERE THAT WOULD TOTALLY KILL THE PROJECT.
SO I I, THE DENSITY IS CONTROLLED, THE DENSITY AND THE PARCEL SEGMENTS ARE CONTROLLED BY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH IS IN PLACE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO, UM, IS YOU COULD, UM, AND I'LL, I'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, UM, THE DEVELOPER'S REP PROBABLY AS STILL TONIGHT.
UM, WHAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IS TO APPROVE THE REZONING AND, UM, PERHAPS MAYBE APPROVE THE REZONING REQUEST, UM, AT THE MEETING WAIVING THE SECOND READING, BUT NOT MAKING IT AN EMERGENCY.
AND THEN, UM, MOVING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO A SECOND READING.
AND THAT MIGHT, THAT DEMONSTRATES TO THE APPLICANT YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PLAN, BUT DISSATISFIED WITH OR, UH, THAT, THAT YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OF THE AGREEMENT AND THE ARRANGEMENT, BUT YOU'RE DISSATISFIED WITH, UH, THE PARTICULAR PLAN THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.
UH, AND WE CAN WORK TO MAYBE TRY AND FIND A WAY TO, UH, PROVIDE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT IS MORE IN LINE WITH YOUR EXPECTATIONS SO THAT THAT WAY WE'RE STILL FINDING A WAY TO CONTINUE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, UH, SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN STILL GET WHAT THEY NEED WHEN THEY NEED IT.
BUT WE'LL NEED TO HAVE A STAFF WILL NEED TO HAVE A, A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE BEST WAY FORWARD IS.
BUT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT COMES TO MIND, UM, DAVE, LEGALLY, I MEAN, IS THAT SO, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR AND WHAT RICHARD'S LOOKING FOR IS A LEGAL WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS ISN'T JUST SIGN SEAL DELIVERED AND NOW WE'RE, AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE DONE.
WELL, AND, AND, AND ADDITIONALLY TO THAT, MAYOR, IF WE SPLIT THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION, AND I I I GUESS THIS IS WHERE DAVE AND TONY WERE COMING INTO PLAY.
IF WE SPLIT THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION, IS THAT GONNA BE CONSIDERED AN AMENDMENT ON MONDAY, UH, TO DO THAT? UM, AND ADDITIONALLY THAT WOULD REQUIRE SIX VOTES AND NUT FIVE.
SO I GUESS PROCEDURALLY THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SOME QUESTIONS.
RIGHT? AND, AND I GET, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH RESOLUTIONS.
SO, BUT APPROVING THE REZONING DOESN'T CHANGE OR DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T OBLIGATE YOU TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED HERE.
A AND NO MATTER WHAT, EVERY PROJECT THAT HAS COME ACROSS NEEDS TO BE REZONED TO PLAN MIXED USE.
ANYWAY, P E P IS IS TOO RESTRICTIVE FOR, FOR WHAT THIS 40 ACRES IS.
AS LONG AS THERE'S NO LEGAL ISSUES WITH APPROVING THE REZONING WITHOUT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING I COULD, YEAH.
AGAIN, I'M NOT VOTING, BUT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF, BUT NO, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SH DO THAT.
SEPARATELY, DON UH, ACTUALLY BRIAN BROUGHT UP THE POINT I WAS GONNA MAKE AND, UH, UH, IF THE DEVELOPERS AGREEABLE TO THAT, IT WOULD ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD AND, UH, STILL ADDRESS THE CONCERNS WE HAVE.
BECAUSE IT WAS ADVERTISED AS A REZONING AND APPROVAL OF BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE OF DECOUPLING THE TWO CUZ THEY WERE BOTH ADVERTISED AS AS TWO ACTIONS.
AND IS THERE A PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED FOR A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL? YEP.
OKAY, SO COUNSEL COULD, SO THERE WOULD BE TWO TWO THAT'D BE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THIS.
FOR WELL, YOU COULD STILL HOLD THE HEARING.
THAT WOULD, AND THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF BOTH OF THEM AND THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THEM.
AND THEN YOU COULD TABLE THE MATTER, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT OR YOU COULD MOVE THE, THE MATTER, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO A, A SUBSEQUENT READING EFFECTIVELY CONTINUING THE DISCUSSION RELATIVE TO THE, TO THE PLANNING HEARING, OR EXCUSE ME, THE HEARING ON THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN UNTIL THERE'S A RESOLUTION ON, UM, ON A CONCEPT, ON A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN CONTENT THAT, THAT MEETS COUNCIL'S, UM, THAT MEETS COUNCIL'S DESIRE.
RICHARD, IS THAT WHAT WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? UH, MY ONLY THOUGHTS IS THE,
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UH, VOTES NEEDED TO GET THERE.UM, I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADVERTISED AS A REZONING BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IF WE TAKE THIS TO MONDAY AND WE SPLIT IT, UM, DOES THAT REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT OR CAN WE VOTE ON, ON THE BASIS OF JUST THE REZONING? AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT WITH TONY.
IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, MODIFYING THE LEGISLATION TO, UH, JUST SEPARATE THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN MM-HMM.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF DAVE FEELS ANY DIFFERENT ABOUT THAT.
I THINK WE ALL HAVE SOME HOMEWORK TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND MONDAY, BUT, ALL RIGHT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE KNOWN PIECE.
BECAUSE UH, I MEAN I'M, IT'S CALLED SPADE A SPADE.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE SI AND VOTE OF SIX VOTES AND FIVE VOTES.
BUT I'M WITH YOU ON THAT CUZ I, I FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY ABOUT WHAT I'VE SAID TONIGHT.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WITH THE OTHERS.
DO THEY HAVE ANY DIFFERENT COMMENTS THAN WHAT WE'VE EXPRESSED? I'M, I'M ON LINE WITH THAT THIS ISN'T WHAT WE AGREED UPON AND I, I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH THIS.
UM, I DO WANT IT TO BE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
I LIKE TO HEAR IT'S NICE HEARING THAT THE OTHERS WE'RE GETTING ALONG AND WE ALL SEE THIS, THIS SAME YEAH, I'M, I'M SAME.
I WAS LIKE, EH, I DON'T, NOT INTO HAVING MORE APARTMENTS, BUT THAT LOOKS NICE.
SO MRO I'VE ALREADY STATED MY, MY OPINION ON IT, BUT NO, I'M, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS ANYWAY.
UM, BUT I WILL WILL SAY THAT THE PREVIOUSLY, PREVIOUS THE RENDERINGS WERE, WERE, WAS, WAS LEAPS AND BOUNDS MORE ACCEPTABLE THAN THIS? YEAH.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO LET'S, UH, LET'S, WELL I'M NOT GONNA SAY WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE INFORMATION PRIOR TO MONDAY TO SEE HOW THIS SHAKES OUT.
AND MAYOR, WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE ULTIMATELY, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, IS STAFF, UM, IS WAS ASKING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TO WEAR THE SECONDARY AND THAT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR US.
AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IF WE COME INTO MONDAY AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE SOMETHING WE FIND ACCEPTABLE, WE PASS IT TO A THIRD READING.
AND IF WE HAVE TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING FOR ONE ITEM, UH, JUST SORRY TO GIVE PEOPLE MORE TIME THAN SO BE IT.
WELL THIS WOULD JUST BE THE FIRST READING ON MONDAY.
SO YOU, YOU WOULD BE PASSING TO A SECOND ON A THIRD.
UM, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, SPECIAL MEETING COULD BE DONE IF WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING TO MITIGATE THE, UH, I MEAN ESPECIALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT IS BEING HELD TO THEIR 45 DAY AGREEMENT, UH, THAT THIS COUNCIL APPROVED.
SO IT'S LARGELY GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON HOW FAST THE INFORMATION YOU'RE REQUESTING COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE.
UH, INTO HOW THAT FACTORS INTO AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT WHAT 36, 40, 42 BUSINESS HOURS GIVE OR TAKE, DEPENDING ON WHAT PEOPLE WORKS ON FRIDAY AND MONDAYS.
SO, WELL I I THINK THAT IF, UM, IF THE APPLICANT, LET ME ASK THIS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE NUMBER OF THE BUILDINGS NOR THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS.
THE OBJECTION IS THE LOOK OF THE BUILDINGS, THE RECORD.
I FEEL LIKE THAT WE WERE SHOWN PREVIOUSLY, THEY'RE NOT THE CONTEMPORARY URBAN.
SO THEY, AT FIRST I THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD PROBABLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA YOU MAYBE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TIME RENTING THOSE THAN THEY WOULD SOMETHING LOOK MORE URBAN.
CUZ I THINK IT'S THE TYPE OF, IT'S THE TYPE OF FEEL THAT YOU GET LIVING IN AN ENTERTAINMENT AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, IS ENTERTAINMENT WITH, YOU KNOW, BREWERIES THAT'S, THAT'S THERE THE IDEA OF MORE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ATTRACTING, YOU KNOW, MORE MILLENNIALS OR JUST I ON MODERN FIELD, IT'S ABOUT, I HAVE ALWAYS SAID AT LEAST MY ONLY MY OPINION ABOUT EXECUTIVE IS ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE.
WANNA LIVE IN AN AREA THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE THEY HAVE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT APARTMENTS LOOK LIKE.
YOU GUYS REMEMBER WHEN, WHEN WE FIRST DID THE, UM, THE FLAGS UP ON THE POLES, THE HEBREW HEIGHTS FLAGS ON THE POLES, WE GOT MORE POSITIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT FLAGS ON POLES, ABOUT HEBREW HEIGHTS AND MORE POSITIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THE FAKE BRICKS IN THE INTERSECTIONS THAN WE HAVE PROBABLY ANYTHING ELSE.
AND IT'S BECAUSE THAT LOOK AND THAT FEEL GAVE PEOPLE A SENSE OF PRIDE IN THE SPACE THEY WERE IN, THE EXPERIENCE THEY HAD.
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WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHAT I GOT EXCITED ABOUT.LOOKING AT THAT OTHER, I MEAN, HELL, I'M 51 YEARS OLD, MY WIFE WOULD LET ME, I'D, I'D SELL OUR HOUSE AND MOVE INTO SOME, INTO ONE OF THOSE UNITS THAT WE SAW.
SO, SO IF IT, IF IT MATTERS, PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT SOLD ON, ON THESE DESIGNS EITHER.
UM, WHAT I HAD, WHAT I HAD, UH, EXPRESSED TO PLANNING COMMISSION WAS THAT WHAT WE WERE APPROVING WAS THE ENTITLEMENTS FOR THE ZONING AS WELL AS THE DENSITY AND THE ACCESS PLAN.
UM, WE NEED, WE WOULD COME BACK FURTHER WITH, I CALLED IT A SUPER DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE, UM, THEY WEREN'T, I DON'T THINK THEY FELL IN LOVE WITH THIS EITHER.
UH, SO, UM, IF, WELL AARON, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THEY GET TO SEE IT AGAIN.
WE DON'T, WELL MY POINT IS THAT I THINK THAT WE CAN CHANGE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE, THE LAYOUT OF THIS SITE DURING THE, DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AS LONG AS WE DON'T CHANGE, WE WON'T GO ABOVE THE DENSITY, WE DON'T CHANGE THE ACCESS POINTS, UH, ONTO EXECUTIVE.
UM, AND AND THAT'S REALLY ABOUT IT.
THAT THAT'S AS MUCH AS, AS WE REALLY GOT THROUGH AS PART CUZ THAT WAS THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WAS PRESENTED, UH, IN THIS APPLICATION.
SO Y SO TO MY COMMENTS ABOUT IT'S NOT THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, IT'S NOT THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDINGS THAT COUNCIL HAS CONCERNS WITH BA AND THIS CON IN THIS CONCEPTUAL BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT'S THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING.
BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE DENSITY DISCUSSION, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYBODY THAT WAS AGAINST A REAL HIGHER NUMBER OF DENSITY BECAUSE OF THE LOOK OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE WERE SHOWN IN THE BACK.
AND THE DENSITY IS IN THE DENSITY IS ALSO CONTROLLED BY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE FROM, I I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF WAYS TO KEEP THIS ADVANCING.
SO IF THE DEVELOPER IS HERE ON MONDAY AND SAYS, HEY, I'VE WATCHED THE TAPE, I'VE TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER, I'VE TALKED TO THE PLANNER, UM, WE HEARD WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND THEY PULL OUT A RENDERING OF SOMETHING THAT DOES MATCH IT AND YOU NOD AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S WILLING TO, TO BUILD RIGHT.
THAT OR SOMETHING SIMILAR, RIGHT? SOMETHING LIKE, OR SIMILAR TO THIS HAS TO BE APPROVED AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND HE NODS HIS HEAD AND YOU NOD YOUR HEADS AND THAT GETS MOVED ON TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RIGHT? THAT'S THAT VISUAL REPRESENTATION DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU WANT IN THIS CHAMBER TO KEEP THIS THING MOVING FORWARD.
SO TO, YOU KNOW, THE POINT WE'VE ALL MADE MONDAYS AROUND THE CORNER, DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, COME IN WITH A WHOLE NEW RENDERING OF THIS BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO I, SO LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF WAYS THAT WHEN I'M, I'M TALKING TO THE, TO THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE ADDRESS THE COUNCIL'S CONCERNS IN AN EXPEDITED WAY? HOW CAN WE DO THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO YOUR SATISFACTION? SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
YEAH, I I MEAN, I MEAN THE RENDERING ITSELF WHERE ALL THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE GO IS STILL THE SAME.
UM, WHAT THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE LOOK LIKE.
UM, LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN NOW AND MONDAY.
UH, THAT'S HOW WE'LL THAT'S ALL PROCEED AND HOPEFULLY WE'VE GOT AT LEAST ENOUGH INFORMATION.
I, BRIAN, I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID.
THEY COME, WE ACKNOWLEDGE YES, IT'S NOT SET IN STONE YET, BUT THEY NOW KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT'S GONNA GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION CLEAR.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GONNA BE MADE AWARE THROUGH AARON, WHAT, WHAT COUNSEL HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT PLANNING COMMISSION HOPEFULLY WILL AGREE IF THEY HAVEN'T, IF THEY'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT BOARD THIS EITHER, THEN WE MAY GET, WE MAY GET A BETTER PRODUCT IN THE END.
ANYTHING ELSE ONE LAST TIME BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY, NEXT
[ Case RZ 23-09 - STP Holdings, LLC - Rezoning - 6740 Brandt Pike]
ITEM THREE N, CASE RZ 23 DASH OH NINE, WHICH IS STP HOLDINGS LLC FOR REZONING AT 67 40 BRENT PIKE.YEAH, SO THIS IS A REZONING OF A VACANT OFFICE BUILDING.
IT'S ON, UH, UM, EXCUSE ME, BRT PIKE.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED, OH, UH, OFFICE ONE, AS IS THE PRI UH, OH ONE OFFICE.
UH, AS IS THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH.
UM, THE BUILDING IS IN GOOD CONDITION.
LIKE I SAID, THE LAST TENANT WAS BANE STAFFING.
THE APPLICANT IS PLANNING TO DO MINOR SITE AND BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS.
NO SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY.
UM, THEY'RE RE LOOKING TO REZONE TO B ONE IN ORDER TO OPERATE A, A LAUNDROMAT.
UM, THIS IS CLOSE PROXIMITY TO DENSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, SO IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD LOCATION.
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UM, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, AS FAR AS THE REZONING ANALYSIS, THIS, THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONSIDERS THIS THE SOUTH TOWN PATTERN AREA.AND ONE OF THE KEY GOALS IS TO FOCUS ON RENOVATION, INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND INCREMENTAL BROADENING OF THE USES AND HOUSING TYPES.
UM, STAFF FEELS THAT REZONING FROM OH ONE TO B ONE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THERE'S LESS AND LESS DEMAND FOR OFFICE SPACE THAT TRENDS LIKELY TO CONTINUE.
UH, ZONING CHANGE WILL BROADEN THE POTENTIAL USES OF THIS EXISTING BUILDING.
WILL SAY THAT EVERY TIME I'VE TA SPOKEN WITH THE, UH, BROKER FOR THIS PROPERTY, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A RETAIL USE THAT IS, UH, THAT HAVE, THEY'VE COME FORWARD WITH.
UM, THE LANDS OF SOUTH ARE ALREADY ZONED B ONE
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, UM, COMP THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED FIVE TO ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT COUNCIL MOVE THIS ITEM TO A FIRST READING AND THEN SUBSEQUENT APPROVAL AT THE NEXT MEETINGS.
QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.
MAYOR, I'M, I, I'M ALL ABOUT BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, I'M JUST, I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF A LAUNDROMAT GOING IN THIS BUILDING.
UM, I BELIEVE LAUNDROMATS HAVE A PURPOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE NEEDED IN CERTAIN AREAS.
UM, I REALLY LIKE TO KEEP THAT, THAT OFFICE THAT, UM, THAT KIND OF FEEL ALONG THAT CORRIDOR THERE.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, O'REILLY'S IS RIGHT THERE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, THAT'S JUST, UH, THAT'S REALLY TOUGH AND, AND, AND HAVING, UM, SEEN THAT BUILDING DR.
UH, AND DROVE THROUGH THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF, UH, THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING THAT FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING, PAT'S NOT GONNA BE A HUGE LAUNDROMAT.
SO I I HAS ANYBODY, I MEAN, ACROSS THE STREET IS A LAUNDROMAT YEAH.
DOWN THE STREET A LITTLE BIT ACROSS YEAH, IT'S RIGHT, IT'S RIGHT BY DOMINANCE.
SO I MEAN, I MEAN, IF WE, IS THERE ANY STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT THAT LAUNDROMAT IS SO BUSY THAT THEY NEED THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A THEN JUST A FEW FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, THE THE NEW SOAP BOX THAT JUST GOT TOTALLY REVAMPED, UH, THAT USED TO BE THE OLD, UH, UM, TREASURE, UM, UH, FLEET MARKET TREASURE.
YEAH, THAT IS AN AMAZING, UM, LAUNDRYMAT, I WILL TELL YOU THAT ME AND MY FAMILY GO THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A KING SIZE, UM, COMFORTER THAT DOES NOT WORK WELL IN OUR BRAND NEW LG WASHER.
SO WE TAKE IT DOWN THERE AND THAT PLACE IS BEAUTIFUL.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT ALWAYS PACKED EITHER.
WELL, I WAS GONNA YEAH, NO, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
I WAS GONNA SAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A LAUNDROMAT RIGHT HERE AND THEY FOUND THAT IT WASN'T GONNA BE VIABLE JUST RIGHT HERE.
AND THAT WAS IN FRONT OF ALL THE APARTMENTS, HOODS, AND APARTMENTS.
SO I'M SITTING HERE GOING, WHY ARE WE GETTING ANOTHER LAUNDROMAT THERE? AND THEN I GO BACK TO THE BURGESS AND E THING, CAR WASHES AND LAUNDROMATS ARE THE BIG THING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE'RE HEADING RIGHT BACK IN THAT DIRECTION.
REGARDING THE WATER USAGE, WHAT THE APPLICANT SAID AT PLANNING COMMISSION, CUZ THIS CAME UP, WAS THAT THE MACHINES THAT THEY HAVE, THAT THEY'VE BOUGHT, UM, THE, UH, ELECTROLUX, UH, ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE WATER, UH, EFFICIENT THAN ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL CONSUMER GRADE, UM, MACHINES.
SO, UM, THEY, THEY'RE CONSCIOUS OF THAT.
UM, THEY ALSO MENTIONED THAT THEIR MAIN CUSTOMERS ARE, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE, ARE LAUNDERING, BEDDING, OR THOSE BIG OVERSIZED LOADS.
UM, AND NOT NECESSARILY YOUR, YOUR JUST DAY-TO-DAY PERSON.
WELL, AND, AND THE INTERESTING PART ABOUT THAT IS TOO, MY, UH, MY MOTHER WHO I MOVED INTO THE COMMUNITY SEVERAL YEARS BACK, UM, I THINK LITERALLY SHE COULD WALK TO THIS FACILITY.
THAT'S HOW CLOSE IT IS TO HER APARTMENT RIGHT THERE.
HOWEVER, AT THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX IS WHAT A LAUNDRY FACILITY.
UM, SO I I THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I I'M A BIT TORN ON THIS, AARON.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT I THINK AS THIS CONTIN, IF THIS STAYS OH ONE, MY GUESS IS IT'LL STAY VACANT FOR A WHILE.
AND THAT'S THE OTHER PART THAT HAS ME TWISTED BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IT, SOMEBODY HELPED ME OUT THE ORIGIN.
IT WAS A SMALL CREDIT UNION AT ONE TIME.
IT WAS A, IT WAS A PROVIDE BANK, PROMINENT BANK, OKAY.
I CAN NAME ALL THE NAMES THAT WENT IN THERE,
AND, AND B ONE IS OUR LEAST INTENSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHY I RECOMMENDED THAT, UM, THEY SEEK A B ONE, UH, REZONING.
AND THIS IS GOING FOR, UH, UH, I ASSUME A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY WITH THE REST OF 'EM? CORRECT.
SO I GOT, I GOT SOME TIME TO CHEW ON THIS ONE.
UM, IF, IF YOU WANT TO SEE THEIR OTHER FACILITY, I FORGET THE NAME OF IT, BUT THEY ARE, WELL, I KNOW THE BREWERY, UH, THEY ARE NEXT TO, UH, NOWHERE IN PARTICULAR.
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NEXT TO IT.IT'S ON, UM, WILMINGTON PIKE AND KETTERING.
UM, SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT HOW THEIR CURRENT FACILITY IS OPERATING, I, I LIKE OPERATIONAL BUSINESSES AND I DON'T LIKE VACANT BUSINESSES, SO I GET THAT.
SO JUST ONE LAST TIME, THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THE ORIGINAL BUILDING STRUCTURE.
THEY'RE GONNA JUST PUT IN SOME WASHING MACHINES AND SOME DRYERS.
UM, WHAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO IS THERE'S SOME MISSING, UM, PARKING LOT TREES THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED, BUT OTHERWISE THERE'S VERY LITTLE, I MEAN, THE BUILDING'S IN GOOD CONDITION MM-HMM.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE THEY JUST HAVE TO UPGRADE THE WA I THINK THE WATER SERVICE, UH, AND UH, RESTROOMS AND RESTROOMS OFFICE TAKE OUT THE TELLER SPACE.
UM, UM, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL MOSTLY CREDIT CARD, UH, RUN, WIFI ENABLED, ALL THAT.
SO THEY HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL NEED AN ORDER.
THE, YOU KNOW, THE UH, BUT THIS PAGE, 24 HOUR OPERATION OR JUST, YOU KNOW, THE HOURS DOES THE OTHER YEAH, HE SAID IT WOULD BE, UM, LIKE 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN RUNNING A, UH, A 24 HOUR FACILITY.
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, WELL WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY.
[ Liquor Permit #65215090695 - Sheetz - 7550 Old Troy Pike]
OH LIQUOR PERMIT NUMBER 6 5 2 1 5 0 9 0 6 9 5 4 SHEETS.THIS IS A LIQUOR PERMIT FOR THE, UH, NEW SHEETS HERE AT THE CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE AND
UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF C1 C TWO AND D ONE LIQUOR PERMITS, SO NO D FIVE OR D SIX.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE POLICE AND FIRE DIVISIONS WITHOUT OBJECTION.
AND SO WITH COUNSEL'S PERMISSION, WE'D LIKE TO PLACE THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY.
TONY, WHAT'S D ONE PROVIDE THAT C1 C TWO DOES NOT LEAVES PROBABLY A BETTER REASON
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE BEING NEEDED.
IT'S ALL CARRY UP, ISN'T IT? THE D ONE? WHAT'S D ONE PROVIDE THAT C1 C TWO DOES NOT.
UH, SO A D ONE, I MEAN, I HAVE TO GO INTO THE STATUTE TO TELL YOU EXACTLY, BUT I MEAN, IN ESSENCE, D ONE IS MORE OF A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT TYPE, WHEREAS C1 IS LIKE YOUR TYPICAL CONVENIENCE STORE, RIGHT.
AS I UNDERSTAND THAT D'S IN GENERAL ARE, YOU CAN DRINK ON PREMISE LIKE A RESTAURANT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND JUST A GAS STATION, AND I COULD BE, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT A D ONE IS TYPICALLY BEER AND WINE ONLY, SO IT DOESN'T ALLOW INTOXICATING LIQUOR AND I MEAN, YOU GET NUANCES ONCE YOU GO INTO THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES OF D I I DON'T THINK I WANT PEOPLE DRINKING ALCOHOL AT ANY GAS STATION BEFORE THEY ROLL OUT.
AND NO DIFFERENT THAN THE SHOTS UP ON THE CORNER.
I DON'T WANT ANYBODY THROWING BACK A COUPLE OF, COUPLE OF TALL BOYS AND ROLLING OUT EITHER.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT, NOT, I MEAN IT'S SOME OF THE OTHER GAS STATIONS THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH, UM, THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, SURRENDERED THE D LICENSE AND I BELIEVE THEY'VE GONE TO THE C LICENSE.
I THINK C WOULD BE ALL THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY.
I'M, I'M CURIOUS, I HAVE A D ONE ALLOWS THE RESTAURANT OR NIGHTCLUB TO ONLY SELL BEER, BUT IT CAN BE DRANK ON PREMISE.
REMEMBER IT'S A, IT'S A RESTAURANT THAT PURVEYS GAS, THAT'S THEIR NICHE.
SO LIKE SOME GAS STATIONS SELL A, WHAT'S THE JUG TO GO GROWERS? WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED A D ONE GROWLER TO GO SAYS THE D ONE.
THE PERMIT ALSO REGULATES WHERE YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE ALLOWED TO CONSUME THE BEER.
YOU CAN DRINK ON PREMISE, EITHER ON PREMISE OR THEY'RE ALLOWED TO REMOVE, TAKE THE BEER BASICALLY FROM WHERE THEY CAN TAKE IT WITH THEM.
TAKE THE GROWLER TO GO YOUR C IS THAT WHAT THAT'S CARRY, CARRY OUT.
SEE IS, BUT DOES THE GROWLER FALL UNDER D IS MY QUESTION.
BUT IF IT'S PURELY CARRIED OUT, I DON'T KNOW.
WOULD IT BE A, THE D ONE THOUGH LOOKS LIKE BASED ON THIS, THAT IT WOULD BE BEER ONLY.
IT COULD BE A QUOTA ISSUE AS WELL.
ONLY BEER CEASED ON THIS, SAY A D ONE WOULD BE ONLY BEER ON SITE, NOT LIQUOR.
THE OTHER PIECE TO THIS IS WE'RE NOT APPROVING THIS.
WE ONLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO OBJECT AND REQUEST A HEARING TO PREVENT IT FROM GETTING APPROVED.
SO, UM, THAT'S GENERALLY TO DO.
SO YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME GROUNDS FOR YEAH.
SO THIS ALL GOES BACK TO THE HARD LIQUOR CONTROL ANYWAY, RIGHT? THAT'S IT.
IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THEY JUST, I LIKE SHEETS AND THEY CALL A RESTAURANT ALL THEY WANT, BUT IT'S A GAS STATION AND I LIKE SHEETS.
I THINK I OBJECT TO D I DO TOO.
I MEAN, JUST IF WE'RE TAKING THAT,
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I'M NOT TAKING MY FAMILY TO SIT DOWN AND DINE INSIDE OF SHEETSI DON'T, AND AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR, IT DOESN'T APPEAR BASED ON WHAT'S AVAILABLE THAT THEY SELL IN THE STORE FOR CONSUMPTION.
SO WHY WOULD THEY NEED THAT? WE'RE GONNA NEED, I'M GONNA NEED MORE CARRY IT'S CARRY OUT.
IT, IT, THERE MIGHT NOT BE ANY C LICENSE AVAILABLE.
THIS MIGHT BE THE NEXT BEST ALTERNATIVE BASED ON THE AVAILABILITY OF LICENSES.
AS I, I ONLY ASK BECAUSE TONY HAD MENTIONED ALL THREE C ONE, C TWO, AND D, THAT'S WHAT'S ON ON THE APPLICATION.
YOU CAN TRY TO GATHER SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEFORE MONDAY.
UM, JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR ABILITY HAVE A LEGAL STANDING TO MAKE A A SERIOUS OBJECTION IS A UPHILL BATTLE.
I MEAN WE HAD IN PREVIOUS ESTABLISHMENTS WERE AS, YOU KNOW, UH, SERIOUS OFFENSES AND SERIOUS ISSUES WITH THEIR COMPLIANCE WITH THE LIQUOR LAWS AND WERE NOT ABLE TO SUSTAIN A UNIT, AN OBJECTION.
WELL, TONY, WOULD I BE CORRECT IN STATING THAT WE CAN MAKE THE OBJECTION AND WE'LL COME UP WITH THE LEGAL GROUNDS, UH, LATER ON AS NEEDED? IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HEARING LIKE WITHIN 10 DAYS.
WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IF WE CHOOSE TO OBJECT IS TO REQUEST A HEARING.
IF THEY ALWAYS SAY YES, I WONDER WHY WE EVEN HAVE TO, WELL, AT THE POINT OF EVEN DOING THIS, IF THEY ALWAYS AGREE WITH EVERYTHING, I MEAN, IF THERE WAS EVER CODE, IF THERE WAS EVER A CASE, D FIVE AND A GAS STATION WAS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
SO THE HIGHER ADVISED CODE ALLOWS THE MUNICIPALITY TO MAKE OBJECTIONS AND REQUEST THE HEARING AND THE LIQUOR CONTROL SAYS YEP.
I WAS GONNA SAY, MAYOR, THIS MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US, UH, UM, NOT TO PUT MORE WORK ON THE STAFF OR TONY, BUT UM, IF IT IS A CASE OF, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE LIQUOR PERMITS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH COMING OUR WAY WITH BUSINESSES THAT MAY BE REQUESTING LIQUOR PERMITS, I THINK IT MAY BE PRUDENT FOR THIS COUNCIL TO KNOW, UH, WHAT WE HAVE LEFT AVAILABLE IN THIS COMMUNITY TO GIVE WHAT'S THE INVENTORY? YEAH.
BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL, WE HAVE, UH, UH, APPROVED, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF LIQUOR NOTES HERE LATELY LAST YEAR.
NOT THAT I DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT HOWEVER, UM, I THINK IT MIGHT BE PROOF TO KNOW WE, AND WE SPECIFICALLY HAVE LIQUOR LICENSES FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, UHHUH
SO, WELL, IT'D BE REALLY BAD IF WE RUN OUT A LIQUOR LICENSE AND WE'RE WANTING AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
I, I DON'T THINK THE HIGH DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE TO MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR A PERMIT THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
BUT I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.
WELL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE AN APPLICATION PENDING, SO, AND THAT'S, YOU GO INTO THE QUEUE.
SO A LOT OF TIMES WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS IF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, A PIZZA JOINT IS CLOSING AND THEY HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE, YOU MAY RUN IN AND FILE YOUR APPLICATION EVEN THOUGH THE QUOTA IS SHOWING IS ZERO.
AND THEN IF CREATIVITY IS, YOU KNOW, DO YOU TRY TO BROKER SOME ASSETS SALE BUT YOUR APPLICATION AND GO TO THE PIZZA JOINT AND SAY, I WANT TO BUY THAT FROM YOU AND THEN CHANGE THE NAME AFTERWARDS TOO.
SO I MEAN THAT'S A LOT OF TIMES HOW YOU SEE THAT, BUT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON AT ALL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE QUOTAS, YOU'LL SEE ZERO FOR THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES AND IT'LL SHOW, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE, SIX PENDING APPLICATIONS AND EVERYONE'S JUST STANDING ONLINE WAITING FOR LICENSES TO BE SURRENDERED.
FOUR POPULATION, I MEAN, NOT TO GO DOWN TOO FAR ON LIQUOR LICENSE, IT'S OLD, BUT THE QUOTAS ARE BASED UPON THE POPULATION OF THE COMMUNITIES.
AND SO IF YOU'RE IN A HIGH GROWTH COMMUNITY, YOUR QUOTA IS MAYBE EXPANDING FASTER THAN WHAT, UM, THE DIVISION KNOWS ABOUT.
SO THERE'S SOME MECHANISM ALSO, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE UM, ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, UM, IS ACTUALLY BUILT ON THAT RESIDENTIAL QUOTA WHERE SOME COMMUNITIES CAN ACTUALLY HAVE TWO WHERE YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, SOME COMMUNITIES MAY ONLY BE ABLE TO THE AVAILABILITY OF ONE AND IT DEPENDS ON THAT AREA, THAT RADIUS OF THE LIQUOR OF IT'S AVAILABLE IN THE DISTRICT.
SO FOR COMMUNITY ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, IT'S ACTUALLY BASED UPON AN EIGHT GRADE WITHIN THE DISTRICT ITSELF? CORRECT.
SO YOU CAN GET UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 15 IN ANY DISTRICT.
SO IF YOU HAVE A THOUSAND ACRE DISTRICT, GET 15 MM-HMM.
WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND OUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE MONDAY? OKAY, IT
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IS 8 42 AND I THINK THAT MEANS WE'RE DONE.